Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Apr 21 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Monday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Markets look a little rough this morning.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
We'll discuss this is a time for a rate cut
at the FED. Trump certainly thinks so he's losing patience
with Jerome Powell. Obviously the biggest news story today, We
will dive into it shortly. Here is the passing of
Pope Francis. You got billions of Catholics around the world

(00:30):
very very much dialed into the legacy, the life and legacy.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Of Pope Francis. So we shall discuss some of that.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Jade Vance just met with him on Sunday, So it
does seem a bit sudden that all of a sudden
the Pope is no more. They're going to have to
elect a new one. The conclave's going to get together,
the smoke's gonna have to come out of the chimney,
all that stuff. So we shall discuss that the first
Jesuit pope, which is I think interesting, and the first

(00:59):
Latin American pope. Those are the two standouts, at least
in terms of his bio. We can talk about some
of his policies and some of his well, some of
what he stood for some of what he said. Coming
up here, We've got updates on immigration and deportation, specifically
Democrats still making kill Abrego Garcia one of their great

(01:21):
causes some when they are very concerned with returning to
the United States so that we can deport him again.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Just want to be clear.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't think anyone believes that that is not what
the end state of the legal system would be. But
we got to bring him back so we can deport
him the right way. They say, is he member of
MS thirteen, Yeah, but maybe they'll say he's not. Depends
on the day. So we have more on that for
all of you. Also, Clay, I thought this was interesting.

(01:49):
There's reporting the Wall Street Journal that the Trump administration
is considering different ways to encourage having kids a pro
I guess it's a pro natalism policy, having more babies
they want. Trump wants more babies, probably as many babies

(02:09):
as we can have.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So you know, certainly Elon's doing his best to help
out there. Elon, you could say he's a pioneer.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I'm not sure everybody would agree with the way he's
doing it, but you could say he's a pioneer in
the natalism world. In the pro he's definitely pro baby making.
That part of it we could all agree on. But Clay,
I was thinking about this this morning. I think nationwide
about twenty percent. Oh wait, sorry, before we get into that,
and they're going after Pete hegseeth again. They really want

(02:40):
they really want that sec def scalp the media. It's
not going to happen. It's a lot of retread of
old stories and everything else.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
They're not going to get it. But you can tell
they're really turning up the.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Heat on him more than anyone else the administration, which
I think for a lot of us indicates well, that
means we definitely want him to stay. That means he's
shaking things up in a way that makes bad people uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
But okay, now the pope. Let's get into Clay.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
What are you like, you're a Methodist or something a
Southern Baptist? What are you Southern Baptist? So yeah, I
was not a pope officionado growing up. Didn't know a
lot about the pope. But you'll remember a couple of
years ago and it was one of the most awesome
trips of my life. I got to go I took
my kids and we went to Rome, and we toured

(03:24):
the Vatican, and we got to experience what it is like,
the pomp, the circumstance, the majesty that surrounds everything having
to do with the Catholic Church. So I was not
raising the Catholic Church, and don't have a ton of
experience other than going to a few funerals, a few
weddings that are in the Catholic faith. But I certainly appreciate.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
The impact and the power, like I said, of the Vatican,
and know and follow as a news story the selection
of the new pope and find it to be very
intriguing in the way that it takes place, with the
white smoke and and the pope, papal enclaves and everything else,
conclaves and everything else that's associated with it. You are

(04:09):
the expert, however, on the selection of the next pope,
as it pertains, that's vigenous. The expert of visions may
not be a high standard, but the expert.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I'm not gonna there's a lot of you listening who
know a lot more about about this pope and about
the latest things going on within the church. Compart to me,
I did. I went to Jesuit school, and he was
a Jesuit of the Society of Jesus of that order
and the first one ever to become pope, which is interesting.
As I said, he's Argentine or I never know if
it's Argentine or Argentinian, but we'll just go with Argentinian.

(04:43):
He's Argentinian by birth. The the the interesting things about
about this pope, I mean, one is he on some
things that matter very much. And I want to expand
this discussion out so it's not just about because for
a lot of people, if you're if you're a practicing Catholic,
the Pope is obviously the head of the church, very important,

(05:05):
the Vicar of Christ here on earth, Lord's Pontiff, all
that stuff. But there's also bigger issues that he was
addressing that I think had a lot of impact. We
have about a billion and a half Catholics around the world,
so there's a lot of Catholics. I know many of
you listening are of different Protestant than I'd say, what
do you think, I would guess this is what I

(05:26):
was going to say before. I would think our audience
is a little more Catholic than the nation overall. I
would say it's probably more like thirty percent of our
listeners are Catholic. I would guess twenty percent I think
is the national number. I would say we're probably more
like thirty percent here. You know, I don't think we
have quite as many like far left atheist types listening,

(05:48):
So you know.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
You're going to have more.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
You're going to have more people who are Christian of
religious faith so than a much bigger denomina or much
bigger chunk I think would be Protestant. But anyway, Clay,
I mean, here's where it came down for a lot
of people. This is a pope who did not allow
priests to marry, did not move on the issue of abortion,

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and still was ardently pro life, did not have any
policies particularly that advanced like the transagenda. So there were
some areas where he was a traditionalist. The problem is
he was a big climate change guy, and he was
somebody who spoke a lot about about social justice but

(06:31):
also in the context of being effectively open borders, and
I just I don't agree with that. Now, he wasn't
speaking ex cathedra on those issues, which means it's not
considered church doctrine. It's not from God through the pope
to his to his flock. But I didn't agree on
those things. So there's some there's some stuff that I liked.

(06:53):
And you know, there's a big move toward more traditional
Christianity and traditional Catholicism more specifically in this country, Clay.
Right now, as people have realized a lot of the
secular left wing stuff is a bridge to nowhere.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah, I think there is a increasing search for meaning,
and I think that certainly is translating with young men.
I just finished the first draft of the book that
I'm writing about why Trump was able to have such
success with young men and why that has continued, and
why the Republican Party is having such success with young men.

(07:28):
I think a lot of young men and increasingly young
women too, are aware that they have been sold something
that is untrue. That is, and again, anytime we talk
about this, people are because they don't have this particular lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
But I'll just say it. I mean, you just had
a baby.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
The best possible formation for raising children is husband and wife,
nuclear family, and one of those individuals is able to
be the primary caregiver. That is a reason that has
endured for thousands and thousands of years. That doesn't mean

(08:07):
that some of you out there can't both have fabulous jobs,
and there can't be daycare, and there can't be parents,
and I mean grandparents and aunts and uncles and brothers
and sisters and all these other different individuals that are
involved in raising kids. It is incredibly important. I think
a lot of what has been sold to women in particular,

(08:29):
and I'm fired up on this because I just finished
writing this section of my book, but to women in particular.
If you went back in time Buck to the nineteen
sixties and you told a single young man, hey, what's
the world that you would most like to embody to
find in the world, I think you would probably hear
that single young man describe the lifestyle that exists now

(08:53):
for men. That is women's empowerment. And this is going
to get people riled up too, But to a large extent,
women's empowerment I think has actually given men everything they wanted.
And think about it for a minute. Now, for young men,
you have never had to work less in order to

(09:13):
have access to tons of pretty girls. You don't even
have to take them out on dates. Now you can
send twenty different text messages of you up and this
is the reality of the world that exists now. If
you're sixteen to thirty five and you're single out there
and Buck, you just went through it. Now you're married.

(09:34):
But I think a lot of women and men are
not coming together. They're not getting married, they're not having children,
and we are learning that trying to make women more
like men and men more like women actually means that
everybody doesn't like each other as much as they otherwise would.
They like the sexest to be different, and this idea
that you can be any gender, or babies, sometimes doctors

(09:57):
get babies wrong. I think you're seeing a profound repea
udiation of this era, and I wonder the reflection of
who they are going to select as the next pope.
It's fine to be in some way welcoming of difference,
but at some point in time you do need to
recognize that there is traditional value in the decisions that
have been made for thousands of years. And I see

(10:19):
that all kind of coming together in terms of the
decision they make as to who the next pope is.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think one thing that is true, irrespective of time
or culture or anything else, is that for human happiness
to flourish. You actually need to care about something more
than you care about yourself. That a focus on the
self and the deep and really malignant narcissism that is

(10:47):
I think really a defining characteristic of culture for young
people today. Maybe it has been for a longer time
than that, but the self obsession with what I want,
what I need, when I want it is is just
a pathway to one happiness I think in the long
run and maybe even in the short run. And I
think that when people look to things like family and

(11:09):
faith and and what really matters and causes beyond themselves,
that they can actually impact or effect, which is a
very important This is where you know this is Pope
is very into social justice. I think social justice for
a lot of people, and the cause is including things
like climate change that go under that clay. Is often

(11:29):
an easy way out for people because saying that you
you know, you want equal pay, or saying that you
stand for climate change or Ukraine or the or you know,
Fouchi or whatever it is, whatever your new quasi religion
is of the moment, that's easy and can make people
in the short term feel good about themselves, but it's
empty because it requires no discipline and no effort, and

(11:52):
there's nothing that you're really doing, whereas helping somebody in
your family or helping somebody in your community who really
is in a desperate situation, taking action that sacrifices your
own immediate comforts and interest for other people, and doing
that on a daily basis, tending to your own flock
those around you. That I think is a far more

(12:17):
tried and true way to achieve purpose, which is really
what our modern culture, because we live lives generally play,
have so much convenience.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Every food is.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Delicious, entertainment is everywhere. You know, sex has been cheapened
and easy for most people to get, or you know,
or they just do only fans or what all this stuff,
all the you know, endorphin and serotonin rush that people
are constantly chasing. I think what they really want is purpose,
And whether you're twenty or eighty, I think purpose is

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the thing that leads to more lasting, real happiness in
a deep philosophical sense. And I think that that's the
role of the Catholic Church place for bringing it in
a full circle for a lot of people. The relationship
with God, those who believe in Christ and his Resurrection.
We just had Easter. Happy Easter to all of you
who celebrate. I think that this is a moment for

(13:10):
people who even if you're not a Catholic, even if
you're not a Christian, there can be reflection on this,
but certainly for Catholics and Christians, what are we all
doing to live the faith that we profess and to
actually take what we know about a good life and
put it into action. Because we live in a social
media hashtag and don't use hashtags anymore, but you know,

(13:32):
we live in.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
A selfie, uber, eats Netflix.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Quick, fast and easy culture, and I think that's a
big park clay of what leads to so much unhappiness.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I also think to your point, if people don't have
a larger purpose, they will find it, and sometimes they
find it in politics, which I think has happened on
the left in particular, a lot of these in my opinion,
women who would wise have been raising families have decided
that the Democrat Party is the family they don't otherwise have.

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And I think there's a profound sadness there, honestly, that
that is where you would choose to find your sense
of purpose is entirely in the political realm and entirely
with one political party, but deep thoughts to start off
a Monday morning, as we are coming out of the
Easter holiday, and as the Pope, who I think it's

(14:26):
kind of fair to say shockingly has passed because he
was just public yesterday and there seemed to be some
idea that he had come through the worst of his
health related conditions when it seemed like he might pass,
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
There are two losses that a lot of people are
focused on right now. One is the loss of Pope
of Francis, who we discussed and by the way, we'll
take some of your calls and talkbacks on this at
the back of this hour, So if you want to
talk about the Pope at all, what he meant to you,
or if you disagree. As a Catholic, I know he
was very anti the Latin Mass. I would actually as

(16:23):
a I'm coming back to it. I will tell you
I always want to be very honest with his audience.
You know, I was raised quite Catholic in terms of
the practice, right, going everything, all the sacraments, Jesuit school.
I went to Catholic school and then Jesuit High School,
and then I went to Amherst, which was Communists, which
actually made me more. I was one of the few

(16:44):
people I remember seeing Justice Scalia's daughter. There was like
an on campus church service. There are very few of us.
I'm like, huh, like she's here, you know, she's cool.
There are very few of us, though, who would go
to church on campus. I was one of them. And
I want to get back to it now that I'm
a father and I think more about the future of
my family and also you know, the future like eternity

(17:06):
and everlasting life all that. So I'm trying to get
back to it. I'll be honest with you. I'm somebody
who has You know, my mother is very devout and
so she's probably listening.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Mom.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I bring
this up, Clay, just because I do think I have
feelings on I still have feelings on all this, right.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I don't claim to be an expert, but I have
feelings on it all.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think the Latin Mass would be really really meaningful
to a lot of people. I think that the traditions
of the church are in so many ways the strength
of the church and the anyway, that's my feeling. I
think liberalizing it no, no, no, actually not a good idea.
I think some of the liberal stuff that's gone on
with the church has been a bad idea. That all said,

(17:47):
that's one loss. The loss of Pope Francis the other
loss that the media is giving a lot of attention to.
Not quite as much as the Pope today because that
just happened, but Clay the loss from America of Abrego Garcia, Yes,
a very different Latin American fellow than Pope Francis, and

(18:08):
he is somebody that they have really decided to make
the symbol of Trump resistance right now very interesting to be.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
They haven't gone all in.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, the institutional Democrat apparatus is not all in
on Carmelo Anthony and the stabbing case and all this
they've that's online, you'll see that, and there's some activists,
local activists, But I think the mainstream Democrat party realizes
that this is not going to go well for them.
If they really get too into this, I think maybe

(18:40):
I'm wrong. They could turn it into another OJ you know,
celebrated case. We'll talk about that, but they've really gone
all in on Abrego Garcia. And here is Senator Van
Holland Clay from Maryland talking about this meeting with this
guy play fifteen.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
He said he was not afraid of the other prisoners
in his immediate sell, but that he was traumatized by
being at Seacott and fearful of many of the prisoners
in other cell blocks who called out to him and
taunted him in various ways. His conversation with me was

(19:18):
the first communication he'd had with anybody outside a prison
since he was abducted. He said he felt very sad
about being in a prison because he had not committed
any crimes.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Clay, you know, people pointed out, oh, I know, I know,
he's like a lost puppy. People have pointed out he
didn't even ask apparently, or wouldn't give an answer. Is
he a member of MS thirteen?

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Is he a part of this?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Did he beat his wife? She said he did. I
mean that seems kind of significant to me too. I
think we played the team can remind me if we
played it or not. I know I shared it on
social When you get grilled by Michael Straighthan on Good
Morning America and you can't answer a basic question of
whether she was fearful of him, this is so let's

(20:09):
talk about that Garcia. We said told you months ago,
this was what their focus is going to be. They
were going to find one person who was deported. They
were going to decide to make him the front facing
example of how unfair deportations were. But I do think
and they picked a poor example, right, an alleged wife beater.
As someone who was accused of human smuggling pulled over

(20:31):
in Tennessee. The Biden FBI said, hey, let him go.
Someone who has what appears to be MS thirteen gang
signed on his knuckles. If you looked at the picture
that that Donald Trump shared, the location of his arrest,
the people that he was consorting with at the time
of the arrest, all these things make him not a

(20:51):
particularly the fact that he's here illegally and no one
disputes it. All these things make him not a particularly
sympathetic plain effect of, we would say, or forward facing
client in this respect, but here is what's really going on.
What we're really seeing is Biden let in around ten
million illegals in four years. And we've had conversations about this, Buck.

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I remember during the election saying I thought that Trump
could shut down the southern border. The challenge was going
to be deporting massive amounts of illegals. And I was
talking with some people over the weekend and on a
pace right now, Trump is going to be able to
deport about three hundred and fifty thousand people. Okay, that

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means that it would take around thirty years of doing
this same pace to just deport the people that Biden
let in in the last four years. If you open
the floodgates and allow everybody in and you don't have
a mechanism by which the president can then deport massive

(21:56):
amounts of people as well, then effectively the Democrats win.
And that is I think what their calculus was all on, Buck.
I think they made the choice. Once we let these
people in, given the laws and given the roadblocks we
can put up to any deportation process, it's going to
become virtually impossible to ever get these people out. And

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this presumes that we even have a president who wants
to shut down the southern border, because the lesson here
is if they win in twenty twenty eight, they'll probably
wide open the southern border again and we'll have millions
more people coming in. I was reading this morning their
interviews with people who have decided not to come into
the United States where they said, hey, we just have

(22:40):
to wait for another Democrat president to be able to
do this again. And you'll remember, as soon as Biden
was elected, those caravans started in massive numbers. So what
Trump is trying to do?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Wait caravans.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
They were literally showing up with Biden keyth Biden T shirts. Yes,
and they're asked by reporters, hey, why are you here
because of Biden?

Speaker 3 (22:59):
They were telling us yes, because Biden wants us to come.
Was even some of the answers because that was the
way it was being told. So my point on this
is we're having a now legal battle over whether Trump
can expansively define illegal immigration and use that under hundreds
of year old laws to be able to deport people rapidly.

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We need Congress to act in this respect to make
it easier for people to be deported. The challenge is,
I suspect that Democrats would in many respects throw up
the filibuster, which remember they claimed was racist and antiquated
and didn't need to exist anymore. Now suddenly they're going
to use it abundantly against Trump in the Senate because

(23:43):
they only have forty seven seats. And so the Supreme
Court over the weekend to me, stepped in and issued
a stop order on the deportation of these violent criminals.
And I think they did it in a mechanism that
suggests that they may well restrict Trump's ability to be

(24:04):
able to rapidly deport people, which means these millions of
illegals are essentially here to stay.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
We just come back to this philosophical this philosophical reckoning
that I think a lot of Americans have had. You
cannot look at us and say the rule of law,
the constitution, due process only matters to prevent people from
being told to leave. Does not matter despite all of

(24:32):
the laws when it comes to they are arriving and
they are staying in violation of laws. Right, this can't
be a one way street situation, or else we don't
really have a country anymore. And I think that this
is also where this should be thought of this is
an emergency. The number of illegals who have come into
the country, and particularly those who have come in under Biden.

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This is a national emergency because we have seen the
serial violations of our sovereignty to such a degree that
it has eroded faith in.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
The rule of law.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
This is an enormous burden on the taxpayer, an enormous
burden on our social and political fabric. I mean, do
they speak English? Are they American? What makes them Americans?
Some of them have been here for a year or two. Well,
some people study abroad. If I study abroad in Australia,
am I in Ausie all of a sudden? By the way,
at least there I would speak the language. What if

(25:27):
I studied abroad in Tokyo and said, you know what, guys,
I'm as Japanese as all.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Of you, I'd be laughed at. Yes.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
But yet in this country, the Democrat Party has decided
that America is an idea. Now America is actually people.
It is three hundred and forty million people who are
supposed to be here who live in a place known
as America.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
But it is actually us. It's not just a land mass.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
This is not just a real estate transaction that we're discussing,
and Clay, I think that's where the reckoning comes from.
That's where people are just saying, hold on, honestly. Second,
so are we supposed to have multiple tiers, multiple levels
of review and jury trial and more review for every
person who's come here illegally the whole system. They've overwhelmed

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the system. They have flooded the system intentionally. And now
you're going to say, well, the system requires extra Why
I know the system requires This is an emergency. People
have to be told to go home and made to
go home. This is not their home, and that is
what the real battle is. The Garcia Fellow is the
front facing aspect of this, but make no mistake, they

(26:34):
are desperately trying to stop Trump from sending out people
who were illegally here.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
And there's lots of numbers floating around. We should probably
get Stephen Miller on again because he's the expert on
this to be able to just give us the facts.
But you'll see a lot of things on social media
about how many people were deported and deporters in chief
a lot of times buck they were counting I was
diving into this, they were counting people who were turned
away at the border.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
As b as deportations. Yes, I know they didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
They started that under Obama to create the impression that
he was the deporter in chief, so that he would
have more political capital to try to swindle Republicans with
the Gang of Eight bill, Remember the Senate Gang of
eight into an amnesty. It was oh, look Obama's serious
about border security. Look at the numbers. The numbers were
all fudged. The numbers were fake.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
It was a joke.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
In other words, it's important for you guys to think
about the difference between people here that are taken internally
and flown out and people who are stopped at the border.
Many of those numbers out there, they're counting people stopped
at the border as being deported, which is not really
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's not it's really a turnarway. And beyond that, clay
a lot of the people who are stopped at the
border and deported, you know what happens. They just go
west or they go east and they cross again. Right,
So people think, oh, problem solved. Look at all these
not problems solved. The problem getting better looking at these numbers. No,
they just if you're turned right back around. A lot
of these people have paid the paid the cartel coyotes,

(28:02):
they've done the human trafficking. You know, they've been a
part of that human trafficking pipeline. And they're just gonna
find another place to try to cross, and the next
time they'll probably get through.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Here's a question for you. Well, I'll get your answer
on the flip side. What do you think the actual
number of illegals in the country as we are speaking
today is? I want to get your no. I'm curious
what your number would be. I've got one that I've
got jotted down on the on my page. I won't
tell you what it is. We'll see what our numbers
are and see how close are number. We'll be like
rock paper scissors. We'll just go right the same time hereiod.

(28:34):
It'll be like the the the well, we don't know
the full number, but it's like the price is right
when everybody has to bid on what they think the
number is. I'll let the crew in studio New York City,
you guys also jot down on a piece of paper
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Speaker 4 (30:00):
Play Travis and Buck Sexton telling it like it is.
Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you
get your podcasts.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I want to jump into where the Democrats are, where
their leadership fit stands. All of that coming up here,
But first is to deal with this. There's a story
out there NPR reporting that there is already a process
underway to replace Pete hex as Secretary of Defense. I'm
not buying it. I don't believe it. I don't think

(30:28):
that's happening. Could be wrong, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I would.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I would place a considerable wager that Pete's going to
be just fine with this, especially based on what these
the the transgressions.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
That are listed in these reports.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
But I will say this, Clay, there there should be
a recognition I think there is with this White House
that if you give the media what they want on anything,
and they clearly really want this they've you've pointed out.
I'll give you full credit for this observation. I agree
with it that because I thought RFK Junior would get

(31:06):
far more because remember it's not just that he you
know that he's a guy who goes against the system
and Fouci and all this stuff, but he's also an
apostate from the Democrat Party, right, He's a He's a
refugee from liberalism at least on some issues, at least
as it pertains to health. He's not part of their system.

(31:29):
They have focused eighty percent of their cabinet ire on
Pete hag Seth All along.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, and by the way, it's not just RFK Junior.
Tulsea Gabbert did the same thing. I mean, she ran
for president as a Democrat in twenty twenty. Both of
them got confirmed. And I would say, you know, we're
coming up on one hundred days of the Trump presidency.
Compared to the amount of attacks that have come down
on Pete Hegseeth, it's it's pretty extraordinary how much the

(32:00):
fire has been focused on him. And I think one
of the reasons is because he wasn't in the cool
kids club in any way, because he was not a
long time Pentagon official. He didn't work his way up
that way. And I think there have been a lot
of people that were unhappy that Trump picked a proverbial outsider,

(32:24):
and they really lined up against him in a way
that frankly wasn't reflected in any other cabinet member. I mean,
he only got in because JD. Vans broke the tie
fifty to fifty. There were three Republicans who decided to
vote against him, and nearly it came down to North
Carolina senator whether or not he was going to get
confirmed or not. And they haven't really relented on him since.

(32:48):
Every story that has been written about him in The
New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, the usual suspects,
they've all been negative. Now one single positive story's been written.
I'll get you one that's actually hugely positive. The amount
of people that want to serve in our armed forces
since Pete Hegseth became Defense Secretary has skyrocketed. They may

(33:09):
not like the fact that he's out working out with
guys all over the world that are in our armed forces,
but I think having a youthful Defense secretary actually connects
with a lot of eighteen to twenty four year old.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Dudes out there.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I think saying hey, we're going to hire people and
we want you to kick the bad guys ass, I
think that's a lot more appealing than find your gender
identity in the Marines, right. I mean, I think most
of the young guys and gals that they are hiring them,
want to serve our country, want to kick ass.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's what their goal is.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
And as is so often the case when it comes
to opposition to the Trump administration, play success for Secretary
of Defense Hegseth. While good for the country, democrats view
it as bad for them. And so if he were
able to continue on this pathway to your point about
making the military much more like the perception that the

(34:06):
military was putting out. Do you remember remember some of
the commercials, yes for the Marines when you were growing up,
and I remember seeing this and that, you know, they
had the they had the marine dress dress uniform on
and the sword, and you're like, this is badass. I
think I might want to be a marine, right, some
of the army ads that you would see.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I wanted to be a fighter pilot after Top Gun
Buck they leaned in. I think they've done a good
job with Top Gun Maverick. But when I was five
or six and Top Gun the original came out, how
could you watch that movie as a kid and not
want to be a jet fighter pilot?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, you definitely have the humility to be a fighter pilot.
Where you go, that's right, that's right. You know, you
know how you know who a fighter pilot is right
when he walks in the room, he'll tell you. So
I got I got to father in law jokes, I
got to you know.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Did you see did you see the this is funny?
Did you see the story that went viral where the
pilot uh post saw an Instagram influencer and he just
did you see the story and went megaviral. He just
wrote a note and it just said you are the
most beautiful girl I've seen in a very long time
on a note on like a napkin and just put

(35:11):
it down with her and wrote like Ben or whatever
his name was, no phone number, no nothing else, And
it just rocked the Instagram influencers world. She's like, some
random pilot just dropped this note on my you know,
like they were at like a restaurant or bar in
the airport, and it went megaviral. Millions of people saw
it and everybody was like, that's a pilot life. You know,

(35:33):
like these guys just have unbelievable self confidence. They just
roll right up to gorgeous girls, drop a note, don't
even give their phone number, just keep walking. Anyway, this
thing went megaviral and I think ties in with that.
I don't think they like, By the way, would you
want an unconfident person piloting and a fighter jet.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Would you want.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Somebody who's like, ah, I think I'm okay at it?
Or do you want somebody who's like, hey, just get
in kickback, I got you. I want somebody who's pretty
confident about flying a jet.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well, the person you want driving the plane, flying the
plane when you're in it is a person who wants
to be in that seat when stuff gets tough, right,
that's whatever you want. The person who goes by the way,
I don't want a surgeon who's like, I think I'm
pretty good. You know, sometimes I get the wrong ventricle
crossed up on the hearts. No, I want somebody who's like,

(36:23):
I am God's gift to surgery.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yes, I got your brother, don't worry. That's what I
want to kid.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
But I see this from content on like TikTok and Instagram.
There's these these different characteristics of medical specialties, and you know,
cardiac and brain surgeons in particular, just like Hi, I'm God,
nice to meet you.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
And you know what a lot of those guys also
learn how to be pilots because I think they have
like that idea that they are uniquely skilled and it
probably is the same mindset that translates to flying a
plane that operating on a heart would would require.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
I think many respects.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yes, well, our friend Pete Hegseth also does not lack
for confidence, and he is the Secretary of Defense right
now and he has according to Caroline Levitt, this has
cut one fully standing behind Pete Hegseth at this point.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Just play this for everybody.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
The President stands strongly behind Secretary Hegseth, who is doing
a phenomenal job leading the Pentagon.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
And this is what happens when the.

Speaker 7 (37:24):
Entire Pentagon is working against you and working against the
monumental change that you are trying to implement. Secretary Heigswifth
Hegseth was nominated for this position because he is standing
up for the war fighter, the men and women in
uniform who are putting their lives on the line to
protect our country and our homeland. And unfortunately, there have
been people at that building who don't like the change

(37:47):
the Secretary is trying to bring. So they are leaking
and they are lying to the mainstream media. We've seen
this game played before. The secretary is doing a tremendous
job and the president stands strongly behind him.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I don't see that swerving, changing walk back. I don't
think they're gonna put Caroline out there. First of all,
she's probably talked to Trump about this just a few
minutes before making that statement, And look at it. It is
the pleasure of the president, right, So you're you gotta
be in the mind of the man to know. But
we know Trump pretty well and I don't think he
sees anything here that requires The only thing that would

(38:21):
get Pete canned would be disloyalty to the mission or
disloyalty to Trump. To me, that's the you know, if
he did either of those things, and by the way,
then we would say, yeah, no, he's got to go.
I don't know what happened, but neither of those things.
Pete would solve his own arm before either of those
things happened.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I also think Trump learned a lesson in the first
term on many different levels, but one of them was
it doesn't end if he said, Okay, Pete, hegseth, I'm
gonna remove him. We're going to have a new defense secretary.
It's not like the media and the people who are
attacked him would suddenly say, Okay, you know, we're comfortable.

(39:02):
The analogy I would make is, and I've been making.
I've been on this for years. You can never change
a team name because nobody ever says, once you change
that team name, hey you know what we're done now.
So the Redskins name changes, the Indians name changes, They're
not satisfied. They don't say, okay, well this is good,
we're back to normal now. They say the Kansas City
Chiefs have to go, the Atlanta Berets have to go.

(39:24):
They always need a new target. So if you are Trump,
my advice to him would be, if you like the
people you picked, which it seems he did and does,
why in the world would you let people who don't
have your best interest at heart in any way encourage
you to change the choices that you have made so far.

(39:44):
And I think he learned that. I think he had
a little bit of Hey, you know, I'll play kate
my critics. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll make a
shift here. If heg Seth's gone, who's next man up?
It's either RFK Junior or it's Tulsi. They come with
them guns blazing every day. Well, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
He knows.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Trump knows all too well that if he were to
replace his secretary of Defense this early, and especially a
secretary of Defense who has been so closely associated with
loyalty to the president and his mission, the headline of
the New York Times is not Donald Trump in an
about face and a moment of reasonableness and government, you know,

(40:25):
government acumen or efficiency, decided to make a decision that
we all agree with. Perhaps we'll see a new No, it's,
you know, showing what disorder there is in the Trump administration.
Trump has to toss out a secretary of defense.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
This is just the beginning. There's so many more who
need to go. You know.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
It's it just lights their fire man, it just turns.
It just makes them feel like they got one. And
that's the.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
This is the lesson that I'll say.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Also, a lot of people learn during the whole cancelation
era of oh if I apologize or if I bend
the knee, oh no, you've ben the need apology. Guys,
then you're fired and you're never allowed to work again.
In your industry. There is no attempt at goodwill or reasonableness.
You can't negotiate with these people. This is why my

(41:12):
lesson that I've taken from this, and sometimes Buck gets
drawn into it, is you don't like something that I
did or said, I'm gonna double or triple down on
what I did or said that you don't like, because
I think that's the only way you can handle these people.
If they think that they can get you to step
back or not continue to say exactly what you think,

(41:32):
they will take advantage of you.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
They're not good actors. They're not reasonable people. Reasonable people
you come together and you say, Okay, you might not
agree with this, like, let's have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
This is what most of America is like.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
But the people trying to cancel you, the people who
want hag Seth gone, they are not the people out
there that are behaving in good faith. And I think
Trump had to learn that because I think there's a
part of Trump and I bet you would sign off
on this two Buck that actually does want to be liked.
You know, he's trying to get people to like him more.
And I think in his first term he thought, oh,

(42:05):
maybe they have a point. Maybe if I try to
work with them, they will be more, they'll be fairer.
And then they try to get you know, they try
to put in prison for the rest of the life
guy to kill him. And it's over right, like this
attempt to in some way make them happy.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
He's done with it.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, And I think that this is one of the
major lessons from the first administration for Trump, which was
you know, I'm not talking about some of the lower
level people that had to get fired like Scaramuci and
some of this stuff, but also those are people who
just happen to be around and they were staffing up fast.
These picks that Trump has put in place, this is

(42:42):
his team, he vetted. He knows these people individually, he
knows what they're trying to accomplish. And so this isn't oh,
we just needed to grab somebody and someone else said
this guy was good. This is I'm going to feed
one of my people to the angry mob and he's
not gonna do it, I'm telling you, and it's not

(43:03):
going to happen. This is I think this is fake
news from NPR, which shouldn't be getting any of our money.
By the way, I think we should tee off on
this even more than we do. The government doesn't pay us.
We got the biggest radio show in the country. The
government's not paying Sean Hannity, government's not playing Glenn Beck,
Jesse Kelly, all the people that are a part of
our premier network. And somehow we're meeting you, Me and

(43:25):
everybody else out there that pays taxes. We're paying for NPR,
which exists to be the opposition to this show. It
doesn't make any sense at all.

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It's crazy.

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Speaker 1 (45:39):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
We were talking about Democrats and the possibility of AOC
as a new leader of the Democrat Party. Clay is
both somewhat dismissive of this prospect, but I think also
enthusiastic if it were to happen, because he thinks AOC
is going to be easy for our to handle and

(46:00):
deal with. But let's let's get in sience. First of all,
there's clearly an issue that the Democrats have right now,
as all the polling shows. It's not just that Trump
is getting it done and so far it's been a
really solid administration. It is that the Democrats are keep
using the word in disarray. The Democrats are in a

(46:24):
rough spot. Play twenty three.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
I'll think the message the Cournchlan Democratic Party is a
good beasts. The problem we've got is that we have
to depend upon the media to deliver it. If we
have the Washington Post, for instance, giving to this want
to be dictated, and we've got other media entities that
seem to rather push a narrative that we're bringing eyes

(46:50):
to the newspapers or to their television sets and not
really give a fear sharing or reporting to what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Now, the media component of this.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
First of all, the fact that he's saying the media
is not rigged enough in our favor anymore basically is accurate,
but also really funny that he is making that case.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
But so this is where I want to weigh on
the AOC point of things. The legacy media. He's saying, oh,
the media is not in on no what he's picking
up on what Jim clyburn is referring to. He's seeing
a shift, but he's misdiagnosing the shift. It's not that
the media isn't as on the Democrat team. It's that
the legacy what we used to call the mainstream media,

(47:39):
you know, the Democrat aligned corporate media, the three letter
non Fox networks, the biggest newspapers in the country, the
Sunday talk shows, right, they all no longer have the
ability to influence the conversation the way they used to,
even on the Republican side, but in general, and certainly

(48:01):
on the Democrats side, they don't set the agenda for
the nation the way that things used to be. So
what he's feeling or he's saying, is, oh, they're not
as on our side. It's no, They're just not as
effective as they used to be. They don't matter as
much as they used to. So this is where I
think AOC comes in. I understand people are gonna say
that AOC is an idiot communist and that she will

(48:25):
be a mess for the Democrats, and I don't disagree
with some of that assessment, but she can just change
what she has said in the past. I think that
we're in an era now where people are no longer
really tied to what they said yesterday in nevermind what
they said a few years ago. Politically and Clay, she
has online what do they say? What do the kids say?

Speaker 5 (48:45):
Now?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Riz, which is short I believe for charisma. She's got
the RIZ, She's got aura. She is able to command
massive attention and interest in the online ecosystem, which is
now a much bigger part of the media apparatus than
ever before. That is my pitch to you for why

(49:07):
they change what she says. They make her seem slightly
less insane. She's, you know, looks good on camera. She's
a Latin female boom or Latin American female boom.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I think her problem is Democrats are not going to
go with a woman because they saw what happened to Hillary,
they saw what happened to Kamala. I think they have
gotten burned twice by women. Who did they win with
Joe Biden. This old white guy I think they will

(49:40):
find looking ahead to twenty eight, AOC as a vice
presidential nominee I think could make sense. I think they
will find, interestingly enough, an old white guy or a
Barack Obama like young male, young ish. Right, we're talking
about politic where if you're forty five, this is this

(50:02):
is the more the westmore more theory.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
To me, those are the two. It's you know that either.
So to me that the decision the Democrats are making,
Clay is are they going to build? And remember, this
is going to be a process. Right, So to what
you're saying about with with AOC, it doesn't even have
to just be who's the president of four years Clay.
I mean, who's going to be the primary voice of
the Democrats going into the midterms, right, who's the leader

(50:26):
now or soon?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Here's the other thing. Remember that the DNC basically said, Bernie,
you're not going to be the guy. Bernie is now
trying to deputize AOC as the next generation leader. I
think we know one hundred year old man thing is
not actually a good look in politics. We did learn
that from Biden. You can be you can in fact
be too old for this job. I think the Democrat

(50:50):
party elites do not like AOC, and so I think
they will line up in some way eventually, much like
they suddenly the Party.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Of Democracy actually just picks people. Right.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Obama got past Hillary even though she had all the
advantages in eight But he's the exception. Most of the time,
they say, hey, you're the guy or you're the gal,
and Democracy be damned. James Cliburn, who you just played.
Remember Obama came out, sorry, Biden came in, I believe,

(51:26):
fifth in Iowa, fourth in New Hampshire, second in Nevada.
And then suddenly James Clyburn said it's Biden because everybody
was afraid it was otherwise going to be Bernie. It
doesn't get talked about enough, but Bernie probably would have
been the pick of the Democrat Party but for the
rigging in sixteen and the choice that he's too radical

(51:50):
in twenty they okay, so let me let me just
throw this out there, though I think put us Oude
the age going at the last few Democrats, last few
Democrat cycles, last few elections. Bernie was a progressive, really
a socialist maybe a communist, who ran as such, and
that was the problem for him. What Democrats want is

(52:13):
they want Obama. They want a socialist who pretends at
election time to be more reasonable on economics or more
centrists on these different things. If AOC pivots and says,
you know, oh it is my progressive youth, doesn't have
to say that.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
But no, that will be the perception. Oh she was
such a progressive, but now she's moving toward the center.
That to me is the way that the Democrats get
because the Democrats for them to win a national election.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Look at it.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
The Joe Biden. Oh he's good old Biden. He's a centrist,
he's a monor. You can trust him. And then you
got a communication from the White House saying we need
to protect trans surgery for eight year olds or ten
year olds. I mean he was insane. Okay, you got
far left policy out of a Biden White House. But
Biden was the facade to fool people. The trojan horse AOC,
if she positions properly, in my mind, can be the

(53:05):
same thing. The progressives know that she's actually a kami.
But she'll present, she'll go on with Stefanopalopolis and she'll
say that, oh no, I believe in a free market
economy too, and you know, the usual headfake. That's how
I see it playing out.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
I got off the AOC bus. You may remember this
because you were in New York at the time. Do
you remember when she opposed Amazon's new headquarters in Queen's
I think it was in.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
On Island City, A big headquarters are. Yeah. I have
family that have a that lived there, so I know
all about it.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
And when she opposed it, she didn't even understand the
concept of how tax rebates worked. She thought that taxpayers
were giving billions of dollars in cash to Amazon, and she.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Torpedoed that entire deal. Am I remembering correctly?

Speaker 3 (53:49):
They were going to build a big headquarters in New
York City and in DC, and then she said no,
and they basically just are building I believe in northern
Virginia a big Amazon on East coast headquarters to go
along with their West Coast headquarters. She destroyed all that.
So my concern as I were looking at this is

(54:10):
Hillary got beaten. But Hillary's not a moron. Kamala I
think was a moron in that Kamala could not elucidate
in an intelligent way what she actually supported because she
just tripped all over herself. I think AOC is closer
to Kamala than she is to Hillary.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
And so is.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Biden a moron? Yes, okay, he was president. He was president.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
He's an old white guy, and the data reflected that
there were enough old white people who didn't see him
as a threat. This is something you got right in
the Midwest that I think will see AOC as more
of a threat, much like they saw Kamala as more
of a threat to their overall lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
In order to.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Get a Communist in the White House, you have to
hide him. They're able to hide Biden because I don't
think Biden knew what he believed in anymore. But he
had that moderate history, and they basically just kind of
hit him. They put him in the basement, and they
ran him as generic old white guy candidate. I don't
know who the generic old white guy candidate could be

(55:17):
in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
But it may be somebody. Look at Obama, you don't
have to be a white I mean, you don't have
to be an old white guy.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Motivated minority voters in a way that was unique, which
is why I think the Wes Moore analogy applies. I
think if Wes Moore were talented, then I think he
could be a charismatic, younger generation leader. I think AOC
is more aligned with Kamala and Hillary, and I just
don't think they will pick a woman based on going
over too with women.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Well, I for one, Clay, they want to shadow that
glass ceiling, and they haven't given up the dream until
I think that. Look, if somebody said, and maybe there's
a way I can do this, like put money on
a ticket right now, to me, it's probably Wes Moore
at the top the ticket with aocs VP. But I
still think that that AOC in the meantime is a

(56:05):
far more important part of the Democrat resistance because Wes
Moore can play that role in politics of the all
American guy kind of a mind. It doesn't matter what
he really is on policy, right, they'll just say whatever.
This is the same thing with Obama. Obama was a
radical state senator, radical leftist. Obama was the most left

(56:26):
wing senator in the United States Senate when he ran
for president, and they were you know then he gave
flowery speeches and everyone. Oh, so they can do the
same thing, I think with Wes Moore. So to me
it would be Wes Moore at the fault of the
ticket and AOC at the bottom of the ticket. But
I just think that if you're looking for a leader
of the resistance, Bernie too old, I mean Pelosi too old.

(56:48):
These people are just no, they no longer have resonance
with the broader electorate. They all look like they should
be spending time with their great grandkids. One thing that
isn't getting very much attention. But I think you know
who hasn't been very outspoken about this, Abreo Garcia, Dude, the.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Governor of Maryland. You got the senator getting on a
plane going to El Salvador. Wes Moore is the governor
of Maryland. If he were trying to tack towards the left,
wouldn't he be on a plane to El Salvador El
Salvador about He could be the lead. He could be
the a bloc, first guest on every non Fox, you know,

(57:29):
left wing cable news show and have a front page,
you know, a top of the fold editorial in the
New York Times in an instant. If he wanted to
go in on this subject in a heavy way.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
He's not. I think that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
The other thing you you've talked about, how I trust
football fans sports fans more than non sports fans. It's
a cigaret handshake. I think this guy is not a
fake sports fan. He's a big Baltimore Ravens fan. He's
got a military background. I saw a video of him
teal Gating, and he didn't look like Tim Wall's doing

(58:03):
spirit fingers. He just seemed like a normal dude who
liked to go have a beer, have a hot dog maybe,
and get ready for a game. Sports fans can tell
whether you're fake or not because a lot of politicians
want to appear to.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Be regular guys.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
The fact that he's not getting all involved in this
El Salvador thing super interesting to me, because to your point,
he could be on every television show in the country
talking about it. I think maybe he's smarter politically than
he has been given credit for. He can ride above
the fray as a popular governor and then parachute in
to the twenty twenty eight race as a relatively normal dude.

(58:41):
I also know, you know what else, Buck, he actually
has a pretty good relationship with Trump, which would surprise people.
I think he has been very happy to meet with Trump,
call him be at his public events. I think that
he's smarter than a lot of people are giving him
credit for, and a lot of people don't know it yet.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I've said all I think that he's I think he's
the likeliest guy right now to be the standard bearer
for the Democrats in the next election. But that's different
than who is the leader of the resistance. Between now
and the mid terms, let's say, and I think you're
just going to see more and more of AOC and
that actually may play to his favor, to Wes Moore's
favor in the general, just because he doesn't have to.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
You know, stay out of his hand, stay out of
the fray Man.

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(59:46):
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