July 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Supply and Demand is a Real Thing
President Trump's cabinet meeting addresses a range of topics, including the devastating Texas floods, economic developments, and border security. The hosts highlight the Trump administration’s claim that tariffs have generated over $100 billion in revenue, with projections of $300 billion more, challenging mainstream narratives about inflation and price hikes.
The discussion transitions into immigration enforcement, spotlighting Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass’s opposition to ICE operations in MacArthur Park. Clay and Buck critique sanctuary city policies and explore the broader economic impact of illegal immigration on housing costs, emergency room usage, and labor markets. They argue that removing illegal immigrants could lower rent prices and reduce strain on public services, reinforcing conservative immigration stances.
Salena Zito Recalls Butler
Journalist Salena Zito joins the show to discuss her new book, "Butler: The Untold Story of the Near Assassination of Donald Trump and the Fight for America’s Heartland." Zito recounts her firsthand experience at the rally where Trump was shot in the ear, describing the chaos, the president’s resolve, and the symbolic power of his raised fist. She reflects on how the event transformed Trump’s sense of purpose and galvanized support across the political spectrum. The hosts predict that Trump’s reaction in Butler will become an iconic moment in American history, likening it to Lincoln at Gettysburg.
Energy Secretary Chris Wright
Fresh out of President Trump's cabinet meeting, Energy Secretary Chris Wright joins the show to outline the Trump administration’s “Make Energy Great Again” (MEGA) strategy. This includes ending half a trillion dollars in federal subsidies for wind, solar, and electric vehicles, which Wright argues have destabilized the power grid and driven up electricity costs. He emphasizes a return to fossil fuel production on federal lands, streamlined permitting, and targeted tax credits for next-generation nuclear, geothermal, and hydroelectric technologies.
The conversation shifts to the affordability of gasoline, with Wright noting a 25–30 cent per gallon drop in prices over the past year despite global instability. He attributes this to increased domestic production and a shift in Middle East dynamics, particularly regarding Iran. The hosts and Wright also explore the urgent need for massive energy infrastructure expansion to meet the exponential power demands of AI technologies, warning of a looming 200-gigawatt shortfall if current coal plant closures proceed without adequate replacement.
Cosmetic Theater
The inefficiencies of TSA airport security, celebrating the end of the shoe-removal requirement and sharing personal anecdotes about pre-check lines and airport design. Airports in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Las Vegas are criticized for poor layout and outdated facilities, while LaGuardia, Nashville, and Salt Lake City receive praise for recent improvements.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Thanks for being with us from
all across this great land. Right as we're speaking to you,
of course, we are alive. President Trump is holding a
cabinet meeting. We were watching it right until the moment
we had to come on the air. We are monitoring
for the most important moments, so we will bring you those.
(00:24):
He's continuing to talk about a range of subjects of
the obviously President addressing the terrible floods in the Hill
Country of Texas, also discussing that matters having to do
with the economy and the border. Specifically on the economy
that we've already seen one hundred billion dollars come in
(00:47):
of revenue to the Treasury as a result of the
Trump tariffs. The tariffs that we were told would raise
the price on everything, which does not seem to have
happened at all. And Scott Bessin's, his Treasury secretary, went
on to say it is expected soon that there will
be more like three hundred billion dollars that will come
in to the Treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs.
(01:10):
Three hundred billion dollars, a lot of money even for
this federal government. That's you know, one hundred billion in here,
one hundred billion there. This is real money. So I
think it's interesting to see how the evolution of the
conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to not only
are tariffs failing to do the price gouging price increases
(01:33):
that we were told, but actually bringing money into.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
The Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We've also got some fantastic guest today, just to give
you a heads up about that. The Energy Secretary Chris
Wright will be with us. Let's talk about what mega
make energy great again?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
How about that. We're gonna talk about energy and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How this administration is all systems go on tapping into
the incredible resources that this nation has more so than ever,
and getting rid of the red tape and getting rid
of the nonsense and getting rid of the green new
scam nonsense. So we'll discuss that with him. We've also
got Selena Zito, author and journalists.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She'll be with us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
She's got a new book out talking about the attempted
assassination Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Will discuss with.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Her what her research found, but Clay, I want to
start with there's some very interesting things going on in
the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass,
the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members
of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that they need to stop
(02:44):
what they're doing, and by that she means stop enforcing
the law. They had an operation where they were going
through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking
up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up
on specifically how many people came, how many people they
took into custody. But they had this operation where they
(03:07):
were going to get illegals, and the mayor of Los
Angeles shows up and says that this needs to stop.
This is her, This is that MacArthur Park, as federal
agents are raiding the area. This is cut four. Listen
to this.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
My comments is they need to leave, and they need
to leave right now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave. They're
enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority to
stop them, to order them to do anything to them.
And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los
Angeles is still a part of the United States. And
therefore falls under federal jurisdiction. And there's just none of
this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to
(03:54):
get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's
out there is creating Dan. I saw those two ambush attempts,
one time ICE member shot in the neck. We'll talk
about that in a second Clay. They really think that
the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities, that
there's some argument to be made that federal law has
(04:15):
no real bearing on what's going on, just because they
say so. This is a very important moment in the
rule of law for this country.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, and again it goes to the very basics of
the supremacy clause, which is why I don't really even
understand what the attempt is here. The United States president
controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because
Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show
(04:45):
of hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call
out the guard here in the state of California, And
there was one federal District court judge that agreed, and
then it immediately got slapped down by the Ninth Circuit,
and we came on and said this is kind of
a foundational issue. It is a foundational issue that the
president of the United States has control over immigration law
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across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue
state or a blue city or not. And a part
of me thinks, and tell me if, because I'm trying
to think of this strategically, the only way this makes
sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested
by the President of the United States because that helps
(05:32):
you politically when it comes to your standing in the
Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city.
It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever
seen a study on this, because I would love to
see a study on this. Mom Donnie got elected in
New York City and I see these as all connected.
Or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New
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York City for the mayorship by basically arguing rent is
too expensive, we need to rent, freeze rent, and really
he argued products are too expensive. Life is too expensive
in New York City. You lived in New York City
for a while, I don't know what the numbers would reflect.
Jd Vance made this argument a bit on the debate
(06:15):
against Mike Walls Tim Walls and then it got shot down.
Didn't get much attention beyond that. What would it do
to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in New
York City?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand
still matter, even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So, yes,
there would be more housing that would open up. This
is true in New York City, this is true nationwide.
The same way that they say, who's going to work
in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed
from it? Americans? That's actually what happens. That's how supply
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demand works. Yeah, this has been fascinating because the rhetorical
question that they think they're asking actually has an answer.
Who's going to take these jobs? Americans who could paid
on the books and a real wage.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I would love the fact that we've never really
seen a study, and maybe some of you have if
we have. According to Tom Holman, twenty million illegals in
the United States. That's what he told me a couple
of months ago he thought was the actual number. Now
some of you are going to say, hey, I think
it's thirty, or I think it's forty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The number is.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Tom Holman said twenty, So I'm going to use twenty
as a rough approximation. Those numbers are overwhelmingly slotted in
cities like New York, Chicago, and LA. What would rents
do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from the rental universe?
To your point, natural laws of supplying demand would suggest
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they would come down substantially.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's even worse than that. Unfortunately, the city of New
York has some of the most oppressive and anti anti
property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also
rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system
that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some people live
(08:05):
in rent control department's good for you, but you're actually
kind of milking the system.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's just the truth I had.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I you know, my first my girlfriend, when I was
in high school, she lived in a rent control department,
and when her parents told me what she was paying,
I remember I was like, Wow, that's having a couple
of hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So look, it's it's a spoil system and it artificially
raises the cost of housing the same way that illegal
immigration raised the cost of housing.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Here's here's another one. Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They estimate and they have pretty good numbers on this
because they have to build people. Thirty percent of emergency
room visits in New York City last year were illegal immigrants.
Thirty Yeah, so if thirty percent of the er visits
are illegals, now, I know you say, oh, but they
don't have access to frontline care.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's why they're going.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, but what would happen if you didn't have those illegals?
You have a whole lot more er capacity, wouldn't you.
You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you. The same concepts,
the same ideas apply to housing, apply to employment, apply
because supply and demand is a real thing.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument,
because there are a lot of people out there who
feel like goods cost way more than they used to,
and that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it
doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You
eventually have to you know, you don't ever get typically
(09:36):
negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around
two percent a year, it's still going to add up.
I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since
COVID one hundred thousand dollars today one hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty, you need one hundred and twenty five
k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically, everything
(10:00):
costs about twenty five percent more than it did in
twenty twenty, which is a function of inflation, because we
judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on
a multi year basis, So that nine percent inflation got
perpetually embedded. And so really goods have increased in value
by about the cost of them has increased by about
twenty five percent just over the last five years.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And you look at what happens when the government starts
playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market,
whether it's for housing or employment, playing these games by
allowing illegal immigrants to get you know, work papers and
all these things, it has tremendous costs. Obamacare, this has
been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the cost
(10:46):
of healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Do you remember that? Does anybody remember that was the
big promise? Yeah, you're all going to be covered covered,
quote unquote, but it's going to bring on the cost
of healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Healthcare is actually just getting more expensive all the time.
It's super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind
of like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to
build new homes in LA new apartment buildings, a million
different environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is
true in New York City. These places are infringing on
(11:20):
the market and causing huge problems. So yes, with the illegals,
despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again
for a reason because they're breaking the law. And I
think Tom Homan really got to this when he said
that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed
to be here. The whole point is that this is
cut ten. He's like, we're arresting the people who are
(11:42):
not supposed to be in the United States. That is
the fundamental problem. Yeah, and that cut ten.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
The country legally, you're not off the table. I mean
people are actually people are you know saying we're resting
non criminals. Well, during the country lead, that's our job,
and we toldal Ice agents in the process going out,
but from the bad guy and this that's the problem
of sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to
go find the criminal, many times you're with others, others
that may not be a criminal target, but they're in
the United States illllateally they're coming too. We're going to
force immigration law. Unlike the last administration where Secretary of
(12:12):
majorcas instructured ice. You can't arrest an illegal alien for
simply being here at legally, they got to be arrested,
are being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He me
wrote the law. That's not what the law says. We're
going to force law. That's what the people put President
Trump in office to do, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Enforce the law. And we have shut down the border.
But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word,
and there's twenty million illegals here, even at three thousand
deportations a day, it would take decades to get that
twenty million out of the country. That's the reality. It's
why Tom Homan just said, hey, we need to bump
(12:49):
those numbers up to seven thousand a day. We'll talk
more about this, but I do think the only thing
that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping to
get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He actually
called out for it because they see it as ultimately
beneficial in the Democrat Party, even if it's actually detrimental
to their city and state, which is a sad place
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Speaker 7 (14:25):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are joined by
our friend Selena Zito. Book comes out today. I've got
a copy because you know, I know some people. Butler,
the Untold Story of the near assassination of Donald Trump
and the fight for America's heartland.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Selena, you do great reporting. You're an excellent writer.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You were right there that day in Butler as those
shots rang out.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Tell us what was it like?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
One happah Yeah. So you know when you're in report
and you aren't, your day starts out a certain way,
like you're going to do this, this and this, and
nine times out of ten, that's not what happens. And
so that day I was supposed to interview President Trump
for five minutes before the rally. That changed about two
(15:15):
hours after. I'm in ad Butler and it's going to
be five minutes after the rally. And then they say, well,
you want to fly to Bedminster with the President and
do the interview on the plane. I'm like, wow, I
never get an invite like that. I'm in. And then
five minutes before he's supposed to go on stage, they
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come rushing back and say it's go time. And I
just assumed that they changed their mind and I was
going to do it before the rally. So I raced
through it along with my daughter who's a photo journalist.
She did the cover of the book and race through
the crowd. We get to the behind the stage and
I asked the young man, like, where where are we
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doing this interview? And the President's around the bend. He
comes back and he says, I'm not doing the interview
right now. You're still going to Bedminster. He just wanted
to say hi to you. And so that moment of
him just wanting to say hi, he asked about my grandchildren.
I've interviewed President Trump dozens of times, and at that moment,
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I'm then now stuck because I can't get back to
the press riser and I'm supposed to leave with him
to go to Bedminster along with my daughter. So they
put me in the buffer area. The buffer is sort
of this well that goes around the stage, and they
said just follow him out and then get over on
the other side. Towards the end, you can just jump
in the motorcake. That's why I ended up being just
(16:45):
four feet away from the president when he was shot,
was right. If you can see me and a lot
of the photos just to his that would have been
his left.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Selena, this is I've got the book in front of
me right now, and I read the opening chapter already.
Is fabulously well done, and I'm actually looking forward to
reading it. And we get a lot of books, and
I'm not able to read all of them. But we're
coming up on the one year anniversary. Do you find
it as hard as I do? As I think Buck does,
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and as I imagine the vast majority of people out
there listening do that we still know almost nothing about
this guy who got onto the roof with that gun.
Not much about his background, not much about his motivation
on that day, not even that much about how he
came to come as close as he did to killing
the President of the United States, which, by the grace
(17:37):
of God, he did not achieve.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But we're in a completely different universe.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
If that bullet is one quarter inch closer to the president,
what do you think now, having been there, having witnessed it,
does it still seem improbable that all of this happened.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
It does seem improbable that all of this happened. And
you'll find out in the book. The President calls me
the first thing the next morning and he you know,
President Trump is a little hilarious if you don't haven't
picked up on that. The first thing he says is, Hey,
this is President Trump, Like I don't know that, right,
(18:13):
And then then he goes, I'm so I want to
make sure you're okay, your daughter's okay, and I'm so
sorry that we didn't get to do that interview. And
that's that's this moment with him, right that you really
understand like like this is this is not the person
you always think he is. And we have we go
(18:35):
on that day and it's detailed in the book. We
go on that day because he calls me seven times,
and he really talks about the improbability that he didn't die,
and he questions about purpose and about God not in
a fanatical you know religious way, but in a way
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that is very thoughtful. And you know, so you know
why didn't I die? Do?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I know?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
How do I have this new purpose? And I think
he answers that question every day, whether you agree or
not with everything that he does. He answers that question
every day since he was sworn in in January. They
does have purpose. This is not the presidency of a
man going into his second term. This is a president'sy.
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This is not a lame duck presidency. He is approaching
this as someone who who was spared by God, and
he says that many times to me, but also as
as someone that has a purpose and he is meant
to fulfill it, and he's going to go head down
straight into it because you never know what's going to
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happen to you.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think that what you just said is so important,
and I think people are picking up on it now.
I think even Democrats are the biggest difference between Trump
one point zero and Trump two point zero is the
quality of the people he surrounded himself with. Yes, but
also Trump is making decisions that he thinks are generationally
in the interest of the country, and he's not concerned
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at all with anyone who might disagree with him. And
I think that's partly because he feels spared based on
what happened that day in Butler.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yes, So I had an interview coming out with him
this week on Friday in the Washington Post, and he
talks about that in a very meaningful and profound way.
And you know, part of who he surrounds himself also
has to do with Butler. Like Butler changed everything. It
didn't just change the American electorate. It didn't just change
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our coalitions and galvanize people. And people will read that
detail as I continue to cover the election in a
way that none of you have sail us all because
the reporters were writing something completely different than what I
was reporting in that moment. But everything changed in that moment.
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And I think this nugets important because it goes to
understanding Trump in a way that people don't understand, and
it goes to understanding why he's going to do what
he's going to do because God saved him. And that
is the moment that he says, fight, fight, fight. And
I asked him about it the next day, and I
asked him again about it two weeks ago. He said,
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and I just wanted to revisit it with him, and
he had the same exact answer, because I didn't know
if you would remember that or not. Right, that was
a pretty crazy day. The next day he said, I
was not Donald Trump in that moment. I had an
obligation to be someone who shows resolves and be a
symbol of the country, be a symbol of grit and exceptionalism,
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and we will go undefeated. And that is what America
has always meant to me. And I had an obligation
as a former president and possibly the next president to
show that because in a lot of ways, because I
didn't want people to panic there and they didn't, by
the way, but also I didn't want people watching panicking
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out in the streets. I had an obligation to be presidential,
not to be Donald Trump, to represent the office in
the country with resolves.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Selena, Honestly, wasn't that just the most amazing thing you've
ever seen a president do? Amazing even for President Trump,
who's done a lot of incredible stuff. Clay and I
still sit there and think, I can't it's hard to
believe even when you watch the video, Even when we
saw it the first time, as it was happening that
a president took a bullet through the year, was bleeding
on stage and turned to his people and raised a
(22:39):
fist and told them to fight.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it was is that that process It went
through his head, that understanding that it was more he
was a man there, he was a president. He was
America in that moment, right, you know that symbol of
our country when you think about the American eagle, right,
perseverance and strength and grid. He knew that people needed
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to know that he was fighting, that the country was fighting,
and that something as dark as demonic as what Thomas
Matthew Crooks attempted to do and would have caused immense
chaos and unrest in this country was not succeeded. And
he wanted to show that America is resilient. I don't know,
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and I remember him telling me that, and my reaction was, well, wow,
that's the because it was it was it was it
was to think on your feet like that after you've
been shot. I mean most people would be in the
fetal position, right, And I'm watching him so he remember
I'm only four feet away and I'm watching him like
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struggle with his secret service because he wants his shoes on,
and damn it, he's going to get his shoes on.
He is not walking off of that stage in his
stocking feet across gravel. Were you able to be the
United States?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Were you able to go to slop?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I'm just kind of curious when something like that happens,
were you able to immediately contextualize the historic moment of
what had occurred? And the fact that I think for
hundreds of years people are going to be watching that
video and it's going to become even more iconic after
the passions of the moment start to fade because Democrats
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have whatever they think about Trump. But I think fifty
one hundred years from now, long after anyone who is
listening to us today is not here, that moment is
going to become so indelible and so iconic in American life.
Did you understand that or feel that immediately? And second part,
did you like, were you able to sleep that night?
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I'm just kind of curious when you have that experience,
how long it takes you to come down off the
adrenaline rush, just based on where you were to say nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Of him, I'm still not come down from it. And
and you know, I knew exactly. You know, as a journalist,
you know part of your job, even if it's a
tiny thread, you're always covering history every day. But I
knew in that moment, you know, And and and he
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talks about purpose, but I also talk about purpose. There
is a reason I was there, right, and there was
a reason I was supposed to chronicle this, and and
I knew that that was what my purpose was and
to be able to tell this story. And because I
have a gift of total recall, right, I can remember
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every smell, every cell like I think, and color right,
like I can smell and taste and feel everything in
that moment. And and when they when people say when
they've been in in a in a in a trad situation,
the time slows down, then that was very true for me.
And and I watched the entire thing in in in
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these these very fine layers. And because I have the
gift of recall, and plus I have my recorder on
and i'm talking, I record everything that happens. I can
hear everything the president says. But also I'm talking to
my recorder, so I don't forget anything. And and I
had and I probably started the book and I didn't
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even think about a book. I just thought, well, I
need to write this story.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I did.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
But you know, people came to me, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Like, you need do you have an obligation to write
this book?
Speaker 8 (26:41):
And and so I immediately started writing it. While as
I'm writing it, I'm still continuing to cover an extraordinarily
historic election. That I believe is that I'm watching it
that other people aren't covering what's happening. They're covering what
they wish was having opening, They're covering what they hope happens.
(27:03):
But I'm on the ground there in Pennsylvania, in the
middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania, and I'm covering this and
seeing this entire country change, not just in the rural
areas but in the suburbs. I'm watching these young mothers
who all was who have never put a Trump hat
on in the next weekend, have them on at their kids'
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soccer games because and there's interviews in the book, and
they say, hey, he can take a bullet for me.
I can wear a damn hat and not worry about
what people say to me. Everything changed in that moment.
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Oh thanks you guys. Have a great day.
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Speaker 1 (29:32):
Secretary, appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We know we were just you're just in a marathon
cabinet meeting. As a member of the cabinet, a lot
covered there. Wanted to just jump into what is in
the big beautiful bill that affects directly US national energy policy?
Like what do we need to know about what's coming?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Actually quite a bit, but let me start out with
maybe the biggest thing is it's the ending of about
a half a trillion dollars of subsidies that would be
paid out in the next ten years, so you know,
roughly fifty billion a year. We've been paying these for
many years and the biggest component to them is to
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pay people to put wind and solar on our electricity grid,
and subsidies to help rich people by evs. And so
the problem of these subsidies is they not only cost
the taxpayers that half a trillion dollars, but at the
end they make our electricity grids more expensive and less stable,
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so we have to pay twice. So I think reducing
the pressure the cost of these subsidies and the pressure
on the cost instability of our grid is going to
be a big win for Americans.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
When you look at at the price of gas, I
think that's a big story.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Doesn't mean talking in the price of gasoline and in
affordability terms. So it's just tremendous. That's a significant expense
that all Americans, all of us pay every week to
get to our jobs, to go on vacations and visit
our grandmothers and travel with our kids. If you make
gasoline prices expensive, you just shrink the Life Administration's record.
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We have gasoline twenty five to thirty cents a gallon
cheaper today than it was twelve months ago. And that's
going through a period of major conflict in the Middle East,
but major productive conflict in the Middle East, hopefully ending
the forty six years of a ran at the troublemaker
in the Middle East and really the threat to global peace,
(31:36):
probably the largest global threat to peace over the last
forty five years.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We're speaking to the Secretary of the US Department of Energy,
Chris Wright, and mister secretary, if you could lay out
for us what does a make energy great again? You know,
mega mega, What does a make energy great again policy
under Trump look like going forward?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Forward? Does it include nuclear?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Is it new technology applied to fossil fuels?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What is the Trump administration trying to accomplish so that
not only are we doing as much as we can
with the technology we have and the resources we have
in the past, but that we do new things, innovative
things going forward.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh great, setting of that table. So I mentioned that
getting rid of a half a trillion dollars to make
energy expensive. There's also in the One Big Beautiful Bill
just for returning to room of law and allowing oil,
gas and coal producers to produce again on federal lands
across the country. This will lower baseline energy prices in
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the coming years and decades in front of us. I
squeezed that one in there real quick. But there's also
I'm a free market guy, so I'm not a fan
of subsidies, but we do have tax credits in there
for a finite period of time for next generation nuclear
and for geothermal and for uprates. If we can get
more power out of hydro, have it cheaper to build
(33:02):
big reactors.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, go ahead, No, I was going to ak.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's exactly what you were going into, which is what
does that look like, because nuclear unfortunately became a boogeyman.
What does it look like? And what percentage do you
think of our power could come from nuclear in the
years ahead, given the Trump administration's willingness and your willingness to.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Twenty percent of electricity today, So after a natural gas,
which is by far and away the leader, nuclear is second.
But yeah, I mean that could Yeah, a couple of
decades from now, that could be fifty, forty or fifty
percent of our electricity from nuclear. We got to build
a lot to do that, but this is America. We
can build a lot. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the NRC
(33:42):
has just made it so expensive, so slow, and so
risky to develop nuclear power in the country. We basically
stopped doing it for the last few decades. So we
need regulatory reform at the NRC. We need regulatory reform
from NEPA so that it's just a check are we
being small about the environment? Not a weaponized thing. You
could just have lawsuits and stop anything from being built.
(34:06):
We need to have a five permit on federal lands,
Department of Energy, you'll be in charge of that. We
will have next generation test reactors running twelve months from
today at our Idaho National Lab facilities. There like the
technology is there, at the private capital is there, the
interest is there. We just need the government to get
out of the way and let capitalism and free market
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forces bring us a very exciting few decades with rapid
growth in nuclear energy.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
We're talking to Energy Secretary Chris Wright.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Buck just asked, and you are hearing a lot of
talk about the need for nuclear power. Underscoring all of this,
based on the people that I talk to, is there
isn't enough discussion about all of the power and energy
that's going to be necessary for AI that the amount
that this is going to demand, the amount that it's
going to soak up, is just off the charts, Matt,
(35:01):
I imagine is something you're spending a decent amount on
as well, uh, for AI for the AI revolution to
take place in for America to lead? What sort of
energy do we need to create that isn't being created now?
Is that accurate based on what you're seeing now?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You're absolutely right. Let me give them numbers real quick.
We had so here we are twenty twenty five. Five
years from now, we're going to need probably at least
another one hundred gigawatts of generation. A gigawatt is like
a big coal power plant, a big natural gas plant,
a nuclear plant. Some nuclear plants are two or three gigawatts,
but one hundred gigawatts of additional power five years from now.
(35:42):
And in the current plan, there is a plan to
shut down one hundred gigawatts of mostly coal plants over
the next five years. If we did all that, we'd
have to build two hundred gigawatts of new power generation
to meet that projected demand. And what's the queue right
now that's visible or applying for a permit or acquiring
(36:04):
land of firm capacity about twenty gigawatts, so a gaping hole.
Which is why this administration in my department are going
to be very carefully scrutinizing. Does it make sense to
shut down that coal power plant like the one they
tried to shut down in Michigan and over one gigawatt
power plant fifteen years left the plant life, and for
(36:25):
political reasons we want to get rid of coal, We're
going to shut that puppy down. I used emergency powers
to keep it open. Two days in that same Midwest
grid there was a blackout. Like, we've just got to
stop shooting ourselves in the foot by closing existing plants,
and we've got to make it much much easier for
American businesses to build new natural gas plants, to build
(36:47):
new new current plants, to build new geothermal and next
generation electricity generating capacity. Just wind and solar just is
simply not an answer. You know, it's really hot in
DC today, but the wind is still wind power at
time of peak demand, and the winner it's really cold
at night, but we don't have any solar power. And
when you're in a cold of the huge cold front,
(37:08):
it's again a high pressure system, no win. So we
just got to get smart about energy in the United
States again. But it's business and private entrepreneurs that are
going to drive this. We just need the government to
be out of the way and a credible partner for
permitting and any other infrastructure that needs to be built
(37:29):
to support it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But I'm up.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
This is America. We can build things again.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well one more for you, mister Secretary, Thank you for
being with us in terms of ex sports for particularly
oil and natural gas. I know we've been doing very well,
and America is really the world's fossil fuel the true
fossil fuel superpower. We don't necessarily think of ourselves that way,
(37:53):
but I think the numbers certainly bear that out. Is
there going to be would you expect it an increase
in that? And how how do you see it affecting
global demand?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, there's going to be a huge increase of that.
The United States is already by follow the largest exporter
of natural gas in the world, and we will double
that in the next five years, and the five or
seven years after that we could double it again, so
America would just be the dominant supplier of natural gas
around the world. That's twenty five percent of global energy
(38:29):
comes from natural gas, and it's the fastest growing source
of energy on the planet. So super excited about where
all this could go.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And I've got to jump onto no W.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We like the optimism. Thanks for joining us right after
cabinet meeting. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, Thank you so much, sir.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Love to show you guys run keep up the great work.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Can I just say I love that the Secretary of
Energy is a high energy guy. You know, he's not
low energy, he's high energy. Running around there in the background.
We'll break down some of that. Continue to take your
calls and what we've got Selena Zito, who is going
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year anniversary of Donald Trump nearly being assassinated taking a
(39:17):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right,
we'll play some of your reactions. Again, I have brilliantly
explained why the Epstein case is really frankly based on
all the logic about a guy who got rich by
being able to provide young, attractive women to people who
were also rich, and that may well have led to
(41:03):
relationships with intelligence agencies. And so far that does not
seem to have quelled the crazy brigade. So the crazy
brigade is welcome to call in eight hundred and two
two two eight A two and argue that the entire
government has conspired to protect Jeffrey Epstein. But I did
(41:26):
want to say something incredibly positive. Did you see this story?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
You no longer have to take your shoes off to
go through a TSA line.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Now, I love to see it.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I only got TSA pre check like whatever, Ali, producer, Ali,
and you made me do it because I had never
done it.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
We believe you didn't have pre check. That was a
true shocker.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
It is true I had not done it. My last
book came out. They were like, you need to do it.
It is better. I'll be honest with you. Some airports,
the pre check line is now longer than the regular line.
Like when I flew back from Florida, recently, every time
I go into my Florida airport, the line is longer
(42:11):
to go through pre check than it is to go
through standard, and that sometimes happens at lots of different
airports out there across the country. But would you agree
with me that it was almost universally hated that you
had to take your shoes off, and it was one
of the things that any government employee would make you
(42:31):
do that regardless of how you vote. Everybody was like,
this is absurd and ridiculous. Yeah, it was degrading and
it felt preposterous. And the whole thing to me was
always look.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
A lot of the TSA stuffice theater, and there was
a lot of TSA. A lot of things that TSA
have done and we're doing reminds me of the way
that COVID was handled on some level, like we're just
going to do things so that people think that we're
doing things. But the people I always felt bad for
weren't just the I have to remove my shoes people, Clay,
(43:06):
It was the people who weren't wearing socks of that
just feels icky. You know, you have to kick off
your your birken stocks with no socks and you got
to walk on those gross airport floors. What do you
think the last time was the TSA line floor was
mopped up.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I think it's been a while.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Look, this is how you beat viruses. You got to
expose yourself to the grit and grime. This is why
bare feet people, I think we live longer because we
are more attuned with like fighting off viruses, because we
just walk around with bare feet. We're exposing ourselves all
the time. In all seriousness, this is one of the
(43:46):
stories they say about why allergies have gotten so bad.
Have you read some of these theories that the reason
why kids today are allergic to so much more every
generation is allergic to more is actually because we live
in such sterile, clean environments that kids today are not
coming into contact with the same amount of antigens ish
(44:10):
for lack of a better term, that they would have before.
And so that's one reason for antactagens pathogens. Right, antigens pathogens?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I don't know. Maybe it's antigens.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Are they just two different types of the same thing.
I'm not the science.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Are right?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Antigen a toxic or other foreign substance with which induces
an immune response?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Antigen, not pathogen. Sorry you keep going.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Well, now you've got me confused, because I'm like, what's
the difference between an antigen and a pathogen? But I
do think like every kid, every generation of kids has
gotten way more allergic to peanuts, for instance, right, Like
they don't even have peanuts on airplanes now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, So a pathogen is a disease causing organism, bacteria, virus, fungus.
An antigen is just a thing that triggers an immune response.
Is actually the more proper There you go, mister Clay,
There you go, are hack to you, sir, And everybody
just got better at sat vocab out there who's out
(45:09):
for school for the summer. You should be able to
get that correct now. But you know, used to be
in like nineteen eighty nobody had buying large peanut allergies.
And now we sit here in twenty twenty five, forty
five years later, and they can't even pass out peanuts
on airplanes anymore because there might be an allergy there.
How does that happen? Well, I think it's frankly because
(45:30):
we're not exposing kids to these antigens. But on the
larger context here, I think TSA is an I know
a lot of you are TSA agents, because I meet
a lot of TSA agents going in and out of
airports that listen to the show and or consume the
(45:53):
comments we go through to get on airplanes and taking
off your shoes and taking your laptop out of your
bag and things like that, and now you have to
have the real id to fly. None of it feels
to me like it's making us very much safer. And
I think many people have always seen I know I was.
(46:15):
I remember the shoebomber whatever his name was, Richard Richard
back in the day, tried to light his shoes on
fire on a flight I think from Europe to the
United States if I remember correctly, and h But I
just feel like all of that kind of conspired to
make people trust the larger security apparatus less instead of more.
(46:39):
And the data actually reflects people get through with weapons
all the time, you know, when they do the tests
on ay, like I've got an actual gun, an actual gun,
which you would think like, hey, maybe your nail clippers,
we don't need to worry about so much, but an
actual gun, let's try to stop that from happening. They
(46:59):
still get through an actually scary amount of time even
with existing TSA.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, this is true.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
So I don't know what the long range solution is
here long term, but I do feel like this is
an improvement, and on a positive level, I think it
will probably cut lines by a quarter or a third
because everything will just be way more efficient without having
to make people take their shoes off and walk through
(47:30):
and wait for it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Not to interrupt our shoe security discussion, but we will
have now we've been confirm it's been confirmed by his team.
The Energy Secretary will join us at two o'clock because
he just got out of the rather lengthy Trump Cabinet
meeting which covered a lot of ground, which we're bringing
you the highlights of it. I think we're doing a
great service by bringing you the highlights, because otherwise you
(47:54):
have to spend most of your day listening to the
entirety of the Trump Cabinet meeting. So we will have
the inner Secretary, which will be an exciting discussion, and
you don't have to take your shoes off anymore now
in the normal line. And yes, it is true Clay
that sometimes the TSA pre line is in fact worse
than the just I'm a person who wants to fly line,
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so you gotta you gotta pick your you gotta pick
your line here in Miami, which I will say is
one of the worst airports in America for any city.
I think it's probably a top five worst airport. It's
one of the few things about Miami that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I really.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It's just a big, big, l big loss. Is the
airport here, and there's many different airport.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Is a disaster. It's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
It's a terrible airport, and the city of Miami needs
to figure out.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
And let me say this too.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Fort Lauderdale better, I think in terms of getting able
to get in and out also an awful airport.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
The Palm Jisch Airport is the one you want to
go to if you're looking for a nice airport around here.
You know, there's like a string quartet playing when you land.
There's a butler's named Jeeves who are hanging or who
are handing out little little nibbles of caviare very civilized
in the Palm Beach airport. But Miami, you know, you
can get some uh some Cuban coffee. But the airport
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itself is not good.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Miami. It seems like it was designed the airport to
make you have to walk the longest.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Boss possible distance at all times. Yes, and it has
the worst It has the worst food, the worst design.
It looks like it, you know, as a nineteen seventies
time warp. So yeah, if you have a good airport, lucky.
I saw actually a ranking of the best airports in
the car I saw this. The Washington Post ranked them.
Do you have an airport you fly into and you're like, man,
this is a great Now some airports are tiny, and
(49:42):
I don't count those, like you know, I at the terminal,
I will say, is pretty impressive. Now we can't throw
any shade at it.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Well, Guardia used to be like a greyhound bus terminal.
I hated going there. It's really nice now. Nashville has
done a good job on I think redoing much. Yeah,
very civilized. You guys have a good air Yeah, it's
it's a pretty good airport. I actually think National Airport
is the best in DC in terms of proximity to
(50:11):
being able to get in and out of the city.
I actually think National is one of the best. This
would be I mean, I feel like I've been to
almost every major airport at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
And I'll tell you a Salt Lake city has a
great airport.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
I'm trying to think of the other ones that I've
been to recently where now some cities have multiple airports,
so that can get a little bit complicated. Denver's airports
in the middle of nowhere, it's actually very nice airport
when you actually get there. Dallas is generally actually O'Hair
I know, gets a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
I know O'Hair gets a ton of hate.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
Dulus if they make you get on like a people
mover to get to the terminals. Like Dallas, you have
to get on the people mover. Orlando not very well designed.
You have to get on the people movers. Vegas a
lot of time. Vegas is oh Vegas is ugly, not surprising,
but pretty depressing airport.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Portland has, according to the Post, had a very nice airport.
We got Trump weighing in here on you see that
that's a hard turn back into the news.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's how we roll here.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
We got Trump weighing in on the Putin situation. From
Portland to Putin, we cover all the ground here. This
is caught thirty two. You can tell Trump is getting
very frustrated with the leader of Russia.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Listen to this one play it.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
That was a war that should have happened, and a
lot of people are dying and it should end.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
We get we get, We get a lot of vote
thrown at us by Putin for you want to know
the truth. It is very nice all the time, but
it turns out to be meaningless. Lensigram has a sanctions
bill on Russia.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do you want them to move?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'm looking at it. Yeah, I'm looking at The Senator
is passing and passed a very very tough sanctions but yeah,
I'm looking at It's an optional bill. It's totally at
my option. They passed it totally at my option, and
to terminate totally at my option. And I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
The plan so far with Russia to stop this bloodshed
in Ukraine Clay has not worked. So Trump is now
looking at the pressure points that he can use in
the alternatives to get Putin to stop. But it's been
going in the other direction.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Are we still have they given up on the Trump
as a Russian asset or is this still something they
say on the left? Now you don't hear it as much.
You don't hear it as much because he still pretty
critical of Putin in the first six months, and now
he's like the readout on Zolensky and the resources we're
giving is that Trump's relationship with Zelensky is on a
(52:40):
better ground than his relationship with Putin. Remember is only
in February where we had to blow up in the
Oval office and everybody was convinced, oh, this is Manchurian
candidate Trump. I just I can't keep up with who
exactly Trump is an asset of So I just I'm
curious what the latest is on the left wing swamp
fever dreams. Yeah, we'll get we'll bring you more of
(53:02):
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secretary coming up here at the top talk about how
we're going to be I assume it's gonna be a
lot of drill, baby drill going on, and that's a
good thing. We want those fossil fuels, we want the
actual and we want nuclear We want some things that
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Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
kicks off right now. Thanks for being with us from
all across this great land. Right as we're speaking to you,
of course, we are alive. President Trump is holding a
cabinet meeting. We were watching it right until the moment
we had to come on the air. We are monitoring
for the most important moments, so we will bring you those.
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He's continuing to talk about a range of subjects of
the obviously President addressing the terrible floods in the Hill
Country of Texas, also discussing that matters having to do
with the economy and the border. Specifically on the economy
that we've already seen one hundred billion dollars come in
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of revenue to the Treasury as a result of the
Trump tariffs. The tariffs that we were told would raise
the price on everything, which does not seem to have
happened at all. And Scott Bessin's, his Treasury secretary, went
on to say it is expected soon that there will
be more like three hundred billion dollars that will come
in to the Treasury as a result of the Trump tariffs.
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Three hundred billion dollars, a lot of money even for
this federal government. That's you know, one hundred billion in here,
one hundred billion there. This is real money. So I
think it's interesting to see how the evolution of the
conversation around tariffs is moving so rapidly to not only
are tariffs failing to do the price gouging price increases
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that we were told, but actually bringing money into.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
The Treasury Department. So I think that's particularly interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
We've also got some fantastic guest today, just to give
you a heads up about that. The Energy Secretary Chris
Wright will be with us. Let's talk about what mega
make energy great again?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
How about that. We're gonna talk about energy and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
How this administration is all systems go on tapping into
the incredible resources that this nation has more so than ever,
and getting rid of the red tape and getting rid
of the nonsense and getting rid of the green new
scam nonsense. So we'll discuss that with him. We've also
got Selena Zito, author and journalists.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
She'll be with us.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
She's got a new book out talking about the attempted
assassination Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Will discuss with.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Her what her research found, but Clay, I want to
start with there's some very interesting things going on in
the immigration realm. First of all, you've got Mayor Karen Bass,
the mayor of Los Angeles, very upset and telling members
of Immigration and Customs Enforcement that they need to stop
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what they're doing, and by that she means stop enforcing
the law. They had an operation where they were going
through a park in Los Angeles and they were picking
up illegals. The details of this I'm still reading up
on specifically how many people came, how many people they
took into custody. But they had this operation where they
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were going to get illegals, and the mayor of Los
Angeles shows up and says that this needs to stop.
This is her, This is that MacArthur Park, as federal
agents are raiding the area. This is cut four. Listen
to this.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
My comments is they need to leave, and they need
to leave right now.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh No, actually, Clay, they don't need to leave. They're
enforcing the law. Their federal agency has no authority to
stop them, to order them to do anything to them.
And if she tries, she's breaking federal law, which Los
Angeles is still a part of the United States. And
therefore falls under federal jurisdiction. And there's just none of
this nonsense that we should be accepting. I want to
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get into also some of the way the rhetoric that's
out there is creating Dan. I saw those two ambush attempts,
one time ICE member shot in the neck. We'll talk
about that in a second Clay. They really think that
the law doesn't count somehow in these sanctuary cities, that
there's some argument to be made that federal law has
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no real bearing on what's going on, just because they
say so. This is a very important moment in the
rule of law for this country.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, and again it goes to the very basics of
the supremacy clause, which is why I don't really even
understand what the attempt is here. The United States president
controls immigration law. And so we had this discussion because
Gavin Newsom, remember when he was making a big show
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of hey, the president doesn't have the ability to call
out the guard here in the state of California, And
there was one federal District court judge that agreed, and
then it immediately got slapped down by the Ninth Circuit,
and we came on and said this is kind of
a foundational issue. It is a foundational issue that the
president of the United States has control over immigration law
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across the entirety of the country, whether it's a blue
state or a blue city or not. And a part
of me thinks, and tell me if, because I'm trying
to think of this strategically, the only way this makes
sense is if you just are desperate to be arrested
by the President of the United States because that helps
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you politically when it comes to your standing in the
Democrat Party. This in no way actually benefits the city.
It certainly doesn't benefit the state. Look, have you ever
seen a study on this, because I would love to
see a study on this. Mom Donnie got elected in
New York City and I see these as all connected.
Or got the nomination for the Democrat Party in New
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York City for the mayorship by basically arguing rent is
too expensive, we need to rent, freeze rent, and really
he argued products are too expensive. Life is too expensive
in New York City. You lived in New York City
for a while, I don't know what the numbers would reflect.
Jd Vance made this argument a bit on the debate
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against Mike Walls Tim Walls and then it got shot down.
Didn't get much attention beyond that. What would it do
to rent if there were no illegal immigrants in New
York City?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, I believe that the laws of supply and demand
still matter, even when Democrats wish they wouldn't. So, yes,
there would be more housing that would open up. This
is true in New York City, this is true nationwide.
The same way that they say, who's going to work
in the meat plant once the illegals have been removed
from it? Americans? That's actually what happens. That's how supply
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demand works. Yeah, this has been fascinating because the rhetorical
question that they think they're asking actually has an answer.
Who's going to take these jobs? Americans who could paid
on the books and a real wage.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I would love the fact that we've never really
seen a study, and maybe some of you have if
we have. According to Tom Holman, twenty million illegals in
the United States. That's what he told me a couple
of months ago he thought was the actual number. Now
some of you are going to say, hey, I think
it's thirty, or I think it's forty or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The number is.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Tom Holman said twenty, So I'm going to use twenty
as a rough approximation. Those numbers are overwhelmingly slotted in
cities like New York, Chicago, and LA. What would rents
do if you just eliminated illegal immigrants from the rental universe?
To your point, natural laws of supplying demand would suggest
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they would come down substantially.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's even worse than that. Unfortunately, the city of New
York has some of the most oppressive and anti anti
property owner laws in the entire country. And there's also
rent control, which is just a government mandated spoil system
that people abuse. And I'm sorry if some people live
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in rent control department's good for you, but you're actually
kind of milking the system.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
That's just the truth I had.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I you know, my first my girlfriend, when I was
in high school, she lived in a rent control department,
and when her parents told me what she was paying,
I remember I was like, Wow, that's having a couple
of hundred bucks a month for a huge apartment.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So look, it's it's a spoil system and it artificially
raises the cost of housing the same way that illegal
immigration raised the cost of housing.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Here's here's another one. Clay.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
They estimate and they have pretty good numbers on this
because they have to build people. Thirty percent of emergency
room visits in New York City last year were illegal immigrants.
Thirty Yeah, so if thirty percent of the er visits
are illegals, now, I know you say, oh, but they
don't have access to frontline care.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's why they're going.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, but what would happen if you didn't have those illegals?
You have a whole lot more er capacity, wouldn't you.
You'd have much shorter er weights, wouldn't you. The same concepts,
the same ideas apply to housing, apply to employment, apply
because supply and demand is a real thing.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Which is why I think Republicans should start making that argument,
because there are a lot of people out there who
feel like goods cost way more than they used to,
and that's the function of inflation. Inflation comes down, it
doesn't ever go away. It's like putting on weight. You
eventually have to you know, you don't ever get typically
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negative cost of goods. So you're trying to get around
two percent a year, it's still going to add up.
I saw our friend Jesse Kelly shared something that since
COVID one hundred thousand dollars today one hundred thousand dollars
in twenty twenty, you need one hundred and twenty five
k today to have the same purchasing power. Basically, everything
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costs about twenty five percent more than it did in
twenty twenty, which is a function of inflation, because we
judge inflation on a year to year basis, not on
a multi year basis, So that nine percent inflation got
perpetually embedded. And so really goods have increased in value
by about the cost of them has increased by about
twenty five percent just over the last five years.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And you look at what happens when the government starts
playing this game of influencing the numbers in the market,
whether it's for housing or employment, playing these games by
allowing illegal immigrants to get you know, work papers and
all these things, it has tremendous costs. Obamacare, this has
been largely forgotten, was supposed to bring down the cost
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of healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Do you remember that? Does anybody remember that was the
big promise? Yeah, you're all going to be covered covered,
quote unquote, but it's going to bring on the cost
of healthcare.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Healthcare is actually just getting more expensive all the time.
It's super heavily regulated and it is more expensive. Kind
of like housing stock in Los Angeles. Very hard to
build new homes in LA new apartment buildings, a million
different environmental and union and local regulations. Same thing is
true in New York City. These places are infringing on
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the market and causing huge problems. So yes, with the illegals,
despite what Mayor Bass says, they're called illegals once again
for a reason because they're breaking the law. And I
think Tom Homan really got to this when he said
that they're arresting non criminals. He's like, they're not allowed
to be here. The whole point is that this is
cut ten. He's like, we're arresting the people who are
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not supposed to be in the United States. That is
the fundamental problem. Yeah, and that cut ten.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
The country legally, you're not off the table. I mean
people are actually people are you know saying we're resting
non criminals. Well, during the country lead, that's our job,
and we toldal Ice agents in the process going out,
but from the bad guy and this that's the problem
of sanctuary cities. When we go to the community to
go find the criminal, many times you're with others, others
that may not be a criminal target, but they're in
the United States illllateally they're coming too. We're going to
force immigration law. Unlike the last administration where Secretary of
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majorcas instructured ice. You can't arrest an illegal alien for
simply being here at legally, they got to be arrested,
are being convicted of a serious criminal offense. He me
wrote the law. That's not what the law says. We're
going to force law. That's what the people put President
Trump in office to do, and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Enforce the law. And we have shut down the border.
But again, if you take Tom Homan at his word,
and there's twenty million illegals here, even at three thousand
deportations a day, it would take decades to get that
twenty million out of the country. That's the reality. It's
why Tom Homan just said, hey, we need to bump
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those numbers up to seven thousand a day. We'll talk
more about this, but I do think the only thing
that makes sense for Karen Bass is she's hoping to
get arrested. Gavin Newsom's hoping to get arrested. He actually
called out for it because they see it as ultimately
beneficial in the Democrat Party, even if it's actually detrimental
to their city and state, which is a sad place
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Speaker 7 (14:25):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are joined by
our friend Selena Zito. Book comes out today. I've got
a copy because you know, I know some people. Butler,
the Untold Story of the near assassination of Donald Trump
and the fight for America's heartland.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Selena, you do great reporting. You're an excellent writer.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
You were right there that day in Butler as those
shots rang out.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Tell us what was it like?
Speaker 8 (14:54):
One happah Yeah. So you know when you're in report
and you aren't, your day starts out a certain way,
like you're going to do this, this and this, and
nine times out of ten, that's not what happens. And
so that day I was supposed to interview President Trump
for five minutes before the rally. That changed about two
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hours after. I'm in ad Butler and it's going to
be five minutes after the rally. And then they say, well,
you want to fly to Bedminster with the President and
do the interview on the plane. I'm like, wow, I
never get an invite like that. I'm in. And then
five minutes before he's supposed to go on stage, they
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come rushing back and say it's go time. And I
just assumed that they changed their mind and I was
going to do it before the rally. So I raced
through it along with my daughter who's a photo journalist.
She did the cover of the book and race through
the crowd. We get to the behind the stage and
I asked the young man, like, where where are we
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doing this interview? And the President's around the bend. He
comes back and he says, I'm not doing the interview
right now. You're still going to Bedminster. He just wanted
to say hi to you. And so that moment of
him just wanting to say hi, he asked about my grandchildren.
I've interviewed President Trump dozens of times, and at that moment,
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I'm then now stuck because I can't get back to
the press riser and I'm supposed to leave with him
to go to Bedminster along with my daughter. So they
put me in the buffer area. The buffer is sort
of this well that goes around the stage, and they
said just follow him out and then get over on
the other side. Towards the end, you can just jump
in the motorcake. That's why I ended up being just
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four feet away from the president when he was shot,
was right. If you can see me and a lot
of the photos just to his that would have been
his left.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Selena, this is I've got the book in front of
me right now, and I read the opening chapter already.
Is fabulously well done, and I'm actually looking forward to
reading it. And we get a lot of books, and
I'm not able to read all of them. But we're
coming up on the one year anniversary. Do you find
it as hard as I do? As I think Buck does,
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and as I imagine the vast majority of people out
there listening do that we still know almost nothing about
this guy who got onto the roof with that gun.
Not much about his background, not much about his motivation
on that day, not even that much about how he
came to come as close as he did to killing
the President of the United States, which, by the grace
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of God, he did not achieve.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But we're in a completely different universe.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
If that bullet is one quarter inch closer to the president,
what do you think now, having been there, having witnessed it,
does it still seem improbable that all of this happened.
Speaker 8 (17:53):
It does seem improbable that all of this happened. And
you'll find out in the book. The President calls me
the first thing the next morning and he you know,
President Trump is a little hilarious if you don't haven't
picked up on that. The first thing he says is, Hey,
this is President Trump, Like I don't know that, right,
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And then then he goes, I'm so I want to
make sure you're okay, your daughter's okay, and I'm so
sorry that we didn't get to do that interview. And
that's that's this moment with him, right that you really
understand like like this is this is not the person
you always think he is. And we have we go
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on that day and it's detailed in the book. We
go on that day because he calls me seven times,
and he really talks about the improbability that he didn't die,
and he questions about purpose and about God not in
a fanatical you know religious way, but in a way
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that is very thoughtful. And you know, so you know
why didn't I die? Do?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I know?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
How do I have this new purpose? And I think
he answers that question every day, whether you agree or
not with everything that he does. He answers that question
every day since he was sworn in in January. They
does have purpose. This is not the presidency of a
man going into his second term. This is a president'sy.
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This is not a lame duck presidency. He is approaching
this as someone who who was spared by God, and
he says that many times to me, but also as
as someone that has a purpose and he is meant
to fulfill it, and he's going to go head down
straight into it because you never know what's going to
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happen to you.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I think that what you just said is so important,
and I think people are picking up on it now.
I think even Democrats are the biggest difference between Trump
one point zero and Trump two point zero is the
quality of the people he surrounded himself with. Yes, but
also Trump is making decisions that he thinks are generationally
in the interest of the country, and he's not concerned
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at all with anyone who might disagree with him. And
I think that's partly because he feels spared based on
what happened that day in Butler.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yes, So I had an interview coming out with him
this week on Friday in the Washington Post, and he
talks about that in a very meaningful and profound way.
And you know, part of who he surrounds himself also
has to do with Butler. Like Butler changed everything. It
didn't just change the American electorate. It didn't just change
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our coalitions and galvanize people. And people will read that
detail as I continue to cover the election in a
way that none of you have sail us all because
the reporters were writing something completely different than what I
was reporting in that moment. But everything changed in that moment.
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And I think this nugets important because it goes to
understanding Trump in a way that people don't understand, and
it goes to understanding why he's going to do what
he's going to do because God saved him. And that
is the moment that he says, fight, fight, fight. And
I asked him about it the next day, and I
asked him again about it two weeks ago. He said,
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and I just wanted to revisit it with him, and
he had the same exact answer, because I didn't know
if you would remember that or not. Right, that was
a pretty crazy day. The next day he said, I
was not Donald Trump in that moment. I had an
obligation to be someone who shows resolves and be a
symbol of the country, be a symbol of grit and exceptionalism,
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and we will go undefeated. And that is what America
has always meant to me. And I had an obligation
as a former president and possibly the next president to
show that because in a lot of ways, because I
didn't want people to panic there and they didn't, by
the way, but also I didn't want people watching panicking
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out in the streets. I had an obligation to be presidential,
not to be Donald Trump, to represent the office in
the country with resolves.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Selena, Honestly, wasn't that just the most amazing thing you've
ever seen a president do? Amazing even for President Trump,
who's done a lot of incredible stuff. Clay and I
still sit there and think, I can't it's hard to
believe even when you watch the video, Even when we
saw it the first time, as it was happening that
a president took a bullet through the year, was bleeding
on stage and turned to his people and raised a
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fist and told them to fight.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Yeah. Yeah, it was is that that process It went
through his head, that understanding that it was more he
was a man there, he was a president. He was
America in that moment, right, you know that symbol of
our country when you think about the American eagle, right,
perseverance and strength and grid. He knew that people needed
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to know that he was fighting, that the country was fighting,
and that something as dark as demonic as what Thomas
Matthew Crooks attempted to do and would have caused immense
chaos and unrest in this country was not succeeded. And
he wanted to show that America is resilient. I don't know,
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and I remember him telling me that, and my reaction was, well, wow,
that's the because it was it was it was it
was to think on your feet like that after you've
been shot. I mean most people would be in the
fetal position, right, And I'm watching him so he remember
I'm only four feet away and I'm watching him like
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struggle with his secret service because he wants his shoes on,
and damn it, he's going to get his shoes on.
He is not walking off of that stage in his
stocking feet across gravel. Were you able to be the
United States?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Were you able to go to slop?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I'm just kind of curious when something like that happens,
were you able to immediately contextualize the historic moment of
what had occurred? And the fact that I think for
hundreds of years people are going to be watching that
video and it's going to become even more iconic after
the passions of the moment start to fade because Democrats
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have whatever they think about Trump. But I think fifty
one hundred years from now, long after anyone who is
listening to us today is not here, that moment is
going to become so indelible and so iconic in American life.
Did you understand that or feel that immediately? And second part,
did you like, were you able to sleep that night?
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I'm just kind of curious when you have that experience,
how long it takes you to come down off the
adrenaline rush, just based on where you were to say nothing.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Of him, I'm still not come down from it. And
and you know, I knew exactly. You know, as a journalist,
you know part of your job, even if it's a
tiny thread, you're always covering history every day. But I
knew in that moment, you know, And and and he
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talks about purpose, but I also talk about purpose. There
is a reason I was there, right, and there was
a reason I was supposed to chronicle this, and and
I knew that that was what my purpose was and
to be able to tell this story. And because I
have a gift of total recall, right, I can remember
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every smell, every cell like I think, and color right,
like I can smell and taste and feel everything in
that moment. And and when they when people say when
they've been in in a in a in a trad situation,
the time slows down, then that was very true for me.
And and I watched the entire thing in in in
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these these very fine layers. And because I have the
gift of recall, and plus I have my recorder on
and i'm talking, I record everything that happens. I can
hear everything the president says. But also I'm talking to
my recorder, so I don't forget anything. And and I
had and I probably started the book and I didn't
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even think about a book. I just thought, well, I
need to write this story.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
And I did.
Speaker 8 (26:36):
But you know, people came to me, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Like, you need do you have an obligation to write
this book?
Speaker 8 (26:41):
And and so I immediately started writing it. While as
I'm writing it, I'm still continuing to cover an extraordinarily
historic election. That I believe is that I'm watching it
that other people aren't covering what's happening. They're covering what
they wish was having opening, They're covering what they hope happens.
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But I'm on the ground there in Pennsylvania, in the
middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania, and I'm covering this and
seeing this entire country change, not just in the rural
areas but in the suburbs. I'm watching these young mothers
who all was who have never put a Trump hat
on in the next weekend, have them on at their kids'
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soccer games because and there's interviews in the book, and
they say, hey, he can take a bullet for me.
I can wear a damn hat and not worry about
what people say to me. Everything changed in that moment.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Butler, the untold story of the Near assassination of Donald
Trump and the fight for America's heartland. Selena Zido's book
out today. Selena's great. We really love her work. Get
yourself a copy. Selena, Thank you so much.
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Oh thanks you guys. Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
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Speaker 1 (29:32):
Secretary, appreciate you being with us.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
We know we were just you're just in a marathon
cabinet meeting. As a member of the cabinet, a lot
covered there. Wanted to just jump into what is in
the big beautiful bill that affects directly US national energy policy?
Like what do we need to know about what's coming?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Actually quite a bit, but let me start out with
maybe the biggest thing is it's the ending of about
a half a trillion dollars of subsidies that would be
paid out in the next ten years, so you know,
roughly fifty billion a year. We've been paying these for
many years and the biggest component to them is to
(30:15):
pay people to put wind and solar on our electricity grid,
and subsidies to help rich people by evs. And so
the problem of these subsidies is they not only cost
the taxpayers that half a trillion dollars, but at the
end they make our electricity grids more expensive and less stable,
(30:35):
so we have to pay twice. So I think reducing
the pressure the cost of these subsidies and the pressure
on the cost instability of our grid is going to
be a big win for Americans.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
When you look at at the price of gas, I
think that's a big story.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Doesn't mean talking in the price of gasoline and in
affordability terms. So it's just tremendous. That's a significant expense
that all Americans, all of us pay every week to
get to our jobs, to go on vacations and visit
our grandmothers and travel with our kids. If you make
gasoline prices expensive, you just shrink the Life Administration's record.
(31:13):
We have gasoline twenty five to thirty cents a gallon
cheaper today than it was twelve months ago. And that's
going through a period of major conflict in the Middle East,
but major productive conflict in the Middle East, hopefully ending
the forty six years of a ran at the troublemaker
in the Middle East and really the threat to global peace,
(31:36):
probably the largest global threat to peace over the last
forty five years.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
We're speaking to the Secretary of the US Department of Energy,
Chris Wright, and mister secretary, if you could lay out
for us what does a make energy great again? You know,
mega mega, What does a make energy great again policy
under Trump look like going forward?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Forward? Does it include nuclear?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Is it new technology applied to fossil fuels?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Like?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
What is the Trump administration trying to accomplish so that
not only are we doing as much as we can
with the technology we have and the resources we have
in the past, but that we do new things, innovative
things going forward.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Oh great, setting of that table. So I mentioned that
getting rid of a half a trillion dollars to make
energy expensive. There's also in the One Big Beautiful Bill
just for returning to room of law and allowing oil,
gas and coal producers to produce again on federal lands
across the country. This will lower baseline energy prices in
(32:41):
the coming years and decades in front of us. I
squeezed that one in there real quick. But there's also
I'm a free market guy, so I'm not a fan
of subsidies, but we do have tax credits in there
for a finite period of time for next generation nuclear
and for geothermal and for uprates. If we can get
more power out of hydro, have it cheaper to build
(33:02):
big reactors.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, go ahead, No, I was going to ak.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
It's exactly what you were going into, which is what
does that look like, because nuclear unfortunately became a boogeyman.
What does it look like? And what percentage do you
think of our power could come from nuclear in the
years ahead, given the Trump administration's willingness and your willingness to.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Twenty percent of electricity today, So after a natural gas,
which is by far and away the leader, nuclear is second.
But yeah, I mean that could Yeah, a couple of
decades from now, that could be fifty, forty or fifty
percent of our electricity from nuclear. We got to build
a lot to do that, but this is America. We
can build a lot. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the NRC
(33:42):
has just made it so expensive, so slow, and so
risky to develop nuclear power in the country. We basically
stopped doing it for the last few decades. So we
need regulatory reform at the NRC. We need regulatory reform
from NEPA so that it's just a check are we
being small about the environment? Not a weaponized thing. You
could just have lawsuits and stop anything from being built.
(34:06):
We need to have a five permit on federal lands,
Department of Energy, you'll be in charge of that. We
will have next generation test reactors running twelve months from
today at our Idaho National Lab facilities. There like the
technology is there, at the private capital is there, the
interest is there. We just need the government to get
out of the way and let capitalism and free market
(34:28):
forces bring us a very exciting few decades with rapid
growth in nuclear energy.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
We're talking to Energy Secretary Chris Wright.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
Buck just asked, and you are hearing a lot of
talk about the need for nuclear power. Underscoring all of this,
based on the people that I talk to, is there
isn't enough discussion about all of the power and energy
that's going to be necessary for AI that the amount
that this is going to demand, the amount that it's
going to soak up, is just off the charts, Matt,
(35:01):
I imagine is something you're spending a decent amount on
as well, uh, for AI for the AI revolution to
take place in for America to lead? What sort of
energy do we need to create that isn't being created now?
Is that accurate based on what you're seeing now?
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You're absolutely right. Let me give them numbers real quick.
We had so here we are twenty twenty five. Five
years from now, we're going to need probably at least
another one hundred gigawatts of generation. A gigawatt is like
a big coal power plant, a big natural gas plant,
a nuclear plant. Some nuclear plants are two or three gigawatts,
but one hundred gigawatts of additional power five years from now.
(35:42):
And in the current plan, there is a plan to
shut down one hundred gigawatts of mostly coal plants over
the next five years. If we did all that, we'd
have to build two hundred gigawatts of new power generation
to meet that projected demand. And what's the queue right
now that's visible or applying for a permit or acquiring
(36:04):
land of firm capacity about twenty gigawatts, so a gaping hole.
Which is why this administration in my department are going
to be very carefully scrutinizing. Does it make sense to
shut down that coal power plant like the one they
tried to shut down in Michigan and over one gigawatt
power plant fifteen years left the plant life, and for
(36:25):
political reasons we want to get rid of coal, We're
going to shut that puppy down. I used emergency powers
to keep it open. Two days in that same Midwest
grid there was a blackout. Like, we've just got to
stop shooting ourselves in the foot by closing existing plants,
and we've got to make it much much easier for
American businesses to build new natural gas plants, to build
(36:47):
new new current plants, to build new geothermal and next
generation electricity generating capacity. Just wind and solar just is
simply not an answer. You know, it's really hot in
DC today, but the wind is still wind power at
time of peak demand, and the winner it's really cold
at night, but we don't have any solar power. And
when you're in a cold of the huge cold front,
(37:08):
it's again a high pressure system, no win. So we
just got to get smart about energy in the United
States again. But it's business and private entrepreneurs that are
going to drive this. We just need the government to
be out of the way and a credible partner for
permitting and any other infrastructure that needs to be built
(37:29):
to support it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
But I'm up.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
This is America. We can build things again.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Well one more for you, mister Secretary, Thank you for
being with us in terms of ex sports for particularly
oil and natural gas. I know we've been doing very well,
and America is really the world's fossil fuel the true
fossil fuel superpower. We don't necessarily think of ourselves that way,
(37:53):
but I think the numbers certainly bear that out. Is
there going to be would you expect it an increase
in that? And how how do you see it affecting
global demand?
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, there's going to be a huge increase of that.
The United States is already by follow the largest exporter
of natural gas in the world, and we will double
that in the next five years, and the five or
seven years after that we could double it again, so
America would just be the dominant supplier of natural gas
around the world. That's twenty five percent of global energy
(38:29):
comes from natural gas, and it's the fastest growing source
of energy on the planet. So super excited about where
all this could go.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And I've got to jump onto no W.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We like the optimism. Thanks for joining us right after
cabinet meeting. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright, Thank you so much, sir.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Love to show you guys run keep up the great work.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Can I just say I love that the Secretary of
Energy is a high energy guy. You know, he's not
low energy, he's high energy. Running around there in the background.
We'll break down some of that. Continue to take your
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right,
we'll play some of your reactions. Again, I have brilliantly
explained why the Epstein case is really frankly based on
all the logic about a guy who got rich by
being able to provide young, attractive women to people who
were also rich, and that may well have led to
(41:03):
relationships with intelligence agencies. And so far that does not
seem to have quelled the crazy brigade. So the crazy
brigade is welcome to call in eight hundred and two
two two eight A two and argue that the entire
government has conspired to protect Jeffrey Epstein. But I did
(41:26):
want to say something incredibly positive. Did you see this story?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (41:31):
You no longer have to take your shoes off to
go through a TSA line.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Now, I love to see it.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
I only got TSA pre check like whatever, Ali, producer, Ali,
and you made me do it because I had never
done it.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
We believe you didn't have pre check. That was a
true shocker.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
It is true I had not done it. My last
book came out. They were like, you need to do it.
It is better. I'll be honest with you. Some airports,
the pre check line is now longer than the regular line.
Like when I flew back from Florida, recently, every time
I go into my Florida airport, the line is longer
(42:11):
to go through pre check than it is to go
through standard, and that sometimes happens at lots of different
airports out there across the country. But would you agree
with me that it was almost universally hated that you
had to take your shoes off, and it was one
of the things that any government employee would make you
(42:31):
do that regardless of how you vote. Everybody was like,
this is absurd and ridiculous. Yeah, it was degrading and
it felt preposterous. And the whole thing to me was
always look.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
A lot of the TSA stuffice theater, and there was
a lot of TSA. A lot of things that TSA
have done and we're doing reminds me of the way
that COVID was handled on some level, like we're just
going to do things so that people think that we're
doing things. But the people I always felt bad for
weren't just the I have to remove my shoes people, Clay,
(43:06):
It was the people who weren't wearing socks of that
just feels icky. You know, you have to kick off
your your birken stocks with no socks and you got
to walk on those gross airport floors. What do you
think the last time was the TSA line floor was
mopped up.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I think it's been a while.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Look, this is how you beat viruses. You got to
expose yourself to the grit and grime. This is why
bare feet people, I think we live longer because we
are more attuned with like fighting off viruses, because we
just walk around with bare feet. We're exposing ourselves all
the time. In all seriousness, this is one of the
(43:46):
stories they say about why allergies have gotten so bad.
Have you read some of these theories that the reason
why kids today are allergic to so much more every
generation is allergic to more is actually because we live
in such sterile, clean environments that kids today are not
coming into contact with the same amount of antigens ish
(44:10):
for lack of a better term, that they would have before.
And so that's one reason for antactagens pathogens. Right, antigens pathogens?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
I don't know. Maybe it's antigens.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Are they just two different types of the same thing.
I'm not the science.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Are right?
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Antigen a toxic or other foreign substance with which induces
an immune response?
Speaker 3 (44:30):
You're right?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Antigen, not pathogen. Sorry you keep going.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
Well, now you've got me confused, because I'm like, what's
the difference between an antigen and a pathogen? But I
do think like every kid, every generation of kids has
gotten way more allergic to peanuts, for instance, right, Like
they don't even have peanuts on airplanes now.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, So a pathogen is a disease causing organism, bacteria, virus, fungus.
An antigen is just a thing that triggers an immune response.
Is actually the more proper There you go, mister Clay,
There you go, are hack to you, sir, And everybody
just got better at sat vocab out there who's out
(45:09):
for school for the summer. You should be able to
get that correct now. But you know, used to be
in like nineteen eighty nobody had buying large peanut allergies.
And now we sit here in twenty twenty five, forty
five years later, and they can't even pass out peanuts
on airplanes anymore because there might be an allergy there.
How does that happen? Well, I think it's frankly because
(45:30):
we're not exposing kids to these antigens. But on the
larger context here, I think TSA is an I know
a lot of you are TSA agents, because I meet
a lot of TSA agents going in and out of
airports that listen to the show and or consume the
(45:53):
comments we go through to get on airplanes and taking
off your shoes and taking your laptop out of your
bag and things like that, and now you have to
have the real id to fly. None of it feels
to me like it's making us very much safer. And
I think many people have always seen I know I was.
(46:15):
I remember the shoebomber whatever his name was, Richard Richard
back in the day, tried to light his shoes on
fire on a flight I think from Europe to the
United States if I remember correctly, and h But I
just feel like all of that kind of conspired to
make people trust the larger security apparatus less instead of more.
(46:39):
And the data actually reflects people get through with weapons
all the time, you know, when they do the tests
on ay, like I've got an actual gun, an actual gun,
which you would think like, hey, maybe your nail clippers,
we don't need to worry about so much, but an
actual gun, let's try to stop that from happening. They
(46:59):
still get through an actually scary amount of time even
with existing TSA.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, this is true.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
So I don't know what the long range solution is
here long term, but I do feel like this is
an improvement, and on a positive level, I think it
will probably cut lines by a quarter or a third
because everything will just be way more efficient without having
to make people take their shoes off and walk through
(47:30):
and wait for it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Not to interrupt our shoe security discussion, but we will
have now we've been confirm it's been confirmed by his team.
The Energy Secretary will join us at two o'clock because
he just got out of the rather lengthy Trump Cabinet
meeting which covered a lot of ground, which we're bringing
you the highlights of it. I think we're doing a
great service by bringing you the highlights, because otherwise you
(47:54):
have to spend most of your day listening to the
entirety of the Trump Cabinet meeting. So we will have
the inner Secretary, which will be an exciting discussion, and
you don't have to take your shoes off anymore now
in the normal line. And yes, it is true Clay
that sometimes the TSA pre line is in fact worse
than the just I'm a person who wants to fly line,
(48:16):
so you gotta you gotta pick your you gotta pick
your line here in Miami, which I will say is
one of the worst airports in America for any city.
I think it's probably a top five worst airport. It's
one of the few things about Miami that.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I really.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
It's just a big, big, l big loss. Is the
airport here, and there's many different airport.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Is a disaster. It's a disaster.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
It's a terrible airport, and the city of Miami needs
to figure out.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
And let me say this too.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
Fort Lauderdale better, I think in terms of getting able
to get in and out also an awful airport.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
The Palm Jisch Airport is the one you want to
go to if you're looking for a nice airport around here.
You know, there's like a string quartet playing when you land.
There's a butler's named Jeeves who are hanging or who
are handing out little little nibbles of caviare very civilized
in the Palm Beach airport. But Miami, you know, you
can get some uh some Cuban coffee. But the airport
(49:14):
itself is not good.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Miami. It seems like it was designed the airport to
make you have to walk the longest.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Boss possible distance at all times. Yes, and it has
the worst It has the worst food, the worst design.
It looks like it, you know, as a nineteen seventies
time warp. So yeah, if you have a good airport, lucky.
I saw actually a ranking of the best airports in
the car I saw this. The Washington Post ranked them.
Do you have an airport you fly into and you're like, man,
this is a great Now some airports are tiny, and
(49:42):
I don't count those, like you know, I at the terminal,
I will say, is pretty impressive. Now we can't throw
any shade at it.
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Well, Guardia used to be like a greyhound bus terminal.
I hated going there. It's really nice now. Nashville has
done a good job on I think redoing much. Yeah,
very civilized. You guys have a good air Yeah, it's
it's a pretty good airport. I actually think National Airport
is the best in DC in terms of proximity to
(50:11):
being able to get in and out of the city.
I actually think National is one of the best. This
would be I mean, I feel like I've been to
almost every major airport at some point in time.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
And I'll tell you a Salt Lake city has a
great airport.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
I'm trying to think of the other ones that I've
been to recently where now some cities have multiple airports,
so that can get a little bit complicated. Denver's airports
in the middle of nowhere, it's actually very nice airport
when you actually get there. Dallas is generally actually O'Hair
I know, gets a lot of hate.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
I know O'Hair gets a ton of hate.
Speaker 5 (50:45):
Dulus if they make you get on like a people
mover to get to the terminals. Like Dallas, you have
to get on the people mover. Orlando not very well designed.
You have to get on the people movers. Vegas a
lot of time. Vegas is oh Vegas is ugly, not surprising,
but pretty depressing airport.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Portland has, according to the Post, had a very nice airport.
We got Trump weighing in here on you see that
that's a hard turn back into the news.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's how we roll here.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
We got Trump weighing in on the Putin situation. From
Portland to Putin, we cover all the ground here. This
is caught thirty two. You can tell Trump is getting
very frustrated with the leader of Russia.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Listen to this one play it.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
That was a war that should have happened, and a
lot of people are dying and it should end.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
We get we get, We get a lot of vote
thrown at us by Putin for you want to know
the truth. It is very nice all the time, but
it turns out to be meaningless. Lensigram has a sanctions
bill on Russia.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Do you want them to move?
Speaker 4 (51:45):
I'm looking at it. Yeah, I'm looking at The Senator
is passing and passed a very very tough sanctions but yeah,
I'm looking at It's an optional bill. It's totally at
my option. They passed it totally at my option, and
to terminate totally at my option. And I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
The plan so far with Russia to stop this bloodshed
in Ukraine Clay has not worked. So Trump is now
looking at the pressure points that he can use in
the alternatives to get Putin to stop. But it's been
going in the other direction.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
Are we still have they given up on the Trump
as a Russian asset or is this still something they
say on the left? Now you don't hear it as much.
You don't hear it as much because he still pretty
critical of Putin in the first six months, and now
he's like the readout on Zolensky and the resources we're
giving is that Trump's relationship with Zelensky is on a
(52:40):
better ground than his relationship with Putin. Remember is only
in February where we had to blow up in the
Oval office and everybody was convinced, oh, this is Manchurian
candidate Trump. I just I can't keep up with who
exactly Trump is an asset of So I just I'm
curious what the latest is on the left wing swamp
fever dreams. Yeah, we'll get we'll bring you more of
(53:02):
this here momentarily. And then also we got the Energy
secretary coming up here at the top talk about how
we're going to be I assume it's gonna be a
lot of drill, baby drill going on, and that's a
good thing. We want those fossil fuels, we want the
actual and we want nuclear We want some things that
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