Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Aug 6 2025

The Party of Envy 

President Trump’s remarks on Vice President JD Vance, suggesting him as the likely heir to the MAGA movement. Trump’s comments spark speculation about a JD Vance–Marco Rubio 2028 ticket, which Clay and Buck argue could consolidate Republican support early. The conversation explores the GOP’s deep bench of potential leaders, contrasting it with what they describe as the Democrats’ lack of viable candidates.

The hosts launch into a sharp critique of the Democratic Party, portraying it as a coalition of resentment, envy, and victimhood. They argue that Democrats have abandoned meritocracy and individual excellence, instead embracing identity politics and cultural decline. This includes commentary on Sydney Sweeney, media bias, and the lack of Democrat voices defending her against extreme accusations.

Big Balls Attacked 

Violent crime in Washington, DC, alarming homicide statistics compared to global cities like Lima, Nairobi, and Mexico City. The hosts highlight a recent carjacking incident that involved a former DOGE employee (Big Balls) by a youth mob, and Trump’s call for potential federal intervention in DC governance. They argue that fear of being labeled racist prevents meaningful law enforcement reform, despite disproportionate crime rates in certain communities.

Clay and Buck emphasize the need for common-sense policies, law enforcement accountability, and cultural renewal. They advocate for restoring safety and pride in America’s capital city and call out political hypocrisy on issues like gun control and defunding the police.

The episode also touches on Howard Stern’s rumored exit from SiriusXM, criticizing his shift toward COVID hysteria and anti-Trump rhetoric. The hosts suggest his influence has waned, and his show no longer resonates with audiences.

TX Gov. Greg Abbott 

Texas Governor Greg Abbott joins the show for a deep dive into Texas redistricting, where Governor Abbott outlines the potential addition of five Republican congressional seats and criticizes Democrat lawmakers for fleeing the state to avoid legislative duties. He highlights the hypocrisy of Democrat-led gerrymandering in states like Illinois, California, New York, and Massachusetts, while defending Texas’s efforts to reflect shifting voter demographics—particularly the growing support among Hispanic and Black voters for Republican candidates.

Governor Abbott also discusses legal actions taken against absent Democrat legislators, including Texas Supreme Court proceedings and statewide arrest warrants, emphasizing the importance of accountability and quorum in governance. The conversation shifts to the impact of recent flooding in Kerrville, Texas, where Abbott details ongoing search and rescue operations, disaster recovery efforts, and the push for new legislation to prevent future tragedies.

In a lighter segment, the show pivots to college football, with Abbott praising the Texas Longhorns as the top-ranked team in the nation. He previews their upcoming season opener against Ohio State, spotlighting Arch Manning and the team’s elite defense.

Miranda Devine

New York Post columnist Miranda Devine, who joins the program to analyze the latest developments surrounding the Russia collusion hoax and the broader implications for the Biden administration and deep state actors. Devine discusses House Oversight Chair James Comer’s aggressive subpoenas targeting former attorneys general and high-profile Democrats, including Hillary and Bill Clinton. She emphasizes that Donald Trump’s second term is marked by a shift from mercy to accountability, driven by years of political persecution and revelations about intelligence manipulation under the Obama administration.

The conversation highlights Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s role in exposing the origins of the Russia hoax and the alleged involvement of Obama-era intelligence officials like John Brennan, James Clapper, and James Comey. Devine suggests that Trump’s Justice Department, backed by figures like Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Senator Chuck Grassley, is preparing for potential indictments, with multiple grand juries possibly being empaneled in Florida and Washington, D.C. The hosts and Devine explore the legal avenues available, including perjury and conspiracy charges, and discuss the public’s growing demand for justice and deterrence against future political weaponization.

Clay and Buck also take aim at mainstream media outlets such as The New York Times and The Washington Post, criticizing their refusal to retract or acknowledge false reporting related to the Russia investigation. Devine calls for the return of Pulitzer Prizes awarded for coverage now widely discredited, com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clay. Have you heard of the Rio Reset?

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck, it.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil.
The formal name is BRICKS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's an understatement. Bricks is a group of emerging
economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Can he give us some inside intel?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact, a
major theme at the summit is how Bricks Nations aim
to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.
These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
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(01:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:43):
Welcome in.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as
we roll through the Wednesday edition of the program. We
got a couple of great guests coming your way. Miranda Divine,
our friend from the New York Post which now is
going to open version of The New York Post in California.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Super interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
They said their second biggest market was LA and so
there will now be a California edition of the New
York Post. But we'll talk about that and more with
Miranda Divine at one. She knows more about the lies
of the Biden administration and the Democrat Party than pretty
much anyone in the country. We will discuss that with her.
At two o'clock Eastern time, one o'clock in the Central

(02:26):
time zone where Austin, Texas is located, we will discuss
with Governor Greg Abbott of Texas the Texas redistricting mess
and the Democrats having fled the state and what the
absolute latest is on that story. So all of that
is coming in your direction. But Buck, I thought Trump yesterday,

(02:50):
first of all, walking around on the roof of the
White House was great, and we played some of those cuts.
But I was a little bit surprised this didn't get
more attention. There has been a lot of discussion about
what comes after Trump, what is the Republican Party going
to do, Who is going to be the next to
pick up the Trump mantle and run with it? And

(03:10):
so far Trump has kind of avoided discussing that very much.
In fact, he's tended to say, hey, that basically he
would like to continue to be able to run. He's
flirted with the concept of running in twenty twenty eight.
He's talked about it openly, notwithstanding the fact that there
are term limits obviously in play for him. And yesterday

(03:32):
he was asked, I believe, by Peter Deucy, a question
about JD. Vance And I think it is probably the
most intense or most furthest along the road of a
potential endorsement that we have seen. I want to play
it for you. I want to get your reaction, Buck
and also many of yours out there. I know it's early,

(03:52):
but already the discussion of what is going to happen
after Trump is happening. Sorry, this is Peter Deucy asking
that question yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Cut to very launch.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
President Trump, Nice to see you got off the roof,
all right, yeah, yeah, you said this morning that you
probably won't be running for a third term this weekend.
Secretary of State Rubio said that he thought JD. Vance
would be a great nominee. You could clear the entire
Republican field right now. Do you agree that the heir
apparent to Maga is JD Vance?

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Well, I think most likely, in all fairness, he's the
vice president. I think Marco is also somebody that maybe
would get together with JD in some form. I also
think we have incredible people, some of the people in
the stage right here. So it's too early obviously to
talk about it, but certainly he's doing a great job
and he would be probably favorite at this point.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
What do you think, Buck, I mean, I know it's early,
but the idea of a JD vance for president, Marco
Rubio for vice president ticket right out of the gate,
I think would forestall a lot of people running again
against against JD and everyone else. Again, I know it's
a ways into the future, but this is the most
expansive that Trump has been on the subject so far.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
What do you think, Well, it's very Trump, he says,
too early to talk about. But JD's fantastic and would
be a great one and probably is the one. But
we can't know who the one is. But probably maybe
we'll talk about it some other time, including today. Yeah,
I think that the vice president is always considered to
be unless it's Joe Biden after eight years, but the

(05:30):
vice president is considered a good point. Isn't it amazing?
You would who would have taken the odds on Biden
will end up as president and Hillary will not for
the Democrats in twenty you know, starting in twenty fifteen,
when it was clear that Hillary was the well, it
actually wasn't that clear. It was Bernie and Hillary. Anyway,
you get one of it, that.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It would play out the way it did would have
been a ten thousand to one bet, because I think
most people would have just done basic math. You could
have said, hey, Hillary might have a health condition, she
might have to drop out. But if you would ask him,
like October of sixteen, when Hillary was a prohibitive favorite,
what are the odds that Biden would ever end up
president of the United States, you could have gotten him

(06:08):
at an unbelievable rate.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
It also, though, just goes to and this isn't this
isn't oh rah rah our team. The other team stinks.
Although that's true too. We have a deep bench. They
don't and they'll pretend like that's not the case, but
we all know that that's what's going on here. Would
JD Vance if Trump blesses a JD Vance campaign when

(06:32):
the time comes, Remember it's not eight years out, it's
a few years out. Now, That's the thing. It is
very different. It's not like Trump has two terms to go.
He's got this term and that's it.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's a year and a half buck which sounds crazy,
But people will start officially announcing in like January and
February of twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, it's not that far out. But JD. Vance I
think would be a great standard bearer for the Republican Party.
I think Marco Rubio would be a great standard bearer.
I think there are about four or five other people
you could throw into the mix there who, whether you
love them or they're your top choice or your third
choice or whatever, they're serious candidates who could win votes.
At Ron DeSantis, serious candidates who could win a lot

(07:09):
of votes and do very well on a national election.
And we still sit here and laugh about how the
Democrats what Gavin Newsom? I think Kamala's finished. You think
maybe she makes one more run at it. Bernie Sanders
is too old, The too old thing is real now,
I think everyone you're right. Yeah, in the post Biden era,

(07:29):
you can't just pretend somebody who can't walk without assistance
basically is going to be the president anymore. And anybody
who says old Trump's tool as we know. It's about
the indicators you see of how someone speaks and how
they move, even more so than just their age. Trump
is running around making fun of how people can't hit
three hundred yards or whatever off the t's like he can.
Like Trump's doing great. So yeah, I think the JD

(07:51):
and Rubio would be the first that would be the
first team that most people would think of. But it
is very early clay and there's a lot of base
all left to play.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I do think that to your point, on the Democrats side,
there is kind of a quiet panic setting in. I
think that's why they're reacting to the redistricting as they are.
And again it needs to be talked about more. The
way that COVID has realigned all of the different states.

(08:22):
You're an example of this, leaving New York going to Miami.
The amount of power that is going to reside in
red states for generations to come. Democrats can't win. I
got a call yesterday. I don't know if it's I
don't know how it's gonna end up turning out, So
just be aware. I talked to a reporter from the
New York Times. He called. He's said he've been listening

(08:44):
to some of our show, and he wanted to talk
about Sidney Sweeney and the impact there. And one of
the questions he asked was.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
What New York Times called you about this?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, yeah, they're doing this.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I think they're doing a story about Sidney Sweeney and
the reaction to it and.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Right wing Sidney Sweeney slash First Amendment and boobs expert
Clay Travis.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
This is this is my wheelhouse. So I'm not saying
that I am the focal point of the story. I
think Sidney Sweeney is the focal point of the story.
But this show now has grown to the point where
I think people are like, oh wow. You know, Clay
and Buck actually talked to a lot of people, and
OutKick has obviously been outspoken on this and all those things.
But he asked me a question. I thought it was

(09:28):
an interesting question because I hadn't thought about it. He said, Okay,
so you're pointing out all the left wing Nazism accusations
against Sidney Sweeney. He said, who are the Democrat politicians
that have actually taken an aggressive stance on this? He said,
you know, President Trump has talked about it. Jd Vance
has talked about it a lot of people have, and

(09:49):
I said, you know, it's an interesting way of asking
it because I said, whenever a Republican says something ridiculous
or someone who is connected to the Republican Party, the
media shows up and demands that everybody answer for it.
This is how you can tell how the rig job
goes on. I said, yeah, you may be right that
there haven't been a lot of Democrat elected officials reacting

(10:12):
to the Sidney Sweeney ad. But let me point this out.
None of them have come out and said, hey, it's
crazy to call Sidney Sweeney a Nazi. And what I
was analogizing there is at some point Gavin Newsom has
tiptoed up to it.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
But somebody is going to have to have the.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Balls inside of the Democrat Party to actually call out
the crazy wing of the Democrat Party. And so far
everyone is terrified of it. And that is where I
think kind of a quiet panic has set in, because
who is the truth teller who will say men can't
compete in women's sports? Pretty girls in gene commercials is

(10:53):
not the equivalent of Nazism. There is no vote vote
voice right now for basic and sense in any way
on the Democrat Party.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
The Democrat Party became and this really happened. It started
in the Obama era, and I think it reached it
reached its full it's pinnacle under the Biden administration. But
it became the party of people who are just, and
I mean people in the broadest sense, everybody, gender, race, everything,

(11:23):
People who feel victimized, don't take accountability, are resentful, are bitter,
and feel lost without a political party to give them
some sense of identity to make up for that whole
and that is not a happy place for people to be.
It's really the party of malcontents, which is not unusual.

(11:44):
I mean the race politics of the Democrat Party, the
class warfare politics of Democrat Party, all of that goes
toward people who are generally resentful of others in some capacity.
But I think now you've seen it more than ever.
The Democrat Party is full of a lot of people
who are just unhappy. Yeah, I know there are happy Democrats.
We're talking about, you know, one hundred and fifty million

(12:05):
people on one side, one hundred and fifty million people
give or take on the other. But overall, the ethos
of the Democrat Party, what is the they don't celebrate
American greatness, They don't celebrate American history without spinning on
it all the time. They don't seem like a happy
bunch of people based on their politics and what they
talk about and what they focus on.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think that's well said.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I would also kind of distill it in this way,
it's the Democrat Party has become the party of envy.
They wish that they had things that other people have.
I think it the Sidney Sweeney is a funny example
of this, because almost every woman that has criticized Sidney
Sweeney publicly on the Democrat side is fat, unattractive, and ugly.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I'm sorry, it's just the truth.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
And it doesn't surprise me that the party that is
angry that people have more money than them would also
be featuring women who are angry that there are other
more attractive women. And I think in general, the Republican
Party is the party of meritocracy. We tend to believe
that individual excellence over time wins, and that you should

(13:16):
be able to enable as much individual excellence as possible
in sports and politics and business.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Something aspirational. Yes, the Republican Party celebrates achievement in and
you know, This is at its most basic level. Republicans, Conservatives,
people on the right, let's just say the right. They
look at things around us and they say, Wow, that
person's really beautiful. Isn't that cool? Or that person's really brilliant,
that person's so successful. Isn't that something? How they get there?

(13:45):
How do we get more people to get there?

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
What led to that? Democrats see it and they say,
you didn't build that, It took a village, You're not
as good as you think. You have unearned privilege, They
have all these things, all these excuses, uh, which which
is why increasingly I think you see people who are
you know, it's it's not just I know, there's a
lot of very rich Democrats, people who are happy in

(14:09):
their lives, with their choices. That's really the differ end.
I know, miser you know, plenty of miserable, very rich people. Yes,
you know, I don't think JB. Pritzker, for example, is
a happy guy, even though he's a billionaire. And I
could get into a whole bunch of reasons why. You know, Yeah,
I think he's I think he's a guy with enormous insecurities.
And you know, that's just one that comes to mind
as I'm talking to everybody. But uh, I think that

(14:30):
people who view their day to day and are feel
confident in who they are and what they do, whether
you're a street sweeper or you're a fortune one hundred CEO,
I think that they tend to lean right because that's
just the way they see the world.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah, I think that's right. And believe in the meritocracy
and individual excellence. And uh, I do think that as
time has progressed, the Democrat Party has just become increasingly angry, embittered,
and envious of people who have success that they wish
they had. And that's a very tough place to live.
It's also almost impossible to win a national election with

(15:07):
that prism through which you're seeing the world.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, and I believe think.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
The Democrat Party is a coalition of bitterness. I mean
that's what at least that's what it feels like. And people,
I could sit here all day and get into oh,
we had to change on the nowver now our movies
all suck everybody, we know this movies got really bad.
What happened? Democrats had to change who was writing them,
who was in them? All this stuff. Same with you know,
a lot of the new Netflix shows and everything else.
Fifteen years ago Netflix was doing amazing stuff. You can

(15:33):
talk about this in the publishing industry too. Who's getting published?
You know, it has to be like you know, non
binary Eskimo talking about the challenges of I'm gonna get
angry Eskimo emails. Now they're like, we're in you it
not Eskimo. Whatever. They've done this all over the place.
What have they made more beautiful, more exciting? Better? What
have they? Look at what they've done to cities? Have

(15:54):
they made them more beautiful, safer, more aspirational or worse?
I could do this all day. We do a whole
show and just how democrats ruin everything they're in charge of,
and their philosophy is full their political philosophy is full
of bitterness and no accountability.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
And opposition to beauty. I you know, in both buildings.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
In cities, inside it beauty as human beings, not just
on the on the you know, yes that too. Obviously
there's the Sydney Sweeney part of things, but there's also
you know, people who are tremendously courageous and you know,
unless unless you're talking about race or gender issues or
or redistribution of wealth or free healthcare. Democrats don't really care.

(16:34):
And that doesn't really it doesn't really get on the
get on the radar. So what we're seeing is is
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Speaker 3 (18:03):
Podcasts started off with the discussion about, hey, what might
be coming after Trump? Trump weighing in on who the
potential air apparent is. This is actually, unfortunately a sad
story and I saw the data on this and I
was just shaking my head at the fact that it
could have gotten this bad. One of the guys who
worked with Doge that was called big Balls that the

(18:25):
media had a ton of fun and criticism associated with
him being there. Young guy was beaten up pretty bad
in Washington, d C. Trying to stop a mob from
picking on a girl. Is the report that I have
seen that is out there. And Trump weighed in Cut
three on the crime issues that are occurring in DC.

(18:49):
But right before I play that buck end, Wokeness shared
these numbers, and I do think it kind of characterizes
the degree to which we have allowed the nation capital
to descend into a great deal of they were trying
to car jack somebody. Just to be clear, it was
a carjacking attempt. It wasn't just like a general harassment.
They were trying to car jack a woman. Yeah, listen

(19:12):
to listen to this data, because this is in Wokeness.
Capital City homicide rates Washington, d C. Forty one per
one hundred thousand residents, which is an extraordinarily awful number.
And then listen to some of these other countries, many
of which I don't think we look at and say, boy,

(19:32):
they're really safe and incredible. Lima Peru seven per one
hundred thousand, Havana, Cuba four per one hundred thousand, Nairobi,
Kenya five per one hundred thousand, Brazilia, Brazil thirteen per
one hundred thousand, Lagos, Nigeria fifteen per one hundred thousand, Bogata,

(19:58):
Colombia eleven per one hundred thousand, Mexico City eight per
one hundred thousand. Adis Ababa Ethiopia six per one hundred thousand.
All of those places, we are basically triple, quadruple, quintuple,
ten times the amount of violent crime. The fact that

(20:21):
we are allowing DC to have the violence that it
does is simply unacceptable. And President Trump talked about that.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
By the way, I have to say that somebody from
those was very badly hurt last night. You saw that
a young man who was beat up by a bunch
of thugs in DC. And either they're going to straighten
their act out in the terms of government and in
terms of protection, and we're gonna have to federalize and
run it the way it's supposed to be run.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I mean, I don't begrudge Trump making the decision, but
that rate of violence that I just shared, and Buck
and I both love DC.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
You've lived there, I've lived there.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
The fact that that's been allowed to occur and the
Democrats who have run DC for generations have not stopped
the violence from ensuing is I never had looked at
it as a capital city in comparison to others.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's simply unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, it's a mob of teenagers trying to carjack a woman,
and this is far too common. Unfortunately in d C.
Because they're miners, we're gonna get very few details other
than the ages of these individuals. I think we can
assume they were not wearing Maga hats for sure. So

(21:38):
you know, this is DC. We like d C. Clay,
we talk about it. There's only one part. It's a
four section grid. Now some sections are larger than others,
but there's whole areas of DC you just don't go to.
It's just considered on I mean, there's no reason to
go for a lot of people because that's not where government,
where the jobs are, and it's considered very unsafe at night,

(21:58):
and so you just don't go. And it shouldn't be
that way. It's a shame because there are other cities
and you mentioned some of them around the world. You know,
Mexico has its problems where there are cartels, but overall,
Mexico is actually quite safe in Mexico City, and you know,
relatively speaking for a city of its size, But you

(22:19):
go to a place like like Tokyo, Japan, and there's
almost no violent crime. We don't have to deal with this.
The reality, though, is you have to enforce the law
irrespective of the demographic characteristics of the people who are
breaking serious laws, hurting people and committing violence. That's it.
You can clean this up really fast. You just can't
then cry about, oh my gosh, we don't have enough

(22:42):
Asian Americans in our prisons. There's a problem here, we
need to find some more Asian Americans to put in prison. Well, no,
they're not committing crimes. So that's why they're like less
than one percent of the population at Rikers Island in
New York. And whenever the DC jail is you know,
it's not Korean immigrants were committing the crimes. That's for sure,
Korean Americans. So that's it. I mean, it really just

(23:05):
comes down to you either enforce the law and the
statutes that are there. And I know people are gonna say, oh, well,
part of the problem here is that miners know, and
you know, some fifteen sixteen year olds they know that
they can carry guns, they can commit serious crimes and
they will be effectively unpunished, meaning you know, they might
go to juvie for a while or whatever. Unless they

(23:27):
murder somebody, they're not going to be charged as adults.
So they can steal cars, they can you know, hold
people up at gunpoint. And this is what ends up
happening in DC. You get these these mobs of youth
who you know, I mean sixteen years old, I was
like almost six feet tall and one hundred and eighty
pounds at sixteen. Like sixteen, you can actually be very

(23:49):
formidable physical pressent, especially if you're a guy. But you
know they're gonna act like their children, and they go,
oh my gosh, they can't be seriously punished. So this
is what happens. There's just lack of political will to
do do anything.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I also think when you run through all of those
other capital cities, most of those countries, even if they
have extreme violence other places, as you mentioned Mexico with
the cartel violence for instance, they say we will not
allow this to happen in the capital city at minimum,
because they want the capital city to be seen as
a jewel and representative of the overall magnificence of their country.

(24:26):
Why would we not want the same in Washington, DC.
I mean, I have not heard this debate. I've never
seen the violence rates in DC put in context compared
to other capital cities. But I do think it is
an incredible black eye for the country, and we mentioned
this kid who got being up. I mean this hit
close to home for me because I did a couple

(24:48):
of weeks. You came for part of them. My son
was doing an internship. He's a just finished his junior
year in high school. A kid got shot in northwest DC,
where you're supposed to be safe just walking on the
streets because gun violence among the criminal class is so
common that there are just gunshots spraying out all the time.

(25:12):
And this kid, I believe he was from Illinois, was
up for an internship during college, just walking basically down
a street at night in DC and he was killed, murdered,
and he wasn't the target of the violent act, but
that's how common gunshots are. This is something that I
think Trump is right on. And Trump cares about symbolism,

(25:34):
he cares about beauty, and I think he sees the
nation's capital being a killing ground as a black guy
for all of us, no matter where we live, and
it should be cleaned up. And I speak as somebody
who lived as a resident in Washington, DC. You did
as well. It is a city that has the potential,
notwithstanding the fact that it is filled with Democrats, to

(25:56):
be a shining City on the Hill for many different
places around the world world, including citizens of all over
the United States. Trump's right on this. We shouldn't stand
for forty one murders per one hundred thousand residents. We
should clean its place up. And I think if we
have to federalize more aspects of security and protection in

(26:17):
the nation's capital, that's something that we have to consider
and should do.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
You know, you look at the data which I'm looking
at right now, and I believe this is from it.
This is from the Bureau of Justice Statistics and US
Census Bureau data from the Prison Policy Initiative, and they're
taught and they're bringing just to be clear, they're bringing
this up to decry the racial disparity. So they're showing

(26:44):
this data to say, look at how unfair this is.
But the DC incarceration rates are per hundred thousand DC residents.
People incarcerated in districts jails p one hundred thousand DC residents.
It's it's thirty three white per one hundred thousand, one

(27:04):
hundred and thirty five Hispanic, and five hundred and forty
three black, and there's no and all the rest of
the ethnic categories have actually basically zero. I mean, there's
effectively zero statistically, so you have based on this the population.
I'm trying to do the math in my head, but
I mean five hundred and forty three versus thirty three

(27:26):
talking about call it fifteen times fifteen times the incarceration
rate in DC. And that's for a left wing group
that's upset about it. My point is they don't want
to enforce laws because they don't like what happens when
they enforce laws, and so you have more lawlessness. And
you've seen this in every city well, and it's a
shame because DC has a vibrant black middle class and

(27:49):
upper middle class who a lot of them work for
the federal government, who are law abiding, who deserve to
have safe communities, who deserve to go to school or
go to work every day and not worry about being robbed,
you know, because most of the crime is happening in
predominantly black areas. But the politicians play this game. So
this is why it doesn't get better.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
And I'm glad you raised all that. This is an
example of where fear of being labeled racist actually has
incredibly significant consequences for black communities because the reality is this,
thirteen percent of the population roughly is black in America.
Over fifty percent of all murders in America are committed

(28:31):
by people who are black. That's the reality, okay. And
so for fear of being labeled racist, almost no politicians
will even talk about this. But if you truly want
to lower the violent crime rate in America, the place
where you have the most impact and could have the

(28:53):
most significant saving of lives is by focusing in the
black community. And you remember this as someone who lived
in New York. They attacked my Mayor Bloomberg like crazy
for stopping frisk and saying, oh, this is racist, And
Bloomberg just said, what the data reflects that stopping and
frisking people all over New York City doesn't make sense.

(29:15):
Stop and frisk makes sense in places where violent gun
crimes are occurring on a regular basis. You can't stop
crime by stopping and frisking everybody who's going to I
don't know what's the highest in place in New York City.
You're more likely to the Harvard Club on a random,
you know, Friday. The crime is taking place in very significant,

(29:36):
known neighborhoods. That's where the resources need to go. I
mean this is also stop. The real policy was stop
questioning frisk. They just stop in frisk to make it
seem more arbitrary, but they would ask people questions and
then if they thought they had a basis for the search,
they would they would pat them down. Uh you know,
I mean I get you get padded down to go

(29:56):
to the airport. I could pad it down when I
go to sports. Aren it is I get padded down
when I go when I've gone to certain bars. Actually, yeah,
prizingly enough, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I think that. Unfortunately, the left won that argument and
the Sorosda's got their way for a while and a
lot more people died. It is it is shameful that
DC is as dangerous as it is. It is entirely
in Democrat control. It is a ninety five percent Democrat
voting city and it just doesn't have to be this way.

(30:26):
And the people in charge should be ashamed. The people
making these are, you know, the prosecutors, the mayor, the
head of the police force. They should feel ashamed of
their inability to protect people who are paying high taxes,
who are disarmed. By the way, You're not only bad
guys get to carry guns in DC. I remember this Clay,
when I was going up to train with with the

(30:47):
DJ Shipley and his GBRS outfit, that I was flying
into Norfolk, Virginia and there's well this one copy talk
is like be careful. You want to make sure you
don't get flown into d C because of way, because
they'll arrest you in the DC airport for having a handgun.
It's crazy, even though I've checked it and it's you know,
I'm like, they would arrest me because oh yeah, no,
they'll arrest you there. Shameless, shameless. The gang bangers all

(31:12):
can get guns in Virginia or wherever and just drive
across the river, but they take law abiding citizens and
they disarm them. So that's why Big Balls has to
step in with you know, a mob of dangerous youth
and just use his fist to defend a woman who's
being carjacked. These kids wanted to steal a car, and

(31:34):
Ali producer ally pointed this out. The most. The most
that a youth, a youth and a minor can be
sentenced for a crime, even including murder, is detention until
twenty one. Clay, seventeen year old murder somebody in DC.
Most they can get detention center till they're twenty one years.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Old, and you know who they're killing.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Unfortunately, by and large, the data would reflect young black kids.
So if you truly believe that black lives matter, right,
the number one thing you could do is actually drive
down the black murder rate. Most people won't even have
that conversation because again they're afraid of acknowledging that race
is involved. When you look at the data and look,

(32:18):
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idea of defunding the police. The people who wanted to
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security forces, including this clown mom Donnie, who had his
own security force following him around everywhere in Uganda. These

(32:40):
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they're arguing that everybody else shouldn't have the police. That's
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Speaker 3 (33:56):
We're joined now by the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott,
he has been in the midst of a big battle,
and Governor, I appreciate you joining us.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Let's start with this.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
The redistricting that would potentially add five Republican seats has
led to Democrats fleeing your state. Most of them, it appears,
have gone to Illinois, which is among the most gerrymander
of all states. They have fourteen Democrat seats three Republican seats,
despite the fact that President Trump got around forty five

(34:29):
percent of the vote there in twenty twenty four. Of
all the places they could have run, that seems like
a really interesting choice to have made. What's the latest
you can tell us about them potentially having to come
back and do their jobs as elected legislator members.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
Well, for one, you know, you just pointed out the
hypocrisy of these Democrats. It's not just a hypocrisy of
the Democrats in Texas. That's the hypocrisy of the Democrats
in Illinois as well as across the entire country who
are saying that Texas shouldn't be doing this redistricting. When
you look at Illinois, when you look at California, when
you look at New York, when you look at Massachusetts,
when you look at all the blue states, that is

(35:09):
the epitome of jerry mandering. What the Democrats have done
and what Texas is doing. We're just trying to draw
lines to allow voters to vote for the candidate of
the choice. Easy example, and that in each of these
five seats that we're going to add, Trump won those
five seats. The Canada of choice is Donald Trump and

(35:31):
a Republican Democrats that are a problem in Texas because
they think they had a quote ownership right to Hispanic
and Black voters. And now it turned out that Hispanic
voters and black voters are voting Republicans, not Democrats. So
they have all kinds of problems. But where we stand
procedurally in all of this, and that is that I

(35:53):
took action yesterday in a proceeding to vacate or remove
from office the leader of this runaway renegade group of Democrats,
and followed proceeding in the Texas Supreme Court. Texas Supreme
Court immediately ordered the leader of the runaway Democrats, his
name is jing Wu, to file papers in the Supreme

(36:16):
Court by Friday to respond to my allegations. Because we
are seeking to remove him from office and to hold
these people accountable because we cannot conduct a business in
the Stead of Texas because they've broken a quorum, and
so for one, we're going to hold them accountable. For another,
arrest Warrants are out for all of them, and we're
searching across the Stead of Texas to find out if

(36:36):
there are any Democrats in the Stead of Texas, and
if there are, we're going to be arresting them. And
we will have the Department of Public Safety officers working across
the country to try to identify them and know this
because I think the Democrats who are in Illinois New
York at Center don't know this, and that is the
FBI is out looking for them also, so we're going

(36:58):
to track them down and get them back. But the
last one is this, This is total futility by the Democrats.
They've tried this before multiple times since I've been governor.
And what happens is a special session in Texas last
thirty days and they eventually have to come back, and
when they come back, they'll be arrested since it's the capitol,

(37:19):
and we're going to get past what was on the agenda,
just like we have every other time.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Why do you think they're doing this?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Like, let's pretend that you were not the governor of
Texas trying to enact the law as you were elected
to do, and instead you were trying to just sit
out there and you're looking at this and you're saying,
what is their game plan here? You just laid out
why it's not gonna work. What do you think they
are thinking they are gaining from this?

Speaker 9 (37:49):
I don't think that they are thinking to be.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Hop that's a good answer, by the way.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
The reality is they're losing bad from this. And what
we've seen it happen before. I'll tell you what's happening
in the past and why it's going to be repeated again.
And that is everyone listening to the show, every average
Texans instead of Texas. They have to show up for work,
and if they don't show up for us down, I'm
going to boycott today. I'm going to break quarm I'm

(38:18):
not going to go do my job. I'm going to
leave them go to Illinois. They be fired. And so
what these Democrats are doing, they're angering the average Texas voter,
of the swing voter, if you would, who thinks, well,
they got to go to work, but these rogue Democrats
don't have to go to work. And then to make
this even more impactful against these democrats, I called a

(38:43):
special session which lasts thirty days, and I put eighteen
items on that session, the first of which were four
items to deal with the tragic floods that took place
in central Texas where we lost more than one hundred Texans.
They lost their life because of that flood. And we

(39:03):
need remedies such as warning systems, other strategies for our
rivers and flooding. We need laws passed that will protect
the lives of Texans in the future. And the reason
why those laws are not being passed, the reason why
the resources are not being provided to the fellow Texans
who need those resources, is because Democrats are hold up

(39:26):
in Chicago and New York and left the states across
the country.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
We're talking to the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott. One
of the things that I think is a huge part
of this story that isn't being talked about enough, and
i'd like to get your reaction to this is one
reason you can redraw congressional maps and redraw lines is
because of the surge in Hispanic support for Republicans across
the state of Texas. Some people out there on the

(39:54):
left are saying, oh, this is racist. What it actually
represents is the majority of Hispanics in Texas voted for
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
They're now voting for you.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
They are voting Republican and it has fundamentally altered the map,
including in particular down along the border in South Texas.
For people who may not know what has happened, what
has the data shown about Hispanic voters men in particular,
but also a lot of women flooding in to support Republicans.

Speaker 9 (40:24):
Well, all you had to do was take a look
at the map of Texas on the night of the
presidential election and saw all of the counties on the
border that Donald Trump won that have been blue for
more than one hundred years, and they were read under
Donald Trump. But Clay, get this very important fact, because
this just obliterates any claim of racism. Let me tell

(40:48):
you what these maps do. Four of the new districts
we are creating are predominant Hispanic districts, and it just
turns out they're Hispanic Republicans. But these are going to
be Hispanic districts, and we preserve the Barbara Jordan district
and Houston. Barbara Jordan was a well known black member

(41:12):
of Congress for a long time, and her district had
been broken apart. Uh, and we're putting it back together.
We're restoring that district. And so any allegations about race
playing a role adverse to Democrats here is nothing but
just an out right line.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Are you concerned at all you can make the right
decision for Texas. I'm sure you've heard Gavin Newsom say, well,
if this happens, we're going to do that in California,
and Kathy Hochel and New York the governor's there. I'm
sure you know those guys and gals well and JB.
Pritzker even said maybe we'll take away some Are you
concerned about other states responding to Texas and how would

(41:51):
you respond to governors there making those threats?

Speaker 9 (41:55):
Well, let's walk through that. For one, those states are
so jerry mandard it's hard to pick up any more seats.
I think I saw in the map of Illinois of
all the members of Congress, there are only three Republican
seats left, and so Jerry Manner and I don't think
they could rig it any more than they have right
now in California. Understand the facts correctly. Gabtissim is trying

(42:18):
to place I think a constitutional amendment on the ballot
that would allow them to take action. The point being
that unlike in Texas he as governor, he doesn't have
the unilateral authority to call for redistricting. In Texas, we do.
We don't have a commission here like they do in California.
And so bottom line is this, the Democrats have hurdles

(42:41):
that may not be able to be cleared in order
for them to be able to do any of their
own redistricting.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
What should we know?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
You mentioned that one of the reasons you're having this
special legislative session was what happened with the flooding. What
should this audience, both in Texas and certainly outside of
Texas know about the laft there and how things are
going to be handled when it comes to that.

Speaker 9 (43:04):
Response, So with regard to what happened in the Curvell
area as well as many other areas in the state
that got ravaged by flooding and where we lost so
many lives, First in the Curvell area, we're still missing
two people. I want everyone to know that we continue
and will continue the search for the two people who

(43:28):
remain missing, and we will be deploying new strategies to
make sure that we're using every tool possible to find
everybody who is missing. Second after a disaster like this,
there are several steps that have to be taken, and
they're all being taken. One is to clean up the debris,
the others to begin the rebuilding process. Because of the

(43:51):
generosity of so many of our fellow Texans and Americans,
there was a lot of money available. Well, we're going
to start working to immediately rebuild homes and get people
back with a roof over their head. It could be
rebuilding it from scratch, it could be making repairs to it,

(44:12):
it could be. In that area, there were a lot
of r V homes and those are being provided by
Samaritans Perse and so we have so many organizations like
that in addition to the resources the state has. But
then in addition to that, we want to make sure
that the state is passing laws and providing resources to
make sure events like this don't happen again.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
We're talking to the Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, much
less significant. So we talked to redistricting, the battle there.
We talked obviously, the flood, all of that. The Texas
Longhorns are number one in the country and open the
season on the road at Ohio State in about I
think four weeks from when we're talking right now. Are

(44:56):
the Longhorns the best team in the country.

Speaker 9 (45:00):
So, I think the Longhorns have the best defense in
the country, a lot of returners, and at every position,
whether we're in the line that they may have the
best two defensive ends in the country, the best linebacking corps,
the best defensive back build. So their defense, which I
think was ranked something like number third in the nation
last year, is going to be very stout, very hard

(45:22):
to score upon. On offense, you know, there's a lot
of new faces on the offensive line. At quarterback obviously,
it is going to be the big debut of Arch Manning.
And because the offensive line players they played a lot
of snaps, and because Arts himself was able to play
a lot of snaps, they have a sense of what

(45:43):
to do. That said, as you know, if you go
into the Ohio State stadium and play a game there,
it kind of doesn't matter who you are. That's a
tough game I will remind you of this. However, the
last time that the University of Texas ones played at
the shoe at Ohio State, they want they lived Ohio

(46:05):
State led by quarterback Vince Young. And we have a
transformational quarterback like that in arch Manning this year, and
I think he's going to be able to go there.
Leave him to vickery once again against an Ohio State
team that itself is having to go through everybuilding.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Year, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Governor, feel free come on anytime. We're different times of
the year. Number one in Austin, number one in Houston,
highly rated all over your state. So we appreciate everybody
out there listening in the lone star state. Good luck
to the Longhorns, and only about four weeks till football
season gets rolling.

Speaker 9 (46:42):
Take care always wake a business with you.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Thanks so much, Clay, appreciate that Governor of Texas, Greg Abbott.
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Speaker 1 (49:07):
Our friend Miranda Devine joins. She is the New York
Post columnist extraordinaire, author Laptop from Hell, among others, and
pod Force one host and Miranda has always great to
have you on the program.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
Great to be with you. I hope this sounds okay.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Oh, it's great, It's fantastic. So tell us this comber.
Let's start with this one comer's subpoenas for every attorney
general that I think anybody can name going back twenty years,
and also Hillary and Bill Clinton, all this stuff. Do
you think this goes somewhere? Clay and I, I don't
know if you heard any part of this, but we're

(49:49):
both skeptical. But what do you think, what does this mean?
What happens?

Speaker 7 (49:55):
Look, I mean, there's a lot of people trying to
do a lot of things. So just setting Congress side,
because I think we've seen, you know, through the Biden administration,
even when the Republicans did take the House, for all
their best efforts, it's pretty much a toothlus tiger unless
it's in the hands of someone very machiavellian like Nancy

(50:16):
Pelosi who manages to put people like Steve Bannon and
Petere Navarro in jail for contempt of Congress. I don't
know that the Republicans in Congress are quite that ruthless yet,
but certainly Donald Trump and his you know, Justice Department people,
whether it be Pam Bondi or Cash Pattel, and then

(50:37):
CIA director John Ratcliffe, backed up by Chuck Grasley, the
Senator who's been sort of the champion of transparency and
whistleblowers forever. They are determined, they mean business. And I
think that's backed by the fact that Donald Trump has
a different attitude this term to his first term. He

(50:58):
told me in an interview that he yes, he did
feel angry a bit about these new revelations that Telsey
Gabbertt has been tabling about the origins of the Russia hopes,
about how Obama directed his National Purity Intelligence people to
concoct this intelligence that said that Putin favored Trump and

(51:22):
that's why he won the twenty sixteen election. That wasn't true,
and it.

Speaker 9 (51:26):
Was just a sort of a.

Speaker 7 (51:28):
Decoy from Hillary Clinton's problems and trying to solve Obama's
ego because Donald Trump's victory was a repudiation of his
eight years. So all of that has made Donald Trump
more determined, and he said in his first term he
wanted to show mercy. He thought that country should heal,

(51:51):
even though his rallies his supporters were saying lock her
up about Hillary Clinton. He figured, well, look, she's the
wife of a former president, you're a former secretary of state.
I just don't want to go after her and cause
the country to be in turmoil and chaos. I just

(52:12):
want to concentrate on fixing the economy, etc. Well, then
in the ensuing eight years, look what happened to him.
They targeted him with you know, impeachments, the Russia hoax law,
fair assassination attempts, you name it. And he's still standing.
The American people saw through it all. He won a

(52:33):
comprehensive victory that they can't try and be legitimized like
they did in twenty sixteen. And now he wants accountability
and he said so, and he's told all his people,
and I think I think his people want accountability. I
mean Telsi gabbartt and Cash Betel both have been targeted
by the deep state, by well in Telsey Gabbett's place,

(52:56):
allies of Hillary Clinton who wanted to get their revenge
on her and put her on the Quiet Sky's program.
You have so many people within the Trump or that
who were targeted like he was and are victims of
that deep state and are tougher and stronger as a result.
So they are all on the same page. They want accountability,

(53:19):
and it's not about you know, retribution and vendettas. It
is about a deterrence. You can't trust these people not
to do it again to the next Republican or MAGA president,
because the last time that Trump showed mercy, they just
doubled down. So never again, I think is the motto

(53:40):
of the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
We're talking to Miranda Devine, who was right on basically
everything over the years. Let me ask you a big
question here, Miranda. Let's pretend that Jeff Bezos called you.
Let's pretend that whoever is the Sulzburgers or whoever heck
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(54:03):
through their friends in the media, Pulitzer Prizes, and I
think as a result of awarding what has been proven
to be legitimately untrue scoops that were given the highest
order of award that can happen. They just refuse to
acknowledge that everything they wrote about Russia collusion was wrong.

(54:24):
I think if you look up Buck and I talked
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the day, The New York Times did a huge front
page story when they realized that he was a fabulous
that he had made everything up, and they said, you know,
we expect when we get things wrong, that we acknowledged
that we got things wrong. What should the New York
Times and the Washington Post do today? We all know
they screwed up for a decade. If you were asked

(54:46):
your best advice for those institutions based on the false
reporting that they did surrounding Russia.

Speaker 7 (54:52):
And more, that's a really good example to you. The
Jason Blair example. Back in the day, when they newspaper
institutions were regarded as being the sort of pinnacle of
journalism and everybody wanted to work there. Well, I mean,
I think they're too far gone. But you know, if
they wanted to try and clean house and make amends,

(55:17):
they ought to start by giving back those dirty Pulitzer Prizes.
I mean, the Pulitzer Foundation ought to be rescinding them.
But unfortunately, I think, like the Nobel Prize, it's lost
any cachet since they produced it by giving it to
undeserving people. The Nobel Peace Prize, you remember, went to

(55:38):
Barack Obama and he barely had his feet under the desk.
And you know, Donald Trump, who did the Abraham Accords,
it just was ignored. And the Pulitzers are the same.
So you start by giving back the Pulitzers, and then
you do a comprehensive investigation of what went wrong, and
you do front page culpers. Chelsey Gabott pointed out that

(56:03):
these organizations, you know, whether it be The Times, the Post,
the Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, they devoted
something like two thousand minutes to the Russia hoax, and
so far they've devoted two minutes to collectively to the
revelations of the last two weeks that show that this

(56:26):
was you know, a total hoax, a plan, a coup
to bring down Donald Trump, to sabotage his presidency, to
delegitimize his election victory, and to so discord with Russia.
And this was all Obama and Hillary Clinton, and they
sticked their you know, CIA director Brennan, FBI director Comy

(56:51):
and James clapperty NSA guys. So all of that should
be gone into with you know, seven pie line extravaganzas
that they devoted to the original hoax and it ought
to be. They should be in sackcloth and ashes, and
they should fire people. They should humiliate former editors who've

(57:14):
left for their so called leadership of that newsroom. I think,
I mean, it's the only way that they could restore
their reputations. But unfortunately, the way they've curated their audiences,
I think they would lose subscriptions. I think their readers
would go ballistic because they don't want to know the truth.

(57:35):
They just stick their fingers in their ears and continue
on blively. You know, the Rachel matter is their patron
saint of journalism.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
We're speaking of Moreenda Devine. Podforce one is her podcast,
and Marenda I had the distinct honor and pleasure of
getting to a second with you on Will Kine Show
a couple of days ago, and you were fabulous by
the way, just throw that out there. Appreciated getting to
hang out with you and with Will it's like a
great there's always a great time. But we were talking

(58:06):
about this grand jury component of the Russia collusion. I
guess now transparency effort that the administration is going through.
I know that it's early and we don't really know,
But what is your sense. Do you think that the
administration is preparing for the possibility, at least politically, of

(58:31):
indictments to come down against people like Brennan and Clapper
or is that just way too far afield in your mind.

Speaker 7 (58:38):
No, I absolutely think that's the case. I mean, they're
very smart prosecutors in the Department of Justice who are
looking at this being creative. Look how creative the Biden
Department of Justice was when they were coming up to
Donald Trump and various other of his allies. So there
are multiple calause on the book, be too many h

(59:02):
and they can be employed and deployed in various ways
to certainly bring charges against these coup lotters. And you know,
at first John Ratliff, CIA director kicks the ball rolling,
I think at the beginning of July with that review
of the you know, the bogus intelligence assessment, and he

(59:24):
was talking then about perjury charges. And then you know,
they've talked that the statute of limitations will have run
out twenty five years. But then that that you know,
certainly Brennan and some of the others may have also
allegedly purjured themselves when they gave testimony to some of
the Biden's impeachment inquiries and so which is more recent.

(59:49):
So that was then, and now I think the whole
conversation has moved on to looking at conspiracy charges. And
as on Ratcliffe said just on Sunday to Maria Bardaroma,
that conspiracy continued through to this day, through the Biden
administration and to this day. So I think, you know,

(01:00:14):
they have a lot of leeway there to look at
tying up a lot of people. And I'm hearing that
there's more than one grand jury that they're contemplating, and
paneling in Florida would be one maybe in d C.
Just ease of access for documents, and I think it's

(01:00:36):
going to be a big issue, And why wouldn't it be.
You know, you have the immense power of the federal
government Department of Justice. You now have Tulsey Gabbard who's
really relentless in pushing through any deep state obstruction she's
getting from these agencies to get documents and she's just

(01:01:00):
referring them straight to the DOJ. So I think it's
going to be fruitful for them. And as we've heard,
I mean James Clapperson himself. He's lawyering up. Jonathan Turley
says that, oh of DC is lawyering up, and the
lawyers are more than busy, and some of them are
having to lawyer up themselves. I think it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
And you know you're in a tough spot, Miranda, when
your lawyer wants to get his own lawyer. That's what I
always say. Well, that's a tough spot. Let me ask
you this quickly on the way out. I would say
the number one concern of our audience is we've heard
all this. It's a lot of you know, flapping of
the gums, so to speak, a lot of talk. It
has never actually led to anybody being charged with crimes,

(01:01:42):
not even talking about convictions. What do you think the
chances are that there are people indicted for crimes and
that there is in some way at least that or
an arrest for crimes. If you were setting odds more
or less likely than fifty percent, i'd say more.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
And in part that's because exactly as you say, we're
all cynical, we're all fed up. The boy has cried
wolf a million times and nothing's ever happened. And so
I think that that actually is an issue for Donald
Trump with the loyalty of his base, because they're sick

(01:02:21):
of promises, they're sick of being led down the garden path,
and nobody ever is brought to account. And therefore the
deep state, the bad guys, the wrongdoers, whatever you call them,
the coup lotters, they just get more and more emboldened.
And it's very dangerous fur the Republic. It goes beyond
Donald Trump. It goes to the very survival of this

(01:02:46):
country that you cannot have this two tier system of
justice where one side gets just killed for the most
minor issue and the other side gets away with murder literally.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Brandon, appreciate you being with us. Thank you as always.

Speaker 7 (01:03:03):
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