July 21, 2025 • 59 mins
Reality of Taxes
The economic outlook under the Trump administration, highlighting predictions from Jim Rickards about a potential $150 trillion state-owned asset that could trigger an unprecedented economic boom. The Wall Street Journal’s headline, “The U.S. Economy is Regaining Its Swagger,” is cited as evidence of renewed consumer and corporate confidence.
Hunter Biden’s recent profanity-laced interview is dissected, particularly his comments on illegal immigration and labor. The hosts criticize his rhetoric and use it to highlight broader Democratic messaging failures.
Clay and Buck on the explosive growth of the show’s YouTube channel, now nearing 100,000 subscribers, and the shift in media consumption from traditional platforms to digital video. The hosts emphasize the importance of reaching younger audiences and adapting to new content formats.
Accelerating the Crazy
The backlash against “cultural Marxism” and the perceived rewriting of American history, with both hosts expressing frustration over progressive movements that, in their view, have gone too far. The hosts also examine the broader trend of sports team and college mascot name changes, citing examples like Dartmouth, St. John’s, UMass, and George Washington University. They argue that these changes reflect a relentless push from the political left, which they believe is never satisfied and continues to demand more cultural concessions.
The conversation expands to societal shifts from 2014 to 2022, including the rise and fall of the BLM movement, COVID-19 policies, and controversies surrounding transgender athletes like Leah Thomas. Clay and Buck argue that these years are now being reassessed and rejected by a growing number of Americans, framing the current moment as a “counter-revolution” led by Trump. They highlight the positive impact of police body cameras in countering anti-police narratives and reducing viral misinformation, crediting this as one of the few constructive outcomes of recent cultural upheavals.
Tulsi Gabbard on the Russian Collusion Hoax
The hosts delve into the Obama-era intelligence community’s role in the Russia collusion narrative, with Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard calling for accountability. They discuss the legal and political challenges of prosecuting former officials like James Comey, expressing skepticism that justice will be served due to expired statutes of limitations and institutional protections.
Fantasy Economics
The conversation pivots to the WNBA’s financial woes, highlighting the league’s projected $40 million loss and the players’ controversial “Pay Us What You Owe Us” campaign. The hosts draw parallels between the WNBA and Colbert’s show, arguing both are examples of “woke economics” disconnected from market realities.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We got
a bunch to dive into Hunter Biden. These quotes, I
can't believe that they are real. We're gonna have some
fun with him. But I wanted to tell you guys,
I love this. The YouTube channel is on fire, and
you know this is interesting. More people now watch video
(00:21):
on YouTube, then watch video on Netflix, then watch video
on Disney, then watch video on television. So I mean
basically YouTube has taken over video in America. And Buck
has put out a challenge to you guys that if
you can get us to ninety thousand subscribers, he will
do a video with Ginger, his lovely dog, and their
(00:44):
chubby baby. And if you like chubby babies, I mean
they're three month old. Speed has unbelievable chubby baby pictures
up right now. I think there may be up at
clayanbuck dot com, but it is pretty outstanding. But we
have added thousands of subscribers and I think this. I
don't even know if Buck has seen these. I was
(01:05):
playing around. I like to go just look at the
data points publicly. I knew that YouTube was exploding. I
knew that we needed to be over one hundred thousand
subscribers there at a minimum, and by the way, as
I talk to you right now, eighty two and a
half thousand subscribers. So I want this over one hundred.
But the impact here is already pretty pretty stellar. I
(01:26):
don't even know if you saw this buck two of
the videos that we put up on Friday. As the
YouTube audience grows, it's just a younger, more dynamic argument
culturally that we can continue to have and impact a
lot of different generations. Our discussion of Tulsa Gabbert about
the declassification bombshell sixty one thousand views on YouTube on Friday.
(01:52):
That is one of the biggest videos we've ever had
on YouTube, and then Colbert getting canceled thirty thousand views.
Those just went up on two of the biggest videos
that we have had there. I want you guys to
make this show pop on YouTube like it pops everywhere else,
and by the way, you can stream it. I am
told that I look ridiculous right now. I look like
(02:14):
Kramer because for some reason, my white Crockett Coffee T
shirt is showing up and I look like basically Kramer
after he went to the tanning bed I am told.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So if you want to be enterted.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They actually asked me, Hey, can you go just during
the commercial break, Hey can you go clamp chain shirt?
Because you look too ridiculous in that white T shirt
that you're in right now. I said no. This is
an incentive for people to go subscribe at YouTube. You
can see the video. I want us going over one
hundred thousand. But thank you for people who are watching
these videos and a big deal big Basically everybody has
(02:48):
their own television network now on YouTube. We want this
show to be big there. Soon in the months ahead,
we're going to be able to put all three full
hours up and you'll be able to watch the whole
show on video. We love the five hundred and fifty
five stations out there, but it's important to follow the
audience people. Now, this is kind of crazy. People now
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watch videos of podcasts more than they listened to podcasts.
This evolution, I'll be frank, I never saw it coming.
I didn't think people were going to be sitting around
watching videos of people having conversations that are primarily designed
for audio. But this is where they are. They are
wildly popular. So if you would search out Clay Travis,
(03:30):
if you would search out the Buck Sexton Show, I
want you to drive those numbers over one hundred thousand subscribers,
and we're going to be doing more and more cool
content for you there. Okay, speaking of crazy content, we
have got our good buddy Hunter Biden, aka the smartest
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man that Joe Biden has ever known. He has now
decided that he needs to weigh in on a huge
variety of different top Here is a profanity wasced rant
about who's going to clean your hotel room? Who's going
to wash your dishes? This is Hunter Biden. We've had
(04:13):
to bleep it out. Hopefully we got all the bleeps.
Interview that has just gone viral. Cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Listening all these democrats say you have to talk about
and realize that people are really upset about illegal immigration. You,
how do you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How
do you think you got food on your table? Who
do you think washes your dishes? Who do you think
does your garden? Who do you think is here by
the sheer, just grit and will that they've figured out
(04:43):
a way to get here because they thought that they
could give theirselves in their family a better chance, and
he's somehow convinced all of us that these people are criminals.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Hunter Biden, I really, first of all, go away.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You're not really giving him as due because if someone's
going to know about breaking the law, it's Hunter Biden.
So if someone's going to be sitting there talking about
crime and getting away with it, I might add Hunter Biden,
Clay kind of has a PhD, so maybe we should
give him a little more leeway to talk about the
capers that are being pulled off.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I can't believe some of these quotes. We're going to
play some more of this audio, but I do think
it is instructive of where Democrat Party arguments have gone.
They have effectively argued, hey, who's going to be our slaves?
Who's going to do these jobs that nobody else will
do at low wages? And I think most Republicans just say, well,
(05:43):
maybe you should pay Americans more to do those jobs.
I've got a crazy idea, and it may be totally irrational.
Some of you may think that I'm bonkers for this idea.
I think most rational Americans, if they feel like they
are getting a fair wage for a job, will do it.
And maybe there should be a fair wage for some
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of these jobs, and maybe Americans would come back in.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And do those jobs. Now.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Look, I understand there are certain parts of the country
where there just aren't enough people to do jobs. And
I would also submit that maybe everybody doesn't have to
live in New York City. Maybe everybody doesn't have to
live in la Maybe if the cost of living in
a city is super high. There's actually a speaking of
the Wall Street Journals reading an article over the weekend,
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a lot of so called second tier cities are starting
to explode in population because they're more affordable and the
jobs are pretty good. There a lot of people, for instance,
leaving Atlanta and going to Greenville, South Carolina, or Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Some people leaving Nashville going to Huntsville, Alabama. Shouldn't we
shouldn't we encourage people to go to places where they
(06:52):
can have a better quality of living. You don't all
have to live in the exact same big cities and
struggle to survive there. There's lots of good jobs all
over the country. Find a place, go there. Raleigh, North Carolina,
is another one that has exploded in popularity and make
a good living there. I mean, this seems like kind
of the basis of why we have fifty states. If
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you're not living in a good quality of life where
you are right now, find somewhere else better.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I think if I were advising anybody, I know we've
got college age or recent college grad or just that
age some.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Of you didn't go to college or doing other things.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Who are listening, And it's a little bit like the
advice I get people now about college, which I'm just
going to say, I didn't do this myself. I looked
at the US News and World Report rankings based in
the schools I went to. I visited them, but I
had this mentality of you get into the highest ranked school,
you get into right, And I think that's the wrong
mentality for the most part. A little different with something
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like law school. Play went to a fancy law school.
If you're going to go to law school, go to
a fancy one because it's very expensive, and you know,
but for undergrad go where you want to go. Why
am I saying this same thing about out where you
want to raise your family, figure out where you actually
want to be.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I think it's I.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Think it's a naval Ravakan quote I said, we got
to have him on some time.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I sided enough quotes for him. I just think he's
a brilliant guy.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He says, the two biggest decisions that will affect your
life are where you live.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And who you marry.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Bigger than jobs come and go, even careers come and go.
You know, Clay and I were both doing totally different
jobs before we got into media careers. You can switch
who you marry, where you live, you know, or who
do you build your family with, and where you choose
to be. And America's got a ton of great places
that you can build with the place around you, right.
(08:43):
I think it's very different when we were coming out
of school as well, early twenties. If you wanted certain jobs,
you had to be in certain places. You had to
be in New York, you had to be in la
maybe Chicago, if the Midwest. You want a big law firm,
you want a kind of a certain kind of financial job.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's all changed, man. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
The only one of the only good things about COVID
is that it made a lot of people explore outside
of their known universe within America of where they could live.
And also it made remote work or mobile work. You know,
jobs where you can go different places and travel more.
I think far more appealing and more normalized if you
(09:23):
will so, I think that's all. That's all to the good.
And you know, high tax states, if you do them,
I clear. This is the conversation I've had with people.
I've actually had this with friends of mine, particularly some
people who are my like little sister's age, so eight
years younger than me. I've had this conversation with them
about in recent years because they're now early thirties and
(09:45):
they're like, New York is so expensive. I'll have my
sister and I have this conversation, new York so expensive,
and I say, yeah, now, do fourteen percent of your
income every year for the next twenty years.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Look at that number, and and then look at what.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That would be if you just put it as Clay
Finance Clay Gordon Gecko Clay. You put it in the
S and P five hundred in an ETF with low costs.
Anybody can do this. It's about as easy as opening
a bank account and see what that money's worth in
twenty years. It's really tough to want to be in
one in Massachusetts, California, New York, to start out.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, it's it's almost unless you have no choice.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Unless you know, I have to work at Goldman Sachs
and I have to be in New York for it,
whatever it may be, I would there is no I've
spent a lot of time in California. I've spent a
decent amount of time in New York. They're fun to visit.
I like a lot of people who live there. There
is a zero percent chance that I would give the
government fifteen percent of my income every year for the
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opportunity to live in New York, Chicago or La or
San Francisco or any other city.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I don't understand if you have the choice, how you
would choose to do that. And I think what COVID
showed to a lot of people is there are incredible
opportunities all over the country for people to move and
be able to have a higher quality of life, a
more affordable quality of life, better place to raise your kids,
better place to live. And already, I mean I get
(11:18):
fed up about this. Already, I pain nearly forty percent
tax rate even without talking about my property taxes, and
and un fortunately I live in Tennessee. I don't have
state income taxes. I don't think we talked about enough
about this. I do this show for five days, Monday
and Tuesday. I do this show for the federal government.
Think about how crazy that is you too, Both of
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us sit here every Monday Tuesday. You hear us, Uncle
Sam gets everything that we make. We just basically are
working for the federal government on Monday and Tuesday. And
a lot of you, I don't think people do the
math and sit around and think about it. But wait
a minute, on Monday Tuesday, however many days of the
week you work. If you work five days, it's a
good chance at about two of those days every like,
(12:02):
you don't start making your own money to Wednesday. This
is crazy, and it's just accepted because we've come to
expect that the federal government's just going to take, like
a massive vacuum cleaner, huge percentages of our money that
we're working for. Do I feel like my federal government
is giving me such good returns that I should have
(12:23):
to work for them every Monday and Tuesday or Thursday
and Friday, however you want to classify it. No, I
do not, And I think a lot of you out
there when you actually put it in that context. You know,
you can put it in context of the months, how
many of us. Basically, I work for the government Monday too, sorry, January, February, March,
April into May. Like, that doesn't seem very fair to me,
(12:45):
So they take fifteen percent more. Do I want to
work for the state of New York for fifteen percent
of my daily time?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Do I want to work for the state of California
or the state of Illinois, No, I do not. I
think a lot of Americans are getting fed up with it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Having so grateful Clay Whenever you go to la for
doing sports stuff, you pay a little bit into the
Gavin Fund, and he'll have you out for chardonnay. You know,
he's just so pleased, so happy that you're paying into
the giant black hole of California's finances. What was the
deficit they ran this past is huge for a state, Oh,
(13:21):
bill billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, turns out even when you're taxing the you know
what out of people?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not enough? Isn't that interest never enough for these communists?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Look?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
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Speaker 4 (14:50):
We said, we're going to dive into a client kind
of wants you because I've voted for this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, sure, way to put it. I've voted for this.
I did.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I wanted somebody who was going to come in and
say this cultural Marxism, this Maoist cultural revolution that was
really put in motion by the eight years of Obama,
but continued during the presidency of Joe Biden. This turning
(15:23):
our back on our history, rewriting history, feeling like we
should all be or at least some of us should be,
sorry for American history. All this No enough is enough,
and I think that we reached our fill of that
nonsense a long time ago. But here is a moment
(15:43):
in time where I actually wasn't even expecting Trump to
do this. I didn't know this was going to happen.
He has said that it is time for the Washington
commanders to go back to the Redskins, he had a
post on truth Social He said, the Washington what Evers
should immediately change their name back to the Washington Redskins
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football team. There's a big clamoring for this. Likewise, the
Cleveland Indians, one of these six original baseball teams with
a storied past, are great. Indian people in massive numbers
want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically
being taken away from them. Times are different now than
they were three or four years ago. We are a
country of passion and common sense. All Caps owners get
(16:28):
it done. Mister Clay, is this going to get done?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What do you make of this? What do you think
of this? Is it possible? And what do the fans want?
Take me through it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So I put up a poll, and I'm not saying
that my audience is one hundred percent representative of the
average sports fan, but my poll showed ninety seven percent
of my audience wanted the name to go back to
Washington Redskins. And I asked the question, and I think
it's a good one. Is there anybody out there that,
(17:03):
even if they are super left leaning, where it would
be ninety seven to three the other way right? So,
Let's presume Keith Olberman put up this poll for his audience.
I don't think ninety seven percent of his audience, even
though they are super left winging, crazy, insane people, would vote, hey,
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keep the Washington commander's name. And I don't know that
the team and New York correct me if I'm wrong,
has not commented on this yet. The Cleveland Indians did
and they said we love the Guardians, And everybody listening
in Cleveland right now is saying, no, we don't. This
is a stupid name. We would much prefer that the
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Cleveland Indian name came back. But I would say that
what is interesting to me about this is twofold one
Trump is putting it on his shoulders and actually giving
the team a little bit of a pass because he's saying, hey,
if you want a brand new stadium on federal land
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in Washington, d C. And you want the federal government
and the District of Columbia government to help you and
provide hundreds of millions of dollars in financing, then one
of the conditions associated with this is I think you
should be the Redskins.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Again.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I don't dislike that this is not somebody deciding to
come in to a private business and dictate how they
do business. He's saying, Hey, if you want the federal
government's help to build a great new stadium in Washington,
d C. Then there are all sorts of conditions that
the government, as a partner in this negotiation, would demand.
(18:44):
Returning the name of Redskins. I think is a significant ask,
but also a reasonable one point two. This is I
think symbolically important because I hinted at this when we
went to break. I like to think of myself as
a reasonable Now. Some of you out there might say
you are crazy, You're not really okay, But I think
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in general I have my pulse on the average sports
fan in America. I think I could sit down with them,
no matter where they're from, and we could have a
good conversation, no matter what their background. Buck points out,
and I do think it's true that if you are
a college football fan, I feel like I could find
common ground with you.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Clayton, he is not really a big hug guy, but
if you like college football, just give him a hug
when you see him. He's fine with it, as long
as you say you love a college football team, preferably
SEC maybe shake his hand if you're not an SEC fan,
but if you love college football, you can definitely shake
and just give him a hug. If you like the SEC,
he's fine with it. I think we speak a common language.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And for a long time I was of the opinion, hey,
I'm so tired of the mascot argument, and I think
this is the average guy and gal out there that
I was reasonable and I said, Okay, we'll give up redskins,
we'll give up Indians, we won't fight that hard over this,
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and then it'll just put it to rest forever. And
it never does because leftists aren't satisfied ever. They never
sit back and say, hey, you know what, we're happy.
And I would say this, think about gay marriage, whatever
you think about gay marriage. I thought, when gay marriage happened, okay,
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we've reached the logical extension of the left in America.
There is nowhere else they can go. Instead, they weren't
happy with that. They decided that men had to win
women's championships because men are actually women. And they decided that, Hey, also,
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let's argue that if you don't accept someone else's change gender,
you're a bigot. And Buck is right here I think
if they could continue the advance, it would move on
to hey, it's unacceptable if you're a man and you
don't want to sleep with a man pretending to be
a woman, because they're real women too. Chicks with are
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just normal chicks. And that was a bleep. I didn't
say it, but that's kind of where we're headed. And
so my point on this is the crazy just gets
accelerated and there isn't a reasonable Hey, okay, once and
for all, we've negotiated this like business people would, and
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you say we're gonna put this behind us. Now this
is a negotiation. They keep asking for more, and so
I think instead of giving them more, culturally, you have
to take back what you already gave them, and you
have to draw the line and say we're not playing
this game anymore. A lot of colleges have changed, particularly
if they had anything that is Indian or Native American related.
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A lot of college have changed their mascot, Dartmouth. That's
one of the worst examples of this. I think just
because they went from the they went from their Indian
mascot to the Big Green.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's not that's I don't even know what what is
the big green? It makes no sense. Yeah, the color,
I mean it's it's also it makes no sense at all.
I'm trying to see some of these other ones here,
Saint John's. I actually had a Saint John's Red Men
starter jacket growing up, just because I thought it was cool.
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And they changed that one to the Red storm. UMass
was the Minute Men, and then they got rid of that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What's wrong with the Minute Men? I mean naming things
after colonials.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The colonials are gone. At George Washington, the colonial Army
was fighting against colonization, and they decided because it had
colonial in it, it had to go. Because people are
too much of morons to even understand language these days,
and frankly, universities which should exist to educate morons a
(22:59):
k A eighteen year old. I'm still fired up about this.
They changed the name to the GW Revolutionaries, and I
don't think it's coincidental that the quad immediately got taken
over by a bunch of crazy left wing radicals who
want to say they put the cafe or however you
pronounce it on George Washington's statue in the center at campus.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You can't hold in idiots. I didn't know about this one.
Eastern Washington University used to be the mascot was the Savages.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's pretty that's pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I mean, yes, you know, if you're if you're on
the if your team is called the Savages, I feel
like you're getting fired up before you get out there
on the field.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
There's a lot of these.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Elon University was the Fighting Christians and they changed that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You can't even do that.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, I mean there was pressure on Notre Dame the
Fighting Irish, which is one of the great mascots, and
again we just that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Would be that would be so to me, the Fighting Irish.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They first of all, Irish people are actually no people
of Irish descenter offended.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The whole thing is absurd.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A leprechaun, it's cute, it's funny until you see the
leprechan movies, which are actually terrifying. With Warwick Davis, who
you know from Willow, which is a fun movie throwback,
but the actual leprechaun movies very have you ever seen them?
Clay very unsettling. It's a mean little leprechaun. He's not nice.
The horror not nice. It's a horror movie. Some people
are saying the meanest leprechaun. Don't see those. Don't let
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your kids see them either. But you see, the Fighting
Irish is such a brand that I think it's safe
because it's always about what's the brand value versus what's
the outcry going to be?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Same thing with Yale.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
As I pointed out before Eli who Yale was a
slave trader? Yale University is named for a person named
for a person who was enriching himself off of the
slave trade. So you know, in some ways, how much
worse is gonna be in this. It's you know, you
own slaves, that's bad, right, But if you're making money
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by making sure as many people as possible own slaves,
you would think that would be pretty bad. But people
go to Yale to say they go to Yale. They
don't want to say they go to you know, Southeastern
New Haven College of whatever. They want to say, they
go to Yale. And the Fighting Irish is a great
nickname and there's no reason why anybody should want that
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to be changed. As I pointed out that I was
always waiting for the Vikings to come under heat. There's
the Vikings did a lot of loot and pillage. A
lot of nasty stuff went into Actually, the Irish monasteries
looted those bad things going on there. Vikings were not
a bunch of cuddly guys with weird horned helmets on.
That's also, by the way, a total inacrotism. They never
had horned helmets. That comes from opera anyway. Whole other thing.
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But you know, this is something that finally Trump is saying,
this is just crazy town. And whether the team switch
back or not, I'm just glad Clay that someone's calling
this out and saying that it doesn't have to be
this way. We don't have to live our lives walking
on eggshells because miserable libs do mandit. Here's a question
for the history nerds out there. I have an argument
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that I think is accurate, But it feels to me
like society at large is essentially saying everything that happened
from about twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two was completely wrong,
and we're in the process of erasing all of it.
Whether it's BLM protests, whether it was the response to COVID,
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whether it was the changing of the nicknames, whether it
was Leah Thomas winning a Women's Swimming Championship.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
This is the.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Counter revolution, This is the trump counter revolution to the
Maoist insanity. What is another American analogy of something like
this happening, because the nineteen sixties is probably the easiest
era going Probably Reaganism. Reaganism as a response to all
the just degrading, an anti American, nonsensical radicalism of the
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late sixties and in through the seventies of Vietnam era.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think Reaganism was the response to that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I would say there was actually some good clearly
that came out of the civil rights movement. Right, it's
good that everybody who's an American citizen should be able
to freely vote and everybody. So what is good that
came out of twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two. That
is a lasting legacy of Usually you have progress and
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people say, okay, that progress is good, and then it
goes too far right, the pendulum swings too far, and
you can go from hey, we should have equal rights
in America.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Everyone should.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's an aspirational goal, but maybe hey, you shouldn't define
who gets into a school based on the color of
your skin. That's swinging it too far. In other words,
civil rights. Okay, great society, too much with with.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
LBJ.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
What is the good? This is what I think is
really kind of fascinating about this. What is something good
that happened from fourteen to twenty two?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And i'm the proliferation, the proliferation of police body cams,
which is essentially the end of the anti cop and
BLM moves.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh, that's a good argument. That's a good argument. So
unintentionally takes unintentional wins. Yeah, but that that consequence is real.
The reason you don't see these huge anti cop protest
the way is because the Internet and body camera footage,
and we see, Oh, I'm actually constantly amazed at how
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reasonable and even deferential police saw in the face of
a lot of aggression and disrespect. That's what you actually
see when you pay attention to the reality of the
video footage on these body cams. And and the other
thing is that when there's somebody who's when there's a
cop that crosses the line, everyone hates that, including including cops.
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They don't want bad cops, they don't want cops who
are hurting people when they're not supposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So you know, there's nothing but upside on the body
came great.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's a great point because BLM basically is Getty has
been destroyed because one it led to way more death
everything else. But every time they try to make a
viral incident, if it's almost always you're like, man, the
cop showed a lot of restraint there. Yes, I mean
overwhelmingly the person's name goes viral. Social media is like,
by the way, what I would say all of this
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Speaker 4 (31:17):
All right, welcome back into Clay, and but let's talk
about the latest on Russia Gates, Russia collusion, all that
stuff for a second.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
There's some new news on this one.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
As we know, d and I Gabbard, whom I had
a long conversation with when Clay and I were in DC.
Clay was supposed to be part of that conversation, but
he showed up in his timey bahamas and his flip
flops to the White House and they said, excuse me, sir,
excuse me, No, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He didn't have his passport, which I remember.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I just so you know, I'm not like the guy
who leaves his buddies behind in line at the nightclub.
I actually asked the Director of National Intelligence, I said,
can we go get Clay? He doesn't have his passport,
But you can just wave him in, right, And she
was like, they won't let me.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
In without my passport And I said.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Okay, well in that case, you added, I didn't have
real ID, and then I didn't have my passport with
me and you had to have one or the other
to be able to get in, not just my regular
driver's license.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, she said, these rules do not do not get waived. Sorry,
you know, we love Clay, but he can come back
tomorrow or next time. So but I long talk with
Tulci what we talked about off the record, But I
asked her, I said, can I say that we hung
out and talked for a while about, you know, what's
going on in the country. So Tulsie has has a
mandate within the director, within the intelligence community of cleaning.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Up the mess.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It is still a and I can put it this way.
The brand, the the brand perception of the intelligence community
went from post nine to eleven. Yeah, of course, huge failure.
We get hit on nine to eleven. So there's that,
there's that reality. But then there was a surge of people,
including a lot of uh former military, including a lot
(32:57):
of elite military unit special Opera raiders who were working
hand in glove with the intelligence community to find these guys, right,
I mean it's CIA Seal Team six, CIA Delta Force.
I mean these units or you know, these entities were
symbiotic overseas doing incredibly important work in the what I
still believe we should just call the War on Terror.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We don't have a better name for it. The GWATT.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And many of you served in the GWATT and I
thank you for your service, and I think that that,
unfortunately has gotten.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
A little bit lost in the shuffle lately. People.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I feel like our g WAT veterans, people, a lot
of people in this country are moving on beyond what
happened there. We should remember what they did and the
sacrifices that they made. But I think Clay, the intelligence community,
because of the Obama years and the weaponization of it
against Trump specifically, has now become a broadly distrusted entity.
(33:53):
The point where I was only I was only there
for g WATT years. I see, you know, I'll appear
in some show or something, I'll be on file, one
of our clips will go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
People will say, you can't trust this guy, he was CIA.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I'm like, I remember when I was in CIA and
we're trying to stop in Laden from blowing up the
next plane.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And that was a real thing. Okay, So I don't know,
but this is what happened.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
The people who ran the place decided that they were
above the law and they were in a position to
change election outcomes. Really and and I think that it
should be remembered. And I give I give my friend
Ben Dominic, who's a Fox guy. I give him credit
for this for pointing this out on Twitter over the
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weekend because somebody said, I don't know who it was.
You know, they tried to use this Russia collusion thing
to take Trump down, and Ben wrote, they almost succeeded.
I think people forget that now we see this in retrospect,
because that's absolutely correct. They almost this almost worked. They
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almost use this trap completely successfully to destroy the Trump administration,
destroy Trump and his family. So Tulci Gabbert is now
demanding that Cash Bettel and Pam Bondi investigate Obama.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Era DOJ officials. She says it's.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Their responsibility, or rather they are responsible. Well, both both
Pam and Cash have this responsibility, and these people from
the Obama years are responsible.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So here we go.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Here is this has cut fourteen team, and here's Tulsi
laying out what she sees now with access to it
all as the Director of National Intelligence, play it.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Creating this piece of manufactured intelligence that claims that Russia
had helped Donald Trump get elected contradicted every other assessment
that had been made previously in the months leading up
to the election that said exactly the opposite, that Russia
neither had neither the intent nor the capability to try
to quote unquote hack the United States election for the
presidency of the United States. So the effect of what
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President Obama and his senior national security team did was
subvert the will of the American people, undermining our democratic republic,
and enacting what would be essentially a year's long coup
against President Trump, who was duly elected by the American people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, so I think I speak for average American out there,
is anybody ever going to get arrested or charged for
any of this because otherwise, yes, everything that Tulsea just
said there I believe is true. I think all of
the evidence out there is that the whole Russia collusion
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lie was manufactured. I think if you just look at
basically what went on, they laundered this story through the
New York Times in the Washington Post, which gave all
of the reporters who wrote it Pulitzers for fundamentally untrue
stories that were designed to destroy Trump's ability to be
president of the United States first term.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
All of that, I think is one hundred per century.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think that this is why there's so much blowback
on the Epstein front. I think many people out there
look at this and say, I've heard it all before.
Nobody ever pays Democrats indict Republicans like crazy purp walk
them everywhere, bankrupt them, sit them down, make them get
their photos taken.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Whether you're the.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
President of the United States, all the way down to
a grandma who walked into the Capitol on jan six
and was using selfie stick to take pictures, those people
are all held accountable. They throw the entire book at them,
Democrats unless they decide somebody is not useful, like Robert Menendez, right,
and they just toss him to the side, and then
they got a new senator who they bring in instead. Basically,
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no Democrat ever suffers any consequences, no matter what crimes
they break. Is anything going to happen from this no, yeah,
see that that's where I think people get so frustrated.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Sorry to say, and I think that that's people I
know want they want that to be untrue what I said,
and maybe maybe it will be. But here's the here's
the first thing that I would say, Okay, the only
statute that I can think of, like things like I
don't even know if there is a federal statue for
(38:23):
official misuse of position. That was something that I know
there is actually because when I was CIA, we had
that right like if you if you were if you
claimed and you use like your CIA identification to get
out of like a speeding you know, there were things
where you couldn't just say, like I'm CIA on a
covert like you can't stop official and you get fired
at me. Obviously, so official misuse of position, But that's
(38:46):
not a huge thing, meaning you're not gonna go to
prison for a long time for that. You're not gonna
go to prison at all. Conspiracy. Here's the thing about conspiracy,
because I think there is an there you could go
for conspiracy charges here, statutes five years, statutes five years.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So what about leaking? What about leaking top secret information
to the press? Statute is I think ten on that,
So you're still a little bit potentially it's getting close.
Depend still potentially be under that depend track down how
the leaking happened.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Those are but again those are very difficult cases approve it. Yeah,
I think the statute on those is ten years. Uh so.
But so this is what I just want to break
this down for everybody. What you know, Trump is saying
that they should be prosecuted. Uh, okay, should be sure,
should have been definitely, How can they be under the
(39:40):
system that we have. I don't see it. And now
people I know, I understand I'm going to get immediately
with this. Uh treason. Treason has a specific federal definition.
Treason is not just betraying your country in a general
Now it's used that way in conversation, but there is
a specific federal statutory explanation of the charge of treason,
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and I don't think you'll be able to get anywhere
near that with these with essentially a plot cooked up
inside the intelligence community, with the Obama administration running point
on it, using the media to launder it and then
putting it out there, and then using the Justice Department
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to try to undermine from the inside of the Trump administration.
I just I don't see what the statue would and
so don't write in and tell me or Clay they
betrayed Yeah, I know, they betrayed the country. I Trump
used to retweet me on this stuff all the time
because I knew that they were lying about what's going on,
the intelligence community. They were lying about their usifiers of
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their life.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
We know all of that. Here, what are you going
to get them on?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Now?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
What is the charge going to be? What is the
federal criminal indictment going to be against comy again? You know,
you know, name the people involved?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Tell me what it is and if it sounds reasonable, great,
you know, then then we'll have an answer. But I
don't see it, and I wish that wasn't the case.
But I'm just telling everybody what I know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I think it would have to be leaking the documents
to start the whole process. And that means you go
after reporters. That means you go after the New York Times.
That means you go after.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Super complix, super complicated to do that, by the way,
and those all kinds of problems, those reporters will all scream, hey,
we're you know, we support the First Amendment, like we're
being attacked by the federal government.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Sometimes they'll go to prison to avoid avoid revealing sources.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
This is where I can remind every people always always
say no way, Clay. The Obama administration use the Espionage Act,
not just more than any presidents before him, he used
it more than every presidency before him combined.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, thinking about that, I just look at this and say,
it's particularly nasty because you're leaking classified documents which may
not accurately reflect overall consensus view, and the reporters who
report on it don't have access to all the countervailing
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opinions that might be inside of an agency, and they
take it at face value. And then because it was
anti Trump, they gave them all Pulitzer prizes. Remember, I
don't think the POETR has rescinded any of these reports,
any of these awards, And they treated them as if
they were heroes when all they were doing was laundering
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inaccurate information designed to destroy the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's actually.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Nasty on a level that I am still incredibly frustrated
about it. I think it ultimately destroyed the legitimacy of
much of the of much of the reporting universe, and
unless you get them for leaking classified documents. I think, unfortunately,
this is just another case where we know many crimes
(43:09):
were committed and there are no consequences for them. And
I think a lot of people throw up their hands
and say, there is no law that holds Democrats accountable. Meanwhile,
whether you're President Trump all the way down to like
I said, a grandma walking into the Capitol on January sixth,
you get the book thrown at you, and meanwhile Republicans
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do nothing by and large to Democrats in exchange.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Well, this is where you get into so not because
because again I feel exactly where you are on this.
There's this frustration we are side always gets the book
thrown out them, even for and they always get away
with it. Well here's what they did. Remember the Supreme
Court had to weigh in on this. They treated obstruction
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as an official proceeding. I mean they expanded this definition
of obstruction of a of an official proceeding is really
meant to prevent people from destroying all the evidence in
a federal criminal investigation. And they use this to go
after j six people. So what they do is really
unconstitutionally expand a statute to go after their political enemies
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and ruin their lives. We could do that too, I mean,
you know, but that's what it would require, is what
I'm saying. If you're telling me we're gonna use a
real statute in good faith and approach it in this way,
I don't see how you're gonna get not only Comey
sent to prison or anything like that. I don't even
think he's gonna I don't even think I could bring
(44:38):
a charge. I don't know what the charge is unless
you want to just shoehorn something into it. Maybe some
of you do, but that's I think what this would require.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah. Look, and the Statute of Limitations factors in here
in a big way. And I get why all of
you are frustrated, because I feel like all these things
are basically proven and then there are no consequences for them,
and so everybody just throw up their hands and says,
here we go again. Yes they did something illegal, No,
nothing happens to them.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah.
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and so we want to be everywhere they are. Okay, Buck,
I saw this and saw the connection between the two,
and I think it actually ties in with the left's
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economic illiteracy. We talked about Colbert Guys losing forty million
dollars a year on his show. Show costs over one
hundred million dollars a year. He is being paid either
fifteen or twenty million dollars a year, and they announced
that they're going to cancel it, and immediately Democrats are
up in arms. Over the weekend, similar situation happens. WNBA
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All Star Game is going on in Indianapolis. The girls
in the WNBA that play on the teams, the women
walk out in pay us what You Owe Us t shirts.
The WNBA, according to the New York Post, is on
track to lose forty million dollars this year. That means
if WNBA players were paid what they make, they would
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actually owe all of the owners around two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars each. That is, instead of being paid,
they would actually need to pay the owners of the
WNBA franchises two hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. To me,
the connection here is the WNBA is the most left
(49:04):
wing I think it's fair to say sports organization in
America right now that is unfortunate because they're alienating a
ton of the fan base that they suddenly have. But
much like with Stephen Colbert, there is a belief in
sort of fantasy economics that you should be paid vast
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sums of money even though you're making no money. And
I think it ties in with the larger issues that
democrats have in general, because there used to be a
lot of Democrats in positions of power that had some
knowledge of basic economics, had worked largely in business, understood
how capitalism works. Now you have a lot of AOC's
(49:48):
a lot of people out there who say, oh, when
the news comes out that Amazon wants to locate a
huge headquarters. I believe it was in Queens. You'll probably
remember this better than I did. Specific location, and they say, oh,
we can't be giving all of these dollars away, and
they don't even understand how tax abatements and tax credits work.
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They think that actual dollars of cash and taxpayer dollars
are being given. And as a result, the job situation
in many of these blue cities and blue states is deteriorating.
You sent me over the weekend in an outburger. Their
president is moving to where I live in Franklin, Tennessee. Now,
(50:34):
my wife says all the time, Hey, don't tell people
how nice. Franklin is getting too full, so you should
never move here. It is awful.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I have a friend out there who says that there
are fifteen thousand apartment in housing units being built in
the next five years in Franklin already, something like something like, really.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
We don't want you to come. It's awful. I don't
know how anybody could ever have a good time here.
I don't know how you could raise a family. You know,
we're struggling as best we can to make do with
what we have here in Franklin, Tennessee. But I did
think it was interesting. She was specifically asked in that interview,
why are you leaving California? She said, it just became
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too difficult. Now they still have offices in California, but
they're opening up what's being called in East Coast Headquarters
in Franklin, Tennessee, which is about twenty miles south of Nashville,
for those of you who don't know the geography. And
I do think this is starting to happen everywhere. And
what connects all these stories is a inability to understand
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basic business, how paychecks work, how people make money for
the labor they produce. And I do think that it
is making it incredibly difficult for Democrats to dig themselves
out of the hole. Do you see that connection with
Colbert and the WNBA. It's like this fantastical world where
you don't have to have any economic understanding of how
your boss makes money and you just expect the money
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truly grows on trees.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Well.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, and also themocrats took over a lot of corporations
that were built over a very long time by people
who were not Communists. And whether it was infiltration through
HR first and then the C suite later when DEI
concerns were directing a lot of hiring. Even at the
most senior levels, you have people who it's a bit
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like the California situation where Gavin Newsom takes over a
beautiful state that's incredibly rich with a ton of people
and says, I'm not screwing it up. Look at how
rich and beautiful this place is. Well, yeah, but everything
you're doing is making it worse. It's true of companies
and media entities as well. A lot of these places
sixty minutes people are saying is in trouble. There are
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a lot of these old media institutions that are I
don't even know who owns these things anymore. Right, there's
all these mergers and the moving around. But what you
find out is that news used to be they used
to go for news class. I understand that a place
like ABC, they were just hoping it was revenue neutral.
So they've always been something.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Of a corporate hobby horse.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
In some of these places. But that's for the news
only side of things. Late night shows used to be
wildly profitable. Late night shows should be making it should
be cash cows. And what you're finding is that when
people have more options and more choice, and I also
think even more familiarity with who these individuals are on
these shows, what you find is that they can't justify
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these enormous salaries and these tremendous corporate expenditures, and the
world where the Democrats can count on having total airway
dominance handed to them like built in that world is
evaporating very quickly, and that's a good thing. Finally, now
(53:52):
with the break it actually was particularly bad for a
while with the Internet because they had locked down the
major Internet, major Internet social media sites and uh, you
know Netflix in these places are still pretty big problems,
but Clay, we're seeing a change in the ability of
it's not even just Republican or Conservatives, just same voices
(54:14):
to break through, and they can't get away with the
same kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I've loved so if you I think I said
this on the show last week. If you had told
me when I was fourteen years old or thirteen years old, hey,
you get to pick any media job in the world
to have, I probably would have said, hey, SportsCenter anchor
or late night TV host, because I thought, hey, those
are two of the best jobs that are out there.
(54:38):
Sports center anchor basically doesn't exist now because then the
highlights of sports are widely distributed. Nobody sits and watches it. Anyway,
was Keith Olberman a good Sports Center annger. I never
watched it, Yeah, and he and Dan Patrick. Back in
the day, I would wake up buck, I would eat
my cereal while I was getting ready to go off
(54:58):
to school, and I would have on Sports Center, because
back in the day you might not know who won
the late night games. And I would sit there and
I would eat my cereal and I would just think, Man,
these guys are so funny. They're having such a good time.
This is like the best job that's ever existed late
night Again, I understand every kid, including my own. Now
the summers are completely packed. You have one hundred and
(55:20):
sixty eight different camps that your kids go to for
a variety of sports or dance or whatever they're into.
I just sat it home, and I had this huge
amount of time, didn't have a license yet, and watched
and read and I was just kind of on my own.
And late night television you still love it. But to me,
what's interesting is when you think about what late night
(55:41):
television show happened and why the collapse in business occurred.
Comedy specials are now everywhere. I remember back in the
day we used to pass around like Eddie Murphy Raw
or Eddie Murphy. You know, like the VHS cassette tapes
of the relatively few people who got HBO special and
you would watch them, but they weren't very common, and
(56:04):
some people, some of you, probably had cassette discs of
old school maybe CDs of old school comedy specials.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
It was not easy to get a comedy special.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now they're everywhere you get on Netflix, and there's trending
comedy specials and you can watch any number of comics
on any given night. And then the podcast long form
interview has a lot of celebrities. Instead of sitting for
five minute, sort of lame interviews to promote their movies,
they now do longer form interviews if they're reasonably intelligent people.
(56:35):
There just is no late night TV audience. I think
it could have existed probably for another decade if they
hadn't gone political. But the entire concept of that show
has been exploded and it now has gone into a
bunch of different pieces. And I do think that you're
seeing a dynamic reordering of who people trust, and I
(56:56):
think all that matters. My theory here is authenticity, not
expectation that you're going to agree with everybody, not expectation
that you're going to have the exact same opinion on
every issue, but just hey, are they telling me something
that is true? And I think the reason radio continues
to have a lot of cogency is you can't fake it.
(57:18):
Cannot fake three hours a day of radio, for better
or worse. We are what you think we would be,
and that can be good or bad. But I think
the late shows they faked it a long time and
as a result, going super woke and getting blown up,
I think is fascinating. I think WNBA's got major issues
with not understanding basic economics. Take it from someone with
(57:39):
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Speaker 6 (59:01):
Making America great Again isn't just one map, It's many.
The Team forty seven podcast Sunday's at noon Eastern in
the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the
iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts,
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. We got
a bunch to dive into Hunter Biden. These quotes, I
can't believe that they are real. We're gonna have some
fun with him. But I wanted to tell you guys,
I love this. The YouTube channel is on fire, and
you know this is interesting. More people now watch video
(00:21):
on YouTube, then watch video on Netflix, then watch video
on Disney, then watch video on television. So I mean
basically YouTube has taken over video in America. And Buck
has put out a challenge to you guys that if
you can get us to ninety thousand subscribers, he will
do a video with Ginger, his lovely dog, and their
(00:44):
chubby baby. And if you like chubby babies, I mean
they're three month old. Speed has unbelievable chubby baby pictures
up right now. I think there may be up at
clayanbuck dot com, but it is pretty outstanding. But we
have added thousands of subscribers and I think this. I
don't even know if Buck has seen these. I was
(01:05):
playing around. I like to go just look at the
data points publicly. I knew that YouTube was exploding. I
knew that we needed to be over one hundred thousand
subscribers there at a minimum, and by the way, as
I talk to you right now, eighty two and a
half thousand subscribers. So I want this over one hundred.
But the impact here is already pretty pretty stellar. I
(01:26):
don't even know if you saw this buck two of
the videos that we put up on Friday. As the
YouTube audience grows, it's just a younger, more dynamic argument
culturally that we can continue to have and impact a
lot of different generations. Our discussion of Tulsa Gabbert about
the declassification bombshell sixty one thousand views on YouTube on Friday.
(01:52):
That is one of the biggest videos we've ever had
on YouTube, and then Colbert getting canceled thirty thousand views.
Those just went up on two of the biggest videos
that we have had there. I want you guys to
make this show pop on YouTube like it pops everywhere else,
and by the way, you can stream it. I am
told that I look ridiculous right now. I look like
(02:14):
Kramer because for some reason, my white Crockett Coffee T
shirt is showing up and I look like basically Kramer
after he went to the tanning bed I am told.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So if you want to be enterted.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They actually asked me, Hey, can you go just during
the commercial break, Hey can you go clamp chain shirt?
Because you look too ridiculous in that white T shirt
that you're in right now. I said no. This is
an incentive for people to go subscribe at YouTube. You
can see the video. I want us going over one
hundred thousand. But thank you for people who are watching
these videos and a big deal big Basically everybody has
(02:48):
their own television network now on YouTube. We want this
show to be big there. Soon in the months ahead,
we're going to be able to put all three full
hours up and you'll be able to watch the whole
show on video. We love the five hundred and fifty
five stations out there, but it's important to follow the
audience people. Now, this is kind of crazy. People now
(03:09):
watch videos of podcasts more than they listened to podcasts.
This evolution, I'll be frank, I never saw it coming.
I didn't think people were going to be sitting around
watching videos of people having conversations that are primarily designed
for audio. But this is where they are. They are
wildly popular. So if you would search out Clay Travis,
(03:30):
if you would search out the Buck Sexton Show, I
want you to drive those numbers over one hundred thousand subscribers,
and we're going to be doing more and more cool
content for you there. Okay, speaking of crazy content, we
have got our good buddy Hunter Biden, aka the smartest
(03:51):
man that Joe Biden has ever known. He has now
decided that he needs to weigh in on a huge
variety of different top Here is a profanity wasced rant
about who's going to clean your hotel room? Who's going
to wash your dishes? This is Hunter Biden. We've had
(04:13):
to bleep it out. Hopefully we got all the bleeps.
Interview that has just gone viral. Cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Listening all these democrats say you have to talk about
and realize that people are really upset about illegal immigration. You,
how do you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How
do you think you got food on your table? Who
do you think washes your dishes? Who do you think
does your garden? Who do you think is here by
the sheer, just grit and will that they've figured out
(04:43):
a way to get here because they thought that they
could give theirselves in their family a better chance, and
he's somehow convinced all of us that these people are criminals.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Hunter Biden, I really, first of all, go away.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You're not really giving him as due because if someone's
going to know about breaking the law, it's Hunter Biden.
So if someone's going to be sitting there talking about
crime and getting away with it, I might add Hunter Biden,
Clay kind of has a PhD, so maybe we should
give him a little more leeway to talk about the
capers that are being pulled off.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I can't believe some of these quotes. We're going to
play some more of this audio, but I do think
it is instructive of where Democrat Party arguments have gone.
They have effectively argued, hey, who's going to be our slaves?
Who's going to do these jobs that nobody else will
do at low wages? And I think most Republicans just say, well,
(05:43):
maybe you should pay Americans more to do those jobs.
I've got a crazy idea, and it may be totally irrational.
Some of you may think that I'm bonkers for this idea.
I think most rational Americans, if they feel like they
are getting a fair wage for a job, will do it.
And maybe there should be a fair wage for some
(06:04):
of these jobs, and maybe Americans would come back in.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And do those jobs. Now.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Look, I understand there are certain parts of the country
where there just aren't enough people to do jobs. And
I would also submit that maybe everybody doesn't have to
live in New York City. Maybe everybody doesn't have to
live in la Maybe if the cost of living in
a city is super high. There's actually a speaking of
the Wall Street Journals reading an article over the weekend,
(06:29):
a lot of so called second tier cities are starting
to explode in population because they're more affordable and the
jobs are pretty good. There a lot of people, for instance,
leaving Atlanta and going to Greenville, South Carolina, or Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Some people leaving Nashville going to Huntsville, Alabama. Shouldn't we
shouldn't we encourage people to go to places where they
(06:52):
can have a better quality of living. You don't all
have to live in the exact same big cities and
struggle to survive there. There's lots of good jobs all
over the country. Find a place, go there. Raleigh, North Carolina,
is another one that has exploded in popularity and make
a good living there. I mean, this seems like kind
of the basis of why we have fifty states. If
(07:12):
you're not living in a good quality of life where
you are right now, find somewhere else better.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I think if I were advising anybody, I know we've
got college age or recent college grad or just that
age some.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Of you didn't go to college or doing other things.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Who are listening, And it's a little bit like the
advice I get people now about college, which I'm just
going to say, I didn't do this myself. I looked
at the US News and World Report rankings based in
the schools I went to. I visited them, but I
had this mentality of you get into the highest ranked school,
you get into right, And I think that's the wrong
mentality for the most part. A little different with something
(07:47):
like law school. Play went to a fancy law school.
If you're going to go to law school, go to
a fancy one because it's very expensive, and you know,
but for undergrad go where you want to go. Why
am I saying this same thing about out where you
want to raise your family, figure out where you actually
want to be.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I think it's I.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Think it's a naval Ravakan quote I said, we got
to have him on some time.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I sided enough quotes for him. I just think he's
a brilliant guy.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
He says, the two biggest decisions that will affect your
life are where you live.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And who you marry.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Bigger than jobs come and go, even careers come and go.
You know, Clay and I were both doing totally different
jobs before we got into media careers. You can switch
who you marry, where you live, you know, or who
do you build your family with, and where you choose
to be. And America's got a ton of great places
that you can build with the place around you, right.
(08:43):
I think it's very different when we were coming out
of school as well, early twenties. If you wanted certain jobs,
you had to be in certain places. You had to
be in New York, you had to be in la
maybe Chicago, if the Midwest. You want a big law firm,
you want a kind of a certain kind of financial job.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That's all changed, man. You know.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
The only one of the only good things about COVID
is that it made a lot of people explore outside
of their known universe within America of where they could live.
And also it made remote work or mobile work. You know,
jobs where you can go different places and travel more.
I think far more appealing and more normalized if you
(09:23):
will so, I think that's all. That's all to the good.
And you know, high tax states, if you do them,
I clear. This is the conversation I've had with people.
I've actually had this with friends of mine, particularly some
people who are my like little sister's age, so eight
years younger than me. I've had this conversation with them
about in recent years because they're now early thirties and
(09:45):
they're like, New York is so expensive. I'll have my
sister and I have this conversation, new York so expensive,
and I say, yeah, now, do fourteen percent of your
income every year for the next twenty years.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Look at that number, and and then look at what.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
That would be if you just put it as Clay
Finance Clay Gordon Gecko Clay. You put it in the
S and P five hundred in an ETF with low costs.
Anybody can do this. It's about as easy as opening
a bank account and see what that money's worth in
twenty years. It's really tough to want to be in
one in Massachusetts, California, New York, to start out.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, it's it's almost unless you have no choice.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Unless you know, I have to work at Goldman Sachs
and I have to be in New York for it,
whatever it may be, I would there is no I've
spent a lot of time in California. I've spent a
decent amount of time in New York. They're fun to visit.
I like a lot of people who live there. There
is a zero percent chance that I would give the
government fifteen percent of my income every year for the
(10:49):
opportunity to live in New York, Chicago or La or
San Francisco or any other city.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I don't understand if you have the choice, how you
would choose to do that. And I think what COVID
showed to a lot of people is there are incredible
opportunities all over the country for people to move and
be able to have a higher quality of life, a
more affordable quality of life, better place to raise your kids,
better place to live. And already, I mean I get
(11:18):
fed up about this. Already, I pain nearly forty percent
tax rate even without talking about my property taxes, and
and un fortunately I live in Tennessee. I don't have
state income taxes. I don't think we talked about enough
about this. I do this show for five days, Monday
and Tuesday. I do this show for the federal government.
Think about how crazy that is you too, Both of
(11:40):
us sit here every Monday Tuesday. You hear us, Uncle
Sam gets everything that we make. We just basically are
working for the federal government on Monday and Tuesday. And
a lot of you, I don't think people do the
math and sit around and think about it. But wait
a minute, on Monday Tuesday, however many days of the
week you work. If you work five days, it's a
good chance at about two of those days every like,
(12:02):
you don't start making your own money to Wednesday. This
is crazy, and it's just accepted because we've come to
expect that the federal government's just going to take, like
a massive vacuum cleaner, huge percentages of our money that
we're working for. Do I feel like my federal government
is giving me such good returns that I should have
(12:23):
to work for them every Monday and Tuesday or Thursday
and Friday, however you want to classify it. No, I
do not, And I think a lot of you out
there when you actually put it in that context. You know,
you can put it in context of the months, how
many of us. Basically, I work for the government Monday too, sorry, January, February, March,
April into May. Like, that doesn't seem very fair to me,
(12:45):
So they take fifteen percent more. Do I want to
work for the state of New York for fifteen percent
of my daily time?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Do I want to work for the state of California
or the state of Illinois, No, I do not. I
think a lot of Americans are getting fed up with it.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Having so grateful Clay Whenever you go to la for
doing sports stuff, you pay a little bit into the
Gavin Fund, and he'll have you out for chardonnay. You know,
he's just so pleased, so happy that you're paying into
the giant black hole of California's finances. What was the
deficit they ran this past is huge for a state, Oh,
(13:21):
bill billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Yeah, turns out even when you're taxing the you know
what out of people?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Not enough? Isn't that interest never enough for these communists?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Look?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
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Speaker 4 (14:50):
We said, we're going to dive into a client kind
of wants you because I've voted for this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, sure, way to put it. I've voted for this.
I did.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I wanted somebody who was going to come in and
say this cultural Marxism, this Maoist cultural revolution that was
really put in motion by the eight years of Obama,
but continued during the presidency of Joe Biden. This turning
(15:23):
our back on our history, rewriting history, feeling like we
should all be or at least some of us should be,
sorry for American history. All this No enough is enough,
and I think that we reached our fill of that
nonsense a long time ago. But here is a moment
(15:43):
in time where I actually wasn't even expecting Trump to
do this. I didn't know this was going to happen.
He has said that it is time for the Washington
commanders to go back to the Redskins, he had a
post on truth Social He said, the Washington what Evers
should immediately change their name back to the Washington Redskins
(16:04):
football team. There's a big clamoring for this. Likewise, the
Cleveland Indians, one of these six original baseball teams with
a storied past, are great. Indian people in massive numbers
want this to happen. Their heritage and prestige is systematically
being taken away from them. Times are different now than
they were three or four years ago. We are a
country of passion and common sense. All Caps owners get
(16:28):
it done. Mister Clay, is this going to get done?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
What do you make of this? What do you think
of this? Is it possible? And what do the fans want?
Take me through it.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
So I put up a poll, and I'm not saying
that my audience is one hundred percent representative of the
average sports fan, but my poll showed ninety seven percent
of my audience wanted the name to go back to
Washington Redskins. And I asked the question, and I think
it's a good one. Is there anybody out there that,
(17:03):
even if they are super left leaning, where it would
be ninety seven to three the other way right? So,
Let's presume Keith Olberman put up this poll for his audience.
I don't think ninety seven percent of his audience, even
though they are super left winging, crazy, insane people, would vote, hey,
(17:23):
keep the Washington commander's name. And I don't know that
the team and New York correct me if I'm wrong,
has not commented on this yet. The Cleveland Indians did
and they said we love the Guardians, And everybody listening
in Cleveland right now is saying, no, we don't. This
is a stupid name. We would much prefer that the
(17:44):
Cleveland Indian name came back. But I would say that
what is interesting to me about this is twofold one
Trump is putting it on his shoulders and actually giving
the team a little bit of a pass because he's saying, hey,
if you want a brand new stadium on federal land
(18:06):
in Washington, d C. And you want the federal government
and the District of Columbia government to help you and
provide hundreds of millions of dollars in financing, then one
of the conditions associated with this is I think you
should be the Redskins.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Again.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I don't dislike that this is not somebody deciding to
come in to a private business and dictate how they
do business. He's saying, Hey, if you want the federal
government's help to build a great new stadium in Washington,
d C. Then there are all sorts of conditions that
the government, as a partner in this negotiation, would demand.
(18:44):
Returning the name of Redskins. I think is a significant ask,
but also a reasonable one point two. This is I
think symbolically important because I hinted at this when we
went to break. I like to think of myself as
a reasonable Now. Some of you out there might say
you are crazy, You're not really okay, But I think
(19:05):
in general I have my pulse on the average sports
fan in America. I think I could sit down with them,
no matter where they're from, and we could have a
good conversation, no matter what their background. Buck points out,
and I do think it's true that if you are
a college football fan, I feel like I could find
common ground with you.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Clayton, he is not really a big hug guy, but
if you like college football, just give him a hug
when you see him. He's fine with it, as long
as you say you love a college football team, preferably
SEC maybe shake his hand if you're not an SEC fan,
but if you love college football, you can definitely shake
and just give him a hug. If you like the SEC,
he's fine with it. I think we speak a common language.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And for a long time I was of the opinion, hey,
I'm so tired of the mascot argument, and I think
this is the average guy and gal out there that
I was reasonable and I said, Okay, we'll give up redskins,
we'll give up Indians, we won't fight that hard over this,
(20:03):
and then it'll just put it to rest forever. And
it never does because leftists aren't satisfied ever. They never
sit back and say, hey, you know what, we're happy.
And I would say this, think about gay marriage, whatever
you think about gay marriage. I thought, when gay marriage happened, okay,
(20:23):
we've reached the logical extension of the left in America.
There is nowhere else they can go. Instead, they weren't
happy with that. They decided that men had to win
women's championships because men are actually women. And they decided that, Hey, also,
(20:45):
let's argue that if you don't accept someone else's change gender,
you're a bigot. And Buck is right here I think
if they could continue the advance, it would move on
to hey, it's unacceptable if you're a man and you
don't want to sleep with a man pretending to be
a woman, because they're real women too. Chicks with are
(21:09):
just normal chicks. And that was a bleep. I didn't
say it, but that's kind of where we're headed. And
so my point on this is the crazy just gets
accelerated and there isn't a reasonable Hey, okay, once and
for all, we've negotiated this like business people would, and
(21:30):
you say we're gonna put this behind us. Now this
is a negotiation. They keep asking for more, and so
I think instead of giving them more, culturally, you have
to take back what you already gave them, and you
have to draw the line and say we're not playing
this game anymore. A lot of colleges have changed, particularly
if they had anything that is Indian or Native American related.
(21:51):
A lot of college have changed their mascot, Dartmouth. That's
one of the worst examples of this. I think just
because they went from the they went from their Indian
mascot to the Big Green.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What is that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
That's not that's I don't even know what what is
the big green? It makes no sense. Yeah, the color,
I mean it's it's also it makes no sense at all.
I'm trying to see some of these other ones here,
Saint John's. I actually had a Saint John's Red Men
starter jacket growing up, just because I thought it was cool.
(22:26):
And they changed that one to the Red storm. UMass
was the Minute Men, and then they got rid of that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What's wrong with the Minute Men? I mean naming things
after colonials.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The colonials are gone. At George Washington, the colonial Army
was fighting against colonization, and they decided because it had
colonial in it, it had to go. Because people are
too much of morons to even understand language these days,
and frankly, universities which should exist to educate morons a
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k A eighteen year old. I'm still fired up about this.
They changed the name to the GW Revolutionaries, and I
don't think it's coincidental that the quad immediately got taken
over by a bunch of crazy left wing radicals who
want to say they put the cafe or however you
pronounce it on George Washington's statue in the center at campus.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You can't hold in idiots. I didn't know about this one.
Eastern Washington University used to be the mascot was the Savages.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's pretty that's pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I mean, yes, you know, if you're if you're on
the if your team is called the Savages, I feel
like you're getting fired up before you get out there
on the field.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
There's a lot of these.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Elon University was the Fighting Christians and they changed that.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You can't even do that.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Well, I mean there was pressure on Notre Dame the
Fighting Irish, which is one of the great mascots, and
again we just that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Would be that would be so to me, the Fighting Irish.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
They first of all, Irish people are actually no people
of Irish descenter offended.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
The whole thing is absurd.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
A leprechaun, it's cute, it's funny until you see the
leprechan movies, which are actually terrifying. With Warwick Davis, who
you know from Willow, which is a fun movie throwback,
but the actual leprechaun movies very have you ever seen them?
Clay very unsettling. It's a mean little leprechaun. He's not nice.
The horror not nice. It's a horror movie. Some people
are saying the meanest leprechaun. Don't see those. Don't let
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your kids see them either. But you see, the Fighting
Irish is such a brand that I think it's safe
because it's always about what's the brand value versus what's
the outcry going to be?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Same thing with Yale.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
As I pointed out before Eli who Yale was a
slave trader? Yale University is named for a person named
for a person who was enriching himself off of the
slave trade. So you know, in some ways, how much
worse is gonna be in this. It's you know, you
own slaves, that's bad, right, But if you're making money
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by making sure as many people as possible own slaves,
you would think that would be pretty bad. But people
go to Yale to say they go to Yale. They
don't want to say they go to you know, Southeastern
New Haven College of whatever. They want to say, they
go to Yale. And the Fighting Irish is a great
nickname and there's no reason why anybody should want that
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to be changed. As I pointed out that I was
always waiting for the Vikings to come under heat. There's
the Vikings did a lot of loot and pillage. A
lot of nasty stuff went into Actually, the Irish monasteries
looted those bad things going on there. Vikings were not
a bunch of cuddly guys with weird horned helmets on.
That's also, by the way, a total inacrotism. They never
had horned helmets. That comes from opera anyway. Whole other thing.
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But you know, this is something that finally Trump is saying,
this is just crazy town. And whether the team switch
back or not, I'm just glad Clay that someone's calling
this out and saying that it doesn't have to be
this way. We don't have to live our lives walking
on eggshells because miserable libs do mandit. Here's a question
for the history nerds out there. I have an argument
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that I think is accurate, But it feels to me
like society at large is essentially saying everything that happened
from about twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two was completely wrong,
and we're in the process of erasing all of it.
Whether it's BLM protests, whether it was the response to COVID,
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whether it was the changing of the nicknames, whether it
was Leah Thomas winning a Women's Swimming Championship.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
This is the.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Counter revolution, This is the trump counter revolution to the
Maoist insanity. What is another American analogy of something like
this happening, because the nineteen sixties is probably the easiest
era going Probably Reaganism. Reaganism as a response to all
the just degrading, an anti American, nonsensical radicalism of the
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late sixties and in through the seventies of Vietnam era.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I think Reaganism was the response to that.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
But I would say there was actually some good clearly
that came out of the civil rights movement. Right, it's
good that everybody who's an American citizen should be able
to freely vote and everybody. So what is good that
came out of twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two. That
is a lasting legacy of Usually you have progress and
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people say, okay, that progress is good, and then it
goes too far right, the pendulum swings too far, and
you can go from hey, we should have equal rights
in America.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Everyone should.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's an aspirational goal, but maybe hey, you shouldn't define
who gets into a school based on the color of
your skin. That's swinging it too far. In other words,
civil rights. Okay, great society, too much with with.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
LBJ.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
What is the good? This is what I think is
really kind of fascinating about this. What is something good
that happened from fourteen to twenty two?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And i'm the proliferation, the proliferation of police body cams,
which is essentially the end of the anti cop and
BLM moves.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Oh, that's a good argument. That's a good argument. So
unintentionally takes unintentional wins. Yeah, but that that consequence is real.
The reason you don't see these huge anti cop protest
the way is because the Internet and body camera footage,
and we see, Oh, I'm actually constantly amazed at how
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reasonable and even deferential police saw in the face of
a lot of aggression and disrespect. That's what you actually
see when you pay attention to the reality of the
video footage on these body cams. And and the other
thing is that when there's somebody who's when there's a
cop that crosses the line, everyone hates that, including including cops.
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They don't want bad cops, they don't want cops who
are hurting people when they're not supposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
So you know, there's nothing but upside on the body
came great.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's a great point because BLM basically is Getty has
been destroyed because one it led to way more death
everything else. But every time they try to make a
viral incident, if it's almost always you're like, man, the
cop showed a lot of restraint there. Yes, I mean
overwhelmingly the person's name goes viral. Social media is like,
by the way, what I would say all of this
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Speaker 4 (31:17):
All right, welcome back into Clay, and but let's talk
about the latest on Russia Gates, Russia collusion, all that
stuff for a second.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
There's some new news on this one.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
As we know, d and I Gabbard, whom I had
a long conversation with when Clay and I were in DC.
Clay was supposed to be part of that conversation, but
he showed up in his timey bahamas and his flip
flops to the White House and they said, excuse me, sir,
excuse me, No, just kidding.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
He didn't have his passport, which I remember.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I just so you know, I'm not like the guy
who leaves his buddies behind in line at the nightclub.
I actually asked the Director of National Intelligence, I said,
can we go get Clay? He doesn't have his passport,
But you can just wave him in, right, And she
was like, they won't let me.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
In without my passport And I said.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Okay, well in that case, you added, I didn't have
real ID, and then I didn't have my passport with
me and you had to have one or the other
to be able to get in, not just my regular
driver's license.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, she said, these rules do not do not get waived. Sorry,
you know, we love Clay, but he can come back
tomorrow or next time. So but I long talk with
Tulci what we talked about off the record, But I
asked her, I said, can I say that we hung
out and talked for a while about, you know, what's
going on in the country. So Tulsie has has a
mandate within the director, within the intelligence community of cleaning.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Up the mess.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It is still a and I can put it this way.
The brand, the the brand perception of the intelligence community
went from post nine to eleven. Yeah, of course, huge failure.
We get hit on nine to eleven. So there's that,
there's that reality. But then there was a surge of people,
including a lot of uh former military, including a lot
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of elite military unit special Opera raiders who were working
hand in glove with the intelligence community to find these guys, right,
I mean it's CIA Seal Team six, CIA Delta Force.
I mean these units or you know, these entities were
symbiotic overseas doing incredibly important work in the what I
still believe we should just call the War on Terror.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We don't have a better name for it. The GWATT.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And many of you served in the GWATT and I
thank you for your service, and I think that that,
unfortunately has gotten.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
A little bit lost in the shuffle lately. People.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I feel like our g WAT veterans, people, a lot
of people in this country are moving on beyond what
happened there. We should remember what they did and the
sacrifices that they made. But I think Clay, the intelligence community,
because of the Obama years and the weaponization of it
against Trump specifically, has now become a broadly distrusted entity.
(33:53):
The point where I was only I was only there
for g WATT years. I see, you know, I'll appear
in some show or something, I'll be on file, one
of our clips will go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
People will say, you can't trust this guy, he was CIA.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I'm like, I remember when I was in CIA and
we're trying to stop in Laden from blowing up the
next plane.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And that was a real thing. Okay, So I don't know,
but this is what happened.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
The people who ran the place decided that they were
above the law and they were in a position to
change election outcomes. Really and and I think that it
should be remembered. And I give I give my friend
Ben Dominic, who's a Fox guy. I give him credit
for this for pointing this out on Twitter over the
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weekend because somebody said, I don't know who it was.
You know, they tried to use this Russia collusion thing
to take Trump down, and Ben wrote, they almost succeeded.
I think people forget that now we see this in retrospect,
because that's absolutely correct. They almost this almost worked. They
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almost use this trap completely successfully to destroy the Trump administration,
destroy Trump and his family. So Tulci Gabbert is now
demanding that Cash Bettel and Pam Bondi investigate Obama.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Era DOJ officials. She says it's.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Their responsibility, or rather they are responsible. Well, both both
Pam and Cash have this responsibility, and these people from
the Obama years are responsible.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So here we go.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Here is this has cut fourteen team, and here's Tulsi
laying out what she sees now with access to it
all as the Director of National Intelligence, play it.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Creating this piece of manufactured intelligence that claims that Russia
had helped Donald Trump get elected contradicted every other assessment
that had been made previously in the months leading up
to the election that said exactly the opposite, that Russia
neither had neither the intent nor the capability to try
to quote unquote hack the United States election for the
presidency of the United States. So the effect of what
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President Obama and his senior national security team did was
subvert the will of the American people, undermining our democratic republic,
and enacting what would be essentially a year's long coup
against President Trump, who was duly elected by the American people.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, so I think I speak for average American out there,
is anybody ever going to get arrested or charged for
any of this because otherwise, yes, everything that Tulsea just
said there I believe is true. I think all of
the evidence out there is that the whole Russia collusion
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lie was manufactured. I think if you just look at
basically what went on, they laundered this story through the
New York Times in the Washington Post, which gave all
of the reporters who wrote it Pulitzers for fundamentally untrue
stories that were designed to destroy Trump's ability to be
president of the United States first term.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
All of that, I think is one hundred per century.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think that this is why there's so much blowback
on the Epstein front. I think many people out there
look at this and say, I've heard it all before.
Nobody ever pays Democrats indict Republicans like crazy purp walk
them everywhere, bankrupt them, sit them down, make them get
their photos taken.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Whether you're the.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
President of the United States, all the way down to
a grandma who walked into the Capitol on jan six
and was using selfie stick to take pictures, those people
are all held accountable. They throw the entire book at them,
Democrats unless they decide somebody is not useful, like Robert Menendez, right,
and they just toss him to the side, and then
they got a new senator who they bring in instead. Basically,
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no Democrat ever suffers any consequences, no matter what crimes
they break. Is anything going to happen from this no, yeah,
see that that's where I think people get so frustrated.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Sorry to say, and I think that that's people I
know want they want that to be untrue what I said,
and maybe maybe it will be. But here's the here's
the first thing that I would say, Okay, the only
statute that I can think of, like things like I
don't even know if there is a federal statue for
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official misuse of position. That was something that I know
there is actually because when I was CIA, we had
that right like if you if you were if you
claimed and you use like your CIA identification to get
out of like a speeding you know, there were things
where you couldn't just say, like I'm CIA on a
covert like you can't stop official and you get fired
at me. Obviously, so official misuse of position, But that's
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not a huge thing, meaning you're not gonna go to
prison for a long time for that. You're not gonna
go to prison at all. Conspiracy. Here's the thing about conspiracy,
because I think there is an there you could go
for conspiracy charges here, statutes five years, statutes five years.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
So what about leaking? What about leaking top secret information
to the press? Statute is I think ten on that,
So you're still a little bit potentially it's getting close.
Depend still potentially be under that depend track down how
the leaking happened.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
Those are but again those are very difficult cases approve it. Yeah,
I think the statute on those is ten years. Uh so.
But so this is what I just want to break
this down for everybody. What you know, Trump is saying
that they should be prosecuted. Uh, okay, should be sure,
should have been definitely, How can they be under the
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system that we have. I don't see it. And now
people I know, I understand I'm going to get immediately
with this. Uh treason. Treason has a specific federal definition.
Treason is not just betraying your country in a general
Now it's used that way in conversation, but there is
a specific federal statutory explanation of the charge of treason,
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and I don't think you'll be able to get anywhere
near that with these with essentially a plot cooked up
inside the intelligence community, with the Obama administration running point
on it, using the media to launder it and then
putting it out there, and then using the Justice Department
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to try to undermine from the inside of the Trump administration.
I just I don't see what the statue would and
so don't write in and tell me or Clay they
betrayed Yeah, I know, they betrayed the country. I Trump
used to retweet me on this stuff all the time
because I knew that they were lying about what's going on,
the intelligence community. They were lying about their usifiers of
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their life.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
We know all of that. Here, what are you going
to get them on?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Now?
Speaker 4 (40:52):
What is the charge going to be? What is the
federal criminal indictment going to be against comy again? You know,
you know, name the people involved?
Speaker 2 (41:02):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Tell me what it is and if it sounds reasonable, great,
you know, then then we'll have an answer. But I
don't see it, and I wish that wasn't the case.
But I'm just telling everybody what I know.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
I think it would have to be leaking the documents
to start the whole process. And that means you go
after reporters. That means you go after the New York Times.
That means you go after.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
Super complix, super complicated to do that, by the way,
and those all kinds of problems, those reporters will all scream, hey,
we're you know, we support the First Amendment, like we're
being attacked by the federal government.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Sometimes they'll go to prison to avoid avoid revealing sources.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
This is where I can remind every people always always
say no way, Clay. The Obama administration use the Espionage Act,
not just more than any presidents before him, he used
it more than every presidency before him combined.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, thinking about that, I just look at this and say,
it's particularly nasty because you're leaking classified documents which may
not accurately reflect overall consensus view, and the reporters who
report on it don't have access to all the countervailing
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opinions that might be inside of an agency, and they
take it at face value. And then because it was
anti Trump, they gave them all Pulitzer prizes. Remember, I
don't think the POETR has rescinded any of these reports,
any of these awards, And they treated them as if
they were heroes when all they were doing was laundering
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inaccurate information designed to destroy the Trump administration.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's actually.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Nasty on a level that I am still incredibly frustrated
about it. I think it ultimately destroyed the legitimacy of
much of the of much of the reporting universe, and
unless you get them for leaking classified documents. I think, unfortunately,
this is just another case where we know many crimes
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were committed and there are no consequences for them. And
I think a lot of people throw up their hands
and say, there is no law that holds Democrats accountable. Meanwhile,
whether you're President Trump all the way down to like
I said, a grandma walking into the Capitol on January sixth,
you get the book thrown at you, and meanwhile Republicans
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do nothing by and large to Democrats in exchange.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
Well, this is where you get into so not because
because again I feel exactly where you are on this.
There's this frustration we are side always gets the book
thrown out them, even for and they always get away
with it. Well here's what they did. Remember the Supreme
Court had to weigh in on this. They treated obstruction
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as an official proceeding. I mean they expanded this definition
of obstruction of a of an official proceeding is really
meant to prevent people from destroying all the evidence in
a federal criminal investigation. And they use this to go
after j six people. So what they do is really
unconstitutionally expand a statute to go after their political enemies
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and ruin their lives. We could do that too, I mean,
you know, but that's what it would require, is what
I'm saying. If you're telling me we're gonna use a
real statute in good faith and approach it in this way,
I don't see how you're gonna get not only Comey
sent to prison or anything like that. I don't even
think he's gonna I don't even think I could bring
(44:38):
a charge. I don't know what the charge is unless
you want to just shoehorn something into it. Maybe some
of you do, but that's I think what this would require.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yeah. Look, and the Statute of Limitations factors in here
in a big way. And I get why all of
you are frustrated, because I feel like all these things
are basically proven and then there are no consequences for them,
and so everybody just throw up their hands and says,
here we go again. Yes they did something illegal, No,
nothing happens to them.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah.
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economic illiteracy. We talked about Colbert Guys losing forty million
dollars a year on his show. Show costs over one
hundred million dollars a year. He is being paid either
fifteen or twenty million dollars a year, and they announced
that they're going to cancel it, and immediately Democrats are
up in arms. Over the weekend, similar situation happens. WNBA
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All Star Game is going on in Indianapolis. The girls
in the WNBA that play on the teams, the women
walk out in pay us what You Owe Us t shirts.
The WNBA, according to the New York Post, is on
track to lose forty million dollars this year. That means
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actually owe all of the owners around two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars each. That is, instead of being paid,
they would actually need to pay the owners of the
WNBA franchises two hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. To me,
the connection here is the WNBA is the most left
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wing I think it's fair to say sports organization in
America right now that is unfortunate because they're alienating a
ton of the fan base that they suddenly have. But
much like with Stephen Colbert, there is a belief in
sort of fantasy economics that you should be paid vast
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sums of money even though you're making no money. And
I think it ties in with the larger issues that
democrats have in general, because there used to be a
lot of Democrats in positions of power that had some
knowledge of basic economics, had worked largely in business, understood
how capitalism works. Now you have a lot of AOC's
(49:48):
a lot of people out there who say, oh, when
the news comes out that Amazon wants to locate a
huge headquarters. I believe it was in Queens. You'll probably
remember this better than I did. Specific location, and they say, oh,
we can't be giving all of these dollars away, and
they don't even understand how tax abatements and tax credits work.
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They think that actual dollars of cash and taxpayer dollars
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You sent me over the weekend in an outburger. Their
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how nice. Franklin is getting too full, so you should
never move here. It is awful.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I have a friend out there who says that there
are fifteen thousand apartment in housing units being built in
the next five years in Franklin already, something like something like, really.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
We don't want you to come. It's awful. I don't
know how anybody could ever have a good time here.
I don't know how you could raise a family. You know,
we're struggling as best we can to make do with
what we have here in Franklin, Tennessee. But I did
think it was interesting. She was specifically asked in that interview,
why are you leaving California? She said, it just became
(51:13):
too difficult. Now they still have offices in California, but
they're opening up what's being called in East Coast Headquarters
in Franklin, Tennessee, which is about twenty miles south of Nashville,
for those of you who don't know the geography. And
I do think this is starting to happen everywhere. And
what connects all these stories is a inability to understand
(51:34):
basic business, how paychecks work, how people make money for
the labor they produce. And I do think that it
is making it incredibly difficult for Democrats to dig themselves
out of the hole. Do you see that connection with
Colbert and the WNBA. It's like this fantastical world where
you don't have to have any economic understanding of how
your boss makes money and you just expect the money
(51:56):
truly grows on trees.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Well.
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, and also themocrats took over a lot of corporations
that were built over a very long time by people
who were not Communists. And whether it was infiltration through
HR first and then the C suite later when DEI
concerns were directing a lot of hiring. Even at the
most senior levels, you have people who it's a bit
(52:21):
like the California situation where Gavin Newsom takes over a
beautiful state that's incredibly rich with a ton of people
and says, I'm not screwing it up. Look at how
rich and beautiful this place is. Well, yeah, but everything
you're doing is making it worse. It's true of companies
and media entities as well. A lot of these places
sixty minutes people are saying is in trouble. There are
(52:42):
a lot of these old media institutions that are I
don't even know who owns these things anymore. Right, there's
all these mergers and the moving around. But what you
find out is that news used to be they used
to go for news class. I understand that a place
like ABC, they were just hoping it was revenue neutral.
So they've always been something.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Of a corporate hobby horse.
Speaker 4 (53:06):
In some of these places. But that's for the news
only side of things. Late night shows used to be
wildly profitable. Late night shows should be making it should
be cash cows. And what you're finding is that when
people have more options and more choice, and I also
think even more familiarity with who these individuals are on
these shows, what you find is that they can't justify
(53:30):
these enormous salaries and these tremendous corporate expenditures, and the
world where the Democrats can count on having total airway
dominance handed to them like built in that world is
evaporating very quickly, and that's a good thing. Finally, now
(53:52):
with the break it actually was particularly bad for a
while with the Internet because they had locked down the
major Internet, major Internet social media sites and uh, you
know Netflix in these places are still pretty big problems,
but Clay, we're seeing a change in the ability of
it's not even just Republican or Conservatives, just same voices
(54:14):
to break through, and they can't get away with the
same kind of nonsense.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I've loved so if you I think I said
this on the show last week. If you had told
me when I was fourteen years old or thirteen years old, hey,
you get to pick any media job in the world
to have, I probably would have said, hey, SportsCenter anchor
or late night TV host, because I thought, hey, those
are two of the best jobs that are out there.
(54:38):
Sports center anchor basically doesn't exist now because then the
highlights of sports are widely distributed. Nobody sits and watches it. Anyway,
was Keith Olberman a good Sports Center annger. I never
watched it, Yeah, and he and Dan Patrick. Back in
the day, I would wake up buck, I would eat
my cereal while I was getting ready to go off
(54:58):
to school, and I would have on Sports Center, because
back in the day you might not know who won
the late night games. And I would sit there and
I would eat my cereal and I would just think, Man,
these guys are so funny. They're having such a good time.
This is like the best job that's ever existed late
night Again, I understand every kid, including my own. Now
the summers are completely packed. You have one hundred and
(55:20):
sixty eight different camps that your kids go to for
a variety of sports or dance or whatever they're into.
I just sat it home, and I had this huge
amount of time, didn't have a license yet, and watched
and read and I was just kind of on my own.
And late night television you still love it. But to me,
what's interesting is when you think about what late night
(55:41):
television show happened and why the collapse in business occurred.
Comedy specials are now everywhere. I remember back in the
day we used to pass around like Eddie Murphy Raw
or Eddie Murphy. You know, like the VHS cassette tapes
of the relatively few people who got HBO special and
you would watch them, but they weren't very common, and
(56:04):
some people, some of you, probably had cassette discs of
old school maybe CDs of old school comedy specials.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
It was not easy to get a comedy special.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now they're everywhere you get on Netflix, and there's trending
comedy specials and you can watch any number of comics
on any given night. And then the podcast long form
interview has a lot of celebrities. Instead of sitting for
five minute, sort of lame interviews to promote their movies,
they now do longer form interviews if they're reasonably intelligent people.
(56:35):
There just is no late night TV audience. I think
it could have existed probably for another decade if they
hadn't gone political. But the entire concept of that show
has been exploded and it now has gone into a
bunch of different pieces. And I do think that you're
seeing a dynamic reordering of who people trust, and I
(56:56):
think all that matters. My theory here is authenticity, not
expectation that you're going to agree with everybody, not expectation
that you're going to have the exact same opinion on
every issue, but just hey, are they telling me something
that is true? And I think the reason radio continues
to have a lot of cogency is you can't fake it.
(57:18):
Cannot fake three hours a day of radio, for better
or worse. We are what you think we would be,
and that can be good or bad. But I think
the late shows they faked it a long time and
as a result, going super woke and getting blown up,
I think is fascinating. I think WNBA's got major issues
with not understanding basic economics. Take it from someone with
(57:39):
a law degree. You want to have a will or
trust if you're out there right now and you got
younger kids, or you got grandkids, and you are already
trying to deal with their disagreements, thinking about how Thanksgiving
is going to be set up in a few months,
not that far away now, and you're worried about what
might happen when you're gone with maybe your house, maybe
your car. Maybe it's just a couple bank accounts you got,
(58:02):
and you know, maybe it's things that really matter to
you that are family prize possessions that are inside of
the house. You know your kids are going to fight
over it. Why not go ahead and solve it once
and for all and do a will and a trust.
Buck and I both have wills and trust done. We
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(58:22):
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