Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 19 2025

Fmr. President Biden's Cancer Diagnosis A deep analysis of former President Joe Biden’s recently disclosed prostate cancer diagnosis, questioning the timing and transparency of the announcement. They explore the broader implications of this health revelation, especially in light of previous concerns about Biden’s cognitive decline and the alleged cover-up surrounding his dementia. The discussion is framed around the idea that the administration may have strategically withheld this information to maintain political power and avoid invoking the 25th Amendment. Clay and Buck scrutinize the release of audio from Special Counsel Robert Hur’s 2023 interview with Biden, describing it as damning evidence of the president’s mental unfitness. They argue that the administration knowingly concealed Biden’s deteriorating health while he continued to sign legislation and manage critical national security responsibilities, including access to nuclear codes. The hosts also preview an upcoming appearance by Dr. Nicole Saphier, a medical expert joining the Clay and Buck Podcast Network, who will provide professional insight into the likelihood of Biden’s cancer going undetected despite access to world-class medical care. They cite multiple doctors, including Dr. Zeke Emanuel and Dr. Vin Gupta, who suggest that Biden likely had cancer for years, possibly even before his presidency began. WI Sen. Ron Johnson Blasts the Spending Bill a deep dive into the fiscal crisis facing the United States, featuring an in-depth interview with Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. The hour centers on the controversial “Big Beautiful Bill” currently under debate in Congress, which Johnson argues is a misnomer masking a failure to reduce federal spending and national debt. He criticizes the bill for embedding Biden-era budget increases, including COVID-era spending and Medicaid expansion, into the long-term federal budget—moves he says will balloon the national debt from $37 trillion to over $60 trillion in the next decade. Senator Johnson outlines the historical context of federal spending, comparing the current trajectory to post-World War II fiscal policy, and calls for a return to responsible budgeting. He advocates for a line-by-line budget review process to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse, and warns of the dangers of unchecked mandatory spending and the erosion of discretionary budget oversight. Johnson also highlights the risk of the U.S. dollar losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, citing rising interest payments on the debt and recent credit downgrades as red flags. Jay Feely, running for Congress in Arizona’s 5th congressional district to replace Andy Biggs, who is running for governor The hour also features a compelling conversation with former NFL kicker and CBS analyst Jay Feely, who is now running for Congress in Arizona’s 5th District to replace Andy Biggs, who is running for governor. Feely discusses his support for President Trump, his stance on conservative values, and his opposition to transgender athletes competing in women’s sports. He shares personal stories from his NFL career, including being spoofed on Saturday Night Live and making a game-winning kick under pressure, drawing parallels between sports discipline and political leadership. Dr. Nicole Saphier on Biden's Cancer Diagnosis

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Monday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now, and it's going to be a doozy,
I can assure you.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Quite a weekend of news and so much to dive
into with all of you today. Oh boy, just to
get right to it. The diagnosis of Biden's cancer came
out yesterday. We shall discuss this. There's obviously a lot
that a lot of questions that this raises.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes, of course, cancer is terrible. We wish everyone the.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Best in their fight against that horrible disease, including of
course Joe Biden, a former president of this country. But
a lot of people have questions about whether the dementia
diagnosis that was hidden was also part of a broader
plan to hide a cancer diagnosis along with it. And

(01:02):
we will bring to you the evidence on this, the
case such as it exists. And we've got doctor Nicole
Sapphire newly added. Thankfully, we got a doctor in the house,
Clay newly added to the Clay and Buck podcast network,
so she shall be with us in the third hour
to talk specifically about the probability, the likelihood, the reality

(01:22):
of whether someone who probably who most likely had the
best medical care on the planet could have gone until
this moment without anyone noticing anything might have been amiss
with respect to it's with the possibility of prostate cancer.
So we're gonna We're gonna dive into all of this.

(01:42):
It's it's a massive story because of the implications. And
you can tell that the media I don't think has
really processed yet that their old approach of how dare.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You or you're not allowed to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
You don't get to do that with a cancer diagnosis
when you just told us that you did it with
a dementia diagnosis. So that's not going to work. And
we are going to discuss this again. Cancer is terrible.
We want everyone to be cancer, including Joe Biden. We're
not talking about that other than wishing them well and
thoughts and prayers. We're talking about when was this known

(02:18):
by the government, Because the health of the president is
actually a matter of public concern, it is something all
of us get to know about, and we will discuss this.
They also released audio of Robert Hur's twenty twenty three
interview with Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
It is I think worse.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Than any of you could have imagined at the time,
or that any of us could have thought maybe as bad,
and we have some of that to share with you.
This was absolutely a cover up. They absolutely knew that
he was not of sound mind to do the job.
This is somebody that they had signing laws, signing pardons
and carrying around or rather having the nuclear codes carried

(02:56):
around for him. It is a very big deal, and
we've got that. We've also got the big, beautiful bill
to discuss today. Senator Ron Johnson Clay, you will not
be surprised, but will be pleased to know that he
was listening Friday right after you ducked out, and I
was like, when can we talk to the bill, And
I'm like, Senator, you're the senator working on it. Let's

(03:17):
talk the bill. So he'll be with us, because that's
also a very big deal. And he had a Trump
putin phone call this morning, so I mean, so much news.
So we're really excited to spend this time with you
and break it all down and make it all makes sense. Also,
that Supreme Court ruling Friday Clay seven to two to
enjoin the government from some summarily deporting alleged gang members

(03:38):
on the Alien Enemies Act. We can discuss that, but
usually that might be a first hour top of show
kind of thing. Today, let's do it right now with
the Biden thing. I can tell from Twitter already you
and I separately came to the same conclusion here, which
is that the likelihood that this cancer dogmember everyone I

(03:59):
have family member who have dealt with prostate cancer recently,
huge percentage of American men get to a certain age
and they will deal with prostate cancer. So this is
not some cancer that people aren't familiar with. Here's what
everyone knows about it. It is almost always.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Very very slow, which is a good thing.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
The notion that Biden just found out about this is
very hard for people to accept or swallow.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'll just put it that way. Some of you, I know,
completely reject it.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Beyond that, though, Clay, it seems to me and this
is where I think you and I see this in
the same way, based on our separate tweets, that the
plan was push dementia Joe across the finish line and
then you kind of wipe away the dementia cover up
in the new administration and the new term by announcing
that he has cancer and letting him step down over

(04:48):
a reel. I'm not by any means suggesting it's not real,
a real health issue, and that was the plan to
make Kamala president of the United States. I don't see
another way to view this.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, I think that's the larger context. Obviously that fell
apart on June twenty seventh with the disastrous debate performance.
But let's just go to the cancer itself, and I
echo that everybody hates cancer, all right, don't allow yourself
to be in some way. David Axelrod put out a

(05:19):
tweet which are as quote, which I think was emblematic
of this. Well, we can't talk about medical relations with Biden,
or his dementia or his inability to be president because
he got cancer and we all need to feel sorry
and sympathy for him. Look, everybody hates cancer. Everybody wishes
that cancer could be eradicated. Everybody wishes that every single

(05:42):
person who got cancer could beat it.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So let's put that.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Off to we are solidly anti cancer across the board
on this show.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
No one hates cancer more than this show. So let's
leave that on the side. Let's get away with the
stupid sort of platitudes, all right. I don't believe that
they found out on Friday that Joe Biden has stage
nine cancer here prostate cancer, and that it has gone
to the bone, and there is I have seen at

(06:11):
least two different doctors on two different television networks, one
of whom was on MSNBC, the other was on NewsNation.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm sure there have been many others.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I'm not claiming that I've seen every doctor analysis so far.
We will have our own doctor, Nicole Safire on the
program with us to discuss with all of you. During
the course of this program. The Robert her tapes come
out on Friday. They are devastating for Biden. We will
play them for you that previously the White House. You
knew they were bad because the White House had insisted

(06:43):
on only releasing the transcripts, not the actual audio. Second
part of this tomorrow. Whatever you think of the Jake
Tapper Alex Thompson book, it is going to be devastating
for Biden and those who covered up for him. That
book comes out, so forty eight hours after her audio

(07:04):
comes out, and forty eight hours before the blockbuster release
of a book that MSNBC and CNN are not going
to be able to avoid talking about because it leads
to the biggest cover up related to health that any
of us have seen in most of our lifetimes, unless
you were alive when FDR was elected in forty four. Otherwise,

(07:27):
this is the biggest health related condition that we have
been lied to about.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Can I throw something of the knicks there? This is
worse clay because it would be very easy for people
to not know about hiding the condition was obvious because
he wasn't appearing on TV all the time and ever right,
So this cover up, I would just argue, is far
worse because it was across the board and everybody knew.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So I don't buy it. And I put up a
poll question. I said for anybody out there, you can
go vote. It's up at the top of my Twitter poll.
If you disagree with me, you can go vote in this.
Ninety eight percent of you do not believe that Joe
Biden got this cancer diagnosis on Friday, according to my
poll with twenty thousand people voting so far, I think
overwhelming majorities of Republicans, Democrats, and independents now do not

(08:13):
trust the Biden regime to be honest with us. And
the idea, frankly, that they found out on Friday is
to me unbelievable. Okay, And the data out there, and
we'll play some of these audio cuts from doctors for you,
is that in general, a significant prostate cancer evolution like
this typically takes five to ten years. I think it's

(08:37):
more likely Biden ran for president knowing he had this
cancer than it is that he found out on Friday.
And I think, possibly Buck, this could go all the
way back to one of the reasons why Barack Obama
decided to pick Hillary Clinton is they knew Biden wasn't
of a sound mind. Maybe also they were aware that

(08:58):
he was not of a sound body, going back even
that far, but again, we'll play the doctors for you
saying it is improbable, it is almost impossible for this
level of cancer to have developed and for them not
to know. Remember, arguably the president has the best medical

(09:18):
care of anyone in America. I mean, there is an
entire team of people. There's a team of doctors in
the White verse. Okay, they have an eternal, single minute
of every day. Yeah, they have an internal medical team
that's right there. If Joe Biden gets a sneeze, he
can say, hey, you know, run some tests on me.
The notion that this wouldn't have been known until now.
I mean, so they're asking you to accept, let's just

(09:41):
do this by the numbers for a second, Clay, They're
asking you to accept that this is a maybe a
one in one hundred cancer case for prostate cancer to
move this fast undetected of this kind right. One in
one hundred, by the way, might be far too generous.
It might be way lower than that, but it's a tiny,
tiny percent. And they're asking.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Us all to believe that this came out right at
the single most advantageous time for them to try to
sorry the blow of the massive line the cover up,
the most advantageous time possible, The friday before the book
release is there, and they're expecting us to forget that
they just did a whole cover up of dementia, which

(10:23):
is also an extremely serious medical condition, and they knew,
and they lied, and they all went along with this.
So you know, for me, once, as Bush said, can't
get fooled again. And I think a lot of people
feel that way. Let's play cut five because This is
not just us saying it. This is this morning on
Your Boy Joe Scarborough Show. This is doctor Zeke Emmanuel.

(10:44):
This is Ari Emmanuel's brother, one of the top doctors
in this realm in the country died in the wool
Democrat Ram Emmanuel's brother. Also Ari Emmanuel's brother, one of
the trio of highly successful Emmanuel br He said he
thinks Biden had cancer while he was president. He didn't

(11:04):
develop it in the last one hundred or two hundred days.
This has cut five.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
Would it be fair to say it's likely to have
had this for at least several years?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh more than several years. You don't get prostitutions.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Again, I just want to stop you, so yours, this
is this is not speculation. If you have prostate cancer
that has spread to the bone, then he's most certainly
you were saying, had it when he was president of
the United States.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Oh yeah, he did not develop it in the last
one hundred two hundred days.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
He had it while he was president.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
He probably had it at the start of his presidency in.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Twenty twenty one.

Speaker 6 (11:47):
Yes, that I don't think there's any disagreement about that.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Now, Buck.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
This also raises all sorts of questions and we're going
to continue to discuss this as adults should discuss it.
I mean, was it possible that Joe Biden was getting
chemo treatments? Was there behind the scenes total hidden nature
of this, I think almost assuredly yes.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I we can ask doctor Sapphire about this. Again, good
timing to add a doctor into our Clay and Buck network,
and we will ask her about this. But Clay, I
know from my own family dealing with this, with this
form of cancer, that there's it's so slow moving that
there's some degree of uh they call it active surveillance,

(12:33):
so they'll know that you have the cancer, but they
may choose to not do anything because it can move
so slowly that some that some people basically pass of
other unrelated causes. That So just to give a sense
of this, right, usually you have cancer or and a
lot of different kinds of you know, my wife Carrie
had had cancer, had to had to treat it right away.

(12:55):
Cancer is something you have to go at right away.
This is a I don't know what other cancers would
fall into this category. This is a very rare type
of cancer where you can find out and it's Okay,
let's sort of see where we are. Maybe they chose
to do that here as a means of keeping it quiet,
as a means of not running additional tests. They just

(13:16):
did the quote active surveillance mode on this to see
where it goes. But if that's the case, by the way,
you think it's malpractice, because now the guy's got it
to his bones and that means it's probably fatal.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And when we come back, we've got another doctor, this
time on CNN saying that when you look at this
is I don't want to play it right now becase
we've got to go to break. But Vin Gupta says
Bush and Obama and Trump all had the prostate test
reported as a part of their physicals.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
He can't find it ever reported.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
As a part of Joe Biden's, which would suggest again,
this was a cover up.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I believe this was a straight up cover up, and
not that we believe it was a cover up.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
I believe that this was the Yeah, the plan was
because think about it, nobody's going to talk about his
dementia if he steps down in the first one hundred
days of his second term because of legitimately having cancer.
But no one's going to be good. I'm sorry, bone cancer,
not even just to your point, like the very beginning.
Yeah yeah, I mean, well yeah, the prostate cancer having

(14:20):
metastasized to that point. So it was a perfect plan
if they could have pulled off the election.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And I think this is what this is.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I think they thought they could get through that
debate with you know, injecting him with the stuff, and
it would have been okay, and they were going to
hide the whole. This is the biggest political cover up
in the history of this country. It makes Watergate look
like ladies who lunch chatting things up somewhere. It is
an absolute nothing burger compared to this, my friends, this
is massive. It is sustained, It is systemic, It is

(14:52):
across the board. It involves the president and involves the media,
involves the entire Democrat apparatus.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
And we're going to continue talking about it.

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Speaker 3 (16:20):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton show. So many
different moving stories over the weekend that we are chasing
here with all of you on Monday. With the Biden
health situation is such a huge story. We talked about
it the whole first hour at two. So an hour
from now we're going to have part of the Clay

(16:41):
and Buck podcast network also Fox News contributor doctor Nicole
Sapphire to analyze this from a doctor perspective, what she
thinks of Biden's health. We bring in now. I was
texting with him on Friday. He was listening to Buck
as I was trying to get to the airport. Senator
Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, in addition to everything else going on,

(17:03):
the biggest thing on Capitol Hill right now is the
so called Big Beautiful Bill, which is trying to be
passed at some point between now and Memorial Day. Is
understanding you were hearing the discussion about the budget. You've
been really outspoken and I think frankly right. Senator Johnson

(17:25):
with us now from Wisconsin about the fact that we
basically are embedding the Biden budget in this new one,
and the COVID spending, instead of being ratcheted back down,
is now a part of the American budget going forward.
But I want you to lay that out because I
think it's a very cojin argument and it's one that
this audience needs to hear well.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
First of all, thanks for having me on. As I
said my Wall Street Journal column. Too often the reality
of these budget debates get obscured in minor details, politically
charge issues, in demagoguy.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
What's going on right now? Listen.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
I'm a big support of President Trump. I could not
be happy with how boldly, decisively, swiftly he's acting to
honor the promises made. But the problem is to be
honest to the big beautiful bill. It's just mislabeled. I
would think the number one goal of any of this
Republican budget reconciliation would be to.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
Not increase the depth. That'd be the first goal.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
You know, we should start bending the spending curve down,
we should start reducing the projected depth. But that's not
what's happening. So again we lose sight of the big picture,
you know, lose sight of the forest for really arguing
over twigs and leaves, and so let me let me
just kind of lay out the reality. First of all,
you have to understand how the increase in spending from

(18:50):
twenty nineteen to this year is unprecedented except under World
War Two, which by the way, we return to a
pre war level spending by nineteen four it actually below
where we were from the start of the war. So
it's possible if you have responsible leadership, but again, unprecedented level.
From four point four trillion or a better way to
put that four four hundred billion dollars over seven thousand

(19:13):
billion dollars, that's a fifty eighth cent increase in the
last six years, completely unprecedented. I always use the analogy
of a family, no family if they had an illness
and they had to borrow fifty thousand dollars to pay
up those medical bills. If that family, remember, got well,
they wouldn't keep borrowing that money and spending that level.
But that's exactly what we've done. So we had a

(19:35):
once in a lifetime opportunity to address this unprecedented level
of increases spending, and we're not doing it. We're doing
the same thing and as you said too, we're literally
codifying what we all ran and said we're going to
repeal and replace Obamacare. We're not talking.

Speaker 7 (19:52):
About medicaid here.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Nobody wants to reduce benefits for the disabled and the
people that Medicaid was designed for. What we're addressing is
how Obamacare, the Medicaid expansion for a single a you know, working,
age able body, tildless adults, they get paid ninety cents
on the dollar by the federal government, which is causing

(20:14):
all kinds of abuse as a state level, basically state
stealing from the federal government, not checking eligibility, allowing illegal
I'm going to get medicaid, putting it risk the medicaid
for those children. So, you know, the whole salt debate,
the Green New Scan, none of these things are being addressed, honestly,
And if you really look at it, look at the numbers,

(20:34):
and I look at the numbers, we will actually increase
the death that over the next ten years, going from
right now thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, CBO says
will be at fifty nine. My guests would probably increase
that by about four trillion dollars with a big new
deal or the big beautiful bill that neplis at sixty
two to sixty three trillion dollars. Again, you have to

(20:56):
be honest. And by the way, I know I know
Buck at the end of the show, or I think
I asked me this last time out, what are you
going to cut? It's impossible to say. You know, Medicaid
absolutely have to go after that. But what you need
is a process. And then what we've never had a
process to control spending in the federal government. We don't
have a budget. Bull's budget requirement. I didn't realize it's

(21:18):
the appropriation committees were actually established because the authorizing committees
were big spenders. Well, that didn't work. The Budget Act
didn't work, Simpson Bulls didn't work. The Budget Control Act
didn't work. So what I've been proposing is what those
who are showing us how to do.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
You have to do the work.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
You have to go line by line, contract by contract,
through over a couple of thousand lines of the federal budget,
the entire budget. And I have to believe on having
gone from four four hundred billion to seven thousand billion dollars,
that you will find hundreds of billions of dollars of
spending that if you eliminate it, nobody would even notice,

(21:54):
other than the grifters who are sucking at the public troughs.
They're sucking down that waist for ourn abuse. You got
to go through that process. You have to do the
work passing a big, beautiful bill. By the end of
this week, we haven't gone.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Through the work.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
We're doing the same old thing. Exempt almost every program.
Look at a few things. That's not painful enough. Nobody
even notice that. Let's have all the savings toward the
tail end of the of the budget period. Clapperhand and said,
we did a good job. No, this is completely an
inadequate understanding. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity
to get it right.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Let's take the time. By the way, the way you
do it is split it up. This s way.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
John Thune, the Senate, I always wanted to at this point.
I think whatever House sends us, we need to skin
it up. Provide the border funding, the defence funding, take
a lot of their the spending reductions. You know, use
what the House did at least eight hundred and fifty
that was a set of resolution. Extend the current tax law,
take an automatic tax increase off the table, give President

(22:52):
Trump a debt ceiling relief, but not five trillion dollars.
Let's let's keep a little pressure on so we can
come back and do it another iteration of this. Now
we used the twenty twenty five budget, but probably also
the FISCO twenty twenty six for further reconciliations. You've got
to do this in multiple steps. You can't do it
one big step, because if we do that, we won't

(23:13):
come back and we will blow in our once in
a lifetime opportunity.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, Senator Johnson, appreciate you being with us as always.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And uh, I guess just there's a frustration that I
think I have, and I'm sure I'm not alone here,
which is that you are telling us all of this
and everything that you are saying makes sense and certainly
is along with what we have been told needs to
happen numerically mathematically like this is. And that's I think

(23:39):
at the heart of doge and at the heart of
a big part of what was promised with this new
administration would be we're gonna we're gonna tackle this and
do what is necessary based on the numbers, so that
we don't head off of a of a fiscal cliff.
And yet you know, the White House I was watching
this morning the press conference. What House seems to love

(24:01):
the bill, thinks it's a huge step forward and it's fantastic. So,
I mean, I have to ask the where's the disconnect here?
And how is it that? Is it possible? You're telling
us the work's not being done, the cuts aren't being made,
and there's far too much of a debt increase here. Meanwhile,
the White House and certainly a lot of other Republicans
are saying, this is amazing, this is moving us forward.

(24:21):
Like where is the uh, you know, just where is
that disconnect? Explain to me how that's possible.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Well, it's the industry rhetoric and reality. So the reality
is that the House says, oh, we're gonna cut one
point five tillion. Sounds like a lot, but that's one
hundred and fifty billion. That take us from over seven
trillion to just under seven trillion dollars. Okay, I don't
I know that the people that voted for Trump wanted
to defeat the deep state, defeat the deep state by

(24:50):
funding it at Biden's levels. So again, the numbers just
don't add up, according to CBO, will add twenty two
trillion dollars to the dead the next ten years. That's
two point two trillion dollars per year of death to spending.
And we're going to add to that with a big, new,
beautiful bill. So again that is the reality. The other
stuff is all rhetoric. Washington runs on rhetoric. That's why

(25:14):
we're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt. And this is
the way it's always done. You know, package everything into
some really big bill, so that you force people who
don't want to automatic tax increase, who don't want to
see it default on the debt, to vote for something
that is completely inadequate. And that's how you force it through.
So you break it up. You do it in the

(25:35):
things that we at first agree on the border defense,
Take as many spending reductions as the House has already identified,
bank that, you know, extend the current tax law, give
give Preston Trump a smaller increase in death ceiling. Then
you can come back. There's there's plenty of reasons to
come back. You know President Trump's tax priorities. We're going

(25:57):
to have to come back because the death ceiling hasn't been.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Raised for years.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
By the way, just just extend the deat ceiling into
the beginning of next year will probably require something like
two and a half to three trillion dollars. Bet out
a shock, everybody. We have to stop whistling by the graveyard.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Here.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
We're talking to Senator Ron Johnson and Wisconsin. You're a
business guy, and unfortunately there are not that many business
guys and in in Congress in general, certainly almost none
on the on the Democrat side. What do you expect
to see? We're at thirty seven thirty eight trillion dollar
national debt right now. If as these numbers continue to go,

(26:40):
we're talking about seventy five one hundred trillion dollars in
the next generation. I don't think those are crazy numbers.
The debt becomes a higher and higher part. Paying interest
on the debt becomes a higher and higher part, to
say nothing of Social Security, medicare all of those things.
At what point does this air of you can always

(27:01):
keep borrowing?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Do we run into a wall? Are we already there?
And is that one of the lessons the bond market
is giving us. This is getting in the weeds a
little bit, But you know, where it really hits people
is you can't get a low rate on your mortgage,
your insurance rates, your interest rates on cars, and on
your credit cards. I mean, it's just not coming back

(27:25):
down like maybe we thought it would.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Well, the fact that dollary held in twenty nineteen is
only worth eighty cents, Yeah, that's really an indication of
you know, not quite as noticeable of a debt crisis.
But I mean the real danger is when the US
dallas no longer the world's reserve currency, and you know,
the brick countries are trying to replace the dollar as
the reserve currency. More and more global trade is being

(27:50):
done in those currencies. And why is that important Is
if we're not the world's reserve currency, if we just
can't keep pretty money, we're else in saidden going to
be subject to global debt markets. And again, it's not
a good sign that Moody's now's the third creating credit
agency that's downgraded our credit rating. That that's not a
good sign that that ought to weight people up. But

(28:11):
when that happens, all of a sudden, credits are out.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Of the world.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Go yeah, I want some more money, but not at
that interest rate. We've already got interest now exceeding a
trillion dollars a year, but more than we spent out
of defense over the next ten years, about fourteen trillion
dollars just interest on the debt of the eighty nine
trillion dollars I'm going to spend. Fourteen trillion is just
on interest. It buys nothing. It's just paying off irresponsible

(28:37):
government basically.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
You know, I know you you senate types don't like
to name names among your colleagues, especially on your own side.
But Senator Johnson, I, just as you're telling us that
you're laying this out, are the Senate Republicans who don't care,
it seems, about what you're laying out, unaware of it,
or do they just like to make sure all the
piggies stay at the and it's not their problem.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
So three years ago, when we were debating onto the
spending bill, I asked my Senate college, Hey, anybody know
how much we spent in total last year?

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Nobody answered.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
I went out to the Washington Press Corps asked them
the same questions. Somebody, well, it's over a trillion dollars
and that's just discretionary spend. That's only twenty five per
cent of our budget. Nobody knew because we never talk
about it. Okay, we're the largest financial entity in the world.
We're supposedly the five hundred and thirty five members of
the Board of directors, and nobody knew in total how

(29:34):
much we spend. Again, we never discussed it. We only
appropriate the twenty five.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
Cent of the budget.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Everything else is on automatic pilot. And by the way,
that's one of the devioust things that the Unit Party
has done. They've shifted what should be discretionary spending into
other mandatory.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
When I talked about and this is something.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Else I had to reveal, and I'm providing all this
information my colleagues. Now, we went from six hundred and
forty two billion dollars of other mandatory, not social security,
not medicaid, not even medicaid, from about six forty two
in twenty nineteen up to about one point three trillion.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
Dollars two years ago.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
It's still over trillion dollars now, just in that alone,
you take a look at how much we increase spending
above and beyond twenty nineteen plus up for inflation and
population growth.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
That be a reasonable control.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Right, there's literally hundreds of billions of dollars that we've
increased spending beyond that control. So that's why I have
to go line by line. That's how you do it.
In business, you have a budget review panel. That's why
I propose centers, House members, members of MB bring up
these department heads with.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
Their budget gurus. Go line by line, justify this.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Why is this spending line so much more about twenty
nineteen level inflation and population goes? Yet you have to
do the work dose you're shown us and by the way,
the point being made that has to be made, it's great.
I mean I love what dose is done. It's identified,
its exposed it. It's also exposed how clue and oblivious

(31:01):
Hamas is to the ways Ford abuse. But how do
we bank those? How do we codify it? We haven't
gotten the recision package.

Speaker 7 (31:10):
This mystery.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Yet they've talked about a nine billion one. Apparently that's
already been tanked because we haven't got it. I mean,
you have to at some point in time codify what
DOGE is identifying in their website got turned into law
if you got to end the spending and we're not
doing it.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Senator Ron Johnson, we appreciate you. You always have an
open forum here with our audience. They love you, We
appreciate the work you're doing. Thank you for filling us in.

Speaker 7 (31:36):
Thanks for the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Take care for sure.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
I love sener Ron Johnson because that whole discussion Buck,
I even started to smile laugh a little bit to myself.
I'm just picturing Ron Johnson being like, this is what
it would be like if you were his kid and
you came home and the credit card bill was not
in any way defensible. Right, kid goes off to college

(32:00):
and dad looks at the credit card bill is just
going line by line, just utterly disgusted. You spent this
on an uber what you couldn't have gotten pizza cheaper
than this?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Like it is.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
It is just the ultimate American dad budget analysis. And
you know what, he's right about virtually everything he's saying,
as your dad was often right when he was going
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(33:42):
Travis Buck Sexton Show. We head out to the state
of Arizona. It's gonna be a major battleground as it
always has been. The past several cycles, but certainly in
twenty twenty six opportunity to replace the governor. There big
battle going on over who the representative will be.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
And wanting to go to d C.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Friend of the show, Jay Feely, Arizona's fifth congressional district.
Jay Feely, many of you know, played in the NFL
fourteen years, has been also ten years as an NFL
analyst with CBS. And what's this status prequel stat Pat
Summerol is the only kicker to be in the broadcast

(34:24):
booth more than you doing NFL games?

Speaker 7 (34:27):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I mean, everybody knows Pat Summerol as the legendary co
host of John Madden back in the day, but also
a lot of people don't realize this Pat Summerol father
of Susie Wiles, who is now the chief of staff
in Trump administration two point zero.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Tying it all together there for.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
You, Jay, Yeah, just an honor to be even mentioned
with Pat Summerl because he is such a legend and
you know, very cool to see what Susie is doing
with President Trump and how respected she is. You know,
We've gotten to know each other couple times with Saint Jude,
because I've done a lot with Saint Jude. I had
a niece of mine who has gone twice to Saint

(35:07):
Jude Hospital to have.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Surgery on her.

Speaker 8 (35:09):
Cancer, and they were amazing to her, and so I've
supported them, and Susie has as well. So they give
away the Pat Summerle Award every year. But excited for
my opportunity to run for office, I just felt like
this was the time I had said no for a
few years, and.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
To be honest and candidate. I love my job.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
I love doing NFL games and calling games and being
in the booth and getting to do all the production
meetings and sit down with coaches and players and work
for five months and then having seven months off. But
really felt called my wife and I did that this
was the time for us to serve our country.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Jay, thank you for being on the show, and appreciate
that you've decided that you are or you have been
called perhaps a better way of putting it, to put
your hat in the ring to be a member of
our illustrious well congress. Some days it's illustrious, some days
we feel like it's letting us down a little bit.
We know you'll do a great job if you get there.
And it's all looking good for you in that respect

(36:05):
so far. How do you feel, where do you fit
in or what's your I'll put it this way, what
is your relationship to Maga Jay and the movement that
has become really the leadership, the tip of the spear
for the Republican Party.

Speaker 8 (36:21):
Well, I've supported President Trump for a long time, ever
since he first ran for office. We got to know
each other when I was with the Jets, playing for
the Jets and he wasn't running for office at himself.
We were just doing some charity events together with his foundation,
and you know, I really was impressed with just who
he was and his willingness to serve. He didn't have

(36:42):
to run for office. You know, he's wealthy and rich
and famous and doing his TV shows, and he decided
that he wanted to try to make this country better,
similar to what I feel, and I think, you know,
the things that we believe in economically, free markets and
left taxes and equombortunity and limited government, the need to
balance the budget. You know, those are all things that

(37:03):
I want to try to do and be an advocate
for in Congress.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Jay, I'm curious in your experience Trump one point zho
you said you were a Trump guy. It was the
case that if you were in sports media, people wanted
you to keep your head down and not acknowledge that
you were a Trump guy. Trump two point zero. Now
Politico has got a huge story about it. Today, the
sports world loves Trump. What do you think has changed.

(37:32):
Do you think it's just a function of people are
being more honest now? Do you think it was the
Biden term was so bad? You've been a Trump guy
for a while. What's different as it pertains to the culture,
whether it's Christian, pulistic John Jones, the cheering at the
Super Bowl? What is going on that sports fans and
Trump are now in love with each other.

Speaker 8 (37:53):
I think you kind of hit the nail on the
heads there. I think part of it was he was
labeled to race this when he was running, you know,
in twenty sixteen. But I think when you look at
his administrations and Biden's administration and the differences and what
happened to our country. I think people got frustrated with
COVID when we lost our liberties. I think they saw

(38:15):
the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party when you had the
BLM riots and the response to destruction of people's property
in their businesses and murders. I think when you look
at the DEI policies and the transgender policies and guys
playing in girls' sports, I think people have rejected.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
That let me let me cut you off there for
a sec because I think as the locker room guy,
I had this. We had this conversation with the HUD
secretary last week, and I think it's important. What percentage
of NFL players, current and past do you think believe
that men should be able to compete against women.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
I would say it's under five percent.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
I think it's a very very low number. I think
anybody who has a sister and watch their sisters play sports,
or myself with my daughter. So the reason I got
in there to coaching, Like there was not a girls
soccer team at the high school that my daughter was
going to go to, and I said, well, that's ridiculous.
We have to have a girl soccer team. And they
were like, well, we need a coach, and I said, well,
I'll coach the team, you know, and to provide that opportunity.

(39:18):
I love what sports does to develop discipline and toughness
and camaraderie and fighting for something that's greater than yourself.
Those are all lessons that you learn in sports to
carry on the rest of your lives. And I never
want to see a girl not have an opportunity because
some guy decides I want to take my physical and
biological advantages and go play a sport that I know

(39:40):
that physically i'm better, or you know. I'll give you
another example, like we would play because I wanted our
girls to win a state championship. So we're going to
practice against our guys team that was really good.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
But I would sit down beforehand.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
With the guys coach and all the players on the
guys team and be like, listen, you can't go in
for tackles full speed against our girls. I don't want
somebody to getting hurt in this practice. I want your
speed and your power to stress them and to push them,
but I don't want them getting injured. And that's the
kind of situation they create when you have girls competing
against our guys, competing names girls in a physical sport.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Jay, I'm wondering I've never actually, I
don't think I've ever gotten to talk to an NFL
kicker before.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Certainly not one of your stature.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I'm I'm sort of and I'm a very casual observer
of professional sports. I'm not at Clay level where it
is a life's passion, not by a log shot, but
I do wonder and knowing what I know about this,
and having actually beaten most of the Amherst College men's
football team at Madden, because I was good at video
games and we would have tournaments when I was in college,
and you were a fantastic kicker. That's what I remember.

(40:48):
I probably want some money off some of my friends
thanks to your leg. Is being a kicker in the
NFL the greatest job in the NFL or the most
stressful job in the NFL? Because on the one hand,
I think you get to make great money, right, and
this stuff is all pretty well known. You make great
money as a professional athlete and you get to put
points on the board and the team has to love you.

(41:09):
But also like if you hit the upright and you
don't get it, it might be a lonely ride back
on the bus.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Like how should one think about that?

Speaker 8 (41:18):
Well, I would say punter is a better job than kicker,
because if you have four out of five good punts
at a game, you're gonna have a good game. It's
okay if you didn't have one great punt as long
as they don't return it for a touchdown. Whereas kicking,
you know, you can only miss three or four kicks
in a year to have a good year where they're
not going to look at replacing you, and those kicks

(41:39):
be game winning kicks, Like you can't come in and
miss a couple of game winners and a team and
a fan base not think about replacing you. And that's
kind of the reality of kicking. You have to be
able to handle pressure, and you have to be able
to handle failure, you know. And that was probably my
greatest attribute. I wasn't I couldn't kick it the farthest.
I wasn't the best, I wasn't the most accurate, but

(42:00):
I could handle failure and it didn't defeat me, didn't
break me going forward, you know. And when I got
to the point in my career where I was like, okay,
I failed as bad as I could fail. Saturday Night
Live did a spoof about me called the Jay Feeley
Story The Long Ride Home, and it didn't break me.
That allowed me to be a lot better because I
started losing some of that fear of failure and just

(42:20):
having fun out there. And then the next nine years
after that skit, I didn't miss another game winner.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
What is it like as a kicker to be mocked
on Saturday Night Live? I didn't know that. I had
no idea about that either. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (42:34):
So I missed three game winners with the Giants out
in Seattle late in the season, one at the end
of the game too, and overtime, obviously the worst game
of my career. And you know, the next next week,
I'm getting ready to We're going to play Philadelphia Saturday night.
I'm trying to go to sleep. I'm trying not to
lose my job. The next day and I get a
bunch of text message and they're like, dude, they're killing

(42:56):
you on Saturday Live right now. And of course I
didn't look at it or watch it. Go play the game.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
The next day at Philadelphia, we go.

Speaker 8 (43:02):
To overtime again, I got a game winner again, and
they call time out to ice me, and they play
a montage of my misses on the jumbo tron in
the stadium from the from the game where I missed
all the game winners, and you're sitting there, And that's
where mental discipline comes in, because you can't let your
mind wander. You know, if you miss this kick, you're
probably gonna lose your job, your kids are going to

(43:24):
have to change schools, You're gonna have to sell the
house and move. You don't know if you'll ever have
a job in the NFL again. But you can't let
your mind think about those things. You have to discipline
it to not allow it to wander, to either think
about the positive implications or the negative implications. And I
think that's the challenge with kicking. Its why you see
guys that are really good one year and then have
a really bad miss and then can never do it again.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Did you make the kick?

Speaker 8 (43:48):
Of course I played for nine more years if I missed.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
It, Yeah, but you made You made that kick?

Speaker 7 (43:53):
Now?

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Is that still allowed to this is a great guy.
I didn't know this backstory?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
This is? Is it still?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Is it allowed in the NFL to show negative highlights
still on the jumbo tron? Like I don't remember seeing
a montage of kicker missus obvious season ticket holder. Is
that still allowed today or has that been this? I've
never even heard of that.

Speaker 8 (44:12):
So the Meryra family was not happy after that game.
I know they went to the NFL and complained about
it because you kind of you take that in your
strap late say, think of all the things you could
put up on a jumble tron during a game.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
The opposing player is you know mine?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
You know you can put on I would I would
say that falls into a category of actually bad sportsmanship.
I don't even I don't think that's all in good fun.
I think it's bad sportsmanship.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
What's the city of brotherly love?

Speaker 7 (44:35):
So what do you expect?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh is Philly? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Okay, well you know they do have that courthouse under
the stadium, right, so I.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Bet I bet that made the winning kick after they
did that unbelievably uh joyful for you in that celebration.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Would you always know, Jay, when you kicked? Would you
always know like the second you made contact? You know,
obviously there's like a couple of seconds where it's where
it's airborne, right, Would you know every time you hit it,
I got it or I didn't.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
Pretty much as soon as you make contact, you know,
if that ball is starting where you want there were
you know, there's a couple of times with win. Like
the first kick in that game I was talking about
where I missed a game winner. I hit it exactly
where I wanted in Seattle. I thought the wind was
going to bring it back right, and it shifted and
it brought it left, and you missed by you know,
a little bit. But for the most part, you know,
when you hit, it's like a golfer. You kind of
know the ball comes off, you know, Okay, I hit

(45:26):
that one.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well, was the best kick you ever made?

Speaker 8 (45:31):
The most important kick I ever made was probably in
high school in the state semi finals. I had a
game winner at the end of the game, and I
make that kick, you know, and we go on to
the state finals. And for me, that was when I
first started thinking about doing kicking as a career.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
I was a soccer player.

Speaker 8 (45:51):
I kind of played everything growing up until that moment,
you know, I never really looked at kicking as something
I wanted to do, you know. And then that kick
led to me going to college at Michigan, and then
getting into the NFL, and then broadcasting for ten years
and not running for office. I kind of feel like
that kick started the journey for me. Over the next
quarter of a century.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Very cool.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
All right, how do people if they want to support
you in Arizona's fifth, what should they know and what
should they do?

Speaker 8 (46:19):
Well? They should know the first of all, I'm a
fighter and I'm not afraid to stand up for my beliefs.
You know, working in broadcast media for a major network
like CBS like people didn't like that you would talk
about your support of Republicans, conservatives, and especially Trump, and
I was never afraid to do that. I would post
pictures when he and I would get together and play golf,

(46:41):
and I would be called into the principal's office all
the time for doing that. And my perspective always was, listen,
you're not going to do that if I'm posting something
that's liberal, So don't do it if I post something
that's conservative. But I think people should know that I'm
going to stand up and be an advocate for conservative
principles and the America First policy. You can go to
j Feely Forcongress dot com sign my petition if you

(47:03):
live in the district, or you can support us financially.
But more than anything, I just want to be somebody
who is willing to talk about their beliefs and do
it in a compassionate way and be able to advocate
for Republicans and conservative causes. And you know, we're going
to have a fight in twenty twenty six to keep
the House in the Senate, and I want to be
part of that fight.

Speaker 7 (47:21):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
One thing people may not know about you, Tom Brady
teammate at the University of Michigan.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Quickly on your way out. What's Brady like?

Speaker 8 (47:30):
He is the most compassionate dude, you know. I mean
I never knew he was going to be as good
as he was. You know, we were at college for
four years together and room together and some of the
summers and worked at the University of Michigan golf course together,
and I just never knew he would be.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
As good as he was. But I knew he was
a great leader.

Speaker 8 (47:48):
I think that's the thing that stands out the most
is his willingness to be humble and to take all
the stuff that Belichick gave to him and to use
him as an example for everyone else. That's what led
to the greatness, because he had those leadership qualities to
bring everybody together, and then the unsatiable desire to be
the best.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Ever awesome stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Well, we hope the voters of Arizona's fifth Congressional district
are listening. And I love that you were willing to
take the slings and arrows for being a Trump guy
when it wasn't popular to be a Trump guy.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Thanks for having me on, Thanks for giving guys everything
you guys do.

Speaker 7 (48:25):
Love listening.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Appreciate that. That's Jay Feely. Awesome dude.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Encourage you guys if you're in Arizona again twenty twenty six.
Once again, Arizona is going to be a focal point,
one of the big battlegrounds. Trump won by a lot,
but they're going to have the governor's race, the congressional races.

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Speaker 1 (50:12):
Let's dive right into it. The big news from over
the weekend about Biden's diagnosis. Clay and I I think
have already established with everybody. Of course, we're all very
anti cancer. It is sad when anyone gets cancer, we
hope that you know, he is able to be successfully treated.
We're not talking about that beyond the news item of
its announcement. What is I think of public concern, and

(50:35):
rightfully so, is given that he was president, and given
that they have now admitted they hid effectively senility from
the American public and they've now come forward with that,
we have questions. A lot of people have questions about
what the likelihood is that this diagnosis was also hidden
from the public based upon how a disease like this progresses.

(50:58):
What can you tell us as a as an MD.

Speaker 6 (51:02):
Yeah, unfortunately, I think the last four years and how
there has just been obvious deception when it came to
Biden's cognitive decline and not being forthcoming with that has
a lot of people on edge right now, and rightfully so,
I mean we you know, myself, I wrote articles, I
spoke publicly about I didn't believe that the former President

(51:22):
Biden's doctors were forthcoming about his mental and physical fitness
at the time that he was in the White House.
The metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis that we just learned over
the weekend is devastating and at this point it is
not about wishing him recovery or to be cancer free,
because once you have a stage four cancer diagnosis, you

(51:43):
don't ever get rid of that. The best we can
hope for is to have no progression of disease. And
when you have metastatic disease to the bone, it is
incredibly painful. So I'm sure he's probably uncomfortable right now.
We even know that he presented because of symptoms and
not from routine screening. Now, I think some of the
big questions that a lot of us had is, you know,
is this something that they kept from the public. And

(52:04):
the answer is, well, we don't know, but we can
kind of talk through this a little bit. At the
age of eighty two. To be honest, not every eighty
two year old man is being screened for prostate cancer.
In fact, a lot of formal recommendations are that you
don't screen for prostate cancer and other cancers at this age.
But because of you have to take into many factors.
You know, what is their life expectancy, will they actually

(52:25):
benefit from the treatment. But we do know that while
Biden was in the White House, because of his annual exams,
he was being screened for colon cancer with colonoscopies, he
was getting skin checked for skin cancer screenings, So therefore
we can assume that he was getting routine screenings, and
you would expect that from the President of the United States.
We would want to make sure we're catching all illness early.

(52:47):
So the assumption should be that he was probably being
screened for prostate cancer at least while he was in
the White House. They never mentioned whether or not he
was whether he had the physical exam checking for nodules
on the prostate, or whether they were screening him with
the common blood tests, the PSA test, which people may
be hearing about. They never mentioned those. And interestingly, on
other physical exams President Trump, even former President Obama, they

(53:10):
did mention when a PSA was drawn. They didn't mention
that in President Biden. Does that mean that they hid
it from us intentionally? No, not necessarily. You don't necessarily
you don't always tell people all the pertinent negatives of
the physical exam. But it is curious that they didn't
mention it.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Do you think that this could be missed? So let's
just kind of take a step back. Let's pretend that
it's not Joe Biden we're talking about There's an entire
medical team and apparatus that is surrounding the president every
minute of every day.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
For the last four years. Anything that is remotely wrong
with him.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
He has a team of doctors the likes of which
basically doesn't exist for any other person in America. Do
you think it is possible that they could have completely
missed this cancer and that on Friday, This is I'm
just asking for your medical opinion, and then on Friday
they would suddenly come out and say, not only does

(54:13):
he have cancer, but it's a stage four cancer that
has gotten to the point where it is now advanced
to being inside of his bone.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Does that seem likely to you? As a doctor?

Speaker 6 (54:26):
I can tell you that cancers are missed, and not
all cancers are. Not all prostate cancers are associated with
a rise in PSA. Most of them are. Most of
them you'll have a high PSA, so if you are
screening for prostay cancer, you should pick up on that.
But not all of them are, so you can't say
one hundred percent of cancers are. Therefore, if he had

(54:46):
a normal PSA, he didn't have cancer. That's not true.
It sounds like he presented with your urinary symptoms. What
is that it could be urinary frequency pain, whatever, frequent
urina and then that's where they found the hardened nodule.
To go from presenting with symptoms to a biopsy proven

(55:09):
prostate cancer to now confirming metastatic disease, all in less
than a week's time, that's a stretch for me a
little bit. But I will say he is the former president,
so he doesn't get treated like the rest of us.
He probably gets accelerated scans and everything is being done
for him in the same day, and everything's being prioritized.

(55:29):
So is it possible. Absolutely, But they had a lot
of information just for this to have happened in the
last week, specifically the type of cancer it was, the
fact that it's sensitive to hormones. I mean, these are
extra tests that we run on the pathology specimen, so
usually it takes several days to even over a week
to get all of that information back. And the fact
that again that they are even they did the bone imaging.

(55:51):
They didn't say what they did or how they know
that he has metastatic cancer to the bones, but they
said he had it. Is this an assumption because they
did a bone scan or a pet scan and they
saw lesions in the bone, or did it go as
far to actually confirming it by doing a bone biopsy,
which again would take even more time. We don't have
all the information. In fact, we have very little information.

(56:13):
But what we do know is he has a very
aggressive late stage prostate cancer. It didn't just start in
the last week. It's probably been there for at least
several months, maybe several years, and it's an unfortunate, tragic
situation for the former president.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
If you had been doctor Saphire with us doctor Nicole
Safire now part of the Clay and Buck podcast network,
if you had been his lead physician, Like, let's just
pretend that it's not Joe Biden himself, right, but you
are the White House lead physician, and six months after
he leaves your care after four years as you being

(56:50):
his lead physician, would you feel like you had failed
him in some way for not picking up on this cancer,
Like as a doctor, would this be something where you thought, boy,
I could have done a better job. If this were
as they seem to be saying, the case that this
thing did not reveal itself until Friday, you had four
years to be around him, virtually every day.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Would you be kicking yourself for missing this?

Speaker 6 (57:15):
The regret and wondering what you should have could have
done as a physician as something we live with every
single day. The White House physician is essentially the primary
care physician for the President of the United States. You
have to assume that they are doing every single screening
examination to make sure that they catch early signs of
any sort of illness, anything that could incapacitate the president.

(57:36):
The fact that several months after leaving the White House
not only was he diagnosed with prostate cancer, but a
late stage prostay cancer, absolutely, as the primary care physician,
I would be saying to myself, what did I miss?
Because this isn't a rare cancer. Unfortunately, there are those
cancers that we don't screen for because they are more rare,
like a prostate cancer or a brain a primary brain tumor.

(58:00):
Screen from them because they're not very common. Prostate cancer
is the second most common cancer in men, secondary to
skin cancer, So that is why we screen men for
prostate cancer. So again, if the White House physician was
screening for colon cancer and for skin cancer and checking
his cholesterol and everything else he was doing, I have
to assume he was screening for prostate cancer. So the

(58:21):
big question for me is did they intentionally omit those
PSA results? Did they have an inclination was their diagnosis
early on? The biggest thing for me that I have
the big concerns with is the fact that they kept
the cognitive decline that was very obvious. That was deceitful
because a cognitive evaluation should have been a part of that.

(58:41):
And when people were questioning his cognitive ability, that's when
he should have been able to do some of those
mental status exams and make them public. They didn't do that.
That was intentional, that was deceitful. When it comes to
the prostate cancer, did they do the same thing. I
don't know. I'm less convinced because I do see deno cancers,
especially aggressive ones like Gleason score nines, can happen very

(59:05):
quickly and they can mentasticize very quickly. So I am
less inclined to think that there is a massive cover
up when it came to prostate cancer, the same way
that I feel for the cognitive decline. But it's it's possible,
and I think that there are questions that we don't
have the answers to.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Doctor staph Art to that end, the medical ethics here,
I'm curious about this. I feel like it would you know,
there's what's put forward for the public, and as we know,
there's information about this is not a normal thing, right,
A president puts forward, you know, information that would be
hippoprotected or whatever. Right, And that's just understood because it's

(59:42):
a job that affects all of us, and so the
health of the president is in many ways public information.
But if you're the president's physician and the president says
and you say, hey, look I see something on this PSA,
it's a little bit weird. And the President of the
United States says to the physician, the White House was yeah,
I don't think we need to share this with anybody.

(01:00:03):
What are the medical ethics here? I mean, what how
does that play out? As you see?

Speaker 6 (01:00:10):
I mean, that's a great question medical legally, is a
physician we are not supposed to speak publicly about someone's
diagnoses if it's our patient. Actually, ethically, we're not supposed
to really talk about their diagnosis even if they're not
our patient, because we're not supposed to draw conclusions without
having done the work.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Up.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
It is only a courtesy that they show us these
annual physical examinations. That is not you know, that is
not right that the Americans. I mean, that's not in
the law that they have to do that. We just
liked this on paper where it says that our presidents
are mentally and physically fit to do the job. It's
a great thing, but really all it is is a
feel good thing, and absolutely things can be omitted. Again,

(01:00:48):
we saw it with President Biden for four years. Things
were admitted. We called it out on that, and they
didn't do anything about it. So if he had gotten
the diagnosis, and maybe his trips to Delaware were to
go for treatment, who knows what it was. Maybe that's
why he spent so much time up in Delaware. The
bottom line is, we don't know, And if President Biden
didn't want to disclose something, I don't think the White

(01:01:10):
House physician is medically legally obligated to do so. His
responsibility is to his patient. Yeah, I mean he has
to remember. Lloyd Austen, for Defense Secretary, also had prostay
cancer during the administration, and that was controversy. As say,
he did not disclose it. That was disclosed inadvertently, because
if you don't remember, he underwent surgery and then he

(01:01:32):
was in the hospital, but they didn't even they weren't
forthcoming with us. They didn't even want us to know
about that. We found out about that after the fact,
So I don't know. It felt like a lot of
things were being kept from the public with this last administration,
and I wouldn't be surprised if some things were kept.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
What's the prognosis going forward so far as you can
tell based on what they announced.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
Yesterday, Well, unfortunately, the two things that they really gave
for kind of worst case when it comes to prostate cancer.
The glease and score of nine is how aggressive the
cancer is. That if you're looking at the cells under microscope,
that is scored on how many cells are there, how
active they are, how fast they're dividing, and it's scored

(01:02:13):
from two to ten, ten being the most aggressive, two
being the least. Nine is considered very aggressive, very fast acting.
So this hasn't been lingering for seven to ten years,
as some people have been saying, absolutely not not. With
a gleas and score of nine, it's very fast acting.
So in that sense, it's worst case scenario, but also
stage four, meaning that it's not only it's not just

(01:02:35):
in the prostate land, it's gone outside of the prostate land.
And it's not even in like the local pelvic lymph nodes.
It's gone farther out and in former President Biden's case,
in his bones. So worst case scenario when this is
caught early, if you have a less aggressive prostate cancer,
the five year survival approaches one hundred percent. I mean,
that's why we screen, That's why we detect early, because

(01:02:56):
we have such a great survivability. Unfortunately, in former President
Biden's case, that survivability at five years is markedly decreased,
with numbers ranging between twenty five to thirty five percent
five year survival.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
So the expectation would be that based on this diagnosis,
just to close out with you, there was been would
have been a strong likelihood that he might die in
office with this cancer if he were trying to serve
all the way until January of twenty nine, for instance.

Speaker 6 (01:03:27):
Well, I think at the age of eighty two, just
he's already exceeding the expected life expectancy for an American man,
especially one with cardiovascular disease and a history of heart disease.
So I think the likelihood that he would have had
some sort of cardiac event in the next four years
is high, maybe a cardiovascular disease like a stroke event.

(01:03:48):
And now given the aggressive stage four prostate cancer and
with the treatments, I think it's highly likely that his
life expectancy, I'm not you know, is significantly decreased and
another term with under the presidency, with that stress, probably
would have exacerbated his decline.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Doctor Nicole Safire part of the Clay and Buck podcast network.
You do fabulous work. We appreciate you making the time
for us on short notice and encourage people to go
listen to your podcast.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Thanks for having me on. Guys, we're certainly going to
be covering.

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