September 29, 2025 • 59 mins
Cocky Comey
Former FBI Director James Comey faces two felony indictments in Northern Virginia for alleged perjury related to the Russia collusion investigation. Clay plays Comey’s past CNN remarks dismissing accountability and contrasts them with the current reality. Vice President JD Vance weighs in, emphasizing that the indictment was not politically motivated despite the deep-blue jury pool. Clay questions whether prosecutors can secure a conviction given the venue and judge but calls the indictment a major step toward accountability.
Charlie Kirk Awakening
Clay Travis dives into a major political bombshell and cultural flashpoints shaping the national conversation. The hour opens with breaking news that ESPN and SEC Network analyst Paul Finebaum is seriously considering a run for the U.S. Senate in Alabama, following Senator Tommy Tuberville’s decision to pursue the governorship. Clay shares exclusive details from his in-depth weekend interview with Finebaum, revealing how the assassination of Charlie Kirk profoundly influenced Finebaum’s thinking about America’s future. Finebaum, a household name in college football, expressed frustration with cultural decline and confirmed he’s weighing a move from sports media to politics—a decision Clay predicts could “land like a neutron bomb” in both sports and political circles.
Listeners hear Finebaum’s candid remarks about his motivations, including his disillusionment with corporate media after Disney blocked him from interviewing President Trump in 2019, despite ESPN’s frequent access to Barack Obama. Clay underscores the cultural double standard and praises Finebaum’s courage in publicly acknowledging he’s a Trump voter—something virtually unheard of among current ESPN personalities. This revelation sparks a broader discussion about cancel culture, free speech, and the growing movement of Americans refusing to stay silent.
Just Be Sane
New York City Mayor Eric Adams dropping out of the race, ongoing fallout from James Comey-related charges, and reactions to J.K. Rowling’s comments on the transgender debate. Clay also touches on a shocking attack on a Latter-Day Saints church in Michigan, being investigated as a possible terror incident.
Listeners weigh in on political polarization, with fiery calls about whether friendships can survive across party lines. Clay pushes back against the idea of cutting off friends over politics, arguing that persuasion—not isolation—is key to winning elections. He draws parallels between political outreach and religious evangelism, stressing the importance of engaging with those who disagree.
Sports and culture also take center stage as Clay responds to criticism of his belief that sports fans are rational and vital in cultural battles, using examples like Riley Gaines’ fight for fairness in women’s sports. He argues that abandoning cultural arenas like sports only cedes ground to the Left.
Middle East Peace?
Live coverage of Trump’s remarks, highlighting his call for Palestinian leadership to reject terrorism and embrace reform, and his insistence that lasting peace requires security for Israel and opportunity for Palestinians. Clay underscores the historic stakes of this proposal and promises continued analysis as developments unfold.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. You
have got me solo this week as Buck is in Taiwan.
Hopefully China doesn't invade this week. That would be quite
the reporting from Buck over there. But in all seriousness,
he is in Taiwan. He will be back next week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I've got you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Guys this week solo, as there is a ton of
news that is going on right now in real time.
I hope all of you had fantastic weekends. I was
down in Athens, Georgia, saw the Great Georgia Bulldog team
lose its thirty three game home winning streak to Alabama,
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and also interviewed Paul Finbaum. Will play a little bit
of that for you. If you are a college football fan,
you certainly know who Paul Finebaum is. He told me
in an exclusive sit down interview that he is potentially
going to run for senate in Alaha, Babama. That story
is going to ricochet around everywhere, and trust me, there's
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more coming there. We'll maybe get into that a little
bit in the hours that we have to spend ahead,
but let me kind of set the table on all
of the craziness and zaniness that is underway right now.
President Trump is trying to get a Middle East peace
accord relating to Gaza. Nearly two years after the October seventh,
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twenty twenty three Hamas attack on the innocent people of Israel.
The fallout has now continued for nearly two years. The
war in the Middle East there has gone on for
nearly two years, Net and Yahoo. Right now at the
White House meeting with President Trump, there are reports that
there is a twenty one point piece packed that the
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United States is trying to get agreed to by both
Hamas and Israel that would bring this or to a close.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So that is going on right now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
There is potentially and you guys know that I kind
of roll my eyes over this because I don't know
necessarily that very much changes, but there is potentially going
to be a shutdown of the federal government. Some of
you are like, Yay, why don't we shut it down
more frequently? October first, that would go into effect if
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we do not get essentially an agreement worked out in
the next I don't know what, thirty six hours or so,
then the federal government would shut down. My general proposition
on government shutdowns is they've happened so many times over
the last twenty five or thirty years that no one
really cares that forty years, I guess, going back to
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the Clinton arrow was the first time I remember the
whole government shutdown process turning into a big political issue.
Eventually they get a worked out solution, but a lot
of people want to tell you that there is going
to be substantial drama there. Eric Adams has dropped out
of the New York City mayor's race. There are three
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primary races that are scheduled to take place in a
little over a month. Mayor of New York City, Governor
of New Jersey, Governor of Virginia. In the first real
test to see what if anything, has shifted in the
one year since Trump was elected as President of the
United States. Eric Adams again the current mayor of New
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York City, dropping out. That leaves Curtis Leewa and Andrew
Cuomo as the competition running against Mam Donnie Mamdanni is
a big favorite right now if you look at the
prediction markets to be elected, and it would need to
be a one v one battle in New York City
for this to turn into anything of any substantial significance.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
JK. Rolling in terms of the closeness of that race. JK.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Rowling, who might be my favorite public celebrity in the
world right now, just went scorched Earth nuclear bomb style
on Emma Thompson, who played Hermione Granger in all the
Harry Potter movies, over trans related issues. I'm going to
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read you some of that because I read it this
morning as I was drinking my Crocket coffee and I
just thought, man, I didn't even need coffee this morning.
I just needed Harry Potter author JK. Rowling to jump
into did I say, Emma Thompson Emma Watson. Emma Thompson
is also a British actress, isn't she a lot older?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All right, well that's a whiff by me right out
of the gate, Emma Watson. I don't know how many
of you caught that, but thanks to the team for
being on top of that. Yeah, Emma Thompson, much older,
probably much less famous British actors I believe as well.
But yes, Emma Watson who played Hermione Granger in all
of the Harry Potter movies. So I want to start, however,
with an awful story that happened yesterday in the state
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of Michigan, a Mormon church was burned down, four people
were killed. Caroline Levitt went on I believe this was
Fox and Friends this morning to talk about what we
know about that Michigan shooting, about that latest attack on
religion in the United States. A church burned basically to
the ground and four innocent people killed. This is what
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Caroline Levitt had to say.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
We know at this.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Point in time is that he was a member of
this Michigan community, that he is a veteran of our
United States Armed Forces. He serves in the United States
Marine Corps in Iraq. His family is cooperating with the FBI,
and so they are currently trying to dig in and
get to the bottom of why he committed. There's just
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this heinous act of violence. It's unfathomable. And as the President.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Rightfully put in his true social yesterday, this appears to
be yet another targeted attack on Christians, and the Trump
administration is fully committed to not only investigating these crimes,
but prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law,
but also working very hard to prevent them.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, so we will continue to monitor that story as well.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
There are tons of different things underway right now, Middle
East peace with the White House, potential government shut down,
And this is probably the story that got the most
attention during the course of the weekend. It is the
charges against James Comy, and I wanted to play this.
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Comy actually did an interview with CNN right before he
got indicted. This is back in May, saying he was
never able to get me. Here is Comy taunting Trump.
This is cut eight and again. Two felony indictments in
northern Virginia in a blue area that would be very
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favorably disposed to James Comy. But listen to how cocky
he was about believing that there would be no concert
coinsist for his actions.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Cut eight.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, I'm still considered a villain in Maga world. I
hope I said that correctly. Although I've offended enough people
in Maga world it doesn't matter at this point. I'm
not sure exactly why that is. I often joke on
the relationship that Trump can't get over wakes up in
the middle of the night thinking about me and how
I'm living my best life. I think it has some
combination of I really have had a happy, productive life
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since then, and then I spoke out about him and
that despite their absolute best efforts, they were never able
to get me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, a little bit spoke too soon.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He should have maybe started to high step into the
end zone, NA, seeing that you still had one defender left,
and he got flattened right before he was going into
the end zone when he thought the statute of limitation
was going to run out. I haven't heard very many
people talk about this. We talked about it on the
program and the immediate aftermath of the indictment. This is
deep blue Alexandria Virginia. For those who of you who
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know the DC area, well, Northern Virginia very much of
a connected hotspot for the Democrat Party based on his
proximity to Washington, d C. It's not as if they
went to my home state of Tennessee or Alabama, or
West Virginia or Wyoming, some state that overwhelmingly voted for
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President Trump and got an indictment. Not only did they
go to a state that Trump lost, they at Virginia.
We also have five points. They went into the bluest
part of that state, one of the bluest parts in
the country. And I think this should be hammered home more.
I give jd Vance credit here. He's one of the
few that has been pointing this out for everybody out
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there saying, oh, this is unbelievable, this is unprecedent. We
know they're liars. They didn't say anything when they tried
to bankrupt in prison and kill Trump. But even if
you wanted to make an argument that this was some
sort of unprecedented attack on norms of American life, that's
already happened with what Democrats did, but they did it
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in a rigged jury pool that advantaged them massively. We
got these double indictments coming down in northern Virginia where
likely the majority of the people on the grand jury,
probably the vast majority this is seventy five to twenty
five area that is in favor of the Democrat Party.
The vast majority of these grand jurors that indicted James
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Comey were actually Kamala Biden Obama voters. Here's jd Vance
pointing that out cut eleven, this was.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
A grand jury indictment delivered in Alexander and Virginia, not
exactly a hotbed of Donald Trump's political support. And to
the people who are saying that this is all political.
I mean, look, if you look at our track record
in the Trump administration, there have been people who have
been prosecuted who have been political allies who agree with
our politics. There have been people who disagree with our politics.
We're not letting politics drive this. We're letting the requirements
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of the justice system and the law drive this. And
unfortunately for James Comy, when I look at this indictment,
I see a guy who lied under oath, and he'll
have his dan court, he'll have his opportunity to prove
the other case in front of the jury. But the
idea that this is driven by politics, I think is preposterous.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So I think Jade van' is exactly right now. I
still would argue that it's unlikely that we're going to
see a conviction of James Comy because the jury pool
is going to be a seventy five percent probably Biden
Kamala voting jury pool, and I think at least one
of those jurors will say, I'm not convicting James Comy
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because I hate President Trump, and they're not going to
look at the actual facts here. Also, we've got an
Obama appointed judge who I believe is going to be
very favorably disposed towards James Comy. Having said all of that,
Lindsey Halligan getting a double indictment here right before the
statute of limitations expires is huge. And here is and
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I want to talk about some of this. Here is
where this can become a much more significant factor going
forward if they are able to get someone to testify
against James Comy. Is there someone out there in the
FBI who has seen the light of day and is
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willing to tell the truth and knows that James Comy
was encouraging leaks or leaking himself related to this Russia
collusion hoax. Remember that is what he is being prosecuted for,
not even necessarily the leaks, but just potentially perjuring himself
under testimony in front of Congress. The only ways that
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you can prove perjury right are circumstantial evidence, that is,
all of the other factors that prove that someone knowingly
lied surrounding the lie or and this is a part
of the circumstantial evidence, but direct evidence from someone who
knows that Komy was lying, someone who is testifying that
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Comy knew that his testimony was dishonest, untrue, in front
of the UH, in front of that Congressional committee. That
to me is one of the questions that I have
out here. How are they going to put this case together.
It's a challenging case, it's a challenging judge, it's a
challenging jury pool. But Lindsay Halligan getting that indictment where
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she did up against the timeframe is an incredible accomplishment
by her UH, and I do think has set the
table for there to be consequences for all of these
acts that were put in place against President Trump. All right,
no guest schedule today, eight hundred and two two two
eight A two. We'll take a bunch of your calls,
a bunch of your talkbacks. Appreciate all of you again.
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Tons of different current event stories that we are monitoring,
including a hearing related to the Charlie Kirk assassination that
is also taking place out in Utah that we will
be on top of as well. So a lot of
different breaking news stories. We're going to keep you updated
on all of them as we roll through. And in
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Speaker 1 (14:46):
Erica Adams dropping out of the New York City's mayoral
race as well as the James Comy charges fallout, a
lot of news out there, and I made some news
that is starting to ricochet around owned the political universe
as well, just in the last few hours. So let
me kind of take you into an interview that I
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did over the weekend. So I went down for the
Georgia Alabama game in Athens. Had an amazing time hanging
out and meeting many of you all over the place.
Congratulations to Alabama. Turns out they're still pretty good at football.
They beat Georgia Electric Environment Sandford Stadium. It was, it
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was fantastic. I did a couple of interviews longer form.
We may share some clips from them with Paul Feinbaum,
and that's what I'm talking about today. I also talked
with Senate candidate in Georgia Derek Dooley, who is a
friend of mine, former football coach, running to try to
beat John Assoff in the competitive Georgia Senate race down there,
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So we may have a couple of cuts for that
for you later in the week as well. We did
two what I would say long form interviews. I talked
with Paul Finebaumb for an hour. Now, some of you
are going to immediately know who Paul Finebaumb is. He
is a SEC Network ESPN analyst, longtime radio guy, hosts
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a multi hour daily SEC Network show. If you watch
a ESPN at all, he's regularly on First Take with
Steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I've known Paul for twenty years. So I got started
in radio through writing in local Some of you been
listening to me since I did local sports talk radio
in my hometown of Nashville, and I was employed back
in the day on one oh four five of the
Zone in Nashville doing a daily sports talk show, and
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Paul was employed in Birmingham, Alabama, doing a daily sports
talk show as well, and we were both employed by
a company called Cumulus. They dominated sports talk in Birmingham
and dominated sports talk in Nashville. And so I've known
Paul for twenty years. Some of you listening to me
right now all over the state of Alabama, you've heard
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me go on fine Baum Show back in the day
quite a lot. So we had a one hour long
sit down, and as part of that conversation, many of
you know because Tommy Tubberville, who's been on this show
a great number of times, is giving up his Senate
seat to run for governor of Alabama. There is an
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open Senate seat in Alabama. And I'm truth be told.
Let mean just I'll just tell you everything. I have
had a lot of conversations with a lot of people
in Alabama about what's going to happen with that senate.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
See.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I talked to Bruce Pearl about it. A great deal.
Auburn men's basketball coach Bruce Pearl, he's been on this program.
He's a great friend of mine. He really seriously thought
about running. He has stepped down as a college basketball
coach at Auburn. He's basically going to be now the
mayor of Auburn. He's not running told me that he
had had similar Paul Finebum conversations with Bruce Pearl. We're
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all friends, and he wasn't going to run if Bruce
Pearl was gonna run. But Bruce Pearl said, you know what,
I'm not gonna do it. And Paul and I had
conversations and he said, hey, Clay, I'm thinking about doing this.
And I said, okay, well, let's kind of walk through it.
And he said, what's the best way that I could
let people know that I'm serious about this? And I said, well,
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how about you sit down with me and we have
a long form discussion and we'll get into it. And
that full long form discussion is going to go up tomorrow.
Uh but Paul, we are going to release a couple
of clips. You'll see me talking about it on Fox
News with Will Kine. This just came out. I think
Paul's gonna run. This is my opinion based on my
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conversations with him. He could certainly change his mind, but
I would encourage you guys to go listen to the
full conversation. But here is the specific part about why. Now,
why is Paul Feinbaum thinking about giving up sports and
going and running for the Senate in Alabama.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Here was his.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Answer, Well, you're sitting there talking to Steven A. Smith
and you and as you're waiting for your turn, you're thinking,
I wonder if I should move forward on this. So
it's it's it's a it's been a it's been going
on for a couple of days or if not weeks,
and it's just hard to chisel it down to make
an educated decision. But to say I'm considering it, of course, yes,
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there's it's something that I can't say I've dreamed about.
I can't say I've thought about. I'm not a career
politician who had it all mapped out. This is something
that just came to me. And it's also very late,
and I don't know quite how to deal with it.
But as far as your question, you know, would I
give up what I'm doing?
Speaker 10 (19:48):
I would? I would I would have to.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the question in there was what is part of
the motivating factor? And maybe we can get a little
bit more of that clip he said, Charlie Kirk, And
I do think and you may have experienced this in
your own life, because I know how many of you
were impacted. I think a lot of people, no matter
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what they do for a living.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You could be a.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sports talk radio show host at ESPN, You could be
a garbage truck driver in Spokane, Washington. Listening to us
right now, you could be a truck driver in northern Virginia.
It really seriously made a lot of people contemplate what's
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going on in the country and how all of us
could do more to try and make things better. And
I think that is one of the most motivating factors
for Paul Feinbaum right now. And I'll give you a
little bit of a preview of our conversation. Paul goes
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around to college campmpuses for the SEC Network every weekend,
and he meets a lot of college kids because the
kids show up for the crowd at the events that
he does, and in talking with him, what he saw
happened to Charlie made it very hard for him to think,
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I want to continue to just do sports for the
rest of my career. And I think the reason he
wanted to sit down with me is I made that
decision several years ago. COVID was my motivating factor. You
guys know, I still love sports. I still talk a
lot about sports. I think it's important to go to
where people are culturally and connect with them. So I
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still do a lot of sports because I think you
can really connect with people in speaking their common language
where they are, as opposed to trying to drag everybody
into politics all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And I made that decision.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I feel fortunate to have the boss Julie Talbot that
we do, because she really got me by saying, you
could do sports talk radio for the rest of your
life and not have the impact that you would have
in six months of doing this show that we do now.
And so if you really and I do care desperately
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about the direction of the country, and you care about
the world that your kids are coming into, then you
have to say yes to this opportunity. I didn't seek
it out, and I think that's what Paul now was
finding and working through in his head in the wake
of what happened to Charlie Kirk. And I really do
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believe that he's going to run and I think he's
going to win. And I asked him in the interview,
because there's always the skepticism, Okay, are you just doing
this to get more money. Are you just doing this
for the attention that it's going to create? And I've
known Paul for twenty years. I don't think he is.
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I think he legitimately feels like there are serious things
in life that picking the winner of college football games,
while it's fun, is the toy chest of life. And
he's concerned about the trajectory of the country. And I
think he loves the people of Alabama. And so again,
as we kind of work through this, this thing is
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going to land like a neutron bomb. I'm just gonna
be honest with you because a little bit later today
we're going to release a clip where Paul says, hey,
Disney would not let me interview President Trump. He was
all set up to interview President Trump in twenty nineteen
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when President Trump went to the LSU Alabama game Joe
Burrow against TUA for those of you who are sports fans,
and it was all set up. He was going to
go to the White House, he was going to sit
down with President Trump, and Disney said no. And I
asked him in the interview, I said, well, you know,
that's kind of interesting because they interviewed Barack Obama all
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the time and Paul said, yeah, they sent in Andy
Katz for those of you who remember, and Barack Obama
did a men's and women's basketball bracket every year from
the White House and he YESPN treated it as a
major news story. And so Paul was all set up
to sit down with President Trump to talk to him
about going to the big game between LSU and Alabama.
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It is for most journalists, interviewing the President of the
United States is the apex of your career, one of
the moments that is why you do this. I'm going
to be honest with you. If I had an interview
set up with a president of the United States of
any party, and somebody said to me, no, you can't
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do it, I would lose it. And I think in
the way, and so Paul talks about that, and I
think that's going to land like a neutron bomb inside
of Disney because they're just dealing with the Jimmy Kimmel
fall out. Trump Paul Finebaum, I didn't know as politics.
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To be fair, we did not talk about politics. I
have tons of friends that I just don't talk about
politics at all with. In fact, one of my high
school buddies came out for a drink with us after
this interview, hung out with us.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
He's a Kamala voter.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He thinks I'm a moron for my politics, but he's
one of my best friends. And so I have tons
of people in my life that I just don't sider.
It's probably not I surprised. Probably a lot of you
do too. I don't sit around minutely analyzing politics with
I'll have a beer with anybody, and I think Paul
is the same way. And so I didn't even know
as politics. I'm gonna be honest with you. So a
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lot of the people I do know because they reach
out to me and they say, hey, thanks for saying
I'm talking about people on air. Hey thanks for saying
this man, you're speaking for a lot of us. I
didn't know Paul was a Trump voter. I didn't know
he was a registered Republican. And I think he's just
fed up. I think he's just fed up with the
direction the culture is going. And the Charlie Kirk was
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a crucible moment for him. Of as someone who goes
to college campuses every weekend and speak sees and speaks
to so many of these young men and young women.
What happened to Charlie was I think devastating to Paul
as it was devastating to many of you. And it
has him questioning some of his life choices and contemplating
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what he wants the next chapter of his life to
be like. And I know many of you probably have
had those same thoughts in your mind. Like I said,
whether you're a FedEx truck delivery guy, a truck driver,
a ESPN television analyst, or just a mom and a
dad out there trying to raise kids to the best
of your ability. I feel like it has struck so
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many of us and in a profound way. That's had
many people questioning a lot of their choices. I mean, heck,
some of you probably went to church who haven't been
to church in a long time, just because you felt
compelled to go in the wake of seeing that video,
just to try to do something, even it's a small thing,
to try to make the country a little bit better.
And I think there is an awakening that is going
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on across the cultural landscape. And I think it's brave.
Frankly of Paul to come out as being a Trump
voter sounds crazy. I think he's the first on air
person at a ESPN who's currently employed by Disney to
ever come out and say, hey, I'm a Trump voter,
and this is going to have major shockwaves, So I
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wanted to share it with you. There are more of
these cuts coming, by the way, a lot of you
out there eight hundred and two two eight a two.
You can react, but I wanted to make sure that
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we will play a little bit more of that in
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is the continuing fallout the legacy of what happened to
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Welcome in our number three, Clay Travis buck Sexton. Show
Buck is in Taiwan, and he is he'll be back
next week, but he is as far away almost as
either of us had been. I think I went to Australia,
but so many different moving stories out there.
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Buck. We'll be back next week.
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We are awaiting the press conference, which we will go
to live in the event that it happens before the
show ends today. That press conference scheduled to start any
moment with Benjamin net Yahoo and President Trump relating to
potential Middle East peace agreement.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Obviously very big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
If you are just now joining us, We've been following
a lot of different stories the church attack on the
Christian Latter Day Saints facility in Michigan continues to be
followed as being looked at as a terror attack. Eric
Adams has dropped out of the New York City Mayor's race.
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Continued fallout from the Komi charges over the course of
the weekend, and our friend JK Rolling weighed in and
I'm gonna read some more of what she had to
say about the situation surrounding trans debate. Do men who
identify as women become women again? We are waiting in
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real time spinning plates here a little bit to see
when or if that White House press availability between net
and Yahu and Trump is going to begin. The fine
bomb Paul Finebaum news that I have shared with you guys.
I'll be on Will Caine Show talking about this on
Fox News in a little bit, as there is I
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think a very real chance that Paul Finbaum of ESPN
and the SEC Network is going to soon announce that
he is running for Senate in the state of Alabama.
We played some cuts for you of that, and many
of you are continuing to react. Let me hit a
couple of your emails that came in directly to me.
We had one of our callers down there saying that
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he was that he was interested in the fine baumb
situation and it was of the Allison family. And this
is a.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Note from from one of our listeners. That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You may not realize the older gentleman eighty nine years
old listens to the show every single day. That called
from Alabama. He's a part of the Allison fan the
first family of Nascar in Alabama. That gentleman was literally
part of the living legends that are part of the
Allison family and the Hueytown Gang. He was the racer
that got into a fight at the conclusion of the
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first Daytona five hundred that was ever televised from start
to finish. Nice little treat to my day. Thank you, guys,
keep up the great work. That was positive email Gary
is upset. Did you know who you were talking to?
Eddie Allison, the older brother of the famous Allison brothers
of Nascar.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You didn't give him much time.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Look, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All I get is a first name and a state,
and so I appreciate him calling.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
He's welcome to call back anytime. I loved the call.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Eighty nine years old say he listens to the show
while he's out in his backyard on his swing. That
sounds amazing to me, and we appreciate him calling. We
appreciate all of you who are listening all over the place.
Dean is upset with me because I said that I
got for friends and I don't talk about politics with
Dean from South Florida says he can't be friends with
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anybody whoever.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Voted for a Democrat. FF, I don't.
Speaker 12 (34:08):
Have any liberal friends. They're just not ethical, they're not moral.
I would never be friends with anybody that voted for
Hair or sur Biden. These guys are low life scumbags.
And if you vote for Trump, I can be friends
with you. I can never be friends with anybody that
votes for a Democrat. They're just scumbags.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I disagree. I just I understand some people are like that.
First of all, that's what a lot of left wingers do.
They're the ones that are more likely, I think, to just.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Cut off relations.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh you voted for Trump, you can't come to Thanksgiving anymore.
Oh you won't wear a mask everywhere you go? Good
luck coming over for Christmas. I don't think that's healthy.
I really don't I've got a ton of friends that
frankly disagree with me on everything politically, and I know
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those people long before Trump, and I'm gonna know them
long after Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So I just I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Believe in the idea of cutting people out of your
life who have different political opinions than you.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I actually think.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
We need more people who are willing to be friends
with people across the island.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Just think about this.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think it's hard to demonize Trump supporters if you,
like me, are an admitted Trump supporter, and people in
your life who may vote on the left are have
to think about you as that Trump supporter, as opposed
to just this amorphous idea they've created of Oh, the
Trump supporters are all dumb, ignorant, stupid, redneck, racist, transphobic, whatever, homophobic,
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whatever slurs you want, hitler, hitler, nazi bootstepping, awful human beings.
I think that you can only believe that if you
don't actually know Trump supporters in your life. And I
got to tell you, there's lots of people who vote Democrat.
Almost every single day I hear from somebody who says,
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you know what, Clay, I'm a little bit like you.
Go back and listen to what Bill Clinton said in
nineteen ninety two. It is nothing like what the modern
Democrat Party believes. Bill Clinton nineteen ninety two would be
a Republican right now, Bill Clinton nineteen ninety six Republican.
I'm not saying he's right on every issue, but Donald
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Trump used to be a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And then he saw the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Light and started to recognize how crazy everything was going.
Donald Trump gave money to the Clintons back in the day.
Trump is just saying, and there are a lot of
us out there that are just saying. And we look
around and we say, there's a crazy party and that's
the Democrats. And there's the same party and that's the Republicans.
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It's my opinion, but I bet a lot of you
in your lives, you know people who are voting Democrat
just because they decided they were on the Democrat team
when they were sixteen years old, and they may be
sixty six now. And the Democrat Party of fifty years
ago is nothing like the Democrat Party today. And every
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day a few of them see the light. They get
red pilled. And I think one way they do it
is by interacting with normal, rational, reasonable people who they
actually have a moment of thought and think, wait a minute,
Clay's not crazy, why is he a Trump guy? And
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they start to work through. Not everybody, but there are
enough people out there that start to think that through.
And that's how Trump win one in twenty twenty four,
That's how he won the popular vote. So I understand
the frustration out there of how do they not see
everything that I see? This is why I read everything.
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I am very confident that I could make the arguments
they make in the New York Times as good or
better than they do.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But could too.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We are aware of all of their arguments. We're making
the ones that we think are better, which is how
we ended up a Trump supporter. But I don't think
you help your arguments by just running in the corner,
covering your ears and being like, I only want to
be surrounded by people that agree with me on everything
every minute of every day. To me, that's what Democrats do.
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That's how their party has become toxic. That's how it's
become such a shrinking tent. You have to interact with
arguments with which you disagree to understand why you agree
with the ones that you do. So look, I love
the fact that Dean is a listener, but I don't
understand and don't think it's helpful to just say what
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a leftist would. I'm cutting everybody else off who doesn't
agree with me one hundred percent on everything. I don't
think that's healthy. I would never cut off friends or
family personally because of their politics, and I wouldn't want
you to either. I don't think that's healthy. Moreover, you
can't win doing that. The way you win is by
expanding your coalition. There aren't enough die hard right wingers
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to get anybody elected in any competitive state. You have
to appeal to reasonable, rational people out there that might
be super busy.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
They got real.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Things going on in your life. I got three boys.
Do you know how much time we spend scheduling getting
those boys to all of their events? I got a
ninth grade football game to get to. I really believe
that my son's games. It's almost like they're pranking us
to try to play the games in the most difficult
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places to get to at the most difficult place at
times five point thirty kickoff an hour and a half
from my house. We live in a major American city.
There's nowhere they could have gone close. No, we got
to drive all over the place. People are busy. I
appreciate y'all who are listening every single day and following
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and being super attentive with the politics of the moment.
You guys are what we should want from an enlightened electorate.
But if only people knew what was going on every
day in the country voted, there wouldn't be very many voters.
Most people are really busy trying to get their kids
to and from sporting events, trying to make sure they're
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making enough money to pay off their mortgage. They don't
have time to get enmeshed in every issue. A lot
of people just vote the way they have for a
long time. You gotta be there when suddenly they're tend
to go up and they think, for a minute, wait,
this doesn't make very much sense. That doesn't sound like
something that a Democrat would have said in nineteen eighty
eight or nineteen ninety eight. In fact, a lot of
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the arguments Trump's making right now, Democrats made them twenty
five thirty years ago. So that's my argument of how
you win politics is the art of persuasion. It's about
communication and making the right decisions. And if you decide
I don't want to communicate with anybody who is persuadable
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or willing to listen to you, I think you guarantee
that you're perpetually in the minority. Chris from Tampa GG
what's he got?
Speaker 13 (41:43):
Hey, Clay? I love you to death, But since you
brought it up, you always say you trust people more
if they watch football. I trust people less if they
watch football, because one minute they're mad at football, the
next minute they're not mad at football, and all the
crap that football's pulled over to years and sports just
in general for the most part. Well, all this protesting
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and crap, I'm not giving my money to the enemy.
Why I say I'm not doing something anymore, I'm not
doing it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I respect that argument. Here's my argument in the contrary.
Then you just give over everything to left wingers. I
mean I could have just said, you know what, I'm
fed up with what I see from left wing politics.
I'm not gonna make arguments anymore. I'm not gonna found
out kick, I'm not gonna do this show and try
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to speak to a larger community. I'm not gonna worry
about sports media at all, because they disagree with me,
so I'm gonna go spend my time doing something else.
And by the way, the Titans are so bad that
a part of me is not watching as much NFL
just because my team is the worst in the NFL.
And I got other things that I would rather do
than watch my team get their ass kicked. But we're winning.
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What you're saying would lead to Oh'riiley Gaines was swimming
against a dude pretending to be a chick. She should
have just said I'm done with swimming and gone and
spent her time doing something else. Well, what about all
those other little girls out there. You don't win by
abandoning the battlefield. You might feel better, but to me,
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you're like the kid who takes his ball and goes
home when he's getting his ass kicked in a game.
I'm gonna put on the gloves and I'm gonna throw
punches because I think I'm better at it than the
other side. But if I just leve him and leave
him alone in the ring, he's gonna raise his arms
above the sky and name himself the champion, and he's
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gonna destroy, in my opinion, American culture, you win by fighting.
You don't win by abandoning the battlefield and saying, well,
they're mean, I don't agree with some of this stuff.
I'm out lace him up, put in your mouth, and
start throwing haymakers. That's what I do every day. And
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I think we've won because we have better arguments. But
that requires that you not abandon the battlefield. And so
I think the battlefield of culture is what ultimately decides
elections in this country. In sports is maybe the foremost battlefield.
And the reason why I trust sports fans is because
ultimately they're rational. Everybody believes in the scoreboard, and the
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scoreboard right now is Republicans are scoring points and making
sense and Democrats are not. And if you keep putting
points up on your side of the scoreboard, eventually the
culture changes and Donald Trump wins a popular vote victory.
And hopefully we can string several of those together. That's
my thought process, and trust me, I spend a lot
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for the Trump press conference and availability with Benjamin Nett
and Yahoo, so we hopefully we will join some of
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Speaker 1 (46:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're about
to go to the White House where President Trump is
speaking alongside of Benjamin net and Yahoo twenty part piece
plan for the Middle East. When we jump in here,
it's probably going to be complicated, like jumping into the
deep end of the pool. So I'm gonna be listening
along with you. We may pull out just because it's
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going to be so complicated and we're jumping in right
in the middle.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Let me give you one thing.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
In response to some of those callers saying like, hey,
I don't want to interact with anybody who voted the
other way. I don't think you can win that way.
Also got a story quickly here as we get ready
for Trump. You know what my grandparents did when they retired.
Grandfather worked in a factory, his whole life. Grandmother was
a school teacher in Georgia. Grandfather was a factory worker
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in the Chattanooga, Tennessee area. They went to work ministering
to prisoners who hadn't found Jesus yet. They set in
their homes and wrote letters constantly to prisoners people who
were in prison, often for doing very awful things, to
try to convince them to find Jesus in their life.
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Reason why I bring it up? If you are religious,
would you ever say I only want to interact with Christians.
If you truly believe that the goal of a religion
is to save people from eternal damnation, wouldn't you want
to focus on trying to save people like my grandparents did.
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In order to convert, you have to go to the unconverted.
It's easy to preach to the choir. It might make
you feel better to never be challenged. But real calling
is convincing people of something they have not yet realized.
In my opinion, that's the entire purpose of Christianity, because
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otherwise Christianity would have ended very quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
If you said, oh, I'm only.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Going to talk to other people who are Christians, then
it would have never spread. It would have never turned
into the life changing and cultural enrichment that it became.
Just think about that. I understand that politics and religion
are somewhat different, but just think about that in your
own life. If I'm only talking to people who agree
with me all the time, how can you change the world,
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how can you make it better? And what would have
happened to Christianity if early Christians had said that I'm
only going to talk to people who are already Christians.
I don't have time for anybody else. It might make
you feel better internally, but it's not changing the world.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay, let's go live right now to what we hope
could change the world, which is peace in the Middle East.
Trump is trying to help make it happen. Benjamin Thatt
and Yahoo there with him. This is White House right
now live.
Speaker 8 (49:30):
The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody
involved ask me to do this, so it would be
headed by a gentleman known as President Donald J.
Speaker 10 (49:40):
Trump of the United States.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
It's what I want is some extra work to do,
but it's so important that I'm willing to do.
Speaker 10 (49:48):
It, and we'll do it right.
Speaker 8 (49:51):
And we're going to put leaders from other countries on
and leaders that are very distinguished leaders.
Speaker 10 (49:56):
And we'll have a board and one of the people
that wants to.
Speaker 8 (49:59):
Be on the board is the UK former Prime Minister
Tony Blair, good Man, very good man, and some others,
and they'll be named over the next few days and
it'll be quite the board working. Everybody wants to be
on it.
Speaker 10 (50:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
I don't know if that had anything to do they
name me and everybody else wanted to be on it.
I guess they figure, well, he's a soft touch, he'll
be easy to deal.
Speaker 10 (50:24):
With, working with the World Bank and others.
Speaker 8 (50:27):
It will be responsible for recruiting and training a new
government that will be made up of Palestinians along with
highly qualified experts from all around the world. Hamas and
other terrorist factions will play no role in the board,
but they'll play no role in the governance of Gaza
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at all, directly or indirectly. As you know, thousands of
Hamas leaders have been killed and soldiers killed, and we
can never forget October seventh, but thousands have paid the
price for that. And now it's time to get our
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hostages back and get back to trying to build something
that's really great and very important in our meeting today
Prime Minister Netya, who is very clear about his opposition
to a Palestinian state, and he continuously mentions October seventh,
and I understand that most people do, and I understand
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and respect his position on many things. But what he's
doing today is so good for Israel. And I noticed
that they have large crowds gathering in Israel all the time,
and they have my name up.
Speaker 10 (51:42):
They like me for whatever reason. Maybe I don't know,
but they do like me. But they say two things.
Speaker 8 (51:50):
Please get the hostages back and please end the war.
They've had it. So I think it's a very popular
thing you do because he's a warrior that know about
getting back to a normal way of life. But he
is a warrior and Israel is lucky to have him.
But now the people want to get back to peace.
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They want to get back to normalization in a true sense.
Several countries have foolish you recognized the Palestinian state. As
you know, some European friends, allies, good people, but they're really,
I think, doing that because they're very tired of what's
going on for so many decades. They've been presidents in
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prime ministers for years and during this time having to
do with the Middle East, all they're doing is talking
about the same thing over and over.
Speaker 10 (52:38):
They want to see it get back, and.
Speaker 8 (52:40):
Nobody wants that more than me or I believe BB two.
But the people of Israel want it, they really want it.
They want the hostages back. That includes the probably thirty
two bodies that we're talking about, twenty people that are living,
thirty two or so people that are dead. And they
want to have peace. So let us not forget how
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we got here. Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people.
Israel withdrew from Gaza thinking they would live in peace.
Speaker 10 (53:12):
Remember that long time ago. They withdrew.
Speaker 8 (53:14):
They said, you take it, this is our contribution to peace.
But that didn't work out. That didn't work out. It
was the opposite of peace. They pulled away. They let
them have it. And I never forgot that because I said,
that doesn't sound like a good deal to me as
a real estate person. I mean, they gave up the ocean,
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right ron, They gave up the ocean. They said, who
would do this deal? And it still didn't work out.
They were very generous, actually, and they gave up the
most magnificent peace of land in many ways in the
Middle East, and they said, all we want to do
now is have peace, and.
Speaker 10 (53:54):
That request was not honored.
Speaker 8 (53:57):
Instead of building a better life for the Palestinians, and
mass diverted resources to build over four hundred miles of
tunnels and terror infrastructure, rocket production facilities, and hit their
military command posts and launch sites in hospital, schools and mosques.
So if you want after them, you'd be after them
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and you wouldn't even realize you ended up knocking out
a hospital or school or a mosque.
Speaker 10 (54:22):
That terrible, terrible, terrible way to have to fight. No
fighter is good, but that's a real bad one.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
So there are many Palestinians who wish to live in peace, many,
many of many.
Speaker 10 (54:34):
I've seen so many of them, and they have support.
Speaker 8 (54:39):
And I challenge the Palestinians to take responsibility for their destiny,
because that's what we're giving them. We're giving them responsibility
for their destiny. Fully condemned and prohibit terrorism and earn
their way to a brighter future. They don't want the
life that they've had. They've had a rough life with
the moss. If the Palestinian authority does not complete the
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reforms that I laid out and my vision for peace
in twenty twenty, they'll have only themselves to blame. We're
giving them an amazing footprint, and they have amazing support
from the leaders of the Arab world and the Muslim world.
Great leaders, These are great leaders. These are unbelievable leaders
that have built great countries and very wealthy countries. What
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the future holds for the Palestinians, no one really knows.
But the plan that we put forward today is focused
on ending the war immediately, getting all of our hostages back,
getting everything back, hard to believe when you even say it,
and creating conditions for durable Israeli security and Palestinian success
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is rarely. Security is going to be involved. We're going
to help you. We'll be there with you in terms
of helping with security. We want to make sure it works.
We just want to make sure it works. They shouldn't
be a shot fired. Now there will be, I guess,
because that's the way it seems to be, but they
shouldn't have to be within a few days. They shouldn't
have to be a shot fired. And maybe for eternity,
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wouldn't that be nice? I hope it's true. I can
tell you the leadership of that region feels that there's
a good chance of it being true.
Speaker 10 (56:19):
So this will lead.
Speaker 8 (56:20):
To a disagreement that we're talking about, will lead to
a sustainable, long term piece. No president in history has
been a greater friend of the State of Israel than
I have. In addition to negotiating the Abraham Accords, I
like to say it that way because the real people
that's what they call Abraham. I would say Abraham, but
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it's so much nicer when you say Abraham.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
All right, that is vintage Trump. Let's pull here, We're
going to go to a break. Biggest takeaway here is
that Trump is putting the onus on Hamas. He said,
quote if accepted by Hamas, this proposal calls for the
release of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case
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more than seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
The hostages are coming back. But if they do not agree.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
To this, he is saying, basically, you're gonna have to
deal with net and Yahoo, essentially Hamas and the people
of Gaza. This is my last best offer, and it's
time to accept it. We'll continue to monitor. We'll grab
you a couple of clips as we are going to
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break here. This is all happening in real time. Trump
trying as many presidents before him have and frankly, as
every president before him so far has failed to create
a form of lasting peace in the Middle East. Is
a twenty part piece plan that the White House has released,
that is he is discussing right now. Very complicated, but
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Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show. You
have got me solo this week as Buck is in Taiwan.
Hopefully China doesn't invade this week. That would be quite
the reporting from Buck over there. But in all seriousness,
he is in Taiwan. He will be back next week.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I've got you.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Guys this week solo, as there is a ton of
news that is going on right now in real time.
I hope all of you had fantastic weekends. I was
down in Athens, Georgia, saw the Great Georgia Bulldog team
lose its thirty three game home winning streak to Alabama,
(00:43):
and also interviewed Paul Finbaum. Will play a little bit
of that for you. If you are a college football fan,
you certainly know who Paul Finebaum is. He told me
in an exclusive sit down interview that he is potentially
going to run for senate in Alaha, Babama. That story
is going to ricochet around everywhere, and trust me, there's
(01:06):
more coming there. We'll maybe get into that a little
bit in the hours that we have to spend ahead,
but let me kind of set the table on all
of the craziness and zaniness that is underway right now.
President Trump is trying to get a Middle East peace
accord relating to Gaza. Nearly two years after the October seventh,
(01:29):
twenty twenty three Hamas attack on the innocent people of Israel.
The fallout has now continued for nearly two years. The
war in the Middle East there has gone on for
nearly two years, Net and Yahoo. Right now at the
White House meeting with President Trump, there are reports that
there is a twenty one point piece packed that the
(01:51):
United States is trying to get agreed to by both
Hamas and Israel that would bring this or to a close.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
So that is going on right now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
There is potentially and you guys know that I kind
of roll my eyes over this because I don't know
necessarily that very much changes, but there is potentially going
to be a shutdown of the federal government. Some of
you are like, Yay, why don't we shut it down
more frequently? October first, that would go into effect if
(02:21):
we do not get essentially an agreement worked out in
the next I don't know what, thirty six hours or so,
then the federal government would shut down. My general proposition
on government shutdowns is they've happened so many times over
the last twenty five or thirty years that no one
really cares that forty years, I guess, going back to
(02:43):
the Clinton arrow was the first time I remember the
whole government shutdown process turning into a big political issue.
Eventually they get a worked out solution, but a lot
of people want to tell you that there is going
to be substantial drama there. Eric Adams has dropped out
of the New York City mayor's race. There are three
(03:04):
primary races that are scheduled to take place in a
little over a month. Mayor of New York City, Governor
of New Jersey, Governor of Virginia. In the first real
test to see what if anything, has shifted in the
one year since Trump was elected as President of the
United States. Eric Adams again the current mayor of New
(03:26):
York City, dropping out. That leaves Curtis Leewa and Andrew
Cuomo as the competition running against Mam Donnie Mamdanni is
a big favorite right now if you look at the
prediction markets to be elected, and it would need to
be a one v one battle in New York City
for this to turn into anything of any substantial significance.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
JK. Rolling in terms of the closeness of that race. JK.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Rowling, who might be my favorite public celebrity in the
world right now, just went scorched Earth nuclear bomb style
on Emma Thompson, who played Hermione Granger in all the
Harry Potter movies, over trans related issues. I'm going to
(04:13):
read you some of that because I read it this
morning as I was drinking my Crocket coffee and I
just thought, man, I didn't even need coffee this morning.
I just needed Harry Potter author JK. Rowling to jump
into did I say, Emma Thompson Emma Watson. Emma Thompson
is also a British actress, isn't she a lot older?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All right, well that's a whiff by me right out
of the gate, Emma Watson. I don't know how many
of you caught that, but thanks to the team for
being on top of that. Yeah, Emma Thompson, much older,
probably much less famous British actors I believe as well.
But yes, Emma Watson who played Hermione Granger in all
of the Harry Potter movies. So I want to start, however,
with an awful story that happened yesterday in the state
(04:55):
of Michigan, a Mormon church was burned down, four people
were killed. Caroline Levitt went on I believe this was
Fox and Friends this morning to talk about what we
know about that Michigan shooting, about that latest attack on
religion in the United States. A church burned basically to
the ground and four innocent people killed. This is what
(05:18):
Caroline Levitt had to say.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
We know at this.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Point in time is that he was a member of
this Michigan community, that he is a veteran of our
United States Armed Forces. He serves in the United States
Marine Corps in Iraq. His family is cooperating with the FBI,
and so they are currently trying to dig in and
get to the bottom of why he committed. There's just
(05:40):
this heinous act of violence. It's unfathomable. And as the President.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Rightfully put in his true social yesterday, this appears to
be yet another targeted attack on Christians, and the Trump
administration is fully committed to not only investigating these crimes,
but prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law,
but also working very hard to prevent them.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Okay, so we will continue to monitor that story as well.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
There are tons of different things underway right now, Middle
East peace with the White House, potential government shut down,
And this is probably the story that got the most
attention during the course of the weekend. It is the
charges against James Comy, and I wanted to play this.
(06:28):
Comy actually did an interview with CNN right before he
got indicted. This is back in May, saying he was
never able to get me. Here is Comy taunting Trump.
This is cut eight and again. Two felony indictments in
northern Virginia in a blue area that would be very
(06:52):
favorably disposed to James Comy. But listen to how cocky
he was about believing that there would be no concert
coinsist for his actions.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Cut eight.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Yeah, I'm still considered a villain in Maga world. I
hope I said that correctly. Although I've offended enough people
in Maga world it doesn't matter at this point. I'm
not sure exactly why that is. I often joke on
the relationship that Trump can't get over wakes up in
the middle of the night thinking about me and how
I'm living my best life. I think it has some
combination of I really have had a happy, productive life
(07:25):
since then, and then I spoke out about him and
that despite their absolute best efforts, they were never able
to get me.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, a little bit spoke too soon.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He should have maybe started to high step into the
end zone, NA, seeing that you still had one defender left,
and he got flattened right before he was going into
the end zone when he thought the statute of limitation
was going to run out. I haven't heard very many
people talk about this. We talked about it on the
program and the immediate aftermath of the indictment. This is
deep blue Alexandria Virginia. For those who of you who
(08:00):
know the DC area, well, Northern Virginia very much of
a connected hotspot for the Democrat Party based on his
proximity to Washington, d C. It's not as if they
went to my home state of Tennessee or Alabama, or
West Virginia or Wyoming, some state that overwhelmingly voted for
(08:22):
President Trump and got an indictment. Not only did they
go to a state that Trump lost, they at Virginia.
We also have five points. They went into the bluest
part of that state, one of the bluest parts in
the country. And I think this should be hammered home more.
I give jd Vance credit here. He's one of the
few that has been pointing this out for everybody out
(08:42):
there saying, oh, this is unbelievable, this is unprecedent. We
know they're liars. They didn't say anything when they tried
to bankrupt in prison and kill Trump. But even if
you wanted to make an argument that this was some
sort of unprecedented attack on norms of American life, that's
already happened with what Democrats did, but they did it
(09:03):
in a rigged jury pool that advantaged them massively. We
got these double indictments coming down in northern Virginia where
likely the majority of the people on the grand jury,
probably the vast majority this is seventy five to twenty
five area that is in favor of the Democrat Party.
The vast majority of these grand jurors that indicted James
(09:25):
Comey were actually Kamala Biden Obama voters. Here's jd Vance
pointing that out cut eleven, this was.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
A grand jury indictment delivered in Alexander and Virginia, not
exactly a hotbed of Donald Trump's political support. And to
the people who are saying that this is all political.
I mean, look, if you look at our track record
in the Trump administration, there have been people who have
been prosecuted who have been political allies who agree with
our politics. There have been people who disagree with our politics.
We're not letting politics drive this. We're letting the requirements
(09:57):
of the justice system and the law drive this. And
unfortunately for James Comy, when I look at this indictment,
I see a guy who lied under oath, and he'll
have his dan court, he'll have his opportunity to prove
the other case in front of the jury. But the
idea that this is driven by politics, I think is preposterous.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
So I think Jade van' is exactly right now. I
still would argue that it's unlikely that we're going to
see a conviction of James Comy because the jury pool
is going to be a seventy five percent probably Biden
Kamala voting jury pool, and I think at least one
of those jurors will say, I'm not convicting James Comy
(10:36):
because I hate President Trump, and they're not going to
look at the actual facts here. Also, we've got an
Obama appointed judge who I believe is going to be
very favorably disposed towards James Comy. Having said all of that,
Lindsey Halligan getting a double indictment here right before the
statute of limitations expires is huge. And here is and
(10:57):
I want to talk about some of this. Here is
where this can become a much more significant factor going
forward if they are able to get someone to testify
against James Comy. Is there someone out there in the
FBI who has seen the light of day and is
(11:18):
willing to tell the truth and knows that James Comy
was encouraging leaks or leaking himself related to this Russia
collusion hoax. Remember that is what he is being prosecuted for,
not even necessarily the leaks, but just potentially perjuring himself
under testimony in front of Congress. The only ways that
(11:42):
you can prove perjury right are circumstantial evidence, that is,
all of the other factors that prove that someone knowingly
lied surrounding the lie or and this is a part
of the circumstantial evidence, but direct evidence from someone who
knows that Komy was lying, someone who is testifying that
(12:04):
Comy knew that his testimony was dishonest, untrue, in front
of the UH, in front of that Congressional committee. That
to me is one of the questions that I have
out here. How are they going to put this case together.
It's a challenging case, it's a challenging judge, it's a
challenging jury pool. But Lindsay Halligan getting that indictment where
(12:28):
she did up against the timeframe is an incredible accomplishment
by her UH, and I do think has set the
table for there to be consequences for all of these
acts that were put in place against President Trump. All right,
no guest schedule today, eight hundred and two two two
eight A two. We'll take a bunch of your calls,
a bunch of your talkbacks. Appreciate all of you again.
(12:50):
Tons of different current event stories that we are monitoring,
including a hearing related to the Charlie Kirk assassination that
is also taking place out in Utah that we will
be on top of as well. So a lot of
different breaking news stories. We're going to keep you updated
on all of them as we roll through. And in
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Speaker 1 (14:46):
Erica Adams dropping out of the New York City's mayoral
race as well as the James Comy charges fallout, a
lot of news out there, and I made some news
that is starting to ricochet around owned the political universe
as well, just in the last few hours. So let
me kind of take you into an interview that I
(15:08):
did over the weekend. So I went down for the
Georgia Alabama game in Athens. Had an amazing time hanging
out and meeting many of you all over the place.
Congratulations to Alabama. Turns out they're still pretty good at football.
They beat Georgia Electric Environment Sandford Stadium. It was, it
(15:30):
was fantastic. I did a couple of interviews longer form.
We may share some clips from them with Paul Feinbaum,
and that's what I'm talking about today. I also talked
with Senate candidate in Georgia Derek Dooley, who is a
friend of mine, former football coach, running to try to
beat John Assoff in the competitive Georgia Senate race down there,
(15:55):
So we may have a couple of cuts for that
for you later in the week as well. We did
two what I would say long form interviews. I talked
with Paul Finebaumb for an hour. Now, some of you
are going to immediately know who Paul Finebaumb is. He
is a SEC Network ESPN analyst, longtime radio guy, hosts
(16:17):
a multi hour daily SEC Network show. If you watch
a ESPN at all, he's regularly on First Take with
Steven A.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I've known Paul for twenty years. So I got started
in radio through writing in local Some of you been
listening to me since I did local sports talk radio
in my hometown of Nashville, and I was employed back
in the day on one oh four five of the
Zone in Nashville doing a daily sports talk show, and
(16:47):
Paul was employed in Birmingham, Alabama, doing a daily sports
talk show as well, and we were both employed by
a company called Cumulus. They dominated sports talk in Birmingham
and dominated sports talk in Nashville. And so I've known
Paul for twenty years. Some of you listening to me
right now all over the state of Alabama, you've heard
(17:07):
me go on fine Baum Show back in the day
quite a lot. So we had a one hour long
sit down, and as part of that conversation, many of
you know because Tommy Tubberville, who's been on this show
a great number of times, is giving up his Senate
seat to run for governor of Alabama. There is an
(17:27):
open Senate seat in Alabama. And I'm truth be told.
Let mean just I'll just tell you everything. I have
had a lot of conversations with a lot of people
in Alabama about what's going to happen with that senate.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
See.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I talked to Bruce Pearl about it. A great deal.
Auburn men's basketball coach Bruce Pearl, he's been on this program.
He's a great friend of mine. He really seriously thought
about running. He has stepped down as a college basketball
coach at Auburn. He's basically going to be now the
mayor of Auburn. He's not running told me that he
had had similar Paul Finebum conversations with Bruce Pearl. We're
(18:05):
all friends, and he wasn't going to run if Bruce
Pearl was gonna run. But Bruce Pearl said, you know what,
I'm not gonna do it. And Paul and I had
conversations and he said, hey, Clay, I'm thinking about doing this.
And I said, okay, well, let's kind of walk through it.
And he said, what's the best way that I could
let people know that I'm serious about this? And I said, well,
(18:27):
how about you sit down with me and we have
a long form discussion and we'll get into it. And
that full long form discussion is going to go up tomorrow.
Uh but Paul, we are going to release a couple
of clips. You'll see me talking about it on Fox
News with Will Kine. This just came out. I think
Paul's gonna run. This is my opinion based on my
(18:49):
conversations with him. He could certainly change his mind, but
I would encourage you guys to go listen to the
full conversation. But here is the specific part about why. Now,
why is Paul Feinbaum thinking about giving up sports and
going and running for the Senate in Alabama.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Here was his.
Speaker 9 (19:07):
Answer, Well, you're sitting there talking to Steven A. Smith
and you and as you're waiting for your turn, you're thinking,
I wonder if I should move forward on this. So
it's it's it's a it's been a it's been going
on for a couple of days or if not weeks,
and it's just hard to chisel it down to make
an educated decision. But to say I'm considering it, of course, yes,
(19:30):
there's it's something that I can't say I've dreamed about.
I can't say I've thought about. I'm not a career
politician who had it all mapped out. This is something
that just came to me. And it's also very late,
and I don't know quite how to deal with it.
But as far as your question, you know, would I
give up what I'm doing?
Speaker 10 (19:48):
I would? I would I would have to.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So the question in there was what is part of
the motivating factor? And maybe we can get a little
bit more of that clip he said, Charlie Kirk, And
I do think and you may have experienced this in
your own life, because I know how many of you
were impacted. I think a lot of people, no matter
(20:13):
what they do for a living.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
You could be a.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Sports talk radio show host at ESPN, You could be
a garbage truck driver in Spokane, Washington. Listening to us
right now, you could be a truck driver in northern Virginia.
It really seriously made a lot of people contemplate what's
(20:38):
going on in the country and how all of us
could do more to try and make things better. And
I think that is one of the most motivating factors
for Paul Feinbaum right now. And I'll give you a
little bit of a preview of our conversation. Paul goes
(20:58):
around to college campmpuses for the SEC Network every weekend,
and he meets a lot of college kids because the
kids show up for the crowd at the events that
he does, and in talking with him, what he saw
happened to Charlie made it very hard for him to think,
(21:21):
I want to continue to just do sports for the
rest of my career. And I think the reason he
wanted to sit down with me is I made that
decision several years ago. COVID was my motivating factor. You
guys know, I still love sports. I still talk a
lot about sports. I think it's important to go to
where people are culturally and connect with them. So I
(21:43):
still do a lot of sports because I think you
can really connect with people in speaking their common language
where they are, as opposed to trying to drag everybody
into politics all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And I made that decision.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I feel fortunate to have the boss Julie Talbot that
we do, because she really got me by saying, you
could do sports talk radio for the rest of your
life and not have the impact that you would have
in six months of doing this show that we do now.
And so if you really and I do care desperately
(22:20):
about the direction of the country, and you care about
the world that your kids are coming into, then you
have to say yes to this opportunity. I didn't seek
it out, and I think that's what Paul now was
finding and working through in his head in the wake
of what happened to Charlie Kirk. And I really do
(22:41):
believe that he's going to run and I think he's
going to win. And I asked him in the interview,
because there's always the skepticism, Okay, are you just doing
this to get more money. Are you just doing this
for the attention that it's going to create? And I've
known Paul for twenty years. I don't think he is.
(23:02):
I think he legitimately feels like there are serious things
in life that picking the winner of college football games,
while it's fun, is the toy chest of life. And
he's concerned about the trajectory of the country. And I
think he loves the people of Alabama. And so again,
as we kind of work through this, this thing is
(23:24):
going to land like a neutron bomb. I'm just gonna
be honest with you because a little bit later today
we're going to release a clip where Paul says, hey,
Disney would not let me interview President Trump. He was
all set up to interview President Trump in twenty nineteen
(23:45):
when President Trump went to the LSU Alabama game Joe
Burrow against TUA for those of you who are sports fans,
and it was all set up. He was going to
go to the White House, he was going to sit
down with President Trump, and Disney said no. And I
asked him in the interview, I said, well, you know,
that's kind of interesting because they interviewed Barack Obama all
(24:08):
the time and Paul said, yeah, they sent in Andy
Katz for those of you who remember, and Barack Obama
did a men's and women's basketball bracket every year from
the White House and he YESPN treated it as a
major news story. And so Paul was all set up
to sit down with President Trump to talk to him
about going to the big game between LSU and Alabama.
(24:33):
It is for most journalists, interviewing the President of the
United States is the apex of your career, one of
the moments that is why you do this. I'm going
to be honest with you. If I had an interview
set up with a president of the United States of
any party, and somebody said to me, no, you can't
(24:55):
do it, I would lose it. And I think in
the way, and so Paul talks about that, and I
think that's going to land like a neutron bomb inside
of Disney because they're just dealing with the Jimmy Kimmel
fall out. Trump Paul Finebaum, I didn't know as politics.
(25:17):
To be fair, we did not talk about politics. I
have tons of friends that I just don't talk about
politics at all with. In fact, one of my high
school buddies came out for a drink with us after
this interview, hung out with us.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
He's a Kamala voter.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
He thinks I'm a moron for my politics, but he's
one of my best friends. And so I have tons
of people in my life that I just don't sider.
It's probably not I surprised. Probably a lot of you
do too. I don't sit around minutely analyzing politics with
I'll have a beer with anybody, and I think Paul
is the same way. And so I didn't even know
as politics. I'm gonna be honest with you. So a
(25:57):
lot of the people I do know because they reach
out to me and they say, hey, thanks for saying
I'm talking about people on air. Hey thanks for saying
this man, you're speaking for a lot of us. I
didn't know Paul was a Trump voter. I didn't know
he was a registered Republican. And I think he's just
fed up. I think he's just fed up with the
direction the culture is going. And the Charlie Kirk was
(26:17):
a crucible moment for him. Of as someone who goes
to college campuses every weekend and speak sees and speaks
to so many of these young men and young women.
What happened to Charlie was I think devastating to Paul
as it was devastating to many of you. And it
has him questioning some of his life choices and contemplating
(26:40):
what he wants the next chapter of his life to
be like. And I know many of you probably have
had those same thoughts in your mind. Like I said,
whether you're a FedEx truck delivery guy, a truck driver,
a ESPN television analyst, or just a mom and a
dad out there trying to raise kids to the best
of your ability. I feel like it has struck so
(27:02):
many of us and in a profound way. That's had
many people questioning a lot of their choices. I mean, heck,
some of you probably went to church who haven't been
to church in a long time, just because you felt
compelled to go in the wake of seeing that video,
just to try to do something, even it's a small thing,
to try to make the country a little bit better.
And I think there is an awakening that is going
(27:24):
on across the cultural landscape. And I think it's brave.
Frankly of Paul to come out as being a Trump
voter sounds crazy. I think he's the first on air
person at a ESPN who's currently employed by Disney to
ever come out and say, hey, I'm a Trump voter,
and this is going to have major shockwaves, So I
(27:44):
wanted to share it with you. There are more of
these cuts coming, by the way, a lot of you
out there eight hundred and two two eight a two.
You can react, but I wanted to make sure that
we that we played all that for you, and so
we will play a little bit more of that in
for you potentially going forward. But I also think this
is the continuing fallout the legacy of what happened to
(28:08):
Charlie Kirk, which you could see on the campus at
Penn State where five thousand young people were wearing those
freedom t shirts in the crowd, And I think it's
bringing a lot of people off the sideline who might
otherwise have been staying silent every day. Americans should be
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Welcome in our number three, Clay Travis buck Sexton. Show
Buck is in Taiwan, and he is he'll be back
next week, but he is as far away almost as
either of us had been. I think I went to Australia,
but so many different moving stories out there.
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Buck. We'll be back next week.
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We are awaiting the press conference, which we will go
to live in the event that it happens before the
show ends today. That press conference scheduled to start any
moment with Benjamin net Yahoo and President Trump relating to
potential Middle East peace agreement.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Obviously very big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
If you are just now joining us, We've been following
a lot of different stories the church attack on the
Christian Latter Day Saints facility in Michigan continues to be
followed as being looked at as a terror attack. Eric
Adams has dropped out of the New York City Mayor's race.
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Continued fallout from the Komi charges over the course of
the weekend, and our friend JK Rolling weighed in and
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identify as women become women again? We are waiting in
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real time spinning plates here a little bit to see
when or if that White House press availability between net
and Yahu and Trump is going to begin. The fine
bomb Paul Finebaum news that I have shared with you guys.
I'll be on Will Caine Show talking about this on
Fox News in a little bit, as there is I
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think a very real chance that Paul Finbaum of ESPN
and the SEC Network is going to soon announce that
he is running for Senate in the state of Alabama.
We played some cuts for you of that, and many
of you are continuing to react. Let me hit a
couple of your emails that came in directly to me.
We had one of our callers down there saying that
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he was that he was interested in the fine baumb
situation and it was of the Allison family. And this
is a.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Note from from one of our listeners. That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You may not realize the older gentleman eighty nine years
old listens to the show every single day. That called
from Alabama. He's a part of the Allison fan the
first family of Nascar in Alabama. That gentleman was literally
part of the living legends that are part of the
Allison family and the Hueytown Gang. He was the racer
that got into a fight at the conclusion of the
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first Daytona five hundred that was ever televised from start
to finish. Nice little treat to my day. Thank you, guys,
keep up the great work. That was positive email Gary
is upset. Did you know who you were talking to?
Eddie Allison, the older brother of the famous Allison brothers
of Nascar.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
You didn't give him much time.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
Look, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
All I get is a first name and a state,
and so I appreciate him calling.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
He's welcome to call back anytime. I loved the call.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Eighty nine years old say he listens to the show
while he's out in his backyard on his swing. That
sounds amazing to me, and we appreciate him calling. We
appreciate all of you who are listening all over the place.
Dean is upset with me because I said that I
got for friends and I don't talk about politics with
Dean from South Florida says he can't be friends with
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anybody whoever.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Voted for a Democrat. FF, I don't.
Speaker 12 (34:08):
Have any liberal friends. They're just not ethical, they're not moral.
I would never be friends with anybody that voted for
Hair or sur Biden. These guys are low life scumbags.
And if you vote for Trump, I can be friends
with you. I can never be friends with anybody that
votes for a Democrat. They're just scumbags.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I disagree. I just I understand some people are like that.
First of all, that's what a lot of left wingers do.
They're the ones that are more likely, I think, to just.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Cut off relations.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh you voted for Trump, you can't come to Thanksgiving anymore.
Oh you won't wear a mask everywhere you go? Good
luck coming over for Christmas. I don't think that's healthy.
I really don't I've got a ton of friends that
frankly disagree with me on everything politically, and I know
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those people long before Trump, and I'm gonna know them
long after Trump.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
So I just I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Believe in the idea of cutting people out of your
life who have different political opinions than you.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I actually think.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
We need more people who are willing to be friends
with people across the island.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Just think about this.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I think it's hard to demonize Trump supporters if you,
like me, are an admitted Trump supporter, and people in
your life who may vote on the left are have
to think about you as that Trump supporter, as opposed
to just this amorphous idea they've created of Oh, the
Trump supporters are all dumb, ignorant, stupid, redneck, racist, transphobic, whatever, homophobic,
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whatever slurs you want, hitler, hitler, nazi bootstepping, awful human beings.
I think that you can only believe that if you
don't actually know Trump supporters in your life. And I
got to tell you, there's lots of people who vote Democrat.
Almost every single day I hear from somebody who says,
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you know what, Clay, I'm a little bit like you.
Go back and listen to what Bill Clinton said in
nineteen ninety two. It is nothing like what the modern
Democrat Party believes. Bill Clinton nineteen ninety two would be
a Republican right now, Bill Clinton nineteen ninety six Republican.
I'm not saying he's right on every issue, but Donald
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Trump used to be a Democrat.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
And then he saw the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Light and started to recognize how crazy everything was going.
Donald Trump gave money to the Clintons back in the day.
Trump is just saying, and there are a lot of
us out there that are just saying. And we look
around and we say, there's a crazy party and that's
the Democrats. And there's the same party and that's the Republicans.
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It's my opinion, but I bet a lot of you
in your lives, you know people who are voting Democrat
just because they decided they were on the Democrat team
when they were sixteen years old, and they may be
sixty six now. And the Democrat Party of fifty years
ago is nothing like the Democrat Party today. And every
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day a few of them see the light. They get
red pilled. And I think one way they do it
is by interacting with normal, rational, reasonable people who they
actually have a moment of thought and think, wait a minute,
Clay's not crazy, why is he a Trump guy? And
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they start to work through. Not everybody, but there are
enough people out there that start to think that through.
And that's how Trump win one in twenty twenty four,
That's how he won the popular vote. So I understand
the frustration out there of how do they not see
everything that I see? This is why I read everything.
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I am very confident that I could make the arguments
they make in the New York Times as good or
better than they do.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
But could too.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
We are aware of all of their arguments. We're making
the ones that we think are better, which is how
we ended up a Trump supporter. But I don't think
you help your arguments by just running in the corner,
covering your ears and being like, I only want to
be surrounded by people that agree with me on everything
every minute of every day. To me, that's what Democrats do.
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That's how their party has become toxic. That's how it's
become such a shrinking tent. You have to interact with
arguments with which you disagree to understand why you agree
with the ones that you do. So look, I love
the fact that Dean is a listener, but I don't
understand and don't think it's helpful to just say what
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a leftist would. I'm cutting everybody else off who doesn't
agree with me one hundred percent on everything. I don't
think that's healthy. I would never cut off friends or
family personally because of their politics, and I wouldn't want
you to either. I don't think that's healthy. Moreover, you
can't win doing that. The way you win is by
expanding your coalition. There aren't enough die hard right wingers
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to get anybody elected in any competitive state. You have
to appeal to reasonable, rational people out there that might
be super busy.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
They got real.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Things going on in your life. I got three boys.
Do you know how much time we spend scheduling getting
those boys to all of their events? I got a
ninth grade football game to get to. I really believe
that my son's games. It's almost like they're pranking us
to try to play the games in the most difficult
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places to get to at the most difficult place at
times five point thirty kickoff an hour and a half
from my house. We live in a major American city.
There's nowhere they could have gone close. No, we got
to drive all over the place. People are busy. I
appreciate y'all who are listening every single day and following
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and being super attentive with the politics of the moment.
You guys are what we should want from an enlightened electorate.
But if only people knew what was going on every
day in the country voted, there wouldn't be very many voters.
Most people are really busy trying to get their kids
to and from sporting events, trying to make sure they're
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making enough money to pay off their mortgage. They don't
have time to get enmeshed in every issue. A lot
of people just vote the way they have for a
long time. You gotta be there when suddenly they're tend
to go up and they think, for a minute, wait,
this doesn't make very much sense. That doesn't sound like
something that a Democrat would have said in nineteen eighty
eight or nineteen ninety eight. In fact, a lot of
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the arguments Trump's making right now, Democrats made them twenty
five thirty years ago. So that's my argument of how
you win politics is the art of persuasion. It's about
communication and making the right decisions. And if you decide
I don't want to communicate with anybody who is persuadable
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or willing to listen to you, I think you guarantee
that you're perpetually in the minority. Chris from Tampa GG
what's he got?
Speaker 13 (41:43):
Hey, Clay? I love you to death, But since you
brought it up, you always say you trust people more
if they watch football. I trust people less if they
watch football, because one minute they're mad at football, the
next minute they're not mad at football, and all the
crap that football's pulled over to years and sports just
in general for the most part. Well, all this protesting
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and crap, I'm not giving my money to the enemy.
Why I say I'm not doing something anymore, I'm not
doing it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
I respect that argument. Here's my argument in the contrary.
Then you just give over everything to left wingers. I
mean I could have just said, you know what, I'm
fed up with what I see from left wing politics.
I'm not gonna make arguments anymore. I'm not gonna found
out kick, I'm not gonna do this show and try
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to speak to a larger community. I'm not gonna worry
about sports media at all, because they disagree with me,
so I'm gonna go spend my time doing something else.
And by the way, the Titans are so bad that
a part of me is not watching as much NFL
just because my team is the worst in the NFL.
And I got other things that I would rather do
than watch my team get their ass kicked. But we're winning.
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What you're saying would lead to Oh'riiley Gaines was swimming
against a dude pretending to be a chick. She should
have just said I'm done with swimming and gone and
spent her time doing something else. Well, what about all
those other little girls out there. You don't win by
abandoning the battlefield. You might feel better, but to me,
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you're like the kid who takes his ball and goes
home when he's getting his ass kicked in a game.
I'm gonna put on the gloves and I'm gonna throw
punches because I think I'm better at it than the
other side. But if I just leve him and leave
him alone in the ring, he's gonna raise his arms
above the sky and name himself the champion, and he's
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gonna destroy, in my opinion, American culture, you win by fighting.
You don't win by abandoning the battlefield and saying, well,
they're mean, I don't agree with some of this stuff.
I'm out lace him up, put in your mouth, and
start throwing haymakers. That's what I do every day. And
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I think we've won because we have better arguments. But
that requires that you not abandon the battlefield. And so
I think the battlefield of culture is what ultimately decides
elections in this country. In sports is maybe the foremost battlefield.
And the reason why I trust sports fans is because
ultimately they're rational. Everybody believes in the scoreboard, and the
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scoreboard right now is Republicans are scoring points and making
sense and Democrats are not. And if you keep putting
points up on your side of the scoreboard, eventually the
culture changes and Donald Trump wins a popular vote victory.
And hopefully we can string several of those together. That's
my thought process, and trust me, I spend a lot
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for the Trump press conference and availability with Benjamin Nett
and Yahoo, so we hopefully we will join some of
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Speaker 1 (46:31):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're about
to go to the White House where President Trump is
speaking alongside of Benjamin net and Yahoo twenty part piece
plan for the Middle East. When we jump in here,
it's probably going to be complicated, like jumping into the
deep end of the pool. So I'm gonna be listening
along with you. We may pull out just because it's
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going to be so complicated and we're jumping in right
in the middle.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Let me give you one thing.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
In response to some of those callers saying like, hey,
I don't want to interact with anybody who voted the
other way. I don't think you can win that way.
Also got a story quickly here as we get ready
for Trump. You know what my grandparents did when they retired.
Grandfather worked in a factory, his whole life. Grandmother was
a school teacher in Georgia. Grandfather was a factory worker
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in the Chattanooga, Tennessee area. They went to work ministering
to prisoners who hadn't found Jesus yet. They set in
their homes and wrote letters constantly to prisoners people who
were in prison, often for doing very awful things, to
try to convince them to find Jesus in their life.
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Reason why I bring it up? If you are religious,
would you ever say I only want to interact with Christians.
If you truly believe that the goal of a religion
is to save people from eternal damnation, wouldn't you want
to focus on trying to save people like my grandparents did.
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In order to convert, you have to go to the unconverted.
It's easy to preach to the choir. It might make
you feel better to never be challenged. But real calling
is convincing people of something they have not yet realized.
In my opinion, that's the entire purpose of Christianity, because
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otherwise Christianity would have ended very quickly.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
If you said, oh, I'm only.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Going to talk to other people who are Christians, then
it would have never spread. It would have never turned
into the life changing and cultural enrichment that it became.
Just think about that. I understand that politics and religion
are somewhat different, but just think about that in your
own life. If I'm only talking to people who agree
with me all the time, how can you change the world,
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how can you make it better? And what would have
happened to Christianity if early Christians had said that I'm
only going to talk to people who are already Christians.
I don't have time for anybody else. It might make
you feel better internally, but it's not changing the world.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Trust me.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay, let's go live right now to what we hope
could change the world, which is peace in the Middle East.
Trump is trying to help make it happen. Benjamin Thatt
and Yahoo there with him. This is White House right
now live.
Speaker 8 (49:30):
The leaders of the Arab world and Israel and everybody
involved ask me to do this, so it would be
headed by a gentleman known as President Donald J.
Speaker 10 (49:40):
Trump of the United States.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
It's what I want is some extra work to do,
but it's so important that I'm willing to do.
Speaker 10 (49:48):
It, and we'll do it right.
Speaker 8 (49:51):
And we're going to put leaders from other countries on
and leaders that are very distinguished leaders.
Speaker 10 (49:56):
And we'll have a board and one of the people
that wants to.
Speaker 8 (49:59):
Be on the board is the UK former Prime Minister
Tony Blair, good Man, very good man, and some others,
and they'll be named over the next few days and
it'll be quite the board working. Everybody wants to be
on it.
Speaker 10 (50:15):
Now.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
I don't know if that had anything to do they
name me and everybody else wanted to be on it.
I guess they figure, well, he's a soft touch, he'll
be easy to deal.
Speaker 10 (50:24):
With, working with the World Bank and others.
Speaker 8 (50:27):
It will be responsible for recruiting and training a new
government that will be made up of Palestinians along with
highly qualified experts from all around the world. Hamas and
other terrorist factions will play no role in the board,
but they'll play no role in the governance of Gaza
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at all, directly or indirectly. As you know, thousands of
Hamas leaders have been killed and soldiers killed, and we
can never forget October seventh, but thousands have paid the
price for that. And now it's time to get our
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hostages back and get back to trying to build something
that's really great and very important in our meeting today
Prime Minister Netya, who is very clear about his opposition
to a Palestinian state, and he continuously mentions October seventh,
and I understand that most people do, and I understand
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and respect his position on many things. But what he's
doing today is so good for Israel. And I noticed
that they have large crowds gathering in Israel all the time,
and they have my name up.
Speaker 10 (51:42):
They like me for whatever reason. Maybe I don't know,
but they do like me. But they say two things.
Speaker 8 (51:50):
Please get the hostages back and please end the war.
They've had it. So I think it's a very popular
thing you do because he's a warrior that know about
getting back to a normal way of life. But he
is a warrior and Israel is lucky to have him.
But now the people want to get back to peace.
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They want to get back to normalization in a true sense.
Several countries have foolish you recognized the Palestinian state. As
you know, some European friends, allies, good people, but they're really,
I think, doing that because they're very tired of what's
going on for so many decades. They've been presidents in
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prime ministers for years and during this time having to
do with the Middle East, all they're doing is talking
about the same thing over and over.
Speaker 10 (52:38):
They want to see it get back, and.
Speaker 8 (52:40):
Nobody wants that more than me or I believe BB two.
But the people of Israel want it, they really want it.
They want the hostages back. That includes the probably thirty
two bodies that we're talking about, twenty people that are living,
thirty two or so people that are dead. And they
want to have peace. So let us not forget how
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we got here. Hamas was elected by the Palestinian people.
Israel withdrew from Gaza thinking they would live in peace.
Speaker 10 (53:12):
Remember that long time ago. They withdrew.
Speaker 8 (53:14):
They said, you take it, this is our contribution to peace.
But that didn't work out. That didn't work out. It
was the opposite of peace. They pulled away. They let
them have it. And I never forgot that because I said,
that doesn't sound like a good deal to me as
a real estate person. I mean, they gave up the ocean,
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right ron, They gave up the ocean. They said, who
would do this deal? And it still didn't work out.
They were very generous, actually, and they gave up the
most magnificent peace of land in many ways in the
Middle East, and they said, all we want to do
now is have peace, and.
Speaker 10 (53:54):
That request was not honored.
Speaker 8 (53:57):
Instead of building a better life for the Palestinians, and
mass diverted resources to build over four hundred miles of
tunnels and terror infrastructure, rocket production facilities, and hit their
military command posts and launch sites in hospital, schools and mosques.
So if you want after them, you'd be after them
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and you wouldn't even realize you ended up knocking out
a hospital or school or a mosque.
Speaker 10 (54:22):
That terrible, terrible, terrible way to have to fight. No
fighter is good, but that's a real bad one.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
So there are many Palestinians who wish to live in peace, many,
many of many.
Speaker 10 (54:34):
I've seen so many of them, and they have support.
Speaker 8 (54:39):
And I challenge the Palestinians to take responsibility for their destiny,
because that's what we're giving them. We're giving them responsibility
for their destiny. Fully condemned and prohibit terrorism and earn
their way to a brighter future. They don't want the
life that they've had. They've had a rough life with
the moss. If the Palestinian authority does not complete the
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reforms that I laid out and my vision for peace
in twenty twenty, they'll have only themselves to blame. We're
giving them an amazing footprint, and they have amazing support
from the leaders of the Arab world and the Muslim world.
Great leaders, These are great leaders. These are unbelievable leaders
that have built great countries and very wealthy countries. What
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the future holds for the Palestinians, no one really knows.
But the plan that we put forward today is focused
on ending the war immediately, getting all of our hostages back,
getting everything back, hard to believe when you even say it,
and creating conditions for durable Israeli security and Palestinian success
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is rarely. Security is going to be involved. We're going
to help you. We'll be there with you in terms
of helping with security. We want to make sure it works.
We just want to make sure it works. They shouldn't
be a shot fired. Now there will be, I guess,
because that's the way it seems to be, but they
shouldn't have to be within a few days. They shouldn't
have to be a shot fired. And maybe for eternity,
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wouldn't that be nice? I hope it's true. I can
tell you the leadership of that region feels that there's
a good chance of it being true.
Speaker 10 (56:19):
So this will lead.
Speaker 8 (56:20):
To a disagreement that we're talking about, will lead to
a sustainable, long term piece. No president in history has
been a greater friend of the State of Israel than
I have. In addition to negotiating the Abraham Accords, I
like to say it that way because the real people
that's what they call Abraham. I would say Abraham, but
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it's so much nicer when you say Abraham.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
All right, that is vintage Trump. Let's pull here, We're
going to go to a break. Biggest takeaway here is
that Trump is putting the onus on Hamas. He said,
quote if accepted by Hamas, this proposal calls for the
release of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case
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more than seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
The hostages are coming back. But if they do not agree.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
To this, he is saying, basically, you're gonna have to
deal with net and Yahoo, essentially Hamas and the people
of Gaza. This is my last best offer, and it's
time to accept it. We'll continue to monitor. We'll grab
you a couple of clips as we are going to
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break here. This is all happening in real time. Trump
trying as many presidents before him have and frankly, as
every president before him so far has failed to create
a form of lasting peace in the Middle East. Is
a twenty part piece plan that the White House has released,
that is he is discussing right now. Very complicated, but
(57:57):
we certainly will be talking about it a lot, probably
starting tomorrow throughout the course of the week as we
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