August 29, 2025 • 64 mins
Dems Suddenly Care About Crime
Next, the conversation shifts to crime reduction efforts in Washington, D.C., where Trump’s crackdown is earning praise from local business owners. Clay and Buck contrast this with Gavin Newsom’s sudden pivot to “law and order” policies in California, suggesting it’s a strategic move ahead of a likely 2028 presidential run. They also analyze Democratic strategy for 2028, speculating on potential candidates like Newsom, Wes Moore, and Gretchen Whitmer, and how identity politics and electability could shape the ticket.
The hour also covers Gallup polling showing record-high Republican satisfaction with the country’s direction, while Democrats report near-zero optimism—a stark partisan divide. Clay and Buck explore why Democrats refuse to credit Trump’s successes on the economy, border security, and crime reduction.
Media Spins The MN Church Shooting
The conversation pivots to the Minneapolis church shooting, where the hosts criticize mainstream media outlets like CNN and The New York Times for misrepresenting the shooter’s gender identity and downplaying the role of transgender issues in the tragedy.
Clay and Buck raise urgent questions about gender transition treatments for minors, exploring whether hormone therapy and puberty blockers could impact mental health and decision-making. They argue that these medical interventions, combined with untreated psychological conditions, may contribute to violent behavior—an issue they say the media refuses to address.
Alex Berenson
Special guest Alex Berenson joins to discuss the link between cannabis use and psychosis, citing research that high-potency THC can increase the risk of schizophrenia and violent behavior. Berenson warns that replacing alcohol with marijuana is not a public health win, arguing that cannabis poses greater long-term risks to brain health. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about SSRIs and antipsychotic medications, emphasizing their life-saving role for individuals with severe depression or psychosis and pushing back against political narratives demonizing these treatments.
Mary Katharine Ham
The hosts welcome Mary Katharine Ham, Fox News contributor and co-host of the “Normally” podcast, for a wide-ranging discussion. Topics include corporate disconnect from everyday Americans, the backlash against Cracker Barrel’s leadership, and the cultural significance of college football as a unifying force. They also tackle parental responsibility in preventing tragedies, stressing that parents must secure firearms and monitor mental health when warning signs are present—especially in light of recent shootings. Ham and the hosts slam media outlets for prioritizing ideology over facts, particularly in coverage of cases involving transgender shooters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clay. Have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout, Buck, it does, but it's actually
a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name
is BRICKS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and
South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's an understatement. Bricks is a group of emerging
economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there. Can he give us some
inside intel? Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact,
a major theme at the summit is how Bricks Nations
aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.
These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Thank you, Philip. Protect the value of your savings account,
your four oh one k r ira, all of them,
by purchasing gold and placing it into those accounts and
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(01:38):
informed decision. One more time. Text my name Buck to
ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. All right, welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck. We've got some good
news we're talked to you about with Trump on the economy
and also Republicans are just very happy with the direction
of the country. To Clay's point, what is the bad
thing that we're supposed to be upset that Trump is
(01:59):
doing right now? Trying to lower crime in Washington, DC,
our nation's capital, which has been plagued by just unacceptable
and really terrible crime for a very long time. Let's
check in on that, shall we. Let's take a look
at this first off, here is and we'll credit journalist
Nicholas Balassi for this. Business owners and managers in Washington,
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d C. The people that are actually dealing with this
and around this. You always want to go to the source.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Here's what they're saying about the situation, play six. It
was a little dicey at times, especially at later times
in the hour. I would see fights break out whenever
I'm just walking home. But now it's a lot more quiet.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
What do you think about that as scurity?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What's your reaction to it? You think it's been good
for this? Yeah, I'm welcome and I think it's a
great idea.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I have noticed that they have been cleaning some of
the graffiti off in some of the areas, like on
the highways and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Do you feel safer now than before now? And do
you have any experience with safety being an issue before?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
It's like a lot of light car loss, stealing, a
lot like gun problem, or a lot of profit and a
lot of life trucks and gun So now it's much better.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now it's much better. It's quiet. They're clinic graffiti, all
these things you're hearing, You're going, who hears this clay
and says what a monster Trump is. They're cleaning up
graffiti and making sure people don't get shot, and businesses
feel like their customers don't have to worry about being
robbed outside them. Monstrous stuff from Trump. Well, yesterday I
shared the AP data.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Eighty one percent of Americans say that violent crime in
big cities is a major problem. The eighteen percent of
Americans say it's a minor problem in big cities. One
percent say it's not a problem. So you have allowed
Trump Democrats have to take an issue that ninety nine
percent of people agree with him on, and you've taken
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the other side. Now, there's probably what twenty percent of
the Democrat base that if President Trump waived a magic
wand then all violent crime ceased to exist in the country,
they would still say, oh, this is exactly what Hitler
would do, because their brain is so broken that they
lack the ability to give any credit to Trump at all.
(04:22):
But this is where and I just come back to
it again and again. This is where the team that
Trump has put in place for two point zero. Frankly,
it is orders of magnitude better than one point zero.
There's very few things I can even point to and
say they're not executing at a phenomenally high level. In fact, Buck,
my biggest concern is that Trump is doing so much
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in this first year that I don't even know what
he's going to do in years two, three, and four.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, these moving I think the continuation of it, right,
I mean the border, it's it's you turn into maintenance
mode a little bit on some of this with the border.
The deportation numbers, I think I saw it was two
hundred thousand so far this year, So those numbers are
ramping up. We want to see a lot more of that,
but those numbers are getting stronger and stronger with him.
They have to build the infrastructure, and they have to
(05:13):
build the deportation infrastructure. While you have all these lib
activist judges that are just deciding they run US immigration policy.
They're actually the president. They can shut things down, they
can turn planes around in mid air if they say so.
So they're they're working against that clear opposition but Clay,
I never thought that I would say this, Kamala Harris
(05:36):
may be the template of Democrat strategy on some of
these issues going forward. Now let me explain. You wouldn't
usually think of Kamala Harris as a tactician, as the
you know, the second coming of Machiavelli in politics. But
you will recall Clay at one point when she was
running against Donald Trump in her short and ill fated campaign,
(05:58):
she came up with this incredible idea, and the idea
was no tax on tips. And she came forward and
she said, hey, guys, I have this great idea, no
tax on tips. And everyone kind of looked at her,
except for the Democrats who were told to clap in
the audience and said, right, you mean the thing that
Trump has been saying and pushing for for months and
(06:19):
months and months, and now this is your idea. I
bring it up because Gavin Newsom is taking a page
from the Kamala book, taking a page from the Trump book.
Gavin Newsom is surging law enforcement in his home state
to address crime issues. Plus pray sorry play clip.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
To effort that will now take shape on border division.
Down in San Diego. We're going to advance this effort
down in LA to other parts of the Central Valley,
not just limited to Bakersfield, in partnership with Mayorgo there
in San Bernardino, and we're going to expand this operation
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in a collaborative that continues to include the cities and
counties are partners in sheriff's office and local law enforcement agencies.
We continue as well to work with the federal partners.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wait a second. Gavin Newsom talking about law enforcement surge
to deal with crime. He came up with that idea
on his own. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I do think it's emblematic of what Gavin Newsom's entire
presidential campaign is going to be. He is shameless. He
knows that there is very little consequence for changing positions.
The media has his back if he's going to be
the Democrat nominee. I think that Gavin Newsom is going
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to try to just occupy the middle by arguing for
things that he's actually not done during his whole tenure
as the governor of California. And I think he knows
that he'll get cover from the media and he'll run
like Joe Biden did, and then he'll get into office
and he'll run super left wing. I think that that
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is the way that they think they can get back
to power. And so if you look at the gambling
markets Gavin Newsom, you and I might think, and I
think we do, and most of you out there might
agree with us, that he has embarrassed himself in the
way that he has been behaving over the past several
weeks shamelessness, dishonesty. The markets don't agree with us. They
(08:37):
are saying Gavin Newsom has drastically taken early lead. And
it's very early, but some of you are going to say, well,
why does this matter? A lot of big donors get
behind these presidential campaigns super early. And I am telling
you Gavin Newsom's going to announce for president probably January
twenty twenty seven, and we're officially going to be a go.
(09:00):
And I think you have to make Gavin Newsom a
substantial favorite to be the nominee right now. I don't
think he has any foundation. I don't think he has
any core value. I think he is, even for a politician,
uniquely without a spine.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Do you want me to do you want me to
let you out on everything? You're wrong on everything? Buck.
That's benefit. Yeah, Well, do you want me to let
you out of your Kamala bet with whatever they call
it embedting, where I'll give you like a you'll pay
a minor penalty, You'll get me an appetizer instead of
the full steak Clay I said she would run. I
still know she's gonna run. Oh, I know, Okay, all right,
you're still you're sticking with it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Huh you're sticking Well, I just I don't buy that Kamala.
And again this goes into the psychology of why some
people run. I don't buy that Kamala has anything else
that she loves, meaning, how is she going to occupy
that time?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
She's still only sixty one? Oh, I know, I know
you're I just I'm trying to be neighborly. You want
to be a good friend here, you know, a good
co host, and offer you an out because I think
we both think Gavin Newsom is in the number one
slot right now to be the next Democrat nominee. Gavin
Newsom certainly thinks so. However, another name that you and
I have bandied about here as a possibility, certainly I
(10:13):
think as a VP possibility, just because of the name
recognition issue, a name recognition issue, but maybe the top
of the ticket Governor Wes Moore of Maryland. And here's
what he is saying. Not a big surprise given what's
going on here about federal support in fighting crime. Play three.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Baltimore still ranks third in the nation in violent crime
rate per capita in the nation. That you would welcome
in the president of United States help if crime in Maryland.
I'm onlimited time and I want to give you a
chance to dry. I would absolutely federal support. Apparently there
we go. You would welcome to federal support. That's wonderful
to hear.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I would absolutely welcome federal support. Hear that.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
But I also know what federal support is going to
be necessary and required. It's the reason that I've said
we would love to have additional support for license plate readers,
things that we know can actually stop crimes as they
are happening and making sure that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
People are brought to justice. Can I just point this,
This is exactly that was our friend Will came by
the way in this Fox News show, and good good
on Will for getting the answer out here. Notice Wes Moore,
who wants to be president. I think we all know
this wants to run and wants to be president and
has a very you know, I think he's West Point,
he's west Point growd. I know he's a veteran. I
(11:25):
think he went to West Point, you know, played football.
Like there's a lot about this guy that that fixes
some of the problems Democrats have on the brand side, right,
So tell me, guys if he went to West Point
or not. I don't want to mess up his bio.
I know he was a football player. I know he's
a veteran. So he's a black guy, veteran football player,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Comes he went to Valley Forge Military, which is a sorry,
there we go. But then he went to Johns hop
according to the bio, Johns Hopkins, and then got a
masters from Oxford, but was in the eighty second Airborne.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I knew he was a veteran, and I knew
he'd been a football player. I wasn't sure about the
military college, but thank you for that or you know,
military undergrad program. So but anyway, the point is he's
got to buy who's got the background to be a
formidable candidate. And notice what he's saying, Clay, this is
what I've said along is so crazy about the Democrats.
It shouldn't be Trump. Why are you trying to stop
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the murders? If they were smart, what they would be
saying is, oh, no, we agree, we should definitely address
this problem in DC. Here's though, the way that we
think it should go. And then you criticize, you know, ah,
well Trump with the National Guardian. What they're saying is
there's no problem, and the whole country has said, you
guys are insane. There's clearly a problem. So Wes Moore
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has pivoted into a defensible position. I think in anticipation
of what this guy's brand building exercise is going to
be as he runs for president. Just like look at
Gavin Newsom surging law enforce the smart Democrats see the
handwriting on the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
If if I were betting right now, I would say
they go Gavin Newsom president, Wesmore VP, because that gives
them the I think that they're going to be a
little bit reticent. The other one that I would say
is Gretchen Witmer is VP. But I think the Democrats
are actually going to be a little bit reticent to
try to go female again.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think they are, and I think it's because they
realize abortion is not going to win the presidency for them.
It's not going to happen. And they thought it would.
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's also interesting women supported Joe Biden more than they
did Hillary and Kamala. And I haven't heard anybody else
really talk about this, but everybody says, oh, it's misogyny,
it's misogyny, men won't vote for women, things like that.
I actually think that there are a lot of women
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that do not find Hillary or Kamala to be actually
very likable and are more likely to vote for a
male Democrat candidate than they are a female Democrat candidate.
And I never hear anybody talk about that. It's always
like men or to blame when women don't win men
or to blame men or to blame. But Trump did
better against Hillary and against Kamala for women than he
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did against Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's just kind of interesting, right you. I just want
to say this, You doing a podcast where you men's
blame feminism to feminists would honestly be it would It
would be really good. You know, the first amendment in
Boobs Guy explaining feminism to the feminists. Here's my ladies,
you voted for men instead of women.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We should just call it clay blame, where I just
tell women what they need to hear. I think it
would actually do really really well. Everybody miserable, including my wife,
but it would do very very well.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, Look, President Trump wants to see this country emerge
as the leader. It's critical, the leader in artificial intelligence,
and that's where we were. But now China, because of Biden,
because of lost years, has gotten right up next to us,
and we need to be the leader in AI. This
is absolutely critical for our military, for our economy, for
world leadership going forward. Now President Trump sees this crucial
(15:11):
technological battle for what it is, and he's taking big steps.
A trillion dollar plus investment that's drowng in multiple partners
thanks to this Trump administration. Now I call this the
Manhattan Project too, to take back our lead in the
AI arms race and to engage a handful of US
firms that are going to get big contracts in the
(15:31):
billions of dollars. So this could trigger an investment boom
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Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get
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Speaker 2 (16:20):
We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as
we are rolling into Labor Day weekend. I know many
of you either already on the roads or potentially going
to be traveling. Worth mentioning that we are at a
four year low in gas prices, you have to go
all the way back to I believe twenty twenty one,
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and still the Democrats are not driving on the interstate
era or if they were, they were wearing masks in
their cars by themselves to win the price of gas.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Was this affordable.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So if you factor in inflation as well, which unfortunately
Joe Biden brought us, it's even better because as the
average cost of goods have gone up substantially, yet gas
is cheaper now than at any point in the next
four years. And this is primarily going to be a
driving weekend for a lot of people out there. I
know people also flying. I'm going to be driving a
decent distance and so many of you are as well,
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So just a good sign there. And as we move
into winter, I would expect for prices to come down again,
as usually you see a bit of a surge in
gas prices during the summer because so many people are traveling.
Cracker Barrel, by the way, is in full on retreat.
We may have some fun with that before all is
said and done, but I do think it's worth us
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continuing to share with you some of the basic lies
that are being shared with so many people out there
relating to what happened in Minneapolis. Most places still not
really addressing the fact that this was a trans terrorist
that took these lives of these innocent kids in Minneapolis,
and in fact, they're not even being honest about the
(18:02):
gender of the person who did this. This was a
man pretending to be a woman. CNN is worried about
misgendering the shooter such that they keep referring, and so
does New York Times, so does the Washington Post. They
keep referring to this shooter as a her. This is
what it sounds like. They won't even tell you who
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this person was in the context of their own gender,
or that the transidentity might have been involved. Here is
cut eleven. What you heard on CNN. This is Andrew McCabe.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
Listen for the mother to not even return to the
state to answer law enforcement questions to try to provide
some assistance.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
I'm sure she's grieving for her daughter, but this is, Yeah,
it's a really perverse and strange element in this story.
It's inexplicable to me at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, you can hear a pause there.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Inexplicable, Yeah, he says They are doing this buck on
MSNBC New York Times. They are refusing to say this
was a boy. They are claiming that it's a girl.
They're saying that these parents have lost a daughter, meaning
the killer. They are worried about misgendering, and as a result,
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they aren't even talking about the trans element here.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I think the parent discussion should be a part of this.
Because they changed the gender of this kid at seventeen
years old, I think we should be talking in earnest
how many different drugs was this kid on, How screwed
up did that potentially make the mental capacity of the kid,
How much did it exacerbate what is likely mental illness
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already to be suddenly flooding the body with hormones. Pluck,
Here's something I was thinking about last night as I
was doing some prep when I got back home late
last night. And I know we've touched on it a
little bit, but I fel feel like it's almost verboten
to even discuss what is the health impact long term
going to be for these trans people as they enter
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into their fifties, their sixties and seventies and start to
age and have real health problems as most people do
as they age. When you're talking about people with open
wounds that are constantly flooding their body with hormones, is
there any way these people are going to have remotely
normal life spans. It's like you're not allowed to discuss it.
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But some of these people are so young when they
got this done that we haven't really dealt with. Hey,
what happens when you're sixty five and you had trans surgery.
These people are going to die decades younger and earlier
than they otherwise would have. And with the ones that
they're starting at thirteen and fourteen, I mean, their bodies
are never going to fully develop, Their bones are not
(20:52):
going to helop. I just get angrier the more I
think about this.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it's horrible what has gone on. And part of
the problem is that a lot of damage has already
been done, and so the people that are involved in
that damage are very unlikely to ever admit what has
gone on. Right, Yeah, I mean on the on the
medical side of things, and the fact that you honestly
I hadn't heard that sound bit yet. The fact that
(21:17):
this is being done where you have people saying that
a daughter, that they that the parents of the shooter
lost a daughter. This is crazy, tough, Yes, this is crazy.
This is not acceptable. This is not something we go
along with. It was a crazy guy who killed children
and tried to kill a whole lot more. Remember this individual, Uh,
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this this mass shooter. It's it's a horrible tragedy that
he killed an eight year old, and I believe an
eight year old and a ten year old at prayer
in a church or walking into a church to pray.
It could this person with the guns that he had
there and the fact that there was an undefended soft target,
it could have been so much worse in terms of
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the casualties. And people were hit and they thankfully survived
quick action by the first responders and by emergency rooms
in the area to save lives. But Clay, that anyone
would take even a second to worry about the courtesy
of the preferred pronouns of this maniac is itself moniacal.
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It is absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And remember this is the former acting director of the FBI,
So you would think of anyone out there, if you
are an investigator, you would think that you would want
to stick to the facts way more than anybody else.
And the facts are this was a boy trying to
identify as a girl. The way that he hesitated there
and the fact that he actually pointed out that the
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mom is not cooperating with authorities is all very strange
because what it would suggest is that maybe she knew
that her son was I don't see how she could
not knew that her son was a potential threat to everyone.
And so far she is not talking because she is
afraid that she might get charged in relationship to the shooting,
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because somehow this crazy person had access to guns. And
let me just reiterate this all the time. You can
strongly believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are
a parent, also understand that your individual kid may not
need to be in possession of a gun. And I
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don't mean that because you're worried about them shooting up
other places or killing other people. I mean your kid,
if they have mental illness, or they have depression, or
they have some form of psychoactive issue that you are
aware of as a parent, they shouldn't be around firearms
Like this has nothing to do. I get so fired
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up about this because I've got three boys.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just don't believe that in any of these mass
shooting situations there weren't tons of clues that these parents
saw and they just pretended that it wasn't there, and
they let their kids remain in possession or in ownership
of firearms. Right, And so I look at this, this
mom is hiding. It sounds like from investigators not participating
(24:20):
in the investigation. I think it's probably going to come
out that she knew her son was a threat both
to himself and to others, and she just pretended it
was going to go away. I think that's what's going
to come out. Also, it's not going to surprise you.
But I wanted to play this. The WNBA coach in Minneapolis,
she has decided to weigh in and she says, hey,
(24:42):
we can't tell kids anything positive because we don't care
about them. This is woke WNBA nonsense. But I wanted
to play it for you too. This is what you
might be hearing if you were watching CNN or MSNBC.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
It's such an indictment of our society and our lack
of regard for life. There are things that we can
do about it, and we know, but for some reason,
as Americans, we value something different. It's sickening, sad for
the kids, Sad for the kids to go up like
the sad for kids, a lot for the door and
not know what's going to happen. Hearts go out to
(25:15):
obviously the I've lost kids that are hurt, the teachers
that have to go through this, families that drop their
kid office school and some kick hearts hearts go out
to them. The sad thing is they can't sit here
and tell them that help is on the way because
we're not going to do a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
About okay, and she's not talking about doing a damn
thing about it, as in investigate what's going on with
trans she means she wants all your guns taken away.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And let's you know, they always want to talk about
mental health. Should should? Should being trans bar you from
owning a buying and owning a firearm. I mean the
left would absolutely freak out about that. But are we
going to now? They want mental health checks, they want
this is why again, Yes, you can hear the conversation
with Trey. I was shocked at mister Gowdy's uh. I
(25:58):
thought he misspoke on which is how we started that
interview with me giving him an opportunity to say, upon reflection,
because you do live radio, you do live TV, you're
not perfect. So I thought he would address it and
take back some of what he said. He did not
at all, not at all. He's like, we need a
new law, we need a new law that's going to
stop people from and I say Okay, what's that law
going to be as well? If someone's adjudicated mentally okay, well,
(26:21):
first of all, a lot of places already have something
on you know that's similar. The problem is adjudicating somebody
mentally deficient. The problem is figuring you or you know,
mentally incompetent to own but basically a danger to themselves
and others. What do you think the system that we
have is going to catch everybody that's crazy? Good luck
with that one. And what are the what are the
implications the civil rights and First Amendment and other implications
(26:43):
of Oh, we're deciding that you're crazy, so we're taking
away your right. Everybody knows I'm saying this, and a
lot of you are already nodding your heads. Oh, you
mean they're going to try to take guns from veterans
who have PTSD, right, because that's going to happen in
blue states. You mean they're going to try to take
guns from people, You know that a whole range of things.
It'll be used as a tool, weaponized immediately and right away.
(27:04):
And so what's the law And to the point being
made here by was the w he said was a
w NB W NBA head coach. Yeah, head coach. Okay,
they say we know what to do. Say what it is? Yeah,
if the whole the whole point here is that people
get to point at their political adversaries and say they're
the bad people because they won't do the good thing.
(27:25):
What's the good thing? What's the thing that we'll say.
You know, yesterday with Trey, I even said, look, we're
talking about, uh, putting more armed guards at schools. We're
talking about maybe having a program that specifically puts veterans
who have firearms training to protect our kids, to protect
our houses of worship, a lot of places of armed
security all of the country. Why not protect our kids.
That's something, and that's something that might actually work passing
(27:49):
a law that that that what that says, if you're
the most insane, vile lunatic on the planet, you can't
get a gun. Well, yeah, we got to find out
who the insane, vile lunatic is before they shoot everybody.
And that's the part of this that they don't even address.
They don't even talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just every time this happens. I do not see
this as political. Every single public and private school in
America should have security guards armed they're twenty you know,
every hour that the kids are there. I don't understand
how this isn't standard operating procedure.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I've said it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I always think about it in the context of would
I want this for my kids? And if the answer
is what I want it for my kids, almost without exception,
my answer for all of you is going to be
I want it for your kids and grandkids too. My
kids public and private school have had armed security. I
don't understand why the immediate response from this when we
(28:44):
look at what we spend and waste dollars on, you
ran through the math. Basically, I mean, this is ten
billion dollars a year nationwide that we could put in
place and say, let's do it. When I look at
the way that we waste money protecting kids' lives at school,
young innocent kids, and letting every bad guy out there know, hey,
(29:09):
there's arms security at this school. Because what did we
see with Covenant, These these evil people are doing stakeouts
of the schools to see whether or not they're secure,
and if they are, maybe it makes them change their
minds just a little bit. The Bridges is a good
example this. I was talking about this with my wife
the other day. You know, they put fences basically higher
(29:31):
up on bridges to try to limit suicides, and people
drastically do not commit suicide at the same level when
they just have to climb up a little bit more
over the top of a fence or a secure area.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Fences as a security system make it harder slow people down.
By the way, true with the border as well. Yes,
I've seen at the border people scaling the fence, but
you know what you see them. It slows them down
and then you can arrest them on the other side.
It's not the people go. If you have a ten
foot fence, I'll have an eleven foot ladder. Guess who's
waiting for you on the other side of that fence,
if it's well constructed and it's double layer and there's
(30:08):
sensors in place. Border patrol. Yes, all security measures are
imperfect on their own, but that doesn't mean they're not useful.
And it's certainly useful. I would even advocate for a
program that says, look, why does conceal carry work so well?
Clay and a total credit to more guns, less crime.
John Lott on this. What you find out is that
(30:30):
it's not that everyone has to conceal carry. It's that
in places where there is concealed carry, the bad guy
has to think somebody here might have a gun, and
that changes the calculation. Sometimes they do and they go
for it anyway, and then there's a good guy with
a gun there. But in the school system, if you
even just had let's say, if a state said, you
know what, we're going to have a program, some uniform,
(30:51):
some out of you know, some open carry, some concealed carry,
changes the calculation for school shooters inherently, and there's no
loss of attendant rights. There's no I'm going to harass
people who are good people who haven't done anything like
That's the part of it that also has to be
taken into account.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I wish if we were going to have a conversation
nationwide about that's the one we'd go to. It's the
one that I try to push every single time any
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Speaker 2 (32:20):
So welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Our
friend Alex Berenson, formerly of The New York Times write
about almost everything on COVID, Remember back when that mattered.
Now it's just like everybody wants to pretend COVID never existed,
and there were never restrictions, and they never said, hey,
go sit in circles in public parks. They never said, hey,
(32:40):
take your put your mask on to walk to a restaurant,
then you can take your mask off as soon as
you sit down, that none of this absurdity. Schools weren't
shut down all these things. I thought about it this
morning because I'm still angry about it. When I took
my kids, we had a doctor's appointment, and you had
to wear a mask to go to a kid's pediatric
appointment for years in much of the country. But Alex,
(33:02):
we want to talk with you now about the school
shooting and uh in Minneapolis. We have been talking about
this quite a lot, and we're going to get into
a variety of different angles that you think are significant.
But let's start here. How much attention do you think
there should be. You're a parent, Buck is now a parent, Obviously,
I've got three kids. On the idea of minors being
(33:25):
given drugs relating to their gender in the wake of
the school shooting in Nashville and the school shooting in Minneapolis,
is it reasonable to say, hey, let's look at what
we're giving these minor kids.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Is it having an impact in their decision making?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yes? I mean, I think if you frame it that way,
the answer is yes. And you know that's not to
say that you know, most trainings, kids or kids getting
you know or you know or even young adults getting
transformones or in any way violence or dangerous. But uh,
you know this has now happened a number of times,
and I think it you know it it raises this
(34:04):
bigger question, right, like these are very powerful drugs, you know,
sex hormones are you know they're they're they're very powerful.
Uh yeah, even though they're naturally occurring, that doesn't mean
they're not powerful and are when you frame it us,
are they affecting kids decision making? That's a that's a
perfectly reasonable question.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
To ask, now, Alex, I know you are very vocal
about your what you see as a connection between uh
psychosis from marijuana slash THHC, right, the psychoactive drug that
that is what people are smoking the weed for, uh
and in general just the psychosis of it. But you
(34:43):
also think that the walk me through here what you
believe because I've seen you on on Twitter talking about
this or rather writing about this. Do you think there's
a link between the psychosis that has has been a
huge factor obviously in some of these horrific shootings and marijuana.
Want to use talk us through that?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Sure, So start with this cannabis. And you know, listen,
I wrote a book right in twenty nineteen called Tell
Your Children that went into this connection in depth. And
so although I'm not an MD or a PhD, I
believe that I am qualified to talk about this in
a serious way. And I've read, you know, basically all
(35:22):
the literature that I can find on it, and the
evidence has really only gotten stronger since Tell Your Churn
came out, which was six years ago. There's been more
studies done. So look cannabis, you know, slash THC because
as you said, TC is the active ingredient in cannabis,
is the drug in cannabis that makes people high, can
cause and worsen psychotic episodes in people. There's there's no
(35:46):
question about that. I think even the cannabis lobby would
acknowledge that, and there is now, I would say, very
good evidence that in some people, especially if you start
using cannabis at a young age, and especially if you
use a lot of it, and especially if you use
high potency cannabis, and unfortunately, all those three things are
all connected. If you're doing that, you increase your risk
(36:08):
of developing schizophrenia, and schizophrenia is essentially a permanent psychotic condition. Right,
So people with schizophrenia will become psychotic. They'll maybe manage
their psychosis with drugs, drugs called antipsychotics, they may get
a little bit better, but then they're likely to become
psychotic again. They'll relax sor The definition of schizophrenia is
(36:31):
that it's a psychotic condition that's not drug related. It's
not related to dementia, it's not related to anything else,
and it just comes and goes, and it's a really
terrible illness. Okay, about one in one and fifty people
have this illness, and for the most part, they don't
get married, they don't work, they don't have kids. They
die about twenty years younger than other people on average,
(36:54):
because it's you really can't function very well in society
with schizophrenia. The other thing about schizophrenia, about psychiasis, is
that people who have it are much more likely to
become violence. There's no question about that. They're also more
likely to be the victims of violence. So let's be
clear about that too. But you know, when the classic line,
(37:17):
the line that I use and tell your children is
when you see somebody if you're just a you know,
an ordinary person. You're on the subway platform in New
York City, you see somebody talking to himself who clearly
hasn't showered or you know, bathed, who might be homeless
at the other end of the platform or near you.
You walk over to the other end of the platform.
If you intuitively know that psychosis is dangerous, human beings
(37:40):
know this. They know that people who are disconnected with
reality and be dangerous to them. And that's particularly true
when the psychosis has a paranoia flavor. So if I
become mentally ill and I'm convinced that you are out
to get me, I might latch out and hurt you.
And that might be if you're a stranger, it might
be if you're my child, it might be if you're
(38:00):
you know, a police officer. Right, So, once I become
convinced that you're a risk to me, I will lash
out against you. And this is a real connection. I
don't think anybody serious in the psychiatric community, in the
medical community without any of those things. So that I've
just told you so, the question then becomes in encouraging people,
(38:21):
or allowing people, or allowing an industry to spring up
that encourages the use of cannabis and THFC, which is
a known psychomametic drug. Are we essentially facilitating or encouraging.
Encouraging is the wrong word, but is it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Like let me cut let me cut you off your
for a sex result, let me cut you off for
a sack? Alex, Because I think this is important. I
mentioned that we're all parents. I think a lot of
people around our age, and we're all around the same
age actually bought into the idea that we'd that THHC
is in some way healthier to use and less.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Damaging than alcohol.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And if you look, if you look at the data
right now, and I think this is important, alcohol use
among young people is hitting record lows. They are not
in any way using alcohol like past generations have. Also,
nobody young, by and large smokes right like nicotine and
the idea that you would smoke a pack of day.
The use of cigarettes has collapsed among the young, but
(39:26):
use of THC, use of weed related products has surged,
and the idea has been Alex that this is healthier
and better for kids, better for young people young adults.
What you're telling us is that the evidence is actually
that we're trading less dangerous objects for more dangerous ones
based on some of the data that you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
So if more complicated even than what you just said.
And here's why alcohol use is down, okay, But it
is not clear that people who use cannabis use less alcohol.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
People use drugs tend to use drugs, okay. So what
you get is sort of an additive effect where people
are using alcohol and cannabis amb So.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
There's not as much of a substitution as my question
implied based on what the data you see shows.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That's right. There are some people who are just using
less drugs right, just the way their kids, you know,
kids like people I would say teens and young adults.
They have sex less. Some of them don't drive, which
just seems absolutely crazy to me. They seem perfectly content,
a lot of them to sit at home and essentially
do nothing. And those are not the And some of
(40:37):
those people are using cannabis, but some are not. But
there's definitely a group that is using cannabis and other drugs,
even including psychedelics, in addition to alcohol. So what I
would also say is it's not people say to me,
how can you say cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol?
Nobody over ever odd on cannabis on THC, which isn't
quite true. People can od on it, mostly they don't
(40:57):
die on it. And here's the answer to that, true
answer to that cannabis is less physically dangerous than alcohol.
No one could seriously disagree with that. If you drink
too much alcohol, your liver can stop and you'll die.
All right, that is not very likely. I mean, it's
not going to happen if you use cannabis. But cannabis
is more dangerous to your brain than alcohol. People don't
(41:18):
get psychotic except in very very rare times or in
very late stage alcoholism from using alcohol. They do get psychotic,
paranoid and psychotic all the time when they use cannabis. Okay,
it's almost a feature of the drug. And so so
those are people are more dangerous to the people around
(41:41):
them in general than somebody who's using alcohol.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And yes, sorry, no I want to ask you finish
your thought. If something else, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
So the question is, like, as a society, we're sort
of trading. We're trading a bar fight for like a
mass stabbing or a mass shooting. Right, maybe we're training
ten bar fights or one hundred bar fights for a
mass shooting. But that is a real trade that we're making.
This idea that that somehow substituting cannabis for alcohol is
going to be a good for public health doesn't look
(42:14):
like it's the case at all. And by the way,
people one last thing on this idea that when people
are high and they drive, they don't speed. It's not true.
This idea that people who use cannabis have a better
mental health is one hundred percent not true. In addition
to this, this what I'm talking about with psychosis based.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So Alex, I hate, I hate, we I hate we do.
Just to be clear, so I'm you know, everything you're
saying here it jives with what I think and that
I want to ask you something else that's that's related.
But because when these things happen, you have a lot
of people that will say, oh, you know, and I'm
seeing this on the right particular, which why I want
to talk about it. They go, oh, it's they start
blending SSRRIS and this. I think there's a lot of
(42:54):
misinformation or a lot of people need to understand. Like
I mean, I just say this. I knew someone very
well manys Ago, who is bipolar and I knew this
person someone, you know, it was a woman who I
was dating on meds, totally normal, doing great, very successful
life off meds cannot function and so I just think that,
you know, people, there's this thing of like SSRI zombies
(43:17):
are running in and killing people. The right needs to
understand that actually, in the mental health world, there are
people who are their lives are saved by being on
these drugs. Actually, and a lot of veterans who deal
with PTSD whom I know, have gotten tremendous benefit from SSRI.
So can you speak to this a little bit because
I think people just are like everybody on SSRI should
(43:39):
get off. I'm like, that is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It's a terrible So I don't understand. I hate for SSRIs. Okay, look,
I think SSRIs are overrated as drugs, and most people
who have mild depression are going to recover from that
depression on their own, whether or not they take an SSRI.
But there are some people out there who have really
severe depression and who really can't function very well without
(44:02):
an SSRI. And by the way, if you have psychosis,
there are drugs called antipsychotics, and those drugs. Those are
difficult drugs for people. They cause a lot of weight gain,
they cause movement disorders in some people. But if you
if you have psychosis, you need anti psychotic like those
drugs help people. And and I think there's a really
(44:23):
important distinction to make that gets lost between essentially recreational drugs,
drugs of abuse and SSRIs and antipsychotics, and and so
people will say when I say this, like, people are like,
he he's a simp for pharma. And I say to them, like,
do you know who I am?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah? Me, Well, this is why this is why I
wanted you to talk about it, Alex, because I when
I try to point out reality people too, I'm like,
no one's like sitting around just popping lots of prozac
because it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
That's exactly right. So, so the distinction isn't between a
drug you prescribe and a drug that's not prescribed. The
distinction is between drugs that get you high and drugs
that don't get you high. So what gets you high.
Stimulants get you high. So that's like an ADHD drug
adderall that's amphetamine. Those drugs get people high. Benzos anti
anxiety drugs, people take to get high. Nobody takes prozec
(45:12):
to get high. Nobody takes Vyprexa, which is an antipsychotic,
to get high. Those drugs have no street value because
they don't get you high.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
And the people who need them really really need them
in many cases.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
One right, and so again, like, are sthry is potentially
over prescribed? Sure, I'll tell you something right now. Right now,
most fsrized are off patent okay, prose off patent lexipro
off patent okay. That means that the companies don't make
any money basically from them, and they're still being prescribed.
Why because there's some people out there who need them.
(45:47):
And you're totally right to make that point. And again
I'm not like, I agree with you. I don't understand
why the right has suddenly gotten fixated.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
On SSRs yris and they're wrong. Honestly, a lot of
the people that are doing this are just and they
don't know what they're talking about. And I'll just say
it out loud because I know it's true.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
All right, let me ask you this, Alex as we
go to break, because I do think so many people
listen and their moms and dads, their grandma and grandpas.
What would you want them to tell their kids who
are fifteen or sixteen years old and have bought into
this idea that you can use THCHC products as much
(46:24):
as you want and there's nothing to be concerned about
with that. In thirty seconds, what would you want them
to know?
Speaker 4 (46:31):
In thirty seconds? And then and then I hope you
give me one final segment. But in thirty seconds, what
I'd say to you is, it's not just about TC,
and it's not just about alcohol. There's no free lunch. Okay.
A drug that gets you high that alters your relationships
to the world, you're gonna pay a price for it,
and it may be a small person and may be
a price that you're willing to pay to have that
(46:53):
up or that intoxication in the moment. But don't make
the mistake of thinking cannabis and TC is medicine. Don't
think that if you're you know, popping your adderall to
stay up all night and you want to feel good
like that, there's not a price to be paid. These
dugs are addictive. They change your brain chemistry, and you
will pay, and you may be able to tolerate that price,
(47:14):
but it is coming. That's what I would say to that.
That's what okay, kids.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
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Speaker 1 (48:33):
Alex you want, We're just gonna give you the floor
for a second. You had more on this one. You're
en fuego. Go ahead, so listen. Here's what I want
to say. The President of the United States right now
has a very important decision that he's that he's trying
to make about whether or not cannabis should be reschedulized,
rescheduled as a as a less dangerous drug under DEA rules.
(48:55):
And so if he does that, Okay, by the way,
it's currently called Schedule one. But that doesn't affect your
ability in a legalized state to buy it. It doesn't
mean anybody is arrested for possessing it.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Or using it. All that stuff is under the current situation, Okay.
But the cannabis industry desperately wants them to reschedulize because
it will be a huge boost to their profits, okay.
And that will mean more pop ads, it will mean
more dispensaries, it will mean more kids and young people
and young adults smoking a lot. This is what they want,
(49:30):
and they don't want it because it's gonna change public
health or get it. Or they don't want it because
it's gonna get you know, kids out of jail. Because
it doesn't change any laws. It just will make their lives.
We do and you me, Laura Ingram. We don't have
money in this, Okay. We are talking about this because
we think it's important for the health of kids and
(49:50):
young adults. And I know it's a tough choice, but
the President should go with his gut. I know that
he's concerned about stuff and confused. I know you know
he's seen its effects on people. And he should keep
cannabis as a schedule warm drug. And he should listen
to people who don't have money.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Alex, parents and everybody. Alex, thanks for being here, guys,
our three coming up stick around all right, welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck. Mary Catherine Ham joins
us now. She is a Fox News contributor and she
also has a podcast of the Play in Buck Network
normally with Carol Markowitz. Our dear friend, Carol mark Witz. Ms.
(50:33):
Catherine Ham. Great to have you on the program. I
think we could maybe jump into this. Are you with
Clay that if somebody likes I grew up in Manhattan
where college football wasn't really a thing. Are you with
Clay that if someone likes college football, you inherently trust
and probably just like them a little bit more like
from go they're in a good place with you.
Speaker 11 (50:54):
Yeah, like you reference normally, and that's like my normy meter.
If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get
like a free pass to the normy lane in my mind,
and you have to prove otherwise with your weirdness at
some point.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's totally true. We just speak a common language. Even
though Mary Catherine Ham is a Georgia Bulldog fan and
is now getting to celebrate the fact that her team
is incredibly good and my team hopefully is on the
comeback trail a little bit with the University of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I do think it's important.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
We were talking about this with Cracker Barrel, and I
know you've had takes and we'll get to some serious things.
But does it continue to astound you how many companies
hire people who would never consume their product ever to
try and convince people why they should consume a product.
I just I fundamentally don't understand it.
Speaker 11 (51:42):
I don't either. The cracker barrel thing was such a
weird hangover move. It's like, what year is this? What's happening?
And to the extent that it was woke, it was
just that these people in the C suite are so
disconnected from normal people who might stop at a cracker
barrel that they have no idea what's animating that decision,
Like I would stop at a cracker bill more often
(52:04):
if the food just came out a little faster, like
just adjust to that for me, and I'm good. My
kids love to go. I love to go. I like
the vibe, we like to shop a little bit. I'm
here for it. But the woman who is running the
place and the marketing team have no idea what it's
like to take a family with three kids or four
kids to a cracker barrel. I just I don't think
they've ever done it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I've actually never been to a cracker barrel. So I'm
excited to now go try try the cuisine that is
now at the center of this national rebranding firestorm. So
I've got that going for me, Mary Catherine, which is
nice something else that came up because we're kind of,
you know, last last hour for a few folks here
in the office before the holiday weekend starts. So we're
(52:45):
doing a bit of a grab bag and one of
them is play shared out just now a you know what, Clay,
I'll let you describe it. This goes to the rules
around when is it appropriate for an adult to ask
for an autograph. Let me first put in though, autographing
someone's book signed by the author totally legit. I hope
(53:06):
all of you buy my book in Clay's book, and
we'll sign as many of them as we can. But
signing like paraphernalia if you're an athlete, What are the
rules about this? Because Clay, what just happened that got
all this fire storm? It's it's blown up at the
US Open.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
They've got the tennis tournament going on out in New
York now, And my general proposition, and this gets people
really fired up, is you shouldn't wear if you're a man,
you shouldn't wear a jersey of a player younger than you.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I think it's a weird.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Look, you know, old school, like I was a Bo
Jackson fan or a Michael Jordan fan. I'm not saying
that I look good in a jersey, but I'm okay
with people that you grew up a fan of. But
when you're like, I'm forty six, if I'm wearing a
nineteen year old jersey, I think it's a really weird look.
So wear a polo, wear a T shirt, whatever you
want jersey and a grown man that's way like a
(53:57):
generation younger than you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Also, but pointed out autographing books, which are written for adults,
is the design process. I am very very anti grown
adults boxing out kids at sporting events getting autographs. And
there is a viral video that is now circulating that
I just shared of a tennis player signing autographs for
(54:20):
a kids. He actually takes his ball cap off and
tries to hand it to a kid. An adult autograph
seeker comes in and grabs this. This happens with foul
balls every now and then it happens with autographs. If
you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think
you should reconsider your life's decisions. At an athletic event,
(54:41):
step back and let little kids in front of you,
because the adults box out the little kids everybody has
seen this.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You're weird.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
If you're forty and you're desperate to get a twenty
four year old's autograph. That eight year old that you're
boxing out, it will be one of the coolest moments
of his life. Maybe reconsider your life options. Is that
normal or am I the outlier here?
Speaker 6 (55:02):
No?
Speaker 11 (55:02):
I think you're right on that. I'm going to beg
an exception on the jersey front because there's a Georgia's
kicker named jack Ham and I just like, I have
to go with it.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
But on this you're also by the way, hold on
females can get away with wearing any jerseys that they want.
This is specifically designed for men, grown men wearing kids
jerseys unless it's your own son and you have the
same name and he's on the team, is I think weird.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (55:26):
As for this viral video, that man's behavior is trash.
It is trash. He gets in there so quick and
grabs this hat from this kid, and he does it
very on purpose, and he hands it off and hides
it from the kid very quickly. That he has an
accomplished I think he's a lady next to him, and
that is trash behavior and you are putting yourself above children,
(55:52):
and you are using your advanced wits and motor skills
to best them to this hat, and it is just
a sad said look for you. The hat was clearly
meant for the child. Get out of there. Wait your turn.
Let every child that is in the front row go
before you, at the very least before you step in there.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now your podcast, Mary Catherine and Carol's podcast, Carol Markut's
and Mary Catherine Ham do a podcast together normally on
the Clay and Bluck Network. You're hitting your one hundredth
episode coming up on September second. How's it been doing
the show so far? What's the feedback been like from
your listeners? And win are Clay and I going to
come on and mansplain feminism to feminists? Not you, but
(56:33):
as a general thing. We've been talking about how this
would be helpful.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Oh my gosh, we have.
Speaker 11 (56:37):
So much fun and would you believe that between us,
with the seven children, we have still produced one hundred
episodes on time. For all of those episodes, We're very proud.
We feel like we have a very normy audience, many
of whom are moms and parents who write in to
tell us. Thank you for just assessing the news without
losing your mind. Now. Granted, sometimes it's hard to do that.
(56:58):
It was harder during the Biden administration when I was
losing my mind on the regular. But I think people
are looking for news without their blood pressure necessarily going up.
If my blood pressure is going up, I want it
to be for the dog, or I want it to
be over that guy with the hat at the US
Open who's a jerk. I don't want it necessarily to
be driven up while I'm trying to get educated every day,
and so we try to keep it between the lanes.
(57:21):
But you know, we also got some weird takes every
now and then. That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
And by the way, what can I ask you a
question actually about that? What is this? What is the
take so far on the normally podcast that has that
has been the most controversial that maybe you didn't think
was going to be controversial at all.
Speaker 11 (57:38):
Ooh, ooh, gosh. I have to think about this. I
think I think anytime, look, we do some critical of
the Trump administration takes right, and I think sometimes when
we do that we surprise people. But I think that
would be the area where we get feedback, but we
often get feedback that's like very thoughtful and and nice
because we cultivate that kind of audience. By the way,
(58:00):
I don't believe in man's plaining anyway. I think like
I'm one of those people who believes when men defend
man's plaining's they're basically like, that's how we have a conversation.
I'm like, I know, I get it. I get that
that's what's happening there because they grew up with you,
brother brothers.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
You've got like you just said, seven between you and
Carol kids. Seriously, here, when you see some of the situation,
the situation happened in Nashville, situation that happened in Minneapolis.
We talked about parents, and one conversation. Obviously, I think
we should have armed security in schools. We've talked a
lot about that, but I don't think we talk enough
(58:37):
about parents. And if you know your kid has depression issues,
which hopefully you would know, or you know your kid
has mental health issues, you can strongly believe in Second
Amendment rights and also understand that that doesn't mean that
every single person in your household should have access to firearms.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
I wish we talked more.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
About like I look at that kid's pick sure, and
I'm like, this is not a person who is in
mental health.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
You know, good position. I don't see how mom and
dad could not know that. Right.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
We should talk I think more about parenting aspects here
and what we should expect parents to do.
Speaker 11 (59:14):
Yeah, if that young man, young man specifically is in
your home, you have to have an inkling that this
is going very much off the rails and you need
to keep such things away from him. We also have
an issue, I think where we used to have a
way of dealing with adults with very very severe mental
illness in psychosis, and they would have places that you
(59:36):
could go for that. As a parent of an adult child,
trying to get that kid to take medication or to
go to see whatever therapist he needs to see becomes
very difficult, particularly if you're a woman with a son
who can overpower you. Like this is a very tricky situation.
But I do think parents have to take responsibility for
the fact that they need to know what's going on
(59:58):
with those kids. It's especially they're in their same house,
I mean, which was the situation here. And it would
also help if the press would just refer to the
guy as a guy and stop pretending that a woman
committed this crime. It's crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
It's amazing. I just saw this actually, Maric Catherine NBC
News headline, and it just goes in the whole story.
She she, she, she, The Democrats have not learned their
lesson on this at all. In fact, they're doubling and
tripling and quadrupling down.
Speaker 11 (01:00:25):
No, they really haven't, and by the way, they really haven't.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And by the way, I.
Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
Don't appreciate them messing up women's mass shooting stats. Okay,
like we are not playing for this one. But it's
just the media is supposed to make it easier to
understand what happened, and I know that we lost that
ability a long time ago. That value was lost some
time ago. But in situations like this, and particularly on
trans stuff, the way that they word stuff is so
(01:00:52):
dependent on an ideology and has nothing to do with
helping you understand the facts on the ground, and it's
just disgraceful. It's anti jerm. It is the exact opposite
of what you are taught to do if you are
in some way trained to be a journalist. But now
they're taught to do this and it's just poison.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
What is George's record going to be this year?
Speaker 11 (01:01:14):
Oh, it's gonna be perfect. See I'm such a homer.
You can't even ask me that stuff. You can't even
ask me. It's pathetic.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Do you have games on the schedule like that you're
going to try to go to Because I'm gonna be
at FSU Alabama this weekend. I've never been to Tallahassee.
You can't wait to check it out. You've got an
absolute brood. So it becomes difficult, I know for a
lot of people to move the whole apparatus with seasons
and everything else. Will you try to get your whole
family to games or no?
Speaker 11 (01:01:42):
So what usually happens is that once every four years
or so, I'll get all the kids to a game,
and in the interim, either I will go or my
husband and I will go together. I did take on
one occasion.
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
You'll be proud.
Speaker 11 (01:01:53):
On one occasion, right after I gave birth to my
third child, she was a month old, and I was like,
I gotta go to a dog's game because this is
the year we're going to win the Natty and we
indiddep we indeed did so. I was like, I got
to get them all there so I can say they
saw the Dogs play. That year, I took three children
on a twelve hour road trip to watch the Dogs
with a one month old and yes that was crazy,
(01:02:13):
and yes it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
That's awesome. I'm taking my boys. I know all of
them at least. That's the plan to the Tennessee Georgia
game in Knoxville on September thirteenth, where Tennessee is going
to finally in the losing streak to your Georgia Bulldogs,
ensuring that they are not in fact undefeated. Mary Catherine Ham,
where can people find your content? You do great stuff
in the podcast You're on Fox News regularly. You write
(01:02:36):
on occasion for OutKick. Where would you tell people if
they're enjoying this to find you?
Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
Just look at me at mk hammer on Twitter, at
mk hammer Time on Instagram if you want, and you
can find me on normally podcasts and you should awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Appreciate you. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 11 (01:02:50):
Thank you very much, guys, have a good football weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Amen. I can't wait. That is Mary Catherine Ham.
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Clay. Have you heard of the Rio Reset? Sounds like
a trendy new workout, Buck, it does, but it's actually
a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name
is BRICKS, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China and
South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Smart move to stick with Bricks. We know what happens
when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, that's an understatement. Bricks is a group of emerging
economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Now that sounds like the plot line of a movie.
I'm listening.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal
specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's
on the ground in Rio getting the whole low down
on what's going on there. Can he give us some
inside intel? Absolutely, he's been there since day one. In fact,
a major theme at the summit is how Bricks Nations
aim to reduce reliance on the US dollar in global trade.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yikes, that doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip
on the line.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Stat already did and he left the Clay and Buck
audience this message.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The world is moving on from the dollar quietly but steadily.
These nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade,
and the US dollar is no longer the centerpiece. That
shift doesn't happen overnight, but make no mistake, it's already begun.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
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(01:38):
informed decision. One more time. Text my name Buck to
ninety eight ninety eight ninety eight. All right, welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck. We've got some good
news we're talked to you about with Trump on the economy
and also Republicans are just very happy with the direction
of the country. To Clay's point, what is the bad
thing that we're supposed to be upset that Trump is
(01:59):
doing right now? Trying to lower crime in Washington, DC,
our nation's capital, which has been plagued by just unacceptable
and really terrible crime for a very long time. Let's
check in on that, shall we. Let's take a look
at this first off, here is and we'll credit journalist
Nicholas Balassi for this. Business owners and managers in Washington,
(02:23):
d C. The people that are actually dealing with this
and around this. You always want to go to the source.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Here's what they're saying about the situation, play six. It
was a little dicey at times, especially at later times
in the hour. I would see fights break out whenever
I'm just walking home. But now it's a lot more quiet.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
What do you think about that as scurity?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
What's your reaction to it? You think it's been good
for this? Yeah, I'm welcome and I think it's a
great idea.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I have noticed that they have been cleaning some of
the graffiti off in some of the areas, like on
the highways and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Do you feel safer now than before now? And do
you have any experience with safety being an issue before?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
It's like a lot of light car loss, stealing, a
lot like gun problem, or a lot of profit and a
lot of life trucks and gun So now it's much better.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now it's much better. It's quiet. They're clinic graffiti, all
these things you're hearing, You're going, who hears this clay
and says what a monster Trump is. They're cleaning up
graffiti and making sure people don't get shot, and businesses
feel like their customers don't have to worry about being
robbed outside them. Monstrous stuff from Trump. Well, yesterday I
shared the AP data.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Eighty one percent of Americans say that violent crime in
big cities is a major problem. The eighteen percent of
Americans say it's a minor problem in big cities. One
percent say it's not a problem. So you have allowed
Trump Democrats have to take an issue that ninety nine
percent of people agree with him on, and you've taken
(03:59):
the other side. Now, there's probably what twenty percent of
the Democrat base that if President Trump waived a magic
wand then all violent crime ceased to exist in the country,
they would still say, oh, this is exactly what Hitler
would do, because their brain is so broken that they
lack the ability to give any credit to Trump at all.
(04:22):
But this is where and I just come back to
it again and again. This is where the team that
Trump has put in place for two point zero. Frankly,
it is orders of magnitude better than one point zero.
There's very few things I can even point to and
say they're not executing at a phenomenally high level. In fact, Buck,
my biggest concern is that Trump is doing so much
(04:45):
in this first year that I don't even know what
he's going to do in years two, three, and four.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, these moving I think the continuation of it, right,
I mean the border, it's it's you turn into maintenance
mode a little bit on some of this with the border.
The deportation numbers, I think I saw it was two
hundred thousand so far this year, So those numbers are
ramping up. We want to see a lot more of that,
but those numbers are getting stronger and stronger with him.
They have to build the infrastructure, and they have to
(05:13):
build the deportation infrastructure. While you have all these lib
activist judges that are just deciding they run US immigration policy.
They're actually the president. They can shut things down, they
can turn planes around in mid air if they say so.
So they're they're working against that clear opposition but Clay,
I never thought that I would say this, Kamala Harris
(05:36):
may be the template of Democrat strategy on some of
these issues going forward. Now let me explain. You wouldn't
usually think of Kamala Harris as a tactician, as the
you know, the second coming of Machiavelli in politics. But
you will recall Clay at one point when she was
running against Donald Trump in her short and ill fated campaign,
(05:58):
she came up with this incredible idea, and the idea
was no tax on tips. And she came forward and
she said, hey, guys, I have this great idea, no
tax on tips. And everyone kind of looked at her,
except for the Democrats who were told to clap in
the audience and said, right, you mean the thing that
Trump has been saying and pushing for for months and
(06:19):
months and months, and now this is your idea. I
bring it up because Gavin Newsom is taking a page
from the Kamala book, taking a page from the Trump book.
Gavin Newsom is surging law enforcement in his home state
to address crime issues. Plus pray sorry play clip.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
To effort that will now take shape on border division.
Down in San Diego. We're going to advance this effort
down in LA to other parts of the Central Valley,
not just limited to Bakersfield, in partnership with Mayorgo there
in San Bernardino, and we're going to expand this operation
(07:01):
in a collaborative that continues to include the cities and
counties are partners in sheriff's office and local law enforcement agencies.
We continue as well to work with the federal partners.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Wait a second. Gavin Newsom talking about law enforcement surge
to deal with crime. He came up with that idea
on his own. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I do think it's emblematic of what Gavin Newsom's entire
presidential campaign is going to be. He is shameless. He
knows that there is very little consequence for changing positions.
The media has his back if he's going to be
the Democrat nominee. I think that Gavin Newsom is going
(07:47):
to try to just occupy the middle by arguing for
things that he's actually not done during his whole tenure
as the governor of California. And I think he knows
that he'll get cover from the media and he'll run
like Joe Biden did, and then he'll get into office
and he'll run super left wing. I think that that
(08:10):
is the way that they think they can get back
to power. And so if you look at the gambling
markets Gavin Newsom, you and I might think, and I
think we do, and most of you out there might
agree with us, that he has embarrassed himself in the
way that he has been behaving over the past several
weeks shamelessness, dishonesty. The markets don't agree with us. They
(08:37):
are saying Gavin Newsom has drastically taken early lead. And
it's very early, but some of you are going to say, well,
why does this matter? A lot of big donors get
behind these presidential campaigns super early. And I am telling
you Gavin Newsom's going to announce for president probably January
twenty twenty seven, and we're officially going to be a go.
(09:00):
And I think you have to make Gavin Newsom a
substantial favorite to be the nominee right now. I don't
think he has any foundation. I don't think he has
any core value. I think he is, even for a politician,
uniquely without a spine.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Do you want me to do you want me to
let you out on everything? You're wrong on everything? Buck.
That's benefit. Yeah, Well, do you want me to let
you out of your Kamala bet with whatever they call
it embedting, where I'll give you like a you'll pay
a minor penalty, You'll get me an appetizer instead of
the full steak Clay I said she would run. I
still know she's gonna run. Oh, I know, Okay, all right,
you're still you're sticking with it.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Huh you're sticking Well, I just I don't buy that Kamala.
And again this goes into the psychology of why some
people run. I don't buy that Kamala has anything else
that she loves, meaning, how is she going to occupy
that time?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
She's still only sixty one? Oh, I know, I know
you're I just I'm trying to be neighborly. You want
to be a good friend here, you know, a good
co host, and offer you an out because I think
we both think Gavin Newsom is in the number one
slot right now to be the next Democrat nominee. Gavin
Newsom certainly thinks so. However, another name that you and
I have bandied about here as a possibility, certainly I
(10:13):
think as a VP possibility, just because of the name
recognition issue, a name recognition issue, but maybe the top
of the ticket Governor Wes Moore of Maryland. And here's
what he is saying. Not a big surprise given what's
going on here about federal support in fighting crime. Play three.
Speaker 8 (10:33):
Baltimore still ranks third in the nation in violent crime
rate per capita in the nation. That you would welcome
in the president of United States help if crime in Maryland.
I'm onlimited time and I want to give you a
chance to dry. I would absolutely federal support. Apparently there
we go. You would welcome to federal support. That's wonderful
to hear.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I would absolutely welcome federal support. Hear that.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
But I also know what federal support is going to
be necessary and required. It's the reason that I've said
we would love to have additional support for license plate readers,
things that we know can actually stop crimes as they
are happening and making sure that.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
People are brought to justice. Can I just point this,
This is exactly that was our friend Will came by
the way in this Fox News show, and good good
on Will for getting the answer out here. Notice Wes Moore,
who wants to be president. I think we all know
this wants to run and wants to be president and
has a very you know, I think he's West Point,
he's west Point growd. I know he's a veteran. I
(11:25):
think he went to West Point, you know, played football.
Like there's a lot about this guy that that fixes
some of the problems Democrats have on the brand side, right,
So tell me, guys if he went to West Point
or not. I don't want to mess up his bio.
I know he was a football player. I know he's
a veteran. So he's a black guy, veteran football player,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Comes he went to Valley Forge Military, which is a sorry,
there we go. But then he went to Johns hop
according to the bio, Johns Hopkins, and then got a
masters from Oxford, but was in the eighty second Airborne.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And I knew he was a veteran, and I knew
he'd been a football player. I wasn't sure about the
military college, but thank you for that or you know,
military undergrad program. So but anyway, the point is he's
got to buy who's got the background to be a
formidable candidate. And notice what he's saying, Clay, this is
what I've said along is so crazy about the Democrats.
It shouldn't be Trump. Why are you trying to stop
(12:21):
the murders? If they were smart, what they would be
saying is, oh, no, we agree, we should definitely address
this problem in DC. Here's though, the way that we
think it should go. And then you criticize, you know, ah,
well Trump with the National Guardian. What they're saying is
there's no problem, and the whole country has said, you
guys are insane. There's clearly a problem. So Wes Moore
(12:42):
has pivoted into a defensible position. I think in anticipation
of what this guy's brand building exercise is going to
be as he runs for president. Just like look at
Gavin Newsom surging law enforce the smart Democrats see the
handwriting on the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
If if I were betting right now, I would say
they go Gavin Newsom president, Wesmore VP, because that gives
them the I think that they're going to be a
little bit reticent. The other one that I would say
is Gretchen Witmer is VP. But I think the Democrats
are actually going to be a little bit reticent to
try to go female again.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I think they are, and I think it's because they
realize abortion is not going to win the presidency for them.
It's not going to happen. And they thought it would.
It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's also interesting women supported Joe Biden more than they
did Hillary and Kamala. And I haven't heard anybody else
really talk about this, but everybody says, oh, it's misogyny,
it's misogyny, men won't vote for women, things like that.
I actually think that there are a lot of women
(13:48):
that do not find Hillary or Kamala to be actually
very likable and are more likely to vote for a
male Democrat candidate than they are a female Democrat candidate.
And I never hear anybody talk about that. It's always
like men or to blame when women don't win men
or to blame men or to blame. But Trump did
better against Hillary and against Kamala for women than he
(14:13):
did against Biden.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's just kind of interesting, right you. I just want
to say this, You doing a podcast where you men's
blame feminism to feminists would honestly be it would It
would be really good. You know, the first amendment in
Boobs Guy explaining feminism to the feminists. Here's my ladies,
you voted for men instead of women.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
We should just call it clay blame, where I just
tell women what they need to hear. I think it
would actually do really really well. Everybody miserable, including my wife,
but it would do very very well.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Okay, Look, President Trump wants to see this country emerge
as the leader. It's critical, the leader in artificial intelligence,
and that's where we were. But now China, because of Biden,
because of lost years, has gotten right up next to us,
and we need to be the leader in AI. This
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Speaker 2 (16:20):
We appreciate all of you hanging out with us as
we are rolling into Labor Day weekend. I know many
of you either already on the roads or potentially going
to be traveling. Worth mentioning that we are at a
four year low in gas prices, you have to go
all the way back to I believe twenty twenty one,
(16:41):
and still the Democrats are not driving on the interstate
era or if they were, they were wearing masks in
their cars by themselves to win the price of gas.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Was this affordable.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So if you factor in inflation as well, which unfortunately
Joe Biden brought us, it's even better because as the
average cost of goods have gone up substantially, yet gas
is cheaper now than at any point in the next
four years. And this is primarily going to be a
driving weekend for a lot of people out there. I
know people also flying. I'm going to be driving a
decent distance and so many of you are as well,
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So just a good sign there. And as we move
into winter, I would expect for prices to come down again,
as usually you see a bit of a surge in
gas prices during the summer because so many people are traveling.
Cracker Barrel, by the way, is in full on retreat.
We may have some fun with that before all is
said and done, but I do think it's worth us
(17:39):
continuing to share with you some of the basic lies
that are being shared with so many people out there
relating to what happened in Minneapolis. Most places still not
really addressing the fact that this was a trans terrorist
that took these lives of these innocent kids in Minneapolis,
and in fact, they're not even being honest about the
(18:02):
gender of the person who did this. This was a
man pretending to be a woman. CNN is worried about
misgendering the shooter such that they keep referring, and so
does New York Times, so does the Washington Post. They
keep referring to this shooter as a her. This is
what it sounds like. They won't even tell you who
(18:24):
this person was in the context of their own gender,
or that the transidentity might have been involved. Here is
cut eleven. What you heard on CNN. This is Andrew McCabe.
Speaker 10 (18:34):
Listen for the mother to not even return to the
state to answer law enforcement questions to try to provide
some assistance.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
I'm sure she's grieving for her daughter, but this is, Yeah,
it's a really perverse and strange element in this story.
It's inexplicable to me at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, you can hear a pause there.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Inexplicable, Yeah, he says They are doing this buck on
MSNBC New York Times. They are refusing to say this
was a boy. They are claiming that it's a girl.
They're saying that these parents have lost a daughter, meaning
the killer. They are worried about misgendering, and as a result,
(19:22):
they aren't even talking about the trans element here.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I think the parent discussion should be a part of this.
Because they changed the gender of this kid at seventeen
years old, I think we should be talking in earnest
how many different drugs was this kid on, How screwed
up did that potentially make the mental capacity of the kid,
How much did it exacerbate what is likely mental illness
(19:48):
already to be suddenly flooding the body with hormones. Pluck,
Here's something I was thinking about last night as I
was doing some prep when I got back home late
last night. And I know we've touched on it a
little bit, but I fel feel like it's almost verboten
to even discuss what is the health impact long term
going to be for these trans people as they enter
(20:10):
into their fifties, their sixties and seventies and start to
age and have real health problems as most people do
as they age. When you're talking about people with open
wounds that are constantly flooding their body with hormones, is
there any way these people are going to have remotely
normal life spans. It's like you're not allowed to discuss it.
(20:32):
But some of these people are so young when they
got this done that we haven't really dealt with. Hey,
what happens when you're sixty five and you had trans surgery.
These people are going to die decades younger and earlier
than they otherwise would have. And with the ones that
they're starting at thirteen and fourteen, I mean, their bodies
are never going to fully develop, Their bones are not
(20:52):
going to helop. I just get angrier the more I
think about this.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it's horrible what has gone on. And part of
the problem is that a lot of damage has already
been done, and so the people that are involved in
that damage are very unlikely to ever admit what has
gone on. Right, Yeah, I mean on the on the
medical side of things, and the fact that you honestly
I hadn't heard that sound bit yet. The fact that
(21:17):
this is being done where you have people saying that
a daughter, that they that the parents of the shooter
lost a daughter. This is crazy, tough, Yes, this is crazy.
This is not acceptable. This is not something we go
along with. It was a crazy guy who killed children
and tried to kill a whole lot more. Remember this individual, Uh,
(21:41):
this this mass shooter. It's it's a horrible tragedy that
he killed an eight year old, and I believe an
eight year old and a ten year old at prayer
in a church or walking into a church to pray.
It could this person with the guns that he had
there and the fact that there was an undefended soft target,
it could have been so much worse in terms of
(22:03):
the casualties. And people were hit and they thankfully survived
quick action by the first responders and by emergency rooms
in the area to save lives. But Clay, that anyone
would take even a second to worry about the courtesy
of the preferred pronouns of this maniac is itself moniacal.
(22:25):
It is absolutely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
And remember this is the former acting director of the FBI,
So you would think of anyone out there, if you
are an investigator, you would think that you would want
to stick to the facts way more than anybody else.
And the facts are this was a boy trying to
identify as a girl. The way that he hesitated there
and the fact that he actually pointed out that the
(22:51):
mom is not cooperating with authorities is all very strange
because what it would suggest is that maybe she knew
that her son was I don't see how she could
not knew that her son was a potential threat to everyone.
And so far she is not talking because she is
afraid that she might get charged in relationship to the shooting,
(23:13):
because somehow this crazy person had access to guns. And
let me just reiterate this all the time. You can
strongly believe in the Second Amendment, and if you are
a parent, also understand that your individual kid may not
need to be in possession of a gun. And I
(23:33):
don't mean that because you're worried about them shooting up
other places or killing other people. I mean your kid,
if they have mental illness, or they have depression, or
they have some form of psychoactive issue that you are
aware of as a parent, they shouldn't be around firearms
Like this has nothing to do. I get so fired
(23:55):
up about this because I've got three boys.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I just don't believe that in any of these mass
shooting situations there weren't tons of clues that these parents
saw and they just pretended that it wasn't there, and
they let their kids remain in possession or in ownership
of firearms. Right, And so I look at this, this
mom is hiding. It sounds like from investigators not participating
(24:20):
in the investigation. I think it's probably going to come
out that she knew her son was a threat both
to himself and to others, and she just pretended it
was going to go away. I think that's what's going
to come out. Also, it's not going to surprise you.
But I wanted to play this. The WNBA coach in Minneapolis,
she has decided to weigh in and she says, hey,
(24:42):
we can't tell kids anything positive because we don't care
about them. This is woke WNBA nonsense. But I wanted
to play it for you too. This is what you
might be hearing if you were watching CNN or MSNBC.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
It's such an indictment of our society and our lack
of regard for life. There are things that we can
do about it, and we know, but for some reason,
as Americans, we value something different. It's sickening, sad for
the kids, Sad for the kids to go up like
the sad for kids, a lot for the door and
not know what's going to happen. Hearts go out to
(25:15):
obviously the I've lost kids that are hurt, the teachers
that have to go through this, families that drop their
kid office school and some kick hearts hearts go out
to them. The sad thing is they can't sit here
and tell them that help is on the way because
we're not going to do a damn thing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
About okay, and she's not talking about doing a damn
thing about it, as in investigate what's going on with
trans she means she wants all your guns taken away.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And let's you know, they always want to talk about
mental health. Should should? Should being trans bar you from
owning a buying and owning a firearm. I mean the
left would absolutely freak out about that. But are we
going to now? They want mental health checks, they want
this is why again, Yes, you can hear the conversation
with Trey. I was shocked at mister Gowdy's uh. I
(25:58):
thought he misspoke on which is how we started that
interview with me giving him an opportunity to say, upon reflection,
because you do live radio, you do live TV, you're
not perfect. So I thought he would address it and
take back some of what he said. He did not
at all, not at all. He's like, we need a
new law, we need a new law that's going to
stop people from and I say Okay, what's that law
going to be as well? If someone's adjudicated mentally okay, well,
(26:21):
first of all, a lot of places already have something
on you know that's similar. The problem is adjudicating somebody
mentally deficient. The problem is figuring you or you know,
mentally incompetent to own but basically a danger to themselves
and others. What do you think the system that we
have is going to catch everybody that's crazy? Good luck
with that one. And what are the what are the
implications the civil rights and First Amendment and other implications
(26:43):
of Oh, we're deciding that you're crazy, so we're taking
away your right. Everybody knows I'm saying this, and a
lot of you are already nodding your heads. Oh, you
mean they're going to try to take guns from veterans
who have PTSD, right, because that's going to happen in
blue states. You mean they're going to try to take
guns from people, You know that a whole range of things.
It'll be used as a tool, weaponized immediately and right away.
(27:04):
And so what's the law And to the point being
made here by was the w he said was a
w NB W NBA head coach. Yeah, head coach. Okay,
they say we know what to do. Say what it is? Yeah,
if the whole the whole point here is that people
get to point at their political adversaries and say they're
the bad people because they won't do the good thing.
(27:25):
What's the good thing? What's the thing that we'll say.
You know, yesterday with Trey, I even said, look, we're
talking about, uh, putting more armed guards at schools. We're
talking about maybe having a program that specifically puts veterans
who have firearms training to protect our kids, to protect
our houses of worship, a lot of places of armed
security all of the country. Why not protect our kids.
That's something, and that's something that might actually work passing
(27:49):
a law that that that what that says, if you're
the most insane, vile lunatic on the planet, you can't
get a gun. Well, yeah, we got to find out
who the insane, vile lunatic is before they shoot everybody.
And that's the part of this that they don't even address.
They don't even talk about.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just every time this happens. I do not see
this as political. Every single public and private school in
America should have security guards armed they're twenty you know,
every hour that the kids are there. I don't understand
how this isn't standard operating procedure.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I've said it.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I always think about it in the context of would
I want this for my kids? And if the answer
is what I want it for my kids, almost without exception,
my answer for all of you is going to be
I want it for your kids and grandkids too. My
kids public and private school have had armed security. I
don't understand why the immediate response from this when we
(28:44):
look at what we spend and waste dollars on, you
ran through the math. Basically, I mean, this is ten
billion dollars a year nationwide that we could put in
place and say, let's do it. When I look at
the way that we waste money protecting kids' lives at school,
young innocent kids, and letting every bad guy out there know, hey,
(29:09):
there's arms security at this school. Because what did we
see with Covenant, These these evil people are doing stakeouts
of the schools to see whether or not they're secure,
and if they are, maybe it makes them change their
minds just a little bit. The Bridges is a good
example this. I was talking about this with my wife
the other day. You know, they put fences basically higher
(29:31):
up on bridges to try to limit suicides, and people
drastically do not commit suicide at the same level when
they just have to climb up a little bit more
over the top of a fence or a secure area.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Fences as a security system make it harder slow people down.
By the way, true with the border as well. Yes,
I've seen at the border people scaling the fence, but
you know what you see them. It slows them down
and then you can arrest them on the other side.
It's not the people go. If you have a ten
foot fence, I'll have an eleven foot ladder. Guess who's
waiting for you on the other side of that fence,
if it's well constructed and it's double layer and there's
(30:08):
sensors in place. Border patrol. Yes, all security measures are
imperfect on their own, but that doesn't mean they're not useful.
And it's certainly useful. I would even advocate for a
program that says, look, why does conceal carry work so well?
Clay and a total credit to more guns, less crime.
John Lott on this. What you find out is that
(30:30):
it's not that everyone has to conceal carry. It's that
in places where there is concealed carry, the bad guy
has to think somebody here might have a gun, and
that changes the calculation. Sometimes they do and they go
for it anyway, and then there's a good guy with
a gun there. But in the school system, if you
even just had let's say, if a state said, you
know what, we're going to have a program, some uniform,
(30:51):
some out of you know, some open carry, some concealed carry,
changes the calculation for school shooters inherently, and there's no
loss of attendant rights. There's no I'm going to harass
people who are good people who haven't done anything like
That's the part of it that also has to be
taken into account.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I wish if we were going to have a conversation
nationwide about that's the one we'd go to. It's the
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Speaker 2 (32:20):
So welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Our
friend Alex Berenson, formerly of The New York Times write
about almost everything on COVID, Remember back when that mattered.
Now it's just like everybody wants to pretend COVID never existed,
and there were never restrictions, and they never said, hey,
go sit in circles in public parks. They never said, hey,
(32:40):
take your put your mask on to walk to a restaurant,
then you can take your mask off as soon as
you sit down, that none of this absurdity. Schools weren't
shut down all these things. I thought about it this
morning because I'm still angry about it. When I took
my kids, we had a doctor's appointment, and you had
to wear a mask to go to a kid's pediatric
appointment for years in much of the country. But Alex,
(33:02):
we want to talk with you now about the school
shooting and uh in Minneapolis. We have been talking about
this quite a lot, and we're going to get into
a variety of different angles that you think are significant.
But let's start here. How much attention do you think
there should be. You're a parent, Buck is now a parent, Obviously,
I've got three kids. On the idea of minors being
(33:25):
given drugs relating to their gender in the wake of
the school shooting in Nashville and the school shooting in Minneapolis,
is it reasonable to say, hey, let's look at what
we're giving these minor kids.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Is it having an impact in their decision making?
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yes? I mean, I think if you frame it that way,
the answer is yes. And you know that's not to
say that you know, most trainings, kids or kids getting
you know or you know or even young adults getting
transformones or in any way violence or dangerous. But uh,
you know this has now happened a number of times,
and I think it you know it it raises this
(34:04):
bigger question, right, like these are very powerful drugs, you know,
sex hormones are you know they're they're they're very powerful.
Uh yeah, even though they're naturally occurring, that doesn't mean
they're not powerful and are when you frame it us,
are they affecting kids decision making? That's a that's a
perfectly reasonable question.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
To ask, now, Alex, I know you are very vocal
about your what you see as a connection between uh
psychosis from marijuana slash THHC, right, the psychoactive drug that
that is what people are smoking the weed for, uh
and in general just the psychosis of it. But you
(34:43):
also think that the walk me through here what you
believe because I've seen you on on Twitter talking about
this or rather writing about this. Do you think there's
a link between the psychosis that has has been a
huge factor obviously in some of these horrific shootings and marijuana.
Want to use talk us through that?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Sure, So start with this cannabis. And you know, listen,
I wrote a book right in twenty nineteen called Tell
Your Children that went into this connection in depth. And
so although I'm not an MD or a PhD, I
believe that I am qualified to talk about this in
a serious way. And I've read, you know, basically all
(35:22):
the literature that I can find on it, and the
evidence has really only gotten stronger since Tell Your Churn
came out, which was six years ago. There's been more
studies done. So look cannabis, you know, slash THC because
as you said, TC is the active ingredient in cannabis,
is the drug in cannabis that makes people high, can
cause and worsen psychotic episodes in people. There's there's no
(35:46):
question about that. I think even the cannabis lobby would
acknowledge that, and there is now, I would say, very
good evidence that in some people, especially if you start
using cannabis at a young age, and especially if you
use a lot of it, and especially if you use
high potency cannabis, and unfortunately, all those three things are
all connected. If you're doing that, you increase your risk
(36:08):
of developing schizophrenia, and schizophrenia is essentially a permanent psychotic condition. Right,
So people with schizophrenia will become psychotic. They'll maybe manage
their psychosis with drugs, drugs called antipsychotics, they may get
a little bit better, but then they're likely to become
psychotic again. They'll relax sor The definition of schizophrenia is
(36:31):
that it's a psychotic condition that's not drug related. It's
not related to dementia, it's not related to anything else,
and it just comes and goes, and it's a really
terrible illness. Okay, about one in one and fifty people
have this illness, and for the most part, they don't
get married, they don't work, they don't have kids. They
die about twenty years younger than other people on average,
(36:54):
because it's you really can't function very well in society
with schizophrenia. The other thing about schizophrenia, about psychiasis, is
that people who have it are much more likely to
become violence. There's no question about that. They're also more
likely to be the victims of violence. So let's be
clear about that too. But you know, when the classic line,
(37:17):
the line that I use and tell your children is
when you see somebody if you're just a you know,
an ordinary person. You're on the subway platform in New
York City, you see somebody talking to himself who clearly
hasn't showered or you know, bathed, who might be homeless
at the other end of the platform or near you.
You walk over to the other end of the platform.
If you intuitively know that psychosis is dangerous, human beings
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know this. They know that people who are disconnected with
reality and be dangerous to them. And that's particularly true
when the psychosis has a paranoia flavor. So if I
become mentally ill and I'm convinced that you are out
to get me, I might latch out and hurt you.
And that might be if you're a stranger, it might
be if you're my child, it might be if you're
(38:00):
you know, a police officer. Right, So, once I become
convinced that you're a risk to me, I will lash
out against you. And this is a real connection. I
don't think anybody serious in the psychiatric community, in the
medical community without any of those things. So that I've
just told you so, the question then becomes in encouraging people,
(38:21):
or allowing people, or allowing an industry to spring up
that encourages the use of cannabis and THFC, which is
a known psychomametic drug. Are we essentially facilitating or encouraging.
Encouraging is the wrong word, but is it.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Like let me cut let me cut you off your
for a sex result, let me cut you off for
a sack? Alex, Because I think this is important. I
mentioned that we're all parents. I think a lot of
people around our age, and we're all around the same
age actually bought into the idea that we'd that THHC
is in some way healthier to use and less.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Damaging than alcohol.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And if you look, if you look at the data
right now, and I think this is important, alcohol use
among young people is hitting record lows. They are not
in any way using alcohol like past generations have. Also,
nobody young, by and large smokes right like nicotine and
the idea that you would smoke a pack of day.
The use of cigarettes has collapsed among the young, but
(39:26):
use of THC, use of weed related products has surged,
and the idea has been Alex that this is healthier
and better for kids, better for young people young adults.
What you're telling us is that the evidence is actually
that we're trading less dangerous objects for more dangerous ones
based on some of the data that you're seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
So if more complicated even than what you just said.
And here's why alcohol use is down, okay, But it
is not clear that people who use cannabis use less alcohol.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
People use drugs tend to use drugs, okay. So what
you get is sort of an additive effect where people
are using alcohol and cannabis amb So.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
There's not as much of a substitution as my question
implied based on what the data you see shows.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
That's right. There are some people who are just using
less drugs right, just the way their kids, you know,
kids like people I would say teens and young adults.
They have sex less. Some of them don't drive, which
just seems absolutely crazy to me. They seem perfectly content,
a lot of them to sit at home and essentially
do nothing. And those are not the And some of
(40:37):
those people are using cannabis, but some are not. But
there's definitely a group that is using cannabis and other drugs,
even including psychedelics, in addition to alcohol. So what I
would also say is it's not people say to me,
how can you say cannabis is less dangerous than alcohol?
Nobody over ever odd on cannabis on THC, which isn't
quite true. People can od on it, mostly they don't
(40:57):
die on it. And here's the answer to that, true
answer to that cannabis is less physically dangerous than alcohol.
No one could seriously disagree with that. If you drink
too much alcohol, your liver can stop and you'll die.
All right, that is not very likely. I mean, it's
not going to happen if you use cannabis. But cannabis
is more dangerous to your brain than alcohol. People don't
(41:18):
get psychotic except in very very rare times or in
very late stage alcoholism from using alcohol. They do get psychotic,
paranoid and psychotic all the time when they use cannabis. Okay,
it's almost a feature of the drug. And so so
those are people are more dangerous to the people around
(41:41):
them in general than somebody who's using alcohol.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
And yes, sorry, no I want to ask you finish
your thought. If something else, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
So the question is, like, as a society, we're sort
of trading. We're trading a bar fight for like a
mass stabbing or a mass shooting. Right, maybe we're training
ten bar fights or one hundred bar fights for a
mass shooting. But that is a real trade that we're making.
This idea that that somehow substituting cannabis for alcohol is
going to be a good for public health doesn't look
(42:14):
like it's the case at all. And by the way,
people one last thing on this idea that when people
are high and they drive, they don't speed. It's not true.
This idea that people who use cannabis have a better
mental health is one hundred percent not true. In addition
to this, this what I'm talking about with psychosis based.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So Alex, I hate, I hate, we I hate we do.
Just to be clear, so I'm you know, everything you're
saying here it jives with what I think and that
I want to ask you something else that's that's related.
But because when these things happen, you have a lot
of people that will say, oh, you know, and I'm
seeing this on the right particular, which why I want
to talk about it. They go, oh, it's they start
blending SSRRIS and this. I think there's a lot of
(42:54):
misinformation or a lot of people need to understand. Like
I mean, I just say this. I knew someone very
well manys Ago, who is bipolar and I knew this
person someone, you know, it was a woman who I
was dating on meds, totally normal, doing great, very successful
life off meds cannot function and so I just think that,
you know, people, there's this thing of like SSRI zombies
(43:17):
are running in and killing people. The right needs to
understand that actually, in the mental health world, there are
people who are their lives are saved by being on
these drugs. Actually, and a lot of veterans who deal
with PTSD whom I know, have gotten tremendous benefit from SSRI.
So can you speak to this a little bit because
I think people just are like everybody on SSRI should
(43:39):
get off. I'm like, that is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It's a terrible So I don't understand. I hate for SSRIs. Okay, look,
I think SSRIs are overrated as drugs, and most people
who have mild depression are going to recover from that
depression on their own, whether or not they take an SSRI.
But there are some people out there who have really
severe depression and who really can't function very well without
(44:02):
an SSRI. And by the way, if you have psychosis,
there are drugs called antipsychotics, and those drugs. Those are
difficult drugs for people. They cause a lot of weight gain,
they cause movement disorders in some people. But if you
if you have psychosis, you need anti psychotic like those
drugs help people. And and I think there's a really
(44:23):
important distinction to make that gets lost between essentially recreational drugs,
drugs of abuse and SSRIs and antipsychotics, and and so
people will say when I say this, like, people are like,
he he's a simp for pharma. And I say to them, like,
do you know who I am?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah? Me, Well, this is why this is why I
wanted you to talk about it, Alex, because I when
I try to point out reality people too, I'm like,
no one's like sitting around just popping lots of prozac
because it's so fun.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
That's exactly right. So, so the distinction isn't between a
drug you prescribe and a drug that's not prescribed. The
distinction is between drugs that get you high and drugs
that don't get you high. So what gets you high.
Stimulants get you high. So that's like an ADHD drug
adderall that's amphetamine. Those drugs get people high. Benzos anti
anxiety drugs, people take to get high. Nobody takes prozec
(45:12):
to get high. Nobody takes Vyprexa, which is an antipsychotic,
to get high. Those drugs have no street value because
they don't get you high.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
And the people who need them really really need them
in many cases.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
One right, and so again, like, are sthry is potentially
over prescribed? Sure, I'll tell you something right now. Right now,
most fsrized are off patent okay, prose off patent lexipro
off patent okay. That means that the companies don't make
any money basically from them, and they're still being prescribed.
Why because there's some people out there who need them.
(45:47):
And you're totally right to make that point. And again
I'm not like, I agree with you. I don't understand
why the right has suddenly gotten fixated.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
On SSRs yris and they're wrong. Honestly, a lot of
the people that are doing this are just and they
don't know what they're talking about. And I'll just say
it out loud because I know it's true.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
All right, let me ask you this, Alex as we
go to break, because I do think so many people
listen and their moms and dads, their grandma and grandpas.
What would you want them to tell their kids who
are fifteen or sixteen years old and have bought into
this idea that you can use THCHC products as much
(46:24):
as you want and there's nothing to be concerned about
with that. In thirty seconds, what would you want them
to know?
Speaker 4 (46:31):
In thirty seconds? And then and then I hope you
give me one final segment. But in thirty seconds, what
I'd say to you is, it's not just about TC,
and it's not just about alcohol. There's no free lunch. Okay.
A drug that gets you high that alters your relationships
to the world, you're gonna pay a price for it,
and it may be a small person and may be
a price that you're willing to pay to have that
(46:53):
up or that intoxication in the moment. But don't make
the mistake of thinking cannabis and TC is medicine. Don't
think that if you're you know, popping your adderall to
stay up all night and you want to feel good
like that, there's not a price to be paid. These
dugs are addictive. They change your brain chemistry, and you
will pay, and you may be able to tolerate that price,
(47:14):
but it is coming. That's what I would say to that.
That's what okay, kids.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
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the read. We'll come back and get one minute from
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Speaker 1 (48:33):
Alex you want, We're just gonna give you the floor
for a second. You had more on this one. You're
en fuego. Go ahead, so listen. Here's what I want
to say. The President of the United States right now
has a very important decision that he's that he's trying
to make about whether or not cannabis should be reschedulized,
rescheduled as a as a less dangerous drug under DEA rules.
(48:55):
And so if he does that, Okay, by the way,
it's currently called Schedule one. But that doesn't affect your
ability in a legalized state to buy it. It doesn't
mean anybody is arrested for possessing it.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
Or using it. All that stuff is under the current situation, Okay.
But the cannabis industry desperately wants them to reschedulize because
it will be a huge boost to their profits, okay.
And that will mean more pop ads, it will mean
more dispensaries, it will mean more kids and young people
and young adults smoking a lot. This is what they want,
(49:30):
and they don't want it because it's gonna change public
health or get it. Or they don't want it because
it's gonna get you know, kids out of jail. Because
it doesn't change any laws. It just will make their lives.
We do and you me, Laura Ingram. We don't have
money in this, Okay. We are talking about this because
we think it's important for the health of kids and
(49:50):
young adults. And I know it's a tough choice, but
the President should go with his gut. I know that
he's concerned about stuff and confused. I know you know
he's seen its effects on people. And he should keep
cannabis as a schedule warm drug. And he should listen
to people who don't have money.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Alex, parents and everybody. Alex, thanks for being here, guys,
our three coming up stick around all right, welcome back
in here to Clay and Buck. Mary Catherine Ham joins
us now. She is a Fox News contributor and she
also has a podcast of the Play in Buck Network
normally with Carol Markowitz. Our dear friend, Carol mark Witz. Ms.
(50:33):
Catherine Ham. Great to have you on the program. I
think we could maybe jump into this. Are you with
Clay that if somebody likes I grew up in Manhattan
where college football wasn't really a thing. Are you with
Clay that if someone likes college football, you inherently trust
and probably just like them a little bit more like
from go they're in a good place with you.
Speaker 11 (50:54):
Yeah, like you reference normally, and that's like my normy meter.
If you enjoy and engage with college football, you get
like a free pass to the normy lane in my mind,
and you have to prove otherwise with your weirdness at
some point.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
It's totally true. We just speak a common language. Even
though Mary Catherine Ham is a Georgia Bulldog fan and
is now getting to celebrate the fact that her team
is incredibly good and my team hopefully is on the
comeback trail a little bit with the University of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I do think it's important.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
We were talking about this with Cracker Barrel, and I
know you've had takes and we'll get to some serious things.
But does it continue to astound you how many companies
hire people who would never consume their product ever to
try and convince people why they should consume a product.
I just I fundamentally don't understand it.
Speaker 11 (51:42):
I don't either. The cracker barrel thing was such a
weird hangover move. It's like, what year is this? What's happening?
And to the extent that it was woke, it was
just that these people in the C suite are so
disconnected from normal people who might stop at a cracker
barrel that they have no idea what's animating that decision,
Like I would stop at a cracker bill more often
(52:04):
if the food just came out a little faster, like
just adjust to that for me, and I'm good. My
kids love to go. I love to go. I like
the vibe, we like to shop a little bit. I'm
here for it. But the woman who is running the
place and the marketing team have no idea what it's
like to take a family with three kids or four
kids to a cracker barrel. I just I don't think
they've ever done it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I've actually never been to a cracker barrel. So I'm
excited to now go try try the cuisine that is
now at the center of this national rebranding firestorm. So
I've got that going for me, Mary Catherine, which is
nice something else that came up because we're kind of,
you know, last last hour for a few folks here
in the office before the holiday weekend starts. So we're
(52:45):
doing a bit of a grab bag and one of
them is play shared out just now a you know what, Clay,
I'll let you describe it. This goes to the rules
around when is it appropriate for an adult to ask
for an autograph. Let me first put in though, autographing
someone's book signed by the author totally legit. I hope
(53:06):
all of you buy my book in Clay's book, and
we'll sign as many of them as we can. But
signing like paraphernalia if you're an athlete, What are the
rules about this? Because Clay, what just happened that got
all this fire storm? It's it's blown up at the
US Open.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
They've got the tennis tournament going on out in New
York now, And my general proposition, and this gets people
really fired up, is you shouldn't wear if you're a man,
you shouldn't wear a jersey of a player younger than you.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
I think it's a weird.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Look, you know, old school, like I was a Bo
Jackson fan or a Michael Jordan fan. I'm not saying
that I look good in a jersey, but I'm okay
with people that you grew up a fan of. But
when you're like, I'm forty six, if I'm wearing a
nineteen year old jersey, I think it's a really weird look.
So wear a polo, wear a T shirt, whatever you
want jersey and a grown man that's way like a
(53:57):
generation younger than you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Also, but pointed out autographing books, which are written for adults,
is the design process. I am very very anti grown
adults boxing out kids at sporting events getting autographs. And
there is a viral video that is now circulating that
I just shared of a tennis player signing autographs for
(54:20):
a kids. He actually takes his ball cap off and
tries to hand it to a kid. An adult autograph
seeker comes in and grabs this. This happens with foul
balls every now and then it happens with autographs. If
you're an adult trying to get an autograph, I think
you should reconsider your life's decisions. At an athletic event,
(54:41):
step back and let little kids in front of you,
because the adults box out the little kids everybody has
seen this.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You're weird.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
If you're forty and you're desperate to get a twenty
four year old's autograph. That eight year old that you're
boxing out, it will be one of the coolest moments
of his life. Maybe reconsider your life options. Is that
normal or am I the outlier here?
Speaker 6 (55:02):
No?
Speaker 11 (55:02):
I think you're right on that. I'm going to beg
an exception on the jersey front because there's a Georgia's
kicker named jack Ham and I just like, I have
to go with it.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
But on this you're also by the way, hold on
females can get away with wearing any jerseys that they want.
This is specifically designed for men, grown men wearing kids
jerseys unless it's your own son and you have the
same name and he's on the team, is I think weird.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (55:26):
As for this viral video, that man's behavior is trash.
It is trash. He gets in there so quick and
grabs this hat from this kid, and he does it
very on purpose, and he hands it off and hides
it from the kid very quickly. That he has an
accomplished I think he's a lady next to him, and
that is trash behavior and you are putting yourself above children,
(55:52):
and you are using your advanced wits and motor skills
to best them to this hat, and it is just
a sad said look for you. The hat was clearly
meant for the child. Get out of there. Wait your turn.
Let every child that is in the front row go
before you, at the very least before you step in there.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now your podcast, Mary Catherine and Carol's podcast, Carol Markut's
and Mary Catherine Ham do a podcast together normally on
the Clay and Bluck Network. You're hitting your one hundredth
episode coming up on September second. How's it been doing
the show so far? What's the feedback been like from
your listeners? And win are Clay and I going to
come on and mansplain feminism to feminists? Not you, but
(56:33):
as a general thing. We've been talking about how this
would be helpful.
Speaker 4 (56:36):
Oh my gosh, we have.
Speaker 11 (56:37):
So much fun and would you believe that between us,
with the seven children, we have still produced one hundred
episodes on time. For all of those episodes, We're very proud.
We feel like we have a very normy audience, many
of whom are moms and parents who write in to
tell us. Thank you for just assessing the news without
losing your mind. Now. Granted, sometimes it's hard to do that.
(56:58):
It was harder during the Biden administration when I was
losing my mind on the regular. But I think people
are looking for news without their blood pressure necessarily going up.
If my blood pressure is going up, I want it
to be for the dog, or I want it to
be over that guy with the hat at the US
Open who's a jerk. I don't want it necessarily to
be driven up while I'm trying to get educated every day,
and so we try to keep it between the lanes.
(57:21):
But you know, we also got some weird takes every
now and then. That's who we are.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
And by the way, what can I ask you a
question actually about that? What is this? What is the
take so far on the normally podcast that has that
has been the most controversial that maybe you didn't think
was going to be controversial at all.
Speaker 11 (57:38):
Ooh, ooh, gosh. I have to think about this. I
think I think anytime, look, we do some critical of
the Trump administration takes right, and I think sometimes when
we do that we surprise people. But I think that
would be the area where we get feedback, but we
often get feedback that's like very thoughtful and and nice
because we cultivate that kind of audience. By the way,
(58:00):
I don't believe in man's plaining anyway. I think like
I'm one of those people who believes when men defend
man's plaining's they're basically like, that's how we have a conversation.
I'm like, I know, I get it. I get that
that's what's happening there because they grew up with you,
brother brothers.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
You've got like you just said, seven between you and
Carol kids. Seriously, here, when you see some of the situation,
the situation happened in Nashville, situation that happened in Minneapolis.
We talked about parents, and one conversation. Obviously, I think
we should have armed security in schools. We've talked a
lot about that, but I don't think we talk enough
(58:37):
about parents. And if you know your kid has depression issues,
which hopefully you would know, or you know your kid
has mental health issues, you can strongly believe in Second
Amendment rights and also understand that that doesn't mean that
every single person in your household should have access to firearms.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
I wish we talked more.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
About like I look at that kid's pick sure, and
I'm like, this is not a person who is in
mental health.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
You know, good position. I don't see how mom and
dad could not know that. Right.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
We should talk I think more about parenting aspects here
and what we should expect parents to do.
Speaker 11 (59:14):
Yeah, if that young man, young man specifically is in
your home, you have to have an inkling that this
is going very much off the rails and you need
to keep such things away from him. We also have
an issue, I think where we used to have a
way of dealing with adults with very very severe mental
illness in psychosis, and they would have places that you
(59:36):
could go for that. As a parent of an adult child,
trying to get that kid to take medication or to
go to see whatever therapist he needs to see becomes
very difficult, particularly if you're a woman with a son
who can overpower you. Like this is a very tricky situation.
But I do think parents have to take responsibility for
the fact that they need to know what's going on
(59:58):
with those kids. It's especially they're in their same house,
I mean, which was the situation here. And it would
also help if the press would just refer to the
guy as a guy and stop pretending that a woman
committed this crime. It's crazy what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
It's amazing. I just saw this actually, Maric Catherine NBC
News headline, and it just goes in the whole story.
She she, she, she, The Democrats have not learned their
lesson on this at all. In fact, they're doubling and
tripling and quadrupling down.
Speaker 11 (01:00:25):
No, they really haven't, and by the way, they really haven't.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
And by the way, I.
Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
Don't appreciate them messing up women's mass shooting stats. Okay,
like we are not playing for this one. But it's
just the media is supposed to make it easier to
understand what happened, and I know that we lost that
ability a long time ago. That value was lost some
time ago. But in situations like this, and particularly on
trans stuff, the way that they word stuff is so
(01:00:52):
dependent on an ideology and has nothing to do with
helping you understand the facts on the ground, and it's
just disgraceful. It's anti jerm. It is the exact opposite
of what you are taught to do if you are
in some way trained to be a journalist. But now
they're taught to do this and it's just poison.
Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
What is George's record going to be this year?
Speaker 11 (01:01:14):
Oh, it's gonna be perfect. See I'm such a homer.
You can't even ask me that stuff. You can't even
ask me. It's pathetic.
Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Do you have games on the schedule like that you're
going to try to go to Because I'm gonna be
at FSU Alabama this weekend. I've never been to Tallahassee.
You can't wait to check it out. You've got an
absolute brood. So it becomes difficult, I know for a
lot of people to move the whole apparatus with seasons
and everything else. Will you try to get your whole
family to games or no?
Speaker 11 (01:01:42):
So what usually happens is that once every four years
or so, I'll get all the kids to a game,
and in the interim, either I will go or my
husband and I will go together. I did take on
one occasion.
Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
You'll be proud.
Speaker 11 (01:01:53):
On one occasion, right after I gave birth to my
third child, she was a month old, and I was like,
I gotta go to a dog's game because this is
the year we're going to win the Natty and we
indiddep we indeed did so. I was like, I got
to get them all there so I can say they
saw the Dogs play. That year, I took three children
on a twelve hour road trip to watch the Dogs
with a one month old and yes that was crazy,
(01:02:13):
and yes it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
That's awesome. I'm taking my boys. I know all of
them at least. That's the plan to the Tennessee Georgia
game in Knoxville on September thirteenth, where Tennessee is going
to finally in the losing streak to your Georgia Bulldogs,
ensuring that they are not in fact undefeated. Mary Catherine Ham,
where can people find your content? You do great stuff
in the podcast You're on Fox News regularly. You write
(01:02:36):
on occasion for OutKick. Where would you tell people if
they're enjoying this to find you?
Speaker 11 (01:02:40):
Just look at me at mk hammer on Twitter, at
mk hammer Time on Instagram if you want, and you
can find me on normally podcasts and you should awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Appreciate you. Have a good weekend.
Speaker 11 (01:02:50):
Thank you very much, guys, have a good football weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Amen. I can't wait. That is Mary Catherine Ham.
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