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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome Back in Clay Travis Fuck Sexton Show. One of
my favorite lines Buck from the Office. Michael Scott says, well,
how the turn tables have turned? And I am quoting
that roughly, but he's trying to say the tables have turned,
and boy, oh boy, has that happened in a big
(00:22):
way in the state of New York. I'm going to
dive in here because it is positively delectable. We've also
got Maine being sued by the Department of Justice Attorney
General Pam Bondi our friend Riley Gaines in a press
conference this morning. I can't believe this is real, but
they're having to sue because Maine is refusing to implement
(00:43):
Trump administration rules which would not allow men to which
would not permit men to win women's championships. Basically, men
can't compete in women's sports. One bit of news there.
Maybe we'll dive into this a bit later. The Supreme
Court of England had ruled that trans women that as
men pretending to be women, are not actual women.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And JK.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Rowling, who has been incredible on this issue, I never
would have thought that the Harry Potter author would end
up being an complete warrior on this issue. Many people
in England are exalting over the fact that their Supreme
Court has finally weighed in. We will talk about that
and more, but I wanted to start with this for you,
(01:27):
Buck because this news hit last night, I believe, and
I actually think it's incredible, and the news is and
we're gonna play you a cut from Harris Faulkner's show
to kind of explain this in detail, but essentially, Letitia
James has been caught on multiple forms where she applied
(01:49):
for mortgages committing fraud in order to get a better
mortgage rate. Now the irony here, of course, is she
accused Trump of lying and inflating his assets to get
a lower rate on his commercial business loans, his real
estate transactions. So that is more complicated because there was,
(02:11):
and this was Trump's major defense, a huge investment bank
investigating in a substantial way Trump's assets. As happens for
anyone out there that has ever taken out a loan
of the magnitude that Trump is taking. Whereas Letitia James
and her lies on the forms are very concrete were
(02:33):
committed by her. There isn't some big investment bank overarching
relationship here as would happen in a major business transaction
as applied for Trump, so basically what she is accused
of doing buck, among other things. There are at least
three different mortgage fraud lies that she appears to have committed.
(02:55):
The most prominent and the easiest to apply is she
the Attorney General of New York. She lives in the
state of New York and is required to live there.
On a mortgage claim or mortgage request application that she
made in the state of Virginia in the Norfolk, Virginia area,
(03:17):
she checked on that form that she was in fact
a resident of Virginia, that her primary residence was this Norfolk,
Virginia home. That is an open and shut case. And
for those of you who have ever applied for a mortgage,
your primary residence rate is substantially lower because the risk
(03:40):
profile of it is quite different. You are living there
in theory yourself. This is an open and shut case.
She's caught in that claim, and I'll talk about a
couple of the other ones, but this one is easy.
I think everybody would understand it. She said she was
living in Virginia to get a better mortgage rate. She
cannot live in Virginia as a as a requirement for
(04:03):
being the Attorney General of New York, as one might imagine,
she is required to live in New York State. This
is an open and chuck case. She lied on a
mortgage form. I'll get to the two others, but this
kind of brings home for a lot of people out there.
They accuse you of what they have actually done. I
think she's in serious trouble here and this is going
(04:24):
to lead to prosecution.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well as Clay and I both know. I thought you were.
It's funny. I would have thought you might have jumped
right into this. This is a big subplot from the
show of The Wire, which I will say is one of,
in my opinion, the best TV shows of all time. Yes,
if you haven't seen it, everyone I know in law
enforcement says, for the time that's twenty years old, but
(04:49):
for the period, they have the right lingo the the
you know, they have the right understanding of the bureaucracy.
It feels almost like a scripted documentary. I think you
could say anyway, The Wire's a fantastic show. I think
it holds up. But there is in the Wire a politician.
He is a charismatic black man by the name of
(05:11):
Clay Davis, and he gets caught up with the drug
gangs down there. There's a whole I can't get you know,
that's five seasons of a show. But what do they
finally get them on? Kind of the capone tax evasion thing.
They find out that it's very similar to this. They've
got him on mortgage fraud. Now in the show. By
the way, i'll just say i'm quoting the show, they
(05:34):
call this the headshot because mortgage fraud is easy to prove, yeah,
very hard to defend, and the penalties are actually quite severe.
The average mortgage fraud offender who has convicted Clay goes,
goes to prison. It is a car siral sentence, usually
(05:55):
for a couple of years. Now you can get up
to thirty years. That would obviously be if you did
this on a systematic, I think grander scale. But and
there's state law, there's federal law, a lot of things
coming to play here. But Clay, here's another thing that
I think we should take it because you you identified
the most amazing part of this right away, which is
that she went after Trump for a civil asset inflation crime.
(06:20):
Essentially or civil asset inflation fraud. And she was completely wrong.
If somebody who anyone who says mar A Lago was
worth twenty million.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dollars eighteen million is I mean it might, it might
be a billion dollar profits.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't think Trump would entertain and offer less than
a billion dollars at this point, because when you add
the historic value plus the surge in real estate prices
in Palm Beach, you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Know there are houses selling rushes. Former house sold for
over one hundred million dollars in one hundred and sixty Clay,
I think it is one hundred and fifty five. It
is much smaller the scope of his property than mar
A Lago. So she was completely wrong on the facts.
She ran for Attorney General promising to prosecute a private citizen,
(07:08):
Donald Trump, which is disgraceful and as we see in
the with the case of Clay Davis, the talk about
from the show, now she looks like she's got a
situation on her hands, Clay when they went after so
this is this story is amazing. I saw your tweet
at last night. I mean I saw this and I
(07:28):
just my jaw dropped because I cannot imagine. Let me
just say this book, I can't imagine prosecuting a case
against Trump if you knew that you had this in
your background. I mean, it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
This this fits into what we always say, what you
always say, I've been saying it too for years.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They accuse you of.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
The things that they themselves do, which I will tell
you I am just about through with a fabulous biography.
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And you know what, one of the favorite things things
that the communists do is when they're trying to rise
to power acute whatever mistakes they make, it's someone they
accuse somebody else of doing the thing, whatever treachery they're
(08:08):
involved in, they accuse somebody else of doing that tread.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean, it's it's the classic.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Evil doer move is, oh, I didn't poison my rival,
you poisoned my This is what they do all the time,
and so they accused people of doing what they themselves do.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But Clay, here's the I think the bigger issue for
this is, like I said, easy to prove this is
not going to be a he said, she why I
started with the first one, she lives in New York
and she say in her primary residence is in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Her only defense for this, if this is going to
be it was a claric. Now, I, by the way,
you and I both had done real estate investing, and
you know we've bought properties, and everybody knows if it
is an investment property, you have to disclose that to
the bank. Right, Clay can't pretend that he lives in
a house in Memphis when he actually lives in Nashville.
(09:01):
Me I can't say I live in Tampa when I
actually live in Miami. Right, this is very straightforward. Everybody
knows this. She is the state attorney general. Of course
she would know. But now, Clay, here's where we really
get into it. I want to know how many people
in New York State under her tenure have served prison
sentences for similar time, because I promise you there have
(09:24):
been people who have gone away for mortgage fraud. I
was working a terrorism case many years ago where the
investigators realized we couldn't get the guy on terrorism, but
somebody involved was involved in a mortgage fraud, and there
was this whole dispute as to whether we should use
counter terrorism resources very high end, nail the guy on
the mortgage fraud even though we couldn't get him on
(09:44):
the terrorism charge. You know, it gets into this capone thing. Anyway,
won't get too deep into that. But Clay, if she
sent anyone away or anyone was sent away under her
tenure or before her tenure, for mortgage fraud in the
state of New York, and she is guilty of this crime,
she has to go to a l.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I agree, And there are several other things.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're going to play this audio for you in a moment,
because I think this is a huge story. Remember she
said repeatedly, no one is above the law. She also
refused to allow Trump to argue. And by the way,
this is one billion percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Trump had a huge team of.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
People working on his investment papers with the major investment bank.
Trump is not sitting there with a pencil going through
like writing all the information in. He has an entire
organization of people. This is important, Buck, because she's gonna say,
I bet I didn't do this. Somebody else filled this
out for me. They just checked the wrong box. That's
(10:41):
specifically the defense she said was unacceptable for Trump in any.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They have her on the act. It's just a question
of the intent. They're going to have to argue intent
on this, and with this kind of stuff that can
be very especially when you're the state attorney general. You
don't know what a mortgage paperwork looks like. Okay, here's
the other part of this. And he doesn't run a
major business organization. I wouldn't imagine she's applying for that
(11:05):
many mortgages. She's like, in this respect, a normal person.
Here's the other thing, buck, in order to get another
property in Brooklyn. She said that she and her dad
were married, because married couples often get lower rates of
mortgages than singles do same last name. I presume this
(11:28):
is also gonna get hard to explain this is a
different property in Brooklyn. Can I just point this out, Clay.
They're going to try so hard to say that this
is vindictive, that this is political payback, that this is
all of these things, with these crimes. It's like possession
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crime if they find for.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
The gun thing when he has on drugs exactly, or.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
This is not a oh but are you within the
scope of your office? And the no, no, no, no, no,
there's no argument here. You either did the thing that
is a violation of a law or you didn't, and
they would not be talking about this Clay. If this
is paperwork, they either have her or they don't. Right,
she's in a world of trouble. Yeah, well, we'll talk
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Speaker 3 (14:24):
Big bombshell news story first Hour was over Letitia James,
the Attorney General of New York State, who went after
Trump so aggressively on inflating his assets, and the whole
case was a sham. She really tried to bankrupt Trump
or at least cash starve him during the election, so
she was trying to subvert the election process as well
(14:47):
with that prosecution. And as Clay and I have discussed,
it was sorry if I found out of breath. I
just ran down to check on the baby for a
second and had to take a flight of.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Stairs in one leap here.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
But the the Letitia James prosecution of Trump on the
civil case was clearly a political hit. And now we
find out that there are allegations that are looking pretty
solid that she herself is a mortgage fraudster. And I
would just point out that our team, I asked them,
and of course our team is the best in the business.
(15:21):
They got a whole bunch of these right away. Clay
press release after press release, New York the Feds sixty
six months for mortgage fraud thirty months for mortgage fraud.
You know, ring leader sentenced in seven million dollar mortgage fraud, conspiracy,
seven million dollar mortgage fraud. You're talking about houses. That's
(15:44):
not that. That's not that big of a you know,
that's not that many houses, especially if you're talking about
New York, it's maybe a couple of houses. So I'm
sure it was more than that. But you get what
I'm saying. So people go to prison for this, they
really do. And people like letician I bet Letitia James
presided over people going to prison for this, So I
take a guarantee she has threatened tons of people over
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this exact thing that she did. So I have I
have no sympathy or sentencing mercy in my mind at
all for somebody who sends other people to prison for
conduct that they themselves do. They're there, you have. This
is to me, it's like you have to take the
hardest line on that if you're going to be somebody
(16:27):
that's you wielding that power when you yourself are engaged
in the because it undermines so much faith that anybody
could have in the system. I mean, yes, prosecutors, could
you imagine, I mean, what if a prosecutor says, sorry,
you're going to prison for twenty years for fentanyl. But
I'm gonna take some of that fentanyl we seized and
sell it myself on the street because you can make
(16:47):
great money on that. Shouldn't that person go away for
a long time of course? Right, so we all understand
the concept. Clay, Now I need you to dive into
this other legal issue here, all right, Lawyer Clay, put
the hat on.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Federal Judge James Boseburg finds probable cause to hold Trump
in contempt over deportation flights. There's there's so much here
to dive. And first of all, the left has decided
that this guy who got sent to U El South Salvador. Yeah,
this guy got sent to El Salvador. This is like
(17:21):
their new this is their new cause, right that this
individual and Clay, just to put this in context, everybody agrees,
I meaning the facts are he's illegal and subject to deportation. Yes,
But what they're saying is this time, the way he
was deported skipped a step, So they are demanding that
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Trump bring him back to put him through that step
before he's deported. Even though everyone agrees he's deportable. There
is no argument about whether he will end up being deported.
This judge Boseburg guy is a lunatic. What what's he's
gonna hold Trump and contempt what he thinks is going
to lock up the sitting president.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
What is this lunatic doing?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So this is going to get complicated legally. Let me
also add in about this individual from Maryland who was
sent to El Salvador. This morning, I saw Bill Malugin
sharing a story that this individual in twenty twenty one
had a protective order brought against him by the mother
(18:27):
of his children. So she is now saying he's the
greatest father who's ever lived. Oh my goodness, what's going
on here? But in twenty twenty one she went to
the courts because she said that he was being abusive.
So I just bring that up for you have a
sitting senator who has basically ignored any crimes that have
(18:49):
been committed by illegals in the United States, meaning he
hasn't ever met with Lake and Riley's family or I
think the more in family, this mom of five who
killed by an illegal in Maryland. In fact, he's refused
to meet with them, but he's gonna get on a
plane and fly to El Salvador for an accused wife
beater gang leader who's allegedly who is in the country
(19:12):
we know illegally, and that's who he's gonna make the
guy to fight for.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Very strange.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Okay, Now let's go to and I think it's going
to blow up in their face in a negative way.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But this is the new new crisis. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
We had egg prices, we had the stock market, we
had the signal group chat. You can kind of just
run through all the things that they've tried to latch
onto to argue this is some sort of existential crisis
for the country, and they've all kind of faded. Okay,
so this case in particular, Yeah, I don't even know
how you would hold the sitting president and his administration
(19:48):
in contempt. First of all, Usually when you are held
in contempt, there is and other lawyers out there can
weigh in. Maybe some of you have been held in
contempt of court before, I I have not. Usually there
is either a penalty where you can be occasionally put
in jail. Right like, you are so contemptuous, the judge decides, hey,
(20:09):
I've got to haul you out of the courtroom, you've
got to be held in a prison cell for some
period of time, or there's some sort of financial penalty,
or there's some sort of threat about your law license
and what might impact there. I don't understand how any
of that can apply when the President of the United
States and his administration are arguing that they have the
(20:31):
legal authority to do this. So this is a dispute
over authority. Does a federal district court judge have the
authority to force the president and his administration to do
anything in this particular situation, there will be an appeal.
(20:53):
The appeal will then go to the DC Circuit, right,
a larger court here, they will probably go Bosburg because
of the makeup of the DC Circuit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Usually you get a small part.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Of the DC Circuit and then if you wanted to,
you could appeal to the full DC Circuit. Usually they
skip that. Yes, Usually they skip that there's a three
seat judge review appellet. Usually they skip the en banca
to his bucka is lawyerly using that phrase, and they
go and go ahead and appeal to the Supreme Court.
(21:25):
And remember the Supreme Court has said nine to zero
basically nothing right. I mean they're trying to avoid having
to issue a ruling on this because ultimately this is
about presidential powers, and I just I knew it was coming.
I thought they would have a better face of the
(21:46):
Trump deportation battles than an alleged gangbanger who had a
protective order taken out against him that everybody acknowledges is
illegally in the country. I don't find this guy to
be a particularly persuasive front facing exam of Trump overreach personally,
but that's where we.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Are, and the Democrats are just once again lining up, regardless.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of the of the procedural back.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And forth over this, you know, the sort of legal
machinations going on here, they're lining up behind someone for
whom it is very difficult to garner public sympathy. And
so there's a there's a political component to all of this,
Clay right, there's a political component where I think that
(22:34):
they still don't get how angry everybody is about the
vindictive and wide open border that Biden had for us,
and they can't make us care about some deported MS
thirteen gang banger. They just they can't. They really are
trying hard to make this about oh my gosh, you know,
we have lost we have lost the republic if this
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guy isn't returned so that he can be expelled again.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But that's the part of this that it's like they
want to do over.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know, if you were at imagine like you're at
a like a venue, a stadium, and you go and
you walk through a restricted area to get to your seat,
and they come up to you and they go, no, no,
We're going to make you get back up and walk
through the non restricted area to get to your seat.
You're like, well, but I mean, this is my seat
and I'm here, so what are we doing. That's kind
of the legal equivalent of what they're demanding here. There's
(23:24):
not going to be a different result, but they want
to create an additional procedural hurdle, which brings me to
another part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
On the one hand, like.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I said, we saw the border betrayal, we saw the violations,
the serial violations of our sovereignty by these democrats and
by this system, And what we've learned is that they
just don't want to deport anybody, and that these judges
who are weighing in on this stuff, they actually don't
(23:51):
want If you can't be okay with this MS thirteen
guy being deported or the trend that Aragua guy's being deported.
You don't want anybody deported, which means any evildoer from
anywhere in the world who happens to sneak into America
has to be our problem forever. And you know what,
a solid majority of the American people, the American people
(24:15):
who are capable of looking at reality, applying common sense
and seeing things for what they are, which I think
is really like sixty five seventy percent of us, I
really do. I think that's what this. You know, the
other thirty percent or so, I'm sorry, they're nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What can you do?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But you know, the CNN has seeped too far into
their brains. But Clay, they just want these people gone.
They just want these non Americans gone. And you know,
that's it at the end of the day. They're not
going to be made to weep over whether the guy
you know who was joining up with MS thirteen, who
wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got
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every box check before he got sent packing.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
The report.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let me get this, because I do think it's significant,
is from Andy No and he has posted the actual
court documents according to him, and I'll share this tweet.
On May fifth, twenty twenty one, the either girlfriend or
wife that is now claiming that he's being treated unfairly
filed a domestic violence complaint against him, seeking protections from
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Maryland because theoretically her husband or boyfriend was behaving in
a way that threatened her. And so she now says
he was a phenomenal husband. I would just submit to you,
sometimes there are disputes. Most phenomenal husbands don't have court
cases alleging domestic violence filed against them by their wives
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or their girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So this is the guy that the sitting one of
the sitting senators from Maryland felt compelled to get on
a flight to El Salvador to in some way try
to defend. And again, this is a guy who has
been adjudicated to be a member of a gang, to
have been here illegally, and to have had a domestic
(26:08):
violence complaint now brought against him. I'm sharing, retweeting that
story right now. And you would think, if we had
an honest media that they might actually ask that Maryland senator, Hey,
you know, the guy has a domestic violence case brought
against him in addition to being a gang member and
(26:30):
also being here illegally.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
This is who you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Want to make the front facing, you know, opposition resistance
to the Trump deportation orders. I think they could have
picked a better guy personally. I think this is going
to blow up in their face.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, this is where you're talk in politics about the optics.
And they mobilize far more for an illegal gang member
than the Democrats have ever mobilized for anyone. Murder buying
illegal gang member, raped buying a legal gang member. I mean,
you know, you go down this list what upsets Democrats more?
(27:07):
Just ask yourself this question the Lake and Riley horrific
crime committed or this no frame know that New York Times?
What is the New York Times more concerned with Lake
and Riley or this guy? And I think and you
could just do it straightforward study of it. Look at
where we're look at where there's more front page coverage,
(27:28):
look at where there's more focus from Democrats. You all
know the answer to this. And I'm sorry, but we
don't have to pretend that we don't recognize this for
what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
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to be even more productive. Leticia James, We believe that
she is in significant legal peril over alleged more mortgage fraud.
It appears that she has lied about where her primary
residence is, flied about being married to her father, of
all things, lied about the size of a Brooklyn location
property that she bought. We think there's going to be
(30:06):
a lot to come out of this, and certainly it
is the height of irony because she tried to bankrupt
President Trump over allegations that he misrepresented the value of
his property holdings, among other things. We have got strong
evidence out there that Trump voters still strongly support Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We had some fun with.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
That, and there are a variety of other stories that
are percolating that we have discussed, including what exactly is
going to happen with the Maryland gang member, alleged domestic abuser,
illegal immigrant who has been removed from the country, and
where we are headed for that from a legal perspective.
But there are two other stories that are out there
(30:47):
that I think are significant. First, Buck, we talked about this,
you were out on Monday. I said, look, whoever was
responsible for trying to burn down the Pennsylvania Governor's residence
is a really bad guy. Regardless of what his political
motivations were, there should be incredible, significant punishment levied against
(31:12):
this guy. Doesn't matter whether the governor's a Democrat or Republican,
this shouldn't happen or an independent. And now there is
evidence that has come out, according to Pennsylvania news reports,
that the reason the arsonists acted was because Shapiro, the Governor,
(31:32):
was too strong of a supporter of Israel and he
thought that Palestinians and those in Gaza were being treated unfairly.
This actually logically adds up in some way, because I believe, Buck,
you're better at the Jewish Holy Days than I am.
This happened basically right after the Passover celebration, the dinner
(31:54):
that they were having inside of the governor's residence, So
the idea that this was just purely by chance timing
did not add up. I expected that their way may
well have been some connection to the Jewish faith of
the governor here. And so this arsonist told authorities, according
to reports coming out of Pennsylvania this morning, that his
(32:17):
motivation was basically trying to kill the governor, who is Jewish.
And his family because he believed that they had not
been protective enough of Palestinian rights. As it pertains to
the response of October seventh, toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
This is awful. Yes, well, it's it's anti Semitic.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's awful. It's it's attempted murder. It's it's horrible on
a human level, because he's a he's a man, he's
a husband, he's he's got a wife and kids in
the house. I'm trying to burn anybody down in their home,
is I mean, this should be taken with the utmost seriousness,
and the penalty for the lawful penalty for this should
(32:54):
be severe, and I think it will be as it
should be. Uh. And I would just add that the
Palestinian issue, as you see, has become this is now
grown in the if you will, the uh sort of
the menu of left wing lunacy items. This is very
(33:16):
high on the list. This is we We've gone through
different things, right. We know, there's been the transagenda stuff,
which we'll have more on that. Actually what's going on
with Maine, yeah, and the Trump administration there. But you
know there's the transagenda stuff. There's Ukraine, which some people
on the left, oddly have decided is the most important
thing in the world. People can't find Ukraine on a map,
(33:38):
care more about the final borders of Ukraine than anything else,
and are willing to risk escalation with the nuclear power
over it anyway. But the Palestinian issue has become I
think for people Clay who are who have a virtue
signaling derangement. I mean, I'm really trying to get into
(33:58):
the psychology of this. But for people who are absolutely
desperate to latch onto something because they tend to be
very unhappy with their lives, they tend to have you know,
they tend to have a lot of unresolved psychological issues. Oh,
but I stand with the super oppressed Palestinians. Are the
Palestinians more oppressed than than people right now who are
(34:22):
being massacred in South Sudan. No that they are. They
are in fact not. Uh, but people would argue, of
course that they're the most depressed people in the history
of the world. Because this has been this is now
an issue, right, This is something that you get to
sign on to that if you are of this mindset,
it makes you a It's like a religious belief right.
(34:44):
If you sign onto this. It wipes away all of
your shortcomings and you get to think of yourself as
a good person who stands on the right side of
an issue, and that when you're talking about left wing people,
can cause them to do incredibly during things and move
on incredibly to violent things. I mean, this is the basis.
(35:04):
You know, extreme belief is the basis of most terrorism,
and that's what this is.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I would tie it in.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Imagine Buck, this is a far left wing activist trying
to burn down a Democrat senator, I mean Democrat governor's
home and kill everyone inside because they are not far
left wing enough with their politics as it pertains to
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Think about this, Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We had a would be assassin show up at Brett
Kavanaugh's house. We had two would be assassin's attempt to
kill the President of the United States, one of whom
came within a quarter inch of Butler, Pennsylvania from succeeding
the other of whom, as I told you, and I'm
still stunned by almost happened at Trump's West Palm Beach course.
(35:49):
And if you walk the sixth hole there, the fact
that that guy was allowed to be there with a
gun all day long is criminal negligence in my opinion.
And now you add in Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. These
are four different clear assassination attempts that have been brought
to air, both against Republicans and Democrats by far left
(36:10):
wing ideologues. If Trump's supporters had tried to kill four
different people in the similar manner, it's all that would
be talked about right wing extremism. Who's to blame for
all of this occurring? As is a lot of these stories,
just vanish.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Did you mention in that list the twenty eighteen baseball shooting?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I did not, which god has Bernie Sanders supporter asked
whether or not it was Democrats or Republicans on the field?
Open fire and Steve Scalice is lucky to be alive.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, he was hit.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, of course, Rand Paul was there. Rand Paul was
almost killed by two different lunatic Democrats in about a
twelve or eighteen month period, I forget the dates, but
almost killed twice by Democrats. This is where we have
to get into this. You know, there was this whole
face effort on the under the Biden administration, and it
(37:03):
was an extension of the Obama administration, which we all
remember and recognize to say that, you know, right wing
extremism is the biggest threat facing America. And you know,
white nationalists or hiding behind every corner. And as I said,
I've never met a white nationalist in my life. I
have actually met gee hottists. I've never met a white nationalist.
Uh So they were pushing this narrative. You look at
(37:26):
where the political violence has really occurred. You look, look,
Republicans have gotten shot. Republicans have gotten shot.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't want.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Anyone to get shot, to be clear, but it is
lunatics on the left. When you're talking about political stuff,
you know, you have you know, and then you could
get into though. They would probably say, well, look, Gabby
Gifford's was shot.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Gabby Giffords was shot.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
By a maniac.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And they immediately tried to blame it on Republicans as
you know, Yes, they try to blame it on Sarah Palin.
In the case of Ran Paul being shot at with
a number of other members of Congress on that baseball
field in Alexandria, Virginia, the guy had a rifle and
shot stieves.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Galie Lucky to be alive.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
They never take any tone responsibility.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
For any of this.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Clay two, and you saw, I mean you essentially scouted
after the fact the attempted assassination grounds of Trump at
that base, at that criminal negligence.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's criminal negligence that guy was allowed to sit in
that in those bushes all day and that Trump would
come within a hole. Remember he was there like eight hours.
I mean, it's indefensible.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I just you know, you start to wonder. It's like
I know this, I know the nature and character of
the people that listen to this show, and I know
that all of us would sit around and say, you know,
if somebody was taking a lethal action against the Democrat politician,
like kind of like their house on fire or going
after with a firearm, and we had an opportunity to
intervene and use lethal force to protect that Democrat, we
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would do it a hundred times out of one hundred,
because it's the right thing to do. You do get
this sense that there are unfortunately a lot of people
on the left, because they say it out loud, Clay,
they say they write it online that they will say
things like I hope he the next one won't miss
(39:20):
I hope the next time they're successful. And I'm telling you,
I really don't. I would be honest about this. I mean,
I would call it out if I saw it. Nobody
on the right is saying anything like, oh, Joshapiro, you know,
the next arsonist. You know, no one says anything like that.
But they say that about Trump, and they said it
(39:42):
about Steve Scalise, and they said it about Rand Paul,
and they've said it about Kavanaugh. And you know, my
point here is that the virulent political radicalism in this
country is not entirely on the left, but it is
overwhelmingly on the left.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's one hundred percent right. And I just want all
of you to think about again. This story is going
to vanish, and the idea what I said on Monday,
Buck was the idea that there was a guy able
to get into the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion and start the
fire that he did is such a failure of the
Pennsylvania Governor's protective detail that it reminds me of what
(40:25):
happened at Butler, and it reminds me of what happened
at West Palm Beach. And it should not be overlooked
because only by the grace of God, is he still
alive because you look at those images of how bad
the burn the burned out home was very easily Josh
Shapiro and his entire family could have burned to death
in that home. And that's a failure of security. Much
like to your point, you've said it for a long time,
(40:46):
the fact that that maniac in Butler, Pennsylvania was able
to get his shots off. We were so thankful and
fortunate that they that he did not get his target.
But the fact that it even occurred is such a
failure that there's should be severe consequences.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
The only reason has been the only reason true Trump
is alive not because of the Secret Service. We all
know this Trump is alive because of chance in the
hand of God, either or you get to pick. I
would say the hand of God. Some people just say
he's lucky. Doesn't it's not the Secret Service. They failed, Yes,
they If somebody can get a shot on the target
(41:23):
and hit the target, secret Service has abjectly failed. They
just got they were fortunate about the oppose it was
not and.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
They was Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
If you don't die because somebody tried to burn your
house down with you inside it. It's only by the
grace of God or your good fortune. Again your point,
either one of those. The security detail failed.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, I'm I'm sitting here and I'm wondering how the
heck this could have happened, by the way, Yeah, I mean,
I'm I'm the Governor's mansion. I'm gonna tell you, you know,
we have a lot, We have a lot of Pennsylvania listeners.
I used to go to camp in Pennsylvania. It's a
great state. People of Pennsylvania's look, it's a fantastic places,
so much great stuff, there so many great people there.
And I want the governor of Pennsylvania to be safe
(42:08):
in his home with his family. I don't care what
their political party is. Yes, right, And this is where
you know the country that we are as a country
that says no one gets burned down in their home,
regardless of their politics or their ideology.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And we need to send.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
A very their religion, which seems to have been the
target here too.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Political religious targeting, is really what it is. Yeah, I mean,
this is this is an this is an anti Jewish thing,
and unfortunately the history of that in our country and
stretching back for a very long time. Is U is
a tragic and far too common one. But the point
is we hope Joshapiro's family are okay, and uh, there
(42:49):
needs to be a reckoning among these because there are
just too many looney tunes running around. Look what they
did on the campus is they're threatening kids?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yes, well, what they've done right, There are too many.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I didn't even think about the test of the dealerships
to have too many lunatics on their side. Okay, they
got to rain in the looney tunes before somebody gets
hurt again. Wouldn't be the first time. So I think
this stuff is becoming all too clear, no doubt.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton, appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. All right, one bit of
a housekeeping here. We have invited New York Attorney General
Letitia James, the Governor of New York, Kathy Hokel And interestingly,
remember who forced Andrew Cuomo out of the Governor's mansion,
Leticia James with her somewhat bogus sexual harassment investigation. Now
(45:22):
Andrew Cuomo is favored to be the next mayor of
New York City. We have invited Andrew Cuomo on to
talk about this as well. Maybe they will all say no,
but to be fair, based on our conversation in hour
one open for him for them if they would like
to come on and discuss. Now, let's have a little
bit of fun. Bunk has gotten fired up about this
(45:43):
because he can't believe that it's real. Some of you
may have seen this. I believe it was Monday night.
The Atlanta Braves are playing the Toronto Blue Jays, and
the Braves broadcast has a basically sideline reporter who is
a young, you know, good looking guy who is working
the sideline and he is interviewing two different girls, cute
(46:08):
blonde girls in the crowd who appear to be Braves fans.
I believe here is what it sounded like. This is
cut twenty four. The video is out. We'll post it
at clayanbuck dot com. If you have not seen this,
this has gone megaviral. But here is what it sounded
like if you were watching this baseball game Monday night.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
We have a lot of fun out here off the
coroner rooftop. Who do we got you? What's your name?
My name's Lauren Laurence. All right, and I'm Kayla Kayla,
and you guys hang out the rooftop lounge often once
a year I come out to visit. Okay, we timed
it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right? Good?
Speaker 5 (46:39):
How are you guys feeling my roof for the Braves today?
I don't know. I'm hoping for the best. What about you?
Are you Braves fan?
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Now? Not?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Quiet? Quiet?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
All right, I'm gonna go to work up here, guys,
Good luck the rest of the way. Okay, Wiley, we
got five innings, four innings to get the numbers.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Come on, come on, get us some more Braves fans.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
All right, So they want me to get your number.
I'm dead serious, they say to my right, I shouldn't
believe me because she thinks you guys are are not
making this up. Even if you guys weren't to, I
might use that in the future. That's a pretty good move.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Okay. So it continues.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
You can hear the girl in the background saying they
want you to get my number, and he ends up
getting one of these girl's phone numbers. It goes viral
and Buck, you have seen the reaction and you've been
texting me. I sent it to you because I was like,
I think you'll enjoy this. Many members of the sports
media have lost their mind. They are saying this is misogynistic.
(47:37):
They are saying this is completely unprofessional. You've seen the reactions.
Can you believe the reactions to that lighthearted clip that
we just played for you.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Claig knows he can do this because he tells me.
But I don't. As you all know, I don't pay
any attention to the sports media commentary world really, so
I just this is like it's as no Clays telling
me about the latest Broadway theater critics or something. I
just don't follow them, so I don't know. And he goes, oh, no,
you don't understand how woke they are. And he sends
me this stuff and it's like throwing steak in the
(48:08):
lion den. I completely freak out because all I can
think about is the sports media does this, Of all
the media to do this, the people that are talking
about guys you know, swinging bats and uh and throwing
balls and doing all this stuff and making all this money.
And you know, some of them have cheerleaders on the
sidelines or you know, dancers at halftime.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
They're free. It's in my mind.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Even though he tells me, my mind continues to be
blown because it's I don't even know as possible, Clay,
what a kill joy? I mean, who could?
Speaker 1 (48:43):
If you can't you, I will read you a couple Yes,
people know, because some of you don't know. This is
a woman named Danny Sirek. She is on the sideline
some way or doing something. So are we still going
to ask women in sports if they're only doing their
job to date athletes? We can all agree how inappropriate
(49:04):
and nasty. This is not to mention the double standard, right,
these are not athletes, These are girls in the stands, right,
But this is a sportsman here's a man. This is
a man who writes Ostensibly that means we have to.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Put a man? Do we have to put man in quotes?
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well, this is a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Can we send him some chalk? Because the tea levels,
I'm telling you, sub medical grade. You're gonna hear this
near Ostensibly, this is a man. Ralph Vacciano tweets, you
just heard this clip an unprofessional disgrace from the reporter,
to the guys in the booth, to the producer in
(49:45):
the truck, who could have stopped it at any point.
It's not fun, it's not cool, it's not harmless, and
it's only a standard for harassment. This this is a
guy who covers sports like I feel my estrogen level
rising just from listening to this. I cannot respond.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
There were a bunch of these guys in these girls
who lose their mind. I have been arguing that. Frankly,
I found that a company based on it. The disconnect
between the average sports fan and the average sports media
member is more substantial than the disconnect between media and
any other group that consumes their content anywhere. And let
me hit you at this buck, and this is my
(50:29):
overall thesis. If you cover a game for a living.
That is, your job is to watch people play something,
with very very few exceptions. Because there are some people
who are like, hey, I'm a sports reporter, but I
also cover trials so there could be criminal cases, or
I'm a sports business reporter and I'm focused on the
(50:50):
valuation of franchise things like that. But if you cover
the game itself, your job is to make someone like
something that they all he like like it more. And
if you don't do that, you're doing something wrong because
your job is to talk about a sport. Here's what
I think is really happening. I think these people everyone
(51:11):
who criticize this Braves reporter I think voted for Kamala
Harris overwhelmingly they hate fun.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I also think so.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Many people in sports media are insecure because they're grown
ups who cover a game, and instead of embracing the fun,
they feel like they have to convince people that they're
capable sitting at the big, big kids table, and so
they wildly overanalyze the significance of relatively fun, not very
(51:41):
significant moments.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Clay, if a single guy can't take his shot and
ask a pretty lady for her phone number, I don't
even know what country we live in anymore?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It's defin not America. This is the entire basis for
how every human gets together. Right, Every baby on some
level required most of the time. Sometimes girls get number
most of the time it's guys requires a guy to
ask a girl for her phone number? Right, this is
the foundation of all of our existences.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
The funniest thing is you can always tell when people
ask rhetorical questions and the rhetorical question is obviously wrong
and stupid, meaning they think that it's like, oh, what
would have happened if a woman had asked a guy
if the rolls were the guy would be doing backflips?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:22):
An attractive female say if he's single, and if you're not,
you just say I'm married, or you say I have
a girlfriend. But if a single if an attractive sideline
reporter came up to Clay pre Laura or Buck pre
Carrie and was like, hey, like, can I.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Have your phone number? I promise you, we wouldn't have
been like I feel so harassed.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
It would have been the greatest moment of every guy's life. Now,
women don't think about this in the same way as men,
because if you're an attractive woman, you are being pursued
by men every moment of your life, right, I mean
this is the reality. You go to the grocery store
a good looking guy, I mean, you're a good looking girl,
A guy might hit on you, right like you're at
the gym. Wherever you are, there are men who are
(53:03):
pursuing you. This is how biology works. By Marge. You
might not like the guys that are pursuing you, but
the idea buck to your point. If a pretty girl
in the stands has a microphone and she's interviewing a
guy and somebody remarks, hey, chemistry looks pretty good here.
You should ask him for his phone number, and he
got the phone number, every guy in America would be like,
(53:24):
this is the coolest thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
They're not gonna rip the girl. This is a hero moment.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Everybody would say it was really cool of the girl
to take the to make the move, and you know,
the guy is the luckiest guy we've seen.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
How you sort of get into this?
Speaker 3 (53:39):
How are people supposed to meet people?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Right? What is now?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
That?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Is it all? Just?
Speaker 3 (53:44):
It's only algorithms online where you're you're you know, you're
at arms distance and you don't actually have to deal
with the possibility of like rejecting somebody or actually talking
to them. I mean what I clay, when you sent
me that, I swear I kept reading through it and
it was just like my Fortunately I have a lot
of hair, but I was pulling the hair out of
my head. I could not understand.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is the only sports media site in the entire country
that will say, there's nothing wrong with this. This is good,
lighthearted fact.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I mean to me, this is almost like, you know,
at the end of a local news cast, they'll do like, oh,
like a local mallard in the park, you know, lost
one of her something happy.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
To try to send people off into their day.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yes, this is like a happy end of newscast kind
of story. It's like, oh, and she found her baby duckling, yay,
you know see tomorrow, everybody. This is like a nice,
happy story. It's cute. Look, maybe she gave him a
fake number. Look maybe it doesn't go to It doesn't matter.
It's a nice little exchange. Obviously, people think this this
woman that he's asking, you know, is an attractive young woman,
(54:44):
and it's all I just this is like, it's like
Shakespearean comedy. It's like, this is the sort of thing
that in Western civilization we'd all sit around and smile
about it and be like, Oh, isn't that fun and killjoy.
Sports reporters think that it undermines the seriousness of in
the industry or something like are they just because nobody
watched the WNBA draft play?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (55:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
What is the problem here?
Speaker 1 (55:07):
They're also making a ridiculous argument that this somehow equates
to them dating a player or an athlete. This is
not the same thing at all. Thing to do with
that not ni remotely close. And also it's just a
desperate desire to make yourself a victim something nice happens
on television. You know what, I already tweeted this, but
(55:29):
this is not going to surprise you. I would if
I own the Braves, I would totally steer into this controversy.
I would have them go on a date at a game.
I would have a reporter assigned to cover the date
during the course of the during the course of the broadcast.
You know this because you've done this show long enough
for me. My response anytime somebody criticizes any anything that
(55:51):
I do is to do it even more aggressively, Like
some people are like, oh, you know what, I'll take
a step back. I'm like, we're going to go faster,
even faster into the controversy. And I would totally lean
into this because I think what it does, and this
was the basic foundation of OutKick is I think that
much of social media as BS, I think that a
(56:12):
lot of what people say there is not representative of
the real world. And if you allow yourself to be
governed by what people say on social media, you end
up making moronic decisions for your company, for your brand,
for your personal life. Because in the analogy I've made
for a long time, and I think I'm being proven
more right every single day, is it would be like
(56:33):
buck back in the day, remember those funny mirrors when
you would go to a carnival and some of them
make you look super fat and some of them make
you look super skinny. If you tried to adjust your
diet based on a funhouse mirror, imagine how broken your
overall life would be. I think that's the story of media.
I think media used social media as a representative, honest,
(56:56):
reflection of the real world and tried to adjust their
coverage as of a result, and I think they lit
themselves on fire. I think Trump saw it. Certainly, we
saw it in Sports without Kick and sanity's returning. But
every time we have one of these blow ups, I
look at the comments like you did, and I just
I feel like I'm living in a different world than
the reality of the day to day existence that I see.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
I it's still it is.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
It's one of those things where I didn't think we
would really talk about this because it would only be
you know, there's some people who, you know, they'll get
mad at you. If you're like, hey, you know what
can relax? You take a deep breath. They're like, oh,
I'm sorry, mister big deep breath.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
People got mad at you and you were like, hey,
you know what, you should do more of walk? And
people were like, oh, you're so such an elitist. Look
at you able to.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
See radio hosts with your walking daily m you know,
I swear I'm not kidding. There were a bunch of
people that were attacking me, like, sorry, some of us
have jobs that don't I'm like, don't allow you to
find any time in the day to go for a
walk anywhere? Okay, I mean I'm sorry you work in
like the Fox con iPhone factory. This is like me
and I I've said this to my boys, like, hey,
(58:01):
you can do push ups anywhere. I understand everybody doesn't
have a fat, fancy gym membership, but you can do
push ups and sit ups pretty much anywhere. I mean,
people in jail sales get ripped because they just sit
around and do push ups and sit ups all day.
You can walk anywhere pretty much unless you either people
that want to be bitter about everything was my point,
and you'll find that on the internet. They just want
to be bitter. But people that make a living commenting
(58:22):
on sports, instead of seeing this as a viral clip
and something that can bring everyone together a lot of
a lot plays point is it's not that a cup.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
A lot of them were attacking this twenty thirty people
with substantial audiences like this is unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
How dare this be allowed to occur?
Speaker 1 (58:38):
As real people are so nuts?
Speaker 2 (58:43):
There's more totally nuts it is. It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Anyway, if you're a single guy, go ask a pretty
girl for her phone number and hopefully you'll have kids
one day and that will be the foundation of your
or if.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
'or if you're a nice young woman and you find
a guy who's single and you think he's cute, ask him.
I promise you if he's not gonna be like that,
he's not going to be offended. You're not going to
be offended. I promise you.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Could like, Oh dare you? How dare you? Madam?
Speaker 1 (59:05):
One of the most intimidating things that any man ever
has to do is ask a pretty girl for her
phone number, her contact information, because it sets you up
for rejection. As everybody who's ever been to prom everybody
who's ever been to a dance, men have to ask overwhelmingly. Yeah,
if you're a pretty girl and you like a guy,
go for it. But I got my battleship. I got
my battleship sunk plenty of times before I got married.
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Welcome Back in Clay Travis Fuck Sexton Show. One of
my favorite lines Buck from the Office. Michael Scott says, well,
how the turn tables have turned? And I am quoting
that roughly, but he's trying to say the tables have turned,
and boy, oh boy, has that happened in a big
(00:22):
way in the state of New York. I'm going to
dive in here because it is positively delectable. We've also
got Maine being sued by the Department of Justice Attorney
General Pam Bondi our friend Riley Gaines in a press
conference this morning. I can't believe this is real, but
they're having to sue because Maine is refusing to implement
(00:43):
Trump administration rules which would not allow men to which
would not permit men to win women's championships. Basically, men
can't compete in women's sports. One bit of news there.
Maybe we'll dive into this a bit later. The Supreme
Court of England had ruled that trans women that as
men pretending to be women, are not actual women.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And JK.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Rowling, who has been incredible on this issue, I never
would have thought that the Harry Potter author would end
up being an complete warrior on this issue. Many people
in England are exalting over the fact that their Supreme
Court has finally weighed in. We will talk about that
and more, but I wanted to start with this for you,
(01:27):
Buck because this news hit last night, I believe, and
I actually think it's incredible, and the news is and
we're gonna play you a cut from Harris Faulkner's show
to kind of explain this in detail, but essentially, Letitia
James has been caught on multiple forms where she applied
(01:49):
for mortgages committing fraud in order to get a better
mortgage rate. Now the irony here, of course, is she
accused Trump of lying and inflating his assets to get
a lower rate on his commercial business loans, his real
estate transactions. So that is more complicated because there was,
(02:11):
and this was Trump's major defense, a huge investment bank
investigating in a substantial way Trump's assets. As happens for
anyone out there that has ever taken out a loan
of the magnitude that Trump is taking. Whereas Letitia James
and her lies on the forms are very concrete were
(02:33):
committed by her. There isn't some big investment bank overarching
relationship here as would happen in a major business transaction
as applied for Trump, so basically what she is accused
of doing buck, among other things. There are at least
three different mortgage fraud lies that she appears to have committed.
(02:55):
The most prominent and the easiest to apply is she
the Attorney General of New York. She lives in the
state of New York and is required to live there.
On a mortgage claim or mortgage request application that she
made in the state of Virginia in the Norfolk, Virginia area,
(03:17):
she checked on that form that she was in fact
a resident of Virginia, that her primary residence was this Norfolk,
Virginia home. That is an open and shut case. And
for those of you who have ever applied for a mortgage,
your primary residence rate is substantially lower because the risk
(03:40):
profile of it is quite different. You are living there
in theory yourself. This is an open and shut case.
She's caught in that claim, and I'll talk about a
couple of the other ones, but this one is easy.
I think everybody would understand it. She said she was
living in Virginia to get a better mortgage rate. She
cannot live in Virginia as a as a requirement for
(04:03):
being the Attorney General of New York, as one might imagine,
she is required to live in New York State. This
is an open and chuck case. She lied on a
mortgage form. I'll get to the two others, but this
kind of brings home for a lot of people out there.
They accuse you of what they have actually done. I
think she's in serious trouble here and this is going
(04:24):
to lead to prosecution.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Well as Clay and I both know. I thought you were.
It's funny. I would have thought you might have jumped
right into this. This is a big subplot from the
show of The Wire, which I will say is one of,
in my opinion, the best TV shows of all time. Yes,
if you haven't seen it, everyone I know in law
enforcement says, for the time that's twenty years old, but
(04:49):
for the period, they have the right lingo the the
you know, they have the right understanding of the bureaucracy.
It feels almost like a scripted documentary. I think you
could say anyway, The Wire's a fantastic show. I think
it holds up. But there is in the Wire a politician.
He is a charismatic black man by the name of
(05:11):
Clay Davis, and he gets caught up with the drug
gangs down there. There's a whole I can't get you know,
that's five seasons of a show. But what do they
finally get them on? Kind of the capone tax evasion thing.
They find out that it's very similar to this. They've
got him on mortgage fraud. Now in the show. By
the way, i'll just say i'm quoting the show, they
(05:34):
call this the headshot because mortgage fraud is easy to prove, yeah,
very hard to defend, and the penalties are actually quite severe.
The average mortgage fraud offender who has convicted Clay goes,
goes to prison. It is a car siral sentence, usually
(05:55):
for a couple of years. Now you can get up
to thirty years. That would obviously be if you did
this on a systematic, I think grander scale. But and
there's state law, there's federal law, a lot of things
coming to play here. But Clay, here's another thing that
I think we should take it because you you identified
the most amazing part of this right away, which is
that she went after Trump for a civil asset inflation crime.
(06:20):
Essentially or civil asset inflation fraud. And she was completely wrong.
If somebody who anyone who says mar A Lago was
worth twenty million.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Dollars eighteen million is I mean it might, it might
be a billion dollar profits.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I mean, I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't think Trump would entertain and offer less than
a billion dollars at this point, because when you add
the historic value plus the surge in real estate prices
in Palm Beach, you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Know there are houses selling rushes. Former house sold for
over one hundred million dollars in one hundred and sixty Clay,
I think it is one hundred and fifty five. It
is much smaller the scope of his property than mar
A Lago. So she was completely wrong on the facts.
She ran for Attorney General promising to prosecute a private citizen,
(07:08):
Donald Trump, which is disgraceful and as we see in
the with the case of Clay Davis, the talk about
from the show, now she looks like she's got a
situation on her hands, Clay when they went after so
this is this story is amazing. I saw your tweet
at last night. I mean I saw this and I
(07:28):
just my jaw dropped because I cannot imagine. Let me
just say this book, I can't imagine prosecuting a case
against Trump if you knew that you had this in
your background. I mean, it is crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
This this fits into what we always say, what you
always say, I've been saying it too for years.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
They accuse you of.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
The things that they themselves do, which I will tell
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And you know what, one of the favorite things things
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to power acute whatever mistakes they make, it's someone they
accuse somebody else of doing the thing, whatever treachery they're
(08:08):
involved in, they accuse somebody else of doing that tread.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean, it's it's the classic.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Evil doer move is, oh, I didn't poison my rival,
you poisoned my This is what they do all the time,
and so they accused people of doing what they themselves do.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
But Clay, here's the I think the bigger issue for
this is, like I said, easy to prove this is
not going to be a he said, she why I
started with the first one, she lives in New York
and she say in her primary residence is in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
That's impossible.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Her only defense for this, if this is going to
be it was a claric. Now, I, by the way,
you and I both had done real estate investing, and
you know we've bought properties, and everybody knows if it
is an investment property, you have to disclose that to
the bank. Right, Clay can't pretend that he lives in
a house in Memphis when he actually lives in Nashville.
(09:01):
Me I can't say I live in Tampa when I
actually live in Miami. Right, this is very straightforward. Everybody
knows this. She is the state attorney general. Of course
she would know. But now, Clay, here's where we really
get into it. I want to know how many people
in New York State under her tenure have served prison
sentences for similar time, because I promise you there have
(09:24):
been people who have gone away for mortgage fraud. I
was working a terrorism case many years ago where the
investigators realized we couldn't get the guy on terrorism, but
somebody involved was involved in a mortgage fraud, and there
was this whole dispute as to whether we should use
counter terrorism resources very high end, nail the guy on
the mortgage fraud even though we couldn't get him on
(09:44):
the terrorism charge. You know, it gets into this capone thing. Anyway,
won't get too deep into that. But Clay, if she
sent anyone away or anyone was sent away under her
tenure or before her tenure, for mortgage fraud in the
state of New York, and she is guilty of this crime,
she has to go to a l.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I agree, And there are several other things.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
We're going to play this audio for you in a moment,
because I think this is a huge story. Remember she
said repeatedly, no one is above the law. She also
refused to allow Trump to argue. And by the way,
this is one billion percent true.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Trump had a huge team of.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
People working on his investment papers with the major investment bank.
Trump is not sitting there with a pencil going through
like writing all the information in. He has an entire
organization of people. This is important, Buck, because she's gonna say,
I bet I didn't do this. Somebody else filled this
out for me. They just checked the wrong box. That's
(10:41):
specifically the defense she said was unacceptable for Trump in any.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
They have her on the act. It's just a question
of the intent. They're going to have to argue intent
on this, and with this kind of stuff that can
be very especially when you're the state attorney general. You
don't know what a mortgage paperwork looks like. Okay, here's
the other part of this. And he doesn't run a
major business organization. I wouldn't imagine she's applying for that
(11:05):
many mortgages. She's like, in this respect, a normal person.
Here's the other thing, buck, in order to get another
property in Brooklyn. She said that she and her dad
were married, because married couples often get lower rates of
mortgages than singles do same last name. I presume this
(11:28):
is also gonna get hard to explain this is a
different property in Brooklyn. Can I just point this out, Clay.
They're going to try so hard to say that this
is vindictive, that this is political payback, that this is
all of these things, with these crimes. It's like possession
(11:48):
crime if they find for.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
The gun thing when he has on drugs exactly, or.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
This is not a oh but are you within the
scope of your office? And the no, no, no, no, no,
there's no argument here. You either did the thing that
is a violation of a law or you didn't, and
they would not be talking about this Clay. If this
is paperwork, they either have her or they don't. Right,
she's in a world of trouble. Yeah, well, we'll talk
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Big bombshell news story first Hour was over Letitia James,
the Attorney General of New York State, who went after
Trump so aggressively on inflating his assets, and the whole
case was a sham. She really tried to bankrupt Trump
or at least cash starve him during the election, so
she was trying to subvert the election process as well
(14:47):
with that prosecution. And as Clay and I have discussed,
it was sorry if I found out of breath. I
just ran down to check on the baby for a
second and had to take a flight of.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Stairs in one leap here.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
But the the Letitia James prosecution of Trump on the
civil case was clearly a political hit. And now we
find out that there are allegations that are looking pretty
solid that she herself is a mortgage fraudster. And I
would just point out that our team, I asked them,
and of course our team is the best in the business.
(15:21):
They got a whole bunch of these right away. Clay
press release after press release, New York the Feds sixty
six months for mortgage fraud thirty months for mortgage fraud.
You know, ring leader sentenced in seven million dollar mortgage fraud, conspiracy,
seven million dollar mortgage fraud. You're talking about houses. That's
(15:44):
not that. That's not that big of a you know,
that's not that many houses, especially if you're talking about
New York, it's maybe a couple of houses. So I'm
sure it was more than that. But you get what
I'm saying. So people go to prison for this, they
really do. And people like letician I bet Letitia James
presided over people going to prison for this, So I
take a guarantee she has threatened tons of people over
(16:06):
this exact thing that she did. So I have I
have no sympathy or sentencing mercy in my mind at
all for somebody who sends other people to prison for
conduct that they themselves do. They're there, you have. This
is to me, it's like you have to take the
hardest line on that if you're going to be somebody
(16:27):
that's you wielding that power when you yourself are engaged
in the because it undermines so much faith that anybody
could have in the system. I mean, yes, prosecutors, could
you imagine, I mean, what if a prosecutor says, sorry,
you're going to prison for twenty years for fentanyl. But
I'm gonna take some of that fentanyl we seized and
sell it myself on the street because you can make
(16:47):
great money on that. Shouldn't that person go away for
a long time of course? Right, so we all understand
the concept. Clay, Now I need you to dive into
this other legal issue here, all right, Lawyer Clay, put
the hat on.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Federal Judge James Boseburg finds probable cause to hold Trump
in contempt over deportation flights. There's there's so much here
to dive. And first of all, the left has decided
that this guy who got sent to U El South Salvador. Yeah,
this guy got sent to El Salvador. This is like
(17:21):
their new this is their new cause, right that this
individual and Clay, just to put this in context, everybody agrees,
I meaning the facts are he's illegal and subject to deportation. Yes,
But what they're saying is this time, the way he
was deported skipped a step, So they are demanding that
(17:43):
Trump bring him back to put him through that step
before he's deported. Even though everyone agrees he's deportable. There
is no argument about whether he will end up being deported.
This judge Boseburg guy is a lunatic. What what's he's
gonna hold Trump and contempt what he thinks is going
to lock up the sitting president.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
What is this lunatic doing?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So this is going to get complicated legally. Let me
also add in about this individual from Maryland who was
sent to El Salvador. This morning, I saw Bill Malugin
sharing a story that this individual in twenty twenty one
had a protective order brought against him by the mother
(18:27):
of his children. So she is now saying he's the
greatest father who's ever lived. Oh my goodness, what's going
on here? But in twenty twenty one she went to
the courts because she said that he was being abusive.
So I just bring that up for you have a
sitting senator who has basically ignored any crimes that have
(18:49):
been committed by illegals in the United States, meaning he
hasn't ever met with Lake and Riley's family or I
think the more in family, this mom of five who
killed by an illegal in Maryland. In fact, he's refused
to meet with them, but he's gonna get on a
plane and fly to El Salvador for an accused wife
beater gang leader who's allegedly who is in the country
(19:12):
we know illegally, and that's who he's gonna make the
guy to fight for.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Very strange.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Okay, Now let's go to and I think it's going
to blow up in their face in a negative way.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
But this is the new new crisis. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
We had egg prices, we had the stock market, we
had the signal group chat. You can kind of just
run through all the things that they've tried to latch
onto to argue this is some sort of existential crisis
for the country, and they've all kind of faded. Okay,
so this case in particular, Yeah, I don't even know
how you would hold the sitting president and his administration
(19:48):
in contempt. First of all, Usually when you are held
in contempt, there is and other lawyers out there can
weigh in. Maybe some of you have been held in
contempt of court before, I I have not. Usually there
is either a penalty where you can be occasionally put
in jail. Right like, you are so contemptuous, the judge decides, hey,
(20:09):
I've got to haul you out of the courtroom, you've
got to be held in a prison cell for some
period of time, or there's some sort of financial penalty,
or there's some sort of threat about your law license
and what might impact there. I don't understand how any
of that can apply when the President of the United
States and his administration are arguing that they have the
(20:31):
legal authority to do this. So this is a dispute
over authority. Does a federal district court judge have the
authority to force the president and his administration to do
anything in this particular situation, there will be an appeal.
(20:53):
The appeal will then go to the DC Circuit, right,
a larger court here, they will probably go Bosburg because
of the makeup of the DC Circuit.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Usually you get a small part.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Of the DC Circuit and then if you wanted to,
you could appeal to the full DC Circuit. Usually they
skip that. Yes, Usually they skip that there's a three
seat judge review appellet. Usually they skip the en banca
to his bucka is lawyerly using that phrase, and they
go and go ahead and appeal to the Supreme Court.
(21:25):
And remember the Supreme Court has said nine to zero
basically nothing right. I mean they're trying to avoid having
to issue a ruling on this because ultimately this is
about presidential powers, and I just I knew it was coming.
I thought they would have a better face of the
(21:46):
Trump deportation battles than an alleged gangbanger who had a
protective order taken out against him that everybody acknowledges is
illegally in the country. I don't find this guy to
be a particularly persuasive front facing exam of Trump overreach personally,
but that's where we.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Are, and the Democrats are just once again lining up, regardless.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Of the of the procedural back.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
And forth over this, you know, the sort of legal
machinations going on here, they're lining up behind someone for
whom it is very difficult to garner public sympathy. And
so there's a there's a political component to all of this,
Clay right, there's a political component where I think that
(22:34):
they still don't get how angry everybody is about the
vindictive and wide open border that Biden had for us,
and they can't make us care about some deported MS
thirteen gang banger. They just they can't. They really are
trying hard to make this about oh my gosh, you know,
we have lost we have lost the republic if this
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guy isn't returned so that he can be expelled again.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
But that's the part of this that it's like they
want to do over.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know, if you were at imagine like you're at
a like a venue, a stadium, and you go and
you walk through a restricted area to get to your seat,
and they come up to you and they go, no, no,
We're going to make you get back up and walk
through the non restricted area to get to your seat.
You're like, well, but I mean, this is my seat
and I'm here, so what are we doing. That's kind
of the legal equivalent of what they're demanding here. There's
(23:24):
not going to be a different result, but they want
to create an additional procedural hurdle, which brings me to
another part of it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
On the one hand, like.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I said, we saw the border betrayal, we saw the violations,
the serial violations of our sovereignty by these democrats and
by this system, And what we've learned is that they
just don't want to deport anybody, and that these judges
who are weighing in on this stuff, they actually don't
(23:51):
want If you can't be okay with this MS thirteen
guy being deported or the trend that Aragua guy's being deported.
You don't want anybody deported, which means any evildoer from
anywhere in the world who happens to sneak into America
has to be our problem forever. And you know what,
a solid majority of the American people, the American people
(24:15):
who are capable of looking at reality, applying common sense
and seeing things for what they are, which I think
is really like sixty five seventy percent of us, I
really do. I think that's what this. You know, the
other thirty percent or so, I'm sorry, they're nuts.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What can you do?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But you know, the CNN has seeped too far into
their brains. But Clay, they just want these people gone.
They just want these non Americans gone. And you know,
that's it at the end of the day. They're not
going to be made to weep over whether the guy
you know who was joining up with MS thirteen, who
wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got
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every box check before he got sent packing.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
The report.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let me get this, because I do think it's significant,
is from Andy No and he has posted the actual
court documents according to him, and I'll share this tweet.
On May fifth, twenty twenty one, the either girlfriend or
wife that is now claiming that he's being treated unfairly
filed a domestic violence complaint against him, seeking protections from
(25:22):
Maryland because theoretically her husband or boyfriend was behaving in
a way that threatened her. And so she now says
he was a phenomenal husband. I would just submit to you,
sometimes there are disputes. Most phenomenal husbands don't have court
cases alleging domestic violence filed against them by their wives
(25:43):
or their girlfriends.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
So this is the guy that the sitting one of
the sitting senators from Maryland felt compelled to get on
a flight to El Salvador to in some way try
to defend. And again, this is a guy who has
been adjudicated to be a member of a gang, to
have been here illegally, and to have had a domestic
(26:08):
violence complaint now brought against him. I'm sharing, retweeting that
story right now. And you would think, if we had
an honest media that they might actually ask that Maryland senator, Hey,
you know, the guy has a domestic violence case brought
against him in addition to being a gang member and
(26:30):
also being here illegally.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
This is who you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Want to make the front facing, you know, opposition resistance
to the Trump deportation orders. I think they could have
picked a better guy personally. I think this is going
to blow up in their face.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, this is where you're talk in politics about the optics.
And they mobilize far more for an illegal gang member
than the Democrats have ever mobilized for anyone. Murder buying
illegal gang member, raped buying a legal gang member. I mean,
you know, you go down this list what upsets Democrats more?
(27:07):
Just ask yourself this question the Lake and Riley horrific
crime committed or this no frame know that New York Times?
What is the New York Times more concerned with Lake
and Riley or this guy? And I think and you
could just do it straightforward study of it. Look at
where we're look at where there's more front page coverage,
(27:28):
look at where there's more focus from Democrats. You all
know the answer to this. And I'm sorry, but we
don't have to pretend that we don't recognize this for
what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
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to be even more productive. Leticia James, We believe that
she is in significant legal peril over alleged more mortgage fraud.
It appears that she has lied about where her primary
residence is, flied about being married to her father, of
all things, lied about the size of a Brooklyn location
property that she bought. We think there's going to be
(30:06):
a lot to come out of this, and certainly it
is the height of irony because she tried to bankrupt
President Trump over allegations that he misrepresented the value of
his property holdings, among other things. We have got strong
evidence out there that Trump voters still strongly support Trump.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We had some fun with.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
That, and there are a variety of other stories that
are percolating that we have discussed, including what exactly is
going to happen with the Maryland gang member, alleged domestic abuser,
illegal immigrant who has been removed from the country, and
where we are headed for that from a legal perspective.
But there are two other stories that are out there
(30:47):
that I think are significant. First, Buck, we talked about this,
you were out on Monday. I said, look, whoever was
responsible for trying to burn down the Pennsylvania Governor's residence
is a really bad guy. Regardless of what his political
motivations were, there should be incredible, significant punishment levied against
(31:12):
this guy. Doesn't matter whether the governor's a Democrat or Republican,
this shouldn't happen or an independent. And now there is
evidence that has come out, according to Pennsylvania news reports,
that the reason the arsonists acted was because Shapiro, the Governor,
(31:32):
was too strong of a supporter of Israel and he
thought that Palestinians and those in Gaza were being treated unfairly.
This actually logically adds up in some way, because I believe, Buck,
you're better at the Jewish Holy Days than I am.
This happened basically right after the Passover celebration, the dinner
(31:54):
that they were having inside of the governor's residence, So
the idea that this was just purely by chance timing
did not add up. I expected that their way may
well have been some connection to the Jewish faith of
the governor here. And so this arsonist told authorities, according
to reports coming out of Pennsylvania this morning, that his
(32:17):
motivation was basically trying to kill the governor, who is Jewish.
And his family because he believed that they had not
been protective enough of Palestinian rights. As it pertains to
the response of October seventh, toxic.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
This is awful. Yes, well, it's it's anti Semitic.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's awful. It's it's attempted murder. It's it's horrible on
a human level, because he's a he's a man, he's
a husband, he's he's got a wife and kids in
the house. I'm trying to burn anybody down in their home,
is I mean, this should be taken with the utmost seriousness,
and the penalty for the lawful penalty for this should
(32:54):
be severe, and I think it will be as it
should be. Uh. And I would just add that the
Palestinian issue, as you see, has become this is now
grown in the if you will, the uh sort of
the menu of left wing lunacy items. This is very
(33:16):
high on the list. This is we We've gone through
different things, right. We know, there's been the transagenda stuff,
which we'll have more on that. Actually what's going on
with Maine, yeah, and the Trump administration there. But you
know there's the transagenda stuff. There's Ukraine, which some people
on the left, oddly have decided is the most important
thing in the world. People can't find Ukraine on a map,
(33:38):
care more about the final borders of Ukraine than anything else,
and are willing to risk escalation with the nuclear power
over it anyway. But the Palestinian issue has become I
think for people Clay who are who have a virtue
signaling derangement. I mean, I'm really trying to get into
(33:58):
the psychology of this. But for people who are absolutely
desperate to latch onto something because they tend to be
very unhappy with their lives, they tend to have you know,
they tend to have a lot of unresolved psychological issues. Oh,
but I stand with the super oppressed Palestinians. Are the
Palestinians more oppressed than than people right now who are
(34:22):
being massacred in South Sudan. No that they are. They
are in fact not. Uh, but people would argue, of
course that they're the most depressed people in the history
of the world. Because this has been this is now
an issue, right, This is something that you get to
sign on to that if you are of this mindset,
it makes you a It's like a religious belief right.
(34:44):
If you sign onto this. It wipes away all of
your shortcomings and you get to think of yourself as
a good person who stands on the right side of
an issue, and that when you're talking about left wing people,
can cause them to do incredibly during things and move
on incredibly to violent things. I mean, this is the basis.
(35:04):
You know, extreme belief is the basis of most terrorism,
and that's what this is.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I would tie it in.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Imagine Buck, this is a far left wing activist trying
to burn down a Democrat senator, I mean Democrat governor's
home and kill everyone inside because they are not far
left wing enough with their politics as it pertains to
the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Think about this, Buck.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We had a would be assassin show up at Brett
Kavanaugh's house. We had two would be assassin's attempt to
kill the President of the United States, one of whom
came within a quarter inch of Butler, Pennsylvania from succeeding
the other of whom, as I told you, and I'm
still stunned by almost happened at Trump's West Palm Beach course.
(35:49):
And if you walk the sixth hole there, the fact
that that guy was allowed to be there with a
gun all day long is criminal negligence in my opinion.
And now you add in Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. These
are four different clear assassination attempts that have been brought
to air, both against Republicans and Democrats by far left
(36:10):
wing ideologues. If Trump's supporters had tried to kill four
different people in the similar manner, it's all that would
be talked about right wing extremism. Who's to blame for
all of this occurring? As is a lot of these stories,
just vanish.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Did you mention in that list the twenty eighteen baseball shooting?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I did not, which god has Bernie Sanders supporter asked
whether or not it was Democrats or Republicans on the field?
Open fire and Steve Scalice is lucky to be alive.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, he was hit.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, of course, Rand Paul was there. Rand Paul was
almost killed by two different lunatic Democrats in about a
twelve or eighteen month period, I forget the dates, but
almost killed twice by Democrats. This is where we have
to get into this. You know, there was this whole
face effort on the under the Biden administration, and it
(37:03):
was an extension of the Obama administration, which we all
remember and recognize to say that, you know, right wing
extremism is the biggest threat facing America. And you know,
white nationalists or hiding behind every corner. And as I said,
I've never met a white nationalist in my life. I
have actually met gee hottists. I've never met a white nationalist.
Uh So they were pushing this narrative. You look at
(37:26):
where the political violence has really occurred. You look, look,
Republicans have gotten shot. Republicans have gotten shot.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't want.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Anyone to get shot, to be clear, but it is
lunatics on the left. When you're talking about political stuff,
you know, you have you know, and then you could
get into though. They would probably say, well, look, Gabby
Gifford's was shot.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Gabby Giffords was shot.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
By a maniac.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That is true.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
And they immediately tried to blame it on Republicans as
you know, Yes, they try to blame it on Sarah Palin.
In the case of Ran Paul being shot at with
a number of other members of Congress on that baseball
field in Alexandria, Virginia, the guy had a rifle and
shot stieves.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Galie Lucky to be alive.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
They never take any tone responsibility.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
For any of this.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Clay two, and you saw, I mean you essentially scouted
after the fact the attempted assassination grounds of Trump at
that base, at that criminal negligence.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
It's criminal negligence that guy was allowed to sit in
that in those bushes all day and that Trump would
come within a hole. Remember he was there like eight hours.
I mean, it's indefensible.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
I just you know, you start to wonder. It's like
I know this, I know the nature and character of
the people that listen to this show, and I know
that all of us would sit around and say, you know,
if somebody was taking a lethal action against the Democrat politician,
like kind of like their house on fire or going
after with a firearm, and we had an opportunity to
intervene and use lethal force to protect that Democrat, we
(39:00):
would do it a hundred times out of one hundred,
because it's the right thing to do. You do get
this sense that there are unfortunately a lot of people
on the left, because they say it out loud, Clay,
they say they write it online that they will say
things like I hope he the next one won't miss
(39:20):
I hope the next time they're successful. And I'm telling you,
I really don't. I would be honest about this. I mean,
I would call it out if I saw it. Nobody
on the right is saying anything like, oh, Joshapiro, you know,
the next arsonist. You know, no one says anything like that.
But they say that about Trump, and they said it
(39:42):
about Steve Scalise, and they said it about Rand Paul,
and they've said it about Kavanaugh. And you know, my
point here is that the virulent political radicalism in this
country is not entirely on the left, but it is
overwhelmingly on the left.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
That's one hundred percent right. And I just want all
of you to think about again. This story is going
to vanish, and the idea what I said on Monday,
Buck was the idea that there was a guy able
to get into the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion and start the
fire that he did is such a failure of the
Pennsylvania Governor's protective detail that it reminds me of what
(40:25):
happened at Butler, and it reminds me of what happened
at West Palm Beach. And it should not be overlooked
because only by the grace of God, is he still
alive because you look at those images of how bad
the burn the burned out home was very easily Josh
Shapiro and his entire family could have burned to death
in that home. And that's a failure of security. Much
like to your point, you've said it for a long time,
(40:46):
the fact that that maniac in Butler, Pennsylvania was able
to get his shots off. We were so thankful and
fortunate that they that he did not get his target.
But the fact that it even occurred is such a
failure that there's should be severe consequences.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
The only reason has been the only reason true Trump
is alive not because of the Secret Service. We all
know this Trump is alive because of chance in the
hand of God, either or you get to pick. I
would say the hand of God. Some people just say
he's lucky. Doesn't it's not the Secret Service. They failed, Yes,
they If somebody can get a shot on the target
(41:23):
and hit the target, secret Service has abjectly failed. They
just got they were fortunate about the oppose it was
not and.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
They was Shapiro.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
If you don't die because somebody tried to burn your
house down with you inside it. It's only by the
grace of God or your good fortune. Again your point,
either one of those. The security detail failed.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, I'm I'm sitting here and I'm wondering how the
heck this could have happened, by the way, Yeah, I mean,
I'm I'm the Governor's mansion. I'm gonna tell you, you know,
we have a lot, We have a lot of Pennsylvania listeners.
I used to go to camp in Pennsylvania. It's a
great state. People of Pennsylvania's look, it's a fantastic places,
so much great stuff, there so many great people there.
And I want the governor of Pennsylvania to be safe
(42:08):
in his home with his family. I don't care what
their political party is. Yes, right, And this is where
you know the country that we are as a country
that says no one gets burned down in their home,
regardless of their politics or their ideology.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And we need to send.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
A very their religion, which seems to have been the
target here too.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Political religious targeting, is really what it is. Yeah, I mean,
this is this is an this is an anti Jewish thing,
and unfortunately the history of that in our country and
stretching back for a very long time. Is U is
a tragic and far too common one. But the point
is we hope Joshapiro's family are okay, and uh, there
(42:49):
needs to be a reckoning among these because there are
just too many looney tunes running around. Look what they
did on the campus is they're threatening kids?
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yes, well, what they've done right, There are too many.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I didn't even think about the test of the dealerships
to have too many lunatics on their side. Okay, they
got to rain in the looney tunes before somebody gets
hurt again. Wouldn't be the first time. So I think
this stuff is becoming all too clear, no doubt.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton, appreciate all of
you hanging out with us. All right, one bit of
a housekeeping here. We have invited New York Attorney General
Letitia James, the Governor of New York, Kathy Hokel And interestingly,
remember who forced Andrew Cuomo out of the Governor's mansion,
Leticia James with her somewhat bogus sexual harassment investigation. Now
(45:22):
Andrew Cuomo is favored to be the next mayor of
New York City. We have invited Andrew Cuomo on to
talk about this as well. Maybe they will all say no,
but to be fair, based on our conversation in hour
one open for him for them if they would like
to come on and discuss. Now, let's have a little
bit of fun. Bunk has gotten fired up about this
(45:43):
because he can't believe that it's real. Some of you
may have seen this. I believe it was Monday night.
The Atlanta Braves are playing the Toronto Blue Jays, and
the Braves broadcast has a basically sideline reporter who is
a young, you know, good looking guy who is working
the sideline and he is interviewing two different girls, cute
(46:08):
blonde girls in the crowd who appear to be Braves fans.
I believe here is what it sounded like. This is
cut twenty four. The video is out. We'll post it
at clayanbuck dot com. If you have not seen this,
this has gone megaviral. But here is what it sounded
like if you were watching this baseball game Monday night.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
We have a lot of fun out here off the
coroner rooftop. Who do we got you? What's your name?
My name's Lauren Laurence. All right, and I'm Kayla Kayla,
and you guys hang out the rooftop lounge often once
a year I come out to visit. Okay, we timed
it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right? Good?
Speaker 5 (46:39):
How are you guys feeling my roof for the Braves today?
I don't know. I'm hoping for the best. What about you?
Are you Braves fan?
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Now? Not?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Quiet? Quiet?
Speaker 5 (46:47):
All right, I'm gonna go to work up here, guys,
Good luck the rest of the way. Okay, Wiley, we
got five innings, four innings to get the numbers.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Come on, come on, get us some more Braves fans.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
All right, So they want me to get your number.
I'm dead serious, they say to my right, I shouldn't
believe me because she thinks you guys are are not
making this up. Even if you guys weren't to, I
might use that in the future. That's a pretty good move.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Okay. So it continues.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
You can hear the girl in the background saying they
want you to get my number, and he ends up
getting one of these girl's phone numbers. It goes viral
and Buck, you have seen the reaction and you've been
texting me. I sent it to you because I was like,
I think you'll enjoy this. Many members of the sports
media have lost their mind. They are saying this is misogynistic.
(47:37):
They are saying this is completely unprofessional. You've seen the reactions.
Can you believe the reactions to that lighthearted clip that
we just played for you.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Claig knows he can do this because he tells me.
But I don't. As you all know, I don't pay
any attention to the sports media commentary world really, so
I just this is like it's as no Clays telling
me about the latest Broadway theater critics or something. I
just don't follow them, so I don't know. And he goes, oh, no,
you don't understand how woke they are. And he sends
me this stuff and it's like throwing steak in the
(48:08):
lion den. I completely freak out because all I can
think about is the sports media does this, Of all
the media to do this, the people that are talking
about guys you know, swinging bats and uh and throwing
balls and doing all this stuff and making all this money.
And you know, some of them have cheerleaders on the
sidelines or you know, dancers at halftime.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
They're free. It's in my mind.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
Even though he tells me, my mind continues to be
blown because it's I don't even know as possible, Clay,
what a kill joy? I mean, who could?
Speaker 1 (48:43):
If you can't you, I will read you a couple Yes,
people know, because some of you don't know. This is
a woman named Danny Sirek. She is on the sideline
some way or doing something. So are we still going
to ask women in sports if they're only doing their
job to date athletes? We can all agree how inappropriate
(49:04):
and nasty. This is not to mention the double standard, right,
these are not athletes, These are girls in the stands, right,
But this is a sportsman here's a man. This is
a man who writes Ostensibly that means we have to.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Put a man? Do we have to put man in quotes?
Speaker 2 (49:23):
Well, this is a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
Can we send him some chalk? Because the tea levels,
I'm telling you, sub medical grade. You're gonna hear this
near Ostensibly, this is a man. Ralph Vacciano tweets, you
just heard this clip an unprofessional disgrace from the reporter,
to the guys in the booth, to the producer in
(49:45):
the truck, who could have stopped it at any point.
It's not fun, it's not cool, it's not harmless, and
it's only a standard for harassment. This this is a
guy who covers sports like I feel my estrogen level
rising just from listening to this. I cannot respond.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
There were a bunch of these guys in these girls
who lose their mind. I have been arguing that. Frankly,
I found that a company based on it. The disconnect
between the average sports fan and the average sports media
member is more substantial than the disconnect between media and
any other group that consumes their content anywhere. And let
me hit you at this buck, and this is my
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overall thesis. If you cover a game for a living.
That is, your job is to watch people play something,
with very very few exceptions. Because there are some people
who are like, hey, I'm a sports reporter, but I
also cover trials so there could be criminal cases, or
I'm a sports business reporter and I'm focused on the
(50:50):
valuation of franchise things like that. But if you cover
the game itself, your job is to make someone like
something that they all he like like it more. And
if you don't do that, you're doing something wrong because
your job is to talk about a sport. Here's what
I think is really happening. I think these people everyone
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who criticize this Braves reporter I think voted for Kamala
Harris overwhelmingly they hate fun.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
I also think so.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Many people in sports media are insecure because they're grown
ups who cover a game, and instead of embracing the fun,
they feel like they have to convince people that they're
capable sitting at the big, big kids table, and so
they wildly overanalyze the significance of relatively fun, not very
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significant moments.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Clay, if a single guy can't take his shot and
ask a pretty lady for her phone number, I don't
even know what country we live in anymore?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
It's defin not America. This is the entire basis for
how every human gets together. Right, Every baby on some
level required most of the time. Sometimes girls get number
most of the time it's guys requires a guy to
ask a girl for her phone number? Right, this is
the foundation of all of our existences.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
The funniest thing is you can always tell when people
ask rhetorical questions and the rhetorical question is obviously wrong
and stupid, meaning they think that it's like, oh, what
would have happened if a woman had asked a guy
if the rolls were the guy would be doing backflips?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:22):
An attractive female say if he's single, and if you're not,
you just say I'm married, or you say I have
a girlfriend. But if a single if an attractive sideline
reporter came up to Clay pre Laura or Buck pre
Carrie and was like, hey, like, can I.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Have your phone number? I promise you, we wouldn't have
been like I feel so harassed.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
It would have been the greatest moment of every guy's life. Now,
women don't think about this in the same way as men,
because if you're an attractive woman, you are being pursued
by men every moment of your life, right, I mean
this is the reality. You go to the grocery store
a good looking guy, I mean, you're a good looking girl,
A guy might hit on you, right like you're at
the gym. Wherever you are, there are men who are
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pursuing you. This is how biology works. By Marge. You
might not like the guys that are pursuing you, but
the idea buck to your point. If a pretty girl
in the stands has a microphone and she's interviewing a
guy and somebody remarks, hey, chemistry looks pretty good here.
You should ask him for his phone number, and he
got the phone number, every guy in America would be like,
(53:24):
this is the coolest thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
They're not gonna rip the girl. This is a hero moment.
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Everybody would say it was really cool of the girl
to take the to make the move, and you know,
the guy is the luckiest guy we've seen.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
How you sort of get into this?
Speaker 3 (53:39):
How are people supposed to meet people?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Right? What is now?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
That?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Is it all? Just?
Speaker 3 (53:44):
It's only algorithms online where you're you're you know, you're
at arms distance and you don't actually have to deal
with the possibility of like rejecting somebody or actually talking
to them. I mean what I clay, when you sent
me that, I swear I kept reading through it and
it was just like my Fortunately I have a lot
of hair, but I was pulling the hair out of
my head. I could not understand.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is the only sports media site in the entire country
that will say, there's nothing wrong with this. This is good,
lighthearted fact.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I mean to me, this is almost like, you know,
at the end of a local news cast, they'll do like, oh,
like a local mallard in the park, you know, lost
one of her something happy.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
To try to send people off into their day.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yes, this is like a happy end of newscast kind
of story. It's like, oh, and she found her baby duckling, yay,
you know see tomorrow, everybody. This is like a nice,
happy story. It's cute. Look, maybe she gave him a
fake number. Look maybe it doesn't go to It doesn't matter.
It's a nice little exchange. Obviously, people think this this
woman that he's asking, you know, is an attractive young woman,
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and it's all I just this is like, it's like
Shakespearean comedy. It's like, this is the sort of thing
that in Western civilization we'd all sit around and smile
about it and be like, Oh, isn't that fun and killjoy.
Sports reporters think that it undermines the seriousness of in
the industry or something like are they just because nobody
watched the WNBA draft play?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (55:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (55:06):
What is the problem here?
Speaker 1 (55:07):
They're also making a ridiculous argument that this somehow equates
to them dating a player or an athlete. This is
not the same thing at all. Thing to do with
that not ni remotely close. And also it's just a
desperate desire to make yourself a victim something nice happens
on television. You know what, I already tweeted this, but
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this is not going to surprise you. I would if
I own the Braves, I would totally steer into this controversy.
I would have them go on a date at a game.
I would have a reporter assigned to cover the date
during the course of the during the course of the broadcast.
You know this because you've done this show long enough
for me. My response anytime somebody criticizes any anything that
(55:51):
I do is to do it even more aggressively, Like
some people are like, oh, you know what, I'll take
a step back. I'm like, we're going to go faster,
even faster into the controversy. And I would totally lean
into this because I think what it does, and this
was the basic foundation of OutKick is I think that
much of social media as BS, I think that a
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lot of what people say there is not representative of
the real world. And if you allow yourself to be
governed by what people say on social media, you end
up making moronic decisions for your company, for your brand,
for your personal life. Because in the analogy I've made
for a long time, and I think I'm being proven
more right every single day, is it would be like
(56:33):
buck back in the day, remember those funny mirrors when
you would go to a carnival and some of them
make you look super fat and some of them make
you look super skinny. If you tried to adjust your
diet based on a funhouse mirror, imagine how broken your
overall life would be. I think that's the story of media.
I think media used social media as a representative, honest,
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reflection of the real world and tried to adjust their
coverage as of a result, and I think they lit
themselves on fire. I think Trump saw it. Certainly, we
saw it in Sports without Kick and sanity's returning. But
every time we have one of these blow ups, I
look at the comments like you did, and I just
I feel like I'm living in a different world than
the reality of the day to day existence that I see.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
I it's still it is.
Speaker 3 (57:20):
It's one of those things where I didn't think we
would really talk about this because it would only be
you know, there's some people who, you know, they'll get
mad at you. If you're like, hey, you know what
can relax? You take a deep breath. They're like, oh,
I'm sorry, mister big deep breath.
Speaker 1 (57:33):
People got mad at you and you were like, hey,
you know what, you should do more of walk? And
people were like, oh, you're so such an elitist. Look
at you able to.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
See radio hosts with your walking daily m you know,
I swear I'm not kidding. There were a bunch of
people that were attacking me, like, sorry, some of us
have jobs that don't I'm like, don't allow you to
find any time in the day to go for a
walk anywhere? Okay, I mean I'm sorry you work in
like the Fox con iPhone factory. This is like me
and I I've said this to my boys, like, hey,
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you can do push ups anywhere. I understand everybody doesn't
have a fat, fancy gym membership, but you can do
push ups and sit ups pretty much anywhere. I mean,
people in jail sales get ripped because they just sit
around and do push ups and sit ups all day.
You can walk anywhere pretty much unless you either people
that want to be bitter about everything was my point,
and you'll find that on the internet. They just want
to be bitter. But people that make a living commenting
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on sports, instead of seeing this as a viral clip
and something that can bring everyone together a lot of
a lot plays point is it's not that a cup.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
A lot of them were attacking this twenty thirty people
with substantial audiences like this is unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (58:35):
How dare this be allowed to occur?
Speaker 1 (58:38):
As real people are so nuts?
Speaker 2 (58:43):
There's more totally nuts it is. It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
Anyway, if you're a single guy, go ask a pretty
girl for her phone number and hopefully you'll have kids
one day and that will be the foundation of your
or if.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
'or if you're a nice young woman and you find
a guy who's single and you think he's cute, ask him.
I promise you if he's not gonna be like that,
he's not going to be offended. You're not going to
be offended. I promise you.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Could like, Oh dare you? How dare you? Madam?
Speaker 1 (59:05):
One of the most intimidating things that any man ever
has to do is ask a pretty girl for her
phone number, her contact information, because it sets you up
for rejection. As everybody who's ever been to prom everybody
who's ever been to a dance, men have to ask overwhelmingly. Yeah,
if you're a pretty girl and you like a guy,
go for it. But I got my battleship. I got
my battleship sunk plenty of times before I got married.
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