July 11, 2025 • 59 mins
Reflecting on Butler
The one-year anniversary of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Clay and Buck reflect on the near-tragedy’s historical significance, the systemic failures of the Secret Service, and the profound political and psychological impact it could have had on the nation. The conversation explores “what-if” scenarios, including the potential elevation of Ron DeSantis as the GOP nominee and the broader implications for the 2024 election. The hosts emphasize how the event galvanized support for Trump, even influencing high-profile figures like Elon Musk to publicly back him.
Curing the Culture with MAHA
FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary outlines the bold vision behind the “Make America Healthy Again” (MAHA) initiative. This segment is packed with SEO-rich topics including healthcare reform, FDA transparency, COVID-19 vaccine policy, AI in medicine, and the Epstein investigation fallout.
Dr. Makary discusses a transformative approach to U.S. healthcare, emphasizing root-cause research at the NIH, banning harmful food additives, and accelerating drug approvals. He highlights the FDA’s renewed focus on curing chronic diseases like type 1 diabetes, Alzheimer’s, and ALS, and the development of a universal flu vaccine. He also champions AI-driven efficiency in drug review processes and public access to FDA decision letters, aiming to eliminate bureaucratic delays and improve transparency.
The conversation revisits the COVID-19 vaccine debate, with Dr. Makary noting that 85% of healthcare workers declined the latest booster, reinforcing the FDA’s stance on requiring clinical trials for young, healthy individuals before recommending further shots. He stresses a return to gold-standard science and common-sense public health policy.
Bongino vs. Bondi
The ongoing fallout from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, highlighting a breaking Axios report detailing a heated internal clash between FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino and Attorney General Pam Bondi. The dispute centers on the mishandling of Epstein-related files and a controversial video lapse during Epstein’s jail cell suicide. The hosts analyze the bureaucratic infighting, speculate on potential resignations, and underscore the need for transparency and accountability within the Trump administration. Adding to the intrigue, Alan Dershowitz asserts that key Epstein documents are being suppressed to protect powerful individuals—an explosive claim that fuels public skepticism and demands for full disclosure.
FBI-DOJ Mushroom Cloud
FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino threatened to resign amid a major dispute with Attorney General Pam Bondi over the handling of information related to the Epstein case. According to multiple sources, including CNN's Caitlyn Collins, Bongino reportedly told people he was considering resigning, with the ultimatum being "either her or me," forcing President Trump to potentially choose between his FBI Deputy Director and Attorney General.
Clay and Buck analyzed how this controversy has become a "five-alarm fire" for the Trump administration, with CNN reporting that Google searches for Epstein were up 1200% during the week. They suggested that the issue wasn't necessarily disagreement about the evidence in the files, but rather the communication surrounding them, with both hosts speculating that officials likely found little prosecutable evidence beyond what was already known about Epstein himself.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations,
you made it to Friday. You're about to be able
to roll into the weekend and we are going to
have some fun with all of you. Let me give
you a little bit of an idea where we're headed.
Marty McCarey, who is now the head of the FDA,
will be with us at the top of the next hour.
(00:24):
He has obviously been doing a ton of things and
was right on everything COVID, one of the few doctors
who was and I do think that slid a little
bit under the radar given all the other appointments, but
the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to
promoting people who did not favor lockdowns and all of
(00:48):
the COVID related insanity that took over our country about
five years ago. So doctor Martin McCay, a head of
the FDA, will be with us top the next hour.
Top of the third hour, that is the final hour
of the week, we will talk with Nicole Parker, former
FBI agent. She was listening to the show and she
was reacting to a lot of the Epstein revelation. She
(01:08):
was working in South Florida when really I think buck
and we'll talk with this some about her, but she
was texting us. The initial investigation that took place with
Acosta and led to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution
of the charges in South Florida, to me, is probably
(01:31):
the part of the Epstein story that still deserves to
be the most examined. So we will talk with her
about that in the third hour. But I wanted to
open and we'll talk about the ice ray that happened
in California and the discovery of underage children that were
being used to work there, and some of the dark,
(01:51):
seedy underbelly of the illegal immigrant experience. But I wanted
to begin with this because on Sunday will be officially
the one year anniversary of the near assassination of Donald
Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. And they came out with news yesterday.
I believe that six different Secret Service officers had been
(02:14):
disciplined for the failures. I think it's fair to say,
basically all systems failure that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania, almost
one year ago. Today it was a Saturday, for those
of you who remember, and Monday was the first day
of the Republican National Convention. From Milwaukee, and Trump came
within a quarter inch of having his head blown off
(02:37):
on live television. And we talked with Selena Selena Zito,
who's got her book out about Butler Pennsylvania. I've been
reading about that. We talked with her earlier this week.
And the extent to which that is an historic event,
I think it's going to continue to echo and reverberate.
(02:58):
But Trump is talking about that with special interviews that
he is doing, including with his daughter in law, Laura Trump.
And we have a cut from that that we would
like to play for all of you because it is
only by the grace of God if you think about
(03:19):
where we were one year ago today and how different
this country would look if that assassination attempt had been successful.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Here is Trump talking about that with Laura cut.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, it was unforgettable and no exactly what was going on.
I got whack, There's no question about that, and fortunately
got down quickly, and people were screaming, and I got
down quickly, fortunately because I think they shod eight bullets
and one got me, and one got another one, and
one got another one and one killed Corey the firefighter,
(03:51):
great guy. And we had a tremendous, massive crown. Tens
of thousands of people were there, and the hour sniper,
within less than five seconds, was able to get him
from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't
do that, you would have had an even worse situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost. All
of us do in the day to day, twenty four
hour news cycle, and the question is what is this
going to still matter in a day? Is this going
to still matter in two days? A prediction this day
July thirteenth, and what happened on that day in President
(04:29):
Trump's response on that day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think one in the election.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
People forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in twenty sixteen,
he voted for Hillary Clinton, he voted for Joe Biden
in twenty twenty. It wasn't until July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
and I saw one of your tweets about this when
Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said, for
the first time, I'm with Trump and people out there
(04:55):
listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump
in sixteen, some of you voted Trump in twenty some
of you voted Trump in twenty four almost all of
them play almost all of them voted Trump in sixteen,
twenty and twenty four. But yes, I'm not eighty nine
in the primary in sixteen, like people came on the
Trump train talk in general election. Yeah, people came on
(05:16):
the Trump train at different times. Elon Musk was one
of the last joiners of the Trump train, and Jeff Bezos,
Mark Zuckerberg, guys who wo had otherwise been I would
say opposed to Trump quite quite honestly, saw that video,
and I think it changed something I really do. For
American men, I think that way. I know a lot
(05:38):
of women too, But for American men, I think that
was such a badass moment that it fundamentally altered the
trajectory of the nation in a way few events do
well think about. If you were to do a historical
what if and a list of the biggest historical what ifs,
I think it was a long time ago Winston Churchill
did a whole what if This would be right off
(06:00):
your alley clay. Historically speaking, what if General Lee had
won at Gettysburg? Right, what would America and the world
have looked like had the South actually won that war?
Now that's a very big what if in so far
as it would have been a whole battle going in
a different trajectory.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is a historical what if.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What happened in Butler, Pennsylvania That was truly a matter
of you could just say an inch one inch different
in that projectile, and we're living in a different America
right now, one inch different in that five five, six
rounds trajectory, and you would have had I can't, I
can't recall has there ever been and sorry, this is
(06:41):
just something I haven't thought about.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So there might be an obvious answer.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A presidential assassination of a sorry, a presidential assassination in
this country during the campaign. I know there have been
assassinations obviously in McKinley or k.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
R RFK RFK nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But to your point, RFK had not yet become the
Democrat nominee.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It looked like he was going to be the nominee. Well,
so he wasn't actually the nominee necessary Trump?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, right, Trump had the nomination locked up, and again
remember he was going to accept it the next week.
And uh, well, this is what I mean about, because
now you're now you're talking about a historical situation where
God forbid. And as we know, Trump is fine and
it was all he was. Okay, it was a terrible day,
not just for the country politically and psychologically. But you know,
Corey contemporarily pardon me on the last name, I'm not
(07:32):
able to say it, but the guy who got killed
that day, comparatory is that in I think that's right, Yeah, comparatory. Uh,
but you know, he lost his life that day to
that shooter. And you sit here and you say how
different things would have been because you would have had
a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based
(07:52):
on the fact that our candidate would have been stolen
from us by a bullet, you know, and it's even
it's that would have been even more of a psychic shock. Then,
as you said, RFK, okay, that's in a primary. But
was he going to be the candidate or not? Obviously
a terrible situation, a political assassination. And Trump isn't just
wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a is a political movement,
(08:13):
unto himself, was reshaped the Republican Party in the twenty
first century, the most consequential president probably of our lifetime.
You'd certainly have to go back to Reagan, or maybe
you could say Obama's consequential in destroying the country. But
that would have been an enormous change in the world
and certainly in the America that we live in today.
(08:33):
And I remember we're at We're at the RNC. There
was a feeling of surrealism with so we're just gonna
have this RNC now, and yeah, process the fact that
we almost lost our guy, we almost lost our president.
I think they are both short and long term implications
that are difficult to even comprehend. And I think it's
important to go back and think how fortunate we all
(08:54):
are with the way that turned out. A couple of
things here. One, Trump had not picked jd. Vance, So
it's not only just that he would have been killed.
They would have the RNC chair said they would have
canceled the RNC, so it would no one would have
gone to Milwaukee. There would have been a prolonged period
of mourning of some sort. There also would have been
(09:15):
a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody
killed terrifically.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, yeah, there there.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Would have then had to be a new individual selected
as the nominee. And remember there would not have been
a VP selection at that point in time. And honestly,
one reason jd. Vance got picked, I think was because
Trump wanted somebody who was stiff in the spine maga
in the event that somebody else killed him, which doesn't
get talked about very much. Here's the other thing, Buck,
(09:44):
we still know nothing about the assassin.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I know the shooter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know nobody would be assassin. Nobody would have ever
believed and for the next for the rest of everyone
listening's life and for the next two hundred year, much
like with JFK's assassination, people would have said, this wasn't
a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening.
(10:08):
The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the
other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala?
If the Republicans are scrambling to try to find a
new candidate, who is that candidate? I think it would
have been Ron DeSantis. That's my analysis of the Tea leaves.
But it would have been a huge mess, the likes
(10:32):
of which the country would never have recovered from. To
say nothing, Buck, think about this. What about the president
getting his head blown off on live television and the
psychic trauma that that creates for hundreds of millions of
people seeing that happen. You couldn't have had a fair
election afterwards. Correct, There's no such thing as a fair
election when you have somebody like Trump, who is a
(10:55):
former president, who is the leader of his party, and
as I said, is a one man political movement who
has reshaped the landscape politically of this country already against
some other candidate. Like, there's no there's no way that
you would be able to convince Trump voters in the
event that that terrible thing had happened, in the event
(11:16):
that it had been an assassination, that this election is legit.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then what does that do to the country?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How do you go forward when there's a very.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Real sense that a fair election was completely stolen from
the country but through violence, mind you, through through yeah,
the worst kind of of violence politically. So you know,
this is one thing, and I want to give I
think it was Fisher King, who is a Twitter account?
Do you follow Fisher King? I don't even know this
guy is. He's very He's got a very interesting account
(11:49):
on x very. You know a lot of you know,
I'm not endorsing everything he's written ever to saying the
guy writes some good, some smart stuff. And while people
have been very upset recently, and I am understand and
I don't want to get into it right now, and
I do agree that there are a lot of problems
and unanswered questions, and there's whiplash and all this people
have been so upset about. Epstein Kamala could have won
(12:10):
that election, everybody, and then we'd be in a country.
And he pointed this out on X which is what's
making me think of this. We're just talking about in
the context of what if that assassination attempt had been successful,
but just even think about how different the country would
be if just the election result had gone in a
different direction. We're now sitting here and rightly so, pushing
(12:30):
Trump for the best possible decisions and the most transparency
and all.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Of that we can get.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We could have been in a situation where all the
stuff that we've already seen in six months was going
in the other direction, where the border was still wide open, where.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean, just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I mean that's why I woke up this morning.
I saw that interview, and I just was thinking how
profoundly grateful all of us should be. And I hope
you take a moment to just think about it. What
would have happened if that bullet had been one quarter
inch closer to Trump and had killed him on that day.
We're in an incredible place right now, I think. Is
(13:08):
a country doesn't mean everything's perfect, doesn't mean you're gonna
agree with everything that's being done. There's always room for
improvement all of that. But I think a lot of
times in the day to day we don't pause and think, hey,
let's just look back a year. Man, what an incredible
year that has been, and how grateful for those of
us who are out there listening. We all should be
(13:30):
compared to where we could be. I'll just say catastrophism
and negativity. It's always the easy way. It's always the
easy way to get attention, always the easy way to
bring people into your sphere of influence. Everything is falling
apart all everything is terrible. We have challenges, there's some
stuff that needs to be fixed. We're focused on that.
(13:52):
We you know, we want accountability, we want more wins.
We are not tired of winning. But the mood of
the country overall, right, now. And this is where I think, Clay,
we bring it all full circle. The mood of the
country one year from where we were possibly on that
day in Butler should be one of tremendous thanks to
(14:12):
God and tremendous blessings for America that we are receiving.
And I know it's imperfect and it always will be.
And I understand there's a particular amount of frustration right now,
but could have been a lot worse, everybody, And you
know that's not you know, that's not somewhat about ism.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It almost was.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was one inch away from being a very different
country in a much much darker place than we ever
could have imagined. So we are allowed to feel blessed.
And I thought this fourth of July, I think there
was there were a lot of people who truly were
celebrating on Independence Day weekend because the country's in a
good spot right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Overall.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It is I know people can yell at me, it
actually is in a good place right now relative to
what could have been and relative to what the options
were were. We're seeing some really positive developments happen, and
you should take stock of that as well. Otherwise you
just exhaust yourself with the with the constant sense that
nothing changes, it's all. It's all unit party, it all
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
We are joined by doctor Marty McCarey. He is the
Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. Doctor McCarey, we
appreciate you, sir. We remember your truth teller in the
dark days of COVID madness, and now you are at
the FDA and part of the MAHA approach to America
(16:47):
make America healthy again. I saw your op ed in
the Washington Post on getting drugs approved much more quickly
and efficiently. That should be that would be helpful. But
let's just start with this is what is the top
of your agenda for MAHA. How are we going to
make America healthy again? Now that that is your portfolio.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Well, good to be with you guys. You know, we
are changing the entire approach to healthcare in the United
States under Secretary Kennedy. It's not just chemotherapy and insulin
and ozepic. We're now having research on root causes. At
the NIH, we're investing in the food side of the FDA.
(17:27):
People forget that the fn FDA stands for food, not federal,
and so we are focused on healthy food for kids.
We've got tremendous traction with the petroleum based food died ban.
We're going a step further looking at all the chemicals
and the food supply that are banned in other countries.
We are focused on the drug side and device side,
(17:49):
more cures for the American people. We'd love to see
a cure for certain kinds of cancer, stage four cancer,
drugs that melts away cancer. We want to see a
cure for type one diabetes, for Alzheimer's, we want to
see meaningful treatments for als. And we want to see
a universal flu shot so we don't have to play
(18:11):
a guessing game each year. And one of my personal
missions is to make sure that our veterans have a
rapid decision on treatments for PTSD.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I really appreciate you coming on with us and the
fact doctor McCarey, and I always want to go back
and re emphasize this that you were one of the
truth tellers during COVID and I'm curious now, as we
are working through the Maha movement. You have RFK Junior,
and you have you and doctor Bodicharia, and I'm sure
there's many many more people that we don't even know
(18:42):
the names of. Do you feel in many ways like
all of the sleans and arrows that you took and
that many of your colleagues took have been vindicated in
what you said, and feel as if, hey, this is
an opportunity to rectify a lot of the scientific wrongs
on a big picture that came from somebody like doctor
(19:03):
Fauci lecturing everyone and saying, I am the science. Don't
challenge science. It has to feel in some way vindicating
to be in the position that you are in now.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, I think this is a time for us to
demonstrate humility, the same humility we called for. When you
don't know something as a doctor, you just need to
say we don't know or we think this might be
the case. The absolutism that we saw during COVID, which
was not based on science, but it was under the
guise of listening to the experts and don't question us,
(19:37):
it did a lot of damage. I mean, ignoring natural immunity,
putting masks on toddlers for three years, insisting schools stay
shut for a year and a half. Somehow this became
partisan and it's really an ugly chapter. So we are
trying to demonstrate transparency and humility throughout our health agencies
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and as role models, and I think you know, we're
making a lot of progress in that way. We for example,
put out a strong warning on myocarditis with the COVID vaccines.
We're not approving COVID vaccines for healthy children without a
clinical trial first. We're getting back to gold standard science
and we're using common sense.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Doctor mcarey.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
What are some of the ways that we can see
improvements in the drug I mean, this is what you
wrote about in the Washington Post editorial, right getting faster
approval because one thing I know right now from the
look people think Pharma and a lot and and a
lot of people in the right in particular get you
(20:43):
know there they they bristle a little bit, But Farma
does make things like statins which save a lot of lives.
Pharma has incredible drugs that are helping with and create
with with rare types of cancer. We want, we want
there to be breakthroughs. We want there to be cures.
What are ways we can get to those cures faster?
And is artificial intelligence something that you see helping just
(21:08):
go through all the data and get to cures faster
for the diseases that we want to see left in
the past.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Absolutely. And look as a doctor at Johns Hopkins for
most of my career, I saw how drugs would cure
people and people got terrible diagnoses and they would ask,
is there anything promising out there? I think we have
to ask a big question that really hasn't been asked before,
and that is why does it take over ten years
(21:37):
for a new drug to come to market? We have
got to cut the red tape and these unnecessary delays,
all of the bureaucratic processes, and just get back to
our job of making a prompt decision on safety and efficacy.
And you know, if there's a drug where there's no
(21:59):
hope or there's a small population of affected, I believe
in both the spirit and the letter of right to
try that the President has put out there.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
How much of what you deal with is fixable from
a cultural perspective, And let me build on that a
little bit. Make the question a little bit maybe more understandable.
One of the things we worry about. I think if
you're out there and you're a parent, like I am
and like Buck is is so much guidance is constantly shifting.
(22:33):
And if Trump is in office right now, we're very
thankful that you're the FDA commissioner. But let's say that
Kamala Harris, god forbid, had won, or that she wins
in twenty twenty nine, and we get a brand new
team of leadership at many of these agencies. If the
culture underneath is rotten, then it becomes very difficult to fix.
Can you fix the culture of the FDA? How would
(22:55):
you assess based on your time there so far the
culture actually is.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I think it is a culture that can be influenced.
You know. I spend essentially every day on campus at
the FDA. It's a beautiful campus. I meet with the
reviewers and the scientists and the inspectors and the folks
that are working on childhood team vaping reduction, and all
of the people. You know, the FDA regulates twenty percent
(23:22):
of the US economy. I'm on the ground, and I
think when you're insulated as a leader, you can become
a villain. But when you're on the ground and people
see that, Hey, I'm a cancer surgeon from Johns Hopkins,
and I've got scientific credentials. I've published over three hundred
scientific peer review studies. All of a sudden, now you're
(23:43):
a scientific colleague and you're not some you know, caricature.
And so I've been on the ground. The culture at
the FDA is strong and getting stronger. The trains are
running on time, and so the FDA is going to
continue to be strong.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What are some of the air areas where you're hoping
we could see major breakthroughs. I mean broadly speaking, right,
not not asking about any particular thing that's you know,
in trials or but you know, people are hearing about
Chrisper technology. Obviously I brought up AI, and I do
know there's some people, doctor McCarey, in the biotechnology space
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who think that we could be on the precipice of
a Goalden age of discoveries that will just help you know,
you said that you're changing the approach to healthcare overall. Right,
that's part of the mission. Where are some of the
likely discoveries in the near future, I mean over the
next four years, do you think that we could see
some pretty amazing things happen that either extend lives, save lives,
(24:43):
improve lives thanks to technology and research that's going on
right now.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I do.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I do, and let me tell you why, Clay, because
we're going to try to do everything possible during my
time at the FDA to cut the unnecessary delays, the
waiting around, the idle time, the time that drug developers
and inventors say where they're just doing guest work because
they can't talk to anyone at the FDA to find
(25:10):
out what they want in the application. We just announced
yesterday that all of our decision letters are going to
be public information, so companies are not going to have
to do guestwork to figure out how the FDA thinks
or what they want in an application. We're increasing communications
so a company can call us and ask a question
(25:31):
instead of doing guest work for a year. And we
have now a powerful AI tool that we just launched
across the FDA all of the centers where reviewers have
incredible computational power now to organize applications and to summarize
these giant, gnarly one hundred thousand page applications. We're getting
(25:54):
away from paper. We're doing a lot to cut the waste.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
What should people know, doctor McCay, and he's the head
of the FDA, came on the show for years before
he was the head of the FDA. What is the
absolute latest on the COVID shot. I know there's been
I think you came on right after the decision was
made not to recommend it necessarily for young people that
(26:18):
is very young. Where are we now? I don't even
know what booster people are on. But for people out
there who have kids, I know there's a lot of
concern about the number of shots that they're getting, a
lot of examination of what is necessary what is not.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
What would you say parents should know about that?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Well, eighty five percent of healthcare workers said no to
the last COVID booster last fall. And I should tell
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Travis buck Sexton show Breaking News from Axios. And I'm
gonna lay this out Buck and I will tell you
what we think and analyze this. And I'm going to
read from some of this report. And this has to
do with the fallout of the Epstein investigation. And the
headline is FBI's Dan Bongino clashes with ag Bondi overhandling
(29:56):
of Epstein files. And I'm gonna read the opening paragraph.
FBI Director Deputy Director Dan Bongino took a day off
from work Friday after clashing at the White House with
Attorney General Pambondi over the handling of the Epstein files.
Four sources familiar with the conflict told Axios Bongino didn't
(30:18):
come back to work Friday, leading some insiders to believe
he'd quit, but administration officials say he's still on the job,
even as the internal tension over the Epstein case continues.
At the center of the argument basically is how has
the communication of the Epstein investigation and this is now
me talking, not the Axio story, how has the communication
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surrounding the Epstein case investigation been handled internally, both from
the Attorney General Pambondi in her office and from the FBI.
And Buck, you tell me if you would agree. And again,
I'm trying to lay out the parameters and then we'll
get into the analysis the FBI.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm speaking generally.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
The FBI office feels that Attorney General Pam Bondi has
been incredibly sloppy in the public commentary that she has
made about the investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. They feel that
she has over promised and under delivered in terms of
what the actual evidence that the FBI has shows. Meanwhile,
(31:25):
now it appears to me Attorney General Pam Bondi is
pushing back. She is blaming the FBI and Bongino for
the release of the video inside of the gel where
the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein occurred. There was a one
minute lapse in the video based on the way it
was recorded, and she is blaming or the Attorney General's office.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Again we're talking.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Broadly, is blaming the FBI for the way that that
came out, and they're saying, actually, it's your miscommunication which
has created this larger issue. So basically you have two
different groups arguing about who's to blame for the fallout
surrounding the Epstein investigation communication so far as it's been publicly,
(32:12):
Is that a good Is that a good analysis?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
From your perspective?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You sign on, I think so, and I know that
this is this is a far more serious issue, but
it does in terms of the personnel on the spot,
on the hot seat situation, it does remind me a
little bit of Trump in the boardroom of The Apprentice,
where people are saying, you know, he did this or
she did that, and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
This is the this is the moment where I think
accountability may be coming to a very high level Trump appointee,
and so people are going to lay it out there.
And some of that may be a little bit I
wouldn't go so far as to say dishonest, but people
are going to certainly give their version of things if
(32:56):
they want to stay in the role. So this is
this is turning into a little bit of a bureaucratic
knighte fight. That's really what's happening here. Uh, And it's
it's understandable. I think that tempers are are pretty high
on this one, considering the amount of public attention on
this issue. And look, people have been I was laughing.
I was talking to from this but I'm not laughing,
(33:16):
but I mean it's having a kind of a chuckle
about it. People have been a little bit mad at me,
a little bit mad at you this week, some of them,
to which I just.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Keep saying, what am I? What do you want me
to do? I'm not I'm not in charge.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Like Trump talked to me about running the CIA, he
didn't ask me to run at this time. Maybe that
was a mistake, buddy, Like I'm not in charge. I
don't accept that we've gotten all the answers about Epstein.
I saw this Dirshowitz clip that's floating around where he's
saying that he's bound by confidentiality, that he knows there's
more stuff. I don't think Professor dirsh is lying, Okay,
(33:50):
I think he's I think he's a guy who knows
what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And is so you know, I sit here and I
just want to what what am I?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I think that there's problems with how this was handled,
and yeah, I think there's more that we could know
that we should know. I don't have the files, like
I can't you know neither do you?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So getting mad at us? I don't know why people
are getting mad at us. I don't worry.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
What do you want me to do? Reading? So here's
me reading the tea leaves. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I think that Trump might, I stress, might have a
situation where he has to decide who am I going
to go with my FBI or my attorney general and
there may be a they leave or we leave kind
of my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated
(34:38):
because people are really angry about them taking the blame
for something that they feel like they didn't. Well up,
Let's just say this, Dan, Who we know? Dan Bongino.
I've known Dan. I'm trying to even remember. He's one
of these guys I've known so long that I can't
remember the first time I met him, but it was.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeh, at least over a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean, I've known Dan certainly since twenty third teen
or something like that probably, and when he first when
he first filled in for Hannity on radio, and I
mean I was filling in for Rush around that time,
So that's how we knew each other. He has been
calling for accountability on this issue and has put a
lot out there and a lot on the line for this.
And I know his character. I know his temperament. He's
(35:19):
a fighter, and no one's going to push him into
a corner and make him do something or say something
that's against his ethics or morals on this, right. So
that's so people say, how do you know Bongino's not
flipped or something. That's how I know, because I know
the God, I know how we offer. I don't know
cash as well. I don't I've never even spoken to
ag Bondi, to be fair, and we haven't had her
(35:40):
on the show. I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever.
So I'm laying this out just to be this is
like full disclosure, right, Yep. You know there are people
whose character I think I know at some level. And
I've had long talks with Dan in the past about
all kinds of things, right, So I know Dan a bit.
I know you do too, ag BONDI I don't know
it all, and so I have nothing personally for or
against her other than you know, people like her in
(36:02):
Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick. There have been
clear mistakes made here, Okay, clear mistakes, and I'm just
talking on the messaging side. We can go even beyond
the messaging side too, if you think there's still cover
up going on, which is now you get into. Well, okay,
let's can I play the dirst clip. Let's just play
(36:23):
someone let me before we play a whole Let's just
say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally
to rip Bongino and say negative things about him, because
he did.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We are on competing here.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
He has a big show, he's on daytime, he's a
big host. Of course, we're not going to play that
game because I the guy is. I'm just being honest
with you all. I believe one hundred percent that Dan
Bongino is a patriot. He gave up a seat talking
daily like we do to go because he wanted to
help make America great and he wanted to work for
(36:59):
Donald Trump. So I one of one of my one
of my hesitations even having spoken to the President, and
the President Trump spoke about this in front of Clay
and the team, so they know when we were talking
about maybe me going to work with him and An
and the d and I, you know, Calsey knows that
this was all up. Look, if called to serve, the
President asked you go do it. But I will say
(37:19):
that I'm not somebody who would want to get into
this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight. And I know
that this stuff happens, and this is just the nature
of DC unfortunately, and Dan, even having the role he did,
making the money he was making, said I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's right. So I respect that. I respect that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And and look, I mean from our perspective, I can't
say we're going to get everything right. But part of
what you do in life is you assess the trustworthiness
of people. And I would say I would stand behind
Dan on on on him being an honest person, which
is what people got mad about me saying earlier like
this guy's not going to cover up child porn crimes.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
And so look, there is now a knife fight, to
use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible
for messaging errors which have created a cluster and I
think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration,
potentially including Trump himself, like he's going to Texas right
now to go visit the flood victims and everything else there.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I separate out.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I mean, there's a difference between what you say when
you are somebody on the outside working in media about
issues like I don't have access. You don't have access.
We have not seen classified we have not you know,
I haven't in over a decade now. We don't have
access to the government's internal But once you're in that
(38:46):
position of power to have the access, you have to
be a little more cautious about what you say. I
bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash
were saying about this when they were private citizens and
had been for a while at least certainly the I mean,
Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan had
been out for a long time. That's different than Okay,
now I see this stuff, and I have an obligation
(39:08):
to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the
power of my office to it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
AG BONDI.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
While AG has said some things that while Attorney General
that were not as squared away or as tightly as
I think clearly over promised and underdelivered. And all of
you out there that heard those quotes, and maybe we
need to pull them again and play them just to
be full context. All of you who heard those quotes
are rightly saying, wait a minute, she told us X,
(39:39):
and now she's telling us why those don't add up?
And I think that's a fair analysis of the commentary.
And even if you give the most charitable, favorable version
of events for the Attorney general here, that you could
messaging mistakes or mistakes too. Right, even if even if
she had said things that you know she's not, she's
(40:00):
not trying to hide the hide the football, so to speak,
or anything, there's still the way that public views it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I do. I think this is important that the Deshwitz
play it quote, play it, Let's play this.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
This is Alan Dershowitz on whether there's more information that
has been held back play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I have seen Remember I was accused falsely, and they
have seen it, and ultimately I was completely cleared. The
woman admitted that she may have mistook me for somebody
else and withdrew all of her lawsuits and so from
day one, from the.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Day I was accused.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I said, I want every document out because I knew
every document would prove I was innocent. So let me
tell you. I know for a fact documents are being suppressed,
and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the
names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed.
I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality
from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
What I know.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
But I hand to god, I know I know the
names of people whose files are being suppressed in order
to protect them. And that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That is a huge, huge, mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody
if and I don't, I don't know what we also,
I don't know Alan Dershowitz personally, but we've had him
on the show a bunch. I can't imagine that he
as an attorney. Again, speaking in the larger context now,
(41:16):
it is very convenient to say, hey, I know a lot,
but I'm bound by confidentiality, so I can't tell you
he is an attorney though, right, it's not like he's
just it's not like he's scorn on a decoder ring
or something. That's what I'm saying he doesn't look if
I know he's like eighty now, But Alan Dershowitz, for
much of the last twenty years, if you had told me, hey,
you're going to face serious criminal charges, who do you
(41:38):
want to rep you?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean Trump had Dershowitz repping him, I wouldn't. I mean,
even at eighty or whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Well, here's here's what I would say, defense attorney, Here's
what I would say as we try. Why would he lie?
I think motivations are one of the most important ways
to evaluate anyone's actions, criminally non criminally. You know what's
the motivation here? Why would he lie about that right now?
Because he just needs more attend He's already very famous,
(42:05):
and he's got more money he's gonna spend like well
at this stage. So I don't believe he's lying, It's
my point. So then what does that mean? Where does
that leave us?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
And again I think this is why this mushroom cloud
is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out
and says this, when Axios is reporting, Hey, the FBI
and the Attorney General's offices are not happy with each other,
and they're having yelling matches over communication. I mean, it's
a mess. And ultimately, you know who's going to have
(42:35):
to make the decision on how to clean him with
the mess, President Trump, because it's going to end up
on his desk and he's going to be, to your
point a Prentice style looking at this and saying, Okay,
which side of the equation of the ledger?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Am I waging? Pay you?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
If you were the president all right and I was, well,
I guess now we're getting away from the mafia constantly everything.
If you were the president and I was your chief
of staff on this one, and you were like, what
has to happen? I feel like somebody's got to go?
I would I would say somebody's got to go. This
is there needs to be accountability already at this stage,
just for the bait and switch that has occurred here.
(43:09):
I would also say, release every frickin thing, And just
if I were if I were revising Trump politically not legally,
because those are two different things. Release every aspect of
evidence that you have. Throw it all out there. Let
everybody look at it and say this is it, Like
you know, what's the full kimono? Like everything's out there.
(43:32):
You get to look at it, you analyze it.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
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Speaker 2 (44:40):
Turn into a dark I started so well.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I was like, hey, it's two year anniversary almost of
Trump nearly getting killed. Let's just all be grateful for
how amazing we try it is that we're all here.
And then mushroom cloud surrounding the FBI DJ and the
Epstein mess and are we do we have like a
moment of positivity for people that are watching on video? Yes, Well,
(45:06):
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have signed up, you go to YouTube dot com slash
at Clayandbuck, you'll see things like here we go. But
so you'd have to be a YouTube watcher to see this. Whoops,
make sure I got a good grip. We're just bringing
in a baby. So it's been a tough show. There's
lots of infighting, there's lots of mess going on, and
(45:28):
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Speaker 2 (45:28):
Was like, oh, that is an amazingly cute little baby. Here.
How old is James now? James James Speed is three
months old today.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Actually, so this is the if you're like, wait a minute,
you're just shifting stories. This is what babies are for.
They helped to make people happier. So we have just
brought in a three month old baby. By the way,
you will see this if you go subscribe at Clay
and Buck. A thousand of you yesterday went and did
this after Buck promised that you would get to see
(46:00):
his firstborn. Right there is a super cute, awesome little
baby boy. So is our relative the former attorney general.
Look at that under Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
So there you go. That is awesome.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So there you will see this on YouTube if you
probably will put it up at Clayanbuck dot com. As
we roll into the weekend, I think we just needed
we just needed a moment with a baby positivity. Bring
a baby, Okay, So on Trump. Trump is in Texas
dealing with the flood aftermath of the disaster which started
(46:38):
off this week. Maybe because this is a Friday, the
fact that everywhere is the report. Now, we started it
off about an hour and a half ago, I would
say we were probably ahead of the curve and letting
you know that this was potentially going to be an issue.
And if you just getting in your car, you're just
starting off your day, you haven't been paying attention to
the news reports that Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino has said,
(47:03):
it's basically either me or Attorney General Pambondi over the
fallout surrounding the Epstein investigation. There's a belief that on
the side of the FBI that Attorney General Pambondy has
over promised and under delivered. And do we have the audio?
(47:24):
Did Greg pull the audio for us yet? Of these
clips that have gone megaviral of Pambondy saying basically, hey,
these files are on my desk and trying to walk
back what she has said. We know that they had
the binder surrounding everything that was that was put out there. Okay,
let me just play this. This is a flashback first
(47:46):
cut thirty three. Here, this is February twenty first, twenty
twenty five. Pambondy says, the Epstein client list is sitting
on my desk right now. This was on Fox News
America's newsroom, John Roberts asking the questions. She's tried to
say she didn't mean the actual list, but this is
(48:07):
what they talk about when they say over promise, under
deliver cut thirty three. Doj maybe releasing the list of
Jeffery Epstein's clients.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well, that really happen.
Speaker 9 (48:17):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm reviewing that.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the
process of being reviewed because that was done at the
directive of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
So so have you seen anything there? You said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Okay, good follow up to be fair by John Roberts.
And again, the client list and the Epstein the list
and all these things. List is a very interesting phrase, right,
because what is the list consist of? Is it people
who flew on the airplane, which can be legal? Right,
A lot of people can have legally flown on the airplane,
(49:00):
which I read did six hundred trips a year or something.
I mean, this was a jet that he had that
flew everywhere. Was it client list? Meaning he invested with people,
many of whom may have known nothing about his private life.
So that's a mess. But it implicated and certainly implied
that there was going to be a release and that
(49:21):
there would be some consequences for people who might have
engaged in crimes. Alongside of Epstein. That was cut one.
That's February twenty first. She then said on our friend
Sean Hannity Show, this was in March, that the Epstein
client list was sitting on her desk and that it
was a truckload, a truckload of documents.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
This is cut thirty four.
Speaker 9 (49:42):
Listen, you're looking at these documents, going, these aren't all
the Epstein files. You know, there were flight logs, there
were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's the
rest of the stuff. And that's what the FBI had
turned over to us. And so a source said, oh,
all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of
New York. Based on that, I gave them the deadline
Friday at eight, a truckload of evidence arrive. It's now
(50:06):
in the possession of the FBI. Cash is going to
get me and himself really a detailed report as to
why all these documents and evidence had been withheld, and
you know, we're going to go through it, go through
it as fast as we can, but go through it
very cautiously to protect all the victims of Eppstein, because
there are a lot of victims.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Okay, truckload of documents evidence sitting on my desk. And
then to your point, Buck, suddenly on Sunday they come
out and say, hey, yeah, there's no real prosecutable evidence
here and let's just move on. And a lot of
people have said, record scratch moment, what are you talking about.
We heard what you said in February. We heard what
you said in March. I'm talking about Attorney General Pam BONDI.
(50:48):
How in the world can you now tell us truckloads
of documents stuff sitting on your desk. Oh, there's nothing here.
It's a mess.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
She over promised and has under delivered, and that is
a huge issue.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, we would say under any other circumstance that the
public's faith and trust in the Attorney General and more
broadly in the Department of Justice is important. It's not
just about making the right decision, it's about the perception
that the right decisions are being made and that and
can be trusted. Right, So there's what you do, and
(51:20):
there's also how the people feel about what's going on.
And uh, you know, the fact that all you have
to know is the fact that we've got as many
people as riled up as they are right now, And
I'm not disparaging it because I understand the frustration, and
I understand the sense of hiding the football or the
political whiplash, because it's there, it's real, and this has happened.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
This.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
I could not believe the Sunday memo when I read it,
and I mean, you can all see it's public record.
My first response was because they said there's no blackmail.
I'm like, I fundamentally do not believe that there was
no blackmail going on. I do not believe that I
think that he blackmailed people. Like by the way, there's
a difference between we don't have the evidence to prove something,
which I think this is so important. I think that
(52:04):
they walked into a mess here. I think there might
have been evidence in the past. You just heard Nicole
Parker talking about this the first prosecution. You and I
were talking about this off air. You know what, guy
is sleeping with underage kids, right, and you give him
thirteen months home confinement the first I'm talking about the
(52:25):
first punishment, which was twenty eighteen or whatever the heck
it was.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
How does that happen? You got people you know this.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
But like when I practice criminal law, I knew a
guy in the US Virgin Islands who slept with a
girl that pretended she was eighteen and she was like
seventeen or something. He was twenty two. He went to prison.
She lies, she had a fake ID. Everybody's like, what
bartender meets her like they sleep together. She lied about
(52:55):
who she was.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
She lied. He went to prison.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
One one interaction, and you're telling me this guy in
Florida is sleeping with lots of girls under the age
of eighteen, under the age of consent.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
So some of them are some of them were hold on.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Some of them were also, like because I saw the
documentary about this and like thirteen or fourteen as well.
I mean, really age of consent is eighteen in Florida,
so well under the age of consent. And he got
home confinement. That is a record scratch moment. Now that
happened all the way back in eighteen right, and it
was not am I correcting that it was two thousand,
(53:32):
Maybe it was.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Even earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I want to make sure I get the year right
of the initial prosecution. Then he was re arrested after
he had already served the home confinement penalty. Well, he
was rearrested because the Miami Herald actually did an investigation
and it became more public what was going on. And
then I think they looked into it and realized, not
only did he get off with a shockingly light approach
(53:58):
the first time, he kept doing stuff. Yeah, that's right
doing it so sorry my apology question. There was a
massive failure of justice of the DOJ system here, by
the way, I want to correct the year. So the
second arrest, he was arrested a second time, and I
know Nicole ran through this, but in twenty nineteen, in
two thousand and five, they started the investigation. So, I mean,
(54:22):
who was president two thousand and freaking five, George W. Bush, Right,
I mean we're talking about something twenty years ago that
was initially investigated. He pled guilty, Sorry, I said, twenty eighteen,
two thousand and eight to Florida State Court and just
got thirteen months as a basically home confinement work release
(54:44):
that was going on. I mean, that's nothing. And then
he got rearrested in the middle of the me too.
After people went back and looked and said, what in
the world, how did this guy get such favorable treatment.
So again, the first investigation the one that happened twenty
years ago. How does that happen? How does a guy
dead to rights get off on that level of lenient treatment.
(55:07):
That's a question that I think goes to the essence now.
But the problem I think buck is by the time
these guys get into office, Bondi, Bongino Cash, I don't
think there's very much there. I think they're telling the
truth because if this were this is not an argument
over hey, one person wants to arrest eight people and
(55:28):
the other person is saying no. It's just an argument
about the communication. That has made this a bigger mushroom
cloud than it would have been if they had come
out and just said what I said to you, Hey,
we don't think there's much here, and I'm sorry, and
I don't know what happened and they screwed this up
and we just walked into this mess. I think people
would have been more likely to accept it. Then Wow,
(55:49):
here you go. This is cut thirty five the CNN
data analyst. You know, maybe the left is going to
realize this is actually a big deal on the right
and they're going to start trying to create more divisions here.
That's something to be aware of But CNN's data guy
looking at what.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
This has done to Google searches this week. This is
cut thirty five play.
Speaker 7 (56:07):
What a massive unforced error by the Trump administration. Donald
Trump would love this story to go away, but in
fact interest is climbing hire and hire to quote Jackie Wilson,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Google searches for Epstein.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
Up twelve hundred percent this week versus last and get this.
It is currently the top the top topic search with
Trump on Google, alongside his presidency. So Donald Trump normally,
you know, leans in, leans in the stories in which
there's controversy, like Taris for example. This is a story
in which he's trying to get away from basically saying
(56:45):
why is anyone still.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Interested in this story?
Speaker 7 (56:47):
But the bottom line is people are very interested in
this story to historic degrees.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
I mean, there you go, that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
People are interested in it to historic agrees. And again,
I think to your point, they're not going to get
people mad at Trump because he is out there and
he is arresting people. You know, they're trying to say, oh,
Ice is too powerful. We voted for this. I think
a lot of people said I voted for Jeffrey X
Epstein's victims to be prosecuted. And so this mess I
(57:22):
think is actually more destructive inside of the Trump his
co conspirator, his co conspirators to be prosecuted, to get
justice for the victims. Yes, but inside of the Trump
voting base, this is actually a mess for Trump.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Ice raids and.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Tax cuts and things like that, by and large are
not If I had told you two months ago that
the Trump administration's B two bomber strikes on Iranian nuclear
facilities would be a two day story and the DOJ's
handling Epstein files would be a five alarm fire at
least online in the New Side for an entire week,
(58:01):
we just said that's not possible.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I agree. Here we are here. I wouldn't believed it here.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
You want a positive, buck as I get ready to
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Cheep up with the biggest political comeback in world history.
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Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations,
you made it to Friday. You're about to be able
to roll into the weekend and we are going to
have some fun with all of you. Let me give
you a little bit of an idea where we're headed.
Marty McCarey, who is now the head of the FDA,
will be with us at the top of the next hour.
(00:24):
He has obviously been doing a ton of things and
was right on everything COVID, one of the few doctors
who was and I do think that slid a little
bit under the radar given all the other appointments, but
the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to
promoting people who did not favor lockdowns and all of
(00:48):
the COVID related insanity that took over our country about
five years ago. So doctor Martin McCay, a head of
the FDA, will be with us top the next hour.
Top of the third hour, that is the final hour
of the week, we will talk with Nicole Parker, former
FBI agent. She was listening to the show and she
was reacting to a lot of the Epstein revelation. She
(01:08):
was working in South Florida when really I think buck
and we'll talk with this some about her, but she
was texting us. The initial investigation that took place with
Acosta and led to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution
of the charges in South Florida, to me, is probably
(01:31):
the part of the Epstein story that still deserves to
be the most examined. So we will talk with her
about that in the third hour. But I wanted to
open and we'll talk about the ice ray that happened
in California and the discovery of underage children that were
being used to work there, and some of the dark,
(01:51):
seedy underbelly of the illegal immigrant experience. But I wanted
to begin with this because on Sunday will be officially
the one year anniversary of the near assassination of Donald
Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. And they came out with news yesterday.
I believe that six different Secret Service officers had been
(02:14):
disciplined for the failures. I think it's fair to say,
basically all systems failure that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania, almost
one year ago. Today it was a Saturday, for those
of you who remember, and Monday was the first day
of the Republican National Convention. From Milwaukee, and Trump came
within a quarter inch of having his head blown off
(02:37):
on live television. And we talked with Selena Selena Zito,
who's got her book out about Butler Pennsylvania. I've been
reading about that. We talked with her earlier this week.
And the extent to which that is an historic event,
I think it's going to continue to echo and reverberate.
(02:58):
But Trump is talking about that with special interviews that
he is doing, including with his daughter in law, Laura Trump.
And we have a cut from that that we would
like to play for all of you because it is
only by the grace of God if you think about
(03:19):
where we were one year ago today and how different
this country would look if that assassination attempt had been successful.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Here is Trump talking about that with Laura cut.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well, it was unforgettable and no exactly what was going on.
I got whack, There's no question about that, and fortunately
got down quickly, and people were screaming, and I got
down quickly, fortunately because I think they shod eight bullets
and one got me, and one got another one, and
one got another one and one killed Corey the firefighter,
(03:51):
great guy. And we had a tremendous, massive crown. Tens
of thousands of people were there, and the hour sniper,
within less than five seconds, was able to get him
from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't
do that, you would have had an even worse situation.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost. All
of us do in the day to day, twenty four
hour news cycle, and the question is what is this
going to still matter in a day? Is this going
to still matter in two days? A prediction this day
July thirteenth, and what happened on that day in President
(04:29):
Trump's response on that day.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think one in the election.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
People forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in twenty sixteen,
he voted for Hillary Clinton, he voted for Joe Biden
in twenty twenty. It wasn't until July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
and I saw one of your tweets about this when
Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said, for
the first time, I'm with Trump and people out there
(04:55):
listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump
in sixteen, some of you voted Trump in twenty some
of you voted Trump in twenty four almost all of
them play almost all of them voted Trump in sixteen,
twenty and twenty four. But yes, I'm not eighty nine
in the primary in sixteen, like people came on the
Trump train talk in general election. Yeah, people came on
(05:16):
the Trump train at different times. Elon Musk was one
of the last joiners of the Trump train, and Jeff Bezos,
Mark Zuckerberg, guys who wo had otherwise been I would
say opposed to Trump quite quite honestly, saw that video,
and I think it changed something I really do. For
American men, I think that way. I know a lot
(05:38):
of women too, But for American men, I think that
was such a badass moment that it fundamentally altered the
trajectory of the nation in a way few events do
well think about. If you were to do a historical
what if and a list of the biggest historical what ifs,
I think it was a long time ago Winston Churchill
did a whole what if This would be right off
(06:00):
your alley clay. Historically speaking, what if General Lee had
won at Gettysburg? Right, what would America and the world
have looked like had the South actually won that war?
Now that's a very big what if in so far
as it would have been a whole battle going in
a different trajectory.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
This is a historical what if.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
What happened in Butler, Pennsylvania That was truly a matter
of you could just say an inch one inch different
in that projectile, and we're living in a different America
right now, one inch different in that five five, six
rounds trajectory, and you would have had I can't, I
can't recall has there ever been and sorry, this is
(06:41):
just something I haven't thought about.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So there might be an obvious answer.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
A presidential assassination of a sorry, a presidential assassination in
this country during the campaign. I know there have been
assassinations obviously in McKinley or k.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
R RFK RFK nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
But to your point, RFK had not yet become the
Democrat nominee.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It looked like he was going to be the nominee. Well,
so he wasn't actually the nominee necessary Trump?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, right, Trump had the nomination locked up, and again
remember he was going to accept it the next week.
And uh, well, this is what I mean about, because
now you're now you're talking about a historical situation where
God forbid. And as we know, Trump is fine and
it was all he was. Okay, it was a terrible day,
not just for the country politically and psychologically. But you know,
Corey contemporarily pardon me on the last name, I'm not
(07:32):
able to say it, but the guy who got killed
that day, comparatory is that in I think that's right, Yeah, comparatory. Uh,
but you know, he lost his life that day to
that shooter. And you sit here and you say how
different things would have been because you would have had
a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based
(07:52):
on the fact that our candidate would have been stolen
from us by a bullet, you know, and it's even
it's that would have been even more of a psychic shock. Then,
as you said, RFK, okay, that's in a primary. But
was he going to be the candidate or not? Obviously
a terrible situation, a political assassination. And Trump isn't just
wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a is a political movement,
(08:13):
unto himself, was reshaped the Republican Party in the twenty
first century, the most consequential president probably of our lifetime.
You'd certainly have to go back to Reagan, or maybe
you could say Obama's consequential in destroying the country. But
that would have been an enormous change in the world
and certainly in the America that we live in today.
(08:33):
And I remember we're at We're at the RNC. There
was a feeling of surrealism with so we're just gonna
have this RNC now, and yeah, process the fact that
we almost lost our guy, we almost lost our president.
I think they are both short and long term implications
that are difficult to even comprehend. And I think it's
important to go back and think how fortunate we all
(08:54):
are with the way that turned out. A couple of
things here. One, Trump had not picked jd. Vance, So
it's not only just that he would have been killed.
They would have the RNC chair said they would have
canceled the RNC, so it would no one would have
gone to Milwaukee. There would have been a prolonged period
of mourning of some sort. There also would have been
(09:15):
a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody
killed terrifically.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, yeah, there there.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Would have then had to be a new individual selected
as the nominee. And remember there would not have been
a VP selection at that point in time. And honestly,
one reason jd. Vance got picked, I think was because
Trump wanted somebody who was stiff in the spine maga
in the event that somebody else killed him, which doesn't
get talked about very much. Here's the other thing, Buck,
(09:44):
we still know nothing about the assassin.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I know the shooter.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I know nobody would be assassin. Nobody would have ever
believed and for the next for the rest of everyone
listening's life and for the next two hundred year, much
like with JFK's assassination, people would have said, this wasn't
a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening.
(10:08):
The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the
other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala?
If the Republicans are scrambling to try to find a
new candidate, who is that candidate? I think it would
have been Ron DeSantis. That's my analysis of the Tea leaves.
But it would have been a huge mess, the likes
(10:32):
of which the country would never have recovered from. To
say nothing, Buck, think about this. What about the president
getting his head blown off on live television and the
psychic trauma that that creates for hundreds of millions of
people seeing that happen. You couldn't have had a fair
election afterwards. Correct, There's no such thing as a fair
election when you have somebody like Trump, who is a
(10:55):
former president, who is the leader of his party, and
as I said, is a one man political movement who
has reshaped the landscape politically of this country already against
some other candidate. Like, there's no there's no way that
you would be able to convince Trump voters in the
event that that terrible thing had happened, in the event
(11:16):
that it had been an assassination, that this election is legit.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
And then what does that do to the country?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
How do you go forward when there's a very.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Real sense that a fair election was completely stolen from
the country but through violence, mind you, through through yeah,
the worst kind of of violence politically. So you know,
this is one thing, and I want to give I
think it was Fisher King, who is a Twitter account?
Do you follow Fisher King? I don't even know this
guy is. He's very He's got a very interesting account
(11:49):
on x very. You know a lot of you know,
I'm not endorsing everything he's written ever to saying the
guy writes some good, some smart stuff. And while people
have been very upset recently, and I am understand and
I don't want to get into it right now, and
I do agree that there are a lot of problems
and unanswered questions, and there's whiplash and all this people
have been so upset about. Epstein Kamala could have won
(12:10):
that election, everybody, and then we'd be in a country.
And he pointed this out on X which is what's
making me think of this. We're just talking about in
the context of what if that assassination attempt had been successful,
but just even think about how different the country would
be if just the election result had gone in a
different direction. We're now sitting here and rightly so, pushing
(12:30):
Trump for the best possible decisions and the most transparency
and all.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Of that we can get.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
We could have been in a situation where all the
stuff that we've already seen in six months was going
in the other direction, where the border was still wide open, where.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I mean, just go down the list.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, I mean that's why I woke up this morning.
I saw that interview, and I just was thinking how
profoundly grateful all of us should be. And I hope
you take a moment to just think about it. What
would have happened if that bullet had been one quarter
inch closer to Trump and had killed him on that day.
We're in an incredible place right now, I think. Is
(13:08):
a country doesn't mean everything's perfect, doesn't mean you're gonna
agree with everything that's being done. There's always room for
improvement all of that. But I think a lot of
times in the day to day we don't pause and think, hey,
let's just look back a year. Man, what an incredible
year that has been, and how grateful for those of
us who are out there listening. We all should be
(13:30):
compared to where we could be. I'll just say catastrophism
and negativity. It's always the easy way. It's always the
easy way to get attention, always the easy way to
bring people into your sphere of influence. Everything is falling
apart all everything is terrible. We have challenges, there's some
stuff that needs to be fixed. We're focused on that.
(13:52):
We you know, we want accountability, we want more wins.
We are not tired of winning. But the mood of
the country overall, right, now. And this is where I think, Clay,
we bring it all full circle. The mood of the
country one year from where we were possibly on that
day in Butler should be one of tremendous thanks to
(14:12):
God and tremendous blessings for America that we are receiving.
And I know it's imperfect and it always will be.
And I understand there's a particular amount of frustration right now,
but could have been a lot worse, everybody, And you
know that's not you know, that's not somewhat about ism.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It almost was.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It was one inch away from being a very different
country in a much much darker place than we ever
could have imagined. So we are allowed to feel blessed.
And I thought this fourth of July, I think there
was there were a lot of people who truly were
celebrating on Independence Day weekend because the country's in a
good spot right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Overall.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It is I know people can yell at me, it
actually is in a good place right now relative to
what could have been and relative to what the options
were were. We're seeing some really positive developments happen, and
you should take stock of that as well. Otherwise you
just exhaust yourself with the with the constant sense that
nothing changes, it's all. It's all unit party, it all
(15:10):
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
We are joined by doctor Marty McCarey. He is the
Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration. Doctor McCarey, we
appreciate you, sir. We remember your truth teller in the
dark days of COVID madness, and now you are at
the FDA and part of the MAHA approach to America
(16:47):
make America healthy again. I saw your op ed in
the Washington Post on getting drugs approved much more quickly
and efficiently. That should be that would be helpful. But
let's just start with this is what is the top
of your agenda for MAHA. How are we going to
make America healthy again? Now that that is your portfolio.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Well, good to be with you guys. You know, we
are changing the entire approach to healthcare in the United
States under Secretary Kennedy. It's not just chemotherapy and insulin
and ozepic. We're now having research on root causes. At
the NIH, we're investing in the food side of the FDA.
(17:27):
People forget that the fn FDA stands for food, not federal,
and so we are focused on healthy food for kids.
We've got tremendous traction with the petroleum based food died ban.
We're going a step further looking at all the chemicals
and the food supply that are banned in other countries.
We are focused on the drug side and device side,
(17:49):
more cures for the American people. We'd love to see
a cure for certain kinds of cancer, stage four cancer,
drugs that melts away cancer. We want to see a
cure for type one diabetes, for Alzheimer's, we want to
see meaningful treatments for als. And we want to see
a universal flu shot so we don't have to play
(18:11):
a guessing game each year. And one of my personal
missions is to make sure that our veterans have a
rapid decision on treatments for PTSD.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I really appreciate you coming on with us and the
fact doctor McCarey, and I always want to go back
and re emphasize this that you were one of the
truth tellers during COVID and I'm curious now, as we
are working through the Maha movement. You have RFK Junior,
and you have you and doctor Bodicharia, and I'm sure
there's many many more people that we don't even know
(18:42):
the names of. Do you feel in many ways like
all of the sleans and arrows that you took and
that many of your colleagues took have been vindicated in
what you said, and feel as if, hey, this is
an opportunity to rectify a lot of the scientific wrongs
on a big picture that came from somebody like doctor
(19:03):
Fauci lecturing everyone and saying, I am the science. Don't
challenge science. It has to feel in some way vindicating
to be in the position that you are in now.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Well, I think this is a time for us to
demonstrate humility, the same humility we called for. When you
don't know something as a doctor, you just need to
say we don't know or we think this might be
the case. The absolutism that we saw during COVID, which
was not based on science, but it was under the
guise of listening to the experts and don't question us,
(19:37):
it did a lot of damage. I mean, ignoring natural immunity,
putting masks on toddlers for three years, insisting schools stay
shut for a year and a half. Somehow this became
partisan and it's really an ugly chapter. So we are
trying to demonstrate transparency and humility throughout our health agencies
(19:59):
and as role models, and I think you know, we're
making a lot of progress in that way. We for example,
put out a strong warning on myocarditis with the COVID vaccines.
We're not approving COVID vaccines for healthy children without a
clinical trial first. We're getting back to gold standard science
and we're using common sense.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Doctor mcarey.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
What are some of the ways that we can see
improvements in the drug I mean, this is what you
wrote about in the Washington Post editorial, right getting faster
approval because one thing I know right now from the
look people think Pharma and a lot and and a
lot of people in the right in particular get you
(20:43):
know there they they bristle a little bit, But Farma
does make things like statins which save a lot of lives.
Pharma has incredible drugs that are helping with and create
with with rare types of cancer. We want, we want
there to be breakthroughs. We want there to be cures.
What are ways we can get to those cures faster?
And is artificial intelligence something that you see helping just
(21:08):
go through all the data and get to cures faster
for the diseases that we want to see left in
the past.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Absolutely. And look as a doctor at Johns Hopkins for
most of my career, I saw how drugs would cure
people and people got terrible diagnoses and they would ask,
is there anything promising out there? I think we have
to ask a big question that really hasn't been asked before,
and that is why does it take over ten years
(21:37):
for a new drug to come to market? We have
got to cut the red tape and these unnecessary delays,
all of the bureaucratic processes, and just get back to
our job of making a prompt decision on safety and efficacy.
And you know, if there's a drug where there's no
(21:59):
hope or there's a small population of affected, I believe
in both the spirit and the letter of right to
try that the President has put out there.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
How much of what you deal with is fixable from
a cultural perspective, And let me build on that a
little bit. Make the question a little bit maybe more understandable.
One of the things we worry about. I think if
you're out there and you're a parent, like I am
and like Buck is is so much guidance is constantly shifting.
(22:33):
And if Trump is in office right now, we're very
thankful that you're the FDA commissioner. But let's say that
Kamala Harris, god forbid, had won, or that she wins
in twenty twenty nine, and we get a brand new
team of leadership at many of these agencies. If the
culture underneath is rotten, then it becomes very difficult to fix.
Can you fix the culture of the FDA? How would
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you assess based on your time there so far the
culture actually is.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
I think it is a culture that can be influenced.
You know. I spend essentially every day on campus at
the FDA. It's a beautiful campus. I meet with the
reviewers and the scientists and the inspectors and the folks
that are working on childhood team vaping reduction, and all
of the people. You know, the FDA regulates twenty percent
(23:22):
of the US economy. I'm on the ground, and I
think when you're insulated as a leader, you can become
a villain. But when you're on the ground and people
see that, Hey, I'm a cancer surgeon from Johns Hopkins,
and I've got scientific credentials. I've published over three hundred
scientific peer review studies. All of a sudden, now you're
(23:43):
a scientific colleague and you're not some you know, caricature.
And so I've been on the ground. The culture at
the FDA is strong and getting stronger. The trains are
running on time, and so the FDA is going to
continue to be strong.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
What are some of the air areas where you're hoping
we could see major breakthroughs. I mean broadly speaking, right,
not not asking about any particular thing that's you know,
in trials or but you know, people are hearing about
Chrisper technology. Obviously I brought up AI, and I do
know there's some people, doctor McCarey, in the biotechnology space
(24:20):
who think that we could be on the precipice of
a Goalden age of discoveries that will just help you know,
you said that you're changing the approach to healthcare overall. Right,
that's part of the mission. Where are some of the
likely discoveries in the near future, I mean over the
next four years, do you think that we could see
some pretty amazing things happen that either extend lives, save lives,
(24:43):
improve lives thanks to technology and research that's going on
right now.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
I do.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I do, and let me tell you why, Clay, because
we're going to try to do everything possible during my
time at the FDA to cut the unnecessary delays, the
waiting around, the idle time, the time that drug developers
and inventors say where they're just doing guest work because
they can't talk to anyone at the FDA to find
(25:10):
out what they want in the application. We just announced
yesterday that all of our decision letters are going to
be public information, so companies are not going to have
to do guestwork to figure out how the FDA thinks
or what they want in an application. We're increasing communications
so a company can call us and ask a question
(25:31):
instead of doing guest work for a year. And we
have now a powerful AI tool that we just launched
across the FDA all of the centers where reviewers have
incredible computational power now to organize applications and to summarize
these giant, gnarly one hundred thousand page applications. We're getting
(25:54):
away from paper. We're doing a lot to cut the waste.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
What should people know, doctor McCay, and he's the head
of the FDA, came on the show for years before
he was the head of the FDA. What is the
absolute latest on the COVID shot. I know there's been
I think you came on right after the decision was
made not to recommend it necessarily for young people that
(26:18):
is very young. Where are we now? I don't even
know what booster people are on. But for people out
there who have kids, I know there's a lot of
concern about the number of shots that they're getting, a
lot of examination of what is necessary what is not.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
What would you say parents should know about that?
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Well, eighty five percent of healthcare workers said no to
the last COVID booster last fall. And I should tell
you something. You know, maybe there's a high risk group
where it makes sense. We're gonna tell folks to talk
to their doctor. The government is not your doctor. But
are we going to just blindly rubber stamp COVID boosters
(26:56):
for young, healthy teenagers every year in perpetuity that a
ten year old girl today is going to get sixty
more COVID shots once every year for the rest of
our lifetime. No, we're not going to do that without
some clinical trials supporting that theory. So we're getting back
to gold standard science and I think people appreciate it.
(27:17):
We've outlined our whole framework for COVID vaccines in the
New England Journal of Medicine, and we're being very transparent
about it. It's not we're not doing deals with companies.
We're being very public and transparent about everything. And I
think if we can do this everything well, if we
can cut the red tape, be transparent, show humility, we
can see cures for type one diabetes and neurodegenerative disorders,
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and we can get to a universal flu shot, for example,
which is something in the works in early development, so
we don't have to guess every year what the strain
is going to be.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Dodger McCarey, we appreciate the time and we appreciate all
the work that you're doing. Have a fantastic weekend and
we'll have you on again soon. Don't hesitate to reach
out anytime. We can help get the message out that
you think is important.
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Great, good to be with you. Guys, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
For sure, he's fantastic. I'm excited that he's in the
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Travis buck Sexton show Breaking News from Axios. And I'm
gonna lay this out Buck and I will tell you
what we think and analyze this. And I'm going to
read from some of this report. And this has to
do with the fallout of the Epstein investigation. And the
headline is FBI's Dan Bongino clashes with ag Bondi overhandling
(29:56):
of Epstein files. And I'm gonna read the opening paragraph.
FBI Director Deputy Director Dan Bongino took a day off
from work Friday after clashing at the White House with
Attorney General Pambondi over the handling of the Epstein files.
Four sources familiar with the conflict told Axios Bongino didn't
(30:18):
come back to work Friday, leading some insiders to believe
he'd quit, but administration officials say he's still on the job,
even as the internal tension over the Epstein case continues.
At the center of the argument basically is how has
the communication of the Epstein investigation and this is now
me talking, not the Axio story, how has the communication
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surrounding the Epstein case investigation been handled internally, both from
the Attorney General Pambondi in her office and from the FBI.
And Buck, you tell me if you would agree. And again,
I'm trying to lay out the parameters and then we'll
get into the analysis the FBI.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm speaking generally.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
The FBI office feels that Attorney General Pam Bondi has
been incredibly sloppy in the public commentary that she has
made about the investigation surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. They feel that
she has over promised and under delivered in terms of
what the actual evidence that the FBI has shows. Meanwhile,
(31:25):
now it appears to me Attorney General Pam Bondi is
pushing back. She is blaming the FBI and Bongino for
the release of the video inside of the gel where
the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein occurred. There was a one
minute lapse in the video based on the way it
was recorded, and she is blaming or the Attorney General's office.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Again we're talking.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Broadly, is blaming the FBI for the way that that
came out, and they're saying, actually, it's your miscommunication which
has created this larger issue. So basically you have two
different groups arguing about who's to blame for the fallout
surrounding the Epstein investigation communication so far as it's been publicly,
(32:12):
Is that a good Is that a good analysis?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
From your perspective?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You sign on, I think so, and I know that
this is this is a far more serious issue, but
it does in terms of the personnel on the spot,
on the hot seat situation, it does remind me a
little bit of Trump in the boardroom of The Apprentice,
where people are saying, you know, he did this or
she did that, and you know, I.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
This is the this is the moment where I think
accountability may be coming to a very high level Trump appointee,
and so people are going to lay it out there.
And some of that may be a little bit I
wouldn't go so far as to say dishonest, but people
are going to certainly give their version of things if
(32:56):
they want to stay in the role. So this is
this is turning into a little bit of a bureaucratic
knighte fight. That's really what's happening here. Uh, And it's
it's understandable. I think that tempers are are pretty high
on this one, considering the amount of public attention on
this issue. And look, people have been I was laughing.
I was talking to from this but I'm not laughing,
(33:16):
but I mean it's having a kind of a chuckle
about it. People have been a little bit mad at me,
a little bit mad at you this week, some of them,
to which I just.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Keep saying, what am I? What do you want me
to do? I'm not I'm not in charge.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Like Trump talked to me about running the CIA, he
didn't ask me to run at this time. Maybe that
was a mistake, buddy, Like I'm not in charge. I
don't accept that we've gotten all the answers about Epstein.
I saw this Dirshowitz clip that's floating around where he's
saying that he's bound by confidentiality, that he knows there's
more stuff. I don't think Professor dirsh is lying, Okay,
(33:50):
I think he's I think he's a guy who knows
what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
And is so you know, I sit here and I
just want to what what am I?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, I think that there's problems with how this was handled,
and yeah, I think there's more that we could know
that we should know. I don't have the files, like
I can't you know neither do you?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So getting mad at us? I don't know why people
are getting mad at us. I don't worry.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
What do you want me to do? Reading? So here's
me reading the tea leaves. Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I think that Trump might, I stress, might have a
situation where he has to decide who am I going
to go with my FBI or my attorney general and
there may be a they leave or we leave kind
of my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated
(34:38):
because people are really angry about them taking the blame
for something that they feel like they didn't. Well up,
Let's just say this, Dan, Who we know? Dan Bongino.
I've known Dan. I'm trying to even remember. He's one
of these guys I've known so long that I can't
remember the first time I met him, but it was.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeh, at least over a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean, I've known Dan certainly since twenty third teen
or something like that probably, and when he first when
he first filled in for Hannity on radio, and I
mean I was filling in for Rush around that time,
So that's how we knew each other. He has been
calling for accountability on this issue and has put a
lot out there and a lot on the line for this.
And I know his character. I know his temperament. He's
(35:19):
a fighter, and no one's going to push him into
a corner and make him do something or say something
that's against his ethics or morals on this, right. So
that's so people say, how do you know Bongino's not
flipped or something. That's how I know, because I know
the God, I know how we offer. I don't know
cash as well. I don't I've never even spoken to
ag Bondi, to be fair, and we haven't had her
(35:40):
on the show. I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever.
So I'm laying this out just to be this is
like full disclosure, right, Yep. You know there are people
whose character I think I know at some level. And
I've had long talks with Dan in the past about
all kinds of things, right, So I know Dan a bit.
I know you do too, ag BONDI I don't know
it all, and so I have nothing personally for or
against her other than you know, people like her in
(36:02):
Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick. There have been
clear mistakes made here, Okay, clear mistakes, and I'm just
talking on the messaging side. We can go even beyond
the messaging side too, if you think there's still cover
up going on, which is now you get into. Well, okay,
let's can I play the dirst clip. Let's just play
(36:23):
someone let me before we play a whole Let's just
say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally
to rip Bongino and say negative things about him, because
he did.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
We are on competing here.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
He has a big show, he's on daytime, he's a
big host. Of course, we're not going to play that
game because I the guy is. I'm just being honest
with you all. I believe one hundred percent that Dan
Bongino is a patriot. He gave up a seat talking
daily like we do to go because he wanted to
help make America great and he wanted to work for
(36:59):
Donald Trump. So I one of one of my one
of my hesitations even having spoken to the President, and
the President Trump spoke about this in front of Clay
and the team, so they know when we were talking
about maybe me going to work with him and An
and the d and I, you know, Calsey knows that
this was all up. Look, if called to serve, the
President asked you go do it. But I will say
(37:19):
that I'm not somebody who would want to get into
this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight. And I know
that this stuff happens, and this is just the nature
of DC unfortunately, and Dan, even having the role he did,
making the money he was making, said I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's right. So I respect that. I respect that.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
And and look, I mean from our perspective, I can't
say we're going to get everything right. But part of
what you do in life is you assess the trustworthiness
of people. And I would say I would stand behind
Dan on on on him being an honest person, which
is what people got mad about me saying earlier like
this guy's not going to cover up child porn crimes.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
He's just not.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
And so look, there is now a knife fight, to
use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible
for messaging errors which have created a cluster and I
think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration,
potentially including Trump himself, like he's going to Texas right
now to go visit the flood victims and everything else there.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
I separate out.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I mean, there's a difference between what you say when
you are somebody on the outside working in media about
issues like I don't have access. You don't have access.
We have not seen classified we have not you know,
I haven't in over a decade now. We don't have
access to the government's internal But once you're in that
(38:46):
position of power to have the access, you have to
be a little more cautious about what you say. I
bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash
were saying about this when they were private citizens and
had been for a while at least certainly the I mean,
Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan had
been out for a long time. That's different than Okay,
now I see this stuff, and I have an obligation
(39:08):
to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the
power of my office to it.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
AG BONDI.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
While AG has said some things that while Attorney General
that were not as squared away or as tightly as
I think clearly over promised and underdelivered. And all of
you out there that heard those quotes, and maybe we
need to pull them again and play them just to
be full context. All of you who heard those quotes
are rightly saying, wait a minute, she told us X,
(39:39):
and now she's telling us why those don't add up?
And I think that's a fair analysis of the commentary.
And even if you give the most charitable, favorable version
of events for the Attorney general here, that you could
messaging mistakes or mistakes too. Right, even if even if
she had said things that you know she's not, she's
(40:00):
not trying to hide the hide the football, so to speak,
or anything, there's still the way that public views it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I do. I think this is important that the Deshwitz
play it quote, play it, Let's play this.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
This is Alan Dershowitz on whether there's more information that
has been held back play eighteen.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I have seen Remember I was accused falsely, and they
have seen it, and ultimately I was completely cleared. The
woman admitted that she may have mistook me for somebody
else and withdrew all of her lawsuits and so from
day one, from the.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Day I was accused.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
I said, I want every document out because I knew
every document would prove I was innocent. So let me
tell you. I know for a fact documents are being suppressed,
and they're being suppressed to protect individuals. I know the
names of the individuals. I know why they're being suppressed.
I know who's suppressing them. But I'm bound by confidentiality
from a judge and cases, and I can't disclose.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
What I know.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
But I hand to god, I know I know the
names of people whose files are being suppressed in order
to protect them. And that's wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
That is a huge, huge, mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody
if and I don't, I don't know what we also,
I don't know Alan Dershowitz personally, but we've had him
on the show a bunch. I can't imagine that he
as an attorney. Again, speaking in the larger context now,
(41:16):
it is very convenient to say, hey, I know a lot,
but I'm bound by confidentiality, so I can't tell you
he is an attorney though, right, it's not like he's
just it's not like he's scorn on a decoder ring
or something. That's what I'm saying he doesn't look if
I know he's like eighty now, But Alan Dershowitz, for
much of the last twenty years, if you had told me, hey,
you're going to face serious criminal charges, who do you
(41:38):
want to rep you?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I mean Trump had Dershowitz repping him, I wouldn't. I mean,
even at eighty or whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Well, here's here's what I would say, defense attorney, Here's
what I would say as we try. Why would he lie?
I think motivations are one of the most important ways
to evaluate anyone's actions, criminally non criminally. You know what's
the motivation here? Why would he lie about that right now?
Because he just needs more attend He's already very famous,
(42:05):
and he's got more money he's gonna spend like well
at this stage. So I don't believe he's lying, It's
my point. So then what does that mean? Where does
that leave us?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I it's a mess.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
And again I think this is why this mushroom cloud
is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out
and says this, when Axios is reporting, Hey, the FBI
and the Attorney General's offices are not happy with each other,
and they're having yelling matches over communication. I mean, it's
a mess. And ultimately, you know who's going to have
(42:35):
to make the decision on how to clean him with
the mess, President Trump, because it's going to end up
on his desk and he's going to be, to your
point a Prentice style looking at this and saying, Okay,
which side of the equation of the ledger?
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Am I waging? Pay you?
Speaker 1 (42:49):
If you were the president all right and I was, well,
I guess now we're getting away from the mafia constantly everything.
If you were the president and I was your chief
of staff on this one, and you were like, what
has to happen? I feel like somebody's got to go?
I would I would say somebody's got to go. This
is there needs to be accountability already at this stage,
just for the bait and switch that has occurred here.
(43:09):
I would also say, release every frickin thing, And just
if I were if I were revising Trump politically not legally,
because those are two different things. Release every aspect of
evidence that you have. Throw it all out there. Let
everybody look at it and say this is it, Like
you know, what's the full kimono? Like everything's out there.
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You get to look at it, you analyze it.
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Turn into a dark I started so well.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
I was like, hey, it's two year anniversary almost of
Trump nearly getting killed. Let's just all be grateful for
how amazing we try it is that we're all here.
And then mushroom cloud surrounding the FBI DJ and the
Epstein mess and are we do we have like a
moment of positivity for people that are watching on video? Yes, Well,
(45:06):
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Was like, oh, that is an amazingly cute little baby. Here.
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Actually, so this is the if you're like, wait a minute,
you're just shifting stories. This is what babies are for.
They helped to make people happier. So we have just
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this after Buck promised that you would get to see
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baby boy. So is our relative the former attorney general.
Look at that under Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
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So there you will see this on YouTube if you
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we roll into the weekend, I think we just needed
we just needed a moment with a baby positivity. Bring
a baby, Okay, So on Trump. Trump is in Texas
dealing with the flood aftermath of the disaster which started
(46:38):
off this week. Maybe because this is a Friday, the
fact that everywhere is the report. Now, we started it
off about an hour and a half ago, I would
say we were probably ahead of the curve and letting
you know that this was potentially going to be an issue.
And if you just getting in your car, you're just
starting off your day, you haven't been paying attention to
the news reports that Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino has said,
(47:03):
it's basically either me or Attorney General Pambondi over the
fallout surrounding the Epstein investigation. There's a belief that on
the side of the FBI that Attorney General Pambondy has
over promised and under delivered. And do we have the audio?
(47:24):
Did Greg pull the audio for us yet? Of these
clips that have gone megaviral of Pambondy saying basically, hey,
these files are on my desk and trying to walk
back what she has said. We know that they had
the binder surrounding everything that was that was put out there. Okay,
let me just play this. This is a flashback first
(47:46):
cut thirty three. Here, this is February twenty first, twenty
twenty five. Pambondy says, the Epstein client list is sitting
on my desk right now. This was on Fox News
America's newsroom, John Roberts asking the questions. She's tried to
say she didn't mean the actual list, but this is
(48:07):
what they talk about when they say over promise, under
deliver cut thirty three. Doj maybe releasing the list of
Jeffery Epstein's clients.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well, that really happen.
Speaker 9 (48:17):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm reviewing that.
Speaker 9 (48:24):
I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the
process of being reviewed because that was done at the
directive of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
So so have you seen anything there? You said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Okay, good follow up to be fair by John Roberts.
And again, the client list and the Epstein the list
and all these things. List is a very interesting phrase, right,
because what is the list consist of? Is it people
who flew on the airplane, which can be legal? Right,
A lot of people can have legally flown on the airplane,
(49:00):
which I read did six hundred trips a year or something.
I mean, this was a jet that he had that
flew everywhere. Was it client list? Meaning he invested with people,
many of whom may have known nothing about his private life.
So that's a mess. But it implicated and certainly implied
that there was going to be a release and that
(49:21):
there would be some consequences for people who might have
engaged in crimes. Alongside of Epstein. That was cut one.
That's February twenty first. She then said on our friend
Sean Hannity Show, this was in March, that the Epstein
client list was sitting on her desk and that it
was a truckload, a truckload of documents.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
This is cut thirty four.
Speaker 9 (49:42):
Listen, you're looking at these documents, going, these aren't all
the Epstein files. You know, there were flight logs, there
were names and victims' names, and we're going, where's the
rest of the stuff. And that's what the FBI had
turned over to us. And so a source said, oh,
all this evidence is sitting in the Southern District of
New York. Based on that, I gave them the deadline
Friday at eight, a truckload of evidence arrive. It's now
(50:06):
in the possession of the FBI. Cash is going to
get me and himself really a detailed report as to
why all these documents and evidence had been withheld, and
you know, we're going to go through it, go through
it as fast as we can, but go through it
very cautiously to protect all the victims of Eppstein, because
there are a lot of victims.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Okay, truckload of documents evidence sitting on my desk. And
then to your point, Buck, suddenly on Sunday they come
out and say, hey, yeah, there's no real prosecutable evidence
here and let's just move on. And a lot of
people have said, record scratch moment, what are you talking about.
We heard what you said in February. We heard what
you said in March. I'm talking about Attorney General Pam BONDI.
(50:48):
How in the world can you now tell us truckloads
of documents stuff sitting on your desk. Oh, there's nothing here.
It's a mess.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
She over promised and has under delivered, and that is
a huge issue.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, we would say under any other circumstance that the
public's faith and trust in the Attorney General and more
broadly in the Department of Justice is important. It's not
just about making the right decision, it's about the perception
that the right decisions are being made and that and
can be trusted. Right, So there's what you do, and
(51:20):
there's also how the people feel about what's going on.
And uh, you know, the fact that all you have
to know is the fact that we've got as many
people as riled up as they are right now, And
I'm not disparaging it because I understand the frustration, and
I understand the sense of hiding the football or the
political whiplash, because it's there, it's real, and this has happened.
Speaker 5 (51:42):
This.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
I could not believe the Sunday memo when I read it,
and I mean, you can all see it's public record.
My first response was because they said there's no blackmail.
I'm like, I fundamentally do not believe that there was
no blackmail going on. I do not believe that I
think that he blackmailed people. Like by the way, there's
a difference between we don't have the evidence to prove something,
which I think this is so important. I think that
(52:04):
they walked into a mess here. I think there might
have been evidence in the past. You just heard Nicole
Parker talking about this the first prosecution. You and I
were talking about this off air. You know what, guy
is sleeping with underage kids, right, and you give him
thirteen months home confinement the first I'm talking about the
(52:25):
first punishment, which was twenty eighteen or whatever the heck
it was.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
How does that happen? You got people you know this.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
But like when I practice criminal law, I knew a
guy in the US Virgin Islands who slept with a
girl that pretended she was eighteen and she was like
seventeen or something. He was twenty two. He went to prison.
She lies, she had a fake ID. Everybody's like, what
bartender meets her like they sleep together. She lied about
(52:55):
who she was.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
She lied. He went to prison.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
One one interaction, and you're telling me this guy in
Florida is sleeping with lots of girls under the age
of eighteen, under the age of consent.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
So some of them are some of them were hold on.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Some of them were also, like because I saw the
documentary about this and like thirteen or fourteen as well.
I mean, really age of consent is eighteen in Florida,
so well under the age of consent. And he got
home confinement. That is a record scratch moment. Now that
happened all the way back in eighteen right, and it
was not am I correcting that it was two thousand,
(53:32):
Maybe it was.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Even earlier than that.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
I want to make sure I get the year right
of the initial prosecution. Then he was re arrested after
he had already served the home confinement penalty. Well, he
was rearrested because the Miami Herald actually did an investigation
and it became more public what was going on. And
then I think they looked into it and realized, not
only did he get off with a shockingly light approach
(53:58):
the first time, he kept doing stuff. Yeah, that's right
doing it so sorry my apology question. There was a
massive failure of justice of the DOJ system here, by
the way, I want to correct the year. So the
second arrest, he was arrested a second time, and I
know Nicole ran through this, but in twenty nineteen, in
two thousand and five, they started the investigation. So, I mean,
(54:22):
who was president two thousand and freaking five, George W. Bush, Right,
I mean we're talking about something twenty years ago that
was initially investigated. He pled guilty, Sorry, I said, twenty eighteen,
two thousand and eight to Florida State Court and just
got thirteen months as a basically home confinement work release
(54:44):
that was going on. I mean, that's nothing. And then
he got rearrested in the middle of the me too.
After people went back and looked and said, what in
the world, how did this guy get such favorable treatment.
So again, the first investigation the one that happened twenty
years ago. How does that happen? How does a guy
dead to rights get off on that level of lenient treatment.
(55:07):
That's a question that I think goes to the essence now.
But the problem I think buck is by the time
these guys get into office, Bondi, Bongino Cash, I don't
think there's very much there. I think they're telling the
truth because if this were this is not an argument
over hey, one person wants to arrest eight people and
(55:28):
the other person is saying no. It's just an argument
about the communication. That has made this a bigger mushroom
cloud than it would have been if they had come
out and just said what I said to you, Hey,
we don't think there's much here, and I'm sorry, and
I don't know what happened and they screwed this up
and we just walked into this mess. I think people
would have been more likely to accept it. Then Wow,
(55:49):
here you go. This is cut thirty five the CNN
data analyst. You know, maybe the left is going to
realize this is actually a big deal on the right
and they're going to start trying to create more divisions here.
That's something to be aware of But CNN's data guy
looking at what.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
This has done to Google searches this week. This is
cut thirty five play.
Speaker 7 (56:07):
What a massive unforced error by the Trump administration. Donald
Trump would love this story to go away, but in
fact interest is climbing hire and hire to quote Jackie Wilson,
look at this.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Google searches for Epstein.
Speaker 7 (56:22):
Up twelve hundred percent this week versus last and get this.
It is currently the top the top topic search with
Trump on Google, alongside his presidency. So Donald Trump normally,
you know, leans in, leans in the stories in which
there's controversy, like Taris for example. This is a story
in which he's trying to get away from basically saying
(56:45):
why is anyone still.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Interested in this story?
Speaker 7 (56:47):
But the bottom line is people are very interested in
this story to historic degrees.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
I mean, there you go, that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
People are interested in it to historic agrees. And again,
I think to your point, they're not going to get
people mad at Trump because he is out there and
he is arresting people. You know, they're trying to say, oh,
Ice is too powerful. We voted for this. I think
a lot of people said I voted for Jeffrey X
Epstein's victims to be prosecuted. And so this mess I
(57:22):
think is actually more destructive inside of the Trump his
co conspirator, his co conspirators to be prosecuted, to get
justice for the victims. Yes, but inside of the Trump
voting base, this is actually a mess for Trump.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Ice raids and.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Tax cuts and things like that, by and large are
not If I had told you two months ago that
the Trump administration's B two bomber strikes on Iranian nuclear
facilities would be a two day story and the DOJ's
handling Epstein files would be a five alarm fire at
least online in the New Side for an entire week,
(58:01):
we just said that's not possible.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I agree. Here we are here. I wouldn't believed it here.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
You want a positive, buck as I get ready to
read this, let me give you a positive. Well, you
know what, I'm going to save the positive. I want
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