March 26, 2025 • 61 mins
The show kicked off with a discussion about the recent Signal chat controversy involving high-level national security officials. The hosts argued that the situation is being blown out of proportion and emphasized that no classified information was shared. They also touched on the downfall of Disney's Snow White remake and the controversy surrounding Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's comments about Governor Abbott, who is wheelchair-bound. The hosts found her explanation for calling him "Hot Wheels" unconvincing and discussed the broader implications of her remarks. The conversation then shifted to the role of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the recent comments by Tulsi Gabbard regarding the Signal chat incident. The hosts debated the significance of the mistake and the potential political motivations behind the story's release. They also speculated on the possibility of other Signal chats being compromised and the overall security protocols in place for such communications. The Dean of American Journalists, Bill O'Reilly, on how he would handle the Signal scandal, his grade for President Trump, and the future of the Democrat Party leadership. Bill's upcoming book "Confronting Evil" and his Three American Live show with Stephen A. Smith and Chris Cuomo is this Sunday and tickets are still available. They delved into the Signal chat controversy, asserting that the incident is not a scandal but an embarrassing mistake. The hosts and O'Reilly then debated the ethics of journalists accessing sensitive information and the potential consequences for national security. The conversation then shifted to President Trump's performance in his second term. O'Reilly graded Trump on various aspects, giving him high marks for border control and deportations but a lower grade for tariffs. They also discussed the potential for a ceasefire in Ukraine and the future of the Democratic Party, with O'Reilly criticizing figures like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. NPR's controversial tweets and the organization's funding. Why are our tax dollars funding NPR? Buck Sexton's Pete Hegseth and Will Cain story involving trust and a dirty puddle of water in NYC.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for
joining us here. We've got we got more on this
whole signal chat thing. Will work you through some of this.
I think increasingly clear that they're making a mountain out
of a molehill a tempest than a teapot. It's one
(00:23):
thing to say, Okay, it's not great, we got to
fix this. It's another thing to say, oh my gosh,
how could we ever ever trust these people ever again?
That they just hate Trump and everybody who works for them,
So we have to keep that in mind. We will
discuss though the latest details that more chat isn't interesting.
Claim a day ago Jeffrey Goldberg is, oh, I don't
(00:44):
know if I can release this stuff, it's so sensitive.
And then he releases it today. What a big surprise,
almost like this is all a political hit and not
really having anything to do with national security, which I
will also point out was not harmed in this. I
talked to you yesterday about the classification system and how
it is all built upon perceived possible harm like Top
(01:06):
Secret would be grave, grave damage to US national security interests.
Confidential is moderate damage to US national security interests. It's
an imprecise thing. This is more art than science in
a lot of ways. But well, we'll give you the
details on this, because I don't want your angry neighbor
when you're trimming the hedges or whatever or mowing the
(01:28):
law and to be able to shadow. Did you see
you about the signal chat? And you're like, no, I
didn't see. We'll tell you about it so you'll know. Also,
we are enjoying the spectacular downfall of Disney with more
from the snow White megaflop that is underway right now.
The IMDb ratings, the finger pointing has begun Clay about
(01:51):
who is to blame for this thing to be such
a mess, So that is to be something that we
will dive into. And then we've got Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett
play I'm sure you saw this after calling Governor Abbott
hot wheels. Governor Abbot, who is wheelchair bound because of
(02:11):
a tragic accident, has been for I don't know fifty years,
forty years now. She says that she was not referring
to him in a wheelchair, that that had nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's first of all, I admire the blatant lie because
it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What is her exploit? Have any I didn't even see this?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What is her explanation for what she was referring to
if she wasn't referring to him being in a wheelchair?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Do you want me to tell you now? Or should
we keep our audience on the edge of their seats
and get you to see genuinely have no idea. I'm
curious what the spin is here. I have not seen this.
I think you'll have to stay with us to the
bottom of the hour, and I will tell you what.
It's all a good tease. I'm not going to be
able to leave, you know. I want you guys to
stay with us here. Let's start with this. We had
the DNI Telci Gabbard, and I keep telling you this
(02:59):
because it's true. The best thing she can do is
to fix the eye of the intelligence community to the
best of her ability and then come forward and say
that there should no longer be a DNI because they
shouldn't because it's absurd. But that's not policy's fault. She's
doing a great job. She spoke this morning about the
signal chat situation, and here is what she said, play
(03:20):
cup one.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added
to a signal chat with high level national security principles
having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Huthis
and the effects of the strike. National Security Advisor has
taken full responsibility for this, and the National Security Council
is conducting an in depth review along with technical experts
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working to determine how this reporter was inadvertently added to
this chat. The conversation was candid and sensitive, but as
the president National Security Advisor stated, no classified information was shared.
There were no sources, methods, locations, or war plans that
were shared. This was a standard update to the National
Security Cabinet that was provided alongside updates that were given
(04:06):
to foreign partners in the region.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Clay, this is an internal, senior level, a senior level
deliberation of national security officials in the government. Somehow an
American journalist got access to it, and I think it's
just an oversight in error, one that will not be replicated.
And I'm already kind of tired of talking about it,
but I just don't want to let anybody leave anybody
(04:31):
in the lurch with the ability to get attacked by
Oh but did you see the latest or did you
see more? But this is a this is a political hit.
They've had nothing to attack Trump with other than the
stock market went down today, the price of eggs is high,
and so now they're doing this. I don't think we're
talking about this by Monday of next week, and that's
the way that it should be.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So the one thing I will say is it definitely
feels more and more calculated to me the way that
this has been released, because they're trying to turn it
into a multi day story as opposed to a one
day story. So yesterday's story was, oh, my goodness, can
(05:12):
you believe this happened? I guess it was actually the
day before yesterday, right, This initially happened on Monday afternoon,
if I remember correctly. But after we were off the
air Tuesday we talked about it, that seemed to kind
of have died down and basically ended. And then this
morning more of the text change text chain is released,
(05:33):
and I wonder if Goldberg is keeping more of the
text chain to try to have a third bite at
the apple, so to speak, to keep the story getting
a lot of attention. I think in general, the fact
that the reporter was added to the chat it makes
it look more incompetent than malicious, if that makes sense.
(05:57):
And I also think that one reason this is not
going to I agree with you in terms of how
many days it's going to go on, But one reason
it's not going to be a never ending, multi day
story is because there was no hypocrisy by and large
in what we've seen so far on the text chain
(06:17):
that was released publicly that is different than really what
people would say privately.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And usually these stories blow up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
In a big way when we become aware that what
was being said publicly was very different than what was
being discussed privately. And we've seen, for instance, a lot
of the emails around COVID, when you saw the scientists
privately expressing doubts about, for instance, the lab leak and
whether it might have happened, or whether COVID was created
(06:46):
in a lab as opposed to coming from an animal.
But then when they all went out in public, they
uniformly said, oh, there's no basis whatsoever for anything other
than this one story. I do think that trumping out
and basically shutting it down has also gone a long
way towards towards limiting the fallout. And of anybody out there,
(07:09):
who do you think trust the national security experts less
than Donald Trump? Right now, after these same guys with
we talked about this, the FBI raided his house and
took out all these supposedly classified documents, and then we
didn't talk about it a lot. But just a few
weeks ago they gave him all back to him.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Did you notice when he was on air Force air
Force one a couple of weeks ago, but also on
Marine one, they were carrying boxes which were the papers
that they had seized that they were going to try
to put him in prison for the rest of his
life for having. Oh, by the way, now they've given him.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Back to him.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I just think that that capstone to this story did
not get a lot of attention. If these papers are
so dangerous. I know, he's the president of the United States. Again,
theoretically he could declassify anything if he wants, but I
think he recognizes that a lot of this is bureaucratic
rigmarole in the way that it talks. Let me also
(08:08):
add this, I don't think the average American cares that much, right.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I think if you're a.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Diehard propagandist partisan on the left, you're super fired up
about this story. The average person in America today, I
don't think that there would be anyone out there that
is obsessively following this. Who is the middle of the
road voter or just a regular person.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the people who are particularly critical of this
in public, again, it's a mistake, there's no question they've
admitted that it's a mistake. But nothing bad happened, right,
The no harm, no foul principle should apply to things
like this, just like it does everything else in life.
The strikes happened the who thi's? And if people say
(08:55):
huti and huthi by the way, and it has to
do with the transliteration from the Arabic Modern Standard Arabic
has something closer to a th sound for English speakers,
but in the Arabic dialect, I believe in Yemen it's
more like a tea. So just if I switch back
and forth, everybody switches back and forth. Clay says hoodie,
I say houthy d and I Gabbert said huthy. Because
(09:16):
I know we're gonna get the pronunciation. Police. I know
you're out there. I know you're cruising around with your
aviators on and your State trooper hat, you know, drinking
your drinking your black coffee, and just looking out there
waiting for somebody to mess up the pronunciation. So I
am well aware of the differentiation between HOODI and Huthy.
But Clay, none of this stuff is big. Nothing happened. Look,
(09:41):
the problem that I have had in the back of
my mind with this, or the thing that could become
a problem is if Jeffrey Goldberg had something really sensitive
in there that shouldn't be in a signal chat and
they've lied about it by saying there's nothing sensitive, and
then he drops that that was my It doesn't seem
(10:01):
like that's going to happen right now based on the chat.
We've all read the chat logs now they've been released,
unless he's holding something back and setting a trap for
the people that were coming forward to speak about this.
But you know, you asked us, okay, what what happened?
The strike occurred. There's no reason to believe the strike
didn't happen exactly as planned. What's the problem, right, I mean,
(10:23):
you know you ask yourself that question, and there's really
no answer to it. Uh And and I think that
that tells you all you need to know about this.
The the I don't know how Jeffrey Goldberg got added it.
Somebody added him, Okay, like that. I don't like being
talked to like we're idiots. There's a little, a little
tiny bit of that coming around on some of this stuff,
like we don't know we need to have the smartest
(10:44):
tech minds. No, you guys, someone mistakenly added a journalist
and they meant to add somebody else. Okay, let's not
let's not do this thing. Where is the Atlantic hacking
into the Atlantic, which is run by and and you know,
full of staffed by imbeciles, is not hacking into signal
with top principles of the United States government national security complex.
(11:06):
Somebody made an oopsie, nothing bad happened. Don't make another oopsie.
And the Democrats are doing what they always do, which
is just find some way to make this all about
attacking the people in charge because they don't like them.
That's that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
One thing I have thought about this, and I agree
with a lot of that. How many different other signal
chats are currently underway on the group text chain. In
other words, if we've got one dealing with the UTI
bombing that's going to be taking place, are there ten
(11:44):
other group chats? This is one thing I am thinking about,
And are we certain that everybody on those group chats
is who they're supposed to be, because I don't think that.
For the first time ever, they just had I think
it was an eighteen person group chat related to this
particular incident. I would think based on the way these
guys are communicating that they are regularly communicating in general.
(12:07):
So how many other group chats are out there? I
think that's one of the steps that will be taken next.
And hopefully there's no branking a journalist on them.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But this is fine, Clay. National security officials are human
beings who have to operate in the real world as well.
They speak on open lines. They I was just on
the phone at the CIA yesterday. Don't even get me
started trying to get my book through the review process.
I am how's that going about? I am very very
unhappy with them, But that's a whole other conversation. They're
(12:35):
blaming elon now we can't get anything done, you know anyway,
I don't want to get into it. I don't want
to get into it. It's very very frustrating, very frustrating
over there. But when you're when you're on an open line,
I mean you you can speak to people on an
open line and you just can't speak about classified and
if you start here, they're just gonna hang up on
you right away. So there there are ways that you know,
(12:59):
you can get in contact with national security officials or
rather the national security officials speak to each other and
you just have normal conversations, right, I mean, or you
speak about things as though you could be recorded, or
you have to assume you're being recorded, you're being intercepted,
and you don't talk about classified stuff. But this is
like the foundation of all operational security. It all comes
(13:22):
down to the individual. There's all these posters and things.
If you go into it, whether it's a military base
or you're in a CIA office, there's you know, operational
security starts with you. Yeah, because you know stuff that
if you shout it out loud, it would be very bad.
So you don't do that, and it's on you to
make sure that the level of classification that you're operating
(13:45):
on or under is attuned to the system you're using.
So open line phone, assume the Russians are listening, and
who cares, right, because then you're assuming they're listening, So clay,
when you're saying other other signal chats, that's not a problem.
There are unclassified emails that go around government officials, right,
the same thing with Hillary and her server. The problem
(14:05):
wasn't that Hillary Clinton ever used unclassified email. The problem
was she only used to unclassified email and had special
Access program data and all kinds of really classified stuff
in there. Right, that was the It's not oh my god,
how could you send an unclassified email about yoga and
chardonnay drinking. It's that she messed it up. So I
don't know that we can assume where we should assume
(14:26):
that anybody messed anything up on any signal chats. But yeah,
this one is not Look, it's not good. I'm gonna
but it's not a big deal. Right, there's not good
and not a big deal. It's in the national security world,
I would say, more like a speeding ticket. And they're
saying that this is more like a mass murder because
they're insane, so well and they need something to attack.
(14:47):
And this is where you've given the opportunity. Of all
the journalists that could have been added on the group chat,
maybe the worst one to add, just just tossing it
out there, that is a very good point. I mean,
to add the national secure quote unquote correspondent or writer,
editor or whatever, who is probably more directly than almost
(15:07):
anybody else, tried to destroy Donald Trump. That's the thing, right,
I mean, if they had added some.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Reporter you were me, we would have been like, hey,
I don't think we're supposed to be I don't think
I'm supposed to be on this, and it would nobody
would have ever known, right, I mean, it's that they
added this guy. He stayed hidden in the chat, saw
all the chats, and he hates Trump. And so they
basically got the worst possible journalists to screw up and
add to the chat, if that makes sense. It's not
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Speaker 1 (16:47):
All right, welcome back in so uh, let's talk about
Hot Wheelsgate. Now, first of all, Clay totally separate. But
it does remind me anything that allows me to indulge
my eighties nine. He's nostalgia gets me excited. Were you
ever a Hot Wheels guy when they were a big thing?
Remember the car? Remember on TV? They made it seem
(17:08):
so cool, these toys, and then you'd get them when
you were like six years old, and it didn't go
by itself and it didn't look as cool as it
did on TV.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I was not, but my oldest son was a big
hot wheels kid.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We had a lot of you know, cars for him
to play with. He had the uh, the tracks you
know where you can race cars against each other. He
was of my three boys, the one that that I
remember being the most uh sort of into hot wheels,
and we spent a lot of time playing cars.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I remember my my little nephew who's growing up very fast,
my sister's boy. It's funny because it's one of those
experiments that you didn't mean to run, but you see
it in real time. He just likes so many other
little boys. This is just in the whole gender you know,
what's gender normative everything else. He loves trucks and dinosaurs. Yep.
(18:02):
And what I think is that no one ever told
him you need to like trucks, you know, like dump
trucks and and you know, and like like construction kind
of trucks. He is, he's got all these toys everywhere.
He's you know, three years old now, and dinosaurs. He
knows more about dinosaurs than I do. And I actually
think I was pretty good. You know, he was talking
about like pacisephio loris or something. I don't even know that.
(18:24):
But the boys like things that boys like at a
young age, you know, and it's different. He's not sitting
there playing with little tea sets, and it's just based
on what he asked for. Side note. But I do
think it's in and there's a lot of science that
all the scientific data supports this. I might add that
little boys like different things in terms of you know,
how they play and their toys and everything, then little girls.
And it's not. You know, oh, if only we gave
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them gender neutral clothing, this wouldn't happen. Okay, side note,
but hot, okay, back to hot wheels because buckets buck
has been has been weaving the story here a little bit.
Back to hot wheels. Here's what we've got. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,
she said she made a hot wheels joke. And I
don't do the pear clutching thing. I don't think any
(19:07):
of you do it. You know, we look it's inappropriate.
It's a gross thing to say. But you know, Governor
Abbot's running the Great State of Texas. And you know,
he's an incredible success story, and you know, I don't
think he's up at night upset about this, right, I mean,
you know he's he's a big, successful, powerful.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Guy, and you know, it's it's gross things that I
be wearing. I would be wearing a governor hot wheels, teacher.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I agree with you that that leaning into it, that
you know, if he decided to get like flames painted
on the side of his wheelchair or something that actually
really really funny, right, yes, yeah, like if he just
leans into it, because yeah, obviously you know, he's overcome
a tremendous challenge in his life, but he's done so
with with amazing success and and you know we we
we know and like the Governor Texas is a good guy.
(19:52):
So anyway, she said that which was not good. Okay,
it was not as it was not. It was a
it was a nasty and dumb thing to say. Not
a surprise coming from Congresswoman Crockett.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And then she put this out Clay and I'm quoting here.
This is her justification or her rationalization or what I
want to hear this I have not seen. This is
first time for Clay, So you're getting this in real time.
I think a lot of you will be getting this
in real time. Quote. I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition.
I was thinking about the planes, trains, and automobiles he
(20:24):
used to transfer migrants into communities led by black mayors,
deliberately stoking tension and fear among the most vulnerable. Literally,
the next line I said was that he was a
hot ass mess, referencing his terrible policies. At no point
did I mention or allude to his condition. So I'm
(20:45):
even more appalled that the very people who unequivocally support Trump,
a man known for his racially insensitive nicknames and mocking
those with disabilities, are now outraged. Clay. One, she didn't
write this. Two who, No one believes this. She doesn't
believe it. Her supporters don't believe it. We don't believe it.
(21:07):
What is she doing? I just I don't think she's
very intelligent. I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
We said that about AOC. I think AOC is a
next level smarter than Jasmine Crocket. I just I don't
know who the Jasmine Crockett constituency is. I understand that
she has a congressional district. I presume, if our team
can look it up, I presume that it is one
of the congressional districts that the state of Texas has
(21:37):
basically loaded with Democrats right. Unfortunately, to a large extent,
most congressional districts are not actually that competitive. There's four
hundred and thirty five of them nationwide. I think there's
about thirty that in any given year now can swing
one direction or the other. Both parties have jerry mander
to such an extent that they have guaranteed themselves the
(22:00):
maximum number of seats in the states that they control,
and they have stuffed a lot of Democrats in seats,
or they've stuffed a lot of Republicans in seats. So
I'm guessing Jasmine Crockett is representing one of those seats,
and so there is no requirement that she in any
way be a reasonable person. Having said that, I encourage
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her to keep talking. I think that every time Jasmine
Crockett opens her mouth, Republicans gain more supporters and she
doesn't gain anyone.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And this is not a spot you want to be in.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It can be simultaneously the case that it's for her
career to be saying the things that she's saying because
she is in a safe seat in the state of Texas,
I think the Houston area somewhere, and she can't be
removed because she's seen as a powerful person in Democrat politics.
But it can also be the case that she is
(22:57):
lighting on fire her ability, her ability to grow the
overall Democrat party by the way, uh Dallas not Houston
area district. And I just encourage her to keep talking.
And that is I mean, that's when you're attacked. The
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basic pr move now is to pivot on your attack
and immediately double and triple down on the attack that
you made in the first first place. So she immediately
goes after Trump for being racist and whatever, it's enophobic,
whatever she wants to accuse him of. But everybody knows,
I mean, the governor is in a wheelchair. Do you
really you don't think if she's too dumb to recognize
(23:40):
that calling him governor hot wheels is like, let's presume
it might actually be worse than being a nasty person,
who would who would make fun of that kind of additionability,
She would actually be so dumb that she wouldn't even
conceive of like no, no light bulb goes off in
her head when she's like, he's literally in a wheelchair
and you're mocking him him using wheels. I mean, come on,
(24:02):
like that's she If she's truly that dumb, it's even
worse almost.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The pivot you talked about, the pr pivot. Was it
Harvey Weinstein, if memory serves this is like a decade ago,
who said, when the allegations came out about him, I'm
going to dedicate myself to fighting the NRA. Was it
Harvey Weinstein who did that? I think that's really funny,
which was one of the It was like, it was like,
excuse me, I was not sexually assaulting all these women,
(24:30):
and I'm going to redouble my efforts against the NRA.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Was it Kevin Spacey who came out for the first
time is gay. As soon as he got charged with
sexually inappropriate behavior, somebody came out.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, there was the governor. The governor of New Jersey
had a I had like I think it was his
And again, guys, I'm going on memory. I don't remember everything.
I think it was his lover. He was married to
a woman and I think had kids. Mcgreevy's gay. And
then came out and said I am a gay American
(25:02):
when he had gotten his like boyfriend basically some senior
level six figure job, like a no show job in
the Jersey state government, and it turned into this whole scandal. Guys. Facts. Sorry,
we're throwing a lot of fact checks at you. In
real time. I think Joe Harvey Weinstein was the one
who pulled the NRA thing, which was just like it's
it's like, hey, hey, hey, I know everyone's thinking that
(25:24):
i did all these terrible things to women, but I'm
going to write a check to fight the NRA right now,
And that was supposed to get him out of it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, and a lot of people did the This is
probably years and years ago, but you remember anytime you
did something bad, you just went to rehab.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Like for in.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Hollywood, the number one move for like twenty years was
oh so and so did so and so, and you're like, yeah,
I'm just going to rehab.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, that doesn't really happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's like we don't give the rehab card the same way,
so now it is very odd. Like I think it
was Kevin Spacey who was like, you know, actually I'm
gay and I'm just being targeted because I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh, by the way, I actually nailed it with the
recall of this one. I pulled this one up Clay
Harvey Weinstein. This is back in. I said it was
a decade ago.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, twenty seventeen, so basically a decade ago. He said,
this is amazing. Remember this guy was accused. I mean
he's serving time I think still, or I think he
one of his convictions got overturned, but he has served
time for rape. I'm not sure what the current adjudication
of his cases is, but he went to prison for
a long time. But when this was all coming out,
(26:35):
he said, this is true. I've decided that I'm going
to give the NRA my full attention. He is determined
to quote channel his anger toward the National Rifle Association.
That was really his pivot, that was his go to.
(26:55):
It's like, hey, I know you think that I'm a
rapist or I've been charged by women on the record
and by law enforcement with sexual assault, but I really
hate the NRA, so let's focus on what matters here. Now.
That didn't work for him, But I just think that
that may be the most outlandish pivot of that kind
I can remember, but uh, Jasmine Krockett pulling the oh,
(27:15):
I wasn't making fun of governor hot wheels in a wheelchair.
By the way, Trump is really bad. What does that
have to do with anything? Correct, with anything. It's a
very predictable pivot.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But again, I love your idea of him putting flames
on actually be really funny.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
For his next press conference.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
If he came out with the hot wheels flames on
his wheels, I would definitely wear the governor hot wheel
I mean, I don't think it's a bad nickname, honestly,
like and it definitely throws it back in her face
and makes it very funny. I think that would I
think that would be phenomenal. I would encourage the governor
to take that move because I think even people who
don't like Greg Abbott would respect the sense of humor
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that he is showing. And obviously he's a very accomplished guy.
And to your point, I mean a tree fell on
him when he was out. I think jogging in his
in his twenties a horrible access awful.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So yeah, yeah, ta.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Kevin spacey Buck did also come out as gay as
soon as he was accused of sexual misconduct. It's like, oh,
by the way, guys, I'm gay, you know, like, well, okay,
but you were accused of sexual misconduct.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That was That was That's very I feel like we
can look back now at this at the rise of
Remember they used to talk about intersectionality all the time. Yeah,
which is the pseudo scientific description of a society that's
just all these interlocking oppressed groups, right, and there's this
hierarchy of oppression and everyone's appressed. We don't don't even
(28:48):
use the term really anymore. But with the rise of intersectionality,
there was the oh, I'm in trouble. I have to
retreat into the bunker of my oppressed group as fast
as possible. That's that was the move right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But gay people, even like even gay people on the
Kevin Spacey thing were like, no, this is way that
you get to come out and be like, I'm being
targeted because he was accused remember Buck initially of sleeping
with a fourteen year old boy.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I think no, no, I think I no, no, I
think it was I think it was making a move on.
I don't think I maybe here, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Let's see, well anyway, he was accused of something back
and sexual advances.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's sexual advances. Yeah he did not. Actually then there's
a distinction there, but there he did anyway, Yeah, he uh,
he completed. He also has always. I don't think he
ever was charged with anything, was he he's always I
think he beat the charges in England. Oh, that's right,
in England. Yeah, so he was always Yeah, but yes
he did do he did do the pivot all right. Look,
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Speaker 2 (31:25):
Welcome back in nour number two, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the program. We'll take some of your calls.
We'll continue to react to everything, and we bring in
now our good friend Bill O'Reilly. Next book comes out
in September, Confronting Evil, Assessing the worst of the Worst,
and he's got a Three Americans Live show with Stephen A.
(31:49):
Smith and Chris Cuomo in Westbury, New York. It is
this Sunday. Tickets available at Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill,
we appreciate you coming on. How big of a story
do you think the signal controversy is? How long does
it go on? What is your analysis right now?
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Pretty much over today unless there's another revelation, so we
know what happened. You know, Walls inadvertently screwed up his
communications on this internet site, and this weasel Jeffrey Goldberg
got on the site and got the information. Big mistake,
(32:32):
not a scandal. If I were President Trump, I wouldn't
fire anybody, certainly embarrassing. If it happens again, then he
has to fire a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I think that's totally correct, though I totally agree with that. Bill,
Thanks for being here with us. The one part of
this that I think is interesting is or are there
a few things that have come out of this, but
one of them is, what do you think are the
ethics of a journalist in this case getting access? Do
(33:03):
you think that he plays the I'm a journalist, so
I should just find out whatever I can card or
given that it's national security, which by his own admission
is high level stuff impending strike, he should have ducked
out of it. I mean, what do you think is
the right move? Quite honestly, if you were advising somebody
who came to you and said, hey, I'm in this
chat and they're talking about some stuff they shouldn't, what
(33:25):
would you tell them to do?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
All right? As the Dean of American journalism, that's me
fifty years this year in the business, getting paid fifty years.
So I'm appointing myself the dean of American journalism. If
it or men I got on a thread accidentally as
a reporter, I would take notes, all right. I would
(33:53):
get the information because that's what reporters do. And Goldberg,
I don't think that anything deceitful, but I'm not entirely sure,
and I'm going to make a point about that in
a moment. But as far as the reporter is concerned.
His or her duty is to assemble information, and this
(34:13):
would be something that drops in your lap and you're going, WHOA,
I'm going to listen to this, Okay, So that's not
any kind of violation of journalistic ethics or anything else.
Then you have to decide what to do with the information.
Now here it becomes a little bit murky. If lives
(34:34):
are in danger, if military actions compromise, certainly you cannot
release it cannot until after the fact, and I believe
that's what Goldbert did. So this all happened on March fifteenth, right,
so he was shutting a fine line, no doubt. And
(34:56):
the FBI should be interviewing him. I don't know what
cash Fatilla is, but agents should have interviewed him on
Monday just to find out, you know, what the dews happen. Right?
Does that make sense to everybody? Why wouldn't you be
Jeffrey Gober be interviewed by the FBI. I don't believe
that's happened. That has nobody knows about it. It should. Finally,
(35:22):
the importance of the story is that if you are
going to depend on the Internet for vital national security communications,
the Chinese and Russians are going to be your best friends.
So all these people should have known better, all of them.
(35:44):
It's a lot of inexperience in that national security room,
as we all know, and I pointed that out before
these appointments were made. So there we go.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
So what do you think? You said?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You think the story's basically over. President Trump certainly has
no love lost for the national security experts out there
demanding that people be fired after they raided his home
and tried to put him in prison for the rest
of his life for classified documents. Trump seems to be
totally behind his team right now. Through sixty days, there
(36:18):
have been very few leaks. I mean, this was, as
Buck and I have talked about, not only an error,
but an error that actually was probably the worst person
you could have put on the text thread, right because
I don't think most people would have behaved in the
way necessarily that Jeffrey Goldberg has. But we're through sixty days.
(36:39):
You think this story is going to go away? What
grade would you give President Trump? Bill O'Reilly? Right now
through the first couple of months of Trump two point zero.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Okay, So you're not just grading him on this incident,
you're grading him off correct the performance. So I actually
have asked this question on Steven ah Smith podcast Monday,
and thank you for mentioning the live show that we're
doing on Sunday at West very Long Island. And I
give Trump various grades. So he gets an A plus
(37:13):
on the border, yep, he gets a B plus on
the deportations of criminal aliens. I think that Holman, who
I had on my program that it spent news yesterday,
has got to be a little bit more methodical about
who's getting booted out of here and why. So I
(37:35):
bet I get a B plus. The tariffs, I'm giving
him a C and an incomplete because we do not
know how that's going to work out, and it's spooked
the stock market, so some people got hurt in the
short term. I tell all my listeners and viewers do
not react to political things in a stock market, just
ride it out. And there isn't for me. By the way,
(38:00):
that is coming in. I think it was one of
the Arab states, Gulf states investing a trillion dollars in
American economy, and that's not reported by the corrupt press.
So there is big money coming into the United States,
which will bolster the economy. But right now people are
(38:23):
confused about tariffs. It is a confusing situation, and so
I'm giving them a c there as far as overall
demeanor is concerned. As you guys probably know, I was
in a cabinet meeting in the White House on Saint
Patrick's day. He was totally in command. I think he's
doing the right thing with Putin, even though Putin is
on the cover of my upcoming book Confronting Evil. Putin
(38:46):
is evil, but you got to deal with evil sometimes.
And I think they're going to get some kind of
seas fire in Ukraine. That's big. Overall, I would say
President Trump is having a successful launch into his second term.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
We're trying to Bill o'reiley. Oh sorry, I just want
to Bill. I want to ask you. You mentioned the
live show coming up with Stephen A. There's a different
kind of live show that's been happening lately, a road
show of sorts with Bernie Sanders and AOC. It's like
the socialist elder statesman trying to pass the torch to
the woke, radical leftist. You know, this is this the
(39:28):
future of the Democrat Party? You think are they going
to lead into this. You know, how do you see
that playing out? Because they have, as we've discussed with
you before, the bench. They can tell us all day
it's strong. Their bench is not strong right now.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Well, if they continue on this way, and you're throwing
Maxine Waters saying that Malania and Trump may not be
a citizen, you throw in that Crockett woman in Texas
who is mocking Greg Abbott in a wheelchair. You put
that all in one soup bowl, and Americans are going
(40:07):
this party is disintegrating. With a thirty percent approval rating,
You're going to have two communists go out and do
a tour. Sanders is a hardcore communist. He wants to
see his private property. O cassio Quot says, I don't
think understands the difference between socialism and communism. Could be wrong,
and I don't want to be super silly as word
(40:29):
of the day. She went to the same college I
went to Boston University. But I don't think she understands
economics at all. I think she's just a trendy person
who goes and says what she thinks for radical left
followers want to hear. But Santers is a dangerous man.
He's dangerous. And I don't know whether most Americans understand
(40:49):
that Uncle Bernie is a hardcore communist, but certainly, when
you promote a wealth tax where the government would come
into your home and private property under the guise of taxation,
you're a communist. That's what communism is. So if the
Democratic Party putting their future in the hands of those
(41:12):
four people, then it's done.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I don't know if you saw this, Lebron James, since
you were gonna be with Steven A. Smith and you
just did his podcast, Lebron James just went on ESPN
and really kind of took a two by four to
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I don't know if you saw this, but he mocked
him over the way that he has You know, they
had a confrontation of sorts on the court, and he
mocked him over the way that he has covered it.
You have seen Stephen A. Smith be engaging more and
more in politics. Do you buy the idea that he
(41:53):
might ever do anything in terms of actually running for office.
You're doing this tour with him now, I'm sure you'll
talk about the on feud a little bit, but what
is his ind game here? He's now got one hundred
million dollar contract from ESPN, He's gonna theoretically have more
money than he could theoretically spend. I say theoretically because
there's a lot of people out there who have made
(42:14):
a hundred million dollars crazily and end up going bankrupt somehow.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
So that's still out there. But what do you think
the next move for stephen A.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Is Well, I don't think he's gonna run for politics
anytime soon. He's in his fifties. When he gets in
his sixties, who probably have enough of calling Cleveland Cavalier games.
And maybe he'll say, and he's a very smart guy.
I think he's honest. I've seen nothing to the contrary.
(42:41):
I'm gonna take his measure on Sunday. You know, Cuomo
and Smith, they better be on their game. They're coming
up against me, the Dan of American journalism, self appointed
of course. But anyway, lebron James, when he was yelling
at stephen A. Smith initially was doing so as a
(43:05):
father and I understand that because Smith mocked his son,
Bronnie James, who might not be ready for prime time yet.
As on the Lakers, it is a neppo situation. But
I understand that by yelling at Smith on the sideline
that then Lebron James pulled his groin and was out
(43:25):
for two weeks. So maybe maybe that's something. But you know,
these kinds of feuds, a lot of them are artificial,
and they helped the feuders. Yes, Lebron James is an
attention junkie loves it, and I think Steven A likes
the attention as well.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Bill, do you still have some tickets to sell for
this live event? Where do folks go to get them?
Speaker 7 (43:47):
You know, it's a really nice crowd, but we just
released fifteen VIP tickets where after the show you get
to meet me and Cuomo and Smith. Now why anyone
whould want to do that, I don't know, But they
sold out fast and first, so we scrounged up fifteen
(44:07):
more and then we you know, Westbury, I don't know
if you guys have been there. It's really a good theater.
It's not a bad seat in the place. It's got
a big audio visual and I already have the topics
that we're going to talk about with the Q and
A from the audience. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
And but they're gonna be serious things that we mentioned
(44:28):
as well. So if anybody wants a good afternoon Sunday afternoon,
go to Bill O'Reilly dot com link. You're right over Ticketmaster,
Westbury Music Fare all of that. And I appreciate you guys,
mentioned he it's very kind of you to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
Am I what?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Sorry, that's what happens. You got two guys doing this sometimes.
He said, keep up the good work. And I said,
we appreciate you coming on, Uncle Bill always welcome here.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
I appreciate you having me, guys.
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That's Bill O'Reilly.
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Speaker 1 (46:56):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. The signal
fire storm is dying out. That's the good news. I
think it's dying down. We've seen it all now and
or I think we've seen it all and people are
going to move on to other stuff here soon. But
government's still talking about at the very top level. So
we'll bring you the latest on it in just moments ago.
Pete hegseath here, Secretary of Defense Hegsathy. Wait, it's kind
(47:19):
of amaze. Whenever I say that, I'm just like wow,
Secretary of Defense hegseeth I remember, dude, we were on
the blaze together. I actually can't tell you a quick
story about Secretary of Defense head es he is uh,
he is a A. He's a brave fellow, and not
just for the serving his country in the warzone. Reason.
We had a I think it was a sponsor who
(47:43):
came in at one point and it was a it
was a water filtration system, but you know, something you
could carry with you for like camping or something. Right,
it was a little water filtration device. And Pete and
again this is this was people knew what we talked
about this on the show. This isn't like some you know,
behind the scenes a big thing. But Pete was like,
(48:04):
I really want to try this out. And we were like, yeah, okay,
like go put you know, go do some tap water
or something. He went out to the curb in New
York City where there was a puddle oh god, and
he poured the puddle water into the filtration system and
drink it to test whether or not it worked. And
(48:26):
he was fine, I hope it worked. But I mean,
that's that's you're that's trusting your product. They offer the
He he was like it was it was actually him
and Will Kate. If you ask Will Kate, he was there.
He'll remember this too, you know. Will and him are
good friends. And I don't know. I don't know if
Will I should I should ask. I don't know if
we'll drank it. I don't remember, but I remember what
do you think When they were like, Buck, will you
try it? It's like absolutely not, sir, do you think
(48:48):
I'm a barbarian? But Pete was. He was drinking that water,
no problem, and I remember I was just like, my
he was fine. So the system worked, but man, I
was not going to be the guinea pig for for
that one. So anyway, and now now he Secretary of Defense,
all right, Secretary Defense, tag Seth. That was a decade ago.
Secretary Defense, Take Seth. Here he is and he's talking
(49:10):
about the truth of the signal chat playing.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Nobody's texting war plans.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Well, I noticed this.
Speaker 9 (49:15):
Morning out came something that doesn't look like war plans.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
And as a matter of fact, they even changed the title.
Speaker 9 (49:21):
To attack plans because they know it's not war plans.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
There's no units, no locations.
Speaker 9 (49:28):
No routes, no flight paths, no sources, no.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Methods, no classified information. You know who sees war plans?
I see them every single day.
Speaker 9 (49:39):
I looked at him this morning. I looked at attack
plans this morning. You know who does attack plans and
war plans. Men like that Admiral right there, Paparo for
the Indo Pacific or Eric Krilla are general in Sentcom.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
They do attack plans and war plans, And.
Speaker 9 (49:55):
Thank god we had those leaders who do it and
do it well, and I know it. My job, as
it said at top of that, everybody's seen it now,
Team Update is to provide updates in real time general
updates in real time.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Keep everybody in form. That's what I did.
Speaker 10 (50:13):
There.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
You have it, Clay. That is the absolute latest.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I think that this story hopefully is over again unless
there is more that has not been released from the
text exchange that they are going to continue to milk
at the Atlantic. So that is going on. There's also
this buck which is pretty funny. The NPR executive had
to testify on Capitol Hill today and I wanted to
(50:40):
play this for you because I was watching it. This
just happened earlier today during the show. The NPR exec
Catherine Maher. I think, I'm not sure how exactly you
pronounced her last name, but she has a history. I
remember seeing these of insanely woke, of insanely woke tweet
(51:00):
and she was confronted about them. This is about a
minute and a half. This is Congressman Brandon Gill of
Texas bringing up all of her old tweets about America
being addicted to white supremacy.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Why in the world are we giving any money at
all to NPR. Listen to what this sounded like.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?
Speaker 10 (51:25):
I believe that I tweeted that and as I've said earlier.
I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the
last half decade.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Do you think the white people should pay reparations?
Speaker 10 (51:34):
I have never said that, sir.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Yes you did. You said it in January of twenty twenty.
You tweeted yes, the North, yes, all of us, Yes, America, yes,
our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations, yes
on this day.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.
Speaker 8 (51:51):
What kind of reparations was it a reference to.
Speaker 10 (51:53):
I think it was just a reference to the idea
that we all owe much to the people who came
before us.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
How much reparations have you for paid, sir?
Speaker 10 (52:02):
I don't believe that I've ever paid reparations.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Do you believe that looting is morally wrong?
Speaker 10 (52:07):
I believe that looting is illegal, and I refer to
it as counterproductive. I think it should be prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Do you believe it's morally wrong?
Speaker 8 (52:13):
Though?
Speaker 10 (52:13):
Of course?
Speaker 8 (52:14):
Of course, then why did you refer to it as counterproductive?
The very different, very different way to describe it.
Speaker 10 (52:20):
It is both morally wrong and counterproductive, as well as.
Speaker 8 (52:23):
Being be tweeted. It's hard to be mad about protests
in reference to the BLM protests not prioritizing the private
property of a system of oppression. You didn't condemn the looting,
you said that it was counter productive. NPR also promoted
a book called in Defensive Looting. Do you think that
that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 10 (52:45):
I'm unfamiliar with that book, sir, and I don't believe
that was at my tweeted that.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
You read that book.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I mean, the level of whies these people are under oath,
you would think that they would be very well prepared
for being questioned about what they have said in public.
I just this has to happen this time. I know
people have been talking about it for a long time.
Why in the world does one red cent of our
(53:13):
tax dollars go to NPR. I've never heard anybody explain
to me why that makes sense. This show isn't funded
by the government, It's funded by our advertisers. We are
out here talking to a large audience because you respond
to us. We're competing within PR. Why would the government
(53:36):
be picking favorites and giving NPR millions and millions of
dollars to help subsidize their programming that otherwise can't pay
for itself, and we're not getting that same benefit, and
we shouldn't. Your taxpayer dollars shouldn't be coming to Clay
and Puck. We are advertisers, We've got a business. They
really it has to happen now because if they can't
(53:59):
shut off the fund funding spigot for NPR now, Buck,
they're never going to do it.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
They're just going to keep talking about it forever. This
just becomes a spoils system that continues on with more
and more rapacious and greedy jockeying for access to the
government spoils until it's unsustainable mathematically, and then we have
a financial reset, perhaps a financial collapse. We really don't
(54:27):
want to go there. This has happened in other places
in other countries or nations and parts of history, and
it gets really ugly. We don't want that. So whether
anyone's willing to be serious about that now, it is
a mathematical certainty that that is what we will get to.
If we can take matters seriously now, we can prevent that.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Buck, here is we were having some fun. You and
President Trump have the exact same opinion on George Clooney.
This is on this very program July twelve, twenty twenty four,
the day before he was almost assassinated. You know, you
and I almost had the final interview with President Trump
if he had been shot on July thirteenth. This is
(55:11):
Trump calling George Clooney a third rate movie actor. Listen,
do you follow kind of this palace intrigue. It's really
kind of wild. In the two weeks since you knocked
him out in the debate, I mean, they have just
spun completely out of control.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
And I've been reading that Barack Obama, George.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Clooney comes out and says, hey, you got to drop out.
Can you believe how much of a dumpster fire they
are right now?
Speaker 6 (55:34):
Well, I thought George Clooney was very disloyal, because whether
you like Biden or not, you know, he's been nice
to Cloney. I thought it was very disloyal, backstabber, a
third rate movie actor. He was a television actor and
never made really a good movie, and.
Speaker 7 (55:51):
So he's sort of third rate.
Speaker 6 (55:53):
He goes as a movie actor pluck gable, he's not.
And you know, but I thought it was a I
thought it was a great act of disloyalty.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
I'm gonna have two things here, Clay. First of all,
amazing recall from you. I did not remember this response
from Trump. And then the second part of this is
he's had so many other things one hundred percent cuts
right to the heart of it. Spot on George Clooney,
one of the most overrated actors of his generation, and
Joe you on top of it. I love that you
(56:23):
and Trump had the same opinion. So if I go
see this Broadway play of George Clooney, you think I'm
making an awful h a awful entertainment decision. I don't
know Sidney Sweeney in it. I mean it depends with
many factors. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
The comments on the Sydney Sweeney snow white idea are
a gold mine if you want to be just laughing.
We'll read a few of those for you when we
come back. We'll also Caroline Levitt had a White House
press briefing. By the way, I think Trump is doing
a briefing press conference at for Eastern, So there's no
(57:01):
talent how that's going to go.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
That's a podforn moment. Caroline was handling the press. Here
we have it. We have a SoundBite for doing this
just as we were all in the air. Let's see, uh,
what kind of mood she's in today? Play it.
Speaker 8 (57:14):
Does the President feel that he was misled by his
national security advisors, whoever it was that told him there
was no classified information in there?
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Now that he's seen these messages.
Speaker 8 (57:22):
I've now been asked to answer this question three times
by the both of you, and I've given you my answer.
The President feels the same today as he did yesterday.
Speaker 10 (57:29):
Okay, phil And I'm sorry I might follow up on
what you had.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Just go ahead, Philip, I mean when I'm not taking.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Your follow up, I have a follow on something you
just said, though, Caroline.
Speaker 5 (57:36):
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Speaker 1 (57:42):
Hey, look at that just there clapping it down. Caroline.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
You know, I spent a lot of time with Caroline
over the weekend and Buck, you and I started having
Carolina on the show, and she was running for Congress
in New Hampshire and at the age of twenty six.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
We saw talent. We saw talent early. We even tried
to be honest. We'll just say we're going to bring
her into Clay and Buck podcast now it's at one point,
and then they offered her the job of being campaign
spokesman for Trump, and she's like, I think I gotta
do that, and we're like, God, blessed, go do that.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
That's a good move, no doubt. And you know, she's
got an eight month old. I feel like sometimes this
just gets lost in the in the conversation. If there
were a Democrat White House Press secretary performing as ably
as right now Caroline Levitt Is and she had an
eight month old baby, she would be girl boss slave queen.
(58:34):
You would not be able to avoid positive coverage. And
I saw I was reading the other day the Washington
Post just ripped Caroline to shreds for working for Trump.
I mean, I do think the double standards, Like think
about how hard it for those of you, Buck, you're
about to be in this boat.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
For those of you who have had you know.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Infants, babies, Imagine having a baby while having one of
the most ingy jobs in America. I really do think
that's true White House Press secretary, where everybody is looking
for every single word that you say, dissecting it, trying
to rip you to shreds all the time, doing both
those things so ably at the same time, and yet
(59:16):
there's almost zero positive coverage about her Compared to if
she were working at a Democrat administration, she would be
one of the most praised people in all of the
news media. It's just the disconnect between how she's being
treated is pretty crazy, and I do think it's worthy
of taking note for all of you out there.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Caroline's killing it, doing a great job. Let me tell you, Buck,
what was it?
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Welcome in everybody. Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off.
Now a lot to talk to you about. Thanks for
joining us here. We've got we got more on this
whole signal chat thing. Will work you through some of this.
I think increasingly clear that they're making a mountain out
of a molehill a tempest than a teapot. It's one
(00:23):
thing to say, Okay, it's not great, we got to
fix this. It's another thing to say, oh my gosh,
how could we ever ever trust these people ever again?
That they just hate Trump and everybody who works for them,
So we have to keep that in mind. We will
discuss though the latest details that more chat isn't interesting.
Claim a day ago Jeffrey Goldberg is, oh, I don't
(00:44):
know if I can release this stuff, it's so sensitive.
And then he releases it today. What a big surprise,
almost like this is all a political hit and not
really having anything to do with national security, which I
will also point out was not harmed in this. I
talked to you yesterday about the classification system and how
it is all built upon perceived possible harm like Top
(01:06):
Secret would be grave, grave damage to US national security interests.
Confidential is moderate damage to US national security interests. It's
an imprecise thing. This is more art than science in
a lot of ways. But well, we'll give you the
details on this, because I don't want your angry neighbor
when you're trimming the hedges or whatever or mowing the
(01:28):
law and to be able to shadow. Did you see
you about the signal chat? And you're like, no, I
didn't see. We'll tell you about it so you'll know. Also,
we are enjoying the spectacular downfall of Disney with more
from the snow White megaflop that is underway right now.
The IMDb ratings, the finger pointing has begun Clay about
(01:51):
who is to blame for this thing to be such
a mess, So that is to be something that we
will dive into. And then we've got Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett
play I'm sure you saw this after calling Governor Abbott
hot wheels. Governor Abbot, who is wheelchair bound because of
(02:11):
a tragic accident, has been for I don't know fifty years,
forty years now. She says that she was not referring
to him in a wheelchair, that that had nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's first of all, I admire the blatant lie because
it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What is her exploit? Have any I didn't even see this?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
What is her explanation for what she was referring to
if she wasn't referring to him being in a wheelchair?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Do you want me to tell you now? Or should
we keep our audience on the edge of their seats
and get you to see genuinely have no idea. I'm
curious what the spin is here. I have not seen this.
I think you'll have to stay with us to the
bottom of the hour, and I will tell you what.
It's all a good tease. I'm not going to be
able to leave, you know. I want you guys to
stay with us here. Let's start with this. We had
the DNI Telci Gabbard, and I keep telling you this
(02:59):
because it's true. The best thing she can do is
to fix the eye of the intelligence community to the
best of her ability and then come forward and say
that there should no longer be a DNI because they
shouldn't because it's absurd. But that's not policy's fault. She's
doing a great job. She spoke this morning about the
signal chat situation, and here is what she said, play
(03:20):
cup one.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
It was a mistake that a reporter was inadvertently added
to a signal chat with high level national security principles
having a policy discussion about imminent strikes against the Huthis
and the effects of the strike. National Security Advisor has
taken full responsibility for this, and the National Security Council
is conducting an in depth review along with technical experts
(03:42):
working to determine how this reporter was inadvertently added to
this chat. The conversation was candid and sensitive, but as
the president National Security Advisor stated, no classified information was shared.
There were no sources, methods, locations, or war plans that
were shared. This was a standard update to the National
Security Cabinet that was provided alongside updates that were given
(04:06):
to foreign partners in the region.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Clay, this is an internal, senior level, a senior level
deliberation of national security officials in the government. Somehow an
American journalist got access to it, and I think it's
just an oversight in error, one that will not be replicated.
And I'm already kind of tired of talking about it,
but I just don't want to let anybody leave anybody
(04:31):
in the lurch with the ability to get attacked by
Oh but did you see the latest or did you
see more? But this is a this is a political hit.
They've had nothing to attack Trump with other than the
stock market went down today, the price of eggs is high,
and so now they're doing this. I don't think we're
talking about this by Monday of next week, and that's
the way that it should be.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So the one thing I will say is it definitely
feels more and more calculated to me the way that
this has been released, because they're trying to turn it
into a multi day story as opposed to a one
day story. So yesterday's story was, oh, my goodness, can
(05:12):
you believe this happened? I guess it was actually the
day before yesterday, right, This initially happened on Monday afternoon,
if I remember correctly. But after we were off the
air Tuesday we talked about it, that seemed to kind
of have died down and basically ended. And then this
morning more of the text change text chain is released,
(05:33):
and I wonder if Goldberg is keeping more of the
text chain to try to have a third bite at
the apple, so to speak, to keep the story getting
a lot of attention. I think in general, the fact
that the reporter was added to the chat it makes
it look more incompetent than malicious, if that makes sense.
(05:57):
And I also think that one reason this is not
going to I agree with you in terms of how
many days it's going to go on, But one reason
it's not going to be a never ending, multi day
story is because there was no hypocrisy by and large
in what we've seen so far on the text chain
(06:17):
that was released publicly that is different than really what
people would say privately.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And usually these stories blow up.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
In a big way when we become aware that what
was being said publicly was very different than what was
being discussed privately. And we've seen, for instance, a lot
of the emails around COVID, when you saw the scientists
privately expressing doubts about, for instance, the lab leak and
whether it might have happened, or whether COVID was created
(06:46):
in a lab as opposed to coming from an animal.
But then when they all went out in public, they
uniformly said, oh, there's no basis whatsoever for anything other
than this one story. I do think that trumping out
and basically shutting it down has also gone a long
way towards towards limiting the fallout. And of anybody out there,
(07:09):
who do you think trust the national security experts less
than Donald Trump? Right now, after these same guys with
we talked about this, the FBI raided his house and
took out all these supposedly classified documents, and then we
didn't talk about it a lot. But just a few
weeks ago they gave him all back to him.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Did you notice when he was on air Force air
Force one a couple of weeks ago, but also on
Marine one, they were carrying boxes which were the papers
that they had seized that they were going to try
to put him in prison for the rest of his
life for having. Oh, by the way, now they've given him.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Back to him.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I just think that that capstone to this story did
not get a lot of attention. If these papers are
so dangerous. I know, he's the president of the United States. Again,
theoretically he could declassify anything if he wants, but I
think he recognizes that a lot of this is bureaucratic
rigmarole in the way that it talks. Let me also
(08:08):
add this, I don't think the average American cares that much, right.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I think if you're a.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Diehard propagandist partisan on the left, you're super fired up
about this story. The average person in America today, I
don't think that there would be anyone out there that
is obsessively following this. Who is the middle of the
road voter or just a regular person.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I think the people who are particularly critical of this
in public, again, it's a mistake, there's no question they've
admitted that it's a mistake. But nothing bad happened, right,
The no harm, no foul principle should apply to things
like this, just like it does everything else in life.
The strikes happened the who thi's? And if people say
(08:55):
huti and huthi by the way, and it has to
do with the transliteration from the Arabic Modern Standard Arabic
has something closer to a th sound for English speakers,
but in the Arabic dialect, I believe in Yemen it's
more like a tea. So just if I switch back
and forth, everybody switches back and forth. Clay says hoodie,
I say houthy d and I Gabbert said huthy. Because
(09:16):
I know we're gonna get the pronunciation. Police. I know
you're out there. I know you're cruising around with your
aviators on and your State trooper hat, you know, drinking
your drinking your black coffee, and just looking out there
waiting for somebody to mess up the pronunciation. So I
am well aware of the differentiation between HOODI and Huthy.
But Clay, none of this stuff is big. Nothing happened. Look,
(09:41):
the problem that I have had in the back of
my mind with this, or the thing that could become
a problem is if Jeffrey Goldberg had something really sensitive
in there that shouldn't be in a signal chat and
they've lied about it by saying there's nothing sensitive, and
then he drops that that was my It doesn't seem
(10:01):
like that's going to happen right now based on the chat.
We've all read the chat logs now they've been released,
unless he's holding something back and setting a trap for
the people that were coming forward to speak about this.
But you know, you asked us, okay, what what happened?
The strike occurred. There's no reason to believe the strike
didn't happen exactly as planned. What's the problem, right, I mean,
(10:23):
you know you ask yourself that question, and there's really
no answer to it. Uh And and I think that
that tells you all you need to know about this.
The the I don't know how Jeffrey Goldberg got added it.
Somebody added him, Okay, like that. I don't like being
talked to like we're idiots. There's a little, a little
tiny bit of that coming around on some of this stuff,
like we don't know we need to have the smartest
(10:44):
tech minds. No, you guys, someone mistakenly added a journalist
and they meant to add somebody else. Okay, let's not
let's not do this thing. Where is the Atlantic hacking
into the Atlantic, which is run by and and you know,
full of staffed by imbeciles, is not hacking into signal
with top principles of the United States government national security complex.
(11:06):
Somebody made an oopsie, nothing bad happened. Don't make another oopsie.
And the Democrats are doing what they always do, which
is just find some way to make this all about
attacking the people in charge because they don't like them.
That's that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
One thing I have thought about this, and I agree
with a lot of that. How many different other signal
chats are currently underway on the group text chain. In
other words, if we've got one dealing with the UTI
bombing that's going to be taking place, are there ten
(11:44):
other group chats? This is one thing I am thinking about,
And are we certain that everybody on those group chats
is who they're supposed to be, because I don't think that.
For the first time ever, they just had I think
it was an eighteen person group chat related to this
particular incident. I would think based on the way these
guys are communicating that they are regularly communicating in general.
(12:07):
So how many other group chats are out there? I
think that's one of the steps that will be taken next.
And hopefully there's no branking a journalist on them.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But this is fine, Clay. National security officials are human
beings who have to operate in the real world as well.
They speak on open lines. They I was just on
the phone at the CIA yesterday. Don't even get me
started trying to get my book through the review process.
I am how's that going about? I am very very
unhappy with them, But that's a whole other conversation. They're
(12:35):
blaming elon now we can't get anything done, you know anyway,
I don't want to get into it. I don't want
to get into it. It's very very frustrating, very frustrating
over there. But when you're when you're on an open line,
I mean you you can speak to people on an
open line and you just can't speak about classified and
if you start here, they're just gonna hang up on
you right away. So there there are ways that you know,
(12:59):
you can get in contact with national security officials or
rather the national security officials speak to each other and
you just have normal conversations, right, I mean, or you
speak about things as though you could be recorded, or
you have to assume you're being recorded, you're being intercepted,
and you don't talk about classified stuff. But this is
like the foundation of all operational security. It all comes
(13:22):
down to the individual. There's all these posters and things.
If you go into it, whether it's a military base
or you're in a CIA office, there's you know, operational
security starts with you. Yeah, because you know stuff that
if you shout it out loud, it would be very bad.
So you don't do that, and it's on you to
make sure that the level of classification that you're operating
(13:45):
on or under is attuned to the system you're using.
So open line phone, assume the Russians are listening, and
who cares, right, because then you're assuming they're listening, So clay,
when you're saying other other signal chats, that's not a problem.
There are unclassified emails that go around government officials, right,
the same thing with Hillary and her server. The problem
(14:05):
wasn't that Hillary Clinton ever used unclassified email. The problem
was she only used to unclassified email and had special
Access program data and all kinds of really classified stuff
in there. Right, that was the It's not oh my god,
how could you send an unclassified email about yoga and
chardonnay drinking. It's that she messed it up. So I
don't know that we can assume where we should assume
(14:26):
that anybody messed anything up on any signal chats. But yeah,
this one is not Look, it's not good. I'm gonna
but it's not a big deal. Right, there's not good
and not a big deal. It's in the national security world,
I would say, more like a speeding ticket. And they're
saying that this is more like a mass murder because
they're insane, so well and they need something to attack.
(14:47):
And this is where you've given the opportunity. Of all
the journalists that could have been added on the group chat,
maybe the worst one to add, just just tossing it
out there, that is a very good point. I mean,
to add the national secure quote unquote correspondent or writer,
editor or whatever, who is probably more directly than almost
(15:07):
anybody else, tried to destroy Donald Trump. That's the thing, right,
I mean, if they had added some.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Reporter you were me, we would have been like, hey,
I don't think we're supposed to be I don't think
I'm supposed to be on this, and it would nobody
would have ever known, right, I mean, it's that they
added this guy. He stayed hidden in the chat, saw
all the chats, and he hates Trump. And so they
basically got the worst possible journalists to screw up and
add to the chat, if that makes sense. It's not
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All right, welcome back in so uh, let's talk about
Hot Wheelsgate. Now, first of all, Clay totally separate. But
it does remind me anything that allows me to indulge
my eighties nine. He's nostalgia gets me excited. Were you
ever a Hot Wheels guy when they were a big thing?
Remember the car? Remember on TV? They made it seem
(17:08):
so cool, these toys, and then you'd get them when
you were like six years old, and it didn't go
by itself and it didn't look as cool as it
did on TV.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I was not, but my oldest son was a big
hot wheels kid.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We had a lot of you know, cars for him
to play with. He had the uh, the tracks you
know where you can race cars against each other. He
was of my three boys, the one that that I
remember being the most uh sort of into hot wheels,
and we spent a lot of time playing cars.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I remember my my little nephew who's growing up very fast,
my sister's boy. It's funny because it's one of those
experiments that you didn't mean to run, but you see
it in real time. He just likes so many other
little boys. This is just in the whole gender you know,
what's gender normative everything else. He loves trucks and dinosaurs. Yep.
(18:02):
And what I think is that no one ever told
him you need to like trucks, you know, like dump
trucks and and you know, and like like construction kind
of trucks. He is, he's got all these toys everywhere.
He's you know, three years old now, and dinosaurs. He
knows more about dinosaurs than I do. And I actually
think I was pretty good. You know, he was talking
about like pacisephio loris or something. I don't even know that.
(18:24):
But the boys like things that boys like at a
young age, you know, and it's different. He's not sitting
there playing with little tea sets, and it's just based
on what he asked for. Side note. But I do
think it's in and there's a lot of science that
all the scientific data supports this. I might add that
little boys like different things in terms of you know,
how they play and their toys and everything, then little girls.
And it's not. You know, oh, if only we gave
(18:45):
them gender neutral clothing, this wouldn't happen. Okay, side note,
but hot, okay, back to hot wheels because buckets buck
has been has been weaving the story here a little bit.
Back to hot wheels. Here's what we've got. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett,
she said she made a hot wheels joke. And I
don't do the pear clutching thing. I don't think any
(19:07):
of you do it. You know, we look it's inappropriate.
It's a gross thing to say. But you know, Governor
Abbot's running the Great State of Texas. And you know,
he's an incredible success story, and you know, I don't
think he's up at night upset about this, right, I mean,
you know he's he's a big, successful, powerful.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Guy, and you know, it's it's gross things that I
be wearing. I would be wearing a governor hot wheels, teacher.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I agree with you that that leaning into it, that
you know, if he decided to get like flames painted
on the side of his wheelchair or something that actually
really really funny, right, yes, yeah, like if he just
leans into it, because yeah, obviously you know, he's overcome
a tremendous challenge in his life, but he's done so
with with amazing success and and you know we we
we know and like the Governor Texas is a good guy.
(19:52):
So anyway, she said that which was not good. Okay,
it was not as it was not. It was a
it was a nasty and dumb thing to say. Not
a surprise coming from Congresswoman Crockett.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And then she put this out Clay and I'm quoting here.
This is her justification or her rationalization or what I
want to hear this I have not seen. This is
first time for Clay, So you're getting this in real time.
I think a lot of you will be getting this
in real time. Quote. I wasn't thinking about the governor's condition.
I was thinking about the planes, trains, and automobiles he
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used to transfer migrants into communities led by black mayors,
deliberately stoking tension and fear among the most vulnerable. Literally,
the next line I said was that he was a
hot ass mess, referencing his terrible policies. At no point
did I mention or allude to his condition. So I'm
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even more appalled that the very people who unequivocally support Trump,
a man known for his racially insensitive nicknames and mocking
those with disabilities, are now outraged. Clay. One, she didn't
write this. Two who, No one believes this. She doesn't
believe it. Her supporters don't believe it. We don't believe it.
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What is she doing? I just I don't think she's
very intelligent. I mean, and.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
We said that about AOC. I think AOC is a
next level smarter than Jasmine Crocket. I just I don't
know who the Jasmine Crockett constituency is. I understand that
she has a congressional district. I presume, if our team
can look it up, I presume that it is one
of the congressional districts that the state of Texas has
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basically loaded with Democrats right. Unfortunately, to a large extent,
most congressional districts are not actually that competitive. There's four
hundred and thirty five of them nationwide. I think there's
about thirty that in any given year now can swing
one direction or the other. Both parties have jerry mander
to such an extent that they have guaranteed themselves the
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maximum number of seats in the states that they control,
and they have stuffed a lot of Democrats in seats,
or they've stuffed a lot of Republicans in seats. So
I'm guessing Jasmine Crockett is representing one of those seats,
and so there is no requirement that she in any
way be a reasonable person. Having said that, I encourage
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her to keep talking. I think that every time Jasmine
Crockett opens her mouth, Republicans gain more supporters and she
doesn't gain anyone.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And this is not a spot you want to be in.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It can be simultaneously the case that it's for her
career to be saying the things that she's saying because
she is in a safe seat in the state of Texas,
I think the Houston area somewhere, and she can't be
removed because she's seen as a powerful person in Democrat politics.
But it can also be the case that she is
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lighting on fire her ability, her ability to grow the
overall Democrat party by the way, uh Dallas not Houston
area district. And I just encourage her to keep talking.
And that is I mean, that's when you're attacked. The
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basic pr move now is to pivot on your attack
and immediately double and triple down on the attack that
you made in the first first place. So she immediately
goes after Trump for being racist and whatever, it's enophobic,
whatever she wants to accuse him of. But everybody knows,
I mean, the governor is in a wheelchair. Do you
really you don't think if she's too dumb to recognize
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that calling him governor hot wheels is like, let's presume
it might actually be worse than being a nasty person,
who would who would make fun of that kind of additionability,
She would actually be so dumb that she wouldn't even
conceive of like no, no light bulb goes off in
her head when she's like, he's literally in a wheelchair
and you're mocking him him using wheels. I mean, come on,
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like that's she If she's truly that dumb, it's even
worse almost.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The pivot you talked about, the pr pivot. Was it
Harvey Weinstein, if memory serves this is like a decade ago,
who said, when the allegations came out about him, I'm
going to dedicate myself to fighting the NRA. Was it
Harvey Weinstein who did that? I think that's really funny,
which was one of the It was like, it was like,
excuse me, I was not sexually assaulting all these women,
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and I'm going to redouble my efforts against the NRA.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Was it Kevin Spacey who came out for the first
time is gay. As soon as he got charged with
sexually inappropriate behavior, somebody came out.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Well, there was the governor. The governor of New Jersey
had a I had like I think it was his
And again, guys, I'm going on memory. I don't remember everything.
I think it was his lover. He was married to
a woman and I think had kids. Mcgreevy's gay. And
then came out and said I am a gay American
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when he had gotten his like boyfriend basically some senior
level six figure job, like a no show job in
the Jersey state government, and it turned into this whole scandal. Guys. Facts. Sorry,
we're throwing a lot of fact checks at you. In
real time. I think Joe Harvey Weinstein was the one
who pulled the NRA thing, which was just like it's
it's like, hey, hey, hey, I know everyone's thinking that
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i did all these terrible things to women, but I'm
going to write a check to fight the NRA right now,
And that was supposed to get him out of it.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, and a lot of people did the This is
probably years and years ago, but you remember anytime you
did something bad, you just went to rehab.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Like for in.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Hollywood, the number one move for like twenty years was
oh so and so did so and so, and you're like, yeah,
I'm just going to rehab.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, that doesn't really happen anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's like we don't give the rehab card the same way,
so now it is very odd. Like I think it
was Kevin Spacey who was like, you know, actually I'm
gay and I'm just being targeted because I'm gay.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh, by the way, I actually nailed it with the
recall of this one. I pulled this one up Clay
Harvey Weinstein. This is back in. I said it was
a decade ago.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, twenty seventeen, so basically a decade ago. He said,
this is amazing. Remember this guy was accused. I mean
he's serving time I think still, or I think he
one of his convictions got overturned, but he has served
time for rape. I'm not sure what the current adjudication
of his cases is, but he went to prison for
a long time. But when this was all coming out,
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he said, this is true. I've decided that I'm going
to give the NRA my full attention. He is determined
to quote channel his anger toward the National Rifle Association.
That was really his pivot, that was his go to.
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It's like, hey, I know you think that I'm a
rapist or I've been charged by women on the record
and by law enforcement with sexual assault, but I really
hate the NRA, so let's focus on what matters here. Now.
That didn't work for him, But I just think that
that may be the most outlandish pivot of that kind
I can remember, but uh, Jasmine Krockett pulling the oh,
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I wasn't making fun of governor hot wheels in a wheelchair.
By the way, Trump is really bad. What does that
have to do with anything? Correct, with anything. It's a
very predictable pivot.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But again, I love your idea of him putting flames
on actually be really funny.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
For his next press conference.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
If he came out with the hot wheels flames on
his wheels, I would definitely wear the governor hot wheel
I mean, I don't think it's a bad nickname, honestly,
like and it definitely throws it back in her face
and makes it very funny. I think that would I
think that would be phenomenal. I would encourage the governor
to take that move because I think even people who
don't like Greg Abbott would respect the sense of humor
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that he is showing. And obviously he's a very accomplished guy.
And to your point, I mean a tree fell on
him when he was out. I think jogging in his
in his twenties a horrible access awful.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So yeah, yeah, ta.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Kevin spacey Buck did also come out as gay as
soon as he was accused of sexual misconduct. It's like, oh,
by the way, guys, I'm gay, you know, like, well, okay,
but you were accused of sexual misconduct.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
That was That was That's very I feel like we
can look back now at this at the rise of
Remember they used to talk about intersectionality all the time. Yeah,
which is the pseudo scientific description of a society that's
just all these interlocking oppressed groups, right, and there's this
hierarchy of oppression and everyone's appressed. We don't don't even
(28:48):
use the term really anymore. But with the rise of intersectionality,
there was the oh, I'm in trouble. I have to
retreat into the bunker of my oppressed group as fast
as possible. That's that was the move right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But gay people, even like even gay people on the
Kevin Spacey thing were like, no, this is way that
you get to come out and be like, I'm being
targeted because he was accused remember Buck initially of sleeping
with a fourteen year old boy.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So I think no, no, I think I no, no, I
think it was I think it was making a move on.
I don't think I maybe here, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Let's see, well anyway, he was accused of something back
and sexual advances.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's sexual advances. Yeah he did not. Actually then there's
a distinction there, but there he did anyway, Yeah, he uh,
he completed. He also has always. I don't think he
ever was charged with anything, was he he's always I
think he beat the charges in England. Oh, that's right,
in England. Yeah, so he was always Yeah, but yes
he did do he did do the pivot all right. Look,
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Speaker 2 (31:25):
Welcome back in nour number two, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us as we
are rolling through the program. We'll take some of your calls.
We'll continue to react to everything, and we bring in
now our good friend Bill O'Reilly. Next book comes out
in September, Confronting Evil, Assessing the worst of the Worst,
and he's got a Three Americans Live show with Stephen A.
(31:49):
Smith and Chris Cuomo in Westbury, New York. It is
this Sunday. Tickets available at Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill,
we appreciate you coming on. How big of a story
do you think the signal controversy is? How long does
it go on? What is your analysis right now?
Speaker 7 (32:10):
Pretty much over today unless there's another revelation, so we
know what happened. You know, Walls inadvertently screwed up his
communications on this internet site, and this weasel Jeffrey Goldberg
got on the site and got the information. Big mistake,
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not a scandal. If I were President Trump, I wouldn't
fire anybody, certainly embarrassing. If it happens again, then he
has to fire a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I think that's totally correct, though I totally agree with that. Bill,
Thanks for being here with us. The one part of
this that I think is interesting is or are there
a few things that have come out of this, but
one of them is, what do you think are the
ethics of a journalist in this case getting access? Do
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you think that he plays the I'm a journalist, so
I should just find out whatever I can card or
given that it's national security, which by his own admission
is high level stuff impending strike, he should have ducked
out of it. I mean, what do you think is
the right move? Quite honestly, if you were advising somebody
who came to you and said, hey, I'm in this
chat and they're talking about some stuff they shouldn't, what
(33:25):
would you tell them to do?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
All right? As the Dean of American journalism, that's me
fifty years this year in the business, getting paid fifty years.
So I'm appointing myself the dean of American journalism. If
it or men I got on a thread accidentally as
a reporter, I would take notes, all right. I would
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get the information because that's what reporters do. And Goldberg,
I don't think that anything deceitful, but I'm not entirely sure,
and I'm going to make a point about that in
a moment. But as far as the reporter is concerned.
His or her duty is to assemble information, and this
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would be something that drops in your lap and you're going, WHOA,
I'm going to listen to this, Okay, So that's not
any kind of violation of journalistic ethics or anything else.
Then you have to decide what to do with the information.
Now here it becomes a little bit murky. If lives
(34:34):
are in danger, if military actions compromise, certainly you cannot
release it cannot until after the fact, and I believe
that's what Goldbert did. So this all happened on March fifteenth, right,
so he was shutting a fine line, no doubt. And
(34:56):
the FBI should be interviewing him. I don't know what
cash Fatilla is, but agents should have interviewed him on
Monday just to find out, you know, what the dews happen. Right?
Does that make sense to everybody? Why wouldn't you be
Jeffrey Gober be interviewed by the FBI. I don't believe
that's happened. That has nobody knows about it. It should. Finally,
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the importance of the story is that if you are
going to depend on the Internet for vital national security communications,
the Chinese and Russians are going to be your best friends.
So all these people should have known better, all of them.
(35:44):
It's a lot of inexperience in that national security room,
as we all know, and I pointed that out before
these appointments were made. So there we go.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
So what do you think? You said?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You think the story's basically over. President Trump certainly has
no love lost for the national security experts out there
demanding that people be fired after they raided his home
and tried to put him in prison for the rest
of his life for classified documents. Trump seems to be
totally behind his team right now. Through sixty days, there
(36:18):
have been very few leaks. I mean, this was, as
Buck and I have talked about, not only an error,
but an error that actually was probably the worst person
you could have put on the text thread, right because
I don't think most people would have behaved in the
way necessarily that Jeffrey Goldberg has. But we're through sixty days.
(36:39):
You think this story is going to go away? What
grade would you give President Trump? Bill O'Reilly? Right now
through the first couple of months of Trump two point zero.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
Okay, So you're not just grading him on this incident,
you're grading him off correct the performance. So I actually
have asked this question on Steven ah Smith podcast Monday,
and thank you for mentioning the live show that we're
doing on Sunday at West very Long Island. And I
give Trump various grades. So he gets an A plus
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on the border, yep, he gets a B plus on
the deportations of criminal aliens. I think that Holman, who
I had on my program that it spent news yesterday,
has got to be a little bit more methodical about
who's getting booted out of here and why. So I
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bet I get a B plus. The tariffs, I'm giving
him a C and an incomplete because we do not
know how that's going to work out, and it's spooked
the stock market, so some people got hurt in the
short term. I tell all my listeners and viewers do
not react to political things in a stock market, just
ride it out. And there isn't for me. By the way,
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that is coming in. I think it was one of
the Arab states, Gulf states investing a trillion dollars in
American economy, and that's not reported by the corrupt press.
So there is big money coming into the United States,
which will bolster the economy. But right now people are
(38:23):
confused about tariffs. It is a confusing situation, and so
I'm giving them a c there as far as overall
demeanor is concerned. As you guys probably know, I was
in a cabinet meeting in the White House on Saint
Patrick's day. He was totally in command. I think he's
doing the right thing with Putin, even though Putin is
on the cover of my upcoming book Confronting Evil. Putin
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is evil, but you got to deal with evil sometimes.
And I think they're going to get some kind of
seas fire in Ukraine. That's big. Overall, I would say
President Trump is having a successful launch into his second term.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
We're trying to Bill o'reiley. Oh sorry, I just want
to Bill. I want to ask you. You mentioned the
live show coming up with Stephen A. There's a different
kind of live show that's been happening lately, a road
show of sorts with Bernie Sanders and AOC. It's like
the socialist elder statesman trying to pass the torch to
the woke, radical leftist. You know, this is this the
(39:28):
future of the Democrat Party? You think are they going
to lead into this. You know, how do you see
that playing out? Because they have, as we've discussed with
you before, the bench. They can tell us all day
it's strong. Their bench is not strong right now.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
Well, if they continue on this way, and you're throwing
Maxine Waters saying that Malania and Trump may not be
a citizen, you throw in that Crockett woman in Texas
who is mocking Greg Abbott in a wheelchair. You put
that all in one soup bowl, and Americans are going
(40:07):
this party is disintegrating. With a thirty percent approval rating,
You're going to have two communists go out and do
a tour. Sanders is a hardcore communist. He wants to
see his private property. O cassio Quot says, I don't
think understands the difference between socialism and communism. Could be wrong,
and I don't want to be super silly as word
(40:29):
of the day. She went to the same college I
went to Boston University. But I don't think she understands
economics at all. I think she's just a trendy person
who goes and says what she thinks for radical left
followers want to hear. But Santers is a dangerous man.
He's dangerous. And I don't know whether most Americans understand
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that Uncle Bernie is a hardcore communist, but certainly, when
you promote a wealth tax where the government would come
into your home and private property under the guise of taxation,
you're a communist. That's what communism is. So if the
Democratic Party putting their future in the hands of those
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four people, then it's done.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I don't know if you saw this, Lebron James, since
you were gonna be with Steven A. Smith and you
just did his podcast, Lebron James just went on ESPN
and really kind of took a two by four to
Steven A.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Smith.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
I don't know if you saw this, but he mocked
him over the way that he has You know, they
had a confrontation of sorts on the court, and he
mocked him over the way that he has covered it.
You have seen Stephen A. Smith be engaging more and
more in politics. Do you buy the idea that he
(41:53):
might ever do anything in terms of actually running for office.
You're doing this tour with him now, I'm sure you'll
talk about the on feud a little bit, but what
is his ind game here? He's now got one hundred
million dollar contract from ESPN, He's gonna theoretically have more
money than he could theoretically spend. I say theoretically because
there's a lot of people out there who have made
(42:14):
a hundred million dollars crazily and end up going bankrupt somehow.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
So that's still out there. But what do you think
the next move for stephen A.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
Is Well, I don't think he's gonna run for politics
anytime soon. He's in his fifties. When he gets in
his sixties, who probably have enough of calling Cleveland Cavalier games.
And maybe he'll say, and he's a very smart guy.
I think he's honest. I've seen nothing to the contrary.
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I'm gonna take his measure on Sunday. You know, Cuomo
and Smith, they better be on their game. They're coming
up against me, the Dan of American journalism, self appointed
of course. But anyway, lebron James, when he was yelling
at stephen A. Smith initially was doing so as a
(43:05):
father and I understand that because Smith mocked his son,
Bronnie James, who might not be ready for prime time yet.
As on the Lakers, it is a neppo situation. But
I understand that by yelling at Smith on the sideline
that then Lebron James pulled his groin and was out
(43:25):
for two weeks. So maybe maybe that's something. But you know,
these kinds of feuds, a lot of them are artificial,
and they helped the feuders. Yes, Lebron James is an
attention junkie loves it, and I think Steven A likes
the attention as well.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Bill, do you still have some tickets to sell for
this live event? Where do folks go to get them?
Speaker 7 (43:47):
You know, it's a really nice crowd, but we just
released fifteen VIP tickets where after the show you get
to meet me and Cuomo and Smith. Now why anyone
whould want to do that, I don't know, But they
sold out fast and first, so we scrounged up fifteen
(44:07):
more and then we you know, Westbury, I don't know
if you guys have been there. It's really a good theater.
It's not a bad seat in the place. It's got
a big audio visual and I already have the topics
that we're going to talk about with the Q and
A from the audience. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
And but they're gonna be serious things that we mentioned
(44:28):
as well. So if anybody wants a good afternoon Sunday afternoon,
go to Bill O'Reilly dot com link. You're right over Ticketmaster,
Westbury Music Fare all of that. And I appreciate you guys,
mentioned he it's very kind of you to do it.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Keep up the good work.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
Am I what?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Sorry, that's what happens. You got two guys doing this sometimes.
He said, keep up the good work. And I said,
we appreciate you coming on, Uncle Bill always welcome here.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (44:54):
I appreciate you having me, guys.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
That's Bill O'Reilly.
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Speaker 1 (46:56):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. The signal
fire storm is dying out. That's the good news. I
think it's dying down. We've seen it all now and
or I think we've seen it all and people are
going to move on to other stuff here soon. But
government's still talking about at the very top level. So
we'll bring you the latest on it in just moments ago.
Pete hegseath here, Secretary of Defense Hegsathy. Wait, it's kind
(47:19):
of amaze. Whenever I say that, I'm just like wow,
Secretary of Defense hegseeth I remember, dude, we were on
the blaze together. I actually can't tell you a quick
story about Secretary of Defense head es he is uh,
he is a A. He's a brave fellow, and not
just for the serving his country in the warzone. Reason.
We had a I think it was a sponsor who
(47:43):
came in at one point and it was a it
was a water filtration system, but you know, something you
could carry with you for like camping or something. Right,
it was a little water filtration device. And Pete and
again this is this was people knew what we talked
about this on the show. This isn't like some you know,
behind the scenes a big thing. But Pete was like,
(48:04):
I really want to try this out. And we were like, yeah, okay,
like go put you know, go do some tap water
or something. He went out to the curb in New
York City where there was a puddle oh god, and
he poured the puddle water into the filtration system and
drink it to test whether or not it worked. And
(48:26):
he was fine, I hope it worked. But I mean,
that's that's you're that's trusting your product. They offer the
He he was like it was it was actually him
and Will Kate. If you ask Will Kate, he was there.
He'll remember this too, you know. Will and him are
good friends. And I don't know. I don't know if
Will I should I should ask. I don't know if
we'll drank it. I don't remember, but I remember what
do you think When they were like, Buck, will you
try it? It's like absolutely not, sir, do you think
(48:48):
I'm a barbarian? But Pete was. He was drinking that water,
no problem, and I remember I was just like, my
he was fine. So the system worked, but man, I
was not going to be the guinea pig for for
that one. So anyway, and now now he Secretary of Defense,
all right, Secretary Defense, tag Seth. That was a decade ago.
Secretary Defense, Take Seth. Here he is and he's talking
(49:10):
about the truth of the signal chat playing.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Nobody's texting war plans.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Well, I noticed this.
Speaker 9 (49:15):
Morning out came something that doesn't look like war plans.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
And as a matter of fact, they even changed the title.
Speaker 9 (49:21):
To attack plans because they know it's not war plans.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
There's no units, no locations.
Speaker 9 (49:28):
No routes, no flight paths, no sources, no.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Methods, no classified information. You know who sees war plans?
I see them every single day.
Speaker 9 (49:39):
I looked at him this morning. I looked at attack
plans this morning. You know who does attack plans and
war plans. Men like that Admiral right there, Paparo for
the Indo Pacific or Eric Krilla are general in Sentcom.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
They do attack plans and war plans, And.
Speaker 9 (49:55):
Thank god we had those leaders who do it and
do it well, and I know it. My job, as
it said at top of that, everybody's seen it now,
Team Update is to provide updates in real time general
updates in real time.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Keep everybody in form. That's what I did.
Speaker 10 (50:13):
There.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
You have it, Clay. That is the absolute latest.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I think that this story hopefully is over again unless
there is more that has not been released from the
text exchange that they are going to continue to milk
at the Atlantic. So that is going on. There's also
this buck which is pretty funny. The NPR executive had
to testify on Capitol Hill today and I wanted to
(50:40):
play this for you because I was watching it. This
just happened earlier today during the show. The NPR exec
Catherine Maher. I think, I'm not sure how exactly you
pronounced her last name, but she has a history. I
remember seeing these of insanely woke, of insanely woke tweet
(51:00):
and she was confronted about them. This is about a
minute and a half. This is Congressman Brandon Gill of
Texas bringing up all of her old tweets about America
being addicted to white supremacy.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Why in the world are we giving any money at
all to NPR. Listen to what this sounded like.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy?
Speaker 10 (51:25):
I believe that I tweeted that and as I've said earlier.
I believe much of my thinking has evolved over the
last half decade.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Do you think the white people should pay reparations?
Speaker 10 (51:34):
I have never said that, sir.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Yes you did. You said it in January of twenty twenty.
You tweeted yes, the North, yes, all of us, Yes, America, yes,
our original collective sin and unpaid debt. Yes, reparations, yes
on this day.
Speaker 10 (51:48):
I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.
Speaker 8 (51:51):
What kind of reparations was it a reference to.
Speaker 10 (51:53):
I think it was just a reference to the idea
that we all owe much to the people who came
before us.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
How much reparations have you for paid, sir?
Speaker 10 (52:02):
I don't believe that I've ever paid reparations.
Speaker 8 (52:05):
Do you believe that looting is morally wrong?
Speaker 10 (52:07):
I believe that looting is illegal, and I refer to
it as counterproductive. I think it should be prosecuted.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Do you believe it's morally wrong?
Speaker 8 (52:13):
Though?
Speaker 10 (52:13):
Of course?
Speaker 8 (52:14):
Of course, then why did you refer to it as counterproductive?
The very different, very different way to describe it.
Speaker 10 (52:20):
It is both morally wrong and counterproductive, as well as.
Speaker 8 (52:23):
Being be tweeted. It's hard to be mad about protests
in reference to the BLM protests not prioritizing the private
property of a system of oppression. You didn't condemn the looting,
you said that it was counter productive. NPR also promoted
a book called in Defensive Looting. Do you think that
that's an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 10 (52:45):
I'm unfamiliar with that book, sir, and I don't believe
that was at my tweeted that.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
You read that book.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
I mean, the level of whies these people are under oath,
you would think that they would be very well prepared
for being questioned about what they have said in public.
I just this has to happen this time. I know
people have been talking about it for a long time.
Why in the world does one red cent of our
(53:13):
tax dollars go to NPR. I've never heard anybody explain
to me why that makes sense. This show isn't funded
by the government, It's funded by our advertisers. We are
out here talking to a large audience because you respond
to us. We're competing within PR. Why would the government
(53:36):
be picking favorites and giving NPR millions and millions of
dollars to help subsidize their programming that otherwise can't pay
for itself, and we're not getting that same benefit, and
we shouldn't. Your taxpayer dollars shouldn't be coming to Clay
and Puck. We are advertisers, We've got a business. They
really it has to happen now because if they can't
(53:59):
shut off the fund funding spigot for NPR now, Buck,
they're never going to do it.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
They're just going to keep talking about it forever. This
just becomes a spoils system that continues on with more
and more rapacious and greedy jockeying for access to the
government spoils until it's unsustainable mathematically, and then we have
a financial reset, perhaps a financial collapse. We really don't
(54:27):
want to go there. This has happened in other places
in other countries or nations and parts of history, and
it gets really ugly. We don't want that. So whether
anyone's willing to be serious about that now, it is
a mathematical certainty that that is what we will get to.
If we can take matters seriously now, we can prevent that.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
Buck, here is we were having some fun. You and
President Trump have the exact same opinion on George Clooney.
This is on this very program July twelve, twenty twenty four,
the day before he was almost assassinated. You know, you
and I almost had the final interview with President Trump
if he had been shot on July thirteenth. This is
(55:11):
Trump calling George Clooney a third rate movie actor. Listen,
do you follow kind of this palace intrigue. It's really
kind of wild. In the two weeks since you knocked
him out in the debate, I mean, they have just
spun completely out of control.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
And I've been reading that Barack Obama, George.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Clooney comes out and says, hey, you got to drop out.
Can you believe how much of a dumpster fire they
are right now?
Speaker 6 (55:34):
Well, I thought George Clooney was very disloyal, because whether
you like Biden or not, you know, he's been nice
to Cloney. I thought it was very disloyal, backstabber, a
third rate movie actor. He was a television actor and
never made really a good movie, and.
Speaker 7 (55:51):
So he's sort of third rate.
Speaker 6 (55:53):
He goes as a movie actor pluck gable, he's not.
And you know, but I thought it was a I
thought it was a great act of disloyalty.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
I'm gonna have two things here, Clay. First of all,
amazing recall from you. I did not remember this response
from Trump. And then the second part of this is
he's had so many other things one hundred percent cuts
right to the heart of it. Spot on George Clooney,
one of the most overrated actors of his generation, and
Joe you on top of it. I love that you
(56:23):
and Trump had the same opinion. So if I go
see this Broadway play of George Clooney, you think I'm
making an awful h a awful entertainment decision. I don't
know Sidney Sweeney in it. I mean it depends with
many factors. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
The comments on the Sydney Sweeney snow white idea are
a gold mine if you want to be just laughing.
We'll read a few of those for you when we
come back. We'll also Caroline Levitt had a White House
press briefing. By the way, I think Trump is doing
a briefing press conference at for Eastern, So there's no
(57:01):
talent how that's going to go.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
That's a podforn moment. Caroline was handling the press. Here
we have it. We have a SoundBite for doing this
just as we were all in the air. Let's see, uh,
what kind of mood she's in today? Play it.
Speaker 8 (57:14):
Does the President feel that he was misled by his
national security advisors, whoever it was that told him there
was no classified information in there?
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Now that he's seen these messages.
Speaker 8 (57:22):
I've now been asked to answer this question three times
by the both of you, and I've given you my answer.
The President feels the same today as he did yesterday.
Speaker 10 (57:29):
Okay, phil And I'm sorry I might follow up on
what you had.
Speaker 1 (57:31):
Just go ahead, Philip, I mean when I'm not taking.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
Your follow up, I have a follow on something you
just said, though, Caroline.
Speaker 5 (57:36):
That's Caitlin regarding there for taking your follow up, Philip,
go ahead, I have called you.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
Hey, look at that just there clapping it down. Caroline.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
You know, I spent a lot of time with Caroline
over the weekend and Buck, you and I started having
Carolina on the show, and she was running for Congress
in New Hampshire and at the age of twenty six.
Speaker 1 (57:56):
We saw talent. We saw talent early. We even tried
to be honest. We'll just say we're going to bring
her into Clay and Buck podcast now it's at one point,
and then they offered her the job of being campaign
spokesman for Trump, and she's like, I think I gotta
do that, and we're like, God, blessed, go do that.
Speaker 2 (58:10):
That's a good move, no doubt. And you know, she's
got an eight month old. I feel like sometimes this
just gets lost in the in the conversation. If there
were a Democrat White House Press secretary performing as ably
as right now Caroline Levitt Is and she had an
eight month old baby, she would be girl boss slave queen.
(58:34):
You would not be able to avoid positive coverage. And
I saw I was reading the other day the Washington
Post just ripped Caroline to shreds for working for Trump.
I mean, I do think the double standards, Like think
about how hard it for those of you, Buck, you're
about to be in this boat.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
For those of you who have had you know.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
Infants, babies, Imagine having a baby while having one of
the most ingy jobs in America. I really do think
that's true White House Press secretary, where everybody is looking
for every single word that you say, dissecting it, trying
to rip you to shreds all the time, doing both
those things so ably at the same time, and yet
(59:16):
there's almost zero positive coverage about her Compared to if
she were working at a Democrat administration, she would be
one of the most praised people in all of the
news media. It's just the disconnect between how she's being
treated is pretty crazy, and I do think it's worthy
of taking note for all of you out there.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Caroline's killing it, doing a great job. Let me tell you, Buck,
what was it?
Speaker 2 (59:41):
Thirty eight I got right and thirty seven you got
right In the NCAA tournament so far, record right on
his heels. I'm hot on his heels everyone. I've got
a one game lead. Record ratings highest rated in CBA
tournament since nineteen ninety two. Some are saying that's entirely
because Buck Sexton has filled out a bracket. Have become
aware that the NCAA Tournament now exists. People are watching
(01:00:03):
it like crazy. Tomorrow starts to Sweet sixteen. I have
got picks for all of you all right, here is
the winner, Buck for prize picks. This is for Thursday
and Friday. I believe Cooper Flag. They've got a free
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(01:00:26):
maybe the best player in the tournament overall. He's going
to score more than one half point. You have to
get this in the next twenty four hours. It is
effectively a free square like on bingo. You can't lose
that one then tomorrow, sorry Friday. Zachai Ziggler, point guard
for Tennessee game against Kentucky. He's going to have more
than eleven and a half points. And then Walter Clayton,
(01:00:49):
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