Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 14 2025

Shifty Jake Tapper

Clay and Buck open the hour by highlighting the growing scrutiny from mainstream journalists and Democratic leaders, including Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, who are now facing tough questions about Biden’s mental and physical fitness. The hosts emphasize how media figures like CNN’s Jake Tapper are attempting to reframe their past coverage, with Tapper admitting he “didn’t do enough” to report on Biden’s condition—an admission Clay and Buck criticize as opportunistic and lacking accountability.

The conversation intensifies as they dissect the broader implications of Biden’s perceived incapacity, questioning who was truly making executive decisions during his presidency. They speculate whether figures like Jill Biden, Hunter Biden, or senior White House advisors were effectively running the country. This leads to a broader critique of the Democratic Party’s internal dynamics, suggesting a coordinated effort to maintain power despite Biden’s limitations.

Trump in the Middle East

Celebrating a “world tour of winning” for Trump, highlighting his efforts to secure up to $1 trillion in Middle Eastern investment into the U.S. economy. They emphasize the positive impact on inflation, the stock market, and consumer prices—especially the sharp drop in egg prices, the largest since 1984.

The conversation shifts to Trump’s foreign policy wins, including potential breakthroughs in U.S.-China trade relations, normalization of ties with Syria, and mediation efforts between India and Pakistan. Clay and Buck also discuss reports of a possible face-to-face meeting between Ukrainian President Zelensky and Russian President Putin in Istanbul, contingent on Trump’s attendance. They argue that Trump’s diplomacy is reshaping global alliances, particularly by isolating Iran and strengthening U.S. ties with Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and Israel.

The hosts contrast Trump’s foreign policy successes with what they describe as the failures of the Biden administration, particularly in Afghanistan and Ukraine. They criticize Secretary of State Antony Blinken and question the lack of any clear foreign policy victories under Biden.

Paul Mauro on P Diddy

Paul Mauro, a former NYPD inspector and legal analyst, offers expert insight into the prosecution’s strategy. Mauro explains the significance of the RICO charges, the potential involvement of flipped witnesses from Diddy’s inner circle, and the implications of a sex trafficking charge involving a minor. He also discusses the jury composition—eight men and four women—and how that dynamic could influence the trial’s outcome.

Clay raises critical questions about the prosecution’s decision to lead with Cassie’s testimony, suggesting it may be the weakest part of the case due to the consensual nature of their decade-long relationship. Mauro agrees that the prosecution must overcome the perception that Cassie’s involvement was transactional rather than coerced. They also explore the broader cultural implications, comparing Diddy’s fall from grace to other disgraced celebrities like Harvey Weinstein and R. Kelly, and questioning how such behavior was tolerated for so long by the entertainment elite.

Hud Secretary Scott Turner

Clay and Buck welcome HUD Secretary Scott Turner, who discusses the Trump administration’s housing priorities, including rolling back Biden-era regulations, restoring local control over zoning, and addressing homelessness and disaster recovery. Turner also outlines HUD’s new policy on gender-specific shelters, affirming that only biological women can access women’s shelters funded by HUD. He praises Trump’s stance on protecting women’s spaces and sports, drawing from his own experience as a former NFL player

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with all of us. We
have got a loaded program for you. We'll head into
the Trump Cabinet at one thirty with Scott Turner, who
is a House in Urban Development Cabinet member, and then
at two thirty we're going to talk about the really

(00:22):
it's kind of interesting ongoing trial I'm not even sure
what his official name is now, Diddy of Sean Puffy
Combs that is currently taking place in New York City.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is not on television.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
If it were, I think it would be must see
television because some of the revelations coming out are damaging personally,
certainly to Sean Diddy Combs. But is he going to
be sentenced to the rest of his life in prison?
We'll get into that with Paul Murrow who has been

(00:59):
watching that trial.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But Buck, here's the reality. The media is.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Ashamed, and they are so ashamed that they are actually
and embarrassed that they are actually turning into something you
never would have thought you would see. That is Democrat attackers.
They're actually asking questions of the Democrats out there. And
I think this drumbeat is going to continue for some

(01:29):
time as the Biden revelations continue to come out. Yesterday
we told you that there was a discussion about having
to put Biden in a wheelchair and that Biden didn't
recognize George Clooney. Chuck Schumer got asked about this. Now,
remember there was a big New York Times piece that
Chuck Schumer was one of the people who finally forced

(01:52):
Joe Biden to step down. He went to his house
at Rehoboth Beach, had a face to face meeting with him.
There's some discussion that there's might have been an ultimatum
given then, where Schumer said, Hey, if you don't step down,
I'm going to go public and say that I think
you should step down. You don't have any support inside
of the Senate Democratic Caucus by and large, well, he

(02:13):
was asked, Chuck Schumer was, hey, do you feel some
responsibility for lying about Joe Biden's mental and physical condition?
And this is what it sounded like. This has gone megaviral.
Chuck Schumer not having a good few weeks in the
public eye. Listen to cut two.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
President in that same month, George, we're just looking forward.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
We're just looking forward as the talking point. Here's another one.
This is CNN. Suddenly the journalists have been embarrassed. They
were in on the cover up, but they are pretending
that they were not, and they are holding Democrats feet
to the fire. Here is Cassie Hunt grilling Chuck Schumer
on Biden's mental state. I think this is from a.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
While back, next to Biden in the Oval office, February
twenty seventh, at twenty twenty four, just a handful of
months before the president took that debate stage. I'm interested
to know whether the man that you saw us sitting
there on that couch on that day you were in there,
you saw him up close and personal, did you really
not have any idea that he was not fit to

(03:29):
serve a second term?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Casey, we're looking forward.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
We have the largest medicaid caught in front of us,
we have the coll federal government.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
All of this because you lost a presidential election. And
is that not Joe Biden's responsibility for deciding to run again.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
We're looking forward.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's it, that's it, and then Buck that this is
I don't think this is going to play very well.
Hakeem Jefferies, who is the minority leader in the House,
who would be the House Speaker if Democrats were able
to take back control of the Chamber in the mid term.
Also asked the same questions here he is cut for.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
There's a number of different revelations coming out about President
Joe Biden's decline, recent books. Is it helpful for your
caucus for these to come out now? And would you
want Biden to campaign for House Democrats?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And not looking backward? We're looking forward at this particular
moment in.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Time, all right, We're looking forward, buck Is, We're looking forward,
going to Suffice. And here's why I do think it's significant.
We're in the middle of the big beautiful bill being
worked through right now, Congress. Almost no one is talking
about that. Almost everyone is talking about the timing here
of this book revelation and Biden.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
And Trump's big trip to the Middle East still underway,
huge deals being negotiated, financial deals for this country's economy,
peace deals. He met with the new head of Syria
formerly in al Qaeda, and had a ten million dollar
bounty on his head, But now him and Trump are
hanging out chatting.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Crazy a world we live.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Why to come back? Quite a comeback? Not quite a
Trump level comeback. But I mean that's a pretty big comeback.
So we shall see what comes out of all of that.
But yes, Clay, in the meantime, here's what I see
happening the Democrats. I don't think there's a strategy with this, really.
I think that they know that they have to go
through some internal purge and there's going to be a

(05:23):
lot of finger pointing. Generally, this can go one of
two ways, because nobody wants to be accountable and nobody
wants to be held responsible for this enormous lie.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
And I want us to be very clear.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
We know Clay knows, I know you know it was
an OP as in, an information operation, as in they
all knew that Biden couldn't do this. They just figured
maybe we can keep the charade going long enough to
just squeak out one more win. And no one thought
Biden was Nobody thought Biden was going to do all

(05:54):
four years. That I can assure you, like, there's not
a single person I don't even think Biden believed that.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
But I hate to say this, Buck, and I said
it before on the air. I'm not sure Biden's going
to be alive by the time We hate to say it,
but I'm not sure he's going to be alive by
the time we get to twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Thank you, Captain Bummer.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
But yeah, I just, I mean his deterioration not only
has been unable, I just I don't think he's going
to be alive at the.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Next I don't want to hand a talking point to
the other side, but it is true in any of
you who have dealt with older relatives, or perhaps you've
seen this, if you've been fortunate enough to you know,
live into your golden years yourself. Aging is not linear.
Once you get past you know, six sixty seventy meeting,
you can have a few years where everything seems like
it's pretty much I think stable, and then you can

(06:39):
decline pretty rapidly because of health issues.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Right.

Speaker 5 (06:42):
So that's one of the arguments that they're trotting out already.
I would note that they're saying, oh, but it happened
so quickly, like he was great and then just in
the election year. That's a lie. That's not true. We
all knew for all four years. But Clay, generally, the
move here is you either scapegoat or you do the
We are all to blame, right, the collective, which means

(07:03):
when when there's collective blame, nobody is to blame. I
know this from the CIA, like when it's the institution
or the machine or whatever. That's just a way of
you know, remember that guy who came forward after nine
to eleven. I can't remember, uh was it named Richard
Clark who had been the National Security Advisor, And all
the Democrats were like, look at him taking blame for this,
Like the guy was on.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
A book tour when he's like, we failed you.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
It's like no one actually thought that he failed them,
but it was a big pound his chess moment. Right,
we failed you means nothing. So there may be that
move for the Democrats that I think is the likeliest,
and you'll see that even from some of the journals
who are going around now making these arguments because.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
What they wanted to do was the scapegoat.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
The problem is Biden as the scapegoat doesn't make sense because,
as you and I have discussed, they should have known
and pushed him out earlier. They were in on this.
What they want people to believe is that Biden had
everybody fooled and that they didn't know until the last minute,
and in good faith they were just supporting their nominee.
The reality is they were in on the heist. Their

(08:07):
fingerprints are all over it too, and so that's why
the scapegoat maneuver, which would have been easy, which is
Biden's the problem, isn't really working because if Biden was
the problem, we all knew he had these problems.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Why did you go along with it until the debate.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
By the way, let's grab this audio if you would.
Boys and girls, I went on with Sean Hannity last night.
I'm not sure your boy Tapper is going to come
on the show after what I said about him on
Fox News last night, and I tagged him, I don't
want to run and hide. But we played Shawn did
the clip of him going after Laura Trump when she

(08:44):
said quite succinctly that Biden didn't have the mental or
physical capacity to be president, and Tapper said, oh, this
is disgraceful. You're going after him because he has a stutter.
We played that clip yesterday on the program, and I
do think there is now a major discussion. It's not
only that the media was complicit, it's in the media's

(09:05):
profiting on both sides, right. I mean, you say, hey,
Biden's still the guy, and you make money off your advertisers.
As soon as Biden's not the guy, you show up
with a knife and gut him when he's already Basically.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
This is what I said, and like the OJ, this
is like the OJ book. If I did it, here's
how I did it. And it was so appalling that everybody, finally,
I think, was totally done with any belief in OJ's
innocence if you were dumb enough to think he was
innocent enough at that point, which very few people were.
But I think it was just the grotesque nature of oh,
now you're going to make money off of millions of

(09:39):
dominating probably off of your your grotesque inadequacy in covering him.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Now you say, hey, there to blame, and now you
make money on that side too.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Well, I think you've stumbled onto something that is critical,
and I want everybody because Tapper is a very shifty fellow.
I have known through his work and we have had
exchange and they have not been friendly. Uh for the
most part, he's very shifty, and I'm hearing now he's like, oh, well,
maybe I could have done more or something. They're going

(10:10):
to try to massage this, and he's going to be
the poster, the poster boy, so to speak. He's going
to be the Oh, I'm leading back into a new
era of objective and neutral journalism. Right, this is the
brand play. You take a slap on the wrist and
then you come back. No, no, no, no accountability on this.
Accountability would mean you don't actually ever believe these people again,

(10:34):
because when it really mattered, they lied to you, and
they knew they were lying to you. Right, if somebody Clay,
if somebody you know, cheats in the stock industry, right,
if somebody is engaged and you get a you get
an industry banned. You look at this issue and the
people who were part of the Biden uh you know,
the Biden cover up essentially of his dementia, they're all
planning to stay in this business forever and as you

(10:55):
point out, even to get rich on it. That's that's
not accountability at all. And I also know this you're
hearing about the White House. Oh, the White House covered
this up.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, you treted this.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
And it's a really good argument. Who yep, who I
don't want White House aids. This is again, the thing
about collective guilt.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
I don't want people were saying in the White House
that he was sharp as attack behind closed doors.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Name the names.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
If you won't do that, it's clear it's because you
were in on it and you don't want your co conspirators.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
To out you. Name the names.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
And also the secondary part of this, which I think
becomes incredibly important, is who was the actual president? You know,
if you actually want to do a deep dive on
the lies that were told surrounding Biden, then we also
need to be asking the question, Okay, if we believe
and I think you and I and we've asked this
question quite a lot on the program, but I would

(11:51):
encourage the larger media ecosystem that has suddenly realized what
we've been saying for years. Biden didn't have the mental
or physical capacity. We asked this question, who's the actual president?
Who was making most of the major decisions in twenty
twenty three and twenty twenty four. Was it Jill Biden?
Was it Freaking Hunter Biden? Was it chief of staff advisors?

(12:13):
Who was the person basically deciding what American policy was?
And if you think that that's not an important question,
I would submit to you, and maybe the most important question,
because whatever you think about Trump right now, look at
how rapidly he's moving. We need to talk about what
he's doing in the Middle East. It has the potential

(12:34):
to be revolutionary in a positive way in terms of
bringing more peace and prosperity to that region, in a
way that I don't know that. We've seen an American
president who is trying to balance relationships in a positive
way with Israel but also with good faith actors in
the Middle East, and there are some trying to marshal

(12:56):
those actors on both sides of the Israeli and Arab
conflict and find a way to have a more lasting
piece in that region. Maybe it is improbable. I'm not
sure that it's impossible, and Trump is really, I think,
doing a hell of a job right now as he
travels around in the Middle East. Could Biden have done

(13:16):
any of this?

Speaker 7 (13:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Could Kamala have done any of this?

Speaker 7 (13:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I don't think so. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Look, I think that this is now where we have
to see what the opposition is going to form into.
This is where we see what their plan is. But
I can assure you they're they're running a playbook here.
They have not all of a sudden become Look at
what they did, you know, out of one side of
their mouth, that's, oh, maybe we missed this Biden thing.

(13:44):
And then you see the DNC. Have they voted David
hog out already? Has that already occurred or is that
in process?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Because here's a white male and it didn't comply with
diversity requirements.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Really, it's because he said the Democrat Party doesn't allow
guys to like go have fun, drink beers and like
chase women or something like that. Now I remember we
said it. I said, oh, he sounds almost normal. They're like,
get out of here, you get out of here. Yeah,
it's true, totally true. So they're not normal, everybody. The
Democrats have not become normal. They're still insane, and their
media propagandists have not all of a sudden, you know,

(14:19):
they have not found the light. Okay, so we are
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Speaker 5 (15:34):
Trump is not tired of winning. He is on a
world tour, well a mid East tour, but a world
tour of winning, if you will. And he's talking about
a lot of things that are going to be I think,
big wins for the country, which is the most important
thing of all. So we got about six hundred billion
dollars of Saudi investment I think that he says has

(15:57):
been now committed to the US. He's trying to pick
a trillion dollars of direct investment from foreign countries in
the Midiest into the United States stock market. Oh man,
it's looking so good all of a sudden, everyone therefore one.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Case I remember a few weeks. So these are people's retirements.
You're destroying, right, I mean the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
And eggs to buck like inflation, all of the things
that they have tried to turn into like sort of
things to weigh down the Trump presidency with they've all collapsed.
Eggs are coming back down. I saw this morning. I
was reading this is the biggest drop in egg prices
in a month since nineteen eighty four. The stock market

(16:38):
is now positive for the year, which is, hey, what
are you going to argue there, we got to your
point Middle East, Like everything they try to hit him
with it just blows back up in their face.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Yeah, I mean, and they're they're talking so much about
this the jet gift thing.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
I'm just gonna tell you, it's just hard for me
to pretend to care enough about these things when they
what about the emoluments clause? Okay, well, I remember when
the Washington Post was writing stories about how the emoluments
clause was in violation. Do you remember this clay at
the Trump hotel? Because they did an analysis and there

(17:20):
were foreign you know, basically embassy staff, ambassadors whatever, who
were eating and drinking at the Trump hotel, and they
were saying, this is a violation because if if the
attache from Madagascar has a bacon cheeseburger, maybe he can
get Trump to change foreign policy.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like it was crazy stuff that they were pushing.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Now, Yeah, a three hundred million dollar jet is much
a much bigger gift than the the profit margin on
a cheeseburger when you own a hotel and they have
to pay the staff and everything. My point merely being,
it's just hard at this point. How much whuch am
I going to sit around and oh my gosh, you
see Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
The hysteria stuff. I can't, I just I can't do
it right.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
I can't get myself to care about these things that
they're trying to tell us to care so much about.
But we should look at some of the other wins
that Trump has racked up. You see, a federal judge
is ruled in favor of the alien ENnies ailiing an
Enemies Act deportation. The Milwaukee County judge Hannah Dugan, remember her,

(18:29):
the I'm going to hide the illegal in my courtroom
because federal law doesn't apply to me, as some you
know rinky dink judge up in up in Wisconsin. She
is she has been indicted by a grand jury for
basically aiding and abetting a you know, a person who's
on the run in her courtroom. I think that's a win.

(18:52):
So you've got all this. You got inflation lower than expected.
I think we mentioned that yesterday, but it came in.
It was like two point four percent or something inflation.
Just imagine what this economy starts to look like as
you get more trade deals play and a few basis
points get dropped from this or you know, they start
dropping rates.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Just put it simply, I.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Think these are all the kinds of wins that Trump
is going to be able to rack up. And then
there's also the drug probably. Look, Trump was on with
our friend Sean Hannity last night. Sean's traveling with him
through the Middle East. I thought this is really interesting.
He's talking about opening up China US businesses. This is
cut thirteen.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Play it.

Speaker 9 (19:36):
One of the things I think they could be most
exciting for us and also for China is that we're
trying to open up China because as you know, many
years ago we opened up the USA. Now it's time
for China to open up, and that's part of our deal,
and we're going to open up China.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
To me, that's the.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
Most exciting part. But yeah, we made a deal. The
relationship is very good. I've always had a good relationship
with President. He was interrupted because of COVID, obviously, but
outside of that, I've always had a great relationship, a
lot of respect for him, and we'll see how that
all works out. But we have the confines of a

(20:13):
very very strong deal with China.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Clay, as we get more details about this, very we
don't really have any details right now, but they're going
to have to provide something. We're going to hear more
about this. I think that Look, I don't want to
get ahead of things, but it just feels like the
Trump team is simultaneously firing on all cylinders and also
keeping things pretty much on schedule. You know, they're they're

(20:36):
moving at the pace that they said they'd be moving
and getting things done the way they said they would
from the start.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Let's just think about this.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Because you worked in the CIA, You've spent a lot
of time overseas. One of the big criticisms of Trump
for much of his political career is that he isn't
able to handle foreign affairs. That's probably one of the
we're going to get into World War three he has
there's no idea what he's doing. Let's just think buck
in the last week what he has helped to accomplish.

(21:07):
First of all, Marco Rubio's doing an amazing job. He
has forty eight different jobs inside of the government right now.
But it didn't get very much attention. You mentioned it
on the show quite a lot last week. But I
do think it's significant that India and Pakistan not really
great historic friends. They were in danger of having a

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conflict spiral out of control. Trump engaged in some form
of mediation to help settle that situation down in potentially tomorrow,
in Istanbul, we may have the first face to face
meeting between Zelenski and Putin since Putin invaded Ukraine in
what February or March of twenty twenty two, whenever that

(21:49):
initial invasion started, if I remember correctly, and they are
only meeting there according to reports, if Trump will show up,
so they're begging Trump to go go to Istanbul. We
also have Trump normalizing relations with Syria, which is being
seen even by Trump critics as a potential stroke of

(22:12):
genius that could massively aid stabilization in the Middle East
by cutting off the long term relationship of Iran, which
was basically using Syria as a proxy terror state and
helping along with Russia to prop up Asad, the dictator
who has now been removed. Okay, I'm just kind of
giving people a little bit of a rundown.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Here.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
You get the final American terrorist who's been held for
something like five hundred and eighty days Edon Alexander hostage, sorry,
held by terrorist Eton Alexander, the final American innocent back,
and you also potentially get the trade deal done with China.
Any one of those that I just ran through would

(22:56):
be typically huge, monumental one week or more stories. Trump
has done them all, not to mention getting trillions of
dollars potentially in aid and commitment from Middle Eastern countries
like the UAE, like Qatar, like Saudi Arabia to invest
in American business.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
That seems like a pretty good few days.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
And I do think as well, you can already lay
out more initiatives, conversations, ideas that have some of that
has already. I mean, I view that the border is
actually a international relations issue, right. We think of it
very much as it's so much tied in. It's the economy,
it's domestic and national security, it's all these different things.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
But especially when.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
You have a border Clay that had almost two hundred
nations people arriving at illegally. I think the final number
from border patrol I saw was like one eighty something, right,
I mean, there's not that many countries in the world,
so you got illegals from all over the world, and
now they're trying to figure out how to get them back,
and that requires foreign relations, and that requires using pressure,
carrots and sticks, and that has already been a massive success.

(24:04):
That alone is more than I can attest to for
four years of the Biden administration sending the absolutely hapless
and professionally worthless. Maybe he's a nice man, professionally worthless
Anthony Blincoln as Secretary of State to do what I mean,

(24:25):
if we sit here and we talk so much about
Biden's dementia, it's worth remembering everyone, this team was president
for four years. What is the one win that you
can point to on foreign policy? And I know, Sean
some of are already shouting, look at the disastrous withdrawal
from Afghanistan? How they did that? No, we all know that.
I'm saying, you find me the one win that they

(24:47):
have on the world stage that you can point what
getting us embroiled in the endless supplying of a war
between Russia and Ukraine that Russia is slowly winning and
choking off Ukraine and killing a generation of U Granian fighters.
Like what exactly was Biden able to accomplish? And I
mean his team really, because we all know about Biden himself.

(25:08):
And then you see what Trump has claimed work one
hundred and I don't know, one hundred and twenty or
something days into the administration or less than that, and
already you're talking about a true strategic shift in our
relationship with China, which is I mean, the EU is
the largest economy in the world, right, but if we
break it down, it's US and then it's China by
nation state.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
And we're not even talking about this stuff from the
Mid East and the trillion dollars of investment that he's
going to be bringing in from there. I also think,
and it has not been recognized, and probably that's because
a lot of people are morons. He's also now strategically
really isolated Ran and given himself substantial leeway when it

(25:51):
comes to negotiating this new deal. And let me explain
in basically one minute what I mean by this. Syria
is now going to be viewing Trump as a hero.
They certainly view Saudi Arabia as heroic for helping to
get them off of the sanctions list. As I said,
he pulled off the sanctions, which means Syria now has

(26:12):
a chance. Let's see what this country can do. Let's
see what the new leadership of Syria can do. There's
been a big opening here for them. You know, you
wanna do good things, Trump's gonna bring good things to you.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You wanna play stupid games, You're gonna win stupid prizes.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Great relationship, even better maybe than it's ever been with
Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Syria. We know that historically
Israel is an ally of the United States. I would
submit to you that Trump has now given himself the leeway,
if necessary, to have strikes against Iran and not have

(26:48):
other parts of the Middle East react and say, oh
my goodness, what in the world is Trump doing. Iran
is really really isolated now because Siria is not going
to care. Certainly, Saudi Arabia doesn't want a nuclear powered Iran,
the UAE doesn't want that, Kutar doesn't want that. Israel,

(27:08):
Israel doesn't want that. They may be coming from different perspectives,
but they're all aligned now with the United States in
the Middle East. We have managed to kind of in
the Ghostbusters analogy, Buck bring cats and dogs together to
marshal them against Iran. And you've been over there. When's
the last time you even heard a story about Iraq? Yeah,

(27:32):
I mean, what I don't even I mean, I'm gonna
be honest. You used to read twenty stories a day
about what was going on in Iraq when we were
spending wasting, unfortunately trillions of dollars on Iraq. I can't
even tell you what is going on in Iraq? Do
you have any I don't really have any clue. Remember
when we killed Solimani, it was, oh my god, World
War three is gonna happen. I don't remember the last
time Iraq had any sort of major say on the

(27:56):
larger geopolitical stage.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
I mean, you haven't seen in Iran story in quite
some time, and I think it's kind of limping along
as a country, but it has it has certainly. Yeah,
it's dropped out of the headlines. I can't even think
of the last story that we talked about this on
the show about a rock, but on the Iran isolation
from the world. I mean the problem and I think

(28:19):
you can see this very clearly. The Obama administration essentially
gave up all other possible wins in the Middle East
and had created a disaster. I mean, I would play
I could do a three hour show right now at
the top of my head on what a disaster Obama's
foreign policy, which Biden was in charge of, by the way,
allegedly what a disaster Obama's foreign policy was. And even Democrats,

(28:42):
some of them were like, this is just I can't
This is so indefensible and on so many.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Levels it was atrocious.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
But it was all to get Iran further and meshed
in the international system, give them essentially inducements for better behavior.
It did not work. Iran did not behave better. People say, oh, well,
Trump got us out of it. Yeah, because he saw
where this was going. He saw what the inducements got us,
which is this, this is a corrupt and evil regime.

(29:09):
There's no there's no turning it around with them.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Now.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
This is who the Mullahs are, so to speak, It's
who the IRGC is. And and there, I think is
just the understanding that Trump has on foreign policy of who.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Are friends, who are enemies? How do we treat them?
Do they know?

Speaker 5 (29:28):
The difference and the answer with Trump to those questions
is quite clear.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I think I think that's one hundred percent right. You
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (29:35):
You know Trump knows who the good guys are, who
the bad guys are. That sounds so simple.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But Democrats don't I know so bad.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
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Speaker 5 (31:58):
All right, welcome back into Clay and with some law
enforcement and legal expertise. Here, our friend Paul Morrow is back,
former NYPD inspector. He's an attorney as well, founder of
opsdesk dot org and a Fox News contributor inspect tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Great to have you back on the show, sir.

Speaker 7 (32:16):
Great to be with you guys.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
All right, so I know it's early stages.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
You might have heard a little bit of what we
were talking about before with the Sean Combs trial.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
A lot of.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Really grotesque stuff, salacious stuff that is considered I think
a matter of fact and public record now on both sides.
But is it going to be able to be proven
beyond a reasonable doubt that it is criminal? What are
you seeing so far? How are you viewing the likelihood
of well, whichever outcome here in this trial?

Speaker 7 (32:49):
So what I'm seeing is the prosecutor's strategy, right, and
it's way way too early, I would argue, to be
able to come to some sort of a conclusion as
to the likelihood of his conviction. The prosecution very clearly
is doing is establishing right up front that, as you
guys put it, not a good guy, okay, and that
the acts involved here are horrific. That in and of itself, however,

(33:10):
it does not supply enough beyond a reasonable doubt for
a conviction. But by establishing that right up from the
get go, first of all, you shade you color the
perceptions of the jury going forward in regard to everything here.
That's kind of going on in the Karen Reid case
as well. By the way, but you gotta remember something
the charges here. He's the only guy charged, and you

(33:33):
have a rico allegation here along with some other charges,
and that means that there are other members of the
organization and they were not charged, which means almost certainly
there's some flips coming. And that is to say, people
that are members of this organization who are gonna come
in and they're gonna button up in the prosecution's mind,
they gonna button up the piece that you guys are

(33:54):
saying is potentially missing. And I'm not disagreeing with you,
we just haven't gotten to it yet. You're gonna have testimony,
would argue where they are going to put forth the
idea that he had an organization, that it was coercive,
and then there's all this other stuff marveled throughout it,
including guns, drugs, physical assaults, even some allegations of arson.

(34:15):
It's gonna get very very volatile, very lurid, and that's
what they're gonna put their meat on the bones of
the indictment as it's written.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Why do you think they started with Cassie his girlfriend?
She is the first witness bringing the case, because to me,
that is the most salacious, but it actually and I'm
curious how you would analyze this is one that he
might have the best defense for because she was with
him for a decade, and if you truly felt like

(34:44):
you were being mistreated. I think most people, right, I
think most people out there, if they were in a
decade long relationship and you kept in that relationship, a
lot of people would say, Hey, she had to have
consented to a lot of this. She wasn't necessarily coerced,
right to me, starting with this actually offers him the

(35:07):
best defense, whereas if they had started with, hey, let
me get into some of the particulars of what we
think were criminal behavior, maybe by people who were his
former colleagues, former co workers, people that he employed. It
actually looks more like a clinical crime than a broken relationship,
clearly between a guy and a girlfriend.

Speaker 7 (35:29):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a very smart observation,
because you're right, that is very much the dynamic in
this and we've seen that from the get go. Because
notice that Colmes' defense Okay, who is Mark Agnifflow, by
the way, a very very competent and experience attorney. His wife, Karygniffolo,
is actually the defense attorney for the Manchione case. She's

(35:49):
got minchioned. So they're well known here in New York
City criminal circles. They both work for the Manhattan DIA's office,
probably around when you were that buck with us in
New York.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, but that's it.

Speaker 7 (35:59):
Yeah, so you know they've been around. Any note, he's
very competent attorney. He's a lot of high profile cases,
so you know, he's got very good representation here. But
what he's done, Clay, is what the prosecution has done,
excuse me, which is a two female prosecutors are the
part of the team. One for him, by the way,
is the daughter of James Komy, not James Komy, his
daughter is one of the prosecutors. So this stuff is

(36:21):
all very New York at this point. But one of
the things they're going to do now is to confront
the dynamic Clay that you're talking about subsequent to Cassie.
And as I said, what they did upfront is just
put the black head on calms. They made him a
bad guy to the point that even his defense had
to say, hey, you know what is a bad guy.

(36:41):
He's a domestic abuser, but that doesn't make him a
Rico purp. That doesn't make him a sex trafficker. Right,
They're trying to draw that distinction. So now everything is
going to be colored by that. But the question you
pose is now what the prosecution has to overcome, which
is was it simply transactional? Was Cassie hanging around when

(37:02):
she had ample opportunity to get away? Was she hanging
around because she was getting something out of it? And
this whole thing was kind of consensual, which is going
to be the defense, And that occurs. That dynamic occurs
in all these cases. We saw it in Epstein, and
we saw it in Weinstein. You know, in the Harvey
Weinstein case, she had a similar thing, right like, I
was all transactionally. I knew what they were getting into.

(37:23):
And this comes down to a little bit of the
evolution of America's sort of perception of these things. You're
seeing it in the Menedez case where the argument is
and it's been a winning argument so far, to my shock,
that we have progressed over the decades in our understanding
of certain dynamics in these things, and as a result,
we understand them better and we have to treat them differently.
And so it's going to come down to exactly I

(37:46):
think what you have put on the table, which is
how much the other members of Combs's organization, Because I'm
telling you those that's who's coming here, because it's a RINCO, right,
there's going to be other members of the organization then
not charge. So where is everybody? They're coming on a
prosecution's case, and they're gonna have to say he had
control of her, she didn't have independent will, he threatened her,

(38:07):
he beat her up, she didn't feel like she could leave,
and you gonna have all kinds of other allegations about
how he controlled this organization. And that's gonna be what
a rub hits the road.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
We'll gonna Paul.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
This goes to my next question for you, which my
understanding here, and this was from early on in the case,
and I checked to make sure they already know that
they found illegal drugs, a lot of quote large quantities
of cocaine and meth, and illegal firearms. That's actually something
I do know quite a bit about because if you've
got illegal fire he was down here in Florida's actually

(38:39):
in Miami is where I live, and I think he
had the serial numbers filed off on some AR Fifteen's
a big, big no no. Now this comes up in
the Rico case. But if they've got him on those,
can they just get him separately on those illegal possession charges.

(39:00):
And I asked because also to me, it indicates they
must think they've got something really good on them, right,
because back in the day, if they can get them
on the illegal drugs and llegal guns, why not just
put them away for years on that? They must think
that they can prove this conspiracy at a higher level.

Speaker 7 (39:15):
Yeah, another smart question. So understand something. He's got other charges.
Everybody is focusing on the Rico charge because that's the
thing that tracks to like the mafia, Gravano flipped Doungatti.
We've all heard those stories. But there are other charges here.
I'm going to point one of them out. One of
them is that there isn't a gun charge here in
the superseding indictment. There is a drug charge. However, all right,
he's got a drug distribution charge. So there is that,

(39:38):
and that's recent because that's when when the HSI did
the raid.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Right.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
He's also got an obstruction charge and that almost certainly
goes to the twenty sixteen thing where he tells is
he flores the head the manager, don't do anything with
this tape. You got to cover up this tape somehow.
Rather they brought the statute on that forward. I'll be
curious to see how they do that. But relative to
these other charge is that are here, those remain on

(40:02):
the table as an option for him. And you know,
the one that's actually more serious than the RICO is
the sex trafficking case because and here's why. And this
is the thing I want to tease out. This is
eighteen title eighteen USC. Fifteen ninety one. Anybody can look
it up. It's not it sounds very loyally. Just look
those numbers up. This is sex trafficking of a minor

(40:24):
and that's trouble for him because that carries life and
the statute of limitations.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Sorry to cut you off on that. Who is the minor?
Do we know anything about that?

Speaker 7 (40:34):
You know? No, I don't, And that's not going to
a very good chance. You're not going to hear that
name because obviously it's a minor, so we may hear
in some vague terms. And I don't know if the
person is going to testify. But eighteen fifteen ninety one,
which nobody's really talking about it. I looked for this interview.
I had a lot of the same questions you guys do,
so I started looking into the actual indictment. I pulled

(40:55):
down the PDF as opposed to talking about it off
of People magazine, and I see that's yeah, no kidding,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Let me ask you this, eight men for women on
the jury? Am I a awful And the answer may
be very much yes, awful, sexist, mischauvinist. If I'm diddy,
I want as many men on this trial as I
can get because I think guys are more likely in
New York City to look at this and be like, hey,

(41:24):
these women are getting on these planes. They're consenting to
travel all over the world to go to ditty parties.
They weren't just getting flown around for free. They understood that. Again,
this is what I'm arguing. If I'm the defense attorney,
do you think that the fact that he got eight
men knowing that he only needs one to refuse to
convict right to say, hey, this is reasonable doubt? If

(41:47):
you were the defense attorney, would you want more men
on this jury than women? Do you think that draw
is better for him?

Speaker 8 (41:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (41:55):
I mean, I look, you know that probably makes me
an awful, terrible, horrible sexist person as well, but also
means that we're both living in the real world, right, Yeah,
the answer would be yes, of course. Now that said,
as I said earlier, you know, the understanding of these
sorts of things have very much evolved, and I don't
think there's any denying that as a society we appreciate

(42:16):
the control that an abuser can have over the abused,
and our understanding of that dynamic has come a long
long way. So you know, it's a very blanket statement
and we have to be careful with how we frame that.
But yeah, of course, because women are just going to
be more understanding of that situation they may have experienced
themselves and not. You know, it's not always men controlling women.

(42:38):
It can be the reverse, but let's speak factually, generally,
it is one, especially when it's physical. You know, it's
men over women. This goes almost to the argument of
men and women's sports. Men just have stronger bodies in
a general sense, and blah blah blah. You guys notice, So, yeah,
you're thinking in terms of men who are going to
look at this thing and say to themselves, eh, this

(42:59):
was transactional. Cassie so far, anyway, is the main witness here,
and she stayed with him for eleven years. How is
that possible? There must have been a point where she
could have gotten out of the limo, run into the
police station and spoken her piece, and she didn't do
that until years later when she decides to file a

(43:19):
civil suit, which carries a monetary imperative. Right, there's a
motive embedded in that that she's going to get paid,
and you know, not coincidentally, her records, her music wasn't
exactly number one at that point, so there's going to
be this implication that she did it for money, and
ultimately she got what she wanted. He settled the day after,

(43:40):
as you guys said, So yeah, and it just comes
down to whether the jury buys it. And you know,
there's also the reverse. Some of the men may feel like,
you know what, I got to make sure that I
don't come across as the guy you're talking about, Clay,
and so maybe they're going to lean more into being
protective and others.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
So we'll say, let me ask you this, Paul, because
you hit on it. He settled this case one day
after the civil suit was filed. Leave aside the criminal
The only reason he's getting charged criminally is because that
civil case went public. He settled it for reportedly eight figures.
Is this one of the all time miscalculations that you

(44:20):
can think of? The guy's a billionaire if he settles
this case he had the opportunity to before it ever
went public. None of this probably ensues, because the entire
case seems to have been a roadmap based on that
civil complaint. What a colossal miscalculation this was, especially because
you already went ahead and settled it for you know,

(44:42):
ten for ten million dollars or more the day after
it was filed.

Speaker 7 (44:47):
Yeah, you know, look, we don't know the backstory, and
there almost certainly is one. I would suspect that in
light of the blizzard of civil suits that resulted from
his settlement with her, and it's just been a steamroller,
you know, it's been an ongoing thing, he may have
decided that he was being blackmailed, and he may have
said to himself, you know what, Look, I just gave

(45:08):
her ten million. Now people that I said alow to
in the street are coming after me for ten million
alleging that I did this something similar, And I have
to stop here at some point and just say, you
know what, I can't do it. I have to call
bs because this could go on forever, and even a
billionaire like me, you know, I could be bankrupt. He
didn't put out any music for a long time. He
had put out a more recent album, and he was
kind of like the way I read it, and I'm

(45:30):
you know, look, I don't follow a hip hop real close.
I don't think that's any shock to anybody, but you know,
even I was aware of the fact that he was
kind of in the twilight of his career. He wasn't
one of the more relevant names. Yeah, he had been
at one point the real cultural icon. Those days were over,
and so he may have taken a look at his
money and had a you know, he was supporting two
three houses. He may have said, I can't do this indefinitely,

(45:51):
and so I'm gonna fight it tooth and nail. I'm
not sure he ever saw it going like this, though,
because I have a feeling that if he could have
it back, he would. He certainly did not expect that
HSI raid on his home in La all.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Right, Paul Morrow, great to talk to you, as always,
Thanks for chatting with us here about it. We'll have
you back on as this thing progresses.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Thank you guys, and listen all of you out there.
Friday's at three the Karen Reid case on Fox Nation.
Tune in. We'll cover in a different case with a
lot of lurid details as well.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Hope to see you there.

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I have now the HUD Secretary of Scott Turner, Miss
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Speaker 10 (48:24):
Good to have you on, sir, Hey, great to be
with you, guys, Clay and Buck. So thankful for you
guys having me on.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Oh we appreciate you, sir. So let's dive into this.
How does HUD play in the realm of the men
and women's sports issue? Something we talk about here a
lot on the show. I mean, I know that there's
a Biden equal access rule and that affects HUD funded
providers like shelter services and others. How has the policy

(48:54):
changed when it comes to HUD on men and women's
spaces in general.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
Well, that's a great question. And you alluded to the
equal access rule. We took that rule down. That was
a Biden era rule. We took that rule down on
day one. And what it says now is that men
and women, so if you are a biological female, you
are allowed to go into female Hood funded shelters, but

(49:23):
if you are not a biological female, you are no
longer able or allowed to enter into HUD funded facilities,
including shelters that are for females. This is for our
females only. And you know, the President, I'm so grateful
for him restoring biological truth back to our country. If
you are a female at birth, if you are a

(49:45):
male at birth, there's only two sexes, male and female.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
That's a biological truth. It's a biblical truth.

Speaker 10 (49:50):
And so we're very proud here at HUOD to protect
the ladies of our country. And when you talk about
men and women's sports, you know, guys, I have four sis,
I have a wife, I have a mother, all of
my sisters and I have nine nieces. They were all
athletes and they spent painstake and time to prepare, to

(50:12):
train to compete against other females and not to compete
against males. And so I'm grateful for the President's leadership
on this. I'm a one hundred percent supporter of men
should compete against men, women should compete against women. At
at HUD, we're upholding that truth when it comes to
a HUD fund the facilities.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Secretary, you played nine years in the NFL. What percentage
of NFL players do you think are against men being
able to compete in women's sports.

Speaker 10 (50:44):
Man, if I just had to guess, I would say
one hundred percent, you know, being playing in the NFL,
you know, and being in that locker room, playing against
the best athletes in the world. Just from a common
sense standpoint, yep, to have a lady compete in the

(51:06):
NFL or contact football against men that literally could take
your life or hurt you real bad, that just makes
no sense. And so I would hope to say that
it'll be one hundred percent of guys, but it would.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Be a crazy percentage. And my argument has been the
higher level athletics you have played, I think every guy
who plays high school college, obviously very small percentage goes
on like you did to play in the pros. But
the more of an athlete you are, the crazier I think.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
You think.

Speaker 10 (51:37):
This is absolutely I agree, you know, and when you
go from high school to college to the pros, the
level of competition, the strength, the speed, the attitude, you know,
there's no comparison. And so I think that guys, like
I said before, that in an NFL locker room or
in an NBA locker room or Major League Baseball locker room,

(51:59):
they are you know, we think the same. And when
you break it down just to the training, the type
of training that we do, and you know, we have
ladies that are in professional sports that train vigorously, that train,
they're so committed. But when it comes to game and competition,
women should compete against women and men should compete against men.

(52:19):
You know, I saw videos of a precious volleyball girl.
I can't remember her name. She was a female planer
in a volleyball match and there was a transgender man
I guess on the other side and.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
He hate I think was her name. It already cut
you off at Paknab. I think you're right. That video
went viral, that dude soaring up above the net and
smashing the ball in a way that a woman couldn't.

Speaker 10 (52:43):
That's it, I mean, end the story.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
You were just with the President in the Oval Office
for the announcement of the NFL Draft coming to d
C twenty twenty seven, new stadium being built for Washington's team.
You played for the Redskins back in the day. What
is the impact of that for d C and what
does the President's commitment mean for DC you think going forward?

Speaker 10 (53:09):
So yes, I'm very excited for the red Skins on
now the Commanders to bring the stadium back to the
site where RFK is. I played in RFK, I was
drafted by the red Skins. Just the excitement of the
team coming back to the capital, coming back to d C.
The anticipation is great. Even inside of the press conference,

(53:30):
you could sense the energy and anticipation from the owners,
from Commission, a good day from the President and others
to have the stadium back. And so from a sports standpoint,
it will be tremendous, but also from an economic development
and a community development standpoint, this will make an impact
that it hasn't had in many in decades really since

(53:51):
I played for the Redskins. I played in the last
game in RFK and in the first game in the
stadium in Maryland.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And so to bring that back.

Speaker 10 (53:59):
From a housing standpoint, from a commercial development standpoint, retail,
from a community engagement standpoint, economically and from a personal
the people, the families will bring new life back to
this area in DC.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And so I'm very excited.

Speaker 10 (54:15):
I know the Redscans or Commander's organization is excited and
the people in the capital are looking forward to that.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
So, as Secretary of Housing and Urban development. What are
just some of the top initiatives that President Trump wants
you to pursue on behalf of his administration while you're
in this role. I mean, because you know, HUD doesn't
tend to get the same headlines as a Treasury or
the State Department does, Right, But what are some of
the things that you can do at HUD that would

(54:44):
be maga.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
Well, you're talking about housing. You know, housing impacts every family,
every individual in our country, all three hundred and fifty
million people in this country.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Housing makes the impact.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
Housing is not political, it's not Republican, and it's not democrat.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
You know, it's not red, it's not blue.

Speaker 10 (55:02):
We need about seven million units of housing in our country.
And while being we may not be in the headlines
that it pertains to the news media, what we do
on the daily basis impacts every American and so housing
affordability is a major priority for us. Taking down burden
some regulations, freeing up local control, local flexibility across our country,

(55:26):
and providing the local mayors and economic development. You know,
every city is unique when it as it pertains the housing,
and so we've been working really hard and tearing down
rules such as the affirmatively further and fair Housing rule,
which was a regional zoning issue here that Washington was
telling localities how they should zone their neighborhoods. So taking

(55:48):
that down and restoring that back to the localities. Also
when it pertains the disaster recovery here, you know, we've
had major hurricanes and fires in LA and in North Carolina,
and so we are on the front lines of helping
families to rebuild their families, their homes, their businesses.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And so when you think.

Speaker 10 (56:07):
About HUD, think about people that are impacting families and
impacting individuals right where they are, being in housing, being
disaster recovery, being eradicating and attacking homelessness in our country.
And so that's what we're about, guys. We literally meet
people where they are. The media may not cover it
in such a way as they cover other agencies, but

(56:27):
that's not what we're concerned about. To your point, what
we are concerned about is the assignment we have to
serve the American people that we've been caught to serve,
and I have the best team in America to do so.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
We're talking to HUDD Secretary Scott Turner. You're in DC now,
how good is Jaden Daniels going to be?

Speaker 10 (56:47):
Jade And Daniels is a baller and I am super
proud of him. You know, he just goes to work.
He's one of those guys. He doesn't talk about it.
He just gets it done. And what I'm really impressed
about him one is his character and the way that
he carries himself on and off the field. But also
from a professional athlete, former professional athlete standpoint, the game

(57:09):
seems to be slow for him, and that's really man's
It's miraculous that even in his rookie year, his control
of the game and how the game seems to slow
down for him, even in his decision making and his
checkdowns and having to grasp you know, of the game
in the NFL so quickly, is is pretty miraculous.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Well, we appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
And boy, I can't wait to see what that new
stadium is going to look like. And I promise you
that I will be there for the draft in twenty
twenty seven. That's going to be an incredible scene, perfect location.
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Indeed, it's gonna be epic.

Speaker 10 (57:44):
I'll see you there.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
For sure, all right, appreciate that that is another one
of the Trump's cabinet members, the h the HUD director
Scott Turner. Fantastic stuff there, I want to tell you.
Speaking of fantastic stuff, Buck, are you nervous? Are you
nervous about the Knicks fifty years not being able to
get things done? Are you getting nervous about tonight's game
where the Knicks can advance to the Eastern Conference Finals?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Maybe a little bit. I don't think you think the
series is over. I don't think the series is over.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
I think it's easy for you, mister I live in
Nashville to just make this assumption about my New York Knicks.
My New York Knicks never miss an opportunity, to miss
an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
That is often, sadly the case. The Knick Celtics play tonight,
the Warriors, timber Wolves in the NBA. We've also got
NHL playoffs underway. Florida Panthers they've done pretty well defending champs,
going up against the Maple Leafs, and you got the
Oilers going up against the Golden Knights. All that taking
place tonight, as well as my Atlanta Braves in action

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