May 8, 2025 • 60 mins
A deal with the UK
President Trump's announcement of a significant trade deal with England, which has positively impacted the stock market. The hosts emphasize the stock market's recovery and the importance of holding onto investments during volatile times.
Ron Johnson on the Big Beautiful Bill
Senator Ron Johnson joins the show to discuss the budget and spending cuts, expressing concerns about the federal government's spending levels and the need for significant reductions. The hosts and Senator Johnson emphasize the importance of returning to pre-pandemic spending levels and the challenges in achieving meaningful cuts.
Biden on ‘The View’ and a New Pope!
Joe Biden's appearance on The View, where he addresses various topics, including the decline in financial support for the Biden family business and his thoughts on the 2020 election results. Biden claims he would have beaten Trump, despite Trump winning key battleground states and making significant inroads with various demographics.
The hosts critique Biden's delusional statements and discuss the media's portrayal of his presidency. They highlight Biden's comments on sexism as a reason for Kamala Harris's loss in the 2024 election, emphasizing the disconnect between Biden's narrative and reality.
Breaking news interrupts the show as the hosts announce the election of Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost as Pope Leo the 14th, the first American-born Pope. They delve into his background, noting his Chicago roots, education at Villanova, and his work in Peru. The hosts express excitement about this historic event and discuss the implications for American Catholics and the broader Catholic Church.
The first-ever American Pope
Cardinal Robert Prevost becomes the first American pope, choosing the name Leo XIV. The guys dive into the choice, look at his past political statements, and what kind of Pope he may be.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome inn. It is the Thursday edition. Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. A lot of different breaking news, many different fronts.
We're going to try to keep you updated on everything.
Let me hit you right off the top. Columbia University
major protests as the library was taken over last night,
(00:22):
lots of people arrested. It seems like there might finally
be some consequences for these crazy looney bin college protesters.
We will discuss that story with you just now. I
believe he is still speaking in the White House, Trump
announcing a major trade deal with England that has sent
(00:42):
stocks soaring yet again. You've noticed probably that as the
stock market has been increasing, suddenly there is no reference
to the stock market. I believe I'm correct in this
on CNN and on MSNBC. Stock Mart get SMP five
hundred up one point three percent.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Now this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And to kind of put that in context, all of
the collapse in stock prices that happened in April has
been eradicated. If you bought near the low, you are
approaching a twenty percent increase in your value.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
If you just held on like we told all of
you to do.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Channeling Warren Buffett don't overreact, don't let MSNBC and CNN
drive you bonkers. You are essentially, as I am speaking
to you right now, stocks are at the exact same
valuation they were right before Trump was elected president, exact
same price as they were on November fourth. So we
(01:46):
have effectively basically got stocks right where they were when
Trump was elected. All of that matters because Trump is
right now speaking. He said, hey, you know what, if
we could actually get the Fed to cut interest rates,
we would have even faster growth coming forward. But I
(02:07):
think the attack on Trump for stock prices is going
to go the way of the attack on Trump for
kil maar a brao Garcia. That is, it's going to
vanish and they're going to pretend they never said it
ever in the past, which is a good sign. Yes,
you know, kill Mark Abrego Garcia. They're running out of
(02:29):
room on that one. He's not a human trafficker, He's
a homo sapien entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Even yeah, it's very funny.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Even Buck they've stopped referring to him as a Maryland
dad and they're now calling him an El Salvadoran. Even
the legacy media is like, well, maybe this guy wasn't
just a Maryland dad, he was in fact a human trafficker,
according to multiple reports. Now they used to have the ability,
and I mean they had it, really, they had it
until this last election. At some level. I think it's
(02:58):
truly gone now. Clay were they could force feed a
narrative and make Trump and his team play defense no
matter how crazy, no matter how wrong, how big the lie.
They just can't really do that anymore. The opposition that
the counter punch from Trump, from this White House, from
the media, from this show, from other big shows out
(03:19):
there that are doing great work, the CounterPunch is too
much for them now. So they again it's not just
they have no messaging as a party. Their ability to
force feed messaging is not what it used to be
by a long shot. Okay, Biden on the View will
have some cuts for that. We're gonna play cuts for
Trump in the White House talking about the new deal
(03:41):
with Great Britain. But I am told there is also
white smoke, meaning we now have a new pope. We
do not yet. I'm scrolling through social media to try
to catch up with the absolute latest. We do not
yet have a name. Is that correct team? The name
has not lead of the new pope, but the white
(04:02):
smoke is now out over the Vatican City and we
are going to end up with a new pope. I
would imagine in short order we will have a name
of the new Pope and we will see whether or
not we have any any knowledge to share with you
of the new popes. Okay, a bunch of different things
(04:25):
out there, let's start with this. I mentioned the stock
market is surging and the news stories out there as
everyone is preparing for the new pope. But we'll get
you that. In the meantime, Trump with the Prime Minister
of Great Britain, they are breaking down everything having to
(04:46):
do with this new deal. And I want to start
with cut one. Trump announcing a brand new trade deal
between America and the UK.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
This is a very special day because it's victory day
World War two May eighth, and just by happenstance, we
have the Prime Minister on the phone and we were
great allies in that and it's very unusual that the
trade deal comes to and we signed it up on
the same day that we had a great victory, the
greatest victory of them all. So we are talking more
(05:14):
and more about victory day because we were a big
part of it, and so was the UK, and it's just,
I guess, I don't know what you call it. It's
just incredible that that day is the same day that
we signed a tremendous trade deal for both countries.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, that we should mention as well eightieth anniversary of
victory in Europe day, one of the greatest days in
the history of Western civilization. Frankfully Thankfully cut four is
the British ambassador to the US, praising Trump for getting
this new trade deal done.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Listen to that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You've done what you said you would do. You said
to the Prime Minister when he came and we visited
in the Oval, that you would do a good trade
deal with the United Kingdom, that you would do it
at pace, and that we would be first. And you
have delivered that.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, you've been true to your words.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So thank you very much indeed for that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So that is the resolution we're going to have. We
told you this was going to happen. You can criticize Trump,
but did anybody really think that he was not going
to allow the stock market to flourish? I mean, this
is of all the criticisms of Trump maybe the most
ludicrous out there. I would suspect buck. And we have
told people this would be likely happening. We will see
(06:37):
in short order rapid rollouts of a variety of different
major new trade agreements that will ultimately lead to the
US and China being on an island squaring each other
off as it pertains to the trade related battles. And
I think that's going to be decided. I predicted by August.
(06:58):
So the markets are increasingly becoming it seems to me
cognizant of that fact. And we hope you held onto
your stocks. Then if you bought any down down in
the gully, you are, you're walking really strong today. Well,
do we have to start getting you to do at
least a segment of the show with like French cuffs
(07:18):
and suspenders and maybe a monogrammed dress shirt on, you know,
like old school Wall Street guys, Gordon Gecko a La
Wall Street, which is a movie that holds up, by
the way, fantastic. Yes, Clay, you gave everyone very good advice.
The advice is bet on America, and Trump knows what
he's doing. If we were to summarize this right, I
think that's fair. I think America and Trump knows what
(07:40):
he's doing. And I think that those simple, straightforward principles,
almost Warren Buffett like in their truism and their simplicity,
have have shown that everyone need there's no need for panic.
Anything like that was absurd. But it also shows you
that a lot of the people who are supposed to
be making a living telling you what's going on in
the market have no idea what the heck they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yees, oh my gosh, you know all the hedge fund
money's out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh yeah, trust me, the hedge funds have to chase
returns or else people put their money somewhere else, So
they're not just going to take the money out of
the market and sit on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, So that all is to the good.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And we still don't have the name of the pope,
the new Pope, which is exciting for all of us
who are Catholic. I've got to figure out, Clay, how
to get my son baptist? Are your kids baptized? I
got to figure out how to get my.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Boy bapt Well, you get sprinkled right in the Catholic faith.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, don't you get sprinkled? Is that like a
special thing and you just get baptized. It's like pour
water over the head. No. No, baptism, no, no, no, no.
Baptism is like old school, like you have to be dunk.
You know, you don't got babies. You don't dunk babies. No,
you sprinkled, you sprinkled the babies. Oh yeah, the Baptists
back in the day. I got Yeah, I got fully immersed.
(08:54):
Oh of course.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Baby Clay. They don't. They don't like throw it in
the river and see what happens. Yeah we know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, no, no, I'm saying, but there is no full immersion
in the Catholic faith, right, like you never put on
like walking you know, waiting boots and uh and go
in and get fully immersed under the water. You're really
putting me on on the there's so many listening who
know more about this than me. When I was in
Jesuit school, theology at Regis was a real course that
people failed, Like you had to actually do homework. It
(09:20):
wasn't something it wasn't like an extra recess period. It
was basically church history and theology, I mean, uh, and
doctrine rather in theology class. And yeah, it's been a
little while since the Jesuit.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, Look, in the Baptist church there is a water
like a pool behind the choir and during the actual ceremony. Now,
I'm assuming that some of these churches don't have an
actual swimming pool in them, and you go out to
a local river or whatever else. But the church that
I went to, first Baptist Church, Goodlettsville, Tennessee, still there
(09:55):
you got fully immersed in the actual Uh, in the
actual ceremony. I mean you would be up there the
uh you get dunked, you go under water being full immersion.
Were you Were you ever in the choir? No, I'm
told you got out because of your flute playing. Right
Like you got a flute playing.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I told you this.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I was in chorus in in high school and they
told me not to sing. So I announced, I announced
the songs that the that my high school choral group
would sing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I'm tone deaf. I'm not allowed other than my
flute playing, which is, you know, beautiful and majestic and
angel like. I don't really have any musical talents. Also,
also tell you, guys, as we're sitting here looking at
some of the exciting trade deal information, Uh, the the
win of a big trade deal with the UK. There's
more of these coming and it's all right, and the
(10:50):
thing is clear. There's momentum to this because you get
one big one done, well okay, everyone knows another big
one can happen and the next on the list. And
Trump has made this clear all along. You come forward,
you want to make a deal, now, that's great. You
want to be a pain in the butt like China,
and you want to force our hand and you want
to make things tough. It's gonna be rougher on you
down the line. So the incentive is to get a
(11:11):
deal going here, which makes sense for everybody. And I
think that that means, Look, the market's already showing that
people are feeling like, okay, there is a way through this,
there is a way forward that actually is better or
rather it is going to improve things, and that's great.
We've also got some phenomenal guests today. We have a
stacked show of guests, so we wanted to give you
a quick preview of that. Twelve thirty so that's coming
(11:33):
up here Eastern time, coming up here in about twenty minutes.
We've got Senator Ron Johnson is going to be with us.
Then second hour we have the would be now withdrawn
US attorney. He was acting US attorney for DC Ed Martin. Look,
we want to talk to him, you know, we want
to chat with him about what happened here and why
did Tom Tillis stand in the way. Trump has also
(11:55):
spoken on that. We can give you the latest update
on that. And then our friend former Navy seal Dave Rutherford,
we'll be talking to us in the third hour. Got
some great things to dive into with him. So we've
got a rock and show today. But top of the
show victory for Trump, big trade deal. And I haven't
gotten to the deportation numbers yet, which Tom Homan has shared,
which are looking very strong for the first hundred days.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Again, I've already been excommunicated from the Faith for talking
about this. But the gambling markets tell us that Pietro
Perolin is going to be the next Pope. His odds
in the live gambling markets have skyrocketed to suggest. I've
not seen any say official wanted pizza Bagel because Pope
pizza Bagel sounded like that was gonna be a lot
(12:39):
of fun. Pizza ball would have been. It would have
sold a lot of T shirts and my wife said
she was rooting for him. But Pietro Perolin, who was yesterday,
we talked with Raymond Royo. Maybe Raymond can call us
today from inside of Vatican City because his predictions that
it was going to happen pretty quickly appear correct. But
he has The Pietro pair is now a massive favorite,
(13:02):
So we'll see if the betting markets know what they're
talking about as the actual pope.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The white smoke is out.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
A pope has been elected, but we do not know
exactly which one has been announced yet. We'll be bringing
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Speaker 1 (15:01):
Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, lots to dive into with him.
Appreciate him as always hopping on the show with us,
and let's start right here off the top. Senator, a
lot of discussion that the so called big beautiful Bill
will be done by Memorial Day. What can you tell
us about the progress?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
What do you like? What do you not like about
the bill so far?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Cool? Guys, Well, I hate to be the skunk in
the room. Let me let me give you some numbers.
Twenty nineteen, we spend four point four trillion dollars this year,
We'll spend a little over seven trillion. That's a fifty
eight percent increase. Over the next ten years, CBO estimates
we will spend a whopping eighty nine point three trillion
(15:48):
dollars and grow our debt by almost twenty two trillion dollars.
So what the House is working on right now is
a spending reduction. It sounds big, of one point five
trillion dollars dollars, but you compare that to eighty nine
point three that's one point six eight percent reduction one
point five trillion versus eighty nine point three trillion. And
(16:10):
by the way, the way normally these spending reductions occur,
they occur in the out years when there's the probability
that they'll never be actually realized. Now in more serious times.
During World War two, spending increased five hundred seventy eight percent, okay,
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ten times that amount, But within seven years the started
World War two, we were back down to a lower
spending levels. Percent of GDP it had been I think
eleven point seven percent went down to eleven point four
percent because they realized this so once in a lifetime
occurrence is extraordinary. We had to increase spending for World
War Two, but then we came back down to pre
(16:51):
war spending level. What happened in the federal governments we
went from four point four to six point five and
we've never looked back. I don't know of a family
who would if they had an illness and they had
to borrow fifty thousand dollars to pay for medical bills.
If that family member got well, they would keep borrowing
fifty thousand dollars and spending that level. That's exactly what
the federal government's doing. So again, we have to return
(17:15):
to a reasonable pre pandemic level. I've been in the
White House now twice with the Finance Committee, the Budget Committee.
It seem like President Trump was on board of that.
Plus now only returned to a reasonable pre pandemic level,
which kind of the top figure there is about six
point five trillion versus seven trillion we're spending right now.
But also have a process to achieve and maintain it.
(17:35):
And by the way, Elon Musk has shown us how
to do it, line by line, contract by contract. You
have to take the time and do the work. So
I've always been in favor of a multi step process.
Provide the border funding, the defense funding. By the way,
in the Senate bill, we would have reduced spending by
eight hundred and fifty billion dollars, more than half what
the House is try and achieve right now, just in
(17:56):
that first reconciliation bill. Then come back step to make
sure that we take in automatic massive tax increase off
the table. Just extend current tax law. We could have
already had that done, but now we're in this, you know,
then we could be working on the big, old complex,
messy negotiations in terms of getting spending down and also
(18:19):
fulfilled President Trump's promises and you know things like no cash,
no tax on. I would say cash tips would be
a pretty good thing to do. But again, we're involved
in this great, big bill. Beauty's in the eye of
the beholder, and right right now, there's enough, Senators, I
can tell you that that's not going to pass. If
that's all the spending reduction we're going to realize.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
All right, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us and
that detailed assessment of what is in the big beautiful bill.
How much of the cuts I mean, I'm trying to
remember the numbers off and here you said we're at
a seven trillion dollar spending pre pandemic would be six
point five trillion, So that's a five hundred billion dollars,
a five hundred billion dollar gap or differential that we
(19:02):
have to address here. What would be the cuts that
would make up that five hundred billion. Is a lot
of this or any of this driven by the Doge recommendations?
And why sorry a lot of questions her center, and
why aren't other Republicans going along with this?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
What's what's happening here, Well, let me tell you what
I'm scratching my head about. So, so Elon Musk, by
the way, brilliant doose. What Trump and Elon did with
Doze was brilliant. They've exposed all this waste for aud abuse.
By the way, they've also exposed how clueless and oblivious
we all are in terms of waste for an abuse.
(19:40):
So they've shown how to do it. The problem is
we're not codifying it, you know, the way you codified
the discretion side of what DOZE finds us through recision packages.
Anything they find on the mandatory side that i would
be loaded into reconciliation. I'm not aware of any recommendations
of dose savings through reconciliation through other mandatories. And in
(20:00):
terms of decisions, we've been hearing about a drum roll here,
underwhelming nine billion dollars. Now Elon has been saying they've
been uncovering about four point five billion dollars a day.
They're head of pace because he said about a trillion dollars,
you know, by the end of the fiscal year. So
they've been in office one hundred days four point five billion.
That's four hund and fifty billion dollars, and they're talking
(20:23):
about a recision package of an underwhelming nine billion dollars,
which apparently is being held up because there's resistance here
in the House of the Senate. I mean, go figure.
So again, Unfortunately, we have big spenders in our party.
And listen, I ran in twenty ten because we were
more sure at Hildren's future. We were fourteen trillion dollars
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in debt. Now we're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt.
And again, what we're talking about is adding another twenty
trillion dollars to that debt. Even if we pass a
big beautiful bill again and let me add as I
do the math, this one big beautiful bill would actually
increase the deficit.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It wouldn't decrease.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
It actually increase the deaficit.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
But where are the spending cuts? Kind of you. You
gotta remember, for a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Of us, it's literal, it's literally across the board. Listen,
we absolutely need to reform Medicaid, and we've been talking
to people. You can you can squeeze probably a trillion
dollars out of Medicaid without touching benefits, actually make Medicaid
more secure for disabled children by putting work requirements on
the able bodied that are being covered through Obamacare. Remember
(21:33):
Medicaid the out of control in nature Medicaid is Obamacare
where states are gaining the system, where they're doing these
provider taxes, which is a total financial scam. You know,
the states say, hey, give us two hundred dollars, and
then we'll go to the federal government that give us a
hundred and eighty dollars for that two hundred bucks, and
we'll come back and give you two hundred dollars back.
What a scam, you know, what, what a chump the
(21:54):
federal government is so Medicaid probably at least to trillion dollars.
But again you go line by line through twenty four
hundred lines of seven thousand billion dollars. Again, Elon Musk
has showing it. He's just scraping the surface, the tip
of the iceberg. You have to do the work. We're
not willing to do the work. You know, listen, I
wrote the column the Law Street Journal. We need a budget,
(22:15):
a budget review panel, Senators, House members, members of omb.
They don't want to do it. They don't want to
do the work. They want to slam this thing together.
Take a look at a couple of things like medicaid.
You know, everything else is saying, can't touch that, can't
touch that, can't touch that. So they're not looking at
all the detail. They're not looking at the literally hundreds
of billions of dollars that if you didn't spend it.
(22:35):
I don't think anybody would even know it. But you
have to do the work. And I really can't give
you the full answer then, other than it's isn't it
obvious based on what Elon's already found scratching the surface
that we ought to be able to find hundreds of
billions again when you're spending four thousand, four hundred billion
in twenty nineteen, now we're spending seven thousand billion dollars again.
(22:56):
I gotta believe it now. If it's not there, you know,
I'll roll over and say, Okay, that's as good as
we can do. But we have to go line by
line to thousands of lines of budge sharing process. We
have to do the work.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We're talking to Senator on Johnson and Wisconsin. I agree
with everything you said, and a lot of the people
listening to us right now agree with everything you said. Uh,
And one of the criticisms we get, and I'm sure
you hear it too, is if Democrats want to spend
eight trillion dollars and Republicans are willing to spend seven
trillion dollars, let's just say, what are we really voting
(23:31):
on here? How much difference? This is the argument right
the swamp, How much difference is really being made if
we're just talking about gradations of how much debt we're
going to undertake.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Well, again, what we're looking at right now in the
bill is a one point six percent reduction over ten years,
take eighty nine point three trillion down to little under
eighty eight trillion dollars. Again, it's it's not even a
rounding air. I mean, that's how insignificant it really is.
And so basically we're talking about is we're basically codifying
(24:08):
all of the Biden spending, all the Biden COVID spending.
I really don't think people that voted for President Trump
thought he would continue to spend at Biden's levels. So yeah,
I'll keep going back to the numbers because they are
just jaw dropping four point four to seven trillion dollars
fifty percent increase, And all we can do is drop
it by one and a half percent. It's just it's pathetic.
(24:31):
It's pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
What happens if we don't if we don't do the work,
as you've been saying, what happens if we just say,
you know what, no one has the will. American people
aren't paying close enough attention. Let's just keep on rolling
this train down the road. What do you see in
the future.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Well, again, what I've been trying to convince the president
of and leadership is let's go back to the multiple
step approach. Get the border funding, get defense funding. Pocket
about eight hundred and fifty billion dollars of savings. I
think the House has found at least that pocket that
then just extend current tax law, take that out the table.
That put us in pretty good shape. That returns an
(25:08):
awful lot of certainty to the economy. But you know,
bottom line, guys, I mean, if we're not willing to
reduce spending to a reasonable pre pandemic level and we
still have deficits of one point seven one point eight
two trillion dollars some point in time, I guess we're
gonna have to pay for those and maybe have to
let tax race increase. I think that's a terrible idea.
(25:29):
I don't want to do it. I don't need anything
in return. I wouldn't bargain anything. It'd be a one
sentence bill, just extend current tax law. Because because if
we would have been smart enough back in twenty seventeen,
if we would have had Chairman Crapo who said, hey, guys,
let's use current policy. There's no score there. This can
all be permanent, it doesn't have to automatically expire. But
(25:51):
we weren't smart. That was a blunder. It was a
huge blunder. So if we could have done it back then,
we would have. So I don't I don't want to score.
I just want to stand current tax law as awful
as it is. Get that done, and then we could
take the time to go line by line. We could
also be much more thoughtful in terms of the tax system.
I would love to simplify and rationalize our tax system
(26:13):
while we are providing the type of relief to working
men and women the President Trump campaigned on I'd love
to do that. We won't get that done in two weeks.
We won't get that done by July fourth. We'll end
up with a really ugly bill. That actually increased the
depthsit and we blow our one opportunity. This is a
once in a lifetime opportunity to reset federal spending that
(26:33):
has been exploded by Democrats. You know, the initial pandemic
spending does biparison, but we never should. We should have
returned to pre pandemic spending back in twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two. We haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Thank you for coming on making this case. I agree
with everything Senator Ron Johnson just said. If people agree
with you, what would you ask them to do that
are listening to us right now?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Call their house members, call their senators, call the White House,
tell them we again, spending is a problem. I've got
a great video on my x page that everybody's saying,
we don't have around no problem, we have a spending problem.
From the president on down. Send that to him. Take
a look at that video. It runs about a minute thirty.
That's what we told our supporters. We don't have around
(27:18):
a new problem. We have a spending problem. The final
question is sort of willing to fix it right now?
It doesn't look like we are.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Thank you for coming on making the case. We will
share that and in the meantime, best of luck as
we move through this process every day. That's center Ron Johnson.
I agree with everything he said. I think that going
back to the baseline pre COVID budget makes a ton
of sense. And you and I agree that this thirty
(27:46):
seven trillion dollars budget deficit at some point has to
be addressed. We're sort of living in a magical world
where we pretend that that deficit isn't real. And if
you look at what social Security, if you look at
what Medicare, Medicaid and interest is eating up on the budget,
there's just not that much outside of that arena that
(28:10):
can be cut that is going to get us back
to a balanced budget. I think it's like eighty six
percent of the budget is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and
now interest on the national debt. By the way, interests
would be helped a bit if we could get the
Fed in action to start cutting interest rates. And Trump
was right when he wanted to lock in Remember he
asked an interesting question. I never heard anybody really answer it,
(28:31):
but he said, like, hey, can we lock in the
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Sometimes all you can do who is laugh And they
do a lot of it with the Sunday Hang.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Join Clay and Buck as they lap it up in.
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Speaker 1 (30:12):
We are on Pope Name Watch. We know there is
a pope, a new one has been chosen. The white
smoke has come out. We don't know which one. As
soon as we know, we will let you know. And
Raymond Arroyo of Fox News we talked to yesterday who
is an expert in all the papal candidates and is
(30:34):
in Vatican City right now. He is going to put
down his plate of spaghetti out of meat to balls
and call into us and tell us.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Exactly what is going on over there.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So it's well, not just the Catholics listening, but to
everybody who's curious about.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
The new pope. We are on it.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We are watching, and as soon as word breaks about
who that white smoke smoke represents. You will have more
from us on that, to be sure, Yes, pointing at me.
Surging in the gambling markets. Luis Antonio Tagel is now
(31:11):
going head to head with Pietro Perolin For those of
you out there who are curious, they are both still
Pietro Periline big favorite, our boy Pizza Bala is making
a little bit of a run now in the third
hole batting not quite clean up. But everybody else there's
(31:33):
only three people that are really getting any play at
all at this point in time, and I am joining.
Some of us are sitting and wondering who will be
Vickers Christ on Earth. Others are sitting here looking at
whether this is going to play out like the NFL draft,
And there'll be some people very disappointed, you know, not
(31:53):
that one cardinal is not going to get signed to
the deal he thought. It's going to be very sad
about it. But different approaches to this papal thing. So yes,
for sure, So we will supposedly, on average for people
out there, it takes about forty minutes after the smoke
is officially released for news of who the new pope
(32:15):
is to to wind in, So we will see how
all that breaks down. The smoke will clear in about
forty minutes, so we will let you know. Well, it
was forty minutes a while ago. I don't know what
the timing is now, we'll let you know as soon
as we know.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We're on it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're on and I promise it will be something to
address here as soon as we can. All right now,
in the meantime, oh my, we have Joe Biden who
has gone on the View because this is I think now,
is there a more central to the Democrat base show
(32:54):
on television than the View?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm not sure there is.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Morning Joe covered its solflf in ignominious stupidity in the
last and is the audience is tiny. It's amazing is
that if they pay these people millions of dollars on
Morning Joe, their audience is a fraction, truly a small
fraction the size of the audience that you are all
a part of day in and day out on this show.
(33:20):
It's Starbucks sponsors Morning Joe, not sponsoring us. Well, we
got krack at coffee, but Joe Scarborough, I'm sorry, Joe
Biden is on the View and the dollars you've seen
this reporting, I'm sure Clay, the dollars have dried up
for the Biden family business. Oh my, what a shock.
(33:40):
You mean that when he's not just able to be
a pass through for bribes, that people don't actually care
to pay Hunter Biden huge sums of money to do nothing.
Oh my gosh, this is a shock to no one.
But remember the dishonest media. The same media that told
you Biden does not did not have dementia, is the
(34:01):
media that told you Hunter Biden went to Yale Law school.
Maybe people were just paying him because he's so smart, right,
But then there's this Clay. This is cat thirty. Biden
was asked would he have beaten Trump?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm sure you're all going to want to hear this one.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Listen, you had previously said that you thought that you
would have won. Since then, Donald Trump won all the
battleground states and made in roads with almost every major demographic,
from working class voters to Hispanic men to black men.
Knowing what you know now, do you think you would
have beaten him?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:34):
He still got seven minute a fewer votes, yes, yeah, Okay,
a lot of people didn't show up. Number one, number one,
number two, they're very close in those those toss up
states it was. It wasn't a slam dunk. And so look,
I you know, every time I've been on the show,
which you've been, I've been fortunate beyond more than once.
(34:56):
Thanks for having me. Is that we talked. You guys
don't focus on as much. And I think it's good
pulling numbers, but thankful this way, he's had the worst
one hundred days any presidents ever had.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean delusional, but yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Delusional. I would just say this though, Clay, I actually
I don't know. This is where we we. I'm not
trying to re litigate this, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think that they were dumb to abandon Biden in
favor of Kama Like, even with what happened, I really
do believe that. I think Trump still would have won,
but I think it might have been a little bit tighter.
There's also the question of seven.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Million more votes. Seven million more votes.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Really, well, that's first of all, not even true in
twenty twenty four, because Trump got seventy seven million votes
and I think Kamala got like seventy five or seventy
four point eight or something like that the final numbers.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
But she got I guess quite a lot less votes.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I think even Democrats are having a hard time explaining
how Joe bid and got eighty one million votes in
twenty twenty. You notice they don't really talk about rigged
elections anymore, or twenty twenty at all.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That story just kind of vanished.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think when you look at the Trump era and
you compare Biden, let's say, twenty twenty with Obama twenty twelve,
with Trump sixteen twenty and twenty four, there's only one
election in the twenty first century that you look at
the vote totals and you're like, boy, some that's really
(36:30):
out of whack here, and it is Biden twenty twenty,
a president that was never very popular, suddenly, out of nowhere,
gets twelve million more votes than the best Barack Obama
ever did. The only person I think that believes that
that was one hundred percent legitimate maybe Joe Biden, and
that's because his brain doesn't work. How how could you
(36:54):
if that is something that everybody had so much faith in,
How could you abandon the guy who still the guy
who got by far the most votes of any president
in the history of the country.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You know what I mean? If you look at this from.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
The Democrat point of view, he is the high water
mark more so than Obama by far. Buck It's sixty
nine million, I believe, was the most votes that Obama
ever got in two thousand and eight. Biden got twelve
million more than the best Obama ever did in twenty
Even if you control for population growth, you know, the
(37:29):
increase in population since then, I don't know, maybe the illegals.
Even if you do all that, that is an enormous,
an enormous gap between Biden and Obama. And there was
an enormous gap between Biden and Kamala. So we are
to believe that in the twenty first century, Joe Biden
(37:50):
is by far the dementia patient is the most compelling
Democrat who has ever run for office by far. That
is a hard thing to say out loud and not
start to burrow your brow a little bit and go, hmm.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Really, that's what we're all supposed to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So now we get into you know, Biden and his
current position and what he's saying about all this stuff.
He's got to do this cleanup because no one cares
about Biden when he's not able to sell his office
which is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He was selling access to his office.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And you know Biden when he's trying to explain how
could Trump have beaten Kamala, this has cut twenty nine Clay,
he goes right to sexism.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
Democrats were feeling optimistic about the vice president's chances of
winning the presidency, but then election night came and it
was like twenty sixteen all over again. So why do
you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised?
Speaker 9 (38:56):
I wasn't surprised, not because I didn't think the vice
president was quote my person to be president. She is,
she's qualified to be president of United States of America. Well,
I was surprised. I wasn't surprised because they went the
root of the sexishirt of the whole roote. I mean,
this is a woman, she's this, she's I mean, really,
I've never seen quite as successful and a consistent campaign
(39:20):
under cutting the notion that a woman couldn't leave the
country and a woman of mixed trace.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
He's just he's not I mean, he's not of sound mind.
And you can tell what he's talking about. This it's
just Blatherclay. It makes no what he says makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yes, totally and well, by the way, the pope.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
We got the pope buck and it is already upset.
Cardinal Robert Prevost elected Pope Leo the fourteenth. The announcement
is now out there. This guy completely off the board
in terms of the gambling odds, and we need to
(40:01):
do quick research. Let's get get our bud Raymond Arroyo up.
This is uh Gurdusky just retweeted this Robert Prevost. I'm
gonna look him up because I don't remember him even
being widely discussed in the in the run up to
who was going to potentially be the next pope. So
(40:24):
he's coming a little bit off the board. And uh,
let's see, I'm just trying to read about Prevos Pope
Leo the fourteenth. Interesting, I had not did we even
talk about this guy with Raymond yesterday?
Speaker 5 (40:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
He Raymond did not even meet him, and he came
off the board. I mean I'm looking at you know,
I've been following it on the gambling odds. This guy.
Uh he's a is he from the US? I think
I'm learning about him in real time right now. Yeah,
let's go to Breake. Let's go to get Raymon to
tell you everything. We're gonna get Raymond on. He is
(41:00):
from the United States Buck. According to what I am
seeing on social media, this is would be the first
pope ever for from the United States, American. This is
American Pope. Robert Francis Prevost has been announced. Nobody saw
that coming.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He had as from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Percent chance, Chicago, Chicago with the pope, yeah, out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Originally from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Historic serves as the head of the church's dicastery for bishops.
Powerful position means he oversees the selection of new bishops. Yeah,
that's he's We got a Chicago guy. So not not
Pope Pizza Bagel, but Pope Chicago.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Very exciting. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Who would have known, sixty nine year old from Chicago
seen as a compromise candidate. We have an American pope.
So maybe we're making a mayor great again and also
the world great again with an American pope. This is amazing.
So we will talk about this when we come back.
(42:09):
But again, breaking news. Robert Francis Prevost the first ever
United States pope. That's a big deal. This is a
huge two and sixty six pope. So far, not a
single one from America. So we got an American pope. Everybody,
this is big. This is bigger news than I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Today, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And I think this is great news for American Catholics,
the Catholic Church, Christianity, more broadly, Western civilization. We'll get
into all of that here coming up momentarily. But Leo
the fourteenth with the win on this one, and all right,
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(42:52):
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(43:13):
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Speaker 1 (44:02):
And we got a new pope everybody. That's the big
news of the day, no question about it. The Catholic
Church has a new head, Leo the fourteenth, and now
everyone's diving into who is this guy? What do we
know about him? And finding a lot of interesting information
(44:23):
like the following. So he was supposed to be a
or supposedly a close colleague of Pope Francises. He is
from Chicago. He served most of his career in Peru.
He spoke in Italian and in Spanish. Now the Spanish
(44:45):
obviously he had lived in South America for most of
the time he was a priest.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Apparently didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
In English, which is a little strange. I think some
people might have thought, well, that is your mother tongue
and there are Let me see what else am I
picking up here, Clay, we're looking at Leo fourteen stuff.
He's he was called the social Pope. Leo was rather
the previous Leo. Pardon me, the previous Leo was the
social Pope. He wrote the Rrum Novarum, which is an
(45:17):
encyclical that called for a living wage.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So people are.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Starting to see some things that are looking like he
could be a social justice heavy pope, and that's what
we seem to have on our hands right now. I
saw the Sean You've probably seen it too, the Sean
Davis tweet that's getting a lot of attention. Should we
tell everybody about this one?
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean, look, you want to hit it with it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bunch of stuff out there from his Twitter account.
This is one of the first popes probably ever that's
had a Twitter account. He's had an account since twenty eleven,
and a lot of it is reposts. A lot of
it is not direct quotes, but here's a direct comp
and I think I mentioned this in the last hour,
but directly he said jd Vance is wrong. Jesus doesn't
(46:07):
ask for us to rank our love for others. That
was a comment that he made in February of twenty
twenty five and then LinkedIn article. And then he also
back in twenty fifteen, shared something from Cardinal Dolan at
the Washington Post. Now, Cardinal Dolan has had a good
relationship if I remember buck with Trump, he is New
(46:30):
York's Cardinal right, if I'm not mistaken, New York City
area cardinal. Why Donald Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric is so problematic?
That was something that Cardinal Dolan wrote on July thirty
first of twenty fifteen. He shared both of those, and
then there are multiple other posts that he has retweeted.
(46:52):
One of them says, I joined my vote voice and
prayers to those of my brother bishops that we might
work hard to end race in our hearts and in society.
May God give comfort to the family of hashtag George
Floyd in this time of anguish Yes, he also said
saying Trump's bad ombre's line fuels racism and nativism, California
(47:18):
bishops and preemptive blast on DACA repeal.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You're not gonna like this one.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Buck reposted this from sister Helen Praijean pray Gene. She's
the Louisiana if I remember correctly, right activist, I stand
with the dreamers and all people who are working toward
an immigration system that is fair, just and moral. Hashtag
defend DOCA. Hashtag DOCA. And this is recent as Trump
(47:45):
and Bucheley use oval fed's illicit deportation of a US resident.
DC Cardinal asked, do you not see the suffering? Is
your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet? And
then also he reposted Chris Murphy, Senator from Connecticut to
my colleagues, your cowardice to act cannot be whitewashed by
(48:08):
thoughts and prayers. None of this ends until we do
something to stop it. I think that was potential violence.
Probably yes, in Connecticut, in the shooting that happened at
the elementary school. No, that was Andy whet I think
that's a Sandy hook tweet all those Andy Hope does
not know anything about guns. But that's a whole other conversation. Okay,
so those are all things that are being shared that
(48:30):
he has shared on his social media account.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
On the flip.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Side, Yeah, on the flip side, buck Catholics. On the
flip side, he has voted typically in Republican primaries throughout
his voting history. But those social media account comments, again,
some of them are retweets, but suggestive that he may
(48:54):
be actually that he may be actually in some way
a a social justice warrior, as priests and now popes go.
So that is the background. Positive story is that for
the first time in the history of the Catholic Church
there is an American born pope from Chicago, went to Villanova,
majored in math there, and has lived all over the country.
(49:20):
But his most recent tweet was criticism of Trump and Buqueley.
So my thought is, on some level, all right, Southern
Baptist man, go for it. I'm fired up over here,
go for it. No, my thought on some level is
that this could be seen by the Cardinals as some
form of rebuke of Trump, and they picked an American
(49:41):
Catholic as a result.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Now, what's your announcements?
Speaker 3 (49:43):
All that?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I don't think. I don't think that is that they're
as focused in on that, you know, we do a
political first show here. I don't think that they're picking
the pope based upon who's going to be president or
who is president in one country of the of the
hundreds of countries around the world for the next few years.
So I look, this is a problem for a lot
(50:08):
of us who are on the right and who are Catholics.
And I do not hold myself out of somebody who
is particularly active or knowledgeable about the church these days,
although I did grow up very much enmeshed in I
mean we used to have clay. We used to have
church before our first soccer game or our first basketball
game of the season. I don't mean on a Sunday,
(50:28):
I mean like it was Monday morning, like first day
of this season.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Time to go to church.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And we used to go to church all the time
when I was in school, and we had chapel every
morning for ten years at my Catholic school growing up.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
So yeah, I've.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Spent a lot of time in these places and hearing this.
The challenge you have is I mean, the George Floyd
thing is is pretty remarkable. I just could say, you know,
there's just a poll that came out yesterday that most
people realize that the whole BLM thing just made everything work.
What I've been saying for years, what you've been saying
for years. Yeah, everything worse and did not make anything better,
(51:02):
nothing correct, no improvement from any of that, all of that.
But this is about a racial reckoning and racial justice. No,
actually it's not. It was race riots and it was
horrible and hurt the country. So anyway, the results now
are are are in on that, I mean the polling
results at least. The challenges you have here are one.
Let's just take this issue of the rebukes of and
(51:24):
can I You've got a lot of very active Catholics,
like some you could call in and do the whole
call in Latin. Okay, light us up here eight hundred
two A two two eight A two. Some of you
will have much more passionate feelings about this specific choice.
Uh and and are going to wann away And Clay
already said if you happen to know this pope from
when he was in Chicago, that would be very interesting.
(51:45):
Maybe one of you had him as a roommate at Villanova. Hey,
who knows, I mean, what do this? Don't me if
they're already to do some case stands you never know,
but I am I'm curious to hear from all of
you about this or we really are going to line up,
rack and stack a bunch of calls on how you
feel about this. But Clay, you know, for example, to
call out JD. Van s or to call out Bouquetley. Really,
(52:09):
that's that's where the worst human rights stuff is going on.
This is just left wing and doctrination. I mean, I
know that now he's you know, he's going to be
consecrated as the pope and it's a big deal, But
he was just a priest before this, and he was
a priest that clearly held some very left wing views,
you know, not talking about about the the assault on
(52:30):
Christians in the Muslim world, or the suppression of Christianity
and just general authoritarianism in China and not talking of Ay.
There are so many areas, so many things you could
go into here, or so many leaders you could call out.
What about all these European leaders who are effectively for euthanasia?
Abortion all well, depends on which European country. Abortion usually
(52:52):
about six and six of the months of a pregnancy.
It depends on where you are, you know, all all
of the gender ideologies stuff, the destruction of the family,
the destruction of marital relationships, or rampant pornography, and I
mean just all that stuff that is supported by a
lot of leaders in the Western world. And you're calling
(53:15):
out Boukeley. What about what about saying thanks Boukeley for
taking the murder rate from one of the worst in
the world to one of the lowest in the world
and saving thousands and thousands of lives and hundreds of
thousands of people's lives in the sense that they didn't
just lose a family member or lose the guy that
(53:35):
was employing them in the business or whatever, because they
weren't murdered by some cartelmaniacs.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
This is what you have. A tough time.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I had a very tough time with the last Pope,
and I just chose not to speak to my very
I have some very devout Catholic family members and I
cannot talk to them.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
I couldn't talk to.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Them about the last Pope, really, because I had nothing
good to say about a lot of the statements climate
change stuff. It's a little bit like when a pope
talks about guns. There's just a lot of a lot
of ignorance and a bit of hubris, just saying you know,
if you don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't care what your role is.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So, like I said, I will put this out there,
but I hope that this Pope is fantastic on a
whole range of other issues, and maybe there's an opening
here for some great things to happen. I am hopeful,
as one should be, that this Pope will be great.
I would point out that when he shared two different
(54:29):
posts about Trump and also about JD. Vance, there was
well knowledge that Pope Francis was not well. And if
you were playing the politics game and you were an American,
I bet it does not hurt to not be pro
(54:50):
Trump if you are trying to ascend to become pope.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Look, so this is like this is a so Now.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I had a grandparent who was very Catholic, as in
I went to church not just every Sunday, but like
random times during the week for her whole life. And
but was also really into what what I would call
the left wing. There's really there's really Catholic mark, there's
a Catholic Marxist wing of the church. There's a she
(55:20):
even subscribed to something called the Catholic Worker, which is
effectively Catholic Communists, which I you know, Communism is always
radically in practice, radically anti Catholic, anti God, and horrifically destructive.
And I would even argue demonic, but unfortunately, you know,
the devil. The devil is the father of lies and
often presents himself, so to speak, as something quite appealing.
(55:44):
And I think for a lot of Catholics, the well,
we are all supposed to just give all we have
and go follow Jesus, and that means we should have
open borders and nobody should be wealthy.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I mean, the Vatican's got a lot of fancy artwork
like this stuff starts to get really tough for people
in the real world application. Again, there's a difference between
the doctrine of the Church and what the Pope says
as his opinion on things. And yeah, I on the
doctrine stuff aligned on the pope's opinion stuff, I often
(56:19):
find myself not aligned. And I wonder how many of
you have the same have the same feelings. But on
the good side of things, he's American, so we got
that going for us. He's voted in a lot of
Republican primaries and he's voted Republican. Well, I give him
credit for this, and that's actually a very important reminder.
I don't understand how you can be a practicing and believing,
(56:42):
a practicing, believing Catholic and vote for the Democrat Party.
And one of my problems would be that this pope,
for example, calls out jade events. I mean, based on
the church's own doctrine, I mean, Joe Biden, people that
advocate for abortion for all nine months of a pregnancy
and their public role should be excommunicated from the church.
But they don't do that or even just have a
called out. They won't do that, and that I think
(57:03):
is a huge problem, a huge problem for a lot
of us who say, okay, so you'll call out jd
Vance or something on some I don't even know what
it was, on like being open borders, which there's really
also I mean, I think that some priests don't really
understand this. To be honest with you, I studied with
a lot of Jesuits. We're very smart on some things
(57:23):
and truly ignorant on others. And you know they're not
people that have had to pay a lot of bills.
Just put it that way, they effectively live in communes.
I mean they are in essence, the Society of Jesus
is the closest thing to a functioning, an actual functioning
communist system, at least the theoretical practice of it, that
you'll find anywhere. And that's a joke that a Jesuit
actually told me. So they don't understand things like if
(57:46):
you have an open border in this country, all of
the public welfare and you know, programs to help the
poor in this country effectively go under because you're saying
that all of these people have a claim to the
program that we have that are meant to help people.
And by the way, if you don't pay into those
programs the form of taxes, you go to prison because
(58:06):
men with guns come and arrest you in the name
of the state. It's not as simple as just like
we've got a lot of food, we're gonna feed everybody.
I'd also point out he's from Peru now, and so
I look at it politically. A lot of these guys
are not going to be trying to draw attention to themselves.
They're going to try to stay in whatever is considered
to be the main stream. That's fine, and then ultimately
(58:29):
the buck stops with you, no pun intended, when you
become the guy at the head of the Catholic Church.
So sometimes you don't have any idea how a politician
is going to lead until they actually end up in
a position of power because they've been trying to kind
of hide in the current. For lack of a better
way to describe it, I would think if you're trying
to become the first American pope, there are probably people
(58:50):
lied against you because of America's power in the world,
and so I see it as kind of an attempt
to camouflage yourself within the flow of whatever direction the
river is going in some way looking at some of
these breadcrumbs for lack of another way to describe it,
on the social media accounts, but I'm curious to any
(59:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
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Welcome inn. It is the Thursday edition. Clay Travis buck
Sexton show. A lot of different breaking news, many different fronts.
We're going to try to keep you updated on everything.
Let me hit you right off the top. Columbia University
major protests as the library was taken over last night,
(00:22):
lots of people arrested. It seems like there might finally
be some consequences for these crazy looney bin college protesters.
We will discuss that story with you just now. I
believe he is still speaking in the White House, Trump
announcing a major trade deal with England that has sent
(00:42):
stocks soaring yet again. You've noticed probably that as the
stock market has been increasing, suddenly there is no reference
to the stock market. I believe I'm correct in this
on CNN and on MSNBC. Stock Mart get SMP five
hundred up one point three percent.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Now this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
And to kind of put that in context, all of
the collapse in stock prices that happened in April has
been eradicated. If you bought near the low, you are
approaching a twenty percent increase in your value.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
If you just held on like we told all of
you to do.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Channeling Warren Buffett don't overreact, don't let MSNBC and CNN
drive you bonkers. You are essentially, as I am speaking
to you right now, stocks are at the exact same
valuation they were right before Trump was elected president, exact
same price as they were on November fourth. So we
(01:46):
have effectively basically got stocks right where they were when
Trump was elected. All of that matters because Trump is
right now speaking. He said, hey, you know what, if
we could actually get the Fed to cut interest rates,
we would have even faster growth coming forward. But I
(02:07):
think the attack on Trump for stock prices is going
to go the way of the attack on Trump for
kil maar a brao Garcia. That is, it's going to
vanish and they're going to pretend they never said it
ever in the past, which is a good sign. Yes,
you know, kill Mark Abrego Garcia. They're running out of
(02:29):
room on that one. He's not a human trafficker, He's
a homo sapien entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Even yeah, it's very funny.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Even Buck they've stopped referring to him as a Maryland
dad and they're now calling him an El Salvadoran. Even
the legacy media is like, well, maybe this guy wasn't
just a Maryland dad, he was in fact a human trafficker,
according to multiple reports. Now they used to have the ability,
and I mean they had it, really, they had it
until this last election. At some level. I think it's
(02:58):
truly gone now. Clay were they could force feed a
narrative and make Trump and his team play defense no
matter how crazy, no matter how wrong, how big the lie.
They just can't really do that anymore. The opposition that
the counter punch from Trump, from this White House, from
the media, from this show, from other big shows out
(03:19):
there that are doing great work, the CounterPunch is too
much for them now. So they again it's not just
they have no messaging as a party. Their ability to
force feed messaging is not what it used to be
by a long shot. Okay, Biden on the View will
have some cuts for that. We're gonna play cuts for
Trump in the White House talking about the new deal
(03:41):
with Great Britain. But I am told there is also
white smoke, meaning we now have a new pope. We
do not yet. I'm scrolling through social media to try
to catch up with the absolute latest. We do not
yet have a name. Is that correct team? The name
has not lead of the new pope, but the white
(04:02):
smoke is now out over the Vatican City and we
are going to end up with a new pope. I
would imagine in short order we will have a name
of the new Pope and we will see whether or
not we have any any knowledge to share with you
of the new popes. Okay, a bunch of different things
(04:25):
out there, let's start with this. I mentioned the stock
market is surging and the news stories out there as
everyone is preparing for the new pope. But we'll get
you that. In the meantime, Trump with the Prime Minister
of Great Britain, they are breaking down everything having to
(04:46):
do with this new deal. And I want to start
with cut one. Trump announcing a brand new trade deal
between America and the UK.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
This is a very special day because it's victory day
World War two May eighth, and just by happenstance, we
have the Prime Minister on the phone and we were
great allies in that and it's very unusual that the
trade deal comes to and we signed it up on
the same day that we had a great victory, the
greatest victory of them all. So we are talking more
(05:14):
and more about victory day because we were a big
part of it, and so was the UK, and it's just,
I guess, I don't know what you call it. It's
just incredible that that day is the same day that
we signed a tremendous trade deal for both countries.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, that we should mention as well eightieth anniversary of
victory in Europe day, one of the greatest days in
the history of Western civilization. Frankfully Thankfully cut four is
the British ambassador to the US, praising Trump for getting
this new trade deal done.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Listen to that.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You've done what you said you would do. You said
to the Prime Minister when he came and we visited
in the Oval, that you would do a good trade
deal with the United Kingdom, that you would do it
at pace, and that we would be first. And you
have delivered that.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You know, you've been true to your words.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
So thank you very much indeed for that.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So that is the resolution we're going to have. We
told you this was going to happen. You can criticize Trump,
but did anybody really think that he was not going
to allow the stock market to flourish? I mean, this
is of all the criticisms of Trump maybe the most
ludicrous out there. I would suspect buck. And we have
told people this would be likely happening. We will see
(06:37):
in short order rapid rollouts of a variety of different
major new trade agreements that will ultimately lead to the
US and China being on an island squaring each other
off as it pertains to the trade related battles. And
I think that's going to be decided. I predicted by August.
(06:58):
So the markets are increasingly becoming it seems to me
cognizant of that fact. And we hope you held onto
your stocks. Then if you bought any down down in
the gully, you are, you're walking really strong today. Well,
do we have to start getting you to do at
least a segment of the show with like French cuffs
(07:18):
and suspenders and maybe a monogrammed dress shirt on, you know,
like old school Wall Street guys, Gordon Gecko a La
Wall Street, which is a movie that holds up, by
the way, fantastic. Yes, Clay, you gave everyone very good advice.
The advice is bet on America, and Trump knows what
he's doing. If we were to summarize this right, I
think that's fair. I think America and Trump knows what
(07:40):
he's doing. And I think that those simple, straightforward principles,
almost Warren Buffett like in their truism and their simplicity,
have have shown that everyone need there's no need for panic.
Anything like that was absurd. But it also shows you
that a lot of the people who are supposed to
be making a living telling you what's going on in
the market have no idea what the heck they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yees, oh my gosh, you know all the hedge fund
money's out.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh yeah, trust me, the hedge funds have to chase
returns or else people put their money somewhere else, So
they're not just going to take the money out of
the market and sit on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Okay, So that all is to the good.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And we still don't have the name of the pope,
the new Pope, which is exciting for all of us
who are Catholic. I've got to figure out, Clay, how
to get my son baptist? Are your kids baptized? I
got to figure out how to get my.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Boy bapt Well, you get sprinkled right in the Catholic faith.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I mean, don't you get sprinkled? Is that like a
special thing and you just get baptized. It's like pour
water over the head. No. No, baptism, no, no, no, no.
Baptism is like old school, like you have to be dunk.
You know, you don't got babies. You don't dunk babies. No,
you sprinkled, you sprinkled the babies. Oh yeah, the Baptists
back in the day. I got Yeah, I got fully immersed.
(08:54):
Oh of course.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Baby Clay. They don't. They don't like throw it in
the river and see what happens. Yeah we know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, no, no, I'm saying, but there is no full immersion
in the Catholic faith, right, like you never put on
like walking you know, waiting boots and uh and go
in and get fully immersed under the water. You're really
putting me on on the there's so many listening who
know more about this than me. When I was in
Jesuit school, theology at Regis was a real course that
people failed, Like you had to actually do homework. It
(09:20):
wasn't something it wasn't like an extra recess period. It
was basically church history and theology, I mean, uh, and
doctrine rather in theology class. And yeah, it's been a
little while since the Jesuit.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
No, Look, in the Baptist church there is a water
like a pool behind the choir and during the actual ceremony. Now,
I'm assuming that some of these churches don't have an
actual swimming pool in them, and you go out to
a local river or whatever else. But the church that
I went to, first Baptist Church, Goodlettsville, Tennessee, still there
(09:55):
you got fully immersed in the actual Uh, in the
actual ceremony. I mean you would be up there the
uh you get dunked, you go under water being full immersion.
Were you Were you ever in the choir? No, I'm
told you got out because of your flute playing. Right
Like you got a flute playing.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I told you this.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I was in chorus in in high school and they
told me not to sing. So I announced, I announced
the songs that the that my high school choral group
would sing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I'm tone deaf. I'm not allowed other than my
flute playing, which is, you know, beautiful and majestic and
angel like. I don't really have any musical talents. Also,
also tell you, guys, as we're sitting here looking at
some of the exciting trade deal information, Uh, the the
win of a big trade deal with the UK. There's
more of these coming and it's all right, and the
(10:50):
thing is clear. There's momentum to this because you get
one big one done, well okay, everyone knows another big
one can happen and the next on the list. And
Trump has made this clear all along. You come forward,
you want to make a deal, now, that's great. You
want to be a pain in the butt like China,
and you want to force our hand and you want
to make things tough. It's gonna be rougher on you
down the line. So the incentive is to get a
(11:11):
deal going here, which makes sense for everybody. And I
think that that means, Look, the market's already showing that
people are feeling like, okay, there is a way through this,
there is a way forward that actually is better or
rather it is going to improve things, and that's great.
We've also got some phenomenal guests today. We have a
stacked show of guests, so we wanted to give you
a quick preview of that. Twelve thirty so that's coming
(11:33):
up here Eastern time, coming up here in about twenty minutes.
We've got Senator Ron Johnson is going to be with us.
Then second hour we have the would be now withdrawn
US attorney. He was acting US attorney for DC Ed Martin. Look,
we want to talk to him, you know, we want
to chat with him about what happened here and why
did Tom Tillis stand in the way. Trump has also
(11:55):
spoken on that. We can give you the latest update
on that. And then our friend former Navy seal Dave Rutherford,
we'll be talking to us in the third hour. Got
some great things to dive into with him. So we've
got a rock and show today. But top of the
show victory for Trump, big trade deal. And I haven't
gotten to the deportation numbers yet, which Tom Homan has shared,
which are looking very strong for the first hundred days.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Again, I've already been excommunicated from the Faith for talking
about this. But the gambling markets tell us that Pietro
Perolin is going to be the next Pope. His odds
in the live gambling markets have skyrocketed to suggest. I've
not seen any say official wanted pizza Bagel because Pope
pizza Bagel sounded like that was gonna be a lot
(12:39):
of fun. Pizza ball would have been. It would have
sold a lot of T shirts and my wife said
she was rooting for him. But Pietro Perolin, who was yesterday,
we talked with Raymond Royo. Maybe Raymond can call us
today from inside of Vatican City because his predictions that
it was going to happen pretty quickly appear correct. But
he has The Pietro pair is now a massive favorite,
(13:02):
So we'll see if the betting markets know what they're
talking about as the actual pope.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
The white smoke is out.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
A pope has been elected, but we do not know
exactly which one has been announced yet. We'll be bringing
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Speaker 1 (15:01):
Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, lots to dive into with him.
Appreciate him as always hopping on the show with us,
and let's start right here off the top. Senator, a
lot of discussion that the so called big beautiful Bill
will be done by Memorial Day. What can you tell
us about the progress?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
What do you like? What do you not like about
the bill so far?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Cool? Guys, Well, I hate to be the skunk in
the room. Let me let me give you some numbers.
Twenty nineteen, we spend four point four trillion dollars this year,
We'll spend a little over seven trillion. That's a fifty
eight percent increase. Over the next ten years, CBO estimates
we will spend a whopping eighty nine point three trillion
(15:48):
dollars and grow our debt by almost twenty two trillion dollars.
So what the House is working on right now is
a spending reduction. It sounds big, of one point five
trillion dollars dollars, but you compare that to eighty nine
point three that's one point six eight percent reduction one
point five trillion versus eighty nine point three trillion. And
(16:10):
by the way, the way normally these spending reductions occur,
they occur in the out years when there's the probability
that they'll never be actually realized. Now in more serious times.
During World War two, spending increased five hundred seventy eight percent, okay,
(16:30):
ten times that amount, But within seven years the started
World War two, we were back down to a lower
spending levels. Percent of GDP it had been I think
eleven point seven percent went down to eleven point four
percent because they realized this so once in a lifetime
occurrence is extraordinary. We had to increase spending for World
War Two, but then we came back down to pre
(16:51):
war spending level. What happened in the federal governments we
went from four point four to six point five and
we've never looked back. I don't know of a family
who would if they had an illness and they had
to borrow fifty thousand dollars to pay for medical bills.
If that family member got well, they would keep borrowing
fifty thousand dollars and spending that level. That's exactly what
the federal government's doing. So again, we have to return
(17:15):
to a reasonable pre pandemic level. I've been in the
White House now twice with the Finance Committee, the Budget Committee.
It seem like President Trump was on board of that.
Plus now only returned to a reasonable pre pandemic level,
which kind of the top figure there is about six
point five trillion versus seven trillion we're spending right now.
But also have a process to achieve and maintain it.
(17:35):
And by the way, Elon Musk has shown us how
to do it, line by line, contract by contract. You
have to take the time and do the work. So
I've always been in favor of a multi step process.
Provide the border funding, the defense funding. By the way,
in the Senate bill, we would have reduced spending by
eight hundred and fifty billion dollars, more than half what
the House is try and achieve right now, just in
(17:56):
that first reconciliation bill. Then come back step to make
sure that we take in automatic massive tax increase off
the table. Just extend current tax law. We could have
already had that done, but now we're in this, you know,
then we could be working on the big, old complex,
messy negotiations in terms of getting spending down and also
(18:19):
fulfilled President Trump's promises and you know things like no cash,
no tax on. I would say cash tips would be
a pretty good thing to do. But again, we're involved
in this great, big bill. Beauty's in the eye of
the beholder, and right right now, there's enough, Senators, I
can tell you that that's not going to pass. If
that's all the spending reduction we're going to realize.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
All right, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us and
that detailed assessment of what is in the big beautiful bill.
How much of the cuts I mean, I'm trying to
remember the numbers off and here you said we're at
a seven trillion dollar spending pre pandemic would be six
point five trillion, So that's a five hundred billion dollars,
a five hundred billion dollar gap or differential that we
(19:02):
have to address here. What would be the cuts that
would make up that five hundred billion. Is a lot
of this or any of this driven by the Doge recommendations?
And why sorry a lot of questions her center, and
why aren't other Republicans going along with this?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
What's what's happening here, Well, let me tell you what
I'm scratching my head about. So, so Elon Musk, by
the way, brilliant doose. What Trump and Elon did with
Doze was brilliant. They've exposed all this waste for aud abuse.
By the way, they've also exposed how clueless and oblivious
we all are in terms of waste for an abuse.
(19:40):
So they've shown how to do it. The problem is
we're not codifying it, you know, the way you codified
the discretion side of what DOZE finds us through recision packages.
Anything they find on the mandatory side that i would
be loaded into reconciliation. I'm not aware of any recommendations
of dose savings through reconciliation through other mandatories. And in
(20:00):
terms of decisions, we've been hearing about a drum roll here,
underwhelming nine billion dollars. Now Elon has been saying they've
been uncovering about four point five billion dollars a day.
They're head of pace because he said about a trillion dollars,
you know, by the end of the fiscal year. So
they've been in office one hundred days four point five billion.
That's four hund and fifty billion dollars, and they're talking
(20:23):
about a recision package of an underwhelming nine billion dollars,
which apparently is being held up because there's resistance here
in the House of the Senate. I mean, go figure.
So again, Unfortunately, we have big spenders in our party.
And listen, I ran in twenty ten because we were
more sure at Hildren's future. We were fourteen trillion dollars
(20:44):
in debt. Now we're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt.
And again, what we're talking about is adding another twenty
trillion dollars to that debt. Even if we pass a
big beautiful bill again and let me add as I
do the math, this one big beautiful bill would actually
increase the deficit.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
It wouldn't decrease.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
It actually increase the deaficit.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
But where are the spending cuts? Kind of you. You
gotta remember, for a lot.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Of us, it's literal, it's literally across the board. Listen,
we absolutely need to reform Medicaid, and we've been talking
to people. You can you can squeeze probably a trillion
dollars out of Medicaid without touching benefits, actually make Medicaid
more secure for disabled children by putting work requirements on
the able bodied that are being covered through Obamacare. Remember
(21:33):
Medicaid the out of control in nature Medicaid is Obamacare
where states are gaining the system, where they're doing these
provider taxes, which is a total financial scam. You know,
the states say, hey, give us two hundred dollars, and
then we'll go to the federal government that give us a
hundred and eighty dollars for that two hundred bucks, and
we'll come back and give you two hundred dollars back.
What a scam, you know, what, what a chump the
(21:54):
federal government is so Medicaid probably at least to trillion dollars.
But again you go line by line through twenty four
hundred lines of seven thousand billion dollars. Again, Elon Musk
has showing it. He's just scraping the surface, the tip
of the iceberg. You have to do the work. We're
not willing to do the work. You know, listen, I
wrote the column the Law Street Journal. We need a budget,
(22:15):
a budget review panel, Senators, House members, members of omb.
They don't want to do it. They don't want to
do the work. They want to slam this thing together.
Take a look at a couple of things like medicaid.
You know, everything else is saying, can't touch that, can't
touch that, can't touch that. So they're not looking at
all the detail. They're not looking at the literally hundreds
of billions of dollars that if you didn't spend it.
(22:35):
I don't think anybody would even know it. But you
have to do the work. And I really can't give
you the full answer then, other than it's isn't it
obvious based on what Elon's already found scratching the surface
that we ought to be able to find hundreds of
billions again when you're spending four thousand, four hundred billion
in twenty nineteen, now we're spending seven thousand billion dollars again.
(22:56):
I gotta believe it now. If it's not there, you know,
I'll roll over and say, Okay, that's as good as
we can do. But we have to go line by
line to thousands of lines of budge sharing process. We
have to do the work.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We're talking to Senator on Johnson and Wisconsin. I agree
with everything you said, and a lot of the people
listening to us right now agree with everything you said. Uh,
And one of the criticisms we get, and I'm sure
you hear it too, is if Democrats want to spend
eight trillion dollars and Republicans are willing to spend seven
trillion dollars, let's just say, what are we really voting
(23:31):
on here? How much difference? This is the argument right
the swamp, How much difference is really being made if
we're just talking about gradations of how much debt we're
going to undertake.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Well, again, what we're looking at right now in the
bill is a one point six percent reduction over ten years,
take eighty nine point three trillion down to little under
eighty eight trillion dollars. Again, it's it's not even a
rounding air. I mean, that's how insignificant it really is.
And so basically we're talking about is we're basically codifying
(24:08):
all of the Biden spending, all the Biden COVID spending.
I really don't think people that voted for President Trump
thought he would continue to spend at Biden's levels. So yeah,
I'll keep going back to the numbers because they are
just jaw dropping four point four to seven trillion dollars
fifty percent increase, And all we can do is drop
it by one and a half percent. It's just it's pathetic.
(24:31):
It's pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
What happens if we don't if we don't do the work,
as you've been saying, what happens if we just say,
you know what, no one has the will. American people
aren't paying close enough attention. Let's just keep on rolling
this train down the road. What do you see in
the future.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Well, again, what I've been trying to convince the president
of and leadership is let's go back to the multiple
step approach. Get the border funding, get defense funding. Pocket
about eight hundred and fifty billion dollars of savings. I
think the House has found at least that pocket that
then just extend current tax law, take that out the table.
That put us in pretty good shape. That returns an
(25:08):
awful lot of certainty to the economy. But you know,
bottom line, guys, I mean, if we're not willing to
reduce spending to a reasonable pre pandemic level and we
still have deficits of one point seven one point eight
two trillion dollars some point in time, I guess we're
gonna have to pay for those and maybe have to
let tax race increase. I think that's a terrible idea.
(25:29):
I don't want to do it. I don't need anything
in return. I wouldn't bargain anything. It'd be a one
sentence bill, just extend current tax law. Because because if
we would have been smart enough back in twenty seventeen,
if we would have had Chairman Crapo who said, hey, guys,
let's use current policy. There's no score there. This can
all be permanent, it doesn't have to automatically expire. But
(25:51):
we weren't smart. That was a blunder. It was a
huge blunder. So if we could have done it back then,
we would have. So I don't I don't want to score.
I just want to stand current tax law as awful
as it is. Get that done, and then we could
take the time to go line by line. We could
also be much more thoughtful in terms of the tax system.
I would love to simplify and rationalize our tax system
(26:13):
while we are providing the type of relief to working
men and women the President Trump campaigned on I'd love
to do that. We won't get that done in two weeks.
We won't get that done by July fourth. We'll end
up with a really ugly bill. That actually increased the
depthsit and we blow our one opportunity. This is a
once in a lifetime opportunity to reset federal spending that
(26:33):
has been exploded by Democrats. You know, the initial pandemic
spending does biparison, but we never should. We should have
returned to pre pandemic spending back in twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two. We haven't done it.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Thank you for coming on making this case. I agree
with everything Senator Ron Johnson just said. If people agree
with you, what would you ask them to do that
are listening to us right now?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Call their house members, call their senators, call the White House,
tell them we again, spending is a problem. I've got
a great video on my x page that everybody's saying,
we don't have around no problem, we have a spending problem.
From the president on down. Send that to him. Take
a look at that video. It runs about a minute thirty.
That's what we told our supporters. We don't have around
(27:18):
a new problem. We have a spending problem. The final
question is sort of willing to fix it right now?
It doesn't look like we are.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Thank you for coming on making the case. We will
share that and in the meantime, best of luck as
we move through this process every day. That's center Ron Johnson.
I agree with everything he said. I think that going
back to the baseline pre COVID budget makes a ton
of sense. And you and I agree that this thirty
(27:46):
seven trillion dollars budget deficit at some point has to
be addressed. We're sort of living in a magical world
where we pretend that that deficit isn't real. And if
you look at what social Security, if you look at
what Medicare, Medicaid and interest is eating up on the budget,
there's just not that much outside of that arena that
(28:10):
can be cut that is going to get us back
to a balanced budget. I think it's like eighty six
percent of the budget is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and
now interest on the national debt. By the way, interests
would be helped a bit if we could get the
Fed in action to start cutting interest rates. And Trump
was right when he wanted to lock in Remember he
asked an interesting question. I never heard anybody really answer it,
(28:31):
but he said, like, hey, can we lock in the
interest rate as a country, and back in the COVID days,
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Speaker 2 (30:04):
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Speaker 1 (30:12):
We are on Pope Name Watch. We know there is
a pope, a new one has been chosen. The white
smoke has come out. We don't know which one. As
soon as we know, we will let you know. And
Raymond Arroyo of Fox News we talked to yesterday who
is an expert in all the papal candidates and is
(30:34):
in Vatican City right now. He is going to put
down his plate of spaghetti out of meat to balls
and call into us and tell us.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Exactly what is going on over there.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So it's well, not just the Catholics listening, but to
everybody who's curious about.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
The new pope. We are on it.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We are watching, and as soon as word breaks about
who that white smoke smoke represents. You will have more
from us on that, to be sure, Yes, pointing at me.
Surging in the gambling markets. Luis Antonio Tagel is now
(31:11):
going head to head with Pietro Perolin For those of
you out there who are curious, they are both still
Pietro Periline big favorite, our boy Pizza Bala is making
a little bit of a run now in the third
hole batting not quite clean up. But everybody else there's
(31:33):
only three people that are really getting any play at
all at this point in time, and I am joining.
Some of us are sitting and wondering who will be
Vickers Christ on Earth. Others are sitting here looking at
whether this is going to play out like the NFL draft,
And there'll be some people very disappointed, you know, not
(31:53):
that one cardinal is not going to get signed to
the deal he thought. It's going to be very sad
about it. But different approaches to this papal thing. So yes,
for sure, So we will supposedly, on average for people
out there, it takes about forty minutes after the smoke
is officially released for news of who the new pope
(32:15):
is to to wind in, So we will see how
all that breaks down. The smoke will clear in about
forty minutes, so we will let you know. Well, it
was forty minutes a while ago. I don't know what
the timing is now, we'll let you know as soon
as we know.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We're on it.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're on and I promise it will be something to
address here as soon as we can. All right now,
in the meantime, oh my, we have Joe Biden who
has gone on the View because this is I think now,
is there a more central to the Democrat base show
(32:54):
on television than the View?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I'm not sure there is.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Morning Joe covered its solflf in ignominious stupidity in the
last and is the audience is tiny. It's amazing is
that if they pay these people millions of dollars on
Morning Joe, their audience is a fraction, truly a small
fraction the size of the audience that you are all
a part of day in and day out on this show.
(33:20):
It's Starbucks sponsors Morning Joe, not sponsoring us. Well, we
got krack at coffee, but Joe Scarborough, I'm sorry, Joe
Biden is on the View and the dollars you've seen
this reporting, I'm sure Clay, the dollars have dried up
for the Biden family business. Oh my, what a shock.
(33:40):
You mean that when he's not just able to be
a pass through for bribes, that people don't actually care
to pay Hunter Biden huge sums of money to do nothing.
Oh my gosh, this is a shock to no one.
But remember the dishonest media. The same media that told
you Biden does not did not have dementia, is the
(34:01):
media that told you Hunter Biden went to Yale Law school.
Maybe people were just paying him because he's so smart, right,
But then there's this Clay. This is cat thirty. Biden
was asked would he have beaten Trump?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I'm sure you're all going to want to hear this one.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
Listen, you had previously said that you thought that you
would have won. Since then, Donald Trump won all the
battleground states and made in roads with almost every major demographic,
from working class voters to Hispanic men to black men.
Knowing what you know now, do you think you would
have beaten him?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:34):
He still got seven minute a fewer votes, yes, yeah, Okay,
a lot of people didn't show up. Number one, number one,
number two, they're very close in those those toss up
states it was. It wasn't a slam dunk. And so look,
I you know, every time I've been on the show,
which you've been, I've been fortunate beyond more than once.
(34:56):
Thanks for having me. Is that we talked. You guys
don't focus on as much. And I think it's good
pulling numbers, but thankful this way, he's had the worst
one hundred days any presidents ever had.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean delusional, but yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Delusional. I would just say this though, Clay, I actually
I don't know. This is where we we. I'm not
trying to re litigate this, Okay.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think that they were dumb to abandon Biden in
favor of Kama Like, even with what happened, I really
do believe that. I think Trump still would have won,
but I think it might have been a little bit tighter.
There's also the question of seven.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Million more votes. Seven million more votes.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Really, well, that's first of all, not even true in
twenty twenty four, because Trump got seventy seven million votes
and I think Kamala got like seventy five or seventy
four point eight or something like that the final numbers.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
But she got I guess quite a lot less votes.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I think even Democrats are having a hard time explaining
how Joe bid and got eighty one million votes in
twenty twenty. You notice they don't really talk about rigged
elections anymore, or twenty twenty at all.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That story just kind of vanished.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I think when you look at the Trump era and
you compare Biden, let's say, twenty twenty with Obama twenty twelve,
with Trump sixteen twenty and twenty four, there's only one
election in the twenty first century that you look at
the vote totals and you're like, boy, some that's really
(36:30):
out of whack here, and it is Biden twenty twenty,
a president that was never very popular, suddenly, out of nowhere,
gets twelve million more votes than the best Barack Obama
ever did. The only person I think that believes that
that was one hundred percent legitimate maybe Joe Biden, and
that's because his brain doesn't work. How how could you
(36:54):
if that is something that everybody had so much faith in,
How could you abandon the guy who still the guy
who got by far the most votes of any president
in the history of the country.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
You know what I mean? If you look at this from.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
The Democrat point of view, he is the high water
mark more so than Obama by far. Buck It's sixty
nine million, I believe, was the most votes that Obama
ever got in two thousand and eight. Biden got twelve
million more than the best Obama ever did in twenty
Even if you control for population growth, you know, the
(37:29):
increase in population since then, I don't know, maybe the illegals.
Even if you do all that, that is an enormous,
an enormous gap between Biden and Obama. And there was
an enormous gap between Biden and Kamala. So we are
to believe that in the twenty first century, Joe Biden
(37:50):
is by far the dementia patient is the most compelling
Democrat who has ever run for office by far. That
is a hard thing to say out loud and not
start to burrow your brow a little bit and go, hmm.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Really, that's what we're all supposed to believe.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So now we get into you know, Biden and his
current position and what he's saying about all this stuff.
He's got to do this cleanup because no one cares
about Biden when he's not able to sell his office
which is what he was doing.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
He was selling access to his office.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
And you know Biden when he's trying to explain how
could Trump have beaten Kamala, this has cut twenty nine Clay,
he goes right to sexism.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
Democrats were feeling optimistic about the vice president's chances of
winning the presidency, but then election night came and it
was like twenty sixteen all over again. So why do
you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised?
Speaker 9 (38:56):
I wasn't surprised, not because I didn't think the vice
president was quote my person to be president. She is,
she's qualified to be president of United States of America. Well,
I was surprised. I wasn't surprised because they went the
root of the sexishirt of the whole roote. I mean,
this is a woman, she's this, she's I mean, really,
I've never seen quite as successful and a consistent campaign
(39:20):
under cutting the notion that a woman couldn't leave the
country and a woman of mixed trace.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
He's just he's not I mean, he's not of sound mind.
And you can tell what he's talking about. This it's
just Blatherclay. It makes no what he says makes no sense.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yes, totally and well, by the way, the pope.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
We got the pope buck and it is already upset.
Cardinal Robert Prevost elected Pope Leo the fourteenth. The announcement
is now out there. This guy completely off the board
in terms of the gambling odds, and we need to
(40:01):
do quick research. Let's get get our bud Raymond Arroyo up.
This is uh Gurdusky just retweeted this Robert Prevost. I'm
gonna look him up because I don't remember him even
being widely discussed in the in the run up to
who was going to potentially be the next pope. So
(40:24):
he's coming a little bit off the board. And uh,
let's see, I'm just trying to read about Prevos Pope
Leo the fourteenth. Interesting, I had not did we even
talk about this guy with Raymond yesterday?
Speaker 5 (40:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
He Raymond did not even meet him, and he came
off the board. I mean I'm looking at you know,
I've been following it on the gambling odds. This guy.
Uh he's a is he from the US? I think
I'm learning about him in real time right now. Yeah,
let's go to Breake. Let's go to get Raymon to
tell you everything. We're gonna get Raymond on. He is
(41:00):
from the United States Buck. According to what I am
seeing on social media, this is would be the first
pope ever for from the United States, American. This is
American Pope. Robert Francis Prevost has been announced. Nobody saw
that coming.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He had as from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Percent chance, Chicago, Chicago with the pope, yeah, out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Originally from Chicago.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Historic serves as the head of the church's dicastery for bishops.
Powerful position means he oversees the selection of new bishops. Yeah,
that's he's We got a Chicago guy. So not not
Pope Pizza Bagel, but Pope Chicago.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Very exciting. Look at that.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Who would have known, sixty nine year old from Chicago
seen as a compromise candidate. We have an American pope.
So maybe we're making a mayor great again and also
the world great again with an American pope. This is amazing.
So we will talk about this when we come back.
(42:09):
But again, breaking news. Robert Francis Prevost the first ever
United States pope. That's a big deal. This is a
huge two and sixty six pope. So far, not a
single one from America. So we got an American pope. Everybody,
this is big. This is bigger news than I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Today, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
And I think this is great news for American Catholics,
the Catholic Church, Christianity, more broadly, Western civilization. We'll get
into all of that here coming up momentarily. But Leo
the fourteenth with the win on this one, and all right,
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(42:52):
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(43:13):
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Speaker 1 (44:02):
And we got a new pope everybody. That's the big
news of the day, no question about it. The Catholic
Church has a new head, Leo the fourteenth, and now
everyone's diving into who is this guy? What do we
know about him? And finding a lot of interesting information
(44:23):
like the following. So he was supposed to be a
or supposedly a close colleague of Pope Francises. He is
from Chicago. He served most of his career in Peru.
He spoke in Italian and in Spanish. Now the Spanish
(44:45):
obviously he had lived in South America for most of
the time he was a priest.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Apparently didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
In English, which is a little strange. I think some
people might have thought, well, that is your mother tongue
and there are Let me see what else am I
picking up here, Clay, we're looking at Leo fourteen stuff.
He's he was called the social Pope. Leo was rather
the previous Leo. Pardon me, the previous Leo was the
social Pope. He wrote the Rrum Novarum, which is an
(45:17):
encyclical that called for a living wage.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So people are.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Starting to see some things that are looking like he
could be a social justice heavy pope, and that's what
we seem to have on our hands right now. I
saw the Sean You've probably seen it too, the Sean
Davis tweet that's getting a lot of attention. Should we
tell everybody about this one?
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
I mean, look, you want to hit it with it.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
There's a bunch of stuff out there from his Twitter account.
This is one of the first popes probably ever that's
had a Twitter account. He's had an account since twenty eleven,
and a lot of it is reposts. A lot of
it is not direct quotes, but here's a direct comp
and I think I mentioned this in the last hour,
but directly he said jd Vance is wrong. Jesus doesn't
(46:07):
ask for us to rank our love for others. That
was a comment that he made in February of twenty
twenty five and then LinkedIn article. And then he also
back in twenty fifteen, shared something from Cardinal Dolan at
the Washington Post. Now, Cardinal Dolan has had a good
relationship if I remember buck with Trump, he is New
(46:30):
York's Cardinal right, if I'm not mistaken, New York City
area cardinal. Why Donald Trump's anti immigrant rhetoric is so problematic?
That was something that Cardinal Dolan wrote on July thirty
first of twenty fifteen. He shared both of those, and
then there are multiple other posts that he has retweeted.
(46:52):
One of them says, I joined my vote voice and
prayers to those of my brother bishops that we might
work hard to end race in our hearts and in society.
May God give comfort to the family of hashtag George
Floyd in this time of anguish Yes, he also said
saying Trump's bad ombre's line fuels racism and nativism, California
(47:18):
bishops and preemptive blast on DACA repeal.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
You're not gonna like this one.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Buck reposted this from sister Helen Praijean pray Gene. She's
the Louisiana if I remember correctly, right activist, I stand
with the dreamers and all people who are working toward
an immigration system that is fair, just and moral. Hashtag
defend DOCA. Hashtag DOCA. And this is recent as Trump
(47:45):
and Bucheley use oval fed's illicit deportation of a US resident.
DC Cardinal asked, do you not see the suffering? Is
your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet? And
then also he reposted Chris Murphy, Senator from Connecticut to
my colleagues, your cowardice to act cannot be whitewashed by
(48:08):
thoughts and prayers. None of this ends until we do
something to stop it. I think that was potential violence.
Probably yes, in Connecticut, in the shooting that happened at
the elementary school. No, that was Andy whet I think
that's a Sandy hook tweet all those Andy Hope does
not know anything about guns. But that's a whole other conversation. Okay,
so those are all things that are being shared that
(48:30):
he has shared on his social media account.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
On the flip.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Side, Yeah, on the flip side, buck Catholics. On the
flip side, he has voted typically in Republican primaries throughout
his voting history. But those social media account comments, again,
some of them are retweets, but suggestive that he may
(48:54):
be actually that he may be actually in some way
a a social justice warrior, as priests and now popes go.
So that is the background. Positive story is that for
the first time in the history of the Catholic Church
there is an American born pope from Chicago, went to Villanova,
majored in math there, and has lived all over the country.
(49:20):
But his most recent tweet was criticism of Trump and Buqueley.
So my thought is, on some level, all right, Southern
Baptist man, go for it. I'm fired up over here,
go for it. No, my thought on some level is
that this could be seen by the Cardinals as some
form of rebuke of Trump, and they picked an American
(49:41):
Catholic as a result.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Now, what's your announcements?
Speaker 3 (49:43):
All that?
Speaker 1 (49:44):
I don't think. I don't think that is that they're
as focused in on that, you know, we do a
political first show here. I don't think that they're picking
the pope based upon who's going to be president or
who is president in one country of the of the
hundreds of countries around the world for the next few years.
So I look, this is a problem for a lot
(50:08):
of us who are on the right and who are Catholics.
And I do not hold myself out of somebody who
is particularly active or knowledgeable about the church these days,
although I did grow up very much enmeshed in I
mean we used to have clay. We used to have
church before our first soccer game or our first basketball
game of the season. I don't mean on a Sunday,
(50:28):
I mean like it was Monday morning, like first day
of this season.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Time to go to church.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And we used to go to church all the time
when I was in school, and we had chapel every
morning for ten years at my Catholic school growing up.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
So yeah, I've.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Spent a lot of time in these places and hearing this.
The challenge you have is I mean, the George Floyd
thing is is pretty remarkable. I just could say, you know,
there's just a poll that came out yesterday that most
people realize that the whole BLM thing just made everything work.
What I've been saying for years, what you've been saying
for years. Yeah, everything worse and did not make anything better,
(51:02):
nothing correct, no improvement from any of that, all of that.
But this is about a racial reckoning and racial justice. No,
actually it's not. It was race riots and it was
horrible and hurt the country. So anyway, the results now
are are are in on that, I mean the polling
results at least. The challenges you have here are one.
Let's just take this issue of the rebukes of and
(51:24):
can I You've got a lot of very active Catholics,
like some you could call in and do the whole
call in Latin. Okay, light us up here eight hundred
two A two two eight A two. Some of you
will have much more passionate feelings about this specific choice.
Uh and and are going to wann away And Clay
already said if you happen to know this pope from
when he was in Chicago, that would be very interesting.
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Maybe one of you had him as a roommate at Villanova. Hey,
who knows, I mean, what do this? Don't me if
they're already to do some case stands you never know,
but I am I'm curious to hear from all of
you about this or we really are going to line up,
rack and stack a bunch of calls on how you
feel about this. But Clay, you know, for example, to
call out JD. Van s or to call out Bouquetley. Really,
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that's that's where the worst human rights stuff is going on.
This is just left wing and doctrination. I mean, I
know that now he's you know, he's going to be
consecrated as the pope and it's a big deal, But
he was just a priest before this, and he was
a priest that clearly held some very left wing views,
you know, not talking about about the the assault on
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Christians in the Muslim world, or the suppression of Christianity
and just general authoritarianism in China and not talking of Ay.
There are so many areas, so many things you could
go into here, or so many leaders you could call out.
What about all these European leaders who are effectively for euthanasia?
Abortion all well, depends on which European country. Abortion usually
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about six and six of the months of a pregnancy.
It depends on where you are, you know, all all
of the gender ideologies stuff, the destruction of the family,
the destruction of marital relationships, or rampant pornography, and I
mean just all that stuff that is supported by a
lot of leaders in the Western world. And you're calling
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out Boukeley. What about what about saying thanks Boukeley for
taking the murder rate from one of the worst in
the world to one of the lowest in the world
and saving thousands and thousands of lives and hundreds of
thousands of people's lives in the sense that they didn't
just lose a family member or lose the guy that
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was employing them in the business or whatever, because they
weren't murdered by some cartelmaniacs.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
This is what you have. A tough time.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I had a very tough time with the last Pope,
and I just chose not to speak to my very
I have some very devout Catholic family members and I
cannot talk to them.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
I couldn't talk to.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Them about the last Pope, really, because I had nothing
good to say about a lot of the statements climate
change stuff. It's a little bit like when a pope
talks about guns. There's just a lot of a lot
of ignorance and a bit of hubris, just saying you know,
if you don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't care what your role is.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
So, like I said, I will put this out there,
but I hope that this Pope is fantastic on a
whole range of other issues, and maybe there's an opening
here for some great things to happen. I am hopeful,
as one should be, that this Pope will be great.
I would point out that when he shared two different
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posts about Trump and also about JD. Vance, there was
well knowledge that Pope Francis was not well. And if
you were playing the politics game and you were an American,
I bet it does not hurt to not be pro
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Trump if you are trying to ascend to become pope.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Look, so this is like this is a so Now.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I had a grandparent who was very Catholic, as in
I went to church not just every Sunday, but like
random times during the week for her whole life. And
but was also really into what what I would call
the left wing. There's really there's really Catholic mark, there's
a Catholic Marxist wing of the church. There's a she
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even subscribed to something called the Catholic Worker, which is
effectively Catholic Communists, which I you know, Communism is always
radically in practice, radically anti Catholic, anti God, and horrifically destructive.
And I would even argue demonic, but unfortunately, you know,
the devil. The devil is the father of lies and
often presents himself, so to speak, as something quite appealing.
(55:44):
And I think for a lot of Catholics, the well,
we are all supposed to just give all we have
and go follow Jesus, and that means we should have
open borders and nobody should be wealthy.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
I mean, the Vatican's got a lot of fancy artwork
like this stuff starts to get really tough for people
in the real world application. Again, there's a difference between
the doctrine of the Church and what the Pope says
as his opinion on things. And yeah, I on the
doctrine stuff aligned on the pope's opinion stuff, I often
(56:19):
find myself not aligned. And I wonder how many of
you have the same have the same feelings. But on
the good side of things, he's American, so we got
that going for us. He's voted in a lot of
Republican primaries and he's voted Republican. Well, I give him
credit for this, and that's actually a very important reminder.
I don't understand how you can be a practicing and believing,
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a practicing, believing Catholic and vote for the Democrat Party.
And one of my problems would be that this pope,
for example, calls out jade events. I mean, based on
the church's own doctrine, I mean, Joe Biden, people that
advocate for abortion for all nine months of a pregnancy
and their public role should be excommunicated from the church.
But they don't do that or even just have a
called out. They won't do that, and that I think
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is a huge problem, a huge problem for a lot
of us who say, okay, so you'll call out jd
Vance or something on some I don't even know what
it was, on like being open borders, which there's really
also I mean, I think that some priests don't really
understand this. To be honest with you, I studied with
a lot of Jesuits. We're very smart on some things
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and truly ignorant on others. And you know they're not
people that have had to pay a lot of bills.
Just put it that way, they effectively live in communes.
I mean they are in essence, the Society of Jesus
is the closest thing to a functioning, an actual functioning
communist system, at least the theoretical practice of it, that
you'll find anywhere. And that's a joke that a Jesuit
actually told me. So they don't understand things like if
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you have an open border in this country, all of
the public welfare and you know, programs to help the
poor in this country effectively go under because you're saying
that all of these people have a claim to the
program that we have that are meant to help people.
And by the way, if you don't pay into those
programs the form of taxes, you go to prison because
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men with guns come and arrest you in the name
of the state. It's not as simple as just like
we've got a lot of food, we're gonna feed everybody.
I'd also point out he's from Peru now, and so
I look at it politically. A lot of these guys
are not going to be trying to draw attention to themselves.
They're going to try to stay in whatever is considered
to be the main stream. That's fine, and then ultimately
(58:29):
the buck stops with you, no pun intended, when you
become the guy at the head of the Catholic Church.
So sometimes you don't have any idea how a politician
is going to lead until they actually end up in
a position of power because they've been trying to kind
of hide in the current. For lack of a better
way to describe it, I would think if you're trying
to become the first American pope, there are probably people
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lied against you because of America's power in the world,
and so I see it as kind of an attempt
to camouflage yourself within the flow of whatever direction the
river is going in some way looking at some of
these breadcrumbs for lack of another way to describe it,
on the social media accounts, but I'm curious to any
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