Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Jul 17 2025

Clay: Sorry, NY

The Senate’s landmark vote to defund PBS and NPR, a conservative goal that has been decades in the making. Clay and Buck frame this as a generational shift in media accountability, pending final approval from the House. The rise of Zohran Mamdani, a New York City mayoral candidate whose far-left platform includes abolishing private property and implementing socialist economic reforms. Clay and Buck debate whether Republicans should strategically allow Mamdani to win, arguing that his radicalism could serve as a wake-up call for voters and galvanize GOP turnout in the 2026 midterms. They suggest that Democrats embracing Mamdani could backfire nationally, especially in swing districts.

The Audience Weighs In

Calls and emails split between defending New York City and supporting Clay’s provocative idea of “sacrificing” NYC to expose Democratic extremism. The hosts also highlight Elizabeth Warren’s public distancing from Mamdani, interpreting it as a sign of internal Democratic discomfort with his ideology.

Alan Dershowitz on Epstein 

Alan Dershowitz joins the show to discuss the Jeffrey Epstein case, recent developments in the DOJ, and media misinformation. Dershowitz defends Trump against claims of involvement in Epstein’s crimes, asserting there is no credible evidence linking Trump to any wrongdoing. He also debunks conspiracy theories about Epstein’s ties to Israeli intelligence, calling them baseless and antisemitic. Dershowitz advocates for full transparency in the Epstein files, including both accusations and exculpatory evidence, to ensure fairness in public judgment.

TN Sen. Marsha Blackburn

Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, offering deep insights into the latest conservative legislative victories and political developments. The hour opens with Blackburn discussing the Senate’s advancement of a major rescission package, which includes efforts to defund NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting—an initiative dating back to the Reagan era. She highlights the elimination of wasteful federal spending, such as funding for vegan food in Zambia and electric buses in Rwanda, projecting a potential $90 billion in savings over a decade.

The conversation shifts to President Trump’s early-term accomplishments, with Blackburn praising his swift action on the economy, border security, and crime. She emphasizes his commitment to promises made, including securing the southern border, reducing inflation, and rebuilding the military. The hosts and Blackburn also discuss the “No Tax on Tips” bill and a proposed $6,000 annual Social Security tax deduction for seniors, framing these as key components of the GOP’s 2024 platform.

Judicial appointments take center stage as Blackburn details the contentious confirmation of Emil Bove to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Despite Democratic opposition due to Bove’s past legal defense of Trump, Republicans pushed the nomination through committee. Blackburn criticizes Democrats for obstructing judicial and law enforcement appointments, urging the GOP to push confirmations forward without delay.

The hour also explores Tennessee’s economic success, with Blackburn crediting the state’s constitutional ban on income tax and fiscally conservative governance for attracting businesses and residents. She contrasts this with the rise of far-left politics in cities like New York, referencing the candidacy of Zohran Mamdani and warning of the dangers of socialist policies.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clay. Have you heard of the Rio Reset?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck, it.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.
The formal name is BRICKS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's an understatement.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
their sway in the global financial order.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Can he give us some inside intel?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact, a
major theme at the summit is how Bricks Nations aim
to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.
These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your savings account,
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(01:38):
informed decision. One more time, Text my name Buck to
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Speaker 2 (01:44):
Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We've got
an awesome show headed your way. Some good news right
off the top. The Senate late I guess it was
early this morning or late last night, depending on how
you want to actually classify it, but they have voted
to take the taxpayer money from PBS and NPR. This

(02:08):
is something that's been talked about for generations. They actually
have done it. The House has to officially approve it.
But I do think sometimes we can get lost in
the generational change that is occurring in front of us.
Sometimes you get lost in obsessing about smaller things and
missing the bigger picture. So try to be cognizant of

(02:30):
that on this program. So let me give some good
news right off the top.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
They've been trying to do this.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I just just a fun Google search July first, two
thousand and four. The White House is one step closer
to defunding public radio.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So upset. That's two thousand and four, everybody. We've been
trying to do.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
This since since I was in college and Clay was
working on his PhD.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think this has actually been going on in the
seventies and eighties. I think Republicans have been saying why
are we funding this since the seventies. I think it's
legitimately older than many of the people who are listening
to this program right now. We are very close to
that occurring. Let me give you a little bit of
a roadmap. Marshall Blackburn senator from Tennessee. Our friend's going
to join us next hour. Also Alan Dershowitz. I read

(03:12):
some of the excerpts of his Wall Street Journal editorial.
He represented Jeffrey Epstein in his criminal defense case that
started twenty years ago, and he laid out a lot
of what he knows to actually be in the so
called Epstein files. We will give you all of that,
but Buck this morning, I was getting ready and I

(03:35):
saw our good buddy zoron Momdami. There continues to be
more and more what I would say are straight communist
swill videos with him endorsing them. I don't even think
there's any way to tiptoe up to this. It's no
longer remotely socialism. He is a committed communist. And you say, okay,

(03:57):
what does that sound like, Well, well, it sounds like saying, hey,
I think we might need to abolish public private property,
and I'm going to play that for a minute. Let
me also tell you fun coming. Shane Gillis, the comedian,
went on the SBS last night. We've got some funny
jokes that we will play for you later in the program,

(04:20):
and I promise you that they're going to make you laugh.
And I guarantee you that the DEI email and text
chains inside of ESPN are feverish right now over the
jokes that he told, and we'll play some of those
for your enjoyment. But this is mom Donnie, the Democrat
mayor for New York City, saying, hey, maybe we just

(04:42):
need to consider abolishing private property.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
This is cut for my platform is that every single
person should have housed. And I think, faced with these
two options, the system, the system has hundreds of thousands
of people unhoused right for what And if there was
any system that could guarantee each person housing, whether you
call it the abolition of private property or you call

(05:07):
it just a state white housing guarantee, it is preferable
to what is going on right now. And I think
that people try and play like gotcha games about these
kinds of things, and it's like, look, I care more
about whether somebody has a home.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Okay, let me ask you this, buck, because this is
where I went when I started to see these videos.
And then curtisly was on Fox News. He's on Fox
News all the time. He's going to be the Republican nominee.
Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams are both going to be independent,
and it looks like the split vote is going to
put Mom Donnie in as mayor. Am I being a

(05:41):
total jerk? The answer may very well be yes. When
I look at this strategically and say, I think Republicans
are fighting too hard to beat this guy, I think
we should let Democrats elect a communist mayor of New
York City and let Mom Donnie and all of the
crazy things that he has said be the face of

(06:02):
the Democrat party next year for the midterms. We may
have to sacrifice New York City in terms of having
a competent mayor in order to win a bigger prize,
which is the House of Representatives. Tell me why this
is not strategically the right. Why should we fight as
hard as we can to protect Democrats from the lunacy

(06:24):
of their choices.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, mister Nashville over here is very quick to feed
New York City into the woodchips. Let us say, let.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Million of us that'll be, that will be.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
I'm sorry, State for our massive tri state audience. I'm
not willing to just let let you be voted off
the island of sanity so quickly. Okay, I understand what
Clay's saying it is that the left should get what
they want and get it, you know, long and hard.
They should have to really deal with the reality of
their choices and what the Democrat Party has become. I

(06:56):
still have, as you know, family in Manhattan. Half my
family lives in I'm going to see them next week.
I'll be in Manhattan next week, so I'll be able
to come back and report from the front lines. For
those who are concerned about the trajectory of the city,
there's some decently positive things that are happening in New
York right now. NYPD's on a pretty good footing. Commissioner Tish,

(07:19):
whom I worked with briefly in the NYPD myself, she's
doing a good job. She's a good manager, understands the
ins and outs of running a forty something thousand person department,
which is how big the NYPD is. It's the size
of a lot of country standing armies. So it's a
big job. She's doing a good job with it. Will

(07:41):
So here's the question, Clay, will it be a situation
where the Democrats, if Mom Donnie wins, the Democrats will
rally behind him as a new standard bearer, or will
they be able to silo this off a bit and
say that's New York. You know, he's he's the guy
for them, because not everybody the Democrat Party is happy

(08:05):
about this guy becoming you know, it's it's let's be honest,
this is male AOC as Mayor of New York. That's
what this guy is. Effectively, politically, it would be like
AOC is a dude and is now running which you know,
is running New York City. That would be the Mayor
Mamdani administration. I'm not sure all the Democrats want that,

(08:27):
so there might be some political upside to it. For
I think that that I think this would win the House.
And I do feel sorry for all of you that
I am sacrificing in the w O sorry as.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
He pushes your head.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
He's in his rowboat, he's in the lifeboat, and he's
pushing New York's head underwater. I will not allow this
New York.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I got.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
It's a little bit like the Hunger Games, where sometimes
as a tribute, you have to sacrifice yourself for the
betterment of the of the betterment of the of the contest.
I think that, mom, Donnie, Here's why I think that
this could be so effective as well.

Speaker 6 (09:04):
Buck.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
This is where you take advantage of there being no
real head of the Democrat Party, because if we have
a crazy governor on the Republican side, or if we
have a crazy senator or a crazy congressman, and guess
what we got all three right, every party does. Trump
is the head of the party. So you can't really say, oh,
you know, the new head of the republic Trump has

(09:26):
taken up all of the oxygen. He is the face
of the Republican Party. You can't make someone else the
face of the Republican Party. Who's the face of the
Democrat Party right now? It's certainly not Hakeem Jefferies. It's
not Chuck Schumer. It's not even Gavin Newsom's trying to
fill that void. I don't think it's him. It's not JB. Pritzker,

(09:47):
it's not Gretchen Witmer. It's not Josh Shapiro either. They're
certainly not mayor Pete. It's not Joe Biden, it's not
even Kamala Harris. I think Republicans can make Mom Donnie
the face of the Republican Party, and might a Democrat party,
might well, Buck be able to wed as you just said, Mom,

(10:08):
Donnie and AOC, we always talk about California liberals. What
about New York Communists instead of running against California liberals.
New York communist is a lot more of a negative
associational value for most people nationwide. And so I'm sitting around.
There's this obsession right now with Republicans trying to save

(10:29):
Democrats from the consequences of their choice in the primary.
Why why should we not just sit back and let
them take themselves over the woke waterfalls.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's a problem.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
I think that you could look at through the prism
of Los Angeles and San Francisco and really all the
Pacific Northwest cities, Portland, Seattle, where they have really gone
after less so in LA maybe, but in the other
places for sure, San fran for sure. Mamdani policies for
many years, and I don't think it's been a huge

(11:06):
the huge drag on the Democrat Party that we would
hope for.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, even look at look at who.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Is you asked who the standard bearer is of the
Democrat Party right now, I think it's Gavin Newsom at
this moment it wants to be I think he is
right now I think he could get pushed off that that, uh,
that pedestal pretty quickly. But I think Gavin Newsom is
the national Democrat of the moment.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
The fact that he's willing to go on a big
right leaning podcast, the fact that he's been willing to debate.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
He debated Hannity, right, was it? Or well he debated Handity? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, so I was trying to remember he debated the
Santis on Hannity. You know, he he he loves the media,
he loves the attention, obviously.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
So I think that he's the guy. And so the
mismanagement here's my point, the mismanagement of California has not
delivered the wins that we would want to see necessarily
at the national level. I'm not sure what happened in
New York either, to be honest with you. I mean,
Deblasio was horrible, and they went with only a slightly

(12:11):
less horrible Eric Adams.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Is there a part of me that feels like the
Democrat electorate of New York hasn't suffered enough? Sure, but
New York is a place with if you win New
York City, or if you win it by enough, you're
basically winning it at the state level.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Two.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, so I would rather Democrats have to play a
little more defense in their home state than just completely
radicalize the whole thing and turn it into fully East
Coast California. Remember we got Long Island. There are some
places of sanity or Long Island listeners are pumping their
fists in the air. They know what's up.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
No look Satan Island certainly is not voting for this insanity.
And New York was closer in the twenty twenty four
presidential election than Florida or Texas were. That's like a
New York was closer to being a red state than
Texas or Florida were to being blue states. I think
this would actually open the door for a Lease Stephonic

(13:04):
next year in the governor's race. I think if you
asked Elise Stephonic and you said, hey, I get it,
like Eric Adams or Cuomo would be a better choice
for the city. What motivates Republican turnout more a communist
New York City mayor upstate Do people show up and say, oh,
my goodness, we can't have Kathy Hokel back again. I

(13:25):
think it might, and I certainly think it would be
impactful in the House of Representatives to be able to
run against him nationwide. So a part of me, I'm sorry,
New York. A part of me is thinking, hey, maybe
we keep the life vest inside of the inside of
the buik. I think it's a little bit of a
swim for sure. When Clay was an undergrad at GW,
in all the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut GW

(13:49):
folks were like, Clay, did you grow up playing a banjo?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Clay? Were you in Civil War reenactments?

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Like they must have been fascinated because there were not
a lot there were, as we've discussed, not a lot
of Tennesseeans going to GWA.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You. So, I think Clay is having.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
A little fun, a little a little fun at the
expense of our tri state family.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Here.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I'm just gonna save the country, but it might mean
that some of you have to drown. I'm just saying.
Every now and then, it's like, what's the stuff? What's
the great debate that they have? Would you shove one
person in front of a train if it misses?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
The ethics debate? Will you will you kill one person
to save a million? And you know, the class gets
all fired up about it. Sure, yes, yeah, sorry New
York that person. If we could, I think we could
pull New York into the rowboat. All right, I'm not
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be Rose and let
Jack go into the depths with the Titanic freezing. You know,
I'm actually gonna pull him up on the on the

(14:40):
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Speaker 2 (16:02):
Walking Again Clay Travis buck Sexton show. All Right, we
got a bunch of reactions pouring into my suggestion that
we should abandon New York City and let them have
to deal with their communist mayor, and that that will
be actually beneficial for next year's midterms, which are more
substantial and also a lot of governor's races. I think
that Alice Stephonic would be far more likely to win

(16:24):
the governorship of New York State. And I'm saying I
believe she's officially announced. Let me know if she is not.
I know she's the most prominent candidate that has been
much talked about. Buck. A lot of people weighing in.
Bob says, sorry, Buck, I'm with Clay on this one.
New York had a nice run, but enough already. Damon says,
if Mom Donnie becomes Mayor of New York City, Clay

(16:46):
should be forced to live in the Bronx for the
duration of Mam Donnie's term in office. Hey, maybe I
could be neighbors with AOC. Did at AOC? I mean,
I'll go out to Westchester, AOC if AOC can be
a Bronks girl and grow up in Westchester. There's a
lot of really nice places in West Scarsdale, very nice.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
From from Franklin to Westchester is actually really much an
easy transition. You wouldn't feel that different, I mean different
maybe politics.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
But maybe I could live next to the Clintons in
Chappaqua Chapaqua Choppaquaw Chapper because chop Equittic is where Kennedy
killed the girl, right Choppaquaw is where the Clintons live
right now, Bill says, for decades, communists have been joining
the Democrat Party, watching Mom Donnie's warm welcome by mainstream
Dems and their failure to condemn his most radical positions.

(17:35):
Now apparent party is joining the communists. Here's don as well.
I live in all three New York State, City and County.
I very much enjoyed listening to Buck at the New
York City Republican Club. That'sh November, by the way. I
mean I get an invite to the New York City
Republican Club like Buck did after this take.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I could probably sneak you in.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
I know some people, but they're not loving what you're
saying right now, pushing them underwater.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
But don says, but always a butt here. I'm with
Clay on this. I've been saying this since the primary.
I want mom Donnie to be the next mayor and
watch all those people who hate me, the guilt ridden
self righteously arrogant, over educated snot knows the elites of
the liberal intelligency of foam at the mouth in total apoplexy,

(18:20):
almost as much fun as watching the view. Also, remember,
the mayor of New York City can't do all that
he suggests. New York State legislature must pass many of
these bills. So, guys, what do you think? Now? We
also have a couple of callers that went away and
that might our talkbacks.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Let's take let's do the talkbacks. Yeah, let's do something.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Bill in New Jersey. Ee WR listener, what do you
got play.

Speaker 8 (18:44):
Buck Bill in New Jersey. I am here in the
metro New York area. I look out the window and
there is the skyline. New York deserves whatever it votes for.
Clearly they did not learn the lessons of DiBlasio. If
they put in this guy, Mom Donnie, they whatever they get.
I personally have not gone into the city in years,

(19:05):
and I refuse to. I will not spend my hard
earned money in a communist hole.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Wow, Nat from New York City, also one of our
great WR listeners. He's not so happy with me.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
I am so disappointed in the man from Franklin, Tennessee
making this stupid argument. Once New York City goes communists,
it is done. It is a ridiculous argument. You gain
nothing by giving in territory to the enemy.

Speaker 8 (19:40):
You have to attack.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I love that caller. I love that caller.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
He's that's that's the spirit of New York right there.
That's he's that's calling in. I guarantee you Brooklyn. He's
calling in from Brooklyn, and he loves it. He loves
New York City, and he's not going down without a fight.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I gotta say, is that Bernie Sanders, is he a
secret listener, is that Bernie playing play on both sides
of the equation here? That sounds that's that's not a
burn that's not a burne. That sounded bne to me.
A little bit, a little bit Mark Levin, A little
bit Mark Levin. There more, more more, mister mister Esteemed Levin. Yes,
but uh, definitely not. Bernie's down. Bernie's down here. He's

(20:21):
got this sort of luw, he's got the Brooklyn but
he talks down in this register, and he will really
lean in on certain words like the oligous. You gotta
you know what I mean, you gotta just that's gonna
be good, Bernie. Bernie might be your best. I have
to say, fauci is good. Bernie might be the best.

(20:42):
But this is if you're out there and you're saying, Okay, yes, mom,
Donnie might be an issue, but how much how much
panic is there? Elizabeth Warren is now saying, yeah, Mom, Donnie,
he's a little too he's a little too far from me.
This is not the way we should talk. Cut five again.
Make him the faith of the Democrat Party for the midterms.

(21:03):
Here's Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas herself trying to distance herself from
some of the arguments Mom Donnie has made because they're
too far left wing and crazy. Cut five.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
This is not the way we should talk.

Speaker 10 (21:17):
If this encourages violence in any way, then I am
opposed to it. I am a no violence person. I
think it's a very very bad idea. But let's be clear.
Mondani ran this race because he said I can make
government work for better for families. On the ground, I'm
willing to try new ideas to bring down costs for

(21:40):
people who live in New York City. And I understand
that big time investors are freaking out about that because
they can't quite understand how somebody is going to maybe
make it to be mayor without having come and bent.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
And need them.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Okay, first of all, I love that she said I'm apposed.
Is there anybody who's ever said, hey, you know what
we need more death and destruction? I love that she
starts off by saying I'm a no violence person. Yes,
oh congratulations. Yes, we also are very opposed to murders.
She's very fled with that. She's very quick to bury
the hatchet and stay off the war path, which we

(22:20):
appreciate here. But I will say that. I think she
has to.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Distance herself from Mamdanni the Kami, because otherwise the two
race hoaxters would be lumped together. Remember, he pretended to
be black, she pretended to be Native American and it
worked for her. So she can't be too closely associated
with this Mam Donni guy because all of a sudden,

(22:47):
it's gonna be Elizabeth Warren posing as a Pocahontas And
Mom did was it his middle name was always Quame
or did he change his name to Kuame for the
purposes of admission?

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I understanding, having real I legitimately researched this moron's name.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Kwame is not a South Indian, South South Asian rather name,
so I know how the dad named him after the
leader of Uganda who was named Kwame.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So his name is Zoron Quame, Mom, Donnie, which is
why I think what no one else is that I've
heard has pointed this out. This is clearly why he
put black African American on the Colombia application, because he
thought they would see, Oh how many Indian Maybe there's
one listening right now? Are there any white Asian or

(23:40):
Hispanic men listening right now who are named Kwame. I
would submit that. That is like, if you see the
name Kwame, you're like, that's a black guy's name. He
knew what he was trying to do. He was trying
to pretend to be black to get into Colombia because
he thought it helped him. His middle name a team
in New York. You can look this up. My reading

(24:00):
on this was that his dad named him after the leader.
Middle named him after the leader of Uganda at the time,
and so the Quame is in honor of whoever the
Ugandan leader was. Because the guy's only Quamdani's only like
thirty three years old, right, I mean he's super young
on top of all these other things. Uh, he's never well.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So is it Kwame uh Unkruma, who was the president
of Ghana but the prominent figure in the first Pan
African movement, So not specific to Uganda, but I believe
we can track this one down. It will be krame
Nkruma Quame Unkruma, who was a Pan African nationalist if

(24:46):
you will that. Yeah, because that when you think Uganda,
the leaders of Uganda have been it's been a pretty
raido Idioman is the most famous, which is not a
good thing. It's been a rough it's been a rough
go with the Uganda leader specifically.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, I I will readily acknowledge that my knowledge of
African leaders.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Have you seen The Last King of Scotland by the
great movie? Great? Okay?

Speaker 3 (25:07):
I was gonna say you and Laura top of the list.
I keep giving you guys great recos you never watched them.
But that's okay. I'm glad you've just already seen that.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I don't watch anything except what my kids put on,
which is why I've only been watching Outer Banks of Late,
which is a great, fun, ridiculous show to watch with
your teenagers. If you got thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds,
I bet producer Ali has watched Outer Banks. I would
bet that, Yeah, it is.

Speaker 10 (25:33):
It is.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's Kwame Nkruma, the Ghanaian Pan Africanist leader, which reflects
his father's I mean, this guy is really It's like
if you're creating a sort of multiculturalist and globalist resume
for somebody, this guy the communist mom Donnie has it.

(25:57):
I mean, this is what you're is definitely simil of
what you saw with the construction of Obama. I'm sure,
I'm sure that sorry, Zoran. I don't think anyone calls
him kwame. Zorn is looking at the Obama playbook on
a lot of this stuff with the way that he's
positioning himself politically.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Let me ask you this as we go to break,
and you guys out there listening may be able to
come up with some examples. How many times has Elizabeth
Warren not when she was running for president? Right, because
when you're running for president, you have to attack the
other people running for president. How many times has she
attacked a Democrat publicly when she wasn't running for the
office and competing with them. This is kind of unheard

(26:41):
of for Democrat to turn on another Democrat. This is
how nervous I think they are because you can say
a lot about Elizabeth Warren, but she has a lot
of connections to Wall Street, big investors. I know she
tries to pretend that she cares about the little person
everything else, She's actually very plugged in with elite left
wing Wall Street donors. And I think that's where this

(27:02):
pressure is coming from. Because the guy's a communists and
we need to have some fun with his plan on
the grocery stores, his plan to save everybody money on
the grocery stores. It reads like your kid's plan, except
less logical when it comes to selling lemonade out on
the corner in the neighborhood. I mean, this is.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Elizabeth Warren, the the you know, the progressive leftist, all
that stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
She's worth twelve million dollars personally.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, so's not struggling.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It turns out it's really easy to be all about
collectivism and the government taking from other people when you've
already amassed the twelve million dollar fortune, which you could
easily live a very comfortable life just off of the
annualized interest of that in a high yield interest account
or standard mutual fund. I'm not giving financial advice here,

(27:57):
but this is not a twelve million dollars in the bank.
And I know that, say, oh, well, that's probably real
estate and stuff too. But the point is she's rich,
Lizbeth Warren's rich going around talking about that. But there's
there's I made my money by getting overpaid for books
that nobody read and doing consulting that nobody needed because
I'm a Democrat professor rich. And then there's you know,

(28:20):
starting a company and selling it for a billion dollars rich,
so even you know, even somebody's worth ten million dollars,
one can exploit class envy, which Elizabeth Warren has built
her entire career on, and two have some of their
own class envy.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Truly. You know, Bernie Sanders a socialist with three houses.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's amazing how that works, Isn't it isn't that I.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Don't have to I have one house, and I'm not
a socialist. How do I get to be a socialist
with three houses?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
That sounds like fun? All right?

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Speaker 3 (29:58):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. It will be with
the hope with President Gerschwick here in a second is busy.
Men will be calling him in the meantime. But we
had President Trump just now when I don't let's not
play the audio. Apparently the audio is so low quality
that for all of you listening all across this country
of ours, it'd be tough to make it out to
tell you. He was asked about by a reporter, would

(30:22):
you consider appointing a special Council to investigate the Epstein
investigation that just happened, and President Trump responded, I have
nothing to do with it. So I think it is very,
very unlikely that that will happen. I've heard some people
saying that that's what they would like to happen. Here

(30:42):
some commentators out there, Clay, As far as I can
see it, there would have to be some reason for
a special counsel, and the reason is generally that there's
a conflict of interest, And so now you're you would
be appointing us BACI counsel because you'd be saying, I

(31:04):
can't be trusted my administration can't be trusted the DOJ
to handle this internally. To me that you're just creating
more problems. I don't see why that would be helpful
at all. And I think Trump is there's almost no
chance in my mind, he's going to go through with
something like that.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, I think you can just go to the precedent
of the first Trump administration. I think a lot of
people would say they got knocked off their feet by
his frustration with his first Attorney General Sessions. I think
I'm remembering that correctly, right. The former Alabama senator who
was Trump's first attorney general, not being willing to just say, hey,

(31:42):
there's nothing to this Russia collusion allegation. Instead you had
the step back, Hey, I've got a conflict. I can't
look at this. Here's the other challenge that I would say,
so I tweet about this a little bit. To me,
the solution is pretty simple. You need to have a g.
Pambondi and Cash Pateel have a joint press conference answer

(32:04):
every question that you possibly can on it. And by
the way, we're waiting on Alan Dershowitz. But I thought
and so then you kind of draw the line there.
I think the challenge is how many people out there
are going to say, hey, I now trust the decision

(32:25):
that was rendered by the independent counsel if it endorses
the decisions made before by Pambondi and Cash Patel. And
by the way, I do think the political aspect of this. Okay,
we've got Alan Dershowitz with us now, UH and Professor Dershowitz.
We appreciate you joining us. We read some of your

(32:46):
editorial yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, and I just
want to start with this question because probably the number
one question that this audience has before we dive into
a few others. You wrote about it in the editorial.
Evon Musk said Trump is in the Epstein files, this
larger Epstein universe of investigation. You say that is not

(33:08):
true based on what you know as the defense attorney
for Jeffrey Epstein for many years. What is Trump's role
or involvement in any way in this larger context.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
There's no evidence that Trump is accused of having done
anything improper wrong sexual Donald Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein in
Palm Beach. They hung out together, he said some nice
things about him in an article for Vanity Fair, and
then they got into a fight either over a real

(33:40):
estate matter or about an impropriety of Epstein in relation
to the order of one of the guests at man Lago,
and their relationship terminated. Of course, he's in the files.
Half the people in Palm Beacher in the files. I'm
in the files. Of course, I flew on his airplane.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I was his lawyer.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
All of his lawyers flew in the air plane, but
we never I never flew with anybody who was young
or underage or anything like that. So there's a big
confusion about the file the file contains, you know, so
many people, thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent people.
And then there's the accusation. So there are two issues

(34:20):
as to the accusation. There is no client list. Let's
be very clear. Jeffrey Epstein never compiled the list of
people to whom he allegedly trafficked any young woman. It
just doesn't exist. It never existed, and I've never said
it existed, and nobody I know has ever said it existed.
Nobody has ever seen it. What there is is this.

(34:42):
The FBI interviewed some of the alleged victims, and the
alleged victims named some people, and those names have been redacted.
I know who those people are. There's nobody in current government.
There's no Donald Trump, there's no Bill Clinton. There's nobody.
Give you an example. A woman named Sarah Ransom wrote

(35:04):
a series of emails to the New York Posts, to
Marine Callahan and the New York Post. In it, she
accused Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Richard Branson of having
underage sex with minors, who said she had videos of them.
This was in the run up to the election of
twenty sixteen. Wow, Wow, Wow, big news. So they did

(35:25):
an investigation and this woman, Sarah Ransom, admitted to The
New Yorker that she made up the whole story, come
to whole cloth. She didn't know anybody. She just made
up the story because she wanted to have something on
Jeffrey Epstein. So that's the kind of thing you get,
these kinds of fake accusations, and of course the courts

(35:45):
don't reveal the fake accusations because they want to protect
the so called victims. Now, Sarah Ransom was not a victim.
She's a perpetrator. She falsely accused people and admitted, but
she is being protected and the people that she accused
or not being protected. So that's what is going on here,

(36:07):
and that's why some of the courts have been so
concerned about revealing half truth accusations without going and looking
at who the accusers are.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Professor Dershowitz on the issue of the allegations conspiracy, however
one wants to frame it, of foreign intelligence contacts specifically,
the allegation has been leveled by some pretty big voices
out there. You mentioned, I think in your editorial that

(36:39):
this has happened, that they're saying it's Israel, that there's
Masad connection here and you address that. Could you lay
out your case here as a former lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein,
why you say the foreign intel thing just doesn't hold water?

Speaker 6 (36:55):
Well, first of it, was also a former lawyer for
the Masad. I represented the Masad back in the day
when five of their agents were arrested in Cyprus, and
the Mosad retained me pro bono to represent these five people,
and I got them out. I have good sources in
Israeli intelligence and I can tell you with one hundred

(37:16):
percent assurance there's never been any contact between Israeli intelligence
or Israel in general and Jeffrey Epstein, he became friendly
after all this happened with it had Rock the former
prime minister. They did business dealings together, but there's never
been any contact with intelligence. And the former Prime Minister

(37:39):
of Israel Bennett looked into it again and stated on
behalf of Israel basically that there's no truth to it
at all. And this is logical. It would be impossible.
What if he had worked for any intelligence agency Mossads
the agency. Who's the first person who would have told
his lawyers? Me and the other lawyers were we were

(38:00):
trying to get a good deal for him. The best
thing we could have had going for us is, oh
my god, the guy worked for an intelligence agency. Leave
him alone. He never told us that, and quite the opposite,
he denied any information that would be helpful to him
along those lines. So it's a completely made up story.
Now I know the reason for the made up story.
Made up story had the following basis. His former girlfriend,

(38:23):
Gallainne Maxwell, is now in prisons. Father, Robert Maxwell, who's
a publisher in England, may well have had some connections
to the Mosade.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
And so.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Tucker Carlson probably said, oh my god, his girlfriend's father
had connections. He probably did too. But then Tucker Carlson
goes further and says, everybody in Washington knows. Everybody in
Washington knows that he works for the Mossade. That's just
blatant bigotry and it's just wrong and it's just not credible.
And he ought to take that back. Nobody in Washington

(38:57):
knows that the CIA doesn't know what the White House
doesn't know. I don't know anybody credible who believes that
Jeffrey Epstein would have been hired by the by the
Mosad or by the CIA. It's absurd.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
A lot of people point to the initial prosecution. You
were the defense attorney for Jeffrey Epstein that was called
a quote sweetheart deal. You say Epstein was actually upset
with the deal that he got. How does that deal
compare to you to other criminal defendants. Was it a
sweetheart deal that he got initially?

Speaker 6 (39:31):
No, in fact, it was a worse deal. What we
did is we did a complete analysis of every single
case that was comparable. And remember, the only thing he
was charged with, the only thing he was charged with
was having sexual contact, not sexual intercourse, sexual contact massages
with two women, one way above the age of consent

(39:53):
and the other but for money. So it was a
crime and the other I think three or four months
glowed the agency seventeen and a half years old. We
did a thorough analysis. I did that analysis personally of
every case in Browick County, in Palm Beach County and
Miami and Dade County of people who were charged with

(40:13):
that kind of thing. Not a single one of them
got any prison time. So we went to the the
people in charge and we said, you know, fair is fair.
Let's give him a sentence that corresponds to prepast sentences.
Ultimately we worked at it where he sentenced to eighteen
months in jail and he'd have to register as a

(40:37):
sex offender. Epstein was furious at that. He fired me,
wouldn't pay my legal fee. Thought I was a terrible
lawyer because I got him such a bad deal. You know,
I thought it was a pretty good deal. And as
a result of that deal, by the way, that's how
the FEDS got involved, because the police officials in Palm

(40:57):
Beach County thought they could do better. They went to
the port.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Well, they thought Professor drswoids. They thought there was a
lot of others. I mean, there were a lot of
other allegations of more serious stuff that were out there
that certainly came to light later.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
He was that's right, but he was not charged with
any of that. Right, so he pleaded guilty. The only
things he's ever pleaded guilty to or these two charges
involving a seventeen year old and I don't remember twenty
one or twenty two year old something like that, but
those are the only things ever charged with until later,
and then years later, I was not his lawyer after that.

(41:30):
I stopped being his lawyer once.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
This was over.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
The first case was over, he was charged with a
lot more. By the way, the reason that he was
charged with the state case not a federal case back
in two thousand and six because they had no proof
that he had ever taken women across state lines. All
the young people that he had any contact with were
from Palm Beach. These were mostly teenagers who worked in

(41:55):
what were called I had never heard this term before,
but I learned that when I was doing the investing
agent whack shacks. They were places in the West Palm
Beach where you'd go and pay one hundred dollars and
you'd get a happy ending massage. And so Epstein would
go and as people would go, and they'd go to

(42:16):
these young girls will make it one hundred bucks and said,
you know, we know a guy who'll give you two
hundred dollars if you do the same thing. And that's
how it started. So it was all local, and they
couldn't get him on federal charge because it's not a
crime to pay for sex locally. It's not a federal clime.
It's a state crime. So we pleaded to that state crime.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
We're talking to Professor Alan Derschwitz. I put up a poll.
Seventy percent of people who respond to that poll said
they believe that cash matel Pam BONDI Donald Trump are
lying about what's in the Epstein case in front of
them right now. I imagine that those same seventy percent
are going to say, of course, Alan Dershowitz is going

(43:01):
to lie now to what should happen?

Speaker 6 (43:05):
What interest would I have in lying? I have no
interest in the case at this point, I've been completely
cleared and vindicated of anything improper or wrong. I'm just
there to try to straighten out the record. I know
the facts. I looked at the investigation. What should happen
is what I said should have happened from day one.
Everything should be revealed. But by everything, I mean not

(43:28):
only the accusations, some of which are false. We know
that the Sarah Ansom accusations were false. Everything should be revealed,
including the negative information about the accusers, and there's lots
of negative information about the accusers. Some of the accusers
ultimately helped Epstein recruit young women, and so everything should

(43:49):
come out. But what shouldn't happen is selective release. That is,
just the accusations without the negative information about the accusers.
That would be unfair with fairst to reproduce every thing
so that the public court of public opinion people can
make fair judgment as to who's guilty and who's not. Look,
we know the names of people who have been accused.

(44:10):
They are the some of the most distinguished people. These
are public records. George Mitchell, the man who wrote about
peace in Ireland and peace in in the former Yugoslavia.
He was accused of having unprotected sex on a half
a dozen occasions. Another person was Bill Richardson that's been

(44:31):
made public. He was the former ambassador to the UN.
Another person was Aho Barack. And so we don't know
whether there's any truth to any of these accusations. We
know they're out there, and you know they've been covered
widely in the press. The Miami Harold wrote article after
article after article by a totally one sided and biased

(44:55):
a journalist who was trying to get the pull of
surprise and didn't because her her reporting was that accurate.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
The last question about this for were you here and
we appreciate the time. Has President Trump asked your advice
about what he should do? And just to reiterate, he
is not named accused anything like that based on everything
you've seen.

Speaker 6 (45:16):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 10 (45:17):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
I can tell you categorically he's not accused, and no
he's not. Sort my advice, I have written my op
ed in the Wall Street Journal, I've talked about it
and shows like you words. I'm you know, right now
on a book tour promoting my book, The Preventive State,
and so I'm anxious to have television and radio interviews.
And while i was on my book tour for the

(45:39):
Preventive State, this story broke, and so I've been talking
about the story one than i've been talking about my book.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Thank you time, sir, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Sure we'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I've got a lot to unpack there.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah, you ain't imagining it.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
The world has gone insane.

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Speaker 3 (46:05):
Senator Marcia Blackburn of the Great State of Tennessee joins us.
Senator Blackburn, always good to chat with you.

Speaker 11 (46:13):
Well, and it's so good to chat with you. And
of course we've been a little bit busy here.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
In DC, yes, and some good things happening.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I think so often in the world of commentary and
talk radio, we have to not only point out the
serial failings of the Democrats, but try to prod the
Republicans to move a little faster or a little further
on something. But in this case, I think a little
bit of a golf clap may be necessary, a little
bit of a high five. The Senate has pushed forward

(46:43):
this recision package. Tell us a bit about what's contained
and how does it feel to be able to be
a part of the Senate Senator as they do something
that Republicans have wanted to do for pretty much my
entire adult life.

Speaker 11 (46:58):
Well, you're right about that. I was looking at something
this week. Ronald Reagan started to push to try to
defund NPR and the Corporation for Public Broadcasts, And of
course we know that many times they have a very
biased view. They are anti conservative, and you can see

(47:22):
it when you go through and look at how they
covered the Democrat Convention and the Republican convention. The Democrat
convention was nearly all positive coverage and the Republican nearly
all negative. Taxpayers do not want their funds to be
used for the Corporation for Public Broadcasts addressing that, addressing

(47:43):
some of this wasteful spending that has taken place through
USAID and the State Department. When you look at vegan
food for Zambia, our electric buses in Rwanda, our voter
ID programs in Haiti, then and the list goes on
and on. We could talk for hours of things that

(48:06):
we were able to uncover that these agencies were taking
their appropriated funds for and spending the months, and taxpayers
don't want their hard earned.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
Dollars going for that.

Speaker 11 (48:18):
So nine billion out of this year's by budget, drawing
a red line through those discretionary spending items, which is
what recisions are for. And then if you say out
of a ten year budget window all of that is gone,
that's about ninety billion dollars in shavings.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
We're talking to Center Marshall Blackburn about all of the
successes that are taking place. Trump basically ran on economy,
border crime. It seems like he is delivering on all
three of those fronts, and I know sometimes they overlap.
So for instance, the border and crime, we certainly know
they're illegal, violent perpetrators of crimes that should be removed

(49:02):
from this country. Can you remember you've been in politics
for a little while now. Can you remember a more
consequential in terms of delivering results on what someone ran
on first six months for a president than what we
have seen so far from Trump? Because I can't.

Speaker 11 (49:20):
I cannot. The way he has has really buckled down.
And you know, Clay, we've talked about this a lot
in the last week, as we remembered a year ago
on Sunday, that assassination attempt. He has been very intentional,
very purposeful. He made promises, he has kept those promises.

(49:41):
He's dealing with inflation, he is dealing with teriffs, He's
dealing with our standing in the world. He has secured
that southern border. It is the lowest illegal entry into
this country we have ever seen. And we know that
he is making certain that things get done. We're rebuilding

(50:03):
the military, we are addressing waste, fraud and butte abuse
in government programs. That is what people voted for. He
is delivering and it is a joy to work with him.
And when you see every single day how he is
sending power and authority and money back to the states,

(50:25):
getting it out of DC, draining the swamp, which he
said he would do, and sending power back to the people,
whether it's education or energy, or regulations or healthcare or benefits,
and saying here, let's get it out of DC. Let's
get this money back where it belongs.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I think, I know I did. When you put out
I think it was a twenty point plan for President Trump.
Is basically the Republican platform for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
It was super succinct, It was very understandable if you
go back and look at that. I think it's very
worthwhile maybe to bring that back around to circulate so
people can see it. It is one of the most
remarkably Hey, I'm going to do this, and then he's
delivered on it, and I get sometimes while he's a
little bit frustrated because I don't know that we've ever

(51:19):
seen anything like that. Lots of politicians say they're going
to do things and then they don't deliver. That's a
very transactional document, and he's delivered on virtually every point
on that document that you guys put out.

Speaker 11 (51:31):
You're right about that, And it was a joy to
chair that platform committee for him, and he was very
much engaged with that and is delivering and as we did,
the big beautiful bill, no tax on tips or overtime,
and the provision I have worked on for years, no
tax on Social Security. And of course we do that

(51:53):
by a six thousand dollars bonus deduction per senior per year.
So a couple married filing jointly that are sixty five
and over, that's twelve thousand dollars in bonus income tax
deductions for that couple, and that allows them to utilize

(52:13):
those funds basically tax free. But President Trump made these promises,
he said, this is what we're going to do, and
he is delivering on every point, and the American people
are responding. You see his polling numbers are better than
they have ever been. The Democrats, our friends on the left,

(52:37):
have gone so far off the cliff on the left
that many of my friends who are independents and Democrats
are going, oh my goodness, I can't go there with
them because of how radical they have become and some
of the socialist ideas that they have truly embraced and

(53:00):
are promoting.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Senator Blackburn, I know you're on the Judiciary Committee, and
a very interesting and certainly very qualified nominee just got
put through the Senate panel, right, Emil Bove, who had
defended President Trump in the past a former federal prosecutor.
I was wondering if you could speak to the level
of opposition to somebody who seems to be so eminently

(53:25):
qualified for the US Court of Appeals for the third
Circuit from Democrats is well, why are they so opposed
to this one? And then also just give us a
sense as to how the judge confirmation machinery in the
Senate is working under Trump's term. So far, are you
getting through the nominees you want to?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You need to? How's that all going?

Speaker 6 (53:49):
Well?

Speaker 11 (53:49):
We are working on some more today and earlier this
week we did the first circuit point court appointee, and
that is Whitney Hermann Offer out of Tennessee. She'll be
on the sixth Circuit. And you're referencing Emil Bovi and
Emo had represented President Trump at one point and had

(54:13):
worked with Todd Blanche and we got him out of
committee today. The Democrats were so upset about this. They
did not want to approve him because they felt like
he had done this, that or the other wrong. But
but what they're going to do is nitpick. They're going
to try to find something and something's wrong with everybody

(54:34):
and everything that's related to President Donald Trump because they
have Trump Derangement syndrome. It is alive, it is out there,
they are living it. And what we did as the
Democrats got up and walked out after the vote had started,

(54:55):
we continued the vote and he was approved, and he
has Now he will move to the floor for his
confirmation vote, and I hope we vote him very swiftly. Now,
the Democrats are trying to hold up every US attorney,
every US marshal, every judicial appointment that we have because

(55:17):
they want to impair the ability of President Trump's administration
to carry out their agenda. So we are encouraging Senator
Grassley to find to force the issue of moving forward
with these nominees. Don't hold them over. Let's just as

(55:42):
we do the hearings. Let's move them to the floor
so we can get them up for the vote vote.
Because the Democrats are calling cloture on every single nominee,
which for your circuit judges is thirty hours on the clock,
and for the and for your US attorneys it's two hours.

(56:03):
So if they're not going to work with us, we
should be working all night, every night and every weekend
until we get people confirmed, we're.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Talking to Marshall Blackburn. I want to finish, Senator from Tennessee.
I want to finish with this, and I'm going to
be hammering at home because I think there's a lot
of New Yorkers listening right now, and I know there's
a lot of Californians. Senator Blackburn is the primary reason
why there is no state income tax in the state
of Tennessee. And for people out there who are looking
at Kami Momdami that's coming into New York City, We've

(56:33):
got a pretty good economic environment in the state of Tennessee,
wouldn't you suggest.

Speaker 11 (56:38):
I think we have a great economic environment. And you know, Clay,
we talk a lot about how the leading that fight
against the state income tax in Tennessee and killing that
thing that required our state to go through a reset
and look at the programs where we were spending money
and to actually reduce what we were spending because we

(57:02):
didn't have the funds. And we have a balanced budget
amendment for our states. And I think that the reason
you see Tennessee regularly as the number one are two
or three or four state for business and relocations and
business growth and GDP growth. It is because we are

(57:26):
a well managed state and we have made certain that
we will never have a state income tax. We actually
now have it as a part of our state constitution.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Amen, we'll talk to you again soon, Center Black Ben
appreciate the work and we'll talk and we look forward
to chatting again soon, maybe about a big announcement when
you be amazed by what people can find when it's
time to move out of the family home going through
the process right now here in the Travis house. I
don't know when our house is going to be finished,
but I do know we have so many different memories

(58:01):
stacked up right now, ready to move. And a lot
of those are old school, right photographs, not digital because
we got married right before everything went digital, so we
still have some old school first son was born before
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(58:23):
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