July 31, 2025 • 56 mins
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Kamala Harris announced she will not run for California governor in 2026. Clay and Buck analyze her new book, 107 Days, and preview her upcoming appearance on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert—her first major interview since her 2024 presidential campaign defeat.
Clay and Buck make a new steak bet about Kamala Harris’s political future. They engage in a spirited discussion over whether Harris will run for president in 2028. Clay argues she will, citing her age, lack of alternative pursuits, and her unique position as a Black female candidate with strong name recognition. Buck counters that Harris is politically finished, suggesting she’s more likely to take a ceremonial role at a university or think tank. The conversation touches on Democratic Party strategy, the importance of the South Carolina primary, and the influence of figures like James Clyburn.
Mayor Mamdani?
The conversation shifts to New York City politics, where the hosts critique mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani for his past support of defunding the police and his proposal for city-run grocery stores. They warn that his policies could lead to economic and public safety disasters, drawing comparisons to failed socialist models. The segment includes a broader critique of progressive governance and its effects on urban housing, crime, and affordability.
Dr. Oz on the Future of Healthcare
Dr. Oz, now serving as Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under the Trump administration, outlines the administration’s ambitious healthcare agenda. He addresses the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in America, the chronic disease epidemic, and the mental health crisis, emphasizing the role of loneliness as a key driver of poor health outcomes. Dr. Oz also highlights a recent White House event where major tech and healthcare companies pledged to return control of medical records to patients and modernize healthcare through digital innovation.
A major focus is the “big beautiful bill” that introduced work requirements for Medicaid recipients, aiming to restore dignity and autonomy to able-bodied Americans while preserving the program’s integrity. Dr. Oz defends the policy as a moral and economic imperative, drawing parallels to President Clinton’s welfare reform.
The conversation shifts to prescription drug pricing, where Dr. Oz announces a new “most favored nation” pricing policy to combat global freeloading and reduce U.S. drug costs. He compares this initiative to NATO’s cost-sharing model, asserting that America should no longer bear the financial burden of global pharmaceutical R&D alone.
Technology’s transformative role in healthcare is another key theme. Dr. Oz discusses how AI, robotics, and automation will streamline care, reduce administrative waste, and combat fraud—highlighting a recent $15 billion DOJ takedown of a multinational criminal network exploiting Medicare.
FTC Commissioner Melissa Holyoak
FTC Commissioner Melissa Holyoak joins the show to discuss the agency’s efforts to protect consumers from sophisticated scams, including AI-driven voice cloning fraud. She outlines the FTC’s enforcement mechanisms, collaboration with the DOJ, and focus on anti-competitive mergers in the fast-evolving tech sector. Holyoak also promotes the FTC’s “Made in USA” labeling enforcement, encouraging businesses and consumers to report violations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in appreciate all of you hanging out with us
as we are rolling through the Thursday edition of the program,
and we have got a loaded program for all of you.
Nancy Pelosi flustered when she's confronted with insider trading allegations.
Mom Donnie the Democrat nominee on in the New York
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City mayor's race, we will break down his sudden change
of heart when it comes to defunding the police. Certainly
interesting timing there. But we begin with our good friend
Kamala Harris. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after we finished the program,
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Kamala announced that she will not run for governor in
twenty twenty six. Since then, she has announced that she
has a new book out called one hundred and seven
Days that will be out sometime next month or sorry,
in September for those of you, I guess it's the
last day of July. For those of you want to
(01:06):
make sure that that is on your calendar so that
you do not miss the opportunity to buy that on
the release day. It will be coming out in September.
She also just announced, or it was just reported, that
she will be Stephen Colbert's guest tonight on his late show.
This is the very first interview Kamala will have done
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since her epic defeat in the twenty twenty four campaign.
She has to a large extent, stayed out of public
view for the last six months or so in the
wake of that election defeat and the obvious inauguration day
that followed. But I thought that we should first let's
(01:49):
start with this. Let's go on the record, Buck if
you want to, I don't even know what your answer
is going to be on this. Do you believe that
she will run in twenty two, twenty eight or do
you think this is effectively Kamala Harris waiving the proverbial
white flag and letting it be known that she is
no longer going to be involved in serious politics.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know what I've said all along, Clay, I am
a firm believer in Kamala Harris is on her way
to a chancellorship or some other quasi ceremonial overpaid role
at a UC school, university, California school, or something like that.
(02:36):
Maybe she is, you know, a senior something or other,
you know, a chancellor emeritus or something at the Brookings Foundation,
you know, like, but she's out of the political game.
Is my point here, the fact that she's written a
book about the one hundred days. The only way this
book could be worth reading and could be interesting in
(02:56):
the least is if Kamala Harris was going score work yeah,
and just lighting up every Democrat who crossed her, every
idiot who gave her some of the worst advice I've
ever seen. It was clear that she was advised, for example,
not to do media. That was and she started doing
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media when the public outcry was, Hey, you're running for president.
It's been a few weeks since you became the nominee. Effectively,
you have to actually talk to people. You can't just
have the machine do all this for you. But now
we get to clay, was it actually better for her
(03:38):
to not do any of the media here is for example,
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, hold on before before we get the Kamala I
actually disagree. I think she's gonna run. I think she
will run in twenty twenty. Bet stake best steak. Bet
Let me let me yes steak bet on Kamala's future.
Let me lay out why I think she will run
because I understand market down, team market down. I understand
(04:04):
your argument of she can get a multimillion dollar relaxed job.
She isn't actually a very talented politician. It's rare for
Democrats to renominate a candidate who lost.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can run through all of those different things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think she has anything else in her life.
This is me getting into the psychoanalysis of Kamala Harris one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That is relatively young as these things go in the
political process. Hillary, somebody can look up the exact age
Hillary was. But actually, I think Hillary had a I
can't believe. I'm gonna say Hillary has a life outside
of politics in some way. She's got a daughter, she's
got grandkids, She's got a husband that at least she
(04:51):
has been with for a long time and has some
sort of relationship with. I don't think Kamala actually likes
Doug him Hoff. I think he's a loser. I think
deep down she knows that he's a loser, not a
particularly likable or charismatic guy.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Her.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
She doesn't have any kids, she doesn't have any pre
existing life. She's I can't believe that. I'm not trying
to just utterly destroy her, but I think she's an
empty soul. And politics feels the void in her life
that otherwise doesn't exist. There are other people out there
(05:29):
that and you all know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would argue with you that Hillary Clinton actually has
an even bigger hole in her soul and doesn't care
that she has a husband who she obviously does not
have any real uh you know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Maybe, but she has a daughter, she has grandkids like Hillary.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think either.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Hillary has a life that is more filling
in its way than Kamala does. I mean, I can
understand the argument, and but I just look at this
and I say, hey, she was.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Utterly humiliated in this election, utterly coo. She lost. Yes,
she lost every swing state.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
She looked like at the same she's a disaster. But
she can at least say it wasn't why didn't she hear?
With this book, it's trying to reframe the narrative of
the disaster. Now, I know you're saying, well, maybe that's
to reframe it so she can run again in a
few years, Clay, the Democrats are going to want to
move on everything Biden related entirely, and at least Kamala
(06:30):
Harris can go out now on the speaking tour and
take that Chancellor's job at you know, you see San
Diego or whatever, making a million dollars a year to
go to cocktail parties and sound like an imbecile. If
she runs again, she has to put herself out there
for other Democrats to further destroy her brand. Now she's
(06:50):
a former vice president who was pushed into the slot.
That's obviously part. I haven't read the book, but I
could tell you what the book's about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It was I did my.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Best under difficult circumstances, and like, you know, please don't
hate me. That's her book, it's not I'm amazing. I'm
the leader of the Democrat Party going forward. And Gavin Newsom,
by the way, he is going to work all the donors.
He's gonna work the entire system in California. So there's
not even a.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Hint of a lane for Kamala to run. We got
a stake on this one. I get the argument. Your
argument is not a bad one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I just think she has to do this because I
don't think she has anything else in her life, and
I think there are a lot of people that advise
her that also are incentivized to build her back up
and convince her that she needs to run.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Here's the other.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think politics was the easiest way for her to
get a job that paid her and gave her prominence
and access. And if that now is offered to her
outside of politics, she would far. She's never had to
run a real campaign, obviously, look at the campaign she ran.
She is the dee, the pinnacle of Dei and it
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all collapsed.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But look at the like I can't believe that I'm
now going to be made making the commed showtrageous. It
is that I'm now if I'm Kamala's chief commissar, her
chief of staff, whoever her conflict consigliari is, they don't
pounce the g consolieri consiliary, whoever the person is that
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can put her in a position that then elevates his
or her position. Look at the rest of the Democrat
field of minority candidates, and we know black voters are
a huge part of the overall electorate. Look, Stacy Abrams
is dead in the water, Karen Bass is dead in
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the water. There is no black female candidate unless Oprah
runs or somebody like that that can go into the
Kamala arena right to get the nomination. This is the
way I'm sketching it out in her mind. Wes Moore
is unchallenged. Corey Booker is is just lighting himself on fire.
She is the number one my norready candidate in a
(09:02):
field buck that may start in South Carolina because remember
there's now a battle over what is the overall flow
chart of the Democrat Party. If James Clyburn says as
he did when Kamala got elevated, it's Kamala, She'll be
the nominee. There's going to be a bunch of white guys.
Gavin Newsom, I hope you're right. I hope you're right,
(09:24):
But you're you're saying, you're saying why she's going to
be the nominee or why she's going to run. Well,
I think guy's going to be the nominee. We gotta
go more than a stake. I need like a trip
to Saint Barbe. That's that's where. That's where they're going
to pitch her. So I'm just sketching out why she's
going to run because they're going to say, you're the
only black candidate that can get black support. If James
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Clyburn is still live in South Carolina and he says
you're the pick, much like Joe Biden became the nominee.
Look Mayor, Pete, Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, They're all kind
of running for the same lane.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Who is the just put it to.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
The lost everywhere she could possibly lose as badly as
she could lose. It would be almost unthinkable for a
Democrat to underperform Kamala's numbers in this last election. You're
going to get me. I hope what you're saying is true.
I just think the Democrats aren't that insane, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I mean, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
They're going to pitch to her, who is the minority
candidate that is going to get the black vote instead
of her?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think Democrats think that. I don't think Democrats
are necessarily going to run a minority. Joe Biden, by
the way, had phenomenal support among the black community of
Democrat voters.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I don't think you need to run a mind. I
think you're artificially limiting the field.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But Joe Biden didn't have to overcome a minority candidate
because Kamala was so bad she had already dropped out.
It was Joe Biden when by the time Cliburn.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Made sure there was Corey Booker, there was Kamala Harris,
there was that guy from those guys as the congressman
who's Latin Latin America.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Those guys were gone by the time Cliburn had to
make the decision. Remember, if they start in South Carolina,
and I don't know that they are. If they start
in South Carolina, then the black vote is going to matter.
The black vote doesn't matter in Iowa and New Hampshire
because it doesn't exist, which is why Democrats have said, hey,
we should start with South Carolina. You start with South
Carolina again, that will be a signe of whether Kamala
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is gonna run. I think she's gonna run.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So do you disagree with.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
This statement if they run Kamala in well, see, no,
we're conflating a little bit here because you're saying she's
going to run. Maybe she runs, but if she does,
she's doing it for the book sales and the attention.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I would I would we agree?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Chance?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Zero zero chance.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't even agree with that because if they start
with South Carolina, I think it will be a minority voter,
a minority candidate that gets the South Carolina primary win.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now maybe it's West running for governor of California. Why
wouldn't she do it? No, why isn't she doing it?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Because I think she doesn't think that it gains her
any standing. If she runs in twenty twenty eight, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Clai, twenty twenty eight is a long time away. People
are going to forget who Kamala Harris is. What might
be might be good for her, That's what I'm saying.
It might be good, though, but I think her name
recognition is going to fade along with it. I think
she's in a far better position running for president if
she was the governor of California. I just I actually
think if she's governor, she exposes herself because she does
(12:23):
far more public events. She's an empty suit. She's an
awful candidate. But I think you have to get into
her peanut brain and think as she lays this all out,
I think she is going to run.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's put in a pole question. I'm curious, like what
people think. By the way, you could weigh in and
we got a long time to think of. But remember people.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Are a various fellow. I think he's wrong top to
bottom on this one. I think he's wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
People are going to announce by January of twenty seven,
So it sounds like it's a long time away until
November of twenty eight. But people, the Democrats are going
to officially be chopping at the bit and announcing in
January February.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You may be right, I may be right, but we
have deprived the audience of the greatest hits of Kamala
because of how we will play those. We would hit those, Yes,
we have to hit those, okay, because that I think
will also shed some light on the discussion. Wow, Kamala Harris. Wow,
you know we talk about the The best case maybe
for a Kamala resurgence would be the career of Joe Biden,
(13:25):
who ran three times. Was a total loser, but that
was contingent upon a once in a century pandemic and
a mass delusion that allowed a dementia patient to hide
in a basement and have people cheering for him to
be hiding in that basement. You would need clay, something
completely world changing for Kama. They would have to be
(13:47):
like the COVID pandemic. For Kamala. Harris even be the nominee.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But remember Biden was the nominee before COVID hit. He
won in South Carolina because Clyburn said vote for and
then Super Tuesday happened, all before COVID became an issue,
and then they hit him right if he had.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Had to be I mean how he became president.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, but even yeah, but even the nominee, they
basically just said it's Biden and to knock out Bernie Well,
that was name recognition, tied to him being eight years
of Obama's wingman. That's that was the whole decision, and
it was the system just deciding that the guy who
was with the guy who won twice can win again.
And it was a very unique moment in time for
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Joe Biden because obviously he wasn't even leading and they
picked him.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But that's because they thought he could win and they
managed to do it. I know, they cheated whatever. But
Kamala Harris Clay Clay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We'll get into this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He's gonna say, I deserve to be the full nominee.
I deserve a black woman. They just threw me in
to try to take.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The your your buddy Cuomo, who you said was gonna
be mayor and then president. He's about to get his
ass kicked by Mom, Donnie. I know he was gonna run.
I said he was gonna run for president. And that's
a mess. I did not see Mom Donnie.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Come, I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't think if he gets his ass kicked by
Mom Donnie, he's gonna run for president after that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think that's But if you were able to win
as an independent, I think you would.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The thing is, some of these people are insane enough
that I can't entirely even if I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Have anything else.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is where your argument of what do you actually
lose by running for president is actually a good one,
Like most people, I guess. I mean, if you're telling
me that is Kama gonna run in a few years
and she's gonna end up with like five percent or
ten percent of the vote or something, I'm like maybe.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But all right, all right, let's hear from all of
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Speaker 3 (17:23):
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Buck, It does, but it's actually a big summit going
on in Brazil. The formal name is BRICKS, which stands
for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But they've
just added five new members.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Well that's an understatement.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
their sway in the global financial order.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
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Speaker 3 (18:04):
Can he give us some inside intel?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Absolutely, He's been there since day one. In fact, a
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Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
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Speaker 2 (18:18):
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to ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. Some new data
has come out on the New York City mayor's race.
And if anyone's wondering, why should you care you live
in the Midwest, or the South, or the West Coast,
or the sun Belt or the Ohio River Valley or wherever, well,
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because this is going to be I think a test
case for the Democrat Party nationwide. Can they win in
the biggest city in America with really the furthest left
wing candidate that we've seen at this level at least
of a mayor's race in New York for a very
long time. This guy is more radical than to Blasio,
(19:46):
certainly more a left wing than Mayor Eric Adams.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
A moment in time where the Democrats are going to
have to start to choose. Remember it was sly of
Biden during the whole Blm anti cop mess in twenty twenty.
Biden never said defund police. I do think he knew enough.
He'd been in the game long enough to know that
was going to be a big problem for him in
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the general election if he did it, which he didn't do.
So whenever people talk about the Democrats defund police, that
that became a oh, it's AOC and it's it's the
squad and it was not associated with Biden specifically, even
though Kamala Harris, I know, you know, wanted to.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Did she put out a tweet.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
About the raising money for people in Minneapolis or something
or the bail fund?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Right, I mean, it's still Kamala.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, Kamala was more defund police by for sure than
Joe Biden was. But Mamdannie has had to show up
and speak in the aftermath of an NYPD officer gave
his life in the line of duty trying to defend
innocent people in that building, that office building on Park
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Avan during that mass shooting a few days ago, and
he's being asked, He's like, hold on, you are a
disband police guy.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You want to be the mayor.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now you're showing up after a cop died in a
line of duty trying to stop a deranged gunman where
do you really stand on disbanding, for example, an elite
NYPD unit that would respond to shootings just like this.
This is what Mom Donnie said, Play fifteen.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Over the course of this race, I've been very clear
about my view of public safety and the critical rule
that police have in creating that public safety that officers
are tasked with delivering while we ask them to respond
to nearly every failure of the social safety net, and
the vision that we've put forward in this campaign, despite
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what others may say, is not to defund the police.
It is, in fact, to allow those officers to respond
to these serious crimes that many of them signed up
to address, and to do so by ensuring that we
ask them to focus on those crimes, and we ask
mental health professionals to respond to calls of mental health crisis.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Great mental health professionals. How many mental health professionals are
they going to have on speed dial to deal with
with the NYPD terms an EDP, emotionally disturbed person, a lunatic,
like if we're running around the streets at three am naked,
barking like a dog and this stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That stuff happens in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, this is reality for the cops there, they say, oh,
we got an e VP we gotta do. They will
eventually take you to a mental health facility. But even
this idea that you're going to have mental health people respond,
what does that even mean? All they're going to try
to do is get somebody to that facility. And by
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the way, if they don't have cops there, they may
be attacked, bludgeons stabbed.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Does anyone want like.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A psychiatrist with the uh, you know, the tweed jacket
with the elbow to show up when some maniac is
waving a machete saying he wants to kill everybody?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
What world does Mom Dani and the people who support him?
What world do they live in?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Not?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The real one is the answer and the scary thing.
And then look, this is the argument I made a
couple of weeks ago on the show. I think at
some point democrats have to have to deal with the
choices that they are going to make. It's almost like
being a parent, and a lot of you out there
know what I'm talking about. If your kid keeps making
(23:32):
the wrong decisions and you do your best to steer
them away from it, you steer them away from it,
You steer them away from it. Sooner or later, experience
becomes the best teacher. Where you do something that is
moronic and your parents or your grandparents told you not
to do it, you do it, and then you're like, boy,
that was really dumb. And part of parenting is trying
(23:54):
to keep kids from doing things that are so stupid
that they ruin their future lifer unfortunately, even lose it.
And I feel like for Democrats they have to wear it.
They picked mom DOMI and I get it. People out
there of wr many of you are listening in the
Manhattan area and you're looking around. You're saying, Clay, you're
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just gonna throw us to the wolves. This guy's a moron.
Why should Republicans have to save Democrats from the awful
choices that they're trying to make. If you want to
put a communist in charge of New York City, deal
with it, New York deal with it. Why should all
of us have to cobble together votes from Andrew Cuomo,
who's awful, or Eric Adams, who's mediocre, or Curtis Sliwa,
(24:42):
who's otherwise not going to be able to win because
the idiots of New York City are otherwise going to
endorse a guy who was sharing videos and tweets saying
defund the police. I saw a new clip that he
shared where it's like somebody, a police officer, was crying
in a car and he's celebrating it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I just I find this guy to be.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Utterly false in a way that is even staggering for politicians.
And I'm my concern, Buck, is you heard that answer
right there. My concern is he's just gonna try to
glide because he is glib and he is good at talking.
He's just going to glide away from all the crazy
(25:27):
opinions he had and say, well, that's not what I
really meant. That's not really her way that I wanted applied.
Here's a perfect example. This has cut sixteen.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He has asked straight up if he wished that he
hadn't said he wanted to defund the police play sixteen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Do I wish you hadn't said some of those things
a few years back?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
My statements in twenty twenty were ones made amidst a
frustration that many New Yorkers held at the murder of
George Floyd and the inability to deliver on what Eric
adoms of all people described as the right for all
(26:13):
of us to be able to enjoy safety and justice.
That we need not choose between the two.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's just a non answer. Which is what this which
is what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And you're right about Joe Biden wasn't crazy enough to
go fully down the defund the police BLM train, because
I think at that point in time he had enough
sanity to recognize that that was a poor decision. And
we've said on this program, probably the only thing Joe
Biden got right in his whole career was the nineteen
ninety four Crime Bill, which helped to put violent criminals
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behind bars, kept them off the streets, and has led
to at that point a decline in the overall rate
of violence. Mamdanie is just he's an inauthentic yet articulate politician,
and that means that he is going to be able
to avoid consequences for anything that that he has said.
(27:07):
I think, and I think unfortunately he's going to be
elected the next mayor of New York City. The latest,
the latest polling on this, the latest polling does not
look good for anyone who's hoping Mom Donnie does not
win because however you split it. Even if Cuomo drops,
he wins, If Adams drops, he wins, If a combination drops,
he's it's not looking good. Uh, and it's it's I
(27:30):
think disproportionately the well, I know it is disproportionately the
under forty vote in New York that he is counting on.
And there are people who live in New York City,
and I understand this one of the great frustrations. And
this is true in a lot of cities in America
right now. It's certainly true in San Francisco, it's true
in La I'm sure people complain even about the price
(27:51):
of housing in downtown Nashville now right. I mean, you know,
people say it's expensive or it's got a lot more
expensive not compared to New York. But prices can run
in these areas pretty rapidly. But in New York the
housing supply is artificially constrained in a number of ways
by the regulations, by the super tenant friendly and landlord
(28:14):
hostile laws that are in place, the massive welfare programs
for housing that you know, I think it's a ny
h AA or whatever is in the New York City
Housing Authority.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
There's a lot, and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
There's rent control, there's all these things that the government
has done. Oh, and there's all the illegals. I mean,
you go through this whole list. There's all these things
that are government decisions that have made housing substantially more
expensive than it would otherwise be in New York. And
here comes a guy whose entire ideology is in line
with all of those decisions, who's saying, oh, but I'm
(28:51):
going to make things cheaper for you, and it's not
going to work. The people who are sitting around saying, oh,
but I'll be able to afford to live here if
Mom Donnie is the mayor are guaranteed to be very disappointed,
but they're still gonna vote for him. And you know,
this is like real communism has never been tried, you know,
real mom donniism. You're gonna see, they're gonna they're gonna
(29:14):
come up with some reason why someone else stopped and whatever.
The things that he is saying he's going to do
are guaranteed to fail. Bringing social workers instead, not even
in addition to police, instead of police to mostly disturbed calls.
Imagine if that cop in Virginia, Clay who responded it
was a wellness check on somebody who was having a
mental breakdown.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Imagine it was the cop as a social worker.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That social worker by the former Georgetown player would have
been stabbed to death with a butcher knife in that
hallway in that building we all saw on the body camp.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So what the heck is going on here?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's not even you can every he's wrong on everything,
but the one that I look at, and I really
it's not even blm because that was such a defund
the police. Any moron that you knew on social media
in twenty twenty, oftentimes highly educated, was making that argument
in twenty twenty. That one doesn't even surprise me as much.
(30:10):
The fact that he's arguing that we should have city
owned grocery stores is so dumb, Like that by itself
is so profoundly dumb. And he's making that argument right now.
He's not even trying to backtrack on that. He's saying, oh,
grocery stores are making too much money. The profit margin
on a grocery store is two percent at best. It
(30:33):
is one of the most difficult businesses to do well
in all of American commerce. And if you just look
at all these socialist countries that decide, Hey, we're going
to have government funded grocery store. You can't go buy anything.
People stand in line for hours, there's never any food there,
you can't price control. And suddenly he thinks in New
(30:54):
York City, where it's hard to bring things into anyway, right,
the expensive for trucks and frigeration and everything else that's required,
and he's arguing, Hey, I'm going to save people money
on groceries by taking it over and doing city funding
grocery stores. Is so transparently unable to understand basic economics
(31:17):
that that by itself is disqualifying to me.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, this is what I mean is it's not like
there's a trade off here. And this is I think
also exactly what you're getting at. It's not that there's
a trade off here of Oh, well, people want the
following things from Mamdani, and even if he's bad on
some things that you and I and others care about,
he will deliver on things that they want. He's going
to fail on the things that they think they're getting
(31:41):
as well. Yes, it's just going to be a disaster
across the board.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And he doesn't even have he's articulate what has he
ever done that is any level of success. One rule
that I wish was in place is in order to
be running for politics, you have to have been profoundly
successful in some other aspect of your life. Right, Hey,
I had success here and now I'm going to try politics.
(32:09):
What has mom Donnie ever done that he's been successful at.
I mean, look, he's very artic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
He wasn't even successful at faking being black so he
could get into Columbia University, which is that's right, quite
a feat.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I mean, he's good at communication, I guess, but he's
never been successful to my knowledge in the communication fields anyway.
I just I think New York City is going to
make this choice. I think he's going to be elected mayor,
and maybe he's just going to completely change all of
his opinions. There's that possibility, But if he actually tries
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We are joined now by doctor Oz, who does a
fabulous job inside of the Trump administration, working on so
many different issues out there. He is the administrator of
the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and working to
make health technology great again. There's a lot going on
(34:33):
when it comes to the cost of healthcare, for sure,
doctor Oz, you've been dealing with it for your entire life.
Are you optimistic about changes that you guys are going
to be able to implement inside of the Trump administration?
Part one and Part two? What should we expect to see?
Thanks for coming on with us.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
God bless you. I am optimistic. I'll as a doctor
often has to. There's some news I should get out
of the way first, and then We've moved to the growth.
But we are spending twice as much per capita as
any other country in the planet on our people left
expectancy despite that investment is now five years shorter than Europe.
We're sicker. It's one of the reasons that we don't
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live as long and that we do have to pay
more because of our chronic illness. This is why the
MAHA movement has gained such traction, because moms know that
it's gotten really hard to be healthy in America. But
the good news is that ninety percent of all the expenses,
ninety percent of all the problems that I think we're
facing both is paying for health care, but also being
healthy is around chronic disease, which we have some control over,
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and mental illness. They work together, and I could say
the number one driver of all this is probably loneliness
because if you're by yourself, there's no one to crutch on.
We are social creatures, you know. A good part of
our brain powers reading the face and listening to the
voice of people around us, and people right now making
sense to play what you're saying just because they can
hear subtle little intonations in your tone. That all becomes
(36:00):
hugely valuable. And when you lose that, you tend to
become adamized, separate from everybody else. So part of the
challenge in the Trump administration, and President's very very clear
on this is break the silos down, break down the barriers,
and then use the power to convene. And by that
he means, you know, allow people to know that you're serious,
that you have a stick you'll use if you have to,
but you'd rather use carrots to get them to work
(36:22):
together on their own voluntarily. And that's what happened yesterday
at the White House. President hosted a wonderful event. It
was a sixtieth anniversary by the way of the Forum
Foundation of Medicare and Medicaid, the agencies that I run,
and the President had sixty of the biggest technology companies,
the healthcare companies in America pledge promise they were going
(36:43):
to do business differently. They're going to give the American
people their medical records back. You own them, they're yours,
You paid for them, You got the care that you needed,
and there's information about that you should have access to.
And so we are getting all these companies together, and
together are going to make possible. We'll use it on
your phone, the ability to get information and advice about
(37:04):
your well being, to get your doctor bill to message
you directly that may in fact make doctor's appointments, which
is hard for a lot of Americans, and get the
whole process to move forward in the twenty first century.
Like so many other sectors of the American economy have
with great productivity and success.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Doctor Oz. One of the things you're hearing a lot
out there, or we're hearing a lot out there. I'm
sure you do too from people who are critical of
Trump well on everything, but particularly of the Big Beautiful
Bill has to do with throwing millions of people off
of Medicaid. We are told, right this is the talking
point from the Democrats. Can you just break down what
(37:42):
did the Big Beautiful Bill do with respect to Medicaid
and health care funding so that everyone can hear it
from somebody who's living with these spreadsheets right in front
of him.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
The one, big beautiful Bill saved Medicaid, this beautiful program
that was described by Hubant Humphrey as fulfilling our moral
and government obligation to take care of those at the
dawn of life, the children, those at the toilet of life,
the seniors, and those living in the shadows. Think about
that metaphor that's who was designed for. Back then, it
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never crossed anybody's mind that you would let an able
bodied person live forever on Medicaid without having to at
least tried to participate in the community, and every Democratic President.
Every Republican president has said the foundation of a social
state net is work. You're not supposed to just give
people money and insurance. You're supposed to say, here, this
is something for you to get you back on your
(38:35):
feet again, so that together we can row the oars
and get society to be productive and get America to thrive.
And that's what this bill did. It creates a work requirement.
President Clinton in the nineties with Well for Reform did
this and it worked beautifully. Edyone applause. It is a
huge success story. This time the president, our President Trump
does that. Everyone criticizes the village wrong. This was an
(38:56):
opportunity to give the American people who are trapped in
medicaid and the belief that they matter, that they have
autonomy on their life, they have agency, give them a
chance to get a job, to volunteer, to get educated,
to participate as God gave them the right to do.
We're all put on this plan to do something. And
if you're going to watch six point one hours of
(39:17):
television a day or just hang out, which is what
that's the number. By the way, for people who are
able by on medicaid or aren't working. That's not a life.
That's not what you're here for. And so I think
this will be judged very and wisely as a wonderful
contribution to getting America back on the street again. We've
got twice as many jobs in this country. Is people
(39:37):
willing to do them. Let's help people connect with the workforce.
This makes that easy, doctor Os.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I think one of the things that's incredibly frustrating to
so many people out there who spend so much money
on their healthcare is we pay way more and we
don't get the results that would suggest we should get
based on what we're paying. In other words, when you
look at life expectancy, our numbers are not rate. Why
are we getting gouged and other wealthy countries. I understand
(40:05):
why they don't charge as much in countries where people
are vastly inferior in wealth, But Europe pays, for instance,
way less than we do for many of the same drugs.
Certainly Canada and Mexico. People go across the border to
buy the same drugs for a fraction of the cost.
I think that's one of the things that gets people
the most fired up. I know you saw it when
(40:26):
you ran for Senate. I'm sure you still hear it now.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Well as always, what makes you so successful is your
timely questions. Within the hour, the White House announced a
most Favored Nation prescription price, a letter from the President
going out to all the major companies addressing exactly what
you just described, the gouging of the American people, and
the original executive order that some may remember for a
(40:52):
few months ago asked that this global freeloading stop. So
here's what the President is saying to all the manufacturers,
and it's our job to go out there and now
negotiate these prices. But he's saying, from now on, we
don't want brand prices in American costing three times the
exact same product in the same box, made the same
factory as it costs in Europe. And the metaphor for
me is the NATO deal. So with NATO, there's an
(41:16):
external threat, the President said. Because it's an external threat,
we all have to chip in. But we don't pay
the whole bill in America. You guys got to chip into.
That happened, as you know, with the exception of one country,
all the European countries now are paying their fair share,
he argues. As an internal threat, as well illness. Why
is it that America cuts the bill for one hundred
and thirty billion dollars of research and development in pharmaceutical
(41:37):
product and then on top of that doing all the homework,
we get the drugs out, then we pay most of
the of the money that makes farmer profits. Seventy percent
of farmer profits are made in this country. This is
not the right thing for the American people. Pharmaceutical industry
knows that they know this is coming, and the letter
just went out literally being mailed as we speak. And
(41:57):
our belief is that within several years we can get
most drugs, the vast majority of these drugs to be
most favored nation pricing. It's going to be a huge
asset to the American people, to governors trying to balance
their state budgets, but it's also the right thing to do.
It shows that America will carry its the right mode.
But don't put it on us to cure all the
(42:18):
cancer in the world. Chip in help us out a
little bit, just like with NATA, will do the same
thing with this most favored nation prescription drug pricing.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Doctor Oz, how do you foresee technology? We're in this
age of rapidly advancing capabilities with AI and robotics, and
a whole range of tools that are already doing pretty
marvelous things or showing marvelous possibility. How is technology going
to be leveraged under this Trump administration, which obviously you're
(42:47):
a part of it, on the health side, to improve
Americans health, to find cures to get us healthier.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
The American people have been waiting too long. We've been
waiting for to get the right information in the doctor's office,
days and days when it should have been immediately delivered.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
We've waited for.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
The surprise bills from hospitals, to wait for access to
our medical directords just to see stuff that we paid for.
And we've been waiting for Washington to take action. The
commitments that the President made yesterday with all these companies
pledging puts an end to this waiting. Technology is going
to allow us to message you when you want to
hear it about things going on in your life. It's
going to allow doctors to look at you in the
(43:25):
eyes and talk to you instead of having a chart
the whole time, because they've got a code so they
can bill for the encounter. It's going to make it
much easier for us to fast track things like prior authorization,
where you're trying to see if an insurance company's going
to pay for something you thought you paid for. All
that's going to become automated much faster. But the real
benefit here, and this is a critical point, is we're
(43:47):
going to be able to cut the fraud, waste, and
abuse out of the system that's destroying it, maybe one
hundred billion dollars of administrative costs unnecessarily. You may have
read last month we with a Department of Justice, we
announced the fifty billion dollars down because we're at one
point eight trillion dollar entity. We're double the size of
the defense budget. And in order to get into our walls,
(44:08):
they are security walls. You can use the numbers that
all Medicare beneficiaries have. They're there, they're there, their their
membership number, and so foreign companies and countries. Literally the
fifteen billion was a multinational criminal organization that's believed, I
believe is based in Russia. I mean, these are massive
operations trying to take us down. Technology is going to
(44:29):
allow us to protect ourselves, but at its very core,
the goal is not just to keep people alive. It's
to get them be vital, to get them to flourish.
The value of of an American who's help enough to
work is much much greater than what it costs to
treat them. But we have to actually get at those
wonderful folks who are making mistakes about their lifestyle in
(44:49):
a timely fashion. And technology, especially AI will let us
talk to people in ways that we couldn't have before,
to literally baby sit them through a process that they
may be going through which a doctor just won't do
on their own just they don't have the time. And
it also allows us to get to rural America which
has been left behind, and let that part of the
country thrive. You should not have folks falling behind. Every
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American ought to be cared for with the DIGNITATETD deserve.
It doesn't matter what gift go direct.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Doctor Oz, appreciate you being with us, sir.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
God bless you, my friends. Stay well.
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Speaker 1 (46:36):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Melissa Holyoke, Commissioner of the United States Federal Trade Commission.
A lot going on in uh in that world as
we break down all of the different I would say, uh,
(46:58):
just insanity that seems to be going on a day
to day basis. A lot of different mergers underway, a
lot of different moving parts associated with the tariffs and
everything else.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You're new in the job. How has that been for
you so far?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (47:15):
Well, thank you, thank you for having me on. I'm
super excited to be here. Thanks Clay. The job has
been wonderful, it's been amazing. We had a change in
administration in January, so it's nice to finally have a
positive agenda that we can implement. But like you said,
things are changing every day, lots of big things in
our world. I think what's interesting is we get a
(47:37):
lot of questions about tariffs, and I will get a
lot of questions about tariffs, but we don't even though
the word trade is in our name, we don't necessarily
do anything with tariffs other than see maybe some of
the consequences of that. So we don't negotiate those or
enforce those. So what we're looking at what the Federal
Trade Commission does is protect America consumers United States mostly
(48:01):
from fraud, theres and scammers, and like you said, from
anti competitive behavior. And we look at mergers in the
world and see what's happening with companies, and we want
to protect Americans from monopolists as well.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
What are some of the thank you for being with
this Commissioner's buck, What are some of the primary frauds?
You know, one thing that we have a great sponsor
on the show that deals with identity theft. And one
thing that I've seen is just how sophisticated some of
these efforts are to do that. It's really it used
to be somebody would send you an email saying, you know,
(48:33):
I'll give you a million dollars if you give me
ten thousand, and unfortunately that would work far too often.
But it's a little bit, a little bit on the
obvious side. Now they're getting really good at pretending to
be from a bank or I mean, what are the
kind of scams or the kind of things the FTC
is focused in on policing these days.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
That's such a great question, I mean, because that is
a majority of our work, and what we want to
focus on is just growing and growing lest It was
ten billion dollars a couple of years ago and now
it's grown twenty five percent over twelve billion, and it's
what we want to focus on every day. So, and
what we're seeing, like you said, is we're seeing lots
(49:15):
of sophisticated frauds and the use of different technologies. So
one of those examples is they use voice cloning technology.
So you'll have a grandma in the middle of the
night get a call from what sounds exactly like her
grandson saying I'm in jail, I need money, send this
to me here, and it sounds just like them. And
those are the kinds of really concerning types of fraud
(49:40):
where folks, everyone can would get you from it, not
just it does. It's a lot more sophisticated than some
of the things that we've seen in the past, and
we're trying to go out and educate consumers on some
of these these more sophisticated frauds.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
What are the enforcement mechanisms, like what can you when
you find something that's going on. I mean, you're not
the FBI, right, so what what enforcement mechanisms does the
FTC have access to? And how does that process work
when you find the fraudsters.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Then what.
Speaker 8 (50:11):
Great question. So what we do is a lot of
the times we're looking at trends of frauds. So we
have a really large database that we have that many
many states have access to, and we look at complaints
that are coming in. I think one thing that I
want to if I could get a message out, one
thing is to make sure to report the fraud. We
have a website that says that where you can report
(50:32):
the frauds and we take those complaints and we start
from there and able to in order to do like
you said, investigations we can. We will issue civil investigative demands.
If we think there's a criminal component to it, we
work with our criminal partners. We will go reach out
to the Department of Justice or others state partners, US
(50:53):
attorneys and districts across the country and work with them
if those are those of criminal components are applicable to.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
So basically you can flag something for DOJ, and then
DJ can actually make it a criminal matter if that's
the kind of fraud you're.
Speaker 8 (51:09):
Talking about exactly. But we don't have to stop just
because there might be a criminal component. A lot of
times we can move really fast in terms of freezing
assets and going in and making sure like to stop
the bleeding and basically have those assets available if it's
and when we can get some money back to consumers.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
One of the biggest challenges I would imagine in the
merger space is technology and the fact that this thing
is moving so rapidly, whether it's AI or elsewhere, that
we typically think of monopoly power as something that leads
to higher prices. But in the universe that we're in now,
some of these huge tech companies are arguing that when
(51:48):
they are merging, when they are buying new assets, it's
actually leading to lower prices. How do you balance all
this out? Because the tech universe has definitely maybe upset
the Apple card of what monopolistic power truly looks like.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
I think that's so important that we're actually analyzing what
the harms are. Like you said, we have mergers that
we look at. So many mergers that get filed and
we get notification of them, but in the vast majority
of them, like literally ninety eight percent of cases, there's
no real problems there in terms of the merger, and
in fact, a lot of mergers provide benefits for consumers,
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we're getting out of the way if there are our
mergers out there that can really provide benefits, because the
faster that they can move, the better and quicker that
those benefits can go to consumers. And then in the
smaller amount of cases, yes, we'll take a second look
in those two percent of cases to see what's happening.
But like you said, in these in tech and in
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big tech, these are extremely dynamic markets. Things are changing
all the time, and we want to be analyzing them correctly.
So we're not providing or we're not preventing any benefits
that consumers could couldn't enjoy.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Outstanding stuff. Well, look, we need you back.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I know you got a lot to get on involved
in because we've got what the big rail merger that
they're talking about right now. I'm sure you're going to
be diving into so many of these different cases, so
many of these different decisions.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Just keep us on speed dial.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
We want you on to be able to bring us
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going forward to congratulations on hopefully being able to get
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I think there's just been this real reinvigoration of American manufacturing,
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Us because lots of people plug for that.
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Yeah, lots of people sadly do try and lie about
them Made in the USA. We've done reading and studies
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Nancy Pelosi flustered when she's confronted with insider trading allegations.
Mom Donnie the Democrat nominee on in the New York
(00:25):
City mayor's race, we will break down his sudden change
of heart when it comes to defunding the police. Certainly
interesting timing there. But we begin with our good friend
Kamala Harris. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after we finished the program,
(00:45):
Kamala announced that she will not run for governor in
twenty twenty six. Since then, she has announced that she
has a new book out called one hundred and seven
Days that will be out sometime next month or sorry,
in September for those of you, I guess it's the
last day of July. For those of you want to
(01:06):
make sure that that is on your calendar so that
you do not miss the opportunity to buy that on
the release day. It will be coming out in September.
She also just announced, or it was just reported, that
she will be Stephen Colbert's guest tonight on his late show.
This is the very first interview Kamala will have done
(01:27):
since her epic defeat in the twenty twenty four campaign.
She has to a large extent, stayed out of public
view for the last six months or so in the
wake of that election defeat and the obvious inauguration day
that followed. But I thought that we should first let's
(01:49):
start with this. Let's go on the record, Buck if
you want to, I don't even know what your answer
is going to be on this. Do you believe that
she will run in twenty two, twenty eight or do
you think this is effectively Kamala Harris waiving the proverbial
white flag and letting it be known that she is
no longer going to be involved in serious politics.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know what I've said all along, Clay, I am
a firm believer in Kamala Harris is on her way
to a chancellorship or some other quasi ceremonial overpaid role
at a UC school, university, California school, or something like that.
(02:36):
Maybe she is, you know, a senior something or other,
you know, a chancellor emeritus or something at the Brookings Foundation,
you know, like, but she's out of the political game.
Is my point here, the fact that she's written a
book about the one hundred days. The only way this
book could be worth reading and could be interesting in
(02:56):
the least is if Kamala Harris was going score work yeah,
and just lighting up every Democrat who crossed her, every
idiot who gave her some of the worst advice I've
ever seen. It was clear that she was advised, for example,
not to do media. That was and she started doing
(03:17):
media when the public outcry was, Hey, you're running for president.
It's been a few weeks since you became the nominee. Effectively,
you have to actually talk to people. You can't just
have the machine do all this for you. But now
we get to clay, was it actually better for her
(03:38):
to not do any of the media here is for example,
Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, hold on before before we get the Kamala I
actually disagree. I think she's gonna run. I think she
will run in twenty twenty. Bet stake best steak. Bet
Let me let me yes steak bet on Kamala's future.
Let me lay out why I think she will run
because I understand market down, team market down. I understand
(04:04):
your argument of she can get a multimillion dollar relaxed job.
She isn't actually a very talented politician. It's rare for
Democrats to renominate a candidate who lost.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I can run through all of those different things.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I don't think she has anything else in her life.
This is me getting into the psychoanalysis of Kamala Harris one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
She's sixty.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
That is relatively young as these things go in the
political process. Hillary, somebody can look up the exact age
Hillary was. But actually, I think Hillary had a I
can't believe. I'm gonna say Hillary has a life outside
of politics in some way. She's got a daughter, she's
got grandkids, She's got a husband that at least she
(04:51):
has been with for a long time and has some
sort of relationship with. I don't think Kamala actually likes
Doug him Hoff. I think he's a loser. I think
deep down she knows that he's a loser, not a
particularly likable or charismatic guy.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Her.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
She doesn't have any kids, she doesn't have any pre
existing life. She's I can't believe that. I'm not trying
to just utterly destroy her, but I think she's an
empty soul. And politics feels the void in her life
that otherwise doesn't exist. There are other people out there
(05:29):
that and you all know.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I would argue with you that Hillary Clinton actually has
an even bigger hole in her soul and doesn't care
that she has a husband who she obviously does not
have any real uh you know.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Maybe, but she has a daughter, she has grandkids like Hillary.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I think either.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I think Hillary has a life that is more filling
in its way than Kamala does. I mean, I can
understand the argument, and but I just look at this
and I say, hey, she was.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Utterly humiliated in this election, utterly coo. She lost. Yes,
she lost every swing state.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
She looked like at the same she's a disaster. But
she can at least say it wasn't why didn't she hear?
With this book, it's trying to reframe the narrative of
the disaster. Now, I know you're saying, well, maybe that's
to reframe it so she can run again in a
few years, Clay, the Democrats are going to want to
move on everything Biden related entirely, and at least Kamala
(06:30):
Harris can go out now on the speaking tour and
take that Chancellor's job at you know, you see San
Diego or whatever, making a million dollars a year to
go to cocktail parties and sound like an imbecile. If
she runs again, she has to put herself out there
for other Democrats to further destroy her brand. Now she's
(06:50):
a former vice president who was pushed into the slot.
That's obviously part. I haven't read the book, but I
could tell you what the book's about.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It was I did my.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Best under difficult circumstances, and like, you know, please don't
hate me. That's her book, it's not I'm amazing. I'm
the leader of the Democrat Party going forward. And Gavin Newsom,
by the way, he is going to work all the donors.
He's gonna work the entire system in California. So there's
not even a.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Hint of a lane for Kamala to run. We got
a stake on this one. I get the argument. Your
argument is not a bad one.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I just think she has to do this because I
don't think she has anything else in her life, and
I think there are a lot of people that advise
her that also are incentivized to build her back up
and convince her that she needs to run.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Here's the other.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I think politics was the easiest way for her to
get a job that paid her and gave her prominence
and access. And if that now is offered to her
outside of politics, she would far. She's never had to
run a real campaign, obviously, look at the campaign she ran.
She is the dee, the pinnacle of Dei and it
(07:55):
all collapsed.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But look at the like I can't believe that I'm
now going to be made making the commed showtrageous. It
is that I'm now if I'm Kamala's chief commissar, her
chief of staff, whoever her conflict consigliari is, they don't
pounce the g consolieri consiliary, whoever the person is that
(08:18):
can put her in a position that then elevates his
or her position. Look at the rest of the Democrat
field of minority candidates, and we know black voters are
a huge part of the overall electorate. Look, Stacy Abrams
is dead in the water, Karen Bass is dead in
(08:39):
the water. There is no black female candidate unless Oprah
runs or somebody like that that can go into the
Kamala arena right to get the nomination. This is the
way I'm sketching it out in her mind. Wes Moore
is unchallenged. Corey Booker is is just lighting himself on fire.
She is the number one my norready candidate in a
(09:02):
field buck that may start in South Carolina because remember
there's now a battle over what is the overall flow
chart of the Democrat Party. If James Clyburn says as
he did when Kamala got elevated, it's Kamala, She'll be
the nominee. There's going to be a bunch of white guys.
Gavin Newsom, I hope you're right. I hope you're right,
(09:24):
But you're you're saying, you're saying why she's going to
be the nominee or why she's going to run. Well,
I think guy's going to be the nominee. We gotta
go more than a stake. I need like a trip
to Saint Barbe. That's that's where. That's where they're going
to pitch her. So I'm just sketching out why she's
going to run because they're going to say, you're the
only black candidate that can get black support. If James
(09:46):
Clyburn is still live in South Carolina and he says
you're the pick, much like Joe Biden became the nominee.
Look Mayor, Pete, Gavin Newsom, Josh Shapiro, They're all kind
of running for the same lane.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Who is the just put it to.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
The lost everywhere she could possibly lose as badly as
she could lose. It would be almost unthinkable for a
Democrat to underperform Kamala's numbers in this last election. You're
going to get me. I hope what you're saying is true.
I just think the Democrats aren't that insane, Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I mean, here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
They're going to pitch to her, who is the minority
candidate that is going to get the black vote instead
of her?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I don't think Democrats think that. I don't think Democrats
are necessarily going to run a minority. Joe Biden, by
the way, had phenomenal support among the black community of
Democrat voters.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I don't think you need to run a mind. I
think you're artificially limiting the field.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
But Joe Biden didn't have to overcome a minority candidate
because Kamala was so bad she had already dropped out.
It was Joe Biden when by the time Cliburn.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Made sure there was Corey Booker, there was Kamala Harris,
there was that guy from those guys as the congressman
who's Latin Latin America.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Those guys were gone by the time Cliburn had to
make the decision. Remember, if they start in South Carolina,
and I don't know that they are. If they start
in South Carolina, then the black vote is going to matter.
The black vote doesn't matter in Iowa and New Hampshire
because it doesn't exist, which is why Democrats have said, hey,
we should start with South Carolina. You start with South
Carolina again, that will be a signe of whether Kamala
(11:18):
is gonna run. I think she's gonna run.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
So do you disagree with.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
This statement if they run Kamala in well, see, no,
we're conflating a little bit here because you're saying she's
going to run. Maybe she runs, but if she does,
she's doing it for the book sales and the attention.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I would I would we agree?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Chance?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Zero zero chance.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I don't even agree with that because if they start
with South Carolina, I think it will be a minority voter,
a minority candidate that gets the South Carolina primary win.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now maybe it's West running for governor of California. Why
wouldn't she do it? No, why isn't she doing it?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Because I think she doesn't think that it gains her
any standing. If she runs in twenty twenty eight, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Clai, twenty twenty eight is a long time away. People
are going to forget who Kamala Harris is. What might
be might be good for her, That's what I'm saying.
It might be good, though, but I think her name
recognition is going to fade along with it. I think
she's in a far better position running for president if
she was the governor of California. I just I actually
think if she's governor, she exposes herself because she does
(12:23):
far more public events. She's an empty suit. She's an
awful candidate. But I think you have to get into
her peanut brain and think as she lays this all out,
I think she is going to run.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Let's put in a pole question. I'm curious, like what
people think. By the way, you could weigh in and
we got a long time to think of. But remember people.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Are a various fellow. I think he's wrong top to
bottom on this one. I think he's wrong.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
People are going to announce by January of twenty seven,
So it sounds like it's a long time away until
November of twenty eight. But people, the Democrats are going
to officially be chopping at the bit and announcing in
January February.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You may be right, I may be right, but we
have deprived the audience of the greatest hits of Kamala
because of how we will play those. We would hit those, Yes,
we have to hit those, okay, because that I think
will also shed some light on the discussion. Wow, Kamala Harris. Wow,
you know we talk about the The best case maybe
for a Kamala resurgence would be the career of Joe Biden,
(13:25):
who ran three times. Was a total loser, but that
was contingent upon a once in a century pandemic and
a mass delusion that allowed a dementia patient to hide
in a basement and have people cheering for him to
be hiding in that basement. You would need clay, something
completely world changing for Kama. They would have to be
(13:47):
like the COVID pandemic. For Kamala. Harris even be the nominee.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
But remember Biden was the nominee before COVID hit. He
won in South Carolina because Clyburn said vote for and
then Super Tuesday happened, all before COVID became an issue,
and then they hit him right if he had.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Had to be I mean how he became president.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
But yeah, but even yeah, but even the nominee, they
basically just said it's Biden and to knock out Bernie Well,
that was name recognition, tied to him being eight years
of Obama's wingman. That's that was the whole decision, and
it was the system just deciding that the guy who
was with the guy who won twice can win again.
And it was a very unique moment in time for
(14:30):
Joe Biden because obviously he wasn't even leading and they
picked him.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But that's because they thought he could win and they
managed to do it. I know, they cheated whatever. But
Kamala Harris Clay Clay, all right.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
We'll get into this.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He's gonna say, I deserve to be the full nominee.
I deserve a black woman. They just threw me in
to try to take.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
The your your buddy Cuomo, who you said was gonna
be mayor and then president. He's about to get his
ass kicked by Mom, Donnie. I know he was gonna run.
I said he was gonna run for president. And that's
a mess. I did not see Mom Donnie.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Come, I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I don't think if he gets his ass kicked by
Mom Donnie, he's gonna run for president after that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I think that's But if you were able to win
as an independent, I think you would.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
The thing is, some of these people are insane enough
that I can't entirely even if I.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Have anything else.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
This is where your argument of what do you actually
lose by running for president is actually a good one,
Like most people, I guess. I mean, if you're telling
me that is Kama gonna run in a few years
and she's gonna end up with like five percent or
ten percent of the vote or something, I'm like maybe.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
But all right, all right, let's hear from all of
you on this. We got a lot to talk about. You
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Speaker 3 (17:23):
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Buck, It does, but it's actually a big summit going
on in Brazil. The formal name is BRICKS, which stands
for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. But they've
just added five new members.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Well that's an understatement.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Bricks is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase
their sway in the global financial order.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Can he give us some inside intel?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Absolutely, He's been there since day one. In fact, a
major theme at the summit is how bricks nations aim
to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.
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These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.
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to ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. Some new data
has come out on the New York City mayor's race.
And if anyone's wondering, why should you care you live
in the Midwest, or the South, or the West Coast,
or the sun Belt or the Ohio River Valley or wherever, well,
(19:24):
because this is going to be I think a test
case for the Democrat Party nationwide. Can they win in
the biggest city in America with really the furthest left
wing candidate that we've seen at this level at least
of a mayor's race in New York for a very
long time. This guy is more radical than to Blasio,
(19:46):
certainly more a left wing than Mayor Eric Adams.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And this is.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
A moment in time where the Democrats are going to
have to start to choose. Remember it was sly of
Biden during the whole Blm anti cop mess in twenty twenty.
Biden never said defund police. I do think he knew enough.
He'd been in the game long enough to know that
was going to be a big problem for him in
(20:13):
the general election if he did it, which he didn't do.
So whenever people talk about the Democrats defund police, that
that became a oh, it's AOC and it's it's the
squad and it was not associated with Biden specifically, even
though Kamala Harris, I know, you know, wanted to.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Did she put out a tweet.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
About the raising money for people in Minneapolis or something
or the bail fund?
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Right, I mean, it's still Kamala.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, Kamala was more defund police by for sure than
Joe Biden was. But Mamdannie has had to show up
and speak in the aftermath of an NYPD officer gave
his life in the line of duty trying to defend
innocent people in that building, that office building on Park
(20:59):
Avan during that mass shooting a few days ago, and
he's being asked, He's like, hold on, you are a
disband police guy.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
You want to be the mayor.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Now you're showing up after a cop died in a
line of duty trying to stop a deranged gunman where
do you really stand on disbanding, for example, an elite
NYPD unit that would respond to shootings just like this.
This is what Mom Donnie said, Play fifteen.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Over the course of this race, I've been very clear
about my view of public safety and the critical rule
that police have in creating that public safety that officers
are tasked with delivering while we ask them to respond
to nearly every failure of the social safety net, and
the vision that we've put forward in this campaign, despite
(21:49):
what others may say, is not to defund the police.
It is, in fact, to allow those officers to respond
to these serious crimes that many of them signed up
to address, and to do so by ensuring that we
ask them to focus on those crimes, and we ask
mental health professionals to respond to calls of mental health crisis.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Great mental health professionals. How many mental health professionals are
they going to have on speed dial to deal with
with the NYPD terms an EDP, emotionally disturbed person, a lunatic,
like if we're running around the streets at three am naked,
barking like a dog and this stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
That stuff happens in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay, this is reality for the cops there, they say, oh,
we got an e VP we gotta do. They will
eventually take you to a mental health facility. But even
this idea that you're going to have mental health people respond,
what does that even mean? All they're going to try
to do is get somebody to that facility. And by
(22:48):
the way, if they don't have cops there, they may
be attacked, bludgeons stabbed.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Does anyone want like.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A psychiatrist with the uh, you know, the tweed jacket
with the elbow to show up when some maniac is
waving a machete saying he wants to kill everybody?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
What world does Mom Dani and the people who support him?
What world do they live in?
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Not?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The real one is the answer and the scary thing.
And then look, this is the argument I made a
couple of weeks ago on the show. I think at
some point democrats have to have to deal with the
choices that they are going to make. It's almost like
being a parent, and a lot of you out there
know what I'm talking about. If your kid keeps making
(23:32):
the wrong decisions and you do your best to steer
them away from it, you steer them away from it,
You steer them away from it. Sooner or later, experience
becomes the best teacher. Where you do something that is
moronic and your parents or your grandparents told you not
to do it, you do it, and then you're like, boy,
that was really dumb. And part of parenting is trying
(23:54):
to keep kids from doing things that are so stupid
that they ruin their future lifer unfortunately, even lose it.
And I feel like for Democrats they have to wear it.
They picked mom DOMI and I get it. People out
there of wr many of you are listening in the
Manhattan area and you're looking around. You're saying, Clay, you're
(24:17):
just gonna throw us to the wolves. This guy's a moron.
Why should Republicans have to save Democrats from the awful
choices that they're trying to make. If you want to
put a communist in charge of New York City, deal
with it, New York deal with it. Why should all
of us have to cobble together votes from Andrew Cuomo,
who's awful, or Eric Adams, who's mediocre, or Curtis Sliwa,
(24:42):
who's otherwise not going to be able to win because
the idiots of New York City are otherwise going to
endorse a guy who was sharing videos and tweets saying
defund the police. I saw a new clip that he
shared where it's like somebody, a police officer, was crying
in a car and he's celebrating it.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
I just I find this guy to be.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Utterly false in a way that is even staggering for politicians.
And I'm my concern, Buck, is you heard that answer
right there. My concern is he's just gonna try to
glide because he is glib and he is good at talking.
He's just going to glide away from all the crazy
(25:27):
opinions he had and say, well, that's not what I
really meant. That's not really her way that I wanted applied.
Here's a perfect example. This has cut sixteen.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He has asked straight up if he wished that he
hadn't said he wanted to defund the police play sixteen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Do I wish you hadn't said some of those things
a few years back?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
My statements in twenty twenty were ones made amidst a
frustration that many New Yorkers held at the murder of
George Floyd and the inability to deliver on what Eric
adoms of all people described as the right for all
(26:13):
of us to be able to enjoy safety and justice.
That we need not choose between the two.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's just a non answer. Which is what this which
is what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And you're right about Joe Biden wasn't crazy enough to
go fully down the defund the police BLM train, because
I think at that point in time he had enough
sanity to recognize that that was a poor decision. And
we've said on this program, probably the only thing Joe
Biden got right in his whole career was the nineteen
ninety four Crime Bill, which helped to put violent criminals
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behind bars, kept them off the streets, and has led
to at that point a decline in the overall rate
of violence. Mamdanie is just he's an inauthentic yet articulate politician,
and that means that he is going to be able
to avoid consequences for anything that that he has said.
(27:07):
I think, and I think unfortunately he's going to be
elected the next mayor of New York City. The latest,
the latest polling on this, the latest polling does not
look good for anyone who's hoping Mom Donnie does not
win because however you split it. Even if Cuomo drops,
he wins, If Adams drops, he wins, If a combination drops,
he's it's not looking good. Uh, and it's it's I
(27:30):
think disproportionately the well, I know it is disproportionately the
under forty vote in New York that he is counting on.
And there are people who live in New York City,
and I understand this one of the great frustrations. And
this is true in a lot of cities in America
right now. It's certainly true in San Francisco, it's true
in La I'm sure people complain even about the price
(27:51):
of housing in downtown Nashville now right. I mean, you know,
people say it's expensive or it's got a lot more
expensive not compared to New York. But prices can run
in these areas pretty rapidly. But in New York the
housing supply is artificially constrained in a number of ways
by the regulations, by the super tenant friendly and landlord
(28:14):
hostile laws that are in place, the massive welfare programs
for housing that you know, I think it's a ny
h AA or whatever is in the New York City
Housing Authority.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
There's a lot, and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
There's rent control, there's all these things that the government
has done. Oh, and there's all the illegals. I mean,
you go through this whole list. There's all these things
that are government decisions that have made housing substantially more
expensive than it would otherwise be in New York. And
here comes a guy whose entire ideology is in line
with all of those decisions, who's saying, oh, but I'm
(28:51):
going to make things cheaper for you, and it's not
going to work. The people who are sitting around saying, oh,
but I'll be able to afford to live here if
Mom Donnie is the mayor are guaranteed to be very disappointed,
but they're still gonna vote for him. And you know,
this is like real communism has never been tried, you know,
real mom donniism. You're gonna see, they're gonna they're gonna
(29:14):
come up with some reason why someone else stopped and whatever.
The things that he is saying he's going to do
are guaranteed to fail. Bringing social workers instead, not even
in addition to police, instead of police to mostly disturbed calls.
Imagine if that cop in Virginia, Clay who responded it
was a wellness check on somebody who was having a
mental breakdown.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Imagine it was the cop as a social worker.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That social worker by the former Georgetown player would have
been stabbed to death with a butcher knife in that
hallway in that building we all saw on the body camp.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So what the heck is going on here?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's not even you can every he's wrong on everything,
but the one that I look at, and I really
it's not even blm because that was such a defund
the police. Any moron that you knew on social media
in twenty twenty, oftentimes highly educated, was making that argument
in twenty twenty. That one doesn't even surprise me as much.
(30:10):
The fact that he's arguing that we should have city
owned grocery stores is so dumb, Like that by itself
is so profoundly dumb. And he's making that argument right now.
He's not even trying to backtrack on that. He's saying, oh,
grocery stores are making too much money. The profit margin
on a grocery store is two percent at best. It
(30:33):
is one of the most difficult businesses to do well
in all of American commerce. And if you just look
at all these socialist countries that decide, Hey, we're going
to have government funded grocery store. You can't go buy anything.
People stand in line for hours, there's never any food there,
you can't price control. And suddenly he thinks in New
(30:54):
York City, where it's hard to bring things into anyway, right,
the expensive for trucks and frigeration and everything else that's required,
and he's arguing, Hey, I'm going to save people money
on groceries by taking it over and doing city funding
grocery stores. Is so transparently unable to understand basic economics
(31:17):
that that by itself is disqualifying to me.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, this is what I mean is it's not like
there's a trade off here. And this is I think
also exactly what you're getting at. It's not that there's
a trade off here of Oh, well, people want the
following things from Mamdani, and even if he's bad on
some things that you and I and others care about,
he will deliver on things that they want. He's going
to fail on the things that they think they're getting
(31:41):
as well. Yes, it's just going to be a disaster
across the board.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And he doesn't even have he's articulate what has he
ever done that is any level of success. One rule
that I wish was in place is in order to
be running for politics, you have to have been profoundly
successful in some other aspect of your life. Right, Hey,
I had success here and now I'm going to try politics.
(32:09):
What has mom Donnie ever done that he's been successful at.
I mean, look, he's very artic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
He wasn't even successful at faking being black so he
could get into Columbia University, which is that's right, quite
a feat.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I mean, he's good at communication, I guess, but he's
never been successful to my knowledge in the communication fields anyway.
I just I think New York City is going to
make this choice. I think he's going to be elected mayor,
and maybe he's just going to completely change all of
his opinions. There's that possibility, But if he actually tries
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
We are joined now by doctor Oz, who does a
fabulous job inside of the Trump administration, working on so
many different issues out there. He is the administrator of
the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and working to
make health technology great again. There's a lot going on
(34:33):
when it comes to the cost of healthcare, for sure,
doctor Oz, you've been dealing with it for your entire life.
Are you optimistic about changes that you guys are going
to be able to implement inside of the Trump administration?
Part one and Part two? What should we expect to see?
Thanks for coming on with us.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
God bless you. I am optimistic. I'll as a doctor
often has to. There's some news I should get out
of the way first, and then We've moved to the growth.
But we are spending twice as much per capita as
any other country in the planet on our people left
expectancy despite that investment is now five years shorter than Europe.
We're sicker. It's one of the reasons that we don't
(35:15):
live as long and that we do have to pay
more because of our chronic illness. This is why the
MAHA movement has gained such traction, because moms know that
it's gotten really hard to be healthy in America. But
the good news is that ninety percent of all the expenses,
ninety percent of all the problems that I think we're
facing both is paying for health care, but also being
healthy is around chronic disease, which we have some control over,
(35:39):
and mental illness. They work together, and I could say
the number one driver of all this is probably loneliness
because if you're by yourself, there's no one to crutch on.
We are social creatures, you know. A good part of
our brain powers reading the face and listening to the
voice of people around us, and people right now making
sense to play what you're saying just because they can
hear subtle little intonations in your tone. That all becomes
(36:00):
hugely valuable. And when you lose that, you tend to
become adamized, separate from everybody else. So part of the
challenge in the Trump administration, and President's very very clear
on this is break the silos down, break down the barriers,
and then use the power to convene. And by that
he means, you know, allow people to know that you're serious,
that you have a stick you'll use if you have to,
but you'd rather use carrots to get them to work
(36:22):
together on their own voluntarily. And that's what happened yesterday
at the White House. President hosted a wonderful event. It
was a sixtieth anniversary by the way of the Forum
Foundation of Medicare and Medicaid, the agencies that I run,
and the President had sixty of the biggest technology companies,
the healthcare companies in America pledge promise they were going
(36:43):
to do business differently. They're going to give the American
people their medical records back. You own them, they're yours,
You paid for them, You got the care that you needed,
and there's information about that you should have access to.
And so we are getting all these companies together, and
together are going to make possible. We'll use it on
your phone, the ability to get information and advice about
(37:04):
your well being, to get your doctor bill to message
you directly that may in fact make doctor's appointments, which
is hard for a lot of Americans, and get the
whole process to move forward in the twenty first century.
Like so many other sectors of the American economy have
with great productivity and success.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Doctor Oz. One of the things you're hearing a lot
out there, or we're hearing a lot out there. I'm
sure you do too from people who are critical of
Trump well on everything, but particularly of the Big Beautiful
Bill has to do with throwing millions of people off
of Medicaid. We are told, right this is the talking
point from the Democrats. Can you just break down what
(37:42):
did the Big Beautiful Bill do with respect to Medicaid
and health care funding so that everyone can hear it
from somebody who's living with these spreadsheets right in front
of him.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
The one, big beautiful Bill saved Medicaid, this beautiful program
that was described by Hubant Humphrey as fulfilling our moral
and government obligation to take care of those at the
dawn of life, the children, those at the toilet of life,
the seniors, and those living in the shadows. Think about
that metaphor that's who was designed for. Back then, it
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never crossed anybody's mind that you would let an able
bodied person live forever on Medicaid without having to at
least tried to participate in the community, and every Democratic President.
Every Republican president has said the foundation of a social
state net is work. You're not supposed to just give
people money and insurance. You're supposed to say, here, this
is something for you to get you back on your
(38:35):
feet again, so that together we can row the oars
and get society to be productive and get America to thrive.
And that's what this bill did. It creates a work requirement.
President Clinton in the nineties with Well for Reform did
this and it worked beautifully. Edyone applause. It is a
huge success story. This time the president, our President Trump
does that. Everyone criticizes the village wrong. This was an
(38:56):
opportunity to give the American people who are trapped in
medicaid and the belief that they matter, that they have
autonomy on their life, they have agency, give them a
chance to get a job, to volunteer, to get educated,
to participate as God gave them the right to do.
We're all put on this plan to do something. And
if you're going to watch six point one hours of
(39:17):
television a day or just hang out, which is what
that's the number. By the way, for people who are
able by on medicaid or aren't working. That's not a life.
That's not what you're here for. And so I think
this will be judged very and wisely as a wonderful
contribution to getting America back on the street again. We've
got twice as many jobs in this country. Is people
(39:37):
willing to do them. Let's help people connect with the workforce.
This makes that easy, doctor Os.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I think one of the things that's incredibly frustrating to
so many people out there who spend so much money
on their healthcare is we pay way more and we
don't get the results that would suggest we should get
based on what we're paying. In other words, when you
look at life expectancy, our numbers are not rate. Why
are we getting gouged and other wealthy countries. I understand
(40:05):
why they don't charge as much in countries where people
are vastly inferior in wealth, But Europe pays, for instance,
way less than we do for many of the same drugs.
Certainly Canada and Mexico. People go across the border to
buy the same drugs for a fraction of the cost.
I think that's one of the things that gets people
the most fired up. I know you saw it when
(40:26):
you ran for Senate. I'm sure you still hear it now.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Well as always, what makes you so successful is your
timely questions. Within the hour, the White House announced a
most Favored Nation prescription price, a letter from the President
going out to all the major companies addressing exactly what
you just described, the gouging of the American people, and
the original executive order that some may remember for a
(40:52):
few months ago asked that this global freeloading stop. So
here's what the President is saying to all the manufacturers,
and it's our job to go out there and now
negotiate these prices. But he's saying, from now on, we
don't want brand prices in American costing three times the
exact same product in the same box, made the same
factory as it costs in Europe. And the metaphor for
me is the NATO deal. So with NATO, there's an
(41:16):
external threat, the President said. Because it's an external threat,
we all have to chip in. But we don't pay
the whole bill in America. You guys got to chip into.
That happened, as you know, with the exception of one country,
all the European countries now are paying their fair share,
he argues. As an internal threat, as well illness. Why
is it that America cuts the bill for one hundred
and thirty billion dollars of research and development in pharmaceutical
(41:37):
product and then on top of that doing all the homework,
we get the drugs out, then we pay most of
the of the money that makes farmer profits. Seventy percent
of farmer profits are made in this country. This is
not the right thing for the American people. Pharmaceutical industry
knows that they know this is coming, and the letter
just went out literally being mailed as we speak. And
(41:57):
our belief is that within several years we can get
most drugs, the vast majority of these drugs to be
most favored nation pricing. It's going to be a huge
asset to the American people, to governors trying to balance
their state budgets, but it's also the right thing to do.
It shows that America will carry its the right mode.
But don't put it on us to cure all the
(42:18):
cancer in the world. Chip in help us out a
little bit, just like with NATA, will do the same
thing with this most favored nation prescription drug pricing.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Doctor Oz, how do you foresee technology? We're in this
age of rapidly advancing capabilities with AI and robotics, and
a whole range of tools that are already doing pretty
marvelous things or showing marvelous possibility. How is technology going
to be leveraged under this Trump administration, which obviously you're
(42:47):
a part of it, on the health side, to improve
Americans health, to find cures to get us healthier.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
The American people have been waiting too long. We've been
waiting for to get the right information in the doctor's office,
days and days when it should have been immediately delivered.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
We've waited for.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
The surprise bills from hospitals, to wait for access to
our medical directords just to see stuff that we paid for.
And we've been waiting for Washington to take action. The
commitments that the President made yesterday with all these companies
pledging puts an end to this waiting. Technology is going
to allow us to message you when you want to
hear it about things going on in your life. It's
going to allow doctors to look at you in the
(43:25):
eyes and talk to you instead of having a chart
the whole time, because they've got a code so they
can bill for the encounter. It's going to make it
much easier for us to fast track things like prior authorization,
where you're trying to see if an insurance company's going
to pay for something you thought you paid for. All
that's going to become automated much faster. But the real
benefit here, and this is a critical point, is we're
(43:47):
going to be able to cut the fraud, waste, and
abuse out of the system that's destroying it, maybe one
hundred billion dollars of administrative costs unnecessarily. You may have
read last month we with a Department of Justice, we
announced the fifty billion dollars down because we're at one
point eight trillion dollar entity. We're double the size of
the defense budget. And in order to get into our walls,
(44:08):
they are security walls. You can use the numbers that
all Medicare beneficiaries have. They're there, they're there, their their
membership number, and so foreign companies and countries. Literally the
fifteen billion was a multinational criminal organization that's believed, I
believe is based in Russia. I mean, these are massive
operations trying to take us down. Technology is going to
(44:29):
allow us to protect ourselves, but at its very core,
the goal is not just to keep people alive. It's
to get them be vital, to get them to flourish.
The value of of an American who's help enough to
work is much much greater than what it costs to
treat them. But we have to actually get at those
wonderful folks who are making mistakes about their lifestyle in
(44:49):
a timely fashion. And technology, especially AI will let us
talk to people in ways that we couldn't have before,
to literally baby sit them through a process that they
may be going through which a doctor just won't do
on their own just they don't have the time. And
it also allows us to get to rural America which
has been left behind, and let that part of the
country thrive. You should not have folks falling behind. Every
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American ought to be cared for with the DIGNITATETD deserve.
It doesn't matter what gift go direct.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Doctor Oz, appreciate you being with us, sir.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
God bless you, my friends. Stay well.
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Speaker 1 (46:36):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We are joined now
by Melissa Holyoke, Commissioner of the United States Federal Trade Commission.
A lot going on in uh in that world as
we break down all of the different I would say, uh,
(46:58):
just insanity that seems to be going on a day
to day basis. A lot of different mergers underway, a
lot of different moving parts associated with the tariffs and
everything else.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
You're new in the job. How has that been for
you so far?
Speaker 4 (47:14):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (47:15):
Well, thank you, thank you for having me on. I'm
super excited to be here. Thanks Clay. The job has
been wonderful, it's been amazing. We had a change in
administration in January, so it's nice to finally have a
positive agenda that we can implement. But like you said,
things are changing every day, lots of big things in
our world. I think what's interesting is we get a
(47:37):
lot of questions about tariffs, and I will get a
lot of questions about tariffs, but we don't even though
the word trade is in our name, we don't necessarily
do anything with tariffs other than see maybe some of
the consequences of that. So we don't negotiate those or
enforce those. So what we're looking at what the Federal
Trade Commission does is protect America consumers United States mostly
(48:01):
from fraud, theres and scammers, and like you said, from
anti competitive behavior. And we look at mergers in the
world and see what's happening with companies, and we want
to protect Americans from monopolists as well.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
What are some of the thank you for being with
this Commissioner's buck, What are some of the primary frauds?
You know, one thing that we have a great sponsor
on the show that deals with identity theft. And one
thing that I've seen is just how sophisticated some of
these efforts are to do that. It's really it used
to be somebody would send you an email saying, you know,
(48:33):
I'll give you a million dollars if you give me
ten thousand, and unfortunately that would work far too often.
But it's a little bit, a little bit on the
obvious side. Now they're getting really good at pretending to
be from a bank or I mean, what are the
kind of scams or the kind of things the FTC
is focused in on policing these days.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
That's such a great question, I mean, because that is
a majority of our work, and what we want to
focus on is just growing and growing lest It was
ten billion dollars a couple of years ago and now
it's grown twenty five percent over twelve billion, and it's
what we want to focus on every day. So, and
what we're seeing, like you said, is we're seeing lots
(49:15):
of sophisticated frauds and the use of different technologies. So
one of those examples is they use voice cloning technology.
So you'll have a grandma in the middle of the
night get a call from what sounds exactly like her
grandson saying I'm in jail, I need money, send this
to me here, and it sounds just like them. And
those are the kinds of really concerning types of fraud
(49:40):
where folks, everyone can would get you from it, not
just it does. It's a lot more sophisticated than some
of the things that we've seen in the past, and
we're trying to go out and educate consumers on some
of these these more sophisticated frauds.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
What are the enforcement mechanisms, like what can you when
you find something that's going on. I mean, you're not
the FBI, right, so what what enforcement mechanisms does the
FTC have access to? And how does that process work
when you find the fraudsters.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Then what.
Speaker 8 (50:11):
Great question. So what we do is a lot of
the times we're looking at trends of frauds. So we
have a really large database that we have that many
many states have access to, and we look at complaints
that are coming in. I think one thing that I
want to if I could get a message out, one
thing is to make sure to report the fraud. We
have a website that says that where you can report
(50:32):
the frauds and we take those complaints and we start
from there and able to in order to do like
you said, investigations we can. We will issue civil investigative demands.
If we think there's a criminal component to it, we
work with our criminal partners. We will go reach out
to the Department of Justice or others state partners, US
(50:53):
attorneys and districts across the country and work with them
if those are those of criminal components are applicable to.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
So basically you can flag something for DOJ, and then
DJ can actually make it a criminal matter if that's
the kind of fraud you're.
Speaker 8 (51:09):
Talking about exactly. But we don't have to stop just
because there might be a criminal component. A lot of
times we can move really fast in terms of freezing
assets and going in and making sure like to stop
the bleeding and basically have those assets available if it's
and when we can get some money back to consumers.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
One of the biggest challenges I would imagine in the
merger space is technology and the fact that this thing
is moving so rapidly, whether it's AI or elsewhere, that
we typically think of monopoly power as something that leads
to higher prices. But in the universe that we're in now,
some of these huge tech companies are arguing that when
(51:48):
they are merging, when they are buying new assets, it's
actually leading to lower prices. How do you balance all
this out? Because the tech universe has definitely maybe upset
the Apple card of what monopolistic power truly looks like.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
I think that's so important that we're actually analyzing what
the harms are. Like you said, we have mergers that
we look at. So many mergers that get filed and
we get notification of them, but in the vast majority
of them, like literally ninety eight percent of cases, there's
no real problems there in terms of the merger, and
in fact, a lot of mergers provide benefits for consumers,
(52:27):
and so what we want to do is make sure
we're getting out of the way if there are our
mergers out there that can really provide benefits, because the
faster that they can move, the better and quicker that
those benefits can go to consumers. And then in the
smaller amount of cases, yes, we'll take a second look
in those two percent of cases to see what's happening.
But like you said, in these in tech and in
(52:47):
big tech, these are extremely dynamic markets. Things are changing
all the time, and we want to be analyzing them correctly.
So we're not providing or we're not preventing any benefits
that consumers could couldn't enjoy.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Outstanding stuff. Well, look, we need you back.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
I know you got a lot to get on involved
in because we've got what the big rail merger that
they're talking about right now. I'm sure you're going to
be diving into so many of these different cases, so
many of these different decisions.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Just keep us on speed dial.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
We want you on to be able to bring us
up to speed on so many of these different issues
going forward to congratulations on hopefully being able to get
a lot more done now with the new administration.
Speaker 8 (53:29):
Well, I appreciate that so much. I love the work
that I'm doing. It's it's very important. I will say
one thing that is that if I can just leave
with a few last moments thoughts related to the terriffs,
I think there's just been this real reinvigoration of American manufacturing,
(53:49):
American exceptionalism. And the one thing that the FTC has
been focusing on in the month of July is the
Made in the USA and label rule and oh are
enforcement efforts there? And if folks are looking and they're
seeing problems made in the USA labels that they just
don't that are suspect to them, they can email us
(54:11):
at MUSA at a FTC dot org. But we also
work with businesses, So if businesses are trying to comply
with the law and want to make sure that they
are advertising truthfully and really working with consumers on that,
they can also email.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Us because lots of people plug for that.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, lots of people sadly do try and lie about
them Made in the USA. We've done reading and studies
on that, so I'm glad that you can be on
top of it, because obviously is something that many people
want to be able to spend their money on Yes, absolutely,
thank you so much. That's Melissa Hollyoak with the FTC. Look,
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