Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 9 2025

Biden's Doc Pleads the 5th

Biden’s personal physician, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, invoked the Fifth Amendment during a congressional deposition—fueling speculation of a coordinated effort to conceal the president’s cognitive decline.

Clay and Buck analyze the implications of this development, citing House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer’s assertion that Dr. O’Connor’s silence points to a broader conspiracy within the Biden White House. The hosts explore two possible outcomes: either a whistleblower from Biden’s inner circle may come forward, or damning documents could emerge proving the president was unfit for office.

The conversation intensifies as the hosts argue for primetime congressional hearings—similar to the January 6th hearings—to expose what they describe as a “Biden health coverup.” They emphasize the ethical and political stakes, asserting that Biden’s top aides may have knowingly misled the public while continuing to govern in his name.

Attacking ICE

Breaking story about ten individuals charged with attempted murder after a coordinated assault on the Prairie Land ICE Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas. The hosts detail how the attackers used fireworks and firearms—including AR-15s—against law enforcement, resulting in a police officer being shot in the neck. Clay and Buck argue that this domestic terrorism incident has been deliberately underreported by mainstream media due to political motivations and the overshadowing of other tragedies in Texas.

The conversation pivots to a broader critique of media double standards, comparing the muted response to this attack with the intense coverage of January 6th and the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot. The hosts assert that left-wing political violence is more prevalent than reported and accuse the Biden administration of weaponizing federal agencies to target conservatives while ignoring threats from the far left.

Other Points of View

Subscribe to the show’s rapidly growing YouTube channel—currently at 75,000 subscribers—with a goal of surpassing 100,000. The hosts emphasize how platforms like YouTube and TikTok shape the political and cultural views of younger generations, making digital outreach a key strategy.

The conversation then pivots to a major political flashpoint: President Biden’s physician, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, invoking the Fifth Amendment. Utah Senator Mike Lee’s tweet questioning whether Dr. O’Connor should be granted immunity to testify sparks a detailed legal discussion. Clay and Buck explore the boundaries of doctor-patient confidentiality, HIPAA laws, and the potential for testimony if political pressure influenced public medical statements about Biden’s fitness for office.

Epstein's Client List

A significant portion of the hour is dedicated to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and the public’s frustration with the Department of Justice’s handling of the case. The hosts critique AG Pam Bondi’s communication strategy, arguing that her messaging lacked clarity and failed to address public concerns. They clarify that the child pornography found in Epstein’s possession was downloaded from the internet and did not depict Epstein himself—an important distinction that has been poorly communicated. The discussion also touches on broader suspicions of a blackmail operation and the belief that other high-profile individuals may have been involved, though no prosecutable evidence has surfaced.

Listeners call in to express skepticism about the official narrative, with some suggesting that critical evidence may have been destroyed or suppressed. The hosts respond by defending the integrity of individuals like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, asserting tha

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. Oh my goodness,
maybe real panic in the Biden world, as the proverbial
crap may have hit.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
The fan here.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I do think this is a really big story
that has just happened this morning that we are going
to dive into and explain what exactly is going on here.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
As if you.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Don't already know, Joe Biden's doctor, his personal physician, his
White House chief health official for his own personal ability
and health was called before Congress. They're doing an investigation
into Joe Biden's mental and physical faculties and what now

(01:00):
is increasingly looking more and more like.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
A cover up.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
And this is a big deal, and I'm curious how
much attention it's going to get, but I think it
should get a massive amount of attention. And I want
to read from James Comer, who is heading up this committee,
and we have an invite out to Representative Comer to
come on the program and talk about this. This is

(01:25):
what he tweeted. President Joe Biden's physician, doctor Kevin O'Connor,
just pled the fifth at his deposition before Congress Today,
it's now clear there was a conspiracy to cover up
President Biden's cognitive decline after doctor Kevin O'Connor, Biden's physician
and family business associate, refused to answer any questions and

(01:48):
chose to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. The American people
demand transparency, but doctor O'Connor would rather conceal the truth.
Doctor O'Connor took the fifth when asked if he was
told to lie about President Biden's health and whether he
was fit to be president of the United States. Congress
must assess legislative solutions to prevent such a cover up

(02:09):
from happening again. We will continue to interview more Biden
White House aids to get the answers Americans deserve. Okay,
let me let me tell you what stands out to
me in a very significant way here. And this is
me if I were giving legal advice, you take the
fifth when you are afraid that it is going to

(02:30):
be proven that you have lied.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
You lie.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I'm just saying this is how it really works. You lie,
which is what I expected Biden's physician to do. When
you think you can get away with the lie, and
there is no one that is going to be able
to hold you accountable for it. Now, I'm not saying
people are like, oh, you should never lie.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I understand, Okay. In general, Clay is not just to
be clear, okay, as Consoliari, He's not suborning perjury. He's
not telling anybody to try to gain the system. He's
saying strategically, this is what people do. This is how
this works.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
If you think you can get away with a lie
in this situation, if they say, hey, what did you
think about Joe Biden, then you just say, hey, you know,
he was one hundred percent healthy, and and or if
you actually believe it to be fair, because you could
just say, well, he was one hundred percent healthy, there
was never any issues at all, and I was thoroughly
confident that he could do the job. Here's what I

(03:27):
think is going on, Buck. I think one of two
things is about to happen, and it's going to become
a five alarm fire inside of the Biden health cover up. One,
there is somebody who's gonna flip, and they may be
working on this right now, and they may have somebody
inside of the Biden team that is on the verge

(03:48):
of flipping and just being the canary and singing like
crazy about all of the conspiracy that actually took place,
what he or she saw, what actually took place, what
we all know was a hering. It may be about
to become public in a way that makes people say,
oh my goodness. Two, there may be documents associated with

(04:11):
Joe Biden's health that prove I know that they had
the cancer diagnosis, and we all discussed what that might represent.
But there may be documents health related that proved beyond
a shadow of a doubt that any physician knew that
Biden was not mentally and physically capable to be president

(04:33):
of the United States.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so it could be both.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think that this investigation is jostling a lot of people.
And I think his counsel said because previously, remember what
he said publicly is Joe Biden was hail and hardy,
he had the job to be He could be president
for another twenty years. You know all these lies that
we know are lies. That's what he said publicly. But

(04:57):
as soon as he has to raise that right hand,
why would he take the fifth He is afraid. Maybe
he's even negotiating to potentially be a witness in this
larger criminal inquiry. I think this is accelerating and this
is the signs of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Let's take a step back here at what this really means, Clay.
The cleanup on ale Biden is possibly going to create
even more problems because remember, and this was the whole
Tapper book and the whole oh we didn't know, we
didn't know, and they're hoping that that now becomes the story.
And we've sat here the whole time saying the commander

(05:36):
in chief, the most powerful person in the world for
four years, obviously had dementia. They were hiding it, and
they knew it. And they have finally come out and said,
you know what, you were right guys. Now that they
lost the election, now that Kamala's political future is done,
by the way, done, and people just think Comma's gona
run no chance. Now that that's all the case, they're

(05:56):
willing to say we missed this. No, they didn't miss it,
and they were hoping to create that narrative because you
can move on from that. I don't think you can
move on. And people are saying, why are you guys
still talking about this? Are you kidding me? It matters
hugely hugely if the people running the government, the actual
individuals who in some cases maybe were even signing bills

(06:20):
and doing things in Biden's name without his knowledge, were
conspiring and that's an important word here, conspiring to hide
that fact from the American people. Let's keep in mind, Clay,
some of the charges that they were trying to bring
against Trump with regard to the twenty twenty election had
to do with deprivation of civil rights. Remember how creative

(06:43):
they're going, because if you were depriving people of a
fair election, you were depriving them of a Now, put
aside whether you think that that's a little too much
legal hocus pocus, look at what it would mean if
Biden's doctor and people around Now, the doctor can I
had a legal obligation and he does to keep it private,

(07:04):
like he couldn't go forward with that. But I think
the doctor knows that there are other people who knew,
like maybe the top White House advisors who knew, and
they chose, they chose the conspiracy of silence.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, and also this is where it gets interesting. You
can argue, hey, my patient's private health is not for
public discussion. He's entitled to that. His family might be
entitled to that. Here's the problem. A lot of people
had access to the reports that he was writing, and
I think what likely was occurring was top Biden officials.

(07:42):
This is why I read and have finished original sin.
There was a cadre the Politbureau, as it were, about
five top advisors for Biden shielded him from everyone else.
And I think that group was sitting down with the
doctor and saying, here's what we're going to say publicly.
I think this was a conspiracy. I think it was criminal,

(08:04):
and I think there's starting to be fear that there
may be criminal charges brought against this. And here's what
I would say, and I've said this before on the program,
but I would echo it now because I think it's
even truer because I was stunned that he didn't just
try to lie his way through it candidly. This morning
when I woke up and I saw this news coming down,
I think there should be public primetime hearings about this

(08:27):
in the same way that they did Jan six, because
there's a precedent on this in August when there's not
very much on television. Do these make ABC, NBCCBS, CNN,
MSNBC covered this as a part of their broadcast license
obligations and the precedent.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
They said on January sixth.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Bring every one of these top advisors in front of
Congress and grill them under oath.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Now you could say, Clay, there are two I agree.
I think it's I think that's absolutely the move. There
are two ways to look at this or look at
why this happened. One is, and we'll start with it.
It's the ethical right thing to do. The American people
have a right to know and that if this was done.
We need this to be out there because we are

(09:12):
a republic and we are a political entity where the
knowledge of the population matters for the leadership in the
future of it. Okay, And now maybe that sounds a
little too much like I'm giving a you know, third
grade civic speech for some people. Okay, fine, Well I
want to talk about you know, Epstein, or I want
to talk about something else. Okay, Well, hold on a second.
Remember what happened to the midterms. To your point, they

(09:34):
ran all these hearings. Now, I know there were different
reasons for it, but defensive democracy was seen as a
primary reason in the key races that things just went
against Republicans. You know, if you looked at the data
defensive democracy, they say it like that, Clay, I think
going into the Trump midterms here, when there's a little

(09:56):
bit of an expectation, Oh no, they might take back
the House and then they'll stye me everything. Hold on
a second, Let's let all of the American people know
that the Democrat Party at the very top level that
had been lecturing us about our sacred democracy and our
wonderful institutions that Trump was trampling on. Let's let them
know that they were hiding a vegetable president from the

(10:17):
American public and in the White House day in and
day out, and they were making decisions, and they were
signing bills, and they were making decisions about life and death,
with operations abroad and covert actions and pardons and all
of this with a vegetable sputtering around the White House.
I think people should know the full details. Politically, that

(10:38):
could have a real impact if you don't care about
the ethics of it. Yeah, and also I think the
precedent that it sets in the years ahead. I think
if you shame these individuals who covered up Joe Biden
and potentially criminally charged them and embarrassed them publicly. I
think there may be in the back of the mind
of advisors going forward, I don't work for this president.

(11:03):
I work for the American people, and that distinction sometimes
can be difficult. But everyone who covered up for Joe
Biden wasn't working for the American public. They were working
for Joe Biden. And worst of all, they were working
for themselves. In original Sin, there's a good line Buck.
I haven't heard it before, and I'm paraphrasing it here,
but one of the quotes is, no one quits when

(11:26):
it's the first line of their obituary. No one quits
a job that's the first line of their obituary. Because
they just kept saying, why were all these guys and
gals surrounding Biden protecting him? Because this was the apex
of their career too. It wasn't just that Joe Biden

(11:46):
was president. It was that they were chief of staff
or chief of politics. Their connection to his power was paramount,
And no one quits. Think about that line. It's a
really good line. I hadn't heard it before. No one
quits the job that's the first line of their resume.
And I may not be synthesizing it perfectly. But that
basically is the idea, and I think that's what we

(12:06):
saw with Biden and I. Again, no one takes let
me say this, no one takes the fifth who isn't
concerned about what's coming next. You always take the fifth
as a prelude to something else that isn't public yet
that you're afraid is coming down the tracks after you. Well,

(12:27):
it's one of the funniest things. You could run this.
You could run this tape all day with these different Democrats.
Now we're going to say, in this case Clay, pleading
the fifth means nothing, not an admission of guilts. When
it's a Republican. When it's Trump, anybody around Trump who
wanted to plead the fifth, of course, it's an admission
of guilt. So there's no real principle that they apply
to this at all. I will also point this out.

(12:48):
This is what we talked about a lot with Trump.
They're simultaneously the legal and the political, and something can
be very smart legally and awful politically. And Trump, I thought,
was a masterclass on how to balance out the legal
and political because they tried to put him in prison
and bankrupt him, and that was basically the undercurrent of
his entire campaign in twenty twenty four, and he did

(13:10):
a lot of things that lawyers would say.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I'd prefer you not do that here. This could be
smart legally and devastating politically. Did we talk on the air,
because this is one of the most interesting things you
said to me off the air about what's in the
book that you've read, which, now whatever, Clay's going to
give me his copy, So I'm not going to give
any money. Yes, next time you read the original sin
book over July fourth on the beach, I finished it.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yes, so so he's going to give me his copy.
I'm not going to give them any money. But Clay,
did we talk about how Biden felt about the prospect
of Trump going to prison on the show?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I can't remember if we did. I can't remember if
we said that on or off air. Conversations continue about Yeah,
got into that.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, let's let's get into that in a moment, because
I also think that is really important for everyone to know,
especially given the now revelations about what looks more like
a conspiracy. See instead of the Democrats are just so
dumb they can't tell when someone has, you know, brain problems.
We should dive into that a little bit. Yeah, no doubt.

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(14:29):
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Speaker 2 (14:42):
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Speaker 2 (16:04):
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout, Buck, It does, but it's actually
a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name
is Bricks which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and
South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Smart move to stick with bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, that's an understatement. Bricks is a group of emerging
economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening. Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a
precious metal specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group.
He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown
on what's going on there. Can he give us some

(16:45):
inside intel? Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact,
a major theme at the summit is how bricks nations
aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade. Yikes,
that doesn't sound good. We got to get Phillip on
the line. Stat already did and he left the Clay
and Buck audience this message.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
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These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
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ninety eight ninety eight, ninety eight. Over the fourth of
July weekend, this happened. Ten have been charged with attempted
murder after shooting at an Ice detention center. And I
want to give you some of the details of this.

(18:04):
This was the update as of yesterday, but on the
fourth of July. Now look this part of the reason
I think this didn't get more attention is completely understandable
in a news cycle sense that the tragedy in Texas
and we're still I even have a hard time talking
about that off air to friends and family, just in

(18:24):
terms of you know, the updates. It's it's such a
it's such a gut punch. It's so horrible what happened,
and it's just terribly sad, terribly sad situation. And our
hearts really truly do go out to the families of
those affected and to those communities in Texas that have
been hit. You know, you know, we love Texas on

(18:44):
this show. We have so many of you who are Texans,
and it just has a special place in our heart
and we're thinking about all of you. So that's that's
part of why I think this story is almost on
this other story about talking about almost unknown to a
lot of people. And then there's the political aspect of it,
which is I think they don't want this story to
get a lot of attention. And here's what happened. You've

(19:07):
got ten people who have been arrested for this already
and eleventh is expected to face it separate charges. People
were at a Prairie Land Detention center in Alvarado, Texas,
and they had vandalized ice vehicles that were parked there.
This is twenty eight miles to the south of Fort

(19:27):
Worth in Texas, and there were all these demonstrations that
were happening. And now remember the left has decided I
think Clay right. Now they've moved on a little bit
from free Palestine stuff whatever that means to the ICE
thing is now the new. This is the thing. This
is the current thing for left wing maniacs who you know,

(19:50):
want to act out and break the law and push
for anarchy and chaos. So there were these demonstrations protests
going on. But while this was happening, these ten people
well got into it with some ICE officers. And then
this was on Friday, at ten thirty seven pm, ten

(20:12):
to twelve people shot fireworks at the detention center. Think
about this, You're shooting fireworks at peace officers, at Immigration
and Customs Enforcement federal agents. And then one of the
two people separated from the group and wrote graffiti Ice
Pig and Trader on the car. Now Ice Pig, I
believe means kill the police, just putting that out there.

(20:34):
So they're writing on the car on the ice you know,
Immigration's customer force and vehicles, and then Trader. Of course
we all know what that's about. A officer from the
Alvarado Police Department arrived at the detention center parking lot.
He got out of the vehicle, a person in the
woods opened fire with an AR fifteen, shot this officer

(20:56):
in the neck. A detective from Thejohnson County Sheriff's Office
who was heading the detention center, pulled over a van
that had fled the scene. The driver, identified as Megan Morris,
told police officers of meeting people online and bringing them
to quote make some noise. Inside the van were two

(21:16):
AR fifteen rifles, two kevlar ballistic style vests, and a
ballistic helmet clay. This group of left wing maniacs showed
up to assault with semi automatic rifles an immigration enforcement
facility and ended up shooting a law enforcement officer in

(21:37):
the neck. And this is terrorism. This is a big deal.
This is a huge story. It's a huge story.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
And I think you're right that because it happened in
Texas in the midst of the flooding and over July
fourth weekend, it hasn't gotten the attention that otherwise would.
I think that's even true on Fox News and the
Wall Street Journal and the New York Post and places
that you would assume would cover this. I think a

(22:04):
lot of distraction has rightly occurred because of the far
more significant loss of life in Texas and what happened
there that story in conjunction with July fourth, This is
one though that I do believe is incredibly important to
focus on because what it represents, what we talked about

(22:26):
the jan sixth, Democrats were able to create what I
think is a fundamental lie in the larger marketplace of ideas,
and they were able to set it, and they were
able to argue it, and many of their supporters believe it,
which is Trump supporters are uniquely dangerous and violent, and

(22:47):
therefore we must have them underneath the microscope of the
security apparatus. And when you did that, you could then
remember the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping. There were a lot of
stories that they were able to feed, and we talked
about this on the program. When you tell FBI agents, hey,

(23:07):
this is our focus. We need you to find people
doing these crimes, and then you know the media is
going to cover it when you find it. They created
the idea that Trump supporters were uniquely dangerous.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
It isn't true.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I think in fact, most violence that's happening of a
political nature in the last four or five years has
actually been left wing led and this is representative of that.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, what happened to the DHS and these other agency
bulletins that were suddenly coming out under the Biden administration.
If that's the run of white nationalism and we have
to be so concerned about the white nationalist terrorists, We're
sitting around and I'm we used to say this on
the shop.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Said the number one threat to America was white supremacy.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Joe Biden. Yes, that's what he said. And I still
to this day, I have met gihatists and I have
seen what they are capable of. I've never met a
white supremacist. I live in America. I've never had one.
So I sit here and I say to myself, that's
the biggest threat in America. It was all, of course inflated. Again,
Do they exist?

Speaker 6 (24:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Of course. Are Are they something that people are concerned
about day to day in a country three hundred and
fifty million people, No, they are not. Imagine for a second,
and this just I think puts it into context that
we have ten people here have in charged with attempted
murder of a federal officer. Okay, ten people have been
charged with attempted murder of a federal officer basically ambushing

(24:34):
this ICE agent at this facility in Texas with rifles,
trying to kill the guy and Clay. Imagine if FBI
officers who were arresting again. I'm going to this because
it's the very partisan thing in the moment right now,
immigrations the very partisan fight nationally, and you know, we're

(24:56):
on the side of good and the law with this one.
But imagine the J six thing for a second. Ten
J six supporters or you know, ten people who were
supportive of the J six rights movement, which is all
it was. These people should be treated fairly and not
treated like monsters and members of al Kaeda in many
cases not really doing anything. And then there was an

(25:17):
ambush of an FBI officer who got shot in the
neck trying to serve a warrant on Jay six Clay.
There would be like armored cars patrolling the streets of
America with loud speakers declaring martial law under Biden, I mean,
it would be a full scale national freak out if
that had happened. And this story gets swept under the rug,

(25:39):
and it's also swept under the rug at a time
when you have this is a very common thing I
keep hearing they're saying, why do these ICE officers, these
are elected officials in America, why do they have to
cover their faces while they're doing these operations? Oh, I
don't know, because they don't want their family to face
death threats and possible actual attempted violence because they're enforcing

(26:00):
the law. What does that say about the Democrats that
the leadership is willing to throw law enforcement under the
bus so quickly and so ruthlessly. I think this is true.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
And also, Buck, I would point out that Democrats are
really on the wrong side of immigration. Still, did you
see this study that came out, because I think it
ties in Signal came out with a study a plus rating.
I understand pollsters as it are as they are. You
can agree or disagree with them, but this was pretty significant.

(26:33):
Do you support or oppose deporting those illegally in the
United States back to their country of origin? Support sixty
one percent, opposed thirty five percent. Even as we are
still in the midst of Democrats trying to say, oh,
this is the Holocaust, ice agents are modern day Nazis.
Listen to this, two Buck, White Americans sixty five thirty

(26:55):
one support, Black fifty three point thirty seven support, Hispanic
fifty to forty eight support.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, these are huge numbers.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Every major racial group in America thinks that if you're
illegally in this country, you should be sent back to
the country of your origin.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
This is the learning mechanism of the American people on
display based on what the Biden regime put us through.
And for a lot of people, the immigration propaganda, and
of course when I say immigration, we're talking about illegal immigration,
illegal alien entry into the United States. The illegal alien

(27:38):
propaganda was, oh, this is just about being a nice person,
and this is the way America was built, and they're
doing the jobs Americans won't do and everything else. And
under Biden it turned into ten million people are coming here.
They're lying. Okay, they're overwhelmingly not asiluent, they have no
basis for asylum. They're lying to get into the country.

(27:59):
They're getting access to benefits, they're trying to scam the system,
and they're putting emergency rooms and stayed in local budgets
and go down the list under huge duress, and people
are tired of the crap. People of good faith on
the issue of the legal immigration, and I mean, keens
of millions of Americans feel scammed. And I'm talking with

(28:22):
people like me that I've thought this was bad for
a long time. I mean, new people have come to
the party and realized the media was lying to them,
the Democrats were lying to them. Trump has been speaking
the truth and they got scammed. And that's why the
numbers are what you just laid out. And Democrats don't
know how to handle this right now.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Let me also say this, this is why I'm such
an optimist that over time the right argument to win.
This is one where Trump was one billion percent right.
And think about all when he came down the escalator
in twenty fifteen and started his rise politically, what did

(29:02):
he say, the border, of the border, of the border,
people that are illegal, violent criminals are coming across the border.
And they tried to cancel him. They tried to cancel
him for that. And Trump has stayed on message for
a decade now, leading with the border most of the time.
And now the American public, black, white, Asian, Hispanic has

(29:23):
all been convinced that he is right on this issue.
And this is why the marketplace of ideas is so important,
because you can take something you remember this buck.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
When he started that it.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Was a minority opinion, they tried to cancel him, they
took him off television.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
They just let him. Yeah, they thought they could just
shout him down with its racism. Now a majority of
Black Americans and a majority of Latino Americans agree with Trump.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, because they have seen the impact of illegal immigration
in their communities and they know it's wrong. And this
is why, over time, I really do this is my
ultimate optimism, and this is what I think about a lot.
The marketplace of ideas matter so much because sometimes you
say things that make people uncomfortable, and over time you

(30:07):
continue to make your argument and more and more people
see it. And I think that's the story writ large
of Trump, because you know what, sixty four million people
voted for Trump in twenty sixteen. By twenty twenty four,
seventy seven million voted for Trump. There's tens of millions
of you out there listening right now, all over the
country who didn't vote for Trump in sixteen that came

(30:28):
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(30:50):
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seems to be hopefully calling down. Right now, we're looking
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Speaker 2 (32:16):
You don't know what you don't know right, but you could.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
I was talking about this with Buck off the air.
We want you to subscribe to our YouTube channel. It
has been growing quite a lot, but I want it
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the neighborhood of seventy five thousand right now. And I
was just kind of scrolling through because my kids are

(32:45):
on YouTube all the time, and my thought is that
if you have kids or grandkids and you hear an
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they're being taught something different in high school, college grandkids.
They are much more likely to respond to something that
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(33:08):
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exposed to other aspects of the algorithm that are also
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Speaker 2 (33:20):
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Speaker 1 (33:22):
Kids get almost all of their news from two places,
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That's it.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
They don't watch television other than sporting events with me.
They are on YouTube and they are on TikTok. And
I bet if you have kids or grandkids that are
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three boys, as you guys know, and they all that's
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their worldview from. And so we need to bump up

(33:53):
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And you can sometimes be pulling video clips waving at
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(34:13):
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Speaker 2 (34:35):
Gonna I don't know what it's gonna show up. It's
a whole different, whole different situation there. That's a very
different world.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Got a hitter bee, gotta hit, gotta hit the bee,
gotta hit the bee. All right, a lot of you
out there wanting to react to a variety of different things.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Let me hit you with this.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
We talked about Biden's doctor taking the Fifth Amendment on
the top of the show, Senator Mike Lee, and maybe
we should offer him an invite to come on and
talk about this. Just eat it in the last five minutes.
Now that doctor O'Connor has invoked his Fifth Amendment rights,
should he be offered immunity to get him to testify?

(35:11):
Really interesting question from Senator Lee.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Interestant question question for you. I don't know this generally,
I go through life knowing more than lawyers about a
lot of legal questions. But that's put that aside. I
don't know this one. So you helped me out because
you actually went to law school. Couldn't How does it
work when you have the It's like, isn't it like
attorney client privilege? A bit with a doctor and a patient?

(35:36):
So you can't compel testimony?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
This is important. Yes, it's a great question. So okay,
So there, I would say there's two pathways here. One, yes,
you cannot have the doctor testify about what his medical
review necessarily showed of Joe Biden, all right, like hippo laws,
he can't say without the patients consent usually, which makes sense.

(36:02):
By the way, now you can maybe say for presidents
there should be a different standard, but I don't think
most of you would want your doctor sitting down in test.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Doctors, lawyers, priests should have true confidential. There's an important
reason for that, and.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That which is also why the law historically has said
you can't be compelled to testify against Okay, but that
is not what I think his most interesting testimony would be.
I'm not asking, and this is important. I'm glad you
asked this question because the key for him is not
his medical diagnosis of Joe Biden.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It is asking him whether people told.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Him and conspired with him to have him say things
publicly that he did not believe.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
We're true. That's different than the medical analysis. This gets
a little bit into the fraud exception for attorney client privilege.
Right If if your lawyer is like a mob lawyer
and he's involved in helping you orchestrate actual criminal activity knowingly,
attorney client privilege is out the window on that all
of a sudden. Right, So, if a doctor is being

(37:14):
asked to testify about criminality around him, that's a different
thing than when you touched his you know, when you
touch your patient's knee with the little hammer thing that it,
you know, did the flick. If somebody sits down and says, hey,
I'm obviously not a doctor. That was the best I
could do. Sorry, Yeah, no, here's a good way to
explain it.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
If if I sit down with the doctor, if I'm
one of Biden's polyt Burrow, if I'm one of his
top advisors, and I sit down with the doctor and
I say, hey, I don't care what this physical examination
shows you're coming out of it and you're telling us
Joe Biden is one hundred percent able to be president, right,

(37:54):
and that is a conspiracy, right, like, because you're not
actually asking him what he is medical diagnosis was as
soon as they tell you, let me take it outside
of the president.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
There have been conflicts in the world of sports because
team doctors are treating players and the coaches are always like, hey,
we want this guy good to go.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
He's hell, this is right. This is in any given
Sunday with one of my favorites, James Woods, when he's
the team doctor for that football team. I've seen that
movie for some reason. Many it's a great it's actually
a great movie. And he actually gives this whole speech.
He's like, these are warriors. I knew that they wanted to.
He does the whole thing. It's a very good role
for mister Woods, who I don't know, maybe even listens
to the show sometimes, maybe I've met James a few times. So,

(38:39):
but yes, same, that's the same principle right, where it's.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
The conflict between what your actual medical diagnosis is and
the reality of what the expectation of your medical diagnosis
should be. So if I like again, if you take
it outside of the world of Biden and politics and
you say, Okay, you are the coach and you've got
a player who's injured, and that player may not be
one hundred percent and it may not even be healthy

(39:03):
for him to be on the field, but if he's
on the field, your team has a better chance of winning.
And if you sit down with the doctor before he
goes in for his consultation and you say, doc, we
know that no matter what you see, that quarterback is
going to be on the field Saturday or Sunday, right
fist pound, he could, theoretically, without having to go into

(39:26):
his actual diagnosis, say there was pressure being put on
me to say Joe Biden was fine, even without me
having to have done my analysis of Biden. By the way,
I think this was true. Here's another example of something
he could testify about. Was he involved in any way
in a debate about whether Joe Biden should have a
cognitive test or not?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Right?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Did he sit around as the politics people without knowing
what the test results might be. Did they sit around
and say, hey, doc, will you lie and say he
passed a cognitive test even if he didn't like we
need to know what you're going to say before we
even do this test. What if he fails, will you lie?
I mean again, I think Senator Mike Lee is asking
a really good question here, which is, hey, is was

(40:13):
there a conspiracy that did not involve directly your medical analysis?
He could theoretically testify to that without having to worry
about hipA related issues. A bunch of you want to
weigh in on a variety of different topics. All right,
so let's see Ty and san Antonio want was whole.

(40:34):
Let's start with Tommy and Clearwater. First, Tommy, what you.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Got, hey? Brother?

Speaker 7 (40:41):
First of all, I want to say thank God for
your guys to show after Rush Limball died. I thought
the AM radio was over for me, but then you
guys came along, So.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Thank you, Thank you for that. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
But I called about your tam BONDI the Epstein files.
You guys seem like you were mad at her, and
I think she's a hero. I think she was the
only one who is willing to get out there and
talk about it, and she obviously got shut down by
people above her.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I appreciate, I appreciate you call her. You can make
that argument I think that's not the good argument to make,
and in fact, Pam Bondy, we should play this audio
because there has been a ton of talk. Pam Bondy,
I think has not been articulate enough about many of
the issues that she is dealing with. She has tended

(41:33):
to I think over promise and underdeliver in some of
her media availabilities.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
I'd also just say no one should have thought like
if Pam had called me, Okay, you know she can
get my number. She knows plenty of people who know me.
Said hey, we're just gonna drop a kind of I
think a good word for is perfunctory, meaning, you know,
just the most sort of basic and and limited stuff.

(42:01):
A perfunctory memo on a Sunday night. That's just like, yeah,
nothing to see, we've done everything, see you later. Of course,
that wasn't going to work. That was not a good idea.
You need to say, hey, guys, announcer from the DJ,
we're gonna have a presser. The Attorney General's going to
address America. She's going to read from a prepared statement.
She's going to know what she's going to say in advance,

(42:23):
you know, maybe be flanked by cash and Bongino, who
are both patriots and warriors, and you know, just like
that's what needed to happen here. So I'm sorry from
an I'm not even talking for don't even get into
the oh, but the conspiracy and the cover I'm just
saying the we can talk about that too. The optics
of how this was handled was just abominable.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
It was not only not only that statement, what about
giving the binders with no actual information in it to
all of those Well that was strike that was strike one,
and maybe Strike one and two.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
That's what I mean. You know, she had time to
learn about what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Okay, But so I want to play this because I
had them pull this. In fact, two things. First, this
is Pambondi. There's lots of talk about, hey, there's thousands
of child porn documents and videos and everything else that
were in the possession of Jeffrey Epstein. Why are there
no charges coming. I'm gonna have to make this clearer

(43:23):
than Pambondy has been able to. That's stuff that Epstein
downloaded from the internet, everything that they have in their
possession in the FBI, in the Department of Justice relating
to Epstein, this is something that I didn't know because
I think they've not addressed this publicly very well. I thought, oh,

(43:43):
this must be Epstein in videos with minors, like engaging
in criminal behavior. Yes, this is just stuff he downloaded
off the internet of child porn, kittie porn. I mean,
it's awful, but it's something that they prosecute all the time.
She said that yesterday it didn't get very much attention.
This was in the cabinet office. This is important. This

(44:05):
is what they actually have. It's kitty porn that was
downloaded by Epstein that he's not in.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Listen to the tens of thousands of video they turned
out to be child porn downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein.
Child porn is what they were never going to be released,
never going to see.

Speaker 4 (44:23):
The light of day.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, she hasn't done a good job. I had a
bunch of conversations. This is important. It's not actually Epstein
in the child porn. It's not other people that he
knows in the child porn. It's just nasty stuff on
the Internet that he was attracted to.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
This is what they have. Okay, And to your point,
they need you very clear this is the evidence that
the FBI has. This is what they've okay, and this
is stuff that would send anybody away for you know,
twenty five to life and okay, all true. That needs
to be more clear. That does not mean, for those
of you who still have questions that the surveillance set

(44:59):
up that we all know Epstein had in these homes
was not used at an earlier time for Epstein recording himself,
which I assume he did. Why else did he do
this and possibly and I believe likely other people as
part of a blackmail operation. This isn't a very important
separation to understand. There's what Bondie and Bongino and cash

(45:23):
and that there's the evidence that they have when they
took over the FBI, they haven't been running the FBI
for twenty years. There's the evidence that they have, and
then there's what we know about Epstein previously and what
we can surmise and believe and analyze he was doing. Additionally,
one does not negate the other. So I can say

(45:46):
these guys are showing us what they have, right, Clay,
but also say I still believe that Epstein that there
were other quote unquote clients, and that there was blackmail
going on. That's not to say that the FBI is
lying to us about it. I don't believe they're lying
about what they have now.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Correct And I think that Pam Bondi has actually not
been articulate enough in explaining these things. And that's why
we're having to talk to you guys with it right now.
I mean, I just played that audio. She didn't even
I don't think in that scenario do a great job
of it. And for those of you out there, this
is why Trump, let's quickly play this, or actually we'll play.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
When we come back.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
So we gotta go it on the break here, let's
get a job. But this is why Trump is saying,
like we got to move on. This guy was an
awful pedophile and there's evidence of that he killed himself.
He's dead. Even if you don't believe he killed himself.
There are no other crimes out there in the FBI
file that are prosecutable. And I would just say this
as we got to break. Do you think Dan Bongino

(46:43):
and Cash Patel wouldn't love to be able to prosecute
somebody They wouldn't love more than anything in their hearts,
desire to have found evidence to allow more people to
be prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
It isn't there.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It just isn't there now point. I think there's a
good chance that's not there because it got destroyed and
when they came into office, it's just there's not anything there.
There's no one to be prosecuted. We'll play Trump and
I'll explain what I think was saying too in a second.

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Speaker 1 (48:15):
Find it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app
or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay
Travis buck Sexton Show. We got a lot of you
who want to weigh in. If you'll update me Greg
on the absolute latest there. But I do want to
play this because a lot of things. Okay, what's the
FBI doing? What is the They're doing a lot of things.

(48:38):
They're moving the headquarters, remember they've been there six months.
They're trying to change the overall culture. But they're also
opening an investigation into James Coney, James Comey, and John Brennan.
And there are potentially criminal charges coming over the twenty
seventeen Russia Russia Russia conspiracy and hoax. This is on

(49:00):
under way. Here is President Trump talking about that earlier
today in a press availability cut thirty three.

Speaker 8 (49:07):
James Comy and John Brennan now under criminal investigation.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Related to the Trump rush of probe.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Do you want to see these two guys behind bars?

Speaker 9 (49:17):
Well, I know nothing about it other than what I
read today, but I will tell you I think they're
very dishonest people. I think they're crooked as hell, and
maybe they have to pay a price for that. I
believe they are truly bad people and dishonest people. So
whatever happens happens.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
And I think this is evidence of trying to clean
out and address the culture there, and there are a
lot of things that have to be cleaned up, and
I think these guys are doing their best, and it's
easy to sit around and I will say this. I
mean again, this is why I think logic oftentimes plays
into this substantial, maybe the most dishonest thing that has

(50:02):
happened in Trump two point zero, leaving aside the judges,
I'm curious if you would sign off on two point zero.
Is the idea that Trump is somehow involved with Epstein, right,
I mean, it's the most ludicrous thing on the planet,
because do you really think democrats wouldn't have put that
around Trump's neck and tried to drown him with it
for the last decade. It doesn't exist, and so I

(50:27):
think that is almost a version of Trump two point
oh the Russia collusion. Russia collusion was a total lie.
I mean, you really lived this buck from the intelligence
analyst perspective, they wandered a garbage steel report, steel dossier,
and they tried to create based on I know this
well because I bought Facebook ads as someone who runs

(50:50):
a media company and was involved in a lot of
the Facebook ad universe. They manufactured a couple one hundred
thousand dollars of crappy ads that were bought on Facebook
by Brussian interest into somehow swinging the outcome of the
twenty sixteen election, and they really sold that to a
lot of morons in the media who ran with that

(51:13):
as the truth. And I think the set the secondary
argument here of somehow Trump is involved with Epstein is
every bit is dishonest as the Russia collusion hoax.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
They they wanted to run with it. That's part one
of it, right. So it's always hard to separate where
where the lib journals are just dumb versus where they're
dishonest because they're both. But you know, well, there is
sort of occasionally one is a dominant theme and the
other one receives a little bit. But Clay on the

(51:46):
I have good news bad news on the Brennan and
Clapper thing. You want me want the good news bad
news on this this is going to be well.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
My concern is immediately when I when I hear this
is just statute of limitations.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
So that so you're already you're already Yeah, it's cool.
You're stealing my thunder a little bit here, That's all right. No,
So on the good news part of it, I think
that you're gonna see revelations of even more just underhanded
bureaucratic skullduggery from the uh, you know, investigation of what

(52:22):
they were doing. Essentially, you're gonna have to be You're
gonna have to be somebody who will embrace feigned stupid,
a level of stupidity that's not plausible. To think that
these guys didn't know what they were doing is wrong.
I think that should come out. I think that will
come out more on the on the wampwomp side of it,
the not so good side of it. I would be

(52:43):
absolutely shocked if criminal charges were brought against Brennan or
Clapper for a combination reasons. Statue limitations, which you already
said on most federal, low, low level federal things is
five years. Low level. You know, there's a lot of
there's a lot of federal crimes which was no statute
of limitations, but for most low level kind of things

(53:04):
like you know, lying under oath kind of stuff, and
you're looking at five years, and so the statute limitations
probably run on a lot of that. And I think
that beyond that, a lot of the these guys they're slippery,
someone like a Komi, a Brennan, a Clapper. They know
this system, they know the game. They know what to

(53:24):
put an email and what not to And I just
don't think. I just don't want you guys to get
to I don't want anyone to get their hopes up
that anyone is going to face real consequences for that
Russia collusion thing. At this point, I said this about
Benghazi and Hillary, and I got so much hate and
it was not hate but anger from people. And I
was right. No one's getting arrested or frog marched out

(53:47):
of their out of their office or their their home
based on Russia collusion stuff. At this point in my mind,
if I'm wrong, I will come on the air and
i will admit it. But I'm just preparing you for Yes,
it's good to get the truth. I'm I'm not saying otherwise.
They're not going to get prosecuted and imprisoned based on
Russia collusion at this point in in my opinion. So

(54:10):
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Let's take some of these calls, a lot of you
stacking up variety of different takes out there.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Tie in San Antonio, what you got for us?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call first time, long time.
So this this Epstein situation, it seems like to me,
and this is my personal opinion, that there's a bit
of insulting of the intelligence here. And I want to
address Pam Bondi's explanation first, and it comes across to
me as low IQ and low energy. If she wants

(54:42):
and I'll just speak for MAGA, right, if she wants
the MAGA nation to believe that all they found was
kitty porn, child porn and Epstein had, you know, was
just viewing this nothing there, then it really doesn't. But
a guy with his sexual devian nature, his connections, his money,
and not to mention, guys, he needed to fly people

(55:04):
to an island to have sex with them. Okay, I'm
a forty two year old bachelor.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I don't need an island, guys.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I got a house with rooms, right, all.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Right, But so let me let me, let me let
me ask you this question.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
If you're right about all that, and I'm not saying
you're wrong, why would the FBI keep all of that
information for years if they were protecting Epstein.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I think there are and I really want to get
to Trump here also, but I think there are names
on this on this connection book that he had that
could that could really really upset the world in an
economic devastating way, potentially you know different things that man

(55:51):
extrapulating it out. Uh, there are big time names on there,
and and and to say, you know, well, he was
picking people up in a private jet, taking them to
this island, wining and dining them, and nothing the farious
criminal or you know, sinister happened.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
There is there's a diffld on.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I appreciate that argument, but there's a difference between I
think something inappropriate, illegal, whatever words you want to put
in indefensible happened and what can be proven. What I'm
saying is, if you are protecting Epstein, let's presume that
your argument is correct. Let's just I'm not saying I
agree with it. I'm just saying what's logically fall.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
It's really not protecting Epstein, to be clear, it's if
the argument that is protecting the people that Epstein's clients
so to speak, you know, his uh, the other individuals
who are involved in the sex crimes. Why wouldn't they
destroy all of that evidence? Well, this is my thing.
I don't believe that that evidence hasn't long since been destroyed.

(56:50):
And that's that's that's my that's my that's my question
for ty. If I'm saying you're right, like all of
these things are true, if you believe that that existed,
why would it still exist.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
When the Trump two point zero team comes in? That's
my that's my argument. I'm not saying that any of
the things you're saying are incorrect. I'm saying you're in
order for this to still be true, what you are
saying is all of the evidence is there of inappropriate, illegal,
impermissible behavior, right, and that the people that are now

(57:26):
there with Trump two point zero see all of it,
reviewed it all, and are now choosing to lie to
you about what is in the possession of the FBI
in the Department of Justice. That to me doesn't add
up destroying evidence.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Go ahead, yeah, Yo.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Much of the evidence that I'm speaking too, I think
is circumstantial, guys, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
With you and right, but that can't necessarily be proven
in a court of law. Tie, right, that's there though.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
No, I'm just I'm just saying to me that, you know,
for for for them to come out and say that
there is nothing to see here, guys, that is that
is it's just beyond my belief.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
They're saying. Oh, hold on, I think specificity, Tie, I
think specific matters. I think, Clay and I agree with
you more than maybe it has come across. I do
not believe that, for example, allegedly Prince Andrew is the
only other guy who got involved with one of the uh,
one of the you know, Epstein traffic women. I do

(58:30):
not believe that. Okay, I don't believe that full stop.
I do not believe that. I also don't believe that
Epstein was not operating a blackmail operation. I do not
believe that, okay, but I don't believe that Bondi, Bongino
Cash have evidence of those things in their possession and

(58:53):
they are suppressing that because of pressure on them. I mean,
I look, I've known Dan for fifteen years. I've known
Cash for certainly since the beginning of TROW, now about
ten years. Those guys would cut off their arm before
they covered for somebody committing the kind of sex crimes.
It just would not happen. It would not happen. So
you know that's I can just speak to you honestly,

(59:14):
time Man de Man, Dan and Cash are not sitting
there going yeah, it would look bad politically, So we're
going to cover for these petos. They they would not
do it. They would put their lives at risk before
they would do it. So I promise you that is
not And people can get mad at me for this,
that is not happening. That doesn't mean that the other

(59:35):
things that I said did not happen previously. We have
to keep these thoughts in our mind. At the same time,
I think there were more people who committed sex crimes,
and I think there was blackmail going on, But the
current FBI and the current dj I do not believe
has in their possession evidence of those crimes.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Then maybe messaging here, you know, maybe maybe the messaging
here and in particular by Pam Bondy was terrible because
you know Trump, you know, Trump actually campaigned on shining
light on this Jeffrey Epstein situation. And you know why
I did it because Magnation, Magnation understands that America suffers

(01:00:16):
from a pedophilia problem, and we suffer from a human
sex trafficking problem. And Jeffrey Epstein was the poster child
for everything that fills us. In terms of that conversation.
Trump ran on that and for him to come out
yesterday and just batted away guys, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Know what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It's it's almost like you've listened to your child for
for thirteen years, tell you the truth reflexively, and one
day they lie to you, and your your your street
smarts just stands up and you know that they're being disingenuous.
Because you have listened to them, you have come to
be able to, you know, basically, predict what they're gonna do.

(01:00:53):
Trump never turns his back on Magnation. He knows better
than that. And yesterday was the first time I've ever
saw him do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It's it's a I think it's a messaging mistake that
has been made. I do not believe that. You know,
people look, Clay, let's just say. People are saying that
they flipped Trump, and I'm like, guys, the guy who
can can I just take a moment here, the guy
who doesn't need this, Who's the billionaire who took a
bullet in the ear and said fight he got flipped

(01:01:22):
on this? No way, no way, It's insane. It's an
insane That doesn't mean again, like I said, I think
there were more sex criminals. I think they've so far
gotten away with it. I think there was a blackmail ring,
but that doesn't mean that that evidence just sat around
for twenty years and the FBI is now sitting on
this trove of the evidence and going, we don't want

(01:01:43):
people to know the truth. That's a different thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I totally agree, and I actually agree with Tye also
in that I think Pam Bondi did not do a
good job with this. I think she created a mess.
I think Trump has seen all the evidence and all
the reports. And this is my honest address of Trump's
comments yesterday. I think he's seen all the evidence. He
knows that Jeffrey Epstein was a bad dude in a pedophile.

(01:02:07):
But we're in the middle of the floods in Texas,
We're in the middle of ice agents trying to get murdered,
and I think he honestly believes that Epstein is old
news and he wants to focus on the things that
he can address. Now, whatever you think about Epstein, the
guy's dead. The guy appears to have been an awful,
disgusting pedophile, and he's dead, and all the lawsuits have

(01:02:32):
played out. Most of his money has been taken away
and paid off to his victims. I don't see Epstein
as someone who has dodged responsibility for his criminal culpability.
There are other people I grew with Buck. I think
that it's highly unlikely that Prince Andrew was the only
super rich, super famous person who was involved with the
women that were being trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
There's also there's the things here you've raised this too.
I mean, some of EPs some of the women that
Epstein was around, and you know, we're of we're of age,
to be very clear, we're nineteen, we're twenty and so
is you know, is that now that's not criminal for
anyone to be engaged unless there's some coercion that they're

(01:03:15):
a part of or that you know, So there's all this,
but that evidence it's been you know, we're talking about
some of this stuff happened fifteen twenty years ago. Yes,
and also I think you would speak to this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
I think there was probably intelligence related asset using some
of this was honeypot stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
And trust me, you're not going to leave that stuff
around for the FBI to find in twenty in twenty nineteen. Look,
I share your frustrations. I went on the Sean Ryan
Show three years two years ago, three years ago now
and went in detail about how outraged I was about
the FBI rate in twenty nineteen in his house, and
people thought what I was saying was so crazy, Clay
couldn't be true. It was true. Yes, So you know,

(01:03:52):
we've been on this beat for a long time. But
let's keep this in perspective. Let's not start the You know,
I do not question Trump, Dan Cash, or Pam's integrity.
I think Pam has made I think the AG has
made some errors in presentation and has misspoken about the way.
This has been presented in a few ways that's not

(01:04:13):
been helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
And even yesterday we didn't get much attention. We got
to go to break But the thousands and tens of thousands,
I thought that that was Epstein video. It's just stuff
that he was downloaded poorn off of the internet. For
people out there who are like, what about these victims, Yeah,
I want them all caught. But it wasn't Epstein's videos.

(01:04:35):
It was him just finding awful child porn stuff on
the internet. We'll close up shop next segment. Good call, Tie.
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