Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 14 2025 - The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of The Clay Travis
and Bucks Sexton Show. Much to discuss from over the weekend.
Mister Clay, I hope you are tanned, ready and rested.
Well here are you? No, you're not in Florida, your Nashville,
so I don't know. You can probably still be in
Atlanta this afternoon for the All Star Game festivities. We'll

(00:22):
have some fun talking about that. But I was here
all weekend hanging out with the boys, just having a
good time. About you, yeah, ay Man, Just catch it
up on some of the things going on on the
interwebs right now, some pretty intense conversations that are happening
involving many of our friends from the news and commentary

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side of things, So we can discuss some of that. Also,
there is now reporting that Donald Trump is going to
be escalating the support that we give to Ukraine imminently
to include offensive weapons and patriot missile systems. Trump is
ticked off, you could put it that way. He is

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ticked off at the games that Vladimir Putin has been playing.
He says that Putin's very nice on the phone calls,
but then is doing terrible things at night, and some
fascinating reporting coming out about what modern drone warfare Clay
looks like. We have entered the phase now where this

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is it is here, it is no longer something that
is theoretical, and we can discuss some of that. I
think it's a fascinating change in how nation state level
combat is going to be engaged going forward. Biden and
the Auto Pen. I have a feeling Clay is excited
about this one. Biden and the Auto Pen, and the

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New York Times over the weekend a little more clean
up on Ale Biden going on there, the headline not
really not really matching up with some of the story.
And then there's some continued discussion a little bit going
on out there about transparency and the DOJ and Epstein

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and the case and all of the above. So with
all of this in mind, Clay, Oh, we have also
Governor Brian Kemp of Georgia right will be with us today, yes,
talking about all the things Georgia. Also the All Star
the Baseball All Star Game. I do not think I
could name I do not think I could name a
baseball player in the All Star Game right now. So

(02:30):
Japanese fellow, that's that's right, the Japanese fellow, I could
name him. That's it. So I'm pro Otani is my
guy because he's the only one that I know. And
with that clay, I've laid out the menu. I was
gonna let you order for where we dive in first
here because there's there's so much to work through, so
much to discuss. To me, first of all, there was

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a lot of stuff going on over the weekend, and
we're gonna hit it all. But to me, the story
dropping Sunday night in the New York Times with Joe
Biden surrounding the auto pen and the Pardons it a.
As I was reading it, I was like, oh man,
this is a really big story, and I don't know

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how many people have recognized it yet. But let me
just give you a couple of details that to me
give an indication of how big this story could become.
I didn't realize this, but Joe Biden didn't do an
interview with The New York Times for his entire presidency.
I mean, again, if you were wondering about what they

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thought about his cognitive ability. Whatever you want to say
about the New York Times, yes, they are oftentimes communists,
but the people that they employ are not morons as writers.
These people are fairly intelligent. And the fact that they
hid Biden from them for his entire tenure, even though
the New York Times would have been in many ways

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propaganda for the Biden regime. Remember, I would say one
of the most consequential articles in New York Times published
on the front page was Biden saying that he was
upset with Merrick Garland's pace and he wanted to see
more charges brought against Trump. That's basically using the New
York Times to be the method by which you give

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your message. While then you can say, oh, I never
tell my Attorney general what to say or what to do. Well,
you just did it the New York Times, like he's
going to read that, he's going to see it. So
the fact that he never did an actual interview is remarkable.
And then I read the interview excerpts Buck, Oh my goodness,

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and I would encourage I shared these. We need to
link it at Clay and Buck, I would encourage all
of you to go read the interview excerpts from Biden
trying to explain how they use the auto pen for
all these pardons. That's point one point two. The article itself,
it is devastating to the Biden administration, even from the

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New York Times. It makes me feel that there is
a full fledged panic inside of the Biden team. And
I would add on more steam here if you are
listening and you are investigating this, Joe Biden had no
idea who was being pardoned. They used the autopen. Even
in the quotes that he gave, he basically indicates that

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he didn't really know who was getting pardons. They were
late night pardons. The people that Biden supposedly instructed to
give the pardons didn't even hear it themselves. A third
party called up the autopen people and said, hey, Biden
said this is okay, and then they signed thousands of pardons.

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This is a huge, holy crap moment for me. Again,
I understand the autopen has been used before, but when
you read this article the New York Times wrote the
fact that they gave Biden in the interview with them,
there is I think a full fledged panic over potential
criminality relating to the way that these pardons went down.

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No one's going to prison for this. You really think,
you really think there's going to be charges I mean,
come on, really, over pardons based on the Biden he's
a vegetable. We know he's a vegetable. They were running
the government without him. Do you think people are worried
about going to jail over this. I think they're worried
about being called to testify because it is quite clear.
I think, even based on this New York Times article,

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that Biden had no idea who was getting parted. Well,
the New York Times article is supposed to make it
seem like it wasn't that that it wasn't that bad.
I mean, you look at the headline, right, the headline
of it is that Biden says that he was aware, right,
I mean it's Biden says he made the clemency decisions
that were recorded with auto pen. So Biden says that.

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But then what you're citing is the details of the
actual reporting. Seems like Biden wasn't really aware. But it's
gonna be enough. They wouldn't have put him. Here's my thought, Buck,
and I'm curious of you. It's not. I think putting
him on a call with the New York Times for
the first time in five years is a sign that
internally they're starting to panic about this, and they wanted Biden.

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You know, first of all, putting Biden on the call
is a sign of desperation, and the fact that you
go read these quotes it actually to me in many ways,
even though the headline doesn't suggest it, in many ways,
it actually is worse for them than if they had
just said, oh, this is all crazy, like Biden Biden

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was involved. The fact that they went through these details
actually shows you that he wasn't really very involved. That's
what I mean. They're trying to give you. The headline
doesn't really match the conclusion you would have from the
actual reporting in the piece, So they want people. What
they're doing is they're putting forward a story to make
it seem like this has been dealt with, and then

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they want you to come away with a conclud usion
that's not really an evidence by the facts presented. Right,
This is a It's it's really a pretty effective or
a tried and true propaganda technique. But I don't think Look,
I could be wrong on this one, but I don't
think that anyone is worried about criminal charge. I think
there's a lot of embarrassment here for people that worked

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around Biden. I think their careers are probably finished. But
what would the charge. You have to think the charge
would be like defrauding the American people of their representatives
of representative democracy or something. I mean, what or you
know of their republic. The fact that everybody has taken
the fifth and that they're not lying again, I understand

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some people are going to say, what do you Somebody
out there I think may have flipped. This is my thought,
and somebody is going to be a canary and sing
on all the cover up. Just sometimes you have to
walk behind. Why would he take the fifth? Now? Bureaucracy,
They're all going to point fingers, are going to say,
I did a little part of this, and he did

(09:00):
a little part of that. Of Victor take the fifth. Well,
it's easy for the doctor to take the fifth because
he can just say I can't speak about this.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
He could have just said, hey, under hippa, I can't
talk about all this. He was specifically taking the fifth
when he was asked if anyone told him basically to
be involved in a conspiracy about Joe Biden's overall health.
I just look at all these signs they tried to
run to the New York Times, to try to put
this autopen thing to bed, and instead I think it

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has blown up and turned into a bigger story. Now
your point, and this is the larger context that I
think everybody out there is so frustrated about across the board.
We have all these people doing all these illegal things, right,
put it in whatever category you want from it. Nobody
gets in trouble all the way through the entire Biden team,

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and there are never any there's no account for any
of them. Well, this is why I don't want anyone
getting excited that like Biden's top advisors are going to prison.
I'm here to tell you they're not okay. So just
Servan's clear, like maybe they're a little bit nervous, but
that's not going to We don't want to overpromise and underdeliver.
And with that in mind, Clay, with that in mind,
I do think we should note the Trump truth from

(10:14):
over the weekend on the Epstein situation. Do we want
to get into this? I think we have to get
into this a little bit because Trump, do you lead
us off? Yes, the Epstein people are still fired up
and they were very unhappy at Trump. We got ratioed
for the first time ever on his truth social post
with the comments that he put out, it looks like

(10:35):
no one's going anywhere. Just to be clear, looks like
there's no resignations imminent from anyone in the FBI or
the DOJ, Bondi, Bongino, Cash, Betel. No one's going anywhere.
That is the latest reporting. That is the latest storyline.
And here's Donald Trump himself writing on his truth what's
going on with my boys and in some cases gals.
They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who's doing

(10:57):
a fantastic job. We're one team MAGA and I don't
like what's happening. We have a perfect administration, the talk
of the world, and selfish people are trying to hurt
it all over over a guy who never dies Epstein.
For years, It's Epstein over and over. Why are we
giving publicity to files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comy
Brennan and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration

(11:19):
who conned the world with Russia Russia, Russia, Hoax fifty
one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell and more. They
created the Epstein files just like they created the fake
Hillary Clinton. Christopher Steele dossier they used on me, and
now my so called friends are playing right into their hands.
Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files? Sorry, guys,
this is long. It is a long truth. If there

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was anything in there that could have hurt MAGA, why
didn't they use it? They haven't even given up on
JFK or MLK files. No matter how much success we have,
et cetera, et cetera. A lot about success. We're saving
our country, making America great again. The left is imploding
cash bet on. The FBI must be focused on voter
fraud Political Corruption Act, sorry Blue, the stolen election of

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twenty twenty, and not on the inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein.
Let Pam Bondi do her job. She's great, thank you.
Let's keep it that way and not waste time and
energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about. Thank
you for your attention in this matter. Donald J. Trump,
you're a president. That's what he wrote over the weekend.

(12:22):
So yes, just just sharing with you what he wrote.
So looks like there's no all that stuff about I'll
resign if someone else doesn't resign. Doesn't look like that's happening.
So no one's resigning. And I think that the plan
right now is let's talk about trade deals or something.
I don't know, this is what I'm missing, something seems
to I think Trump has let you know that he

(12:45):
has got cash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Pam Bondi's back,
that he doesn't want any of them gone, and that
he likes the team that he has put together. And
he thinks the Epstein entire story is a is a
distraction from things that he thinks are far more significant
that fair characterization of what he said over the weekend.

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And so you know, I've we've been trying to thread
this needle of what is true, what we don't know,
we know the non unknowns, the unknown unknowns. Where we
are on this one, and I don't know. I'm happy
that at least there is a robust conversation going on
within the movement. How about this. There's a robust discussion

(13:29):
that is happening on the issue. But I can't. I
don't have power. You don't have power to do anything
about these files. That's the correct I don't have them.
You don't have them. I haven't seen them, you haven't
seen them. We think people should see them. If they're there.
If the people who have them say they aren't there,
what are we going to do about it. This is

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where we are left with things, no doubt, and we'll
take some calls. People may feel strongly about this. I
trust some people might. I but couple. Yeah. Trump is
basically saying, hey, this is a distraction. There's a lot
of other things that I want to focus on, and
we'll take some calls. We'll react to that. Again. The

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Governor of Georgia, I think this is significant culturally. Remember
Joe Biden said, Hey, the state of Georgia put in
place Jimmy Eagle laws. They pulled the All Star Game
out of Atlanta over this, and the Governor of Georgia
has really he's fired up about this. I think you're
going to enjoy what Brian Camp has to say on
this front. At the top of the next hour, we'll
take your calls. We'll break down all this and more.

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Let's dive into some situations that I actually think are
hugely We were talking about this off the air hugely
important and largely not being talked about at all. So
Trump has now said, Hey, I'm gonna base it, give
Ukraine all the weapons they need, including weapons that could

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be used in an offensive manner. Okay, what do I
mean by that? That means that weapons, missiles, attack weaponry
that could theoretically even reach Moscow we are now going
to give to Ukraine. This is a substantial escalation in

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the overall quality of weapon that we have provided because,
to a large extent, we said in the past, hey,
We're only going to provide Ukraine with defensive weaponry that
is designed to attack Russia when they are coming into
the country, but not these long range tactical weapons. It

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now appears that we are going to be providing long
range tactical weapons. This was from the White House a
bit ago earlier today, Trump asked about exactly this. What
kind of weapons are you going to send to U
Crane This is cut twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Will these be patriot missiles specifically, or patriot batteries that
you're planning?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And when you win.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Everything, patriots and all of them, it's a full compliment
with the battery issue, I'm expect, Well, we're gonna have
some come very soon, within days.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Actually, it's a couple of the countries that have patriots
are going to swamp over and we'll replace the patriots
with the ones.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
They have, and Matt will coordinate with NATO.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
But so it's going to be a biggest sun of
rubbing version.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, I'm gonna ask Buck about this in a second.
I want to play one more cut. Trump said, I
got home and talked about the first late Lady about
his calls with Vladimir Putin, and Milania said, well, just
listen cut thirty one.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I go home, I tell the.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
First Lady and I spoke to Vladimir today.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
We had a wonderful conversation.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
She said, oh really, another city.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Was just hitting.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
So it's like, kid, look, okay, sol he is paying
attention to what Russia is doing. She's from Eastern Europe.
Probably not a surprise that she would be paying attention
to what's going on in Eastern Europe because it's her homeland. Buck,
I want to ask you this. Everybody has focused on
a lot of other stories right now. Am I crazy

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to think us giving these kind of weapons to Ukraine?
Given what has been said over the past several years
about Hey, we want to limit the spread of this
conflict is actually a huge story Part one, Part two.
Is there a way that Trump wants this to be
out publicly to Putin to try to pressure him, Hey,

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we better get a cease fire or else there are
going to be consequences inside of Russia. How do you
analyze this as a former foreign policy guy inside of
the CIA. I think that he's changing his position based
on the reality of the conflict. I think this is

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a change in posture from which is based on the
like I said, the experience of seeing what it is
that Vladimir Putin is really all about. And and the
problem here is it was very popular with the with
the Republican base going into this election to UH to

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say that we were going to stop h Well, it
wasn't really even clear what it was. We were just
Zelenski is money laundering, they say, And Zelenski's doing all
these bad things and and you know, we don't want
to get involved in another war. Okay, yes, absolutely, we
don't want to get involved another war. But are we
going to stop sending them stuff or not? And that

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was the question that really wasn't answered on the right,
and anybody I think who was being honest and paying
attention would would it would admit. I mean, we just
never got a full and clear explanation other than we're
going to negotiate an end to the conflict. That was
the plan. The planners are going to negotiate an end
to the conflict. Putin doesn't want to do that. This
is what we've really seen. So I think we need

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to look at this with what's actually happening. Putin sees
a Ukraine that it's fascinating stuff. Take apart the humanitarian
you know, casualties, catastrophes and awful stuff that's going on.
It's fascinating just to see how quickly the war is evolving.
Whereas now they're saying that drone technology is every ninety days.

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There's new drones with new capabilities that are being deployed
on this battlefield. There's suicide drones that you are kind
of like a missile with drone capability. There's Russian versions
of the Reaper drone, which has both surveillance and offensive capability.
There's all I mean, there's drones that are launched by
individual soldiers, Drones that are you know, twelve feet across

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and are operating more like an unmanned plane or strike craft.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff, and it really
comes down to manufacturing capacity and technology, and that's what's
really moving the front lines here. Part of what's going
on is the Russians are just swarming Ukrainian air defenses
with so many drones that they're running out of countermeasures.

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And then the Russians hit them with missiles in the
cities and hit critical infrastructure and really try to punish them.
So that's what's going on here. I mean, this is
now a drone war of attrition. That is what we're in,
as well as a human being one. I mean, they're
taking serious casualties on the front, but it's a drone
war of attrition. And the problem that Trump is facing
right now is that Vladimir Putin thinks he's winning. Because

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he is winning, he is he's going to be able
to out punch in this match what the Ukrainians have,
and so Trump is saying, all right, Putin, you jerk.
And Trump's been pretty salty in his language about this.
I'm not exaggerating. He's like, all right, all the people
out there that spent years telling US. Trump was Putin's stooge.
He's actually aggressively going after Putin, frankly on a level

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that most politicians, particularly on the Republican side, have not
been willing. Right, I think that's kind of significant. Yes,
And he's saying I'm going to do now. Remember Trump
is the one who is willing to escalate in support
of Ukraine at different points. All along, it was Trump,
not Obama, who was willing to give lethal aid to
the Ukrainians back in the early days of this Russian

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slow motion invasion. And so Trump is now willing to say, okay,
look we try to get these guys that you saw him.
He smacked around Zelenski and said, all right, you know
you don't have the cards. We've got to get you
to negotiating table. We've got to end this thing. And Zelenski,
you could tell, was cowed by this a little bit,
or was a little like okay, like fine, yes, sir.

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And then he sits down with Putin. He goes all right, buddy,
what do we need here to make a deal? And
Putin's like, oh, you know, sure, let's make a deal.
And then he keeps firing the missiles. Milania is spot
on here, I say, and this is the game that
Putin is playing. He's saying I want I want peace too,
and then he just keeps firing missiles and doing even
more so he's making Trump look bad, and making Trump
look bad is not smart because he doesn't take well

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to that. So I think that you're going to see
a major escalation here of the kind of munitions that
we're giving. But I just want to be clear, that
is a shift in policy, and the Trump base should
be aware of that. That is a major shift in
policy that is underway right now. I'm actually surprised that
this has not. We had a massive debate about whether

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we should get involved in Iran, right everybody out there
who voted for Trump. There were people who said, oh,
it's going to start World War III, Oh there's going
to be thousands of Americans that die. Oh gas prices
are going to go to over ten dollars a gallon.
All untrue. But there were people out there making the
argument that if we joined Israel and attacked that there

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would be major consequences. Hey, this was not America first,
this is not what I voted for. Suddenly, on Ukraine,
there's almost no discussion about this at all, such that
I think a huge percentage of you out there are
hearing about this for the first time. Now, my analysis
is that Trump is trying to by doing this, let

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Russia know, hey, it's time to put down the weapons,
and if you're not going to do that, there may
be consequences for you, Russia that you have had not
to contemplate prior to Now. The downside of this is
if that doesn't work, then we are looking at an

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accelerated amount of fighting that could be occurring, not only
in Ukraine but also in Russia. So I don't know
how this is going to play out, but I think
what Buck just said is very important. This is very
different than hey, we're gonna even the Biden team basically
said we're only going to give defensive weaponry if any

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And I think part of this is it's upsetting the
political calculus, which is what Trump candidly does regularly, such
that the left would have to say, wow, Trump is
actually more supportive of Ukraine than Biden ever was, and
that many p on the right would have to say,
wait a minute, this is different than what we thought
we were getting. And so a lot of people just

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pretend it's not happening. Candidly, well, this is this is
a pivot, and I don't see this going in some
other direction. I don't think it's a head fake play
because Putin has slapped away Trump's outstretched hand on this
one a few times, and instead of even he has
he has used the period of Trump's outreach to bring

(25:27):
together some kind of a a at least a real
ceasefire or durable ceasefire on this to escalate sacs uh
and and so clearly what he's doing is he's showing
Trump that he doesn't care, he doesn't care about these
casualties at all that are happening. In fact, he plans
to punish the Ukrainian military and the Ukrainian people more.

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And I just would say the concerns about the United
States being dragged further into this should still very much
be in play for everybody, because now you're talking about
giving Ukraine weapons that can reach into Russia and hit
Russian infrastructure, because if you don't do this, Russia is
just gonna effectively overwhelm and become so dominant in this

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conflict that then you're really not going to be able
to get them to stop. But how does Russia escalate
and what is the Russian response to this? And you
talk about patriot missiles, this is an advanced system that
we're going to be operating inside of Ukrainian territory. We're gonna,
you know, where do we stop this? So I'm just

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very aware of the fact that we're concerned about mission
creep in the Middle East. We're concerned about mission creep
and Ukraine. The mission's creeping a little bit. It's creeping
a little bit. That's happening right now. Isn't it super
fair to say that there's almost no discussion about this
and it was a one hundred or one thousand to

(26:56):
one the debate about in terms of coverage and contemplation
and debate in terms of what we should do with
Iran associated with Israel, and now this Ukraine Russia decision
by large isn't getting any attention at all. I just
think that's very interesting. And again, I think anyone trying
to predict how Vladimir Putin is going to respond to anything,

(27:19):
it's difficult. I think the calculus that Trump is putting
in play here is the only thing that Putin responds
to is force and threat of force, and so Ukraine
needs the ability to threaten Russia in their home country
or else. There's no way to get these two sides
to the table. Is it right? I don't know. It's

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Talk to you a bit about what's been going on
on the immigration front. Trump continuing to uh focus on
this and put his administration on a mass deportation footing,
which absolutely needs to happen, something that was discussed all

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along and promised all along. Clay, we mentioned this, I
think because it was just on Friday. I believe now
the day is all blend together. But there was a
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whatever it is you're doing to determine who it is
you're stopping and detaining and then trying to deport. In
case anyone was wondering, Tom Holman, who was doing such
a great job? You know, I had a friend asked
me recently, who's doing a great job as administration. I
was rattling off a bunch of names, and we were
just chatting about politics and life as one does, and

(29:56):
Clay I just I had to kind of stop and
just give a special shout out, you know, I had
to pour some out for my good friend here, Tom Holman,
who's doing an incredible job. And he also you'll notice,
never backs down and is never uh never cornered. Nobody
puts home in a corner. He's never cornered by these

(30:17):
whether it's the judges or the media, or the Democrats
or anything. This is a man on a mission, and
it's a critical mission, one that is necessary for the
salvation of this country as a country. And here he
is speaking about that federal judge who thinks that she
is just in charge of immigration policy. Holmeans having none
none of it. Play nine, Well, litigate that ordic.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think the order is wrong. I mean she's assuming
that the officers don't have reasonable suspicion. You know, they
don't need probable calls to briefly detain and question somebody.
They just need reasonable suspicion. And that's based on many
articlable facts. So unless she's in the officer's mind, I
don't know if she make that you know decision, Well,
they're not using reasonable suspicion.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
How does she know that?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I mean, every has to bring our typical facts to
raised reasonal sufficion, then it can be pre detain I
don't know how she knows that, but I don't think
any federal judge can dictate immigration policy. Has the matter
for Congress and for the President. And I know Department
of Justice is going to litigate this. Who want to
take it to the Peals card Clay.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It just feels increasingly like some of these federal judges
it doesn't matter to them what Congress says or what
the law actually says. They just try to find ways
to throw a wrench into the gears of this process.
I think increasingly they must recognize, some of them must
recognize that they're going to be overturned, maybe even on appeal,

(31:40):
but certainly if it gets to the Supreme Court level
with some of these orders that they are dropping, that
they are dropping, and it does a lot of damage
to the judiciaries, to the faith that people have in
the judiciary. And I think that it just shows you
how important an issue this is. I think that a
lot of these judges one have decided that they are

(32:02):
the front line of Trump two point zero resistance, because
the Democrat Party by and large has no opposition to
Trump in terms of a figure or figures that can
provide an alternative vision for the country in a coherent
and intelligent way. So there to the side, we made
fun of this, but it certainly has basically proven to

(32:22):
be the case. There's almost no in the streets resistance
to Trump two point zero. We talked about the bedraggled,
sad anti Trump inauguration parties, sorry our parties, promid to
the parties the protests, and it was cold, and it
was old people, and they were like beating drums and
they all looked like they weren't really committed to it.

(32:42):
And I know they had that one what was it,
No King's Day, which is actually July fourth, ironically enough,
but they had No King no Testosterone Day. You saw
the actual protests going on, but even that didn't really
I mean, I know it got attention from the media,
but it vanished within a few hours. Sound they're not
even good at the at the rage as like they

(33:05):
used to have better stuff. Like even no one uses
hashtags anymore, so hashtag resistance has served its purpose and
is no longer useful. But you know, No King's Day,
I don't even know. It sounds like a lame holiday
in some country that you don't really want to visit,
Like it's just not good. Well, and I think what
it speaks to is they defined Trump to the best

(33:27):
of their ability as a racist, white supremacist, and that
worked for a couple of years, because those are awful
things for someone to say about you. But then people
started to look through the actual charges and they said,
there's not really anything to support this. And when you're
winning the majority of Latino men in America, and when

(33:48):
your percentage of the black vote sets a record high
since the Civil Rights Movement, it's hard to argue, oh,
this guy is supremely racist white supremacyt So, so they
moved to oligarch, they moved to fascist, they moved to
all these words that people don't know as well. And
it hasn't mobilized. And so I think the decision by
these judges is, first, we're going to be the front

(34:11):
line of defense. Second, I think they see it as
career career acceleration, as a way to gain promotions, because
if you are seen as the most fundamentally ardently committed
against the Trump team, they're playing the long game. These
guys and gals have lifetime sinecures, They have jobs that

(34:33):
they can never be fired from by and large, we
don't impeach judges very often, and so they know, hey,
we'll be the most verhiently anti Trump element out here.
And then when the Circuit Court's judge ship comes open,
or when a Supreme Court justice ship comes open, I'm
gonna put myself higher in the category. And I do

(34:54):
think we should mention this. The perfect distillation of this, yes,
is Katanji Brown Jackson. I've read some of the quotes
that she is giving and I couldn't believe it. And
I think you're seeing the other eight members of the
Supreme Court recoil against her because she says, basically, hey,

(35:16):
I'm on the court, it's really important that everybody knows
my opinions. She doesn't mean judicial opinions. She means opinions
like what it should exist in the world. And I
flagged a couple of these quotes and I was reading
them again over the weekend. I say this as someone
who went to law school. What she is arguing for

(35:36):
is not judge ships. If Katanji Brown Jackson wants to
run for the Senate, or she wants to run for governor,
or she wants to run for president of the United States,
and she says, I believe X, Y and Z, and
let me tell you why it's important. Good for her,
That's how the democratic process should work. But we shouldn't
have judges, particularly not judges on the Supreme Court, who

(35:57):
are just writing their political opinions time after time. And
I think the judges on the Supreme Court are fed
up with it. I think you saw it from Amy
Coney Barrett where she basically completely destroyed Katanji Brown Jackson's descent.
And I think increasingly even Sodo Mayor and even Kagan
are looking at Katanji Brown Jackson and saying, you're not

(36:19):
a judge, You're just an activist. And I think there
are a lot of Katanji Brown Jackson's that got elevated
during the Biden term who have nothing and no interest
in actually being judges. They want to be members of
the legislature that are given the appillate ability to share
their actual personal opinions. This is what always places conservative jurisprudence,

(36:44):
unfortunately at a political disadvantage. This has been the case
for a long time. But left wing activist judges know
that they are to use their position to deliver results
for the team and the law is not supposed to
get in the way. And unfortunately, on the right you
have people who will you have a conservative jurisprudence constitutionalists

(37:07):
who feel like, you know, even if this is a
really bad thing for the country, or even if this
is a really immoral outcome, this is what law says,
based on what the Constitution says, and that is the
way that it is. Katanji Brown Jackson is not even
pretending that that's a concern anymore. She's just my team
wants X, so my team should get X. That's it.

(37:28):
And her team is to left, the Democrats and the
so called living Constitution theory, which is fascinating we think
about it. It doesn't really say what it says. It
kind of says what she wanted to say. Okay, well,
that's fun. Well, and I even think she's taking a
step beyond Look, all judges and anybody out there that's

(37:49):
been a lawyer involved in the judiciary process know this.
On some level can look at the law and use
the law to get to a result that they want
to get to. That's just the reality. And some judge,
you're going to be more expansionist in the way they
look at it. Some are going to be more reticent. However,
you want to establish what your philosophy is. My concern

(38:10):
with her is she's not even really I mean, this
is what Amy Cony Barrett said in her in her
majority opinion, which the six' to three, opinion IF i remember,
correctly just Ridiculing Katanji Brown. Jackson she's not even, saying,
hey The constitution SAYS. X and as a, result we
have to do why she's basically and this is REALLY

(38:32):
i think, important because it's happening more and. More she's
SAYING i BELIEVE, x and therefore.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
We have to do.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Why that's not being a, judge that is being a.
Politician and she's not even hiding it. Anymore AND i
think it's actually somewhat offensive even To, Soto mayor And,
kagan because at least they're trying to peg their analysis
in some. Way, Kagan i'll give You kagan on that
one a little. BIT i think some Of mayor is.

(38:59):
IN i think she's in the same place, ideologically she
just hides it a little. BETTER i, think like in my,
mind and now we're getting really now we're really nerding.
Out kagan sometimes will, say, look this is what the law,
Says i'm a progressive and you know it, stinks but
this is what the. Laws it just based on her
decisions right the way it comes, Down Soda mayor is.

(39:19):
More you, KNOW i hate, this But i'm gonna And
i'm gonna go against, it But i'm gonna try to
find some constitutional grounding for. It Case Townji Brown jackson
is just, well this is, bad so you can't do.
This there's no there's no way around. IT i think
she is the least qualified person to ever be on
The Supreme. Court AND i think that the other judges

(39:42):
are looking around and kind of in disbelief that she's.
There this is look you lawyers buy and large who
end up on The Supreme court or at high levels
of circuit court judged them are super. Nerds AND i
say that. Affectionately they really love practicing, law they love reading,
opinions they like they get in the, weeds even if they're.

(40:05):
Progressives Like i'll Give Elena kagan a lot of credit.
HERE i think she's super, smart AND i think if
you sat down and talked with, her you may not
agree with her judicial. Philosophy BUT i think in a
faculty lounge At, harvard everybody would SAY i respect her.
OPINION i don't think anybody Respects Katanji Brown jackson's opinion
when it comes to the. LAW i mean actual legal.

(40:27):
NERDS i think if, you're you, know the leader of
some far left wing interest, group you Respect Katanji Brown
jackson because she agrees with, You but she doesn't have
the ability or willingness to peg it to the actual, larger,
uh you, know sort of judicial temperament that we have
come to expect for generations on The Supreme. COURT i

(40:48):
also think that we've reached a place where if you
are talking about any kind of a political, issue or
you're even a political, PERSON i don't think you OR I,
CLAY i, mean heaven forbid. THAT i don't think you
are would be able to get a fair trial in
a court where one of these even if it was
like a civil, thing we don't have to talk about
crazy stuff. Criminal BUT i don't think we would get

(41:10):
a fair hearing from one of These biden Or obama
appointed activist judges that are constantly slapping Down. TRUMP i
just think that it would Go it would go against
us in whatever way the judge could make it go AGAINST,
us and that's a shame because we've actually lost. Something
THE us system has always been, imperfect but there has
been this ideal of it is about the law and

(41:32):
it is not about the preferences of the individuals who
are in the. PROCESS i don't think that's really Possible
clay to make that case the same way. ANYMORE i
think everyone sees it's really. Politics it's really, politics unfortunately,
well AND i Think Katanji Brown jackson is the worst
version of that probably that we've ever seen on The Supreme.
COURT i really do mean, that AND i think even

(41:53):
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eight ninety, eight ninety. Eight or it was the anniversary
of The Butler pennsylvania assassination attempt On Donald, trump a
bullet ripping through his ear on. CAMERA i, REMEMBER i
remember those, moments you know that that where were you when?
That people will think of a lot of. Times THE
jfk assassination nine to eleven is the big one for our.

(45:14):
GENERATION i remember frame by frame aspects of that morning
and what was going. ON i have a pretty seared
into my brain. MEMORY i know it wasn't long, ago
so it's not that you can't really test that out quite,
yet but pretty seared into my, brain you, know second
by second OF i was at the, GYM i Texted
clay and my. Family right As i'm watching, This i'm

(45:36):
at the. Gym it's very. Loud It's, miami, so you,
know like the reggaeton music is pounding AND i can't
really you, know hear or see anything on my, phone
AND i just remember looking down and seeing some of
this stuff On it was On twitter THAT i saw
the stuff, initially and you sent me something AND i walked.
Outside there's a little ledge area where you can get

(45:58):
outside and get some fresh. AIR i remember walked outside
AND i, thought oh my, God President trump is dead
for a second BECAUSE i saw the you, KNOW i,
Remember i'm seeing frames of. It i'm going. Around it's
a loud, place and so for, me it almost felt
like A trump resurrection when he was brought off the
stage this. PUMP i thought there was about a ten
or fifteen second period WHERE i, Thought oh my, god

(46:20):
they've you, know they've Taken trump from. Us so it, was,
uh it was quite a, day AND i think the
country still needs to take stock of the fact that
it was the Ultimate we dodged a bullet moment in
every sense as a country For President, trump be, sure
but as a country as, WELL i think that as

(46:43):
Time i've been on this since the day after this.
Happened we were In monday In milwaukee at THE rnc last.
YEAR i think the historical potency of that image and
that reaction and that video and that moment is going
to outlive by far anyone listening to us. TODAY i

(47:07):
think one hundred years from, now everyone who watches that
film will be inspired by what they. Saw AND i
was thinking a lot about this over the. Weekend some
of you may have Seen President trump was at The
World Cup Club final and he was on the stage With,
chelsea which is a team in The English Premier league

(47:28):
In england that won this Big, basically it's The World
cup of pro soccer teams that was played in The United.
States it was the first inaugural season they'd ever done.
It they're going to have The World cup here next,
year which should be honestly a lot of, fun AND
i Think President trump will be a big part of.
It he was on the state can you get, it you,
know can you get a guy into some games?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Here?

Speaker 1 (47:49):
BUDDY i THINK i can get. US i THINK i
can get us some tickets to some of Those World cup,
matches and maybe we'll do the SHOWS i, MEAN i
don't think they've announced where THE us team will play.
EXACTLY i Think i'm correct in that some of you
may have some, idea but what we can't know because
we don't even know what groups everybody's going to be.
In but my point on that is one year. Difference

(48:11):
trump on the stage With. CHELSEA i sent the picture
to my seventeen year old and he, says is this?
Ai because it looks so funny if you haven't seen.
It It's trump surrounded by the entire soccer team delivering
the trophy and everybody. Celebrating he's having a good. Time
one year. Apart i've got an idea. HERE i haven't
heard anybody else suggested That i'm aware. Of so some

(48:31):
of you may hear this and you may say you're,
bonkers you're a looney maybe. CORRECT i think they should Make, Butler.
Pennsylvania they should make it a national, park a national.
Monument at. MINIMUM i think that they should make a
trop statue Of trump reacting as he did in that iconic,

(48:53):
Image AND i think that people should be able to
go there to that historic location and sell break the, courage,
bravery heroism Of trump also acknowledged the loss of life
Of Corey, competore the individual who was there at that
rally and died on that. DAY i think that it
would be profoundly, important not for just, today but for

(49:17):
years to, come for kids to be able to go
to that, site understand what political violence can, do and
understand what bravery can mean in response to. It. NOW
i understand right now a lot of people out there
View trump as a very polarizing. Figure, historically maybe this
will not be, true but, historically when presidents are no

(49:38):
longer in, office they tend to become more, beloved regardless
of their, party regardless frankly of whether they were even that.
SUCCESSFUL i Think bush is somewhat of an exception to.
THAT W, YEAH i THINK. W i THINK w got
a substantially less popular, well he was. Good it was
rough toward the end of the. Term two is For bush.

(50:00):
Period AND i don't want to divert us from this,
discussion But i'm just saying the longer stuff played out
of The Middle, east the more people were real worst
the decision making looked For. BUSH i think there's some
truth to. That but even a guy Like Jimmy, carter
WHO i think most of you would say was a
really bad, president Even Richard, nixon who left in disgrace.
Resigning by the time he died there was a sort

(50:23):
of rehabilitation in some ways of his image relative to
how low it, was like me pointing Out dixon was
a fantastic anti communist fighting for the soul of the
country against The red, menace which was very, real despite
what The lib media wants to tell. YOU i Five
nixon on that made a lot of very good, decisions
AND i think presidents of both parties used his council

(50:44):
in the time that he was. Gone my point on
this is some of you may, say, oh there's no
way THAT i actually think, again this is the, nerd
the history nerd in me trying to, think, hey should we.
PURSUON i live on a, battlefield basically the battlefield Of
franklin eighteen sixty Four november. Thirtieth you ever go out
there with one of those like metal detector, things try

(51:05):
to find some belt buckles or some fifty cow mini.
Balls every now and then people still find cannon balls
and all this, stuff like near WHERE i. Live they
didn't do a good job preserving the battle the battlefield
itself has basically been overtaken by the growth of the.
City there's not a ton of physical location of the battlefield.

(51:26):
Left whereas you go to a place Like gettysburg or
you go to a place Like, Shiloh i've been to
all of. Them you go to Some Civil war. Battlefields
partly it's because they're still somewhat, Rural, okay understood in
a city Like nashville Or atlanta where there were Battles
richmond and a lot of growth has occurred since that's.
Natural BUT i think that we should preserve this physical,

(51:48):
location AND i think we should turn it into some
form of national monument to oppose political violence and also
simultaneously celebrate the bravery that we saw that. DAY i
think that's a historically resident idea that should take, root
AND i haven't heard anybody talk about, it So i'm
gonna pop it out on social. Media i'm saying it

(52:09):
obviously on this, show AND i think a lot of people, say,
oh you're, crazy because they're caught much as much as the.
Moment it's, disappointing disappointing that you have not given me
an opportunity to say that you are. CRAZY i was
looking forward to. It i'm a little bummed right. Now,
NO i think that's a VERY i think that's an excellent.
IDEA i think it's very. VALID i think that What

(52:29):
trump did was one of the most, iconic, visually, emotionally,
psychologically one of the most iconic moments In american politics,
period and a positive, one, RIGHT i, mean, yeah, YES
i think it's. Tough you, know nine to eleven is
seered into the you, know the center cortex of our. Brains,
fine obviously a horrific. Day trump surviving that day and

(52:54):
dealing with it the way that he. Did and, look
let's hear this is What President trump said about. This
this is cut. Twelve he said it out. Loud he
really believes, it that he thinks he was saved to
save the. Country, WELL i went through a.

Speaker 6 (53:06):
Lot it was a crazy, time very surreal, actually if
you want to know the, Truth i've got this massive
crowd of people and all of a, sudden you hear
and you feel something that's very. Unusual AND i got down,
quickly AND i was you, know people, screaming get, down get.
Down it was a whole the whole thing was just.

(53:27):
Crazy and it's hard to believe a year is, up
and here we are a lot of things have happened since,
then including the, Presidency so you, KNOW i have an
obligation to do a good. JOB i feel BECAUSE i
was really. SAVED i was really saved by somebody very.
Special but NOW i owe a, lot AND i THINK

(53:47):
i hope the REASON i would saved was to save our.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
COUNTRY i hope that he is, right AND i think
he's done an incredible. Job AND i would just point
out about the national, monument national location, There, butler, look
our studio In, washington D. C is just down the
block From Ford's, theater AND i believe it's The Peterson
house across the street Where lincoln was taken and. Died

(54:12):
there in that. House there are historic sites that are
unfortunately tied to one of the worst moments in the
history Of. America and it's right. Right we shouldn't have
torn Down Ford's. Theater we shouldn't have torn down the
house across the. Street it's important to understand what happened
in the nation and what evil can do sometimes to

(54:33):
triumph over for the short term the president of The United,
states and the difficulty of the nation of healing and
all these. THINGS i think that it. Is, Again i'm
thinking fifty one hundred years into the. FUTURE i don't
want That Butler pa site to get developed in something
else to. HAPPEN i think it should turn into a national.
Monument AND i don't know that there's very many places

(54:55):
THAT i would point to that that exist historically THAT
i think are going to be this resident years to.
COME i mentioned WHEN i went To, israel WHEN i
went to The Nova Music, festival we walked around. THERE
i feel like that site is likely hundreds of years
from now to still exist as a memorial against religious,

(55:15):
intolerance and the idea that you would slaughter people because
they happen to live in a country or support a
religion that's different than yours is fundamentally. WRONG i think
the idea That trump there would that someone would have
tried to kill. Him and then we came within a
quarter of an. INCH i watched a lot of those
displays again of just the fact that he turned to
look at That Ron Johnson Graphics Senator Ron johnson Of wisconsin.

(55:37):
Gay but for that graphic being on the screen behind,
Him trump will be dead right now and our nation
will be in a very different. Place AND i think
that's a conversation it's important to. HAVE i think it's
one that's important to have in the decades to come
for kids that didn't live through. It AND i, think
when when the heat is getting turned up AND i
understand why people have been upset and feel very passed

(56:00):
lately about about, things it is worth noting the country
could have been plunged into THE abyss one year. Ago,
yes in a, WAY i mean the whole, country, Right
i'm talking big, stuff, historical you, know epic changing kind
of stuff in a bad. Way and we we should

(56:22):
take stock of our blessings. Too there's a lot of
stuff that is going very well right now in the.
Country President trump is. President just take this for a.
Moment Kamala harris could have been the president of The United.
States it wasn't that far. Off think about what would
be going on right. Now, Okay so it's and think
about how the country is feeling If kamala becomes. President

(56:46):
Because trump was assassinated during the campaign and whoever you
know took his place for whatever reason wasn't able to.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
You, know.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
No one would accept that as oh, well this is
the will of The american, people, Right so, yeah we.
SHOULD i just think it's important to take take a
moment in time to say to yourself that the country was,
saved and That trump views himself as having been saved
to help the. Country think about this book as we

(57:16):
go to. Break what would the nation's reaction have been
if they Assassinated trump and then On november fifth they
told You Kamala harris won the. Election that's WHAT i. Mean,
YEAH i mean on that, NIGHT i think there would
have Been. MATT i, MEAN i cannot impress upon you
enough how incredibly important from a historic, perspective it was

(57:43):
That trump turned his head at that last. Instant and
you can attribute it to. Providence you can attribute it
to the good fortune that this nation has traditionally. Embraced
there's a lot of different things you can point To.
Providence sometimes is tough because people will, say, Well Corey compettori,
Died SO i THINK i think THAT i, KNOW i,
know BUT i THINK i think even the atheists at

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