March 28, 2025 • 57 mins
the guys dive into a packed agenda, starting with the critical Wisconsin State Supreme Court race. They discuss the implications of the election with nominee Judge Brad Shimel, emphasizing the potential impact on congressional redistricting and the slim Republican majority in the House. The hosts also highlight the importance of holding the line in Florida's 6th district, with a special mention of an upcoming interview with the contender for that seat. The hour continues with a lively discussion on the latest interview by Brett Baier with Elon Musk, focusing on Musk's efforts to reduce government waste and fraud through his DOGE initiative. The conversation touches on the staggering amounts of waste uncovered and the broader implications for government efficiency. Clay and Buck also reflect on the motivations behind Musk's and Trump's efforts to improve the country for future generations. DOGE engineer on the reality of Social Security fearmongering and fraud. The DMV. The Ukraine War. DOGE staffer Steve Davis with the receipts. Buck's schoolmate was on the panel with Elon talking with Bret Beier. Clay and Buck dive into the critical Wisconsin State Supreme Court race with Judge Brad Schimel, WI State Supreme Court Nominee. They discuss the high stakes of this election, emphasizing its impact on congressional redistricting and the balance of power in the House. Judge Schimel highlights the national attention the race has garnered, including endorsements from prominent figures like President Trump, and the significant financial support from out-of-state donors for his opponent. He stresses the importance of voter turnout, particularly among Trump supporters, to secure a victory. The conversation also covers broader implications for Wisconsin, including potential changes to voter integrity laws, the balance of power between legislative and executive branches, and the future of Act 10, which limits the negotiating powers of public employee unions. Judge Schimel outlines his commitment to ending the reign of activist judges and restoring objectivity to the court. Steve Hilton joins the show to talk about his new book "Califailure: Reversing the Ruin of America's Worst-Run State” which critiques the governance of California under Democratic leadership. Hilton outlines the state's numerous issues, including high poverty rates, expensive housing, and poor business climate, attributing these problems to far-left policies. He also discusses the potential for political change in California, citing recent electoral successes by Republicans in local races as a sign of growing dissatisfaction with the status quo.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Friday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show
kicks off now and we are fired up this Friday.
We've got a lot going on. Give you a little
bit of a roadmap. We've got the Wisconsin State Supreme
Court nominee Brad Schimmel joining us in the second hour.
It's a big deal up in Wisconsin because if the
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left winds control of the state Supreme Court there, they're
going to redraw congressional maps. We're going to lose a
couple of congressional seats, and as you know, we've only
got a three seat majority right now, so it is
a big deal that we hold the line in Wisconsin.
Also got to hold the line in Florida's sixth where
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Mike Waltz gave up his seat. We're going to have
on that contender on Monday. Try to get the word out,
and that really is all of you. All we can
do is blast this out across the country onto our
five hundred and fifty wonderful affiliate stations, as one does.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Clay was great.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I walked out of the gym this morning and this
guy without even breaking stride because I was hustling to
get back to the studio and he's going by me
and he just puts his hand up for high five.
He goes, I love clam buck Man. Awesome, keep going
like he knew I was on the way. So I
got a high five here in South Florida. I love
it down here. Florida, you are beautiful. Is a great place,
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and it's all hands on deck in Florida six. To
make sure we don't give up that seat. We've also
got Kirk Cameron joining. We'll talk to him about entertainment,
Disney Wokeness going into a particularly rough period here, which
is fantastic. And Steve Hilton, buddy of ours, on his
new book on the collapse of California. So we're stacked.
(01:41):
We got a ton. I don't even mentioned this one
yet though, the deep dive that Brett Baar did last
night on Fox News. We'll get into this right away
because you need to know what's going on. There's some
very important insights, but also additional details about what the
plan is here, right so what have they found? But
also how long is Elon going to be doing this?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What are the.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Next steps for this? So let's dive into some of this.
So Brett sat down last night with Elon and a
bunch of the senior Doge team and they talked about
a whole range of things. Let's go to cut two here,
I mean, Brett asked him straight up, what is the
most astonishing stuff that you have found as you are
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looking for waste, fraud and abuse in the government?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Cut too?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
The sheer amount of waste importing the government, it is astonishing,
It's mind blowing. Just we were teely encounter wastes of
a billion dollars or more casually, you know, for example,
like the simple survey that was literally ten questions survey
that you could do with survey monkey counshu about ten
thousand dollars was the comment. Was being charged almost a
(02:57):
billion dollars for that for just the survey. A billion
dollars for a simple online survey do you like the
National Park? And then they've hit me no feedback loop
for what would be done with that survey. So let's
say we're just going to nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So much waste to Clay, I really think that we
are not giving Elon Musk enough credit for what he
has decided to do here. Producer Ali was talking about
it off the show earlier. But you're about to have
a baby, you and your wife, Carrie. I've got three
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boys at some point in time. And I know a
lot of you think of us as whipper snappers because
you're in your sixties or seventies and you're listening to us.
But I know that you have been through that evolution,
and some of you are younger than us, and you're
not going to have seen this worldview yet. But at
some point in time, whatever success or failure you might
have in your personal life, whatever trials and tribulations you
(03:53):
might have personally, you start to recognize. And this is
certainly going to be ironic for two guys who gets
sit in front of a microphone and talk about our
lives and our experiences every day, but you start to
recognize that you're not the centrality of the world. People
have this recognition at different points, and that in some way,
(04:14):
your job, I like to think, and I think many
of you have had this recognition realization is to try
and make things better for the people who are younger
than you, that are coming along behind you, your kids,
your grandkids. I think when I see Elon and certainly
when I see Trump, who doesn't need all of this
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at seventy eight years old, a time when most, frankly
seventy eight year olds are just kicking back and relaxing
as best they can in retirement. The only reason that
they're doing what they're doing is because they are trying
to fix what they see as being broken. And here's
the reality. They're not going to live to see the
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full fruition of the changes that they may come into reality.
They're doing it because they want to set the table
for the next generation in a much better place. And
I couldn't stop thinking about that, Buck as I watched
the Doge interview. Credit to Brett Bayer for sitting down
and doing this interview. I don't believe it's possible. Buck.
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If you got ninety five percent of Americans to sit
and watch that whole interview, I think it would be
hard for almost everyone who watches that interview not to
say thank you. You guys are doing things that are
not particularly partisan in nature. You're just trying to spend
all of our money, all of our taxpayer money, in
the most expeditious, sufficient manner possible.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Imagine for a second that the Treasury was on fire.
I mean it was just it had caught fire, and
all of our dollars so to speak as a nation,
were contained in that building, and someone came along and
they were trying.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To put out the fire.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Wouldn't you just say thank you for doing this? No,
what Democrats do is they say, you're wasting too much water.
Why are you focusing on this area? Why all they
do is complain, you know why, because they actually don't
want him to succeed. Elon got into this. This is
cut seven, Clay. We've been making this point here all along,
which is they never tell you what the problem is, right.
(06:19):
They always either lie about something that's not happening, or
they just say in general, this is unconstitutional, unconstitutional, you
want this to continue to happen. Play seven.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Usually when they attack doors, they never attack any of
the specifics, so they'll say what we're doing is somehow
unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well, which line
of the cost savings do you disagree with? And they
can't point to any And we list them all on
doors stuck up and the does handle one x and
you'll see just outrageous things one outrageous thing after another.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They are exposing themselves, the Democrats, all the time, because
they don't want this stuff to happen. They benefit, they
their friends, and there are ideology benefits from this waste.
With all these NGOs and all this nonsense that's been
going on a lot of these government contractors. It is
the great self looking ice cream cone. And they have
completely exposed themselves here. It's like, what, remember, I asked
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Senator Rampaul this yesterday, is there a single Senate Democrat
who actually wants to cut spending? He said no, flatly, No.
They want to take us over the cliff. They do
not want this to stop. They do not want the
fraud to stop, they do not want the debt to
get under control. They're just putting us on a highway
to destruction.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, and I think we should play a bunch of
these cuts again. I give credit to Brett Bayer. I
talked about Elon giving back to the government. He didn't
need this. He's already got Tesla, he's already got SpaceX,
he's already got XAI, he's already got x boring Company.
He's got like five different companies that he's running full time.
But he says he's got about one hundred and thirty
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days through the end of May, and then their goal
is to have reduced that deficit by one trillion dollars.
He says they're on pace to do that. Here's cut eight.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You technically are a special government employee and you're supposed
to be one hundred and thirty days. Are you going
to continue past that or do you think that's what
you're going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Or well, I think we will accomplish most of the
work required to reduce the deficit by trillion dollars within
that time frame.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So in that timeframe one hundred and thirty days, and
the process is a report at some point at one hundred.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Days, or not really a report.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
We are cutting the waste important real time. So every
day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste
prod by four billion dollars a day, every day, seven
days a week, and so far we are succeeding.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Let me also play this buck because you probably are
getting some of this. There's a lot of fear mongering
going on out there, and I understand a lot of
you rely on Social Security if you are past retirement age,
you're over sixty and you're listening to us right now.
There is a great deal of fraud. People try to
take advantage of elderly citizens, as you well know, they
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try to take advantage of everybody. The number of times
that I bet no matter how old you are, something
pops up on your phone. It's a text message, it's
an email, and somebody's basically on a phishing expedition to
try to get your personal private information. It's hard to
know what's real and what's not. They said that one
of the things they've discovered is people who are Social
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Security recipients will get more, not less money because of DOGE.
And also there is just so much dishonesty out there.
Let's listen to Cut five first. This is almost half
of all phone calls every day to Social Security are
from people who are committing fraud, he says, trying to
get information flipped so they can start to steal your
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social Security Cut five.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
The two improvements that we're trying to make to Social
Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits protect them
from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis,
and also make the experience better and I'll give you
one example is a social security One of the first
things we learned is that they get phone calls every
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day of people trying to change direct positive information. So
when you want to change your bank account, you can
call sercial security. We learned forty percent of the phone
calls that they get are from fraudsters.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right, almost have.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That's staggering, buck And it makes sense, right because they
want to get your deposit check direct to their bank
accounts and steal your money. And this is why I
want to just play this again because I do think
it's important. Cut three Musk says we're actually protecting social security.
Don't listen to the fear mongering.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How do you reassure people that what you all are
doing is not going to affect their benefits.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Now, in fact, what we're doing will help with their benefits.
Legitimate people, as a result of the work approach will
receive more social security, not less. When emphasize that as
a result of the work appage, legitimate recipients of social
security will receive more money, not less money. All right,
size that point and let the record show that I
(11:12):
said this and it will be proven out to be true.
Let's check back on this in the future.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I just buck when I kept watching this, the amount
of waste and fraud and just general incompetence. If you
are a business owner, if you're a small business owner,
and you've ever had to make payroll, you've ever had
to run the books to make sure that your business
is working. Our government's never done it, basically for generations.
And there are a lot of people that profit off
(11:41):
of an ossified broken federal government that are lining up
to try to stop the government from being more efficient.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
First of all, I love the use of ossified there.
Second of I think there's a lot of embarrassment and
jealousy among some in the Democrat camp that this is
something that they said they wanted to take on wouldn't
take on. And more and more people are seeing that
(12:10):
it is only Republicans who are serious about this. Again,
to the Rand pallpoint yesterday, Now a single Senate Democrat
wants to cut any spending whatsoever, not a single dollar.
And they've been lying about this, just like they lie
about border security. They've been lying about this for a
long time. And now the American people, anybody who is
being honest and has their eyes open can see this.
(12:30):
I think that there is a sense among it. I've
started to see some saying it. You know, Ezra Kline
has popped up to start to say this, and you're
starting to see the beginnings of Democrats saying, hey, you know,
maybe the fact that we spend forty billion dollars on
on creating more broadband access and we didn't create a
single a single person getting broadband, maybe that's not great.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Did you see John Stewart reacting to all the hoops
that you have to jump through. I mean, it's just
I watched this and it just infuriates me as someone
that is spending a lot of the money that I
would otherwise like to have going in and just being
completely wasted.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, what you're seeing is that the Democrats in the
public mind increasingly with every passing day, with more truth
coming out, the Democrats are the party of the bad
old DMV, where it's a good analoge accountability. Yeah, you're
just suffering. There's waste, nobody cares, there's no accountability, nothing changes.
(13:31):
You can't, you know, just take it, Just sit there
and take it, because you have to. We all hate that, right,
I'm gonna say be honest with the Florida DMV not bad.
They've actually made it. The DMV experience here pretty's. Tennessee's
gotten way better too. Yeah yeah, but I remember my
first driver's license experience in New York City. You know,
I was like sixteen, way back in the day, you know,
(13:52):
or in the nineties, Clay, it was like visiting a
penal colony.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Okay, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Nothing moved fast, Everything was a mess, Everything was unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You're there for like three hours. I mean, the whole
thing was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
The Democrats are the party of that when it comes
to the federal government. That's who they are now, and
they're gonna have to wear that. You know, they're gonna
have to deal with that for a long time. So
we'll get into more of this and just more of
the doged conversation. I mean, this is about saving the
government and saving the country with it. So I think
it's a pretty big deal. We'll get into that and
(14:27):
stay with us. I'm sure of at least three things
right now. The First, President Trump is doing great things
for the country. The second, my bracket is gonna look
better than Clay's come Sunday night. And third you see.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's a little shade. Little shade.
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Welcome back in We are breaking down the key moments
from the excellent interview that Brett Bayrow Fox News did
with Elon Musk and his DOGE team last night. I
watched the entire thing, actually watched back a bunch of
parts of it again. I thought it was so important.
The two biggest things that Trump is doing tackling from
the very beginning of his administration border and illegal aliens
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and then spending DOGE waste fraud abuse. Those are the
two areas practice areas, if you will, that are absolutely essential,
and they have gone after this. We are so just
a quick word here, Clay, I completely agree with you,
and we've been saying this for weeks. We need the
smartest people in this country to tackle the biggest problem
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the country faces. Yes, we can't have everybody who's a billionaire,
you know, self made and some kind of a managerial
or organizational genius go. You know, I just in the
country is going to figure it out. You know, I'll
stash some money overseas, maybe I'll buy some land in
New Zealand. Noah, we need people who are brilliant just
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step up and to fix things. And now that means
some degree of personal sacrifice, but a lot of you
listening like, yeah, buddy, I did you know three combat
tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. Like that's sacrifice, right,
I'm talking about from your perspective obviously not from mine,
but you know that's sacrifices that a lot of you
have made, or you know from your own bio. Whereas
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Elon taking a few months. Yeah, he's got companies, he's
got a lot of people working for him and all
the rest of it. But you know, he's not storming
the beaches of Normandy, is my point. Like, this is
something that he could do and is enormously helpful to
the government, and I don't think it's too much. I'm
very grateful to him, but I'm saying I don't think
it's too much to ask others who have multi, multi
generational wealth that they have accrued in this country, who
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can fix problems and help to do so when they can.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I hope that this is a trend. If you have
a super talent, then I would hope that at some
point in time, you might be willing to share that
talent on behalf of the American public. And Elon Musk
has a super talent in business efficiency, prodigious energy. He said.
In one interview I saw I think friend Ted Kruz.
He said, he sleeps six hours a night and basically works,
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you know, the other eighteen hours. And right now he's
committed basically sleeping in the office of DOGE seven days
a week working to try to make the government more efficient.
And there's been a cost for him. He's been ripped
to shreds. His company has been attacked on a level
frankly that I've never seen a company attacked based on
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the choices made by a CEO in his private life.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I think Clay, it's very clear that anybody who
is burning a tesla because they don't like what Elon
is doing wants the country to burn. They do not
have the most fundamental interests of America as a nation
in their minds at all. They are spiteful, they are hateful.
And the fact that the Democrats aren't far more, Hey, guys,
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knock that crap off tells you a lot about them too.
You know, there's there's a sense of, yeah, Elon, he's abilition.
The fact they go along with this trash Elon thing.
We talked about the climate change aspect of a two
which means they're not serious about that. They don't really care,
just like the virtue signal. Speaking of virtue signaling, this
is this is something else that came up here. Some
(19:06):
of you have disagreed with us a little bit on
and that's fine. There's only some of you. But you're
allowed to disagree with us. We appreciate that, you know,
I have. We have heated debates in my family. I'm sure,
Clay sometimes, what did your boys call you because you
weren't good at technology?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Is the funniest what's the term? It's so funny and
unk unk? They called me an unk, like an old
uncle in the house that doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah,
so that really. But before we get into the serious
talk here about Ukraine, I can't I know, I'm getting older,
all right. It didn't used to be this complicated to
(19:39):
turn the television on, all right, like back in the
day for me, I just I don't know why there
needs to be eight different remotes and six different inputs
and like HDMI one two, four, eight, fourteen, Like I
just want to sit down and put the damn game on,
and I I I every time I sit down in
front of one of the family televisions. Now I don't
(20:02):
know it's connected to you know, some Wi Fi thing,
video games, like all different sorts of streaming devices. I
it feels like we're going backwards in all technology and
this is the old manomy. I think I said this
on the show the other day. My wife actually is
signing off a little bit, even though she's the it
guy of the family. No car is better than when
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it just had the blue for cold and the red
for warm, right, the heater and the air conditioning. We
do need to get back to idiot proofing a lot
of our day to day lives.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
The one of the greatest things that happened in the
world of computers was you had to We went from
because I remember this daw Systems and it was you know,
backslash ampercent colon, you know, TRT.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Backslash, you know, m am back.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You're like, what is this? This makes no sense, Like
I don't understand. And then it was like, oh, here's
a folder, move the thing on the screen like it
became tactile and vision and so anybody could do it.
There's a lot of that that we do need to restore.
I mean, I think and my car is way too complicated.
I'm probably way too complixing.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And it's not better. It's one thing if the complications
make things more efficient, but it's harder for me now
to turn on the air conditioning and the UH and
the heat in my car than it was in nineteen
eighty three. So when I was four, I knew how
to turn the heat or the air on and every
car that I got into, basically, and if it wasn't
the knob, do you remember, it had like the thing
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that you would slide, like the slide scale or whatever.
We're making things more complicated and not better, and that
seems like it should be the opposite of technology. Tell
your boys, we might have to start a segment two
grumpy unks. We just sit here and just complain because
I'm no better than you are. I'm probably worse with
technology I have. Michaelae, you have the same thing with
your wife. I like Carrie.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
When Carrie wants to drive, she's a great driver. I'm like,
let her drive, which she wants to fix the TV.
I'm like fixing the TV. Laur Travis is not driving anyway.
If I have the choice, Well, that is part of
less driving. Now, I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I need to see.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I want to be in the car with both of
you and like do a switch out to see really
what we're dealing with.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I drive aggressively, as as you and others have have discovered.
But uh, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Can see like you if you let Clay give you
a ride to the airport, you're just sort of chatting.
You're talking about fun stuff. You know, Clay's very entertaining fellow.
And then you just see on the spin on the
You're like, is that one hundred and fifteen? Is that
what's going on? Because I think that's not the speed limit, Clay.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I I will say, in my wife's defense, she is small.
She's five two five three. I never really thought about this.
Lots of smaller women who drive like SUVs because they
have the kids in the car and stuff like that.
Like they can't actually see over I'm told this is true.
They can't actually see over the hood very well. She
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can't park, like she can't like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You ever like put a couple of phone books on
the seat for or something, or what do you do?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I mean she does. She has a couple of pillows
to try to elevate her so that she can see
over the front of like the suv that she drives,
and I'm not kidding, like she uses I don't know,
do you trust? I don't really trust the cameras, you
know that tell you like, hey, are you going to
be safe? You can back up? You know, every car
(23:16):
now has like a super convoluted camera system. So when
you pull into a parking lot and everything else, I
don't really trust those things because it feels to me
like they beep when you are in no danger whatsoever.
You know, the early you're like six feet away from
something and it's like bababy babaye, and then there's actually
someone behind you and it doesn't do anything like I
(23:37):
feel like much of it is flawed, so I don't
really trust it. She uses the system a little bit otherwise, buck,
Like she tries to pull into a Chick fil A
parking lot and she takes like eight spots. I mean,
she cannot see the lines to be able to correctly park.
And she says it's because the car's too big and
she can't see over the hood. I've never had this problem.
All right onka, are you ready to talk to ukream
(23:58):
war now?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Just making sure so in the Bretbear Elon Musk interview.
Elon was passionate on this, and I was I was
setting this up before and pointing out that you know,
some of you have been telling us you don't understand
Russia's the AGGRESSI no, we understand Russia's the aggressor. Well,
there's nothing about that that we don't understand. We understand
Russia's is the bad guy. We understand that Putin is
(24:20):
is a you know, machiavellian in the worst sense.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Probably, you know, he's a malignant narcissist. I mean, there's
a lot of bad stuff you could say about him.
He's an authoritarian, et cetera, et cetera. All true. We
get that. Okay, there's not and yet we want the
war to end. And the people that pretend like they
have a better idea than ending the war never have
an answer for what do they want to do? They
wanted to keep fighting. Here's what Elon says about this mentality.
(24:46):
He said it about specifically Senator Mark Kelly, who talks
a big game play it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
There will be a negotiated peace. And the thing that
we should be concerned about is we should have empathy
for the thousands of people that are not every day
in trenches for no movement in the in the lines,
so the borders remained the same for the past two years.
Thousands of people have died every week for nothing, for what?
(25:12):
And I take great offense at those who those who
put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it.
Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give
in too Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands
of kids die every day. They just want that to
(25:32):
continue forever. Have contempt for such people. I don't want
to make that clear. Yeah, so you're because they're butt
you signaling and their lack of a solution means that
kids don't have a father. It means that parents lost
a son for what.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Nothing. I think that's really well said, and I think
it goes to the morality that's actually in bed in
this argument. You and I talked about this on the
show when everybody was suddenly angry at jd Vance and
Donald Trump for how the meeting in the Oval Office
went with Zelenski. I still have yet to see anyone
(26:13):
argue to me that Ukraine can win this war. And
if they can't, then why are these people dying.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, I was trying to think of good things
to watch lately because we've been talking and we've been
trashing Snow White, which everybody is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's like the worst movie on IMDb ever now rated.
It's getting completely destroyed. It deserves it. McClay.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I watched Surviving Blackhawk Down the last few days, which
is somebody who read the Mark Boden book and then
saw the movie. And I've probably seen that movie fifty times,
and every Special Forces and every Special Operations guy I
know says that's the most realistic war movie for that
era they've ever seen. Really interesting context from the Surviving
(26:52):
black Hawk Down. Sorry, I'm gonna tie this in a second.
The other thing that I've seen not long ago on
Netflix that I thought was really, really good was the
All Quiet on the Western Front movie that they did.
Have you seen that one? You told me that was good,
and well, well, it's it is. And I find World
War one fact. Everyone World War two is like the
(27:13):
great evil of the world being defeated by America. Yes, everyone,
World War two gets a tremendous amount of historical focus,
and with good reason. World War one is is fascinating
and also horrific. And what you get from all quiet
on the Western front is there are phases at which
this war is over, basically, and everyone knows it, and
they need to figure out what they're gonna do, the
(27:34):
people in charge. But because they're not willing to make
some of the last concessions or whatever, there are some
final offensives where people are you know, cutting half by
machine gun fire and burned to death by you know,
by flamethrowers and artillery rounds and you know, chemical weapons,
and it's horrific and it shouldn't happen, and it's in
(27:58):
the final days and there's something awful about that. And
so what Elon's I think referring to here is, oh,
what we're going to give Ukraine another six months to
try to get a little more land here? How many
tens of thousands of young men killed?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is that worth? On both sides? War is always hell,
But dying in a war after it's always already been
decided as indefensible. And whatever you think about the war
in Ukraine and Russia, it's been decided. Russia is going
to gain territory. As I said, we're just arguing about
where the wine is going to be drawn at this point,
How in the world can anybody justify any death or
(28:34):
any dying that's occurring in this war at this point
in time, we should have an immediate ceasefire and it
seems beyond any doubt. And for people who are arguing
on the other side, they're actually the immoral ones. I
think at this point, well, this is what I think
why Elon was so and I agree with him. Look,
Elon's done a lot for Ukraine. Ukraine has only been
(28:54):
able to have communications and which is absolutely essential for
this war, which is really a lot of it is
coordinating artillery and drones. That's really what this trench warfare is.
I've seen a lot of the footage of it and
reading about it, and it's because of Starlink that they
even had communications. So Elon has done more for the
Ukrainian Once again, isn't this fascinating? The people who are
(29:16):
so Slava Ukrainian have the flags and everything, they're trashing Elon. Meanwhile,
Elon's done more than all of them combined, all of
them combined, for the Ukrainians, and he wants the war
to end. And they want to say that you're selling
out to Russia, your Putin's puppet. These people are intellectually
and morally unserious. It's totally true. By the way, we'll
(29:37):
take some of your calls. We've got loaded guest situation here.
Big battle going on in Wisconsin that could determine the
fate of the House majority. We'll discuss all that and more.
Plus we've got Kirk Cameron, legendary nineteen eighties TV star
in studio. I think producer ally has gotten dressed up
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Speaker 1 (31:23):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, our number two
Friday edition of the program. We are happy to be
hanging out with you and we've been talking about I know,
we just had an election in November. We've got a
couple of big special elections to pick congressmen in Florida's
first and sixth congressional district that are important. On Tuesday,
(31:47):
we also have a major judicial election in the state
of Wisconsin probably the number one battleground state in all
the nation. Right now, Wisconsin decided by thirty thousand votes
for President Trump. Every single Senate seat comes down to
the margins. Our friend Derek Hovedy lost by a tiny pinprick,
our friend Ron Johnson won by a small margin up there.
(32:11):
I mean, it is just an absolute battleground of all battlegrounds.
And we are joined now by the latest battleground race,
which is the Republican side, Judge Shimmel running for reelection,
running for election to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. For people
out there, Judge Shimmel, who don't understand what the stakes are.
(32:34):
All over the country, money is being spent on this race.
But certainly everybody in Wisconsin needs to get out and
vote because we know this is going to be close.
We've got a monster audience in Wisconsin. We love all
of you. We hung out with you at the RNC,
have had a fabulous time. Judge Shimmel. What do they
need to know about this race and its importance?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Well, first off, it's great to be on with you.
I am part of that major audience in Wisconsin. Every day,
my launch break between my morning trial calendar, and afternoon
trial calendar. I've got you guys tuned in every day.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So it'scit for that.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Yeah, what's at stake today? What's that stake in this race?
The Liberals have taken over the Wisconsin Supreme Court and
they are using it as a way to take over
the United States Congress. Right now, my opponent was on
a national zoom call with billionaire liberal donors from across
the country offering up if she gets on the court,
she will turn two Republican congressional seats into Democrat congressional seats.
(33:34):
And now the House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries just earlier
this week confirmed the same thing. They're using this court
to change the district maps for congressional seats to jerrymander
them in two seats that are better for Democrats. You know,
the really interesting thing is, as Hakim Jeffries complained about
these maps in Wisconsin, you said they were jerrymandered. The
(33:54):
maps in Wisconsin for our congressional seats were drawn by
Democrat Governor Tony Evers. These aren't Republican maps. But what
they're learning, what they've found out, is that they move
the maps to make them harder for Republicans, and those
Republicans still won because they're because Democrat ideas, the liberal
ideas are not prevailing with Wisconsin voters. We're tired of
(34:16):
this nonsense. Well they got that, they got it handed
back to them last November. So now they're going to
work harder to make these seats even tougher by using
the court to do it. That's why this got nationalized.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What would also have what were the other implications for Obviously,
the congressional issue is front and center right now. My
understanding is Elon is going to be helping the campaign
in this and this is truly getting national level attention
right now because Wisconsin such an important state, such a
critical swing state for both congressional control in the midterms
and then as we know, in the next election cycle,
(34:49):
Wisconsin is going to be a battleground again. In addition
to the congressional gerrymanderin concern what are some of the
other things that will come before this court and if
it were a left leaning court, could be problems to
take Wisconsin in the wrong direction, whether it's just in
the day to day business of it or in the
(35:09):
next presidential election cycle.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
Well, this court's already been messing with voter integrity laws.
They created a new way of looking at our Wisconsin
statute that permits these ballot drop boxes that can be
put out. The legislature did not authorize that. This court
decided they want them because it opens up opportunities for fraud.
It opens up all sorts of opportunities for ballot harvesting,
(35:33):
which would be illegal in Wisconsin. But those are the
things they want. They want to get rid of that.
We have got major battles dealing with the relative powers
between the legislative and executive branch in Wisconsin. Similar to
what's going on at the national level between President Trump
battling out between what is his authority as the chief
executive versus what some of these district courts are doing.
(35:56):
We're seeing those same kind of battles happening in Wisconsin.
They're going to go after our voter id law. They're
going to go after our if we call it Act ten.
It's a law that you may remember back in twenty eleven,
all those huge protests at the Wisconsin Wisconsin Capital, those
are over Act ten. Act ten put some limits on
(36:16):
the negotiating powers of public employee unions has nothing new
with private sector unions, just public employee unions who were
effective for negotiating with themselves. We're looking estimates say that
that's going to cost Wisconsin taxpayers. Well, we've saved that
law has saved them in over thirty billion dollars. We're
looking at that being turned right back to taxpayers if
(36:39):
that comes down. These are the issues that are going
to be in front of this court. The opponent was
the lead lawyer going after Act ten when she was
in private practice, she was a lead lawyer going after
our voter ID law. She called it raconian. These are
all issues that are going to end up in this court.
And she's out signaling file these lawsuits and you'll get
a good turnout.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
We're talking to Judge Brad Schammel. If Trump's voters turn out,
you will win. Democrats very often are better at the
special elections, at these non traditional let's call it that
voting times. What is your message to people out there
who voted for Donald Trump and want Trump's agenda to
(37:21):
be implemented, because, as you said, if they rewrite these
house districts, basically what Democrats are doing is they're thinking
we'll take away the House from Republicans and that will
be the roadblock to Trump's agenda. Have I gotten that right?
But I think that's important for you to kind of
lay out for people who may not understand the larger
stakes here.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Yeah. I think that's why President Trump has weighed in
on this race. When we talked last Friday before he
announced his endorsement, he asked me straight up, Brad, what
do you think about activist judges? And they told him,
mister President, the whole reason I'm running is to end
the reign of activist judges on our Wisconsin Supreme Court.
We have to restore our courts to objectivity, judges who
(38:04):
will follow the law, not make the law from the bench.
And that was when President Trump said, were good, then Brad,
you've got my phone complete endorsement. We have to prevent
the movement that is restoring America from bypassing Wisconsin because
we've got partisan judges on our Supreme Court who are
just doing everything they can just put up a roadblock
(38:24):
to everything that conservatives try to do to make our
states stronger and better and more prosperous and safer. My
opponent is a horrible Madison leftist who has had a
terrible record on criminal sentence, saying she goes way back.
She was chief legal counsel for former Democrat Governor Jim Doyle,
(38:45):
who did a lot of damage to our state. She
was leading the charge on all that as his attorney.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Were speaking to Brad Shimmel, Judge Shimmel, who is running
for this critical Wisconsin State Supreme Court seat, and this
election is coming up in just a matter of days.
It is very tight right now, and it's very important.
We're not just the future of Wisconsin as a state,
but the future of the United States Congress and the
control thereof for the Trump agenda. So as goe with Wisconsin,
(39:13):
perhaps so goe with the Congress. It's very important for
all of us to understand what these stakes are and
to that end. To that end, Judge Shimmel, I'm wondering
what kind of money are the Democrats thrown into this,
and what are some of the We know that this
is one of these situations where they're going to pretend, oh,
it's just all about Wisconsin from the Democrat side, But
(39:35):
they're getting New York money, Hollywood money, all over the
country they're piling in. I'm sure, So what are the
numbers like, and what are you seeing?
Speaker 8 (39:43):
How about this number? Four out of five donors to
my opponent don't live in Wisconsin. There we go, that's crazy,
that is shocking, right, But another number that's great for me.
I've got over seventy five percent of the sitting sheriffs
in Wisconsin are publicly endorsing, meaning Democrat and Republican sheriffs
because they know my work as attorney general and as
(40:05):
a former district attorney in one of our biggest counties
in the state. I've got every single law enforcement organization
in Wisconsin's publicly endorsing my campaign. That means the organization's
representing over sixteen thousand frontline law enforcement officers are publicly
backing me. She's got out of state people trying to
buy this Supreme Court. I've got the people who take
(40:27):
care of public safety in our state who are backing me.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We've got people listening all over the state of Wisconsin,
but in particular wisn are incredible affiliated in Milwaukee, We've
been number one for a long time. They do phenomenal work.
Jude Schimill, do you think people out there are aware
enough of what's going on with this race. Do you
get the sense that the base is in the same
way they were in twenty twenty four aware of the stakes,
(40:53):
or even with that money that's being spent, a lot
of it against you. Do you think that a lot
of people still don't realize the state at play here
and even the fact that this race is happening.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
I knew that it was going to be tough to
get that men's message to penetrate that this April election
is every bit is important as November. So I got
in this race sixteen months before election day to make
sure I got campaigned in all seventy two counties of
our state I have. I'm traveling constantly for this last
sixteen months, going and getting face to face with voters,
and I think it's worked. I've never seen conservatives this
(41:27):
fired up about a court race. They get it. We're
doing six to eight rallies every day, and at these
rallies we're getting huge turnouts. I ask people if you
lost any of your energy from November fifth, and they
all yell out, no way, not announced. We are with you, Brad.
We're fired up. And here's the great news. All we
(41:48):
have to do because this race has so much smaller
turnout than November elections. If we turn out sixty percent
of President Trump's voters from November fifth, I'll win. This
thing is not a bad number to have to hear.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
No, do anything you want, anything you want to tell
anybody about the day, the voting, voting hours, the website
to go to to contributor help out or anything like that.
We just we got a huge audience Wisconsintricty WI SN
number one.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
There. Thank you all wis N listeners.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
What do people need to know to make sure we
get this done and bring you over the finish line?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
Well, check us out at shimmelforjusice dot com, s C
H I, M E, L F O R Justice dot
com and you can find out how you can help
us make sure we bring home to win. Today is
you can still go vote early today in most communities
in Milwaukee, they can vote all the way through the weekend,
but most communities can't afford to have clerks work all weekend.
(42:43):
So for most of my most of your listeners, today
is the last day to vote early and then on Tuesday,
and we've got to get this done. This is going
to be easy. There's the lines will be short, there
will nothing bad is going to happen, and you're going
to be able to wake up on April second feeling
great that you are part of a movement that's going
to save our state, just like they were part of
(43:03):
a movement to save our nation back on November fifth.
We've got to do this again, and this is a
turnout race. Got to get our people out. Every vote
is going to count. You talked earlier about how close
some of our races are. This one is going to
be absolutely as tight as all those previous races. Show
up and we'll get this done.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Judge Shimmel, get it done for him. We appreciate you listening,
and we love all of you in Wisconsin. We're asking
you one more time keep the battle going and help
keep Donald Trump able to do the job that you
elected him to do as the chief executive. Judge. Thank you,
have a good weekend and good luck on Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Take care, Judge Bradshimmel, Wisconsin, Wisconsin Natives. You did it
for Donald Trump, you did it for Ron Johnson. You
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend Steve Hilton
joins us now. He's a political commentator. You know him
from Fox. He's an author as well. New book out
this week, Cali Failure, Reversing the Ruin of America's worst
run State.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Hey, Steve, great to have in the program.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Hi, guys, great to be with you. What fun? Can
I tell you what a pleasure it is?
Speaker 9 (45:44):
And guess who wouldn't have me on his new podcast
to talk about whether or not California is the worst
run state in America?
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Gavin Newsom. What a shame. But it's very good to
be here with you.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Well, we're not surprised that Gavin Newsom wouldn't have you
have you on, given that you recognize the problems not
just of California but specifically of Gavin Newsom's leadership. But
I wonder, Steve, is it just the way it's going
to be there? I mean, one of the problems that
we see is the willingness to suffer for ideological reasons,
(46:16):
and some of these democrat enclaves definitely in the case
of cities like San Francisco, for example, or even New
York unfortunately, is much higher than a lot of people
would imagine.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
Well, you're right, and the ideological is the word. That
is why we're in such a mess, you know, with
the highest rate of poverty, the highest housing cost, the
lowest home ownership, highest cost for gas, electricity, water, everything,
it's a disaster, the worst business climate.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
I mean, that's the point.
Speaker 9 (46:40):
Really, which is that of course across the country we
see the video of the unbelievable homeless encampments and people
wandering are like zombies, and the crime and toothpaste locked
up in walgreens and now the fires, and people see
all that, but actually the underlying problems are even worse.
It's a failure on every front, and people have been
(47:00):
putting up with it, and it's driven by ideology. And
that's one of the things in the book I go
into a love What is this ideology? It's not enough
to just to call it leftism. There's so many different
components to it, and we've got to understand it because
it's going to spread across the country. That's what's been happening.
And if you look at where the Democrats are today,
that seems to be where they're gravitating the Bernie AOC thing.
(47:20):
That's where the energy is. That's what we've got in California.
Now to your question about change, I think people are
waking up. You saw even before the fires, if you
look at the results last November in the presidential election,
even without obviously competing in California, particularly because you're never
going to get the electoral votes, Donald Trump got more
votes than any Republican for a generation in California. You
(47:44):
saw ten counties flip from blue to red, including big
counties like Fresno County, the fifth biggest city. And now
with the fires. I mean I meet people all the
time in Los Angeles. Yeah, Democrats Independence say we can't
go on like this. It is just obvious that we
need a check, we need some balance. It's been this
one party rule for so long. We've got to get
some common sense ideas back in there.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Appreciate you coming on, Steve, but can I talk about
this a lot. It's not just that California has fallen apart.
It's that and I'm curious what your experience was growing
up and what you thought about California. I just came
back from San Francisco. It is a beautiful geographic jewel,
the likes of which there are not very many of
anywhere in the world. La obviously nearly perfect climate. You
(48:28):
go on up the coast, Seattle, Portland. It's that left
leaning ideas have destroyed some of the most beloved communities
in much of the country. What did you think about
California as a kid growing up far from California and
when did your perception start to change? Because I remember
as a college kid, I had never been to California before.
(48:50):
I remember going out I don't know, probably two thousand thereabouts,
and just being blown away by how spectacular it was.
It seems to have really fallen apart only in the
last ten or fifteen years, and I know many Californians
who will live there feel the same way.
Speaker 9 (49:03):
So I'll tell you a story about that. So I
was totally inspired. I was in the way I put it.
I was in love with California even before we moved here.
We moved in twenty to twelve. I got my citizenship
four years ago. So now I'm a proud American but
also a proud Californian. I love California. In fact, there's
the story about this is back in the day when
I was working for David Cameron, this is before he
(49:24):
became Prime Minister, and I was leading our policy development,
our political strategy, and there was a cover story in
the Spectator magazine. We all know the Spectator website here
in America. It's actually a printed magazine, the oldest in
the world, actually the political magazine in the UK. They
did a cover story on the direction that we were
working on for the Conservative Party, and the headline on
(49:48):
the story was California Dreaming, and the first lines go
on about Steve Hilton, David Cameron's policy guru, is inspired
by California and the theme of their policy work is
to make the UK more like California. Like this is
that fifteen twenty years ago, And the question is is
there any political advisor to any politician anywhere in the
(50:08):
world who would want to make their country more like
California today? And it shows you just how far we've fallen,
how quickly with this far left ideology.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Dominant in California.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
But actually the point is all the problems of California
are self inflicted and we can turn it around. And
actually part two of the book is called Caliphailure, but
Part two of the book is called Califuture, and that
is my plan for how we actually turn things around
and restore California to what it should be, which is
the best of America, not the worst, which is what
it is now.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Now you didn't go on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but I
want you to the degree that you can be as
objective as you can in telling us, is this guy
going to be the leader of the Democrat Party in
the next election cycle? Do you see him being able
to swindle enough people in the middle that he's able
to rise through the ranks and go from being governor
(51:04):
to presidential nominee, Because from what I see, he has
had some right wing people on his podcast, and he's
not abandoning the crazy left positions, but he's at least
putting on a show of I'll have a conversation. I'm
not that crazy.
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Exactly, And I think you should not underestimate him. I
know him a little bit obviously watched him closely. And
that's the point about him, is that he is like
Kambala Harris before, like Joe Biden, like Karen Back. You know,
these are machine politicians, Okay they and they will say
whatever is politically expedient. But Gavin Newsom says it better
than most, and so don't underestimate him in a way.
(51:42):
That's why I wanted not partly why I wanted to
write the book is like, this is the record that
he's presided over. It's a total failure on every front.
So yes, you can talk, I mean a good example
the difference between talk and action. So he's on, you know,
as Charlie kirk On and agrees how unfair is deeply unfair?
Was his phrase about, you know, met biological men and
girls sports. What's he doing about it?
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Nothing?
Speaker 9 (52:04):
He's the governor Now. Next week in the state legislature
there are two bills up for vote that would stop
this madness? Is he going to weigh So far, he's
avoided even talking about it. So you've got to pin
him down on the actions. And the actions that have
happened in California have been a complete disaster.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Putting out fires seems like maybe the number one thing
that people would expect the government to be capable of
and expect the government to be responsible for the fire
situation in the Los Angeles area seems to have been
for many people a recognition that the policy choices they
make Karen Bass, for instance, as mayor have consequences. Do
(52:45):
you get the sense that that could change political voting
behavior or is it so ideologically committed at this point
that people would have to recognize that they made poor choices,
and lots of people don't want to acknowledge mistake. How
do you get them to change and how the fires
potentially impact Well, that's the.
Speaker 9 (53:03):
Job of campaigning and to bring that home. I mean,
I can tell you right now I'm working with Nicole
Shanahan on a recall campaign for Karen Bass, because every
day that she's there is a disaster. And one of
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Speaker 5 (53:38):
Look, if we don't put it off, I still think
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From they had a clean.
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Friday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show
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We've got a lot going on. Give you a little
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Court nominee Brad Schimmel joining us in the second hour.
It's a big deal up in Wisconsin because if the
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
Clay was great.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I walked out of the gym this morning and this
guy without even breaking stride because I was hustling to
get back to the studio and he's going by me
and he just puts his hand up for high five.
He goes, I love clam buck Man. Awesome, keep going
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got a high five here in South Florida. I love
it down here. Florida, you are beautiful. Is a great place,
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new book on the collapse of California. So we're stacked.
(01:41):
We got a ton. I don't even mentioned this one
yet though, the deep dive that Brett Baar did last
night on Fox News. We'll get into this right away
because you need to know what's going on. There's some
very important insights, but also additional details about what the
plan is here, right so what have they found? But
also how long is Elon going to be doing this?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
What are the.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Next steps for this? So let's dive into some of this.
So Brett sat down last night with Elon and a
bunch of the senior Doge team and they talked about
a whole range of things. Let's go to cut two here,
I mean, Brett asked him straight up, what is the
most astonishing stuff that you have found as you are
(02:27):
looking for waste, fraud and abuse in the government?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Cut too?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process?
Speaker 4 (02:34):
The sheer amount of waste importing the government, it is astonishing,
It's mind blowing. Just we were teely encounter wastes of
a billion dollars or more casually, you know, for example,
like the simple survey that was literally ten questions survey
that you could do with survey monkey counshu about ten
thousand dollars was the comment. Was being charged almost a
(02:57):
billion dollars for that for just the survey. A billion
dollars for a simple online survey do you like the
National Park? And then they've hit me no feedback loop
for what would be done with that survey. So let's
say we're just going to nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So much waste to Clay, I really think that we
are not giving Elon Musk enough credit for what he
has decided to do here. Producer Ali was talking about
it off the show earlier. But you're about to have
a baby, you and your wife, Carrie. I've got three
(03:30):
boys at some point in time. And I know a
lot of you think of us as whipper snappers because
you're in your sixties or seventies and you're listening to us.
But I know that you have been through that evolution,
and some of you are younger than us, and you're
not going to have seen this worldview yet. But at
some point in time, whatever success or failure you might
have in your personal life, whatever trials and tribulations you
(03:53):
might have personally, you start to recognize. And this is
certainly going to be ironic for two guys who gets
sit in front of a microphone and talk about our
lives and our experiences every day, but you start to
recognize that you're not the centrality of the world. People
have this recognition at different points, and that in some way,
(04:14):
your job, I like to think, and I think many
of you have had this recognition realization is to try
and make things better for the people who are younger
than you, that are coming along behind you, your kids,
your grandkids. I think when I see Elon and certainly
when I see Trump, who doesn't need all of this
(04:35):
at seventy eight years old, a time when most, frankly
seventy eight year olds are just kicking back and relaxing
as best they can in retirement. The only reason that
they're doing what they're doing is because they are trying
to fix what they see as being broken. And here's
the reality. They're not going to live to see the
(04:57):
full fruition of the changes that they may come into reality.
They're doing it because they want to set the table
for the next generation in a much better place. And
I couldn't stop thinking about that, Buck as I watched
the Doge interview. Credit to Brett Bayer for sitting down
and doing this interview. I don't believe it's possible. Buck.
(05:18):
If you got ninety five percent of Americans to sit
and watch that whole interview, I think it would be
hard for almost everyone who watches that interview not to
say thank you. You guys are doing things that are
not particularly partisan in nature. You're just trying to spend
all of our money, all of our taxpayer money, in
the most expeditious, sufficient manner possible.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Imagine for a second that the Treasury was on fire.
I mean it was just it had caught fire, and
all of our dollars so to speak as a nation,
were contained in that building, and someone came along and
they were trying.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To put out the fire.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Wouldn't you just say thank you for doing this? No,
what Democrats do is they say, you're wasting too much water.
Why are you focusing on this area? Why all they
do is complain, you know why, because they actually don't
want him to succeed. Elon got into this. This is
cut seven, Clay. We've been making this point here all along,
which is they never tell you what the problem is, right.
(06:19):
They always either lie about something that's not happening, or
they just say in general, this is unconstitutional, unconstitutional, you
want this to continue to happen. Play seven.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Usually when they attack doors, they never attack any of
the specifics, so they'll say what we're doing is somehow
unconstitutional or legal or whatever. We're like, well, which line
of the cost savings do you disagree with? And they
can't point to any And we list them all on
doors stuck up and the does handle one x and
you'll see just outrageous things one outrageous thing after another.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
They are exposing themselves, the Democrats, all the time, because
they don't want this stuff to happen. They benefit, they
their friends, and there are ideology benefits from this waste.
With all these NGOs and all this nonsense that's been
going on a lot of these government contractors. It is
the great self looking ice cream cone. And they have
completely exposed themselves here. It's like, what, remember, I asked
(07:15):
Senator Rampaul this yesterday, is there a single Senate Democrat
who actually wants to cut spending? He said no, flatly, No.
They want to take us over the cliff. They do
not want this to stop. They do not want the
fraud to stop, they do not want the debt to
get under control. They're just putting us on a highway
to destruction.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, and I think we should play a bunch of
these cuts again. I give credit to Brett Bayer. I
talked about Elon giving back to the government. He didn't
need this. He's already got Tesla, he's already got SpaceX,
he's already got XAI, he's already got x boring Company.
He's got like five different companies that he's running full time.
But he says he's got about one hundred and thirty
(07:56):
days through the end of May, and then their goal
is to have reduced that deficit by one trillion dollars.
He says they're on pace to do that. Here's cut eight.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
You technically are a special government employee and you're supposed
to be one hundred and thirty days. Are you going
to continue past that or do you think that's what
you're going to do?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Or well, I think we will accomplish most of the
work required to reduce the deficit by trillion dollars within
that time frame.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
So in that timeframe one hundred and thirty days, and
the process is a report at some point at one hundred.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Days, or not really a report.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
We are cutting the waste important real time. So every
day that passes, our goal is to reduce the waste
prod by four billion dollars a day, every day, seven
days a week, and so far we are succeeding.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Let me also play this buck because you probably are
getting some of this. There's a lot of fear mongering
going on out there, and I understand a lot of
you rely on Social Security if you are past retirement age,
you're over sixty and you're listening to us right now.
There is a great deal of fraud. People try to
take advantage of elderly citizens, as you well know, they
(09:05):
try to take advantage of everybody. The number of times
that I bet no matter how old you are, something
pops up on your phone. It's a text message, it's
an email, and somebody's basically on a phishing expedition to
try to get your personal private information. It's hard to
know what's real and what's not. They said that one
of the things they've discovered is people who are Social
(09:25):
Security recipients will get more, not less money because of DOGE.
And also there is just so much dishonesty out there.
Let's listen to Cut five first. This is almost half
of all phone calls every day to Social Security are
from people who are committing fraud, he says, trying to
get information flipped so they can start to steal your
(09:48):
social Security Cut five.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
The two improvements that we're trying to make to Social
Security are helping people that legitimately get benefits protect them
from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis,
and also make the experience better and I'll give you
one example is a social security One of the first
things we learned is that they get phone calls every
(10:11):
day of people trying to change direct positive information. So
when you want to change your bank account, you can
call sercial security. We learned forty percent of the phone
calls that they get are from fraudsters.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right, almost have.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
That's staggering, buck And it makes sense, right because they
want to get your deposit check direct to their bank
accounts and steal your money. And this is why I
want to just play this again because I do think
it's important. Cut three Musk says we're actually protecting social security.
Don't listen to the fear mongering.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How do you reassure people that what you all are
doing is not going to affect their benefits.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Now, in fact, what we're doing will help with their benefits.
Legitimate people, as a result of the work approach will
receive more social security, not less. When emphasize that as
a result of the work appage, legitimate recipients of social
security will receive more money, not less money. All right,
size that point and let the record show that I
(11:12):
said this and it will be proven out to be true.
Let's check back on this in the future.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I just buck when I kept watching this, the amount
of waste and fraud and just general incompetence. If you
are a business owner, if you're a small business owner,
and you've ever had to make payroll, you've ever had
to run the books to make sure that your business
is working. Our government's never done it, basically for generations.
And there are a lot of people that profit off
(11:41):
of an ossified broken federal government that are lining up
to try to stop the government from being more efficient.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
First of all, I love the use of ossified there.
Second of I think there's a lot of embarrassment and
jealousy among some in the Democrat camp that this is
something that they said they wanted to take on wouldn't
take on. And more and more people are seeing that
(12:10):
it is only Republicans who are serious about this. Again,
to the Rand pallpoint yesterday, Now a single Senate Democrat
wants to cut any spending whatsoever, not a single dollar.
And they've been lying about this, just like they lie
about border security. They've been lying about this for a
long time. And now the American people, anybody who is
being honest and has their eyes open can see this.
(12:30):
I think that there is a sense among it. I've
started to see some saying it. You know, Ezra Kline
has popped up to start to say this, and you're
starting to see the beginnings of Democrats saying, hey, you know,
maybe the fact that we spend forty billion dollars on
on creating more broadband access and we didn't create a
single a single person getting broadband, maybe that's not great.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Did you see John Stewart reacting to all the hoops
that you have to jump through. I mean, it's just
I watched this and it just infuriates me as someone
that is spending a lot of the money that I
would otherwise like to have going in and just being
completely wasted.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Well, what you're seeing is that the Democrats in the
public mind increasingly with every passing day, with more truth
coming out, the Democrats are the party of the bad
old DMV, where it's a good analoge accountability. Yeah, you're
just suffering. There's waste, nobody cares, there's no accountability, nothing changes.
(13:31):
You can't, you know, just take it, Just sit there
and take it, because you have to. We all hate that, right,
I'm gonna say be honest with the Florida DMV not bad.
They've actually made it. The DMV experience here pretty's. Tennessee's
gotten way better too. Yeah yeah, but I remember my
first driver's license experience in New York City. You know,
I was like sixteen, way back in the day, you know,
(13:52):
or in the nineties, Clay, it was like visiting a
penal colony.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Okay, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Nothing moved fast, Everything was a mess, Everything was unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You're there for like three hours. I mean, the whole
thing was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
The Democrats are the party of that when it comes
to the federal government. That's who they are now, and
they're gonna have to wear that. You know, they're gonna
have to deal with that for a long time. So
we'll get into more of this and just more of
the doged conversation. I mean, this is about saving the
government and saving the country with it. So I think
it's a pretty big deal. We'll get into that and
(14:27):
stay with us. I'm sure of at least three things
right now. The First, President Trump is doing great things
for the country. The second, my bracket is gonna look
better than Clay's come Sunday night. And third you see.
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Welcome back in We are breaking down the key moments
from the excellent interview that Brett Bayrow Fox News did
with Elon Musk and his DOGE team last night. I
watched the entire thing, actually watched back a bunch of
parts of it again. I thought it was so important.
The two biggest things that Trump is doing tackling from
the very beginning of his administration border and illegal aliens
(16:05):
and then spending DOGE waste fraud abuse. Those are the
two areas practice areas, if you will, that are absolutely essential,
and they have gone after this. We are so just
a quick word here, Clay, I completely agree with you,
and we've been saying this for weeks. We need the
smartest people in this country to tackle the biggest problem
(16:26):
the country faces. Yes, we can't have everybody who's a billionaire,
you know, self made and some kind of a managerial
or organizational genius go. You know, I just in the
country is going to figure it out. You know, I'll
stash some money overseas, maybe I'll buy some land in
New Zealand. Noah, we need people who are brilliant just
(16:49):
step up and to fix things. And now that means
some degree of personal sacrifice, but a lot of you
listening like, yeah, buddy, I did you know three combat
tours in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. Like that's sacrifice, right,
I'm talking about from your perspective obviously not from mine,
but you know that's sacrifices that a lot of you
have made, or you know from your own bio. Whereas
(17:10):
Elon taking a few months. Yeah, he's got companies, he's
got a lot of people working for him and all
the rest of it. But you know, he's not storming
the beaches of Normandy, is my point. Like, this is
something that he could do and is enormously helpful to
the government, and I don't think it's too much. I'm
very grateful to him, but I'm saying I don't think
it's too much to ask others who have multi, multi
generational wealth that they have accrued in this country, who
(17:33):
can fix problems and help to do so when they can.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
I hope that this is a trend. If you have
a super talent, then I would hope that at some
point in time, you might be willing to share that
talent on behalf of the American public. And Elon Musk
has a super talent in business efficiency, prodigious energy. He said.
In one interview I saw I think friend Ted Kruz.
He said, he sleeps six hours a night and basically works,
(17:59):
you know, the other eighteen hours. And right now he's
committed basically sleeping in the office of DOGE seven days
a week working to try to make the government more efficient.
And there's been a cost for him. He's been ripped
to shreds. His company has been attacked on a level
frankly that I've never seen a company attacked based on
(18:19):
the choices made by a CEO in his private life.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, I think Clay, it's very clear that anybody who
is burning a tesla because they don't like what Elon
is doing wants the country to burn. They do not
have the most fundamental interests of America as a nation
in their minds at all. They are spiteful, they are hateful.
And the fact that the Democrats aren't far more, Hey, guys,
(18:46):
knock that crap off tells you a lot about them too.
You know, there's there's a sense of, yeah, Elon, he's abilition.
The fact they go along with this trash Elon thing.
We talked about the climate change aspect of a two
which means they're not serious about that. They don't really care,
just like the virtue signal. Speaking of virtue signaling, this
is this is something else that came up here. Some
(19:06):
of you have disagreed with us a little bit on
and that's fine. There's only some of you. But you're
allowed to disagree with us. We appreciate that, you know,
I have. We have heated debates in my family. I'm sure,
Clay sometimes, what did your boys call you because you
weren't good at technology?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Is the funniest what's the term? It's so funny and
unk unk? They called me an unk, like an old
uncle in the house that doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah,
so that really. But before we get into the serious
talk here about Ukraine, I can't I know, I'm getting older,
all right. It didn't used to be this complicated to
(19:39):
turn the television on, all right, like back in the
day for me, I just I don't know why there
needs to be eight different remotes and six different inputs
and like HDMI one two, four, eight, fourteen, Like I
just want to sit down and put the damn game on,
and I I I every time I sit down in
front of one of the family televisions. Now I don't
(20:02):
know it's connected to you know, some Wi Fi thing,
video games, like all different sorts of streaming devices. I
it feels like we're going backwards in all technology and
this is the old manomy. I think I said this
on the show the other day. My wife actually is
signing off a little bit, even though she's the it
guy of the family. No car is better than when
(20:22):
it just had the blue for cold and the red
for warm, right, the heater and the air conditioning. We
do need to get back to idiot proofing a lot
of our day to day lives.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
The one of the greatest things that happened in the
world of computers was you had to We went from
because I remember this daw Systems and it was you know,
backslash ampercent colon, you know, TRT.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Backslash, you know, m am back.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
You're like, what is this? This makes no sense, Like
I don't understand. And then it was like, oh, here's
a folder, move the thing on the screen like it
became tactile and vision and so anybody could do it.
There's a lot of that that we do need to restore.
I mean, I think and my car is way too complicated.
I'm probably way too complixing.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And it's not better. It's one thing if the complications
make things more efficient, but it's harder for me now
to turn on the air conditioning and the UH and
the heat in my car than it was in nineteen
eighty three. So when I was four, I knew how
to turn the heat or the air on and every
car that I got into, basically, and if it wasn't
the knob, do you remember, it had like the thing
(21:30):
that you would slide, like the slide scale or whatever.
We're making things more complicated and not better, and that
seems like it should be the opposite of technology. Tell
your boys, we might have to start a segment two
grumpy unks. We just sit here and just complain because
I'm no better than you are. I'm probably worse with
technology I have. Michaelae, you have the same thing with
your wife. I like Carrie.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
When Carrie wants to drive, she's a great driver. I'm like,
let her drive, which she wants to fix the TV.
I'm like fixing the TV. Laur Travis is not driving anyway.
If I have the choice, Well, that is part of
less driving. Now, I want to get there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I need to see.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I want to be in the car with both of
you and like do a switch out to see really
what we're dealing with.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I drive aggressively, as as you and others have have discovered.
But uh, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Can see like you if you let Clay give you
a ride to the airport, you're just sort of chatting.
You're talking about fun stuff. You know, Clay's very entertaining fellow.
And then you just see on the spin on the
You're like, is that one hundred and fifteen? Is that
what's going on? Because I think that's not the speed limit, Clay.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I I will say, in my wife's defense, she is small.
She's five two five three. I never really thought about this.
Lots of smaller women who drive like SUVs because they
have the kids in the car and stuff like that.
Like they can't actually see over I'm told this is true.
They can't actually see over the hood very well. She
(22:50):
can't park, like she can't like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You ever like put a couple of phone books on
the seat for or something, or what do you do?
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I mean she does. She has a couple of pillows
to try to elevate her so that she can see
over the front of like the suv that she drives,
and I'm not kidding, like she uses I don't know,
do you trust? I don't really trust the cameras, you
know that tell you like, hey, are you going to
be safe? You can back up? You know, every car
(23:16):
now has like a super convoluted camera system. So when
you pull into a parking lot and everything else, I
don't really trust those things because it feels to me
like they beep when you are in no danger whatsoever.
You know, the early you're like six feet away from
something and it's like bababy babaye, and then there's actually
someone behind you and it doesn't do anything like I
(23:37):
feel like much of it is flawed, so I don't
really trust it. She uses the system a little bit otherwise, buck,
Like she tries to pull into a Chick fil A
parking lot and she takes like eight spots. I mean,
she cannot see the lines to be able to correctly park.
And she says it's because the car's too big and
she can't see over the hood. I've never had this problem.
All right onka, are you ready to talk to ukream
(23:58):
war now?
Speaker 5 (23:58):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Just making sure so in the Bretbear Elon Musk interview.
Elon was passionate on this, and I was I was
setting this up before and pointing out that you know,
some of you have been telling us you don't understand
Russia's the AGGRESSI no, we understand Russia's the aggressor. Well,
there's nothing about that that we don't understand. We understand
Russia's is the bad guy. We understand that Putin is
(24:20):
is a you know, machiavellian in the worst sense.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Probably, you know, he's a malignant narcissist. I mean, there's
a lot of bad stuff you could say about him.
He's an authoritarian, et cetera, et cetera. All true. We
get that. Okay, there's not and yet we want the
war to end. And the people that pretend like they
have a better idea than ending the war never have
an answer for what do they want to do? They
wanted to keep fighting. Here's what Elon says about this mentality.
(24:46):
He said it about specifically Senator Mark Kelly, who talks
a big game play it.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
There will be a negotiated peace. And the thing that
we should be concerned about is we should have empathy
for the thousands of people that are not every day
in trenches for no movement in the in the lines,
so the borders remained the same for the past two years.
Thousands of people have died every week for nothing, for what?
(25:12):
And I take great offense at those who those who
put the appearance of goodness over the reality of it.
Those who virtue signal and say, oh, we can't give
in too Russia, but have no solution to stopping thousands
of kids die every day. They just want that to
(25:32):
continue forever. Have contempt for such people. I don't want
to make that clear. Yeah, so you're because they're butt
you signaling and their lack of a solution means that
kids don't have a father. It means that parents lost
a son for what.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Nothing. I think that's really well said, and I think
it goes to the morality that's actually in bed in
this argument. You and I talked about this on the
show when everybody was suddenly angry at jd Vance and
Donald Trump for how the meeting in the Oval Office
went with Zelenski. I still have yet to see anyone
(26:13):
argue to me that Ukraine can win this war. And
if they can't, then why are these people dying.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You know, I was trying to think of good things
to watch lately because we've been talking and we've been
trashing Snow White, which everybody is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's like the worst movie on IMDb ever now rated.
It's getting completely destroyed. It deserves it. McClay.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I watched Surviving Blackhawk Down the last few days, which
is somebody who read the Mark Boden book and then
saw the movie. And I've probably seen that movie fifty times,
and every Special Forces and every Special Operations guy I
know says that's the most realistic war movie for that
era they've ever seen. Really interesting context from the Surviving
(26:52):
black Hawk Down. Sorry, I'm gonna tie this in a second.
The other thing that I've seen not long ago on
Netflix that I thought was really, really good was the
All Quiet on the Western Front movie that they did.
Have you seen that one? You told me that was good,
and well, well, it's it is. And I find World
War one fact. Everyone World War two is like the
(27:13):
great evil of the world being defeated by America. Yes, everyone,
World War two gets a tremendous amount of historical focus,
and with good reason. World War one is is fascinating
and also horrific. And what you get from all quiet
on the Western front is there are phases at which
this war is over, basically, and everyone knows it, and
they need to figure out what they're gonna do, the
(27:34):
people in charge. But because they're not willing to make
some of the last concessions or whatever, there are some
final offensives where people are you know, cutting half by
machine gun fire and burned to death by you know,
by flamethrowers and artillery rounds and you know, chemical weapons,
and it's horrific and it shouldn't happen, and it's in
(27:58):
the final days and there's something awful about that. And
so what Elon's I think referring to here is, oh,
what we're going to give Ukraine another six months to
try to get a little more land here? How many
tens of thousands of young men killed?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is that worth? On both sides? War is always hell,
But dying in a war after it's always already been
decided as indefensible. And whatever you think about the war
in Ukraine and Russia, it's been decided. Russia is going
to gain territory. As I said, we're just arguing about
where the wine is going to be drawn at this point,
How in the world can anybody justify any death or
(28:34):
any dying that's occurring in this war at this point
in time, we should have an immediate ceasefire and it
seems beyond any doubt. And for people who are arguing
on the other side, they're actually the immoral ones. I
think at this point, well, this is what I think
why Elon was so and I agree with him. Look,
Elon's done a lot for Ukraine. Ukraine has only been
(28:54):
able to have communications and which is absolutely essential for
this war, which is really a lot of it is
coordinating artillery and drones. That's really what this trench warfare is.
I've seen a lot of the footage of it and
reading about it, and it's because of Starlink that they
even had communications. So Elon has done more for the
Ukrainian Once again, isn't this fascinating? The people who are
(29:16):
so Slava Ukrainian have the flags and everything, they're trashing Elon. Meanwhile,
Elon's done more than all of them combined, all of
them combined, for the Ukrainians, and he wants the war
to end. And they want to say that you're selling
out to Russia, your Putin's puppet. These people are intellectually
and morally unserious. It's totally true. By the way, we'll
(29:37):
take some of your calls. We've got loaded guest situation here.
Big battle going on in Wisconsin that could determine the
fate of the House majority. We'll discuss all that and more.
Plus we've got Kirk Cameron, legendary nineteen eighties TV star
in studio. I think producer ally has gotten dressed up
again because he was her crush in nineteen eighty six.
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And Steve Hilton will join us. Good dude thinking about
running for governor of California. We'll talk about his latest book.
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Speaker 1 (31:23):
Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, our number two
Friday edition of the program. We are happy to be
hanging out with you and we've been talking about I know,
we just had an election in November. We've got a
couple of big special elections to pick congressmen in Florida's
first and sixth congressional district that are important. On Tuesday,
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we also have a major judicial election in the state
of Wisconsin probably the number one battleground state in all
the nation. Right now, Wisconsin decided by thirty thousand votes
for President Trump. Every single Senate seat comes down to
the margins. Our friend Derek Hovedy lost by a tiny pinprick,
our friend Ron Johnson won by a small margin up there.
(32:11):
I mean, it is just an absolute battleground of all battlegrounds.
And we are joined now by the latest battleground race,
which is the Republican side, Judge Shimmel running for reelection,
running for election to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. For people
out there, Judge Shimmel, who don't understand what the stakes are.
(32:34):
All over the country, money is being spent on this race.
But certainly everybody in Wisconsin needs to get out and
vote because we know this is going to be close.
We've got a monster audience in Wisconsin. We love all
of you. We hung out with you at the RNC,
have had a fabulous time. Judge Shimmel. What do they
need to know about this race and its importance?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Well, first off, it's great to be on with you.
I am part of that major audience in Wisconsin. Every day,
my launch break between my morning trial calendar, and afternoon
trial calendar. I've got you guys tuned in every day.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So it'scit for that.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Yeah, what's at stake today? What's that stake in this race?
The Liberals have taken over the Wisconsin Supreme Court and
they are using it as a way to take over
the United States Congress. Right now, my opponent was on
a national zoom call with billionaire liberal donors from across
the country offering up if she gets on the court,
she will turn two Republican congressional seats into Democrat congressional seats.
(33:34):
And now the House Minority Leader Hakim Jeffries just earlier
this week confirmed the same thing. They're using this court
to change the district maps for congressional seats to jerrymander
them in two seats that are better for Democrats. You know,
the really interesting thing is, as Hakim Jeffries complained about
these maps in Wisconsin, you said they were jerrymandered. The
(33:54):
maps in Wisconsin for our congressional seats were drawn by
Democrat Governor Tony Evers. These aren't Republican maps. But what
they're learning, what they've found out, is that they move
the maps to make them harder for Republicans, and those
Republicans still won because they're because Democrat ideas, the liberal
ideas are not prevailing with Wisconsin voters. We're tired of
(34:16):
this nonsense. Well they got that, they got it handed
back to them last November. So now they're going to
work harder to make these seats even tougher by using
the court to do it. That's why this got nationalized.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
What would also have what were the other implications for Obviously,
the congressional issue is front and center right now. My
understanding is Elon is going to be helping the campaign
in this and this is truly getting national level attention
right now because Wisconsin such an important state, such a
critical swing state for both congressional control in the midterms
and then as we know, in the next election cycle,
(34:49):
Wisconsin is going to be a battleground again. In addition
to the congressional gerrymanderin concern what are some of the
other things that will come before this court and if
it were a left leaning court, could be problems to
take Wisconsin in the wrong direction, whether it's just in
the day to day business of it or in the
(35:09):
next presidential election cycle.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
Well, this court's already been messing with voter integrity laws.
They created a new way of looking at our Wisconsin
statute that permits these ballot drop boxes that can be
put out. The legislature did not authorize that. This court
decided they want them because it opens up opportunities for fraud.
It opens up all sorts of opportunities for ballot harvesting,
(35:33):
which would be illegal in Wisconsin. But those are the
things they want. They want to get rid of that.
We have got major battles dealing with the relative powers
between the legislative and executive branch in Wisconsin. Similar to
what's going on at the national level between President Trump
battling out between what is his authority as the chief
executive versus what some of these district courts are doing.
(35:56):
We're seeing those same kind of battles happening in Wisconsin.
They're going to go after our voter id law. They're
going to go after our if we call it Act ten.
It's a law that you may remember back in twenty eleven,
all those huge protests at the Wisconsin Wisconsin Capital, those
are over Act ten. Act ten put some limits on
(36:16):
the negotiating powers of public employee unions has nothing new
with private sector unions, just public employee unions who were
effective for negotiating with themselves. We're looking estimates say that
that's going to cost Wisconsin taxpayers. Well, we've saved that
law has saved them in over thirty billion dollars. We're
looking at that being turned right back to taxpayers if
(36:39):
that comes down. These are the issues that are going
to be in front of this court. The opponent was
the lead lawyer going after Act ten when she was
in private practice, she was a lead lawyer going after
our voter ID law. She called it raconian. These are
all issues that are going to end up in this court.
And she's out signaling file these lawsuits and you'll get
a good turnout.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
We're talking to Judge Brad Schammel. If Trump's voters turn out,
you will win. Democrats very often are better at the
special elections, at these non traditional let's call it that
voting times. What is your message to people out there
who voted for Donald Trump and want Trump's agenda to
(37:21):
be implemented, because, as you said, if they rewrite these
house districts, basically what Democrats are doing is they're thinking
we'll take away the House from Republicans and that will
be the roadblock to Trump's agenda. Have I gotten that right?
But I think that's important for you to kind of
lay out for people who may not understand the larger
stakes here.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
Yeah. I think that's why President Trump has weighed in
on this race. When we talked last Friday before he
announced his endorsement, he asked me straight up, Brad, what
do you think about activist judges? And they told him,
mister President, the whole reason I'm running is to end
the reign of activist judges on our Wisconsin Supreme Court.
We have to restore our courts to objectivity, judges who
(38:04):
will follow the law, not make the law from the bench.
And that was when President Trump said, were good, then Brad,
you've got my phone complete endorsement. We have to prevent
the movement that is restoring America from bypassing Wisconsin because
we've got partisan judges on our Supreme Court who are
just doing everything they can just put up a roadblock
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to everything that conservatives try to do to make our
states stronger and better and more prosperous and safer. My
opponent is a horrible Madison leftist who has had a
terrible record on criminal sentence, saying she goes way back.
She was chief legal counsel for former Democrat Governor Jim Doyle,
(38:45):
who did a lot of damage to our state. She
was leading the charge on all that as his attorney.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Were speaking to Brad Shimmel, Judge Shimmel, who is running
for this critical Wisconsin State Supreme Court seat, and this
election is coming up in just a matter of days.
It is very tight right now, and it's very important.
We're not just the future of Wisconsin as a state,
but the future of the United States Congress and the
control thereof for the Trump agenda. So as goe with Wisconsin,
(39:13):
perhaps so goe with the Congress. It's very important for
all of us to understand what these stakes are and
to that end. To that end, Judge Shimmel, I'm wondering
what kind of money are the Democrats thrown into this,
and what are some of the We know that this
is one of these situations where they're going to pretend, oh,
it's just all about Wisconsin from the Democrat side, But
(39:35):
they're getting New York money, Hollywood money, all over the
country they're piling in. I'm sure, So what are the
numbers like, and what are you seeing?
Speaker 8 (39:43):
How about this number? Four out of five donors to
my opponent don't live in Wisconsin. There we go, that's crazy,
that is shocking, right, But another number that's great for me.
I've got over seventy five percent of the sitting sheriffs
in Wisconsin are publicly endorsing, meaning Democrat and Republican sheriffs
because they know my work as attorney general and as
(40:05):
a former district attorney in one of our biggest counties
in the state. I've got every single law enforcement organization
in Wisconsin's publicly endorsing my campaign. That means the organization's
representing over sixteen thousand frontline law enforcement officers are publicly
backing me. She's got out of state people trying to
buy this Supreme Court. I've got the people who take
(40:27):
care of public safety in our state who are backing me.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
We've got people listening all over the state of Wisconsin,
but in particular wisn are incredible affiliated in Milwaukee, We've
been number one for a long time. They do phenomenal work.
Jude Schimill, do you think people out there are aware
enough of what's going on with this race. Do you
get the sense that the base is in the same
way they were in twenty twenty four aware of the stakes,
(40:53):
or even with that money that's being spent, a lot
of it against you. Do you think that a lot
of people still don't realize the state at play here
and even the fact that this race is happening.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
I knew that it was going to be tough to
get that men's message to penetrate that this April election
is every bit is important as November. So I got
in this race sixteen months before election day to make
sure I got campaigned in all seventy two counties of
our state I have. I'm traveling constantly for this last
sixteen months, going and getting face to face with voters,
and I think it's worked. I've never seen conservatives this
(41:27):
fired up about a court race. They get it. We're
doing six to eight rallies every day, and at these
rallies we're getting huge turnouts. I ask people if you
lost any of your energy from November fifth, and they
all yell out, no way, not announced. We are with you, Brad.
We're fired up. And here's the great news. All we
(41:48):
have to do because this race has so much smaller
turnout than November elections. If we turn out sixty percent
of President Trump's voters from November fifth, I'll win. This
thing is not a bad number to have to hear.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
No, do anything you want, anything you want to tell
anybody about the day, the voting, voting hours, the website
to go to to contributor help out or anything like that.
We just we got a huge audience Wisconsintricty WI SN
number one.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
There. Thank you all wis N listeners.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
What do people need to know to make sure we
get this done and bring you over the finish line?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
Well, check us out at shimmelforjusice dot com, s C
H I, M E, L F O R Justice dot
com and you can find out how you can help
us make sure we bring home to win. Today is
you can still go vote early today in most communities
in Milwaukee, they can vote all the way through the weekend,
but most communities can't afford to have clerks work all weekend.
(42:43):
So for most of my most of your listeners, today
is the last day to vote early and then on Tuesday,
and we've got to get this done. This is going
to be easy. There's the lines will be short, there
will nothing bad is going to happen, and you're going
to be able to wake up on April second feeling
great that you are part of a movement that's going
to save our state, just like they were part of
(43:03):
a movement to save our nation back on November fifth.
We've got to do this again, and this is a
turnout race. Got to get our people out. Every vote
is going to count. You talked earlier about how close
some of our races are. This one is going to
be absolutely as tight as all those previous races. Show
up and we'll get this done.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Judge Shimmel, get it done for him. We appreciate you listening,
and we love all of you in Wisconsin. We're asking
you one more time keep the battle going and help
keep Donald Trump able to do the job that you
elected him to do as the chief executive. Judge. Thank you,
have a good weekend and good luck on Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (43:38):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Take care, Judge Bradshimmel, Wisconsin, Wisconsin Natives. You did it
for Donald Trump, you did it for Ron Johnson. You
need to do it for Brad shml Get out and
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Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Our friend Steve Hilton
joins us now. He's a political commentator. You know him
from Fox. He's an author as well. New book out
this week, Cali Failure, Reversing the Ruin of America's worst
run State.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Hey, Steve, great to have in the program.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Hi, guys, great to be with you. What fun? Can
I tell you what a pleasure it is?
Speaker 9 (45:44):
And guess who wouldn't have me on his new podcast
to talk about whether or not California is the worst
run state in America?
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Gavin Newsom. What a shame. But it's very good to
be here with you.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Well, we're not surprised that Gavin Newsom wouldn't have you
have you on, given that you recognize the problems not
just of California but specifically of Gavin Newsom's leadership. But
I wonder, Steve, is it just the way it's going
to be there? I mean, one of the problems that
we see is the willingness to suffer for ideological reasons,
(46:16):
and some of these democrat enclaves definitely in the case
of cities like San Francisco, for example, or even New
York unfortunately, is much higher than a lot of people
would imagine.
Speaker 9 (46:26):
Well, you're right, and the ideological is the word. That
is why we're in such a mess, you know, with
the highest rate of poverty, the highest housing cost, the
lowest home ownership, highest cost for gas, electricity, water, everything,
it's a disaster, the worst business climate.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
I mean, that's the point.
Speaker 9 (46:40):
Really, which is that of course across the country we
see the video of the unbelievable homeless encampments and people
wandering are like zombies, and the crime and toothpaste locked
up in walgreens and now the fires, and people see
all that, but actually the underlying problems are even worse.
It's a failure on every front, and people have been
(47:00):
putting up with it, and it's driven by ideology. And
that's one of the things in the book I go
into a love What is this ideology? It's not enough
to just to call it leftism. There's so many different
components to it, and we've got to understand it because
it's going to spread across the country. That's what's been happening.
And if you look at where the Democrats are today,
that seems to be where they're gravitating the Bernie AOC thing.
(47:20):
That's where the energy is. That's what we've got in California.
Now to your question about change, I think people are
waking up. You saw even before the fires, if you
look at the results last November in the presidential election,
even without obviously competing in California, particularly because you're never
going to get the electoral votes, Donald Trump got more
votes than any Republican for a generation in California. You
(47:44):
saw ten counties flip from blue to red, including big
counties like Fresno County, the fifth biggest city. And now
with the fires. I mean I meet people all the
time in Los Angeles. Yeah, Democrats Independence say we can't
go on like this. It is just obvious that we
need a check, we need some balance. It's been this
one party rule for so long. We've got to get
some common sense ideas back in there.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Appreciate you coming on, Steve, but can I talk about
this a lot. It's not just that California has fallen apart.
It's that and I'm curious what your experience was growing
up and what you thought about California. I just came
back from San Francisco. It is a beautiful geographic jewel,
the likes of which there are not very many of
anywhere in the world. La obviously nearly perfect climate. You
(48:28):
go on up the coast, Seattle, Portland. It's that left
leaning ideas have destroyed some of the most beloved communities
in much of the country. What did you think about
California as a kid growing up far from California and
when did your perception start to change? Because I remember
as a college kid, I had never been to California before.
(48:50):
I remember going out I don't know, probably two thousand thereabouts,
and just being blown away by how spectacular it was.
It seems to have really fallen apart only in the
last ten or fifteen years, and I know many Californians
who will live there feel the same way.
Speaker 9 (49:03):
So I'll tell you a story about that. So I
was totally inspired. I was in the way I put it.
I was in love with California even before we moved here.
We moved in twenty to twelve. I got my citizenship
four years ago. So now I'm a proud American but
also a proud Californian. I love California. In fact, there's
the story about this is back in the day when
I was working for David Cameron, this is before he
(49:24):
became Prime Minister, and I was leading our policy development,
our political strategy, and there was a cover story in
the Spectator magazine. We all know the Spectator website here
in America. It's actually a printed magazine, the oldest in
the world, actually the political magazine in the UK. They
did a cover story on the direction that we were
working on for the Conservative Party, and the headline on
(49:48):
the story was California Dreaming, and the first lines go
on about Steve Hilton, David Cameron's policy guru, is inspired
by California and the theme of their policy work is
to make the UK more like California. Like this is
that fifteen twenty years ago, And the question is is
there any political advisor to any politician anywhere in the
(50:08):
world who would want to make their country more like
California today? And it shows you just how far we've fallen,
how quickly with this far left ideology.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Dominant in California.
Speaker 9 (50:20):
But actually the point is all the problems of California
are self inflicted and we can turn it around. And
actually part two of the book is called Caliphailure, but
Part two of the book is called Califuture, and that
is my plan for how we actually turn things around
and restore California to what it should be, which is
the best of America, not the worst, which is what
it is now.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
Now you didn't go on Gavin Newsom's podcast, but I
want you to the degree that you can be as
objective as you can in telling us, is this guy
going to be the leader of the Democrat Party in
the next election cycle? Do you see him being able
to swindle enough people in the middle that he's able
to rise through the ranks and go from being governor
(51:04):
to presidential nominee, Because from what I see, he has
had some right wing people on his podcast, and he's
not abandoning the crazy left positions, but he's at least
putting on a show of I'll have a conversation. I'm
not that crazy.
Speaker 9 (51:19):
Exactly, And I think you should not underestimate him. I
know him a little bit obviously watched him closely. And
that's the point about him, is that he is like
Kambala Harris before, like Joe Biden, like Karen Back. You know,
these are machine politicians, Okay they and they will say
whatever is politically expedient. But Gavin Newsom says it better
than most, and so don't underestimate him in a way.
(51:42):
That's why I wanted not partly why I wanted to
write the book is like, this is the record that
he's presided over. It's a total failure on every front.
So yes, you can talk, I mean a good example
the difference between talk and action. So he's on, you know,
as Charlie kirk On and agrees how unfair is deeply unfair?
Was his phrase about, you know, met biological men and
girls sports. What's he doing about it?
Speaker 5 (52:04):
Nothing?
Speaker 9 (52:04):
He's the governor Now. Next week in the state legislature
there are two bills up for vote that would stop
this madness? Is he going to weigh So far, he's
avoided even talking about it. So you've got to pin
him down on the actions. And the actions that have
happened in California have been a complete disaster.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Putting out fires seems like maybe the number one thing
that people would expect the government to be capable of
and expect the government to be responsible for the fire
situation in the Los Angeles area seems to have been
for many people a recognition that the policy choices they
make Karen Bass, for instance, as mayor have consequences. Do
(52:45):
you get the sense that that could change political voting
behavior or is it so ideologically committed at this point
that people would have to recognize that they made poor choices,
and lots of people don't want to acknowledge mistake. How
do you get them to change and how the fires
potentially impact Well, that's the.
Speaker 9 (53:03):
Job of campaigning and to bring that home. I mean,
I can tell you right now I'm working with Nicole
Shanahan on a recall campaign for Karen Bass, because every
day that she's there is a disaster. And one of
the reasons that we're doing that is to is to
show if we can, if we can pull it off,
that the Democrat machine in California, that kind of Democrat
(53:24):
industrial complex of the unions that fund the politicians and
the far left activists and the bureaucrats and all that,
that it can be beaten and if we can do
it there in Los Angeles for Karen Bass, I think
that's a very encouraging sign that people are ready for change.
Speaker 5 (53:38):
Look, if we don't put it off, I still think
we should. We need to fight.
Speaker 9 (53:42):
We need to make sure that people understand. I'll give
you a story which really encouraging. Huntington Beach not the
biggest city in California, an iconic one serf city USA.
So just over four years ago, the council in Huntington
Beach was six' to One. DEMOCRAT a friend of, Mine Tony,
strickland put together a team of strong. Candidates they in
twenty twenty, two they took control of the council four
(54:03):
to three on a very strong conservative. Platform they then
implemented that they had a lot of, energy just like
you're seeing From President trump right. Now they cleaned up the,
streets they cleaned homeless, Encompents they prosecuted, Crime they dealt
with the nonsense in the schools and the. Libraries they
actually put in a ballot initiative for VOTER id which
passed then In.
Speaker 5 (54:22):
November just, now in.
Speaker 9 (54:22):
Twenty twenty, four they put forward seven candidates as a.
Slate they called themselves The Magnificent seven to show you
where they were coming.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
From they had a clean.
Speaker 9 (54:31):
Sweep they won all the, seats so in four years
that city has gone from six to One democrat control
to seven Zero. Republican so it shows what it can
be done if you actually, fight AND i think that's
what we need to show Cross. California that's WHY i
really do believe change is possible sooner than many people.
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failure which also goes Into. Califuture so it's not just the,
problems it's also the. Fix And, steve best of luck to.
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Speaker 5 (55:05):
Soon, absolutely thanks.
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