Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 15 2025

The Big Coverup

The hour opens with analysis of former President Donald Trump's trip to the Middle East, including his visit with U.S. troops in Qatar and ongoing diplomatic efforts to prevent a nuclear Iran without engaging in war. The hosts highlight the potential for Trump to achieve peace in the region, even speculating on his worthiness for a Nobel Peace Prize—despite media resistance.

A major focus of this hour is the explosive revelations surrounding President Joe Biden’s cognitive decline. Clay and Buck dissect new reports suggesting Biden frequently forgot the names of his top advisors, including long-time aides like Jake Sullivan and Kate Bedingfield. They argue that this is not a recent development, but a long-standing issue that was deliberately concealed by the media and Democratic leadership. The hosts call it a “vast left-wing conspiracy” to hide Biden’s mental and physical health from the American public, comparing it to the media’s treatment of January 6 and demanding congressional hearings to investigate the cover-up.

The discussion also touches on the implications of the 25th Amendment, questioning why it was never invoked despite clear signs of presidential incapacity. Clay and Buck criticize the mainstream media, particularly CNN and MSNBC, for their complicity and dishonesty, asserting that many journalists knowingly misled the public. They also question the role of Vice President Kamala Harris and First Lady Jill Biden in perpetuating the alleged deception.

Did you buy the dip?

The Stock Market’s recovery and falling gas prices — developments they claim are being ignored by left-leaning media outlets. They also tease breaking news about Rep. Jim Jordan’s investigation into Pfizer allegedly delaying COVID-19 vaccine trial results to influence the 2020 election, further fueling claims of widespread institutional manipulation. Trump is working on no war in the Middle East and no nuclear Iran

Supreme Court Rulings 
 
Hour 2 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show delivers a high-energy, in-depth analysis of the latest political and legal developments shaping the 2024 election cycle and beyond. The hour opens with a discussion of explosive claims from OH Rep. Jim Jordan, who alleges that Pfizer executives may have deliberately withheld COVID-19 vaccine trial results before the 2020 election—potentially influencing the outcome. Clay and Buck connect this to broader concerns about election integrity, media manipulation, and the growing list of revelations surrounding the so-called “rig job” of 2020.

A major focus of this hour is the Supreme Court’s oral arguments on two critical issues: the legality of President Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship and the constitutionality of nationwide injunctions issued by federal district court judges. The hosts break down the legal complexities, emphasizing how a single lower court judge currently holds outsized power to block presidential actions nationwide—an imbalance that undermines the separation of powers. Justice Clarence Thomas’s remarks are highlighted to show how this practice only emerged in the 1960s and has since exploded, particularly in left-leaning circuits like the Ninth.

Status vs. Wealth

Trump’s speech to U.S. troops stationed in Qatar, where he emphasized military strength, patriotism, and announced substantial pay raises for service members. Clay and Buck highlight the Trump administration’s success in revitalizing military recruitment and shifting the Pentagon’s focus back to national defense rather than progressive social agendas.

The hosts then pivot to Trump’s diplomatic breakthroughs in the Middle East, including potential normalization with Syria and ongoing negotiations with Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, and even Iran. They und

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Clay Travis en Buck
Sexton Show kicks off right now, and we have so
much to discuss with you, as is always the case here,
we've got the Trump trip to the Middle East. He
spoke to US troops and cutter and talking about what
we're doing for the military these days. More on the border,

(00:24):
more on what's going on with the Trump administration's efforts
to secure the border, and that includes interior enforcement of
our laws. The left is still very upset about the
South African refugees, which is not a surprise, but remember
fifty of them. There's fifty. It's really just, if nothing else,

(00:48):
they find it so outrageous and insulting. And it goes
to some broader and very important arguments that everybody should
be aware of, which is that Democrats have been trained
to believe that you cannot be why and be oppressed anywhere.
That's a remarkable position, but that really is in fact
their position. White people are not oppressed anywhere in the world,
that is not a possibility. They generally believe that about

(01:11):
Christians too, you know, even in places like Pakistan or
it doesn't matter. Christians can't be oppressed, Saudi Arabia Christians
are depressed. You know, it's all fine. So we'll discuss
some of those details with you know, I find that
to be a very important, important case study. And we've
also got I listened all morning, Clay, and it was

(01:31):
very I was I was in charge of the baby
for a while, so I was taking care of baby,
listening Supreme Court arguments, trying to stay in the zone,
you know, make sure baby's good, make sure I'm here
in all the process and all the back and forth
over the Supreme Court. And it's about the birthright Citizenship
Executive Order. Clay, you and I actually talk about this
a little bit. I'll tell you what I heard, what

(01:52):
I picked up, and then you could tell me, you know,
where you think this is all going and what's really
happening here. It's a lot of process talk on a
huge case that if it goes against the Trump administration eventually.
Today was really just on the injunction what should happen Now,
it's not a final or it's not a final decision

(02:12):
by any means. They haven't even heard the merits of
the case. But this case State of New Jersey coming
forward to say, well, we are so harmed and this
is so obviously outrageous that you have to do things
right now to stop this before you even hear the
merits and it gets to universal injunctions, a lot of
legally stuff. We'll talk about it, but wow, the Biden

(02:35):
decline cover up is something that people, I think are
seeing now clear that we have more and more details
about this that are coming out. It's even I don't
know if it's worse than we thought, because we all
knew and it was as bad as I think it
could have been, but it was as bad as we
thought it was going to be. And I also think
that they're realizing that they're going to have to take

(02:57):
their medicine on this. People are not buying the arguments
on it. We've got a whole lot more information about
like the incoherent mumblings of Biden, all of this kind
of stuff. What do you make of this? Because it
has really taken over the news cycle. Yes, so today's

(03:17):
revelations are so so let me take a step back.
It is Thursday, the book comes out on Tuesday. It
seems to me quite clear that they have decided, Hey,
we're going to have a new bad revelation every day
between now and publication day, and I sort of think

(03:38):
that there must be something truly explosive that they are
holding for Monday or Tuesday that's even worse than what
we've seen already. So just a refresher on what we've seen.
George Clooney says that Biden didn't recognize him. They debated
having to put him in a wheelchair. Today's revelations are

(04:00):
many of Biden's top advisors he couldn't remember their names.
This is pretty crazy stuff. I mean, even for us
to I thought, hey, you know, Biden's pretty bad. I
didn't think that he would be forgetting his top advisor's names.

(04:20):
And this is where I think it's even getting worse
than maybe anyone thought that it could be. Does that
make sense? So much of what you how you react
as expectations. If your kid, generally speaking, is a C
student and he gets a D, you might be like, ah, man,

(04:42):
what are you doing? You could do better than that.
If you're a student gets a D, you're like, you're grounded.
What are you doing in your life? Right? You react
differently based on what you expect from people, And this
is the story of to the New York Post. Biden

(05:02):
couldn't recall his top aides names when they were in
front of him. This is like, oh man, this is staggering.
Including Donnellan, the guy who was his advisor since the
nineteen eighties. He forgot his name in twenty nineteen during
the twenty twenty presidential campaign. That's what's what's so important

(05:26):
here is I assumed and clauses before you and I
were teamed up on this show, I had said on
my show during the Democrat primary many times on the air,
it can't be Joe Biden. Guys, he has clear dementia. Yeah,
twenty nineteen, Okay, it was obvious to anybody who was
paying attention that he had already declined substantially. What they're

(05:49):
trying to pull now, I think they're only a hope
of escaping with any integrity at all. This sort of
journalistic blob in DC in particular is oh, the decline
was so rapid, it happened so quickly. He was fine
until the election year or thereabouts. But that's also not true.
And we called him dementia Joe for four years. I

(06:11):
used to sit here, and you know, in twenty twenty one,
in twenty twenty two. I'd say, hey, Joe Biden should
be out somewhere sitting on a park bench feeding the ducks,
and yet he is commander in chief. We all knew,
we all said it, and now what comes out is
everything that we It's this is a little bit like
COVID deja vu for those of us that are. Everything
that we said, and every joke we made and every

(06:34):
snarky comment we dropped out of frustration that there were
so many lies is a one hundred percent accurate. It
was the absolute truth. Here are a couple of details.
Jake Sullivan was a long time Biden ade. Multiple times
in twenty twenty two in public, meaning a lot of
people knew, Joe Biden called him Steve. He does kind

(06:59):
of look like Steve, you know, and it is kind
of funny and ridiculous, But this is the President of
the United States. I'm not great with names. I screw
up names all the time. I am not name guy.
Some of you may be out there that I have
screwed up. I'm not good with names. But if you
don't know your top advisor's names, he called him Steve

(07:24):
beckoned for him to come over and Jake Sullivan, who
is out there publicly saying Biden as sharp as attack.
By the way, someone's gonna show up with a video
where Biden in the Oval is looking right at Jake Salivan.
He's like, Suirley, I told you how to burn the
toast again. He's just this is gonna get really bad.

(07:45):
You imagine in that room he calls Steve, Steve, get
over here, and everybody's like looking around because there is
no Steve, and then he called him Steve again. He
also called his top assistant and current spokeswoman Bettingfield, Press like,
these are people that are close to Biden, okay, and

(08:08):
this is where I come back. Sullivan, by the way,
started to work for Biden in twenty thirteen, so he
had been with him for a decade at that point.
Kate Bettingfield started with the vice president in twenty fifteen.
So we're talking about decade long relationships of people in
close proximity. D Uh. Of course these are the these
are the top people in the White House. Clay. Can

(08:29):
you imagine, you know, if Trump was in his first term,
if he had if he had like looked at Ivanka
and called her, you know, Cheryl or Susie or whatever. Right, Yeah,
it would have been It would have been a huge
story and everybody would have been in, oh my gosh,
he's got the nuclear codes and what are we gonna do?
And he's a commander in chief. These people all knew,

(08:52):
they all knew what was going on, and they hid
this even though we all knew what was going on.
And what's a amazing is that you still had how many.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Millions of people vote for Kabala and think that this
was all fine and this was a better option than like,
when you actually look at it, it is terrifying that
so many Democrats were like, you know what, it's okay,
they tried the dementia puppet thing.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Let's go with Kamala now, like, well, this was this
is the biggest Is it the biggest political I mean,
I got a thing now, I'm like, hmm, there's some
Trump stuff with the prosecutions. This is in some ways
the most outrageous though, because it is such an insult
to our intelligence. They were insulting the intelligence of the
American people in a way that you never really seen before.
The insult and that the insult now is the press

(09:39):
trying to cover up and say, how could we have
possibly known? And what the answer is? Somehow at least
half of America watch these videos. But it wasn't just
that they they knew that you were They knew, but
so they lied intentionally and attacked people like you and me.
I mean, their headlines still out there of us pointing
out Biden's physical and mental frail and you had guys

(10:01):
like Scarborough. I mean, sharp, You've known him for fifty
years and this is the best version of Biden. I mean,
this is like, this is where you realize you're a
somewhat criminal. I think buck which I hadn't heard vero
many people talk about. But if you allow someone to
be in a position of power who has dementia, it
is I think criminal negligence on the part of the

(10:22):
advisors too have permitted this to occur. Well, what's the statue.
I mean, you've got to tell me what crime. I
agree with you, it's it's a betrayal of the country.
It's reckless beyond words, but being dishonest morons. Unfortunately that
they've got to lock up a lot of DC If
that's well, when you go under oath, as many of
these people did, and say Biden is fine, he's sharp

(10:43):
as attack. I mean, there's pretty ample evidence now that
many of those people are saying that. Yes. I mean,
then if you're want to get people on perjury, that's
the statue. Yeah, if that's the case. I meant, at
a minimum, you could get them on perjury. But I mean,
this would be a great question for a US attorney
if if there is a conspiracy to cover up the

(11:04):
health of the president of the United States, who is
unable to do the job. And remember when Hillary said
there was a vast right wing conspiracy and everybody kind
of ridiculed it about Bill Clinton. I think it is
clear at this point that there was a vast left
wing conspiracy to conceal Joe Biden's dementia, and there were

(11:24):
many people who knew about this and chose to lie publicly,
sometimes under oath, about his fitness to be president of
the United States. I mean, the irony here, Buck is,
all these people lectured us about being on the right
side of history, and I believe they engaged in the
most indefensible act in the White House that any of

(11:48):
us by and large have seen in any of our lives. Also,
just Jo, we could do a supercut of and I
mean some of these exact individuals that you're talking about
whose names were forgotten by And it's not you know,
when we're talking about Biden forgetting a name, it's not
you know, somebody saying something and then correcting himself a

(12:08):
second later. It's he probably had a conversation with the
person with that name, having no idea what the difference is.
Because he has dementia, okay, because his brain is not
functioning the way that it used to. And all of
these people, though Clay, were making the case when Trump
was in office that we should invoke the one that
his advisor should invokee. The twenty fifth Amendent on Donald Trump.
They all know what the twenty fifth Amendment is. If

(12:29):
this was not the time to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment,
why do we have it? Why is it even on
the books. Is there a more clear cutcase in the
history of this country while that amendment has been in
force when it should have been used. No, And yet
they used it as a political weapon against Trump and

(12:50):
not as a tool to help the country and do
their duty by the American people. This is this is catastrophic, man.
I mean, the amount of of credibility and integrity and
decency that has been just lit on fire in front
of everybody, not just you, me, the right wingers. Anybody
with a brain who's paying attention knows this is terrible

(13:13):
what they tell you this. Sorry to cut you off, Buck,
but I'm the more I read about this, the more
fired up I get. We had congressional hearings about January sixth.
Why would Republicans not have hearings and an investigation into
Joe Biden's dementia and the cover up that Democrats provided
for it and call all of these people under oath

(13:35):
and make them testify about what they saw based on
some of the revelations that are coming out in this book.
Tell me why that wouldn't make sense? Yeah, makes sense
to me. We have some people. Have you heard anybody
suggest it? I haven't heard anybody suggest it, But I mean,
if you use jan sixth as an argument, that's the
worst day since the Civil War. That's what Joe Biden.
Kamala Harris tried to say. Where does this rank covering

(13:58):
up the president's dementia for years in incredible danger that
our country faced, not to mention who was the actual president? Well,
we also need to know. And there have been people
raising the issue of the autopen and it's usage now
a lot of people use autopens. It's not that there
was an autopen used by a president, and it's did
the president actually know that his signature was going on

(14:20):
these things? Right? You know, if your wife says, sign
my check and she says, that's fine, it's not forgery,
Like you're not gonna get a double for it. Right
if you're signing checks and you're giving yourself money and
people don't know, and that's that's not okay. And the
same thing would apply to the press. I mean, you're
so right here, and I mean there is significant examination,

(14:41):
for instance, in contract rights, did someone understand did they
have the wherewithal to bind themselves or a corporation to
a contract based on their signature if they were not
of sound mind to be engaging in it. In other words,
if you are, and this is in an insane asylum,
you can can't sign away the property value of your house.

(15:03):
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Speaker 1 (16:25):
I know a lot of you are always saying to us,
make sure we focus on what Trump is doing, and
we will continue do that today. We try to do
it every day. The good news is he's just got
so much going that is in progress. We're updating you
on it. In the Middle East and the deals he's
trying to accomplish there. We'll have more of the specifics
when he gets back. Obviously, while he's over there, some

(16:47):
of these things are still being negotiated. But we do
know that there is reporting that Iran wants a deal
on the nuclear program with Trump. Can Trump figure out
something with Iran? Is Look, we want iron not to
have nukes and we want to not have to go
to war or engage in an extended aerial campaign that

(17:10):
could lead into war against Iran. Right, We're trying to
accomplish both of those things if possible. That's what Trump
is trying to accomplish no war in the Middle East,
no nuclear Iran, and be confident in that, be certain
in that. To agree, you can be certain in anything.
And we'll see if Trump is able to pull that off.
It's so funny, Clay, he may in fact be worth

(17:30):
by the end of this administration, maybe by the end
of this year, the Nobel Peace Prize several times over.
They will never give it to him, never ever, because
that is just going right into the heart of the
international elite. They will never give him the Nobel Peace Prize,
even though well that's why it's kind of become a joke.

(17:51):
But we are watching this closely. You're also noticing we're
not talking too much about the economy this week. That's because, hey,
how's your four to one k looking Clay over there
with his French cuff shirts with the monograms and the
stock ticker behind him. I can just see it right now.
We got to get like a separate set for you
on radio where Clay's like, all right, guys, we're talking stocks.

(18:11):
He said, don't sell, if anything buy. It was good advice.
It was good advice, and I will tell you great advice.
I actually I did buy the dip and uh, and
it was a good move. Stocks are up for the year.
That that's the thing you need to know. And you know,
things have gotten a lot better because they don't put
the stock ticker up on CNN, they don't put the

(18:33):
stock ticker up on MSNBC. It is such a dishonest
thing that when the stocks were going down, that was
the lead story. Price of eggs. Let me hit you
at this buck. Price of gas. Nobody talking about it.
Last night, I went to an MLS game two dollars
sixty five cents. I drove past a Nashville area gas

(18:55):
station two dollars sixty five cents. It is continuing to
come down even as we typically gas prices go up
in the summer. People drive more, that's a general rule.
It's down by half compared to what it was in
the summer of twenty twenty two with Joe Biden virtually
zero media discussion. That's how most people recognize what the

(19:17):
price of goods is. That's the thing they see and
just and see price changing constantly. Gas prices for year lows.
You know, And part of this, I think is whether
you're when you're reporting on the news, you have to
focus on what is important, and you look for what
is in conflict in those important areas. Right, So the economy,

(19:37):
should we be spending more or how's the market going?
Or where's unemployment? And what can be done to change this?
And what are the policies. The opposition to Trump on
these things right now is so weak as to be
not even really worthy of time. That's just the truth
that they are not mounting any real arguments against it.
So we're updating you on what he's doing at some

(19:59):
level because that's the only show in town and it's
going well, right. I mean, if it was and when
things were rough, what did we say, Okay, the market's down,
it's going to be choppy. This is going to require
a reset. But we think he knows what he's doing,
trusting this, and sure enough, here we are. So I
just give you all that because we're watching. Trust me,
all Clay and I do is read the news pretty
much all day long and set up stories to talk

(20:19):
about because I know there can be a little bit
of pushback on why are we talking about the Biden thing?
Because we're just finding out the full extent of how
dishonest and disgraceful.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
It was.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah. And by the way, to people out there who say, well,
we know he was bad. Did you see what they
did on January sixth? They spent four years marinating in
January sixth, they had prime time hearings, they came out
and told all of us it was the worst day
since the Civil War. I would submit to you this

(20:52):
is way worse. And the media is going to cover it,
and the Democrat brand it's a big left wing conscent.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
Beer.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
See, if Republicans do their job and they hold all
these people's feet to the fire, this will make January
sixth look like a random BLM riot, which is basically
what it was. And we saw hundreds of those. We
never remembered the bore in our lives. I remember this
Tapper publicly, mister Jake Tapper, who's co authored this book

(21:21):
that is rightly being Unfortunately, they're going to sell a
ton of copies, so it is a smart financial decision.
But the premise of it, which is we're the good
guys for telling you the truth now, is absurd and
just just an affront to our intelligence and to the
dignity of public discourse.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
But we're watching all the But I do think that
building on what you just said is important and why
this is such a huge deal. They have to cover
it to make themselves cleansed from their complicity. There's no
way around this, that's right. That's why they want control
of the narrative to the greatest possible degree. And you've
almost started to see some of them maybe with the

(22:01):
beginnings of some contrition, insofar as they would rather be
thought dumb than dishonest. Just remember that they because they
know dishonesty means you're never listening to them again. Dumb
means I'll do better next time. That's what they're going
for here. But it actually was not that it was
that they were dishonest. They are clever, Tapa. I just

(22:23):
wanted to point out, and you can go go go
check on Twitter public he was of the Oh, you
said that people shouldn't attack cops on January sixth, and
I mean on the day and right after. You're all complicit.
You get no credit for it. Everybody who was speaking
out against violence that day, you know your blood is
on your He was one of those guys. He was
a blood is on all your hands guys. And as

(22:44):
we know, the only like substantial injury, or rather, the
only fatal injury was to a woman who was shot
by a police officer as capitolill copla the neck anyway,
Ashley Babbitt, which is still a stain on this country
that that happened. But okay, so here we are, now,
Clay and they're going to have to try to explain

(23:04):
this to their own side. Wolf Blitzer, the most milk
toast of the CNN, right, I think I nailed that one.
Thank you. I think that gave me perfectly information. Yes,
the most milk toast of the CNN anchor stable over there.
He starts with Hakeem Jefferies on Okay, what did we
know about this decline? Let's walk through this together, friends.

(23:26):
This just happened last twenty four hours, play too.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
President Biden didn't even recognize George Clooney at a fundraiser.
Why should voters trust Democrats when it's clear so many
in your party went to great lengths to keep Biden's
condition hidden hidden from the public.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
I can't tell you what happened between George Clooney and
President Biden that wasn't at that event.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
What I can say is that when not looking back.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
We We're going to continue to look forward because at
this moment, we've got real problems that need to be
addressed on behalf of the American people, including the Republican
effort to snatch away healthcare, snatch away for assistants and
hurt veterans.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's not gonna work, the uh, the old Potomac pivot,
it's not it's not gonna work.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
The uh.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
We're just looking forward now. No, Actually, this is in
many ways, Clay. I think Vima for the honor and
integrity such as it is of a political party in America,
I've never seen anything like this before. I've never seen
anything that is this because it wasn't and you know,

(24:29):
I don't want to get at all. The January sixth
was a different thing. You know, there was a whole
lot of there was a lot of rigging that went
on in that election. There's a whole lot of reason
for concern. It was mostly it was a mostly peaceful protest.
It was mostly a protest and everything else. This was
a all the King's horses and all the King's men,
multi year conspiracy at the very top of the government,

(24:53):
day in and day out. It wasn't a protest that
got too rowdy and that then was treated like it
was you know, Pearl Barbauming. I think, and I think
we need to see this for what it is. Yeah,
and that's why I think we need to have primetime
congressional hearings. I just I don't if Republicans do not
do this, they are incompetent, because one, it's super important

(25:17):
for the country. We can never have this situation occur again.
Say whatever you want about Barack Obama, say whatever you
want about Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush. Did
anybody doubt that they had the mental faculties to make
whatever choices they wanted to make? Of course not. I
think Heck, I'd like to see Obama under oath. Why

(25:40):
did Obama not pick Joe Biden in twenty sixteen. It's
some real question that Biden has never really answered. I
think it's because they could see already that he was
in the early stages of dementia in twenty sixteen, and
that's why he went to Hillary about that. He didn't

(26:01):
let his VP that was there for eight years take over. Now.
I know they tried to say, well, Joe, you're just
not doing well enough because your son died. I'm sure
that was debilitating to Biden and probably did not help
his descent into dementia. But was the death of his
son partly what they used as a cover to explain

(26:26):
his descent into dementia. Maybe it accelerated it. In twenty nineteen,
he didn't recognize the guy who had been his top
advisor since the nineteen eighties. And I hate to say this,
but you all know how dementia works. Some days you

(26:47):
can have good days and you can think, hey, maybe
it's not so bad. I thought they this is where
you and I see this a little differently. I think
they thought they could thread the needle with a good
day on debate night. And I don't know how they
thought that. I don't know what the nap schedule was
or whatever, or the drugs that they were likely shooting
him up with right before he went out. And I

(27:09):
you know, you could look at his eyes. Remember us
talking about how he would wear the sunglasses. But if
you zoomed in on his eyes, the man looked hopped
up on stuff like crazy when he was given some
of these speeches. Remember how angry he looked. Remember how
I mean, I'm there is zero doubt that they were
shooting him up like crazy. Remember when he finished the

(27:32):
State of the Union and he read go get Him?
Do you remember that? And remember when he went to
Ukraine and at the end he had lived, and they
were so angry at him about what he said at
the end, like we've got a tear down putin or
whatever it was. They the guy could barely read off

(27:52):
a prompter. But like an old ballplayer who's been doing
something for a long time, he could be as good
as he was for short periods of time, depending on
day and time. I'm gonna tell you this right now.
If it was really about what was good for the
country and going forward, being more accurate and doing a
better job, where's your invitation. Where's my invitation to go

(28:16):
on Morning Joe and explain why we the whole time? Yeah,
but when is the view going to say, Hey, Buck,
I want you to come on and just walk us
through why you and Clay. They can have both of us.
It'd be fun. Why you and Clay were right about
this for years to the point where it was almost
like the mockery felt hackneyed after a while. It's like

(28:36):
we've just done this joke day in and day out,
day in and day because we're left with no choice.
Why did you guys get it right? No, Instead, we're
still some we were right, they were wrong, but somehow
they still feel morally superior in the situation. This is
what you have to remember about Democrats. It doesn't matter
that they look like absolute well liars and buffoons. It's

(29:00):
they did this to stop the bad team. The bad
people were the bad people. Nothing else matters, which is,
by the way, their entire ethos when it comes to
dealing with Donald Trump. So is it surprising Clay that
they would do this given that they say, I, you know,
they have the on Laura Show last night just to
kind of laugh. There's these professors at Yale, as if

(29:22):
that's supposed to impress anybody, it should not impress anybody.
These professors at Yale who are leaving the country because
they're experts in fascism and they can't handle all the
fascism that's going on. So they're idiots and cowards because
they're just abatting their country instead of standing in No
surprise there right got to go find a tenured position
somewhere else. But at what point do they just realize

(29:43):
you guys are wrong. You're insane. Grow up and calm down.
By the way, we got another bit of breaking news.
That's another conspiracy theory I think that we've shared on
this show that now looks like it's true. Jim Jordan
is investigating, and it appears he has found smoking gun
evidence that Peiser hid the results of their COVID shot

(30:04):
to avoid it coming out before the twenty twenty election. So,
in addition to all the other rig jobs that were
going over, the Wall Street Journal just published Lawmakers investigating
whether Pfiser waited to share results, and Jim Jordan just
shared some tweets and emails that suggest that Pfizer's top

(30:24):
execs intentionally prevented that from occurring, which obviously given how
close that was, and Jim Jordan now is going to
come on the show with us tomorrow to be talking
about that buck. So conspiracy theorists are on a hell
of a run.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
You know.

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Speaker 1 (32:46):
We got a lot of you reacting. We're gonna get
to some of those eight hundred and two A two
two eight A two. Obviously as the phone line, we'll
try to take a couple of your calls. No guest today,
by the way, we did mention we're going to talk
to Jim Jordan tomorrow about explosive information that he has uncovered,
which suggests that the COVID shot, which we now know
is a limit and basically worthless, but that top executives

(33:09):
worked to keep news about what they thought was the
success of the COVID shot from going public before the
twenty twenty election, which Trump has said publicly he believed happened,
which may well have swung the election by itself because
the race came down to forty thousand votes in Wisconsin,

(33:31):
at Georgia and Arizona. So who knows. I mean, if
you had thought, hey, there's going to be a vaccine coming,
would people have been more likely to vote differently? I
don't think that's a crazy idea. Certainly we know if
Hunter Biden's business dealings, if Joe Biden's dementia, I mean,
the rig job in twenty twenty just continues to add
different layers. But there was a big Spring Court case

(33:53):
that I want to talk some about, Buck and you
mentioned off the top of the show that you listened
to a lot of it. I was not. I'll tell
you where. I wasn't a sec I was reading about it.
But I do want to play this because it ties
in with the first hour. Do you know what happened
one year ago today? Joe Biden publicly challenged Donald Trump
to an early debate. Do you remember this, Buck? This

(34:17):
is what it sounded like for those of you who
had forgotten. This was one year ago today.

Speaker 8 (34:22):
Listen, Donald Trump lost two debates to me in twenty
twenty since, and he hadn't shown up for debate. Now
he's acting like he wants to debate me again. Will
make my day, Pal, I'll even do it twice. So
let's pick the dace.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Donald.

Speaker 8 (34:34):
I hear you're free on Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So and that was because Trump was going to criminal
court on Wednesdays.

Speaker 7 (34:41):
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
With the preposterous efforts to destroy Trump's ability to run,
we may try today, pal, Buck, is that the most
disastrous political taunt in history? Given what happened one month later,
If if they had just listened to me, they would
have been in a much better spot because their best

(35:02):
option was Biden. But their best option was Biden with
no by the time he was making that taunt with
no debates, That's what they should have done. That was
the fatal flaw in all of this was they thought
they could pull one over with the debates one more time,
and given that Trump hadn't debated in the primary, the
Democrats could have very easily said, well we won't. You know,

(35:25):
people have seen enough of these two anyway. I know
it's at some level water under the bridge, but they
just misplayed this thing. They just screwed it up, the
same way they misplayed running against Trump across the board. Yeah,
they totally did. And I think, as you break all
of this down again, that was one year ago and
Biden completely blown up. And I still think and I

(35:49):
wonder if in the book they're going to kind of
give us an idea of what they intended with the
June twenty seventh, because I had forgotten that he said
he'd debate him twice. Remember they didn't even attempt this
second debate because the first one went so disastrously. But
it was Biden making that video and taunting Trump about
how much he wanted to debate that actually put this

(36:11):
on the calendar and bucks right. If they had listened
to him, they could have at least continued the vast
left wing conspiracy about his health until September or October
when they did a debate, and maybe then they could
have shot up Biden with enough stuff to make him
able to go out and debate. I tend to think

(36:33):
that it would have been even more of an implosion
if they had been able to keep him in and
not been able to make the change till September. But
he would have been able to run. They wouldn't have
been able to replace him like they did and switch
to Kamala at the last possible minute. But I did
want to get into this. You listened to a lot
of the discussion, like an hour of it. I was

(36:54):
pretty deep into it. Yeah, for those of you who
don't know, major discussed debate, major oral argument at the
Supreme Court today, and it was actually a little bit
complicated because there's kind of two different parts of what
they were arguing. And I'm going to try to lay
out why I think it's significant. And producer Ali I
sent you a cut of Clarence Thomas that I think

(37:17):
gets to the essence of this really really well. So
let me know when that cut is ready. But it
is ready, Okay, So Buck here is So for those
of you out there who were not following this, it
is a little bit complicated, and just the whole Trump
era has been steeped and complicated legal arcana as we

(37:37):
have been breaking it all down. But really this is
kind of a two parter that they were arguing today.
One is the big issue is, hey, is it possible
for Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship to be legal
and for him to have the power to say that

(37:58):
birthright citizenship has been missed applied effectively and citizen and
kids children, Babies born to illegal immigrants do not become
automatic American citizens right. People who are here in this
country illegally do not have the ability to come across
our border, have a baby, and then your baby automatically
becomes an American citizen. That's a big picture question. But

(38:20):
structurally this is impacting everything that Trump is trying to do.
The question is should a federal district court judge be
able to effectively enjoin a presidential action nationwide? They're around
six hundred and fifty ish of these federal district court judges, right,

(38:41):
and the only person who has that level of universal
constitutional authority based on just what he thinks or she
thinks it's always been to he is the president. So
there's a problem here. No one Supreme Court justice can
say this is the deal for everybody all across the country.

(39:03):
But one federal judge, a lower and even lower than
an appeals court judge, one one circuit court judge could say,
this is where we're getting into the universal, universal injunction issue.
And I think it's very interesting, Clay, because you know,
with the two sides arguing this morning, the side that
was arguing against on behalf of I guess the state

(39:26):
of New Jersey, which is saying our welfare programs will
be too burdened by not knowing if somebody is a
citizen or you know, if they've been given citizenship, whether
born in the state or outside the state. I mean
this It is a pretty complicated series of interlocking legal
issues here, but I can say this one of the
things that kept coming up was they said, yeah, okay, sure,

(39:48):
it's a problem for a federal judge to just be
able to do that unless it's like really important and
they're really sure. And that's more or less what the
anti Trump side of this kept saying to if the judges,
you know, the justices had to say, you guys do
this a lot, and I'm sure you always think that
the people that you like are doing this because it's
so extreme and so necessary. But it can't just be

(40:11):
on the whim of a lower circuit or a lower
circuit court judge. What the policy for the whole country is. Yeah,
and it actually goes to me And this is me
nerding out a little bit legally. It actually goes to
the essence of separation of powers because there are, in
theory three co equal branches of the United States government, right,
take you back to eighth grade history or whatever, the executive,

(40:34):
the congressional branch, and the judicial. The judicial branch relies
on the authority of the Supreme Court. That's why it's
called the Supreme Court. In order for something to happen,
five Supreme Court justices have to agree on it. Circuit
court's buck. In order for a circuit court ruling to
be in effect, at least two out of three Circuit

(40:56):
court judges have to agree on something. What is happening
with the Federal District Court is one judge is basically
executing on a level that Circuit Court judges who are
above them, and Supreme Court judges who are above those
Circuit Court those Circuit court judges do not have. In
other words, the single authority of a district court judge

(41:21):
is actually higher on the flow chart than two of
their superior court judges. And that might sound a little complicated,
but I'm trying to explain. And Clarence Thomas pointed out
that this has really only become an issue in the
modern day, and this is the cut I pulled because
I think he does a good job of distilling how
things have changed.

Speaker 7 (41:44):
General.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
When were the first universal injunctions used.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
We believe that the best reading of that is what
you said in Trump against Hawaii, which is that words
in nineteen sixty three was really the first universal in
jes function. There's a dispute about Perkins against Luken's Oil
going back to nineteen forty, and of course we point
to the court's opinion that reversed that universal injunction issued
by the d C Circuit and said it's profoundly wrong. Now,
if you look at the cases at the either party site,

(42:16):
you see a common theme the cases that we cite,
like National Treasury, Treasury's Employment Union, Perkins against Lukens Oil,
Frothingham and Massachusetts against Melon, going back to Scott against
Donald and all of those those are cases where the
court considered and addressed the sort of universal in that case,
statewide issue of provision of injunctive relief. When the court

(42:37):
is considered it address this is consistently said, you have
to limit the remedy to the plaintifs of appearing in
court and complaining of that remedy.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
So we survived until the nineteen sixties without universal injunctions.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
That's exactly correct, and in fact those are very limited,
very rare, even in the nineteen sixties. It really exploded
in two thousand and seven. In our curve petition in
Summers against Earth Island Institute, we pointed out that the
Ninth Circuit started doing this in a whole bunch of
cases involving environmental claims.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, now, again this is in the weeds, but I
thought that Clarence Thomas did a really good job. This
is only something that's happened recently in our two hundred
and fifty ish year history, and usually buck and again
this is going into UIs This also the Ninth the
Ninth Circuit is the most lunatic, left ranging, activist judicial
circuit in the country, so that's where they started doing this.
No surprise. Most Supreme Court cases come about because the

(43:30):
circuit Court's ruled different directions. That is, as Buck just mentioned,
the Ninth Circuit is like the West coast California prominent
where I live. I am in the sixth Circuit. That's Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan.
I think a couple of states like that. The Fifth
Circuit is traditionally seen as one of the most conservative.

(43:50):
That's Texas, Louisiana. I don't have this circuits in front
of me right now. Usually the Supreme Court is called
on to address circuit splits. That's where the ninth star
in the Fifth Circuit may have had a different interpretation
of the law. Those are the most fertile, the most
germane for the Supreme Court to step in on because
we need a nationwide decision and there are two different

(44:12):
circuit courts ruling differently. Here you have one random judge
and I don't know, Boston, Massachusetts, deciding what the law
should be for the whole nation, or it could be
one random judge in middle of nowhere, Texas. It is
a direct attack upon the entire legitimacy of the courts
to give a district court judge more power than his

(44:35):
superiors on the Circuit and Supreme Court, and they can
effectively order the entire federal government as though they run
the federal government. I mean, yes, think there will be appeals,
and yes they'll go to the Supreme Court, but for
a period of time they get to be the legal emperor,
if you will, of America. And this wasn't a problem

(44:58):
really until they made it a problem, and they dated
a problem by having these by these left wing judges.
We all know how this works.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
They don't feel bound by the constraints of language or
law or tradition or anything else. It's this is so
so important that we have to smash the things that
we used to rely on to keep us from doing this.
And that's really a large part, I think a lot
of the argument today. So, I mean, this is really
this wasn't even about the merits of whether a birthright

(45:28):
citizenship extends to those who are in the country illegally
or not, although it could if it went against the
administration terribly, the Supreme Court right could come down and say,
you know what, we think, even just taking a peek
at the merits, this is so bad that we're actually
gonna uphold this universal injunction until we hear the merits
on the case, and that would be a huge win

(45:49):
for the non Trump side. The other side of this,
I think clays right, they could issue guidance on the
scope of the injunction specifically in this case. That would
probably be the best thing you could get from the
Supreme Court on this. But to me, I just sit
here saying, Okay, eventually we're going to have to look
at whether you can steal citizenship or not, because if

(46:13):
citizenship can be given to people who have broken the
law to get it, you have debased and de and
I know it's been going on, and it has been
wrong the whole time. You have debased and devalued what
it means to be an American in a way that
I think, unfortunately is irreparable. I agree one hundred percent
with that. Here's the question for you, and we can
debate it or discuss and when we come back, because
I think it's one of the challenges the Court's going

(46:34):
to be grappling with. How do you address all of
the people who had citizenship for decades based on the
belief that birthright citizenship did convey American city. Well, the
EO makes this. The EO only affects those after the
EO goes into effect. I get that, but I think
there's going to be an equal protection argument on behalf

(46:56):
of everybody else. They're going to say this is an
arbitrary thing for president to be able to do under
his executive authority. I agree that it should happen. Ship
is inherently kind of arbitrary when you think about it.
The whole thing totally, totally is. I mean, look, I
think it's an interesting discussion because I think that's one
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As you know, President Trump's on a huge trip through
the Middle East. A lot going on there offered a
pathway to normalcy with Syria after a long and horrific
civil war in that country and US military operations there
against Goddess all that stuff. Now, perhap, perhaps no guarantees

(48:52):
there could be a better future for that country. He's
got deal making happening with the Saudi's, deal making happening
with the EU with Cutter and perhaps with Iran as well.
That remains to be seen. Those details remain to be seen.
But there's also Trump speaking to the troops in Cutters.

(49:15):
You know, we have a very large military base there,
and he decided that he was going to address them directly.
I wanted to let you hear from some of this.
We'll talk about how the military and recruitment and all
that is going under the Trump administration as well. But
this has cut eight. Trump sank some words to the troops.

Speaker 9 (49:34):
The real strength of our military doesn't come from it's
fighter jets. It really comes from our people. That's you,
comes from our people. Your unbelievable people, the aptitude and
all of the things you have to do to do
what you do. You know, I look at some of
those engines, and I'm a pretty smart cookie.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
I would tell you I'm really supplied.

Speaker 9 (49:54):
And I look at you, and you take those engines
apart and put them back together, blindfolded and fix them up.
What you're able to do and then to fly them
just incredible. You're incredible. You're a very special group of people.
And that's why in my twenty twenty six budget includes
across the board, maybe you don't want to look for
the good of the country, you don't have to take it,

(50:15):
pay raises for each and every one of you, substantial
pay raising.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Pay raise for the military clay. You know, recruitment already
up substantially under the Trump administration and Secretary of Defense
had heg sets Tenure. Turns out that the people that
you want fighting your wars or preparing rather the defense
of your nation in the event of war want actually
the business of the Pentagon to be war fighting and

(50:43):
the focus of it to be on war fighting and
not a big social justice experiment and a bureaucracy where
people just show up and it's not really clear what
anybody's doing, no doubt. And I think again Trump's tour
of the Middle East, it has a incredible impact already

(51:06):
in terms of what Iran is reportedly willing to do.
And also this comes on the heels buck. We got
more data from April in the economy and I'm looking
at this article from Axios Hard Data. This is the headline.
Hard data suggest tariff driven inflation and recession fears may

(51:26):
be overblown. You mentioned earlier the S and P five
hundred back near six thousand, now over fifty nine hundred,
and it says new data out Thursday showed steady retail
sales and a surprising drop in wholesale prices in April,
such that there is no evidence that the tariffs are

(51:53):
leading to massive increases in cost of goods. In fact,
the Producer Price indexed showed that prices actually fell in April,
and the cost of goods overall is flat in many ways.
And I mentioned buck the price of gas, which no

(52:13):
one is talking. Isn't it kind of crazy that all
of the headlines we saw about what eggs cost. And
I don't know what percentage of you buy eggs weekly,
maybe all I don't know, but I know most of
you buy gas weekly. And I know most of you.
When you gauge what things cost, you don't look necessarily

(52:36):
at one product. When you go to the grocery store,
you buy whatever your usual groceries are, and then the
price comes up and you're like, boy, that's been a
lot more than I expected. Gas is really easy. Remember
when people started putting that I did that picture of
Joe Biden next to the gas gauges, little stickers you
would see all over the place. I saw them all

(52:58):
over my neighborhood. Those prices are down fifty percent since
Joe Biden was in office. They're approaching the lowes that
were set when Trump was in office. I mean, you
just played that clip from the Middle East. Well, you
know what happens when you have good relations with people
in the Middle East, They put more oil and gas
they actually want instead of they have a cartel they

(53:22):
can control, basically to a large extent, what the price
of gas is. Opek opex pretty powerful, and right now
they're like, hey, we're well, you know, we have a
good relationship with the United States. We're fine with producing
a lot of oil and gas. It also is cutting
the economic engine out of Russia when prices for oil

(53:46):
and gas in Iran, which they sell on the black
market to a large extent, when overall prices are low,
the fact that you can get cheaper oil and gas
from Russia and Iran because they're having to sell them
on the black market, it means that the money that
is pouring into those countries is declining. It should be
a massive story. What price we're getting for gallons of gas?

(54:09):
Right now? Almost no one's writing or talking about it.
And if you really are concerned about the war in Ukraine,
do you know one of the best things we could
do to cut economic engine in the economic power of
rush away? Lower gas prices. Do you know the best
thing we could do to delegitimize the powers of the

(54:30):
Ayatola in Iran? Lower gas prices. It's a huge friggin story.
Google it. Hardly anybody's talking about it. But the price
of eggs, Oh my goodness, we got to know every
We gotta know how much your scrambled eggs cost. It's
really goes to what stories are focused on. And I'm
telling you yesterday, when I saw two sixty five gallon

(54:52):
of gas in South Nashville, I bought over the weekend.
I think it was two eighty seven. Prices keep coming down, Buck,
This is where most people, normal people judge the economy
based on what they have to pay to fill their
gas tank up. That's just the reality. There's something else
that I think Trump instinctively knows and has known his

(55:13):
whole life and has lived his whole life, which is
that the American economy is the single greatest wealth generation
machine ever devised in the history of existence. Okay, nothing
has ever been anywhere near what America has been for

(55:35):
let's say, certainly the last one hundred and you know
something years. Okay, America has been an incredible wealth generation machine.
If it is allowed to continue to do what it does,
it will also continue to make all of us wealthier.
And I mean that, every single one of us as
a people. It means, you know, this is when you

(55:56):
start to look at what was the access to If
you look at somebody in the nineteen fifties who was
really rich, and look at somebody today, Okay, I mean
your access to much better healthcare, much better food, much
better entertainment, much more comfortable everything. I mean, we are
all wealthier. Actually, this is what people get very much into.
And Naval Ravakan who's a thinker that I sometimes cite

(56:18):
on the show, does a very good job of explaining this.
We get into status a lot of the time. Wealth
and status are not the same thing. Right. You can
talk about everybody getting wealthier in a country, and there
may be people who still say no, no, no, And
it's because they don't think that they have more than
the people they want to have more then, but that's
not the same thing I think Trump understands. So that's

(56:41):
the status versus wealth paradigm. We all have actually gotten
wealthier as a nation. I'm talking about now over one
hundred year. Yeah, recently there's been some or you know,
there have been years. You look at two thousand and eight,
things have turned a bit. But as long as we
don't mess up this amazing thing called the American economy
too badly, it's going to continue to do what it does,

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which is create a wealthier and a more prosperous America
all the time. Democrats are always so focused play on
hyper regulating it and dividing the spoils within it and
finding ways to carve up the pie. They don't even
stop to think, this pie is getting bigger every year. Yes,

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let's how do we make this How do we keep
this pie growing and getting bigger all the time with
again the Democrat mindset, because it's about equality. In their minds,
it's about status and if I don't if I feel
like there are too many people who have This is
why Bernie Sanders goes around. Billionaires have no impact on
ninety nine point nine percent of Americans day to day lives. Okay,

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it doesn't matter that there are a thousand billionaires or
something like that in this country, but it's a fun
way to divert people from Hey, what are you actually
paying in taxes in your state? How good is your
healthcare that you're being forced to because of regulations? What's
actually happening with inflation chipping away at your savings? Like
those are real things that affect you. Your analogy on

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the pie is actually the way that I see the country.
I didn't like living on the East Coast because it
felt to me like everybody was like, there's only twelve slices.
We're gonna have to fight you to see who can
get the most slices. Like the East Coast, I would argue,
of all the parts of the United States, is the
most focused and status conscious. You getting something means somebody

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else will loses something. Best case scenario West Coast used
to be before they destroyed it. Hey, let's build a
brand new pie that's way bigger, right, like the brand
new technology. It's not old school. Europe is the worst
you with your pie analogy South is like, hey, do
you want to share you know, it's like people are
just really friendly. They're not necessarily as as status obsessed.

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But what you hit on is so important because because
we all live this is a great stat and I
think it's still true. The poorest twenty percent of Americans
would be the richest people in almost every country in
the world. And one of my favorite stats. I think
you may have shared it for the first time. England
is poorer than Mississippi. Yep, per capita. Yeah, and that's

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a holy crab moment if you've been to London. I'm
not saying there's not a lot of rich people, but
for a long time people dump on Mississippi. It's great state,
by the way, a lot of great people, but they
would say, oh, it's and I think it's still Mississippi
as the poorest average per capita in the United States.
It's richer than Great Britain. And that speaks to the
wealth overall of the United States, that even our poorest

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state is wealthier than a huge European country on average. Yes, well,
this is also why you know we have and this
is maybe transitions a little bit of the RFK discussion.
We have become a society where the challenge binges of
and the diseases of abundance are far more of a

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problem than diseases of scarcity. Whether it's eating way too
much and obesity and the health challenges from that, that's
obviously an overabundance issue. I mean it is. You know,
we're talking about the grocery store thing yesterday, and maybe
this just makes me sound like I don't know how
many of her watched Perfect Strangers, but I sound like
Balkie Bartakamus, who is the h I think it's supposed

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to be like a Greek immigrant or something, and he'says like, oh,
what the you know, amazing country. But I walk into
the grocery stores around here, Clay, It's just like a
vast reservoir of food. It's unbelievable how much produce and
food Americans have access to. And we don't even think twice.
And I've been you know, you've been in places too.
I mean, you go to the Caribbean. Caribbean's poor. A

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lot of parts in the Caribbean are poor. I live there.
There are some Yeah, that's what I mean. But I'm saying,
you know it's truly poor, right, I mean, you know,
Haiti's one of the poorest countries on the planet. You
go around here, you just take all of this stuff,
all this stuff for granted a lot of the time.
And I just think that with Trump, what you have
is somebody whose focus is letting the greatest wealth generation

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machine in human history, which there is no argument that
America is that thing, letting it just do its thing
like ride this, ride this show horse all the way
to the finish line. With Democrats, they sit around and
they have committees about like, well, what about the other horses,
Like how are they going to feel? Like what about
the you know, No, let's let the American economy and

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it's a little bit of a Calvin coolidest thing. Let
the business of the American people be business. And I
just think that you're seeing the early stages of that.
And it doesn't have we don't have to have the
sclerotic bureaucracy that is choking off so much wealth generation creativity.
And and when you start to think about this country

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versus other countries, I mean you just look at GDP
per capita wealth Clay. You know, China we think of
as our nearest editor. I think Chinese GDP per capit
is like a third of ours. I'm going off top
of my head here, but I mean it's a fraction
of what. But not only that, what they find is
it's very hard to take the proverbial next step to
actually challenge us, because this goes back to historically Japan

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was going to pass us if you looked at all
the projections China's peaked. I think China's already begun to decline.
And that's what can make them a little bit scary
right now because sometimes, as we know historically, it's not
when you peak that your power is at most. It's
when you start to lose power that sometimes you overreach,
which could happen with Taiwan. Things like I just think
everyone should always be very cautious about listening to the

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catastrophists and the the high priests of resentment because that again,
that gets you back into that status. This is what
Marxists do. This is how communism gets going. You know.
It's as long as they they they're making the right
people miserable, they can make you miserable too. It's kind
of the way that you know, overregulated, over controlled the

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economy's function. And Trump takes the approach of how do
we do what is going to be best for the
most every you know, one hundred times out of one hundred.
The way to do this is to try to actually
grow the American economy and we will all get richer.
And there are a lot of ways we can even

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look at this ourselves. But I just think that the
catastrophism stuff is it's so yeah, we have to watch
the debt. That's when we can't. We can't just let
this machine get destroyed. But it actually works. That's my
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