Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Jun 03 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. Clay is having a great time
on vacation. He was in the Bahamas. He's working on
his tan. He wears sandals year round, so nothing new there,
but he's having a good time. He'll be back with
us on Friday. Just meet today, Tomorrow and Thursday. You

(00:26):
are riding with the Buckster and we have much to
discuss here. Our friend Ryan Graduski will also be with
us of the Clay Endbuck podcast Network, talking to him
about the latest data from CNN. It just keeps getting
worse for the Libs and the Democrats. The numbers increasingly
showing that wherever it is that you pull on any

(00:48):
important issue in the country, right now, Trump is much stronger,
is doing much better than the Democrats anticipated, hoped for
and have tried very hard to from being the overall perception.
So we'll get into some of that more on the
immigration and border issue. Tom Homan just the guy's just

(01:10):
an all star, you know. It's it's so nice to
see and this is true in a number of the
senior Trump administration roles. It's just so nice to have
people who know exactly what they're doing and are totally
in line with the Trump agenda, and they're making moves
every day to that end. So I just think that

(01:33):
it is critical. And on the border, there may be nothing,
maybe no issue that is honestly more important. I think
the border and the economy are side by side. You know,
thanks to Trump, we're not getting involved in any crazy
wars anytime soon. So we shall dive into that. But
I did want to take a few moments here to
update the story we talked about yesterday about this fire

(01:57):
bombing terror attack in Colorado and what this tells us
about not only the kinds of ideological hatred that are
spreading in this country under this I think often this
shield of oh, I'm not anti Jewish or an anti Semitic,

(02:23):
I'm just anti Zionist. Well, I don't know a lot
of Zionists who aren't Jews. I think the i'm just
anti Zionist or even anti Israel it's doing a lot
of work in that sentence. What is it that they
really object to? And, as I have pointed out to
you and I will continue to do so. There are
many places around the world where there is extreme violence,

(02:47):
there is very real oppression, and there are plenty of
ways you could argue we should put more pressure on
or we should do something now, whether you believe we
should or not, as a separate issue, but we could
theoretically do more. And yet because it cannot be blamed
on the Jewish people, you know the situation in South Sudan,

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because it is very tough to make that about Zionism.
These individuals who are so upset on college campuses and
just on streets in cities across America, they have nothing
to say about it. It doesn't even register with them.
The realities of Middle East totalitarianism as it pertains to

(03:31):
places like Iran, for example, that is not a problem
that gets protests in the streets. People who think they
care about women's rights on the left have no issue
with Iran, at least no issue they're willing to speak
about publicly. But endless issues with Israel and endless issues
with Gaza. And I think we all see what that's

(03:53):
all about. You'll also notice this, and as I've told
you before, this was the first issue of foreign policy
that I ever spent real time on it was going
on now over twenty years. When I first I worked
at the Washington Institute for Neery's Policy. I was an
intern for Clinton's Ambassador Dennis Ross, who was Ambassador Ross

(04:17):
was the negotiator on the Arab Israeli peace accords under
the Clinton administration. Camp David didn't work, but they tried.
I also worked at the Council on Foreign Relations, Council
on Form Relations. You know, they got the Builderbergs, the Illuminati.
No Council on Foreign Relations. I did work there as
an intern, so trust me, I didn't know the secret
handshakes or the secret tunnels or any of that stuff.

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But I worked there on the US Middle East Project,
which was also an Arab Israeli peace project initiative. So
I started, as many do my academic background in Middle
East studies on this issue of Israel Palestine, and so
I do have some institutional memory. I do have some recall,
not just of how it is now, but how it
has been the last twenty years. And what you see

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is that there are a lot of people who care
not a bit about foreign policy as a general matter,
but they care so much about what's going on with Israel,
and you say, well, why is that? Why is Israel
the place? And you know we say these things rhetorically.
I think we know why, and I think that in

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the context of America. First of all, there's a tremendous
amount of anti Jewish feeling throughout the Muslim world. That
is just a reality, that is a truth. You can
even think. To the character Borat, I always thought this
was fascinating. Remember Ali when Ali G was another one
of his characters. Sasha Baron Cohen, who is Jewish. Last
name is Cohen, a common Jewish last name. Sasha Baron

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Cohen playing the Alig character, playing Borat, and Borat became
this big famous movie. Kazakhstan is a Muslim country, and
one of the bits that Sasha Baron Cohen would do
was constantly kind of satirizing the just blatant anti Semitism

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of the supposed Kazakh Borat. Now he got away with
this because he never got away with that, and you know,
the Left didn't get angry about it because he never
mentioned this was a effectively a Muslim character that he
was playing. But there's a tremendous amount of anti Semitism
throughout the Muslim world, and no serious person would argue otherwise,
or no person who knows what they're talking about. Now,

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there's a lot of anti Semitism in Europe, and clearly
a lot of anti Semitism in America too, but it
is worse in the Islamic world by far. And ask
any Jew you know who knows anything about these regions,
and they'll say, yeah, that is certainly the case. But
why is it that this goes to the front of
the line. Why is this so important to the American left?
Was as I've discussed here, as I've laid forward, and

(06:48):
I know Clay has adopted this to his own thinking
as well. This is a white versus brown conflict in
the minds of the American left. The Israelis are white,
the Palestinians are brown. Therefore, the moral high ground is
set and unchangeable in favor of the brown Palestinians. Whatever
they have to do is justified. They are oppressed. They

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are the ones who are suffering any action, including the
most heinous and vicious actions humanly possible or thinkable, which
Hamas and affiliated and assorted terrorist groups on behalf of
the Palestinians, comprised of Palestinians have engaged in is inherently
justified because they're so oppressed. I've said this before, if

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October seventh wouldn't turn people against the Palestinian cause such
as it is, because the cause is not an independent state.
The cause is the eradication of the Jewish state. That
is the truth. It is obvious to anyone paying attention
who is being honest. But if that won't turn you
against the cause, or if there won't be criticism from
people after that, there is nothing that will make them

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critical of this. There is nothing that will turn them
and make them thin that the Palestinians perhaps should look
inward and take a different approach. And I think that
couldn't be more clear than it is right now. This
is why I remind everyone the so called Glorious Martyrs
and the resistance of groups like Hamas stretching back into

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the Second Intifada in the early two thousands was just
a series of suicide bombings meant to bring Israeli life
to a halt, to a standstill, to destroy the daily
lives of Israelis, and to murder as many Israelis women
and children as possible. A moral person, a moral person
from any country, from any culture, of any religion or

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skin color. A moral person does not go into a
crowded restaurant with a suicide vesta on packed with ball bearings,
killing himself and everyone else there because they think that
somehow this is going to achieve what exactly revenge a state.

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No one's even what they want, because what they want
is the manifestation of and the right to act on
deep hatred. And that brings me to Colorado and this
individual Egyptian national came to this country claiming he wants asylum.
Think about that for a moment. You know, this reminds

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me of there's something particularly heinous, and you see this
playing out in a number of different very very you know,
well known and well made movies about World War Two.
But it was well known and some of those who
had you know, veteran, particularly a marine and army dads

(09:42):
fighting in World War Two, it was well known that
the Japanese, as one of their tactics, would claim that
they were wounded and surrender and then they would actually
have a grenade, and so they would say, please, please
don't kill me. I'm wounded, I can't fight, and then
Urgis would go over because our people were always trying
to be humane in the most inhumane circumstances, and they

(10:05):
would go and then they would be blown up by
this person. And this was common. You see this in
a hole, you see this in thin red line, you
see this in letters from me, Regima. Somebody who claims
asylum in your country is on that same moral plane.
They're saying, please, I need to skip the line. I'm
in a desperate situation. I have to get away from

(10:25):
my home country. My home country is so awful that
if you send me back, I could be tortured and killed. Please,
out of the kindness of your heart, take me in.
This individual, this terrorist in Colorado, said that he wanted asylum,
used our process, use the goodness of the American people,

(10:47):
used our mercy against us and against our Jewish brothers
and sisters in Colorado who were burned severely in this attack.
And now we even we have more details, we know
this was absolutely not just an act of terror, but
a premeditated and particularly vicious one. It is hard to

(11:10):
think of something that is more awful than intentionally lighting
defenseless people on fire, but that is what Mohammad Suliman,
who disguised himself as a gardener in an orange vest
so he could get as close as possible to these
individuals in Boulder, Colorado. That is what Mohammed Sliman wanted
to do. And he believed his actions just not just then,

(11:34):
but after the fact. He believes, because he has set
it to law enforcement, that this was vengeance for quote
his people, his people, his Egyptian You might say to yourself,
what is he talking about? Oh, okay, you mean Muslim, brown,

(11:54):
non Jews. That's essentially what he means by his people,
or rather the people that he associates with who hate
the Jewish people. If you do not understand these hatreds
and see how they are, for one side, immovable and
unfortunately central to the society. The hatred of Jews is
central to the people of Gaza. Look at their textbooks,

(12:16):
their whole initiatives. They have been going on for years
to show people what is taught about Jews in the
schools such as there are schools in places like Gaza
and in the West Bank. And it couldn't be more
clear which side of this issue all of us should
be on. And yet you have not just radical fringe

(12:37):
elements of the left. You have the Democrat Party itself
sympathetic to and making room for this virulent anti Semitism.
This is now replaced the kneeling for George Floyd. You
have to understand, this is filling that hole in the
soul of all of these leftists in America who think

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that we must always be having some sort of racial reckoning.
I know it isn't reasonable or even logical, but they
view the Israelis fighting Hamas as a racial reckoning of
white oppression against the non white adversary here, and so

(13:21):
this is why they attach themselves to this, they feel.
So they don't know anything about the Balfour Declaration, about
the Nakbab, about nineteen forty eight, about UN Resolution two
four to two, or UN Resolution three three eight, or
the nineteen seventy three war, or the I mean, go
down the list. That they don't know anything about the
removal of Israelis of settlers from Gaza and the destruction

(13:45):
of greenhouses and the destruction of infrastructure and all that
they don't know. They don't All they know is they
have been told the Jews, the white people here who
are Jews, are the bad people and they are obsessed
with the virtue signaling of marching around campus proclaiming to

(14:07):
care so much about the oppressed and the dispossessed, and
that ideology, unfortunately also inspires and creates far too much
room for maniacs like this Molotov cocktail throwing murderer or
attempted murderer who thought that lighting defenseless people on fire

(14:30):
was people he had never met before, who had never
done anything to him. And here we are now seeing,
once again, just like we saw in October seventh, there
is a side of evil and the side of decency here,
and every American gets to choose the Democrats largely for
the most part, not all of them are on the

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(16:03):
in Colorado and Boulder. The guy was an illegal, a
visa overstay illegal, and I can tell you that in
the pre Trump era, I'm pretty familiar with these stats,
they would estimate something like a half a million visa
overstays a year. That's not even a number that you
think of when you're generally considering illegals in the country,

(16:26):
right you think of the people that come across the border,
which was about ten million under Biden. We'll call it
ten million. I think that's right, eight million officially plus
you aut up all the Godaways, nine or ten million
is where it is, and we have more people in
more ways that they are gaming our immigration system and

(16:48):
staying in this country illegally. This is a massive problem.
Last I we're talking about the anti Semitism and the
components of the ideology of anti Semitism against well against
the Jewish, against the Jewish people, and why so many Americans,
I mean, think about this for a second. A lot

(17:09):
of these college kids who take this very anti Israel
and very pro pro Palestine or pro Palestinian point of view,
and I know there's something deeply unfair about the same
way I said this with Iran, I extend the same
thing to there are people in Gaza who you know,
there are children there, there are people who have no choice,

(17:30):
There are people who have no political agency and they're
stuck there and it's unfair. But there are also a
lot of adults who are there and aren't doing anything.
And then there are a lot of adults who are
doing terrible things right, or rather there are adults who
could do more to try to bring about something else somehow.
There's there's always somebody who will fire a rocket at

(17:52):
the Israelis in Gaza. There's not somebody who will, let's
just say, try to change up the Hamas leaderships situation,
you know what I mean. Somehow there are plenty of
people willing to be you know, brave martyrs so to
speak against the Israelis, but they won't do anything to
stop the mad men in their midst who are running
the country. So but the same thing's true in Iran. Right,

(18:15):
if we had to do strikes in Iran for some reason,
it wouldn't be the fault of every Iranian. But this
war is hell, and war is unfair, and this is reality,
and we have to operate within that reality, and you know,
you do the best that you can. We didn't want
to be bombing villages in Afghanistan until nine eleven. Quite honestly,
we didn't really care very much about Afghanistan. But then

(18:38):
they made us care. Well, the Israelis have been made
to care more than ever about their own safety and
security after October seventh. So there's the immigration part of this. So,
so that's the ideological Midias foreign policy part of it. Now,
let's look at the the truth of what's going on
here with our border. It's wide open and I'm sorry

(19:00):
has been wide open. Of course it's not wide open anymore.
Trump has brought the numbers down ninety nine percent, something
something unfathomable. I thought Trump would do a good job.
And if I'm just being honest with you, I thought
we would see a ninety percent something like that. A
ninety percent. I didn't think it would be almost zero.
And the numbers now, I think they can count in
the hundreds on a monthly basis. How many are entering

(19:21):
the country legal. I mean it is. And this freeze up.
This is what I have said all along. This is
so important. This freeze up the resources at border patrol.
And I've spent time with our border patrol guys. You
got to you know, and the more people know about
border patrol, I think the more respect for those men
and women they have. They do a tough job. Something

(19:43):
like a third of border patrol or are United States
military veterans, maybe twenty five percent are our Latino as well,
Latino Americans. So this notion that you know that that
border patrol is in some way a racist enterprise, or
that these aren't people that are you know, they're demonized
by the left as though they're doing something terrible you know,

(20:06):
they're rounding people up and putting them into these camps.
They're protecting us. And as we see with with this
this terrorist, I know that he's a visa overstay, but okay,
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement is supposed to and should have
gotten this guy out of the country. Now I know
he's he has claimed asylum. I think that we just
need to have a shutdown of the asylum process in

(20:27):
this country for a while until we figure things out.
That's really where we are, and all pending asylum claims
just need to be you know, maybe maybe they come
up with some very high threshold for it, but there
are and see and I know that's unfair too, right,
because there are people who need a place to go,
but we're not the only place they can go. The

(20:49):
more you dig into this, almost all of the asylum
claims that are making their way through our courts are
invalidated by one thing alone, and that is that these
people came via Mexico. They're not supposed to pick which
country they want to get to for asylum. It's which

(21:10):
country they get to first where they can be considered safe.
So if we were serious and Trump administration will be
but if the Biden administration had any intention of enforcing
actual asylum, all right, think about it. If you're fleeing
you know, I don't know, you're fleeing oppression in Indonesia
as an ethnic minority, and you make your way to Mexico,

(21:35):
you're supposed to say, hey, Mexico, I need asylum. You're
not supposed to go, Hey, you know what would be
really cool if I can make it to America because
they're rich and they have a big fat welfare state.
That's not how it is supposed to go. And so
all of these people that are saying they claim asylum,

(21:55):
they right on its face, we should be able to
just say to them, okay, well did you show me
your sylum paperwork for Mexico. Wait you didn't. You didn't
try to get asylum Mexico. Why oh, because you want
to just jump the line to go to America and
you're And then that's not even looking at whether they
have a legitimate claim of asylum, which they don't, because
there's not one hundred and If one hundred and eighty
countries around the world all have asylum seekers all coming

(22:18):
to America, it just means that every country, you know
pretty much. You know, we don't have a lot of
asylum seekers from Liechtenstein or or you know, Denmark, but
we've got a lot of asylum secrets from everywhere else.
Tom Homan is pointing out that this has created the
Biden administration problem is something that is going to plague

(22:39):
this country for years to come, no matter how fast,
no matter how efficient the Trump administration border policies are
and the and the enforcement mechanisms are, it is just
mathematically impossible to fully handle and turn around. Just what
Biden did. Think about that if I said to you,

(23:00):
the Trump administration's mandate is to return everybody who came
under Biden in those four years illegally, never mind everyone
who came before Biden illegally. That's what we'll just we'll
put that to the side for a second. That number
is probably too much, just logistically too much. I'd like
to think that I'm wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong.

(23:21):
Because if we ramped it up and you got to
a million deportations a year under Trump, which would be
a lot. Let's say you get to a million and
these are real deportation people are going to say, but
Buck what about in the in the two thousands, or
what about in the nineties, and we were deporting. Now,
a lot of that was people who were turned away.
The immigration. Illegal immigration, particularly into California in the nineties,

(23:44):
was single adult males crossing the border working and then
going off and going back and then coming back again seasonally.
So yeah, they were breaking our laws, but there were
multiple crossings and they were single adult males. Now it's
turned into a lot of family units, women, women showing
up with children and they plan to stay forever, and
they're from all over the world. What the Obama administration

(24:08):
did to make the numbers seem much more robust than
they were was, oh, border patrols stopped you and just
sent you back to Mexico. That's a deportation, right. That
was how we got to the deporter in chief. They
changed the way that they So if we got to
a million real deportations a year, meaning people picked up

(24:28):
from the interior, put on a plane and sent to
their country of origin, that would be pretty impressive. Okay,
well that's four million. He got six million to go.
Here's Tom Homan. This is cut ten. Just laying this
out to everybody. Understands the scale of this problem. Play it.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
We are going to be dealing with this for the
next ten years because of the chaos they created in
four years. We're out there kicking butt, We're resting a
lot of criminal aliens. We're rather looking for the bad guy.
And when we're out there doing that, we got protesters
assaulting ICE officers. You got members of Congress all of
the cut. If you're going to ICE facilities raising hell
saying this is our oversight responsibility? Where were there oversight

(25:05):
responsibility when ten point five million I came across the border.
Where's the oversight responsibility? I'm releasing over eight million, it'll
go to this country. Where's the oversight responsibility? Then this
is attack on ICE, this attack on the Trump administration.
We're trying to fix the damage done by Biden.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
An attack on the Trump administration and fixing the damage
done by Biden. So true, And I just think that
we all need to understand it was a choice made
by Biden and his team. It was not a failure
of policy. It was the enacting of policy. They wanted

(25:45):
the illegals in this country. They wanted millions and millions
of illegals to pilot the country to overwhelm the system.
Rules for radical Slolenski, overwhelm the system, and then once
you break it through overwhelming it, you can read make it.
That's what they were trying to do here, and they
got very far in that process, and we are playing

(26:08):
catch up and then some even this administration as dialed
in as they are. But now we look at the
what about the fact that we were wide open for
terrorist infiltration. We just had an illegal alien terror attack
lighting Jewish people on fire in Colorado. We just had one.
We're going to have more. There will be more. If

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you were a foreign terrorist organization and you just had
access to the internet, you would have seen what was
going on under Biden and known it is open season
for infiltration of the United States. And this is why
the got away issue is so problematic. We're so concerning
for us because remember under Biden, and I saw this

(26:52):
with my own eyes at the border. Many times they
were surrendering at the border. It's not oh oh, I
think the coast is clear. I'm gonna make a run
for it, and then border patrol is you know, coming
after you in the pickup truck and they're running after
you on foot, you know, no, no, no, that's only
for the godaways, which were a small percentage overall of
those who cross. Most people, it was they would show up,

(27:14):
they would find a hole in the fence or a
gap in the fence, or they'd show up at a
port of entry or whatever. They'd say, here I am,
I'm claiming asylum. Oh okay, Now we have to put
you through the whole process. Now you get to get
released into America. We'll give you a bus ticket, we'll
give you food. That o'll thing. So if you know
that's the process, why would you make a run for it.

(27:35):
You make a run for it if you happen to
be in that category of you can't claim asylum because
you're gonna come up on that database and they know
you're a risk, you're a problem. You're either a convicted
murderer and by the way, they were convicted murders who
got in the country anyway. But you know, you're somebody
that could get flagged or somebody that didn't want to
have any scrutiny on them whatsoever. This is cut eleven.
Tom Homan, the guy who I think knows the border

(27:56):
better than anybody else on the scene right now, Here's
what he says. Play it.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Why did two million illegal aliens paid more to get away?
They could have paid half of what they paid across
the board to turn yourselves into boards real agent, get
released that same day, get a free airline ticket to
the city of their choice, get a free hotel room,
get three meals a day, plus free medical care and
work authorization. Two million people paid more to get away.

(28:22):
They didn't want to be vetted, they didn't want to
be fingerprinted. Why there's scares the hell out of me.
I've been doing this for forty years. It should have
scared the hell out of every American. What the Biden
administration did this two men known god aways scares the
hell out of me. So I'm convinced something's coming unless
we can find them.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
He's right, and they're tracking them down as fast as
they can. But we had it was open season on
America for four years of Biden, and now we're trying
to play catch up, and the Trump team is doing
everything they can. But you could have never imagined that
the Democrats would so grotesquely sell out their country and

(29:05):
sell out our sovereignty the way they did for all
of Biden's time in office. It's intentional. They did this
on purpose, you know. It's just sabotage. It's sabotage. And
that's one of the reasons I think so many people
have seen that the Democrats are a malignant force. They

(29:26):
sabotage this country's border and our security. And we do
not know the full consequences yet, and I pray that
we never find out. But we have a big problem
on our hands. This terrorist, this guy letting people on fire,
he's just that's just the beginning. We're gonna get hit
again unless the people in charge now are able to

(29:48):
figure out who's where and stop them. And that's a
maybe they can, but it is a big ask. And
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(30:09):
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(31:12):
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a big, beautiful podcast, certainly worth all of you checking out,
breaks down a lot of the data, the numbers, mister Gurdusky.

(32:44):
Great to have you with me, sir.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I wanted to, uh, look, there's I like to just
get this out of the way first first and foremost.
You know there are some there's some bootleg Gurduskies out there,
including CNN's Harry Entid right. I mean it's like he's
a he's a fine guy. I think it is okay
data analysis, but he's a poor man's Gurdusky. But he
did say sim yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, no, yes, that's one Prue.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, yes, he's a poor man's Gurdusky. We have we
have the we have the original deal, right, We've got
the real deal here with Ryan Gerdusky. But he's been
saying some stuff about the numbers as it pertains to Trump.
Let's start this one with with with CUTT twenty one.
Here's CNN's data guy, and then Ryan, I want you
to explain what's going on here and what you see
play the party.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
That is closest to your economic views and no, remember
of twenty twenty three, it was the Republicans by eleven points.
Now it's still within that range, still within that margin
of our plus eight point advantage for the Republican Party.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
How is that possible?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Democrats?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
How is that possible after all the recession, because after
the stock market's been doing all of this, after all
the terrorists that Americans are against, and Republicans still hold
an eight point lead on the economy?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Are you kidding me? I don't think it's that surprising.
I just think it's interesting that Democrats have to reckon
with this. What do you make of the numbers on
Trump support with the economy right now being just as
strong as when he got elected?

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well, I mean, Harry, lets it out, the recession fears,
the fear.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Did we just lose Ryan? He just dropped. He was
about to get to all the nuggets of wisdom, and
I don't know where he was going with that. We'll
take him back here in a second. I don't know.
Maybe my comments about Harry Enton somehow have backfired and
we are now dealing with the ghost and the machine

(34:36):
here that has kicked Ryan off the here. Let me know,
we get him back. Guys got to teet him up
so well for this he's about to tell us all
about the data. I'm not surprised that Trump is in
a better spot or in as strong a spot, because
he was in a great spot at the time. What
is the Democrat message on the economy other than professing
or prophecying that there will be Is it prophesizing or prophecying?

(35:00):
Help me out with that one team. You know, if
I get this wrong, pronunciation police or maybe they're the
lexicon the you know, the the word usage police on
this show, Man pronunciation police is rough. They're waiting for
you everywhere. They got pronunciation police on the clan Buck Show.
Have speed traps like every two miles. You guys got
those mirrored aviators on. I know, I know your type,

(35:22):
I know what's going You pull us over the second
you can. But I think that the Democrats claims for
how things are going to go poorly and then not
go and then they don't go poorly are the primary
reason that the numbers are where they are because they
don't even really have a counter message here. They don't

(35:43):
even have something to say to point out. Okay, Ryan,
you are about to share your brilliance with us. Hopefully
you have a cell phone that works. Now, let's hear
what you've got.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
So, yes, there is what is the What is the
democrats economic message? I know, hating Trump has been their
political message, but what is their economic message? What are
they focused on? Aside from keeping medicare spending and social security?
I don't ever hear of it. And also, the voters
are against the against their retaliatory efforts of tariffs. The

(36:15):
don't want to pay higher prices, that's undersmable, But they
are for the message of restoring manufacturing. They were for
the efforts of trying to bring back economic patriotism. So
they're not against the overall idea of it. They just
don't want to pay higher prices. But higher prices didn't come.
So of course Trump's numbers are not that bad. And also,
and I think this is a very big point of

(36:35):
why Trump's whole numbers are so high. Right now, no
one is talking about Trump and the media what are
they talking about. They're talking about Biden still, they're talking
about his mental health. They're talking about what Democrats bled about.
So the Republicans are still getting dividends from the bad
governance and the lies of the Democratic Party over Biden's administration.
That does matter, And they don't have an alternative. They

(36:57):
don't they don't have a leader. They have nothing, I mean,
AOC running around whether and Gavin Newsom with his podcast,
and you know what else is there. So I think
that they have a lot of problems as far as
just what is their message. I don't know what they'll
turn it is.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Now we'll get into because you you sat down with
or did an interview right with Alex Thompson and Tapper
or just Alex Thompson.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Just Alex Thompson.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, oh okay, I actually that actually I would have
been more amenable to myself than having to, you know,
listen to Tapper's nonsense. But we'll get to that in
a second. First, that is more of of poor Man's
Gardusky Harry Enton talking about who looks out? I mean,
because this is if you're a Democrat and you've bought
into the Democrat messaging for a long time, uh or

(37:42):
maybe you've been a purveyor of the Democrat messaging. Their
whole thing is this make believe that they're the ones
that care about the middle class. Here's the latest on
the numbers. When it comes to middle class and looking
out for them. This is cut twenty play it which.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Is the party of the middle class, has been a
huge advantage for Democrats. I have rolling from NBC going
all the way back since nineteen eighty nine when Democrats
had a twenty three point advantage, twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Seventeen point advantage.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
But by this decade we already started seeing declines. Back
in twenty twenty two we saw that Democrats led, but
only by four points, well within the margin of error.
And now in our latest CNM pull among registered voters.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Which is the party of the middle class, it is tied.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
This I think speaks to Democratic ills more than anything else.
They have traditionally been the party of the middle class.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
No more.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Donald Trump and the Republican Party have taken that mantle
away and now a key advantage for Democrats historically has
gone Audios amigos, and now there is no party that
is the party of the middle class.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Republicans have completely closed the gap. Ryan, What do you
make of that, because that's got to be you know,
given the election they just had the fact that they've
also got to contend with this in a broader messaging.
Since rough days for the Democrats.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, they're having this and they're going through it, and
they but they're very publicly admitting that they're going through it.
Right now, they can admit to the fact that they
lied that Biden's health was so bad they can't find
a leader, and their only messages I hate Donald Trump
and maybe that'll get be enough to win them back
to the House. But over all, that long term vision

(39:09):
there is none.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It's it's remarkable that this is the situation they find
themselves in and that they've had so little introspection. I mean,
they still have things like Gavin Newsom's California, pretending that
having a guy beat all the girls in the state
champion track meet that this is not like this makes
their party look crazy that they can keep pretending otherwise.
But to eighty percent of the country, even people that

(39:33):
vote Democrat, eighty percent of the country look at some
guy who now wants to be called ab who's beating
all these girls in a track meet and says there's
something wrong with these Democrats. And to that end, though,
also on the Biden stuff and the lot so you
you talked to Alex Thompson, who has got this book
out now and you know we've talked about you know, Tapper,

(39:54):
particularly with it. By the way, I think that it
should have been Thompson solo. I would have been far
more open.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
This is what I think. And he didn't say this,
but this is what I think when you read a
book and you don't have a big name. When I
wrote my I wrote my book, I had like no
social media following, and they said to me, if you
can get someone with the name, will publish your book.
That's what they but the publishers told me when I
wrote my book. I think the same thing probably happened
Alex Thompson. I think that he was told, if you

(40:21):
can get a name, will publish your book.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
And I mean he shouldn't. He should have gone with
Wolf Blitzer or somebody who's considered a little bit more
of a neutral. Well, nobody would think that Wolf Blitzer
wrote a word of it. I don't know if they
think Jake Tapper wrote a word of it either, but
definitely not Blitzer. You know that guy. He looks about
as confused as Biden sometimes just being honest.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
But he's been going for forty years on air, so
I mean he's done his time.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, he's done his time for sure. But okay, so
you sat down with Thompson, this book Original Sin that's
out there. What did you gather from it that was interesting?
Like we already know, yes, they all like you know,
they missed all this stuff about Biden. What was insightful?
And anyone wants to hear the interview, it's on the
It's a numbers game Clay and Buck podcast network. Go
subscribe to Clay and Buck Show and it'll be right
in your feed. But Ryan, what did you what did

(41:09):
you learn from it that was interesting or what'd you
get into that was worth talking about.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Well, one, the fact that missus Biden, Jill Biden was
I did not know that she was a school teacher,
a professor the entire time she was Second Lady of
the United States. She taught at a community college. And
apparently she hated being a politician spouse, which is not
unoriginal because a lot of people hate being politician spouses.
But the fact that she went from doing that to

(41:35):
being one of the most powerful second first Ladies in
American history and essentially running large portions and being the
one who said, no, Joe, you can't drop out. Her
transformation I think is fascinating. I asked them specifically about
how much it went into why, how much it was
considered the fact that the Biden family needed Joe, and

(41:56):
I put the idea up there was both had Bo lived,
which is always the essential question of the Biden legacy
in the Biden family, Have Bo lived? Was he supposed
to be the politician to grant them access so that
they continue to live with a lot of economic you know,
flourishment and millions of dollars coming in, because that's how

(42:19):
that entire family makes money, it's political connections. Did Joe
have to do this because he needed to bring money in?
And apparently now there's reporting that the Bidens are basically broke,
that they that they want Joe out there more because
they need a way to make money. They can't do it,
you know, I don't know think other ways. So was

(42:40):
that the entire premise of why Joe had to run
From the family's perspective is they needed millions to come
in every year. They didn't want a Clinton Foundation situation
where all of a sudden, all the money's just gone
and dried up and they have to pay for everyone
because they pay for the grandkids. They pay for the cousins,
the brothers. Everyone lives off the Biden teeth. So that

(43:00):
was a big, big part of it. Also with the book,
the people who even after the debate had come out
and said no, Biden's our ticket. John Fetterman screamed at
every Democratic send They had a big meeting with Democratic
senators and they said who is still with Biden? Every
one but three said no, and Fetterman got up and
started screaming and saying, how fing dare you betray our

(43:23):
great president like this? And he was the only one
in the room still defending Joe Biden, even with the
poll numbers bad, even with everything. So that that was fascinating,
which alliances remained close to Joe long afterwards.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Now, I mean I have to first of all, Ryan,
that is really interesting and I hadn't heard that, and
that's that's something that should should certainly be better known.
Fetterman has been getting a lot of credit because of
the stuff he says on Israel from people on the right,
And I mean, I don't know how to say this.
Do you think Fetterman just took a person that people
were saying the guy's brain didn't work because of his
own stuff, or why would Fetterman and so it was

(44:00):
he just took that personally.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, I think that that's I think that's exactly what
it was. I think Fetterman said, you know, if you
were to judge everybody by how their brain operates, allegedly,
then I wouldn't be here. But to be the most
vocal and curse out your I mean, he cursed out
Chuck Schumer, he cursed out everybody that you betrayed him,
that you betrayed Joe Biden. And he was the only

(44:22):
one in the arm. He stood by himself, so I
give him credit for that. But it was an explosive scene.
So he talked to Alex Thompson about that, which I
thought was fascinating. How he was the sole voice to
stand with Biden when they said, hey, you're going to
lose New Jersey, Fetterman said, we ride with him till
the very end. Uh, and everyone else at that point
was trying to, you know, get him to drop out.

(44:42):
So that was really interesting. I think it's fascinating that
right now Joe Biden's team is still leaking information. Before
this came out yesterday, before the debate, Biden had a
one point five percent lead in Minnesota and Virginia. That
was before the debate. Had Biden been on the ticket,
it would have been, you know, not nineteen eighty four landslide,
but nineteen eighty eight landslide. It would have been a

(45:04):
serious contention where New York and Illinois would have been
in close single digits and New Jersey would have just
been gone. So don't I don't I think that right
now they're rather than looking for a leader, looking for
a mess, looking for something, they're still kind of sent
there and blaming each other and who gets to inherit
the throne of a dead party. That's fascinating. But I

(45:26):
will say one thing. I think if they did a poll,
they did a study Democrats and what is the message
going forward to Ezra Klein has this stupid book out
about abundance and all this stuss but didn't respond at all.
Voters didn't care. They still want a populus message. I
think if I was advising a Democrat, what they would
be doing. There's big, the big, beautiful bill that's coming out.

(45:46):
There is a provision in it that forbid states to
sit there and enforce AI technology, any any enforcement AI reforms,
any AI development, anything I prevent states from even doing
an act think any of that or any protections from AI.
That's what they should be jumping on right now, because
that's where the fears are. That's my next episode of

(46:06):
the podcast comes on Thursday on A Numbers Game is
about the genuine fears of AI in job lock and
the populist backlash that will be as severe, if not
more severe, than immigration itself.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's really interesting. Go check out. It's a numbers Game
on the Acclaim buck podcast network. Ryan Gerdusky is the host. Ryan.
Before I let you go quick one kind of a
lightning round question here, who's the most powerful democrat in America?

Speaker 6 (46:29):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (46:30):
AOC and Bernie sand Bernie Sanders number one, and then
AOC is number two.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Wow, Bernie Sanders for sure? All right? Ryan Gerdusky, always insightful.
Good to have you on, my friend, Thank.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
You, thank you bye.

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little bit. Sometimes the Buckster just has to be like,

(48:23):
you know what, we're getting a little too chummy around you.
I want to fight. That's what happens with Ginger. Sometimes
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(48:46):
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it's on. And then she wants to know, and she
wants to like jump all over me and like that.
So sometimes you know, you get a little chummy. You
got to throw it down a little bit. So some
of you are a little frustrated over the comments on
how to fix the debt. I'm just telling you the numbers.
I don't even have much of a dog in this fight,
so to speak. Well, I do because America and I

(49:06):
don't want it to collapse. But it's going to be
a while before I'm getting Medicare or social Security, and
I know we're going to have to go over some
of these things. Like, No, it doesn't mean people don't
get Medicare who are in Medicare now. No, it doesn't
mean that if you're supposed to get social Security, you know,
starting in five years, that all of a sudden you're
going to get like a fraction of it means that,

(49:26):
you know, if you're a prime working age now, we
could start to set up different programs and we could
start to prepare people for means testing and you know,
and change, Like, there are ways to fix this thing
that don't hurt people who were promised and paid in
good faith and are on it or about to be

(49:47):
on it. But if you're twenty five. It's not going
to work for you to say, oh, well, from age
sixty five to one hundred, because that's how long people
are going to start to live. By the way, I'm
just gonna get paid this or I'm gonna have everything
paid by the guard. It's gonna have to change at
some point, So I just I want to be clear.
You know, my dad's you know, he gets social security, right,

(50:10):
he deserves it. No one's touching anyone's social Security that's
getting it now. No one's touching anyone's medicare is getting
it now. The change would come over a ten year horizon,
a budget set in place now that makes some of
the switches necessary to allow us to be on a
sound fiscal foot, or just don't we just let's just
you know, Thelmon, Louise Baby, let's hit the accelerator and

(50:33):
let's just take this guy off a cliff. Let's just go,
you know what I mean. We'll hold each other's hands,
we'll look at each other, and we'll just take this
thing off the cliff together. It was fun while it lasted. America, Uh,
Jay and Ohio, here we go six months from turning
sixty five. What's going on, Jay.

Speaker 7 (50:49):
Well, yeah, you don't have to poke me. The government's
doing that well enough already. I yes, I'm months away
from being forced onto Medicare and I don't want to.
I want to take care of it myself. But I
am I am not allowed. If I don't, you know,
a role for Medicare, they'll penalize me anyway. What kind
of a perverse system is that? So you know, mister President,

(51:11):
mister vice president, if you're listening, this grow our way
out of out of the debt isn't going to happen.
It's about force. And the other thing is the insurance industry,
and I'm wired about this. The insurance industry loves the
concept of Medicare because they can offload all the old
schmucks like me and the government will take care of us,
quote unquote. It's all about force. I don't have any freedom.

(51:34):
I want the freedom to not enroll in Medicare, and
I don't have that at this point. And it's infuriating.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Jay.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
You're spot on and in an excellent call, and you're
seeing this with clear eyes, full hearts. Can't lose And
thank you for thank you for the call, Thanks for
being Look, it's a mess. Everybody, it's a mess. Elon
knows it's a mess. All he does is look at
balance sheets and look at you know, projections based on
numbers into the future and figure out how to fix things.

(52:01):
And he told us we got to fix this, and
we're not fixing it. And he just said that, and
he said the people that are voting for the should
be ashamed. Ashamed on the Republican side. Just is what
Elon's saying. So he's a smart guy. I think that's
putting it mildly. Michael in Oswego, New York.

Speaker 8 (52:20):
What's going on, Mike, Hi about second time caller?

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Apparently you had found the first time, so that's good news.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
I sure did. I listened to you guys every day.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Anyway, I want. I was calling to jump back to
the segment about income taxes, and I told the guy
that I first talked to. I said, you know, well, anyway,
my mother and father were both teachers, you know, high
school and junior high. Sure, so I mean when I

(52:52):
needed help with my homework and that. You know, my
mother was a specialist in history. She's still after she retired,
so I got a lot of that. But to my memory,
didn't FDR institute income taxes at the time that World
War two with the US was imminent or we had

(53:14):
already gone into the war and they've to get more
money to hire people and build the bombs and all
that in the planes. And it was never supposed to
be a permanent thing. Now that's what I remember reading
in history. Now I don't know if that's true. I mean,
you're making that.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well, the first income tax was actually back in It
was the Revenue Act of eighteen sixty one to fund
the Civil War. So it is wars. So if you're
thinking about it in this context, it was wars that
got us to or a major war that got us
to a tax in the first place. But the federal
income tax then kind of disappeared. It comes back in
eighteen ninety four with the Wilson Tariff Act two percent

(53:56):
tax on incomes over four thousand dollars. But the modern
federal incomes is the Sixteenth Amendment nineteen thirteen. So the
history of taxation, I mean, I think what you're raising
here is interesting, Michael, Thank you for calling in the
history of taxation is one of your fits and starts,
or you know, two steps forward one step back. But

(54:18):
once they got us with the sixteenth Amendment, then that
was rough. That was rough. That was when the bad
things started. That was when the bad stuff with the
taxes started to happen. I mean, you know, it bums
me out. I'll tell you this. Now that I live
in a zero state income tax place, it's just unthinkable
to go back to one of these super high tax
dates like New York or California, because you're just you're

(54:41):
paying so much more of the money you work for
and getting nothing. Additionally, you're getting nothing. In fact, I
would argue that the services that I get in South
Florida from you know, on a whole range of things,
is better than what I was getting in New York City.
And so with that, you say, well, why am I
paying more? Just because Democrats have bad ideas and they're

(55:03):
in charge, and so they just take more of your money.
I wish that the notion that we have all these
states where you have state income tax, some of which
tax you by the day. I always have this thing
where I tell people this, I think Utah is one
of them. By Utah, what is going on with you? Utah?
A lot of great stuff about Utah beautiful state, lovely people.

(55:25):
But I think you get taxed by the day you
work there, because I think I had to pay like,
you know, fifty dollars to the state of Utah once
and had to have like a little you guys, would
we have a huge auditing in the Salt Lake City,
you know what I'm talking about. I think that definitely
New York per day you are taxed in New York
City if you work, right, if you're there with your

(55:47):
family over a week and on vacation of course you
know no, but if you're there and you know, you
flying to New York and you do work out of
your New York office or something, they can tax you
for that day and every day that you're there. So
you just feel like, all right, well that's pretty annoying.
You don't want more of that. Jack in Ohio wants
the way and what's going on?

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Jack? Hey, happy anniversary a week ahead of time? Real quick?
Just want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Like what the you mean to Clay and Buck anniversary, right,
because like the Carry and Buck anniversary of getting married
was back in February. Just making sure I'm like, I
have to get my wife a gift?

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Uhh, No, not again if you want to stay in
good graces. Yeah, my major concern okay. And Carolyn love
Itt just even announced it, you know, on a clip
that you just played where she was talking about what
Trump inherited okay from the Biden Harris regime. Okay. My
point is Biden and Harris and Majorca okay, who caused

(56:48):
a great problem with the immigration okay, are not running
for office. Yes, we need to hang this on them. Okay. However,
there are two hundred and sixty Democrats okay in Congress
right now, and I can't remember hearing any one of them,
maybe except Federman talking about the problem okay, immigration. And

(57:09):
I'm looking at the midterms okay, that's right around the corner,
and I would like to hear the media talk about
all of the Democrats who've been sitting on their hands
and they're going to be up for reelection, and let's
not forget them. Biden and Harris they're not running again.
So and you even have the down ticket okay, which

(57:29):
goes to state and local. So I would like to
hear more about all the Democrats. We have somebody here
in our office okay, in Ohio or she's been in
office forty years as a congresswoman, and she votes ninety
five percent of the time right along with the ticket.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, a few things, thank you Jack, Thank you Jack,
and Ohio. A couple of things on what you're saying.
One is you'll be a lot more talk about this
as we get closer to the midterms. So this is
you're right now calling in at the the absolute low
point I think of political midterm conversation. June after a
presidential election is when you're gonna hear probably the least well,

(58:13):
I mean, right after an election maybe, but I'm just
there's so much talk about politics in general that'll be
going on, and all the thinking about the last election.
But as we get into certainly the beginning of next
year and then into next summer, you're gonna have a
lot of talk about all and we're gonna be talking
about them on this show. So that's part one. Part
two is the reason the Biden revelations matter is that

(58:36):
it goes to one the fact that more people than
ever should wake up to the fact that the media
is the corporate Democrat media lies and has no integrity whatsoever,
That CNN as an entity has no integrity, The people
who call themselves journalists are not journalists. They are propagandists.

(58:58):
And I know that you all know that, but we
need not fifty one percent, but fifty four percent of
the country to know that, and maybe fifty seven percent
of the country. Now you know this is this is
why I think it does matter. Because they've relied on
a media industrial complex for a long time to do
their heavy lifting for them as Democrats, and we want

(59:20):
to make that harder. And they all lied about Biden
and we caught them and we know and now they're
trying to wriggle out of any kind of accountability. So
I don't think it's just a kind of like a
parlor game here that we on the right are playing.
I think there is real meaning to it, and also
just shows you how ruthless the Democrats are. I mean,
you should all know every day there was there was

(59:42):
a right choice in a wrong choice in this last election,
and if you voted for Trump, you made the right choice.
That's it. That's it. You know, there's no there's no
other way around it, you know. I view that as
as clear as day. Let's take here we go. Gg
Dave from North Carolina listens on WPTI play.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
It please well, but to Day from North Carolina, retired
Navy on turnament seventy, limited income, You guys get rid
of Medicare, social security thing that I have to support
me for my last ten years. What the hell am
I supposed to do if you change the system? Nobody

(01:00:24):
has an answer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Well, well, Dave, the way the answer is you don't
change it for people who are on it right now.
That would be wrong, that would be unfair. You made
your plans, and you paid your taxes, and you did
your planning with the belief that it would be there
for you. That is a covenant that the state so

(01:00:47):
to the big s state right that the government has
made with you. You're not going to you know, that's not
what anybody who talks about reforming the system in a
serious way. But see what they hope and this Democrats
will do is that they want they want the reaction
from Dave. Oh they're going to take away your social security.
Oh they're going to take away your Medicare. Now vote

(01:01:07):
in the communists, you know. No, it's not about taking
it away from people who have it now. It's about
looking back with the numbers in front of you, where
can we begin to create changes here in off ramps
so that people have plenty of time and plenty of
notice for their financial future. That you know, there's going

(01:01:30):
to be means testing for Medicare. If you're you know,
a very wealthy person, you're not going to get medicare,
or you'll get some you know, different level of medicare.
There's going to be a raise in the retirement age.
That's not fair if you're sixty four. But if you're
my age and you're told, you know what, you're gonna
you're not gonna retire sixty five, You're gonna retire sixty seven. Uh,
you know, that's something that's something that I think my

(01:01:53):
generation should just say, you know what, we're going to
live longer than the generation before us on average, so
I think it's fair that we actually start a little
later in retirement, you know, a year or two. These
are the things that we're talking about. But see, it
upsets people and they don't want to hear it, and
they get told the fear mongering, and so all right,
look we go full thumb on, Louise. We're into convertible.

(01:02:15):
Let's take it off the cliff. Let's spend ourselves into
a big fireball at the bottom, you know, and let
AOC and Bernie Sanders stare at us over the cliff.
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