Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 19 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I appreciate all of you hanging out with us. It
is the Wednesday before the official start of March Madness.
I'll give you a little bit of a teaser here.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I am going to be trying to follow the scores
on Thursday and Friday of all the games that are
going to be going on. Buck is going to have
no idea, but he has got his bracket done. I
will finish my bracket today and it will be posted
at Clay and Buck and there is a fabulous steak
dinner on the line between which of us will be.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Better at picking games? Putting my money where my mouth
is on this one. My bracketology may surprise some of
you very much.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
So, okay, we got a lot that's going on happening
in real time here. Trump has just completed a phone
call with Zolensky. He talked to Putin yesterday and he
just put out a message saying there will be more
details on his hour long phone call that will soon
be up. As we certainly are hoping that we're going

(01:02):
to get a ceasefire and working towards peace in Europe.
We will update you on exactly what happened there positive
news SpaceX Elon Musk brought back our two astronauts that
had been stranded for eight months.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
We've talked about this, Buck, I don't know how you
think you would do with this. I would lose my mind.
There are a few things that I could not do.
I could not get and I bet we have a
bunch of guys and gals who have done this. I
could not get on a submarine and go under the
water for like six months. I would go completely bonkers

(01:40):
and insane.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
They have to do much too psychological testing because of that,
and obviously people think they're not claustrophobic until they're put
in a situation where claustrophobia is a real problem. I
would lose it. I mean, if you told me, hey,
you're going to go underwater for a couple of hours,
I think I could do it. If you told me
for months, I would lose my mind. I give credit

(02:01):
to these astronauts. They thought they were going to space
for eight days, and instead they ended up in space
for eight months. Whatever you do.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Can you imagine if you thought you were going somewhere
for eight days and you had to stay for eight months.
I think even on Earth many people would lose it
over a situation such as that. The fact that we
have to rely on Elon Musk to save our astronauts
because he's better at sending people to space now and

(02:32):
sending rocket ships to space than NASA is both an
incredible endorsement of Elon and an absolute indictment of our
federal tax dollars and what they have done. He caught
up with NASA after they had roughly a seventy year
head start on him, and he's now better at that.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
If you hate Elon all of a sudden, you're a loser. Yeah.
I don't know how to put it better than that.
This guy is incredible, and what he is trying to
do in the government. It's not like he showed up
and stuck, you know, stuck himself in the middle of
the abortion debate or or even the climate change debate,
because he's actually pretty pro climate change movement, right right.

(03:11):
He's just trying to help fix the government, which is
a mess, and he's the best CEO on the planet,
and he's better, as you've said, sending rockets than NASA
or any sovereign government. On the planet keeping him. He's
better than China, he's better than Russia. And people are
burning Tesla's in protest. This has really been catching up this,
there's more and more of this.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Let us talk about this, because I thought were gonna
talk about something else, but but I'm really fired up
about this too.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And I know you talked about it with yesterday with
Will Caine. I was just on Fox News talking about it.
You sent me because I I don't know, I'm not
we talked about yesterday. You and I are not car guys, right,
there are people out there that are. So we are
catching some flat for this. By the way, apparently you
and I like to get our hair done in the
back seat, maybe get our nails filed.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
You.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, I don't. I'm not a car guy.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
But I went downstairs yesterday after you sent me the
Tesla Suv prices or whatever you texted to me, and
I went down and talked to my wife because she's
got a big Escalade suv, as many moms do. Because
we've got three boys that take up a lot of
space and all their gear and all their friends and

(04:18):
everything else. So but that car has been it's got
over one hundred thousand miles on it. So we've been
talking about getting a new car. One of our boys
going to go off to college next year, so we've got,
you know, some life changes going on. And I said,
have you thought about this Tesla a SUV? And so
we're going to go look at the Tesla as UV

(04:38):
and I'm inclined to buy a Tesla. Buck, fortunate to
have the means to be able to buy a car
not have to worry about about the cost side.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I understand that is not true forever. Can we just
throw out there you can get incredible deals on Tesla's
right now, That's what you told.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Me, Like, I was kind of blown away by how
affordable they are. But I want to send a men
message that is the opposite of the I'm going to
key this vehicle. I'm going to light it on fire,
the domestic terrorism that we are seeing everywhere, whatever you
think about Elon to your point, Buck, he's trying to
save every taxpayer money by locating and eliminating waste and

(05:17):
fraud in our federal government. Everyone, this just hit you
and I knew this, but the Twitter X stock is
now back to the same price that Elon bought it
at for both debt purposes and also individual shareholder investments.
The SpaceX is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. He's

(05:39):
Tesla stock is being attacked, and we'll play some audio
with you for you of that, which I think, frankly
is despicable. It's one of the most successful American corporations in.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
The history of the world. I don't know why you
would be trying to destroy it when it is like
if you're a climate change zealot, which all these people
claim to be, there's i'r reually no one who's done
more to try to fight the impact of gas powered
vehicles than Elon in the history of the world. And
so all of this is crazy, and I'm inclined Buck

(06:11):
to go buy a Tesla to show support for Elon
across the board and stand up against the fire bombings
and the terror attacks basically that I believe are occurring
against Tesla. Well, this is very important, and we are
going to talk about the judicial coup here momentarily. Just
you know, we're very on this plan. I've been going
back and forth this morning on it. We know what

(06:32):
a problem. This is the biggest challenge Trump faces but
let's finish this discussion here about Tesla, because I think
this really does matter a lot. We used to talk
clay under the Biden administration about the parallel economy. Really
now we should just be talking about the patriotic economy. Yeah,
we have now major companies, major corporations. I can't list

(06:52):
them all right now, but you know what they are
that have either been built aligned with freedom and pro
American values, or in some cases have realigned themselves with
pro American values and freedom. And we all make choices
every day. And this is not a Crockett coffee ad,
but it should be, or it could be, because you should.

(07:12):
I mean, we're putting our money where our mouth is
on us. We're not just you know, speaking into the
ether and not having anything. And people say, well, why
are starting coffee. That's just to get the business going.
Crockett is going to be a bigger business with a
whole range of products and things, but it's aligned with
your values, it supports causes you care about. Obviously, Tesla's
a you know, a trillion dollar company, so it's on

(07:33):
a much much bigger scale. The point here, though, is
I think that we all should remember that we used
to on the right. And you know, Clay, I've been
doing this now for fifteen years and talking about how
we're getting kicked in the face by Google, We're getting
kicked in the face by Corporate America, We're constantly being
mistreated by all these companies. Now the shift has happened,

(07:54):
and now you can all decide every day when you can.
I know it's not always a choice. I know some
of you are going to come at me for still
subscribing to Netflix, and I should probably rethink that. But
when you have the option to support a company that
supports your values, like car companies, I mean, I'm talking
about the big ticket items now, not just the everyday consumables.

(08:17):
Do you step up and do you make the decision
or not? Now I know some of you don't like
electric cars, That's fine. I'm just saying there are opportunities now.
Carrie and I are thinking about you know, we've had
a couple of issues here with the internet in South Florida.
As you remember some of you saw I went into
the actually was power, not even electricity or not even internet,
but I was in the dark during the show. Just

(08:37):
everything went off here. But we thought about getting a starlink,
and carry said to me, you know what I think
is a good idea getting a starlink. And I said
to her, yeah, And I want to support Elon's companies
because Elon is supporting saving the America that we all
want to live in. He's not the only one. All
the sponsors on this show. And again, I know this
sounds like I'm doing the commercial, but it's not. They
all stand with your values. So every time you buy

(09:00):
with them, yeah, you're getting a good product. Of course,
we have a lot of people that want to partner
with us, and we just have no interest in like
we won't take money from certain people. We've turned down
more business than we've taken overall. The point here is
we see that there are opportunities to align your economic
activity with your beliefs in the country that you want
to live in. And the other side has known this

(09:22):
for a long time, and the other side acts out
and that's why they're burning Tesla's like Luna. And it's
not just the burning Tesla's. You have mainstream clay like
MSNBC to whatever degree that's mainstream anchors who are elated
that Tesla's stock is down substantially. If you care about
climate change, if you care about the environment, if you

(09:42):
care about a great American is there a car that
is more American made than Tesla? I don't think so.
I don't think so. And so if you care about
any of those things, why are you praising the By
the way, it's a downturn in the stock I would
never bet against Elon. I'm just gonna say that. But
did you see what I mean is, yeah, this is
a moment of choosing for everybody. So I don't think
and I think to your point. By the way, Clay

(10:03):
for your you got a seventeen year old, right, you've
got a seventeen year We're close friends with the neighbors.
They've got a seventeen year old boy. They just got
him at Tesla. He loves that car, and they love
that car. It's super safe, it's aligned with their values,
and it can even drive him to school. That's what
we're thinking about, because any of you who have ever
been a teenage boy, teenage boys are the biggest morons

(10:25):
on the planet everyone out there.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
If you raised one, if you have been one at
any point in time, teenage boys make irrational, stupid, decisions
more than any I really believe this that are dangerous.
Teenage girls also do all sorts of stupid things, I'm sure,
but teenage boys actually do things that are more physically
dangerous typically than teenage girls. Cars, like, I'm worried about

(10:51):
He's got a driver's license, but I'm worried about him
as you worry if you have a teenage driver. Anybody does.
A Tesla feels like to me these safest vehicles that
a young teenage driver could be behind the wheel of.
And look, I understand, I mean, a car is a
big purchase decision, but look at what they're doing. And

(11:13):
your point, I think is a good one, buck, because
there are some things that are super third rail controversial.
If Elon was like, Hey, I'm going to tell you
I believe that we should have partial birth abortions, and
I'm just going to dive directly into something like that,
I can understande that heat, you get that heat, I understand,
But hey, I'm all he's done is try to eliminate

(11:34):
wasting fraud in the government. And remember he voted for
Joe Biden in twenty twenty against Trump. He voted for
Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, the idea that this is
somehow a far right ideologue.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
He is just doing. He has woken up. I really
believe this and recognize that America is on a perilous path.
If we have a thirty six trillion dollar deficit. We
have to figure out a way to balance the federal budget,
and if we don't, they are going to be incredibly
profound consequences for the most important country in the world

(12:09):
that is this one. He is legitimately and truly working
day in and down. I don't agree with the elan
and everything. To be clear, like, there's a lot that
I could sit here with and say, you know, I
don't necessarily see it that way. But also he is
the greatest and most most impressive current CEO living at
a time when companies that he is he has built

(12:29):
from effectively nothing, have changed the world we live in.
They are changing. There is a space, a space spaced
economy now that did not exist before. Okay, outer space
is now part of economic activity in a way that
was not. He's doing all these things, Clay. What he
is trying to accomplish, if he is successful, benefits every
single American. And I would argue because of the reverberations

(12:53):
of the American economy globally really benefits the whole planet. Okay,
so these it's not just the Manx landing cars on fire.
That's the you know, that's the left wing vanguard, that's
the you know, they're lunatics. They've always been lunatics. But
the fact that the mainstream Democrat party has now turned
anti Elon just goes to show you they'd rather watch

(13:15):
us all burned down than allow somebody who likes President
Trump to do great things for all of us. And
that's like a psychosis. It truly, there's something wrong with
these people. If I swear to you, if Elon is
trying to do this for Joe Biden, we'd be sitting
here being like, look, Biden's an imbecile. I don't like it,
you know, But what Elon's doing is pretty good, you

(13:36):
know what I mean. Like, I'm telling you, if he
was truly trying to cut fat and wait, but the
Democrats would never allow that. That's the truth. I agree.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And this is going to be, by the way, a
story that is going to continue to propel as we
move forward. And uh, look, I think all of you
out there, we've been saying it for a long time.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
We build businesses based on it. You should align your
purchasing decisions with things that you believe are good for
the country. Right, And maybe at some point the whole
concept of a parallel economy, Buck will be unnecessary because
every company will just say, hey, I want to serve
everybody across the entire political spectrum. Evenly we're getting a

(14:18):
little bit more of that, but we're not there yet.
And Elon's under attack. And I think if you have
the ability and the uh and the and the opportunity,
I would just look at a Tesla. I really would, Yeah,
And they're They're phenomenal in a lot of ways. And
by the way, we are not We are not sponsored
by Tesla. Get anybody, I really zero, Yes, I would

(14:38):
take I would take Tesla money from Uncle Elon and sell.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
You would be very happy to be Clay and Buck
brought to you by Tesla. We've never had a car
ad on the whole company in four years, so it's
not like we've been you know, like nobody's come and
try to buy to buy car Ads that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
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Speaker 1 (16:28):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Okay, let's
dive into this, Buck and I'm going to try to
talk as both the lawyer and someone who is unhappy
with what's going on, which is, by the way, for
lawyers not necessarily an uncommon perspective to find yourself in.
So we have talked about what the Trump resistance two
point oh was going to look like compared to the

(16:51):
Trump resistance one point oh.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Truck, and I want to see if you agree with
this overall thesis, Buck, Trump resistance one point oh was
actually prior merely driven by the Democrat Party. They all
lined up their media allies in the legacy media.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
They put Democracy dies in darkness at the top of
the Washington Post. They laid out a direct attack. They
tried to argue Russia collusion. They had everybody moving in
the same direction, the legacy media and the Democrat Party.
There now is a void, I would say at both
of those places. The Democrats do not really have a leader.

(17:32):
They have a lot of squawking from people like Jasmine
Crockett and people like even now Tim Wallas will play
some audio of you of him for you. Gavin Newsom
is kind of floundering around. Kamala Harris has vanished for
the meantime. Joe Biden nobody's seen him. There's a leadership

(17:53):
void of a substantial level right now at the Democrat Party.
Akeem Jefferies is a shadow compared to the power that
Nancy Pelosi wielded as the head in the in the House,
Chuck Schumer is under siege in the Senate. What has
emerged as Trump two point zero challenge is nothing like

(18:15):
what we saw with Trump one point zero. Trump two
point zero. The challenge is being led by all of
these federal district Court judges who are deciding to try
to enjoin, that is, stop Trump from doing his presidential
actions at a level, frankly, that we have never seen
before in terms of what they are trying to stop.

(18:38):
And I've got some numbers for you here, Buck, total
injunctions that were put in place during George W. Bush's
time in office, six three of them were by the
opposing party, Barack Obama total injunctions twelve, seven of them

(19:00):
came from the opposing part.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Because twelve and eight years, correct, these are these are
the years, this is their entire tenure. Okay, Joe Biden
during his fourteen sorry, during his four year term, fourteen injunctions. Okay,
these are tiny numbers we are seeing right now, Buck,

(19:23):
numbers that are off the charts even compared to what
we saw in the first Trump term. The numbers right now,
I believe I have this accurate. This is from our
friend Hyatt Libs of TikTok. Ninety six different injunctions that
have taken place now against Trump, the vast majority of

(19:45):
those injunctions eighty three having been issued by Democrat appointed
federal district court judges. Well, here's it's been fifteen in
a month, Clay, Yes, in one month. Let me think
right about that. Right in a Trump has already been
president for four years if you add them all up.
This and to give a sense to everybody of what

(20:06):
these injunctions cover. And I mentioned this the president of
El Salvador, who you would think, and you know, I
gotta say, all of Latin America should be looking at
this guy and the miracle that he has pulled off
in El Salvador and saying, hey, what did he do?
How did he accomplish that? But there's not really and
certainly the American left should be thinking the same thing.
Maybe there's something to learn here about turning a country

(20:29):
from an unsafe hellhole into a very safe place where
people feel prosperous and happy about the future. Anyway, he
said that the US is facing a judicial coup, and
I got a lot of attention. I think that's correct, Clay.
Four federal judges just this month have ordered the following
the reinstatement of all the US AID workers who were fired.

(20:50):
Trump having to tell a flight in mid air to
return to US airspace and to land here. The blocking
of transgender prohibitions in the military. Did you see that
that's the latest one reinstatement of Department of Education grants.
I mean, this is who's in charge, who runs the

(21:13):
federal government. If Trump can't fire anybody and change any
discretionary spending done in the executive branch and make any
determinations about policy, who's the president well, and this is
super important to the Supreme Court, we understand has ultimate
authority on the law of the land. It takes five

(21:36):
Supreme Court justices to issue a ruling, and that is
the rule of the law of the land. Right now,
what we have is hundreds of federal district court judges
that are throwing themselves in front of Trump's actions. One
single judge is trying to overrule the president of the

(21:59):
United State. And what they are taking advantage of is
an opportunity to try and run out the clock when
it comes to the Trump term and power.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Because what they know is and we've told you this,
and this is why the Trump team is trying to
move so fast. You don't know what's going to happen
in twenty twenty six, believe it or not, twenty twenty six,
the elections are.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Going to be here very very soon.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
And by the time we get to next year, they're
going to be trying to really slow down anything that
can be passed in Congress at all. And Trump is
likely buck to be able to keep the Senate, maybe
even expand his majority in the Senate, but we're talking
about the House coming down to just a couple of races,

(22:45):
and the likelihood right now is it's going to be
very hard to maintain a majority in the House, and
so they're trying to keep him from getting anything done.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
This is the single biggest challenge that Trump has to
the agenda right now, and it comes from comes from
unelected appointed judges who also really suffer no consequences because
of their lifetime tenure for completely unprofessional and overreaching judicial dictats.

(23:15):
And I think that this is the biggest challenge the
Trump team faces. They knew this was coming, He already
went up against this in the first term. But I'm
not sure that we can count on the Supreme Court
to give the necessary relief to this process because unfortunately,
Amy Cony, Barrett and Justice Roberts. Chief Justice Roberts are

(23:38):
institutionalists at their core, and they believe that there's some
system that is run by elites that has to be
protected even when it is not in fact conducive to
the will of the people. And that's a big challenge.
This is a major problem that the Trump team faces
right now. I hope the Supreme Court steps in, but

(24:00):
the strategy right now is just slow everything down to
a crawl via judges, and by the time the midterms
come around, will have thwarted Trump. That's their whole plan.
They have nothing else.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, and I understand a lot of people out there
because we had to talk so much about the legal
system with the Trump attacks, whether it was civil, whether
it was criminal. Let me give you just a thirty
second rough overview of how this process works. There are
a team in New York. You can look up the number.
I think there's something like eight hundred federal district court

(24:32):
judges in the United States. That's a huge number. These
judges all have lifetime tenure.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
They work. These federal district court judges as sort of
the single A if you're a sports fan, the single
A level of the court system. Their opinions are then
appealed to the federal district court. And there are thirteen
federal district courts in the United States. And I used

(25:03):
to be an expert on this back when I was
taking the bar exam and studying for it and everything else.
But the federal district courts will pull together multiple different
state courts. So you'll have, for instance, in the sixth
Circuit where I live Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio is the sixth Circuit,

(25:24):
ninth Circuit for instance, And again I'm doing this off
the top of my head, is the West Coast California, Oregon, Washington.
You guys can correct me if I'm wrong in our
New York studios. This is why we need a real
time fact checker to make sure I don't screw all
this up. You appeal to multiple judges at the circuit
court level, so an individual judge can make a decision

(25:48):
at the federal court level, it then can take buck
months for the federal Circuit court to rule. And then
above the federal Circuit court is the Supreme Court. And
there are cases where from the federal district court to
the Supreme Court we're talking about a year years that
the pride. This is why I hated being a litigator

(26:09):
because it was so slow moving and I just wanted
to go, go go, But they are using the courts
to try to stop the Trump administration from doing what
I believe he's been duly elected to undertake. And so
what you really have is a argument about where does

(26:29):
executive authority and where does judicial authority? Actually where is
the line of power? And what these federal district court
judges are doing is they're gambling that even if they
get overturned, that they are going to be able to
slow down the gears of government and keep Trump from
being able to enact the executive plans that he was

(26:53):
elected to enact. And so you got all these Democrat
judges that are basically throwing themselves in front of the
the train tracks to try to keep the Trump train
from rolling. That's, I hope, somewhat of an understandable explanation
for what's going on big picture? Am I too cynical
about how the Supreme Court is going to play into this?

(27:15):
Do do you have more hope than me? Come on,
lawyer Clay.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I was actually, I would say optimistic, and I
think I ended up being optimistic for a good reason
as it pertained to Hunter Biden and whether they were
going to let him get off scott free. And thanks
to Judge Mizelle, if I remember her name correctly in Delaware,
that didn't happen. I am very skeptical that Roberts in
particular is going to be very helpful of Trump.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Now, they were.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Very helpful of Trump on presidential powers as it pertained
to the charges that were brought against him. But the
problem you run into here is Trump's only got three
and a half years here.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
And here's the other thing that was even though it
was Trump, and so that blinded all the Libs, that
was certainly institutionalist in nature, meaning yes, they understood if
you can prosecute a president for things he does as president,
you don't like the whole system collapse relies for every
president it years into the future, right in two terms,

(28:18):
when it's President so and so and the Democrats freak
out and they start prosecuting him again, I mean, the
whole system starts to collapse on itself. In this case,
it's not that you should, you know, wipe away the
federal judges or anything the judiciary. It's that there needs
to be a willingness to strike down the overreach that
has become systematic and intentional to undermine the executive branch

(28:41):
at its core. I don't know. You know, I don't
know how they see that. I you know, Amy Cony,
Barrett good on abortion, bad on pretty much a lot
of other things. So here's the challenge illegallybuck and this
is why I think they're having some success. A lot
of this is fact based determination, meaning where exactly the

(29:01):
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somewhat complicated. I liked Steven Miller yesterday we played the
audio where he said, clearly a federal circuit district court
judge can't stop the president from moving as commander in
chief brigades around overseas. The only thing that a federal

(29:23):
judge can't do, apparently, is stop a president from starting
a war. Okay, well, I'm glad to know that that's there.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
But it is significant. They said that the plane was
already in international waters. The federal district court judge a
jurisdiction does not extend by and large to international decisions
made by the president of the United States. But does
it extend to all of these minute different details? Easy answer,
We don't know. I don't believe so. But asking the

(29:53):
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Speaker 2 (29:54):
This and determine all of it is very complicated and
the ultimate goal is to stop. They just want they
they don't really care. They just remember when Biden said,
Bucket was very telling, I can't do this, but I'm
going to do it anyway because it's going to take
the Supreme Court a while to rule on it. That's
basically this, just like the obamaism. I've got a pen

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Speaker 2 (32:02):
We are joined by our friend Mirinda Devine. She has
books like Laptop from Hell and The Big Guy. Got
a great piece at the New York Post as well,
where she's a columnist on the secret Service situation with
the Bidens. The Irs whistleblowers, so much more to talk about, Miranda,
thanks for being here. Let's start with this. The Irs

(32:27):
whistleblowers who are the ones investigating Hunter Biden. And you
were all over that story, as we know, and this
audience will remember you from that. They were initially ostracized.
They have gotten quite a promotion under Trump. Tell us
what's going on here?

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, high claim, but this is absolutely fantastic news, and really,
I think the first vindication that we've seen in the
Trump administration of these valiant whistle blowers. There were a
number of them who stuck their head up above the
parapet to warn the American people about various malfeasances under

(33:03):
Joe Biden. And these two guys are IRS investigators, Gary
Shapley and Joe Ziegler. They were the ones who kaibo
washed the Hunter Biden sweetheart deal on his tax crimes
and that was two years since they've been ostracized and
retaliated against by their superiors in the IRS, and so

(33:27):
Scott Bessant, the Treasury Secretary, has just jumped in promoted
both of them to important positions, first of all as
senior advisors in his office helping guide the reform of
the IRS that's going to be pretty radical. And then
after one year they will go back into the agency

(33:49):
in very senior leadership positions. And in fact, just today
Scott Bessant has said that Gary Shapley, who was the
senior supervisor agent on the Hunter Biden case, he will
be the deputy head of Criminal Investigations at the IRN.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
There's a lot going on, Miranda. It's like every day
I got to keep your head on a swivel.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
But even when it comes to crazy levels of insane corruption,
were you blown away by how many people were protecting
Hunter Biden? Because Buck and I when we had this
conversation on the show, I mean, I was in disbelief,
to say nothing of the fact that he's going on
luxurious vacations to South Africa while he's claiming poverty here

(34:36):
in the United States. And I'm glad by the way
that the Trump administration has pulled the protection of Hunter Biden.
But even with the understanding of how much craziness and
wasted funds there are in the federal government, did it
astound you how big the security detail was for Hunter Biden?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Not really, because I have seen him right for instance,
last summer when he was in court in Delaware, in
Wilmington over these gun felonies that he was convicted on.
Every day he would arrive in a gigantic motorcade you know,
of black Secret Service cadillacs with you know, I don't know.

(35:20):
It seemed like vast armies. Donald Trump has said there
were eighteen Secret Service agents with him in South Africa.
That kind of makes sense because he has two agents
assigned to him. His wife, Melissa Cohen, has two agents,
so that's four. You've got three shifts of eight hours,
so you're already up to twelve and then you know

(35:43):
you've got to have extras because they can't be expected
to work seven days a week. So it kind of
makes sense that eighteen agents would have flown over to
South Africa. We're told by Garrett Ziegler from Marc Popolo,
who's had a private eye following following Hunter Biden because
Hunter Biden suing him and he wanted to find out

(36:04):
if Hunter Biden was sort of flouting at the court
orders and he Garrett Siegeler has said that Hunter Biden
is spending ninety days in Cape Town with his wife,
Melissa Cohen, who.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Was born for how many days?

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Ninety three months?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
For really, I mean, this is crazy buck.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
And what's he having a vacation from? Because he never
does anything. He's a proper job since he first left
university and he went and worked in one of his
father's you know, donors in Delaware, m NBA or MBNA,
which is a big credit card company that gave him

(36:49):
a job on an inflated salary that he would not
have had if he hadn't been Joe Biden's son. And
he was bored with that, so he just walked away
from it. And ever since, he's just griffed off his
father's name.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
How is the Biden brand doing for the griff these days? Miranda?
We had a sad story that we had to bring
to this audience that if any of our listeners had
purchased a Hunter Biden oil painting, unfortunately the value does
not seem to have skyrocketed.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yes, I know it's funny, isn't it. How as soon
as Joe Biden lost power, Hunter Biden suddenly broke He
can't sell his paintings. No one's buying his awful book.
Funny about that, And they're not giving him jobs oligarchs
and not offering him millions of dollars to do nothing.

(37:41):
So he's now crying poor. And he told the court
in California that he couldn't continue with his lawsuit against
Garrett Ziegler and Marco Polo because he just didn't have
the funds to pay lawyer, which sort of made sense
because Abby Lowell is a pretty expensive lawyer who sort
of marshaled all his court cases while Joe Biden was

(38:05):
vice president. But after the pardon, he seemed to vanish
from the scene. And I remember being in court one
time at Abbey Lole was complaining busily about, you know,
being short on resources. So and that was after Kevin Morris,
the Sugar brother, the other lawyer from Hollywood, had said
that he was closing his wallet to Hunter after having

(38:28):
funded his lifestyle for so many years and also paying
off about six million dollars in his tax debts to
the irs. So Kevin Morris has had enough. He's not
spending any more money. And so Hunter had to pay
for his own lawyers, so maybe he stopped paying them
because they didn't show up in California that the judge

(38:49):
I think the court had sent out an app And
finally Abby Lole popped up and said, oh, I've always
been working for Hunter Biden, but he had not, he
had disappeared. So now he's back on the scene. And
you know, the money just ratchets up every hour that
that guy gets paid. And Hunter Biden is saying he
doesn't have the money, so maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
We're talking to Miranda Divine. I can't get over ninety
day vacation to South Africa. I mean, look at any
ideas Clay no ninety day vacations on this show, Sir.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I I just he doesn't have an actual job, Like
what is he vacationing from? Like this is like how
many people get to go on a three month African
safari basically from not having a job in the first place,
Like how does he need to be able to rest
and rehabilitate?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But I will say, how much difference is it?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
For you, Miranda, and in just this world that we
live in now to instead of when you're writing articles
during the Biden administration, everyone says, oh, that's made up,
Oh that's not true. To win the New York Post
article that you wrote about Hunter Biden's Secret Service detail
following him to Africa, the Trump team reads it and

(40:01):
they're like, yeah, that's over, We're pulling that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
That has to feel.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Amazing to be able to know that you're doing good
investigative journalism, and not only is it being widely distributed
through the New York Post, which I believe deserves all
the Pulitzers that the what New York Times and the
Washington Post actually got for Russia collusion for what you
wrote about the Hunter Biden laptops. But how much better

(40:25):
does it feel to know that that whatever you produce
can be acted upon and often will be acted upon
by the White House.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, I just have to put in one caveat it
wasn't really my investigative prowess that got this story. It
was actually Garrett Ziegler and micro Polo with their private investigator,
who gave the photographs to Laura Luma, who then very
kindly said that I could use them. So you know,
I didn't really do a hell of a lot myself,

(40:55):
other than I talked to or tried to get the
White House to rest fond and also the Department of
Homeland Security and also the Secret Service, and I have
to say they all went to ground. They were not
at all helpful. They sort of tried to gaslight me
in the beginning. Finally, way past my deadline, the Secret

(41:16):
Service spokesman gave me a quote that said, well, we
can't go into methods and blah blah, but we can
confirm that Hunter Biden is a protectee. So I published
that quote, published the story. There's outrage. Our reporters in
Washington tried to get a question in at the White

(41:37):
House press conference but were not called upon. And then
later that day in a gaggle I think at Air
Force One, it was I think a Washington Times reporter
actually asked the President about the Hunter Biden eighteen strong
security Secret Service detail in Cape Town, and Donald Trump

(42:00):
said I haven't heard that before, which I mean, maybe
that's the case. He's very busy, and he said, well,
I mean eighteen that sounds excessive, and I'm going to
look at that this afternoon, and sure enough, he then
pulled not only the eighteen agents that were with Hunter
Biden in Cape Town, but also thirteen agents he said

(42:22):
were assigned to Ashley Biden, who's Joe Biden's daughter, the
only daughter he has with your only child with Joe Biden,
Hunter Biden's half sister. And you know, neither Ashley Biden
nor Hunter Biden were eligible to have Secret Service protection
after Joe Biden's term ended. It's only the children of

(42:45):
former presidents up to the age of sixteen, So there
was some And apparently what I was told off the
record was that Joe Biden made an executive memo before
he left office to extend Secret Service protection for his
adult children indefinitely, and nobody in the Trump administration had
stepped in to stop that until Donald Trump did, until

(43:09):
we amplified the work of Laura Lumer and Marco Poland all.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Right, I've got a question for you, Miranda. I don't
know if you saw, but I'm going to be traveling
on Air Force one with President Trump this weekend to
go to the nc DOUBA wrestling tournaments. Question for you, two, Oh,
you're going to be there, You're going to be on
the plane.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
No, I'm not going to be on the plane, but
I'm going to be at the tournament with Tony bob Lynsky,
who's one of the other brilliant wiskele blowers in the
Hunter Biden case.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I didn't feel left out before, Miranda, But you and
Clay taking tequila shots while watching the Ncuba wrestling, I
might have to like hit your riders. All right.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Well, I've never met you in person, Miranda. I was
going to ask you for well, I hope to see
you on Saturday. Then I was going to ask you
for advice. I bet you've been on Air Force one before.
Should I know anything?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yes, I went once about three weeks ago when I
interviewed President Trump. Gosh, just the food is great. I
don't know if you'll have enough time to have a meal.
The presidential suite at the front of the plane is
plush and gorgeous. So I would just keep your eyes peeled.

(44:17):
I didn't because I was so concentrating on my questions.
But keep your eyes peeled for Dacor. I wish i'd
done that. And get a photograph of yourself. Get the
White House photographer to take a photo of you in
his office, in Trump's office on Air Force one, interviewing him,
because that will be a memento for the ages.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I can't well, I'm so excited about getting to go
on Air Force one. I mean again, I.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Just wanted to ask your advice. By the way, how
do you think I'll be received by the White House
Press Corps? Do you think they'll be fans?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, hopefully you won't be actually with them. They sort
of apart down the back of the plane, and you
probably will get to sit up closer where.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
The staff are, so that would be my maybe, and.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Then you'll get like the first class service, the more
comfortable seats, et cetera. Look, I think probably most of
the reporters who are in the White House fool. I
know we have a York Post reporter Stephen Nelson's been
in that several times. I think most of them are
just professionals who are trying to do their job. It's
only occasionally you'll get someone like that NPR woman the

(45:22):
other day who was so clumsy managing the boom mic
that it basically crashed into Donald Trump's face and brushed
across it. You know, I don't know whether that was
deliberate or not, who knows, but it was certainly clumsy.
So I think there are a few real anti Trump

(45:42):
people who are in that preschool. So hopefully on the
day that you go, they won't be there.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Fingers crossed. I'm looking forward to see any Saturday. By
the way, Yeah me too.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I hope, I hope we get a chance. I think
there'll be a lot of people there. But Tony Bobolinski
is an a flute legend, Penn State wrestling champion, and
obviously whistle blower champion against the Bidens. He was Hunter
Biden's former business partner and he really went all out
during the campaign to campaign in Pennsylvania to get the

(46:16):
whole Penn State team wrestling team on board with Donald Trump,
which they are, and so we're rooting for Penn State.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Awesome. I can't wait. Miranda, keep up the killer work
and I hope to see you this weekend.

Speaker 5 (46:29):
Yeah you too, Thanks so much to g She's done.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Such a good job. You and Miranda did you hang
out this weekend? You know, the buckster getting left getting
left behind while you and Miranda are clinking the champagne
glasses flying around on the jet I see how it is.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I will say, Miranda, because you killed it at what
was that the New York speech that you gave.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Oh, shout it out. But for Buck, like to me,
you oh yeah, yeah. She texted me when you and
you were at the Metropolitan Republican the Buckster is fantastic
at the events. Just throwing that out there if any
of you who are looking for a keynote. And I
gave a speech and she missed it, but then we
hung out afterwards and carries well she texted me and said,
I heard Buck was great at his New York speech.
I want to be able to hang out with him.

(47:11):
And I was like, well, I got to get you
guys on a text chain and you guys just went
out and party the nightaway. You know, your boy Buck
gets it done. No notes, no nothing throws down. That's
how we do.

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Speaker 1 (48:36):
Welcome Back in Play Travis Buck Sexton Show sharing this
data from Steve Kornaki and I was just laying it out.
College educated white women, they hate Trump. They're the only
group of white voters that hates Trump. In fact, he
has a positive review of everybody else. And the difference
between white men with no college degree and white women

(48:58):
with college degrees has probably never been more expansive, huge difference.
White women with college degrees hate Elon, they hate Doge,
they hate the Republican Party, they love Zolensky, and they
also Buck love DEI So, basically, white women with college

(49:21):
degrees as a group, I know there are many white
women with college degrees that are listening to us right now,
are divergent from every other white person in America in
a massive way. White men with college degrees are not
similar to white women with college degrees, and certainly white
women and men without college degrees are not similar at

(49:43):
all either. A bunch of people want to weigh in,
and let's start with Lois in Raleigh, North Carolina. What
do you think is to explain this?

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I am an
college educated woman with a master's degree in education administration.
I worked until thirty nine, got married and had my son.
I loved Trump, and I think maybe some of these women,
because I know some are very angry. Maybe they're even
kind of intimidating, and so are they kind of put

(50:17):
people off a little. I don't know, but that's been
my experience. So but I love Trump and I'm a
college educated woman and white.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Right, Well, we know, we know there are a lot
of we know there are a lot of you out there.
I'm curious. I mean when you say, did you have peers,
you know, women who were in your program, let's say
your master's program, Like, what what has their experience been?
Because you said, I think you got married at thirty nine,
you had a kid, you know, it all worked out
for you, right, But do you have a lot of
people from your master's program who maybe never were able

(50:45):
to start a family, or feel like they spent too
much time in the library or whatever. I'm curious what
your general conception or perception is.

Speaker 6 (50:53):
Well, I guess my perception is I felt they they
sort of gave this go away. I'm I'm strong, I'm tough,
I'm not vulnerable that type of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Do you think that was because they were told that
they should compete with men in the workplace in a
way that was unhealthy I mean, what's your analysis of it.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Oh, I think it's unhealthy because I wanted to be
married and have a child and be a college educated woman.
I wanted to have all of that, and I did.
I just had to wait.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah, okay, I've got a good email here, Thank you
for the call. By the way, with you, I can
mention my wife has double graduate degrees and voted for Trump.
So obviously there are a lot of people out there
in that camp. But but again.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
On the on the outlier thing. You know, Mark Zuckerberg
didn't finish college and is one of the richest people
on the planet. That doesn't mean that like people shouldn't
get an education, right, you know, it doesn't or that
you shouldn't finish college if you think that's going to
be good for you. You know, the exception is not the rule.
The outlier typically is an outlier for a reason. Good
email here from Katie. She says, howdy from San Antonio,

(51:58):
college educated Gigamaggie's means she's a tex A and m grad.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I'm a white woman here, voted for Trump. And what
I'm interested in is why you think women, not what
you did, but why you think these numbers do reflect
the truth.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
There are a lot of people who disagree with you.
Here's her explanation. Many of my childhood friends turned extremely
liberal while in college. Then they moved into urban suburban
areas around Dallas, Austin, and Houston. All of my white
college educated liberal friends are extremely vocal on social media
about the same issues, abortion, the Alphabet Crew, nonsense, and

(52:36):
above all, pandering to the race social causes like BLM.
It's like they fall all over each other to show
who is the most apologetic for being white and who
adopts the most pets from their local shelter. Their need
to fill morally superior is unmatched. I think that's a

(52:56):
really great email that actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
high five to who was the author of that one.
Via Katie Gigamaggie's good luck to Texas A and M
in the tournament. Based on this, she also said, by
the way, Texas A and M one of the exceptions
mostly conservative school, especially compared to that Orange school in Austin.

(53:17):
Taking a little bit of a shot at the University
of Texas.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
But it is interesting that it's like for college educated
women their social stature is a competition to see who
can appear the most emotionally.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Empathetic and may well drive it. I think that the
emotional blackmail that we are all put through in college
by the woke machinery is particularly effective on women. I
just think that, Again, that doesn't mean that all women
succumb to it. It just means that I think that

(53:52):
women are more likely because they're more Look, we can
speak about these things honestly, right, Women tend to be
more empathetic and tend to be more in touch with
their feelings. You know. In general, Okay, I need some
woman to call, like I could bench press you buck
like I'm sure you can. But generally speaking, women are
more when full macho man Randy Savage.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
That's the that's the lesbian woman from the Democrat Party
that picked Tim Walls as the man to appeal to.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You get what I'm you get what I'm putting down.
But I think that women want to be and I'm
talking about college. Women in college were of that age. Obviously,
they want to be empathetic. They want to be sympathetic,
they want to do what they can for other people,
and they are told that to be good people, to
be good people, you have to identify with these cousin

(54:42):
Clay a perfect example of this, Zolenski. The college educated
women love little Zolenski. Give me more money. I am
here for Donald Trump in my T shirt. Like the
whole thing is bizarre when you think about this. Also,
what are these college educated women know about what it
means to be somewhere where you could get blown up

(55:04):
by an ied or shot by a sniper rifle, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. And yet they're the ones that
are so all in on this Ukraine war situation. Like,
think about this for a second. The guys who has fought,
who has fought a lot of Americans war. Now, I
have friends who come from very well off backgrounds who
were in the Army and in the Marines too, So

(55:24):
I'm not I'm not saying again we're speaking generalities here, Okay,
working class men are the ones who fight America's wars.
Rich man's poor man's fight has been a paise for
hundreds of years, and it's true in the world it is,
you know, eighteen year olds from working class backgrounds who

(55:45):
are the ones signing up fighting our wars. I don't
think anybody would find this a controversial statement. It is
the truth. And it's interesting that they like Trump the
guy who's trying to end the war, and white college
educated women are the ones who are like like Slava Ukrainy,
like fight till the very end. The guys know that

(56:05):
this stuff is nasty and you want to end it
as fast as possible. This is not a video game.
Mary in San Marcos, Texas. What's your theory on what's
going on here?

Speaker 7 (56:17):
I think they're spoiled brats. I think they think they're enabled,
and they think that they're better, and they think that
they're gonna do whatever they think they want to do.
They are using the female card. I'm in my sixties
that it took me a while to get my degree,
but I worked my butt off to get my degree.
Literally because we didn't have federal loans then we had

(56:40):
to pay it as we went. But I very much
earned my degree. I am a degree from Texas A
and M Corpus Christi, Texas, but I am a teacher.
I retired after twenty five years, but before that, I
was a mechanic in an oil refinery. I was a
mechanic in Abbot laboratory. Medical manufacturing system. As I said,

(57:03):
I work my butt off, and these ladies that are
just doing this, they couldn't be bothered by dirting their
hands doing menial work waitressing or working in the kitchen
or working in some kind of hands on product. They're
you know, little mischucchies doing what they want to do
because I'm a female and I can do this, and

(57:24):
you know you have to hire me because I'm entitled.
No you're not.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Thank you for the call. I love it, Thank you
for the call. I do think there's a generational divide here, right,
because a lot of women college graduates are recent women
college graduates, meaning in the last twenty or thirty years,
as now women get way more college degrees in question,
for you, buck, are women, because of social media, far

(57:52):
more likely to be susceptible to what their friends do
and say than men are. Like, I don't know about you,
but I really I Clay, and I here experts on women.
I just think it's kind of funny. Yes, I'm just
having I'm just having a go at you. Yes, I
think that you are correct. I think that the I
see this all the time. Can I just tell you

(58:13):
something you know? I have I still have some friends
who are single and I and I love hearing about,
you know, their story. It's great to hear their stories,
right It's it's like hearing about people who are out
there in the jungle trying to find the tiger still,
you know, like, I'm I'm safe, and I've got I
got an older brother who's who's a fantastic guy and
a very eligible bachelor. Great catch, just thrown it out there,

(58:36):
great catch, Mason, my older brother, and and he's still single.
But you know, I've got a bunch of friends down
here as well who are all single guys. And Clay.
The number of women who think it's really appealing to
tell guys that their great life life aspiration is to
travel is insane to me. This is this is entirely
a product of Instagram culture and getting the likes. And

(59:00):
I'm in Toulom and I'm in Barcelona, and I'm in
all these places, and all my friends think I'm living
this great life. Traveling is a thing you do once
in a while to do a reset from your actual life.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
And yeah, I'm gonna sound like an Instagram influencer chick
right now. I kind of think they're right. I love
to travel. I want to go everywhere. That's what I
want to do. No, I want to just travel over
the place you're gonna see me, like on the edge
of a cliff taking a selfie, like look at the
sea in the background.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
We need doctor Laura. Where's doctor Laura. We need hear
weigh in on this.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
But I do think that first of all, I have
no idea what my friends say on social media, Like
I use social media.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
If you were trying to find you found, you found
a great woman and built a beautiful family in a.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Real world where you meet face to face, like in
law school, like most people used to meet face to face.
But so the whole dating on the internet thing was
like predates me.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
So but I'm saying if you if you met a
girl in you know, not Laura, if you had met
somebody before you met Laura, and you said, hey, like,
you know, what do you want to do? Just like
I just want to travel? Now you think that's a
you think not I want to build a family. I
like to travel. Now what I wanted to hear, You're
a witch? I want man, you don't count now I'm
talking about when you were single. Oh yeah, no, what

(01:00:14):
I wanted to hear was I want to have a
ton of kids. Yeah, that's what I would want to hear.
So you you agree with me your whole I love
to travel thing, Clay, Yeah, like cause you're you know,
I'm alreadying around totally different. But but I do think
the thing that I wanted to hear was, Hey, I
want to have a bunch of kids. And that's what

(01:00:36):
had appeal to me. And if you're I guess I'm
thinking like twenty five year old day if you're like
thirty five and you meet somebody and like, what do
you want to do with your life? Like I want
to travel? That's a little bit weird. There's a lot
I had. This is what I'm telling you. There are
a lot of women in their thirties who their aspiration
is their life aspiration again as they're presenting it on
social media and on dating apps or whatever, is I

(01:00:58):
want to travel. And I just think that this is
this mindset of the self actualization through selfies is really damaging.
I think it's totally true. Here's another question for you.
Do you think women are more impacted by negativity on
social media? Like, in other words, anything that we post

(01:01:19):
if you want to go into the mentions, you can
find five or six people that are like, kill yourself.
I hope you die, right, I mean that is very
common on social media, particularly Twitter compared to Instagram. How
much of this is just a fear of anybody disagreeing
with them in a desperate way. Women are far more
socially savvy than men are. Like I don't know when

(01:01:40):
I'm getting the cold shoulder. I don't notice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Because I'm not savvy enough to notice it in many respects.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
And I do think women are more, far more tuned.
And I wonder my thought on this is what would
Trump have been like in a non social media era. Well,
come back, let's come back to this. Okay, let's come
back to those two questions. And also we'll get some
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Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are
fired up here on this topic, as are so many
of you. You're calling in, you're writing in all over
the place we have. Is this a call? Christine and
Cape Cod? Christine and cap Cod, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Him?

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
I am. I have two children in their twenties. I
raised them in affluent Newton, Massachusetts. I have a master's
degree to successful companies. Although I'm a Republican, all of
my best friends that I raised my children with were
crazy Liberals. And to the point of where what I

(01:04:21):
think is going on, and what I saw in our
community is that boys has been totally emasculated as well
as men. And for the most part, most of the
men in our community were raised to be very effeminate,
to not be aggressive, to not be real men, to
not be do sexual advances, advances for concern over being

(01:04:43):
aggressive or for it to be looked at as you know,
rapists or whatever. And so I think young boys are
not are told not to be that way. And so
when all these women are confronted with a real man
who is a agressive who is all you know, playing
outside and wrestling and all of that, they are like

(01:05:05):
a ghast. Boys shouldn't be that way. Men shouldn't be
that way. So Trump, super fast, real man, I think,
is looked upon as that. And so I think and
certainly like my daughter who is in Cambridge and went
to school in Boston, all of the men were very effeminate.
So you have all of these women who and the

(01:05:28):
women in my community, we were all lucky enough to
raise our children at home, so they were leading very
feminine roles within their households, how you know, staying home,
taking care of their kids, all of that. Yet we
were telling our kids to not be that way. Don't
assume those roles. Girl, you you know, get that abortion
if you want that abortion. And boys don't be don't wrestle,

(01:05:50):
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, they masculinize the women. Actually, the young women are
being told to act more like men, and men are
being told to act more like women. It's part of
the whole gender confusion in this country. Great call, great call,
Thank you so much. Let me just say for those
of you, because I think we have like every line
right now lit up. We obviously were at the end
of the show, so Clinton, I would love it if
you would whatever you want to say tell us on talkback.
We will definitely hear it. We get all of the talkbacks.

(01:06:13):
We get them sent to us in emails so we
can hear them or read the transcript, and we'll play
some of them tomorrow because we're at time. Great idea, Yes,
if you are still waiting, give us the talkback on
the iHeart app and we will play a bunch of
these tomorrow. Great emails, great calls. We'll be back with
all of you tomorrow. NCAA tournament, get your picks in.
Let's have some fun.

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