May 9, 2025 • 58 mins
Biden’s Out of Hiding
The guys break down President Joe Biden's controversial appearance on "The View." The hosts argue that Biden's performance was a disaster and suggest that the media's coverage of him has been misleading. They emphasize the importance of holding the media accountable to delegitimize their reporting on Donald Trump and other political figures.
The conversation shifts to the upcoming book by Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper, which is expected to reveal damaging information about Biden and the Democratic Party. The hosts speculate that the Biden administration is attempting to preemptively address these revelations. They also discuss the internal struggles within the Democratic Party, particularly the fight for leadership and the party's future direction.
Kelly Loeffler
SBA Administrator Kelly Loeffler provides insights into the optimism among small businesses and the importance of tax certainty for economic growth.
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Former Navy SEAL David Rutherford, in a hypothetical discussion about a group of Navy SEALs fighting a gorilla, showcases their humorous side while also touching on military strategy and camaraderie. Rutherford also breaks down the latest from the Pentagon.
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Fox News Host Steve Hilton joins to discuss his run for Governor of California. He details the reasons why he’s running, his potential opponents, and how far the state has fallen.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yesterday we got the brand new American Pope, and as
a result, we did not spend as much time breaking
down Joe Biden's disastrous appearance.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On the view.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I think Democrats actually got a break by the
fact that the pope announcement happened while Biden was doing
an interview, because it was an unmitigated disaster. And for
those of you out there who say, Okay, we know
that they covered up, we know that Biden was never
(00:36):
able to be president, we know that the media was
willing to carry water for him, why do you keep
talking about it? I think it's hugely important to hold
the media accountable because it also delegitimizes any of their
reporting now about Donald Trump and whether or not he's
(00:59):
fit to be in office. And you could say, well,
we know he's fit, yes, but you have to persuade.
Politics is the art of persuasion, and if you can
delegitimize the arguments of people who are dishonest over time,
that's how you win a landslide in all fifty states,
which is what Trump did in twenty twenty four and
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what we hope will continue in twenty twenty six and
going forward in twenty twenty eight. So this matters for
that reason, and we did not play this, But there
seems to be a series of revelations that must be
particularly devastating to Joe Biden, which we told you would
(01:43):
happen as soon as his political career was over, the
truth would finally be told. And it appears maybe in
this new book that's coming out from Alex Thompson and
from Jake Tapper, whatever you think of them as the source,
it appears that this is going to be uniquely devastating,
not just to Joe Biden, but to the Democrat Party
(02:06):
and their legacy media allies who continued to argue, hey,
he's able to do this job, and so they're trying
to get in front of this. This is my theory
back and they're trying to get out in front of
this and pre butt it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
A bit a slight adjustment to that, Clay. It wasn't
that he was okay to do the job. It's that
he was the best he had ever been. It's that
he was sharp at attack. That's right. If you didn't
see this the way they did, you were the propagandist,
You were the person that was living in a fantasy
(02:40):
Joe Biden could challenge somebody to a cognitive test and
a push up contest, anybody in the room, and he
was gonna win. That was the tone for four years.
I just I just want to add, you know, it wasn't. Okay, guys,
he's a little enfeebled, but we still think that when
push comes to shove, you know, he could make the
wise judgment from the wheelchair, so to speak, if he
has to. It was he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, he's the best version he's ever been. Sorry, I
just I think that's a no. I think that's true.
I mean, it wasn't even just that he could do
the job to your point, for the Joe Scarboroughs of
the world. In many of MSNBC's host it was Biden's
not just doing the job, he's great at it and
he's the best version of himself. Yes, I think the
phrase sharp as attack will never be the same after
(03:23):
the Biden era, no doubt. Okay, So he was asked
about this and do you believe this by the way
that the Biden people must know that this is going
to be devastating, because otherwise why are they deciding to
do interviews. I guess another argument could be well, this
is just the Biden money train, and they're trying to
chug along and hoover up as much cash as they
(03:45):
possibly can. But I don't even think that's working anymore
because we know Hunter's basically bankrupt. I think this is
about trying to prebut the arguments that are soon going
to be impossible to ignore because you know, even CNN
when Jake tap But writes the book, they're going to
treat it like, I mean, it's the Great Gatsby that's
just been released for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think it's also it's damage assessment, and it's who
is going to you know, since since they have had
this blow up within the Democrat Party, which this last election,
the Hoole Biden kam La fiasco clearly was play, I
think that part of this also is an internal Democrat
fight for who's going to be the leadership. I don't
(04:29):
just mean the candidate, I mean who are going to
be the people calling the shots for the Democrats going forward,
because right now it doesn't really it's an open field
that doesn't really exist. It's like they're emerging from the
ruins of their own integrity, which is gone. Okay, let's
go ahead and let's play.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This was Alyssa Farr Griffin, who used to work in
the Trump White House, specifically referencing the book and asking
Biden to defend himself. I'm not sure how long this
cut is exactly, but guys, do we have the part
where Jill Biden just takes over because Joe can't answer
the question and has to answer it for him. Okay,
so that's the important pivot here. Biden tries to argue, Oh,
(05:11):
I'm fit as a fiddle, I'm great at being president.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's totally untrue.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Can't even make the argument himself, and Jill Biden has
to step in and try and make the argument for him.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Listen, what is your response to these allegations?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Are these sources wrong?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
They are wrong. There's nothing to sustain that number one.
Number two, you know, think of what we were left for.
We left for the circumstance where we had an insurrection
and I started nonsense of civil war. We had a
circumstance where we are in a position that we well
(05:50):
the pandemic because of the incompetence of the last outfit,
end up over a million people dying, million people dying,
and we're also in a situation where we found ourselves
unable to deal with a lot of just basic issues.
And I won't go into him. It's an interesting time.
And so we went to work and we got it done.
(06:13):
And you know, one of the things that that well, I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Trying well and listen, you know, one of the things
I think is that the people who wrote those books
were not in the White House with us, and they
didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So she goes on and tries to make the argument
I saw Joe Biden work so hard and everything else.
I just think this is again a lot of this
went under the radar, fortunately for Democrats, because the Pope
got announced right as Biden was trying to go on
the view. I don't understand, although it is sad, how
often and why he hasn't called on it. He always
(06:56):
tries to get out of trying to answer questions now
by saying he doesn't have enough time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you noticed this.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The only reason you're on that program is to have
as much time to make the case as you would like.
I understand, sometimes we have to cut people off. Sometimes
we have to cut ourselves off because we're going to
commercial break. But Joe Biden is not going to commercial
break every time. His brain just trails off and he
can't continue, and then other people around him have to
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kind of pick up the pieces. Which is what you
saw Jill talk for over a minute. Whatever you think
about her, she was ten thousand times as effective of
a communicator in that answer as Biden himself was.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I also think that a big part of what we
see going on here is that there are Democrats who
realize and when I see democrats, I mean elected office,
but mostly the media wing of the DNC or just
the media, the non conservative news media, that they realize
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they've humiliated their own voters, They've humiliated their own base.
And I talk about this sometimes, right, there are a
lot Journalists can get away with a lot, but you know,
they can lie, they can they can be totally dishonest
on a whole range of things. But as long as
they are making the people at home watching MSNBC or
(08:15):
reading the Washington Post feel like they're smarter and ha
how they're like making fun of the Republicans, no matter what,
they can basically get away with it. When they run
into real problems is when they they tell their audience
to go along with something they do, and they're made
to look like idiots and they lose. Right, if Kamala
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had won, let me tell you, none of these people
would have cared about all these Biden stories at all.
The problem that they're dealing with now is they said, hey, guys,
go along with this lie that Joe Biden's find and
look like dumbasses who can't tell you know anything from anything.
And then they had to say, oh, sorry, go behind Kamala.
(08:59):
Are you know, get behind Kamala. She's gonna be the
one who wins this. And then it was oop, sorry,
Trump actually defeated us. Right, So they have disappointed and
humiliated their own base by pushing the lie. And so
I think part of this clay is damage control within
their tribe, so to speak. This is why Biden's going
out there and these books are coming out, and it's
(09:21):
they've got to make the Democrat audience feel like, hey,
there's some excuse, there's some narrative here for what happened.
That isn't we have no ethics and we made you
look like idiots and we were wrong about everything, Because
that's actually what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Would it not help them if Biden just vanished, though,
Like if you were trying to clean up the mess
on Isle Biden, isn't the best way to clean up
the mess on our isle Biden just to have Biden vanish.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This is the end of it right now. To your
point about the getting ahead of some of the stuff
they have to they know that the badst that, you know,
this is really all within their own This is like
an intramural fight, right, this is within the dem They
already lost, Trump crushed them. Republicans are in charge. You know,
Trump and his team are all focused on the doing
stuff in governing the country and you know, making the
(10:12):
economy hum all these things, securing the border. Democrats are
in the shadows. They're in the way, in the backbench.
They're up in the bleachers trying to figure out, okay,
so who's calling the shots now, and what the heck
just happened. They're still in that phase. I know it's
May so it's been a few months, but I think
that they are in the you know, a military right,
you'd call it a hot wash after you go out
outside the wire. They're still figuring out what the heck
(10:34):
happened and That's why they need to present this stuff
in a way that their own side can psychologically get past.
What a total disaster the last twelve months where I
mean the last twelve months of the Democrat Party was
just an outright disaster, you know, not just losing the election.
It's how they lost the election, who they lost the
election to, what promises were made to them, I mean
(10:55):
to the Democrat voter. I think this is not going
to go away.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And a part of me thinks that Biden cares about
his legacy. Jill certainly cares about Biden's legacy. What they
should do is just have him vanish. Most presidents who
choose not to run again or who are in a
position where they were term limited out, which effectively Biden
(11:22):
was in some ways kind of vanish. I mean, when
do you ever see George W.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Bush. George W. Bush didn't even show up at the
White House.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I know he doesn't have a great relationship with Trump,
but they have unveiled a new Barbara Bush stamp Milania
did yesterday. Looks fabulous. By the way, George W. Bush
and Laura Bush wouldn't go to the White House. Clay,
I think this is the last.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This is the last gasp of Bidenism on the public
stage period. I don't think this is about him trying
to get more money, but that's not happening. He has
nothing to like, he has nothing left to sell. He
sold his office and his soul. It's all over, right,
there's nothing left. So this is the last Still, it's
just for him trying to set the legacy in the
least damaging light possible of what, you know, what his
(12:07):
presidency was. And I know this is a little intense
and maybe sounds like a little mean spirited even, but
I just think it's true, and I think that the truth,
unfortunately in this case, is mean spirited. He had brain issues.
They lied about it. They put the country in peril.
They sold their dignity and their integrity to try to
defeat Donald Trump, and they lost. And now they're dealing
with the emotional and psychological devastation as a party that
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they brought on themselves. They deserve this. Yeah, and don't
mistake this else either. They're still trying to argue they
would have won the race. I mean, he said it
directly on the view. This is the only way I
think the Biden team can justify anything. We told you
that eventually it's going to turn into a knife fight
(12:51):
over who's to blame. They're trying to say, basically, Kamala lost,
that Biden would have won, but that the party was
not allied behind him. They we told you this would
happen too.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
If he steps down and she wins, he's a hero.
If he steps down and she loses, well it's her fault,
of course. But also, Clay, think about what the alternative is.
The alternative would be that Donald Trump, who they said
needed to be locked up in a cell, and tried.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
To do so. Okay, they raided mar A Lago, they
brought four criminal indictments, They had Letitia James running nonsense
civil cases against him. They threw the kitchen sink at Trump,
and not only did he effectively defeat Biden with a debate,
he defeated their next in line. Yes, it was a
one two punch. Think about what that looks like. The
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president and vice president are supposed to be the two
best shots you got to run the country, right, It
supposed to be really generally speaking, I mean you could
argue with the vice president thing Trump beat them both
in the same election. Cycle. So the only way to
have any sense of the Democrat Party is not a
total joke right now is to say, Okay, we made
a mistake about Biden. We should have kept him, and
(13:59):
otherwise it's Trump could have run the table and beaten
anybody we threw against it well, which I think that probably,
which is true. That's what's happening in twenty seven. We're
giving you a two year preview on their talking points.
When Trump can't run again, they're going to argue, Hey,
it's not about us being bad, it's that Trump is
not Hitler anymore. He's the greatest political candidate Republican Party
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I'm crazy. That's going to be the argument they start
making in twenty seven.
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Kelly Lefler with us now. She's in the Trump cabinet
as the head of the Small Business Administration. Also David
Rutherborg going to be with us next hour. And then
Steve Hilton running for governor of California. I think you
did mention that because you mentioned his fabulous accent. She
also is fabulous. Kelly Leffler been all traveling all over
the country as part of Small Business Week, and Kelly,
(15:53):
I just want to kind of tee you up here
right off the top, how do you see based on
your travels and the data that you have access to,
small business is clearly the engine that drives, by and large,
the American economy is not huge businesses. Actually, it's all
the dynamics small businesses out there that are so incredibly important.
What are you seeing on your travels and how would
(16:13):
you assess the overall economic status of the country right now?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Well, you're absolutely right. Small businesses are not only the backbone,
but there's the economic engine of this great nation. It's
ninety nine percent of all businesses across this country. So
it's incredibly humbling to be the cabinet level person advocating
within the Trump administration for small business. And there is
no stronger champion for small business and President Trump he
(16:38):
always says, Kelly, small business is big business, and I've
seen that as I traveled across the country. I was
everywhere from Boise, Idaho, to Phoenix, Arizona, to Nashville this week.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But every week I'm out.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
With small businesses and there's tremendous optimism thanks to President
Trump's pro business, pro growth agenda to lower taxes, get
rid of regulation, and tape out of the way, and
obviously what we do is we provide capital, which is
a lifeblood of businesses.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Kelly, thanks for being here with us. There's some that
I know in the small business community who are all
supportive when it comes to the Trump tariffs, what he's
trying to accomplish, and they think it will benefit them
long term. But I have heard concerns about short term
supply shock that could hit in the next few months,
for example, because of particularly what's going on with China,
(17:29):
right That's where there's some issue. Are you seeing any
reason for concern when it comes to supply shock that
could affect a lot of businesses that rely on some
of those imports, And if so, what do you think
can be done to kind of mitigate that so we
can get to the other side where the trade deals
are in and things are booming.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yeah, it's an important question. Look, there's going to be
a period of adjustment and the President's been very clear
about that, and as we talk with small businesses, that
concern is far outweighed by the opportunities that they see.
Finally have fair trade. So when you hear the word tariff,
think fair trade and restoring what we used to have
in this country, which was a reliable supply chain that
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obviously got hollowed out. We lost seventy thousand manufacturing plants,
five million jobs. So at the SBA, what we're trying
to do is create a connection between supply chains, manufacturers
to onshore. We're going to be providing those connections to
small businesses so that they can have alternatives to where
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they're importing from China. If they've built their businesses around
Chinese Communist Party manufacturing, we have to make sure we
bring that back. But it's already being done in America,
everything from aerospace to Saks to microchips and beyond. Like
we're already doing this. The left wing media narrative is
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that we can't and we should not do this, but
I'm telling you it's happening, and all it relies on is,
you know, continuing to push those tax cuts through, get
rid of regulation, and make sure we have a skilled
work for us, and we're going to be stronger than
ever before.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Kelly, when you look at this bill that is obviously
working its way through Congress, right now, the big so
called big beautiful bill that we expect to see come
through sometime around Memorial Day. How important do you believe
it is based on the conversations that you're having to
have some form of tax certainty given that the tax
cuts that Trump initially put into place in twenty seventeen
(19:29):
are set to expire, how important is it for businesses
to know what to expect in that arena.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
I think it's incredibly important, Clay, because I think this
economy is spring loaded for tax cuts, and you know,
I think it's something that's frustrating to me, as someone
who's spent decades in finance, is when the Fed only
looks at tariffs as an issue. We've got so much
counter inflationary good news coming into this economy.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
Not only is.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Inflation falling, but taxes are going to go down. Regulation
is going to go down. If we give small businesses
the certainty that they will continue to have the twenty
percent deduction, bonus depreciation accelerated depreciation back to January twentieth.
I've talked to many manufacturers who are waiting to put
in the order for more C and C machines to
buy more land to grow and build because they're already
(20:22):
getting the orders thanks to President Trump's tariff strategy to
bring people to the table and bring manufacturing here. People
are saying we want to reshore. So it's ready to go.
We need Congress to act.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What should go ahead?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I was just going to say sorry, Building on
that question, I can't believe the number of countries out
there that are cutting interest rates like crazy, in particular
all over Europe. I don't know that we've ever seen
a divide like this. Is there any doubt in your
mind based on what you are seeing that the Fed
should be cutting interest rates?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
There's no doubt in my mind. We have four year
in slationary core inflationary lows. It's much lower when they
did double cuts last fall, right ahead of the election,
And when you have these counter inflationary trends of lower taxes,
less regulation, falling energy prices unbelievably low. We had a
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five handle on the oil price the other day. The
tenure is already kind of self regulating itself down. So
I feel very confident that we should go into the
next rate cut looking at it, but who knows. I mean,
if this has become a political issue, anything could.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Happen if things go and we're speaking to Kelly Leffler,
who runs a small business administration for anyone joining us.
If things go as the Trump team is hoping, and
as we've started to see some indicators, for example, the
deal with the UK, we're hearing about an India deal,
We're hearing about other deals on the horizon. If these
trade deals go through, let's say in the next sixty
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days or so, most of them. Right China is probably
going to be a longer issue. But what happens for
businesses for the rest of the year that is positive? Like,
how are the because right now, I think, as you've said,
Trump has made it clear there might be an adjustment
period and if you're relying on supply chain from China,
there could be some issues with that. But what is
the upside of making this fair trade for We have
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a lot of small business owners listening right now, a
lot of people who work for small businesses right now,
How does this get better for them if the Trump
policy and well, if the Trump deals rather go through.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Yeah, that's a great question. We just saw yesterday the
UK trade deal opened up our ag markets to the
tune of five billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's going to.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Bring in about six billion in tariff revenue. But what
it's also going to do is remove some of the
non tariff barriers that were put into their regulatory apparatus
that blocked our ability to ship our products overseas. I
talked to one logistics company who said his business used
to be half import half export ten fifteen years ago.
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Today it's ten percent export because of all the trade
barriers against our country that have made us more dependent
on bringing in goods. So small businesses that I'm seeing
on the ground, the manufacturers and particularly are gearing up
to invest and make things in America that we can
then ship overseas, keep for ourselves and not be reliant
(23:21):
on anyone for food, for pharmaceuticals, other critical areas of
our trade. So I think, look, small businesses are certainly
just critical in this conversation, and I am making sure
that they have a seat at the table because this
is the again, it's really the backbone of our country,
and we have to make sure that we're well aware
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of everything going on in The President is on top
of it, and that's why he's pushing fair trade, lower taxes,
less regulation, low energy, prices. This all benefits small businesses.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Kelly, I hear you were touring the Tennessee Titans football stadium.
Hopefully at some point in time I'll actually start winning
games when that new stadium opens up. But there is
a lot of optimism. Obviously you've been in Tennessee. Nashville
is growing very rapidly. I know you live in Georgia,
which has also got a pretty good economy rolling What
do you think of the stadium and in general, what
(24:15):
do you think that's going to mean for downtown Nashville
where for people who are around here, I think we're going
to get a Super Bowl, which is going to be
pretty cool in a few years for the city of Nashville.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
I think it's a tremendous investment that is really powering
the economy. Even today, we saw a thousand workers on site,
driven by more than sixty five small businesses that are
helping build that stadium. And so in addition to the
entertainment value and the value it brings to small businesses
in terms of creating sustainable businesses around that stadium, it's
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just going to create this venue that builds a really
strong community. And I was with your great Governor, Governor Lee,
and just looking at you, I think the state is
now the crane, the construction crane, given how many cranes
are in the air there. But it was exciting to
see and they're doing a fantastic job. There was a
great small business contractor that won the SBA one of
(25:13):
the contractor or the SBA awards, And you know, he
was just talking about the generational change that this economic
development is creating for all communities across Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
What does it look like, Kelly, if we get to
a reasonable best case outcome, specifically with the trade tariff
issue with China, like what we know with our other allies,
because you've already seen some of they go, Okay, we
need to reassess this, you need to even some things out.
That's fine. China is a different ballo axe and a
(25:45):
much bigger challenge, I think than obviously our allies offer
for clear reasons. What does it look like if Trump
gets that where he wants it to be.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
Yeah, that's an important question in those conversations are starting tomorrow.
It sounds like and what we need to make sure
is that America America's interests are protected in this in
ways that they have not been in the past, whether
it's intellectual property. What happened is we would send our
intellectual property overseaves, they'd manufacture it for us, and then
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they'd put the trade barrier up, so they would have
stolen our intellectual property manufactured it there for their people,
and then we lose that market. So we're going to
have those protections. We're going to have larger markets if
we can have more cooperative reciprocal trade levels, and then
we won't have the non tariff trade barriers that they've
set up against us. They've put up kind of false
(26:37):
environmental barriers, health barriers and other things that they don't
hold themselves to, but they can erect that against our manufacturers.
And so I think restoring our strength by having manufacturing
here and pursuing our energy dominance agenda, we start mining
in America again, getting the rare earth minerals and making
(26:59):
sure that we TechEd our economic security and our national
security at the same time, because we have seen with
the Chips situation and others, rarers were way too dependent
on China in terms of national security. And I've seen
some great chips manufacturers, small businesses in America. This can
be done, but we have to really focus in on
(27:20):
that as much as we're focusing on what China is doing.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Kelly Leffler, Administrator of the US Small Business Administration, Kelly,
thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
Thank you all. Great to be with you.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm optimistic, well, we've been optimistic the whole time actually
about the economy.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think we have this summer, and again I don't
want to go full Jim Kramer here because he tends
to be wrong on everything, but I think by the summer,
as more and more of these trade deals are rolling out,
I think we will be back near an all time
high in where stock prices are.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, some of our adversaries get a vote as well.
And officials from the Bricks Nations or meeting in Brazil
this July to discuss the US dollar. I mean, these
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One of the topics at that meeting is whether they
can displace the US dollar as the global currency. They're
calling this a rio reset for a reason. If that
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Speaker 1 (29:27):
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Speaker 2 (29:32):
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Speaker 1 (29:32):
Lot of different people in there that you are gonna love,
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We have a new announcement that I think people are
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(29:55):
exactly what it's like to be a former Navy seal
and also a badass when it comes to analyzing so
many of the different aspects having to do with defense.
But before we get into all that, Buck and I
have been debating off air. I don't know we really
ever debated it on air, a question that has taken
the Internet by fire. It is Friday. You are a
(30:16):
Navy sealed training by background, one of the badasses on
the planet. If you and ninety nine of your Navy
Seal buddies got to fight a single gorilla, what would
your strategy be and what do you think the outcome
would be? Only your bare hands, only the gorilla's bare
hands as well, obviously, how do you attack? What is
(30:38):
your plan and what is the outcome?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Well, Clay, I was you know what, I didn't want
to come on and talk about into your Pakistan today.
I definitely didn't want to come and talk about the Pope.
I didn't want to talk about Scott Beston's awesome testimony
or cash on the Hill.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
What I wanted to talk about was.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
This plan on how to hammer these gorillas.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
All right, this is easy.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I've been thinking about this since it first came out.
You don't need one hundred team guys. You need seventeen
drunk team guys, right, and you need two to bring
some type of like hypnotization on them, right, lull them down,
and then you need two of your biggest meatheads to
attack the legs, attack the arms, and then the rest
(31:21):
of them. They just sit on top of them and
they do these calming petting techniques and tell he goes
limp and then they just choke him out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's the technique, So you think you could hypnotize the
gorilla into submission.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
One hundred, Push said, howbn't you seen the famous video
of Robin Williams sitting with that silver back and like
petting them and putting them into that or or Jane
Goodall in the forest she goes over and she catch
his arm. I'm telling you the whole thing, like you're
gonna bum rush a silver back. That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And I'll tell you what, you gotta have.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Seventeen drunk team guys to even remotely consider the whole
hypnotization process.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, this is what I've been saying to everybody Rut,
and that is if you allow this to be like
the Spartans at Thermopyla, where because of the hot gates
they were able to funnel in the Persians and take
them not one at a time, but you know, hundreds
at a time, so they couldn't be surrounded. And you
know that's why I think seventeen is the optimal number.
I totally agree with you, and I appreciate that this,
(32:25):
this plan, this this tactical plan, would come straight from you.
All right, now we can actually get into some other
things in the in the policy realm and you guys
should all check out the David Rutherford Show. How do
you think I mean, I know you were pro secretary
Hegseth going into this whole thing. How do you think
it's going over there so far? What do you make
from some of the Let me ask you this, what
(32:47):
are some of the specops guys that are dear friends
of yours, guys you serve with, how do they feel
about the trajectory of the Pentagon right now?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Definitely shaky? You know, I think we all love that
piece out there. He's doing the dog and ponies, He's
he's doing workouts with the troops, Tim and Tulsey that
there's nothing better than morale boosting when your leader is
out there with you, you know, grinding. But you know,
the Pentagon is a lot different than mourning pt routines.
(33:19):
That building, as you know, Buck.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Uh is is uh. You know, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Its own thing. And with a trillion dollar budget, uh,
you need to get in that building and you need
to go to every floor, every office, make your presence
known and figure out what those offices, what those branches need,
and and start helping them do their job. Overseas and
with foreign policy, because that's the thing. If you're not
(33:47):
in that building, then you're not. You might as well
your your position, your power is essentially muted.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, you mentioned the situation with Indian and Pakistan, and
I know you going to be doing a deep dive
for it in the podcast for people out there, and
I'll put myself in this category that are not experts
in the long term geopolitical relationship between India and Pakistan
and the danger that that relationship can provoke and has
recently flared up. What should we know? What is the
(34:18):
important thing that you think the average American right now
should know about why this matters?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
All right?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Three things are easy, real simple to understand. First and foremost,
this has been going on since nineteen forty eight when
Britain gave that region up. They split into based on
Hindu and Muslim back you know, backgrounds, so that ever
since they're the region of Kashmir has been contentious. They've
(34:44):
had three wars, multiple skirmishes. So this is a long
running thing.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
That's going on. So it's not adam den, no wear
out of new So that's the first thing.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
The other thing, the most important thing, by far is
you know, This is a very strategic place for the
United States because as we try and you know, reshore
a lot of our industrialization and pull it out of
China in particular antibiotics, you know, other different industrial capacities,
(35:14):
and we partner with India, that's really going to give
us a lot more leverage on the world stage economically.
So I think understanding those ties. You know, there is
a little bit of a tricky one with India being
tied to Russia and receiving all of its weapons or
a lot of it's you know, really substantial military support
from Russia. But you have the same thing with China
(35:35):
and Pakistan, so that makes it a little odd. But
the number one thing, hands down by far, is that
these are both nuclear countries. And I just for me
right now, after having suffered through the last four years
with Ukraine and the being on the precipice there, this
one's even more strenuous to me because there's a lot
(35:57):
of pretty radical people in these countries and they are
die hard. So those are the real top three things. Obviously,
on Monday, I'm going to dig into these in a
lot more depth.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know, Dave, we're speaking of David Rutherford he is
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. He's launched
the Dave Rutherford Show David Rutherford Show, which is doing
fantastic numbers already, because you guys are understanding just what
a great program it is, and we appreciate that, you know, Dave.
Pam Bondi announced one of the largest fentanyl seizures in
(36:29):
history this week, clearly because of the change in the
way this administration approaches the border compared to what they
had with Joe Biden before. Right wide open border, bad
border with actual security procedures and law and order in place. Good.
But now it starts to raise I think the question
again about well, what about going more to the source,
(36:49):
not just stopping the end users from getting their hands
on this from dealers on the streets, the cartels who
pull those strings, but the cartel's on the Mexican side
of the border, somebody the special operations community. How do
you think it goes? If Trump follows through and what
was talked about early on here with using much more
aggressive tactics, including special operators when necessary to go after
(37:14):
top cartel guys across the border.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I personally think it could be substantial. The challenge as
you both know, is how integrated the cartels are in
the political system in Mexico. You know, I'm still waiting
to see a more strict stance by the President of Mexico.
She's not doing that, I know. You know, at first,
(37:39):
what I would love to see is US really integrate
into their intelligence apparatus, start sharing intel, you know, get
some assistance with US and our intelligence in particular the NSA,
to really kind of slow roll and take these guys
down a little bit more. But you know, in terms
of getting kinetic and putting you know, TAG or dan Nick,
(38:02):
you know, Delta or Seal Team six on the ground
or even GB ground branch, you know, I want to
reserve that for a little bit to see what the
reaction will be, because from what I'm hearing from a
lot of people, there's already you know, the turf war
has really begun because we've cut off their massive sources
of funding from human trafficking, We're debilitating their fentanyl distribution,
(38:27):
so that's going to cause a lot more problems. I
think we hold off on the kinetics, we really lean
in for intelligence support initially.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
All right, it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You've covered a wide range from guerrillas fighting humans, to
to the India Pakistan to how to handle the cartels
in Mexico. You also wade in Buck and I were talking.
Was it last week or this week? I can't even
remember about the rock and Buck I believe played audio
from you as a Navy Sealed spoiler alert nineteen ninety
(38:59):
five film The Navy Seals found themselves in a tough
situation against the Marines.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
You said, that's never happening. They're never putting themselves in
that spot.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
I did, But I mean, obviously, those those gentlemen. Their
plan of getting into Alphatraz, which is supposedly one of
the most secure places ever.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You know, that's a good plan. I you know. My
whole thing was it.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Was having you know, master chiefs. Jenny Chalker was in
that movie. Uh with that with Joe Hawes and Decker
and Instructor Decker and I love these guys so much.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
They played a wait they were at with Dave. This
is important. I didn't realize this. There were actual seals
who were in the like former seals were in the movie.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Oh yeah, command, my, my. When I was at Buds, the.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Command master Chief was Dennis Chalker, who was a plank
owner at Steal Team six when when when Dick Marcinko started,
he chose that he was one of the original guys.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, he was in the movie along with two.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
In strong doctors of my Joe Haas and an instructor Decker,
and these guys like it was really kind of the
first time other than Hubert Humphreys in a couple others,
he's the real guru of seal tactical consulting in the
movie business. But these guys, it was the first time
that they were. There was a ton of Team guys
(40:21):
in this movie. It was awesome to see them. We
loved it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's very very cool. I love you. Did you know
this whole time? I had no idea, you know, I
mean they were actual seals playing seals in the Rock,
which is a movie we love.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Probably made it even tougher for them to get wiped
out by the Marines like they did. How did those guys,
How did those guys show themselves hanging out with the seals?
After that, bro, you went in as the seal and
got taken out by the Marines. I would think that, yeah,
you get to be in a Hollywood movie. Downside you
got murdered, taken out by guys you're supposed to be
able to kick their ass. This would be like New
(40:54):
York Buckett and choked out by Jake Tapper. I don't Yeah,
we'd get to be in a movie, but I don't
know that. I don't know that we could show ourselves
anymore on in media. Yeah we couldn't after that. Yeah,
I mean, look, take Tapper taps you out. You're in trouble.
Will appreciate you being a part of the podcast network.
You're killing it for people who haven't signed up. How
can they find you?
Speaker 6 (41:15):
You could just go to iHeartMedia app and just look
up to David running Ford Show. We're also on Spotify, Apple, iTunes,
podcast everywhere there's audio, and you can also find us
on YouTube, x, Instagram, tik tak the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Man, we're out there.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
Just look up the David Rutherford Show.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
RUT appreciate you. We got to get you out on
the rain soon because I got to get my skills
up to speed so that when Clay comes out there
as a first time or we're really going to get
some great footage.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Oh man, I cannot wait.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
We are going to run play ragging out there.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's gonna be awesome. All right, Ron, thank you sir.
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
All right.
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Speaker 2 (43:18):
We got our friend Steve Hilton on the line with
us now. He is of Fox News fame and he
is running for governor of our biggest state by population, California.
A lot of you are residents of that great state,
which is poorly governed but still a lovely place. Steve,
good to have you on the program.
Speaker 10 (43:38):
Oh, it's fantastic to be with you.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
And I've got a new claim to fame, okay, which
is that Gavin Newsom just launched what he calls a
fact checking website to fight back against misinformation and the
MAGA trolls.
Speaker 10 (43:52):
And guess who is his first target?
Speaker 9 (43:54):
Me?
Speaker 11 (43:55):
So I think I'm doing something right if he's focusing
on me, and guess what he Folks on a point
that I made about people leaving California said that is false.
Our population is growing, and so Clay if I can
just use a very simple basic sports analogy, own goal,
Gavin Newsom. Yes, our population is growing in California, but
(44:16):
only because of illegal immigration. Actual people are leaving in
droves because of the mismanagement, the taxes, the regulation, the
insanity of Gavin Newsom and this fifteen years of one
party rule by the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
All right, Steve, I want you to introduce I know
you've been on the show before. You had a great
book that came out recently, but I want to give
you an opportunity because there's tons of people listening right
now in California. Also, as you just mentioned, a lot
of people who used to live in California that are
listening to us right now. You love the state of California.
You grew up a huge fan of a beautiful state.
(44:51):
What is your background and how have you come to
end up running for governor of California?
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Book? Can hear? I still have the British accident. I
was born and raised in the UK.
Speaker 11 (45:05):
My parents Hungarian, actually they were produced from communism in Hungary.
Most of my families back in Hungy and then in
twenty twelve we moved here to California with my wife
and my two sons. So I've raised my family here.
I taught at Stamford University, I started a business here.
All of that before joining Fox News, and in fact,
(45:26):
just before moving here to California, I worked in the
government in the UK, our senior advisor to Prime Minister
David Cameron, where I was really leading our domestic policy reform.
So I've worked in government, I've worked in the private sector.
Speaker 10 (45:42):
I've had this show on Fox News.
Speaker 11 (45:43):
I've just written a book about how California is the
worst run state in America. But the good news is
all of that is man made. This is not a
natural disaster. These are all decisions and policies implemented by Democrats.
We can turn it all around as long as we
vote for people who are going to bring change. And
that's why I'm running for governor. It's very obvious what
(46:03):
needs to be done here. It's just as the President says,
it's just common sense. It's not complicated. But we just
need to vote for change. Too many people, I think,
have given up on California. They assume it's going to
be like this forever. That is not the case. I've
been on the road now nearly three weeks. Everywhere I
go you get this huge energy, people just sick and
tired of the nonsense and really optimistic that now we've
(46:25):
got a candidate with the energy and the ideas to
make a difference, and that's going to be me.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Steve, it would be you know, obviously there was another
very successful and well known immigrant to this country, legal
immigrant to this country who became the governor, so we
all remember, and he was I believe a Republican at
the time. So it is possible were a ways out
from where you would get the opportunity to dethrone nousimism,
(46:53):
which even though the Democrats would kick and scream about
it would be for their own good. But how do
you run that gauntlet? I mean, what can you do
in a state like California where what is it about
sixty forty Democrat or Republican by registration maybe a little more. Yeah,
how can you actually thread this needle and win? It
has been done in the not too distant past. What
(47:15):
would you have to do to make this a serious race?
And you know, not like there are some people that
run for governor there as a vanity campaign. What are
you going to do?
Speaker 10 (47:24):
One percent totally agree with that.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
And look, here's the starting point is that there are
some ingredients that are grounds for optimism. So in the
last election in November twenty twenty four, ten counties in
California flip from blue to red, and you know, including
some significant ones like Fresno County. I'll be there later today.
I'm in the Central Valley today with our great egg industry,
which I've been a huge supporter of. Fresno County. Fresno's
(47:48):
the fifth biggest city in California flip from blue to
read along with nine other counties. Huntington Beach, the biggest
city in Orange County. That's where I launched my campaign
a couple of weeks ago, because it's so symbolic.
Speaker 10 (47:59):
Just four years ago.
Speaker 11 (48:00):
For a little bit little over four years ago, the
city council there was six to one Democrat. Now it's
seven zero Republican massive turnaround there and was just rated
the best run city in California. You look at the
number of votes that President Trump got in California. That's
more than enough to win in twenty twenty six, which
is a midterm year where you tend to have lower
(48:23):
voting turnout. So if all the Trump voters turn out
in twenty twenty six, I will win. Now, of course
that's a big if, but it's something you can work
on to persuade people that it's worth going out to vote.
And then the final ingredient, and this is really where
my focus is going to be, is just as you've
seen across the country in the Trump years, this massive
political realignment with Latinos and working class voters shifting from
(48:48):
Democrat to Republican.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
That's our opportunity in California.
Speaker 11 (48:52):
Latinos are the largest group in California forty percent of
the population, and the working class vote, which the Democrats
have taken for granted, is right there for the taking now.
I was in East LA on Monday, sitting down with
working class Latino families, parents, and business owners.
Speaker 10 (49:07):
They are sick of all the nonsense.
Speaker 11 (49:09):
They're the people hammered the most by these policies, the
tax increases, the regulations, the climate extremism. That tells you
what kind of truck to drive and how.
Speaker 10 (49:18):
To cook your food. They've had it with all of
that stuff, the nonsense in the schools.
Speaker 11 (49:22):
So I think that's our opportunity, and I'm going to
really go for it with that kind of populist message.
I think that's the real heart of this. The theme
of my show was positive populism. I wrote a book
a few years ago called Positive Populism. I think that's
how we can pull this off in California.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
What's the latest on the wildfires in the La Area,
Pacific Palacades, Alta Dina, If I remember correctly the neighborhoods
that were most devastated, and how do you think that
might have shaken people out of some of the entrenched
politics that they might have embraced for a generation.
Speaker 11 (49:58):
It's incredibly important because it is just an absolute symbol
of everything that's wrong with California, because it's this combination
of ideological extremism and governing incompetence. Those two things together,
the ideology is what led to the fact that these
fires were so much worse than they need have been
because of the environmental extremism that said, you can't clear brush,
(50:22):
you can't manage your land properly. People are fined for
trying to clear brush from their own property, all driven
by their climate extremism. And then you see the incompetence,
of course, the empty reservoir, the fire hydrants with no water,
the fire department that was not deployed properly, on and
on right, and the reason that's so important. And now
(50:42):
you see the incompetence totally exceeding even what we saw before.
Karen Bass saying to President Trump to his face, yes,
we're going to get on with it, an issue permits
for rebuilding and do it in record time. Still, I
mean a few weeks ago is four permits had been issued.
Now I think it's up to the massive number of thirty.
It is an absolute joke. It and exposes how ridiculous
(51:04):
these people are. So Karen Bass, a few weeks ago
she did a press conference where she announced where the
post that she put out said, I have just signed
an executive order streamlining permitting for rebuilding Los Angeles. If
you actually look at what she said, it says she said,
I've just signed an executive order tasking agency heads with
(51:24):
developing paths forward to streamlining permits.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
In other words, it's bs because all you've.
Speaker 11 (51:31):
Got from these California politicians is these idiots who have
no clue how to run anything. All they do is
manage their way around the political machine that's being exposed.
And the reason it matters so much that it's in LA,
it's because Los Angeles is the biggest county in California.
Twenty three percent of the vote is LA County. So
the fact that that's the place that's been so directly
(51:53):
exposed to the disaster of Democrat rule is incredibly important
and another great ingredient for how we can win here.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Speaking of Steve Hilton, he has announced his candidacy for
governor of California. I was wondering, Steve, because you would
have an ear to the ground, so to speak, on
how things are going with the opposition there, with the
Democrats that you're going to try to unseat. The future
of Kamala Harris in California politics. People talk about her
still as possible governor, they talk about her still as
(52:22):
possible presidential candidate. How do you see Kamala's future?
Speaker 11 (52:29):
Well, what just in terms of what I'm hearing to
take the first part of your question, what we're hearing
from those close to her and reporters who follow her
movements is that she's been told in no uncertain terms
that there's really no support for her from the donors
from the Democrat machine for another presidential run.
Speaker 10 (52:49):
That the support isn't there for that.
Speaker 11 (52:51):
So if she wants to do anything, it's going to
be governor of California. I would welcome that, because when
people ask me, well, how are you going to win
as a Republican in California, Here's what I say.
Speaker 10 (53:01):
The truth is, we've got majorities in.
Speaker 11 (53:03):
California now who say, for a long time have been
saying it's time for change.
Speaker 10 (53:07):
States going in the wrong direction, all of that.
Speaker 11 (53:09):
So the candidate who's going to win in twenty twenty six,
regardless of party label, is the change candidate. Kamala Harris
is literally the most implausible change.
Speaker 10 (53:20):
Candidate you could ever imagine.
Speaker 11 (53:22):
She's been around in California politics for decades and she's
done nothing of any note where is a single accomplishment
in all her years da of San Francisco, Attorney General
of California, Senator for California, vice vice president, and a
disastrous presidential candidate. Not once in any of those years,
(53:43):
but she actually delivered anything of value to anybody in
the real world. And so I don't think there's anything
better that would help our chances more than for Kamala
Harris to be the candidate. Plus you'd get I think,
a lot of support right across the country from people
who would love the chance to beat her again.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I love your pitch, and I think that you not
being from California actually makes the pitch really resonate.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Buck and I have talked about this.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I didn't get to go visit the state of California
until I think I was twenty one. I had a
college roommate from there, went out and visited. Buck grew
up in New York City. California was a shimmering city
on a hill, dreamy for a lot of people who
live in many parts of the United States. And I
bet also for kids like you growing up in England,
growing up in Europe, that it was a place that
(54:31):
people aspired to go. You can help to tell that
story and bring it back. But when you travel the state,
do you get that sense that there still is that
desire to make California really epitomize and personify the American dream?
Speaker 11 (54:46):
Oh, Clay, you're so right about that. In fact, there's
a very specific example of what you about. Back in
the day before when I was working for David Cameron,
he was the leader of the Conservative Party. I was
his as chief policy advisor. Before we actually before he
became Prime Minister. The Spectator magazine print magazine in the
UK ran a cover story about the plans that we
were developing, and the headline of the piece was California Dreaming,
(55:13):
and the theme of the article was Steve Hilton, David
Cameron's policy guru. The plans they're developing are all about
making the UK more like California.
Speaker 10 (55:23):
He's inspired by California. He thinks it's the best place
in the world.
Speaker 11 (55:27):
Okay, this was twenty years ago, So I mean, is
there a single political advisor anywhere in the world who
would want to make their country more like California today?
Of course, not that shows how far badly off track
we've gotten, But the point is there. Exactly as you
said to me, California represents the ultimate expression of America.
There's a phrase that I used the whole time, California
(55:47):
means to America, what America means to the world. So
to me, California represents everything I love about this country.
Ambition and energy and optimism and dynamism and startup hustle,
So the rebel spirit, the people who made it here
to the West Coast and went through the Sierra Nevada
and struggled through all those barriers to get here and
(56:09):
build this amazing place that we have, as far as
I'm concerned, the greatest place in the world, California. That's
an amazing energy that we have, and it's been crushed
by this ridiculous, bossy, bureaucratic, nanny state, bloated government. If
we lift that off, there's nothing that we can't do
in California.
Speaker 10 (56:26):
And I love that.
Speaker 11 (56:27):
I'm in love with California in a very very serious way,
and that's why I'm really determined to do this. If
we can turn things around in California, it's not just
going to be great for all of us here, it's
going to be great for the whole country too.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Steve Hilton, where's your website for the campaign? Anybody who
live We have a lot of California listeners. Such a big state,
so many great Republicans behind enemy lines there, where do
they go?
Speaker 11 (56:49):
So Steve Hilton for Governor dot com. Fr Steve Hilton
for Governor dot com. We would love your support. We're
up against a very big and well funded Democrat machine,
the government unions of but I'd love people's time and
energy as well. We've got to really build a grassroots movement,
so you can get involved with us at the website.
Steve Hiltonfogovernor dot com.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
We'll be talking to you more, Steve. Good luck to you,
thanks for being here.
Speaker 10 (57:12):
Fantastic great to see you. Thank you.
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Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do
a lot of it with the Sunday Hang Join Clay
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Yesterday we got the brand new American Pope, and as
a result, we did not spend as much time breaking
down Joe Biden's disastrous appearance.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
On the view.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
And I think Democrats actually got a break by the
fact that the pope announcement happened while Biden was doing
an interview, because it was an unmitigated disaster. And for
those of you out there who say, Okay, we know
that they covered up, we know that Biden was never
(00:36):
able to be president, we know that the media was
willing to carry water for him, why do you keep
talking about it? I think it's hugely important to hold
the media accountable because it also delegitimizes any of their
reporting now about Donald Trump and whether or not he's
(00:59):
fit to be in office. And you could say, well,
we know he's fit, yes, but you have to persuade.
Politics is the art of persuasion, and if you can
delegitimize the arguments of people who are dishonest over time,
that's how you win a landslide in all fifty states,
which is what Trump did in twenty twenty four and
(01:21):
what we hope will continue in twenty twenty six and
going forward in twenty twenty eight. So this matters for
that reason, and we did not play this, But there
seems to be a series of revelations that must be
particularly devastating to Joe Biden, which we told you would
(01:43):
happen as soon as his political career was over, the
truth would finally be told. And it appears maybe in
this new book that's coming out from Alex Thompson and
from Jake Tapper, whatever you think of them as the source,
it appears that this is going to be uniquely devastating,
not just to Joe Biden, but to the Democrat Party
(02:06):
and their legacy media allies who continued to argue, hey,
he's able to do this job, and so they're trying
to get in front of this. This is my theory
back and they're trying to get out in front of
this and pre butt it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
A bit a slight adjustment to that, Clay. It wasn't
that he was okay to do the job. It's that
he was the best he had ever been. It's that
he was sharp at attack. That's right. If you didn't
see this the way they did, you were the propagandist,
You were the person that was living in a fantasy
(02:40):
Joe Biden could challenge somebody to a cognitive test and
a push up contest, anybody in the room, and he
was gonna win. That was the tone for four years.
I just I just want to add, you know, it wasn't. Okay, guys,
he's a little enfeebled, but we still think that when
push comes to shove, you know, he could make the
wise judgment from the wheelchair, so to speak, if he
has to. It was he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, he's the best version he's ever been. Sorry, I
just I think that's a no. I think that's true.
I mean, it wasn't even just that he could do
the job to your point, for the Joe Scarboroughs of
the world. In many of MSNBC's host it was Biden's
not just doing the job, he's great at it and
he's the best version of himself. Yes, I think the
phrase sharp as attack will never be the same after
(03:23):
the Biden era, no doubt. Okay, So he was asked
about this and do you believe this by the way
that the Biden people must know that this is going
to be devastating, because otherwise why are they deciding to
do interviews. I guess another argument could be well, this
is just the Biden money train, and they're trying to
chug along and hoover up as much cash as they
(03:45):
possibly can. But I don't even think that's working anymore
because we know Hunter's basically bankrupt. I think this is
about trying to prebut the arguments that are soon going
to be impossible to ignore because you know, even CNN
when Jake tap But writes the book, they're going to
treat it like, I mean, it's the Great Gatsby that's
just been released for the first time.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think it's also it's damage assessment, and it's who
is going to you know, since since they have had
this blow up within the Democrat Party, which this last election,
the Hoole Biden kam La fiasco clearly was play, I
think that part of this also is an internal Democrat
fight for who's going to be the leadership. I don't
(04:29):
just mean the candidate, I mean who are going to
be the people calling the shots for the Democrats going forward,
because right now it doesn't really it's an open field
that doesn't really exist. It's like they're emerging from the
ruins of their own integrity, which is gone. Okay, let's
go ahead and let's play.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This was Alyssa Farr Griffin, who used to work in
the Trump White House, specifically referencing the book and asking
Biden to defend himself. I'm not sure how long this
cut is exactly, but guys, do we have the part
where Jill Biden just takes over because Joe can't answer
the question and has to answer it for him. Okay,
so that's the important pivot here. Biden tries to argue, Oh,
(05:11):
I'm fit as a fiddle, I'm great at being president.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's totally untrue.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Can't even make the argument himself, and Jill Biden has
to step in and try and make the argument for him.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Listen, what is your response to these allegations?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Are these sources wrong?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
They are wrong. There's nothing to sustain that number one.
Number two, you know, think of what we were left for.
We left for the circumstance where we had an insurrection
and I started nonsense of civil war. We had a
circumstance where we are in a position that we well
(05:50):
the pandemic because of the incompetence of the last outfit,
end up over a million people dying, million people dying,
and we're also in a situation where we found ourselves
unable to deal with a lot of just basic issues.
And I won't go into him. It's an interesting time.
And so we went to work and we got it done.
(06:13):
And you know, one of the things that that well, I'm.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Trying well and listen, you know, one of the things
I think is that the people who wrote those books
were not in the White House with us, and they
didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So she goes on and tries to make the argument
I saw Joe Biden work so hard and everything else.
I just think this is again a lot of this
went under the radar, fortunately for Democrats, because the Pope
got announced right as Biden was trying to go on
the view. I don't understand, although it is sad, how
often and why he hasn't called on it. He always
(06:56):
tries to get out of trying to answer questions now
by saying he doesn't have enough time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you noticed this.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The only reason you're on that program is to have
as much time to make the case as you would like.
I understand, sometimes we have to cut people off. Sometimes
we have to cut ourselves off because we're going to
commercial break. But Joe Biden is not going to commercial
break every time. His brain just trails off and he
can't continue, and then other people around him have to
(07:22):
kind of pick up the pieces. Which is what you
saw Jill talk for over a minute. Whatever you think
about her, she was ten thousand times as effective of
a communicator in that answer as Biden himself was.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I also think that a big part of what we
see going on here is that there are Democrats who
realize and when I see democrats, I mean elected office,
but mostly the media wing of the DNC or just
the media, the non conservative news media, that they realize
(07:55):
they've humiliated their own voters, They've humiliated their own base.
And I talk about this sometimes, right, there are a
lot Journalists can get away with a lot, but you know,
they can lie, they can they can be totally dishonest
on a whole range of things. But as long as
they are making the people at home watching MSNBC or
(08:15):
reading the Washington Post feel like they're smarter and ha
how they're like making fun of the Republicans, no matter what,
they can basically get away with it. When they run
into real problems is when they they tell their audience
to go along with something they do, and they're made
to look like idiots and they lose. Right, if Kamala
(08:36):
had won, let me tell you, none of these people
would have cared about all these Biden stories at all.
The problem that they're dealing with now is they said, hey, guys,
go along with this lie that Joe Biden's find and
look like dumbasses who can't tell you know anything from anything.
And then they had to say, oh, sorry, go behind Kamala.
(08:59):
Are you know, get behind Kamala. She's gonna be the
one who wins this. And then it was oop, sorry,
Trump actually defeated us. Right, So they have disappointed and
humiliated their own base by pushing the lie. And so
I think part of this clay is damage control within
their tribe, so to speak. This is why Biden's going
out there and these books are coming out, and it's
(09:21):
they've got to make the Democrat audience feel like, hey,
there's some excuse, there's some narrative here for what happened.
That isn't we have no ethics and we made you
look like idiots and we were wrong about everything, Because
that's actually what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Would it not help them if Biden just vanished, though,
Like if you were trying to clean up the mess
on Isle Biden, isn't the best way to clean up
the mess on our isle Biden just to have Biden vanish.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
This is the end of it right now. To your
point about the getting ahead of some of the stuff
they have to they know that the badst that, you know,
this is really all within their own This is like
an intramural fight, right, this is within the dem They
already lost, Trump crushed them. Republicans are in charge. You know,
Trump and his team are all focused on the doing
stuff in governing the country and you know, making the
(10:12):
economy hum all these things, securing the border. Democrats are
in the shadows. They're in the way, in the backbench.
They're up in the bleachers trying to figure out, okay,
so who's calling the shots now, and what the heck
just happened. They're still in that phase. I know it's
May so it's been a few months, but I think
that they are in the you know, a military right,
you'd call it a hot wash after you go out
outside the wire. They're still figuring out what the heck
(10:34):
happened and That's why they need to present this stuff
in a way that their own side can psychologically get past.
What a total disaster the last twelve months where I
mean the last twelve months of the Democrat Party was
just an outright disaster, you know, not just losing the election.
It's how they lost the election, who they lost the
election to, what promises were made to them, I mean
(10:55):
to the Democrat voter. I think this is not going
to go away.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And a part of me thinks that Biden cares about
his legacy. Jill certainly cares about Biden's legacy. What they
should do is just have him vanish. Most presidents who
choose not to run again or who are in a
position where they were term limited out, which effectively Biden
(11:22):
was in some ways kind of vanish. I mean, when
do you ever see George W.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Bush. George W. Bush didn't even show up at the
White House.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I know he doesn't have a great relationship with Trump,
but they have unveiled a new Barbara Bush stamp Milania
did yesterday. Looks fabulous. By the way, George W. Bush
and Laura Bush wouldn't go to the White House. Clay,
I think this is the last.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
This is the last gasp of Bidenism on the public
stage period. I don't think this is about him trying
to get more money, but that's not happening. He has
nothing to like, he has nothing left to sell. He
sold his office and his soul. It's all over, right,
there's nothing left. So this is the last Still, it's
just for him trying to set the legacy in the
least damaging light possible of what, you know, what his
(12:07):
presidency was. And I know this is a little intense
and maybe sounds like a little mean spirited even, but
I just think it's true, and I think that the truth,
unfortunately in this case, is mean spirited. He had brain issues.
They lied about it. They put the country in peril.
They sold their dignity and their integrity to try to
defeat Donald Trump, and they lost. And now they're dealing
with the emotional and psychological devastation as a party that
(12:30):
they brought on themselves. They deserve this. Yeah, and don't
mistake this else either. They're still trying to argue they
would have won the race. I mean, he said it
directly on the view. This is the only way I
think the Biden team can justify anything. We told you
that eventually it's going to turn into a knife fight
(12:51):
over who's to blame. They're trying to say, basically, Kamala lost,
that Biden would have won, but that the party was
not allied behind him. They we told you this would
happen too.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
If he steps down and she wins, he's a hero.
If he steps down and she loses, well it's her fault,
of course. But also, Clay, think about what the alternative is.
The alternative would be that Donald Trump, who they said
needed to be locked up in a cell, and tried.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
To do so. Okay, they raided mar A Lago, they
brought four criminal indictments, They had Letitia James running nonsense
civil cases against him. They threw the kitchen sink at Trump,
and not only did he effectively defeat Biden with a debate,
he defeated their next in line. Yes, it was a
one two punch. Think about what that looks like. The
(13:38):
president and vice president are supposed to be the two
best shots you got to run the country, right, It
supposed to be really generally speaking, I mean you could
argue with the vice president thing Trump beat them both
in the same election. Cycle. So the only way to
have any sense of the Democrat Party is not a
total joke right now is to say, Okay, we made
a mistake about Biden. We should have kept him, and
(13:59):
otherwise it's Trump could have run the table and beaten
anybody we threw against it well, which I think that probably,
which is true. That's what's happening in twenty seven. We're
giving you a two year preview on their talking points.
When Trump can't run again, they're going to argue, Hey,
it's not about us being bad, it's that Trump is
not Hitler anymore. He's the greatest political candidate Republican Party
(14:21):
will ever have in any of our lifetimes. You think
I'm crazy. That's going to be the argument they start
making in twenty seven.
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Speaker 1 (15:30):
Kelly Lefler with us now. She's in the Trump cabinet
as the head of the Small Business Administration. Also David
Rutherborg going to be with us next hour. And then
Steve Hilton running for governor of California. I think you
did mention that because you mentioned his fabulous accent. She
also is fabulous. Kelly Leffler been all traveling all over
the country as part of Small Business Week, and Kelly,
(15:53):
I just want to kind of tee you up here
right off the top, how do you see based on
your travels and the data that you have access to,
small business is clearly the engine that drives, by and large,
the American economy is not huge businesses. Actually, it's all
the dynamics small businesses out there that are so incredibly important.
What are you seeing on your travels and how would
(16:13):
you assess the overall economic status of the country right now?
Speaker 9 (16:18):
Well, you're absolutely right. Small businesses are not only the backbone,
but there's the economic engine of this great nation. It's
ninety nine percent of all businesses across this country. So
it's incredibly humbling to be the cabinet level person advocating
within the Trump administration for small business. And there is
no stronger champion for small business and President Trump he
(16:38):
always says, Kelly, small business is big business, and I've
seen that as I traveled across the country. I was
everywhere from Boise, Idaho, to Phoenix, Arizona, to Nashville this week.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
But every week I'm out.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
With small businesses and there's tremendous optimism thanks to President
Trump's pro business, pro growth agenda to lower taxes, get
rid of regulation, and tape out of the way, and
obviously what we do is we provide capital, which is
a lifeblood of businesses.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Kelly, thanks for being here with us. There's some that
I know in the small business community who are all
supportive when it comes to the Trump tariffs, what he's
trying to accomplish, and they think it will benefit them
long term. But I have heard concerns about short term
supply shock that could hit in the next few months,
for example, because of particularly what's going on with China,
(17:29):
right That's where there's some issue. Are you seeing any
reason for concern when it comes to supply shock that
could affect a lot of businesses that rely on some
of those imports, And if so, what do you think
can be done to kind of mitigate that so we
can get to the other side where the trade deals
are in and things are booming.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yeah, it's an important question. Look, there's going to be
a period of adjustment and the President's been very clear
about that, and as we talk with small businesses, that
concern is far outweighed by the opportunities that they see.
Finally have fair trade. So when you hear the word tariff,
think fair trade and restoring what we used to have
in this country, which was a reliable supply chain that
(18:09):
obviously got hollowed out. We lost seventy thousand manufacturing plants,
five million jobs. So at the SBA, what we're trying
to do is create a connection between supply chains, manufacturers
to onshore. We're going to be providing those connections to
small businesses so that they can have alternatives to where
(18:30):
they're importing from China. If they've built their businesses around
Chinese Communist Party manufacturing, we have to make sure we
bring that back. But it's already being done in America,
everything from aerospace to Saks to microchips and beyond. Like
we're already doing this. The left wing media narrative is
(18:51):
that we can't and we should not do this, but
I'm telling you it's happening, and all it relies on is,
you know, continuing to push those tax cuts through, get
rid of regulation, and make sure we have a skilled
work for us, and we're going to be stronger than
ever before.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Kelly, when you look at this bill that is obviously
working its way through Congress, right now, the big so
called big beautiful bill that we expect to see come
through sometime around Memorial Day. How important do you believe
it is based on the conversations that you're having to
have some form of tax certainty given that the tax
cuts that Trump initially put into place in twenty seventeen
(19:29):
are set to expire, how important is it for businesses
to know what to expect in that arena.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
I think it's incredibly important, Clay, because I think this
economy is spring loaded for tax cuts, and you know,
I think it's something that's frustrating to me, as someone
who's spent decades in finance, is when the Fed only
looks at tariffs as an issue. We've got so much
counter inflationary good news coming into this economy.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
Not only is.
Speaker 9 (20:00):
Inflation falling, but taxes are going to go down. Regulation
is going to go down. If we give small businesses
the certainty that they will continue to have the twenty
percent deduction, bonus depreciation accelerated depreciation back to January twentieth.
I've talked to many manufacturers who are waiting to put
in the order for more C and C machines to
buy more land to grow and build because they're already
(20:22):
getting the orders thanks to President Trump's tariff strategy to
bring people to the table and bring manufacturing here. People
are saying we want to reshore. So it's ready to go.
We need Congress to act.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
What should go ahead?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, I was just going to say sorry, Building on
that question, I can't believe the number of countries out
there that are cutting interest rates like crazy, in particular
all over Europe. I don't know that we've ever seen
a divide like this. Is there any doubt in your
mind based on what you are seeing that the Fed
should be cutting interest rates?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
There's no doubt in my mind. We have four year
in slationary core inflationary lows. It's much lower when they
did double cuts last fall, right ahead of the election,
And when you have these counter inflationary trends of lower taxes,
less regulation, falling energy prices unbelievably low. We had a
(21:17):
five handle on the oil price the other day. The
tenure is already kind of self regulating itself down. So
I feel very confident that we should go into the
next rate cut looking at it, but who knows. I mean,
if this has become a political issue, anything could.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Happen if things go and we're speaking to Kelly Leffler,
who runs a small business administration for anyone joining us.
If things go as the Trump team is hoping, and
as we've started to see some indicators, for example, the
deal with the UK, we're hearing about an India deal,
We're hearing about other deals on the horizon. If these
trade deals go through, let's say in the next sixty
(21:56):
days or so, most of them. Right China is probably
going to be a longer issue. But what happens for
businesses for the rest of the year that is positive? Like,
how are the because right now, I think, as you've said,
Trump has made it clear there might be an adjustment
period and if you're relying on supply chain from China,
there could be some issues with that. But what is
the upside of making this fair trade for We have
(22:20):
a lot of small business owners listening right now, a
lot of people who work for small businesses right now,
How does this get better for them if the Trump
policy and well, if the Trump deals rather go through.
Speaker 9 (22:31):
Yeah, that's a great question. We just saw yesterday the
UK trade deal opened up our ag markets to the
tune of five billion dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's going to.
Speaker 9 (22:39):
Bring in about six billion in tariff revenue. But what
it's also going to do is remove some of the
non tariff barriers that were put into their regulatory apparatus
that blocked our ability to ship our products overseas. I
talked to one logistics company who said his business used
to be half import half export ten fifteen years ago.
(23:00):
Today it's ten percent export because of all the trade
barriers against our country that have made us more dependent
on bringing in goods. So small businesses that I'm seeing
on the ground, the manufacturers and particularly are gearing up
to invest and make things in America that we can
then ship overseas, keep for ourselves and not be reliant
(23:21):
on anyone for food, for pharmaceuticals, other critical areas of
our trade. So I think, look, small businesses are certainly
just critical in this conversation, and I am making sure
that they have a seat at the table because this
is the again, it's really the backbone of our country,
and we have to make sure that we're well aware
(23:43):
of everything going on in The President is on top
of it, and that's why he's pushing fair trade, lower taxes,
less regulation, low energy, prices. This all benefits small businesses.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Kelly, I hear you were touring the Tennessee Titans football stadium.
Hopefully at some point in time I'll actually start winning
games when that new stadium opens up. But there is
a lot of optimism. Obviously you've been in Tennessee. Nashville
is growing very rapidly. I know you live in Georgia,
which has also got a pretty good economy rolling What
do you think of the stadium and in general, what
(24:15):
do you think that's going to mean for downtown Nashville
where for people who are around here, I think we're going
to get a Super Bowl, which is going to be
pretty cool in a few years for the city of Nashville.
Speaker 9 (24:26):
I think it's a tremendous investment that is really powering
the economy. Even today, we saw a thousand workers on site,
driven by more than sixty five small businesses that are
helping build that stadium. And so in addition to the
entertainment value and the value it brings to small businesses
in terms of creating sustainable businesses around that stadium, it's
(24:50):
just going to create this venue that builds a really
strong community. And I was with your great Governor, Governor Lee,
and just looking at you, I think the state is
now the crane, the construction crane, given how many cranes
are in the air there. But it was exciting to
see and they're doing a fantastic job. There was a
great small business contractor that won the SBA one of
(25:13):
the contractor or the SBA awards, And you know, he
was just talking about the generational change that this economic
development is creating for all communities across Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
What does it look like, Kelly, if we get to
a reasonable best case outcome, specifically with the trade tariff
issue with China, like what we know with our other allies,
because you've already seen some of they go, Okay, we
need to reassess this, you need to even some things out.
That's fine. China is a different ballo axe and a
(25:45):
much bigger challenge, I think than obviously our allies offer
for clear reasons. What does it look like if Trump
gets that where he wants it to be.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
Yeah, that's an important question in those conversations are starting tomorrow.
It sounds like and what we need to make sure
is that America America's interests are protected in this in
ways that they have not been in the past, whether
it's intellectual property. What happened is we would send our
intellectual property overseaves, they'd manufacture it for us, and then
(26:17):
they'd put the trade barrier up, so they would have
stolen our intellectual property manufactured it there for their people,
and then we lose that market. So we're going to
have those protections. We're going to have larger markets if
we can have more cooperative reciprocal trade levels, and then
we won't have the non tariff trade barriers that they've
set up against us. They've put up kind of false
(26:37):
environmental barriers, health barriers and other things that they don't
hold themselves to, but they can erect that against our manufacturers.
And so I think restoring our strength by having manufacturing
here and pursuing our energy dominance agenda, we start mining
in America again, getting the rare earth minerals and making
(26:59):
sure that we TechEd our economic security and our national
security at the same time, because we have seen with
the Chips situation and others, rarers were way too dependent
on China in terms of national security. And I've seen
some great chips manufacturers, small businesses in America. This can
be done, but we have to really focus in on
(27:20):
that as much as we're focusing on what China is doing.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Kelly Leffler, Administrator of the US Small Business Administration, Kelly,
thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (27:32):
Thank you all. Great to be with you.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I'm optimistic, well, we've been optimistic the whole time actually
about the economy.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think we have this summer, and again I don't
want to go full Jim Kramer here because he tends
to be wrong on everything, but I think by the summer,
as more and more of these trade deals are rolling out,
I think we will be back near an all time
high in where stock prices are.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, some of our adversaries get a vote as well.
And officials from the Bricks Nations or meeting in Brazil
this July to discuss the US dollar. I mean, these
are big countries with big economies, China, Russia, India, South Africa.
One of the topics at that meeting is whether they
can displace the US dollar as the global currency. They're
calling this a rio reset for a reason. If that
(28:17):
were to happen, there's an if in that statement, but
you got to be prepared for it. Then global demand
for US dollars would dramatically decrease, and that would bring
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Speaker 1 (29:27):
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Speaker 2 (29:32):
We've got a.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Lot of different people in there that you are gonna love,
whether it's Tutor Dixon, whether it's Krol Markowitz and Mary
Catherine Ham. We're about to announce is it next week? Buck,
We have a new announcement that I think people are
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next week. In the meantime, one of the biggest badasses
on the planet, David Rutherford, bringing us the idea of
(29:55):
exactly what it's like to be a former Navy seal
and also a badass when it comes to analyzing so
many of the different aspects having to do with defense.
But before we get into all that, Buck and I
have been debating off air. I don't know we really
ever debated it on air, a question that has taken
the Internet by fire. It is Friday. You are a
(30:16):
Navy sealed training by background, one of the badasses on
the planet. If you and ninety nine of your Navy
Seal buddies got to fight a single gorilla, what would
your strategy be and what do you think the outcome
would be? Only your bare hands, only the gorilla's bare
hands as well, obviously, how do you attack? What is
(30:38):
your plan and what is the outcome?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Well, Clay, I was you know what, I didn't want
to come on and talk about into your Pakistan today.
I definitely didn't want to come and talk about the Pope.
I didn't want to talk about Scott Beston's awesome testimony
or cash on the Hill.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
What I wanted to talk about was.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
This plan on how to hammer these gorillas.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
All right, this is easy.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I've been thinking about this since it first came out.
You don't need one hundred team guys. You need seventeen
drunk team guys, right, and you need two to bring
some type of like hypnotization on them, right, lull them down,
and then you need two of your biggest meatheads to
attack the legs, attack the arms, and then the rest
(31:21):
of them. They just sit on top of them and
they do these calming petting techniques and tell he goes
limp and then they just choke him out.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's the technique, So you think you could hypnotize the
gorilla into submission.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
One hundred, Push said, howbn't you seen the famous video
of Robin Williams sitting with that silver back and like
petting them and putting them into that or or Jane
Goodall in the forest she goes over and she catch
his arm. I'm telling you the whole thing, like you're
gonna bum rush a silver back. That's nuts.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
And I'll tell you what, you gotta have.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Seventeen drunk team guys to even remotely consider the whole
hypnotization process.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well, this is what I've been saying to everybody Rut,
and that is if you allow this to be like
the Spartans at Thermopyla, where because of the hot gates
they were able to funnel in the Persians and take
them not one at a time, but you know, hundreds
at a time, so they couldn't be surrounded. And you
know that's why I think seventeen is the optimal number.
I totally agree with you, and I appreciate that this,
(32:25):
this plan, this this tactical plan, would come straight from you.
All right, now we can actually get into some other
things in the in the policy realm and you guys
should all check out the David Rutherford Show. How do
you think I mean, I know you were pro secretary
Hegseth going into this whole thing. How do you think
it's going over there so far? What do you make
from some of the Let me ask you this, what
(32:47):
are some of the specops guys that are dear friends
of yours, guys you serve with, how do they feel
about the trajectory of the Pentagon right now?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
Definitely shaky? You know, I think we all love that
piece out there. He's doing the dog and ponies, He's
he's doing workouts with the troops, Tim and Tulsey that
there's nothing better than morale boosting when your leader is
out there with you, you know, grinding. But you know,
the Pentagon is a lot different than mourning pt routines.
(33:19):
That building, as you know, Buck.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Uh is is uh. You know, it's it's.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Its own thing. And with a trillion dollar budget, uh,
you need to get in that building and you need
to go to every floor, every office, make your presence
known and figure out what those offices, what those branches need,
and and start helping them do their job. Overseas and
with foreign policy, because that's the thing. If you're not
(33:47):
in that building, then you're not. You might as well
your your position, your power is essentially muted.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Okay, you mentioned the situation with Indian and Pakistan, and
I know you going to be doing a deep dive
for it in the podcast for people out there, and
I'll put myself in this category that are not experts
in the long term geopolitical relationship between India and Pakistan
and the danger that that relationship can provoke and has
recently flared up. What should we know? What is the
(34:18):
important thing that you think the average American right now
should know about why this matters?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
All right?
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Three things are easy, real simple to understand. First and foremost,
this has been going on since nineteen forty eight when
Britain gave that region up. They split into based on
Hindu and Muslim back you know, backgrounds, so that ever
since they're the region of Kashmir has been contentious. They've
(34:44):
had three wars, multiple skirmishes. So this is a long
running thing.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
That's going on. So it's not adam den, no wear
out of new So that's the first thing.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
The other thing, the most important thing, by far is
you know, This is a very strategic place for the
United States because as we try and you know, reshore
a lot of our industrialization and pull it out of
China in particular antibiotics, you know, other different industrial capacities,
(35:14):
and we partner with India, that's really going to give
us a lot more leverage on the world stage economically.
So I think understanding those ties. You know, there is
a little bit of a tricky one with India being
tied to Russia and receiving all of its weapons or
a lot of it's you know, really substantial military support
from Russia. But you have the same thing with China
(35:35):
and Pakistan, so that makes it a little odd. But
the number one thing, hands down by far, is that
these are both nuclear countries. And I just for me
right now, after having suffered through the last four years
with Ukraine and the being on the precipice there, this
one's even more strenuous to me because there's a lot
(35:57):
of pretty radical people in these countries and they are
die hard. So those are the real top three things. Obviously,
on Monday, I'm going to dig into these in a
lot more depth.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You know, Dave, we're speaking of David Rutherford he is
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. He's launched
the Dave Rutherford Show David Rutherford Show, which is doing
fantastic numbers already, because you guys are understanding just what
a great program it is, and we appreciate that, you know, Dave.
Pam Bondi announced one of the largest fentanyl seizures in
(36:29):
history this week, clearly because of the change in the
way this administration approaches the border compared to what they
had with Joe Biden before. Right wide open border, bad
border with actual security procedures and law and order in place. Good.
But now it starts to raise I think the question
again about well, what about going more to the source,
(36:49):
not just stopping the end users from getting their hands
on this from dealers on the streets, the cartels who
pull those strings, but the cartel's on the Mexican side
of the border, somebody the special operations community. How do
you think it goes? If Trump follows through and what
was talked about early on here with using much more
aggressive tactics, including special operators when necessary to go after
(37:14):
top cartel guys across the border.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I personally think it could be substantial. The challenge as
you both know, is how integrated the cartels are in
the political system in Mexico. You know, I'm still waiting
to see a more strict stance by the President of Mexico.
She's not doing that, I know. You know, at first,
(37:39):
what I would love to see is US really integrate
into their intelligence apparatus, start sharing intel, you know, get
some assistance with US and our intelligence in particular the NSA,
to really kind of slow roll and take these guys
down a little bit more. But you know, in terms
of getting kinetic and putting you know, TAG or dan Nick,
(38:02):
you know, Delta or Seal Team six on the ground
or even GB ground branch, you know, I want to
reserve that for a little bit to see what the
reaction will be, because from what I'm hearing from a
lot of people, there's already you know, the turf war
has really begun because we've cut off their massive sources
of funding from human trafficking, We're debilitating their fentanyl distribution,
(38:27):
so that's going to cause a lot more problems. I
think we hold off on the kinetics, we really lean
in for intelligence support initially.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
All right, it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
You've covered a wide range from guerrillas fighting humans, to
to the India Pakistan to how to handle the cartels
in Mexico. You also wade in Buck and I were talking.
Was it last week or this week? I can't even
remember about the rock and Buck I believe played audio
from you as a Navy Sealed spoiler alert nineteen ninety
(38:59):
five film The Navy Seals found themselves in a tough
situation against the Marines.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
You said, that's never happening. They're never putting themselves in
that spot.
Speaker 6 (39:10):
I did, But I mean, obviously, those those gentlemen. Their
plan of getting into Alphatraz, which is supposedly one of
the most secure places ever.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
You know, that's a good plan. I you know. My
whole thing was it.
Speaker 6 (39:23):
Was having you know, master chiefs. Jenny Chalker was in
that movie. Uh with that with Joe Hawes and Decker
and Instructor Decker and I love these guys so much.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
They played a wait they were at with Dave. This
is important. I didn't realize this. There were actual seals
who were in the like former seals were in the movie.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Oh yeah, command, my, my. When I was at Buds, the.
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Command master Chief was Dennis Chalker, who was a plank
owner at Steal Team six when when when Dick Marcinko started,
he chose that he was one of the original guys.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Well, he was in the movie along with two.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
In strong doctors of my Joe Haas and an instructor Decker,
and these guys like it was really kind of the
first time other than Hubert Humphreys in a couple others,
he's the real guru of seal tactical consulting in the
movie business. But these guys, it was the first time
that they were. There was a ton of Team guys
(40:21):
in this movie. It was awesome to see them. We
loved it.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's very very cool. I love you. Did you know
this whole time? I had no idea, you know, I
mean they were actual seals playing seals in the Rock,
which is a movie we love.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Probably made it even tougher for them to get wiped
out by the Marines like they did. How did those guys,
How did those guys show themselves hanging out with the seals?
After that, bro, you went in as the seal and
got taken out by the Marines. I would think that, yeah,
you get to be in a Hollywood movie. Downside you
got murdered, taken out by guys you're supposed to be
able to kick their ass. This would be like New
(40:54):
York Buckett and choked out by Jake Tapper. I don't Yeah,
we'd get to be in a movie, but I don't
know that. I don't know that we could show ourselves
anymore on in media. Yeah we couldn't after that. Yeah,
I mean, look, take Tapper taps you out. You're in trouble.
Will appreciate you being a part of the podcast network.
You're killing it for people who haven't signed up. How
can they find you?
Speaker 6 (41:15):
You could just go to iHeartMedia app and just look
up to David running Ford Show. We're also on Spotify, Apple, iTunes,
podcast everywhere there's audio, and you can also find us
on YouTube, x, Instagram, tik tak the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Man, we're out there.
Speaker 6 (41:31):
Just look up the David Rutherford Show.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
RUT appreciate you. We got to get you out on
the rain soon because I got to get my skills
up to speed so that when Clay comes out there
as a first time or we're really going to get
some great footage.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Oh man, I cannot wait.
Speaker 6 (41:47):
We are going to run play ragging out there.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That's gonna be awesome. All right, Ron, thank you sir.
Great to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
All right.
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Speaker 2 (43:18):
We got our friend Steve Hilton on the line with
us now. He is of Fox News fame and he
is running for governor of our biggest state by population, California.
A lot of you are residents of that great state,
which is poorly governed but still a lovely place. Steve,
good to have you on the program.
Speaker 10 (43:38):
Oh, it's fantastic to be with you.
Speaker 11 (43:40):
And I've got a new claim to fame, okay, which
is that Gavin Newsom just launched what he calls a
fact checking website to fight back against misinformation and the
MAGA trolls.
Speaker 10 (43:52):
And guess who is his first target?
Speaker 9 (43:54):
Me?
Speaker 11 (43:55):
So I think I'm doing something right if he's focusing
on me, and guess what he Folks on a point
that I made about people leaving California said that is false.
Our population is growing, and so Clay if I can
just use a very simple basic sports analogy, own goal,
Gavin Newsom. Yes, our population is growing in California, but
(44:16):
only because of illegal immigration. Actual people are leaving in
droves because of the mismanagement, the taxes, the regulation, the
insanity of Gavin Newsom and this fifteen years of one
party rule by the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
All right, Steve, I want you to introduce I know
you've been on the show before. You had a great
book that came out recently, but I want to give
you an opportunity because there's tons of people listening right
now in California. Also, as you just mentioned, a lot
of people who used to live in California that are
listening to us right now. You love the state of California.
You grew up a huge fan of a beautiful state.
(44:51):
What is your background and how have you come to
end up running for governor of California?
Speaker 10 (45:00):
Book? Can hear? I still have the British accident. I
was born and raised in the UK.
Speaker 11 (45:05):
My parents Hungarian, actually they were produced from communism in Hungary.
Most of my families back in Hungy and then in
twenty twelve we moved here to California with my wife
and my two sons. So I've raised my family here.
I taught at Stamford University, I started a business here.
All of that before joining Fox News, and in fact,
(45:26):
just before moving here to California, I worked in the
government in the UK, our senior advisor to Prime Minister
David Cameron, where I was really leading our domestic policy reform.
So I've worked in government, I've worked in the private sector.
Speaker 10 (45:42):
I've had this show on Fox News.
Speaker 11 (45:43):
I've just written a book about how California is the
worst run state in America. But the good news is
all of that is man made. This is not a
natural disaster. These are all decisions and policies implemented by Democrats.
We can turn it all around as long as we
vote for people who are going to bring change. And
that's why I'm running for governor. It's very obvious what
(46:03):
needs to be done here. It's just as the President says,
it's just common sense. It's not complicated. But we just
need to vote for change. Too many people, I think,
have given up on California. They assume it's going to
be like this forever. That is not the case. I've
been on the road now nearly three weeks. Everywhere I
go you get this huge energy, people just sick and
tired of the nonsense and really optimistic that now we've
(46:25):
got a candidate with the energy and the ideas to
make a difference, and that's going to be me.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Steve, it would be you know, obviously there was another
very successful and well known immigrant to this country, legal
immigrant to this country who became the governor, so we
all remember, and he was I believe a Republican at
the time. So it is possible were a ways out
from where you would get the opportunity to dethrone nousimism,
(46:53):
which even though the Democrats would kick and scream about
it would be for their own good. But how do
you run that gauntlet? I mean, what can you do
in a state like California where what is it about
sixty forty Democrat or Republican by registration maybe a little more. Yeah,
how can you actually thread this needle and win? It
has been done in the not too distant past. What
(47:15):
would you have to do to make this a serious race?
And you know, not like there are some people that
run for governor there as a vanity campaign. What are
you going to do?
Speaker 10 (47:24):
One percent totally agree with that.
Speaker 11 (47:26):
And look, here's the starting point is that there are
some ingredients that are grounds for optimism. So in the
last election in November twenty twenty four, ten counties in
California flip from blue to red, and you know, including
some significant ones like Fresno County. I'll be there later today.
I'm in the Central Valley today with our great egg industry,
which I've been a huge supporter of. Fresno County. Fresno's
(47:48):
the fifth biggest city in California flip from blue to
read along with nine other counties. Huntington Beach, the biggest
city in Orange County. That's where I launched my campaign
a couple of weeks ago, because it's so symbolic.
Speaker 10 (47:59):
Just four years ago.
Speaker 11 (48:00):
For a little bit little over four years ago, the
city council there was six to one Democrat. Now it's
seven zero Republican massive turnaround there and was just rated
the best run city in California. You look at the
number of votes that President Trump got in California. That's
more than enough to win in twenty twenty six, which
is a midterm year where you tend to have lower
(48:23):
voting turnout. So if all the Trump voters turn out
in twenty twenty six, I will win. Now, of course
that's a big if, but it's something you can work
on to persuade people that it's worth going out to vote.
And then the final ingredient, and this is really where
my focus is going to be, is just as you've
seen across the country in the Trump years, this massive
political realignment with Latinos and working class voters shifting from
(48:48):
Democrat to Republican.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
That's our opportunity in California.
Speaker 11 (48:52):
Latinos are the largest group in California forty percent of
the population, and the working class vote, which the Democrats
have taken for granted, is right there for the taking now.
I was in East LA on Monday, sitting down with
working class Latino families, parents, and business owners.
Speaker 10 (49:07):
They are sick of all the nonsense.
Speaker 11 (49:09):
They're the people hammered the most by these policies, the
tax increases, the regulations, the climate extremism. That tells you
what kind of truck to drive and how.
Speaker 10 (49:18):
To cook your food. They've had it with all of
that stuff, the nonsense in the schools.
Speaker 11 (49:22):
So I think that's our opportunity, and I'm going to
really go for it with that kind of populist message.
I think that's the real heart of this. The theme
of my show was positive populism. I wrote a book
a few years ago called Positive Populism. I think that's
how we can pull this off in California.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
What's the latest on the wildfires in the La Area,
Pacific Palacades, Alta Dina, If I remember correctly the neighborhoods
that were most devastated, and how do you think that
might have shaken people out of some of the entrenched
politics that they might have embraced for a generation.
Speaker 11 (49:58):
It's incredibly important because it is just an absolute symbol
of everything that's wrong with California, because it's this combination
of ideological extremism and governing incompetence. Those two things together,
the ideology is what led to the fact that these
fires were so much worse than they need have been
because of the environmental extremism that said, you can't clear brush,
(50:22):
you can't manage your land properly. People are fined for
trying to clear brush from their own property, all driven
by their climate extremism. And then you see the incompetence,
of course, the empty reservoir, the fire hydrants with no water,
the fire department that was not deployed properly, on and
on right, and the reason that's so important. And now
(50:42):
you see the incompetence totally exceeding even what we saw before.
Karen Bass saying to President Trump to his face, yes,
we're going to get on with it, an issue permits
for rebuilding and do it in record time. Still, I
mean a few weeks ago is four permits had been issued.
Now I think it's up to the massive number of thirty.
It is an absolute joke. It and exposes how ridiculous
(51:04):
these people are. So Karen Bass, a few weeks ago
she did a press conference where she announced where the
post that she put out said, I have just signed
an executive order streamlining permitting for rebuilding Los Angeles. If
you actually look at what she said, it says she said,
I've just signed an executive order tasking agency heads with
(51:24):
developing paths forward to streamlining permits.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
In other words, it's bs because all you've.
Speaker 11 (51:31):
Got from these California politicians is these idiots who have
no clue how to run anything. All they do is
manage their way around the political machine that's being exposed.
And the reason it matters so much that it's in LA,
it's because Los Angeles is the biggest county in California.
Twenty three percent of the vote is LA County. So
the fact that that's the place that's been so directly
(51:53):
exposed to the disaster of Democrat rule is incredibly important
and another great ingredient for how we can win here.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
Speaking of Steve Hilton, he has announced his candidacy for
governor of California. I was wondering, Steve, because you would
have an ear to the ground, so to speak, on
how things are going with the opposition there, with the
Democrats that you're going to try to unseat. The future
of Kamala Harris in California politics. People talk about her
still as possible governor, they talk about her still as
(52:22):
possible presidential candidate. How do you see Kamala's future?
Speaker 11 (52:29):
Well, what just in terms of what I'm hearing to
take the first part of your question, what we're hearing
from those close to her and reporters who follow her
movements is that she's been told in no uncertain terms
that there's really no support for her from the donors
from the Democrat machine for another presidential run.
Speaker 10 (52:49):
That the support isn't there for that.
Speaker 11 (52:51):
So if she wants to do anything, it's going to
be governor of California. I would welcome that, because when
people ask me, well, how are you going to win
as a Republican in California, Here's what I say.
Speaker 10 (53:01):
The truth is, we've got majorities in.
Speaker 11 (53:03):
California now who say, for a long time have been
saying it's time for change.
Speaker 10 (53:07):
States going in the wrong direction, all of that.
Speaker 11 (53:09):
So the candidate who's going to win in twenty twenty six,
regardless of party label, is the change candidate. Kamala Harris
is literally the most implausible change.
Speaker 10 (53:20):
Candidate you could ever imagine.
Speaker 11 (53:22):
She's been around in California politics for decades and she's
done nothing of any note where is a single accomplishment
in all her years da of San Francisco, Attorney General
of California, Senator for California, vice vice president, and a
disastrous presidential candidate. Not once in any of those years,
(53:43):
but she actually delivered anything of value to anybody in
the real world. And so I don't think there's anything
better that would help our chances more than for Kamala
Harris to be the candidate. Plus you'd get I think,
a lot of support right across the country from people
who would love the chance to beat her again.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I love your pitch, and I think that you not
being from California actually makes the pitch really resonate.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Buck and I have talked about this.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
I didn't get to go visit the state of California
until I think I was twenty one. I had a
college roommate from there, went out and visited. Buck grew
up in New York City. California was a shimmering city
on a hill, dreamy for a lot of people who
live in many parts of the United States. And I
bet also for kids like you growing up in England,
growing up in Europe, that it was a place that
(54:31):
people aspired to go. You can help to tell that
story and bring it back. But when you travel the state,
do you get that sense that there still is that
desire to make California really epitomize and personify the American dream?
Speaker 11 (54:46):
Oh, Clay, you're so right about that. In fact, there's
a very specific example of what you about. Back in
the day before when I was working for David Cameron,
he was the leader of the Conservative Party. I was
his as chief policy advisor. Before we actually before he
became Prime Minister. The Spectator magazine print magazine in the
UK ran a cover story about the plans that we
were developing, and the headline of the piece was California Dreaming,
(55:13):
and the theme of the article was Steve Hilton, David
Cameron's policy guru. The plans they're developing are all about
making the UK more like California.
Speaker 10 (55:23):
He's inspired by California. He thinks it's the best place
in the world.
Speaker 11 (55:27):
Okay, this was twenty years ago, So I mean, is
there a single political advisor anywhere in the world who
would want to make their country more like California today?
Of course, not that shows how far badly off track
we've gotten, But the point is there. Exactly as you
said to me, California represents the ultimate expression of America.
There's a phrase that I used the whole time, California
(55:47):
means to America, what America means to the world. So
to me, California represents everything I love about this country.
Ambition and energy and optimism and dynamism and startup hustle,
So the rebel spirit, the people who made it here
to the West Coast and went through the Sierra Nevada
and struggled through all those barriers to get here and
(56:09):
build this amazing place that we have, as far as
I'm concerned, the greatest place in the world, California. That's
an amazing energy that we have, and it's been crushed
by this ridiculous, bossy, bureaucratic, nanny state, bloated government. If
we lift that off, there's nothing that we can't do
in California.
Speaker 10 (56:26):
And I love that.
Speaker 11 (56:27):
I'm in love with California in a very very serious way,
and that's why I'm really determined to do this. If
we can turn things around in California, it's not just
going to be great for all of us here, it's
going to be great for the whole country too.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Steve Hilton, where's your website for the campaign? Anybody who
live We have a lot of California listeners. Such a big state,
so many great Republicans behind enemy lines there, where do
they go?
Speaker 11 (56:49):
So Steve Hilton for Governor dot com. Fr Steve Hilton
for Governor dot com. We would love your support. We're
up against a very big and well funded Democrat machine,
the government unions of but I'd love people's time and
energy as well. We've got to really build a grassroots movement,
so you can get involved with us at the website.
Steve Hiltonfogovernor dot com.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
We'll be talking to you more, Steve. Good luck to you,
thanks for being here.
Speaker 10 (57:12):
Fantastic great to see you. Thank you.
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