June 11, 2025 • 50 mins
The Resistance Movement Clay Travis and Buck Sexton live from Washington, D.C. They share insights from their morning inside CIA headquarters, highlighting the agency’s role in national security and its support for President Donald Trump’s administration. The hour dives into several major political and economic developments. A key focus is the improving U.S. economy under President Trump, with inflation continuing to decline for the fourth consecutive month and wage growth outpacing the cost of goods. The hosts emphasize how this economic turnaround contrasts sharply with the Biden-era struggles, crediting Trump’s leadership for restoring financial stability. They also discuss the Federal Reserve’s potential interest rate cuts and the positive implications for mortgages, credit cards, and loans. Another major headline is the announcement of a new U.S.-China trade agreement, featuring a 50% tariff on Chinese goods and a 10% reciprocal tariff from China. The deal includes increased access to rare earth minerals, which Clay and Buck frame as a strategic win for the Trump administration and a blow to critics who predicted economic disaster under his leadership. Why Assimilation Matters analysis of the ongoing protests in Los Angeles and other cities, highlighting how President Donald Trump's administration has responded with a firm stance on law enforcement and immigration. The hosts frame this as a win for the rule of law and a political victory for President Trump and the Republican Party. A major focus is on California Governor Gavin Newsom, who is positioning himself as the leading Democrat opposing President Trump. The hosts critique Newsom’s recent speech and suggest that his strategy is a calculated move to launch a 2028 presidential campaign. They argue that Newsom’s vision of making America more like California is politically risky on a national scale, citing California’s declining appeal and governance challenges. The conversation shifts to New York, where former Governor Andrew Cuomo is reportedly eyeing a political comeback by running for mayor of New York City. The hosts speculate that Cuomo’s ultimate goal is a 2028 presidential bid, setting up a potential rivalry with other Democratic figures like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. They analyze the political subtext behind endorsements and intra-party conflicts, emphasizing the early jockeying for influence within the Democratic Party. Education and immigration policy are also central themes. The hosts criticize the strain that mass illegal immigration places on public school systems, particularly in cities like New York, where over 180 languages are spoken in schools. They argue for English as the national language and highlight the declining proficiency rates in reading and math as evidence of systemic failure. Miranda Devine Interviews President Trump An exclusive interview with New York Post columnist Miranda Devine, who recently sat down with President Trump as her first guest on her new podcast Pod Force One. Devine shares insights from their conversation, including Trump’s reflections on his childhood, his views on Elon Musk, and his strategic mindset heading into a potential second term. Trump reportedly emphasized his readiness to act decisively, his improved team, and his commitment to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Can Clay Beat Angel? Clay challenges WNBA star Angel Reese to a one-on-one basketball game, sparking humorous debate and listener reactions.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show
Live from Washington, d C. A bunch of different moving
parts on the program today, a lot of different stories underway.
We started off the day at the CIA, which I'm
(00:22):
allowed to tell you because they took a photograph of
us inside of the CIA that I imagine at some
in time will be shared. Pretty cool. I've never been
to CIA headquarters, Buck, you work for a long time.
Turning to my high schoolers, Yes, we met a lot
of people doing really good work on behalf of President
(00:43):
Trump at the CIA, and we will talk about that
a bit as the program progresses. Several different stories to
update you on. Elon Musk has apologized, as we suggested
would likely be the case, to President Trump for his
tweet that went megaviral last week. We will discuss what
(01:03):
exactly is happening there. Inflation for a fourth straight month
has come in below. Quote expert economic opinions. The important
thing about inflation is not only what is the rate
at which it is rising, but more importantly are your
wages rising faster than the cost of goods? And for
(01:27):
much of Joe Biden's tenure in office that was not
the case. That's why when you went to the grocery
store you had far less money than you did before.
It's not just that prices rose, it's that your wages
did not keep pace as a whole with the cost
of goods. That is now flipped in the President Trump economy.
(01:47):
Wage growth around four percent, which is very good, the
cost of goods growing at about two point four percent,
which is low. So that means that every single month
you are netting out on average. Somebody's financial circumstances are
not the exact same, but more money in your pocket
for the goods you are purchasing. Inflation conquered and we
(02:09):
should be having And now there is increasing motivation for this,
the FED lowering interest rates, which would be very transformative
in a positive way for overall economic circumstances. Whether it's
for mortgages, whether it's for car loans, whether it is
for credit card interest debt, all of those different things,
(02:30):
the borrowing costs would become cheaper. That is the direction
we are going. Early this morning, Trump announced also that
the China and the United States trade deal has effectively
been reached and that we are going to have consistent
fifty percent tariffs in place. China will have a ten
percent tariff on our goods, and that is another positive story.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
They're going to give a little more rare earth minerals
to us in the bargain as well, or more openness
to that, which is certainly a good thing. So we
need some of that. But progress clay on this which
we had been told all along. Oh my gosh, Trump
is going to run the global economy into a ditch.
That's the opposite of what is happening. Yes, not a
surprise to us.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We are approaching all time record highs in the stock market.
Those record highs set in February and so they are
probably going to be challenged in the near future. We
are very close, which means, basically, as we told you,
even if you bought stocks for the first time in
your life in February, that is, you had never purchased
(03:36):
stocks before in the history of your life. You had
never had a retirement account, no four to oh one k,
no stock ownership, even buck if you bought at the
absolute apex, you could not have bought at a worse time.
You bought on the day and the hour that the
all time s and P five hundred height of all
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time was hit, you have lost about one percent. So
if you just didn't pay attention at all to stock
market prices and you bought on the worst day the
all time high was set.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
On paper, Yeah, that's gonna be very few people, most
of of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The market the way it most immediately affects you has
to do with your four oh one K, your IRA,
your retirement accounts. So you're probably invested in the market
in those accounts. If you're in mutual funds for a
long period of time, and if you've just let the
money sit, it's doing what it's supposed to do. Getting
rich slowly or being wealthy slowly is the only sure
way to do it. And investing in and believing in
(04:37):
the US economy. Uh, there are otherwise. I know there
are quick ways, but I'm just saying, if you're looking
for a strategy, you want to do it slow and steady.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That wins the race. Clay.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's also I think just victory in the air so
far on the protests, which is a major a major
win for the administrations. You've got the good economic data,
the China trade uh trade movement. Let's say it's not,
you know, not a done deal, but there's certainly discussions.
I think he had a ninety minute phone call Ishesion
Paying a few days back. So Trump is very much
(05:09):
and he's isn't amazing he's doing the phone call. Yeah,
we just had an administration. We just had a president
of the United States who had people around him having
to do everything for him and make sure that he
had enough apple sauce and nap time throughout the day.
Now we have a president who is going up against
the most powerful premiere in the world who is not
(05:30):
the President of the United States, so number two and
doing I think a very good job of it. There's
supposed to be some protests elsewhere. We're watching this pretty closely.
Texas Governor Abbott, for example, saying Clay exactly what should
be said. Same thing with Governor DeSantis and Florida might
add protest all you want.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Protest is great.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You want to say that this is horrible, that they're
enforcing the law against illegals. You know, subtexts you're nuts,
But okay, fine, you know you're you're allowed to say that.
You start hurting people or breaking property or breaking laws.
Can't at block roadways. You're going to get arrested, You're
going to be held responsible. Just think about what a difference.
It is a vibe shift. As the kids say, from
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twenty twenty with BLM riots to now national Guard deployment.
We'll get into someone Gavin Newsom is saying. He clearly
is positioning himself as the leader of the nationwide Democrat
resistance to Trump. I think he is from Ghostbusters if
we were choosing the form of the destructor. I think
Gavin Newsom as the leader of the Democrats is to
our benefit. Actually, I don't think that he is going
(06:32):
to be able to be as effective on this as
he certainly thinks he will be. But the fact that
they're able to largely so far could break out and
get crazy tomorrow, but largely meet and contain this anarchy
in the streets of LA is really encouraging.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I think it, as we said yesterday, is a
lesson that Trump learned in the first term. I now
that doesn't mean that there may not be some chaos
in blue states and cities. But to your point, I
don't think anyone who runs a red state, big red states,
Florida with DeSantis, Texas with Abbott. I don't think they're
(07:09):
going Brian Kemp in Georgia, Bill Lee and Tennessee decent
population red states that might have blue cities of a
decent population inside of them. I don't think they're going
to allow this to get out of control? Now? Could
this get out of control in some blue cities in
blue states? Do I think that Tim Walls is going
to stop people from rioting in Minneapolis? Sadly no, And
(07:30):
I've bet a lot of you who are listening to
us in Minneapolis understand Chicago. I don't have a lot
of faith in Pritzker or Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The overall feeling around this, though, the zeitgeist, the sense
of the national emotions on the illegal immigration issue is
very different as a percentage, I think, than what it
was during the BLM riots COVID. It was just this
crazy time and people felt I think it was just
(08:00):
like a mass anxiety disorder that a lot of people
were suffering through at that time, and so they're very
susceptible to emotional manipulation. That's my belief. I think we
saw that play out, and that's not the hardcore left.
I just mean a lot of people all of a sudden,
I even do some conservatives. Look, there were some Republicans
who were like, you know, we need to do police reforms,
Like this does not mean we have to do police reform. Yes,
different now though, Clay, because ten plus million illegals come
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in under Biden, the exploitation of the kindness and decency
of the American people very clear for all to see,
the lawlessness, the destruction of sovereignty, and those numbers. We
talked about this yesterday, that you have legal immigrants moving
forty points toward get these illegals out of here. It
is very hard for them to run the usual playbook
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of this is racist, this is xenophobic. I mean you
have black Americans, Latino Americans, any American. Basically at this point,
any group any is saying we actually need to have
a secure border. A majority of that group is saying
we need to have a secure border. So when it's
all Americans by majority saying what the administration's doing is good,
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this is why this resistance movement is crumbling. We knew
this would be it. By the way, the deportations. We
said this from the very beginning of Trump's victory. This
would be how they try to consolidate. They don't have
it yet, but they may get some incident somewhere they're looking.
They want some grandma who seems kindly and elderly to
you know, have an incident where she falls and hits
her head during an ice ray, and then all of
(09:27):
a sudden, the protests will take on some different emotional dimension.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think they are struggling because the overwhelming majority of
Americans are on the side of the deportation. And I
think they're also struggling because they whiffed in the early
days of characterizing this by focusing on guys like a
Brao Garcia who are clearly bad dudes, and making them
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the Maryland Man, the Maryland father who actually, according to
indictment in my home state of Tennessee, was a human trafficker.
It gets harder to make a case when you pick
the wrong people to represent the case that you're going to.
This is really important what you're hitting on, and it
is the Democrats. The one thing that even under the
(10:14):
Obama years, and even at least verbally verbally and openly
on during the Biden years when it came to border enforcement,
it was always we can agree that violent criminals should
be sent out of the country. Now they didn't actually
agree in terms of what they did, but they would
say that. Now they're in a position where it's very
clear to anyone paying attention, you guys, meaning the Democrats,
(10:37):
the party overall, you don't believe that you actually want
them all to stay. You want everyone to stay, including
people who are praying on their fellow human beings and
fellow Americans, or rather Americans, not fellow Americans here who
are legals and doing things that any other country would
expel them as quickly as they possibly could as a
(10:57):
foreign national committing crimes on their soil. This is a
big This is a big change in perception. I do
think that they are using Los Angeles as a test case,
and we'll see on Saturday. There is an expectation that
they're going to have an all day protest. I think
they are trying to create social unrest in the country.
Here's the challenge that I think they're going to have one. Overwhelmingly,
(11:21):
the American public are saying, No. Two. What's the end goal.
Do you think there's anything they can do that's going
to make Trump stop trying to deport people. I just
don't think that Trump was susceptible because that was an
election year he was worried about what the optics were.
I don't think he's worried about the optics at all,
because I think he believes he's one hundred percent right.
I think it was last week I said here, the
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number one thing that I hear from friends of mine,
not in the media, but friends of mine who voted Trump,
is a version of I voted for this. I'm watching
the things happen that made me vote for Trump, in
my case for the third time. You know some of
the people I know, certainly many of the third time Trump.
It's kind of amazing think about third time Trump voters
(12:03):
haven't voted for Republican who's not Trump, and in over
a decade at least for a president. And here we
are watching how the Democrats are scrambling for some kind
of relevancy in opposition to him, and they're forced to
do things that I think put them an even weaker
political position going forward. You know, and with these protests,
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it's not hard for people to see. Hold on a second,
you're telling us that illegal aliens are like the fabric
of this nation, better than Americans, harder working than Americans,
even though they broke the law to be here and
all that. And then we see people on the streets
by the thousands in Los Angeles and people waving Mexican
flags and breaking laws and waving other flags of other countries,
(12:49):
particularly Latin American countries, and breaking our laws. Yeah, that's
why we want to legal support it, right, I mean,
this is the optics of this. What people were seeing,
and you mentioned this on X was supportive of their
perception that we have a problem that needs to be
solved with illegals who have developed political power in places
(13:10):
like Los Angeles. Think about this.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Illegal aliens are an important, an important constituency of Mayor
Karen Bass of Los Angeles and of Governor Gavin Newsom
of California. People that aren't even supposed to be in
the country in the first place. And that's a slap
in the face, that's an outrage to Americans who do
have nothing but allegiance and fealty and love for this place.
(13:32):
And it increasingly it's just it's all Americans, all colors,
racist creeds, all people who are actually supposed to be here.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
More and more of them.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know they are Democrats who are still insane, but
they're saying we don't have a country if we can't
determine who's here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
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Show YouTube channel. The protests in Los Angeles seem to
be contained for right now, although elsewhere there are reports
of efforts to spread this protest movement, including in Texas.
(15:32):
I've seen San Antonio. I've got a whole whole bunch
of places that may have these protests in the days ahead.
So we will continue to follow this very closely, and
that's something that we want to keep an eye on
because yeah, it could flare up again. But in the meantime,
(15:54):
I think this round has clearly been a victory for
not just Donald Trump and the Republicans. It's just a
victory for the rule of law, victory for sanity. And
this is why Gavin Newsom has decided as governor of California.
Wall Street journal piece today Clay naming him as the
(16:15):
leader of the opposition right, that this is how he's
trying to position himself at least. And Gavin Newsom gave
a speech last night which I think was very clearly
directed at that outcome of Oh, Gavin Newsom is now
the premier Democrat in America standing against Trump. Problem is,
I think the politics of this are far more treacherous nationally.
(16:37):
Not in California, sure, but nationally for Gavin Newsom then
maybe he even realizes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But here he is.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know that you knew this was coming, that the
emotional blackmail, the oh my gosh, these are the best
people that are being arrested.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
This is cut for Gavin Newsom addressed California, really addressed
the nation last night.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Trump is pulling a military dragnet all across Los Angeles.
Well beyond is stated intent to just go after violent
and serious criminals. His agents are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers,
and seamstresses. That's just weakness, weakness masquerading as strength. Donald
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Trump's government isn't protecting our communities. They're traumatizing our communities.
And that seems to be the entire point. If some
of us could be snatched off the streets without a
warrant based only on suspicion or skin color, then none
of us are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't think anyone's going to deport Gavin Newsom. Okay,
this none of us are safe thing is absurd. I
also think Clay that it's very clear, given what the
Biden administration did, you can't that ten million number. They
can't run from that, and everyone knows. Okay, so you guys,
when you're in charge, the Democrats are in charge the
laws all of a sudden, the same laws that bind
us in so many different ways that we may or
(17:58):
may not agree with, right depends on what you're talking about.
Those same laws include laws on immigration and on the
illegal presence that is unfortunately far too common all across
this country. When Gavin Newsom says this, uten he goes
they're arresting dishwashers and washers, et cetera. A lot of
people say, well, are they illegal, and if they are,
(18:18):
the answer is okay, then that's the law.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah. And to me, this is not even about ice
or the raids or anything else. I think Gavin Newsom,
who is a calculated guy, has made the decision this
is my way to launch my twenty twenty eight presidential campaign.
And so remember, by January of twenty twenty seven, there
will be a full on presidential campaign underway Iowa, New
(18:45):
Hampshire January February twenty twenty eight. I know it sounds
like it's a long time away, but all of these
guys are going to be raising money in the next
eighteen months. So that when they announced right after the
mid terms in January Ruary of twenty twenty seven. Heck,
remember Trump himself announced in November of twenty twenty two
(19:06):
that he was going to be running for reelection, and
DeSantis really took it on the chin because he didn't
announce until May of twenty twenty three that he was running,
and they tried to hold out for the Florida legislative
session to be over, and Trump identified DeSantis as the
only contender and basically started throwing punches at him immediately,
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and DeSantis waited a long time to respond, and by
the time he did, it was over. Now I don't
know once the raid happened on mar A Lago in
August of twenty two, if I'm remembering the chronology correctly,
I don't know that anybody could have beaten Trump to
be the nominee. But I think that the clear decision
made by Newsom here is I'm going to run anti Trump,
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which is positive in the Democrat primary. This is the
best way for me to distinguish myself. Here's the challenge.
Gavin Newsom thinks that a Americans still look to California
and see it as an aspirational goal. The problem is
most people don't see it that way anymore. And you've
talked about this, and I grew up in the same
(20:11):
era that you did, Buck where California in the nineties, Yeah,
was like a place that everybody wanted to be. California
in the early two thousands was a place that everybody
wanted to be. I think running as I'm going to
make America more like California is a disaster. And this
is one thing that I think Ron DeSantis was right about.
And if we had gotten DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty
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twenty four, I think that DeSantis would have won comfortably.
And if we get DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty twenty eight,
I think that Ron DeSantis would would win comfortably. America
doesn't want itself to look like California, and I think
that Gavin Newsom is living a generation behind in the
way that he believes America sees his state. That's to
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me what stands out here.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I also think that they have done a very poor
job of opposing Trump in a way that would bring
over people who don't already hate Trump. Right, if you're
trying to win over anybody who hasn't been anti Trump
all along, they're all the stuff that they're saying about this,
(21:18):
I think is creating a bigger problem for them in
a lot of ways. Here's here's an example. Cuomo, who
maybe the next governor of New York City. This is
cut twenty nine. This is now going over to New York.
I'm saying to say, governor, mayor, mayor of New York City,
former governor of New York, mayor of New York City.
Although this other guy, we'll talk to our New York
experts here later on about this the Democrat primary. But
(21:42):
here is the former governor of New York saying something
that I think you all need to hear. This goes
into the diversity is Our Strength situation play twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
We are the capital of diversity.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
One eighty languages spoken in our school system, different languages,
people from all across the world.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That makes a stronger, not weaker.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That is actually not a good thing, Clay. It does
not make think about this. I understand people say, oh,
but buck, people from all the world, and it's so amazing.
English as a second language instruction is a huge problem
in a lot of public schools, an enormous train on resources.
And there are the kids who speak English are having
a tough enough time getting to proficiency.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're bringing kids from.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
All over the world who come from non English I'm
talking about I'm not talking about parents who show up
who speak English. I'm talking with people whose parents speak
very little, if any, English, are on public assistance of
some kind, which we know they can get in New York,
we know they can get in California. Now they're in
the school system, and now you're trying to teach them
the skills and and particularly you know, the the language
(22:54):
skills necessary to operate at fifth grade, eighth grade, second grade,
high whatever it may be, enormously slows down the rest
of the class, enormously obstructs and costs more in learning.
But this is the thing, Oh, one hundred and eighty
languages are spoken. One thing that I want the Trump
and maybe you can bring us up tomorrow. English is
(23:15):
the national language. English as the national language, full stop.
And I live in South Florida. I gotta tell you,
I love my South Florida, but we need more English
as the national language down there too. This is something
that unites us. How can you understand the law, truly
understand the law in this country if you don't speak English,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And I mean I would just go back to the
Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. I mean, the
goal of building a great building in the Bible was
destroyed by the number of languages that suddenly everybody had
to speak. And this is this is why Bainal commentary
like diversity is our strength is actually not true, right,
(23:56):
And what I mean by that is diversity of thought
is a strength. But in order to communicate that diversity
of thought you have to be able to speak a
common language. So in order to have diversity as a strength,
there has to be an agreement on its baseline foundational
levels that allow the communication to take place. And I
(24:18):
don't think it's a bad thing to have kids learning English.
I think the problem that you're speaking of, Buck is
there are a lot of people who come to America
and aren't bothering to learn English. They aren't trying to
assimilate in some way to speak with the larger community
around them, and one hundred and eighty different languages. How
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in the world can a public school accommodate that kind
of diversity of language when it comes to being able
to instruct everybody. And so look, I understand what may
Or Cuomo is trying to say. By the way, he's
running for president in twenty twenty eight by winning new mayor.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, but New York City last year had, by their
own assessments, fifty percent proficiency at grade level in reading
and math. So half of New York City public school
kids to be not proficient based on these public school standards,
means you are way below where you need to be.
(25:21):
This is not that's remember, proficiency is not I'm getting
an A I'm good.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. Proficiency means you can.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Operate at that level generally speaking, so to be non proficient.
And so in that situation, you grow up, you're a
you're a kid, you're a Latino American kid, you're a
Black American kid in poor parts of New York City,
and you're you know, you want more attention, you want
more resources, you want a better shot. And then you've
got the illegal migrants who are showing up one hundred
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and fifty thousand of them in one year in New
York I think was that it was the height of it.
And then they're all going into the school system. Of
course that's going to slow things down. Of course that's
going to make the budgets the school system more strained
than they already are. You know, they get a lot
of money. But that's a whole other conversation, and it's
just this is basic common sense. What other country Clay
(26:09):
is prancing around and talking about how great it is
or what are their politicians? Maybe some places in Europe
that are the same problems we do, But you don't
have this anywhere else in the world where they say,
you know what we want as many people as possible
to show up here who don't speak the language and
know nothing about this place.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Let's get that going on. Well, I think the challenge
too is you said that they're saying fifty percent of
New York City kids are proficient and reading in math.
One of the big problems we have in America today
is that we continue to define standards of proficiency down.
So it's not only that let's say fifty percent of
kids are proficient, it's that proficiency in twenty twenty four
(26:49):
and twenty twenty five is quite a lot different than
proficiency in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty And by
the way, that's actually the way they shared that statistic
of New York City fourth graders last year were proficient
in math, one third proficient, two thirds not proficient at
the fourth grade level. And once you get behind at
those look. I don't want to make this just an
(27:11):
education discussion, but the point here is people recognize there
are very This is why the bussing people to Democrats strongholds.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Okay, fine, you want to play this game, Go to
New York, go to Chicago, let those cities deal with it.
This is what Governor Abbot did in Texas. Ron de
Santis did some of this as well in Florida, and
it was fine, you take these illegals. Yes, they are
very much a drain on public resources, and there are
people that need those resources who are saying, what's going
on here? Why are we devoting this to people who
(27:43):
aren't even supposed to be in the country in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
No doubt. And again, I think the under sort of
the foundational story that's going on here is you're already
starting to see aggressive jockeying to win the Democrat primary.
Prepare yourselves. If Andrew Cuomo wins the mayorship of New
York City, and I think he will, he's going to
(28:06):
run for president in twenty twenty eight. This is his
redemption arc. He can say the people of New York
forced him out as governor. He's already saying he shouldn't
have left, that he didn't actually sexually harass anybody. He's
gonna say that's in the past. I've done a great
job as mayor. I'm just telling you what his argument's
gonna be. And Gavin Newsom is coming against Trump because
he's gonna run. They're all setting up for that primary
(28:29):
and you're gonna have New York top official Cathy Hokals out.
You know, Chuck Schumer's not running, maybe AOC will vote
for me.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I will no longer grab you around the waist or
kiss you strangely on the side of the face.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That is Andrew Cuomo on the show right now. Let
me also point this outbuck AOC endorsed Andrew Cuomo's top arrival.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That they want to talk about a guy who keeps,
who holds grudges. Cuomo famously to a nasty infighter in
politics who holds a grudge for it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But don't mistake that's not because she cares who the
mayor of New York City is. That's because she wants
to cut Andrew Cuomo's legs out from underneath him, because
if he doesn't get elected mayor, she's the forefront New
York national candidate in twenty twenty eight. So sometimes you
have to look at not just the text, but the
(29:24):
subtext of what's going on. And I think you're already
seeing the political jockeying for who is gonna run in
twenty eight And by the way, you know what Kevin
Newsom will say. He'll say Trump is the worst human
who's ever existed in the Democrat primary. If he were
the nominee, you know what he tried to do. He'd
tried to say. You know, Trump actually got a lot
(29:44):
right when he ran for president in twenty twenty eight.
I had a good relationship with him. That's the pivot
that you would immediately see. Sprint to the left, become
the Democrat, you get elected anti Trump, sprint back to
the center. Trump had good ideas, but I can implement
some of them to appeal to moderate voters. He wasn't
actually the Antichrist. He wasn't actually Hitler. But first you
(30:08):
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We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fair to say all we got Carol Markowitz too. I
was going to give you the title of our favorite
person at the New York Post, but we really like
Carol Markowitz too, So I don't want to offend anybody
out there. Miranda, you just had to sit down with
President Trump in the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about
the internet now, and there are many different things. I
(32:45):
know that he told you what stood out to you
the most about the interview that you had with President
Trump from a news perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carol is great. She's a
maid of mine. So I'm glad you like us both.
Don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know sometimes,
like when we talked about Camp, David couldn't really he said,
I can't really talk about it. Ben did say that
they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran and Russia.
(33:18):
He gave you know, a lot of insights into his
conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon. He's sort
of open to reconciliation, but you know, not right now.
He's too busy. And also some of his childhood experiences.
(33:40):
You know, his father bundled him off to military school
at thirteen because he was so rambunctious, and his father
wasn't terribly thrilled when they got back some aptitude test scores.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
For we might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one, and it is underway right now, and I
(34:15):
do think it speaks to a pod Force one, sorry
is the name of her podcast. She's back with us
right now. Miranda. You popped out right there. You were
talking about Donald Trump talking about his dad shipping him
off to military school, and that's where we lost you.
What did he talk about there?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunctiously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy. And his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(34:54):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed Riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
Learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
(35:14):
it was.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Well, yes, you had played the audio already. Oh yeah,
and the memes are rolling in because I have been
attacking men who play. It's been attacking male flute players.
You leave the ladies out of this, but male flute
players he decides Miranda, there's there's some questions.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Just play's asking questions.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience. If you have a choice to play
any instrument in the world, and you picked the flute,
you have chosen very poorly, and I think that you
cannot be trusted for anything serious. Now, Trump said he
might have had a great flute playing future, but instead
he gave that up and became a multi billionaire developer.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I give him credit for abandoning the flute.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And presidents well, he said he didn't like it. Yes,
mother had sense or these instructors to the house to
get him taught to play the flute, but he did
not want to play the flute. So that didn't last
for very long. And I mean, it's just amusing. Of
all the instruments, I can't sink the one that's less
appropriate for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
there playing the was it the James Madison Donald Trump,
he could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image
among the orchestral instrument and would win community.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So there's a little bit of a loss year for
us Miranda, because I think that Trump could have you know,
he could have made flutes great again, and instead he
decided to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
How is it? You know?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
This is one of these things where Trump talks I think,
to enough people and we hear how he feels on
a lot of these policy things enough that we're pretty
up to date, pretty in tune, if you will, with
what his thinking is on a lot of things. But
in terms of his poise, the sense that this time
I'm around, he learned a lot the first time. I mean,
(37:02):
just take us into his mindset a little bit from
sitting down with him, and what you felt like you
were gathering from this guy who still has the weight
of the world on his shoulders but always seems calm,
cool and collected, except when he's a little angry.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But you know, for the most.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Part, yeah he is. And it's that confidence and sort
of New York swagger that he's just had. He's really
he as far as back as he can remember, he says,
it's just he does.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I said, you sort of act against the grain quite often,
and he says, well, you know, I've got the hat
that says Trump was always right, but he says, I
just it's I don't feel that I'm a rebel. I
just have an innate sense of what's the right thing
to do, and I do it, and I don't really
care what other people say. And he said, for instance,
he pointed to the LA riots, and you know, last
(37:52):
time he sort of regretted in twenty twenty that he
wasn't as forceful that He said. At the time, well,
I just thought, really I would leave it to the
governors to make those decisions. But obviously the Blue states,
the blue governors did not do that. Whether it was
because they thought that they, you know, it would be
a great way of beating Donald Trump at the polls
(38:13):
later that year, which I guess worked. But this time around,
he said, this is a much more consequential presidency. He
feels it because, well, in part, he said, because he's got.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Again lost again.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm back. Yeah, I'm very sorry about it, my stupid phone.
And yeah, he just feels like he's got a better
team more more like he said that I had some
stars last time, but I also had some losers, and
category did.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And it's important that he recognized that. I think Miranda.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And one of the challenges early on was Trump was
this political phenomen talking the term one, you know, first
first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But a lot of
us who were who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen,
who were excited about it, some of the people that
were in charge, whether it was the mooch or some
of the others that got into that administration, we all
knew right away, well, this is not a good you know,
(39:10):
this is not a good idea. And Trump realized that.
And this time around, I look at the team that
he's picked, and I think it's not just that we
think it's good. The results, the speed, the efficiency with
which they're moving on the agenda is the you know,
at this stage at least they still have a lot
to do. But that is the result of somebody or
those are the actions of somebody who I think clearly
(39:31):
learned a lot on the job the first time around
and came ready to play day one this time.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yes, And he said that, he in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country. But he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fixed the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage and he's confident
(39:59):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(40:21):
sort of ripoff to Elon, and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's disappointed about Iran. He said he really
thought they were going to get the deal done, but
just the last few days he's realized. He said, they've changed.
And I asked, what do you mean they've changed, And
(40:42):
he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he just
said he felt that they wanted to do a deal before.
Now he's not so sure. But either way, he said,
they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not. That's
not happening, and you know, it can either happen the
nice way, or he really doesn't want people to die.
(41:03):
But they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Where does this go? In your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent
(41:29):
genius fifty percent boy kid. And I do think there's
some truth to that as well. How would you assess
where this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when that was still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success, and I guess he's brilliant, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(41:59):
almost like you look at an insect under the glass.
You know. It's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donald Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, look, I don't bear any
(42:22):
ill will towards him, but I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, Elon may have tried to reach
out a couple of times or you know, I don't
know a bit. Not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else and we and I
(42:42):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or do a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
There are lines, and he.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Definitely cross some lines that I don't think we'll be
able to be undone. But I also think that they'll
collaborate as needed in the future, but from a more
shall we say, professional distance and less of almost like
adopted son status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he has.
And you know, it was a real romance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the why Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back,
(43:48):
and maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(44:09):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted
poor thing. I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Well. People can go listen to the full interview of
Podforce one.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Correct, Pod Force one, Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Podforce one with Miranda Devine. Go check it out where
we get your podcast. Miranda always great work, Thanks for
hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
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are fired up about this.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Clay, I've got to say I could beat a big woman,
and I'm not insulting a big women by saying that
he means tall. Yes, not like Burley not like obese,
although I do think fat women would have a tough
time with dig is the preferred like a four or
a five, A power forward or a sinner, A big
(47:10):
woman meaning tall. I think that they can't handle the
ball and I can't shoot. I would beat Angel Reese
one on one. I offered one hundred thousand dollars and
a head to head matchup. That's more than she makes
to play a whole year in the WNBA, and she
blocked me on total we have we have not in
(47:32):
real life for half.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
The dose of sanity Here from cc a podcast listener
named Charles. He wanted to weigh in on this idea,
play it play Buck loved the show, but Clay, you
cannot be Angel.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I would love to see that though.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I think I honestly would love to Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
I think if I trained, I would smoke her. My
eighth grade son his basketball team they offered to put
me through. This would be a good documentary. They were
gonna put me through training. They're pretty good. I think
they got some future d one. What are your Let's
tell it so so my moves back in the day,
(48:08):
I like to go to the hoop. Yeah, I was
a shooter, but I like to go to the hoop.
I was a big double pump layup guy. That was
my favorite. You had an old man, white man game.
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know, I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Since I would, I would so. First of all, I'm
forty six now, So my biggest concern about a one
on one matchup, and I'm just talking about half blowing
out your ACL probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained
ankle and not being able to finish the game. I
don't the Angel Reese makes about thirty five percent of
her shots, and I understand some of those are contested.
(48:47):
She's not shooting more than five feet away from the basket.
I don't think she could make contested shots against me. Now,
I am concerned for the point guards or the shooting
guards who can handle the basketball. I think they could
get to the basket and make step back shots on me.
I don't think Angel Reese could score on me. That's
(49:08):
why I get the old man hip check. You know
what I mean. You got throw that weight around a
little bit. I mean Angel Reese is six'. THREE i
am six. FOOT i bet we probably jump about the same.
Height it's like she's gonna dunk on. ME i THINK
i could box her. OUT i Think i'm a better
outside shooter Than Angel.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Reese and IF i got video of you popping the,
game IF i can see if you actually can. Shoot
IF i got to play with the girl sized, basketball
which is, SMALLER i could paulm that thing Like I'm shaquille.
O'Neill i would make a lot of outside. Shots if
it's like A papa. Shot remember When Ted cruz Played Jimmy.
Kimmel i'll tell YOU i would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in
(49:47):
one on. One do you think you could Beat Jimmy
kimmel on one on?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
One?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yes, okay, now all, right all, right, YEAH i THINK
i would beat. You next question is you Versus. TED
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Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show
Live from Washington, d C. A bunch of different moving
parts on the program today, a lot of different stories underway.
We started off the day at the CIA, which I'm
(00:22):
allowed to tell you because they took a photograph of
us inside of the CIA that I imagine at some
in time will be shared. Pretty cool. I've never been
to CIA headquarters, Buck, you work for a long time.
Turning to my high schoolers, Yes, we met a lot
of people doing really good work on behalf of President
(00:43):
Trump at the CIA, and we will talk about that
a bit as the program progresses. Several different stories to
update you on. Elon Musk has apologized, as we suggested
would likely be the case, to President Trump for his
tweet that went megaviral last week. We will discuss what
(01:03):
exactly is happening there. Inflation for a fourth straight month
has come in below. Quote expert economic opinions. The important
thing about inflation is not only what is the rate
at which it is rising, but more importantly are your
wages rising faster than the cost of goods? And for
(01:27):
much of Joe Biden's tenure in office that was not
the case. That's why when you went to the grocery
store you had far less money than you did before.
It's not just that prices rose, it's that your wages
did not keep pace as a whole with the cost
of goods. That is now flipped in the President Trump economy.
(01:47):
Wage growth around four percent, which is very good, the
cost of goods growing at about two point four percent,
which is low. So that means that every single month
you are netting out on average. Somebody's financial circumstances are
not the exact same, but more money in your pocket
for the goods you are purchasing. Inflation conquered and we
(02:09):
should be having And now there is increasing motivation for this,
the FED lowering interest rates, which would be very transformative
in a positive way for overall economic circumstances. Whether it's
for mortgages, whether it's for car loans, whether it is
for credit card interest debt, all of those different things,
(02:30):
the borrowing costs would become cheaper. That is the direction
we are going. Early this morning, Trump announced also that
the China and the United States trade deal has effectively
been reached and that we are going to have consistent
fifty percent tariffs in place. China will have a ten
percent tariff on our goods, and that is another positive story.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
They're going to give a little more rare earth minerals
to us in the bargain as well, or more openness
to that, which is certainly a good thing. So we
need some of that. But progress clay on this which
we had been told all along. Oh my gosh, Trump
is going to run the global economy into a ditch.
That's the opposite of what is happening. Yes, not a
surprise to us.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
We are approaching all time record highs in the stock market.
Those record highs set in February and so they are
probably going to be challenged in the near future. We
are very close, which means, basically, as we told you,
even if you bought stocks for the first time in
your life in February, that is, you had never purchased
(03:36):
stocks before in the history of your life. You had
never had a retirement account, no four to oh one k,
no stock ownership, even buck if you bought at the
absolute apex, you could not have bought at a worse time.
You bought on the day and the hour that the
all time s and P five hundred height of all
(03:57):
time was hit, you have lost about one percent. So
if you just didn't pay attention at all to stock
market prices and you bought on the worst day the
all time high was set.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
On paper, Yeah, that's gonna be very few people, most
of of all of us.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
The market the way it most immediately affects you has
to do with your four oh one K, your IRA,
your retirement accounts. So you're probably invested in the market
in those accounts. If you're in mutual funds for a
long period of time, and if you've just let the
money sit, it's doing what it's supposed to do. Getting
rich slowly or being wealthy slowly is the only sure
way to do it. And investing in and believing in
(04:37):
the US economy. Uh, there are otherwise. I know there
are quick ways, but I'm just saying, if you're looking
for a strategy, you want to do it slow and steady.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
That wins the race. Clay.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's also I think just victory in the air so
far on the protests, which is a major a major
win for the administrations. You've got the good economic data,
the China trade uh trade movement. Let's say it's not,
you know, not a done deal, but there's certainly discussions.
I think he had a ninety minute phone call Ishesion
Paying a few days back. So Trump is very much
(05:09):
and he's isn't amazing he's doing the phone call. Yeah,
we just had an administration. We just had a president
of the United States who had people around him having
to do everything for him and make sure that he
had enough apple sauce and nap time throughout the day.
Now we have a president who is going up against
the most powerful premiere in the world who is not
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the President of the United States, so number two and
doing I think a very good job of it. There's
supposed to be some protests elsewhere. We're watching this pretty closely.
Texas Governor Abbott, for example, saying Clay exactly what should
be said. Same thing with Governor DeSantis and Florida might
add protest all you want.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Protest is great.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You want to say that this is horrible, that they're
enforcing the law against illegals. You know, subtexts you're nuts,
But okay, fine, you know you're you're allowed to say that.
You start hurting people or breaking property or breaking laws.
Can't at block roadways. You're going to get arrested, You're
going to be held responsible. Just think about what a difference.
It is a vibe shift. As the kids say, from
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twenty twenty with BLM riots to now national Guard deployment.
We'll get into someone Gavin Newsom is saying. He clearly
is positioning himself as the leader of the nationwide Democrat
resistance to Trump. I think he is from Ghostbusters if
we were choosing the form of the destructor. I think
Gavin Newsom as the leader of the Democrats is to
our benefit. Actually, I don't think that he is going
(06:32):
to be able to be as effective on this as
he certainly thinks he will be. But the fact that
they're able to largely so far could break out and
get crazy tomorrow, but largely meet and contain this anarchy
in the streets of LA is really encouraging.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And I think it, as we said yesterday, is a
lesson that Trump learned in the first term. I now
that doesn't mean that there may not be some chaos
in blue states and cities. But to your point, I
don't think anyone who runs a red state, big red states,
Florida with DeSantis, Texas with Abbott. I don't think they're
(07:09):
going Brian Kemp in Georgia, Bill Lee and Tennessee decent
population red states that might have blue cities of a
decent population inside of them. I don't think they're going
to allow this to get out of control? Now? Could
this get out of control in some blue cities in
blue states? Do I think that Tim Walls is going
to stop people from rioting in Minneapolis? Sadly no, And
(07:30):
I've bet a lot of you who are listening to
us in Minneapolis understand Chicago. I don't have a lot
of faith in Pritzker or Brandon Johnson.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
The overall feeling around this, though, the zeitgeist, the sense
of the national emotions on the illegal immigration issue is
very different as a percentage, I think, than what it
was during the BLM riots COVID. It was just this
crazy time and people felt I think it was just
(08:00):
like a mass anxiety disorder that a lot of people
were suffering through at that time, and so they're very
susceptible to emotional manipulation. That's my belief. I think we
saw that play out, and that's not the hardcore left.
I just mean a lot of people all of a sudden,
I even do some conservatives. Look, there were some Republicans
who were like, you know, we need to do police reforms,
Like this does not mean we have to do police reform. Yes,
different now though, Clay, because ten plus million illegals come
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in under Biden, the exploitation of the kindness and decency
of the American people very clear for all to see,
the lawlessness, the destruction of sovereignty, and those numbers. We
talked about this yesterday, that you have legal immigrants moving
forty points toward get these illegals out of here. It
is very hard for them to run the usual playbook
(08:44):
of this is racist, this is xenophobic. I mean you
have black Americans, Latino Americans, any American. Basically at this point,
any group any is saying we actually need to have
a secure border. A majority of that group is saying
we need to have a secure border. So when it's
all Americans by majority saying what the administration's doing is good,
(09:05):
this is why this resistance movement is crumbling. We knew
this would be it. By the way, the deportations. We
said this from the very beginning of Trump's victory. This
would be how they try to consolidate. They don't have
it yet, but they may get some incident somewhere they're looking.
They want some grandma who seems kindly and elderly to
you know, have an incident where she falls and hits
her head during an ice ray, and then all of
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a sudden, the protests will take on some different emotional dimension.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I think they are struggling because the overwhelming majority of
Americans are on the side of the deportation. And I
think they're also struggling because they whiffed in the early
days of characterizing this by focusing on guys like a
Brao Garcia who are clearly bad dudes, and making them
(09:52):
the Maryland Man, the Maryland father who actually, according to
indictment in my home state of Tennessee, was a human trafficker.
It gets harder to make a case when you pick
the wrong people to represent the case that you're going to.
This is really important what you're hitting on, and it
is the Democrats. The one thing that even under the
(10:14):
Obama years, and even at least verbally verbally and openly
on during the Biden years when it came to border enforcement,
it was always we can agree that violent criminals should
be sent out of the country. Now they didn't actually
agree in terms of what they did, but they would
say that. Now they're in a position where it's very
clear to anyone paying attention, you guys, meaning the Democrats,
(10:37):
the party overall, you don't believe that you actually want
them all to stay. You want everyone to stay, including
people who are praying on their fellow human beings and
fellow Americans, or rather Americans, not fellow Americans here who
are legals and doing things that any other country would
expel them as quickly as they possibly could as a
(10:57):
foreign national committing crimes on their soil. This is a
big This is a big change in perception. I do
think that they are using Los Angeles as a test case,
and we'll see on Saturday. There is an expectation that
they're going to have an all day protest. I think
they are trying to create social unrest in the country.
Here's the challenge that I think they're going to have one. Overwhelmingly,
(11:21):
the American public are saying, No. Two. What's the end goal.
Do you think there's anything they can do that's going
to make Trump stop trying to deport people. I just
don't think that Trump was susceptible because that was an
election year he was worried about what the optics were.
I don't think he's worried about the optics at all,
because I think he believes he's one hundred percent right.
I think it was last week I said here, the
(11:42):
number one thing that I hear from friends of mine,
not in the media, but friends of mine who voted Trump,
is a version of I voted for this. I'm watching
the things happen that made me vote for Trump, in
my case for the third time. You know some of
the people I know, certainly many of the third time Trump.
It's kind of amazing think about third time Trump voters
(12:03):
haven't voted for Republican who's not Trump, and in over
a decade at least for a president. And here we
are watching how the Democrats are scrambling for some kind
of relevancy in opposition to him, and they're forced to
do things that I think put them an even weaker
political position going forward. You know, and with these protests,
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it's not hard for people to see. Hold on a second,
you're telling us that illegal aliens are like the fabric
of this nation, better than Americans, harder working than Americans,
even though they broke the law to be here and
all that. And then we see people on the streets
by the thousands in Los Angeles and people waving Mexican
flags and breaking laws and waving other flags of other countries,
(12:49):
particularly Latin American countries, and breaking our laws. Yeah, that's
why we want to legal support it, right, I mean,
this is the optics of this. What people were seeing,
and you mentioned this on X was supportive of their
perception that we have a problem that needs to be
solved with illegals who have developed political power in places
(13:10):
like Los Angeles. Think about this.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Illegal aliens are an important, an important constituency of Mayor
Karen Bass of Los Angeles and of Governor Gavin Newsom
of California. People that aren't even supposed to be in
the country in the first place. And that's a slap
in the face, that's an outrage to Americans who do
have nothing but allegiance and fealty and love for this place.
(13:32):
And it increasingly it's just it's all Americans, all colors,
racist creeds, all people who are actually supposed to be here.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
More and more of them.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know they are Democrats who are still insane, but
they're saying we don't have a country if we can't
determine who's here.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
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be contained for right now, although elsewhere there are reports
of efforts to spread this protest movement, including in Texas.
(15:32):
I've seen San Antonio. I've got a whole whole bunch
of places that may have these protests in the days ahead.
So we will continue to follow this very closely, and
that's something that we want to keep an eye on
because yeah, it could flare up again. But in the meantime,
(15:54):
I think this round has clearly been a victory for
not just Donald Trump and the Republicans. It's just a
victory for the rule of law, victory for sanity. And
this is why Gavin Newsom has decided as governor of California.
Wall Street journal piece today Clay naming him as the
(16:15):
leader of the opposition right, that this is how he's
trying to position himself at least. And Gavin Newsom gave
a speech last night which I think was very clearly
directed at that outcome of Oh, Gavin Newsom is now
the premier Democrat in America standing against Trump. Problem is,
I think the politics of this are far more treacherous nationally.
(16:37):
Not in California, sure, but nationally for Gavin Newsom then
maybe he even realizes.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But here he is.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know that you knew this was coming, that the
emotional blackmail, the oh my gosh, these are the best
people that are being arrested.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Why is he allowing this?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
This is cut for Gavin Newsom addressed California, really addressed
the nation last night.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Play it.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Trump is pulling a military dragnet all across Los Angeles.
Well beyond is stated intent to just go after violent
and serious criminals. His agents are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers,
and seamstresses. That's just weakness, weakness masquerading as strength. Donald
(17:19):
Trump's government isn't protecting our communities. They're traumatizing our communities.
And that seems to be the entire point. If some
of us could be snatched off the streets without a
warrant based only on suspicion or skin color, then none
of us are safe.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I don't think anyone's going to deport Gavin Newsom. Okay,
this none of us are safe thing is absurd. I
also think Clay that it's very clear, given what the
Biden administration did, you can't that ten million number. They
can't run from that, and everyone knows. Okay, so you guys,
when you're in charge, the Democrats are in charge the
laws all of a sudden, the same laws that bind
us in so many different ways that we may or
(17:58):
may not agree with, right depends on what you're talking about.
Those same laws include laws on immigration and on the
illegal presence that is unfortunately far too common all across
this country. When Gavin Newsom says this, uten he goes
they're arresting dishwashers and washers, et cetera. A lot of
people say, well, are they illegal, and if they are,
(18:18):
the answer is okay, then that's the law.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah. And to me, this is not even about ice
or the raids or anything else. I think Gavin Newsom,
who is a calculated guy, has made the decision this
is my way to launch my twenty twenty eight presidential campaign.
And so remember, by January of twenty twenty seven, there
will be a full on presidential campaign underway Iowa, New
(18:45):
Hampshire January February twenty twenty eight. I know it sounds
like it's a long time away, but all of these
guys are going to be raising money in the next
eighteen months. So that when they announced right after the
mid terms in January Ruary of twenty twenty seven. Heck,
remember Trump himself announced in November of twenty twenty two
(19:06):
that he was going to be running for reelection, and
DeSantis really took it on the chin because he didn't
announce until May of twenty twenty three that he was running,
and they tried to hold out for the Florida legislative
session to be over, and Trump identified DeSantis as the
only contender and basically started throwing punches at him immediately,
(19:28):
and DeSantis waited a long time to respond, and by
the time he did, it was over. Now I don't
know once the raid happened on mar A Lago in
August of twenty two, if I'm remembering the chronology correctly,
I don't know that anybody could have beaten Trump to
be the nominee. But I think that the clear decision
made by Newsom here is I'm going to run anti Trump,
(19:51):
which is positive in the Democrat primary. This is the
best way for me to distinguish myself. Here's the challenge.
Gavin Newsom thinks that a Americans still look to California
and see it as an aspirational goal. The problem is
most people don't see it that way anymore. And you've
talked about this, and I grew up in the same
(20:11):
era that you did, Buck where California in the nineties, Yeah,
was like a place that everybody wanted to be. California
in the early two thousands was a place that everybody
wanted to be. I think running as I'm going to
make America more like California is a disaster. And this
is one thing that I think Ron DeSantis was right about.
And if we had gotten DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty
(20:33):
twenty four, I think that DeSantis would have won comfortably.
And if we get DeSantis versus Newsom in twenty twenty eight,
I think that Ron DeSantis would would win comfortably. America
doesn't want itself to look like California, and I think
that Gavin Newsom is living a generation behind in the
way that he believes America sees his state. That's to
(20:54):
me what stands out here.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I also think that they have done a very poor
job of opposing Trump in a way that would bring
over people who don't already hate Trump. Right, if you're
trying to win over anybody who hasn't been anti Trump
all along, they're all the stuff that they're saying about this,
(21:18):
I think is creating a bigger problem for them in
a lot of ways. Here's here's an example. Cuomo, who
maybe the next governor of New York City. This is
cut twenty nine. This is now going over to New York.
I'm saying to say, governor, mayor, mayor of New York City,
former governor of New York, mayor of New York City.
Although this other guy, we'll talk to our New York
experts here later on about this the Democrat primary. But
(21:42):
here is the former governor of New York saying something
that I think you all need to hear. This goes
into the diversity is Our Strength situation play twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
We are the capital of diversity.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
One eighty languages spoken in our school system, different languages,
people from all across the world.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That makes a stronger, not weaker.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
That is actually not a good thing, Clay. It does
not make think about this. I understand people say, oh,
but buck, people from all the world, and it's so amazing.
English as a second language instruction is a huge problem
in a lot of public schools, an enormous train on resources.
And there are the kids who speak English are having
a tough enough time getting to proficiency.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're bringing kids from.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
All over the world who come from non English I'm
talking about I'm not talking about parents who show up
who speak English. I'm talking with people whose parents speak
very little, if any, English, are on public assistance of
some kind, which we know they can get in New York,
we know they can get in California. Now they're in
the school system, and now you're trying to teach them
the skills and and particularly you know, the the language
(22:54):
skills necessary to operate at fifth grade, eighth grade, second grade,
high whatever it may be, enormously slows down the rest
of the class, enormously obstructs and costs more in learning.
But this is the thing, Oh, one hundred and eighty
languages are spoken. One thing that I want the Trump
and maybe you can bring us up tomorrow. English is
(23:15):
the national language. English as the national language, full stop.
And I live in South Florida. I gotta tell you,
I love my South Florida, but we need more English
as the national language down there too. This is something
that unites us. How can you understand the law, truly
understand the law in this country if you don't speak English,
you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And I mean I would just go back to the
Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. I mean, the
goal of building a great building in the Bible was
destroyed by the number of languages that suddenly everybody had
to speak. And this is this is why Bainal commentary
like diversity is our strength is actually not true, right,
(23:56):
And what I mean by that is diversity of thought
is a strength. But in order to communicate that diversity
of thought you have to be able to speak a
common language. So in order to have diversity as a strength,
there has to be an agreement on its baseline foundational
levels that allow the communication to take place. And I
(24:18):
don't think it's a bad thing to have kids learning English.
I think the problem that you're speaking of, Buck is
there are a lot of people who come to America
and aren't bothering to learn English. They aren't trying to
assimilate in some way to speak with the larger community
around them, and one hundred and eighty different languages. How
(24:39):
in the world can a public school accommodate that kind
of diversity of language when it comes to being able
to instruct everybody. And so look, I understand what may
Or Cuomo is trying to say. By the way, he's
running for president in twenty twenty eight by winning new mayor.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, but New York City last year had, by their
own assessments, fifty percent proficiency at grade level in reading
and math. So half of New York City public school
kids to be not proficient based on these public school standards,
means you are way below where you need to be.
(25:21):
This is not that's remember, proficiency is not I'm getting
an A I'm good.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah. Proficiency means you can.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Operate at that level generally speaking, so to be non proficient.
And so in that situation, you grow up, you're a
you're a kid, you're a Latino American kid, you're a
Black American kid in poor parts of New York City,
and you're you know, you want more attention, you want
more resources, you want a better shot. And then you've
got the illegal migrants who are showing up one hundred
(25:48):
and fifty thousand of them in one year in New
York I think was that it was the height of it.
And then they're all going into the school system. Of
course that's going to slow things down. Of course that's
going to make the budgets the school system more strained
than they already are. You know, they get a lot
of money. But that's a whole other conversation, and it's
just this is basic common sense. What other country Clay
(26:09):
is prancing around and talking about how great it is
or what are their politicians? Maybe some places in Europe
that are the same problems we do, But you don't
have this anywhere else in the world where they say,
you know what we want as many people as possible
to show up here who don't speak the language and
know nothing about this place.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Let's get that going on. Well, I think the challenge
too is you said that they're saying fifty percent of
New York City kids are proficient and reading in math.
One of the big problems we have in America today
is that we continue to define standards of proficiency down.
So it's not only that let's say fifty percent of
kids are proficient, it's that proficiency in twenty twenty four
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and twenty twenty five is quite a lot different than
proficiency in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty And by
the way, that's actually the way they shared that statistic
of New York City fourth graders last year were proficient
in math, one third proficient, two thirds not proficient at
the fourth grade level. And once you get behind at
those look. I don't want to make this just an
(27:11):
education discussion, but the point here is people recognize there
are very This is why the bussing people to Democrats strongholds.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Okay, fine, you want to play this game, Go to
New York, go to Chicago, let those cities deal with it.
This is what Governor Abbot did in Texas. Ron de
Santis did some of this as well in Florida, and
it was fine, you take these illegals. Yes, they are
very much a drain on public resources, and there are
people that need those resources who are saying, what's going
on here? Why are we devoting this to people who
(27:43):
aren't even supposed to be in the country in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
No doubt. And again, I think the under sort of
the foundational story that's going on here is you're already
starting to see aggressive jockeying to win the Democrat primary.
Prepare yourselves. If Andrew Cuomo wins the mayorship of New
York City, and I think he will, he's going to
(28:06):
run for president in twenty twenty eight. This is his
redemption arc. He can say the people of New York
forced him out as governor. He's already saying he shouldn't
have left, that he didn't actually sexually harass anybody. He's
gonna say that's in the past. I've done a great
job as mayor. I'm just telling you what his argument's
gonna be. And Gavin Newsom is coming against Trump because
he's gonna run. They're all setting up for that primary
(28:29):
and you're gonna have New York top official Cathy Hokals out.
You know, Chuck Schumer's not running, maybe AOC will vote
for me.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I will no longer grab you around the waist or
kiss you strangely on the side of the face.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
That is Andrew Cuomo on the show right now. Let
me also point this outbuck AOC endorsed Andrew Cuomo's top arrival.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
That they want to talk about a guy who keeps,
who holds grudges. Cuomo famously to a nasty infighter in
politics who holds a grudge for it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But don't mistake that's not because she cares who the
mayor of New York City is. That's because she wants
to cut Andrew Cuomo's legs out from underneath him, because
if he doesn't get elected mayor, she's the forefront New
York national candidate in twenty twenty eight. So sometimes you
have to look at not just the text, but the
(29:24):
subtext of what's going on. And I think you're already
seeing the political jockeying for who is gonna run in
twenty eight And by the way, you know what Kevin
Newsom will say. He'll say Trump is the worst human
who's ever existed in the Democrat primary. If he were
the nominee, you know what he tried to do. He'd
tried to say. You know, Trump actually got a lot
(29:44):
right when he ran for president in twenty twenty eight.
I had a good relationship with him. That's the pivot
that you would immediately see. Sprint to the left, become
the Democrat, you get elected anti Trump, sprint back to
the center. Trump had good ideas, but I can implement
some of them to appeal to moderate voters. He wasn't
actually the Antichrist. He wasn't actually Hitler. But first you
(30:08):
have to say he's the Antichrist and he's Hitler. It's
so predictable, But I think it's important to not just
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We're joined now by Miranda Devine. I think it's probably
fair to say all we got Carol Markowitz too. I
was going to give you the title of our favorite
person at the New York Post, but we really like
Carol Markowitz too, So I don't want to offend anybody
out there. Miranda, you just had to sit down with
President Trump in the Oval Office. It is ricocheting about
the internet now, and there are many different things. I
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know that he told you what stood out to you
the most about the interview that you had with President
Trump from a news perspective.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, thanks so much. And Carol is great. She's a
maid of mine. So I'm glad you like us both.
Don Trump was just incredibly generous with his time and
also his candor. He is just so frank, you know sometimes,
like when we talked about Camp, David couldn't really he said,
I can't really talk about it. Ben did say that
they'd been talking about, you know, obviously Iran and Russia.
(33:18):
He gave you know, a lot of insights into his
conversations with world leaders, his problems with Elon. He's sort
of open to reconciliation, but you know, not right now.
He's too busy. And also some of his childhood experiences.
(33:40):
You know, his father bundled him off to military school
at thirteen because he was so rambunctious, and his father
wasn't terribly thrilled when they got back some aptitude test scores.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
For we might have just lost her there for a minute.
Sounded like she popped out. I hope that doesn't mean
that we popped out. So I'm going to keep talking
until the team tells me whether or not we've popped out.
But Buck, this is Miranda Devine the podcast called air
Pod one, and it is underway right now, and I
(34:15):
do think it speaks to a pod Force one, sorry
is the name of her podcast. She's back with us
right now. Miranda. You popped out right there. You were
talking about Donald Trump talking about his dad shipping him
off to military school, and that's where we lost you.
What did he talk about there?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
So, yeah, his dad just shipped him off to military
school at age thirteen because he was so rambunctiously. He
wanted to get him straightened out a bit. And also
his parents sent him off to aptitude testing when he
was a young boy. And his father was not altogether
thrilled to find out that Donald Trump's genius is musical.
(34:54):
He is a musical genius. Apparently he can pick a
nose and remember it, you know, an hour later. So
he sort of laughed Riley and said, well, you know,
that wasn't really a talent my father particularly wanted me
to have, but his mother got him too. After that,
Learn a musical instrument and you will never guess what
(35:14):
it was.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Well, yes, you had played the audio already. Oh yeah,
and the memes are rolling in because I have been
attacking men who play. It's been attacking male flute players.
You leave the ladies out of this, but male flute
players he decides Miranda, there's there's some questions.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Just play's asking questions.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I asked them so many questions for some of our
flute playing audience. If you have a choice to play
any instrument in the world, and you picked the flute,
you have chosen very poorly, and I think that you
cannot be trusted for anything serious. Now, Trump said he
might have had a great flute playing future, but instead
he gave that up and became a multi billionaire developer.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I give him credit for abandoning the flute.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And presidents well, he said he didn't like it. Yes,
mother had sense or these instructors to the house to
get him taught to play the flute, but he did
not want to play the flute. So that didn't last
for very long. And I mean, it's just amusing. Of
all the instruments, I can't sink the one that's less
appropriate for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
By the way, he and Lizzo could have been out
there playing the was it the James Madison Donald Trump,
he could have single handedly rehabilitated the whole flute image
among the orchestral instrument and would win community.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
So there's a little bit of a loss year for
us Miranda, because I think that Trump could have you know,
he could have made flutes great again, and instead he
decided to become president and try to save the free world.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
How is it? You know?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
This is one of these things where Trump talks I think,
to enough people and we hear how he feels on
a lot of these policy things enough that we're pretty
up to date, pretty in tune, if you will, with
what his thinking is on a lot of things. But
in terms of his poise, the sense that this time
I'm around, he learned a lot the first time. I mean,
(37:02):
just take us into his mindset a little bit from
sitting down with him, and what you felt like you
were gathering from this guy who still has the weight
of the world on his shoulders but always seems calm,
cool and collected, except when he's a little angry.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But you know, for the most.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Part, yeah he is. And it's that confidence and sort
of New York swagger that he's just had. He's really
he as far as back as he can remember, he says,
it's just he does.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I said, you sort of act against the grain quite often,
and he says, well, you know, I've got the hat
that says Trump was always right, but he says, I
just it's I don't feel that I'm a rebel. I
just have an innate sense of what's the right thing
to do, and I do it, and I don't really
care what other people say. And he said, for instance,
he pointed to the LA riots, and you know, last
(37:52):
time he sort of regretted in twenty twenty that he
wasn't as forceful that He said. At the time, well,
I just thought, really I would leave it to the
governors to make those decisions. But obviously the Blue states,
the blue governors did not do that. Whether it was
because they thought that they, you know, it would be
a great way of beating Donald Trump at the polls
(38:13):
later that year, which I guess worked. But this time around,
he said, this is a much more consequential presidency. He
feels it because, well, in part, he said, because he's got.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Again lost again.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
I'm back. Yeah, I'm very sorry about it, my stupid phone.
And yeah, he just feels like he's got a better
team more more like he said that I had some
stars last time, but I also had some losers, and
category did.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
And it's important that he recognized that. I think Miranda.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
And one of the challenges early on was Trump was
this political phenomen talking the term one, you know, first
first administration. He's this political phenomenon. But a lot of
us who were who voted for Trump in twenty sixteen,
who were excited about it, some of the people that
were in charge, whether it was the mooch or some
of the others that got into that administration, we all
knew right away, well, this is not a good you know,
(39:10):
this is not a good idea. And Trump realized that.
And this time around, I look at the team that
he's picked, and I think it's not just that we
think it's good. The results, the speed, the efficiency with
which they're moving on the agenda is the you know,
at this stage at least they still have a lot
to do. But that is the result of somebody or
those are the actions of somebody who I think clearly
(39:31):
learned a lot on the job the first time around
and came ready to play day one this time.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yes, And he said that, he in fact said, you know,
having that four years in between, I mean, he could
not have been more negative about Joe Biden and how
he destroyed the country. But he said, people saw how
bad it was, and you know, he'd fixed the border,
but he got no credit for it. But this time
he's absolutely determined to undo the damage and he's confident
(39:59):
that he will be able to do it. He's very
bullish on the economy and his big beautiful bill. He says, well,
he says only phase one. He's got other things to do,
and he reckons that the economic boost that it will
give us will pay for they'll be able to start
paying down the debt, so you know, and that was
(40:21):
sort of ripoff to Elon, and he's just very bullish
and confident. The only thing I did pick up was,
you know, he's disappointed about Iran. He said he really
thought they were going to get the deal done, but
just the last few days he's realized. He said, they've changed.
And I asked, what do you mean they've changed, And
(40:42):
he wouldn't really be drawn on that, but he just
said he felt that they wanted to do a deal before.
Now he's not so sure. But either way, he said,
they're not getting a nuclear bomb. They are not. That's
not happening, and you know, it can either happen the
nice way, or he really doesn't want people to die.
(41:03):
But they're not getting the nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Where does this go? In your mind? The Elon Trump
relationship a lot of drama Trump. Elon apologized to Trump
publicly last night, it seems, and I bet you felt
kind of the same way that Trump has been somewhat
restrained in his response to Elon. And there's reports out
there that he basically considers Elon to be fifty percent
(41:29):
genius fifty percent boy kid. And I do think there's
some truth to that as well. How would you assess
where this goes from here?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, you're absolutely spot on. I mean, he does you know.
I think I got the impression when that was still
in good company together that Trump was fascinated by him
because of his success, and I guess he's brilliant, and
so he was sort of watching him and looking at
him and engaged in conversation with him, but listening very intently,
(41:59):
almost like you look at an insect under the glass.
You know. It's not in a mean way, in a
nice way. I mean, he's quite paternal with him. I
felt Elon Musk treated Donald Trump as a father figure,
which is really why it's so sad that it's all
blown up. Look, I asked Donald Trump a few times
about Elon, and he said, look, I don't bear any
(42:22):
ill will towards him, but I am just too busy
fixing the world. I'm not thinking about him. And you know,
I believe, you know, Elon may have tried to reach
out a couple of times or you know, I don't
know a bit. Not that Donald Trump told me that,
but I heard that somewhere else and we and I
(42:42):
think that he's just letting him cool off. And I
don't know that Donald Trump will ever be able to
have that same very close relationship because Elon, even though
he's apologized, he kind of broke something.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, there are things you can't say.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I think we all just know this from our own lives,
whether it's to your spouse or do a colleague or
a close friend.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
There are lines, and he.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Definitely cross some lines that I don't think we'll be
able to be undone. But I also think that they'll
collaborate as needed in the future, but from a more
shall we say, professional distance and less of almost like
adopted son status, which is what Elon.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It felt like Elon was getting there for a while.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yes, And I mean Elon's own father was so disastrous
for him. I think that's a need that he has.
And you know, it was a real romance. I mean,
he was sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom. He really admired
Donald Trump enormously and it was almost a childlike from
my observation, and certainly I think that's the why Donald
Trump felt. But you know, you just can't go back,
(43:48):
and maybe it's a lesson that Elon will have. But look,
Donald Trump is showing that he's not going to be
nasty to Elon, and he really could have. Normally he
strikes back quite unkindly, but he also is quite a
sensitive man. I think he has insight into other people's feelings,
and I think he knew that Elon was sort of
(44:09):
in a bit of a manic phase and would regret
what he'd said, which obviously he has because he's tweeted
poor thing. I mean, you wouldn't want to be Elon.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Well. People can go listen to the full interview of
Podforce one.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Correct, Pod Force one, Yes.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Podforce one with Miranda Devine. Go check it out where
we get your podcast. Miranda always great work, Thanks for
hanging out with us.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
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Speaker 1 (46:47):
Clay, I've got to say I could beat a big woman,
and I'm not insulting a big women by saying that
he means tall. Yes, not like Burley not like obese,
although I do think fat women would have a tough
time with dig is the preferred like a four or
a five, A power forward or a sinner, A big
(47:10):
woman meaning tall. I think that they can't handle the
ball and I can't shoot. I would beat Angel Reese
one on one. I offered one hundred thousand dollars and
a head to head matchup. That's more than she makes
to play a whole year in the WNBA, and she
blocked me on total we have we have not in
(47:32):
real life for half.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
The dose of sanity Here from cc a podcast listener
named Charles. He wanted to weigh in on this idea,
play it play Buck loved the show, but Clay, you
cannot be Angel.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I would love to see that though.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
I think I honestly would love to Like I'll throw
money into this pot too. I'm excited about this idea.
I think if I trained, I would smoke her. My
eighth grade son his basketball team they offered to put
me through. This would be a good documentary. They were
gonna put me through training. They're pretty good. I think
they got some future d one. What are your Let's
tell it so so my moves back in the day,
(48:08):
I like to go to the hoop. Yeah, I was
a shooter, but I like to go to the hoop.
I was a big double pump layup guy. That was
my favorite. You had an old man, white man game.
Oh yeah, we're young. I was big into boxing out.
You know, I do that boxing out. The coach would
always be excited if you did that. Uh but what
was your coach? Are you a skyhook guy?
Speaker 1 (48:25):
Since I would, I would so. First of all, I'm
forty six now, So my biggest concern about a one
on one matchup, and I'm just talking about half blowing
out your ACL probably oh yeah, or a bad sprained
ankle and not being able to finish the game. I
don't the Angel Reese makes about thirty five percent of
her shots, and I understand some of those are contested.
(48:47):
She's not shooting more than five feet away from the basket.
I don't think she could make contested shots against me. Now,
I am concerned for the point guards or the shooting
guards who can handle the basketball. I think they could
get to the basket and make step back shots on me.
I don't think Angel Reese could score on me. That's
(49:08):
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Height it's like she's gonna dunk on. ME i THINK
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outside shooter Than Angel.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Reese and IF i got video of you popping the,
game IF i can see if you actually can. Shoot
IF i got to play with the girl sized, basketball
which is, SMALLER i could paulm that thing Like I'm shaquille.
O'Neill i would make a lot of outside. Shots if
it's like A papa. Shot remember When Ted cruz Played Jimmy.
Kimmel i'll tell YOU i would Smoke Jimmy kimmel in
(49:47):
one on. One do you think you could Beat Jimmy
kimmel on one on?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
One?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yes, okay, now all, right all, right, YEAH i THINK
i would beat. You next question is you Versus. TED
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