April 18, 2025 • 60 mins
AG Letitia James Deflects
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into several pressing topics, starting with a discussion on immigration and crime. The hosts criticize Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen for meeting with a deported gang member from El Salvador, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, highlighting the broader issue of illegal immigration and its impact on American society. They reference a poll showing that 56% of Americans support deporting all illegal immigrants, emphasizing the public's stance on this contentious issue.
The conversation shifts to the COVID-19 pandemic, marking the five-year anniversary of the initial lockdowns. The hosts encourage listeners to visit covid.gov, pointing out the conflicting guidance on masks and the origins of the virus, which they claim leaked from a Chinese lab. They call for accountability for the misinformation spread during the pandemic, particularly targeting Dr. Fauci.
Next, the show addresses the legal troubles of New York Attorney General Letitia James. The hosts discuss allegations of mortgage fraud against her, questioning her integrity and calling for her resignation. They compare her situation to other high-profile cases of mortgage fraud, suggesting that political motivations are at play.
Actions speak louder than words
The hosts also touch on the divisive case of a 17-year-old stabbed to death, Austin Metcalf, at a track meet in Frisco, Texas by Karmelo Anthony. They criticize the defense team's narrative and the public's reaction, highlighting the racial tensions surrounding the case. The discussion underscores the broader societal issues of race and justice.
Mike Gallagher and the Covid reckoning
Former Congressman Mike Gallagher, now the head of defense at Palantir, joined Clay and Buck to discuss covid accountability and the lab leak cover-up. Gallagher also talks about the technological advancements in defense and the role of American companies in supporting the military. He emphasizes the need for a diverse ecosystem of defense technology companies to maintain the United States' strategic edge. Gallagher also touches on the cultural and political challenges facing America, advocating for a return to common sense and truth in public discourse.
Buck's great Rush story
A special anniversary, marking 11 years since Buck Sexton first filled in for Rush Limbaugh. Buck shares a personal story about the challenges he faced that day, including losing his voice and receiving a last-minute steroid shot to perform on air. This nostalgic segment highlights the significance of that moment in Buck's career and the support from his family. His mom was his hero that fateful day and enlisted in the help of a special doctor that works with Opera singers.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition. Good Friday addition. I know a
lot of you may have the day off. I know
all my kids do. So if you hear screaming yelling
in the background, I promise they're fine. They're probably just
playing video games downstairs. We've got a lot to dive into.
But one of my favorite, well, couple of things that
(00:21):
are out there. First, this idiot Maryland senator has been
able to meet with the wife beating the potentially human trafficking,
the gang member, the illegal immigrant from l Salvador who
has been returned to El Salvador. I can't believe this
is the real resistance that Democrats are mustering. We talked
(00:42):
about yesterday, fifty six percent of Americans are in favor
of all illegals being deported. What do you think, just
off the top of here, Buck ninety ten, if you
told people, Hey, this guy from El Salvador who has
clear gang affiliation with MS thirteen, a very violent El
Salvadoran gang. He has been accused credibly by his own
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wife of beating her on multiple occasions and the details
are not pretty. In the Maryland court proceeding related to that.
He was pulled over in the state of Tennessee suspected
of human trafficking. The Tennessee State Highway Patrol contacted the FBI,
and the FBI said, just let him go. During Joe
Biden's era of no punishment for anyone who illegally entered
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the country, and we know that he illegally entered the country,
do you think ten percent of Americans consider him to
be a worthy cause for a sitting United States Senator
to obsess with or for an American political party to
decide is a foundational issue for their representatives to be
focused on.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I think that it's a little higher than that, but
it's a very clear minority. I would guess it's more
like twenty eight to twenty five percent, because about twenty
percent of the country is politically insane and could go
through the because it's about that. Also, even on the
you know, eighteen year old boys should be able to
play against eighteen year old girls if they say they're
trends in sports. I mean, you look at some of
(02:08):
these issues, Clay, and we're dealing with a country that's
twenty percent wacko. I would say, yeah, that's my general.
So so it's it's somewhere around there. I would just
throw into the mix here. You know, Clay, there's there's
no way that they're going to easily change their minds
on how they're going to approach Trump with any of this.
(02:30):
But he's not giving them a lot to work with. Yeah, right,
He's not doing things that would be easy for a
rational political party to oppose.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And you know, the one place that they thought they
were getting some traction was on tariffs. Okay, he did
a ninety day pause, and he's negotiating. Let's see, markets
have stabilized, let's see, right, so that people won't get
people can't get that freaked out about it because that's
still very much in progress. And at the end of it,
I think he may he may have some really great
deals done. So they've decided to go with this. And
(03:04):
while I agree with you it's not a strong hand
they are playing, I don't know what other hand.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They have to play right now.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What are they gonna say, kick the borders wide open again,
we want all the illegals coming in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
We will talk about that a little bit more. I
also encourage you, if you are still angry about COVID,
as we are in the five year anniversary of fifteen days,
I think to stop the spread.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Basically, right, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A little bit past that, but go right now on
your phones to COVID dot gov. The White House has
taken over covid dot gov and there, Buck are all
sorts of things on that website, including, among others, masks.
Don't do anything to stop the spread. There was all
(03:52):
sorts of conflicting guidance. This leaked from a Chinese lab.
Doctor Fauci was involved in the cover up.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
This is a reckoning for those of us out there
that have wanted a reckoning for all the lies we
were told during COVID. Covid dot gov. Check it out
and make sure that you do not miss it.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Today.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It is a incredible good Friday for those of us
out there who have been demanding this reckoning. Speaking of reckonings, though, Buck,
our good friend Leticia James, just to confirm staff she
has still not accepted our offer to come on. I
am assuming and we have not gotten any word from
Kathy Hokel. I'm assuming either or Andrew Cuomo. But they
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have the opportunity to come on and talk about this.
She says, Remember to refresh New York Attorney General Leticia James,
who said no one is above the law and no
one should be able to lie on a mortgage application
to get favorable treatment.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
These were her own words, not mine.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
She now says that despite the fact that she has
been caught lying on her mortgage applications, this is just
President Trump's revenge tour. She has spoken out about the
lies and the fraud that she has committed, and she
says this is just about President Trump. Buck, you predicted this.
But let's listen to cut four.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Let me just say two all New Yorkers and to
all Americans, the allegations are baseless. The allegations are nothing
more than a revenge tour. And as you mentioned, my
office was successful in securing a four hundred and fifty
four million dollar judgment against Donald Trump and others for
exaggerating the value of his assets, engaged in a patent
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and practice of fraud, and the interest is accruing each
and every day while the case is on appeal in
the First Department. It's important that individuals know that this
is nothing more than the continuation of the tour he
went after law firms, universities, immigrants, women, thousands of federal
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employees right now are unemployed. Our government is in chaos
and in disarray, Medicaid, social Security.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, let's go ahead and cut her off here. So buck,
am I missing it? Or did she explain anything about
why she lied on her mortgage claim in that in
that litany that we played for you, she's going going all.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In on the Clay Davis maneuver here from the wire, which, again,
for those of you haven't seen it, a black politician
in Baltimore Democrat is caught red handed, red handed with
a mortgage fraud and he just gets up on the
stand and is like, this is racism. I've done so
much for my community, has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, just figure and he gets off right.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's it's that's the move that she's pulling here, except
in this case she's just leaning in on the anti
Trump thing, not the this is you know, racist persecution. Yes,
she's saying that this is all about going after Trump. No,
it's actually all about whether you committed mortgage fraud. And
she don't speak to it, but I will say this,
if you haven't committed, you know, I get how this
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gang goes, you know, to Clay, if you haven't committed
mortgage fraud, I mean, when you say the allegations are baseless,
why don't you just say I didn't do this thing?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I feel like she's speaking about this in a very
loyally way that doesn't address did you do it?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well? This is also the problem she's in.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'll play cut six here in a moment, but the
problem she's in, as we told you, this isn't a
complicated case, right. A lot of allegations of impropriety are
really complicated. They kind of make your eyes roll back
into your head. Most of you, at some point in time,
either have or will fill out a mortgage application. It
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is not believable to me that the chief legal officer,
a highly trained lawyer of New York, would accidentally click
that her primary residence is in Virginia, or would accidentally
say that she's married to her dad, both of which
work in her favor to lower the rate of mortgage
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that she might otherwise have to pay.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I would also add to that, Clay, you and I
have bought houses. A lot of people listening, I'd say
probably most of the people listening have bought a house.
At some point in time you have conversations with your lender.
This isn't just This isn't like checking a box when
you're in a hurry at Walmart to you know, return
something and oh, I clicked the wrong thing. This is
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a major This is the largest purchase that ninety nine
percent of people in the country makes a home, all right,
And unless you're getting like a Bezos yacht. And this
is a situation where she would have had conversations with
her lender about whether this is an investment property or
a primary residence.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We've gone through this, so there's so many way there
is no defense.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's no defense because it's not possible. She would know
that she got a preferential rate. She would know what
the status of this home is. I own investment properties
and I own my home. There's no way you could
make this mistake the way she has an error, right,
It's not possible. And it's again, I think it's so key.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
The Virginia property, in particular, she can't have lived there
as her primary residence because legally she is required to
live in the state of New York because she is
New York's Attorney General. But make no mistake her only
defense is to claim Donald Trump or hey, this is sexism,
this is racism. Here's cut six. She says people are
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harassing her relatives in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is also I know you said she spoke loyally,
but this is also an admission in some ways that
people other than her are living in her primary residence
in a different state.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Cut six.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I was under the impression by all of this that
what they were really looking for is what they got,
which is a headline saying, you know, James is under
a criminal investigation.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Is that pretty much what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, that's what they got. That's what they got. And
it's unfortunate that you have some of these right wing
conservative individuals who are camped out in front of my
home and in front of the homes of my relatives
in Virginia, harassing them each and every day. And it's
unfortunate knocking on the doors of my neighbors and the
neighbors of my relatives in the state of Virginia.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
And it is.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Nothing more than a headline, nothing more than again, retaliation
against all of the actions that I have taken successfully
against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, okay, but again yeah, sorry, are. We're both very
fired up, and I don't want to ever cross talk play.
I just clay play. First of all, she wasn't successful
in so far as he's president now, and the whole
game was to destroy important Yeah, right, I think that's
kind of a big deal, right, She's like, I was
so sixsed.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Actually not so much. He won. But but beyond that, the.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Way that she's talking about this, it's she's not addressing
any of the things because I think she knows the
information is going to come out that she did the thing,
and then she's just going to say it doesn't matter.
You should nullify. You know, this is gonna be the
implicit argument you should nullify mortgage fraud statutes because I'm
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anti I'm a I'm an anti Trump warrior for the Democrats,
and that's going to be the whole, the whole thing.
This is why I think they need to bring state
and federal charges in multiple jurisdictions, because you don't know
what the jury pool you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't know what Norfolk looks like. I do know
New York City. There may be a juror that will
sit on that trial and say I don't care that
she dead delightslied, but I will not convict her.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I just actually spent for the first time I was
in and we've got a great station in Norfolk. I
was there for the first time recently when I was
training with DJ Shipley at GBRS with my brothers, we
overnighted in Norfolk. I'm just it's a Navy town, but
it's a heavily Democrat town. It's about forty percent I
believe African American heavily Democrat town. So you know, if
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you look into how this is going to go, she
may be able to run the political game essentially in
both jurisdictions that well, it all depends who's on the jury,
right and this all Surrey selection is going to be everything.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
If you bring charges, I don't think you could stay
and be the Attorney General of New York if you're
facing felony charges in the State of New York. I
can't imagine. This is why we've reached out to Kathy Hokel,
who so far has stayed fairly quiet. I don't understand
how you could be the chief law enforcement officer of
the State of New York and be facing felony charges
(12:51):
for lying on your mortgage applications. I think she would
have to resign, Yes, I think that just find the charges.
I think that's true. So there's probably frantic behind the scenes.
As we discussed. The power to prosecute is the power
to destroy. Oh, it doesn't matter even if you win,
or if you're innocent or anything else, the decision to prosecute.
I would just add this though, Clay, into our discussion
(13:11):
about this. We already saw.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
With Hunter Biden that when you have a Democrat who
is important to the Democrat apparatus, they can be flagrantly
guilty of the clearest felony statutory violations and somehow they'll
get away with it. So that was the game that
she was playing, right, Hunter Biden didn't pay taxes, hid money,
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money laundering, you know, a whole bunch of things. You
get not a day, not a day in prison, everybody,
not one day. Now. Difference is you don't have a
Democrat president to bail out to James if this ghest federal.
But I think she's certainly relying on the state charges
to evaporate very very suddenly. So this is this is
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pyat wasn't the didn't Carolyn guys check this for me.
The prosecutor in Baltimore who was very high profile for
a while, Marilynd Moseby. Didn't she go away for mortgage
fraud or wasn't there a mortgage fraud issue?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think that's the right one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think guys checked that one for me, because this
would just be remarkable if I'm pulling this out of
the memory bank, and I'm correct. It's Friday, so I
might be off, but we'll see, and we're gonna take
your calls on this one. I'm also just gonna get
this out of the way right away.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Clay.
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
But unfortunately, I think this story is going to continue
to grow, and it's got a really nasty, divisive tone
to it. But I want to make sure that we
are keeping you informed on it. In Frisco, Texas, which
is I believe north of Dallas, Texas, we had a
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seventeen year old kid stabbed to death at a track meet.
And the kid that was stabbed to death at the
track meet was it appears essentially one hundred percent innocent.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Uh and.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Kid's name was Austin Metcalf. And yesterday Carmelo Anthony's legal
defense slash advising team decided that they needed to have
a press conference. Carmelo Anthony has admitted to stabbing this
other seventeen year old kid to death again at the
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track meet. His family has since raised nearly five hundred
thousand dollars. They have moved into a nine hundred thousand
dollars mansion. There are reports that they have bought a
new car as well, and they now are saying we
are the victims. This was the beginning of the press conference.
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The father of the young man who was killed came
to the press conference and the spokesperson started off. They
called police on him. He's also been swatted. But they
started off the press conference by saying, it's disrespectful for
the dad of the dad of the killed young man
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to decide to show up at this press conference. I
just want you guys to be aware of what's going
on here. This has cut thirty All.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I'm going to say so it don't be asked later,
is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the
character who is not invited. He knows that it's inappropriate
to be near this family.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
But he did it.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words. Okay.
What he has failed into is the political operatives that
want to make this thing a political thing of hate, get.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Bigotry and get racism.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
We have conservative operatives that have been posting none stop
about this case.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I've boggled beyond belief. Let me give you the name
by the way of this guy because he sounds like
an unbelievable moron. The spokesperson's name is Dominique Alexander. That's
not the attorney, I don't believe. I think it's a spokesperson.
But buck to start off by saying, well, your character's
in question because you're the dad of the murdered kid
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and you show up at the press cup, I can't
believe this is real.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, well this is.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Everyone who is paying attention to this case is seeing
something quite clearly. There is bigotry and racism involved, but
it is from black people against white people. Yeah, that
is what is going on. And you can look at
the comments being written all over the GoFundMe or however
they're raising the money. You can look at the racial
animist that is on display, and that is actually very
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much going from some members. I think it's a very
small minority, but some members of the black community who
have decided to become involved in this case, to give money,
to give support. It's really just about showing their disdain
and animis for white people, and it's out in the open.
I don't know how else to describe it other than
just to tell you what is going on here. They
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are treating this as though it's some kind of vengeance
for previous wrongs, that this young man who was just
murdered in the arms of his brother and in front
of his father, in front of all their high school classmates.
Somehow this is writing a historical wrong. I mean, this
is demonic stuff. This is stuff of the demon that
you are seeing here in terms of the mentality, the immorality,
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and if they want to make this into an OJ thing,
they being this spokesperson and some of the other kind
of race hustlers who are around this, and then people
who are rallying behind this kid, it's going to be
really bad for everybody, and it's going to be really
bad for the country. The facts of this case look
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very clear that this was a grotesque over reaction from
a young man that led him to murder somebody that
he had no business pulling a knife on or doing
anything like this in the first place, and he should
pay his debt to society and that means a very
long prison sentence. I do not see this as the
facts are not in dispute over what happened. The self
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defense claim and had Tip Matt Walsher pointing this out.
This kid when the police arrives, like, oh, well, do
you think I could claim self defense? Let me tell
you something. If you pull a gun or a knife
and you use it in self defense, you think you're
doing self defense right away. You don't think about this
after the fact, you're like, maybe I could try to
convince people that this was self defense.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
There's no other.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Defense, by the way, because in cold blood he stabbed
this kid. By the way, cut thirty two. This spokesperson
says the Carmelo Anthony case reminds us of the black
struggle in America.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
This is what he said. Listen to this and that
is your constitution, right.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
It's people out here reminding us of the black struggle
in America.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The black struggle in America is to kill a kid
at a track meet when the kid is unarmed and
there's no danger whatsoever. Again, I hate that this is
going to happen, but this has the potential to be
a truly nasty story in Texas. The fact that Buck
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they're living in a nine hundred thousand dollars gated community house.
Now they have bought a new car with the money
that's being donated to them. They let this killer the
seventeen year old out on a massively reduced bail from
one million down to two hundred and fifty thousand, which
means they only have to post twenty five thousand dollars.
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And if you go look at the comments in the
four hundred plus thousand dollars that this family has raised,
some of the most vile race comments you can possibly
imagine are being posted as people are posting their donations. Now,
if if this were a white kid that had stabbed
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a black kid to death, if his bail had been.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Reduced from a million to two hundred and.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Fifty thousand dollars, if the family had moved into a
gated community nine hundred thousand dollar house, if they had
bought a brand new car, and if they were arguing
this is the struggle of being white in America, this
would be the number one story in America. If the
comments on the four hundred thousand dollars fundraiser were all
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as racist in pro white sentiment and anti black sentiment
as they are pro black and anti white in the
favor of this Carmelo Anthony individual, it would be the
number one story in America, and it would be a
sign of how white supremacy has taken over the country
in the Trump era. This is how it would be covered.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, imagine for a second to put this into I
think a context that really also shows how grotesque what's
going on is a lot of you will remember this.
Back in South Carolina, there was a shooting in twenty
fifteen of a man named Walter Scott. He was shot
and killed, and there's video, very clear video, broad daylight.
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He is running away from a cop and the cop
draws down and shoots him at about twenty five yards
in the back and kills him as he's running away.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That is absolutely murder.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That is absolutely not in any rules of engagement or
self defense or force escalation regulations. And that officer ended
up going away for I think it was murder. I
can't remember what the sentence was, but imagine for a
second clay of when that happened, that video came out
and the facts were not on dispute. All of a sudden,
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there was this whole push to raise money for the
officer who shot this black guy and the yea and
killed him for no reason, and and that there were
all these all these spokesmen coming forward talking about that
the challenge of this white officer's life and how he
You know, this shows how how tough it is on
the job, and you would say, what the heck.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Is wrong with these people?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What is going on here that's happening right now with
this guy? Uh Carmelo Anthony in Texas. You have people
that are coming forward to really just celebrate them, celebrate
the murder and back up the murder of a young
white guy who did nothing to deserve being killed at all.
I don't know how it's it's very straightforward.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I've noticed.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Have you seen much coverage of this from like the
New York Times, Washington Post? I was looking for it.
I feel like they're not getting deep into this story yet,
am I not?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Something not right?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
No, not only that buck remember when they started tracking
down everybody who donated to Kyle Rittenhouse for his defense fund?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yes, I mean some.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I remember some guy like donated fifty bucks and a
report showed up at their door. Do you remember this
story and outed them and did a full report on hey,
why are you donating this to this this defense fund?
Look at some of the comments that are being made.
To my knowledge, nobody's covering any of the people that
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are donating to the defense Fund. Now, I'm not saying
that I think that that was a fair story in
the first place. I think if you donate fifty dollars
to some charity event, I don't think the Washington Post
should show up at your door knocking on it. But
they did that to Kyle Rittenhouse's donors, and I think
one of the guys got fired in Utah. I remember, correctly,
we're recalling old stories. Let's see if I can nail
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that story too, like Buck did earlier with Marilyn Moseby.
But I remember just being in disbelief that you could
donate to a charitable cause in some way and a
reporter could show up at your doorstep asking why did
you donate fifty.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Fifty dollars A time about fifty thousand dollars to Kyle
Rittenhouse's defense Fund was worthy of you having a story
written about you and you being tracked down by a
reporter to answer for why you gave fifty dollars to
his self defense fund.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's it's remarkable, though, that this is this is happening,
and that you're not even you're not seeing any Democrat,
anybody with any standing in the Democrat or the black
community come forward to say, guys, this is not this
is not what we should be doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
What are you you know?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, is he entitled to a defense? Yes, of course
he's in toited legal defense. Is he entitled to all
the rights of the accused? Yes, he's in title all
the rights of the accused. Should you be, you know,
publicly attacking the father of the deceased and giving this
kid's family a million dollar house to live in, and
all raising money and writing things online about how the
white kid deserved it. That's what's going on. That's the
(27:54):
problem that we are seeing. That's what everyone, I think
is is reacting to. And it is very interesting. I
wanted to check with you because I did a couple
of searches. New York Times, Washington Post not really touching
this because I think I think that some of their reporters,
and first of all, they're not as powerful as they
used to be. They can't withstand the screwtin either way
they used to. I think they realized, Clay, you have
a New York Times editorial, you know that's that's playing
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this whole game of oh, we just need to raise
money so that he has a good legal defense and
everything else, they will get absolutely annihilated in public. They
can't defend this. This story.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
In Utah, they did an investigation into a Utah paramedic
who donated ten dollars to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
They showed up at his house to ask him why
he was doing it. And credit to our team for
finding it. Utah reporter tracking down a guy who donated
ten dollars.
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Speaker 2 (30:56):
All right, welcome back into Clay Ann Buck. We are
joined now by Mike Gallagh. He is head of defense
at Palentier. He's got a really interesting piece in the
Wall Street Journal Time for Accountability on the COVID lab
leak cover up. Mike, appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
It's an honor to be with you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Let's just jump into it. You got into this in
your piece. What does accountability look like? What does the
public need to know? What steps have to be taken
now when it comes to the lab leak cover up?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I see I love that there's a picture.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Of Fauci touching a little fake virus in your op ed.
He's the absolute worst. What needs to happen.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Well, I can't claim credit for the artwork that comes
with these op eds. I just do the words, but
it was quite nice to me. It just starts with
the basic step of complete declassification of relevant intelligence. If
you remember, we actually passed the law when I was
in Congress requiring that the Biden administration do just that,
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but they didn't comply with the law. When they finally
did an investigation into the origins of COVID, it was
not serious. What came out was heavily redacted. It was
a regurgitation of the prevailing consensus. And so there's been
no accountability for our own scientific establishment which was profoundly corrupted.
Our own intelligence community was parroting the corrupted consensus of
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the scientists, and even the authors of the proximal Origins article,
which spread a lot of this misinformation, have not been
held accountable.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
If the opposite has happened.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
They continue to get awards, Fauci continues to be lauded,
and we have centers named after Fauci. And without that
basic step of accountability, people just aren't going to trust
the government. They're not going to trust the health institutions,
the scientific institutions, and therefore we're less prepared to prevent
that future pandemic. So I think accountability starts with getting
the information out there, even if it's super embarrassing too.
(32:54):
The government agencies that allowed tax dayer dollars to be fundled,
funneled your corrupt nonprofits like the Eco Health Alliance and
wind their way into the hands of the Muhan.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Institute of Virology.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
There's been no accountability thus far.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's why I read your piece and I appreciate you
coming on with us. I know how busy you are
in your new job, and we'll talk about that maybe
in a moment. But Trump for people who do not know,
I encourage you to go to COVID dot gov today
and look at everything that's being laid out there. We're
five years after COVID, and Buck and I focus on
(33:31):
this a lot because we're kind of history nerds, and
one of the good things about time passing is over time,
history I like to think becomes more honest about what
really transpired. Are you optimistic that twenty forty years from
now will get a more honest version of what happened?
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And the failures of this nation when it comes to
responding to COVID in generations ahead, or do you think
the same people that are trying to stop us now
will continue to fight for generations into the future to
avoid acknowledging how wrong they were.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Well, I would only say I don't think we have twenty,
let alone forty years right. We had a report a
few months ago that in February, researchers that the will
had Incevivirology had experimented with a new bat coronavirus that
looked a lot similar to COVID nineteen. What you learn
is you sort of dig into the nature of what
happened in Muhan, but lab accidents more broadly is that
(34:29):
these are actually more common than we realize, and so
part of the push for accountability is based on the
idea that the risks of a pandemic like the one
we went through with COVID nineteen or with one that
could be far worse if a future virus were just
as pathenogenic or more lethal. Rather, those risks have not
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gone down. We haven't learned any lessons, and so we
need accountability on a year timeline, not a twenty year
time which is why I was very glad to see
that Resident Trump launched his website. I would encourage all
Americans to go to the website right now and really
lays out five basic common sense truths that the government
heretofore is not acknowledged. One, the virus possessed biological characteristics
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that you couldn't find in nature. To all the data
suggests it's stemmed from a single introduction into humans, not
multiple spillovers like previous pandemics. Three, that the Wuhan Institute
had conducted gain to function research.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
At an adequate safety levels.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Or that the researchers at the Wuhan It's too fell
ill with COVID months before the virus was allegedly discovered
at a web market. And finally, after all these years,
there's no scientific evidence of a natural origin that has surfaced.
That alone has done more to advance the case of
accountability than under four years of President Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
So we need to press the gas.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
We need to hold our own agencies accountable, and again
we need to declassify all the relevant information.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Mike, I wanted to pivot a little bit here and
lean into another area of expertise, something you're dealing with
day in and day out now as head of Defense
at Palenteer Technologies. I think one of the lessons that
anybody paying attention to what's going on over in Ukraine
with Russia, and especially if they're looking ahead at the
possibility at some point in the future of some kind
(36:17):
of hot conflict with China, is technology is going to
be absolutely critical. We're looking at drones, We're looking at
a future of telecommunications and high speed computing making decisions
on the battlefield. That is truly the stuff of sci
fi from not long ago, and it's it's becoming reality
now every day. But with that said, I know Palenteers
(36:39):
involved in the high tech edge of things with defense.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
It wasn't long.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Ago where Google was upset. There was like an uprising
at Google over the prospect of doing anything that helped
the United States Pentagon right, like as if Silicon Valley
was its own little fiefdom that did not actually become
or was not actually a part of the United States.
Do you feel like that is changing now? Do you
(37:04):
feel like there's an understanding that companies that are US based,
that employ Americans have a role in defense and that
means that they should take a patriotic position on Yeah,
we will work with the United States Pentagon.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
I think it is changing.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
I mean Google has actually recently changed its position. And
if you remember at the time, the reason so many
of us got upset when Google abandoned Project mayven is
they were simultaneously trying to work with China AI exactly
an AI center in Beijing. It was subsequently revealed there
was a project that they did abandon, but a project
they were exploring to center internet search in China.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So the message was, well.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
We're cool working with a genocidal communist regime, but not
with the American military, because the American military occasionally has
to do things like kill Falafe Jiahatis in order.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
To keep America safe.
Speaker 10 (37:55):
And so into the brief step Talenteer, which was unapologetic
in its belief that America is the greatest country in
the history of the world, that we should have the
most lethal military in the world, and that some folks,
be they terrorists.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Or other bad guys, need to be killed occasionally.
Speaker 10 (38:12):
And I do think what we're seeing on the battlefield
in Ukraine is forcing people to re examine their previously
held assumptions. There's a lot of capital in the venture
capital community that is trying to flow into defense technology companies.
And finally, I would say not to talk to my
own book. But when you have a company like Talent
that spent two decades trying to survive the so called
Valley of Death because it isn't easy for a defense
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technology company to succeed because the Pentagon can be a
difficult customer, it proves to other companies that are trying
to do the same that.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
It's possible to survive.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
It's possible to go public, it's possible to have a
mission focused company, and that also is successful financially, which
is why we founded something called the First Breakfast Initiative,
which is designed to make it easier for non traditional
defense technology companies to serve and thrive because we need more. Right,
we can't just have five primes that control everything. We
(39:05):
need the primes to survive. They're always going to be there,
but we need a more diverse ecosystem of defense technology companies.
If we are going to have a hope of deterring
China from invading Taiwan, as well as simultaneously going after
terrorists in the Middle East and the other threat actors,
we have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
What you just said I think is important and also
to me connects with your editorial in the Wall Street Journal,
which is about the importance of truth and the commitments
of fact. When you see so much of what's going
on in America today and around the world, whether it's
celebrating the United Healthcare CEOs killer, whether it is down
in Frisco, Texas, Carmelo Anthony stabs a seventeen year old
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in the heart and raises four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
As you just mentioned, so many of.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
These elite institutions out there had people marching in favor
of the perpetrators of October seventh. Why are we having
such a different This is a big philosophical question, But
why do you think we're having such a challenge, especially
going into the Holy week of good and evil recognizing
them and being willing to stand on the side of good.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Well, I do think, you know, to really take it,
make it biblical, and maybe betray my Catholic perspective. I
do think as religion has retreated in.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Terms of its role in American.
Speaker 10 (40:25):
Life, people have sought out other gods and in some ways,
politics or you know, a political tribe can become a
cult and still kind of a God shaped hole in
people's hearts. And I think correspondingly, there's also this epistemological
crisis that we have in America where people no longer
trust any sources of information, right, Like, we have this.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Very balkanized media landscape.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Where nobody really knows where to go to get truth,
and the risk of that is people can kind of
opt in to whatever reality they just want to live in,
and it's very hard to have a coherent conversation based
on facts, based on logic. As a result that being said,
you know, as a product of representing northeast Wisconsin, where
we're going to host the NFL Draft here shortly by
(41:11):
the way, everybody, I'm very excited. It's a huge, huge
thing for Green Bay, Wisconsin, a huge thing.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:23):
I think most people are just common sense, right. There
was this revolution of common sense that President Trump talked about.
I mean, people were afraid initially to speak their minds,
you know, particularly in COVID. But people started to see
what was happening to our kids with schools being shut down,
wasp happened to our loved ones who were being locked up,
and they thought, this doesn't make any sense. I do
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have this abiding faith in the common sense of the
American people. Right now, they're demanding change and reform in
the basic institutions of government. I think Trump is an
instrument for that that change. It can be very disruptive
at times, that's what the American people want. So we
have to get back to that at the end of
the day. Like we have to realize, of course America's
not perfect, but we're the good guys, right we are
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the greatest country in human history. That comes with a
great responsibility. But the rest of the world is looking
to us for leadership to leave with courage. If you
remember when China took over Hong Kong and hundreds of
thousands of people came out into the streets to protest,
what were they waving. They were waving American flags, right.
They were looking to us as an example for a
(42:26):
free society, and that's something we all have a duty
to maintain.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Well said, have a good Holy week and weekend, and
we'll talk to you again, hopefully soon. Encourage people to
go check out that editorial in the Wall Street Journal.
Hey guys, it's Mike Gallagher, now inside of Defense Universe,
but previously Green Bay Wisconsin Congressman. And yes, the NFL
draft coming up soon, and he just talked about good
(42:50):
and evil.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
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Speaker 2 (44:02):
And it's something of a special anniversary. In fact, one
of our listeners, Steve from Pittsburgh, who listens on WHLO
in akron, he sent in this talk back as a
helpful reminder for what the anniversary is.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Play d D.
Speaker 13 (44:20):
Hey guys, this is Steve from Pittsburgh, PA listening to
whlo am six forty a acron. Got a question for you, Buck.
It was eleven years ago today that you made your
debut behind the Golden EIB microphoonte would like and it
was good Friday too. Would like to know your thoughts
recollections from that day. How did it come about? Anything
(44:43):
like that you might want to share to us with
us be really interesting.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
First of all, play incredible memory from this guy because
he is not a cousin or an uncle of mine.
I did not put him up to this. I know
that's a pretty wild recall.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
This guy's got it's ridiculous love affair here that he
would remember. But credit to him eleven years. Eleven years,
not even like it was ten or five. It's like,
you know, eleven's kind of a no offense to anybody
celebrating their eleventh wedding anniversary. But usually it's not like, oh,
my goodness, but yes, this is impressive, So Steve, I
(45:19):
have yes, it was eleven years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I sat at the Golden EIB Mike, a young buck,
thirty thirty. Gosh, hold am I thirty two years old?
I was either the youngest or maybe Hannity. I don't know, guys,
we got to check on this was Hannity the youngest
to ever stated at the EIB Mike at that time?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Or is it me?
Speaker 2 (45:36):
I think we're within a year of each other. So
I don't know who gets the uh who gets the
youngest title? But you want to know what it was like,
I'll tell you about what it was like. First of all,
the team pulled this when they saw this talk back,
they pulled this up. This was I don't even know
what this is gonna sound like, but well, let's just
say here's what it was like years ago. Cut twenty five.
Filling in for Rush.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
And now filling in for Rush Limbaugh he's a national
security editor for the Blaze of Formers, CIA officer who
served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's also worked as
a counter terrorism specialist for the New York Police Department.
Ladies and gentlemen, here's Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Buck Sexton here filling in for Rush Limbaugh today. I'm
also just to bring you up to speed the national
security editor of the Blaze dot Com. I'm fighting a
tiny bit of a cold, but couldn't pass up this
opportunity to have a chance to speak to all of you.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
You sound so young, You sell so incredibly young. I was.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I was very young, but beyond that, So this is
you asked what it was like fast forward. I gave
Russia's team reached out. I had filled in for Glenn Clay.
I had filled in for.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Hold on one joke, Before you tell your serious story,
producer Greg says a cold.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
He sounds like he's going through puberty.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
So wow, producer Greg at two Greg, right right after
the Rangers game.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Greg, really really?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Oh, I see right now you can tell your serious story.
But I wanted to Greg deliver a shot across the
bow to start, so well, let me let me just
say this, this is all, this is all true.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And if my mom's listening, she's gonna have flashbacks because
I had been at the Blaze only for a couple
of years. At this point, I'd filled in for Glenn,
and then I filled in for Sean Hannity and then
Rush's team. Sure enough, they said we're gonna let you
sit at the at the Golden Mic, and I was,
you know, this was a huge break in my career.
I was incredibly excited, and I came down the week
(47:37):
of it. I came down with a cold, and I
remember thinking, Okay, this will be fine because all the
cold will be bad on the Monday Tuesday, but by
Friday I should be okay. What I didn't realize is
that sometimes if you're going to get leeryingitis, it happens
toward the end of the cold, or rather, you know,
mid to end of the cold, because your vocal cords
get so inflamed and dried out from the virus clay.
(48:00):
The day before I had that show, I had the
only time in my life this has happened to me.
I could not speak at all. I had no voice whatsoever.
And that sounds obviously like I'm gonna wimp out of this,
so I can't. I don't know what I'm gonna do,
so I'm scrambling. I'm drinking tea. I'm doing all this
sort of stuff and God bless her. I call my mom.
(48:21):
I say, Mom, I got a fill in for Rush tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh, by the way, I was.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Like, ah that, I mean I had nothing, no voice, nothing.
And she finds she's just scrambling. We're doing online research.
She finds somebody who is the person the doctor in
New York who opera singers go to when it's opera
night and they have Oh and there's something that she
can do. And so my mom and this is all
(48:45):
my mom, I gotta say. My mom calls this doctor
who says, I'm not open tomorrow. I'm going to the Hamptons.
My mom says, my son is filling in for the
biggest radio show in the country. I guess in the world.
I don't know if there's a bigger show in China,
but you know, bigger show in the world. Can you
please just help him, like whatever you can do. She goes,
all right, the day of I go in there, and
(49:06):
I go in there ten o'clock in the morning. She
looks at my vocal cords. It's doctor Coravin. She looks
at my vocal cords, Clay, and she goes, you you
are you are cooked? There's no chance you're going to
be able to do this show. The only option is
I'm going to give you a steroid shot. The steroid
shot will bring the inflammation of your vocal cords down,
but it will only last three to four hours. Oh wow.
(49:30):
So it's like ten thirty in the morning the day
of the show. And you know, she didn't she didn't know,
she didn't know doing the show. She didn't know what time.
I'm like, that actually will work? Can you give me
the shot late? How can we do it? And so
that I started out that show, I said I had
a bit of a cold. I was shaking that my
voice the whole time was going to just disappear and
I would sound like a huge, a huge wimp. And
(49:50):
at the by the end of the show, by the way,
the voice was pretty much gone. And that night I
couldn't speak again. So that was the whole if you're wondering,
And for days at the anxiety level for day after
as I was just like shaking it home, like, oh
my god, I was so scared my voice.
Speaker 8 (50:04):
Was gonna go.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
But it went well enough they had me back. You know,
here we are okay. So I want to give. So,
first of all, that's great. The doctor was there and
she was willing to do this. Did your mom think
on the spot about the idea of opera singers and
how they were treated? I actually am curious house. I mean,
that's a brilliant idea that she would have had, because
(50:25):
we make a living based on being able to talk.
But I wouldn't even have thought. I mean, first of all,
and you're in New York City, I know, Nashville. I
would have been totally in trouble because I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
My mom loves you know, my mom was she was
in the near she was in La at the American
Ballet Theater, and so she loves classical music and she
has friends in the opera in New York and everything,
so she knows that world a bit. But it was
totally her idea, and I even thought about it. That's
Mom saving the day. Totally saved the day, and the doctor.
(50:55):
The doctor looked at me, she was like, she's like,
your vote you have. She actually said, if I tried
to push through without the steroid, you can do permanent
damage because you can create scar tissue because of all
the inflammation in your vocal box. So this was just
at all all the stars alive. But people ask, yeah,
my eleven day. I have never been nervous doing anything
in media in my life before or since.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
That was the only.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Time and by far the biggest time I was ever nervous. Yes,
being behind the Golden EIB Mike when you know Rush
was having his six hundred and eighty stations or whatever
it was. But Clay, the whole time I've come back
from break, I was like, I can still talk. Okay,
we got one more segment. We got one more segment.
I told the team.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Ali, dude, Ali, you remember you were there.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So was Mikey just running behind the mic.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
I do remember, and I remember meeting you that day. Buck,
I would have had no idea you were cool as
a cucumber.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I was shaken like a leaf. I was shaking like
a leaf. So yeah, that was I mean, Clay, you're
the same. I can tell you the same thing. Even
with the first time I did TV, Like the first
time I was on cable news, I was like, I
was cia baby, cool as a cucumber, Like this isn't
gonna phase me. This was when I was like, oh
my god, oh my god, Oh my god. So I
remember it trusts me eleven years ago in Mom, you
are the greatest mom, but also a genius on the spot.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like even to think, okay,
who would be able to treat this, who would be
able to figure out a way to make this happen?
Because this is always an issue for singers, right, I know.
I think I came on the air and talked about
the fact that I went to watch Adele and some
of you were like, well, no, it was incredible, right,
she was amazing in Caesar's but then she's had to
(52:37):
cancel a ton of her performances because of vocal fold
related issues. And obviously, when you are an incredible talent
like that, something as simple as a cold can throw
everything into an uproar. So I wouldn't have even thought
about that. But credit to your mom, because you probably
got how many doctors like that are there in the
(52:59):
name ten.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Veryigh that specialized that specialized in this, because most people
would just say, look, you got a cold, like go
home from war, like you know, it's just don't talk
as much as you don'tirely will fine, It's it's not
a major medical issue unless you make a living and
have a performance of some kind with your voice. But yeah,
I like to tell people on such a vocal athlete
that I had to take steroids performance enhancing drugs.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
For my So how long did it take for your
voice to get back to normal after you took the
steroid shot to be able to do the show on that.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
First three days?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Two to three days still of just like being shut down.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Oh yeah, horse, you know, sounded totally weird, but yeah,
So when I met Ali and the team and Mike
and Mike, Mike Mamone was there. Mike knew I was
nervous as hell. But anyway, when I was there, they
were there, and that was how it all went. Can
I also do one more throwback? So that was the
eleven year anniversary. We had the one thing. I think, Clay,
you'll appreciate this because in the absolute you and I
got to know each other the first time because of COVID,
(53:56):
Because I was like, who's this sports guy who actually
understands that masks are crazy and that we shouldn't shut
all this stuff down. Prusa Mark who went to the
Rangers game who knows sports, was like, you got to
know this Clay guy. He's saying what you're saying. May April,
May twenty twenty. We're talking about very very early on.
But I was so frustrated about what was going on
(54:16):
with the social media platforms at that time that I
just straight up I went on a rant on Twitter
about how it's never going to change. We need a
billionaire who's conservative to step up and buy one of
these things, because otherwise we're just toast and rush. This
is June sixteen, twenty twenty. He read the whole thing
on air. Listening to this play twenty Many.
Speaker 15 (54:34):
Of you might remember the former guest host on this program,
Buck Sextead of the CIA. Buck now tweets a lot.
Does he have his own show now? Or yeah he does?
Wait wait, Buck has been on a tweet storm and
had to put it in one of those one of
those thread apps because there's so many tweets and he's
(54:59):
ticked off at how conservative everything has just given up.
Has just seated the country seated, Hollywood, seeded, music, seated,
television seated, the media seated.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Everything.
Speaker 15 (55:14):
Doesn't understand it if one of the conservative millionaires out
there has any stomach for saving their country from this mob,
they should buy and flip a major media platform or
fund a new one and make it an unsinkable aircraft
carrier of true free speech.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Clay Elon bought Twitter four years later, and I think
changed the trajectory of the twenty twenty four election and
online discourse as it exists. And you know, so it
was a long time coming. And Rush saw too that
with the Remember that was the height of the censorship
on social media.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah, and we were just.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Getting pummeled, shut down, locked, And isn't amazing now we're
talking about COVID reckoning and we actually have a free
we have and we have truth and we have rumble
on these other platforms. But that was like the darkest
June of twenty twenty, the darkest days of social media
censorship in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Oh, I totally remember.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
I mean that was when I was trying to argue
for schools reopening and to play sports. And you would
have thought that I was the craziest person on the planet, right,
I mean, just the idea that And I'm thankful that
I lived in Tennessee and people like Ron DeSantis and
a lot of you who live in Red States, your
schools opened back up. My kids went back to school
(56:33):
in August of twenty twenty. But I knew if we
could play sports, it would be a huge signpost for
returning to cultural normalcy. And at that point in time,
it's not just that Elon. You're right, it's not just
that Elon bought Twitter. It's that suddenly he's awoken Mark Zuckerberg,
Jeff Bezos, other people who weren't as brave to lead
(56:53):
the charge, but they've at least been willing to follow
the charge up the hill to try to put back
in play some measure of free speech principles in the
online marketplace.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Right did Elon flipping X as I thought at the time,
right when he was doing it, And you were the
first one who ever told me that was even under consideration.
I remember you said, Hey, I think Elon because of
the Babylon b account freeze, and because he knows Seth Dylon,
Seth Dylan, Right, yeah, Seth Dylan, and you know that
this may happen, which at the time seemed like, oh
(57:26):
my gosh, like that's sure enough. Forty three billion dollars later,
Elon flips it around. But that also puts downstream pressure
on the other social media platforms not to be fair,
and I know they're not, and Facebook is still a
wasteland in a lot of ways for free speech, but
to be less oppressive because they don't want to lose
all market share to for half the country. So and
(57:47):
then that was an enormously important shift that we should
never lose sight of because Clay, I mean, we were
talking about this stuff, and you and I were discussing
masks in twenty twenty. It it was like it was
like the end times for free spee. It really was.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Couldn't say stuff about the election in that year. By
the end of the year, Trump.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Got kicked off of social media, couldn't say masks don't work.
These these websites attacking us. And you know, I'm sure
you had this too. I had the New York Times
attack me. I had what's that fact what's the fact check?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Dot of org? With all these organs, you know some
of those even still exist.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
But yes, there was an entire cottage industry of places
designed to attack anyone who had the goal to speak
out in any way against COVID lockdowns or COVID shots
or asking.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
They came after you and the.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
People who were attacked, and I know a lot of
you and your personal capacities felt the same thing we felt.
What we dealt with it publicly and in a professional
setting on radio and on TV. But we were right
about everything. So I feel good about that. Remember that.
Don't ever let that go. When it really counted.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Where were you?
Speaker 2 (58:48):
And I could look at Clay and Clay can look
at me. We know where we were on the COVID stuff,
and I know a lot of you it's the same deal.
And that's why I think the accountability still matters. Look,
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be training with my with my brother, and we've got
a whole slew of firearms that we're going to be
putting ourselves through our paces with. And let me tell you,
you know, we both carry. And if you're going to
(59:09):
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Speaker 12 (01:00:13):
Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do
a lot of it with the Sunday Hey join Clay
and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay
and Buck podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or wherever
you get your podcasts.
Welcome in Friday edition. Good Friday addition. I know a
lot of you may have the day off. I know
all my kids do. So if you hear screaming yelling
in the background, I promise they're fine. They're probably just
playing video games downstairs. We've got a lot to dive into.
But one of my favorite, well, couple of things that
(00:21):
are out there. First, this idiot Maryland senator has been
able to meet with the wife beating the potentially human trafficking,
the gang member, the illegal immigrant from l Salvador who
has been returned to El Salvador. I can't believe this
is the real resistance that Democrats are mustering. We talked
(00:42):
about yesterday, fifty six percent of Americans are in favor
of all illegals being deported. What do you think, just
off the top of here, Buck ninety ten, if you
told people, Hey, this guy from El Salvador who has
clear gang affiliation with MS thirteen, a very violent El
Salvadoran gang. He has been accused credibly by his own
(01:04):
wife of beating her on multiple occasions and the details
are not pretty. In the Maryland court proceeding related to that.
He was pulled over in the state of Tennessee suspected
of human trafficking. The Tennessee State Highway Patrol contacted the FBI,
and the FBI said, just let him go. During Joe
Biden's era of no punishment for anyone who illegally entered
(01:27):
the country, and we know that he illegally entered the country,
do you think ten percent of Americans consider him to
be a worthy cause for a sitting United States Senator
to obsess with or for an American political party to
decide is a foundational issue for their representatives to be
focused on.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I think that it's a little higher than that, but
it's a very clear minority. I would guess it's more
like twenty eight to twenty five percent, because about twenty
percent of the country is politically insane and could go
through the because it's about that. Also, even on the
you know, eighteen year old boys should be able to
play against eighteen year old girls if they say they're
trends in sports. I mean, you look at some of
(02:08):
these issues, Clay, and we're dealing with a country that's
twenty percent wacko. I would say, yeah, that's my general.
So so it's it's somewhere around there. I would just
throw into the mix here. You know, Clay, there's there's
no way that they're going to easily change their minds
on how they're going to approach Trump with any of this.
(02:30):
But he's not giving them a lot to work with. Yeah, right,
He's not doing things that would be easy for a
rational political party to oppose.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
The stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And you know, the one place that they thought they
were getting some traction was on tariffs. Okay, he did
a ninety day pause, and he's negotiating. Let's see, markets
have stabilized, let's see, right, so that people won't get
people can't get that freaked out about it because that's
still very much in progress. And at the end of it,
I think he may he may have some really great
deals done. So they've decided to go with this. And
(03:04):
while I agree with you it's not a strong hand
they are playing, I don't know what other hand.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They have to play right now.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What are they gonna say, kick the borders wide open again,
we want all the illegals coming in.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
We will talk about that a little bit more. I
also encourage you, if you are still angry about COVID,
as we are in the five year anniversary of fifteen days,
I think to stop the spread.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Basically, right, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A little bit past that, but go right now on
your phones to COVID dot gov. The White House has
taken over covid dot gov and there, Buck are all
sorts of things on that website, including, among others, masks.
Don't do anything to stop the spread. There was all
(03:52):
sorts of conflicting guidance. This leaked from a Chinese lab.
Doctor Fauci was involved in the cover up.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Again.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
This is a reckoning for those of us out there
that have wanted a reckoning for all the lies we
were told during COVID. Covid dot gov. Check it out
and make sure that you do not miss it.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Today.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
It is a incredible good Friday for those of us
out there who have been demanding this reckoning. Speaking of reckonings, though, Buck,
our good friend Leticia James, just to confirm staff she
has still not accepted our offer to come on. I
am assuming and we have not gotten any word from
Kathy Hokel. I'm assuming either or Andrew Cuomo. But they
(04:35):
have the opportunity to come on and talk about this.
She says, Remember to refresh New York Attorney General Leticia James,
who said no one is above the law and no
one should be able to lie on a mortgage application
to get favorable treatment.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
These were her own words, not mine.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
She now says that despite the fact that she has
been caught lying on her mortgage applications, this is just
President Trump's revenge tour. She has spoken out about the
lies and the fraud that she has committed, and she
says this is just about President Trump. Buck, you predicted this.
But let's listen to cut four.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Let me just say two all New Yorkers and to
all Americans, the allegations are baseless. The allegations are nothing
more than a revenge tour. And as you mentioned, my
office was successful in securing a four hundred and fifty
four million dollar judgment against Donald Trump and others for
exaggerating the value of his assets, engaged in a patent
(05:40):
and practice of fraud, and the interest is accruing each
and every day while the case is on appeal in
the First Department. It's important that individuals know that this
is nothing more than the continuation of the tour he
went after law firms, universities, immigrants, women, thousands of federal
(06:01):
employees right now are unemployed. Our government is in chaos
and in disarray, Medicaid, social Security.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, let's go ahead and cut her off here. So buck,
am I missing it? Or did she explain anything about
why she lied on her mortgage claim in that in
that litany that we played for you, she's going going all.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In on the Clay Davis maneuver here from the wire, which, again,
for those of you haven't seen it, a black politician
in Baltimore Democrat is caught red handed, red handed with
a mortgage fraud and he just gets up on the
stand and is like, this is racism. I've done so
much for my community, has nothing to do with anything.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, just figure and he gets off right.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's it's that's the move that she's pulling here, except
in this case she's just leaning in on the anti
Trump thing, not the this is you know, racist persecution. Yes,
she's saying that this is all about going after Trump. No,
it's actually all about whether you committed mortgage fraud. And
she don't speak to it, but I will say this,
if you haven't committed, you know, I get how this
(07:05):
gang goes, you know, to Clay, if you haven't committed
mortgage fraud, I mean, when you say the allegations are baseless,
why don't you just say I didn't do this thing?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I feel like she's speaking about this in a very
loyally way that doesn't address did you do it?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well? This is also the problem she's in.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'll play cut six here in a moment, but the
problem she's in, as we told you, this isn't a
complicated case, right. A lot of allegations of impropriety are
really complicated. They kind of make your eyes roll back
into your head. Most of you, at some point in time,
either have or will fill out a mortgage application. It
(07:48):
is not believable to me that the chief legal officer,
a highly trained lawyer of New York, would accidentally click
that her primary residence is in Virginia, or would accidentally
say that she's married to her dad, both of which
work in her favor to lower the rate of mortgage
(08:09):
that she might otherwise have to pay.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I would also add to that, Clay, you and I
have bought houses. A lot of people listening, I'd say
probably most of the people listening have bought a house.
At some point in time you have conversations with your lender.
This isn't just This isn't like checking a box when
you're in a hurry at Walmart to you know, return
something and oh, I clicked the wrong thing. This is
(08:31):
a major This is the largest purchase that ninety nine
percent of people in the country makes a home, all right,
And unless you're getting like a Bezos yacht. And this
is a situation where she would have had conversations with
her lender about whether this is an investment property or
a primary residence.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
We've gone through this, so there's so many way there
is no defense.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's no defense because it's not possible. She would know
that she got a preferential rate. She would know what
the status of this home is. I own investment properties
and I own my home. There's no way you could
make this mistake the way she has an error, right,
It's not possible. And it's again, I think it's so key.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
The Virginia property, in particular, she can't have lived there
as her primary residence because legally she is required to
live in the state of New York because she is
New York's Attorney General. But make no mistake her only
defense is to claim Donald Trump or hey, this is sexism,
this is racism. Here's cut six. She says people are
(09:36):
harassing her relatives in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Buck.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
This is also I know you said she spoke loyally,
but this is also an admission in some ways that
people other than her are living in her primary residence
in a different state.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Cut six.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I was under the impression by all of this that
what they were really looking for is what they got,
which is a headline saying, you know, James is under
a criminal investigation.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Is that pretty much what's going on here?
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, that's what they got. That's what they got. And
it's unfortunate that you have some of these right wing
conservative individuals who are camped out in front of my
home and in front of the homes of my relatives
in Virginia, harassing them each and every day. And it's
unfortunate knocking on the doors of my neighbors and the
neighbors of my relatives in the state of Virginia.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
And it is.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Nothing more than a headline, nothing more than again, retaliation
against all of the actions that I have taken successfully
against Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, okay, but again yeah, sorry, are. We're both very
fired up, and I don't want to ever cross talk play.
I just clay play. First of all, she wasn't successful
in so far as he's president now, and the whole
game was to destroy important Yeah, right, I think that's
kind of a big deal, right, She's like, I was
so sixsed.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Actually not so much. He won. But but beyond that, the.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Way that she's talking about this, it's she's not addressing
any of the things because I think she knows the
information is going to come out that she did the thing,
and then she's just going to say it doesn't matter.
You should nullify. You know, this is gonna be the
implicit argument you should nullify mortgage fraud statutes because I'm
(11:27):
anti I'm a I'm an anti Trump warrior for the Democrats,
and that's going to be the whole, the whole thing.
This is why I think they need to bring state
and federal charges in multiple jurisdictions, because you don't know
what the jury pool you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I don't know what Norfolk looks like. I do know
New York City. There may be a juror that will
sit on that trial and say I don't care that
she dead delightslied, but I will not convict her.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I just actually spent for the first time I was
in and we've got a great station in Norfolk. I
was there for the first time recently when I was
training with DJ Shipley at GBRS with my brothers, we
overnighted in Norfolk. I'm just it's a Navy town, but
it's a heavily Democrat town. It's about forty percent I
believe African American heavily Democrat town. So you know, if
(12:15):
you look into how this is going to go, she
may be able to run the political game essentially in
both jurisdictions that well, it all depends who's on the jury,
right and this all Surrey selection is going to be everything.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
If you bring charges, I don't think you could stay
and be the Attorney General of New York if you're
facing felony charges in the State of New York. I
can't imagine. This is why we've reached out to Kathy Hokel,
who so far has stayed fairly quiet. I don't understand
how you could be the chief law enforcement officer of
the State of New York and be facing felony charges
(12:51):
for lying on your mortgage applications. I think she would
have to resign, Yes, I think that just find the charges.
I think that's true. So there's probably frantic behind the scenes.
As we discussed. The power to prosecute is the power
to destroy. Oh, it doesn't matter even if you win,
or if you're innocent or anything else, the decision to prosecute.
I would just add this though, Clay, into our discussion
(13:11):
about this. We already saw.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
With Hunter Biden that when you have a Democrat who
is important to the Democrat apparatus, they can be flagrantly
guilty of the clearest felony statutory violations and somehow they'll
get away with it. So that was the game that
she was playing, right, Hunter Biden didn't pay taxes, hid money,
(13:35):
money laundering, you know, a whole bunch of things. You
get not a day, not a day in prison, everybody,
not one day. Now. Difference is you don't have a
Democrat president to bail out to James if this ghest federal.
But I think she's certainly relying on the state charges
to evaporate very very suddenly. So this is this is
(13:56):
pyat wasn't the didn't Carolyn guys check this for me.
The prosecutor in Baltimore who was very high profile for
a while, Marilynd Moseby. Didn't she go away for mortgage
fraud or wasn't there a mortgage fraud issue?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think that's the right one.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think guys checked that one for me, because this
would just be remarkable if I'm pulling this out of
the memory bank, and I'm correct. It's Friday, so I
might be off, but we'll see, and we're gonna take
your calls on this one. I'm also just gonna get
this out of the way right away.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Clay.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
The avalanche of emails from ladies who like short kings,
ladies who like their men tall short kings defending their height.
It was crazy last twenty four hours. And some close
friends of the show have also weighed in. So it's Friday,
We're gonna have some fun with that later on. Get
ready for it. I want you to be prepared for
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(14:48):
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
This happened yesterday.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
But unfortunately, I think this story is going to continue
to grow, and it's got a really nasty, divisive tone
to it. But I want to make sure that we
are keeping you informed on it. In Frisco, Texas, which
is I believe north of Dallas, Texas, we had a
(16:42):
seventeen year old kid stabbed to death at a track meet.
And the kid that was stabbed to death at the
track meet was it appears essentially one hundred percent innocent.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Uh and.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Kid's name was Austin Metcalf. And yesterday Carmelo Anthony's legal
defense slash advising team decided that they needed to have
a press conference. Carmelo Anthony has admitted to stabbing this
other seventeen year old kid to death again at the
(17:20):
track meet. His family has since raised nearly five hundred
thousand dollars. They have moved into a nine hundred thousand
dollars mansion. There are reports that they have bought a
new car as well, and they now are saying we
are the victims. This was the beginning of the press conference.
(17:42):
The father of the young man who was killed came
to the press conference and the spokesperson started off. They
called police on him. He's also been swatted. But they
started off the press conference by saying, it's disrespectful for
the dad of the dad of the killed young man
(18:06):
to decide to show up at this press conference. I
just want you guys to be aware of what's going
on here. This has cut thirty All.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
I'm going to say so it don't be asked later,
is that was disrespectful and just shows you all the
character who is not invited. He knows that it's inappropriate
to be near this family.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
But he did it.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And so I say to people, actions speak louder than words. Okay.
What he has failed into is the political operatives that
want to make this thing a political thing of hate, get.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Bigotry and get racism.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
We have conservative operatives that have been posting none stop
about this case.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I've boggled beyond belief. Let me give you the name
by the way of this guy because he sounds like
an unbelievable moron. The spokesperson's name is Dominique Alexander. That's
not the attorney, I don't believe. I think it's a spokesperson.
But buck to start off by saying, well, your character's
in question because you're the dad of the murdered kid
(19:22):
and you show up at the press cup, I can't
believe this is real.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, well this is.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Everyone who is paying attention to this case is seeing
something quite clearly. There is bigotry and racism involved, but
it is from black people against white people. Yeah, that
is what is going on. And you can look at
the comments being written all over the GoFundMe or however
they're raising the money. You can look at the racial
animist that is on display, and that is actually very
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much going from some members. I think it's a very
small minority, but some members of the black community who
have decided to become involved in this case, to give money,
to give support. It's really just about showing their disdain
and animis for white people, and it's out in the open.
I don't know how else to describe it other than
just to tell you what is going on here. They
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are treating this as though it's some kind of vengeance
for previous wrongs, that this young man who was just
murdered in the arms of his brother and in front
of his father, in front of all their high school classmates.
Somehow this is writing a historical wrong. I mean, this
is demonic stuff. This is stuff of the demon that
you are seeing here in terms of the mentality, the immorality,
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and if they want to make this into an OJ thing,
they being this spokesperson and some of the other kind
of race hustlers who are around this, and then people
who are rallying behind this kid, it's going to be
really bad for everybody, and it's going to be really
bad for the country. The facts of this case look
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very clear that this was a grotesque over reaction from
a young man that led him to murder somebody that
he had no business pulling a knife on or doing
anything like this in the first place, and he should
pay his debt to society and that means a very
long prison sentence. I do not see this as the
facts are not in dispute over what happened. The self
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defense claim and had Tip Matt Walsher pointing this out.
This kid when the police arrives, like, oh, well, do
you think I could claim self defense? Let me tell
you something. If you pull a gun or a knife
and you use it in self defense, you think you're
doing self defense right away. You don't think about this
after the fact, you're like, maybe I could try to
convince people that this was self defense.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
There's no other.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Defense, by the way, because in cold blood he stabbed
this kid. By the way, cut thirty two. This spokesperson
says the Carmelo Anthony case reminds us of the black
struggle in America.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
This is what he said. Listen to this and that
is your constitution, right.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
It's people out here reminding us of the black struggle
in America.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The black struggle in America is to kill a kid
at a track meet when the kid is unarmed and
there's no danger whatsoever. Again, I hate that this is
going to happen, but this has the potential to be
a truly nasty story in Texas. The fact that Buck
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they're living in a nine hundred thousand dollars gated community house.
Now they have bought a new car with the money
that's being donated to them. They let this killer the
seventeen year old out on a massively reduced bail from
one million down to two hundred and fifty thousand, which
means they only have to post twenty five thousand dollars.
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And if you go look at the comments in the
four hundred plus thousand dollars that this family has raised,
some of the most vile race comments you can possibly
imagine are being posted as people are posting their donations. Now,
if if this were a white kid that had stabbed
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a black kid to death, if his bail had been.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Reduced from a million to two hundred and.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Fifty thousand dollars, if the family had moved into a
gated community nine hundred thousand dollar house, if they had
bought a brand new car, and if they were arguing
this is the struggle of being white in America, this
would be the number one story in America. If the
comments on the four hundred thousand dollars fundraiser were all
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as racist in pro white sentiment and anti black sentiment
as they are pro black and anti white in the
favor of this Carmelo Anthony individual, it would be the
number one story in America, and it would be a
sign of how white supremacy has taken over the country
in the Trump era. This is how it would be covered.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, imagine for a second to put this into I
think a context that really also shows how grotesque what's
going on is a lot of you will remember this.
Back in South Carolina, there was a shooting in twenty
fifteen of a man named Walter Scott. He was shot
and killed, and there's video, very clear video, broad daylight.
(24:22):
He is running away from a cop and the cop
draws down and shoots him at about twenty five yards
in the back and kills him as he's running away.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That is absolutely murder.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
That is absolutely not in any rules of engagement or
self defense or force escalation regulations. And that officer ended
up going away for I think it was murder. I
can't remember what the sentence was, but imagine for a
second clay of when that happened, that video came out
and the facts were not on dispute. All of a sudden,
(24:56):
there was this whole push to raise money for the
officer who shot this black guy and the yea and
killed him for no reason, and and that there were
all these all these spokesmen coming forward talking about that
the challenge of this white officer's life and how he
You know, this shows how how tough it is on
the job, and you would say, what the heck.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Is wrong with these people?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:16):
What is going on here that's happening right now with
this guy? Uh Carmelo Anthony in Texas. You have people
that are coming forward to really just celebrate them, celebrate
the murder and back up the murder of a young
white guy who did nothing to deserve being killed at all.
I don't know how it's it's very straightforward.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I've noticed.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Have you seen much coverage of this from like the
New York Times, Washington Post? I was looking for it.
I feel like they're not getting deep into this story yet,
am I not?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Something not right?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
No, not only that buck remember when they started tracking
down everybody who donated to Kyle Rittenhouse for his defense fund?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yes, I mean some.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I remember some guy like donated fifty bucks and a
report showed up at their door. Do you remember this
story and outed them and did a full report on hey,
why are you donating this to this this defense fund?
Look at some of the comments that are being made.
To my knowledge, nobody's covering any of the people that
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are donating to the defense Fund. Now, I'm not saying
that I think that that was a fair story in
the first place. I think if you donate fifty dollars
to some charity event, I don't think the Washington Post
should show up at your door knocking on it. But
they did that to Kyle Rittenhouse's donors, and I think
one of the guys got fired in Utah. I remember, correctly,
we're recalling old stories. Let's see if I can nail
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that story too, like Buck did earlier with Marilyn Moseby.
But I remember just being in disbelief that you could
donate to a charitable cause in some way and a
reporter could show up at your doorstep asking why did
you donate fifty.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Fifty dollars A time about fifty thousand dollars to Kyle
Rittenhouse's defense Fund was worthy of you having a story
written about you and you being tracked down by a
reporter to answer for why you gave fifty dollars to
his self defense fund.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's it's remarkable, though, that this is this is happening,
and that you're not even you're not seeing any Democrat,
anybody with any standing in the Democrat or the black
community come forward to say, guys, this is not this
is not what we should be doing here.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
What are you you know?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yes, is he entitled to a defense? Yes, of course
he's in toited legal defense. Is he entitled to all
the rights of the accused? Yes, he's in title all
the rights of the accused. Should you be, you know,
publicly attacking the father of the deceased and giving this
kid's family a million dollar house to live in, and
all raising money and writing things online about how the
white kid deserved it. That's what's going on. That's the
(27:54):
problem that we are seeing. That's what everyone, I think
is is reacting to. And it is very interesting. I
wanted to check with you because I did a couple
of searches. New York Times, Washington Post not really touching
this because I think I think that some of their reporters,
and first of all, they're not as powerful as they
used to be. They can't withstand the screwtin either way
they used to. I think they realized, Clay, you have
a New York Times editorial, you know that's that's playing
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this whole game of oh, we just need to raise
money so that he has a good legal defense and
everything else, they will get absolutely annihilated in public. They
can't defend this. This story.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
In Utah, they did an investigation into a Utah paramedic
who donated ten dollars to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
They showed up at his house to ask him why
he was doing it. And credit to our team for
finding it. Utah reporter tracking down a guy who donated
ten dollars.
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Speaker 2 (30:56):
All right, welcome back into Clay Ann Buck. We are
joined now by Mike Gallagh. He is head of defense
at Palentier. He's got a really interesting piece in the
Wall Street Journal Time for Accountability on the COVID lab
leak cover up. Mike, appreciate you making the time for us.
Speaker 8 (31:13):
It's an honor to be with you.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Let's just jump into it. You got into this in
your piece. What does accountability look like? What does the
public need to know? What steps have to be taken
now when it comes to the lab leak cover up?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I see I love that there's a picture.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Of Fauci touching a little fake virus in your op ed.
He's the absolute worst. What needs to happen.
Speaker 9 (31:36):
Well, I can't claim credit for the artwork that comes
with these op eds. I just do the words, but
it was quite nice to me. It just starts with
the basic step of complete declassification of relevant intelligence. If
you remember, we actually passed the law when I was
in Congress requiring that the Biden administration do just that,
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but they didn't comply with the law. When they finally
did an investigation into the origins of COVID, it was
not serious. What came out was heavily redacted. It was
a regurgitation of the prevailing consensus. And so there's been
no accountability for our own scientific establishment which was profoundly corrupted.
Our own intelligence community was parroting the corrupted consensus of
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the scientists, and even the authors of the proximal Origins article,
which spread a lot of this misinformation, have not been
held accountable.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
If the opposite has happened.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
They continue to get awards, Fauci continues to be lauded,
and we have centers named after Fauci. And without that
basic step of accountability, people just aren't going to trust
the government. They're not going to trust the health institutions,
the scientific institutions, and therefore we're less prepared to prevent
that future pandemic. So I think accountability starts with getting
the information out there, even if it's super embarrassing too.
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The government agencies that allowed tax dayer dollars to be fundled,
funneled your corrupt nonprofits like the Eco Health Alliance and
wind their way into the hands of the Muhan.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
Institute of Virology.
Speaker 10 (33:08):
There's been no accountability thus far.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
That's why I read your piece and I appreciate you
coming on with us. I know how busy you are
in your new job, and we'll talk about that maybe
in a moment. But Trump for people who do not know,
I encourage you to go to COVID dot gov today
and look at everything that's being laid out there. We're
five years after COVID, and Buck and I focus on
(33:31):
this a lot because we're kind of history nerds, and
one of the good things about time passing is over time,
history I like to think becomes more honest about what
really transpired. Are you optimistic that twenty forty years from
now will get a more honest version of what happened?
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And the failures of this nation when it comes to
responding to COVID in generations ahead, or do you think
the same people that are trying to stop us now
will continue to fight for generations into the future to
avoid acknowledging how wrong they were.
Speaker 10 (34:07):
Well, I would only say I don't think we have twenty,
let alone forty years right. We had a report a
few months ago that in February, researchers that the will
had Incevivirology had experimented with a new bat coronavirus that
looked a lot similar to COVID nineteen. What you learn
is you sort of dig into the nature of what
happened in Muhan, but lab accidents more broadly is that
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these are actually more common than we realize, and so
part of the push for accountability is based on the
idea that the risks of a pandemic like the one
we went through with COVID nineteen or with one that
could be far worse if a future virus were just
as pathenogenic or more lethal. Rather, those risks have not
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gone down. We haven't learned any lessons, and so we
need accountability on a year timeline, not a twenty year
time which is why I was very glad to see
that Resident Trump launched his website. I would encourage all
Americans to go to the website right now and really
lays out five basic common sense truths that the government
heretofore is not acknowledged. One, the virus possessed biological characteristics
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that you couldn't find in nature. To all the data
suggests it's stemmed from a single introduction into humans, not
multiple spillovers like previous pandemics. Three, that the Wuhan Institute
had conducted gain to function research.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
At an adequate safety levels.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Or that the researchers at the Wuhan It's too fell
ill with COVID months before the virus was allegedly discovered
at a web market. And finally, after all these years,
there's no scientific evidence of a natural origin that has surfaced.
That alone has done more to advance the case of
accountability than under four years of President Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
So we need to press the gas.
Speaker 10 (35:51):
We need to hold our own agencies accountable, and again
we need to declassify all the relevant information.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Mike, I wanted to pivot a little bit here and
lean into another area of expertise, something you're dealing with
day in and day out now as head of Defense
at Palenteer Technologies. I think one of the lessons that
anybody paying attention to what's going on over in Ukraine
with Russia, and especially if they're looking ahead at the
possibility at some point in the future of some kind
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of hot conflict with China, is technology is going to
be absolutely critical. We're looking at drones, We're looking at
a future of telecommunications and high speed computing making decisions
on the battlefield. That is truly the stuff of sci
fi from not long ago, and it's it's becoming reality
now every day. But with that said, I know Palenteers
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involved in the high tech edge of things with defense.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
It wasn't long.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Ago where Google was upset. There was like an uprising
at Google over the prospect of doing anything that helped
the United States Pentagon right, like as if Silicon Valley
was its own little fiefdom that did not actually become
or was not actually a part of the United States.
Do you feel like that is changing now? Do you
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feel like there's an understanding that companies that are US based,
that employ Americans have a role in defense and that
means that they should take a patriotic position on Yeah,
we will work with the United States Pentagon.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
I think it is changing.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
I mean Google has actually recently changed its position. And
if you remember at the time, the reason so many
of us got upset when Google abandoned Project mayven is
they were simultaneously trying to work with China AI exactly
an AI center in Beijing. It was subsequently revealed there
was a project that they did abandon, but a project
they were exploring to center internet search in China.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So the message was, well.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
We're cool working with a genocidal communist regime, but not
with the American military, because the American military occasionally has
to do things like kill Falafe Jiahatis in order.
Speaker 8 (37:53):
To keep America safe.
Speaker 10 (37:55):
And so into the brief step Talenteer, which was unapologetic
in its belief that America is the greatest country in
the history of the world, that we should have the
most lethal military in the world, and that some folks,
be they terrorists.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Or other bad guys, need to be killed occasionally.
Speaker 10 (38:12):
And I do think what we're seeing on the battlefield
in Ukraine is forcing people to re examine their previously
held assumptions. There's a lot of capital in the venture
capital community that is trying to flow into defense technology companies.
And finally, I would say not to talk to my
own book. But when you have a company like Talent
that spent two decades trying to survive the so called
Valley of Death because it isn't easy for a defense
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technology company to succeed because the Pentagon can be a
difficult customer, it proves to other companies that are trying
to do the same that.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
It's possible to survive.
Speaker 10 (38:44):
It's possible to go public, it's possible to have a
mission focused company, and that also is successful financially, which
is why we founded something called the First Breakfast Initiative,
which is designed to make it easier for non traditional
defense technology companies to serve and thrive because we need more. Right,
we can't just have five primes that control everything. We
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need the primes to survive. They're always going to be there,
but we need a more diverse ecosystem of defense technology companies.
If we are going to have a hope of deterring
China from invading Taiwan, as well as simultaneously going after
terrorists in the Middle East and the other threat actors,
we have to deal with.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
What you just said I think is important and also
to me connects with your editorial in the Wall Street Journal,
which is about the importance of truth and the commitments
of fact. When you see so much of what's going
on in America today and around the world, whether it's
celebrating the United Healthcare CEOs killer, whether it is down
in Frisco, Texas, Carmelo Anthony stabs a seventeen year old
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in the heart and raises four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
As you just mentioned, so many of.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
These elite institutions out there had people marching in favor
of the perpetrators of October seventh. Why are we having
such a different This is a big philosophical question, But
why do you think we're having such a challenge, especially
going into the Holy week of good and evil recognizing
them and being willing to stand on the side of good.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Well, I do think, you know, to really take it,
make it biblical, and maybe betray my Catholic perspective. I
do think as religion has retreated in.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Terms of its role in American.
Speaker 10 (40:25):
Life, people have sought out other gods and in some ways,
politics or you know, a political tribe can become a
cult and still kind of a God shaped hole in
people's hearts. And I think correspondingly, there's also this epistemological
crisis that we have in America where people no longer
trust any sources of information, right, Like, we have this.
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Very balkanized media landscape.
Speaker 10 (40:51):
Where nobody really knows where to go to get truth,
and the risk of that is people can kind of
opt in to whatever reality they just want to live in,
and it's very hard to have a coherent conversation based
on facts, based on logic. As a result that being said,
you know, as a product of representing northeast Wisconsin, where
we're going to host the NFL Draft here shortly by
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the way, everybody, I'm very excited. It's a huge, huge
thing for Green Bay, Wisconsin, a huge thing.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:23):
I think most people are just common sense, right. There
was this revolution of common sense that President Trump talked about.
I mean, people were afraid initially to speak their minds,
you know, particularly in COVID. But people started to see
what was happening to our kids with schools being shut down,
wasp happened to our loved ones who were being locked up,
and they thought, this doesn't make any sense. I do
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have this abiding faith in the common sense of the
American people. Right now, they're demanding change and reform in
the basic institutions of government. I think Trump is an
instrument for that that change. It can be very disruptive
at times, that's what the American people want. So we
have to get back to that at the end of
the day. Like we have to realize, of course America's
not perfect, but we're the good guys, right we are
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the greatest country in human history. That comes with a
great responsibility. But the rest of the world is looking
to us for leadership to leave with courage. If you
remember when China took over Hong Kong and hundreds of
thousands of people came out into the streets to protest,
what were they waving. They were waving American flags, right.
They were looking to us as an example for a
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free society, and that's something we all have a duty
to maintain.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Well said, have a good Holy week and weekend, and
we'll talk to you again, hopefully soon. Encourage people to
go check out that editorial in the Wall Street Journal.
Hey guys, it's Mike Gallagher, now inside of Defense Universe,
but previously Green Bay Wisconsin Congressman. And yes, the NFL
draft coming up soon, and he just talked about good
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and evil.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
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Speaker 2 (44:02):
And it's something of a special anniversary. In fact, one
of our listeners, Steve from Pittsburgh, who listens on WHLO
in akron, he sent in this talk back as a
helpful reminder for what the anniversary is.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Play d D.
Speaker 13 (44:20):
Hey guys, this is Steve from Pittsburgh, PA listening to
whlo am six forty a acron. Got a question for you, Buck.
It was eleven years ago today that you made your
debut behind the Golden EIB microphoonte would like and it
was good Friday too. Would like to know your thoughts
recollections from that day. How did it come about? Anything
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like that you might want to share to us with
us be really interesting.
Speaker 8 (44:46):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
First of all, play incredible memory from this guy because
he is not a cousin or an uncle of mine.
I did not put him up to this. I know
that's a pretty wild recall.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
This guy's got it's ridiculous love affair here that he
would remember. But credit to him eleven years. Eleven years,
not even like it was ten or five. It's like,
you know, eleven's kind of a no offense to anybody
celebrating their eleventh wedding anniversary. But usually it's not like, oh,
my goodness, but yes, this is impressive, So Steve, I
(45:19):
have yes, it was eleven years ago.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I sat at the Golden EIB Mike, a young buck,
thirty thirty. Gosh, hold am I thirty two years old?
I was either the youngest or maybe Hannity. I don't know, guys,
we got to check on this was Hannity the youngest
to ever stated at the EIB Mike at that time?
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Or is it me?
Speaker 2 (45:36):
I think we're within a year of each other. So
I don't know who gets the uh who gets the
youngest title? But you want to know what it was like,
I'll tell you about what it was like. First of all,
the team pulled this when they saw this talk back,
they pulled this up. This was I don't even know
what this is gonna sound like, but well, let's just
say here's what it was like years ago. Cut twenty five.
Filling in for Rush.
Speaker 14 (46:01):
And now filling in for Rush Limbaugh he's a national
security editor for the Blaze of Formers, CIA officer who
served tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's also worked as
a counter terrorism specialist for the New York Police Department.
Ladies and gentlemen, here's Buck Sexton.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Buck Sexton here filling in for Rush Limbaugh today. I'm
also just to bring you up to speed the national
security editor of the Blaze dot Com. I'm fighting a
tiny bit of a cold, but couldn't pass up this
opportunity to have a chance to speak to all of you.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
You sound so young, You sell so incredibly young. I was.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I was very young, but beyond that, So this is
you asked what it was like fast forward. I gave
Russia's team reached out. I had filled in for Glenn Clay.
I had filled in for.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Hold on one joke, Before you tell your serious story,
producer Greg says a cold.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
He sounds like he's going through puberty.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
So wow, producer Greg at two Greg, right right after
the Rangers game.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Greg, really really?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Oh, I see right now you can tell your serious story.
But I wanted to Greg deliver a shot across the
bow to start, so well, let me let me just
say this, this is all, this is all true.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
And if my mom's listening, she's gonna have flashbacks because
I had been at the Blaze only for a couple
of years. At this point, I'd filled in for Glenn,
and then I filled in for Sean Hannity and then
Rush's team. Sure enough, they said we're gonna let you
sit at the at the Golden Mic, and I was,
you know, this was a huge break in my career.
I was incredibly excited, and I came down the week
(47:37):
of it. I came down with a cold, and I
remember thinking, Okay, this will be fine because all the
cold will be bad on the Monday Tuesday, but by
Friday I should be okay. What I didn't realize is
that sometimes if you're going to get leeryingitis, it happens
toward the end of the cold, or rather, you know,
mid to end of the cold, because your vocal cords
get so inflamed and dried out from the virus clay.
(48:00):
The day before I had that show, I had the
only time in my life this has happened to me.
I could not speak at all. I had no voice whatsoever.
And that sounds obviously like I'm gonna wimp out of this,
so I can't. I don't know what I'm gonna do,
so I'm scrambling. I'm drinking tea. I'm doing all this
sort of stuff and God bless her. I call my mom.
(48:21):
I say, Mom, I got a fill in for Rush tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh, by the way, I was.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Like, ah that, I mean I had nothing, no voice, nothing.
And she finds she's just scrambling. We're doing online research.
She finds somebody who is the person the doctor in
New York who opera singers go to when it's opera
night and they have Oh and there's something that she
can do. And so my mom and this is all
(48:45):
my mom, I gotta say. My mom calls this doctor
who says, I'm not open tomorrow. I'm going to the Hamptons.
My mom says, my son is filling in for the
biggest radio show in the country. I guess in the world.
I don't know if there's a bigger show in China,
but you know, bigger show in the world. Can you
please just help him, like whatever you can do. She goes,
all right, the day of I go in there, and
(49:06):
I go in there ten o'clock in the morning. She
looks at my vocal cords. It's doctor Coravin. She looks
at my vocal cords, Clay, and she goes, you you
are you are cooked? There's no chance you're going to
be able to do this show. The only option is
I'm going to give you a steroid shot. The steroid
shot will bring the inflammation of your vocal cords down,
but it will only last three to four hours. Oh wow.
(49:30):
So it's like ten thirty in the morning the day
of the show. And you know, she didn't she didn't know,
she didn't know doing the show. She didn't know what time.
I'm like, that actually will work? Can you give me
the shot late? How can we do it? And so
that I started out that show, I said I had
a bit of a cold. I was shaking that my
voice the whole time was going to just disappear and
I would sound like a huge, a huge wimp. And
(49:50):
at the by the end of the show, by the way,
the voice was pretty much gone. And that night I
couldn't speak again. So that was the whole if you're wondering,
And for days at the anxiety level for day after
as I was just like shaking it home, like, oh
my god, I was so scared my voice.
Speaker 8 (50:04):
Was gonna go.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
But it went well enough they had me back. You know,
here we are okay. So I want to give. So,
first of all, that's great. The doctor was there and
she was willing to do this. Did your mom think
on the spot about the idea of opera singers and
how they were treated? I actually am curious house. I mean,
that's a brilliant idea that she would have had, because
(50:25):
we make a living based on being able to talk.
But I wouldn't even have thought. I mean, first of all,
and you're in New York City, I know, Nashville. I
would have been totally in trouble because I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
My mom loves you know, my mom was she was
in the near she was in La at the American
Ballet Theater, and so she loves classical music and she
has friends in the opera in New York and everything,
so she knows that world a bit. But it was
totally her idea, and I even thought about it. That's
Mom saving the day. Totally saved the day, and the doctor.
(50:55):
The doctor looked at me, she was like, she's like,
your vote you have. She actually said, if I tried
to push through without the steroid, you can do permanent
damage because you can create scar tissue because of all
the inflammation in your vocal box. So this was just
at all all the stars alive. But people ask, yeah,
my eleven day. I have never been nervous doing anything
in media in my life before or since.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
That was the only.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Time and by far the biggest time I was ever nervous. Yes,
being behind the Golden EIB Mike when you know Rush
was having his six hundred and eighty stations or whatever
it was. But Clay, the whole time I've come back
from break, I was like, I can still talk. Okay,
we got one more segment. We got one more segment.
I told the team.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Ali, dude, Ali, you remember you were there.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
So was Mikey just running behind the mic.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
I do remember, and I remember meeting you that day. Buck,
I would have had no idea you were cool as
a cucumber.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
I was shaken like a leaf. I was shaking like
a leaf. So yeah, that was I mean, Clay, you're
the same. I can tell you the same thing. Even
with the first time I did TV, Like the first
time I was on cable news, I was like, I
was cia baby, cool as a cucumber, Like this isn't
gonna phase me. This was when I was like, oh
my god, oh my god, Oh my god. So I
remember it trusts me eleven years ago in Mom, you
are the greatest mom, but also a genius on the spot.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like even to think, okay,
who would be able to treat this, who would be
able to figure out a way to make this happen?
Because this is always an issue for singers, right, I know.
I think I came on the air and talked about
the fact that I went to watch Adele and some
of you were like, well, no, it was incredible, right,
she was amazing in Caesar's but then she's had to
(52:37):
cancel a ton of her performances because of vocal fold
related issues. And obviously, when you are an incredible talent
like that, something as simple as a cold can throw
everything into an uproar. So I wouldn't have even thought
about that. But credit to your mom, because you probably
got how many doctors like that are there in the
(52:59):
name ten.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Veryigh that specialized that specialized in this, because most people
would just say, look, you got a cold, like go
home from war, like you know, it's just don't talk
as much as you don'tirely will fine, It's it's not
a major medical issue unless you make a living and
have a performance of some kind with your voice. But yeah,
I like to tell people on such a vocal athlete
that I had to take steroids performance enhancing drugs.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
For my So how long did it take for your
voice to get back to normal after you took the
steroid shot to be able to do the show on that.
Speaker 8 (53:30):
First three days?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Two to three days still of just like being shut down.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Oh yeah, horse, you know, sounded totally weird, but yeah,
So when I met Ali and the team and Mike
and Mike, Mike Mamone was there. Mike knew I was
nervous as hell. But anyway, when I was there, they
were there, and that was how it all went. Can
I also do one more throwback? So that was the
eleven year anniversary. We had the one thing. I think, Clay,
you'll appreciate this because in the absolute you and I
got to know each other the first time because of COVID,
(53:56):
Because I was like, who's this sports guy who actually
understands that masks are crazy and that we shouldn't shut
all this stuff down. Prusa Mark who went to the
Rangers game who knows sports, was like, you got to
know this Clay guy. He's saying what you're saying. May April,
May twenty twenty. We're talking about very very early on.
But I was so frustrated about what was going on
(54:16):
with the social media platforms at that time that I
just straight up I went on a rant on Twitter
about how it's never going to change. We need a
billionaire who's conservative to step up and buy one of
these things, because otherwise we're just toast and rush. This
is June sixteen, twenty twenty. He read the whole thing
on air. Listening to this play twenty Many.
Speaker 15 (54:34):
Of you might remember the former guest host on this program,
Buck Sextead of the CIA. Buck now tweets a lot.
Does he have his own show now? Or yeah he does?
Wait wait, Buck has been on a tweet storm and
had to put it in one of those one of
those thread apps because there's so many tweets and he's
(54:59):
ticked off at how conservative everything has just given up.
Has just seated the country seated, Hollywood, seeded, music, seated,
television seated, the media seated.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
Everything.
Speaker 15 (55:14):
Doesn't understand it if one of the conservative millionaires out
there has any stomach for saving their country from this mob,
they should buy and flip a major media platform or
fund a new one and make it an unsinkable aircraft
carrier of true free speech.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Clay Elon bought Twitter four years later, and I think
changed the trajectory of the twenty twenty four election and
online discourse as it exists. And you know, so it
was a long time coming. And Rush saw too that
with the Remember that was the height of the censorship
on social media.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah, and we were just.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Getting pummeled, shut down, locked, And isn't amazing now we're
talking about COVID reckoning and we actually have a free
we have and we have truth and we have rumble
on these other platforms. But that was like the darkest
June of twenty twenty, the darkest days of social media
censorship in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Oh, I totally remember.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
I mean that was when I was trying to argue
for schools reopening and to play sports. And you would
have thought that I was the craziest person on the planet, right,
I mean, just the idea that And I'm thankful that
I lived in Tennessee and people like Ron DeSantis and
a lot of you who live in Red States, your
schools opened back up. My kids went back to school
(56:33):
in August of twenty twenty. But I knew if we
could play sports, it would be a huge signpost for
returning to cultural normalcy. And at that point in time,
it's not just that Elon. You're right, it's not just
that Elon bought Twitter. It's that suddenly he's awoken Mark Zuckerberg,
Jeff Bezos, other people who weren't as brave to lead
(56:53):
the charge, but they've at least been willing to follow
the charge up the hill to try to put back
in play some measure of free speech principles in the
online marketplace.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Right did Elon flipping X as I thought at the time,
right when he was doing it, And you were the
first one who ever told me that was even under consideration.
I remember you said, Hey, I think Elon because of
the Babylon b account freeze, and because he knows Seth Dylon,
Seth Dylan, Right, yeah, Seth Dylan, and you know that
this may happen, which at the time seemed like, oh
(57:26):
my gosh, like that's sure enough. Forty three billion dollars later,
Elon flips it around. But that also puts downstream pressure
on the other social media platforms not to be fair,
and I know they're not, and Facebook is still a
wasteland in a lot of ways for free speech, but
to be less oppressive because they don't want to lose
all market share to for half the country. So and
(57:47):
then that was an enormously important shift that we should
never lose sight of because Clay, I mean, we were
talking about this stuff, and you and I were discussing
masks in twenty twenty. It it was like it was
like the end times for free spee. It really was.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Couldn't say stuff about the election in that year. By
the end of the year, Trump.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Got kicked off of social media, couldn't say masks don't work.
These these websites attacking us. And you know, I'm sure
you had this too. I had the New York Times
attack me. I had what's that fact what's the fact check?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Dot of org? With all these organs, you know some
of those even still exist.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
But yes, there was an entire cottage industry of places
designed to attack anyone who had the goal to speak
out in any way against COVID lockdowns or COVID shots
or asking.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
They came after you and the.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
People who were attacked, and I know a lot of
you and your personal capacities felt the same thing we felt.
What we dealt with it publicly and in a professional
setting on radio and on TV. But we were right
about everything. So I feel good about that. Remember that.
Don't ever let that go. When it really counted.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
Where were you?
Speaker 2 (58:48):
And I could look at Clay and Clay can look
at me. We know where we were on the COVID stuff,
and I know a lot of you it's the same deal.
And that's why I think the accountability still matters. Look,
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