Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Jun 06 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Buck is out. We'll be back together in DC next week.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I am told that I have a tan.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
You may have seen me on such programs as Jesse
Waters on Fox News, where I was described as looking
like I Believe Bacon with a beard, which was a
heck of a line by him. Some of you are
watching right now on video. I think my tan is amazing.
I think it somewhat resembles John F. Kennedy back in
the nineteen sixties, not me, but the Tan before he

(00:37):
was assassinated. So I'm hoping that my beautiful tan will
not be followed by an assassination. It's not going to
be writing around in any convertibles without rooftops anytime soon
in Deely Plaza. But we have got all sorts of
chaos to dive into with you. And as I know
Buck was addressing yesterday right in the final hour when

(01:00):
the Donald Trump versus Elon Musk fireworks started, I have
got deep dive psychological analysis also some humor that I
hope to pepper with all of you as we roll
through the Friday edition of the program here and head
you into the weekend. A little bit of housekeeping. Newt
Gingrich will be with us in the third hour, and

(01:21):
OutKick reporter dan Zak Sheesky is scheduled to join us
in the second hour, and certainly we will take your
calls and your reactions to everything that is going on.
I met a lot of you. I have been out.
My kids got out of school on Tuesday, and so
I was on the road with them as a result,
doing dad related travel. Someone told me and I they

(01:44):
do think there's a lot of truth to it that
once you have kids, you no longer take vacations. You
take family trips, and that is a very different thing,
particularly when your kids are young. Although my kids are
now seventeen, fourteen, and ten, and so they are aging
up there. And so we went to amusement parks. I
think you guys played my Tom Cruise Mission Impossible analysis

(02:05):
last week with Buck, which was as usual. Buck doesn't
like fun things. He would have been miserable. It's a
super crowded, hot amusement park. But we went to the
new Universal Studios amusement park that opened in Orlando. Took
the boys there. Met many of you all over the place,
and then I'd never been to Atlantis and the Bahamas.
We'll have some fun talking about that maybe a little

(02:27):
bit later in the program. But I met a lot
of you all over the place, and I appreciate everybody
who comes up and says HI. When you were also
on your vacations, often with your own families. I was
also with Buck. We had an amazing iHeart event in
West Palm Beach for all of our advertisers. I got
to meet bucks brand new baby James for the first time.

(02:47):
I think there are pictures. Alley's more on top of
these things than I am on social media. I'm not
very good at taking photos. I can send messages, but
I am not a photo guy. But I believe there
are pictures up of the baby. We had an awesome time.
We met with a lot of our great advertisers over
the past several days. I am now back at home
in Nashville and looking forward by the way next week,

(03:09):
just texting we are set up to be meeting a
lot of people in DC next week. We're gonna be
at the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth. We're going to be
at the White House with Donald Trump. We are hopefully
going to be able to meet up with Marco Rubio
and many others. We will have quite a few senators
and representatives in our DC studios next week, so we literally,

(03:34):
as I set down, we are texting to get a
bunch of those details ironed out with you for all
of next week when we should have a lot of
in person guests and should be pretty fantastic. So all
that coming on the horizon. But the fallout from yesterday's
Elon Musk Donald Trump big breakup over the Big Beautiful

(03:58):
Bill is what is continuing to resonate all over the
political universe, all over the business universe. Basically the number
one can't miss story conflict between Elon Musk, the richest
man in the world, and Donald Trump, the most powerful
man in the world. What's my take? First, we told

(04:18):
you that this would likely happen because Elon Musk. I'm
going to psycho analyze these guys and explain why this
is likely to happen why. I think it also is
not indicative of a long term breach, but is I
think been building for some time, and I think there
were a lot of sort of sign posts that you

(04:41):
could point to. So let's start on the side of
Elon Musk, because it seems to me that he is
by far the angriest over the over the situation right now.
Elon is used to having complete and total control. He
is a dictator at every company that he runs, and

(05:01):
he has been a very benevolent and successful dictator at
all of those companies. They are wildly successful. I believe
that Elon Musk is the most successful capitalist who has
ever existed in the history of capitalism. I don't think
that's hyperbole when you consider what he has done with Tesla,
when you consider what he has done with SpaceX, what

(05:24):
he has done with Twitter, slash x, now with Xai,
what he has done with the boring company, what he
has done with I was on the golf course with
the LifeLock CEO and founder Todd Davis, and he was
talking about how impressed he is with Neuralink and what
Musk has done there, and it is receiving a small

(05:45):
amo amount of attention. I think Elon Musk is the
CEO basically a five different public companies simultaneously, all of
which are fabulously successful. We truly have never seen anything
like what he is been.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Able to do.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
And these companies are doing things that many other people
believed were impossible. No one thought that you could replace
the internal combustion engine with electric vehicles. No one thought,
by and large, hey, it's possible to be better at
designing spaceships than NASA, even though NASA has a seventy

(06:22):
year headstart. What Elon Musk has done is amazing. Here's
the problem. It requires a skill set that is massively
risk taking, moves rapidly and breaks things. It is entrepreneurial
in nature. It is by and large not a management job.

(06:43):
Founders think and behave differently than people who are in management.
That's oftentimes why the number of founders that can transition
from creating a company to building it into a huge,
vibrant entity is ray. Because the skill set to create
something new and then the skill set to manage something

(07:06):
new is oftentimes very different. And so I have said,
and Buck has said on this program, we told you
this was coming, that Elon Musk was going to get
hyper frustrated over how slow government moves. I am a
penprick as successful as Elon Musk. The reason I didn't
want to practice lawful time was it moved way too

(07:29):
slow for me. I'm a young litigator. You pinpoint the
issues at play, you say, hey, this is what needs
to be resolved, this is what needs to be fixed.
This is the answer to the question. And then and
many of you are lawyers listening right now. It is
basically a procedural battle. As a litigator for years, and

(07:50):
to me, it was boring plotting. It didn't move fast enough.
I was frustrated. I am somewhat impatient. Government is that
times a thousand. So you have this uniquely talented builder
of businesses the likes of which we have never seen,

(08:12):
who is coming into the government. Looks around, says man,
this is being run in a shabby, unsuccessful fashion. These
are the things that need to be done. I'm going
to bring in my brilliant financial engineers. We're going to
dive into the federal government books. We're going to recognize

(08:33):
all of these different things that are inefficient, outdated, where
the taxpayer is not getting best value for his dollars.
And even though we recognize all these things, government is
going to move slowly to address them. And in the meantime,
I'm going to get ripped to the high heavens because
I am disrupting government and all of the businesses that

(08:57):
I have created. I'm talking for evil On are going
to suddenly become persona non grada.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I mean, we had left wingers.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Firebombing electric vehicles because they were angry that Elon Musk
was trying to bring more financial discipline to the government.
And so I think Elon was terribly frustrated. Remember he
said he wanted to erase around two trillion dollars in spending.
It looks like the number is going to end up
being around one hundred and sixty billion dollars. I don't

(09:29):
think he was able to accomplish what he wanted to
and what he probably should have been able to accomplish
if he had the same power that he has as
the leader of all his companies. And so I think
his anger had been building for some time. And then
Trump yesterday in the Oval Office, said, Hey, I basically

(09:51):
I'm paraphrasing appreciate what Elon was going to do, but
we would have won the election even without his involvement.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Argue that or not.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
And Elon decided that that was ungrateful. And you combine
it with the fact that Trump had not decided to
elevate the guy that he wanted to be in charge,
Elon of NASA. And you also add up that he
was frustrated over some of the AI decisions that were
being made by Trump, and all of those compounding frustrations

(10:27):
led to Elon going off yesterday on Twitter. And my
thoughts on social media in general are it could be
both the best and the worst thing, because what it
does give you is a direct view into the emotions
of the moment. But the emotions of the moment aren't

(10:47):
always the healthiest. And I'm going to go old school
here legitimately and tell you an example. Abraham Lincoln, when
he was president, would get so frustrated that he would
write entire angry letters to subordinates. He would then wait
twenty four hours before he would send the letter. Now,

(11:10):
letter by mail is very different than tweets, but Lincoln
understood that the passions of the moment and the way
he felt as he wrote the article, as he wrote
his letter might not exist twenty four hours from now.
It's a brilliant strategy. Put it in your desk, wait
twenty four hours, reread it. He would then decide, oftentimes

(11:33):
whether he wanted that letter sent to his subordinates. Most
of the time, he said he did not. The cathartic
nature of writing the letter allowed for his anger to
be expressed and for it to then diminish. I have
said for some time, imagine what tweets would be sent

(11:55):
if there were a twenty four hour waiting period before
the tweet could be sent. Same thing could be said
for you if you don't tweet for the text that
you send. What if you could only send ten texts
in a week. You would make sure that they were really,
really well crafted. You would also make sure that they
weren't particularly emotional. My wife says that I don't have

(12:20):
to worry about any of this because the reason why
I will never need any form of fipy is because
I have the unique job where I get to sit
down on live radio every single day, tell you guys
every single word I think, and then when I'm done
after three hours, I have no weight on my shoulders

(12:41):
at all.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I just step right out of the radio studio.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
My therapy is I said exactly what I wanted to
say for three hours. Everybody out there could hear it.
You could like it, you could not like it. I
got no weight on my shoulders. There's a lot of
truth to that. I think this had been building for
a long time with Elon. I think it was a
mountain of frustration. I think that yesterday that was the
tipping point. It wasn't any one thing, as most issues

(13:08):
are when people lose their temper.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
It was a hey, this happened, then this happened, then
this happened. And if you are a founder, if you
are an entrepreneur, you know.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
That feeling where you wake up and you don't control
your day and basically people just put. If you're a
small business owner, twenty different things pile up, all of
which you have to manage because it's your responsibility. Elon
has been able to bear an immense amount of weight.
I think the NASA decision by Trump, I think the

(13:37):
AI machinations, I think all of the pressure that has
been brought to bear by the media. I think it
finally just exploded. And I think he does not have
elon great impulse control. This is one reason perhaps he
might have fourteen different children by seven different women. There
are goods and bads of many different aspects of life.

(14:00):
As I said, the greatest capitalist who's ever existed, may
not have the greatest impulse control ever, and so he
got angry and he decided to fire away at Trump.
I actually think Trump has been remarkably fairly restrained in
his response to Elon, because I think Elon is more

(14:21):
emotional than Trump is. I think Elon is more frustrated.
We come back. I'll give you my thesis here on Trump,
because these guys overlap and have a lot in common,
and I think it's why they got along. But really,
even though Trump is also an entrepreneur, Trump is a
different kind of entrepreneur. Elon is a founder. You go
out and you create something that ever existed before. Trump

(14:43):
is a builder in order to get buildings built, as
any of you out there that have ever been involved
in real estate, No, it is a monster of an issue,
zoning regulations, political pressures. Getting a building built in a
city is like being a politician than it is a founder.
You gotta shake hands, you got to deal with unions,

(15:04):
you have to deal with local government, you might have
to deal with state government. You might even have to
deal with federal government depending on the size of your project.
That is a different skill set and it's more similar
to what a politician does. Trump is uniquely skilled at
making everyone that he meets feel like they are the
most important person in the room. That is not Elon's

(15:27):
skill set. So this implosion, which I think was built
up by the anger that Elon felt over not having
the same control over the government that he has over
his companies, felt to me like it was inevitable. The
fact that Elon and Trump worked together for as long
as they could is important, and it was a tremendous success.

(15:48):
I hope that they can continue to work together in
the future. But remember, Elon voted for Hillary Clinton in
twenty sixteen, he voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty.
He did not endorse Trump until July of twenty twenty four.
I think Elon is the most fabulously successful capitalist of
all time. I'm not sure that his political instincts are

(16:08):
as finely tuned, and I don't say that as an insult.
I think he's worked his way towards a smart position.
I think his buying X was probably the most important
thing for the full flourishment of the marketplace of ideas
that maybe has happened in my entire life. But I
also think he's susceptible to anger. Twitter is an emotional medium,

(16:31):
and yesterday Elon just snapped. I think today he probably thinks, Hey,
maybe I wish I hadn't sent some of the things
that I sent yesterday. Eight We will take your calls.
By the way, you guys can react. Tell me whether
or not you buy into this. But I'll break down
this a little bit more because I do think it's consequential.
I think it's significant. A lot of people focused on

(16:53):
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(18:47):
blow up yesterday afternoon that happened, that obviously is the
talk of the town. You can weigh in eight hundred
and two A two two eight eight two uh if
you would like to weigh in on your thoughts on
this ridictkelessness. But I laid out why I anticipated that
Musk would get upset at some point at the slow

(19:09):
pace of government, based on his history as a founder
and as a CEO who is able to move fast
and break things, which many people out there who found
businesses have that mindset. I discovered that I am not
a very good employee for long term process. I'm pretty

(19:30):
good here because I have a fabulous boss, Julie Talbot,
and she just says, hey, you and Buck go have
the best radio show possible, doesn't micro manage us. She
has our back. That's fabulous, actually rare. A lot of
you probably have had some good bosses. Some of you
probably have had awful bosses. I think Musk wants to
be the boss in everything, and I don't think that

(19:52):
he is happy when he's not able to make decisions
that he sees as in the best interest of his company.
And I think he treated the United States government like
a company that he was in charge of. The problem
is there's a lot of stakeholders in the United States government,
and Musk could not do for the United States government
what he believed was necessary in order to create the

(20:15):
best version of the US government as he could do
with the companies that he has founded now, and as
a result, I think he just had a tempered hantrum.
I think he lashed out now. I also think there
are elements of this. Probably this is me psychoanalyzing, where
Musk is putting so much responsibility on himself that he

(20:39):
probably isn't sleeping very much. He probably isn't eating consistently
healthy meals. He is working all the time at all hours,
and so what otherwise might have been a road bump,
something that irritated him somewhat built to the point where
he felt compelled to lash out well as extensively as

(21:01):
he did on social media, which I believe Musk is
using Twitter in many ways as his therapy, as his
opportunity to vent and release rage that otherwise has built
up inside him. I think Trump sometimes does that, But
again I think because Trump has built buildings, his entrepreneurial
mindset is much different in order to build something that

(21:23):
is actually a physical structure, you can't be at the
same kind. I don't think of dictator that Elon Musk
has been for his companies, just based on the regulations,
based on the unions, based on all of the different
things that you have to go through to get approval
to be able to do that. Now, all that in mind,

(21:44):
I think Musk crossed the line when suddenly he said
the reason the Epstein files haven't been released, and I'm paraphrasing,
is because Trump is named in them. I don't believe
this to be remotely true, and I just don't think
it adds up. Lodge he might be named in him
because Epstein lived in New York City and he knew
everybody who's rich and famous in the entire city. Do

(22:07):
you really believe that if Trump had done something that
was considered to be criminal in nature by the United
States in any way, that Democrats wouldn't have used that
against Trump at any point in the last decade.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
It just doesn't add up.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
They've tried to bankrupt him, they've tried to imprison him
for life, they've tried to kill him. They have done
everything in their power to stop Trump from being able
to be president of the United States. And you think
they had a scarlet letter that connected Trump to Epstein
and was criminal in nature based on what Trump did,

(22:46):
and they just decided to argue that he mishandled classified
documents instead of that. They had pardon the pun the
ultimate Trump card that would put Trump away forever, and
they didn't use it. Instead, they manufactured the Steele dossier
and claimed falsely that Trump was engaged in Russia collusion.
And they had a smoking gun, a Trump card as

(23:09):
it were, inside of the Epstein files for the last
decade that all they had to do to put Donald
Trump in prison was pull out and play on the
on the on the out of the deck. And you
think they just decided, hey, we're not going to do that.
It's it doesn't add up. I think it's not true.
And I think the sad reality is that much of

(23:31):
the Epstein evidence, this is my opinion, is vanished.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I think that Epstein was probably a intelligence agent. I
think that he caught a lot of men. It's a
high percentage of men that are interested in young pretty
girls and having access to young pretty girls, and I
think he used that sometimes to manipulate business relationships Epstein

(23:58):
did in his favor, and I think that's why he
got the preferential treatment that he did. But there have
been many men named, many of them who basically did nothing,
it appears, other than fly on Epstein's private jet or
even engage in business transactions with him for their association
to Epstein. And you're telling me that if Trump had

(24:21):
substantial connections to Epstein, that they were hidden, and Democrats said, no, no, no,
We're not going to focus on Trump and Epstein. Instead,
we're going to argue that he kept classified documents at
mar A Lago, and we're going to argue that he
got too favorable of loan treatments for the properties that

(24:45):
he owned in New York and the big investment bank
negotiations that he did. And also we're going to argue
that he had sex with a porn star and paid
her money, and that somehow rigged the twenty sixteen election,
and that he's buddies with Vladimir Putin. You think that
Democrats drew the line at associating Trump with Epstein, I
just don't think that makes sense. I think Elon knows

(25:08):
that that is among the most savage accusations that he
could make to a segment of the MAGA base that
is obsessed with Epstein and keeps thinking, Oh, we're going
to get some amazing revelation from the Epstein files, and instead,
when they've given new information about the Epstein related files,

(25:28):
it's mostly mostly blown up. In the Trump administration's phase,
I mean, Pam BONDI had a bunch of people in
for a White House meeting, gave them new information, and
it basically was not that valuable. Now, look, I trust
Dan Bongino, I trust Cash Betel. I think if they're
at the FBI, if there is some sort of major

(25:48):
revelation that still is out there about the Epstein files,
I think they'll put it out. I just don't buy
that it exists in a substantial way, and I certainly
don't buy that somehow it implicates Trump. I think that
Elon knows that that's catnip and impossible to avoid and
among the most salacious accusations that he could make, and

(26:11):
that's the reason that he went in that direction. I
think that Trump has actually responded in the Elon fracas
as the adult in the room candidly, which is not
always what you in desipate Trump doing, but I think
he has a great deal of like for Elon.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I think Trump sees Elon as childlike and a kid.
And we have talked about this with you, Buck and
I have I every time I've met Trump, and I've
interviewed Trump eleven times. Now I am basically the same
age as his kids. I'm telling you Trump is almost
eighty years old. I think he just had a seventy

(26:52):
ninth birthday. He sees people around my age as his kids.
Trump has always and and and as a grandfather and
fatherly type figure. I think he sees Trump as a kid.
Thinks that there is a childlike glee in Elon which
Trump likes and respects, but also recognizes that in pushing

(27:15):
himself so far as Elon has, that there are consequences
with that behavior.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And I think Elon would even say it.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You don't decide that you're better at sending rockets to
the moon than NASA, and that you're going to redesign
the internal combustion engine, the effort and energy that that takes,
there's consequences elsewhere. I think again, Elon is an autistic genius.
It allows him to focus in a way that regular

(27:47):
humans cannot, but it also allows him to miss social
cues that regular humans would not. And it is very
rare in my experience that when someone has great talent
in one particular arena, it is spread evenly everywhere. And

(28:08):
this is kind of the way you think about from athletes, right,
how often in your high school was the best athlete
also the best student, and also the best looking and
also the kindest? Right in baseball they talk about five
tool players because it's so rare to be excellent at everything.

(28:31):
You don't have to be an expert in Silicon Valley
geopolitics to analyze Elon Musk. Just go to your own
high school. How often was the smartest person, also the
best athlete, and also the kindest, the most honest, the
most reliable. Usually, extreme talents in any one particular area

(28:51):
are not accompanied with extreme talents in other places. Some
as they are. Yeah, the prom king is also the
kindest person on the planet and the greatest athlete, But
usually that talent is not evenly distributed. Elon is off
the charts, I think when it comes to intelligence and
building companies. As I said, I think he's the greatest

(29:14):
capitalist who has ever lived in the history of capitalism
if you look at his accomplishments. I don't think that
he's emotionally a savant. I think he still in many
ways behaves in a childlike fashion. I think that's why
he lashed out with the temper tantrum. I think Trump
sees that. I think he wants to marshal the talents

(29:36):
that Elon has in the direction of making the country better.
And I actually think Trump has handled this again as
the adult in the room, and I think Elon regrets
his temper tantrum. Even by last evening he was sharing
Bill Ackman's comments like, Hey, it's better for the country
if we don't viewed. This morning, he's been sharing again

(29:56):
the big beautiful Bill. I'll talk a little bit about
that where I think it's gone. But I think all
of that is rooted together, and I think Elon is
ultimately frustrated that he wasn't able to have the same
level of success making the country's finances strong as he
has been in making his own businesses and their finances strong.

(30:17):
I'll take some of your calls, by the way, at
the end of this hour, eight hundred and two two
eight A two. You can analyze this also, and I
hope that Trump and Elon on some level can make up,
because I do think that Elon is a force for good,
given his resources, given his purchase of Twitter, and just
merely being open to the marketplace of ideas and seeing

(30:39):
the best possible argument, I think, and creating a business
that is based on that is a profound gift that
Elon has given to the country, and I hope that
he can use those gifts going forward in an effective
way with Trump and his administration. So that's my big
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Speaker 1 (33:24):
Eagerly awaiting my astrology reading also a little bit nervous.
I anthe working on it up in Rochester, New York.
She got more info about my birth or she's going
to steal my identity one of these two things. She
maybe is just the greatest con artist of all time
because she asked a lot of details about how I
was born. We bring in probably did not expect this introduction.

(33:44):
We bring in now Dan Zach Chesky does fantastic work
for OutKick, reporting on a variety of different stories, and
I wanted to shine some light on this because I
thought it was super interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Many of you out.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
There will remember a story went viral when the Indian
and a Fever fans were accused of racial slurs in
the direction of Angel Reese in a w NBA game,
and they did an investigation. They determined that absolutely nothing
inappropriate or racist had been said. They couldn't find any

(34:15):
evidence of it. Go figure, and the WNBA at that
time said, and I'm paraphrasing them, but basically, we have
no place in this league for racism or mistreatment of
others based on their their race. There's ender ethnicity, any
of those things. And then within like a day and
a half, Britney Griner, who is a women's basketball player

(34:37):
that was traded for the Merchant of Death. That seems
like a not very fair trade. We got a black
lesbian basketball player in the WNBA, Russia got back the
Merchant of death to help them theoretically create more death. Again,
I think that's a very unbalanced trade. Like herschel Walker
for those of you who are old school, when the

(34:58):
Dallas Cowboy. Sorry, Viking fans got all of the assets
for no cost. But recently Deshaun Watson to the Cleveland
Browns probably the worst trade of all time. Houston Texans
get insanely fortunate. This was worse than those I would argue.
But Britney Griner on the sideline appears to insult white

(35:19):
women in a phrase that went megaviral. She has said nothing.
The WNBA has said nothing. Now, I would submit to
you that if Caitl and Clark were on the sideline
insulting black girls, that Kaitlin Clark's entire career would probably
be over everyone to be talking about it. So what
did Britney Griner say? Has the WNBA investigated at all?

(35:41):
OutKick is like the only place that would even covered this,
And so Dan Zack Sheesky is a reporter at OutKick,
and Dan appreciate you making the time for us. I
wanted to give a background. I think I laid out
everything there. You've been trying to go cover Britney Griner
and just ask the questions of her. What has happened?
What has the WNBA done?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, First of.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
All, Clay, let me say that I don't know that
the Shawn Watson trades pretty bad. It might be closed
as far as worst trade.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Which is the worst trade of all time?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Britney Grinder for the Merchant of Death or Deshaun Watson
for all the first round picks the Cleveland Brown's a
good debate.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Yeah, I think you need to put up a pole
on your on your Twitter account anyway, So exactly you
laid it out perfectly. It's pretty simple, clay. Some people
say Brittany Grinder said fing white girl. Some people think
she said fing whack call. It was a pretty easy
way to figure out what she said.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Asked her.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
It's not that hard. Ask for the question, Britney Griner.
There's a viral moment. You know it, you've seen it,
you said it. What did you say? Not one person
has asked Britney Griner that question since it happened two
weeks ago. I mean, Grinder has played several WNBA games
since then. I mean, I know al Kick has reached
out to the WNBA to Grinder's management team. They aren't responding.

(36:56):
But I mean, this is really incumbent upon the so
called journalists and reporters who cover this league to ask.
It blows my mind that no one has even asked
the question. So we requested a credential for the game
where Grinder was playing in Los Angeles. Now Grinder didn't
actually end up playing in that game, but we were

(37:17):
denied that credential request. We put in a request for
the game tonight against the Connecticut Sun. I have covered
several Connecticut Sun games over the past year. I was
even allowed to, I'm sorry, granted a credential for a
playoff game against the Connecticut Sun against Caitlyn Clark and
the Indiana Fever. Now you want to talk about whether
or not there's enough space, because that was their response,

(37:39):
we don't have enough space to accommodate you. Really, you
had enough space for me to go to a playoff
game that featured Caitlin Clark playing at the Mohegan Sun Arena,
which by the way, is in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
There are not a lot of people that cover this
team regularly, because I mean, why would you the Kanicket
Sun have one win and they're telling us they don't
have enough space for me to cover the game. I

(38:01):
called bs on that they don't want us asking Britney
Grinder the question that frankly should have already been asked.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay, so this is interesting to me. We have requested Throughoutkick.
I say we because I sold out Kick. Fox owns it,
but I still do work for OutKick and I founded it.
You have asked to cover Britney Grinder's team in a
game in LA, and now you have asked to cover
Britney Grinder's team on the East Coast in Connecticut, and
both of those in WNBA teams have said no, we

(38:31):
don't have space.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
We can't handle one more journalist.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
That's my understanding.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
It was not me who requested the credential in LA,
because I live in Connecticut. That would have been quite
the trick for me. I believe that Los Angeles claimed
that we requested the credential too late, you know, late whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Fine, So so let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I will speak to this because I've been involved in
this for a long time. OutKick is credentialed for the
super Bowl. You're a sports guy. Super Bowl pretty difficult
to get a credential for kind of a big deal.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Yes, let's say so.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Out Kick has.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Been credentialed for any NFL game, any NBA game, any
NHL game, and any major conference with Big Ten SEC
all of these different sporting events to my knowledge. But you,
I'll ask you, is are all of those sports that

(39:27):
I just named? For instance, would in Alabama Auburn game
in general receive a little bit more coverage than the
than any w NBA game that's ever existed, but certainly
a random w NBA game in the regular season?

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Super Bowl? Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan. These are things
where there is a great deal of sports media demand
and yet we've gotten credentials. Would you agree probably a
little more popular than the WNBA.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Well, it's like the Deshaun Watson trade versus grind or
trade debate. But yes, I do think you are correct
that there's a little bit more interest in those events
that you mentioned.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
In general, super Bowl more people interested in it than
women's professional basketball. I know that's going to really drive
the left wingers crazy, but it is. It is the
case that Super Bowl, featuring only men, at least so far,
is more popular than a basketball game featuring only women. Okay,
so what do you attribute this to? Because I'll tell you,
as the founder of OutKick, I think that the WNBA

(40:27):
has decided that they will not credential OutKick for anything.
And this is a top down decision. Every team has
talked about it. They have decided they don't like the
way we're covering their league and therefore they want credentialists.
Do you buy that as a thesis? In other words,
do you think WNBA maybe they get enough pressure from
this and they change, But right now, do you think
that's their calculus?

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
I think that's one hundred percent true. And you know,
look like we're going to find out. I requested a
credential for the Atlanta Dream versus the New York Liberty.
Next week, I requested a credential for the Atlanta Dream
versus the Washington Mystic two days after that. Let's see,
let's see if they let us in. Because we're we're
not going to stop asking. That's what we do it
out kick, right, we have questions, we want answers. We're
not going to stop asking.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay, I also think this is important.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Ostensibly the only reason for sports journalism to exist as
it pertains to games is for journalists, that is, reporters.
However you want to classify it, to go and ask athletes, coaches, owners,
anyone affiliated with teams questions about their performance in the game. Right,

(41:34):
That's the only reason why anyone should be credentialed to
a game, particularly in this day and age, because everybody
can sit and watch the actual game.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
It used to be that.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
You had to have journalists at games because you would
wake up the next morning and you wanted to get
the newspaper and otherwise you wouldn't know what happened in
the game. But now every game streams, every game is available,
every fan knows the score of any team they care about.
The only reason why these jobs should exist is for
questions to be asked of the people involved.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
In them, right, I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yes, okay, So if we believe that is the presumption,
then how in the world is it possible take out
kick off the table? Because I agree with you, we
would ask Britney Griner this question, How in the world,
from a media perspective, from a journalistic perspective, from a
big jay journalism role, can the New York Times, the

(42:27):
Washington Post, The New York Times just had a big
profile of Britney Griner ironically that I read over the weekend.
How can they justify going and covering these games and
not asking Britney Griner about the megaviral clip of her
in the wake of the investigation of the Indiana Fever
over inappropriate comments. I mean, it seems like the biggest,

(42:50):
most glistening orb in the sky. How could they possibly
justify from a journalistic perspective not asking that question.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
It's pretty easy, Clay, and we're finding out right now
because when you ask those questions, you don't get invited back. See,
the WNBA has put this, has put this in place
where it's like, hey, you cover our league the way
we want you to cover it, or we're not giving
you a credential. I mean, look at Christine Brennan, one
of the most radical left wing, progressive liberal sports writers
on the planet, dared to ask Dja Carrington if she

(43:20):
poked Caitlin Clark in the eye on purpose last year
and had the WNBA Players Association calling for her credentials
to be revoked. I mean, if Christine Brennan is not
immune from the WNBA considering revoking credentials, who is immune?
The answer is no one, So Clay, I think it
comes down to a simple calculus, like, hey, we want

(43:40):
to continue to be allowed to cover games. The WNBA
doesn't want look Clay, there's no such thing as a
WNBA reporter or a WNBA journalists. People might have it
in their LinkedIn bios or on their social media profiles,
but they're not telling the truth. The WNBA has a
group of people who act as essentially a pr firm
or a cheerleader for the league, and that's all it is,
and that's all they want.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
The media is.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Here to promote our product, talk about us only in
a positive light. And it drives me insane because the
players talk about, oh, we deserve equal pay, equal coverage to.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
The men's game, and this and that.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
But they're not telling the truth either. They don't want equal,
they want equal, but special. They want everything that comes
along with the positive, which is more money, more advertisements,
all of that, but they don't want the criticism.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Let me ask you one more question here.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I appreciate the time dan Zach Sheesky at OutKick on
the news. The WNBA is refusing to credential OutKick for
any Britney Grinder game. You've also been covering Nike. Nike
appears to have funded a study of trans miners to
see and I'm just trying to pair phrase it here
to see what the impact of huberty related treatment, so

(44:49):
called gender affirming care might be on athletics. What is
going on here and what is happening such that Nike
is not in any way responding to questions that rose
out of a New York Times expose of all things
relating to gender treatments.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, so, well, we don't know because Nike won't tell us.
We've only received one comment from Nike that was on background.
It was from you know, quote unquote anonymous source. I
spoke to a Nike executive who did not want to
be named and said, the study is not moving forward.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
Essentially.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Now, we don't know when that happened. We don't know
if it's The speculation, of course, is that this was
made public by our reporting and they were like, oh crap,
we got to stop doing this, and the best way
to handle it is to just not say anything. So
I actually Clay went to Boston cause I also haven't
been able to speak with the researchers. The researchers who
were doing this study, who are not affiliated with Nike,

(45:42):
but we're receiving money from Nike. Allegedly, they also were
not responding to any inquiries. I sent dozens of emails
to doctor Katherine Ackerman, the lead researcher on the study,
and couldn't get a response. So Ackerman hosts a bi
annual female athlete conference. This year it was in Boston,
so I'll kick send me up to Boston to go
find Katherine Ackerman asked her to her face what is

(46:02):
going on, and she basically would not say anything. She
knew right away who I was. After she asked my name,
I was like, hey, my name is Dan. She's like, oh,
I know who you are, and I know what you
want to talk about. And I was like, okay, well
do you want to talk about it? And she was like, no,
I do not. I also spoke with Joanna Harper, the
secondary researcher who you mentioned in that New York Times article.
That's who said it. Harper said it to New York Times.

(46:23):
Also told me I'm not supposed to talk about that. Okay,
not supposed to talk about it? Well, who told you
not to.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Talk about it?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
I mean the obvious answer would be Nike, But again
we don't know because Nike won't tell us. They could
clear this up with one email, one phone call. They're
choosing not to, which only makes them look more and
more guilty in this situation.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Thank you for filling in and for people out there.
I mean, this is way worse than bud Light giving
a random beer cans to a trans influencer. This in theory,
would be Nike paying for miners to be treated to
see what the impact is in athletics, which is crazy. Dan,
appreciate the work. Keep us updated on WNBA propagandists.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And more anytime.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
Please thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Dan does really good work. I do think that's important.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
And people will say, Okay, well, you know it's sports,
why does it matter. The only reason why anyone should
be credentialed to go to a sporting event in twenty
twenty five is to ask questions of athletes and of
coaches and of owners other people affiliated with the game,
because everybody knows the outcome of the game. The WNBA

(47:33):
doesn't have reporters, they have propagandists, and they won't even
ask Brittney Griner whether she gave a racial slur to
white people on the sideline and a megaviral clip that's
been watched over ten million times on Twitter alone. It's shameful. Also, predictable. Look,

(47:55):
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One of the eight people injured, eighty eight year old

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(49:25):
by former Speaker of the House New Gingrich. He has
got a brand new book out, Trump's Triumph, America's Greatest Comeback.
We'll get into the elon thing in a sec but
Speaker Gingrich, appreciate you coming on with this. You've been
on with this several times. You are a student of history.
Is there any doubt that Trump coming back to win

(49:46):
the election is the greatest American political comeback of all time?
Can you even think of a comparison in the historical
record based on your knowledge?

Speaker 6 (49:57):
No, both, because he was in office, lost office, got
back into office, which is tied only by Grover Cleveland
in eighteen ninety two, but even deeper, he had built
such a strong following that Trump defeated Biden and then
pivoted and a couple months later defeated Harris. No other

(50:18):
candidate has defeated two major opponents in one year and
the very fact that he's still standing. This is part
of why I wrote Trump's Triumph, which I began writing
back in October, because I was convinced he was going
to win.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
You think about everything they threw at.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
Him now, since he's walked down the elevator or the
escalator in twenty fifteen, ten years pounding away at him,
and he's still standing and now he's once again president.
So it's a remarkable achievement.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Is there anybody that you even think about historically outside
of the United States? You mentioned Grover Cleveland, because one
of the great things about history is one you can
learn about everybody that came before you, but you can
also try to extrapolate how people that we don'ton't know
hundreds of years from now will look back. This is
really a pretty incredible era. From the moment Trump came

(51:14):
down the escalator, people are going to be grappling with
his legacy for the next several hundred years.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Oh, I think that's right. I think, particularly if he
can win the election next year and retain the Republican
control of the House, he will, I think, enact so
much reform and change the old order so decisively that
he will rival everybody except Washington and Lincoln as the greatest,

(51:43):
one of the greatest change agents in American history. And
it's truly astonishing to watch him work, to realize how
many different things he's doing at the same time, and
how determined he is to literally make America great again.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Trump is the most powerful person. I think it's fair
to say in the world. Elon Musk is the richest.
Yesterday Elon had basically what felt to me like a
temper tantrum on Twitter. He seems to have dialed it
back today. I imagine you have met Elon at some
point in time. I know you know Trump. Well, what
is your take over what happened yesterday, the relationship between

(52:20):
the two and where it goes from here.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Oh, you have two very powerful personalities who are also
very powerful in real sources. I mean, President Trump is
the most powerful man in the world, and Elon Musk
is the richest. So it's pretty interesting. I think Elon
sort of had a temper tantrum and melded down. When

(52:44):
you do forty tweets in one day, you are sort
of undermining yourself because it's hard for anyone to take
you seriously when you do that many, and I think
he was just he was angry, upset, didn't know what
to do, and acted it all out in public, which
I don't think in the long run was to Elon
musk advantage because he's.

Speaker 5 (53:05):
You know, he has a brilliant guy.

Speaker 6 (53:07):
What he's done with SpaceX, for example, has single handedly
put America back in the lead in space. So he's
a remarkable person. But at the same time, he's not
the president. He didn't have seventy seven million people vote
for him. He's not in a position to wield the
kind of power that the Constitution gives only to the

(53:27):
President of States. And I think somehow hanging out at
marl Argo and then hanging out at the White House,
Elon forgot that he was a supporter to the incumbent president.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
He wasn't an alternative.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You said, you think Trump's term in office can be
truly transformative if he's able to retain control of the
House Republicans are in the midterms next year. What do
you think now about the squabble surrounding the so called
Big Beautiful bill. Speaker Johnson got it through on the
House side. Senate, there are obstacles. What would your take

(54:05):
be based on what you have seen of this bill.
What should happen? What will happen?

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Well, I think it should pass, and I think it
will pass. It'll change form a little bit, and that's.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
The way I'm supposed to it.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
Look, the founding fathers did not want to build a
machine that you could make work so easily that a
dictator could make it work. So they designed a machine
that is so hard that we can barely get it
to work voluntarily, and they would be very happy with that.
They say, yeah, the price of freedom is that you
disperse power, so you have to get a lot of

(54:37):
people to sign off. Well, that's frustrating, it's difficult. Mike
Johnson has done a great job as Speaker of the House,
and frankly is the Senator's foon. The majority of the
Senate is doing a terrific job, and I think that
between them they seem to have a very good understanding.

(54:58):
The Senate will change the bill some some of the
will actually be an improvement, and it has to be
done carefully, and if they do it just right, I
think they'll bring the bill straight from the Senate without
a conference and end up having I would guess, a
vote in the House, and it'll be close. But my

(55:19):
hunch is that did Owen, this is.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
The heart of the Trump project.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
He has to have this bill for the economy to boom.
And I think if they get this bill through by
next June or July, will be in what will be
called the Trump boom, and we'll be creating jobs at
an unbelievable rate, and take home pay will be going up,
and affordability will be increasing, and people are going to think,
you know, this was worth the effort.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
How durable is Trump is in post Trump?

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Well, I think one of the reasons he picked JD.
Vance to be his vice president.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Vance is a year younger than Nixon was when Eisenhower
picked in, and I think one of the reasons he
did it is he wanted somebody who could carry on
the basic core messages and he thought that JD sort
of had that in his head. So I think guys
are pretty good. I mean, one of the points of
my book Trump's Triumph, The Greatest the American People's Greatest Comeback,

(56:19):
is that.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
You really had a message.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Machine, a movement, and a messenger come together that going
all the way back to gold Water in sixty four
there's been a gradual, steady increase in the desire to
replace the Washington establishment, and that Trump came along and
really focused and gave voice to the movement. And I

(56:44):
think that's now real. I think you're not going to
see a reversion to a traditional Republican winning the presidency
in twenty twenty eight. It's going to be somebody who
shares Trump's values, and the most likely person, frankly is Jdvans.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
People who are interested in reading the book, what motivated you?
You said you thought Trump was going to win, but
you're a history guy too. Were you partly writing this
book to contextualize the history in real time? What motivated
You've written a lot over the years.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Well, so much has been going on. I wanted to
put it all in historic context. And the book both
takes you back to how Trump got here, but it
also projects forward where I think it's going to go.
And I have to say, even though we began writing
in October and finished in early February, when we went
back and reviewed the book just before its publication, the

(57:34):
only two things we missed were the Gulf of America
and the desire to annex Canada, and Greemam. Other than that,
the book really did a pretty good job of capturing
where the MAGA movement was going and where Trump was going.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Speaker New Gingers, we appreciate the time, have a good weekend.
The book Trump's Triumph, America's greatest comeback, and we hope
you're having a lot of fun on the road promoting it.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
And thanks for time today.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Thank you, Take care.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Speak of New Gingrich James James Carey, that's a very
big difference, joined the United States Marine Corps after being
inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation. I
also want to mention right off the top. I know
I mentioned it earlier. I don't think I mentioned it
this hour. It's eighty first anniversary of D Day, and
I hope you'll take a little bit of time, as
I know so many people at Tunnel to Towers will.

(58:27):
I hope you'll take a little bit of time to
think about the legacy of all the bravery that we
saw on June sixth, nineteen forty four, as all of
those men stepped out into the face of the Nazi
guns all over Normandy eighty.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
One years ago.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Today, I guarantee if Frank Siller, who started Tunnel to
Towers is thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I know him well.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I guarantee you he's spending part of his day thinking
about the sacrifices those guys made and about people like
James Carey, who joined the United States Marine Corps after
being inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation.
James loved being a marine, but his life would change forever.
During a training exercise, he lost consciousness nearly drowned. The
incident resulted in a brain injury that left him blind

(59:13):
and unable to use, his body, susceptible to memory loss,
and it even brought on dementia. The Tunnel of the
Towers Foundation built James especially adapted smart home to enable
him to live more independently. Thanks to the generosity of
friends like you, the lives of America's heroes and their
families are being improved. James Carey and so many others
offer service members first responders, so many people offering the

(59:36):
ultimate sacrifice have paid a high price to keep keep
our country and our community safe. Through Tunnel the Towers,
friends like you have said thank you not only through words,
but also through actions. America's heroes need your help now
more than ever. Help heroes like James and their families
donate eleven dollars a month to Tunnel to the Towers
at t twot dot org.

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