April 4, 2025 • 56 mins
Clay and Buck delve into the stock market downturn, discussing the impact on 401(k)s and the importance of not obsessing over stock prices. They highlight the economic policies of President Trump, particularly his efforts to correct decades of futility in immigration, border policy, federal budget processes, and trade agreements. The conversation shifts to the tariffs imposed by Trump, emphasizing the need for fairer trade agreements and the short-term pain associated with these drastic changes.
The hosts also discuss the political implications of Trump's actions, noting the lack of support from Democrats and the potential long-term benefits of onshoring jobs. They touch on the national security aspect of relying on foreign countries for essential goods and the importance of domestic manufacturing. The show features clips from prominent figures like Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders, who previously advocated for tariffs and fair trade agreements, highlighting the shift in political stances over time.
Senator Tommy Tuberville joins the show, discussing the economic reset under Trump's administration and the need for drastic changes to address the country's challenges. He also addresses the issue of transgender athletes in women's sports, sharing the story of Stephanie Turner, a young woman who refused to compete against a male athlete in a fencing tournament.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in for the Friday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with
us all over the country.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am sun tanned, chastened.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I had a debacle of a day on the golf course,
as is often the case, but thanks to Pa, to
the guys who played with me, who were fabulous across
the board, and we had a what I would say
it was a pretty good time across the board. We'll
get into that a little bit as we moved throughout
(00:32):
the program, but live going on at Durrow. I played
yesterday Buck with Paul Casey and at the turn Charles
Howell the third, so I got nine holes with each guys.
Turns out they're both pretty good at golf. Case you wondered.
President Trump flew in at the near the end of
our round, and I don't know if he's staying in
(00:52):
Durrow the Miami area to watch the tournament. I heard
he was going to be there a decent amount on
his golf course, but I saw him walking in yesterday
and the drama of the day though, and I thought
about this because I looked down at my phone a
little bit as we were as we were traveling, and
(01:14):
then also as I was on the golf course, I
tried to have to check my phone that much, and
I was like, oh Man, stock Market. Bucks just dodging bullets,
solo in the show, talking tariffs, taking calls, emails. Everybody's
looking at their four oh one ks, and so I
figured we probably should start off talking about this. Also,
we'll take some of your calls. We've got a loaded show.
(01:36):
By the way, Senator Tommy Tuberville going to be with us,
Dave Rutherford, who was a part of the Clay and
Buck podcast network, Dave McCormick and his wife Dina Powell.
They have a great new book out, and Auburn men's
basketball coach Bruce Pearl scheduled to call in. He's a
fan of the program and he has got the Auburn
Tigers playing in the NCAA tournament, which I also heard
there was some controversy surrounding bucks pronunciation of tournament yesterday,
(02:01):
Auburn playing against Florida on one side, Houston against Duke
on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I just need to clarify something, Clay, because after some
of your video from the golf course made its way online,
there's talk that you can hit three hundred and thirty
yards from the blues and that now people are calling
you Shooter mctravis.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That would be a great I'd be a great fantasy
football team name Shooter mctravis. I don't know that anyone
has ever put four worst shots together to begin around
than I did on yesterday with a PGA and live
pro historically Paul Casey, super successful guy. It's bad to
(02:44):
hit a bad golf shot when you're playing with your buddies.
It's really bad to hit a bad golf shot when
you're playing with pros. So anyway, four worst shots that
have ever existed in the history of golf. I'm sure
some of you out there listening are raising your hands,
say Clay, you should have seen me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But I'm telling you these.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Were the four worst shots that have ever been strung
together in the history of golf. Okay, what's going on?
Stock market? I know I tell you not to look,
but I'm just going to tell you what the latest is.
Stock market RTE down right now, not going well. The
S and P five hundred down around four percent so
far today, and the Dow is down right at three
(03:20):
and a half percent. That is not well. Okay, so
general rule before before we begin, I practice this to
the best of my ability. I think if you have
a four to oh one k, if you have stocks,
almost the worst thing you can do, especially if you
(03:41):
have index funds, is sit around and look at them
all the time and obsess about them. Because what the
data reflects is your emotion gets the better of you.
My emotion gets the better of me. And people, overwhelmingly
when they try to time the market sell at the
(04:01):
time when stocks are near their lowest prices, because you're
looking around, you're saying, oh, my goodness, I should have
sold three months ago, and if I had, I would
have X amount of money, and now that money's gone.
This is the way people think, and so you sell
at the absolute worse moment, and then you tend to
buy at the absolute worst moment too, because when stock
prices are going up, you look at prices and you say, man,
(04:22):
I should have bought six months ago. Why didn't I
do it?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Better do it now because they're going to keep going up.
And so people who are timing the market very often
are buying at peaks and selling at valleys. Okay, so
let's start there. Now what is going on. But the
way that I would sort of classify this I was
reading this morning breaking this down, Trump is for better
or worse. Trump is trying to correct decades of futility,
(04:50):
whether it's with immigration, border policy, whether it's with waste
and fraud in the federal government and are expansive and
out of control budget processes in general, or trade agreements
which have been fundamentally unbalanced against the United States for
a long time. He knows he doesn't have very much
time because he's only got I know, there's been a
(05:11):
lot of talk about, oh, he's going to get a
third he's not. He's got four years, and he knows
that he has to act super fast in order for
things to start moving in a positive direction. And sometimes
in order to fix things, you have to disrupt, you
have to destroy, you have to tear down the existing systems.
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And we have gotten so used. This is the truth.
Every politician tells you they're going to fix things, and
then they get to Washington, they recognize how much of
a swamp it is, how much of a mess it is,
and they basically say, I'm just going to pass the
buck along. This is why the thirty six trillion dollar
debt exists in the first place because most politicians presume
(05:56):
that when the penalty is there to be paid, their
career are going to be over and somebody else is
going to have to deal with the mess that they created.
Trump is unique in that he sees these messes and
he is trying to fix them.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I don't know, uh, I wasn't able to listen, so
I'm not sure how you kind of dove into it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
My biggest sop top line, we should have fairer trade
agreements with many countries around the world. Most people would
agree with that. The challenge right now is Trump is
taking such drastic, radical action that many companies out there
that made choices believing that politicians would never really do anything.
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For instance, Nike decides, hey, we're going to make all
of our shoes now in Vietnam. They spend all this
money in Vietnam. They never think that the tariffs are
going to come because they never think any politicians actually
going to hold them accountable. Apple makes most of their
phones over in China. Now in India as well, it's
much cheaper, and so as a result, they never thought
(06:59):
what would have happen here is happening, and so there's
a bit of a panic over the drastic changes that
are occurring and what that's going to do to small, medium,
large businesses.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's kind of my biggest takeaway.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, we're also seeing is a week seam, if you will,
in our system, in that when you try to fix
any kind of problem and there's pain associated with it,
even if it's short term pain, there's no benefit politically
for that. So you have to be willing to give
the people their medicine first before things get better. And
(07:36):
I've brought this up before, but there was in order
to tame crazy inflation coming out of the Jimmy Carter years,
Reagan's policies led into a recession that lasted a couple
of years, right, maybe it was eighteen months something like that,
But then you had an absolute boom in America afterwards,
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and a lot of the people in the so called experts,
we're saying that what Reagan was doing was not the
right thing at the time, or people were criticizing him then,
or they maybe criticize him now. If you're going to
fix the problem, especially when it comes to spending, there's
going to be a change in the way that the
money is flowing, and that means there going to be
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some people who are unhappy. And it's interesting to see
who's particularly unhappy now, Clay, I don't sense that you
get a lot of upset people on Main Street. I
think you have a lot of people on Wall Street
who have gotten really addicted to just this endless flow
of money printing. And as long as when you're doing
in large numbers, right, So if you're running a multi
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billion dollar hedge fund, or if you're at a massive
financial institution and investment bank and the government is printing
money and putting it out into the system, and you're
involved in the transactions and the monetizing effectively, the monetizing
of money, you're good. You just want the flood to continue, right,
But if you're somebody who is making fifty thousand dollars
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a year, well, every year that you're losing three, four
five percent of purchasing power, and every year that you
have a doubling of household goods like eggs or gas
or whatever it is that hurts. And so to deal
with that in the system, you're going to have to
you know, it's like squeezing the balloon somewhere, there's going
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to be a cause and effect here, every action has
an equal and opposite reaction. And I think Trump deserves
credit right now for being willing to do something that
is a risk. I think there's no question about that.
But also I think he's earned the right to take
this kind of a risk based upon his stewardship of
the economy the last time he was president.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So again, I think you look at the border. It's solved,
and I know nobody talks about it in terms of
being able to have illegals come in. We still have
to get a lot of violent predator right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Legal immigration isn't solved, but border security is where we
need it to be.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We told that, we were told that was impossible fix
without congressional action. Trump comes in and effectively illegal crossings
that our southern border have ended. We got Elon Musk
going to work trying to fix the larger economic deficit
that we have built in our federal budget. And frankly,
(10:19):
a lot of what he's finding, I think is blowing
his mind in many other people's minds, and this is
a lot to bite off. Trump also has decided, hey,
by the way, we need to fix global trade imbalance.
Here's the other thing, buck. This is not something that
Trump actually benefits from. This is why it's so rare.
Almost every politician doesn't take on big challenges when the
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payoff occurs long after they are gone. The onshoring of
jobs to replace the offshoring is something that takes years
of investment. It's something this is what we talked about,
that requires multiple terms of a probably Republican administration, because
I can't think of anybody who's Democrat insane on these
(11:05):
issues right now and in the short term. It's going
to create pain. Now, if tariffs are so incredibly awful,
as every left wing economist economist wants to argue, now,
why do they exist? This is a really difficult question
I think for them to answer.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, people should also remember before the before the constitutional
amendment that made it possible for the income tax. Right,
it's not a constitutional amendment. I'm trying to remember this
twenty seven that's room. I think that's right before the
twentieth century, when the income tax came into effect. That
I can say with confidence the country was funded with tariffs.
(11:44):
So it's interesting, and I know that we're a lot
wealthier in twenty twenty four than we were in you know,
eighteen twenty four as a country or twenty twenty five,
Sorry forgot what year it is. But we were growing
rapidly and industrializing rapidly when tariffs were in fact the
way the country was funded. Now that's not to say
(12:05):
that you want to try to fund America with tariffs,
although Trump does talk about that a little bit, but
it does go to this, clearly, isn't the annihilation of
Has it annihilated the Chinese economy? China has tariffs that
are super aggressive, China Clay has tariffs, has currency manipulation,
has ip theft has I mean you add all the
things that they're doing. Has their economy been destroyed China
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nineteen eighty versus today. Have they gotten richer or poorer
with all these things that they have in mind?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No, They've definitely been playing the game. I think the
best example China taking advantage of US buck is they
took total advantage of labor laws in the trade agreements
by just moving a lot of their production to Mexico
and so they can bring it into the country far cheaper.
And that's one reason. You know, the technology has become
such that people can just hopscotch around the world. I
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think Nike used to be in the Philippines. Philippines got
to a expensive so they moved to Vietnam. They have
just continued to move to the country where their their
product cost is the lowest. And and and again the
result has been and I know many of you out
there listening know and feel this, that the average manufacturing
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worker in America is making a Those jobs just don't
exist anymore. And Trump is actually trying to fix much
of that in the Rust Bell.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, and look, he's not banning imports. And it is
important to keep in mind that we're not hoping that
we're going to start making all, you know, T shirts
and sneakers necessarily in America. There are some things that
would be very difficult for us to make profitably, just
based upon cost of labor here and expectations for what
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quality of life would be for a worker here versus
in other places. I mean that there are there's a
lot of push pull, But again Trump has been very
consistent on this. Clay something else we should remind everybody of.
It wasn't that long ago when Pelosi and Chuck Schumer
and others. We're talking about the huge problem of our
trade deficit. So what happened to that? Where where did
(14:08):
all that go? And so we'll dive into some more
of this. But I know right now this is I
think the Democrats are gearing up to make this their
their issue. They're hoping they're rooting against the country. Let's
just say that out loud. They're rooting against the American
economy right now because they think this is their pathway
to retaking the House and maybe the Senate, although I
(14:30):
think that's a stretch unless things get really ugly and
stopping the Trump agenda. So we have to be aware
of the politics and the background of this too, and
we will. We will take your calls on this, and
let's take some pro and and economy. Let's take some
if you really if you love Trump but you're really
worried about the tariffs, I want to hear from you.
And if you either love Trump or if you're iffy
on Trump, or whatever you think on Trump, but you
(14:52):
think the tariffs are absolutely the way to go, we
want to hear that too. So strong opinions either direction,
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Speaker 1 (16:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Friday edition of the program. We're gonna take a
bunch of your calls today. We also have a bunch
of guests coming your way. Uh eight hundred two A
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But I do think it's important to talk about how
many of the people now saying Trump's terrif ideas are unacceptable. Actually,
(16:55):
we're huge proponents of tariffs. Not too long ago, we
played Nancy Pelosi for were you Here's Bernie Sanders in
two thousand and eight saying free trade without tariffs will
destroy American manufacturing cut for.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
What they have said is that we need to not
worry about manufacturing in America because what we should establish
is a policy of unfitted free trade.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
We don't need tariffs.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
What we need is to allow corporate America the freedom,
the freedom to throw American work is out on the street.
People are making fifteen, twenty twenty five bucks an hour,
healthcare pensions. Throw them out on the street because somehow
mount of president, we are going to create wealth in
America and good paying jobs in America as we shut
down plans we move to China corporations there they workers
(17:48):
twenty thirty cents an hour, and we bring the product
back into this country.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It is kind of interesting here, Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
This is when, if you remember the twenty sixteen election,
there was and there probably are some of you out there,
that were deciding between voting for Bernie Sanders or Donald
Trump because many people just wanted a disruptive force in
the wake of the Barack Obama era, and there were
a lot of people New Hampshire in particular. I remember
(18:15):
this voter, Buck, where people went to vote and they
were deciding. I'm crazy to some of you, but hey,
do I want to support Bernie Sanders or do I
want to support Donald Trump? That voter was real. Oh absolutely,
and there was This was an interesting remnant memory of
that twenty sixteen election cycle when there were Bernie people,
(18:38):
and because I was at CNN at the time, there
were Bernie supporters who would have to mutter out of
the side of their mouth, well, I kind of agree
with Trump on some of this trade stuff too, because
they also took this pro if you will, pro worker position.
And I think that there's my view on this, just
to be clear, and we're getting a lot of your
calls in and we want to take different opinions on
(18:59):
this and hear from you.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
My view on this is as follows. One the people,
or rather there are a number of things. One the
people who are saying this is absolutely terrible. Go back
and look at them on the most important policy issues
on economics and otherwise in the last decade or two.
They're wrong on everything. Okay, everything to tell you is
true is not true, or everything to tell you will
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happen does not seem to happen when there's an important
decision to be made. We all know that the US
is wealthy, we all know that our economy is very dynamic.
But when it comes time for a choice. I don't
think that a lot of the voices that are trying
to tear Trump down have a good record at all.
That's one part of it, right. Another part of it
is you look at the effects of the tariffs around,
(19:41):
of tariffs around the world, and who's been doing them
and why they have them. If it was so evidently
a cel self evidently destructive, I'm sorry, but Canada, the
EU wouldn't have tariffs on our products if it was
such a dumb move. And if making people so rich
was what was what not having tariffs does, you'd wonder, Well,
(20:06):
I guess the EU just doesn't doesn't want to be
making money in these different sectors. So there's and and
so I think that's another part of it that there's
no real answer to. And then the other thing is
if you want change, you have to be willing to
change things. And I know that's a tautology, but you
have to actually do something different from what you've been experiencing.
The status quo is going to give you more status quo.
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Trump came in and he said he was going to
change the border, and he did. And as we've talked
about clay huge success, he said he was going to
look at government waste for an abuse. Does is doing that.
Hopefully they'll get a recision package from Congress. If they do,
I think that'll be a considerable success. This is a
big This is a big move, This is a big call.
And Trump is rolling the dice on this one. I
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think he's earned the right to play the hand as
he sees fit. I really and I think that's in
the best interests of the country right now. And you
know what, Clay, if he's wrong, Okay, then we'll double back.
We'll bring these things down. It's not We're not nuking
Moscow over this. You know what I'm saying. This is
not like a million people are incinerated overnight and you
can't say whoopsie after that. I mean, this is about
(21:08):
an ongoing negotiation two things.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And then I want to play Barack Obama talking about
the necessity of reciprocal trade agreements with China when it
comes to tariffs. But gas prices are going to be
based on the price of oil. Gas prices are going
to be the lowest that they've been since the COVID
basic shutdown, So a lot of you are going to
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be seeing gas prices lower than they have been again
in five years. Basically, second part of this, these tariffs
are not supposed to impact the price of goods on
a day to day basis in a substantial way in
grocery stores, meaning whatever you're buying to eat is not
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likely to be impacted in a price. Those are the
two places that I think most Americans notice cost and
so I think that if that happens. Plus, Trump has
sent out a message saying a truth social message saying
that interest rates need to be cut again. If if
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there is a fear that we are sliding towards recession,
Jerome Powell should be cutting interest rates. A cut in
interest rates, let me just point out, would free up
a lot of the housing market. I just the number
of people out there, buck who have two and a
half or three percent interest rates, don't want to leave
their home, and yet don't want to be paying seven
(22:38):
percent for their mortgage rate to go somewhere else has
completely discombobulated the entire housing park market. The run up
that Joe Biden caused in interest rates going from two
and a half to seven percent as rapidly as it
did for mortgages for instance, has to rectify itself in
order for the economic house to get in order. Those
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are three things that I see moving in a positive direction,
even though the stock market in the short term as
it is clearly I start off the show telling you
exactly what's happening is down here is Barack Obama demanding
reciprocity and trade agreements with China. This has cut six
Barack Obama twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
When it comes to the international system of commerce and trade.
It's legitimate for poorer countries to continue to seek access
to wealthier markets. And by the way, wealthier markets, that's
not the big problem that you're having. A small African
country is sending you tea and flowers. That's not your
biggest economic challenge.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
It's also proper for advanced.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
Economies like the United States to insist on reciprocity from
nations like China that are no longer solely poor countries
to make sure that they're providing access to their markets.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So again, China has eaten our lunch phrase that Trump
has used quite a lot. China is saying they're going
to reciprocate with tariff increases on United States goods. But
I think the economic can the United States has much
stronger right now than the economic hand that China has,
and I would suspect this is a prediction. I would
suspect that the phone lines are buzzing at the White
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House and that there are a lot of countries that
want to unilaterally end their tariffs with the United States.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Some already have some. Israel, for example, which is not
a huge trading partner, but it's an important ally and
a trading partner. They've come out and said Prime Minister
nat Yao said, look, we're just I like where Trump's
head is out on this. Let's get rid of it,
and we're going to deepen our relationship even more with
America on trade. So there's also been a willingness, I think,
to renegotiate some of the Canadian tariffs already. This is
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already happening. And the other part of this is it's
a dynamic. This is what I meant play by. This
can be fixed right. This is not a you know,
this is not like the bombing of Pearl Harbor, where
once you start it you know it's going right. There's
the day to day of how is this looking in
the market, what does that other government do to respond?
(25:09):
And Here's the thing. Whenever they are upset about this,
any country that has a tariff against the United States
on what grounds can they be upset about the United
States putting a tariff on their items? That's the entire
crux of this, right, I mean, these really were in
the right. I mean Trump, I think, in general, would
(25:29):
prefer just an even playing field for American goods compared
to other goods, and so instead of us getting lots
of other countries, including China, to your point, I mean, yes,
look at the average income in China since nineteen eighty.
The most of that money, to a large extent, that
money is coming off of Chinese goods being able to
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be bought by Americans in the trade imbalance that that
has created. And then there's we didn't even get into
this yet. We talked to I talked about a bit yesterday, Clay,
when you were making Happy Gilmore like a guy who
can't even can't hit you know what I mean, week
swing Happy Gilmore compared to Clay. But we talked about
Steven Miller and how I played some of his explanations
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of this. There's also a national security component of this.
How can anyone tell me it's not just that we
get a lot of our I mean when I say
a lot, I think it's like eighty or ninety percent
of different kinds of antibiotics and other whether it's precursors
for computer chips or just a huge range. I mean,
I can't even begin to run off the list of
(26:36):
what we rely on China for. Imagine if during the
Cold War we said to people, you know what, we
need to rely on the Soviets for antibiotics. We need
to rely on the Soviets for you know, simple manufactured
goods that are going to be necessary for us in
a long conflict. People haven't paid enough attention to this
(26:59):
in my mind, Clay, there have been concerns from the
US military, from the Pentagon all along about how long
we can even sustain the arm shipments to Ukraine, stretching
art Think about that. The Ukrainian war is stretching our
war supply chain capability.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I understand it's far away, but the point is we
can't make enough artillery rounds fast enough right now. So
domestic industry is more than just whether you can buy
cheap flat screen TVs is the point, and I think
Steven Miller's been hitting that point hard.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Not only that, I mean I've raised the question, and
I think it's a really tough one that nobody has
an answer for. What happens if China actually invades Taiwan,
if we had a war start. Our reliance on China
to produce many of the goods that the United States
has to have is actually, I think maybe buck the
largest national security issue we have. Leaving a side, Look,
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somebody could get a nuclear weapon and set it off
somewhere around the world, right, I'm talking about in a
state actor situation. The danger of China controlling so much
of the flow of American commerce is that if they
decided to engage in some nefarious action, we just have
to wear it. I think because we don't have the
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ability to produce our own products without China being involved.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, I think we rely a lot on the Taiwanese
being able to extract such a high price from a
Chinese invasion of and well, but probably there's a lot
of different theories on this. There's a lot of war
gaming around this. What China would most likely do, in
my view, is they would try to just launch missile
and air strikes, missile strikes and pummel the island into
(28:43):
submission as much as possible, and then maybe they would
try some kind of a amphibious landing operation, which you know,
Taiwan is not big compared to China, but it's obviously
very sophisticated technologically, and it's it's a rough country to invade.
The back eastern half of it. There's a lot, it's
very rugged, there's a lot of mountains. I'm just saying
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that we're really relying a lot on the Taiwanese, making
it ugly for China, much more so than I think
we would just be able to ride in like the
cavalry in a Western movie and save the day. Would
not be it would not be easy or fun for anyone,
And that's putting it mildly.
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Speaker 3 (30:41):
Welcome back in everybody. We have Senator Tubberville with us now. Senator,
appreciate you being here. Much to discuss with you today.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thank you very much for having me on. Yep, there's
a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
All right, let's talk first. We got some some very
important sports commentary and all that coming here in a second.
But I do have to ask you because there's a
lot of concern out there. The headlines are really all
dominated right now by what the market's doing in response
to Trump's Liberation Day and the tariffs. You are in
the United States Senate, the august legislative body that it is,
(31:16):
you have to oversee a lot of what's going on
with the economy with your fellow senators. Are you worried?
Is this all part of the plan? What do you
tell do a lot of our Trump supporting audience that
has a little bit of concern.
Speaker 11 (31:28):
Right now, Well, everybody's a little concerned. Let me tell
you this. It's called a great reset. I've been here
four years and I've never seen the destruction of a
country so fast. And what the Democrats did for the
last four years and then the eight years before President
Trump went in for four years. He got it back
on track to some point. But we're in trouble. This
(31:49):
whole country's in trouble, and we cannot continue to run
the football up the middle like we've been doing it.
We got to start throwing the ball a little bit.
That's analogy I've been putting on it. The game plan
has changed. We're going to win this game, and we're
going to do things different. Because we stay the course
of what we've been doing, thirty seven three dollars in
(32:09):
debt will be just a small part of what we'll
be in and then we'll end up being a socialist
country with third world mentality of crime and all the
things that are going on. We have got to do
something different and it will work because President Trump understands it.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
So do Scott Bessett, the Secretary.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
And Treasurer Treasurer Howard Ludni Commerce Secretary think had a
great plan.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
I'm looking forward to it. Working.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Senator Tupperville with us right now from Alabama. I appreciate
you joining us. We're going to talk with Bruce Pearl
actually a little bit later, scheduled to in the show,
and I'll ask you about him in a sec. I
think he's the AP coach of the Year. Not a
bad guy, not a bad result there. But you have
been sharing this story and our audience has responded to
(32:54):
in a big way. A young woman was in a
fencing competition and she decided to take a knee rather
than compete against a man who was winning many of
these matches. You coached football, You've got a background in
sports for a long time. Would you have ever believe
(33:14):
that we would be in a position where one political
party is saying men should be able to compete in
women's sports and the other one is just saying, hey,
we think women's sports should just be for women, and
that it's truly turned into a Democrat versus Republican issue.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
It's unbelievable and it's just a continuing motion of what
the Democrats in this city of Washington, d C. Has
done to the American dreamy. They're trying to destroy it.
We're not going to allow that to happen. This young
girl who was fencing the University of Maryland, I think
she was part of university, but she was on the
USA fencing team, you know, refuse to compete against the man.
(33:53):
And she is exactly right. I mean, there's no there's
no business whatsoever for young boys or men to participate
against girls or women. And you got to think about this.
And President Trump's even said this. In a couple of years,
we're getting ready to have the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
We'll be the laughing stock of the world if we
can't get this back going the way it should be.
(34:15):
I can remember watching the last Olympics and that boy
or man boxing against that young lady yep, and it
was a mismatch. So we got to get it done.
I've been I've had three bills on the floor. All
three of them have not passed. Now one Democrat ever
votes to keep men out of women's sports.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It is a disaster.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
Now I've got no men in Olympic sports, and we'll
put that on the floor. But they're gonna fight against it.
I don't understand. I asked them, you know, what do
you believe in and what we believe in the rights
of everybody, How about the rights for young girls and women?
Because we're gonna lose women's sports if we don't watch it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Let me give you a little bit more detail. For
those of you out there who may not know young
woman's name, Stephanie Turner. She said Fox News this morning.
I told them I was refusing to fence because this
person is a man, and I'm a woman, and this
is a women's tournament. The USA Fencing Organization then kicked
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her out of the tournament and has expelled her from.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Being able to compete. But this is a very powerful moment.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's on video her saying quite simply, I'm a woman
and it's a women's tournament, and I'm not going to
compete against a man. And the fact that this is
a political issue in any way is crazy. I coach
a little league baseball. Let me tell you, if somebody
had shown up with a sixteen year old and tried
to play in twelve you, every parent in America would
have said no. That's why we have agent limits. This
(35:41):
is also why we have men and women's sports.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Buck Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Yeah, And you'd had absolutely parents all over you too.
You'd have had parents.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
All over yes, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
What know, Senator, Senator Zupperville, You know President Trump has
taken a very strong posture on this, and specifically in
the case of Maine. We recall the governor of Maine
got into a little back and forth with him, and
she said, you know, I'll see you in court, which
is generally not something you want to say to Trump
(36:13):
because this guy, this guy lives for the conflict. He
loves to throw down when he thinks he needs to
and when he thinks he's in the right now. It
turns out that it looks like Maine's trying to back
off a little bit, but the federal funding is going
to get cut to Maine if they continue down this pathway.
I mean, do you support taking those kinds of actions
to protect women in sports? What would you like to
(36:35):
see done?
Speaker 11 (36:36):
Everything that we possibly can do, we have to do it.
It has started not at the just the high school
or college level. It's got to start at in elementary school.
It's got to start at in the in the levels
that we need young girls to be involved and enjoy
participating in sports. To get them involved in it. It's
made great leadership out of a lot of women over
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the years. When I first got into coaching, Title nine
just started and it opened up the avenues for many,
many different sports that girls didn't have. Softball, volleyball, track,
got them involved. It's built leadership around this country, and
I'm telling you what's gonna happen, This transgender nonsense, and
(37:22):
the NIL at the same time is going to put
title nine in women's sports under because NIL is taking
money away. You can't survive without money in athletics. And
now you've got transgender boys that want to participate.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
So it's a double whammy on women.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
And girls' sports, and you know it's it's absolutely shamed.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
We're having to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
We're talking with center Tommy Tuberville. I just mentioned Bruce
Pearley scheduled to join us in a bit. You're an
Auburn guy or eagle for all of our Alabama and
Auburn fans out there. You coached Auburn football, which has
been a long time big winner. You had a lot
of success there. Auburn basketball has not. Bruce pearl has
them two wins away from the national championship. He was
(38:08):
just named AP Coach of the Year. How big of
a deal is that and how hard are you rooting
for Auburn this weekend?
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Very well deserved. I live in Auburn. I play golf
with Bruce all the time. I was at a function
with him. A couple of weeks ago. He has done
an amazing job of that program. I remember I got
there ninety nine were decent in basketball. Couldn't hardly sell
any season tickets. Now you can't get a ticket. I've
got I live in that town and I begged to
get a ticket to get into a game. He has
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done one of the best jobs probably ever done in
college athletics to get something turned around.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
But you got to give kudos to.
Speaker 11 (38:41):
To the entire sec of the athletes now that they
have in basketball, all across other than Kentucky. Used to
be just Kentucky. Now they all can play basketball. And
Alabama almost made the Final four, and.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
It was close.
Speaker 11 (38:57):
I thought they had one of the top four teams,
but they didn't make it. But Auburn's in it. I'll
be voting here tomorrow. Unfortunately I won't get to go.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
To the game.
Speaker 11 (39:05):
But I'm looking forward to the game and tell Bruce
good luck for me. I talked to him yesterday, but
he'd get a little bit tight uptight.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
And but that's Bruce Pearl. I mean he takes it
very very seriously.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Senator Trupperville, you know Clay twice this week had to
go play golf. You know, I had to be here
trying to say the Republic and hold together America to
the best of my ability, while my esteemed co host
was out there on the links as one does. I
don't know if you saw any video of him, but
you have any. You know you are a phenomenal coach.
(39:35):
That is beyond question. Can you give him any coaching
on his swing? Because some people are saying some things
about my friend Clay about his golf swing, and I
feel the need to defend him. What do we have here?
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Well, most things start out with talent, and you got
talent and athletic ability. You know, it's good that you
can just play any sport and whether you're good at
it or not, it takes a lot out of pressure off.
It's you know, it's good for exercise and all that,
but it all starts for that athletic ability. I think
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he's got some, but he needs to work on it.
And again, not elite.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That's right, coach, you can only it's it ain't the
Jimmy's and the Axes and those all the time. It's
Jimmy's and the Joe's and I don't have it. I
don't have a lot of athletic ability here when it
comes to to golf.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
My swing does not look good. I deserve all the criticism.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
Yeah yeah, well it's uh, you win a lot of
games unless you have players.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That was not That was not the inspiring locker room
speech from Coach Tubberville. I was expecting he's basically telling
Clay that got to leave it to the pros. Well
raise some great money for charity earlier this week for
till the Towers and Senator Tubberville. Really appreciate you being
with us as always. Thanks for making the time.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Thanks guys, talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Okay, Look, I mean, you know we're talking about Clay's swing,
but I got swung out yesterday. The pronunciation police, no,
I need to hear them me big time, bigly, bigly
pronunciation police lighting me up over how I pronounce the
word that I'm now I guess supposed to say tournament.
(41:10):
They say it's tournament. I say tournament. Darn it like
TORNI grip, although maybe it's turna grip actually, now that
I think about it, which is what I use on
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Welcome back in our number three, fourteen hours Up, fifteenth
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Speaker 2 (43:29):
We are joined now.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Speaking of that podcast network, we have got a great
cadre of phenomenal talent, whether it is Tutor Dixon, whether
it is Carol Markowitz, Mary Katherine ham Our buddy Ryan Gerdusky.
You can find all of their podcasts inside of the
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(43:54):
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And Buck, why don't you introduce our guest and explain
why he's the perfect edition to the podcast network.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well, we wanted somebody who is a true patriot who
is completely supportive of the Trump agenda, but also brings
substantial combat experience, is a leader, a mentor, a motivational speaker,
former Navy seal. Our friend David Rutherford joins us. Now
he's launching the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and
(44:34):
Buck Network. Dave, great to have.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
You, man.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
When is the first episode dropping?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Get him up.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Let me tell you this Buck breaking news that has
just happened in the past few minutes. For those of
you out there that are active on TikTok, maybe you're
learning dances like the dance that Buck learned. The TikTok
sale deadline has been extended for seventy five days, so
the expectation is that an American owned company is going
(45:03):
to have fifty one percent or more of the overall
TikTok universe. And you've been saying this is likely to
happen for some time. I think Clay, we figured out
what our next. You're about to win. This is a
little sad for me. You're about to win a steak.
I tell you this is fun.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
First of all, we had our good Rancher's Feast earlier
in this week and it was absolutely fantastic, fantastic. We
just those steaks and Carrie made homemade ice cream. She
thinks I'm getting too skinny. I think she's feeding me
good rancher steaks and homemade ice cream.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I have to say that ice cream that she made.
The homemade ice cream was maybe the best ice cream
I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean, I agree, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, well, now some of you are like, boock, why'd
you get in all this weight after you get married.
My wife is an amazing cook and specifically can make
the best homemade from scratch ice cream you've ever tasted
in your life. But we had great steaks everything else.
You know, my dad, we're gonna bring this into the
betting conversation here a second. My dad Clay, when we
(46:06):
were down there, I was like, oh, you know, do
you want to go to a steakhouse? And he just
sort of threw this in there. He's like, He's like, yeah, buco,
we could go to a steakhouse. What about that one
where you took Clay where they had all the sparklers
and the dead That's great. I was like, buddy, that
was great, but that was the most expensive steak in history.
I love you, Dad, but I don't you know that's
a that's a bet losing steak steakhouse kind of thing.
(46:28):
But anyway, he was really funny about that. He's like
that looked like fun. I'm like, yeah, it is fun,
but you know I'm gonna go I'm gonna go bankrupt
taking you guys to steak dinners. So instead of I'm unfortunately,
I think about to lose, although I haven't given up hope,
haven't given up hope. Gonna lose our March Madness bracket contest,
which I thought I would, but I like to just
you know, like to talk a big game before I
(46:49):
get wiped out. Our next bet, Clay, we can do
on a political issue. It was either you or I
have to post a trendy TikTok dance on TikTok that's
actual and this is an elite bet and share the
video from our x account as well. That's gonna be
(47:11):
the next one. All right, no more stake bets. We're
gonna gates. These are high soas you better be ready
for this one, buddy. If it's like a midterm call
or if it's something big in politics, you're gonna want
to feel solid on this one because Clay doing a
shuffle dance gonna blow, gonna blow the flute AI stuff
out of the water and me doing a shuffle dance.
I do not have the rhythm necessary for it. So
(47:31):
there we go. Did we manage to get Dave on? Yeah,
we've got him. He's ready to roll. Dave Rutherford joins us, Now,
what's up, man? Tell us about tell us about the
new podcast. What you got in store for us?
Speaker 12 (47:42):
Well, I don't want to jump into that yet. I
want to talk about how I get into this whole
thing with my TikTok dance. Man, I know I can.
I can bring it to you guys pretty good.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I think I will tell you this. Rutherford for a
man who has learned substantial skills of firearms. I've been
the range with day countless times. He's a great instructor
for myself, my brothers. We've been out many, many times
a day. He knows explosives, he knows hand to hand.
He's handy with a tennis racket too. So he's a
man of many skills and talent. So if we also
(48:13):
call him Rut for everybody, because his last name is Rutherfurds.
If you hear me call him Rutt, that's his nickname.
But Dave, Yeah, we can get you in on all
these bets, man, because you're in the family. Now you're
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. I think
you're launching Monday, but tell everybody a little bit about yourself,
because we only bring studs and winners into the podcast network,
as evidenced by how the ratings grow month to month.
Speaker 12 (48:37):
Well, I mean, it's such an incredible honor to be
with you guys. I mean, you guys have been the
people that I've been paying attention for as long as
I can remember. The way you guys deliver your information
is just such a privilege and honor, you know, as
a former Navy seal and CII contractor, you know, I
(48:58):
was like, man, I'm pretty fired up, but this is
definitely a little a little little intense getting on with
you guys and represent you guys. But I think you know,
with my background and also you know my background as
a motivational performance coach. You know, I did win a
world series with the Boston Red Sox back in twenty eighteen.
(49:19):
What I'm stoked to be able to do is to
bring all of that experience to your audience and hopefully
develop my own following, but really to dig into all
the different ideas. I mean not just motivation and performance
and tactical or security analysis, but more so just opinion
on the cultural wars that are taking place, the craziness
(49:41):
we're seeing in schools, you know, and then you know
what's going on around the world. Man, I mean, this tariff,
this tariff war has got me kind of fired up
right now. But we're gonna hit everything on the David
Rutherford Show, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
What do you think when you look around now, there
are positives starting to kind of show up everywhere. In particular,
it seems like a lot of younger guys and gals
are willing to serve the country, the Marines, the military.
They're hitting their recruitment goals, which they hadn't been doing
for a long time. What do you attribute that to?
(50:18):
Do you think there's this wellspring of patriotism that hasn't
been tended to that long, but that younger guys and
gals are starting to respond to.
Speaker 12 (50:27):
Clay, that's one hundred percent what it is. I mean,
what numbers you know, prior to Trump getting in office,
We're the lowest numbers we've seen since late nineties and
that's when I first joined. I mean, it was pathetic
back in those days. I mean, we didn't even have
enough money at Seal Team wanted to do full training profiles.
And then obviously the g WoT exploded and everybody wanted
(50:49):
to serve. Patriotism was everything. Flags were everywhere for the
first part of that war, and then as people grew
tired of it, and then what really I think was
the most detrimental thing out of all was just how
Iraq wound down. How you know, obviously the Afghanistan pull
out was an atrocious abomination in every way shape for
(51:11):
in my opinion, it was worse than Saigon. But you know,
I think it's more than that. It was the Dei stuff.
It was, you know, a lack of meritocracy in there.
But now Man Pete's back in office, You've got Bongino
as deputy director of the FBI, You've got a resurgence
in American patriots is an American pride, and I think
(51:34):
young men out there are ready to put their courage
on the line for what American really stands for. And
so I think that's a direct correlation for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Talking to our friend David Rutherford, David Rutherford Show launches
in the Clay and Buck podcast network coming up on
this Monday, so make sure you go to the iHeart
app where we get your podcasts and subscribe. You know, Dave,
I think also one thing that you bring to the
table that is going to be really interesting as perspective,
and I know, going to be covering big news of
the day of course, and getting into as you said,
culture war stuff and where things stand based on the
(52:07):
news cycle. But you're both a seasoned, a grizzled warrior
and a girl dad and an era of questions about
what American masculinity means. I mean, I think to be
a sealed, to have been to combat, and now to
be raising four girls, And you know, these are voices
(52:30):
that we just need to have more out there, because
there are some folks who are running into this space
and building substantial followings who maybe diagnose the problems of
masculinity the right way sometimes, but definitely don't have the solutions.
I think you can bring the solutions, or you can
bring the advice that young men and guys your own
age need to hear.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
Well.
Speaker 12 (52:50):
I appreciate you saying that, Buck, I mean, the most
thing that I care most about in this light, in
this world are my four daughters and my wife, right,
And that's my faith and wants me to believe that.
But what I also do, and I have been doing
for the past, you know, twenty plus years, is I've
been mentoring young men. I've got one young man I've
been meant to touring since he was twelve years old.
(53:11):
He's thirty three. He's currently at Seal Team six.
Speaker 10 (53:14):
Right.
Speaker 12 (53:14):
I've got another young man I started mentoring when he
was sixteen. He went on to the Virginia Military Institute
and then just left being a Green Beret after eight years.
And so I do have a track record of not
only you know, mentoring athletes, but also young men in
terms of pursuing their height and ambition. You know, the
biggest things that I want my daughters to be aware
(53:35):
of is strong, confident, courageous, and noble young men. And
so how do you teach that? How do you teach courageousness?
How do you teach nobility? And I think where it
really is is going back to those those core stories
of great men that built this country. And so what
I'm really going to focus on doing is bringing those
(53:56):
stories back, bringing that culture back to the forefront. Of
the consciousness of young men in this in this country,
and hopefully, you know, if they're out searching for for
the right role models or mentors. I'm sure I'm telling
you what I'm I'm I'm really hoping that I can
provide that that voice and that conduit so that they
have something that they can model themselves.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
After no doubt, I cannot wait for this podcast to
get underway.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
We're excited about it. I just one thing I want
to throw in Clay. First of all, everyone, Dave Brutherford Show,
first episode Monday, go check it out. It drops. It's
gonna be a fantastic show. Dave is a dear friend.
He's a great patriot. He's the kind of guy you
want to hang out with. He's the kind of guy
you want to go shooting with. I've gone many times
with Dave Clay to that end. We're gonna now for
sure get you out range day. We're gonna get Clay.
(54:44):
I mean, Clay's gonna be out there shirtless with the sixty.
I'm telling you what.
Speaker 12 (54:47):
We're gonna make this happen well, claim Clay's natural athlete.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Man.
Speaker 12 (54:52):
I watched the video of him playing golf with the
president last week man, and I was like, Okay, that dude.
We can get him on the on the range. We
can get him doing some my ads. You know, certainly,
I hope he doesn't show up wearing shorts like you do, Buck,
but I know he'll be squared away.
Speaker 8 (55:08):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
It's funny real quick. For those of you who know
Tonto from Thirteen Hours, I show up at shorts one
day to range day, Clay and I go and Rut's like,
you're wearing shorts. I'm like, Tonto wear shorts and Ruts like, yeah,
but he's Chris Paranto.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh that's awesome. Fair, that's awesome. I can't wait to
check out the podcast. We appreciate you coming on and
being a part of the network and look forward to
getting out and you trying to make me look like
I can actually hit something.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You got it.
Speaker 12 (55:33):
Thank you Jamen so much. Is such an honor to
be a part of the Claim Buck podcast Networks. Thank
you for the opportunity. I promise I won't let you
guys down. I'll grind harder than I did when I
was in the teams for you.
Speaker 8 (55:45):
Love it. Thank you.
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Welcome back in for the Friday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. We appreciate all of you hanging out with
us all over the country.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am sun tanned, chastened.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I had a debacle of a day on the golf course,
as is often the case, but thanks to Pa, to
the guys who played with me, who were fabulous across
the board, and we had a what I would say
it was a pretty good time across the board. We'll
get into that a little bit as we moved throughout
(00:32):
the program, but live going on at Durrow. I played
yesterday Buck with Paul Casey and at the turn Charles
Howell the third, so I got nine holes with each guys.
Turns out they're both pretty good at golf. Case you wondered.
President Trump flew in at the near the end of
our round, and I don't know if he's staying in
(00:52):
Durrow the Miami area to watch the tournament. I heard
he was going to be there a decent amount on
his golf course, but I saw him walking in yesterday
and the drama of the day though, and I thought
about this because I looked down at my phone a
little bit as we were as we were traveling, and
(01:14):
then also as I was on the golf course, I
tried to have to check my phone that much, and
I was like, oh Man, stock Market. Bucks just dodging bullets,
solo in the show, talking tariffs, taking calls, emails. Everybody's
looking at their four oh one ks, and so I
figured we probably should start off talking about this. Also,
we'll take some of your calls. We've got a loaded show.
(01:36):
By the way, Senator Tommy Tuberville going to be with us,
Dave Rutherford, who was a part of the Clay and
Buck podcast network, Dave McCormick and his wife Dina Powell.
They have a great new book out, and Auburn men's
basketball coach Bruce Pearl scheduled to call in. He's a
fan of the program and he has got the Auburn
Tigers playing in the NCAA tournament, which I also heard
there was some controversy surrounding bucks pronunciation of tournament yesterday,
(02:01):
Auburn playing against Florida on one side, Houston against Duke
on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I just need to clarify something, Clay, because after some
of your video from the golf course made its way online,
there's talk that you can hit three hundred and thirty
yards from the blues and that now people are calling
you Shooter mctravis.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
That would be a great I'd be a great fantasy
football team name Shooter mctravis. I don't know that anyone
has ever put four worst shots together to begin around
than I did on yesterday with a PGA and live
pro historically Paul Casey, super successful guy. It's bad to
(02:44):
hit a bad golf shot when you're playing with your buddies.
It's really bad to hit a bad golf shot when
you're playing with pros. So anyway, four worst shots that
have ever existed in the history of golf. I'm sure
some of you out there listening are raising your hands,
say Clay, you should have seen me.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But I'm telling you these.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Were the four worst shots that have ever been strung
together in the history of golf. Okay, what's going on?
Stock market? I know I tell you not to look,
but I'm just going to tell you what the latest is.
Stock market RTE down right now, not going well. The
S and P five hundred down around four percent so
far today, and the Dow is down right at three
(03:20):
and a half percent. That is not well. Okay, so
general rule before before we begin, I practice this to
the best of my ability. I think if you have
a four to oh one k, if you have stocks,
almost the worst thing you can do, especially if you
(03:41):
have index funds, is sit around and look at them
all the time and obsess about them. Because what the
data reflects is your emotion gets the better of you.
My emotion gets the better of me. And people, overwhelmingly
when they try to time the market sell at the
(04:01):
time when stocks are near their lowest prices, because you're
looking around, you're saying, oh, my goodness, I should have
sold three months ago, and if I had, I would
have X amount of money, and now that money's gone.
This is the way people think, and so you sell
at the absolute worse moment, and then you tend to
buy at the absolute worst moment too, because when stock
prices are going up, you look at prices and you say, man,
(04:22):
I should have bought six months ago. Why didn't I
do it?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
A lot?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Better do it now because they're going to keep going up.
And so people who are timing the market very often
are buying at peaks and selling at valleys. Okay, so
let's start there. Now what is going on. But the
way that I would sort of classify this I was
reading this morning breaking this down, Trump is for better
or worse. Trump is trying to correct decades of futility,
(04:50):
whether it's with immigration, border policy, whether it's with waste
and fraud in the federal government and are expansive and
out of control budget processes in general, or trade agreements
which have been fundamentally unbalanced against the United States for
a long time. He knows he doesn't have very much
time because he's only got I know, there's been a
(05:11):
lot of talk about, oh, he's going to get a
third he's not. He's got four years, and he knows
that he has to act super fast in order for
things to start moving in a positive direction. And sometimes
in order to fix things, you have to disrupt, you
have to destroy, you have to tear down the existing systems.
(05:33):
And we have gotten so used. This is the truth.
Every politician tells you they're going to fix things, and
then they get to Washington, they recognize how much of
a swamp it is, how much of a mess it is,
and they basically say, I'm just going to pass the
buck along. This is why the thirty six trillion dollar
debt exists in the first place because most politicians presume
(05:56):
that when the penalty is there to be paid, their
career are going to be over and somebody else is
going to have to deal with the mess that they created.
Trump is unique in that he sees these messes and
he is trying to fix them.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I don't know, uh, I wasn't able to listen, so
I'm not sure how you kind of dove into it.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
My biggest sop top line, we should have fairer trade
agreements with many countries around the world. Most people would
agree with that. The challenge right now is Trump is
taking such drastic, radical action that many companies out there
that made choices believing that politicians would never really do anything.
(06:38):
For instance, Nike decides, hey, we're going to make all
of our shoes now in Vietnam. They spend all this
money in Vietnam. They never think that the tariffs are
going to come because they never think any politicians actually
going to hold them accountable. Apple makes most of their
phones over in China. Now in India as well, it's
much cheaper, and so as a result, they never thought
(06:59):
what would have happen here is happening, and so there's
a bit of a panic over the drastic changes that
are occurring and what that's going to do to small, medium,
large businesses.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
That's kind of my biggest takeaway.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, we're also seeing is a week seam, if you will,
in our system, in that when you try to fix
any kind of problem and there's pain associated with it,
even if it's short term pain, there's no benefit politically
for that. So you have to be willing to give
the people their medicine first before things get better. And
(07:36):
I've brought this up before, but there was in order
to tame crazy inflation coming out of the Jimmy Carter years,
Reagan's policies led into a recession that lasted a couple
of years, right, maybe it was eighteen months something like that,
But then you had an absolute boom in America afterwards,
(07:57):
and a lot of the people in the so called experts,
we're saying that what Reagan was doing was not the
right thing at the time, or people were criticizing him then,
or they maybe criticize him now. If you're going to
fix the problem, especially when it comes to spending, there's
going to be a change in the way that the
money is flowing, and that means there going to be
(08:18):
some people who are unhappy. And it's interesting to see
who's particularly unhappy now, Clay, I don't sense that you
get a lot of upset people on Main Street. I
think you have a lot of people on Wall Street
who have gotten really addicted to just this endless flow
of money printing. And as long as when you're doing
in large numbers, right, So if you're running a multi
(08:40):
billion dollar hedge fund, or if you're at a massive
financial institution and investment bank and the government is printing
money and putting it out into the system, and you're
involved in the transactions and the monetizing effectively, the monetizing
of money, you're good. You just want the flood to continue, right,
But if you're somebody who is making fifty thousand dollars
(09:03):
a year, well, every year that you're losing three, four
five percent of purchasing power, and every year that you
have a doubling of household goods like eggs or gas
or whatever it is that hurts. And so to deal
with that in the system, you're going to have to
you know, it's like squeezing the balloon somewhere, there's going
(09:24):
to be a cause and effect here, every action has
an equal and opposite reaction. And I think Trump deserves
credit right now for being willing to do something that
is a risk. I think there's no question about that.
But also I think he's earned the right to take
this kind of a risk based upon his stewardship of
the economy the last time he was president.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So again, I think you look at the border. It's solved,
and I know nobody talks about it in terms of
being able to have illegals come in. We still have
to get a lot of violent predator right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Legal immigration isn't solved, but border security is where we
need it to be.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
We told that, we were told that was impossible fix
without congressional action. Trump comes in and effectively illegal crossings
that our southern border have ended. We got Elon Musk
going to work trying to fix the larger economic deficit
that we have built in our federal budget. And frankly,
(10:19):
a lot of what he's finding, I think is blowing
his mind in many other people's minds, and this is
a lot to bite off. Trump also has decided, hey,
by the way, we need to fix global trade imbalance.
Here's the other thing, buck. This is not something that
Trump actually benefits from. This is why it's so rare.
Almost every politician doesn't take on big challenges when the
(10:43):
payoff occurs long after they are gone. The onshoring of
jobs to replace the offshoring is something that takes years
of investment. It's something this is what we talked about,
that requires multiple terms of a probably Republican administration, because
I can't think of anybody who's Democrat insane on these
(11:05):
issues right now and in the short term. It's going
to create pain. Now, if tariffs are so incredibly awful,
as every left wing economist economist wants to argue, now,
why do they exist? This is a really difficult question
I think for them to answer.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, people should also remember before the before the constitutional
amendment that made it possible for the income tax. Right,
it's not a constitutional amendment. I'm trying to remember this
twenty seven that's room. I think that's right before the
twentieth century, when the income tax came into effect. That
I can say with confidence the country was funded with tariffs.
(11:44):
So it's interesting, and I know that we're a lot
wealthier in twenty twenty four than we were in you know,
eighteen twenty four as a country or twenty twenty five,
Sorry forgot what year it is. But we were growing
rapidly and industrializing rapidly when tariffs were in fact the
way the country was funded. Now that's not to say
(12:05):
that you want to try to fund America with tariffs,
although Trump does talk about that a little bit, but
it does go to this, clearly, isn't the annihilation of
Has it annihilated the Chinese economy? China has tariffs that
are super aggressive, China Clay has tariffs, has currency manipulation,
has ip theft has I mean you add all the
things that they're doing. Has their economy been destroyed China
(12:28):
nineteen eighty versus today. Have they gotten richer or poorer
with all these things that they have in mind?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No, They've definitely been playing the game. I think the
best example China taking advantage of US buck is they
took total advantage of labor laws in the trade agreements
by just moving a lot of their production to Mexico
and so they can bring it into the country far cheaper.
And that's one reason. You know, the technology has become
such that people can just hopscotch around the world. I
(12:57):
think Nike used to be in the Philippines. Philippines got
to a expensive so they moved to Vietnam. They have
just continued to move to the country where their their
product cost is the lowest. And and and again the
result has been and I know many of you out
there listening know and feel this, that the average manufacturing
(13:17):
worker in America is making a Those jobs just don't
exist anymore. And Trump is actually trying to fix much
of that in the Rust Bell.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, and look, he's not banning imports. And it is
important to keep in mind that we're not hoping that
we're going to start making all, you know, T shirts
and sneakers necessarily in America. There are some things that
would be very difficult for us to make profitably, just
based upon cost of labor here and expectations for what
(13:46):
quality of life would be for a worker here versus
in other places. I mean that there are there's a
lot of push pull, But again Trump has been very
consistent on this. Clay something else we should remind everybody of.
It wasn't that long ago when Pelosi and Chuck Schumer
and others. We're talking about the huge problem of our
trade deficit. So what happened to that? Where where did
(14:08):
all that go? And so we'll dive into some more
of this. But I know right now this is I
think the Democrats are gearing up to make this their
their issue. They're hoping they're rooting against the country. Let's
just say that out loud. They're rooting against the American
economy right now because they think this is their pathway
to retaking the House and maybe the Senate, although I
(14:30):
think that's a stretch unless things get really ugly and
stopping the Trump agenda. So we have to be aware
of the politics and the background of this too, and
we will. We will take your calls on this, and
let's take some pro and and economy. Let's take some
if you really if you love Trump but you're really
worried about the tariffs, I want to hear from you.
And if you either love Trump or if you're iffy
on Trump, or whatever you think on Trump, but you
(14:52):
think the tariffs are absolutely the way to go, we
want to hear that too. So strong opinions either direction,
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Speaker 1 (16:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through
the Friday edition of the program. We're gonna take a
bunch of your calls today. We also have a bunch
of guests coming your way. Uh eight hundred two A
two two eight eight two if you want to way in.
But I do think it's important to talk about how
many of the people now saying Trump's terrif ideas are unacceptable. Actually,
(16:55):
we're huge proponents of tariffs. Not too long ago, we
played Nancy Pelosi for were you Here's Bernie Sanders in
two thousand and eight saying free trade without tariffs will
destroy American manufacturing cut for.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
What they have said is that we need to not
worry about manufacturing in America because what we should establish
is a policy of unfitted free trade.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
We don't need tariffs.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
What we need is to allow corporate America the freedom,
the freedom to throw American work is out on the street.
People are making fifteen, twenty twenty five bucks an hour,
healthcare pensions. Throw them out on the street because somehow
mount of president, we are going to create wealth in
America and good paying jobs in America as we shut
down plans we move to China corporations there they workers
(17:48):
twenty thirty cents an hour, and we bring the product
back into this country.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It is kind of interesting here, Buck.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
This is when, if you remember the twenty sixteen election,
there was and there probably are some of you out there,
that were deciding between voting for Bernie Sanders or Donald
Trump because many people just wanted a disruptive force in
the wake of the Barack Obama era, and there were
a lot of people New Hampshire in particular. I remember
(18:15):
this voter, Buck, where people went to vote and they
were deciding. I'm crazy to some of you, but hey,
do I want to support Bernie Sanders or do I
want to support Donald Trump? That voter was real. Oh absolutely,
and there was This was an interesting remnant memory of
that twenty sixteen election cycle when there were Bernie people,
(18:38):
and because I was at CNN at the time, there
were Bernie supporters who would have to mutter out of
the side of their mouth, well, I kind of agree
with Trump on some of this trade stuff too, because
they also took this pro if you will, pro worker position.
And I think that there's my view on this, just
to be clear, and we're getting a lot of your
calls in and we want to take different opinions on
(18:59):
this and hear from you.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
My view on this is as follows. One the people,
or rather there are a number of things. One the
people who are saying this is absolutely terrible. Go back
and look at them on the most important policy issues
on economics and otherwise in the last decade or two.
They're wrong on everything. Okay, everything to tell you is
true is not true, or everything to tell you will
(19:21):
happen does not seem to happen when there's an important
decision to be made. We all know that the US
is wealthy, we all know that our economy is very dynamic.
But when it comes time for a choice. I don't
think that a lot of the voices that are trying
to tear Trump down have a good record at all.
That's one part of it, right. Another part of it
is you look at the effects of the tariffs around,
(19:41):
of tariffs around the world, and who's been doing them
and why they have them. If it was so evidently
a cel self evidently destructive, I'm sorry, but Canada, the
EU wouldn't have tariffs on our products if it was
such a dumb move. And if making people so rich
was what was what not having tariffs does, you'd wonder, Well,
(20:06):
I guess the EU just doesn't doesn't want to be
making money in these different sectors. So there's and and
so I think that's another part of it that there's
no real answer to. And then the other thing is
if you want change, you have to be willing to
change things. And I know that's a tautology, but you
have to actually do something different from what you've been experiencing.
The status quo is going to give you more status quo.
(20:27):
Trump came in and he said he was going to
change the border, and he did. And as we've talked
about clay huge success, he said he was going to
look at government waste for an abuse. Does is doing that.
Hopefully they'll get a recision package from Congress. If they do,
I think that'll be a considerable success. This is a
big This is a big move, This is a big call.
And Trump is rolling the dice on this one. I
(20:47):
think he's earned the right to play the hand as
he sees fit. I really and I think that's in
the best interests of the country right now. And you
know what, Clay, if he's wrong, Okay, then we'll double back.
We'll bring these things down. It's not We're not nuking
Moscow over this. You know what I'm saying. This is
not like a million people are incinerated overnight and you
can't say whoopsie after that. I mean, this is about
(21:08):
an ongoing negotiation two things.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And then I want to play Barack Obama talking about
the necessity of reciprocal trade agreements with China when it
comes to tariffs. But gas prices are going to be
based on the price of oil. Gas prices are going
to be the lowest that they've been since the COVID
basic shutdown, So a lot of you are going to
(21:32):
be seeing gas prices lower than they have been again
in five years. Basically, second part of this, these tariffs
are not supposed to impact the price of goods on
a day to day basis in a substantial way in
grocery stores, meaning whatever you're buying to eat is not
(21:53):
likely to be impacted in a price. Those are the
two places that I think most Americans notice cost and
so I think that if that happens. Plus, Trump has
sent out a message saying a truth social message saying
that interest rates need to be cut again. If if
(22:14):
there is a fear that we are sliding towards recession,
Jerome Powell should be cutting interest rates. A cut in
interest rates, let me just point out, would free up
a lot of the housing market. I just the number
of people out there, buck who have two and a
half or three percent interest rates, don't want to leave
their home, and yet don't want to be paying seven
(22:38):
percent for their mortgage rate to go somewhere else has
completely discombobulated the entire housing park market. The run up
that Joe Biden caused in interest rates going from two
and a half to seven percent as rapidly as it
did for mortgages for instance, has to rectify itself in
order for the economic house to get in order. Those
(22:58):
are three things that I see moving in a positive direction,
even though the stock market in the short term as
it is clearly I start off the show telling you
exactly what's happening is down here is Barack Obama demanding
reciprocity and trade agreements with China. This has cut six
Barack Obama twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
When it comes to the international system of commerce and trade.
It's legitimate for poorer countries to continue to seek access
to wealthier markets. And by the way, wealthier markets, that's
not the big problem that you're having. A small African
country is sending you tea and flowers. That's not your
biggest economic challenge.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
It's also proper for advanced.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
Economies like the United States to insist on reciprocity from
nations like China that are no longer solely poor countries
to make sure that they're providing access to their markets.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So again, China has eaten our lunch phrase that Trump
has used quite a lot. China is saying they're going
to reciprocate with tariff increases on United States goods. But
I think the economic can the United States has much
stronger right now than the economic hand that China has,
and I would suspect this is a prediction. I would
suspect that the phone lines are buzzing at the White
(24:16):
House and that there are a lot of countries that
want to unilaterally end their tariffs with the United States.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Some already have some. Israel, for example, which is not
a huge trading partner, but it's an important ally and
a trading partner. They've come out and said Prime Minister
nat Yao said, look, we're just I like where Trump's
head is out on this. Let's get rid of it,
and we're going to deepen our relationship even more with
America on trade. So there's also been a willingness, I think,
to renegotiate some of the Canadian tariffs already. This is
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already happening. And the other part of this is it's
a dynamic. This is what I meant play by. This
can be fixed right. This is not a you know,
this is not like the bombing of Pearl Harbor, where
once you start it you know it's going right. There's
the day to day of how is this looking in
the market, what does that other government do to respond?
(25:09):
And Here's the thing. Whenever they are upset about this,
any country that has a tariff against the United States
on what grounds can they be upset about the United
States putting a tariff on their items? That's the entire
crux of this, right, I mean, these really were in
the right. I mean Trump, I think, in general, would
(25:29):
prefer just an even playing field for American goods compared
to other goods, and so instead of us getting lots
of other countries, including China, to your point, I mean, yes,
look at the average income in China since nineteen eighty.
The most of that money, to a large extent, that
money is coming off of Chinese goods being able to
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be bought by Americans in the trade imbalance that that
has created. And then there's we didn't even get into
this yet. We talked to I talked about a bit yesterday, Clay,
when you were making Happy Gilmore like a guy who
can't even can't hit you know what I mean, week
swing Happy Gilmore compared to Clay. But we talked about
Steven Miller and how I played some of his explanations
(26:13):
of this. There's also a national security component of this.
How can anyone tell me it's not just that we
get a lot of our I mean when I say
a lot, I think it's like eighty or ninety percent
of different kinds of antibiotics and other whether it's precursors
for computer chips or just a huge range. I mean,
I can't even begin to run off the list of
(26:36):
what we rely on China for. Imagine if during the
Cold War we said to people, you know what, we
need to rely on the Soviets for antibiotics. We need
to rely on the Soviets for you know, simple manufactured
goods that are going to be necessary for us in
a long conflict. People haven't paid enough attention to this
(26:59):
in my mind, Clay, there have been concerns from the
US military, from the Pentagon all along about how long
we can even sustain the arm shipments to Ukraine, stretching
art Think about that. The Ukrainian war is stretching our
war supply chain capability.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Now.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I understand it's far away, but the point is we
can't make enough artillery rounds fast enough right now. So
domestic industry is more than just whether you can buy
cheap flat screen TVs is the point, and I think
Steven Miller's been hitting that point hard.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Not only that, I mean I've raised the question, and
I think it's a really tough one that nobody has
an answer for. What happens if China actually invades Taiwan,
if we had a war start. Our reliance on China
to produce many of the goods that the United States
has to have is actually, I think maybe buck the
largest national security issue we have. Leaving a side, Look,
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somebody could get a nuclear weapon and set it off
somewhere around the world, right, I'm talking about in a
state actor situation. The danger of China controlling so much
of the flow of American commerce is that if they
decided to engage in some nefarious action, we just have
to wear it. I think because we don't have the
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ability to produce our own products without China being involved.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
No, I think we rely a lot on the Taiwanese
being able to extract such a high price from a
Chinese invasion of and well, but probably there's a lot
of different theories on this. There's a lot of war
gaming around this. What China would most likely do, in
my view, is they would try to just launch missile
and air strikes, missile strikes and pummel the island into
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submission as much as possible, and then maybe they would
try some kind of a amphibious landing operation, which you know,
Taiwan is not big compared to China, but it's obviously
very sophisticated technologically, and it's it's a rough country to invade.
The back eastern half of it. There's a lot, it's
very rugged, there's a lot of mountains. I'm just saying
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that we're really relying a lot on the Taiwanese, making
it ugly for China, much more so than I think
we would just be able to ride in like the
cavalry in a Western movie and save the day. Would
not be it would not be easy or fun for anyone,
And that's putting it mildly.
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Speaker 3 (30:41):
Welcome back in everybody. We have Senator Tubberville with us now. Senator,
appreciate you being here. Much to discuss with you today.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
Thank you very much for having me on. Yep, there's
a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
All right, let's talk first. We got some some very
important sports commentary and all that coming here in a second.
But I do have to ask you because there's a
lot of concern out there. The headlines are really all
dominated right now by what the market's doing in response
to Trump's Liberation Day and the tariffs. You are in
the United States Senate, the august legislative body that it is,
(31:16):
you have to oversee a lot of what's going on
with the economy with your fellow senators. Are you worried?
Is this all part of the plan? What do you
tell do a lot of our Trump supporting audience that
has a little bit of concern.
Speaker 11 (31:28):
Right now, Well, everybody's a little concerned. Let me tell
you this. It's called a great reset. I've been here
four years and I've never seen the destruction of a
country so fast. And what the Democrats did for the
last four years and then the eight years before President
Trump went in for four years. He got it back
on track to some point. But we're in trouble. This
(31:49):
whole country's in trouble, and we cannot continue to run
the football up the middle like we've been doing it.
We got to start throwing the ball a little bit.
That's analogy I've been putting on it. The game plan
has changed. We're going to win this game, and we're
going to do things different. Because we stay the course
of what we've been doing, thirty seven three dollars in
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debt will be just a small part of what we'll
be in and then we'll end up being a socialist
country with third world mentality of crime and all the
things that are going on. We have got to do
something different and it will work because President Trump understands it.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
So do Scott Bessett, the Secretary.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
And Treasurer Treasurer Howard Ludni Commerce Secretary think had a
great plan.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
I'm looking forward to it. Working.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Senator Tupperville with us right now from Alabama. I appreciate
you joining us. We're going to talk with Bruce Pearl
actually a little bit later, scheduled to in the show,
and I'll ask you about him in a sec. I
think he's the AP coach of the Year. Not a
bad guy, not a bad result there. But you have
been sharing this story and our audience has responded to
(32:54):
in a big way. A young woman was in a
fencing competition and she decided to take a knee rather
than compete against a man who was winning many of
these matches. You coached football, You've got a background in
sports for a long time. Would you have ever believe
(33:14):
that we would be in a position where one political
party is saying men should be able to compete in
women's sports and the other one is just saying, hey,
we think women's sports should just be for women, and
that it's truly turned into a Democrat versus Republican issue.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
It's unbelievable and it's just a continuing motion of what
the Democrats in this city of Washington, d C. Has
done to the American dreamy. They're trying to destroy it.
We're not going to allow that to happen. This young
girl who was fencing the University of Maryland, I think
she was part of university, but she was on the
USA fencing team, you know, refuse to compete against the man.
(33:53):
And she is exactly right. I mean, there's no there's
no business whatsoever for young boys or men to participate
against girls or women. And you got to think about this.
And President Trump's even said this. In a couple of years,
we're getting ready to have the Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
We'll be the laughing stock of the world if we
can't get this back going the way it should be.
(34:15):
I can remember watching the last Olympics and that boy
or man boxing against that young lady yep, and it
was a mismatch. So we got to get it done.
I've been I've had three bills on the floor. All
three of them have not passed. Now one Democrat ever
votes to keep men out of women's sports.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
It is a disaster.
Speaker 11 (34:34):
Now I've got no men in Olympic sports, and we'll
put that on the floor. But they're gonna fight against it.
I don't understand. I asked them, you know, what do
you believe in and what we believe in the rights
of everybody, How about the rights for young girls and women?
Because we're gonna lose women's sports if we don't watch it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Let me give you a little bit more detail. For
those of you out there who may not know young
woman's name, Stephanie Turner. She said Fox News this morning.
I told them I was refusing to fence because this
person is a man, and I'm a woman, and this
is a women's tournament. The USA Fencing Organization then kicked
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her out of the tournament and has expelled her from.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Being able to compete. But this is a very powerful moment.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
It's on video her saying quite simply, I'm a woman
and it's a women's tournament, and I'm not going to
compete against a man. And the fact that this is
a political issue in any way is crazy. I coach
a little league baseball. Let me tell you, if somebody
had shown up with a sixteen year old and tried
to play in twelve you, every parent in America would
have said no. That's why we have agent limits. This
(35:41):
is also why we have men and women's sports.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Buck Yeah.
Speaker 11 (35:45):
Yeah, And you'd had absolutely parents all over you too.
You'd have had parents.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
All over yes, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
What know, Senator, Senator Zupperville, You know President Trump has
taken a very strong posture on this, and specifically in
the case of Maine. We recall the governor of Maine
got into a little back and forth with him, and
she said, you know, I'll see you in court, which
is generally not something you want to say to Trump
(36:13):
because this guy, this guy lives for the conflict. He
loves to throw down when he thinks he needs to
and when he thinks he's in the right now. It
turns out that it looks like Maine's trying to back
off a little bit, but the federal funding is going
to get cut to Maine if they continue down this pathway.
I mean, do you support taking those kinds of actions
to protect women in sports? What would you like to
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see done?
Speaker 11 (36:36):
Everything that we possibly can do, we have to do it.
It has started not at the just the high school
or college level. It's got to start at in elementary school.
It's got to start at in the in the levels
that we need young girls to be involved and enjoy
participating in sports. To get them involved in it. It's
made great leadership out of a lot of women over
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the years. When I first got into coaching, Title nine
just started and it opened up the avenues for many,
many different sports that girls didn't have. Softball, volleyball, track,
got them involved. It's built leadership around this country, and
I'm telling you what's gonna happen, This transgender nonsense, and
(37:22):
the NIL at the same time is going to put
title nine in women's sports under because NIL is taking
money away. You can't survive without money in athletics. And
now you've got transgender boys that want to participate.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
So it's a double whammy on women.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
And girls' sports, and you know it's it's absolutely shamed.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
We're having to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
We're talking with center Tommy Tuberville. I just mentioned Bruce
Pearley scheduled to join us in a bit. You're an
Auburn guy or eagle for all of our Alabama and
Auburn fans out there. You coached Auburn football, which has
been a long time big winner. You had a lot
of success there. Auburn basketball has not. Bruce pearl has
them two wins away from the national championship. He was
(38:08):
just named AP Coach of the Year. How big of
a deal is that and how hard are you rooting
for Auburn this weekend?
Speaker 11 (38:14):
Very well deserved. I live in Auburn. I play golf
with Bruce all the time. I was at a function
with him. A couple of weeks ago. He has done
an amazing job of that program. I remember I got
there ninety nine were decent in basketball. Couldn't hardly sell
any season tickets. Now you can't get a ticket. I've
got I live in that town and I begged to
get a ticket to get into a game. He has
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done one of the best jobs probably ever done in
college athletics to get something turned around.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
But you got to give kudos to.
Speaker 11 (38:41):
To the entire sec of the athletes now that they
have in basketball, all across other than Kentucky. Used to
be just Kentucky. Now they all can play basketball. And
Alabama almost made the Final four, and.
Speaker 8 (38:56):
It was close.
Speaker 11 (38:57):
I thought they had one of the top four teams,
but they didn't make it. But Auburn's in it. I'll
be voting here tomorrow. Unfortunately I won't get to go.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
To the game.
Speaker 11 (39:05):
But I'm looking forward to the game and tell Bruce
good luck for me. I talked to him yesterday, but
he'd get a little bit tight uptight.
Speaker 8 (39:11):
And but that's Bruce Pearl. I mean he takes it
very very seriously.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Senator Trupperville, you know Clay twice this week had to
go play golf. You know, I had to be here
trying to say the Republic and hold together America to
the best of my ability, while my esteemed co host
was out there on the links as one does. I
don't know if you saw any video of him, but
you have any. You know you are a phenomenal coach.
(39:35):
That is beyond question. Can you give him any coaching
on his swing? Because some people are saying some things
about my friend Clay about his golf swing, and I
feel the need to defend him. What do we have here?
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Well, most things start out with talent, and you got
talent and athletic ability. You know, it's good that you
can just play any sport and whether you're good at
it or not, it takes a lot out of pressure off.
It's you know, it's good for exercise and all that,
but it all starts for that athletic ability. I think
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he's got some, but he needs to work on it.
And again, not elite.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
That's right, coach, you can only it's it ain't the
Jimmy's and the Axes and those all the time. It's
Jimmy's and the Joe's and I don't have it. I
don't have a lot of athletic ability here when it
comes to to golf.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
My swing does not look good. I deserve all the criticism.
Speaker 11 (40:26):
Yeah yeah, well it's uh, you win a lot of
games unless you have players.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
That was not That was not the inspiring locker room
speech from Coach Tubberville. I was expecting he's basically telling
Clay that got to leave it to the pros. Well
raise some great money for charity earlier this week for
till the Towers and Senator Tubberville. Really appreciate you being
with us as always. Thanks for making the time.
Speaker 8 (40:47):
Thanks guys, talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Okay, Look, I mean, you know we're talking about Clay's swing,
but I got swung out yesterday. The pronunciation police, no,
I need to hear them me big time, bigly, bigly
pronunciation police lighting me up over how I pronounce the
word that I'm now I guess supposed to say tournament.
(41:10):
They say it's tournament. I say tournament. Darn it like
TORNI grip, although maybe it's turna grip actually, now that
I think about it, which is what I use on
my tennis racket. But no matter how you pronounce the
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We are joined now.
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Speaking of that podcast network, we have got a great
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You can find all of their podcasts inside of the
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(43:54):
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And Buck, why don't you introduce our guest and explain
why he's the perfect edition to the podcast network.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Well, we wanted somebody who is a true patriot who
is completely supportive of the Trump agenda, but also brings
substantial combat experience, is a leader, a mentor, a motivational speaker,
former Navy seal. Our friend David Rutherford joins us. Now
he's launching the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and
(44:34):
Buck Network. Dave, great to have.
Speaker 8 (44:37):
You, man.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
When is the first episode dropping?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Get him up.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Let me tell you this Buck breaking news that has
just happened in the past few minutes. For those of
you out there that are active on TikTok, maybe you're
learning dances like the dance that Buck learned. The TikTok
sale deadline has been extended for seventy five days, so
the expectation is that an American owned company is going
(45:03):
to have fifty one percent or more of the overall
TikTok universe. And you've been saying this is likely to
happen for some time. I think Clay, we figured out
what our next. You're about to win. This is a
little sad for me. You're about to win a steak.
I tell you this is fun.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
First of all, we had our good Rancher's Feast earlier
in this week and it was absolutely fantastic, fantastic. We
just those steaks and Carrie made homemade ice cream. She
thinks I'm getting too skinny. I think she's feeding me
good rancher steaks and homemade ice cream.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I have to say that ice cream that she made.
The homemade ice cream was maybe the best ice cream
I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean, I agree, it was incredible.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, well, now some of you are like, boock, why'd
you get in all this weight after you get married.
My wife is an amazing cook and specifically can make
the best homemade from scratch ice cream you've ever tasted
in your life. But we had great steaks everything else.
You know, my dad, we're gonna bring this into the
betting conversation here a second. My dad Clay, when we
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were down there, I was like, oh, you know, do
you want to go to a steakhouse? And he just
sort of threw this in there. He's like, He's like, yeah, buco,
we could go to a steakhouse. What about that one
where you took Clay where they had all the sparklers
and the dead That's great. I was like, buddy, that
was great, but that was the most expensive steak in history.
I love you, Dad, but I don't you know that's
a that's a bet losing steak steakhouse kind of thing.
(46:28):
But anyway, he was really funny about that. He's like
that looked like fun. I'm like, yeah, it is fun,
but you know I'm gonna go I'm gonna go bankrupt
taking you guys to steak dinners. So instead of I'm unfortunately,
I think about to lose, although I haven't given up hope,
haven't given up hope. Gonna lose our March Madness bracket contest,
which I thought I would, but I like to just
you know, like to talk a big game before I
(46:49):
get wiped out. Our next bet, Clay, we can do
on a political issue. It was either you or I
have to post a trendy TikTok dance on TikTok that's
actual and this is an elite bet and share the
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(47:11):
the next one. All right, no more stake bets. We're
gonna gates. These are high soas you better be ready
for this one, buddy. If it's like a midterm call
or if it's something big in politics, you're gonna want
to feel solid on this one because Clay doing a
shuffle dance gonna blow, gonna blow the flute AI stuff
out of the water and me doing a shuffle dance.
I do not have the rhythm necessary for it. So
(47:31):
there we go. Did we manage to get Dave on? Yeah,
we've got him. He's ready to roll. Dave Rutherford joins us, Now,
what's up, man? Tell us about tell us about the
new podcast. What you got in store for us?
Speaker 12 (47:42):
Well, I don't want to jump into that yet. I
want to talk about how I get into this whole
thing with my TikTok dance. Man, I know I can.
I can bring it to you guys pretty good.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I think I will tell you this. Rutherford for a
man who has learned substantial skills of firearms. I've been
the range with day countless times. He's a great instructor
for myself, my brothers. We've been out many, many times
a day. He knows explosives, he knows hand to hand.
He's handy with a tennis racket too. So he's a
man of many skills and talent. So if we also
(48:13):
call him Rut for everybody, because his last name is Rutherfurds.
If you hear me call him Rutt, that's his nickname.
But Dave, Yeah, we can get you in on all
these bets, man, because you're in the family. Now you're
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. I think
you're launching Monday, but tell everybody a little bit about yourself,
because we only bring studs and winners into the podcast network,
as evidenced by how the ratings grow month to month.
Speaker 12 (48:37):
Well, I mean, it's such an incredible honor to be
with you guys. I mean, you guys have been the
people that I've been paying attention for as long as
I can remember. The way you guys deliver your information
is just such a privilege and honor, you know, as
a former Navy seal and CII contractor, you know, I
(48:58):
was like, man, I'm pretty fired up, but this is
definitely a little a little little intense getting on with
you guys and represent you guys. But I think you know,
with my background and also you know my background as
a motivational performance coach. You know, I did win a
world series with the Boston Red Sox back in twenty eighteen.
(49:19):
What I'm stoked to be able to do is to
bring all of that experience to your audience and hopefully
develop my own following, but really to dig into all
the different ideas. I mean not just motivation and performance
and tactical or security analysis, but more so just opinion
on the cultural wars that are taking place, the craziness
(49:41):
we're seeing in schools, you know, and then you know
what's going on around the world. Man, I mean, this tariff,
this tariff war has got me kind of fired up
right now. But we're gonna hit everything on the David
Rutherford Show, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
What do you think when you look around now, there
are positives starting to kind of show up everywhere. In particular,
it seems like a lot of younger guys and gals
are willing to serve the country, the Marines, the military.
They're hitting their recruitment goals, which they hadn't been doing
for a long time. What do you attribute that to?
(50:18):
Do you think there's this wellspring of patriotism that hasn't
been tended to that long, but that younger guys and
gals are starting to respond to.
Speaker 12 (50:27):
Clay, that's one hundred percent what it is. I mean,
what numbers you know, prior to Trump getting in office,
We're the lowest numbers we've seen since late nineties and
that's when I first joined. I mean, it was pathetic
back in those days. I mean, we didn't even have
enough money at Seal Team wanted to do full training profiles.
And then obviously the g WoT exploded and everybody wanted
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to serve. Patriotism was everything. Flags were everywhere for the
first part of that war, and then as people grew
tired of it, and then what really I think was
the most detrimental thing out of all was just how
Iraq wound down. How you know, obviously the Afghanistan pull
out was an atrocious abomination in every way shape for
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in my opinion, it was worse than Saigon. But you know,
I think it's more than that. It was the Dei stuff.
It was, you know, a lack of meritocracy in there.
But now Man Pete's back in office, You've got Bongino
as deputy director of the FBI, You've got a resurgence
in American patriots is an American pride, and I think
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young men out there are ready to put their courage
on the line for what American really stands for. And
so I think that's a direct correlation for sure.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Talking to our friend David Rutherford, David Rutherford Show launches
in the Clay and Buck podcast network coming up on
this Monday, so make sure you go to the iHeart
app where we get your podcasts and subscribe. You know, Dave,
I think also one thing that you bring to the
table that is going to be really interesting as perspective,
and I know, going to be covering big news of
the day of course, and getting into as you said,
culture war stuff and where things stand based on the
(52:07):
news cycle. But you're both a seasoned, a grizzled warrior
and a girl dad and an era of questions about
what American masculinity means. I mean, I think to be
a sealed, to have been to combat, and now to
be raising four girls, And you know, these are voices
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that we just need to have more out there, because
there are some folks who are running into this space
and building substantial followings who maybe diagnose the problems of
masculinity the right way sometimes, but definitely don't have the solutions.
I think you can bring the solutions, or you can
bring the advice that young men and guys your own
age need to hear.
Speaker 8 (52:49):
Well.
Speaker 12 (52:50):
I appreciate you saying that, Buck, I mean, the most
thing that I care most about in this light, in
this world are my four daughters and my wife, right,
And that's my faith and wants me to believe that.
But what I also do, and I have been doing
for the past, you know, twenty plus years, is I've
been mentoring young men. I've got one young man I've
been meant to touring since he was twelve years old.
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He's thirty three. He's currently at Seal Team six.
Speaker 10 (53:14):
Right.
Speaker 12 (53:14):
I've got another young man I started mentoring when he
was sixteen. He went on to the Virginia Military Institute
and then just left being a Green Beret after eight years.
And so I do have a track record of not
only you know, mentoring athletes, but also young men in
terms of pursuing their height and ambition. You know, the
biggest things that I want my daughters to be aware
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of is strong, confident, courageous, and noble young men. And
so how do you teach that? How do you teach courageousness?
How do you teach nobility? And I think where it
really is is going back to those those core stories
of great men that built this country. And so what
I'm really going to focus on doing is bringing those
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stories back, bringing that culture back to the forefront. Of
the consciousness of young men in this in this country,
and hopefully, you know, if they're out searching for for
the right role models or mentors. I'm sure I'm telling
you what I'm I'm I'm really hoping that I can
provide that that voice and that conduit so that they
have something that they can model themselves.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
After no doubt, I cannot wait for this podcast to
get underway.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
We're excited about it. I just one thing I want
to throw in Clay. First of all, everyone, Dave Brutherford Show,
first episode Monday, go check it out. It drops. It's
gonna be a fantastic show. Dave is a dear friend.
He's a great patriot. He's the kind of guy you
want to hang out with. He's the kind of guy
you want to go shooting with. I've gone many times
with Dave Clay to that end. We're gonna now for
sure get you out range day. We're gonna get Clay.
(54:44):
I mean, Clay's gonna be out there shirtless with the sixty.
I'm telling you what.
Speaker 12 (54:47):
We're gonna make this happen well, claim Clay's natural athlete.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Man.
Speaker 12 (54:52):
I watched the video of him playing golf with the
president last week man, and I was like, Okay, that dude.
We can get him on the on the range. We
can get him doing some my ads. You know, certainly,
I hope he doesn't show up wearing shorts like you do, Buck,
but I know he'll be squared away.
Speaker 8 (55:08):
Yeah. You know.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
It's funny real quick. For those of you who know
Tonto from Thirteen Hours, I show up at shorts one
day to range day, Clay and I go and Rut's like,
you're wearing shorts. I'm like, Tonto wear shorts and Ruts like, yeah,
but he's Chris Paranto.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh that's awesome. Fair, that's awesome. I can't wait to
check out the podcast. We appreciate you coming on and
being a part of the network and look forward to
getting out and you trying to make me look like
I can actually hit something.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
You got it.
Speaker 12 (55:33):
Thank you Jamen so much. Is such an honor to
be a part of the Claim Buck podcast Networks. Thank
you for the opportunity. I promise I won't let you
guys down. I'll grind harder than I did when I
was in the teams for you.
Speaker 8 (55:45):
Love it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
That is awesome. I know it'll be fantastic. You guys,
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