Daily Review With Clay and Buck - May 27 2025

CDC 86's Covid Vax Hour 1 of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off with Clay Travis solo-hosting as Buck Sexton recovers from the flu. Clay reflects on Memorial Day, honoring the sacrifices of American service members, and shares highlights from his visit to the Indy 500, emphasizing the strong presence of Clay and Buck listeners. The hour dives into major political and cultural topics, starting with breaking news: the CDC has officially removed the COVID-19 vaccine from its recommended immunization schedule for healthy children and pregnant women. Clay highlights this as a significant reversal of previous federal health mandates and criticizes the Biden administration and legacy media for their role in promoting what he calls “COVID shot propaganda.” He underscores the personal and professional consequences many Americans faced for refusing the vaccine, including job loss and social ostracization. Riley Gaines on Fame The long-term consequences of COVID-19 policies, the erosion of trust in public health institutions, and the ongoing controversy surrounding transgender athletes in women’s sports. Clay Travis, hosting solo, opens the hour by reacting to breaking news that the COVID-19 vaccine has been removed from the recommended list for children and pregnant women—a decision that sparks a broader conversation about government overreach, vaccine mandates, and the psychological toll of pandemic-era restrictions. Clay is joined by former NCAA swimmer and women’s sports advocate Riley Gaines, who shares her personal experiences with COVID-era mandates while competing at the University of Kentucky. Gaines recounts the extreme and often illogical protocols athletes endured, including wearing masks between swim laps and facing pressure to get vaccinated despite natural immunity. She reflects on the broader impact of school closures and social isolation on young people, emphasizing how these policies robbed students of formative life experiences. The conversation shifts to the ongoing debate over biological males competing in women’s sports. Gaines and Travis discuss recent incidents, including a viral protest by a female athlete in California and former President Donald Trump’s public condemnation of transgender participation in women’s competitions. Gaines criticizes the Democratic Party’s unwavering support for these policies and highlights the bravery of young women standing up for fairness in sports. She also addresses personal attacks from media figures like Jemele Hill and Keith Olbermann, reinforcing her commitment to advocating for women’s rights and equal opportunities. Dr. Marty Makary, FDA Commissioner Clay welcomes newly appointed FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary, who, alongside Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and RFK Jr. announced the removal of the COVID shot recommendation for healthy children and pregnant women. Dr. Makary explains the need to restore scientific integrity and transparency in public health, criticizing the previous administration’s reliance on unproven theories and lack of clinical trial data. He emphasizes the importance of rebuilding trust by focusing on chronic disease prevention, food quality, and environmental health. Dr. Makary also reflects on the failures of school closures, the disproportionate impact on low-income and minority communities, and the long-term mental health consequences for children. He calls for a renewed commitment to evidence-based medicine and civil discourse, warning against the dangers of censorship and politicization in science. President Trump Endorses Clay's New Book! the Democratic Party’s struggle to connect with young male voters, the cultural alienation of boys, and the broader implications for American society and politics. Clay opens the hour by discussing a recent New York Times article detailing a $20 million Democratic initiative—codenamed SAM (Speaking with American Men)—aim

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck
Sexton Show. I appreciate all of you hanging out with
us as we are rolling through the post Memorial Day
weekend festivities. We want to again, as I said on Friday,

(00:21):
reiterate to everyone out there who's family friends have made
the ultimate sacrifice that the reason we all have the
freedoms we do every single day is because of the
sacrifices so many have made throughout the course of nearly
two hundred and fifty years of American history. We will
talk some about that. I had a spectacular weekend trip

(00:44):
to the NDY five hundred. I had never been before.
Thanks to the Good Ranchers crew for taking me there,
Ben and his wife Corley. We had a phenomenal time
running all around with them. I think there are videos
up at clayanbuck dot com you can see the incredible
time that we all had. I met a lot of

(01:04):
you in the Indianapolis area, and there's three hundred and
fifty thousand people there, so quite a bit of you
had to be Clay and Buck listeners OutKick readers, Fox
news viewers. Not a surprise that there would be a
lot of you that we would run into during the
course of that weekend. It was awesome. Hospitality was fabulous
in Indianapolis, and so I appreciate everybody who said hi,

(01:27):
and the Good Ranchers Crew, Good Ranchers dot Com code Clay.
Those guys are doing amazing work. You get forty dollars
off if you go there. But they have a fabulous
business and they're awesome people. So I think you guys
will be hearing more and more from them coming forward.
But we had just a spectacular time. Want to tell

(01:48):
you Buck is out by the way, has the flu
and he's hoping to be back tomorrow. So he will
be back tomorrow. I will be out. I'm going to
go to this new Universal Studios park with my kids.
We're going to be on the road for a few days.
School is finally out, so I'm going to be on
the road with my kids taking him to that amusement park,

(02:11):
which my wife's probably not happy that I just announced,
but that is where we will be for the next
several days. So they have opened a brand new Universal
Studios park, and my kids were excited for the roller coaster.
So that is where Dad and Mom are going to
be here. But Buck should be back tomorrow, says he
should be back healthy. But that is where he is today.

(02:31):
So I want to dive into There's so many different
stories that are out there. Riley Gaines, by the way,
is going to join us midway through today's program, and
she is going to do that because Trump has really
taken a two by four to the state of California
over men being allowed to participate in women's sports. And

(02:53):
we will talk about talking about that with her in
the next hour, as that has turned into a major
issue in Gavin Newsom, who still has an open invite
to come on this program but has somehow not found
the time, said it was very unfair, completely unfair, I
think was his phrase, to allow men to compete in
women's sports. Well, it's happening and at the state championship

(03:16):
level of California, and the President has called it out.
We got a lot to talk about during the course
of the program, but I want to dive into a
couple of stories that I thought happening over the weekend
and earlier today were representative of the lies that so
many of us have had to deal with over the

(03:38):
last four or five years. And I want to start
with good news. It's good news if you didn't get
the shot. Those of you who had to get the
COVID shot are still furious, those of you whose kids
had to get the COVID shot to go to college
or wherever it was. The Health and Human Services Secretary

(03:58):
Robert Kennedy, I believe the CDC Director Marty McCarey, who
we need to get on the program. We had him
on a lot during the COVID era. On this program.
They announced this morning that they are removing the COVID
shot from the recommended vaccine quotation marks. For those of
you watching on video, the recommended vaccine shot lineup, and

(04:19):
we have that audio. This just happened in the last
hour or so. Listen to that.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I couldn't be more pleased to announce that, as of today,
the COVID vaccine for healthy children and healthy pregnant women
has been removed from the CDC recommended immunization schedule. Last year,
the Biden administration urged healthy children to get yet another
COVID shot, despite the lack of any political data to

(04:45):
support the repeat booster strategy.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
In children. That ends today. It's common sense, that's good science.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
There's no evidence healthy kids need it today, and most
countries have stopped recommending it for children.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Or now one step close you realizing President Trump's promise
to make America healthy again.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Okay, that's an extraordinary part of our national story. Now
that this shot which they told you would prevent COVID
from spreading, which they told you that you had to
get or you were going to be fired from your job,
think the Lord the Supreme Court stood up against it,

(05:26):
Joe Biden. Remember, maybe we can grab this audio because
I know a lot of it gets memory. Hold said
that his patience was running short for those of you
out there that had not gotten the COVID shot, like me,
that we were going to experience a winter of death.
I remember seeing that comment while I was chilling on

(05:46):
a beach in Florida and thinking, Yeah, the wins or
a death's not that bad down here in Florida right now.
I think I set out a tweet about it, and
you had to joke about it because it was so
infuriating that anybody was being forced to get this COVID shot.
Buck was forced to get the COVID shot to go
to his brother's wedding in New York. You couldn't go

(06:09):
to McDonald's some parts of places like New York and
la I never got the shot. I feel fortunate that
I did not. I feel fortunate that my young kids
did not because it was never mandated for them. But
I know a lot of you felt that you were
obligated to get it. And it is just completely indefensible

(06:32):
that this entire era has been allowed to happen, and
that many of the people that wagged their finger and
lectured you about the COVID shot are now just pretending
they never said any of the things that they did.
And I want to hit you because I do think
it's important with the data here, and I would say
that many of you are listening to me today and

(06:54):
listen to us on this program on a regular basis
because you are still angry about what they said to
you during COVID and what they tried to do to you.
Remember this poll, This was from the rasmuscin and it
broke down percentages of people twenty percent, sorry, nearly sixty

(07:16):
percent of Democrats in January of twenty twenty two. This
is January of twenty twenty two believed that the unvaccinated
people like me and many of you listening right now
and UNCOVID shotted because not really a vaccine. Sixty percent
of Democrats believe that you should have been fined if
you refuse to get the COVID shot. This is crazy.

(07:40):
Nearly sixty percent of Democrats believed that those of us
who didn't get the COVID shot should be locked at home.
This is nearly over. Forty percent of Democrats believed that
those who didn't get the COVID shot should be sent
to quarantine camps. Should your children be taken from you

(08:05):
if you are not getting them the COVID shot? Thirty
percent of Democrats said yes. And for people like me
and buck Over, about fifty percent of Democrats said that
people who criticize the COVID shot should be fined and imprisoned.
I shared that audio, that clip from that poll yesterday

(08:31):
because it says if people want to pretend all of
this never happened, and I see it. In conjunction with Jake,
Tapper went on with Piers Morgan, and Piers Morgan asked
him about the Biden cognitive and physical decline cover up
and Tapper now, who had a show on CNN for

(08:52):
the entire Biden administration. He now says, you know, in
many ways, the cover up of Biden's health, physical, goal
and mental was worse than Watergate. Listen to this.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
It is a scandal. Yes, it is, it is, it is.
It is without question, and maybe even worse than Watergate
in some way because Richard Nixon was in control of
his faculties when he wasn't drinking. We quote Archibald Cox,
who was a Watergate investigator, talking about how powerful the
presidency is and how presidents get surrounded by people who

(09:27):
have a vested interest in keeping that president propped up.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, worse than Watergate, and by the way, I think
it was worse than Watergate. The decision for the media
to not cover Biden's mental and physical decline, and now
the COVID shot being pulled for kids. Let me ask
you a question, how can anyone trust anyone in legacy

(09:53):
media at this point if they told you at CNN, MSNBC, AB, NBCCBS,
Fox did not buy and large, but the Washington Post
and the New York Times, all of those major legacy
media outlets that I just ran through, if they all

(10:13):
told you that your kids needed to get the COVID
shot or they were in danger of death. And if
they all told you that Biden was the best mental
and physical version of himself, and that anybody criticizing him
was spreading disinformation and misinformation, how can anyone trust these people? Again?

(10:34):
How can you if you worked at all those places
and you got the two biggest stories maybe of your
career COVID And I'm not just talking, by the way,
about the shot, but now that the SHOT's being pulled
for kids, I do think it's important to point out
that they tried to force kids to get the shot

(10:54):
in order to be able to go to school in
many parts of the country. Now that they're pulling this shot,
and now that everybody suddenly says, hey, you know what, yeah,
Biden mentally and physically he wasn't up for the job,
how can anyone Those are the two I would argue,
those are the two biggest stories in the last certainly
twenty years. If you go back to nine to eleven,
what has mattered more than those two things? COVID and

(11:17):
Biden's mental and physical decline. They got all of that wrong.
How do they stop jobs? How do they still have
any audience at all? How in the world do these
people still have the ability to make a living. We
get things wrong as part of being human. All of

(11:39):
us are imperfect. But if you listen to this program,
many of you did what I did and didn't get
your kids the COVID chot. I didn't get it myself.
Many of you knew early on that Biden didn't have
the mental and physical capacity to be president. Both of
those things we've now been proven right on on this program.

(12:02):
In an honest, transparent, fully cognizant media universe, this show
would do as it has continue to grow, and the
legacy media buy and large would collapse. And you know
what's happened that over time, all that matters in media

(12:25):
is trust. Do you trust people to be honest with
you and analyze complex situations and give you, to the
best of their ability, good advice to discuss complex issues
in an intelligent fashion. That is the goal to me
of anyone that sits behind this mic, of anyone that
talks to a large audience. Every single day. We passed

(12:50):
that test here. Now, make no mistake. What they are
attempting to do is memory hold the entire COVID era
and pretend that they never could have known better because
the experts got it wrong, not them. And then the
thing that they're actually experts in, which is theoretically politics
and analyzing presidents. They're claiming that they just couldn't see
past the incredible cover up that the Biden administration has

(13:12):
put in place. I would submit to you that you
should not let them off the hook. You should remember
this failure for the rest of their career. And I
would also submit to you, you know who the biggest
advertisers are on CNN and MSNBC buy large drug companies.
Do you think it was coincidental that they whiffed on

(13:35):
the value of the COVID shot when all of these
drug companies were spending hundreds of millions of dollars billions
of dollars to advertise on their programs. I don't think so.
And this is one where I think RFK Junior, who's
a lifelong Democrat, is actually right. Why in the world
are they accepting all of this money for prescription drug
advertisements on programs where they regularly have to cover prescription drugs,

(13:58):
and whether or not they're necessary, I would submit to
you it's not a coincidence that the prescription drug companies
got beneficial coverage while spending hundreds of millions, if not
billions of dollars. And then we all know that it
wasn't that they got fooled, it was that they aren't

(14:20):
actual journalists. They are propaganda's stooges for Democrats, and they
weren't willing to tell their audience the truth about Joe
Biden until it became clear Biden was never going to
be in power again. We'll talk about all this, but
I think the conjunction of these two stories coming together
is actually a moment of reckoning for the legacy media,

(14:40):
which is leading to many of them being destroyed. And
I think this is such a huge story that I
think it needs to be hammered home, and we'll have
some fun doing that today, among many other things. But
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(15:45):
eight eight if CJ fuck not feeling well, He'll be
back tomorrow. I am rolling solo with you here on
the Tuesday after a Memorial Day weekend, and we have
been breaking down a lot. If you missed it earlier today,

(16:09):
the COVID shot has been pulled off the recommended shot
list for kids and pregnant women. A lot of you
out there are saying, finally, and you're very thankful that
you never got any of the COVID shots for your
kid or yourself, or you are resentful that because of
where you were going to school or where you worked,
that in order to maintain your employment or maintain your

(16:32):
school eligibility, you had to get the shot. And we
bring in now Riley Gaines. We got a lot to
dive into with her. But Riley, let me take you
back in time with COVID for a minute before we
get into the craziness of the sports universe in terms
of men competing as women. You guys, you were a

(16:52):
University of Kentucky SEC champion swimmer. What do you remember
about what you guys had to do during COVID, because
I think a lot of this is just getting totally
memory hold. If I remember correctly, you guys had to
wear masks sometimes between laps or craziness for swimming. What
was it like even at UK?

Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know, saying it out loud now you almost forget
you lived it. You almost forget the insanity, the nonsensicalness
of it. COVID hit, of course, in March of twenty twenty,
which was the end of my sophomore year. Bar the
fact we were robbed of an NCAA Championships that year, which,
of course, is the meat you work all year, so

(17:32):
it's the meat you work all your life. For about
three days before we were supposed to leave, that meat
was very suddenly and swiftly canceled. We were sent home
for a few months. We eventually got to come back
to school, and upon returning, of course, it was the
immediate mandatory vaccines. It was the contact tracing. I mean,
they made it miserable. We couldn't go to class. They

(17:53):
told us me specifically, being that I was the team captain.
They told me I had to get the vaccine or
else I'd be hurting my team. But of course this
didn't sit right with me, right, being young, being healthy,
I had already had COVID at that point, which, being
a biology student, I understood the antibodies to be the
most natural and best form of immunity. So I pushed
back on this and I said, no, I don't, to

(18:15):
which I said, well, can you define mandatory for me?
And that is when they lost the plot. It was
almost as if they hadn't prepared for what to say.
They weren't given a script of what to say when
asked this question, and so that's when they responded back, well,
we really mean highly suggested. And I said, well, you
can take that and shove it because I'm not getting
the vaccine. But let me tell you, Clay, the rest
of my collegiate career, so all of my junior year,

(18:38):
all of my senior year, they made it miserable for me.
Had to go to testing every single week. They made
it at five am to make it what they described
as inconvenient for us. I had to wear a mask
in the weight room. We did have to wear a
mask in between laps when we got out of the
water on the pool deck. I mean we essentially waterboarded
ourselves every single day for the next two years.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You had to wear mask between laps in the pool.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, they tried everything. I mean they thought of things like, well,
we'll have some people start on one end of the
end of the pool, We'll have other people start on
the other end of the pool, will alternate lanes. I mean,
like I said, none of it made sense. Again, and
we're playing a sport. We're in chlorine, right, which is
going to kill any sort of you know, germ or
whatever it is. So all of it, from top to

(19:25):
bottom was utterly ridiculous, and we all recognize it to
be true. But I will say people got the vaccine
out of convenience to make it easier for them to
be able to compete. I remember they sat me down
and they said, Riley, you know again you're the team captain.
We have a big meet against University of Alabama, a

(19:45):
big SEC rivalry. You're not going to get to go
if you don't get the vaccine, to which again I
just I knew that was BS, and so I said,
that's fine, I won't go then, And of course I
got to go to University of Alabama. No, I never
got the vaccine, and.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I bet you're glad that you did. And let me
let me kind of build on this too. So many
young people. I think I started off the program talking
about the lies that we're told about COVID, and I
think certainly the lies that we're told about Biden. But
you mentioned something that I think is important. I know
there's a lot of people out there listening that have kids'
grandkids may have happen to you out there listening as well.

(20:24):
I still can't get my hands wrapped around it totally.
You were around twenty right in March of twenty twenty
when all this chaos started. Roughly, that's right, that's right.
Can you imagine if you had been sixteen instead, because
it sucked for you at twenty, But imagine that it
is March of twenty twenty. You are gearing up for

(20:44):
whatever spring sport you're involved in in the country. Right now,
you're gearing up for your junior year prompt in prom season.
All that sixteen seventeen eighteen. I talk now to kids
on college campuses, Riley, and I'm sure you too. In
many parts of the country, these kids went home in
March of twenty twenty as sixteen year olds, and they

(21:07):
basically didn't see the kids they went to high school
with in a big group again in many parts of
the country, until they graduated and the next year in
June of whatever it would have been twenty twenty one,
twenty twenty two some of these places. So you miss
your junior year, end of year, You miss everything that
happens during your senior year. For everybody out there listening,

(21:29):
think about how transformative usually you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year
old era is. It is not surprising to me that
there are so many kids out there that are angry
about what was taken from them. You're close to that
same age. You're on college campuses all the time. Do
you hear that from kids today?

Speaker 5 (21:48):
I hear that all the time, not only from my peers,
from my friends, from people I had classes with. But Clay,
I've got a younger sister and a younger brother. My
brother was about that sixteen year old age group during
the time of COVID in twenty twenty, and he was
in the middle of its football season. They were on
pace to be state champions. He went to Donaldson Christian Academy.

(22:11):
That all of that was taken from them. My little sister,
she was in middle school transitioning to high school. I mean,
it was horrible. My oldest sister, she graduated college from
Ole Miss in twenty twenty. So they had this virtual
graduation where she got to walk the stage so they
called it virtually where everyone sat on zoom. It was

(22:31):
the craziest thing. And even now, again let's say four
years post COVID era, the way the educational realm has
changed is I mean transformative. It is totally different. My
sister's high school experience again, she's will be a junior
next year in high school. Her experience now is totally
different than when I was in high school. Granted now

(22:54):
it's getting kind of up there, what eight or so
years ago, but even still totally totally different experience that
my younger sister has had compared to the experience that
I had in high school.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
So the data is out there that young people overwhelmingly
broke in the direction of Trump in twenty twenty four.
Young men in particular. You mentioned you have a brother.
I've got three teenage boy, two teenage boys, one ten
year old. But I see it from all of them
that they're just fed up. They're angry, and I think
it's not only COVID, it's the lies that they were told.

(23:28):
And I want to share this. Earlier today, Trump sent
out a truth post and said California, under the leadership
of radical left democrat Gavin Newsom, continues to illegally allow
men to play in women's sports. This week, a transition
male athlete at a major event won everything now qualified
to compete in the state finals next weekend. As a male,

(23:50):
he was less than an average competitor. As a female.
This transition person is practically unbeatable. This is not fair,
totally demeaning to women and girls. He then out the
Governor Newsom, who has said is unfair. He says, I
will speak with him today to find out which way
he wants to go. In the meantime, I'm ordering local authorities,
if necessary, to not allow a transition person to compete

(24:13):
at the state finals. This is a totally ridiculous situation.
Can you believe years after you swam against Leah Thomas?
Now what three years ago, if I remember correctly, that
we are still in a position where, if anything, Democrats
have hardened their stance on this being okay.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
You know what, Clay, I truthfully imagined. I knew this,
of course would be an election issue, it would get
us through November of twenty twenty four. But I really
believed that, of course we would see this red wave,
which we saw, and I believed after that the Democrats
would slowly begin to recant, to distance themselves from their
voting records, from their positions they've taken on totally outland

(24:51):
is crazy stuff such as men and women's sports. But
that is not at all what they have done. They
have double, tripled, quadrupled down on this insanity. I love
how Trump words that he is still plain in his language,
of course, which is another reason why I think specifically
young people love him, are drawn to him. He's so authentic.
He says, as a male, he was less than an

(25:13):
average competitor. And that's so true. That is virtually the
case in every scenario, every situation, every circumstance where we
see this happening, we don't see it going the other way.
It is virtually always mediocre boys, mediocre men who couldn't
hack it in their own division or maybe ranking in
the bottom of the barrel, right, they switch over to

(25:33):
the women's league, and they substantially skyrocket in the rankings
whatever that system may be. At the state level. In
case and what he's describing here in California, this boy
by the name of ab Hernandez. Maybe I'm sure you
remember Clay. About a week or so ago, a video
went viral of this young girl who placed second in California,

(25:56):
her name is rys Hogan in the triple jump. But
it was only after sure everyone exited the podium, with
the man, of course, standing atop the podium where she
jumps on the first place podium. And I thought that
was the most remarkably brave display that really we've seen
thus far. I mean, we've seen some pretty awesome things,
right Like I think of the girls in West Virginia,

(26:18):
the middle schoolers who boycotted and shot put, which au
Kick was the first to report on, By the way,
I think of several instances of girls boycotting. But this
I thought was really the perfect way to embody and
highlight that that man atop the podium was a total
fraud and everyone recognizes it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
You got into it with Jamel Hill a little bit
over the weekend. Jamel Hill is a crazy person who
used to work at ESPN. She kind of the female
version maybe of Keith Olberman, who you've also gotten into
it over with I just three years ago, if only
women had swim in your NCAA championship, where do you
think you'd be?

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Well, my plan what I was post graduating from University
of Kentucky. I was in dental school, actually set to
specialize in in deedonics, so root canals. Basically, that's what
I had planned. That's what I was set to do.
That's what I prepared to do. I scored in the
top percentile of the DAT nationally, which is the dental
admissions test, the test to get into dental school. I

(27:18):
had been awarded tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship
funds to continue my education in dentistry, So that was
certainly the plan. I had married my husband. Our life
would look a whole lot different had that man that's
six foot four again, as President Trump wards that mediocre

(27:39):
men not been in the pool with us, in the
locker room with us that day.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So I think this is so, this is so important
because you get attacked, I think unfairly, and I'm sure
on a level that you never would have ever anticipated
for just being a woman who believes women's sports should
be made up of women. And I love when I
see tweets JK. Rowling just fearlessness, because this is not
a complicated issue. But the only reason you have ended

(28:07):
up doing what you are doing is because one you're fearless,
but two you dealt with this directly and you never
want any other girls or women to ever have to
deal with this either, and yet you get attacked for that.
I just think it's really important to hammer home that's it.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
That's it, the stance that I've taken. Of course, I've
been painted to be this super radical, crazy right wing grister,
as Jamel Hill would call it. But I mean, I
still live my daily life like with my husband, with
my family, with my animals and my dogs, we live
on a flower farm, like I'm still me. The only
I guess radical position that I've taken is that men

(28:48):
cannot become women, and that there are two sexes, and
that each sex is deserving of equal opportunity of privacy
and of safety. But several times now, of course yuh
Ki's oberman. I genuine think this man is like needs
to be in an asylum somewhere. I don't think he's stable,
like we should be doing like welfare checks on him
every November fifth. But you've got Jamel Hill who has

(29:11):
told me on multiple occasions now over the past few
years that I need to thank Leah Thomas every single
day of the rest of my life for getting me famous. Again, reminder,
I did not ask for this, I did not want this.
I simply took a position that ninety nine one percent
really of common sense people have taken, and I would
say ninety to ninety five percent of every day common

(29:33):
sense Americans who I mean, it's a position they take too,
but they just weren't willing to say it three years ago.
Now you compare that to twenty twenty five, and the
landscape has shifted, right. People, of course, are becoming more bold,
more willing to say what everyone already knows to be true.
And with that the response that we see from the left,

(29:54):
from the other side, people who don't have common sense,
people who vehemently hate women, people like Jamel Hill, former
ESPN hosts, of course, that is to increase as well.
So I say, bring it on. You know, lots of
things that bother me, that scare me, but Jammel Hill
and her professional race bidding, certainly is it one of them.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I love the easy question of and I've used this
and I think it just really I would encourage you
guys to deploy it in your own life. People attack
you on this issue, just say, hey, I don't think
men should be able to compete in women's sports. That's
my opinion, that's your opinion, that's the opinion of a
lot of people listening out to us right now. Isn't
it amazing how rarely, if ever, anybody on the left

(30:37):
attacking you will ever say what their opinion on the
issue is, of course.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
And it's because I believe deep down they don't think
it either, right, these Democrats, whether it's it's these elected officials,
people in Congress, whether it is people like Jammel Hill,
these especially actually people like Jammel Hill, sports reporters who Underson,
who have been reporting on both men and women's sports
for decades, for years. Of course they don't believe that

(31:05):
men can magically become women with the same physical capabilities.
Of course they don't believe that. But for some reason
it has just been this fill that they are willing
to die on. I don't know if it's the virtue signaling.
I don't know if it's the fear of the wrath
from the other side. I don't know if they're so
bought into like this oppression Olympics that they that they're

(31:28):
willing to proclaim it subtly right. But you're right, people
like Jamel Hill. I asked her the other day, you know,
great to hear from you. This is the stance that
I've taken. Would love an answer from you. You know,
you're a self proclaimed women's sports enthusiast. How do you
feel about men competing in women's sports. And I followed
it up by saying, silence is an answer to which,

(31:50):
of course, she did not answer the question, so that
makes it very clear to me where she stands on this.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Riley, Happy, belated Memorial Day weekend, Keep up the fight
and we appreciate the time today. And encourage everybody out
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Speaker 5 (32:09):
Riley, good stuff and you and by the way, congratulations
on your book. Super awesome endorsement. Very very excited for you.

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Thank you. That is Riley Gains. Encourage you to follow her.
We'll share all the contact if you're not already following her.
And yes, you mentioned got a new book coming out
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that had a major announcement, UH breaking down the absolute

(33:44):
latest on the COVID shot Doctor Marty McCarey, FDA Commissioner.
He's author of blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong
and What it Means for our Health. We had him
on this program quite a lot during the COVID era.
He is fantastic. Congrats, I don't know if we've had
you on since you were officially confirmed, but congrats on
becoming FDA Commissioner, doctor McCarey. And what can you tell

(34:08):
us about what you guys just announced this this morning?
We played the audio, but what exactly should people out
there know about kids and pregnant women when it comes
to the COVID shot.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, great to be with you, Clay, and it's good
to be back on your show. You know, we are
bringing back gold standard science and common sense, and we've
got a dilemma in this country, and that is the
government keeps pushing every year that every healthy young girl
needs a shot every year for the rest of their life.

(34:43):
And the regulatory process has been set up such that
no clinical trial or clinical data needs to be submitted
each year for the acdator rubber stamped these COVID shots
for young, healthy people, and so we're bringing back science
to the process. We are saying that in order for

(35:04):
this shot to be approved by the FDA in healthy people,
we need to see some clinical trial data to support
that it works and that it's safe and effective. We
can't just blindly represtand these applications each year in perpetuity.
Forever there was a theory that people could benefit from
these shots each year. The theory is unproven. We'd like

(35:27):
to see some scientific support.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
When you look back now on Joe Biden saying things
like our patients is wearing thin and that we were
going to have a winter of death, will there ever
really be any consequences. I know Joe Biden's no longer president,
but for people out there who felt pressured because of
the actions of the federal government, I'm still angry about it.

(35:52):
I know probably you still are. I know a lot
of our audiences. Is this to you. The things that
are happening now a form of sort of resolution and
restitution for people out there who feel like they were
led astray.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Well, people want closure because they feel that they've been
lied to about some of the issues around COVID and
the vaccine mandates, the vaccine booster mandates for college kids
who are completely healthy. And so when you look at
what's happening today, you've got this medical elite still living

(36:32):
on an island disconnected from most of the American public.
You have statistics that are mind boggling that speak to
that disconnect, like eighty five percent of healthcare workers did
not get the COVID booster last season. So on one hand,
we've had this government medical establishment machine pounding and insisting

(36:55):
that everybody gets a booster every year for the rest
of their life, even if they're totally healthy, and a
public that has basically moved on and said, no, thank you,
We don't really trust you as much anymore. If you
look at the numbers on public trust, they've really gone
down the toilet. The amount of the percent of Americans
that trust doctors and hospitals went from seventy one percent

(37:18):
just before COVID to forty percent last year. That's a
gigantic thirty one point drop, and it's because the worst
thing you can do in the field of medicine is
to put out a recommendation with intense absolutism when the
data just is not there to support it. It's an idea,
it's a theory.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm so glad that you have the role that you
do now because you were right on so much and
you were willing to take the slings and arrows that
came with it. So was doctor Bodacharias, so was RFK Junior.
I give credit to the Wall Street Journal editorial board,
to Bucks show, to this show for places out there
that we're willing to have these conversations. How much personal

(37:59):
validation and now do you take for something that I'm
sure when you were at Johns Hopkins was getting you
unrelenting criticism to be in the position that you are
in now alongside of doctor Bodicharia, who was very outspoken
at Stanford in a way that he suffered a lot
of personal consequences, and certainly RFK Junior. Now the three
of you who made this announcement today, how much personal

(38:22):
vindication do you feel and how much do you think
you're vindicating science, which is about opposing ideas, Like the
whole idea of science is to challenge conventional authority. That's
the very basis of science itself. This world that we
ended up in where I'm the expert, you aren't allowed
to challenge doctor Fauci saying I am the science. It's
actually the antithesis of everything that science, in many ways

(38:44):
should represent.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Well, it's the censorship industrial complex that silenced expert physicians
from respected academic institutions that simply disagreed with doctor Fauci
or questions about the absolutism of the COVID recommendations. That
was an ugly chapter in our nation's history, and I
hope we never go back there. We're doing a lot

(39:09):
to promote transparency and civil discourse now. I hope we
can rebuild trust and the scientific process of wrestling and
debating on ideas. At the FDA, we're doing a lot
now with forums and bringing in people with different ideas
to debate how we can do things differently, how we

(39:30):
can address our chronic disease epidemic, how we can rethink
our food supply.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
But to some.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Degree, to be honest, Clay, I feel like we lost
in some of the battles that we fought during COVID.
In the Biden administration, we fought like crazy to get
the schools back open, and it was very divided. It
was very polarizing, and for some crazy reason, it fell
along partisan lines it shouldn't have, and we fought like

(39:58):
crazy for the kids. For the most part, we were
not able to get the schools back open during most
of that, you know, after the fall of twenty twenty,
for the next for almost a year after that. So
it's a sad chapter. You know, kids are still reeling
back and they're trying to recover. We have to, you know,

(40:19):
almost rescue these kids now and give them special attention
because of the learning loss. And I think the greatest
untold story of the COVID battles was that the populations
hurt the worst were the poor and minority communities in
the United States. I practiced at the time at Johns
Hopkins and in East Baltimore. I mean, you close those

(40:41):
schools and send the kids home with an iPad. It's
not like your country club suburbs that are wealthy, and
those kids took a horrible beating from these misguided COVID policies.
So we're trying to rebuild public trust. Secretary Kennedy's got
a great vision. Jay Bodichari is doing it. Amendment Oz
is a trans transformational leader at CMS. And we're doing
everything we can at the FDA to focus on our

(41:04):
mission of delivering more cures for the American public and
healthier food for children.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
What do you think, having been through these battles, you
just hammered And I think it's the worst part of COVID, frankly,
is the fact that the poorest among us, the public
school kids. I was public school kid K to twelve,
A lot of them left and didn't come back to
school for over a year. In physical person, these are
the kids that have the less resources, don't have private tutors,

(41:29):
don't have the ability to go to private school like
Gavin Newsom's kids do. When you hear Randy Weingarten now
say that she was working super hard to try to
reopen schools, what's your reaction.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
Well, her group edited the school opening policy of the
CDC to make it stricter, and those edits were incorporated in.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
The final version that was published by the Biden administration
and the CDC. And that was tragic because you did
not have a scientific document. You had a document that
was interfered with by a special interest group at the
expense of children. So there's a lot of lessons we
should learn from COVID, but I think the biggest lesson

(42:12):
is that we should let scientists be scientists and do
their job.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
The announcement again today, you came on this show for years,
and I want to give you credit. I mean, my
two youngest kids were certainly not ever going to get
the COVID shot based on the data, and we talked
a lot about natural immunity and the impact that it
was going to have. It's been five years, and I

(42:39):
know for many people out there it feel still like
the snap of fingers. What has to happen for public
trust in health to return to where it was pre COVID.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I think we have to be successful as a new
team coming in. I think we have to be incredibly transparent.
I think we have to the big issues of our
day that we are not talking about. You know, COVID
was a snapshot into how you saw a ruling class
in America create rules for themselves that benefit it themselves.

(43:12):
They could send their kids to private schools, the country
clubs were booming throughout COVID. They for a lot of
the zoomocracy in America. They were going to work now
in their pajamas on video conferencing. Come to Inner City Baltimore.
It was an entirely different story, and you saw sort
of the tyranny of the ruling class right rules for themselves.

(43:35):
And it's not just with COVID, it is also with
the great public health issues of our day. Why do
forty percent of American kids have a chronic disease? If
you think about what we've been taught in medical school.
It's this weird dynamic where we sort of blame kids
for being sick. We don't talk about the food supplies

(44:00):
the availability of healthy foods, food chemicals, food ingredients, all
the stuff that are coming up in the Make America
Healthy Again report that came out a week ago. That
is a fresh new perspective because we can't just keep
talking about financing our broken healthcare system. We have to
talk about fixing it, and to fix it, we have

(44:20):
to get at these root causes. So we're changing the
conversation from just talking about chemotherapy and insulin to actually
talking about environmental exposures and the food we eat and
school lunch programs. You're seeing action on the SNAP waivers
by the USDA so that government dollars aren't going to

(44:41):
all this sugary junk food in the SNAP program. You're
seeing some movement we've never seen before. So to rebuild
public trust, in my opinion, Clay, we'll do it best
by succeeding at actually making progress on improving the health
of the population by addressing these root causes.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Last question for you, when you are out traveling and
we're talking, doctor Martin McCarey, the FDA commissioner. His book
is I want to make sure that I get this right.
The most recent book is Ali texts me that again,
I'll get it before we leave blind spots. When you
still see people wearing masks going on airplanes, when you

(45:22):
still see kids, sometimes I can't believe this is happening,
still wearing masks. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Well, part of me thinks I don't know what their
personal clinical situation is. But the other part of me
thinks it may be somebody who's entirely young and healthy,
who has been misled and given a false sense of
security that if they do this one mitigation step that
somehow they're going to help achieve a COVID zero world.

(45:51):
Which remember, for a lot of COVID there was actually
this mindset that we would get to zero COVID, that
we would eradicate the virus. And so when I see somebody,
I think, I don't blame them, I blame the people
who have given them the impression that if you wear
a mask in public every day for the rest of
your life, as a young, healthy person, you're going to

(46:14):
somehow live a healthier, greater life. Kids have been had
their face covered for nearly three years over some of
this dogma in parts of the country, and the kids
are sad. I mean the kids. There's one in four
teen girls is being treated for depression, and so there
are statistics that tell us we've got to not just

(46:37):
have a myopic focus on viral transmission of one virus,
but instead treat the entire person as a living, beautiful
human being.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
And that's where I.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Hope we can go.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Doctor Marty mccairy, Congratulations, FDA Commissioner. The book Blind Spots
when medicine gets it wrong and what it means for
our health. Thank you for fighting so hard during COVID
and thank you for fighting so hard for a still
big announcement today. Appreciate the times.

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Good to be with you.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Thanks kay.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Doctor Marney McCarey one of the heroes, along with doctor Bodicharia.
I hope that when history is written of the COVID era,
that guys like him, and guys like doctor Botacharia and
many others who were willing to speak up against the
tidal wave of inhumanity and anti science, that their stories

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(49:17):
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and I encourage you to go download the podcast make
sure you don't miss a moment. Great guest hits with

(49:41):
Riley Gains and with doctor Marty McCarey. You just heard
from in the second hour. It's just us here in
the third hour, and there's several different things that I
want to hit that I think are particularly important coming
out of the weekend. So I'm gonna play several of
these things. But I want to start with Democrats are now.

(50:03):
This is from the New York Times, doing a deep
dive on what went wrong in twenty twenty four, and
they have decided that they need to do a better
job of pursuing young men. And this is this in
many ways, sounds like what you would say when you
discover a new tribe that has never had contact with

(50:27):
the outside world before. Democrats just sound completely broken when
it comes to understanding how to have a conversation with
normal men out there. And I saw this story over
the weekend in New York Times, and I just thought
to myself, Yes, we should definitely focus on this. Democrats,

(50:50):
you'll nail it. This is from the New York Times.
The perspectus for one new twenty million dollar effort, obtained
by the Times, aims to reverse the erosion of Democrats
support among young men, especially online. And again I'm reading
from the New York Times. It is code named SAM,

(51:10):
short for speaking with American men a strategic plan and
promises investment to quote study the syntax, language and content
that gains attention and virality in these spaces. It recommends
buying advertisements in video games, among other things. I have

(51:32):
talked about this quite a lot, and this is what
my new book is about. It's about how Democrats lost
young men. And I want to tell you a couple
of analogies that are in the book. You can go
buy it. Some of you are going to gasp a
bit when you hear what it's called. But let me
first thank President Trump for his endorsement. Some of you

(51:52):
may have seen this over the weekend he posted this
is President Trump. Clay Travis has a great aalcat new
book coming out November fourth, twenty twenty five, Balls, How
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(52:14):
all caps common sense. He studied our historic movement from
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And the cover of the book has two basketballs on

(52:36):
the cover. And some of you are going to say,
oh my god, like you're so immature, and yes, that
probably is somewhat true, but I also want for people
to be gripped by the argument. And the cover of
a book is not surprisingly an opportunity to grab people
and make them think about something or see something that

(52:58):
they may not have seen before. And so I've spent
a great deal of time in the last several months
diving into the data analyzing what exactly is going on
with young men, and I want to hit you with
a couple of stories that really are in the book.
And again, the book's going to be out in November.
I think you guys are really going to like it.
If you're audiobook people, I'll be reading it. Buck has

(53:20):
got a great new book that's going to be out
in January two, so we'll have a couple of good books.
And I imagine that he's going to be reading his
book too. So for those of you that are going
to be on the road and don't necessarily want to
read the book itself, you can get the audio version,
but it's up on Amazon. It's only fourteen bucks and
it'll be right there. And I appreciate President Trump for
endorsing the book. They said, hey, how do you want

(53:43):
to announce the book? And I said, well, I'd like
for President Trump to announce it. I didn't know if
he would, But on Sunday night they popped me and said, hey,
President just he's going to be endorsing your book. He
loves it. He's excited about the concept. And Trump gets
it right, Trump gets young men. But I want to
to talk to you, if you've got kids or grandkids,
I want to hit you with a couple of stories.

(54:04):
Sometimes we don't see the world through the eyes of
people who are of different ages than us, even though
we might see many of the same things that they do.
And I've got two stories that are examples and anecdotes
that are in the book that really kind of crystallize
the world for me. You guys know, I have three boys,

(54:26):
so I think about this quite a lot. Right now.
They are seventeen, fourteen, and ten, one who's going to
be a rising senior, rising ninth grader, rising fifth grader,
so fairly different ages. But in the COVID era. In
twenty twenty, my then nine year old, my middle son,
like a lot of your kids are grandkids, was obsessed

(54:47):
with football cards, basketball cards, baseball cards. I love them
when I was a kid. My boys got really into
them as well. YouTube has really I think fueled this
because you un pack, you open these, you break, as
they call it, these cards, and you go through and
you look at them and they have all sorts of

(55:07):
special cards. Really very cool. I mean, it takes me
back in time every time I walk into a card
shop with my boys, and it just reminds me of
being in the nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties for many of
you sixties seventies, whenever you were into two thousands baseball cards,
football cards, basketball cards. And we were going to Target

(55:29):
during the COVID era, everything you know, buying large shutdown.
My kids are really fired up about cards even more.
This is when YouTube it kind of took off. People
card values skyrocket, a lot of people sitting around watching.
And we walked into Target, and this is before the
Target tuck bathing suits went crazy, before Target's Pride Month insanity.

(55:53):
We walked in and my nine year old points to
the very first clothing disc play in our local target.
This is Franklin, Tennessee. This is a red county in
a red state. I'm not talking about walking in on
in Times Square or something into a target. This is Franklin,

(56:13):
Tennessee where I live in Williamson County, just south of Nashville, Tennessee,
red county, red state. And he just said they would
never have anything like and I'm paraphrasing him, they would
never have that for us. And I didn't really know
what he was talking about. He looked over. He said

(56:34):
they would never and there's this huge display all of
girl power t shirts. Girls rule, girls, you know, dominate
whatever it is, and girl power. He said, they would
never sell boy power shirts. Dad thought, you know, it's
really very interest I mean, I hadn't thought about it

(56:56):
because I'm a generation older than him, and the generation
that I grew up in is boys and girls should
be equal. Boys and girls should all be able to
be doctors or lawyers. You should all be able to
pursue whatever career you want to. We should allow, regardless
of whether you're a boy or girl, girls and boys

(57:17):
to have equal success. And I went to law school
a Vanderbilt and met his mom there. There were more
girls in my law school class than boys, and there
are way more girls now that graduate from college than
boys who graduate from college, like sixty forty. And you
can imagine if sixty percent of college degrees still went

(57:40):
to men instead of women, we would hear about it
all the time. It would be one of the top
talking points. Oh look, how sexist, Look how the patriarchy
still dominates. I mean, we're talking about sixty percent of
college degrees go to women, and the majority now of
graduate degrees go to women too. And yet you walk

(58:00):
into a Target store, according to my then nine year old,
and they get the message all the time, girls rule.
Boys basically stink and they would never have a boy
power t shirt. And he was right. And shortly thereafter
they go to public school. KA six, all my boys have.

(58:22):
One of their friends came in to the house and
he was talking about they had been having a history
lesson at school, and the history lesson that he had
taken as a young white kid was white people, white boys,
white men ruin everything. And he was kind of jokingly
sitting around and he was like, you know, mister Clay,

(58:44):
they tell us that we have all this power and
he's like, my mom doesn't even let me pick what
I get to eat for dinner. And it's funny, but
it's also kind of sad because we've raised this entire
gym generation of boys that has been told not just
white kids, Black kids, Asian kids, Hispanic kids, hey, being

(59:07):
a man, being a boy, there's something wrong with it.
Your masculinity is toxic. And what I grapple with in
this book is imagine that we raised an entire generation
of boys and we told them that their identity was toxic,

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and then we shut down their schools, and we shut
down their sports teams, and we told them that COVID
was dangerous and masculinity is toxic, and they didn't get
to go to prom, and they didn't get to finish
their basketball season or their soccer seasons. And young girls
are part of this too, but I think boys in
particular is what I focused on because of the data.

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They're profoundly angry. Young white, Hispanic, Asian and Black men
are profoundly angry. And I really think that Trump, even
though he's their grandfather, channels their anger at the establishment

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that took away part of their youth, that told all
of them at birth. Hey, you're toxic because you're masculine.
Is it any wonder that they would be deeply searching
for purpose in life? And then you downgrade religion, You

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tell them that being a provider is somewhat toxic too,
that they should be beta male versions of themselves. They
are fundamentally rejecting what I would call is the girl
power era, and they're saying, there's nothing wrong with being

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a boy, there's nothing wrong with growing up to be
a man. And I think that a lot of moms
out there right now are listening because you're raising boys.
And I think a lot of grandmas are looking around
like when did all the men in the world turn
into pussy willows? And I think that Trump has channeled
that anger. And I also think that the younger boys

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are actually more conservative than the young boys who broke
in huge numbers. And there's a big data analysis in
this book Balls and again, you got to grab people's attention.
There's a big part in the book. Do you know
the two trumpiest voting groups in America in the twenty
twenty four election were men over the age of sixty

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five and young men twenty four and younger I bet
never in history have young men and older men been
more aligned than they are right now. And the older
men are like, this whole generation BS. But you know what,
the younger men are saying, You're right, Grandpa, This whole
generation is BS. Now. People like me are kind of

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in the middle right because I think we grew up
in the era of Hey, women should be able to
be successful. Yeah, good, go be a doctor, go be
a lawyer. That's fine. But I think this younger generation,
it's moved from women should be successful to men are bad.
We have dragged down men to elevate women. And I
think they see it, they feel it, they're being taught it.

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And so this book that I wrote is a complete
examination of that era, and I don't think anybody else
has told the story. Again, comes through the world of sports, COVID,
All of it rolls together to create what may be
the most conservative generation that any of us have ever
seen in terms of young men. And I see it
as a dad because the younger men are moving even

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more conservative, and the line of demarcation to me is COVID.
COVID was the breaking point, the point in time where
a lot of these young men said no, we're being
lied to. If you lied to me about COVID, why
should I listen to you about gender issues? Why should
I trust you on anything? And I think Trump and
his disruptive bravery. I'll talk about that in a second

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when I come back, connects with them on a visceral level. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic,
because not just white kids, it's young men of all ages.
The data is reflecting. Let's talk about it when you
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