July 16, 2025 • 55 mins
Full Epstein Ahead Major economic headline: the Producer Price Index (PPI) inflation rate has dropped to 2.3%, the lowest since September 2024. Clay and Buck emphasize how this undercuts mainstream economic forecasts and challenges the narrative that tariffs would drive inflation—highlighting a key win for the Trump administration’s economic policy. The conversation then shifts to President Donald Trump’s Oval Office remarks, where he hints at replacing Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. Trump’s economic achievements—such as falling gas prices, a budget surplus in June, and record-high 401(k) values—are spotlighted as evidence of a booming economy. Clay and Buck argue that these successes are being overshadowed by media distractions, particularly the renewed focus on the Jeffrey Epstein case. Trump’s labeling of the Epstein controversy as a “hoax” sparks a heated discussion. Clay and Buck debate the administration’s communication strategy, criticizing Attorney General Pam Bondi and others for mishandling public expectations. They call for greater transparency and suggest a press conference to clarify the administration’s findings. The segment underscores how the Epstein narrative has become a political liability, detracting from Trump’s policy wins on the economy, border security, and crime. Best President Ever Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone praises Trump’s presidency has a good chance to go down as one of our best Presidents in U.S. history. Pleading the Fifth Clay and Buck focus heavily on the growing controversy over Former President Joe Biden’s cognitive health, highlighting recent congressional hearings where top aides and White House officials—including Biden’s physician and senior advisor Anthony Bernal—invoked the Fifth Amendment when questioned about the president’s fitness for office. This fuels speculation of a coordinated cover-up and raises constitutional concerns about the use of executive power. The segment explores the implications of the 25th Amendment, with Clay and Buck arguing that Biden’s condition warranted removal from office. They compare the media’s treatment of Trump versus Biden, emphasizing what they see as a double standard in accountability and legal consequences. The discussion also touches on the Autopen scandal, where Biden allegedly signed off on presidential pardons without direct involvement—an issue Trump calls one of the biggest scandals in American history. Don't Be a Jerk Civility in public life, sparked by an incident where Vice President JD Vance’s children were harassed at Disneyland. The hosts condemn the politicization of family spaces and draw parallels to past harassment of conservative figures like Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Sarah Huckabee Sanders. They emphasize the importance of respecting personal boundaries, regardless of political affiliation. The hour also explores the Titan Submersible Netflix documentary, with the hosts reflecting on the dangers of extreme tourism and the psychological toll of claustrophobic environments. This segues into broader commentary on parenting in the digital age, where they discuss the dangers of social media for children, likening its impact to smoking. They advocate for delaying smartphone access and highlight the growing movement among schools and parents to restrict phone use in classrooms.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. A lot of news today and
we're going to break it all down for you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Here's a story.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We have a media focus on this one. Let's take
a look here. PPI Producer Price Index inflation falls to
two point three percent lowist reading since September twenty twenty four.
Fifty fore casters in the Bloomberg survey. We're wrong on
this one. The tariffs. The bottom line here, the tariffs
not having the inflationary effect that we were all pulled
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would happen, and not having the price rise effect that
we were all told would happen. So that seems like
a pretty big, pretty big deal.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The economy thing's going well. Another story that may get
some attention. And President Trump, just to be clear, we're
monitoring it. We have our monitors going, we have our
team pulling from it in real time time.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
President Trump is currently.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
In the Oval Office and he is actually guys, can
we join this live for a second here? Can we
try to join the president?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Let's find on a fire and betchair J.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Powell markets right, those are a report, but they're not true.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
What would be useful to know? Are you are you
committed to picking someone from the outside.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Are you going to interview individuals that so many people
that want that job.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have people that I've known a long time. They're
calling me begging for the job.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know what you need.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
They're a smart person with common sense, But you need
a very smart person for that job.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think it's so he's talking now about the FED chair,
which it looks like it is. Well, it is underway
that they're going to replace the FED share that process
has begun, rates coming down. Well, the economy could be
just so fantastic, Clay, it's already strong, already looking good,
already proving his critics wrong on tariffs. Another story that
may get some attention. Here a truth from President Trump.
(01:58):
And he was just asked about We're gonna bring you
that SoundBite here momentarily. But this, Clay, is is what
the President wrote, and I am I'm just gonna read it.
I'm gonna read it for this is from the President
the United States, from his official account. The radical left
Democrats have hit pay dirt. Again, just like with the
fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying fifty one
(02:20):
intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, which the dem swar
had come from Russia, No, it came from Hunter's bathroom,
and even the Russia Russia Russia scam itself totally fake,
made up store used in order to hide Crooked Hillary's
big loss in the twenty sixteen presidential election. These scams
and hoaxes are all Democrats are good at. It's all
they have. They're no good at governing, no good at policy.
Their new scam is what we will forever call the
(02:42):
Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into
this BS he didn't write, BS, hook line, and sinker.
They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will. Even
after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years.
I've had more success than six months than perhaps any
president in our history. Democrats are starved for things. The
(03:06):
success Democrats are starved for is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Make America great again? Clay, what do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Make it? I don't understand why he keeps talking about it.
I mean, if you truly feel like, this story is
not a story.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The number one thing to do is just move on and.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Not talk about it, because this is, to me the
equivalent of a scab that Trump keeps ripping off. And
every time this happens, we get deluged with people that
are really upset with Trump over the way that he's
handling this. And I'm leaving aside the Epstein story for
the moment and purely talking about the communication associated with this. Okay,
(03:49):
so this is not Epstein based. It's been awful, Just
gonna be candid. Pam Bondi has been a disaster on this.
The fact that she gave all those influencers a Jeffrey
Epstein binder, the fact that she said that the Epstein
files were on her desk. I understand why that set
forth the expectation that there were going to be substantial
(04:13):
results as a result of those public comments. And then
what is it ten days ago?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Ish they walk it back in a Sunday night post.
If I remember correctly a release, buck, you can correct
me in the team, you can correct me on the dates,
because everything kind of runs together. And now here we
are two weeks later, and Trump continues to post about it.
I think he's upset that he is getting criticism on
this front. I think that Trump feels that he has
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done nothing wrong and that Epstein is old news.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
He killed himself six years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Democrats had this story for years that they could have
done something with in the Biden administration. They didn't, and
I think he believes that this is a manu factured
hoax of a story. I think he's being honest with
his expectations.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's not going away.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And this is where again I'm addressing directly the management
related to it. We had the poor, I think handling
of the initial situation by Attorney General Bondi. We then
had last week the report that Dan Bongino was basically
at loggerheads with the Attorney General's office and potentially was
going to leave. That seems to have been diffused. I
(05:29):
thought this story was kind of put to bed. I
woke up this morning in Atlanta, and the number one
thing that's echoing all over the social media universe this
morning was Trump deciding to go after the Epstein story
again and tell anybody that basically doesn't believe him, hey, go,
you know, I'm done with you.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So that we have he was just asked about this
minutes ago, and so as we were coming on air,
he was mid answer. So we wanted to give you
the full answer. President Trump in the Oval Office with
a bab rainey Prime Minister Press gaggle goes right to Epstein.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Here's what he said. We're going to play the full answer.
Listen in.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I know you want to.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Move past all this entry lord, the Epstein files, but
I do want to ask you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
To clarify something you said this morning. You said this
was all a hoax. Has your turn each other told
you this was a hoax? What evidence have you?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's not the Attorney General, No, I know, it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats. It's been run by the Democrats
for four years. You had Christopher Ray and these characters
and call me before him, and it's a bad group.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It started.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Actually look at the Steele Dussier that turned out to
be a total hoax. The fifty one agents, the intelligence
so called intelligence agents.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
It was a hoax.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats,
and some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net.
And so they try and do the Democrats work. The
Democrats are good for nothing other than these oakses.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They're bad for policy.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
They're bad for picking candidates they can get elected. No, No,
it's I call it the Epstein hooks. Takes a lot
of time and effort. Instead of talking about the great
achievements we've had.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
A great gentleman yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
A's you know, went on CNBC and he made the
statement that Trump bago down is the greatest president of
all in the United States. And instead of talking about
the things we've achieved, We've had tremendous achievement, they're wasting
their time with a guy who obviously has some very
serious problems, who died three or four years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'd rather talk.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
About the success we have with the economy, the best
we've ever had, and all of the things we've done,
including in the middle least, I mean, you see it.
Instead they want to talk about the Epstein hooks. And
the sad part is it's people that are really doing
the Democrats work as stupid people.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Clay, This is not going to make the issue go away.
I don't think people who are still upset about the
whiplash over the promise versus the presentation, and that we
could all again. I don't want to go down the
Epstein rabbit hole right now. We could do that. I
mean people are doing that. You can do hours and
(08:06):
hours and hours on the Epstein case. But the way
this is being handled at this moment by the administration
has a lot of people scratching their heads and pretty frustrated.
And I think that frustration is completely fair.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, look, here's what I would say about the idea
of the Epstein hoax. I think it's an interesting idea,
and I think Trump probably does believe it. That this
is a continuation of the Russia collusion hoax, that this
is a continuation of the Steele dossier hoax, all these
things that Democrats were told, Hey, we're going to get
(08:40):
Trump on this. He sees it as connected. Here's where
I would say the difference is unlike those and I
think you would sign off on this too, like just
making the analogy. There was no real crime committed related
to Russia. I know they got a couple of people
for lying to intelligence, you know, during interviews.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That was the whole thing was a fabrication, a fantasy.
Nobody was harmed in the making of that movie. So
to speak. It was just all cra well. Trump was
harmed in the event. But I'm saying there was no
actual crime, there was no murder, there was no nothing,
nothing happened.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We know there were yeah, we know there were crimes
related to Epstein. Right, So unlike Russia collusion, where it
is I think manufactured out of whole cloth. I don't
think anybody out there saying, hey, Jeffrey Epstein, j Elaine Maxwell,
they were totally innocent. This was manufactured. There's nothing associated
with it. Now, I and I get people are fired
(09:38):
up about this.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I actually think that if.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You look at the logic, if you look at the logic,
I don't buy that there's tons of information that they
are refusing to give to the American public. I think
that might be the frustration of Trump. That is why
to me, and I think I said this last week,
the only way to handle this is either one just
move on, just say hey, we got a disference of opinions.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We're not going to solve this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But we're not seeing that right because the President put
out the statement that he did today. He just had
that statement that we played for you in the Oval Office.
And so the second one is I think you have
to just put out everything that you have.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now, here's the challenge.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
As you well know this, Buck, whatever they put out,
there are going to be people who say they're still
holding things back. This is not all of it, right,
So the challenge you're in now is everyone who believes
that this is a massive, huge scandal that is decades
in the history, right building. They're not suddenly going to
(10:43):
believe if you give them a binder and push it
out publicly. And again, I don't know who advised Pambondi, Buck,
we said this when this happened, Giving those influencers the binders,
the trapper keepers, whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It made it seem like a clown show. And there's
nothing funny about any of the stuff that is being said.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Who in the world, if you or I have been
asked a question about this, I've been involved in investigations, right,
I've done criminal defense work. Who in the world said, hey,
we should give these guys, these influencers, a binder and
call it part one? Right, There's not very often Epstein
files part one. There's not very often you call something
(11:23):
part one, and part two never comes, right. So the
lack of fulfilled expectations here is real. I get why
people are super frustrated. I just don't get why Trump,
if he truly thinks this is not a significant story,
you stop talking about things that you think are insignificant
and you move on to other things. And he does
have an incredible story on six months of the economy,
(11:44):
on the border, on crime, as we have talked about
on this show. I think he's got the best six
months of tangible results of any president in my life.
But when you put out that post this morning and
then you get, as you would expect, a question like
this in the Oval office, I don't know what he
expects the new site goal of the day to be
other than what we started off the show talking about,
(12:04):
which is what everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And part of the problem is that there are a
lot of senior government people who said that there was
a lot going on with Epstein in the run up
to this election, and now some of those same individuals
are saying everything is fine, there's nothing I mean meaning,
there's nothing further to show or share, and I just
don't think that's going to fly. I think people are
(12:27):
going to continue to be very agitated about this. So
I had said they should do a press conference where
they just address with clarity, because when you say things
like the Epstein hoax, Okay, Epstein is not a hoax, obviously,
no one actually is holding Trump doesn't. No one's holding
the position that Epstein wasn't a serial sex criminal over
(12:49):
decades and did horrible things. No one takes that position.
The part of it that he's saying is a hoax
is that there is a and I'm doing some Trump
translation here, but the notion that they're actually is a
list of people who committed crimes or proof of those
people committing crimes, not going to release, just a general
(13:09):
covering of all allegations, even those that were unsubstantiated, et cetera.
I think that's what the position of the administration is,
I think, and I just wish they would make that
more clear because this tweet and I just look, we're
just reading to you what the president is saying. I'm
not the president. Clay's not the president. He's saying, shut up,
there's nothing to see. I don't want to answer any
(13:31):
more questions about this. And if you still fall, if
you still want answers on this, you're playing into the
Democrats hands. That's what he's saying. He's and he's using
a little profanity and he's done with it. So take
that with as you will. I would advise not to
go in that direction. No one's asking me, well, some people,
but the president's not asking me. I would say, address
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it with clarity and openness, and if there is anything
more to be shared than what has already been shared,
share it, redact what is necessary, explain those reactions now.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
President Trump is saying even that position is not helpful
and as bad right now, I disagree, right, I mean,
that's he can he's the president.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He can say what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
But I think that to make this go away, it
would be better to have that transparency. So but I
don't get to make the call. The president does, and
that's where this is.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I also think the more you talk about it, the
more people think there's something to it. I mean, I'm
just gonna be honest, like, if you keep telling, I mean,
in your own lives, step away. If somebody keeps talking
about something with you and forces you to constantly marinate
in it, we're going to break here, and we'll take
some of your calls and we'll take some of your reactions.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Uh, this is going to be the story that comes out.
I think the Jerome Powell stuff is far more significant today.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I want to play the gentleman who said Trump might
have the greatest presidency ever because I agree, because I
think Trump is absolutely I don't want to talk about
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(16:47):
to hear from all of you about the subjects of
the day, as we always do, so we will dive
into some of that. We'll also bring you more from
the Trump presser that just was going on in the
Oval Office a few moments. It might actually still I'm
paying at ten to the radio show we're doing. Is
it's still going on. It could be, but Trump is
definitely addressing that, it has been addressing the nation taking questions.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So we'll dive into some of that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
But he mentioned this, and I saw this this morning,
Ken Langone, who is the Home Depot founder, a very
wealthy guy and a guy who understands business. You know,
I got to say He's going on TV and he's
basically saying, maya Colpa. I was wrong about my concerns
(17:30):
about the Trump presidency. Not only was I wrong about it,
but I have to say that this may be the
best presidency in my lifetime. And you know, he's an
older guy. And here is exactly I wanted you hear this.
This is what a place he a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I feel like, oh yeah, talk to me and founded
where I'm from in Atlanta Home Depot where I'm broadcasting
from right now. Home Depot one of the great American companies,
And yeah, this guy is swimming in billions of dollars
and kind of understands maybe better than most retailers because
so much of what he sells is predicated on construction,
(18:09):
which gives you a good indication of how the growth
of the economy is going. But yeah, this was an
incredible endorsement that he gave this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Look, I'm going to tell you right now, I am
sold on Trump. In fact, I'll say this, I think
you've got a good shot at going down in history
as one of our best presidents.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
E That is a real turnaround because you didn't want
to vote for him.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I told you the reason.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I want to tell you, I'm a believer. What I'm
seeing happening is is absolutely nothing short.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Of a great thing. And there's a beat.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
People are walking with more bounds than there.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's all around. I think that's all true. He went on.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He went on at some length there just to talk
about how much Trump is Let's just say it's just
kicking ass with the economy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And with the border, and do it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We talk about the difficulties as well as the victories here,
but let's not forget those victories and I think he's
doing a phenomenal job in the economy. The fact that
once again he had essentially all of the as we say,
the consensus right the economy is saying, oh my gosh,
you can't do this tariff thing. Tariffs haven't raised prices
and are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars to
the treasury, and it hasn't done the terrible things that
(19:19):
that we were told we're going to happen, despite so
many people saying it. So Clay at some level, I'll
put this out there. I understand his frustration because anything
that's not this that affects three hundred fifty million people
to Trump right now, I believe he does view as
something of a distraction. So I get that he's frustrated
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because the administration is doing on the big things that
matter with the economy. I think we could all agree
that phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Job so far, not only the economy, economy, border crime,
which is what he ran on as his foremost you know,
three tenth polls that he was focused on. I think
he is delivered in a massive way on all three
of those, and I give credit. Look, one of the things,
if I could go back in time. One of the
things I wish I could do is I wish we
gave as much credit to people for.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Admitting when they're wrong as we do when they're.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right, because admitting when you're wrong on something is I
think a sign of intellectual health and growth. I'm wrong
on things all the time. When we're wrong on this show,
we try to come on and correct and we've been
wrong about a lot of things, as everybody is, especially
when you're in the prediction game. But what I love
about business guys and gals in general, ultimately it all
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boils down to what the data shows them right. And
this home Depot founder said like, Hey, I wasn't a
Trump guy. I was not a big believer in Trump,
and he now is seeing through the data that the
economy is producing that he might well have been wrong.
And he's going on and saying what I think is true,
which is Trump has had one of the greatest six
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months of any president ever.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I get why Trump would be frustrated because there are
distractions from that. What I would say to Trump is,
and if you ask me, I would tell him this
you face to face, Hey, you're creating some of the
distractions from your super significant successes, because as soon as
you set down and decided to draft something on Epstein,
it's going to take away from other things that I
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think are more consequential. Inflation below expectations is a huge deal.
Jerome Powell not lowering rates is a huge deal for
you and me and everybody out there that has a home,
that has a mortgage, that's buying a vehicle, that's paying
interest rates. They have cut rates seven eight times in
the EU, I believe in the last year or so,
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we haven't done it hardly at all here. And so look,
is it a coincidence that Jerome Powell cut rates right
before the election? I don't think so. He was trying
to help Joe Biden. So the idea, in my opinion,
the idea that he's in a political economic steward, I
don't believe is true.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
True.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And look, I mean, the economists are wrong over and
over and over again. I believe this is five straight
months where their inflation expectations have been higher than what
the results have been. And so look, to me, that's
the story. The economy is starting to roar. We need
to have more steam. More steam would be lower interest
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rates that would help get the growth rate up. Fuck,
we just hit a surplus in June. It's like nobody
even noticed it. How much time have we spent talking about, Hey,
we got to balance the budget, we got to make
sure that we're not spending more. Now I know that
it's not going to happen every month. I would love,
by the way, if the economy got roaring so much
that it did happen. If the tariffs ended up having
the impact that Trump believes that they might, that would
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be an incredible outcome. But the fact that we actually
didn't borrow money in June for one of the first
times in years that we balance the budget, I believe
had a twenty seven billion dollar surplus that should be.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Screamed for the heavens. No, there was I bet there.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Wasn't a single economist in the country that's said, if
you asked them, hey, will there be a budget surplus
in any month in twenty twenty five during the Trump administration.
I bet there wasn't one single forecast of that occurring,
And it's already happened in six months. Gas price is
four year lows. The overall stock market prices. If you've
got a four oh one k record highs. All of
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these things are great, but you've got to be disciplined
on the messaging. And I think one, the media is
not going to want to give Trump a lot of credit. Two,
they're going to follow conflicting chaos. So if you sow
conflict in chaos in any way in your messaging, then
you're going to create, I think, a continued storyline which
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suggests that you haven't been as successful as you have.
And I think that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think that the more that people see the economy
and the trajectory overall of it as well, the more
understanding they'll be, And maybe even people coming out and
admitting that the choice between mean Trump and Kamala for
the economy, how could they even be a choice? How
could anybody any person think? Oh, yes, I wanted Kamala
(24:09):
Harris to be making the dis Kamala Harris couldn't couldn't
run a you know, a food stand.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Somewhere's no idea kind of run a profitable lemonade stand.
I like what kids do in the neighborhood. I don't
think Kamala she never run a business. I don't think
she'd be able to do it. By the way, Larry
and Thomasville has a good uh theory here. And by
the way, have we reached out ally to Alan Dershowitz
to ask if he will come on and talk about
some of these things.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Okay, let's do that today.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, here is Larry who wants to talk some about
Alan Dershwitz.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Listen, yes, uh, like derhis said said this weekend, it's
not Trump's d OJ and the FBI of Trump that
is doing the suppression of this evidence. It's a southern
district in New York and the previous administration's fault for
that and probably summoned South flows part of where the
previous trial was. Some evidence was probably suppressed there. But
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they don't need to get Trump mad with his supporters.
His supporters do not blame Trump and his people. They
blamed the previous bunch.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So I think this is a good call, and again
we'll reach out to Alan Dershowitz. This is why I'm focused.
There's two different stories to me. There is the Epstein story,
which has been I mean, it's twenty years in the making.
People have covered it at infinitum. There's lots of uncertainties.
Was the intelligence asset, was he not How substantial is
the larger ring of criminal perpetuity that surrounds him outside
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of Jelaane Maxwell and Epstein himself. All of those things.
You can dive into them, deep dives all those things.
I think there's also the messaging side, which is what
he's calling about. If Pam Bondi and Cash Mattel and
Dan Bongino and Trump, after reviewing all of these files,
had had a big press conference and they had answered
every question and they said, guys, we went over everything
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in here with a fine tooth.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Come.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
We are going to release as much as we possibly can.
And what we have uncovered here is there's nothing that
can be criminally charged against anybody else. We can't speak
to what evidence might have existed before. Certainly, if any
new evidence comes out, I think people I'm curious about
how you think of this would have gone, Buck. I
think people would have been upset, but I don't think
they would have had the expectation, based on the binders
(26:24):
and all the comments from Bondi that charges were coming
and there was going to be some grand revelation here.
It's managing communication wise, this story that I think has
been a failure beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well, a huge problem has been.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
On the one side of the equation promising massive transparency. Look,
this is why I didn't like the Oh, the JFK files,
the MLK junior files. We're going to unseal those and
there's gonna be big things in there too, because there's
not I knew there wasn't in that. I know people
are now saying, oh, the CIA killed JFK.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Please, this is not something.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Maybe you can believe that, but that hasn't been proven
based on these new files that are out, and even
beyond that in those cases too, I just want to say, okay,
so what do we everybody involved would be dead, Like,
what would we even do about that even if that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Were theoretically true? But I don't want to. I know.
The problem is get to the point, and I think
this is important.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If there were truly earth shattering things in files on
JFK or RFK or any of those, the idea that
it would have stayed buried or not been destroyed for.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Fift what have been saying all along, Okay, anybody there
are people that have access that would know these things,
and they would have smuggled it out. Just think people
look at some of the stuff that has been leaked everybody.
I mean, I was in the CIA when the whole
Black Site thing was leaked. I mean, stuff that's supposed
to be kept really really secret has gotten to the press.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Big juicy stories get to the press. Now.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Now the Epstein thing is different because at different layers
of the Justice Department there have clear and it's recent.
There have been efforts. We're you know, we're talking about
the twenty nineteen radar this house. I mean, this is
recent stuff, right, This isn't fifty years of sitting in files.
People could see nobody cares anymore. And so when they
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say there's going to be a huge revelation and then
there's not, that's that's not good. That's that's a that's
a problem. And that's where a lot of this has
come from. So I understand, I get it. I just
other than just sitting around and speaking about the frustration,
we can advise what we think should happen, which is
make more stuff transparent, or make a do a press conference.
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Beyond that, the people in charge of the people in charge,
and they determine what gets released.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We don't get you. We're not. I'm not sitting on
any documents. If I were, you would know.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I think the challenge that you're in now, and I'm
just being candid, is if you release every single file
in the entire Epstein file. I'm saying that that happens
a ton of people saying it's not enough, sure enough, right,
there is no way to satisfy the demand. And now
short of frog walking perpetrator style people out in handcuffs
associated with it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, we got Todd in Louisville, Kentucky, wants to talk
to us about this. Todd, Let's let's go for it.
What do you got got?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
All?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Right, guys, this couple angles a Trump. Here's what aggravated
me about all of it? And is Trump campaigned on
it mostciferously constant. We're going to get to the bottom
of it. Da da da da da Constant. Now, when
all their information when it came out, BONDI said there
was Bonjineo, there's an old there there the tail Bondy
come out, but the one that kind of killed me.
(29:34):
Because all of them are in, they're all instinct, and
I think they've done a wonderful job. I'm behind them
a million percent. This doesn't bother me at all, but
it's aggravating to me when I hear Trump when he
was asked a week and a half ago, what they're
still talking about that, like it's something that hadn't been
mentioned in five years. He just got off the campaign
(29:56):
trip for months talking about it, and just that to
say that the other angle, I love Trump. Hey, make
no mistake, Bongino, Patael and Bonding are appointed by Trump.
A lot of people said all that Bonzino knows he'll
come right out. No he won't because he knows that
Trump will drop the hammer.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
He can fire him.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
On the spot, get rid of him. I'm not saying
people would sacrifice their goodness. I'm just saying with putting
information out that ain't gonna matter here or there if
he tells them.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I think, thank you for the call. We got to
go to a break. But let me say this, and
I think Buck, you would sign off on that. I
agree with quite a lot of what he was saying.
But I do believe that Bongino Cash. I don't know
Pambondi well enough, but I think if those guys had
evidence of crimes that were being committed, and they were told, hey,
(30:52):
you can't prosecute people.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I think they would resign. I think they would leave.
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Speaker 1 (32:06):
All of you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hanging out with us. I'm down in Atlanta, Georgia. Fabulous
spot awesome All Star game last night that it ended
near midnight. For those of you who stayed up and watched,
it ended in a home run derby producer Ali said
even she couldn't escape it while.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
She was in her gym. We are here, I am here.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I want to thank Atlanta's Extra one oh six point
three FM. They are our affiliate here in Atlanta, and
they do a fabulous job of hosting me one o
six point three FM. I know many of you have
been listening on that broadcast network, so we thank you.
Bucked is down in Miami. We broke down the latest
from the president's address with the media, basically a running
(32:49):
press conference he had for a long period of time.
I think we needed tally through July coming up at
the end of the month. I can't imagine that any
president has ever taken more questions from the media in
the first six months of his presidency than President Trump has.
And he has been weighing in on a variety of
(33:12):
different subjects. So I want to dive into some of
these that I believe are consequential, and I'm surprised this
isn't getting more attention, I really, because it's kind of unprecedented.
Was it earlier this week or last week? Team look
this up? I think it was last week that. In fact,
(33:32):
I'm pretty sure that it was Joe Biden's doctor took
the Fifth Amendment when he was asked about whether there
was a conspiracy to cover up the mental and physical
health of Joe Biden inside of the White House.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Took the Fifth Amendment.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Pretty I thought significant detail, and we talked about that
last week. But some people said, well, he's a doctor,
he's got the out of hippa, And I tried to
distinguished between a patient diagnosis and a doctor being told, hey,
no matter what your diagnosis is, wink wink, nudge, nudge,
(34:09):
this guy is going to be okay, right, that would
be a conspiracy potentially. Now, Anthony Bernall, and I know
Buck is disappointed in me, but I read all of
Original Sin and Anthony Bernall is a huge character in
this book because he is basically Jill Biden's personal staffer
(34:31):
who is in charge of messaging. And as you read
the book, is no great surprise that doctor Jill Biden
was among the most vociferous of Joe Biden's defenders and
constantly saying that he was fine and there were no issues.
And Anthony Bernall was sort of her eyes and ears
inside of all top White House meetings, and he was
(34:54):
often dictating policy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He just took the fifth two they called him up
to capit.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They asked him whether or not there had been a
conspiracy to protect Joe Biden, and he also took the
Fifth Amendment. Here is cut one. James Comer is hosting
these hearings. Here is what was said about yet another
top Biden official now taking the fifth Amendment rather than
answering questions.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Well, unfortunately that was quick.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
This is the second witness that we've brought in the
a subpoena for a deposition that has pled the fifth
and they've stated they're not going to answer questions. I
want to read the first two questions just so everyone knows.
These are the types of questions we asked, was Joe.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Biden fit to exercise the duties of the president?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He pled the fifth.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Second question, did any unelected official or family member execute
the duties of the presidency? And this is Joe Biden's
chief of staff.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Those are really very broad. Easily, I would argue, avoided
legal questions that he pled the fifth for again a
second figure buck, here is my reading of the Tea
leaves here.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't know this to be true. Let me be clear.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I feel like there may be somebody who is singing
like a canary inside of the Biden administration, because otherwise
the logic behind these guys taking the fifth doesn't add up.
He could just say no, there was no conspiracy. I
thought Joe Biden was perfectly fine to be president of
the United States. Those are his opinions. The fact that
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he's not waiting into it at all after the presidential
physician did not weigh in at all, makes me wonder
where are these guys thinking there is legal peril?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What are they afraid of? Because the history, as all.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Of you know, has been basically anybody in power can
do anything they want except for Trump, and there's charges
brought something.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Well, I was gonna say something to keep in mind
is that the precedent has been very clearly set. Uh.
They send Bannon to prison, they send Tomorrow to prison.
You know, the over over an executive privilege claim that
I think was entirely valid, and yet they sent them
to They actually made senior presidential advisors go to prison. So,
(37:24):
you know, Clay, on the one hand, it's deeply suspicious,
even though I know it's so funny. Whether you like
someone or not is what determines whether you like or
whether you defend their their use of the Fifth Amendment
as just the process or suspicious?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right it is? Uh, It's it's like, what is it?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think John hamm in uh in not The Departed,
the Town, the town you know in the movie with
uh with Ben Affleck about the bank robbers. Yes, he's
he plays an FBI guy and he says, he's like, look,
people who lawyer a upper guilty.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
That's what he says.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And you know, if you're the FBI guy, you maybe
think that, Uh, I think that on this issue, they
recognize that the Trump administration and Congress specifically in this case,
will make examples out of people who lie and they
don't know what other people are going to say about
what they knew and when they knew it. So the
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smart if Clay, let's take it to this level, if
you were their lawyer, if you were there their consolieri
on this one, for a Biden senior. Biden aid, wouldn't
you say no benefit in testifying plead the fifth?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Maybe? But this is why I think they know more
than we do publicly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Why the maybe though? Right?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Like, what possible upside for them? Could there be other
than causing legal jeopardy for themselves? They already look horrible
because Biden had dementia, and we all knew that they
hit it, and they all knew right, So there's the
reputational damage I think is already done.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I would actually, if I thought I had done nothing wrong,
I would actually want to sit down and go under
oath and tell you that all of the attacks are wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But you know what happened? They would ask them. They
would sit them down like this Burn burnall guy. They
would sit him down and they would say, you didn't
like you really didn't know that there was a problem here, buddy,
you didn't see him.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I get it. But he can just he can just
say no.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I think the story here, I think you would look
preposterous if he said no, though, is the problem? Like
he would look like a total clown and a joker
if he actually tried that. Now you don't think maybe,
but maybe but I think the story here is from
a legal perspective. I think they're afraid somebody's flipped. And
that is the legal peril, because if everybody just says, hey,
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all hands in the center of the ring, we're all
gonna say Biden was fit as a fiddle, and we're
just gonna ride or die on this forever. If everybody
agrees to lie and or give their impression that there
was nothing wrong with him, then the charade can continue.
But as soon as one guy or gal says, hey,
(40:00):
we had a meeting and somebody came in and said, hey,
here is the reality. We are going to say that
Biden is fit as a fiddle, even though we know
that to not be true. And we've got the doctor
who's gonna say every time, hey, I did a full
examination of him.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Everything's good.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
If one guy or gal comes out and says that,
just think about this buck. Think about the lunatic people.
On the jan sixth investigations. They put Cassie Hutchinson under oath.
I think that was her name, Cassidy maybe, and she
said yes, she said Trump tried to strangle the driver
of the beast. I mean, remember they had her under
(40:43):
oath saying that as hearsay that she supposedly had been
told from somebody else, and the media all ran and
covered it like it was the gospel truth. And Trump,
to his credit, came out and said, have you seen
the guys that.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Are actually in charge of protecting me?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
If I could strangle what they would not be back with,
you know, one flip of the wrist. But they were
able to flip some people to get them to say
something negative. So far that hasn't happened inside of the
Biden inner circle. I'm just saying the Fifth Amendment suggests
to me that there is some concern about legal peril.
I don't think it's related to how are you going
(41:20):
to look publicly. I think it's that they maybe have
somebody who is going to testify to the opposite of you,
and you could be in trouble if you get caught
a thwart that test.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, of course you always put the whole you plead
the fifth because of the possibility of legal power, right,
you avoid self incrimination.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So yeah, that's that's a given.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I think the question is why why wouldn't you know?
Why would for them? From their perspective, there's nothing Let me.
Let me ask you this. There's no outside from them
testifying about this, because they're going to look like liars
and clowns no matter what, even if they're not prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
That's my contention. I can see that argument. Vauchi ever
take the Fifth on anything? Nobody I do that he did.
Fauci was very good at Ino.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, there were like a lot of data to look at,
and then he thought that as.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
A result, though, I think there are some people out
there that would still say Anthony Fauci is ra pat
just renewed.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
His call for Fauci to face DOJ prosecution. I think
that was like a couple of days ago. Yeah, I
think that's right, But I give credit. I don't know
that I've ever given credit to Fauci ever before. He
didn't take that Fifth Amendment out and he argued that
he had done nothing wrong. I'm surprised the Biden team
(42:40):
is not continuing to go down with SS Biden and saying, hey,
because now it's on the historical record, you've already you
know the die is cast, you were engaged in a
cover up. You might just lie and say he didn't
have any cognitive decline. All the way down. Now we
got another cut here, and I think Trump is right
(43:01):
about this. And Trump said, hey, this autopin thing, which
we have talked about some is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The New York Times dropped this story on Sunday, and
a lot of people have ignored it. But I do
think it is a big story. And listened to him saying, hey,
this is the story that should be getting a lot
of attention. Not Epstein, which is what he said just
a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
He didn't have a policy, some lunatic around the desk
kind of policy.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Whoever operated the autopen had a.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Policy, which is, by the way, I think the biggest scandal.
That's the scandal they should be talking about, not.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
The standle you should be talking about is the Autopen,
because I think it's the biggest scandal one of them
in American history.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
This is again for those of you who didn't read
this stuff. Biden did his first interview with The New
York Times in five years. May alarm bells go off
when I see Biden doing an interview with anybody that
they feel like they're in peril. If you go read
what he said to try to defend himself and during
the autopin thing, basically he had no idea who they
(44:07):
were pardoning. And I think this goes to the larger context,
which Comer is investigating right now, which is, hey, who
was actually president of the United States and who was
executing the authority. Think about how bad Biden is that
they wouldn't even let him just sign stuff, right this
guy they didn't trust to such an extent that they
(44:29):
were using auto pins on incredibly significant stuff. And I
think we had an audio clip of Trump saying, yeah, look,
the autopin in general is used, but it's usually used
when it's like, hey, a seven year old wrote in,
and you want to send him back a letter and
acknowledge that the seven year old was there. This is
how it's usually used, not for super significant things like pardons.
(44:51):
Trump has these signing ceremonies where he makes sure everybody
sees him sign significant stuff. I'm not saying he can't
ever use an autopin, but it shouldn't be for the
presidential pardons.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
We use this term the apparatus for the Democrats so
many times, and it seems that the apparatus was doing
the pardons. The collective, the top of the hive mind
inside the White House, because it wasn't Biden's mind. And
this is once again for anybody who says it's not
important or we should move on from that story, from
(45:24):
the Biden story, I just point out, if nothing else,
the American people should have a full accounting of how
dishonest the Democrats were in all respects about Biden and
how they're willing to trample on the rule of law
and the Constitution itself in the wielding of executive power.
And they should keep that in mind when the Democrats
are saying, oh, put us in charge will be better
on healthcare or something in the midterms. This stuff matters.
(45:47):
It does matter. Their record matters. Because we also talk
about how Trump is doing phenomenal in the economy and
the border and crime is going down and all these
great things. People need to be reminded because the greatest
asset the Democrats have is the public ignorance of how
they actually govern. That's the biggest thing that helps Democrats.
So we don't want to let that be an asset
(46:07):
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ago about what happened when Jade Vance went with his
family to disney Land, and for a second I didn't
hear the land part. I just thought, think of Disney.
I was like, there's no way that a random crowd
would be booing JD Vance in my great state of Florida.
That just wouldn't That wouldn't happen. The Florida Sun would
immediately melt them if they tried such a thing. We
(47:39):
don't allow that kind of nonsense in this great state
of Florida. But in California, Commifornia, unfortunately, this stuff, this
stuff is able to fly. And some of you are
particularly you know, fired up about this, so we'll get
to yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
I just think this is something that connects with a
lot of parents out there. I mean, the idea I
think you have to be I'm just gonna be honest,
a really awful person to see someone with their young kids.
I mean we're talking about I think his kids are
like three and five ballpark, and even younger, like a one.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Year old or something.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
To see somebody with several young kids at disney Land.
I do agree with you that they probably should have
gone to Disney World. I think the people there are
likely to have been more hospitable to them than the
people in Disneyland politically, but you shouldn't do this anywhere, right.
I mean, look, I think that Hunter Biden is a awful
drug addicted, ying, conniving. I mean, I could put a
(48:39):
lot of bad adges in front of him. He has
a young kid. If you saw him in line for
I don't know, mister Toad's wild Ride and you started
yelling at him when he was there with his three
year old, I think you would be the contrete jerk.
That's indefensible, and I disagree with I think the guy
has been awful, right.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Like, by the way, Joe Biden's a great So there's
no same thing.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There's no excuse for people will try to sell, they'll
try to justify. Leftist were justifying this for a while
in the first Trump administration when remember member Senator Ted
Cruz had maniacs surround him in a restaurant in DC,
and I think the restaurant actually to its to its
enduring credit. It was like embarrassed, told the told the
(49:23):
protesters to leave invited center cruise back and said, you know,
we don't want any of that nonsensor.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I think that's how it went down.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
But also Sarah Huckabee was harassed at a restaurant, and
that restaurant actually was backing the protester. So this was
a thing they we're doing, And they kept acting the left,
you know, the activist the MSNBC crowd kept saying, Oh,
we have to get up in people's faces and and
and have our voices be heard. Like never in human
history has it been easier to tell a public official
(49:49):
what you think or to have your voice be heard.
If you're shouting at somebody in public, generally it's because
you're trying to intimidate or embarrass them. It has nothing
to do with having your concerns heard. And if you're
doing it in front of someone's kids or their family,
you're a jerk.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
You're a jerk.
Speaker 7 (50:07):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
I think it's very very straightforward on the good news
side of things.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
When it comes to immigration.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Stephen Miller, he is, you know, if the open Border's
crowd was choosing the form of their destructor, I think
they I think it would be Stephen Miller who is
the destructor of open borders and the madness. Here he
is standing up for ICE officers and pointing out that
day in and day out with the enforcement operations that
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these officers are doing in communities. But there are a
lot of illegals and a lot of illegal criminals, right,
I mean, I know that's sort of a weird way
to say it, but illegal status and they're committing crimes. Right,
So people who are doing bad things and they're never
supposed to be we weren't supposed to be here in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Here's Stephen Miller play four.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
The rhetoric from Governor Newsom, the rhetoric from Karen Bass,
the rhetoric from Democrat Lears in Washington is directly encouraging
and incentivizing murderous migrant mobs to attack ICE officers. When
they describe ICE officers these heroes as some kind of
fascist force, some kind of a Gestapo force, they are
using the language that is meant to justify violence. Ice
(51:15):
officers are literally, in real time, liberating American communities, once peaceful,
once idyllic American communities from an invasion force. I cannot
imagine a nobler and more righteous activity for any American
to do than to go into these communities, face off
against hostile mobs, and literally free them from the forces
(51:36):
of destruction and violence.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
He's the best man just always on it, never backs down,
an inch knows the mission, totally dedicated to it. Tom
Holman and Stephen Miller are dynamic duo sitting atop a
core mission of this Trump administration totally.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
And you mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I think we had this conversation and Steven has said
it on the show. Stephen Miller sees what happened to California,
where he was born and raised, and he has terrified
that it's going to happen to the whole nation and
he is going to do everything in his power to
try to keep that from continuing to occur. And I
think one of the big differences between Trump one point
(52:21):
zero and Trump two point zero, and we've talked about
this a lot, is the quality of advisors and the
people who can get things done that Trump has surrounding
him now. I think Trump would say, and he has
said on this program. Before Trump one point zero, he
didn't really know what he was getting into. He wasn't
a politician. He didn't understand the opposition that he was
going to face in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
To his agenda.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You can look at the first six months, there have
been very very few policy based errors that this administration
has had in the first six months of this tenure
compared to the first six months of the last tenure.
And I think it's important for us to keep echoing
and keep reinforcing and for many of you out there
to recognize the border is shut down. I saw that
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the fewest border encounters number just came out yesterday, Buck,
I think since two thousand and three. So it's not
only that people aren't getting across, it's that a lot
of people haven't realized you're not going to get across,
and so they're not even trying to come anymore. Fewest
in a generation at the border. Crime. Again, I don't
want to jinx this, but murder rates all over the
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country are collapsing as police are being enabled to do
their jobs and actually make us safe all across the nation.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
And all time record has on.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Stock prices and inflation, as we talked about to start
off the show today, came in below expert expectations again, economy,
border crime. Trump is delivering real consequential leadership that is
impacting everybody now on a day to day basis, and
it is incredibly successful. Now, are there still things that
can be better? Yes, every president and every administration can
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Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. A lot of news today and
we're going to break it all down for you.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Here's a story.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We have a media focus on this one. Let's take
a look here. PPI Producer Price Index inflation falls to
two point three percent lowist reading since September twenty twenty four.
Fifty fore casters in the Bloomberg survey. We're wrong on
this one. The tariffs. The bottom line here, the tariffs
not having the inflationary effect that we were all pulled
(00:40):
would happen, and not having the price rise effect that
we were all told would happen. So that seems like
a pretty big, pretty big deal.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The economy thing's going well. Another story that may get
some attention. And President Trump, just to be clear, we're
monitoring it. We have our monitors going, we have our
team pulling from it in real time time.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
President Trump is currently.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
In the Oval Office and he is actually guys, can
we join this live for a second here? Can we
try to join the president?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Let's find on a fire and betchair J.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Powell markets right, those are a report, but they're not true.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
What would be useful to know? Are you are you
committed to picking someone from the outside.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Are you going to interview individuals that so many people
that want that job.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have people that I've known a long time. They're
calling me begging for the job.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know what you need.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
They're a smart person with common sense, But you need
a very smart person for that job.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think it's so he's talking now about the FED chair,
which it looks like it is. Well, it is underway
that they're going to replace the FED share that process
has begun, rates coming down. Well, the economy could be
just so fantastic, Clay, it's already strong, already looking good,
already proving his critics wrong on tariffs. Another story that
may get some attention. Here a truth from President Trump.
(01:58):
And he was just asked about We're gonna bring you
that SoundBite here momentarily. But this, Clay, is is what
the President wrote, and I am I'm just gonna read it.
I'm gonna read it for this is from the President
the United States, from his official account. The radical left
Democrats have hit pay dirt. Again, just like with the
fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying fifty one
(02:20):
intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, which the dem swar
had come from Russia, No, it came from Hunter's bathroom,
and even the Russia Russia Russia scam itself totally fake,
made up store used in order to hide Crooked Hillary's
big loss in the twenty sixteen presidential election. These scams
and hoaxes are all Democrats are good at. It's all
they have. They're no good at governing, no good at policy.
Their new scam is what we will forever call the
(02:42):
Jeffrey Epstein hoax. And my past supporters have bought into
this BS he didn't write, BS, hook line, and sinker.
They haven't learned their lesson and probably never will. Even
after being conned by the lunatic left for eight long years.
I've had more success than six months than perhaps any
president in our history. Democrats are starved for things. The
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success Democrats are starved for is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Make America great again? Clay, what do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Make it? I don't understand why he keeps talking about it.
I mean, if you truly feel like, this story is
not a story.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The number one thing to do is just move on and.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Not talk about it, because this is, to me the
equivalent of a scab that Trump keeps ripping off. And
every time this happens, we get deluged with people that
are really upset with Trump over the way that he's
handling this. And I'm leaving aside the Epstein story for
the moment and purely talking about the communication associated with this. Okay,
(03:49):
so this is not Epstein based. It's been awful, Just
gonna be candid. Pam Bondi has been a disaster on this.
The fact that she gave all those influencers a Jeffrey
Epstein binder, the fact that she said that the Epstein
files were on her desk. I understand why that set
forth the expectation that there were going to be substantial
(04:13):
results as a result of those public comments. And then
what is it ten days ago?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Ish they walk it back in a Sunday night post.
If I remember correctly a release, buck, you can correct
me in the team, you can correct me on the dates,
because everything kind of runs together. And now here we
are two weeks later, and Trump continues to post about it.
I think he's upset that he is getting criticism on
this front. I think that Trump feels that he has
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done nothing wrong and that Epstein is old news.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
He killed himself six years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Democrats had this story for years that they could have
done something with in the Biden administration. They didn't, and
I think he believes that this is a manu factured
hoax of a story. I think he's being honest with
his expectations.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's not going away.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And this is where again I'm addressing directly the management
related to it. We had the poor, I think handling
of the initial situation by Attorney General Bondi. We then
had last week the report that Dan Bongino was basically
at loggerheads with the Attorney General's office and potentially was
going to leave. That seems to have been diffused. I
(05:29):
thought this story was kind of put to bed. I
woke up this morning in Atlanta, and the number one
thing that's echoing all over the social media universe this
morning was Trump deciding to go after the Epstein story
again and tell anybody that basically doesn't believe him, hey, go,
you know, I'm done with you.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So that we have he was just asked about this
minutes ago, and so as we were coming on air,
he was mid answer. So we wanted to give you
the full answer. President Trump in the Oval Office with
a bab rainey Prime Minister Press gaggle goes right to Epstein.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Here's what he said. We're going to play the full answer.
Listen in.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I know you want to.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Move past all this entry lord, the Epstein files, but
I do want to ask you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
To clarify something you said this morning. You said this
was all a hoax. Has your turn each other told
you this was a hoax? What evidence have you?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
It's not the Attorney General, No, I know, it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats. It's been run by the Democrats
for four years. You had Christopher Ray and these characters
and call me before him, and it's a bad group.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It started.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Actually look at the Steele Dussier that turned out to
be a total hoax. The fifty one agents, the intelligence
so called intelligence agents.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
It was a hoax.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats,
and some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net.
And so they try and do the Democrats work. The
Democrats are good for nothing other than these oakses.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
They're bad for policy.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
They're bad for picking candidates they can get elected. No, No,
it's I call it the Epstein hooks. Takes a lot
of time and effort. Instead of talking about the great
achievements we've had.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
A great gentleman yesterday.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
A's you know, went on CNBC and he made the
statement that Trump bago down is the greatest president of
all in the United States. And instead of talking about
the things we've achieved, We've had tremendous achievement, they're wasting
their time with a guy who obviously has some very
serious problems, who died three or four years ago.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I'd rather talk.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
About the success we have with the economy, the best
we've ever had, and all of the things we've done,
including in the middle least, I mean, you see it.
Instead they want to talk about the Epstein hooks. And
the sad part is it's people that are really doing
the Democrats work as stupid people.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Clay, This is not going to make the issue go away.
I don't think people who are still upset about the
whiplash over the promise versus the presentation, and that we
could all again. I don't want to go down the
Epstein rabbit hole right now. We could do that. I
mean people are doing that. You can do hours and
(08:06):
hours and hours on the Epstein case. But the way
this is being handled at this moment by the administration
has a lot of people scratching their heads and pretty frustrated.
And I think that frustration is completely fair.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Well, look, here's what I would say about the idea
of the Epstein hoax. I think it's an interesting idea,
and I think Trump probably does believe it. That this
is a continuation of the Russia collusion hoax, that this
is a continuation of the Steele dossier hoax, all these
things that Democrats were told, Hey, we're going to get
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Trump on this. He sees it as connected. Here's where
I would say the difference is unlike those and I
think you would sign off on this too, like just
making the analogy. There was no real crime committed related
to Russia. I know they got a couple of people
for lying to intelligence, you know, during interviews.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
That was the whole thing was a fabrication, a fantasy.
Nobody was harmed in the making of that movie. So
to speak. It was just all cra well. Trump was
harmed in the event. But I'm saying there was no
actual crime, there was no murder, there was no nothing,
nothing happened.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
We know there were yeah, we know there were crimes
related to Epstein. Right, So unlike Russia collusion, where it
is I think manufactured out of whole cloth. I don't
think anybody out there saying, hey, Jeffrey Epstein, j Elaine Maxwell,
they were totally innocent. This was manufactured. There's nothing associated
with it. Now, I and I get people are fired
(09:38):
up about this.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I actually think that if.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
You look at the logic, if you look at the logic,
I don't buy that there's tons of information that they
are refusing to give to the American public. I think
that might be the frustration of Trump. That is why
to me, and I think I said this last week,
the only way to handle this is either one just
move on, just say hey, we got a disference of opinions.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
We're not going to solve this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But we're not seeing that right because the President put
out the statement that he did today. He just had
that statement that we played for you in the Oval Office.
And so the second one is I think you have
to just put out everything that you have.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Now, here's the challenge.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
As you well know this, Buck, whatever they put out,
there are going to be people who say they're still
holding things back. This is not all of it, right,
So the challenge you're in now is everyone who believes
that this is a massive, huge scandal that is decades
in the history, right building. They're not suddenly going to
(10:43):
believe if you give them a binder and push it
out publicly. And again, I don't know who advised Pambondi, Buck,
we said this when this happened, Giving those influencers the binders,
the trapper keepers, whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It made it seem like a clown show. And there's
nothing funny about any of the stuff that is being said.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Who in the world, if you or I have been
asked a question about this, I've been involved in investigations, right,
I've done criminal defense work. Who in the world said, hey,
we should give these guys, these influencers, a binder and
call it part one? Right, There's not very often Epstein
files part one. There's not very often you call something
(11:23):
part one, and part two never comes, right. So the
lack of fulfilled expectations here is real. I get why
people are super frustrated. I just don't get why Trump,
if he truly thinks this is not a significant story,
you stop talking about things that you think are insignificant
and you move on to other things. And he does
have an incredible story on six months of the economy,
(11:44):
on the border, on crime, as we have talked about
on this show. I think he's got the best six
months of tangible results of any president in my life.
But when you put out that post this morning and
then you get, as you would expect, a question like
this in the Oval office, I don't know what he
expects the new site goal of the day to be
other than what we started off the show talking about,
(12:04):
which is what everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And part of the problem is that there are a
lot of senior government people who said that there was
a lot going on with Epstein in the run up
to this election, and now some of those same individuals
are saying everything is fine, there's nothing I mean meaning,
there's nothing further to show or share, and I just
don't think that's going to fly. I think people are
(12:27):
going to continue to be very agitated about this. So
I had said they should do a press conference where
they just address with clarity, because when you say things
like the Epstein hoax, Okay, Epstein is not a hoax, obviously,
no one actually is holding Trump doesn't. No one's holding
the position that Epstein wasn't a serial sex criminal over
(12:49):
decades and did horrible things. No one takes that position.
The part of it that he's saying is a hoax
is that there is a and I'm doing some Trump
translation here, but the notion that they're actually is a
list of people who committed crimes or proof of those
people committing crimes, not going to release, just a general
(13:09):
covering of all allegations, even those that were unsubstantiated, et cetera.
I think that's what the position of the administration is,
I think, and I just wish they would make that
more clear because this tweet and I just look, we're
just reading to you what the president is saying. I'm
not the president. Clay's not the president. He's saying, shut up,
there's nothing to see. I don't want to answer any
(13:31):
more questions about this. And if you still fall, if
you still want answers on this, you're playing into the
Democrats hands. That's what he's saying. He's and he's using
a little profanity and he's done with it. So take
that with as you will. I would advise not to
go in that direction. No one's asking me, well, some people,
but the president's not asking me. I would say, address
(13:52):
it with clarity and openness, and if there is anything
more to be shared than what has already been shared,
share it, redact what is necessary, explain those reactions now.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
President Trump is saying even that position is not helpful
and as bad right now, I disagree, right, I mean,
that's he can he's the president.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
He can say what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
But I think that to make this go away, it
would be better to have that transparency. So but I
don't get to make the call. The president does, and
that's where this is.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
I also think the more you talk about it, the
more people think there's something to it. I mean, I'm
just gonna be honest, like, if you keep telling, I mean,
in your own lives, step away. If somebody keeps talking
about something with you and forces you to constantly marinate
in it, we're going to break here, and we'll take
some of your calls and we'll take some of your reactions.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Again.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Uh, this is going to be the story that comes out.
I think the Jerome Powell stuff is far more significant today.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I want to play the gentleman who said Trump might
have the greatest presidency ever because I agree, because I
think Trump is absolutely I don't want to talk about
this stuff at all, but here we are, all right. Look,
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many of you do, you're probably very distressed by what's
going on. Yes, we had the Supreme Court victory that
overturned Roe v. Wade, but there's abortions happening all over
(15:14):
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to hear from all of you about the subjects of
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into some of that. We'll also bring you more from
the Trump presser that just was going on in the
Oval Office a few moments. It might actually still I'm
paying at ten to the radio show we're doing. Is
it's still going on. It could be, but Trump is
definitely addressing that, it has been addressing the nation taking questions.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So we'll dive into some of that.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
But he mentioned this, and I saw this this morning,
Ken Langone, who is the Home Depot founder, a very
wealthy guy and a guy who understands business. You know,
I got to say He's going on TV and he's
basically saying, maya Colpa. I was wrong about my concerns
(17:30):
about the Trump presidency. Not only was I wrong about it,
but I have to say that this may be the
best presidency in my lifetime. And you know, he's an
older guy. And here is exactly I wanted you hear this.
This is what a place he a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I feel like, oh yeah, talk to me and founded
where I'm from in Atlanta Home Depot where I'm broadcasting
from right now. Home Depot one of the great American companies,
And yeah, this guy is swimming in billions of dollars
and kind of understands maybe better than most retailers because
so much of what he sells is predicated on construction,
(18:09):
which gives you a good indication of how the growth
of the economy is going. But yeah, this was an
incredible endorsement that he gave this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Look, I'm going to tell you right now, I am
sold on Trump. In fact, I'll say this, I think
you've got a good shot at going down in history
as one of our best presidents.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
E That is a real turnaround because you didn't want
to vote for him.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I told you the reason.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
I want to tell you, I'm a believer. What I'm
seeing happening is is absolutely nothing short.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Of a great thing. And there's a beat.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
People are walking with more bounds than there.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's all around. I think that's all true. He went on.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He went on at some length there just to talk
about how much Trump is Let's just say it's just
kicking ass with the economy.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And with the border, and do it.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
We talk about the difficulties as well as the victories here,
but let's not forget those victories and I think he's
doing a phenomenal job in the economy. The fact that
once again he had essentially all of the as we say,
the consensus right the economy is saying, oh my gosh,
you can't do this tariff thing. Tariffs haven't raised prices
and are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars to
the treasury, and it hasn't done the terrible things that
(19:19):
that we were told we're going to happen, despite so
many people saying it. So Clay at some level, I'll
put this out there. I understand his frustration because anything
that's not this that affects three hundred fifty million people
to Trump right now, I believe he does view as
something of a distraction. So I get that he's frustrated
(19:40):
because the administration is doing on the big things that
matter with the economy. I think we could all agree
that phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Job so far, not only the economy, economy, border crime,
which is what he ran on as his foremost you know,
three tenth polls that he was focused on. I think
he is delivered in a massive way on all three
of those, and I give credit. Look, one of the things,
if I could go back in time. One of the
things I wish I could do is I wish we
gave as much credit to people for.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Admitting when they're wrong as we do when they're.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right, because admitting when you're wrong on something is I
think a sign of intellectual health and growth. I'm wrong
on things all the time. When we're wrong on this show,
we try to come on and correct and we've been
wrong about a lot of things, as everybody is, especially
when you're in the prediction game. But what I love
about business guys and gals in general, ultimately it all
(20:33):
boils down to what the data shows them right. And
this home Depot founder said like, Hey, I wasn't a
Trump guy. I was not a big believer in Trump,
and he now is seeing through the data that the
economy is producing that he might well have been wrong.
And he's going on and saying what I think is true,
which is Trump has had one of the greatest six
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months of any president ever.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I get why Trump would be frustrated because there are
distractions from that. What I would say to Trump is,
and if you ask me, I would tell him this
you face to face, Hey, you're creating some of the
distractions from your super significant successes, because as soon as
you set down and decided to draft something on Epstein,
it's going to take away from other things that I
(21:18):
think are more consequential. Inflation below expectations is a huge deal.
Jerome Powell not lowering rates is a huge deal for
you and me and everybody out there that has a home,
that has a mortgage, that's buying a vehicle, that's paying
interest rates. They have cut rates seven eight times in
the EU, I believe in the last year or so,
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we haven't done it hardly at all here. And so look,
is it a coincidence that Jerome Powell cut rates right
before the election? I don't think so. He was trying
to help Joe Biden. So the idea, in my opinion,
the idea that he's in a political economic steward, I
don't believe is true.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
True.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And look, I mean, the economists are wrong over and
over and over again. I believe this is five straight
months where their inflation expectations have been higher than what
the results have been. And so look, to me, that's
the story. The economy is starting to roar. We need
to have more steam. More steam would be lower interest
(22:21):
rates that would help get the growth rate up. Fuck,
we just hit a surplus in June. It's like nobody
even noticed it. How much time have we spent talking about, Hey,
we got to balance the budget, we got to make
sure that we're not spending more. Now I know that
it's not going to happen every month. I would love,
by the way, if the economy got roaring so much
that it did happen. If the tariffs ended up having
the impact that Trump believes that they might, that would
(22:42):
be an incredible outcome. But the fact that we actually
didn't borrow money in June for one of the first
times in years that we balance the budget, I believe
had a twenty seven billion dollar surplus that should be.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Screamed for the heavens. No, there was I bet there.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Wasn't a single economist in the country that's said, if
you asked them, hey, will there be a budget surplus
in any month in twenty twenty five during the Trump administration.
I bet there wasn't one single forecast of that occurring,
And it's already happened in six months. Gas price is
four year lows. The overall stock market prices. If you've
got a four oh one k record highs. All of
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these things are great, but you've got to be disciplined
on the messaging. And I think one, the media is
not going to want to give Trump a lot of credit. Two,
they're going to follow conflicting chaos. So if you sow
conflict in chaos in any way in your messaging, then
you're going to create, I think, a continued storyline which
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suggests that you haven't been as successful as you have.
And I think that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think that the more that people see the economy
and the trajectory overall of it as well, the more
understanding they'll be, And maybe even people coming out and
admitting that the choice between mean Trump and Kamala for
the economy, how could they even be a choice? How
could anybody any person think? Oh, yes, I wanted Kamala
(24:09):
Harris to be making the dis Kamala Harris couldn't couldn't
run a you know, a food stand.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Somewhere's no idea kind of run a profitable lemonade stand.
I like what kids do in the neighborhood. I don't
think Kamala she never run a business. I don't think
she'd be able to do it. By the way, Larry
and Thomasville has a good uh theory here. And by
the way, have we reached out ally to Alan Dershowitz
to ask if he will come on and talk about
some of these things.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Okay, let's do that today.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, here is Larry who wants to talk some about
Alan Dershwitz.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Listen, yes, uh, like derhis said said this weekend, it's
not Trump's d OJ and the FBI of Trump that
is doing the suppression of this evidence. It's a southern
district in New York and the previous administration's fault for
that and probably summoned South flows part of where the
previous trial was. Some evidence was probably suppressed there. But
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they don't need to get Trump mad with his supporters.
His supporters do not blame Trump and his people. They
blamed the previous bunch.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
So I think this is a good call, and again
we'll reach out to Alan Dershowitz. This is why I'm focused.
There's two different stories to me. There is the Epstein story,
which has been I mean, it's twenty years in the making.
People have covered it at infinitum. There's lots of uncertainties.
Was the intelligence asset, was he not How substantial is
the larger ring of criminal perpetuity that surrounds him outside
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of Jelaane Maxwell and Epstein himself. All of those things.
You can dive into them, deep dives all those things.
I think there's also the messaging side, which is what
he's calling about. If Pam Bondi and Cash Mattel and
Dan Bongino and Trump, after reviewing all of these files,
had had a big press conference and they had answered
every question and they said, guys, we went over everything
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in here with a fine tooth.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Come.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
We are going to release as much as we possibly can.
And what we have uncovered here is there's nothing that
can be criminally charged against anybody else. We can't speak
to what evidence might have existed before. Certainly, if any
new evidence comes out, I think people I'm curious about
how you think of this would have gone, Buck. I
think people would have been upset, but I don't think
they would have had the expectation, based on the binders
(26:24):
and all the comments from Bondi that charges were coming
and there was going to be some grand revelation here.
It's managing communication wise, this story that I think has
been a failure beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Well, a huge problem has been.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
On the one side of the equation promising massive transparency. Look,
this is why I didn't like the Oh, the JFK files,
the MLK junior files. We're going to unseal those and
there's gonna be big things in there too, because there's
not I knew there wasn't in that. I know people
are now saying, oh, the CIA killed JFK.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Please, this is not something.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Maybe you can believe that, but that hasn't been proven
based on these new files that are out, and even
beyond that in those cases too, I just want to say, okay,
so what do we everybody involved would be dead, Like,
what would we even do about that even if that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Were theoretically true? But I don't want to. I know.
The problem is get to the point, and I think
this is important.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If there were truly earth shattering things in files on
JFK or RFK or any of those, the idea that
it would have stayed buried or not been destroyed for.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Fift what have been saying all along, Okay, anybody there
are people that have access that would know these things,
and they would have smuggled it out. Just think people
look at some of the stuff that has been leaked everybody.
I mean, I was in the CIA when the whole
Black Site thing was leaked. I mean, stuff that's supposed
to be kept really really secret has gotten to the press.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Big juicy stories get to the press. Now.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Now the Epstein thing is different because at different layers
of the Justice Department there have clear and it's recent.
There have been efforts. We're you know, we're talking about
the twenty nineteen radar this house. I mean, this is
recent stuff, right, This isn't fifty years of sitting in files.
People could see nobody cares anymore. And so when they
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say there's going to be a huge revelation and then
there's not, that's that's not good. That's that's a that's
a problem. And that's where a lot of this has
come from. So I understand, I get it. I just
other than just sitting around and speaking about the frustration,
we can advise what we think should happen, which is
make more stuff transparent, or make a do a press conference.
(28:33):
Beyond that, the people in charge of the people in charge,
and they determine what gets released.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We don't get you. We're not. I'm not sitting on
any documents. If I were, you would know.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I think the challenge that you're in now, and I'm
just being candid, is if you release every single file
in the entire Epstein file. I'm saying that that happens
a ton of people saying it's not enough, sure enough, right,
there is no way to satisfy the demand. And now
short of frog walking perpetrator style people out in handcuffs
associated with it.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, we got Todd in Louisville, Kentucky, wants to talk
to us about this. Todd, Let's let's go for it.
What do you got got?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
All?
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Right, guys, this couple angles a Trump. Here's what aggravated
me about all of it? And is Trump campaigned on
it mostciferously constant. We're going to get to the bottom
of it. Da da da da da Constant. Now, when
all their information when it came out, BONDI said there
was Bonjineo, there's an old there there the tail Bondy
come out, but the one that kind of killed me.
(29:34):
Because all of them are in, they're all instinct, and
I think they've done a wonderful job. I'm behind them
a million percent. This doesn't bother me at all, but
it's aggravating to me when I hear Trump when he
was asked a week and a half ago, what they're
still talking about that, like it's something that hadn't been
mentioned in five years. He just got off the campaign
(29:56):
trip for months talking about it, and just that to
say that the other angle, I love Trump. Hey, make
no mistake, Bongino, Patael and Bonding are appointed by Trump.
A lot of people said all that Bonzino knows he'll
come right out. No he won't because he knows that
Trump will drop the hammer.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
He can fire him.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
On the spot, get rid of him. I'm not saying
people would sacrifice their goodness. I'm just saying with putting
information out that ain't gonna matter here or there if
he tells them.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I think, thank you for the call. We got to
go to a break. But let me say this, and
I think Buck, you would sign off on that. I
agree with quite a lot of what he was saying.
But I do believe that Bongino Cash. I don't know
Pambondi well enough, but I think if those guys had
evidence of crimes that were being committed, and they were told, hey,
(30:52):
you can't prosecute people.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I think they would resign. I think they would leave.
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Speaker 1 (32:06):
All of you.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Hanging out with us. I'm down in Atlanta, Georgia. Fabulous
spot awesome All Star game last night that it ended
near midnight. For those of you who stayed up and watched,
it ended in a home run derby producer Ali said
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Speaker 1 (32:22):
She was in her gym. We are here, I am here.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I want to thank Atlanta's Extra one oh six point
three FM. They are our affiliate here in Atlanta, and
they do a fabulous job of hosting me one o
six point three FM. I know many of you have
been listening on that broadcast network, so we thank you.
Bucked is down in Miami. We broke down the latest
from the president's address with the media, basically a running
(32:49):
press conference he had for a long period of time.
I think we needed tally through July coming up at
the end of the month. I can't imagine that any
president has ever taken more questions from the media in
the first six months of his presidency than President Trump has.
And he has been weighing in on a variety of
(33:12):
different subjects. So I want to dive into some of
these that I believe are consequential, and I'm surprised this
isn't getting more attention, I really, because it's kind of unprecedented.
Was it earlier this week or last week? Team look
this up? I think it was last week that. In fact,
(33:32):
I'm pretty sure that it was Joe Biden's doctor took
the Fifth Amendment when he was asked about whether there
was a conspiracy to cover up the mental and physical
health of Joe Biden inside of the White House.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Took the Fifth Amendment.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Pretty I thought significant detail, and we talked about that
last week. But some people said, well, he's a doctor,
he's got the out of hippa, And I tried to
distinguished between a patient diagnosis and a doctor being told, hey,
no matter what your diagnosis is, wink wink, nudge, nudge,
(34:09):
this guy is going to be okay, right, that would
be a conspiracy potentially. Now, Anthony Bernall, and I know
Buck is disappointed in me, but I read all of
Original Sin and Anthony Bernall is a huge character in
this book because he is basically Jill Biden's personal staffer
(34:31):
who is in charge of messaging. And as you read
the book, is no great surprise that doctor Jill Biden
was among the most vociferous of Joe Biden's defenders and
constantly saying that he was fine and there were no issues.
And Anthony Bernall was sort of her eyes and ears
inside of all top White House meetings, and he was
(34:54):
often dictating policy.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He just took the fifth two they called him up
to capit.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
They asked him whether or not there had been a
conspiracy to protect Joe Biden, and he also took the
Fifth Amendment. Here is cut one. James Comer is hosting
these hearings. Here is what was said about yet another
top Biden official now taking the fifth Amendment rather than
answering questions.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Well, unfortunately that was quick.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
This is the second witness that we've brought in the
a subpoena for a deposition that has pled the fifth
and they've stated they're not going to answer questions. I
want to read the first two questions just so everyone knows.
These are the types of questions we asked, was Joe.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Biden fit to exercise the duties of the president?
Speaker 1 (35:43):
He pled the fifth.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Second question, did any unelected official or family member execute
the duties of the presidency? And this is Joe Biden's
chief of staff.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Those are really very broad. Easily, I would argue, avoided
legal questions that he pled the fifth for again a
second figure buck, here is my reading of the Tea
leaves here.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I don't know this to be true. Let me be clear.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I feel like there may be somebody who is singing
like a canary inside of the Biden administration, because otherwise
the logic behind these guys taking the fifth doesn't add up.
He could just say no, there was no conspiracy. I
thought Joe Biden was perfectly fine to be president of
the United States. Those are his opinions. The fact that
(36:38):
he's not waiting into it at all after the presidential
physician did not weigh in at all, makes me wonder
where are these guys thinking there is legal peril?
Speaker 1 (36:50):
What are they afraid of? Because the history, as all.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Of you know, has been basically anybody in power can
do anything they want except for Trump, and there's charges
brought something.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Well, I was gonna say something to keep in mind
is that the precedent has been very clearly set. Uh.
They send Bannon to prison, they send Tomorrow to prison.
You know, the over over an executive privilege claim that
I think was entirely valid, and yet they sent them
to They actually made senior presidential advisors go to prison. So,
(37:24):
you know, Clay, on the one hand, it's deeply suspicious,
even though I know it's so funny. Whether you like
someone or not is what determines whether you like or
whether you defend their their use of the Fifth Amendment
as just the process or suspicious?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Right it is? Uh, It's it's like, what is it?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think John hamm in uh in not The Departed,
the Town, the town you know in the movie with
uh with Ben Affleck about the bank robbers. Yes, he's
he plays an FBI guy and he says, he's like, look,
people who lawyer a upper guilty.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
That's what he says.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And you know, if you're the FBI guy, you maybe
think that, Uh, I think that on this issue, they
recognize that the Trump administration and Congress specifically in this case,
will make examples out of people who lie and they
don't know what other people are going to say about
what they knew and when they knew it. So the
(38:17):
smart if Clay, let's take it to this level, if
you were their lawyer, if you were there their consolieri
on this one, for a Biden senior. Biden aid, wouldn't
you say no benefit in testifying plead the fifth?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Maybe? But this is why I think they know more
than we do publicly.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Why the maybe though? Right?
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Like, what possible upside for them? Could there be other
than causing legal jeopardy for themselves? They already look horrible
because Biden had dementia, and we all knew that they
hit it, and they all knew right, So there's the
reputational damage I think is already done.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I would actually, if I thought I had done nothing wrong,
I would actually want to sit down and go under
oath and tell you that all of the attacks are wrong.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But you know what happened? They would ask them. They
would sit them down like this Burn burnall guy. They
would sit him down and they would say, you didn't
like you really didn't know that there was a problem here, buddy,
you didn't see him.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I get it. But he can just he can just
say no.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I think the story here, I think you would look
preposterous if he said no, though, is the problem? Like
he would look like a total clown and a joker
if he actually tried that. Now you don't think maybe,
but maybe but I think the story here is from
a legal perspective. I think they're afraid somebody's flipped. And
that is the legal peril, because if everybody just says, hey,
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all hands in the center of the ring, we're all
gonna say Biden was fit as a fiddle, and we're
just gonna ride or die on this forever. If everybody
agrees to lie and or give their impression that there
was nothing wrong with him, then the charade can continue.
But as soon as one guy or gal says, hey,
(40:00):
we had a meeting and somebody came in and said, hey,
here is the reality. We are going to say that
Biden is fit as a fiddle, even though we know
that to not be true. And we've got the doctor
who's gonna say every time, hey, I did a full
examination of him.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Everything's good.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
If one guy or gal comes out and says that,
just think about this buck. Think about the lunatic people.
On the jan sixth investigations. They put Cassie Hutchinson under oath.
I think that was her name, Cassidy maybe, and she
said yes, she said Trump tried to strangle the driver
of the beast. I mean, remember they had her under
(40:43):
oath saying that as hearsay that she supposedly had been
told from somebody else, and the media all ran and
covered it like it was the gospel truth. And Trump,
to his credit, came out and said, have you seen
the guys that.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Are actually in charge of protecting me?
Speaker 3 (41:00):
If I could strangle what they would not be back with,
you know, one flip of the wrist. But they were
able to flip some people to get them to say
something negative. So far that hasn't happened inside of the
Biden inner circle. I'm just saying the Fifth Amendment suggests
to me that there is some concern about legal peril.
I don't think it's related to how are you going
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to look publicly. I think it's that they maybe have
somebody who is going to testify to the opposite of you,
and you could be in trouble if you get caught
a thwart that test.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, of course you always put the whole you plead
the fifth because of the possibility of legal power, right,
you avoid self incrimination.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
So yeah, that's that's a given.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I think the question is why why wouldn't you know?
Why would for them? From their perspective, there's nothing Let me.
Let me ask you this. There's no outside from them
testifying about this, because they're going to look like liars
and clowns no matter what, even if they're not prosecuted.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
That's my contention. I can see that argument. Vauchi ever
take the Fifth on anything? Nobody I do that he did.
Fauci was very good at Ino.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, there were like a lot of data to look at,
and then he thought that as.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
A result, though, I think there are some people out
there that would still say Anthony Fauci is ra pat
just renewed.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
His call for Fauci to face DOJ prosecution. I think
that was like a couple of days ago. Yeah, I
think that's right, But I give credit. I don't know
that I've ever given credit to Fauci ever before. He
didn't take that Fifth Amendment out and he argued that
he had done nothing wrong. I'm surprised the Biden team
(42:40):
is not continuing to go down with SS Biden and saying, hey,
because now it's on the historical record, you've already you
know the die is cast, you were engaged in a
cover up. You might just lie and say he didn't
have any cognitive decline. All the way down. Now we
got another cut here, and I think Trump is right
(43:01):
about this. And Trump said, hey, this autopin thing, which
we have talked about some is a big deal.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
The New York Times dropped this story on Sunday, and
a lot of people have ignored it. But I do
think it is a big story. And listened to him saying, hey,
this is the story that should be getting a lot
of attention. Not Epstein, which is what he said just
a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Listen to this.
Speaker 4 (43:22):
He didn't have a policy, some lunatic around the desk
kind of policy.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Whoever operated the autopen had a.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
Policy, which is, by the way, I think the biggest scandal.
That's the scandal they should be talking about, not.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
The standle you should be talking about is the Autopen,
because I think it's the biggest scandal one of them
in American history.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
This is again for those of you who didn't read
this stuff. Biden did his first interview with The New
York Times in five years. May alarm bells go off
when I see Biden doing an interview with anybody that
they feel like they're in peril. If you go read
what he said to try to defend himself and during
the autopin thing, basically he had no idea who they
(44:07):
were pardoning. And I think this goes to the larger context,
which Comer is investigating right now, which is, hey, who
was actually president of the United States and who was
executing the authority. Think about how bad Biden is that
they wouldn't even let him just sign stuff, right this
guy they didn't trust to such an extent that they
(44:29):
were using auto pins on incredibly significant stuff. And I
think we had an audio clip of Trump saying, yeah, look,
the autopin in general is used, but it's usually used
when it's like, hey, a seven year old wrote in,
and you want to send him back a letter and
acknowledge that the seven year old was there. This is
how it's usually used, not for super significant things like pardons.
(44:51):
Trump has these signing ceremonies where he makes sure everybody
sees him sign significant stuff. I'm not saying he can't
ever use an autopin, but it shouldn't be for the
presidential pardons.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
We use this term the apparatus for the Democrats so
many times, and it seems that the apparatus was doing
the pardons. The collective, the top of the hive mind
inside the White House, because it wasn't Biden's mind. And
this is once again for anybody who says it's not
important or we should move on from that story, from
(45:24):
the Biden story, I just point out, if nothing else,
the American people should have a full accounting of how
dishonest the Democrats were in all respects about Biden and
how they're willing to trample on the rule of law
and the Constitution itself in the wielding of executive power.
And they should keep that in mind when the Democrats
are saying, oh, put us in charge will be better
on healthcare or something in the midterms. This stuff matters.
(45:47):
It does matter. Their record matters. Because we also talk
about how Trump is doing phenomenal in the economy and
the border and crime is going down and all these
great things. People need to be reminded because the greatest
asset the Democrats have is the public ignorance of how
they actually govern. That's the biggest thing that helps Democrats.
So we don't want to let that be an asset
(46:07):
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stuff is able to fly. And some of you are
particularly you know, fired up about this, so we'll get
to yes, sir.
Speaker 3 (47:57):
I just think this is something that connects with a
lot of parents out there. I mean, the idea I
think you have to be I'm just gonna be honest,
a really awful person to see someone with their young kids.
I mean we're talking about I think his kids are
like three and five ballpark, and even younger, like a one.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Year old or something.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
To see somebody with several young kids at disney Land.
I do agree with you that they probably should have
gone to Disney World. I think the people there are
likely to have been more hospitable to them than the
people in Disneyland politically, but you shouldn't do this anywhere, right.
I mean, look, I think that Hunter Biden is a awful
drug addicted, ying, conniving. I mean, I could put a
(48:39):
lot of bad adges in front of him. He has
a young kid. If you saw him in line for
I don't know, mister Toad's wild Ride and you started
yelling at him when he was there with his three
year old, I think you would be the contrete jerk.
That's indefensible, and I disagree with I think the guy
has been awful, right.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Like, by the way, Joe Biden's a great So there's
no same thing.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
There's no excuse for people will try to sell, they'll
try to justify. Leftist were justifying this for a while
in the first Trump administration when remember member Senator Ted
Cruz had maniacs surround him in a restaurant in DC,
and I think the restaurant actually to its to its
enduring credit. It was like embarrassed, told the told the
(49:23):
protesters to leave invited center cruise back and said, you know,
we don't want any of that nonsensor.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
I think that's how it went down.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
But also Sarah Huckabee was harassed at a restaurant, and
that restaurant actually was backing the protester. So this was
a thing they we're doing, And they kept acting the left,
you know, the activist the MSNBC crowd kept saying, Oh,
we have to get up in people's faces and and
and have our voices be heard. Like never in human
history has it been easier to tell a public official
(49:49):
what you think or to have your voice be heard.
If you're shouting at somebody in public, generally it's because
you're trying to intimidate or embarrass them. It has nothing
to do with having your concerns heard. And if you're
doing it in front of someone's kids or their family,
you're a jerk.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
You're a jerk.
Speaker 7 (50:07):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
I think it's very very straightforward on the good news
side of things.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
When it comes to immigration.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Stephen Miller, he is, you know, if the open Border's
crowd was choosing the form of their destructor, I think
they I think it would be Stephen Miller who is
the destructor of open borders and the madness. Here he
is standing up for ICE officers and pointing out that
day in and day out with the enforcement operations that
(50:37):
these officers are doing in communities. But there are a
lot of illegals and a lot of illegal criminals, right,
I mean, I know that's sort of a weird way
to say it, but illegal status and they're committing crimes. Right,
So people who are doing bad things and they're never
supposed to be we weren't supposed to be here in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Here's Stephen Miller play four.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
The rhetoric from Governor Newsom, the rhetoric from Karen Bass,
the rhetoric from Democrat Lears in Washington is directly encouraging
and incentivizing murderous migrant mobs to attack ICE officers. When
they describe ICE officers these heroes as some kind of
fascist force, some kind of a Gestapo force, they are
using the language that is meant to justify violence. Ice
(51:15):
officers are literally, in real time, liberating American communities, once peaceful,
once idyllic American communities from an invasion force. I cannot
imagine a nobler and more righteous activity for any American
to do than to go into these communities, face off
against hostile mobs, and literally free them from the forces
(51:36):
of destruction and violence.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
He's the best man just always on it, never backs down,
an inch knows the mission, totally dedicated to it. Tom
Holman and Stephen Miller are dynamic duo sitting atop a
core mission of this Trump administration totally.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
And you mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
I think we had this conversation and Steven has said
it on the show. Stephen Miller sees what happened to California,
where he was born and raised, and he has terrified
that it's going to happen to the whole nation and
he is going to do everything in his power to
try to keep that from continuing to occur. And I
think one of the big differences between Trump one point
(52:21):
zero and Trump two point zero, and we've talked about
this a lot, is the quality of advisors and the
people who can get things done that Trump has surrounding
him now. I think Trump would say, and he has
said on this program. Before Trump one point zero, he
didn't really know what he was getting into. He wasn't
a politician. He didn't understand the opposition that he was
going to face in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
To his agenda.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You can look at the first six months, there have
been very very few policy based errors that this administration
has had in the first six months of this tenure
compared to the first six months of the last tenure.
And I think it's important for us to keep echoing
and keep reinforcing and for many of you out there
to recognize the border is shut down. I saw that
(53:03):
the fewest border encounters number just came out yesterday, Buck,
I think since two thousand and three. So it's not
only that people aren't getting across, it's that a lot
of people haven't realized you're not going to get across,
and so they're not even trying to come anymore. Fewest
in a generation at the border. Crime. Again, I don't
want to jinx this, but murder rates all over the
(53:25):
country are collapsing as police are being enabled to do
their jobs and actually make us safe all across the nation.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
And all time record has on.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Stock prices and inflation, as we talked about to start
off the show today, came in below expert expectations again, economy,
border crime. Trump is delivering real consequential leadership that is
impacting everybody now on a day to day basis, and
it is incredibly successful. Now, are there still things that
can be better? Yes, every president and every administration can
(53:58):
all be better always at what they're doing. But this
has become pretty phenomenal to watch through the first six months.
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