Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Jun 02 2025

Good vs. Evil A focus on national security and immigration enforcement under President Donald Trump, highlighting a major ICE operation dubbed “Operation Patriot,” which targeted over 1,500 high-value criminal illegal aliens. Sexton praises the Trump administration’s proactive stance on border security and law enforcement, contrasting it with previous Democratic policies. The show then shifts to international affairs, covering a significant Ukrainian drone strike on Russian bombers, which people are calling Ukraine's Hezbollah pager moment. He emphasizes the strategic implications and the evolving nature of modern warfare. A disturbing antisemitic attack in Boulder, Colorado, where an illegal immigrant from Egypt allegedly threw incendiary devices at a vigil for Israeli hostages. Sexton links the attack to broader concerns about immigration enforcement and national security, reinforcing President Trump’s warnings about the risks posed by unchecked illegal immigration. Social Engineering Title IV A major segment is dedicated to a controversial incident in California where a biological male identifying as female won the state girl’s high school track championship. Sexton critiques the media’s coverage, particularly CNN’s framing of the issue, and features commentary from attorney Julie Hamill, who argues that such policies violate Title IX and federal civil rights law. The discussion underscores the Trump administration’s position on protecting women’s sports and enforcing legal definitions of sex and gender. Interview featuring Julie Hamill, attorney and president of the California Justice Center, who critiques California’s gender identity policies and their conflict with federal Title IX protections. Hamill explains how California’s AB 1266 and similar laws undermine sex-based rights for women and girls in sports and education, sparking viral attention after her CNN appearance. The conversation emphasizes the legal and societal implications of redefining gender in law, with a focus on protecting biological women’s rights in athletics and public spaces. The segment also explores the broader political ramifications, including the role of President Donald Trump’s administration in challenging these policies and advocating for a return to sex-based legal definitions. The hosts and Hamill discuss the need for federal legislation to clarify Title IX, the pending lawsuits against California’s gender laws, and the cultural resistance to acknowledging biological differences in policy debates. The Future of Warfare Transitioning to international affairs, the show analyzes a major Ukrainian drone strike on Russian airbases, highlighting the strategic and financial impact on Russia’s military infrastructure. Buck Sexton, drawing on his CIA and intelligence background, frames the attack as a glimpse into the future of warfare—dominated by drones, AI, and autonomous systems. The discussion underscores President Trump’s efforts to broker a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine, emphasizing his leadership and diplomatic strategy amid global instability. Sen. Markwayne Mullin on the Big Beautiful Bill An in-depth interview with Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullen, who provides exclusive insights into the much-anticipated “big beautiful bill.” This legislation, a cornerstone of the Trump administration’s economic agenda, aims to slash $1.6 trillion in deficit spending immediately, marking a significant departure from traditional 10-year budget cut plans. Senator Mullen outlines how this bill aligns with key Trump-era policies, including eliminating taxes on tips, overtime, and Social Security, and emphasizes the importance of fiscal responsibility and reconciliation to implement these reforms. The conversation also explores the political divide within the GOP, with Mullen addressing concerns from fellow Republicans like Senato

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. It kicks off right now. Thank
you so much for being here. As you know, Clay
on vacation. He's having a great time. Checked in with
him this morning. He'll be back with us on Friday.
So it's just me for the next few days. Buck,
I will refrain from speaking again to the third person.

(00:26):
Thank you for being here as old and We've got
a lot of news stories. Honestly, today is one of
these days we are stacked. I've also got some great
guests lined up. I'll tell you more about that in
a bit, though they're in the second and third hours.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
You have.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Ukraine says that it hit dozens of Russian bombers in
a really sophisticated drone attack. I'll take you through some
of that. People are calling this Ukraine's Hesbala Pager moment.
Not sure it's well, Actually it is pretty I was
gonna say it's not quite as sophisticated, but it's pretty close.
It was a spectacular attack in the sense of caught

(01:02):
the Russians very much by surprise, a lot of damage
done and of military targeting. We shall discuss that we've
got the champion, this young man, and this is gonna
be tough, but we have to just speak about this.
But heck, she's not tough. I was gonna say, we'll

(01:23):
just speak about this the way that we should, because
it's what is factual. A young man has won the
California track state championship for women. And there was a
clip I'm going to walk you through this, a clip
on CNN or a segment on CNN where a a

(01:44):
attorney and the president of the California Justice Center, Julie Hammill,
goes through piece by piece with a CNN anchor who
is effectively delusional, I mean, calling this person her and
she and what about her feelings and all this stuff
for the biological male who just beat all the girls

(02:05):
in California in track. And this is a violation of
federal law, this is a violation of common sense. And
when you hear this exchange, I think you will find
it is remarkably illuminating about how the left is not
backing down on this stuff. And the left is insane.
They have not moved away from this issue, So we

(02:27):
shall dive into that. But you know, first up, I
just finished watching a few moments ago they were talking
about a major ICE operation underway. Major ICE operation underway,
or rather it's still underway, but they've had initial results
in fifteen hundred high value target criminal aliens who are

(02:52):
in the country. Now, I remember, these aren't just people
who are here illegally. These are people who are here
illegally and do bad things and break the law and
pray on their on Americans and their fellow human beings.
So these are the top priorities that exist out there
for enforcements. When it comes to immigration and deportation operations.

(03:16):
They call that Operation Patriot. They had to think somebody
from the ICE office in Boston talking about this, but
this is absolutely essential. One of the things that I
love about this administration is they aren't just stopping the
crazy stuff that the other side, or rather refraining from
doing the same crazy stuff that the Democrats were doing. Yes,

(03:39):
that's an improvement, but they're also saying, hold on a second,
that's illegal. We're not going to allow you. We're going
to stop you from doing the crazy things, whether it's
the transgender you know, men and women's sports stuff, or
now this sanctuary city complete, you know, forgetting about the

(03:59):
rule of low stuff on immigration and the reasons for this.
Or rather we got a reminder of how important this
is with this attack in Colorado that happens. Now, let
me give you what the situation. What the situation is.
A guy went to this was in Boulder, Colorado on Sunday.

(04:25):
A guy yell's free Palestine and threw incendiary devices into
this crowd. In Boulder, Colorado, there was a demonstration to
remember the Israeli hostages who remain in Gaza. So think
about this for a moment. There's a group of people
who have gotten together to just stand in solidarity with

(04:46):
and remind the public about the fact that there are
still hostages who are being held by Hamas, which I
would also remind everybody violation of Geneva Convention wor crime itself.
It's a decision that they have made. These are terrorists.
These are terrorists. They have hostages that are dying and

(05:08):
that they've killed in their custody, and they have more
and they refuse to give them back because they are
terrorists and they are the enemies of civilization and do
not forget that Hamas is an enemy of civilization anywhere
in the world and should be treated as such. I
do not view Hamas as distinct or different from a

(05:28):
group like al Qaeda. I think that they share the
baseline ideology that makes them as vicious as they are,
and why they it is as necessary as it is
to meet them on the battlefield and to destroy them.
That's how I view Hamas. I don't want to sit
around and talk about, Oh, maybe there's some future where
Hamas is not going to be so crazy anyway. So
there's this demonstration taking place in Boulder, Colorado for Israeli hostages,

(05:54):
and this lunatic runs up to them, and you had
eight people who are transport of the hospital. He threw
in sandiary devices I assume something like a like a
Molotov cocktail, some sort of incendiary device like that, and
people were burned and they had to be taken directly

(06:15):
to the hospital as a result. Yeah, that burns on
their legs, badly burned on most of her. One of
them appear to be badly burned on most of her body,
wrapped in a flag by a bystander. Horrific trying to
lighting people on fire. That's what this meaning. I did
he lit people on fire at a Let's remember the hostages.

(06:39):
Think about the psychological damage that these hostages and their
families are still going through. Any day, some savage from
Hamasque could execute them. If it's a woman in custody.
We know what they've been doing to women in custody.
I mean, these people are barbarians. Barbarians, and there is
a gathering of those who want to remind all of

(07:00):
us of what's going on here. You know, the pro Hamas,
pro Gaza Free Palestine maniacs that are out there. They
hate talk of the hostages because what they really want
is this pretense that they have the moral high ground.
There's a genocide in Gaza, maybe the quote unquote genocide.

(07:21):
It is not a genocide, but maybe what they call
genocide would stop if Hamas would just give back the
hostages that it has in its and it could do
so tomorrow, it could have done so at any point
since it started this war. And Hamas did start this war,
as we know with October seventh. So that brings me
to this individual, who it turns out was here on

(07:42):
a tourist visa. Fox News was the first that I
saw reported this. It was authorized to stay till February
twenty twenty three, stayed in the country illegally, applied for asylum,
received a work permit which was valid through March of
twenty twenty five. Stayed in the country illegally. That's something

(08:07):
that we have to remind ourselves of here. So we
just suffered a terrorist attack from an illegal That's what happened.
That's not the way that the here you go, here
you go. Here's how Reuters, here's how Routers covers this.
I just told you what really happened. And illegal who
yelled free Palestine and lit people on fire, engaged in

(08:29):
a anti Semitic terrorist attack on US soil. And he was
only here because he had evaded our immigration laws. You know,
Trump has been talking about this all along. Yet another
moment where you say, oh wow, Trump is right that
we have risks. We have risks to our security that

(08:49):
come from these individuals, that come from these individuals who
enter illegally or stay illegally after legal entry, which is
the case here, and that is is unacceptable and one
of the reasons they're such a risk. It's not just
that they break the law. We don't know who they are.
They are effectively off radar. Once they stay beyond they're

(09:11):
allowed time, or once they enter illegally, we don't know
what they're up to. We don't know what they're doing.
And now you have people who had to be rushed
to the hospital after being lit on fire at a
peaceful vigil for hostages because some illegal alien maniac was
in the country. Suspect named as Mohammed Saliman. Yeah, that's

(09:32):
the suspect's name. So eight people injured in this in
illegal engage in a terrorist attack. A reminder of why
it is so important and so urgent to get criminal
illegals out of this country as quickly as possible, because
we've allowed a lot of maniacs like this one to

(09:54):
come into the country. And you could say, oh, what
they always do is they try to get you to
focus on the people that just want a better life
for themselves, and well, the problem is we can't just
allow people who want a better life for themselves to
come into the country at will, because then this country
would cease to exist. We can't handle it. It wouldn't be
America anymore, it would be something else. And Democrats want

(10:14):
to turn it into that as quickly as they can,
and there's a whole bunch of reasons why we can
get to the psychology behind that. But in the meantime,
we are here saying, and the Trump administration is saying
enough enough. Eight people lit on fire at a protest
by this maniac. It's appalling, and it shows you how

(10:37):
critical it is that Trump's work and the administration's work
continues on this. And then you have the true imbeciles
over places like CNN, where I used to be a
terrorism analyst and I was always right, you know my room.
My record was for saying, this is jihadis terrorism, and
it turned out to be a gehadas terrorism one hundred percent.

(10:59):
In fact, they had people that they brought on TV.
This is a true story. They brought me on TV
once at CNN to analyze terror attack because I had
worked at a little place called the CIA Kunter Terrorism Center.
And they actually brought on some other expert to disagree
with me. I don't remember, you know, some academic or something,
and it came out while we were on the air.

(11:19):
That's true, came out while we were on the air
that yeah, no, Actually there was like a jihad manifesto
and GI the whole thing. But they don't care. The
point is they want to feel good about themselves for
thinking this isn't a Muslim jie hottist thing, this is
some other thing. I don't want to jump to conclusions.
We may never know the motive. We may never know

(11:40):
the motive. Here's former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and
Harvard professor Juliet Kayem. She's a true she was the
one I was talking about last week. I't to tell
you that she's a true imbecile. Shechs at Harvard imbecile.
Here they are. This is them on the CNN panel
after this attack, play seven.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
It's hard to imagine that the FBI has more or
better information at this point to kind of rush out
with the conclusion within like ten minutes after we all
started hearing about this, that it's a targeted active ERA
may very well be, but most of the time you
try to be very careful about attaching that label to
an attack until you have solid evidence that indicates a

(12:19):
motive that would qualify as terrorism, like an act intended
to intimidate a population or to change the direction of government.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
It's not good for the community. It's not good for
the potentially targeted community. It makes law enforcement look disorganized,
and it makes the FBI look so juvenile, like, why
are you getting ahead of the police chief?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
A Muslim guy who's an illegal alien through a molotov
cocktail at a bunch of Jews at a free the
hostages protest, and he yelled, free Palestine.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think we know what's going on here, right, I
think we all understand why this guy did what he did.
And yet they go on CNN and they say this
because part of the mandate of the left, part of
the mandate of the Democrat Party these days, is to

(13:16):
continue to continue trying to help these Democrats live in
an alternate universe because they're so wrong on so many things,
and it's becoming more and more apparent with every day,
and the Trump administration is exposing the truth and taking
action in ways that it becomes unavoidable for them to

(13:37):
have to start to look at this. So this is
like their fantasy escapism of well, we may never really
know gee, kind of like how I knew and Clay
knew that Biden had dementia, kind of like how we
knew that the Trans manifesto was going to talk about
how the trans terrorist in Nashville was a maniac who
hated Christians and Conservatives and it was terrorism. And they're like,

(13:58):
we don't know, we have to way the of course
we know, of course we know. But it is better
in the democrat mind to be told something so stupid,
such as we can't know you know, the real motive,
or we don't know the free Palestine guy who was
throwing the incendiary devices at the Jews yelling free Palestine,
and we don't know what's going on there. They would

(14:21):
rather be told that than you are on the side
of evil and you've been wrong on everything. That's really
what's going on here. They'd rather be talked to you
like complete idiots than have to face the reality of
you're on the wrong side. You're on the Hamas side,
you're on the Jihad side, you're on the enemies of civilization.

(14:41):
Team Libs. Wise up. They don't want to hear that.
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of civilization. Those who are fighting for civilization are brothers
and sisters in Israel, as we know there was this
horrifying attack and older Colorado shows just how clear the

(15:02):
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Speaker 1 (16:06):
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great content while you're there the Clay Travis en Buck
Sexton Show YouTube channel. We played the highlight reel for
you a few minutes ago. If you missed it, go
back to first hour playing Buck on the podcast. We
definitely want to hear it. Julie Hambl, attorney and president
of the California Justice Center, joins us. Now, Julia, appreciate
you making the time.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Thank you so much for having me now for first.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Off, before we get into the exchange you had on CNN,
which we did. I don't know if you know or
if you were able to listen in before, but we
did play a good more than half of it, I'd
say on the air, I watched it and it was
just it was astonishing, but also I guess I expect it.
So we'll get to that in a second. But can
you just from the legal perspective, tell everybody, we know

(17:13):
this story about Aby Hernandez biological male competing against women,
We know this stuff. What is the legal what is
legally at issue here? How does Title nine come into play?
What is Gavin Newsom of California doing? What's happening on
the legal front?

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, long story short. Title nine has been a federal
statute since nineteen seventy two, and it's very simple. It
is sex based protections for you can't discriminate against girls
and women in educational programs, including sports, and so there's
supposed to be equal opportunity for women and girls in

(17:52):
educational programs including sports. California, back in twenty thirteen past
this law AB twelve sixty six, which is now Education
Code Section to twenty one point five s that says
schools must allow students to use the facilities and play
on a sports team that aligns with their gender identity

(18:14):
instead of sex. So that essentially turns Title nine on
its head, and we've had that in place for over
a decade in California. Now it mirrors almost identically Biden's
Title nine rule that he put in place in twenty
twenty four that was enjoined by a number of federal
district courts. So those courts said in their decisions, you

(18:37):
cannot create a regulation or a rule that completely flies
in the face of what the statute says. This completely
subverts Title nine. It does the opposite of what Title
nine was supposed to do by allowing males into the
female spaces, into female sports, into female academic programs. Nonsense.

(19:01):
Any thinking, sane human being can recognize it immediately, which
is why I'm frankly shocked that this interview is getting
so much attention because it was simply it's just common sense.
I was only saying things that most of America is thinking.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
And what that is.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well, yeah, it went. It went super viral, I think
for the reason that, and I'm glad that it did,
Julie over the weekend, because you are just you are
just saying in a very calm tone, and everyone heard it.
We played it. Here's the reality, and the CNN anchor
has this almost like otherworldly detached But what about people

(19:40):
who are assigned female at birth who uses this kind
of language, Like, you know, we just had Mother's Day recently.
You know, this is like the birthing people's day phenomenon
that we've heard. Like, no normal person thinks that this
should be normal. And let me ask you this taking
California's policy due to its logical conclusion. Let's say I

(20:03):
was an employee in the state of California and I
wanted to claim discrimination as a woman because I say
that I identify as a woman. On what grounds could
California tell me that I couldn't sue for sex based
discrimination against me as a woman?

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Like?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
How do how is it legally codified what you identify as?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
It is actually legally codified. It's freaking nonsense. So we
in addition to AB twelve sixty six, we also have
the unru Civil Rights Act, which defines discrimination based on
gender identity as a violation of California civil rights law.
So it's not just in schools, it's not just adults,

(20:45):
it's not just children, it's also adults. In California has
literally legislated gender ideology into statute, which is so absolutely nuts.
I don't think people really understand the consequences of what
has been done here.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, well, then to take me through this, because yeah,
that is so nuts. I didn't even know that they
had done that. How how do you qualify as identifying
as a different gender? What has to be done? Because
it can't be sex change operation because that's actually only
a you know, a pretty small percentage of of these individuals.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
It's a feeling. It's a feeling. Do you feel like
a woman today? You're a woman's?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Well, so then I'm right. So then I could I
could say I feel like a woman. I can't believe
saying it's out loud, and I think I'm being discriminated
against in my California job as a woman, and I'm
suing and they would have to try to prove that
I'm not actually a woman.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yes, yes, that's an absolute bonkers nonsense.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I you know, I said, what is now the next
step on this?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Because I think the sit down that you had or
the conversation you had on CNN was very uh illuminating.
I mean also just things like we need more study
to see if biological males have an advantage in sports.
This is this is like members of the Communist Party,
or maybe even just like everyday people within the Soviet

(22:14):
Union saying, yes, we're all starving, but the grain harvest
this year was the best grain harvest in history. Like
this is that level of crazy because we all know that.
Obviously the basis of men and women having segregated sports
is that it wouldn't be fair if they didn't, right,
That's otherwise we would just have you know, men and
women right can apply to work in an investment bank,

(22:35):
we don't have the men the men position the women position.
It's different in sports because of the physical differences. So
are you are you going to bring suit? Is this
going to get up to appeals? Is this going to
go to Scotus? Like what happens now?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
So there are lawsuits pending right now. The Advocates for
Faith and Freedom group out of San Diego filed a
lawsuit that is pending in the Central District right now.
Our US Attorney Bill as Saley has filed a statement
of interest, and so the government is getting involved in
that one. That is challenging EBE twelve sixty six. I

(23:09):
hope it goes to SCOTUS. In the meantime, though, the
Trump administration is very much motivated and acting very quickly
here and they are coming in with the full way
of the Department of Justice, and I believe that we
will see results soon hopefully.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, what do you think about the pulling because this
came up in your conversation. Let's you know, what do
you think about the pulling of federal funds of California
does not comply with Title nine rooted in an understanding
of gender as a thing that is real, or rather
men and women are things that are different and distinguishable
under law.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Well, this is so crazy to me that the anchor,
with a straight face said to me that there are
different interpretations of Title nine, that there are people who
believe that gender identity is the thing that should be
protected and not sex. So for that reason, we need
to legislate this at the congressional level. We need a

(24:12):
federal statute to clarify that Title nine is sex based,
which does not include gender identity. It is your biological sex.
The fact that we have to do that is absolutely
it's terrifying to me. We've reached Orwellian levels of insanity
in this country. But in order to protect future generations,

(24:34):
we have to have this spelled out in statute, because
as soon as we don't have a Republican administration, we're
going to have this crazy leftist interpretation of Title nine again,
and they're going to allow males to compete against girls,
share facilities with girls, and there's nothing we can really
do about it.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
So how it's just see my problem with this is
I still come back to if they say that, and
as you pointed out that in California there's a gender
identity protection law, how can you legally law you know,
if somebody said, buck, how can you lawfully or legally
identify a man or woman? I'm like, well, we know
what a man is, we know what a woman is. Right,

(25:15):
It's like you sit there, you go, that's a man,
that's a woman. How could you identify or rather, how
could you codify gender identity without it excluding people who
claim to be covered under gender identity, or rather without
it being so vague that it could be anything.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Well, the people that deify the Defense of Freedom Institute
have actually proposed model legislation for this. It's like the
Protect Title nine Acts. You can go to their website
and it's there, and they've done that and they and
Bill A. Staley when he was in our state's legislature
right before he got appointed to the US Attorney position,
also introduced a bill called AB eight forty four, which

(25:56):
would have done the same thing.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
But that's defining men and women in law, right, Yes, yeah, No,
What what I'm saying is, how could you define gender
identity in law? Because it isn't a thing.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's defined in various places in California statute, it's it's
not consistent. It's always something different. And then if you
look at school district policies, these different school districts throughout
California have also taken a stab at trying to define it.
But it is a nebulous concept that it's ever changing.
It's not immutable. It's not going to be protected by

(26:29):
the Supreme Court in equal protection cases because it's not
an immutable characteristic like sex. You cannot change your sex.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yes, So do you think this is to me? It
feels like this just has to go to the Supreme
Court and there has to be some you know, clarify.
It's amazing clarifying ruling from the Supreme Court that men
and women are different and we can know the difference.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Why why do we have to do this? Why can
we not have people come to their senses and start
speaking rationally and happy.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, it feels like democrats because you're asking a very
important question, But it feels like democrats to what you
said before, they're just trying to ride this thing out
until they're in power again, and then it's going to
be the lunacy of Yeah, this is the you know,
men in women's locker rooms, met against women on the
sports field, you know, men and women's prisons.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, and the really Orwellian part about it is that
they're saying men are women. They are women. They're not right,
of course, they're actually women now because they say they
are these these are women and you must accept that.
And if you don't accept that, you're a bigot.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, have you ever seen this is what I always
tell everybody is the is the true ultimate ends of this.
There have been a few people who have tried this,
you see like blogs or you know, stuff on like
HuffPo or The Nation or some of those you know
communist looney bins online where they they try to make
the case that if you're a straight man who is
not attracted to trans women, you're bigot it. Have you
ever seen that that bubbles up here and there, and

(28:02):
as I point out to everybody, based on what you
just said, which is that the real belief is that
trans women are women indistinguishable from women. The ultimate logic
of this is there's a problem with guys who aren't
attracted to trans women.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, it's okay. One of the most disturbing elements here
is what they're doing to children. I'm laughing right now,
but it's really dark. It's actually incredibly dark. And I'm
on a school board out here in Palace Verde, and
we had this book that we have fifth grade teachers
like these are ten year old kids. They're being read
a book called Too Bright to See, which says it

(28:41):
literally says in the book, a trans woman is a woman,
full stop, and anything else is bigotry. And that is
what they are teaching little kids.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's all they are teaching kids. The sky is green.
They are teaching kids can see. They look at the sky,
it's blue, and there are books that say the sky
is green, and we're supposed to accept that.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yes, this is nineteen eighty four come to life.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
It is great. Well, Julie, appreciate the work you're doing
on this. What's your organizations if anyone wants to go
help donate any of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
So I am the president of the California Justice Center.
We are supported by the California Policy Center, which is
a nonprofit organization. If you want to donate and support
my work, that is where to go. You can find
my handle on Twitter at hamml Hmill Underscore Law.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
Well.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Great work, keeping your cool and keeping it calm and collected.
While you know, while one of the commissars was trying
to go through the talking points on CNN, I appreciate
you making the time for us.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
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I go back now, I think I got my first
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up my gold reserves ever since. And it's been a

(30:08):
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continues to go up in value. So this is just
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slash buck. We are gonna take a moment here. I'm
just gonna I'm gonna chalk you through this. This was
really interesting over the weekend, this drone attack in Ukraine

(31:56):
that got a lot of headlines. Now keep in mind,
right now, there is a negotiation that's happening, or at
least there's the beginnings of negotiations underway between Russia and Ukraine.
So they're going into peace talks, and it comes right
in the aftermath of this this strike. And here's what

(32:17):
Here's what we know so far. There's a there's a
lot of footage and video of it because they the
drones relayed back in real time what they were doing,
so you have footage of these attacks that are now
that have been circulated, and they were hitting they were

(32:37):
hitting these planes on these Russian planes on the tarmac.
Here's what we know. So Ukraine got one hundred and
seventeen drones aerial drones into trucks, and the trucks were Russian,
and they somehow contracted with these trucks, contracted these trucks

(33:01):
to go to the perimeter of four Russian air bases.
One of them was in Siberia. I mean this is
way far. This is a couple This is thousands of
miles from the actual Ukraine border, so way deep inside Russia.
They got these drones to be on these trucks and

(33:23):
then the drones activated. They obviously had them on a
remote control setup. The drones activated and were able to
attack forty Russian strategic bomber aircraft, which is which is
about a little more than a third of Russia's strategic

(33:44):
cruise missile carriers. The estimated cost of this to Russia
is seven billion dollars. Okay, and you know, We've got
a much bigger military budget than Russia. We've got much
more in the way of these kinds strategic assets that
we could well we wouldn't want to have to rebuild them,
but you know, we have much better resourcing than they do.

(34:06):
So you can imagine seven billion dollars of Russian military
hardware that hurts people have been talking about this as
the pager remember the Hesbela Mossad pager operation where the
pagers blew up in the hands or on the waists.
Really of these Hesbela operatives because they managed to get

(34:28):
into their supply chain and it was as you know,
I mean, I spent some time in the CIA and
was aware of some pretty remarkable CIA operations. A lot
of the really good ones have been are public and
they've even made movies about some of them. But you know,
the CIA has done some pretty cool stuff in the past,
or i should say impressive stuff. That pager operation by

(34:50):
the Israelis is the stuff of intelligence espionage legend. This this
drone attack was I'm just talking tactic impressive, all right. Now,
Whether you're worried about this some kind of escalation or
anything else, that that's another part of the conversation. But
this comes after Russia has been really escalating its military

(35:16):
strikes on particular I'm sorry, it's strikes particularly on civilians,
not on military targets. Russia has been just blowing up
a lot a lot of civilians while we're supposed to
get this opening for a ceasefire. Really, that's what you
need first, ceasefire means the guns are silent and at
least you're not taking active casualties. And then you can
continue to hammer out what a what a meaningful end

(35:42):
of the conflict would be. You know what what a
you know, a treaty or misstics, whatever it's going to be.
However you end it, you can figure it out. But
first you want to get to a ceasefire so you're
not losing people, there's not bloodshed unnecessarily. But Trump has
been very clear he is deeply unhappy with Putin's response

(36:04):
to the efforts to get him into a conversation here
about ending this war. And this is something that I
was concerned about. Look, everyone's concerned about it. It's not
easy what Trump is trying to do here. What he's
trying to accomplish would be an incredible win, but it's
certainly worth trying because the alternative is that you have

(36:27):
people dying in large numbers on the front between Russian
and Ukraine to our side of things. And I try
to be very clear, there's Ukrainian and Russian interests here,
and there's American interest which I am primarily concerned with,
and I wish that there was no fighting going on
over there, just like I wish there was no fighting

(36:49):
going on between Israel and Hamas, and I wish there
was no fighting and ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan.
And this is what we live in a nasty world,
as you know, and there's no way to just snap
your fingers and make these things go away. And you
can't just let the bad guys go without any response.
So on our side of things, though, with Russia Ukraine,

(37:12):
we are funding this, And yes, I know that there's
the argument that's being made that we are and this
I'm uncomfortable with this argument on a number of in
a number of ways, that we are bleeding Russia so
that we won't have to fight them. I don't think
that we have to worry about fighting Russia. Russia militarily

(37:33):
is nowhere near what it would need to be to
pose a threat to US interests, I know, other than
the nuclear arsenal, but we're Russia is not looking to
create a nuclear holocaust of the entire planet. I'm pretty
confident in that we are working on now, thanks to Trump,
the Golden Dome system, which I think will give us
even more peace of mind. That's to me more for Iran,

(37:55):
North Korea, you know, rogue state actors, where it's not
just the possile ability that they may get crazy enough
that they want to launch, which is there. The more
you I'll tell you this, the more you read about
North Korea, I've learned a fair bit. I mean, I'm
because I find it fascinating. It's a little bit though.
North Korea is terrifying to the point where like you

(38:18):
need to go if you really read up on it,
and I mean you get into the history of it
and what it's like there, you got to go for
a walk in the sunshine afterwards, because it will you
kind of feel in your soul how could this be
happening today today in the world. How could a place
be so horrific and so crazy and such a vile tyranny.

(38:41):
But so yeah, the more you learn about North Korea,
the more you think to yourself, well, maybe they're crazy
enough to fire off a missile, but there's also the
possibility that they could just lose control of the stockpile
to some faction within that that's even crazier. This is
always the concern, And you know, I would say, if
anyone is going to be able to bring about a

(39:03):
ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine. I think Trump is in
the likeliest position. But this was always going to be
a tough ask. I know, Trump said I would end it,
you know, day one or whatever. And that's Trump in
the role as salesman of Look, I am the best
guy for this, so let me do what I need
to do and we'll get there. You know, maybe a
little bit of over over promising on the timeline, but

(39:26):
that doesn't mean that Trump isn't the best guy to
try to get it done. There's the possibility. And I
thought this all along that there is no ceasefire to
be had because Putin thinks he's winning, and there's reason
for him to believe that, and he doesn't care about
the casualties that he's incurring because he doesn't have to
face a real election, and he thinks that this is
more in the long term strategic interest of Russia to pursue.

(39:47):
And maybe he views himself. I think there's plenty of
reason to think that he views himself in the mold
of a you know, whether it's a Stalin or a
Peter the Great or one of the one of the
still very celebrated leaders Soviet or Russian leaders of the
past who were very expansionist in there in their ideas

(40:13):
right and what they were able to accomplish. I actually
read a I have it here, it's I've in The
Terrible by pain and Romanov. I told you about North Korea.
Same thing with with reading about Ivan the Terrible. You
will need to go for a walk in the sunshine
if you if you read about how crazy that guy
was really, I mean truly sadistic in a way that

(40:38):
is demonic. And yeah, I was was leader with leader
of of Ru, I mean not wasn't really Russia. It
was kind of like he's a prince of Moscow. It's
a little different, but still and somebody that has thought
of I think very clearly. In fact, you could make it.
You can draw a pretty straight line between a lot
of the Stalinist approach to dissent and to totalitarianism. And

(41:03):
I've in The Terrible setting up a really the the
original totalitarian secret policeman as the op pretz Niki. And
I read about this in my book, which is probably
why I'm immediately going into this. Op pretz Niki were
a fascinating group, horrible they dressed in all black. They
had severed dogs heads that they would have tied to

(41:26):
their saddle, just so everybody knew what they were really about.
And they had complete extra judicial detention, torture and execution
authority anybody that they wanted to kill who was in
the way of the of the of the Tsar that
he didn't like or that they didn't like. You know,
as long as it didn't make the tsar angry, it
didn't matter. And Stalin I think figured out that this

(41:47):
was a very effective way because I'm in the terrible
stayed in power for a long time and managed to
get get quite get quite far. Actually did pretty well
militarily against some of the enemies in the region. Anyway, Sorry,
I'm weaving a little too much there. Back to Russia Ukraine.
See this is why you got to get the books.
You can learn more about the opera Shniki scary guys,

(42:08):
and the fact that they had dogs heads on their saddles. Man,
that's an if you want to show that somebody is
an evil, you know, son of a gun, a dog
head on the saddle is like a very good place
to start, you know. That's I'm like still angry. That
was five hundred years ago. I'm still angry about it.
So I think that there's a chance that we'll get
some kind of a ceasefire Russia Ukraine, but I'm not
counting on it. Trump is annoyed. But back to American

(42:32):
interests here, back to what the US is hoping to
get out of this. We don't want to continue to
fund this forever, and we certainly don't want to put
our own people in harm's way and suffer the possible
loss of American soldiers fighting in a country that ultimately
whether it stays under Russian Federation control, or rather whether

(42:55):
it stays under Ukraine or Russian Federation control, does not
matter that much to us. That is the harsh reality
of it. It doesn't matter enough that we're willing to
die for it, doesn't matter enough that I would want
any of you, any of you listening, or any of
your children or grandchildren to go fight for it. So
we have that in mind with all of this, right,
this is something that we have to understand that that

(43:18):
is the red line, not a single American on behalf
of the armed forces, our armed forces dying over there.
To figure out where the final lines on the map
will be drawn. But yes, it was an impressive strike
by Ukraine inside of drums and also as a window
I think into the future of warfare, which is just
going to be increasingly I think that we reached, in

(43:41):
a sense a pinnacle of commando warfare, and I mean
that special operations jsock Seals, Delta Rangers, marsk all that
we reached a pinnacle of that in the War on
Terror because it was largely counterinsurgency operations. It was targeted

(44:03):
strikes against individuals. You know, it was gunning it out,
muzzleble muzzle with the bad guys. The wars of the
future I think are going to increasingly rely on those. Obviously,
special operations always have a very important role, precision instrument
that needs to be used the way it was intended
to be used. But you're going to see a lot
more of just tech drones, AI and everybody sees this happening,

(44:27):
and who controls the skies is going to be a
combination of who has the best autonomous tech, the best AI,
the best overall drone systems and the manufacturing of them.
Another reason why manufacturing capacity is going to be so
important here because if China can put ten thousand drones
a month in the sky and we can only put

(44:47):
you know, a thousand, even if ours are better. That's
a big problem. So this is where I think the
future and I believe everyone sees this. The future of
warfare is going and you're seeing a picture into it.
Remember the Boer War in South Africa. Get it into
South Africa discussion now. But the Boer War in South

(45:08):
Africa the origin of the term concentration camp and also
was actually an early version of the trench warfare we
saw in the First World War. You really got a
sneak peak of what the First World War was going
to turn into with the trench warfare based on the
Boer War. We are getting a sneak peak of what

(45:28):
nation state warfare in the future is going to be
between with this look at Russia Ukraine, but it could
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(46:31):
we're joined by op Blahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullin. Senator
Mark Waynemullen. I'm sorry, Senator Mullen, well also correct. Good
to have you on, Senator.

Speaker 7 (46:43):
Buck, thanks for having me on. And anything works, but
you don't have to call the title, Mark Wayne Mullen, idiot.
Full all those work.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
I'll enter to them all.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I believe you are an MMA fighter, so I'm going
to pass on the idiot, but I will I will
definitely keep in mind that you are not one who
stands on ceremony and formality, so thank you for that. Yes,
but tell me this. I mean, look, we you know,
I don't know. I'm sure you know what is like
your United States Senator. Sometimes you get a little caught
in the crossfire on some things. On the one hand,

(47:14):
we're talking we have people from the Trump White House
on and they're talking about the big beautiful bill, the
great things that will do the boom in the economy.
They believe it will bring about take home pay for homes,
all that stuff. The other side, we get people we
have had your colleague, Senator ran Paul Long, We've had
your colleagues Senator Ron Johnson on and they're saying, look,
there's some great stuff, but spends too much money. Where

(47:36):
does the big beautiful bills stand now? On the Senate side,
walk us through what's going on, what you like, what
maybe needs to change, and what we should expect.

Speaker 7 (47:44):
Well, first of all, I mean, this bill's been getting
negotiated since November, so this does anything do Everybody's had
had time to put their input, and they're going to
have more time to put their input. So I got
all the respects in the world for Ron Johnson and
Ran Paul. But the truth is their ideas are great,
but it's their idea and they're going to have to

(48:04):
get fifty one people to agree with them. And so
what we've got issues here is that we have Obama
slash Biden era policies. And I mean that sincerely, because
you know, Biden is just, you know, an extension of
the Obama era of policies except worse. So you have

(48:26):
that's what we're currently operating underneath. And now you have
the Trump policy error that's trying to come in place,
and we do that through reconciliation. We all want to
cut more spending, I mean physically, being physically responsible is
honestly what we all want to do. But the House
will cuts one point six trillion dollars from deficit spending.
And that's true deficit spending. Now, I've been up here

(48:47):
for way too long, serving the House for ten years
and now two years in the Senate, and I can
tell you every time we've always had deficit cuts, it's
always been a teen year cut. Right, It's going to
save five hundred billion over ten years, and we never
actually achieve a ten year cut. This is one point
six trillion dollars cutting immediately, so it doesn't balance a budget,

(49:11):
but it does move forward. And as we move forward
to this bill, hopefully we can even do better. Hopefully
we can get to two trillion dollars and cuts. Except
at the same time, we're trying to implement you know,
campaign promises too, and the American people want the Trump
policies that he campaign on. In one of them is
no tax on tips, no tax on on overtime, and

(49:36):
no tax on Social Security. Well that adds costs too,
and so you've got to take it in and out.
And reconciliation we can only deal with taxes and mandatory spending,
not discretionary spending. So we got a narrow window to
what we can actually work with. That's that's why it's
called reconciliation and requires fifty one votes. Where a budget,

(49:56):
which we'll start on, you know, the budget just I
mean our discretionary spending moving forward right after this, and
that's a sixty vote threshold. So my point that I'm
trying to get to Buck is that we have a
very narrow window that we can work with. We're going
to get all the cuts we can possibly get at
the end of the day when this bill goes to
the floor. This one big, beautiful bill that we've been

(50:19):
working on since November, and everybody's had their fringer prints on,
everybody's had an opportunity to put their input on. We're
going to put whatever is on the floor that can
get fifty one votes so we can get away from
the Biden era policies and move forward to the Trump
era policies, which is we're seeing the economy respond to already,
and we haven't passed the bill yet.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I wanted to have you react, senatorm moll into what
Senator Paul says here about four Republicans who he believes
we will not go along with the bill as it stands.
This is cut three team, play it team.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
I think there are four of us at this point,
and I would be very surprised if the bill at
least is not modified in a good direction. Look, I
want to vote for it. I'm for the tax cuts.
I've voted for the tax cust before. I want the
tax cuts to be permanent. But at the same time,
I don't want to raise the debt sealing five trillion,
So I've told him if you take the debt ceiling
off the bill, in all likelihood, I can vote for

(51:19):
what the agreement is on the rest of the bill,
and it doesn't have to be perfect to my liking.
But I can't be if I vote for the five
trillion to our debt. Who's left in Washington that cares
about the debt?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
We will have lost.

Speaker 8 (51:31):
The GOP will own the debt once they vote for this.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
What do you make of that, Senator, Well, we're going
to have to raise the debt.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
You know, it's kind of like taking over a failing business.
Right When you take over a failing business, you don't
just start making money day one. You have to invest
in it. And that's why you bring in investors, and
investors are expecting you to get a return. And that's
what the American people did. They invested in the Republican
Party and expecting the return. But you can't just simply
turn it around. The Biden administration spent like drunken SAE.

(52:01):
You know, we had almost every almost every single agency
iner the last four years has increased from fifty to
one in in what they're receiving for their budget in
four years. So we're cutting everybody's budget, and we're bringing
down the debt. But you can't just simply say that
we're going to have enough money to balance the budget immediately.

(52:21):
We're going to have to borrow more money. And I
think in two and a half maybe three years, we
can balance it and we won't have to borrow any
money if we continue down the Trump policies that he's
put forth. But you can't do it now. And so
I don't know what Ran Paul wants us to do,
because we are in debt and the debt limit is
going to hit us regardless of what we do if

(52:44):
we pass this bill we don't, it's going to hit us.
And so we have two choices as Republicans. We can
put the debt limit increase on reconciliation and only have
to have fifty one votes, meaning that we can do
this without the Democrat support, or we and we do
it on a budget bill, or we do it as
a standalone and we got to have sixty. So now

(53:08):
we're gonna have to negotiate with Chuck Schumer and the
Democrats to get them to give us seven or maybe
even more votes, and probably more than likely by the
time we negotiate with them. There's gonna be a lot
of Republicans that aren't gonna want to vote for it,
and so instead of just having seven, we're gonna end
up having to have fifteen or twenty Democrats. Now, can

(53:28):
you imagine what type of deal we'll have to strike
with them, because we're going to raise a dead limit. Regardless,
we're gonna raise a dead limit. We're gonna raise it.
If we raise it four point five trillion, I will
be willing to tell you buck right now, we'll have
to raise it again another two and a half trillion.
And so I feel like we should just go ahead
and raise a dead limit enough that we know if

(53:49):
the numbers continue to grow the way they are, with
the GDP growing, with the debt decrease in deficit spending,
because we're doing one point six off of discretionctionary or
off of mandatory, and the next then when we start
doing the budget bills, we can even do more off
discretionary spending. By those two graphs, they're going to meet

(54:10):
in about two and a half or three years, and
it will be the first time that a president has
balanced the budget since Clinton. But we're going to have
to borrow the money to get to that point. So we,
like I said, we can do it now and negotiate
with Republicans only, or we're going to do it later
because there is no B. There's either A or B

(54:30):
because C means with a fault, and we're not going
to default on the money we spent. We spent it,
regardless we like it or not. We spent it, so
we got to pay it back.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Speaking in Oklahoma, Centator Mark Wayne Mullen and Senator Mullen,
you're talking about balancing the budget in the future, not
on this Big beautiful What is the is the official
what is the official name of the bill? Sorry for
the diversion, but I'm curious. Is it going to be
called the Big Beautiful Bill? Or is there some boring
DC names for it.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
I'm sure we're going to come up with some red
pless you know, acronym because we love acronyms up here.
But right now, we're gonna call it what the President
calls it, One big beautiful and by the way, he
just recently had glamorous, one big beautiful, glamorous bill. But
we don't I don't know what the acronym is.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I got you Okay, I mean I think I think
we just go with big beautiful bill. Personally, everybody knows
what we're talking about with that one, I think, And
uh yeah, it'll drive the It'll drive the Democrats completely insane,
which makes it even more fun and more worthwhile right
in and of itself. But for those who because look,
I get people who call in or write in and
they're they're upset, and they start to say things like

(55:37):
we're just never actually going to deal with the debt
and all this talk about dealing with the debt is
is hot air. What do you say to them? I mean,
at what point do we start to take the debt?
Is it realistic that within the Trump administration, at some
point we can actually start to take the thirty six
trillion dollar debt in the other direction? Or is that

(55:59):
just is the best we can hope for slowing the
increase over time, maybe balancing it here and there.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
No, I think we can reverse it, but it takes
it takes three things to happen for that to happen. One,
we've got to have sound policy that the economy will
respond to. I mean, we've got to have sound policy.
We're economy, who's going to respond to two. We've got
to have accurate policies that that will drive innovation. Uh

(56:27):
and and then number three, the the the politicians us,
we have to be responsible with the taxpayer dollars. And
if you do those, then economy and the spending levels
will will eventually touch each other and we'll will surpass them.
If the GDP can grow right around three percent and

(56:49):
we can hold spending at its current level after we
do the reconciliation, just by doing that and not doing
additional cuts, which we will do additional cuts, but if
we just do those, most economs will tell you that
the lines will touch in two and a half for
three years, depending on the investment and how much we have.
We see that inflation is down to two point one

(57:11):
percent already. That's huge. Right. When we see the taxes
become permanent, and then we see R and D, which
will hopefully become permanent, research and development come permanent where
they can actually write that off, you're going to see
that that technology filled increase here and you're going to
see the growth begin, which is exactly what you do

(57:32):
with the business right You take out debt for potential
earnings because you have a business plan, you borrow on it.
The bank borrows less. You borrow the money because they
see your business plan and they know that your growth
is going to eventually surpass enough to be able to
pay you off a debt. That's what third gamble is. Well,
we feel like we're trying to operate like a business

(57:52):
because we have a business guy in office, not just myself,
but the President Trump himself, and we're taking business approach
to it. We know we can't just simply cut it
off right now, which we are. We'd love to, but
we just can't find enough to cut all the programs
in this short period of time. The more we dig

(58:13):
into him, the more Doge continues to dive in, The
more we continue to dive in and see all the
waste and fraud that has been taking place in the government,
the more we'll continue to cut. And I feel, I
mean it sincerely, this is the first time that I've
ever been up here that I feel very, very confident
that we will balance the budget. And the President has

(58:35):
made it his plan that that's what he wants. When
he's sat down and talked to us, especially those that
have a relationship with him. This is part of his
make America great again. He understands how to make money,
but he also understands debt and how it works.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Senator, before we let you go and take a hard
turn here into just curiosity ville. You were an MMA
fighter for how many years?

Speaker 7 (59:00):
Well? I fought for three years. But before that we
were you know, we weren't considered professionals, right, uh so
there is additional fights too. But you know, I wasn't
as good as a lot of these other guys out
there that everybody knows.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Who do you think is the best of all time
taking punch? You know, because because you've been in that arena,
literally inside that cage, right, who do you think is
the best all time? I'm just curious.

Speaker 7 (59:24):
Boy, Well you got to go way back. You got
to talk about John Jones. John Jones is just even
though he's had personal issues, the guy has just been
a beast and people call him the goat just because
he's had, you know, some issues. I still think the
guy was just the most dangerous man that stepped in
the arena. I mean, the guy is just a stud.

(59:45):
But when he started looking at some of these old
school guys Raady Coutura for instance, instance, I mean here,
this guy comes in, he wins, you know, uh, he
wins two different divisions as a world titles for the see.
I think he ended up went in five total altogether.
I'm trying to pull that off toop my head. Ready's
act friend of mine. He's gonna be upset that I

(01:00:07):
can't remember his record. But the guy was just absolutely unbelievable.
He came in and made some fights and fought up
on up up weights that most people didn't expect him
to be able to do. He embarrassed Ken Shan Rockman
very sphincted butt and and Ken is the guy that
I trained with some so and and he just there's

(01:00:28):
just a whole host. It just depends on the year
that you want to get to, right you can. There's
a whole bunch of guys that's come in there. Daniel
Cormy uh d C which people have talked about. Everybody
underestimated him and he did. He did just phenomenal work
in there, and he didn't look like he ever belonged
in in the division. But but you got at one

(01:00:49):
time you had a big rig was the name Johnny
Hendricks who was walking through everybody right, uh and and
at that time. But now could he compete with the
days fighters? That's what The day Fighters are so much
better talent than we ever were back then. We're just
a bunch of bankers. Now these they grew up in

(01:01:11):
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
One more lightning round, quick, just quick, kind of related,
best martial arts movie of all time in your mind,
but sport, that is the correct answer. All right, he
got it, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Everybody, Senator, appreciate you
making the time. Come back soon, all right, see you
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