Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Sep 3 2025

Eric Adams Out?

 

Breaking news on the New York City mayoral race, speculating on reports that Eric Adams may be offered a role in the Trump administration in exchange for dropping out. They analyze the political dynamics between Curtis Sliwa, Andrew Cuomo, and Zohran Mamdani, warning that Mamdani’s far-left agenda could be disastrous for the city. Buck argues that Adams, despite his flaws, played a key role in exposing the illegal immigration crisis under Biden, and that his stance deserves recognition.

 

From Drive-Bys to Drone-Bys

 

A major escalation in the war on drug cartels, with Trump announcing a lethal missile strike on a Venezuelan drug boat. The hosts analyze the implications of treating cartels as global narco-terrorists, suggesting this marks a strategic pivot from criminal justice to military-style deterrence. They explore the broader geopolitical context, including Venezuela’s role as a failed socialist state and its leader Nicolás Maduro’s designation as a narco-trafficker by the U.S. Treasury Department.

 

Clay and Buck also discuss the technological evolution of cartel violence, warning that drone warfare may soon replace traditional drive-by shootings. They highlight how cartels are already using drones to drop explosives, raising concerns about future domestic threats.

 

Psychological Manipulation

 

Clay recounts his personal experience of losing a multi-million-dollar partnership with FanDuel due to his outspoken stance on transgender athletes in women's sports. Despite generating millions in affiliate revenue, FanDuel severed ties with Clay and his company OutKick, citing his views as “too controversial.” This story sets the tone for a broader conversation about corporate censorship, cancel culture, and the economic consequences of speaking truth in media.

 

The hosts then spotlight Malcolm Gladwell’s recent reversal on the transgender sports debate. Gladwell, once silent on the issue, now publicly admits he was “cowed” into dishonesty and affirms that biological men should not compete in women’s sports. Clay and Buck dissect this shift, debating whether Gladwell’s change is a genuine admission or opportunistic repositioning. They emphasize the importance of intellectual honesty, especially among public figures with influence and financial security.

 

A major theme throughout the hour is the erosion of free speech, particularly in Western democracies. The hosts discuss the arrest of British comedian Graham Linehan for making jokes about transgender issues, warning that speech policing in the UK is a preview of what the American left would implement if given the chance. They argue that comedy, satire, and dissent must be protected, regardless of political sensitivities.

 

Ben Shapiro is a Lion

 

the hosts are joined by Ben Shapiro, founder of The Daily Wire, for a wide-ranging and high-energy conversation covering cultural politics, free speech, gender ideology, and the future of American cities. This hour blends serious political analysis with sharp humor and viral stories, making it a standout segment for listeners interested in conservative commentary, media censorship, and urban policy.

 

The hour kicks off with a critique of Coldplay’s Chris Martin, who awkwardly welcomed Israeli and Palestinian fans on stage during a concert. Shapiro calls out the performative virtue signaling and highlights the broader trend of leftist anti-Israel bias in entertainment and media. This leads into a discussion of Western cultural decline, including the arrest of British comedian Graham Linehan for tweets deemed offensive by UK authorities. Shapiro warns that free speech is under siege, and that the U.S. must use diplomatic and economic leverage to push back against censorship in allied nations.

 

Shapiro also introduces his new book, “Lions and Scavengers: The True Story of America and Her Critics,” which explores the divide between builders (lions) and destroyers (scavengers) in society. He argues that every individual must choose daily whether to contribute positively or tear down institutions like family, faith, and property rights. The book is positioned as a cultural manifesto for those defending Western civilization against radical progressivism.

 

The hosts and Shapiro then tackle the Malcolm Gladwell reversal on transgender athletes, debating whether his change of heart is sincere or opportunistic. Shapiro advocates for forgiveness and accountability, emphasizing the need to incentivize truth-telling in public discourse.

 

In a lighter segment, Clay is challenged to attend Ka

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Very interesting news,
year breaking. We're just discussing about Eric Adams, the mayor
of New York City and America's hardest city, of course
my former hometown and in many ways always my hometown,
that he is being induced, perhaps by the Trump administration,

(00:20):
to drop out of the mayor's race, that he absolutely
will not win, like he he definitely won't win. He's
he's not even close to the to some of the
other contenders, namely Mamdani and Cuomo. Guys, tell me if
if whether Sliwa or or Adams has more support in
the polls right now, I'd be interested to see that,

(00:42):
because if you're a Republican, a lot of them are
gonna are gonna go Sliwa, right So, I think Adams
might be in last place right now of the of
the candidates that anyone's heard of. There might even be
some other candidates in the mix. So I'm not watching
it as closely as I used to because I don't
live in New York. But we're paying attention here of
course on Clay and Talk to the broad strokes of
what's going on. And here's what I what I think

(01:05):
you'll see Clay. This is a reminder to everybody that
Eric Adams. We're talking before about whether something is opportunistic
or something is in earnest when someone says I was
wrong or I when they're willing to speak out against
a dominant narrative when it was very important for the nation.

(01:27):
Eric Adams, he's not a good mayor. Okay, I don't
think he's He's not a malignant mayor. Like he's not Deblasio,
who just tried to you know, he he was like
a malignant tumor on the city of Newark. Deblasio tried
to do everything he could to undermine New York City.
In my opinion, I was living there when he was mayor, right,

(01:49):
I think Eric Adams, you know, I was not really
up for the job in a lot of ways. But
I think that he was trying. You know, he's trying
to back the police more, trying to do things better.
But on the issue of illegals in New York City,
this really elevated it because he was the first major
voice of any city in America who was a Democrat

(02:11):
to come out and say, hey, this is a problem
and this needs to stop. Like we can't just allow
these people who need a tremendous amount of resources, who
do take resources from the you know, from the rest
of the American public. Thirty percent of emergency room visit,
it's twenty percent of all hotel rooms. I mean you

(02:31):
start to look at these numbers, right, it's and this
factored Clay into I think the broader narrative about how
bad Biden's ten million plus illegal you know, jail break
into America was. And I think that you saw one
The Democrats went after Adams to make an example of
him with this corruption case about the airline ticket upgrades

(02:53):
or whatever with Turkeys airlines. Fair The funniest job they
could give him would be ambassador to Turkey. Trump does
have a decent sense of humor. If he made Adams
the ambassador to Turkey, it would be absolutely hysterical. We
probably have an ambassador to Turkey already, so whoever that is,
I apologize, but I do think the comedy value of

(03:14):
him in Turkish airlines, you know, would take care of him.
But yeah, like the corruption they went after him for
was absurd. Yeah, and you look at actual Democrat corruption
out there that they're willing to turn a total blind eye.
You look at Hunter Biden selling half million dollar paintings, Okay,
like we know that they'll do anything for power and
sort of pretend that flight upgrades. My point here, Clay,

(03:36):
is that Eric Adams was now maybe he saw down
the line that there was an opportunity here that's playing
four D chess a bit, that there could be this
situation playing out. I think it's more likely that he
just realized, this is a mess. They're making a mess
of my city with this illegal influx problem that's been
going on with Biden, and he played an important so

(04:00):
if they could find the right spot for him in
the administration, I think that he performed an important national
public service, even if he wasn't a very good mayor
by speaking the truth about illegals.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I also think they would have to find a job
for Curtis sliwa And I understand that everybody says I'm
not leaving the race, I'm all in for it, And
I understand why Sliwah would say I'm the better option
than Cuomo. Look at how bad Cuomo was during COVID.
This guy doesn't deserve the job. But if there's anything
other than one actual opposition to Mamdani. Mamdanni wins. So

(04:38):
you have to rely upon people to do what maybe
not at the peak of their own best interest, in
order to advance the City of New York's best interest,
and just a.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Lot of politicians aren't willing to do that. Just to
be clear, I mean, I'm basically right on this. I
knew I was directionally right. Adams is the weakest. Sliwa
has more support in most of the polls because he's
the Republican and there's a decent number of Republicans in
the five boroughs, he has more support than Adams. The clay.

(05:09):
That's another way of saying the existing mayor of New
York is doing the worst in this mayor election. So
whatever job the Trump administration's thinking of offering Eric Adams,
it's probably a pretty good deal for Eric Adams. May
not even need a Trump job.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
To be fair to Eric Adams, I would think there
are a lot of people in New York City who
could hire Eric Adams to come work inside of their company,
pay him way more than a government job pays. To
effectively be a lobbyist in New York City. I mean,
the guy has Whatever you think about him. The guy
has tons of connections to help get things done in
New York City. And for some of these billionaires that

(05:49):
are out there that really desperately care about the future
of New York City, having at Eric Adams one of
a thousand people on their payroll is not a bad
decision either. By the way, same thing could be said
about Curtis Sliwa. If you look at the gambling markets
right now, Zoorn Mom Donnie eighty percent chance of being
elected mayor of New York City, Andrew Cuomo eighteen percent,

(06:14):
Eric Adams less than one percent, Curtis Sliwa less than
one percent. So what the markets are telling us here
is it's Cuomo or it's Mom Donnie, and basically nobody
else has a chance.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I know, Mom Donnie is a mom, Donnie is a Kami,
and the stuff he's saying Clomo's awful, though I don't.
Cuomo is the guy behind. I know. I focus on
the COVID part of this, and you know him doing
the Oh, let's do a press conference.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Let's talk about Cuomo chips. If you're gonna sit at
a bar, you need the order of food like he
went through. All I was watching these day in and
day out. Yeah, and Clay he's the jail break Emmy
that they gave him a special Emmy for his press conferences.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, of course that was. It was must CTV in
New York at the time because of the theatrics around
all the things that he was demanding we do. And
I would just say, yeah, that was bad. But also
he was the the jail break guy, the jail break
bill up in Albany, the no cash bail, A lot
of the criminal justice problems that New York then had

(07:24):
to deal with, and just sort of disorder and decay
on the streets were directly pushed by Cuomo. So I
mean he is yeah, he's not a communist, Okay, So
would he be better for the business environment? Sure? You know,
are there I recognize, But man, is he not an
exciting alternative even based you know, he's better than Mamdani

(07:45):
but barely, is what I'm saying. Like, it's not great
if he becomes the mayor. It's not like New Yorker
should celebrate it that much.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
And this is where I come back to the argument
I've made related to New York City's mayor. Let him
make a bad choice, all right, Nashville. Man, that's enough.
That's enough out of you. That's enough. I want Mom
Donnie to be one of the faces of the Democrat
Party in twenty twenty six. And if that means that
we have to pick an awful leader for New York City,

(08:14):
why should all the same people of New York have
to band together to protect Democrats from the choice that
they made.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
And now I know how you Alabama football fans feel,
Clay just when he's just poking you to poke you, you
know what I mean, He's just sort of poking the
bear here. We don't want New York to have a
communist mayor who ruins the place. It's gonna be very,
very bad for a lot of people, and it could spread.
You think the big miss uh it was the Bush phrase? Misunderestimated?

(08:45):
Imost did there the big underestimation? Underestimation? Thank you misunderestimated.
It's fun to say, yeah, great, big yeah. Is it work?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I know it is not a word, but it's not
a word mission. This is a is the point to underestimate.
The combination of the two is kind of makes sense
to create.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yes, yeah, I agree, you know Bush Bush was a
you know, it was a wordsmith by accident. So I
would say the the problem We've seen a lot of
these cities. Look at Chicago, perfect example. You could have
argued Lori Lightfoot, you need to have Lori Lightfoot's administration,
which is anti cop business as usual for the corrupt

(09:28):
daily machine of Chicago. Go down the list all this
stuff and then people figure it out. Clay, they went
even crazier with the next mayor. Yeah, they did so.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I just think New York City might need to
might need to sometimes you got to let the kids
make the bad decision.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
W R listeners, do you hear this? He wants He
just thinks that you need to feel the pain. He
thinks that you need to like uh, like Bruce Wayne's
parents in Gotham, watch your back when you're going to
a Broadway show, you know, And this is not the
way we want it. I appreciate everybody who is smart
enough not to vote for Mom Donnie. They're already listening

(10:07):
to us. A lot of them know.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
They're nodding along right now, saying sometimes experience is the
best teacher, and sometimes Democrats need to experience the consequences
of their own choices in order to recognize that it's
a poor decision. You can only tell people for so long.
And I was reading, I mean, this is actually super sad.
I was reading over the weekend getting ready for the

(10:31):
show this week. The number of people out there that
are landlords. You know, they want to talk about freezing rent.
You know what doesn't get frozen most of the time,
property taxes. So the number of landlords, I mean, some
of you who own buildings, they think they try to
turn it into Oh, everybody's so rich at their landlords.
They had to give The New York Times credit a

(10:52):
really good profile on a woman in the Bronx who
was a landlord. Can't afford to pay her mortgage, but
they won't allow her to raise the rent. But yet
her property taxes keep going up, and so she actually
is losing money based on what she's allowed to charge
her residence and the property basically makes no sense. And

(11:16):
so this is the reality of when you stop people
from being able to charge the rents that they should,
sometimes you are creating situations where the loss basically goes
straight to the property owner in exchange of the renter.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
This is why Ron DeSantis, and this is very important
for the state of Florida and Governor DeSantis, I think
is completely correct on this and this should be getting
more attention. This is why Ron DeSantis is trying to
get through the state state legislator in tallahassee a change
in the way. I mean, look, it's trying to end
property tax. There's some more specifics to it, but the

(11:54):
probably have in Florida right now. And there's a lot
of people on fixed income here, a lot of retirees here.
We all know that. And you have property values have
because of supply and demand gone up dramatically, but they
do it as a percentage of your assessed value. Yeah,
so you get all these Floriding You get all these
people that are like I was living in a you know,
a three or four hundred thousand dollars house, and I

(12:14):
was perfectly happy and maybe even my mortgage was paid off.
Now I have to pay taxes on a one point
two million dollar house. Yeah, no, I mean, or the
state will take my home. How is that fair? You're
renting your house now from the state. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
This is what Californians had to deal with and why
they basically put in place I think, I mean, the
propositions have passed that don't allow property values to be
raised at you know, exorbitant rates relative to your point,
there's a lot of people who bought homes. I mean,
this is sadly one of the results of the fires

(12:51):
in Los Angeles. A lot of people were living in
those homes for decades. They could never have afforded them
if they were buying them. In real time, house burns
down and basically nothing is getting rebuilt there.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, have you seen some of.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
The helicopter footage of I know, the immediate aftermath of
the natural disaster. Eventually the attention kind of goes away.
By and large, they have not been able to get
back to building those homes back to where they were.
I mean, it's just sadly what one party rule has

(13:26):
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Speaker 1 (14:54):
Welcome back into Clay and fuck all right, So some
some big things happened yesterday. That was a lot of
news talk about during the show. But then, as occasionally
goes on, right after we went off the air doing
our life for three hours of programming, some other stuff
went down. And this one was notable. And there are
visual aids if you will, there are there's video of this.

(15:18):
It's the first time that I'm aware of that this
has happened in this in this way. I'm im I
was expecting there'd be an escalation against the cartels. I'll
say that I didn't know it would get to this
level this quickly. And here's what we here's what we have.
We've got a boat that well here actually Trump announced this,

(15:41):
so let's let's hear from the president. Yeah, cup one play.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
That we just over the last few minutes literally shout
out a boat, a drug carrying boat, a lot of
drugs in that boat. And you'll be seeing that and
you'll be reading about that. It just tappened moments ago,
and our great General, Head of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff was it's been so incredible, including what took place
in Iran, knocking out potential nuclear power for a long

(16:07):
time to come. I think within a month they would
have had it. We didn't do what we did, but
he gave us a little bit of a briefing and
you'll see and there's more where that came from. We
have a lot of drugs pouring into our country, coming
in for a long time, and we just these came
out of Venezuela and coming out very heavily from Venezuela.
A lot of things are coming out of Venezuela. So

(16:27):
we took it out.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, clay, So they put the video out there. It's
now circulating widely on the internet. And you have essentially
a speed boat that is that is going along. There's
you can tell there's a bunch of individuals in this boat. Look,
I think it's a go fast boat. And then it

(16:50):
gets hit with a missile and it and and it
is part of me. That was a different clip. It
got hit with a missile and it is a situation
where there is now lethal force being used against the cartels.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Look, I watched this video yesterday afternoon when it came out,
and there was a I give credit to New York Times,
although it's always a little bit suspect when you're writing
a behind the scenes piece on the fentanyl trade. Did
you see this piece. This was a few weeks ago.
They went and basically rode along with someone bringing fentanyl

(17:34):
from Mexico into the United States. The entire process, how
they were called ahead, who was bought off, which streets
they could go.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
On, routes. I mean, it's incredibly organized.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
And basically the guy that was doing the driving was
making the decision, Hey, this is life changing money for
my family. He was getting tens of thousands of dollars
and he decided that he was willing to take the
risk that he might get caught. He did not he
got in, got in through the border, or drove in
through the car. The whole article was about the different

(18:09):
ways that they store the drugs, where they put them
in cars, how they remake them. I mean, it is
a massive undertaking that they have put in place. When
I watched us blow up that boat, I had two thoughts. One,
every single narco terrorist in America is going to see
this footage, every single one of them, and it is

(18:32):
going to change the calculus in their mind of if
I get caught, I'm going to prison for several years.
Two I might get blown up and never know that
I am even in danger of getting blown up because
of United States technology.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
That was my first thought.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
My second thought was, boy, we better get this right
because nobody talked about it, but we've talked about it
on this program. Joe Biden just blew up a dad
and his whole family in Afghanistan. After the attack on
Abby Gate, the thirteen Marines who were killed, they decided, hey,

(19:13):
we're going to get back, and they found the wrong
guy and he was driving home with water in the
trunk of his car, and they blew up the whole
house and killed the whole family.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Well, well, they blew up the car, right, so, but.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
It also killed the family like he blew it up
when he pulled into the garage.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Or the house in Afghanistan. The difference that you could
argue with that, obviously it was a horrible mistake and
a number of people died as a result of it.
But the difference that you had with that was you
had the possibility of imminent threat, meaning they believe that

(19:51):
that was a svbied suicide vehicle born improvised explosive device.
They thought that's now they were very wrong and they
should have and the whole thing Biden and you know,
the Pentagon's still looking at this now. The withdrawal, it
was a mess. We lost marines. It's there was clearly
a lot that that went terribly wrong. But from a

(20:12):
law of war perspective, it's one thing to say I
thought this had an explosive in it and was going
to kill our people, Right, That's that's one.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's the risk assessment of that is, if it happens,
is awful for.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Under rules of engagement, that's an imminent immediate threat situation.
The mistake is what made it whore. If that had
been an SVB I D, we'd be saying, great work,
bal if that would be brilliant. Nobody would question that
a boat full of drugs. Now, I understand people are
going to say a few things about this. They're going

(20:49):
to say, designated a narco terrorists for trend to Aragua. Yes,
they're going to say that the cartels, and these are
all fair and accurate points, to be clear, but I'm
just laying this out. They're going to say that the
cartels are a clear and present danger like the movie,
but the cartels pose a clear and present danger to
the American people because of the I think it went

(21:11):
down under one hundred thousand recently, but it's roughly one
hundred thousand people you're dying from drug overdoses. And also,
to add to this, it's not just the drug overdoses,
it's the drug addiction, which leads to criminality and shootings
and violence. I mean, it is the mass poisoning of society. Yes,
And let me also add this. A lot of people
who and this is awful, are dying of drug overdoses

(21:34):
did not even consent to take drugs that they thought
were potentially that's right, they're poisoning. Right, They're being poisoned
because you're thinking, hey, and look, I want everybody's kids
to be careful on this. But you're thinking, hey, I'm
taking a party drug and it's lace with ventanyl and
the next thing you know, you're dead. You don't, you're
not even agreeing to the risk associated. These are not

(21:56):
necessarily even drug addicts. So I do think the poisoning element,
and here doesn't get talked about it now. And one
of this has been going on for a while. One
of the most stark moments in a conversation I was
having the first Trump administration with the then acting Attorney
General was on this issue. Clay at the OJ and
I spoke to some of the just to get a

(22:18):
sense of what's going on. Some of the DOJ officials
focusing in on this, specifically on the fentanyl and the cartels.
Then they said that they were making they imprint the
pills intentionally to look like pharmaceutical pills because they know
that the end based customer is going to say, oh,
I'm taking like a benzo or some kind of a

(22:40):
drug that can produce a high. They don't realize they're
taking fentanyl or car fentanyl or heaven knows what in
this pill, and that kills people. Right. This is where
the quote hot batch issue comes up. That's what they
call it. Okay, but it's not an imminence meaning this
boat is not about to kill a thousand people in
the next few minutes. Ye, this boat is capable of

(23:03):
being arrested and are you stopped and then the people
in it being arrested. But to your point, Trump administrations
decided they're designated, they're terrorists, they're killing Americans. Enough is enough.
But this is war tactic, this is not criminal justice tactic.
I would also point out this is law of the jungle. Yeah,

(23:25):
we off their I said, this is shivting somebody in
a line at a prison. You are basically sending a
message that is very public by the choice that you're making. Also,
I think this is directly connected to Maduro in Venezuela.
I think they want Maduro to know you are potentially next,

(23:50):
and I think they are letting him know that using
Venezuela as a narco terror state is not going to
be permitted. And so ultimately Lee, I think that they
chose this location to blow up that boat because they
want Maduro. Remember again not talked about a ton. Venezuela

(24:13):
seized billions of dollars in American company assets, I think
primarily Chevron if I'm if I'm remembering my reading on
this correctly, and took it over for the state, and
they have and this is one of the biggest oil
producing states in the world. And Maduro is an illegitimate
leader and he's taken over huge assets of American companies.

(24:36):
I think we want Maduro out, and I think we
are slowly screwing tightening the screws on Maduro. So Maduro,
and I always tell people this because I think it
really Maduro himself is considered not just the head of
the Venezuelan states. He's an authoritarian, he's a dictator, but
he's the head of a cartel. He's a he himself,

(24:57):
the actual premier, the actual leader of Venezuela is officially
by the United States Treasury Department a designated narco trafficker
and running it. And now what you see is that
this is and this is why people talk about Venezuela
as a failed state and so sad because it got
to this state. Don't ever forget this. It got to
this position because of socialism, because of redistribution of wealth,

(25:22):
because of envy, because of all these things that unfortunately,
this virus that continues to make its way, yes through
Latin America, but also into this country at different times
where if only you know, the rich get rinsed more,
everything will be better for everybody else but Clay. This
is how the Venezuelan elites, even with all the problems
they have, and I mean the true elites, the people

(25:42):
running the country, are funding their lifestyles and also staying
in power because they are generating huge amounts of cash
through selling drugs to America. They're killing people. This is
it's very Tom Clancy circa nineteen you know, nineteen ninety.
I mean, this is a moment where you're seeing the

(26:02):
United States government is taking the threat of the cartels
as more of a nation state level nons or sorry,
a nation state level terror sponsor threat. And that is
a whole other thing. And we haven't even talked about
what this could mean for the cartels in Mexico. We're
focused right now on Venezuela. I totally and I'm curious

(26:25):
to hear what people think.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Now.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Again, as long as you are one hundred percent certain,
and I trust Secretary of State Marco Rubio and I
trust Pete hag Seth. What you don't want to have
happen here is some families out on a jet boat
and the US just reiins down holy hell on them.
And this is where I think the media deserves fair criticism.

(26:49):
You've talked about this before. Buck Obama just took out
an American citizen. Uh and almost nobody even talks about
a sixteen year old with a drone.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
And then they said, oh, it's classified, nobody can talk
about it. He blew up a sixteen year old. It
was Alaki's son. Yeah, but you know, in DC, sixteen
year old murderers can't go to prison for more than
five years. But in this context under Obama, he just
blew them up.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
This is where I think a lot of you guys
and gals are gonna learn. Everybody out there that's like, oh,
I'm afraid of the FBI knocking on my door. I
think over the next generation, it's not going to be
somebody driving by your house and spraying guns in your
front window. People are going to start to use drones

(27:40):
for targeted criminal hits. And if you look, I mean look,
military technology eventually filters its way down to the general public,
often in some context. Look at the way Israel took
out all these Iranian scientists. I mean, it's really very
remarkable technologically. You'll see the whole building in Tehran still standing,
and they went in the side of a wall and

(28:02):
executed as scientist and the rest of the building was fine.
You don't think, and most people don't. Hey, one day
somebody's just gonna set a drone off and try to
kill me. I'm telling you, in the next generation, this
is gonna be something that we really have to have
real conversations about. You know the cartels are innovators in this. Yes,

(28:24):
Just to be clear, they've been doing this for a while.
The cartels have been using very basic commercial drones to
drop grenades, to drop it, and they've been doing it
for a decade, So this is going back quite some time.
And yeah, I think eventually, Clay, You're right, you will
see drive by at some point will turn into drone by.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
That will happen. I look out look.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I'm just saying, the technology here is such that you're
not even gonna have people committing violent acts against you
physically present. They're gonna be using technology to use it
against you. And that's my thoughts. When I watch this video,
I guarantee you every drug dealer in America and around
the world trying to get drugs to America is going

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Speaker 1 (31:06):
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Speaker 2 (31:10):
We are having a fantastic Wednesday, no matter even though
we have as many of you probably are dealing with
the official in many ways in the summer kids season.
Imagine a lot of you are getting your kids back
to school. There's a lot of different moving parts. We
played for you, some of the President with the President

(31:33):
of Poland in the Oval Office in the first hour,
and Buck, I'll take you behind the curtain here. I
don't know if I've told this story before, but I'll
tell you this story as we start off the second
hour here because it directly ties in with a clip
we're going to play for you. And if you missed
the teas Malcolm Gladwell probably I think the most famous

(31:57):
non fiction celebrity author in America. Would you buy into
that designation in terms of book sells? I don't know
that anybody would have sold more copies than him.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
It's him and Michael Lewis probably for our to go
to the last twenty years or so, those would be
the two that I think are. I met him in France,
by the way, for the iHeart event, So I actually
met mister Gladwell for the first we shook hands. I mean,
he wouldn't you know, He had no idea who I
was like, hey man, yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So I'm going to play a cut for him. I
imagine a lot of you have read his books. Tipping
Point is probably the most famous, but he's got a
ton of different books, and I think he has a
very popular podcast. So I would bet a huge percentage
of you are familiar with who Malcolm Gladwell is. So
let me take you behind the scenes a little bit here.
I sold my company out Kick, to Fox in twenty

(32:44):
twenty one. On Super Bowl Sunday twenty twenty one, we
made two million dollars in affiliate revenue for from fan
duel that is that Super Bowl Day. The company that
I ran, we and founded. We were one of the
top affiliates in the entire country. So if you were

(33:09):
watching Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers go up against Patrick
Mahomes Kansas City chiefs our company, and to a large
extent me made more money than anybody playing in that game.
On sports gambling affiliate referral deals, we were for FanDuel,
which is the biggest sports affiliate company sports gambling company

(33:31):
in the country. We were either their best or second
best affiliate partner in the country. Pat McAfee, who now
is at ESPN, was also wildly profitable for them. We
were their too best at helping to promote and I
love sports gambling obviously. We've got a great relationship with

(33:51):
Price Picks, which ties in here with that. We made
six seven million dollars a year on that deal. That
was important for us as a part of the company
sold the company. FanDuel said they wouldn't work with me anymore,
Buck because I was too outspoken on the trans sports issue.

(34:13):
This is a sports gambling company. They said, Clay is
too controversial because he is saying men should not be
competing in women's sports, and FanDuel is worried about the
controversy that he brings for being so outspoken on that issue.
As a result, FanDuel refused to work with me, and

(34:38):
as a result, refused to work without kick so me
merely saying men should not be able to compete in
women's athletics cost the company that I founded and owned
around seven million dollars a year. I don't know how

(34:58):
much money you guys make, but seven million dollars a
year for a media company is a big, huge part
of what allows the company to be profitable to employ
tons of people. But as a matter of principle, I said,
I'm not gonna stop talking about this, even though FanDuel
is saying, well, you're too controversial for saying this.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So the reason why I give you that backstory is.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It was even though it's one hundred percent the right
thing to say, it took hutzba It took sometimes turning
away from millions of dollars to say what I personally
believe to be true and allow the company to be
at the forefront of arguing this.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Is no, no, no, no, no no, not what you not
what you personally believe to be true, what is undeniably, unequivocally,
obviously and as clear as anything could be true, which
I think is important. You weren't penalized Clay for an
opinion you were peena for a fact, which is a

(36:02):
whole that is Soviet Union level stuff. That is, everyone
who is starving, say the grain harvest is the biggest
grain harvest of all time. That is a manufactured delusion,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And if you wonder why did people not step up
against this across all of sports, only OutKick and really
only met at the forefront of this. We're willing to
make this argument. It's because the big advertising partners out
there would grab you by the you know what and

(36:37):
they would squeeze if you tried to step out along.
This is the truth. Nobody else will even tell you this.
I'm telling you directly. Okay, Malcolm Gladwell came out. They
have a big sports conference, sports analytics conference at MIT,
and they had a bunch of famous Malcolm Gladwell has

(36:59):
a connection into sports. He's a big sports fan. He's
done sports related reporting and stories, and he and everybody
else on that panel at the I think it's the
Sloan Kettering MIT Institute or whatever, refused to speak out
against men competing in women's sports because the consequences were real.

(37:20):
What I just told you, it could cost your company
millions of dollars. It could cost you personally millions of dollars.
It could impact your employability. They were very targeted in
the way that they attacked here. And now he's come out.
This just happened yesterday, and Malcolm Gladwell says, hey, I
was bullied, I was cowed. I was afraid of the consequences.

(37:41):
And now I'm going to tell you the truth. Men
shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Listen if we.

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Did a replay of that exact panel at the SLUM
conference this coming March, it runs in exactly the opposite direction,
and it would be I suspect near unanimity in the
room that trans athletes have no place in the female category.
I don't think this is any question. I just think
it was a strange I mean, I felt.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I mean the.

Speaker 7 (38:08):
Reason I'm ashamed of my performance of that panel because
I share your position one hundred percent and I was
count is the idea of saying anything on this issue.
I was in a I believe in retrospect in a
dishonest way.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I was.

Speaker 7 (38:23):
I was objective in a dishonest way.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Okay, I give him credit for coming out and being
honest about this. I think this is so incredibly important
because there are consequences. Unfortunately, when you are willing to
speak the truth, I think your qualification is important there.
This is not This is not me arguing what the

(38:47):
tax rate in Moldova should be, and we're sitting around
and we're like, well, you know, this is his Dudes
are not chicks, and chicks are not dudes, and pretending
they are is a lot.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
That is what this is. Even in the world of sports.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It's beyond that black book because you're saying men don't
have a competitive advantage, or you're sitting around you're saying, well,
we have to do studies.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
No, men are bigger, stronger and faster than women. But
underlying all of it, underlying all of it, and this
has to be remembered, is that trans For example, and
this is usually what we're talking about in the sports context,
trans women are women indistinguishable and to be treated by
society and the law as women, indistinguishable from women in
all respects, even though they're not women. That is the

(39:29):
actual foundational mandatory belief of the trans movement, right, is
that they transplate what is the phrase trans women are women? Yeah,
this is what they say trans women are women and
that's why they should be able to play in women's sports.
That is a lie.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I think this is important though, and I see this everywhere,
and people who may not be involved in media, a
lot of you sit around you say, well, how did
this happen? It was if you were willing to speak
out on this issue. Advert Teiser said, I can't. I
won't work with this person anymore. And I'm talking about
a friggin sports gambling company. You think that it's a

(40:10):
coincidence that they're, of all companies, that should be one
that recognized, hey, men and women's sports is ridiculous. They
actually pushed back and they said, even though you, Clay
and your company have made us tens of millions of dollars,
which we had objective reality you could look at and say, hey,

(40:31):
people love this, they wouldn't spend money with us anymore.
And this is how they control what people say, because
most people are not willing to give up the money.
They just pretend this story didn't exist. It wasn't that
everybody was as outspoken and as Gladwell is saying there,

(40:52):
it was just that a lot of companies just pretended
this didn't happen, or they would say, as they still say, now,
I don't know why you care about that? What you
even care? It doesn't happen that often. It's not that
big of a well, this is always that. This is
always the progression. Right, it's not happening. It's not happening
that much.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Why do you care? Okay, it's happening. It's happening a
little bit. Uh to, It's good. It's happening. Shut your face.
We're in charge now. And this is this is this
was COVID, this is trans this is this is that
is the the slippery slope of leftism in America today.
It has to progressivism, it has to progress The argument

(41:28):
always has to go to the next level. And it's
all based on lies, because of course it is happening,
because they know what's happening, and they know it's wrong,
and they know they want to do more of it,
but they use an incrementalist strategy to chip away at
things and for Gladwell to come out now, Clay, yeah,
because everything has changed. Now now you can say it. Yeah,
now you can actually because.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
People like me spoke out so hard and took the
slings and arrows I will say, Buck, I give him
some credit for acknowledging he was wrong, because what a
lot of people are gonna do is they're gonna await
another couple of years, and they're gonna come They're gonna say, well,
everybody knew this was ridiculous all along, and and then
that they never actually argu otherwise.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I mean that's particularly gross, right, But that will happen.
I think that that is true. Five years from now.
There will not be a single man in America who
will say I ever thought it was okay? Oh no, no,
men pretending to be women were competing. I disagree with that.
There will be people, Clay, There are people that will
take this to the very end, and they think that
they can get a rebound with this in time. All

(42:29):
they have to do that. They think that they will
find their way back into power, back into the culture.
Twenty percent of the country is never going to abandon this.
Twenty percent of the country is certifiably insane. I mean
they think that Kamala Harris was a good candidate and
Joe Biden's brain was working. These people are nuts.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Well I say this, I mean people who are actual
sports fans, right, because I understand on some level if
you stay, if you don't know anything about sports and
you think, like, hey, maybe Serena Williams is better than
Roger Federer at tennis, maybe they should play and maybe
the woman would win. I actually give them a pass
because they're so clueless on the difference of biology. But

(43:08):
any man I mean this honestly, any man who has
ever played a high school, college, and certainly a pro
sport knows that the idea of men being able to
compete in women's sports was, on its face, laughably absurd.
And where it matters is if they can get you
to argue that, or if they can get you to
stay silent on that, they can keep advancing the UH,

(43:31):
the the the left wing agenda because they cowed you
into silence.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Yeah, you well, and you're you've you've basically become complicit
in your own cowardice UH and your own silencing. And
if they can get you to say something that's that crazy,
they can get you to say anything. That's the whole point.
If they can get you to believe this, they can
get you to believe that you know that the sky
is purple, and you know the the earth is u

(43:56):
is flat and you name it. And that's that's a
very powerful tool of psychological manipulation, because it's degrading. When
the state or when society forces you to mouth a lie,
to say the slogans that they demand that you know
are false, it degrades you psychologically. Yeah. The point they
do this in alttalitarian regimes, by the way, and they

(44:18):
do it purposefully. Yeah, and let me say this too.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I think the one thing I will say additionally in
favor of Gladwell is this, I think America would be
far better if we all acknowledge when we.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Get things wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I don't think that anybody out there listening expects for
you or me to get everything right. I think when
we claim that we never get anything wrong, it actually
delegitimizes the things that we get right. And I do
think Malcolm Gladwell coming out and saying yes, it's convenient now. Yes,
the consequences and the stakes and the punishment for being

(44:54):
on the quote unquote wrong side of the ledger on
this issue are much demnimized because we want this battle
so far. But I do think being willing to acknowledge
we've said it like I said, it was gonna be
a red tsunami in twenty twenty two. Didn't get it.
I had to wear it like I was wrong. Now,
we got a lot right about the twenty twenty four election.

(45:14):
But I don't think people out there trusted us less
because you got something wrong, because everybody gets things wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
And that's a prediction too. Yeah, there's a difference between
a prediction, which is inherently uncertain, and telling a lie. Yes,
one goes to analysis and nobody's perfect. Another goes to
you're selling out and a lot of people I will
tell you almost I know one sold out. I won't
name them because I don't. I don't. People can always,

(45:39):
even people on the other side, if they asked to
speak to me in confidence, keep it. I keep confidence.
I know some prominent Democrats in the media, Clay who
would say to me offline, oh, the trance thing is crazy,
but the agenda's crazy. But I can't say it because
my side would eat me alive. Yep, yep. We'll talk.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
We'll take some of your calls. Maybe some of you
want to react to that. Also, we want to talk
about the arrest that happened in England, which I actually
think is connected to wrong think, which Malcolm Gladwell was
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Speaker 1 (47:08):
You don't know what? You don't know right, but you should.
On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast, we
are joined by Ben Shapiro, the founder of the Daily
Why Ben Shapiro Podcast. New book Lions and Scavengers, The
True Story of America and her Critics, released yesterday. Ben,

(47:30):
appreciate you joining us, Thanks for being here, A lot
to talk to you about.

Speaker 9 (47:34):
Thanks for taking the time. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Well, let's I want to dive into this one. I
feel like you're I feel like you're gonna have pretty
sure you're gonna have some things to say on this.
Uh not not hard to find topics they to talk
talk with you about. But cold Play, Now, we could
sit here and we could just make jokes about how
cold Play somehow went from cool to the band that
even people who love Nickelback feel comfortable making fun of. Now,

(47:59):
I think I think that's fair. But Coldplay had a
concert going on, and Chris Martin, the lead singer of
cold Play, brought some people up on the stage. Now
we have this sound, we have this audio. Let's let
everyone here. So this is the lead singer of cold
Play in front of I don't know, sixty thousand people,
one hundred thousand, whatever it is. Whatever, however many people

(48:19):
are in this arena. And here's how it goes. When
he invites some just people listeners on the stage of
them play it. Oh, I thought I thought we had
this one in the mix. I'm sorry, producer Mark, tell
me which one we have this uploaded as when you
get a second, uh and and there we go. Let's

(48:41):
play it from Israel. Okay, okay, I'm treating you as
goodness of why you think of the B and B

(49:14):
so just for everyone. It's kind of hard to hear
that audio a little bit, but the lead singer says,
you're here as humans. Thank you for being here as humans,
and also thank you to all the Palestinians in the audience.
That's kind of a weird way to approach this. Ben.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
Yeah, well, as I've said, you know, the Yiddish word
for him is schmuck. He's he's terrible. I mean, when
when your second worst decision actually is marry Gwyneth Paltrow,
you know things are going wrong for you. But Chris
Martin doing this routine here. Can you imagine any other
group of people that he would do this for, truly,
think of the situation reversed. You have a couple of people.
He calls him up on stage, he says, where are

(49:46):
you from? And they say the Gaza Strip and he says, well,
I just want to make clear you're humans. So first
of all, Chris Martin is not the person who gets
to bestow humanity upon you. Chris Martin that he's not
a cold Play fan. We've got here, mister Shapiro, but go.

Speaker 9 (50:01):
Ahead, yeah, no, cold Play sucks.

Speaker 8 (50:02):
But also like the idea that he's going to like
knight you as a human because you have come to
a cold Play concert and then to immediately swivel and say,
oh yeah. And by the way, the people who are
on the other side of the war from the people
they're on the side of and who initiated, you know,
the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. We got
some of those in the stadium as well, And I
just want to acknowledge it if this weren't Palestinians and

(50:23):
they came up and said, we're from the Gaza Strip.
Can you imagine a situation in which Chris Martin then
turns around and says, and also to all the Israelis
in the audience, and it's cont for all the Israelis,
and that we're so happy to see you here, no
way in hell. It just shows you that default leftism
at this point has just turned to a sort of
anti Israel pro hamas Gaza sympathetic stands, and that that's

(50:47):
why he feels uncomfortable. I mean, that's the real question
we should be asking, is why does he feel so
damn uncomfortable?

Speaker 9 (50:52):
Like who cares?

Speaker 8 (50:52):
He's got a couple of fans they come from Israel.
If I were giving a concert and somebody came up
and they said, I'm from Russia. Okay, when you start
lecturing them aout the Russia Ukraine War, it's bizarre.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
We're talking to Ben Shapiro. Ben, we were talking the
last hour about the Graham Lenihan situation in England. Five
of the armed officers waiting for him as he comes
off the airplane over tweets that the British government deemed
worthy of investigation. How do we fix this? Because I
think Western civilization, if we are in the position where

(51:26):
countries that should be natural American allies are sending police
to investigate tweets. And I'm not talking about tweets where
you say, hey, I'm going to kill the president of
the United States. Obviously direct threats of violence are different,
but clear jokes.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
How do we fix this?

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Well, I mean, I think that there are definitely levers
of pressure that we can exert on the UK. I
think that obviously we have a lot of the military cooperation,
economic cooperation with the UK, and President Trump is very
fond of using leverage in a lot of these different situations,
up to and including things like, for example, tariffs. I
don't think that would be a bad policy here saying
to the UK, listen, we cannot do proper commerce with

(52:04):
the country that, by the way, will actually pass laws
that have an effect on American commerce because whatever is
the free speech code in Britain, which apparently does not
include bad old tweets. If that is the standard, they
will apply that to tech companies in the United States.
They'll apply that to x they will apply that to Facebook.
This has been like a very hot and fraught topic
for the tech companies, the social media companies. How do

(52:26):
you even operate in countries in Europe that have different
speech standards. If it is now going to be a
prosecutable offense if you tweet something, then how exactly is
Twitter supposed to set its policies for the United States
your point? And so I do think that the government
does have some areas of leverage here, but it does
more deeply speak to this cultural rot at the heart
of Western civilization. Now that the kind of importation of

(52:49):
people who hate the principles of the country and then
a pandering to precisely those principles. Because the same exact
country that is now prosecuting a comedian for making bad
tweets over trans topics is the same country that covered up,
you know, actual Muslim grooming gangs in the UK, and
that is currently, by the way, attempting to now import
apparently thousands of gozzins from the Gaza strip. That's something

(53:12):
that was announced by Eva Cooper, the Home Secretary, literally yesterday.
So good luck to civilization that is so intent on
committing suicide.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
My goodness, talk to us, Ben if you would, about
the book, which I know just came out yesterday, and
it's got a premise that this audience is going to
want to hear about lions and scavengers. The true story
of America walk us through a little bit of.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
This, sure, So this is the basic idea, is that
humanity at this point is divided between lions, people who
wish to build, who wish to uphold and strengthen important
institutions like family, church, bounce of power, private property. Those
are the lions, the people who wish to build and
make the world a better place. And then there are scavengers,
people who are creatures of envy who just want to
tear everything down. They see problems in their life, they
attribute it to the systems that they've actually benefited from,

(53:55):
and then decide they want to tear it down. And
one of the points that I make in the book
is that this is just a question of populations and groups,
it's also a question inside the human heart that every
morning we all have to get up and decide whether
to be a lion or a scavenger. We all have
problems in our life, so we decide to attribute that
to some outside conspiratorial malign force and then tilted windmills
and make our life force. Or do we decide to

(54:16):
get up and actually make our life better by taking
the duty bound moral action that day. A civilization that
takes the lions, the innovators, the defenders of the civilization,
the people who build the social fabric, and then basically
attacks them because they are too successful, because they're the
oppressors or the exploitative, is a civilization doomed to failure.

(54:36):
And I think that we are as a civilization facing
that possibility.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Ben, how should we handle Buck and I were just
talking about this, and I do think in the wake
of COVID and in the wake of so much cultural shift.
I'm sure you saw Malcolm Gladwell come out and say, hey,
basically I got everything wrong on the trans issue. Of course,
shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports, But he

(55:03):
said at the Sloan Conference at MIT the exact opposite.
A few years ago on a panel, I shared that
there were direct consequences for me and my media company
when it comes to companies that would advertise with us
or not because I said the truth that men shouldn't
be able.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
To compete with women.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
But if you are on the wrong side of that
issue or any issue, public statements like Gladwell, how should
we take them convenient and real or is this an
attempt to acknowledge that all humans get things wrong and
sometimes we should publicly point that out.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
So you know, I think that forgiveness is usually the
better alternative here, like man magnanimity in victory, I think
is probably the best alternative. But now he's in a
trustment verify situation. If we run up against another one
of these things and Gladwell takes the wrong side of it,
then I think it's fair to ask him the question,
are you doing this because of the public pressure that
you are receiving, because obviously you've done that before. I

(56:00):
think it's better we actually want to incentivize people to
do this right, just as a movement. We want to
incentivize people to come forward and say I got it wrong.
I never should have caved to this sort of pressure,
and we want to create incentive structure so they don't
cave to the pressure again. If we just kind of
take their apology and then bootstump them, then what we
are actually doing is encouraging people not to reverse themselves,
not to correct the mistakes of the past.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Well, Ben, I have a couple of just grab bag
but important questions to throw your away as well and
remember everyone, Ben's book has just come out yesterday and
it is Lions and Scavengers. So Ben, first of all,
because you would have some experience with this, because of
your friend and colleague, mister Matt Walsh, Kamala Harris is
going to Clay's hometown of Nashville to give a book tour,

(56:44):
and the audience seems very the audience of this show
is very convinced that it is Clay's duty. I would
argue his duty to wear a Future Is Female t
shirt and put his hair up in a Matt Walsh
homage style man bun and go to the VIP section
of the Kamala book tour event in Clay's hometown of Nashville.

(57:05):
Where do you, sir, as also someone who spends a
lot of time in Nashville, come down on this issue.

Speaker 8 (57:10):
I mean, I'm shocked that you're even asking the question.
Of course, he has a moral, perhaps a biblical obligation
to do that. Actually, I would say that he may
be consigned to the everlasting flims of Hell if he doesn't.
I think that that's on the table. If he doesn't
do this, I think that pretty clearly he has to
do it.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
No I just I just wanted Ben to get on
the record with millions of people listening Clay that this
the future's female t shirt. We know what the future
is of this mission. And now Ben has weighed in
heartily on the side of the audience and yours truly,
which is I think this needs to happen.

Speaker 9 (57:40):
And God himself, God himself.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
I'm not sure where it's actually written in the Bible,
but if you have to bet, put it in Leviticus.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Five hundred dollars is the cheapest ticket to go watch
Kamala Harrison Nashville, which I still can't believe, and it
goes all the way up to twenty seven hundred play
you're super rich. Give me a break.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
One more thing on this though, Ben, because because he
help us with us, Clay and I have a little
bet going, we're not gonna able to solve it for
a while. Is Kamala Harris going to run again for president?
We will mark this down. We will have this clip
for you when you come back in a few years,
and we know the answer. Is she gonna run again?
Or was it too disastrous? And she even she knows it.

Speaker 8 (58:16):
Yeah, not in twenty twenty eight, I mean, there are
so many wineries in California, she has to get through first.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
That's good line, all right.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
So here's a here's a big, big picture of question.
This is what my book, which is out in November,
that I've spent a lot of time grappling with. I know,
you've got young kids, I've got the three boys. How
do Democrats, Like, let's leave aside a big structural issues
that they clearly have, but how do Democrats get back

(58:44):
to where men, just normal dudes, do not see their
party as a party of feminized absurdity? How do they
get back to where a regular guy who wants to
have a beer and go watch a game would vote Democrat?
Because I think that's the biggest issue that they actually face.
Leaving aside the particulars of what their policies are, what

(59:07):
would you think they need to do?

Speaker 8 (59:08):
I mean, the fact that we even have to ask
the question means that there's not really an easy way
out for them, because that's like, how do you cosplay masculinity?
And the answer is, I mean, you really don't have
to if you're just a dude. So how about you
start with men should not play in women's sports?

Speaker 9 (59:23):
Duh?

Speaker 8 (59:23):
Men are not women, and a rama manual actually is
now coming out and saying that, how about you, like
just go act in the world as a man and
get caught on camera acting in the world as a
man unapologetically. You don't have to ask President Trump for
j Evans what it's like to be a man, because
they're just doing kind of man things, which doesn't that's
I'm not even talking about, like picking up heavy weights
and walking around bare Chester or something like being a

(59:44):
normal dude. Actually, isn't that difficult for those of us
who are dudes. But Democrats seem to have a very
tough time with that, and they keep apologizing for it.
By the way, got to give you big credit right
there at Clay for pumping your own book in a
spot where you're supposed to be pumping mine. That is
a bold movie going.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
To call you out for that. But I'm glad he's
got a book.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Ben has got a book Scavengers and Lions. I encourage
you to all buy it while you're there. My book
is called Balls. It's not out till November, but you
can pre order it and you can buy them together,
which seems like a brilliant idea. By the way, bunks
got a book out in January, can get three books
at one time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's just brilliant. It's just the brilliant spundle of one line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
You know better than anybody been. You have to be
shameless to cut through the noise.

Speaker 9 (01:00:28):
Always be closing, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Oh yeah, the books. One last thing for you. Also
helping us settle another bet, the greatest fictional children's series
of all time, Chronicles of Narnia or the Little you
Know Wizard Boy Books by Harry k Rowling Harry Potter.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
So, I mean, honestly, I'd go off off the board.
There's a there's a series called the Edward Eager series
that is fantastics from the fifties that that's worth three.
But you gotta go Chronicles of Narnia boom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Having said that, Travis, I mean, does.

Speaker 9 (01:00:59):
Its religious thematics? Come on? I mean, you're learning, like
reading about lions.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
It's cool. I You're both are wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
It's good. I enjoyed it. But Harry Potter's better. Doesn't
jk Rowling deserve a lot of credit. She's a billionaire.
She didn't need to step into the gender identity battles.
But she just couldn't keep her mouth shut because she
saw this as being foundational in many ways. I find
her to be one of the true heroes. We talked
about the comedians getting arrested in Britain, but I find

(01:01:26):
her to be one of the true heroes actually right now,
totally unexpectedly. I never would have would have anticipated this occurring.
I totally agree with this. I mean, she really did
not have to put herself out there, and the fact
that she did and then she's on Twitter every day
defending it in the most aggressive way.

Speaker 9 (01:01:42):
She's awesome. Like, really, kudos to her.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Ben Shapiro's book is out and it is Lions and Scavengers,
and get yourself a copy and maybe pick up other
books as you go. We'll leave that up to you,
but go get Lions and Scavengers. Ben, thanks for making
the time for us.

Speaker 9 (01:01:56):
Thanks guys, appreciate it.

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