October 9, 2025 • 58 mins
A Win for Peace
A historic Middle East peace agreement brokered by President Donald Trump. The hosts analyze Trump’s announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, which includes the imminent release of hostages held since the October 7, 2023 terror attacks. According to Trump, approximately 20 hostages are still alive, and their return is expected Monday, alongside the remains of others who perished in captivity. Clay and Buck emphasize the monumental nature of this deal, calling it one of the most transformative peace efforts in modern history.
The discussion explores Trump’s unique ability to negotiate across traditional divides, earning praise even from critics like Washington Post columnist David Ignatius. The hosts highlight Trump’s plan to address the Israeli Knesset, the formation of a “Council of Peace” to oversee Gaza’s rebuilding, and the broader implications for global diplomacy, including potential progress in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. They also tackle the controversy surrounding Trump’s possible Nobel Peace Prize candidacy, arguing that motivations matter less than results when world peace is at stake.
President Peacemaker
Analysis of President Donald Trump’s latest cabinet meeting and his bold claim of negotiating peace in eight major conflicts worldwide, including Armenia-Azerbaijan, Congo-Rwanda, Iran-Israel, India-Pakistan, Cambodia-Thailand, Serbia-Kosovo, and Ethiopia-Egypt. Clay and Buck spotlight Trump’s efforts to end the Israel-Hamas war, secure hostage releases, and pivot toward resolving the Russia-Ukraine conflict, which remains stalled due to Vladimir Putin’s territorial ambitions and disregard for casualties. The hosts debate whether Trump’s peace initiatives could merit a Nobel Peace Prize, contrasting his tangible achievements with past awards given for far less.
Rush and Buck
The conversation pivots to the transformative impact of Elon Musk’s ownership of X (formerly Twitter) on American political discourse. Clay and Buck highlight data showing a dramatic shift in platform demographics—from a 37-point Democrat advantage in 2021 to a 14-point Republican edge today—underscoring how X has become a critical battleground for free speech. They contrast Musk’s principled stance with the opportunistic behavior of other tech leaders like Mark Zuckerberg, warning that platforms such as Facebook and TikTok remain vulnerable to political influence. The hosts also revisit Rush Limbaugh’s prescient call for conservative billionaires to invest in media platforms, noting Musk’s acquisition of Twitter as a game-changing move. They explore the future of AI-driven algorithms, predicting ideological divides between “woke AI” and Musk’s free-speech-oriented models.
Sen. Tommy Tuberville
Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville joins the show to discuss GOP strategy during the shutdown, the importance of protecting farmers and military funding, and his reaction to Trump’s Middle East breakthrough. Tuberville also weighs in on rumors that sports media personality Paul Finebaum may run for Senate in Alabama, emphasizing the need for conservative credentials and grassroots campaigning. The senator shares candid thoughts on ESPN’s leftward shift, political polarization, and his own experience being targeted by federal agencies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We are back together on the same show, and it
is one that is filled with tons of news, most
of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as
he has continued his world tour and we've got a
speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening,
so that will be very fun. But right off the top,
(00:29):
President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope
is a lasting peace arrangement.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will
monitor and see what additional news is outstanding there. But
let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown.
Monday is expected to be the day for the return
of the living hostages that have been held now for
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over two years, since the October seventh, twenty twenty three
terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears
that there are around twenty different hostages that are still
alive and they've been held in the most extreme, awful
conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems
(01:25):
likely to happen. There has also been a cease fire
agreed to in Gaza, and let me play a couple
of cuts here. Cut one is President Trump on the
phone with the hostage family members. You can listen to
them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know
that their family members are coming home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Cut one, President of Trump, you have the best crowd
in the world. What do you guys have to say
to President Trump?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Thank you. This is amazing, mister President. We believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We know you've done so much for us over the
past since you became a president, even before that, and
we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every
forty eight of the hostages are home.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Blessed be the Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
God, bless you, mister President.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You just said here yourselves, the hostages will come back
there coming coming back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Buck. Here's my big takeaway here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They have spent a decade telling all of us that
are Trump supporters that we are Nazis, that Trump is
Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing
with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue
to enact here against the people of Israel. That is
(03:03):
the Muslim fundamentalist, the Islamic terrorists. They are going to
continue to attack, but to the extent that we can
have some form of normalcy return to the Middle East,
and for Trump to get these hostages home. We hope
and pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones
that are still alive, I think twenty expected to still
(03:24):
be alive. Twenty eight bodies that are still being held,
is my understanding. Of those forty eight that number there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This would be one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle East peace agreements
that has ever been entered into by any president Israel.
As I know, I was over there in December, and
as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is
the most popular American president probably in the history of
Israel being a country. And this is a moment that
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I think many of us believed was likely to occur,
and it's one that should provoke a great deal of
cognitive dissonance in the minds of all the people who
have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's
going to bring about World War three. This is an
incredible accomplishment and Trump and his entire team should be
praised to the high heavens regardless of what partisan lens
(04:16):
you've viewed this from. This is not just a home run.
This is an upper deck grand slam. If it comes
to fruition, that would lead to one of the greatest
outcomes for peace in the history of any of our lives.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate
on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen
some of this clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's
wrong ninety nine times, if they're right on the hundredth
you know, even if he's doing it just because just
because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at
him over this, but they have to admit that a
(04:48):
win is a win. As they say online, a win
is a win. You got to take the win, take
the w here, and I think it's important to view
this the deal is in phases. Our sense of this
should follow meaning it is enormously it is enormous progress.
It is enormously encouraging that the war is coming to
(05:09):
a stop, a cease fire. This is actually happening right
that there won't be bloodshed unless at this point, if
Hamas were to blow this deal up at this stage,
Israel's just gonna hunt them all down and kill them. Also,
I don't think that they're going to do that. This
is going to save lives. The fact that the hostages
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are going home, the fact that Israel is trading for
forty eight total, including some the remains of hostages. Can
I also note here all the hostages should be alive. Yes,
this is something that doesn't get enough. These hostages were
in the custody of Hamas. They could have kept them
all alive. Something I'm going to keep returning to here, Clay,
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these are not Israel and Hamas are not morally equivalent,
nowhere near it as entities. This is a situation. People
can say it is simplistic, but in terms of the
combatants involved here it is good guys and bad guys.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Israel are the good guys. That is just reality.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
But the war coming to an end is obviously an
enormously encouraging a humanitarian step.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And Trump was the guy able to get this done
because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm,
which is you have to beat your either pro Israeli
or your pro Muslim pro Arab and you know, anti
Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks
down with Trump. It's no hold on, guys. I just
have a goal here. I want this thing to be done.
(06:39):
I'm willing to push and make concessions and deal make
for both sides. It's enormously you know, enormously encouraging, and
I'm very, very pleased the President has gotten this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is
President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity Show last night.
Here he is cut a You heard him say the
hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he
is speaking in more detail. We should also say, before
replace some of these things, there are people who want
war to continue. There are many of them, and so
it wouldn't stun me or shock me if there are
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after effects, sort of post action agreement that is designed
to try to derail this between now and then. In fact,
I think we should expect them before we place some
of those cuts. Can I just throw as an addendum
to what you just said, there are American democrats, There
are leftists in our country who truly would rather see
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this conflict, which they call a genocide.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Mind you, it is not a genocide, but they call
it a genocide. If they had their choice, they would
rather the quote unquote genocide continue. Then Trump get the
credit for ending this, which tells you a lot about
the people involved. A lot of people who are saying
cease fire within hours of the initial October seventh terrorist attack,
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which was a bad faith. Israel's not allowed to defend itself,
maneuver Clay all of a sudden, cease fires or suspect
to them.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Isn't that so strange? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And you would think if you truly believe that a
genocide were occurring, that you would take to the streets
to celebrate. Have there been celebrations from the pro Palestindian activists? Again,
they don't want peace, they want a perpetual war. So
my concern is a terrorist actor will try, probably multiple
of them, to stage attacks to derail this peace process.
(08:32):
But here's Trump talking about, as you laid out, Buck,
this is a multi step process. There are many different
actions that have to be undertaken. But Hamas turning over
the hostages is basically the end of Hamas being able
to bargain in any way. The reason they took these
two hundred and fifty hostages in the first place was
(08:52):
so they could continue to bargain in some way with Israel.
This was very intentional on their part. Once the hostages
and the bodies, Unfortunately, as you said, Buck, of those
hostages whose lives were lost while they were in captivity,
once all of that is turned back over, Hamas has
no bargaining power left again. This is why they took
(09:13):
these hostages. But this is Trump last night on Sean
Hannity's show Cut.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Eight, I think you're going to see all of that disappear.
I think you're going to see people getting along and
you'll see guys are being rebuilt. We're forming a council
that the Council of Peace.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
We think it's going to be called, and it's going
to be very powerful, and it's going to really, I think,
to a large extent, it's going to have a lot
to do with the whole Gaza situation. People are going
to be taken care of. It's going to be a
different world.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Really the Middle East came together amazingly, they came together.
You know, they have some countries with extraordinary wealth and
just spending a small portion of that wealth can do
so much for that area.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
So will we'll be involved in it. But the big,
the big thing, as hostages are going to be released,
it's probably our time would be probably Monday, And.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed. The
last I saw is that Trump is going to travel
to the Middle East and address the Israeli legislature the
Knesset in person for the first time since George Bush Senior,
sorry Bush junior, George W. Bush, since he spoke in
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two thousand and eight. So all of this is potentially transformative. Again,
there are many different steps that it must be followed,
but Trump said he was going to bring peace here.
If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel
Peace Prize. I also think this then we'll put more
of a attention on the Ukraine Russia conflict to see
(10:52):
if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace
to the world within the first year of his presidency.
This is pretty impressive, even you mentioned it, Buck, even
people who hate Trump. The Washington Post David Ignatius h
said ignacious, ignacious, No way this would have happened if
(11:13):
it were not for the For Trump's particular action. When
you get in praise from the Washington Post, that's a
sign that that you've upset the Apple card of expectations.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Cut to the deal that President Trump is announcing played
a key part in negotiating. Is a significant change. This
war was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him,
was unable to find a way to stop it. President
Trump found that found that way by being tough on
both sides.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
And you'll take a victory lap for sure over the
next few days, but it's it's deserved.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
There's no way that I can.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
See that this would have been done without Trump's pressure
in the final hours.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is
not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's worked
explicitly against the Trump administration and Trump himself in the
past as really an activist journalist. But I would say
this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People
will sometimes draw the line at saying things that everybody
will recognize sounds dumb, and anybody who can admit that
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this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but
a huge win for really everybody of good faith in
the Middle East, here at home, around the world. A
war coming to a terminus, and people no longer dying
is a good thing. And Trump's role in this is
undeniable and he deserves about and maybe the Nobel Peace Prize,
although we should talk about I have a theory about
(12:42):
the Nobel Peace Prize component of this.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm sure you do too. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm curious how many people, actually, let's just say Jewish
in particular, do any of them that have been so
virulently anti Trump, primarily in the United States, not in
Israel itself? How do they react to this? Have you
been telling everybody for a decade, this guy is Hitler
two point zero? At some point do you recognize that
(13:08):
you're the bad guy and that you've been wrong about everything?
Or is it too difficult to acknowledge that you've been
wrong such that the I don't even know how you
address this?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do they have the tears to acknowledge?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Yeah, it's weird to say you would think that Trump
is hit is Hitler like except for the fact that
the Jewish state would tell you almost universally, Trump is
the greatest ally they've had in the Oval office in
our lifetime. That's a weird that's a weird circle to square,
you know, That's a tough one to make sense of.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And this is why people the cognitive dissonance that is
necessary to be a Democrat, and as you point out,
a to be a liberal American Democrat jew who thinks
that Trump is.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hitler is a bizarre place to be, but that exists.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There's plenty of how Yeah, you're right, And I just wonder,
because I try to be hyper rational, what are they
thinking this morning as they wake up, and what are
they going to be thinking when Trump, hopefully on Monday,
is able to return these hostages after two years in
captivity and that to actually end.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They're gonna say that the war was basically.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Coming to an end anyway, and that Trump is taking
You know, they'll always you can always.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Find a way, man.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You can always come up with some rationalization for your
hate or your disdain. Let's remember, it's not Trump analysis syndrome.
It's Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So I think that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But bringing peace to the Middle East is a tough
one to square with the Hitler with the Hitler talk.
Even for them, I think this is a boy, maybe
he's not pure evil, and maybe I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Historically now, I mean, you would.
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Speaker 10 (16:59):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Did you go home home from Taiwan?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I had two days at home, but I really want
to be home again. I've I've even had some interesting
opportunities to travel later this month playing I'm just I
just want to be home. I'm a homebody in general,
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Ginger Spice and that's the plan. But yeah, Taiwan twelve
hour time difference really takes a while to get get
back on schedule. That you you just went from Central
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time to well actually still Central time right at the Panhandle.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Or is the manandle of Central time?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I did drive into the Eastern time zone for the
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Speaker 2 (17:37):
But it was pretty easy recovery.
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Speaker 6 (17:42):
After East Coast time You're like, oh, okay, yeah, but
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That's good news.
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By the way, people kept asking me about us, mister Finebaum. Yes,
and I saw people and they said they were asking
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You'll have to explain this to everyone later on in
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Speaker 1 (18:00):
We got Tommy tumberbole on at the bottom the hour.
We're probably not ask him about it. But yeah, Paul Feinbaum,
it's potentially going to be running for the Senate from Alabama,
so yeah, it's been a big story.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And people kept asking me.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I'm like, yeah, I celebrate fine Baum's whole career as
his whole catalog, full catalog of football things. So we
have some updates here from the cabinet meeting that just happened.
So let's dive into some of that because that's the
latest from Trump. I think this is really interesting, Clay,
because I wanted to do a little research.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
On this on my own.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Last night, Trump spoke about not only is he taking
a taking a bow, and yeah, I think if you
help negotiate the end of carnage that is taking human
lives and maiming people. And you know, war is a
terrible thing. It truly is a terrible thing. Sometimes a
necessary thing, but it is still a terrible thing. I
think taking a bow is fine, and I think that
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Trump deserves that and then some. But it's not just
on on Israel and the end of this conflict with Gaza.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
This is cut thirty three. He lays out the whole.
He gives you the whole number. Listen to this.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
You remember we settled seven. This is number eight. We
settled seven wars or major conflicts, but wars, and this
is number eight. And the one that I thought would
be maybe the quickness of all would be Russia Ukraine,
and I think that's going to happen too. But in
the meantime, they're losing about seven thousand people a week,
and that seems pretty bad. They're losing mostly soldiers, young soldiers.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
They go out to.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
War and they getting killed.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And while it doesn't affect us in a.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Lot of ways, we've got a big ocean in between.
You don't want to see that happen. It was a
big mistake that war should have never happened. It would
have never happened if I were president.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Trump doesn't want wars, which is a very good premise
to star wits. So Clay, can I can I give
you the list here and you can, yeah, the list
of conflicts that Trump was involved in bringing to either
a ceasefire or some kind of an agreement to end
the fighting. We have Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics.
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Trump signed a peace agreement between them on the eighth
of August. That war been going on for decades, and
the leaders of both countries were very much thankful to
Trump for helping to negotiate this one Democratic Republic of
the Congo and Rwanda that was June. Back in June
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of this year, a ceasefire announced on June twenty third
between Iran and Israel after the bombing of the nuclear sites.
India and Pakistan on a border dispute. Cambodia and Thailand,
they had a ceasefire July twenty eighth. They fought for
five days but people were dying. And then from the
(20:52):
first administration, I think clay he adds Serbia and Kosovo.
He helped get an agreement with them, and I think
he did something. Oh yeah, and Ethiopia and Egypt. Trump
dealt with a dispute between them over a hydro power dam,
so it was more of a conflict than it was
a war. But that is the list. That is quite
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a world tour that he has put together.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yes, and again it goes to the point that I had,
which is the criticism of Trump that would actually it's
not a good criticism in my opinion, but the one
that you could make is he's too focused on bringing
peace to the world, and how does that actually impact
America in any kind of significant way. I'm not saying
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I sign off on it, but that's the criticism of Trump.
He's too focused on world peace and many of these
conflicts don't directly involve the United States, So why is
the president spending his time on them? That is the
criticism you could levy. It's the exact opposite criticism they
spent a decade on Trump, which is he's a modern
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day Hitler.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
War War, World War three.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Is going to ensue. Let me ask you this, Buck.
The clip you played I think is interesting because I
think Trump thought that he would be able to solve
Ukraine and Russia faster than he has. I think he
would say that if he came on with us, and
I think he thought that because he felt as if
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he had a relationship with Putin that he could use
to bring peace there and again, unlike in Israel in
the Middle East, where you have let's be fair and
intractable in many ways conflict between Jewish and Muslim religious faiths.
Not to mention the Christian component rolled in as well.
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Russia and Ukraine is basically a civil war.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Again.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I understand the lines of the battle and everything else,
but the Russian and Ukrainian people historically have much in common,
and there doesn't seem to be any real game to
speak of that's being fought over now. I think he's
frustrated over the fact that he can't get peace there.
And what does it say about that conflict that a
(23:11):
true religious war is getting peace before a border dispute
between two historical, historically connected people.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Well, the reason that there's not a ceasefire in Russia Ukraine,
I think is pretty straightforward, unfortunately, and it's that Putin
thinks that he's winning and will keep taking territory with
the status quo, I mean that he's going to get
more and more, So why stop in his mind, because
the casualties, the humanitarian cost, he is absolutely willing to
pay that price on both sides. Something that is particularly
(23:45):
jarring about Putin is he certainly has no is not
losing any sleep at night about Ukrainian casualties. He's not
losing any sleep about Russian casualties either. Yeah, this is,
unfortunately the mindset that he operates with. So that means
that conflict is likely to continue on unless there's a
real change in that. Trump has at least started to
(24:05):
push in that direction publicly. If Putin starts to feel
like they are losing some territory inside of Ukraine. Maybe
then there'd be more of a willingness, But that's a
tough ask for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
How much do you think this is cultural in that
the way Russia defines itself in the modern era from
a positive perspective is by the sacrifice that the country
was willing to make during World War Two. And so
if you go back in time historically Russia, obviously the
collapse of communism and the Cold War that they lost,
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it's not something that is a point of pride in
that country. But how much of the willingness of Russians
to accept frankly, huge, huge casualty numbers is a function
of that patriotic connection to the past, where basically the
entire country giving up the flower of the US is
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seen as one of the true bravest moments and most
sterling moments in all of Russian history.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Well, this is how Russians fight wars, just with throwing
manpower at it. They've they've generally had they had really
weak speaking of generally generals in World War Two because
of the Soviet Purge, So they had a lot of
a lot of problems with that. Now some of the
(25:28):
people talk about like General Zukov. Some of the generals
in Russian past have have been talented, but they generally
throw a lot of bodies at the problem, and that's
what they're doing in Ukraine as well. So, yeah, I
don't know how Trump that's the big one that is
on the list next to bring us back to Trump
the peacemaker if he can. I would say this, then
(25:50):
people might already feel that way, and that's fine. They
might be saying, if he doesn't get the Nobel Peace
Prize for this deal, it's effectively a meaningless award anyway,
because it's just some partisan tool the global elites. I
think that's probably already true. But if he were to
end the Russia Ukraine War two and it was clear
that he had a central role in that and after.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This and didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize, then it's
a total joke.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, maybe it's already there, but it definitely would be
a total joke at that point.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Somebody just texted me or email me that once Obama
got the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, it had become
a participation trophy in many ways, as opposed to a
reward for an award. For what you actually accomplished. I
do wonder if peace in the Middle East, if he
(26:37):
suddenly is able to pivot in many ways directly to
Ukraine Russia. I still don't understand how this gets resolved
in meaning Ukraine Russia, because to your point, Putin basically
knows that long term he has the ability to lean
on Ukraine, and we still don't know exactly where that
(26:59):
laws is.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Where.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
If he gets this amount of territory, he's satisfied, And
it just feels kind of intractable at this point to me,
because if Trump can't get it solved negotiation wise, to
your point, it seems quite clear that Vladimir Putin just
will not end this war. So how do you in
any way ended when Putin just refuses.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Well, see, this is what I meant by he doesn't
leave lose sleep at night over the casualties. There's no
moral or humanitarian imperative that is at work with Vladimir
Putin at all.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This is it's pure force.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I think the Israelis, I think the IDF for a
for a while have just wanted Look, we're willing to stop,
we don't want to have to keep doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
But we have to know that they're going to stop.
On the other side, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You have that with this, and we have to get
the hostages, which is what the HOSS has refused to
release unfortunately.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
And I know that we're very pleased, as of course
we should be. I mean people I know, people who
were teering up at the news about the hostages going
that some of the hostages are going home. But I
just can't. I can't forget that a lot of hostages
are not going home alive. Yes, and that is an
active decision that was made. They had civilians in custody
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and they let them die or they killed them one
or the other, I mean, which is the same thing.
They're in your custody. So they killed civilians that they
were holding as hostages.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So the moral.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Calculations here should be very clear to everybody about who
the good guys are, who the bad guys are. But
I do think that Trump now turning his there's going
to be some focus on this, of course, but turning
his attention to rush Ukraine issue. It has to be
what are the incentives for Putin to stop? Yes, you
have to change incentives with him. He is a It
(28:49):
is like dealing with a rattlesnake. You cannot say, hey,
don't bite me. That's mean it has to be you
back off or I'm going to take your head.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Which I think Trump gets because Trump's new focus has
been let's keep Russia from being able to sell their
oil through India. We're going to put a penalty on India.
And he's given Ukraine the ability in theory to actually
threaten Russia in a way with armaments and weaponry that
has not occurred so far. The risk there, obviously is
(29:22):
you accelerate the war as opposed to decelerating it. So
but I think you're right. I mean Putin has to
fear something, and ultimately I think that's what Trump has
come to realize that otherwise there is no way to
actually end this war. We'll take some of your calls,
some of your talkbacks much less serious.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Buck, get your pen.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. One bit
of breaking news here as we go into the third
hour of the program, a new poll has just been
released by Quinnipiac in the New York City Mayor's race,
now down to three since Eric Adams has dropped out.
(31:39):
According to this poll, Zoron Mamdani forty six percent support,
Andrew Cuomo thirty three percent support, Curtis Sliwa fifteen percent support. So, uh,
that is that is how all of this is breaking out.
(32:00):
And I would say, Buck, the story in New York
City continues to be that so long as there are
three candidates that are running, then Mom Donnie is going
to win, and Mom Donnie is probably going to win comfortably.
We will get into the Virginia race. We're going to
have Jason Miarez, who is dealing with the Jay Jones
(32:24):
Democrat nominee and the awful text messages that have come
out from the Democrat nominee. But you've got the Virginia race,
you got the New Jersey race, and we are sitting
about almost exactly three weeks away from the official election
day of twenty twenty five, with all of those being
very important races.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But we talked about as we were going to break.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The way that X has changed the conversation in the
country right now, and I wanted to play for you
Harry Inton on CNN talking about what the makeup is
of Twitter now in the wake of Elon Musk buying it.
When did he buy a buck twenty two? If I'm
(33:08):
not mistaken, I think it's been about three years that
Elon has run Twitter. Here is what the data reflects.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
To go back to twenty twenty one, the party I
D margin, You're thirty seven points more likely to be
a Democrat on Twitter or X than a Republican. Jump
ahead to this side of the screen. It's completely changed around.
Oh my goodness, gracious now it's a fourteen point lead
for Republicans on Twitter slash X.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
We're talking about a fifty one point shift in the margin.
Speaker 12 (33:34):
You know, there are a lot of folks that I
know we are on the left side of the isle
who ran over to Blue Sky, ran over to threads.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But here's the field.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The bottom line is those are minuscule compared to Twitter
or x use this social media. In twenty twenty five,
twenty one percent of Americans are on Twitter or x threads.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It's just eight percent.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
Looseky even smaller, just four percent. You add together the
four plus the eight that gets you to twelve percent.
That is only about half the level that are on
Twitter slash sex.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So the impact is real, Buck, and I think it
has been utterly transformative in terms of how the nation
debates and discusses the biggest issues in the country.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Well, it shows you that Democrats are unable to win
arguments unless they've got us just out platformed and outnumbered. Right,
this is like if you're gonna get into a if
you're gonna get into a scuffle with somebody, there's one
on one and there's ten on one. And even if
you're a really good, you know, really good fighter, quite honestly,
(34:35):
two on one is really hard. But if it's ten
on one, you're not gonna you're not gonna win that battle.
And that's what democrats have had with social media and
with a lot of the legacy media systems that they've
had and long established control of.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So we've seen a.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Break in that, and people will rightly point out, well,
hold on, they still you know, TikTok is still left
wing dominated.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know, face this book is.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Facebook is like okay right now, because I think Zuckerberg
realizes that you don't want to get Trump upset at you.
But the fact of the matter is they can't suppress
stories the days of the Hunter Biden laptop media fiasco,
or at least for right now gone, they would not
be able to do what they did do, which was,
(35:25):
let's remind everybody there was even more stuff about this
that just came out, documents showing that they didn't that Biden,
the whole thing with Biden going to Ukraine, the obvious corruption,
the obvious handout for his family, and the payoffs for
Hunter Biden and everything.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It was all true.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
All the stuff at the right was saying about this
that we've been talking about Clay on this show for
years was all accurate. But when they tried to hide
the Hunter Biden laptop story in twenty twenty, they were
able to largely do it because of the control they
had of the online media ecosystem, which is now the
new public Square. Elon Musk has broken the back of
(36:02):
that and that is a huge benefit I think it
made an enormous difference in Trump's election, and I think
it makes an enormous difference in the Left doesn't even
want to fight us anymore publicly, like they won't actually
try the stuff that they used to because they can't
count on having us outnumbered and ambushed online.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I used to.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Feel attacked all the time on social media all the time,
to the last time somebody really came after me, and
I think partly it's algorithmic, so you see less of that.
I think that's probably by design, but the marketplace of
ideas is real. My concern is on Twitter X, my
(36:45):
concern about YouTube and TikTok and Facebook. Facebook's a good
example because it's existed for a long time. Mark Zuckerberg
moves in whatever direction the political currents move.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Think that he has a consistent core. If Barack Obama's
in office, he's going to do things that make Obama happy.
If Biden is he's going to do things that make
Biden happy. And now Trump's in office, and he's going
to do things that make Trump happy. My concern is
there is no core principle that you can point to
(37:22):
at Facebook other than We're going to make the party
in power as happy as we possibly can. I do
think Elon has demonstrated that he's willing to take the
slings and arrows of attack, even when it has a
significant financial component associated with it, in a way that
the other leaders of these media companies have not. Now,
(37:45):
I'm somewhat cautiously optimistic that the new paramount leadership the Ellisons,
because Larry Ellison, the second richest man in the world,
has been pretty stubborn and been willing to have people
attack him before. And he is a Tim Scott backer
who has been active in Republican politics before. So I'm
(38:06):
cautiously optimistic that he's going to provide some legacy media
backbone there. We know Rupert Murdoch has taken slings and
arrows for generations with the New York Posts, the Wall
Street Journal, in Fox. But do you agree with me
the Zuckerbergs of the world. I mean, if Kavin Newsom
wins in twenty god forbid in twenty twenty eight, I
(38:28):
think he'll go right back to whatever makes Gavin Newsom happy.
I don't think there's a principle there.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I'm one hundred percent in my mind at least certain
that that is the case that a lot of what
we've seen with these social media companies. I think that Elon,
who can be a mercurial guy on some things, but
I think that on the issue of free speech and
free exchange of ideas, he is deeply devoted to that.
(38:54):
And I think that that's the best you can ask
Where people say, well, now it's just at the whim
of Elon musk on x well' the whim of a
guy who truly believes in the principle. I think that
that's the best you can ask for because it's not
a public utility and they're not going to be able
to regulate it like one. And now it's not a
social justice left wing woke looney bin.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So it's better.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It's a lot better than it was, and we've got
to take the wins where we can on this to
the point that it is. And this is where Rush
read from you saying billionaires need to get involved back
in the day, and it's like, I'm far from a billionaire,
but it's why I found it out.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Kick. The best thing you can do is put your
money where your mouth is.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
If you are listening to us, right now, and you've
been frustrated over the way that media and the way
that politics has and culture has been influenced in this country.
The best thing you can do is put your money
on the table and try to impact that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And I believe Elon is going.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
To remain committed to free speech. The challenge here is
there's only a couple of guys and right now are
all guys that are truly committed to free speech. And
this is why I come back to as good as
Trump is and as great as Trump two point zero
has been so far, what is ailing our country is
(40:14):
going to take twenty years to fix and mention by
the way, President can't make it happen.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
The team actually has that cut of Rush. This was
back in June of twenty twenty talking about this exact problem,
Cut thirty one.
Speaker 13 (40:28):
Many of you might remember the former guest host on
this program, Buck Sextead of the CIA. Buck now tweets
a lot. Does he have his own show now? Or
yeah he does? Wait wait, Buck has been on a
tweet storm and had to put it in one of
those one of those thread apps because there's so many
(40:51):
tweets and he's ticked off at how conservative everything has
just given up.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
He has just.
Speaker 13 (40:59):
Seated the country seated, Hollywood seeded, music seated, television seated,
the media seated.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Everything. Doesn't understand it.
Speaker 13 (41:09):
If one of the conservative billionaires out there has any
stomach for saving their country from this mob, they should
buy and flip a major media platform or fund a
new one and make it an unsinkable aircraft's carrier of
true free speech.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
That is what Elon did. Yeah, he did it about
two years later, Clay. But that was the only answer,
and that's why Rush I think, seized on this right away.
That was the only way we were going to break
It was essentially a speech blockade that they were running.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
And also, this is where sometimes builds your own just
doesn't work because the scale of success required to truly
influence society. They tried with Blue Sky, they've tried with Threads.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
And that's not me because they're not trying to do
it with those platforms. It's because they aren't going to
reach the same level of influence because it's very hard
to get an influential app built and you can't just
build a new one.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
I try to tell people also, you've got to be
careful even if you are an occasional an occasional viewer
and user of Blue Sky, because as a guy, your
testosterol level will immediately drop down to that of like
a twelve year old girl, and you'll start just to
have like Brad Stealte. You'll be lucky around the house,
(42:32):
be like I was just a Blue Sky and I'm
so upset about Trump's fascism.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So just be careful.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Blue Sky only in limited doses if you want to
see how crazy the left is. But you know, Clay,
it's like trying to clean up the nuclear reactor. The
longer you're in there, the more exposed to the fallout
you are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And I would point out too that you went on
there to your credit after the Charlie Kirk assassination. Those
platforms are far more toxic than Parlor, for instance, which
they decided was the cause of the January sixth event,
and they shut it down and suddenly you couldn't even
get on the Internet. And to a large extent, there
(43:14):
is no pressure to regulate them in any way. And
you know where now, Honestly, the most fervent left wingers
go together is Reddit. That is their platform of choice,
that is influential. I don't think Blue Sky or Threads
are remotely influential. I don't ever see anybody building stories
(43:35):
around the arguments made there. Reddit is where you go
if you are a far left winger to hang out online.
So again, nobody can guarantee any commitment to principle of
free speech over time. But I do believe that Elon
is going to continue to allow Twitter to flourish as
(43:56):
a free speech platform. And what I think is coming back,
and I've talked about this a little little bit, but
I bet you kind of see it too, is ultimately
all of AI is going to be a function of
the input of AI, and so there will be supremely
woke AI, which will be very popular with the MSNBC viewers.
I think Elon's ex AI is going to be popular
(44:19):
with what I would call saying people, and this idea
that AI is going to be some sort of utopia.
The algorithm is going to tell you what AI gives you,
and the Elon algorithm, I am confident, will be more
likable and acceptable in terms of its answers too many
of the people listening right now than will many of
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the other AI.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yes, this will continue to play out.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
In the meantime, I do get a kick out of
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have little robots in Miami Beach that deliver our food. Now, really,
you see them, Yes, I'll take the photos. I'll show
it to you. You see them on this sh street.
They're just kind of buzzing along like Johnny five, number
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five from the What's the Short Circuit? If you remember
that great underrated movie from the eighties, Johnny five is
alive man and he's bringing me your star. It's like,
just in the last six months, I would say.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh wow, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 6 (45:18):
Oh well you were next time you were in my
studio in Miami Beach. We are having your clay love savice.
This is the way I get him to come to
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Speaker 10 (45:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
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Speaker 2 (47:18):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. You know, Clay,
I was in DC and it was during the government shutdown,
and it was lovely.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
The streets are empty, the the highways are clear.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I could get everywhere.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
It was the DC that I wish I could always
have lived in, where you just get all the upside
but not the overcrowding. So it was it was really nice.
Trump spoke about the shutdown in this cabinet meeting just now,
right right when we came on air. Here's what he
said about it. This has cut thirty five hit.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
It, and we'll be making cuts it. We'll be permanent.
And we're only going to cut Democrat programs.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I hate to I guess that makes sense, but we're
only cutting Democrat programs With him to shut that, and
we have Russell we can talk to you about it
if he wants to.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
But where we'll be cutting some very popular Democrats programs
that earn't popular with Republicans, factly because that's the way
it works. They wanted to do this, so we'll get
a little taste of their own fantasy.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Trump is enjoying the shutdowns so far, Clay, he is
not backing down an inch. Neither are the well, most
of the Republican centers. We had Senator Ron Johnson on
someonch you guys, do we have Senator Tuberville right now?
All right, Senator Tuberville, We've got a lot to talk
to you about. Thanks for joining us here. I'll actually
start just with the shutdown. Is the Republican caucus? Is
everyone standing strong on this one? Anybody getting the weak,
(48:40):
getting weak in the knees. You gotta let us know.
We can't have that stuff, No caving allowed.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Well, I've seen a couple of a couple of soft
movements here lately from Republicans, but I think there's more
on the side of Democrats. I think the polling is
going against them. But we just got a hoole strong guys,
if we don't hold strong, in which we normally don't
on the Republican side, somebody starts to cave, and then
(49:05):
we're going to band for a one point five trillion
dollars more that American taxpayers are going to unlose because
of the corrupt Democrats and Socialist Party trying to spend
everything they send up here.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Do you get the sense, because I don't. I've been
on the road. I was just down in Florida. I've
been traveling all fall, but since the shutdown started, no
one asked me about it, And I understand that it's
a real focus in Washington, d C. But I don't
get the sense that Democrats are actually creating some form
of huge uproar over the government being shut down. And
(49:41):
now we've got President and Trump trying to travel to
the Middle East and potentially bringing peace there. I feel
like that story is far more important and attention gathering
right now than anything relating to the shutdown. I'm curious
what you hear when you are on the road and
people talk to you about things impacting their lives.
Speaker 10 (50:00):
Well, I hear more about tariffs than I do anything.
That's because of the farmers and you know they're struggling,
and we've got to protect our farmers, we got to
protect our military law enforcement during this shut down. But
you know, the Democrats, they have nothing to hang their
hat on, and so now they've got something they can Hey,
you know, we can fight back here. There's something some
(50:22):
people might agree with us, because nothing else is Very
few Americans agree with the Democratic Party on anything that
they've done or try to do, or anything that they
believe in. So we just got to hold on. We
just got to keep pushing, get President Trump and Scott
Bessett and the people over in the administration, and opportunity
to clean out the fat of this bloated government of
(50:43):
three million government employees. My gosh, I mean, we got
people that we don't even know get a paycheck, and
so at the end of the day, we've got to
clean this mess up.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Senator Tubberville, it's absolutely a day of some celebrate from
the Trump side of things.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Given the ceasefire.
Speaker 6 (51:03):
I wanted to just get your reaction to what this
president seems to have accomplished and the satisfaction that I'm
sure he and many of us get from seeing even
people who never give Trump anything never give him the
benefit of the doubt, never give him a fair shot.
They're even having to say, this is a pretty big
(51:23):
deal that he has negotiated between Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Yeah, this is huge, and we got to get the
hostages out. We got to get out of this mess.
Mike kukkulb Be, the ambassador, Marco Rubio went cough. All
these they have been working their tails off trying to
get something done there and also in Ukraine and Russia.
So hopefully this works out as a twenty point plan.
First of all, if we can get the hostages out,
(51:50):
I mean President Trump has done his job, because that
is our main goal is get these people loose, get
them out of these tunnels, these caves, give them some food,
to get him back to society. This group that we're fighting,
this Islamic terrorism that we're fighting within a moss. They
are absolutely trying to destroy that part of the country.
(52:14):
And by the way, they're coming to a theater near us,
and we better watch out.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tubberville, he's the next governor
of Alabama. I know you're in the midst of your
governor's campaign while also being a senator.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
I did a sit down with Paul Feinbaum, a guy
you've known from college football, I imagine for a long
time in the state of Alabama. He hasn't officially announced,
but what's your reaction to what kind of candidate Paul
Feinbaum might be if he ran in the primary to
potentially be a senator from Alabama?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
What do you know about him? What do you think
about the idea?
Speaker 10 (52:51):
Yeah, I've been friends with Paul for thirty years and
even when I was an assistant coach. He's made a
name for hisself. He's got one hundred percent name idea
in Alabama. I tell him, he's also made everybody mad
in Alabama at one time, because but that was his job,
you know, making people, you know, a conversation about sports. Now,
he's never been in politics, but neither had I. He
(53:12):
asked me what I thought. I said, well, you know,
if you're going to get into this and I'm not
supporting anybody, that's not my job. I've talked to everybody
that's running from my position, and I said, you know,
you've got to get out there and sell yourself, not
as a media person, but as somebody's gonna represent the
people of Alabama in this country. So I heard your interview,
(53:35):
I've talked to him. I think he's really really looking
into it, and I think that he's about have had
it with a lot of things that have gone on
in his previous life professionally, and you know, he's an American,
but he's got to get out and sell the point
and the fact of am I Trump. He's got to
be a Trump guy in Alabama. He's got to be conservative,
and he's got to show and tell people and convince
(53:57):
people that that's what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
You worked in sports as a head coach for a
long time, and by the way, you beat Alabama six
years in a row as an Auburn coach and got
elected in the state of Alabama. So that in and
of itself, and you're not going to be the governor
now in a state where Alabama is the majority fan base.
Auburn's got a great fan base.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Two. Paul's for that fed up?
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I think I'm you can kind of read it in
that conversation with Disney and ESPN deciding that they're going
to go full left wing. You've been doing sports a
long time. Would you ever believe that Disney and ESPN
We're going to turn ESPN into another arm of MSNBC.
Would you have ever believe that could be possible in
the world of sports.
Speaker 10 (54:40):
No, never, could have. Never would have believed it or
wanted to believe it. And I just can't believe that
that an entity that big, that touches so many people,
that has really lived off the American people and true patriotism,
would go that direction. You know, I worked Mike Patrick
(55:00):
one year, is his color guy, and now well he
was the play by play guy in his last year
for ESPN and ABC, And Uh, I've never seen such
far left groups in my life. I mean, it was
just it was just they were that's when Trump first
(55:21):
got elected, and they it was just a fight from
the start to the finish when you're around a lot
of those people that couldn't believe that I was a
Trump supporter. So at the end of the day, you've
got different factions in our country. The problem that I'm
having today is how much does the Democratic Party really
love this country so they love our constitution. Uh, you know,
(55:44):
we all have different opinions, but my god, folks, we
look what they did I'm in the elite eight I was.
I had my phone stoped by the FBI under the
Department of Justice, a city United States Senator. You've got
to be kidding me. So it is, you know, I
just don't understand it. I really don't of the mindset
of the people that that are are trying. And I
(56:07):
think it's uh, their their their way of life is
they want to change everything that we're doing and go
to another type of country that We're not going to
allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
You've known Paul Feinbaum, you said for thirty years. I
understand that you are not going to endorse. This is
your seat that's going to be up for grabs. Based
on your conversations, do you think he's going to run
or do you think he's not going to run?
Speaker 10 (56:33):
I think it's more than he is than he's not.
And now again, uh, this is a week or so
ago the last time I talked to him, and and
I said, Paul, you got to do your due diligence.
You got to go out. It's got to start making
phone calls. You've got to talk to people. Don't take
my word for it. I'm one vote. Uh uh And
I got an opinion, but you have to go talk
to people that and try to get two million people
(56:56):
to vote for you, and uh, there's a lot of
convention you're going to have to do. But I told
the same thing to Steve Marshall, Attorney General, the same
thing to Barry Moore, who's in Congress. It's running for
this seat. You have got to tell them what you
stand for, and people got to believe that. You've got
to be convincing. I did that for a year and
a half when I was football coach, and I said
(57:16):
I'm onna run for Senate. I went to every little town,
every meeting, every farm meeting, and told them, listen, I'm running,
and this is what I believe in. Forget about coaching,
just this is what I believe in. And thank goodness,
I don't think they elected me as coach. They elected
me for my beliefs and my love for the country.
Speaker 6 (57:37):
Senator Tuberville. Always appreciate you making the time for us
here on clan back.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 10 (57:42):
All right, guys, thank you, God bless and.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We are back together on the same show, and it
is one that is filled with tons of news, most
of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as
he has continued his world tour and we've got a
speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening,
so that will be very fun. But right off the top,
(00:29):
President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope
is a lasting peace arrangement.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will
monitor and see what additional news is outstanding there. But
let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown.
Monday is expected to be the day for the return
of the living hostages that have been held now for
(01:04):
over two years, since the October seventh, twenty twenty three
terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears
that there are around twenty different hostages that are still
alive and they've been held in the most extreme, awful
conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems
(01:25):
likely to happen. There has also been a cease fire
agreed to in Gaza, and let me play a couple
of cuts here. Cut one is President Trump on the
phone with the hostage family members. You can listen to
them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know
that their family members are coming home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Cut one, President of Trump, you have the best crowd
in the world. What do you guys have to say
to President Trump?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Thank you. This is amazing, mister President. We believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We know you've done so much for us over the
past since you became a president, even before that, and
we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every
forty eight of the hostages are home.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Blessed be the Peacemaker.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
God, bless you, mister President.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You just said here yourselves, the hostages will come back
there coming coming back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Buck. Here's my big takeaway here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They have spent a decade telling all of us that
are Trump supporters that we are Nazis, that Trump is
Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing
with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue
to enact here against the people of Israel. That is
(03:03):
the Muslim fundamentalist, the Islamic terrorists. They are going to
continue to attack, but to the extent that we can
have some form of normalcy return to the Middle East,
and for Trump to get these hostages home. We hope
and pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones
that are still alive, I think twenty expected to still
(03:24):
be alive. Twenty eight bodies that are still being held,
is my understanding. Of those forty eight that number there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This would be one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle East peace agreements
that has ever been entered into by any president Israel.
As I know, I was over there in December, and
as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is
the most popular American president probably in the history of
Israel being a country. And this is a moment that
(03:54):
I think many of us believed was likely to occur,
and it's one that should provoke a great deal of
cognitive dissonance in the minds of all the people who
have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's
going to bring about World War three. This is an
incredible accomplishment and Trump and his entire team should be
praised to the high heavens regardless of what partisan lens
(04:16):
you've viewed this from. This is not just a home run.
This is an upper deck grand slam. If it comes
to fruition, that would lead to one of the greatest
outcomes for peace in the history of any of our lives.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate
on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen
some of this clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's
wrong ninety nine times, if they're right on the hundredth
you know, even if he's doing it just because just
because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at
him over this, but they have to admit that a
(04:48):
win is a win. As they say online, a win
is a win. You got to take the win, take
the w here, and I think it's important to view
this the deal is in phases. Our sense of this
should follow meaning it is enormously it is enormous progress.
It is enormously encouraging that the war is coming to
(05:09):
a stop, a cease fire. This is actually happening right
that there won't be bloodshed unless at this point, if
Hamas were to blow this deal up at this stage,
Israel's just gonna hunt them all down and kill them. Also,
I don't think that they're going to do that. This
is going to save lives. The fact that the hostages
(05:31):
are going home, the fact that Israel is trading for
forty eight total, including some the remains of hostages. Can
I also note here all the hostages should be alive. Yes,
this is something that doesn't get enough. These hostages were
in the custody of Hamas. They could have kept them
all alive. Something I'm going to keep returning to here, Clay,
(05:53):
these are not Israel and Hamas are not morally equivalent,
nowhere near it as entities. This is a situation. People
can say it is simplistic, but in terms of the
combatants involved here it is good guys and bad guys.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Israel are the good guys. That is just reality.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
But the war coming to an end is obviously an
enormously encouraging a humanitarian step.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And Trump was the guy able to get this done
because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm,
which is you have to beat your either pro Israeli
or your pro Muslim pro Arab and you know, anti
Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks
down with Trump. It's no hold on, guys. I just
have a goal here. I want this thing to be done.
(06:39):
I'm willing to push and make concessions and deal make
for both sides. It's enormously you know, enormously encouraging, and
I'm very, very pleased the President has gotten this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is
President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity Show last night.
Here he is cut a You heard him say the
hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he
is speaking in more detail. We should also say, before
replace some of these things, there are people who want
war to continue. There are many of them, and so
it wouldn't stun me or shock me if there are
(07:15):
after effects, sort of post action agreement that is designed
to try to derail this between now and then. In fact,
I think we should expect them before we place some
of those cuts. Can I just throw as an addendum
to what you just said, there are American democrats, There
are leftists in our country who truly would rather see
(07:39):
this conflict, which they call a genocide.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Mind you, it is not a genocide, but they call
it a genocide. If they had their choice, they would
rather the quote unquote genocide continue. Then Trump get the
credit for ending this, which tells you a lot about
the people involved. A lot of people who are saying
cease fire within hours of the initial October seventh terrorist attack,
(08:02):
which was a bad faith. Israel's not allowed to defend itself,
maneuver Clay all of a sudden, cease fires or suspect
to them.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Isn't that so strange? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
And you would think if you truly believe that a
genocide were occurring, that you would take to the streets
to celebrate. Have there been celebrations from the pro Palestindian activists? Again,
they don't want peace, they want a perpetual war. So
my concern is a terrorist actor will try, probably multiple
of them, to stage attacks to derail this peace process.
(08:32):
But here's Trump talking about, as you laid out, Buck,
this is a multi step process. There are many different
actions that have to be undertaken. But Hamas turning over
the hostages is basically the end of Hamas being able
to bargain in any way. The reason they took these
two hundred and fifty hostages in the first place was
(08:52):
so they could continue to bargain in some way with Israel.
This was very intentional on their part. Once the hostages
and the bodies, Unfortunately, as you said, Buck, of those
hostages whose lives were lost while they were in captivity,
once all of that is turned back over, Hamas has
no bargaining power left again. This is why they took
(09:13):
these hostages. But this is Trump last night on Sean
Hannity's show Cut.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Eight, I think you're going to see all of that disappear.
I think you're going to see people getting along and
you'll see guys are being rebuilt. We're forming a council
that the Council of Peace.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
We think it's going to be called, and it's going
to be very powerful, and it's going to really, I think,
to a large extent, it's going to have a lot
to do with the whole Gaza situation. People are going
to be taken care of. It's going to be a
different world.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Really the Middle East came together amazingly, they came together.
You know, they have some countries with extraordinary wealth and
just spending a small portion of that wealth can do
so much for that area.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
So will we'll be involved in it. But the big,
the big thing, as hostages are going to be released,
it's probably our time would be probably Monday, And.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed. The
last I saw is that Trump is going to travel
to the Middle East and address the Israeli legislature the
Knesset in person for the first time since George Bush Senior,
sorry Bush junior, George W. Bush, since he spoke in
(10:29):
two thousand and eight. So all of this is potentially transformative. Again,
there are many different steps that it must be followed,
but Trump said he was going to bring peace here.
If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel
Peace Prize. I also think this then we'll put more
of a attention on the Ukraine Russia conflict to see
(10:52):
if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace
to the world within the first year of his presidency.
This is pretty impressive, even you mentioned it, Buck, even
people who hate Trump. The Washington Post David Ignatius h
said ignacious, ignacious, No way this would have happened if
(11:13):
it were not for the For Trump's particular action. When
you get in praise from the Washington Post, that's a
sign that that you've upset the Apple card of expectations.
Speaker 8 (11:24):
Cut to the deal that President Trump is announcing played
a key part in negotiating. Is a significant change. This
war was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him,
was unable to find a way to stop it. President
Trump found that found that way by being tough on
both sides.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
And you'll take a victory lap for sure over the
next few days, but it's it's deserved.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
There's no way that I can.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
See that this would have been done without Trump's pressure
in the final hours.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is
not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's worked
explicitly against the Trump administration and Trump himself in the
past as really an activist journalist. But I would say
this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People
will sometimes draw the line at saying things that everybody
will recognize sounds dumb, and anybody who can admit that
(12:21):
this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but
a huge win for really everybody of good faith in
the Middle East, here at home, around the world. A
war coming to a terminus, and people no longer dying
is a good thing. And Trump's role in this is
undeniable and he deserves about and maybe the Nobel Peace Prize,
although we should talk about I have a theory about
(12:42):
the Nobel Peace Prize component of this.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I'm sure you do too. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I'm curious how many people, actually, let's just say Jewish
in particular, do any of them that have been so
virulently anti Trump, primarily in the United States, not in
Israel itself? How do they react to this? Have you
been telling everybody for a decade, this guy is Hitler
two point zero? At some point do you recognize that
(13:08):
you're the bad guy and that you've been wrong about everything?
Or is it too difficult to acknowledge that you've been
wrong such that the I don't even know how you
address this?
Speaker 7 (13:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do they have the tears to acknowledge?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Yeah, it's weird to say you would think that Trump
is hit is Hitler like except for the fact that
the Jewish state would tell you almost universally, Trump is
the greatest ally they've had in the Oval office in
our lifetime. That's a weird that's a weird circle to square,
you know, That's a tough one to make sense of.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
And this is why people the cognitive dissonance that is
necessary to be a Democrat, and as you point out,
a to be a liberal American Democrat jew who thinks
that Trump is.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Hitler is a bizarre place to be, but that exists.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
There's plenty of how Yeah, you're right, And I just wonder,
because I try to be hyper rational, what are they
thinking this morning as they wake up, and what are
they going to be thinking when Trump, hopefully on Monday,
is able to return these hostages after two years in
captivity and that to actually end.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They're gonna say that the war was basically.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Coming to an end anyway, and that Trump is taking
You know, they'll always you can always.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Find a way, man.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You can always come up with some rationalization for your
hate or your disdain. Let's remember, it's not Trump analysis syndrome.
It's Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
So I think that's where they are.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But bringing peace to the Middle East is a tough
one to square with the Hitler with the Hitler talk.
Even for them, I think this is a boy, maybe
he's not pure evil, and maybe I'm the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
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Speaker 10 (16:59):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Did you go home home from Taiwan?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
I had two days at home, but I really want
to be home again. I've I've even had some interesting
opportunities to travel later this month playing I'm just I
just want to be home. I'm a homebody in general,
and I want to be with Kerrie and Speed and
Ginger Spice and that's the plan. But yeah, Taiwan twelve
hour time difference really takes a while to get get
back on schedule. That you you just went from Central
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Speaker 2 (17:27):
Or is the manandle of Central time?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Now.
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I did drive into the Eastern time zone for the
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Speaker 2 (17:40):
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After East Coast time You're like, oh, okay, yeah, but
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That's good news.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
By the way, people kept asking me about us, mister Finebaum. Yes,
and I saw people and they said they were asking
me questions about this.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You'll have to explain this to everyone later on in
the show. I did not.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
We got Tommy tumberbole on at the bottom the hour.
We're probably not ask him about it. But yeah, Paul Feinbaum,
it's potentially going to be running for the Senate from Alabama,
so yeah, it's been a big story.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And people kept asking me.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I'm like, yeah, I celebrate fine Baum's whole career as
his whole catalog, full catalog of football things. So we
have some updates here from the cabinet meeting that just happened.
So let's dive into some of that because that's the
latest from Trump. I think this is really interesting, Clay,
because I wanted to do a little research.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
On this on my own.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Last night, Trump spoke about not only is he taking
a taking a bow, and yeah, I think if you
help negotiate the end of carnage that is taking human
lives and maiming people. And you know, war is a
terrible thing. It truly is a terrible thing. Sometimes a
necessary thing, but it is still a terrible thing. I
think taking a bow is fine, and I think that
(18:52):
Trump deserves that and then some. But it's not just
on on Israel and the end of this conflict with Gaza.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
This is cut thirty three. He lays out the whole.
He gives you the whole number. Listen to this.
Speaker 11 (19:05):
You remember we settled seven. This is number eight. We
settled seven wars or major conflicts, but wars, and this
is number eight. And the one that I thought would
be maybe the quickness of all would be Russia Ukraine,
and I think that's going to happen too. But in
the meantime, they're losing about seven thousand people a week,
and that seems pretty bad. They're losing mostly soldiers, young soldiers.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
They go out to.
Speaker 11 (19:29):
War and they getting killed.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And while it doesn't affect us in a.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Lot of ways, we've got a big ocean in between.
You don't want to see that happen. It was a
big mistake that war should have never happened. It would
have never happened if I were president.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Trump doesn't want wars, which is a very good premise
to star wits. So Clay, can I can I give
you the list here and you can, yeah, the list
of conflicts that Trump was involved in bringing to either
a ceasefire or some kind of an agreement to end
the fighting. We have Armenia and Azerbaijan, two former Soviet republics.
(20:08):
Trump signed a peace agreement between them on the eighth
of August. That war been going on for decades, and
the leaders of both countries were very much thankful to
Trump for helping to negotiate this one Democratic Republic of
the Congo and Rwanda that was June. Back in June
(20:29):
of this year, a ceasefire announced on June twenty third
between Iran and Israel after the bombing of the nuclear sites.
India and Pakistan on a border dispute. Cambodia and Thailand,
they had a ceasefire July twenty eighth. They fought for
five days but people were dying. And then from the
(20:52):
first administration, I think clay he adds Serbia and Kosovo.
He helped get an agreement with them, and I think
he did something. Oh yeah, and Ethiopia and Egypt. Trump
dealt with a dispute between them over a hydro power dam,
so it was more of a conflict than it was
a war. But that is the list. That is quite
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a world tour that he has put together.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yes, and again it goes to the point that I had,
which is the criticism of Trump that would actually it's
not a good criticism in my opinion, but the one
that you could make is he's too focused on bringing
peace to the world, and how does that actually impact
America in any kind of significant way. I'm not saying
(21:38):
I sign off on it, but that's the criticism of Trump.
He's too focused on world peace and many of these
conflicts don't directly involve the United States, So why is
the president spending his time on them? That is the
criticism you could levy. It's the exact opposite criticism they
spent a decade on Trump, which is he's a modern
(21:59):
day Hitler.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
War War, World War three.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Is going to ensue. Let me ask you this, Buck.
The clip you played I think is interesting because I
think Trump thought that he would be able to solve
Ukraine and Russia faster than he has. I think he
would say that if he came on with us, and
I think he thought that because he felt as if
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he had a relationship with Putin that he could use
to bring peace there and again, unlike in Israel in
the Middle East, where you have let's be fair and
intractable in many ways conflict between Jewish and Muslim religious faiths.
Not to mention the Christian component rolled in as well.
(22:45):
Russia and Ukraine is basically a civil war.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Again.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I understand the lines of the battle and everything else,
but the Russian and Ukrainian people historically have much in common,
and there doesn't seem to be any real game to
speak of that's being fought over now. I think he's
frustrated over the fact that he can't get peace there.
And what does it say about that conflict that a
(23:11):
true religious war is getting peace before a border dispute
between two historical, historically connected people.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Well, the reason that there's not a ceasefire in Russia Ukraine,
I think is pretty straightforward, unfortunately, and it's that Putin
thinks that he's winning and will keep taking territory with
the status quo, I mean that he's going to get
more and more, So why stop in his mind, because
the casualties, the humanitarian cost, he is absolutely willing to
pay that price on both sides. Something that is particularly
(23:45):
jarring about Putin is he certainly has no is not
losing any sleep at night about Ukrainian casualties. He's not
losing any sleep about Russian casualties either. Yeah, this is,
unfortunately the mindset that he operates with. So that means
that conflict is likely to continue on unless there's a
real change in that. Trump has at least started to
(24:05):
push in that direction publicly. If Putin starts to feel
like they are losing some territory inside of Ukraine. Maybe
then there'd be more of a willingness, But that's a
tough ask for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
How much do you think this is cultural in that
the way Russia defines itself in the modern era from
a positive perspective is by the sacrifice that the country
was willing to make during World War Two. And so
if you go back in time historically Russia, obviously the
collapse of communism and the Cold War that they lost,
(24:40):
it's not something that is a point of pride in
that country. But how much of the willingness of Russians
to accept frankly, huge, huge casualty numbers is a function
of that patriotic connection to the past, where basically the
entire country giving up the flower of the US is
(25:00):
seen as one of the true bravest moments and most
sterling moments in all of Russian history.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Well, this is how Russians fight wars, just with throwing
manpower at it. They've they've generally had they had really
weak speaking of generally generals in World War Two because
of the Soviet Purge, So they had a lot of
a lot of problems with that. Now some of the
(25:28):
people talk about like General Zukov. Some of the generals
in Russian past have have been talented, but they generally
throw a lot of bodies at the problem, and that's
what they're doing in Ukraine as well. So, yeah, I
don't know how Trump that's the big one that is
on the list next to bring us back to Trump
the peacemaker if he can. I would say this, then
(25:50):
people might already feel that way, and that's fine. They
might be saying, if he doesn't get the Nobel Peace
Prize for this deal, it's effectively a meaningless award anyway,
because it's just some partisan tool the global elites. I
think that's probably already true. But if he were to
end the Russia Ukraine War two and it was clear
that he had a central role in that and after.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
This and didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize, then it's
a total joke.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
Yeah, maybe it's already there, but it definitely would be
a total joke at that point.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Somebody just texted me or email me that once Obama
got the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing, it had become
a participation trophy in many ways, as opposed to a
reward for an award. For what you actually accomplished. I
do wonder if peace in the Middle East, if he
(26:37):
suddenly is able to pivot in many ways directly to
Ukraine Russia. I still don't understand how this gets resolved
in meaning Ukraine Russia, because to your point, Putin basically
knows that long term he has the ability to lean
on Ukraine, and we still don't know exactly where that
(26:59):
laws is.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Where.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
If he gets this amount of territory, he's satisfied, And
it just feels kind of intractable at this point to me,
because if Trump can't get it solved negotiation wise, to
your point, it seems quite clear that Vladimir Putin just
will not end this war. So how do you in
any way ended when Putin just refuses.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Well, see, this is what I meant by he doesn't
leave lose sleep at night over the casualties. There's no
moral or humanitarian imperative that is at work with Vladimir
Putin at all.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This is it's pure force.
Speaker 10 (27:34):
You know.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
I think the Israelis, I think the IDF for a
for a while have just wanted Look, we're willing to stop,
we don't want to have to keep doing this.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
But we have to know that they're going to stop.
On the other side, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
You have that with this, and we have to get
the hostages, which is what the HOSS has refused to
release unfortunately.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
And I know that we're very pleased, as of course
we should be. I mean people I know, people who
were teering up at the news about the hostages going
that some of the hostages are going home. But I
just can't. I can't forget that a lot of hostages
are not going home alive. Yes, and that is an
active decision that was made. They had civilians in custody
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and they let them die or they killed them one
or the other, I mean, which is the same thing.
They're in your custody. So they killed civilians that they
were holding as hostages.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
So the moral.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Calculations here should be very clear to everybody about who
the good guys are, who the bad guys are. But
I do think that Trump now turning his there's going
to be some focus on this, of course, but turning
his attention to rush Ukraine issue. It has to be
what are the incentives for Putin to stop? Yes, you
have to change incentives with him. He is a It
(28:49):
is like dealing with a rattlesnake. You cannot say, hey,
don't bite me. That's mean it has to be you
back off or I'm going to take your head.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Which I think Trump gets because Trump's new focus has
been let's keep Russia from being able to sell their
oil through India. We're going to put a penalty on India.
And he's given Ukraine the ability in theory to actually
threaten Russia in a way with armaments and weaponry that
has not occurred so far. The risk there, obviously is
(29:22):
you accelerate the war as opposed to decelerating it. So
but I think you're right. I mean Putin has to
fear something, and ultimately I think that's what Trump has
come to realize that otherwise there is no way to
actually end this war. We'll take some of your calls,
some of your talkbacks much less serious.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Buck, get your pen.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton show. One bit
of breaking news here as we go into the third
hour of the program, a new poll has just been
released by Quinnipiac in the New York City Mayor's race,
now down to three since Eric Adams has dropped out.
(31:39):
According to this poll, Zoron Mamdani forty six percent support,
Andrew Cuomo thirty three percent support, Curtis Sliwa fifteen percent support. So, uh,
that is that is how all of this is breaking out.
(32:00):
And I would say, Buck, the story in New York
City continues to be that so long as there are
three candidates that are running, then Mom Donnie is going
to win, and Mom Donnie is probably going to win comfortably.
We will get into the Virginia race. We're going to
have Jason Miarez, who is dealing with the Jay Jones
(32:24):
Democrat nominee and the awful text messages that have come
out from the Democrat nominee. But you've got the Virginia race,
you got the New Jersey race, and we are sitting
about almost exactly three weeks away from the official election
day of twenty twenty five, with all of those being
very important races.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
But we talked about as we were going to break.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The way that X has changed the conversation in the
country right now, and I wanted to play for you
Harry Inton on CNN talking about what the makeup is
of Twitter now in the wake of Elon Musk buying it.
When did he buy a buck twenty two? If I'm
(33:08):
not mistaken, I think it's been about three years that
Elon has run Twitter. Here is what the data reflects.
Speaker 12 (33:14):
To go back to twenty twenty one, the party I
D margin, You're thirty seven points more likely to be
a Democrat on Twitter or X than a Republican. Jump
ahead to this side of the screen. It's completely changed around.
Oh my goodness, gracious now it's a fourteen point lead
for Republicans on Twitter slash X.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
We're talking about a fifty one point shift in the margin.
Speaker 12 (33:34):
You know, there are a lot of folks that I
know we are on the left side of the isle
who ran over to Blue Sky, ran over to threads.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But here's the field.
Speaker 12 (33:42):
The bottom line is those are minuscule compared to Twitter
or x use this social media. In twenty twenty five,
twenty one percent of Americans are on Twitter or x threads.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
It's just eight percent.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
Looseky even smaller, just four percent. You add together the
four plus the eight that gets you to twelve percent.
That is only about half the level that are on
Twitter slash sex.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So the impact is real, Buck, and I think it
has been utterly transformative in terms of how the nation
debates and discusses the biggest issues in the country.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Well, it shows you that Democrats are unable to win
arguments unless they've got us just out platformed and outnumbered. Right,
this is like if you're gonna get into a if
you're gonna get into a scuffle with somebody, there's one
on one and there's ten on one. And even if
you're a really good, you know, really good fighter, quite honestly,
(34:35):
two on one is really hard. But if it's ten
on one, you're not gonna you're not gonna win that battle.
And that's what democrats have had with social media and
with a lot of the legacy media systems that they've
had and long established control of.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
So we've seen a.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Break in that, and people will rightly point out, well,
hold on, they still you know, TikTok is still left
wing dominated.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You know, face this book is.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Facebook is like okay right now, because I think Zuckerberg
realizes that you don't want to get Trump upset at you.
But the fact of the matter is they can't suppress
stories the days of the Hunter Biden laptop media fiasco,
or at least for right now gone, they would not
be able to do what they did do, which was,
(35:25):
let's remind everybody there was even more stuff about this
that just came out, documents showing that they didn't that Biden,
the whole thing with Biden going to Ukraine, the obvious corruption,
the obvious handout for his family, and the payoffs for
Hunter Biden and everything.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It was all true.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
All the stuff at the right was saying about this
that we've been talking about Clay on this show for
years was all accurate. But when they tried to hide
the Hunter Biden laptop story in twenty twenty, they were
able to largely do it because of the control they
had of the online media ecosystem, which is now the
new public Square. Elon Musk has broken the back of
(36:02):
that and that is a huge benefit I think it
made an enormous difference in Trump's election, and I think
it makes an enormous difference in the Left doesn't even
want to fight us anymore publicly, like they won't actually
try the stuff that they used to because they can't
count on having us outnumbered and ambushed online.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I used to.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Feel attacked all the time on social media all the time,
to the last time somebody really came after me, and
I think partly it's algorithmic, so you see less of that.
I think that's probably by design, but the marketplace of
ideas is real. My concern is on Twitter X, my
(36:45):
concern about YouTube and TikTok and Facebook. Facebook's a good
example because it's existed for a long time. Mark Zuckerberg
moves in whatever direction the political currents move.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
I don't think I.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Think that he has a consistent core. If Barack Obama's
in office, he's going to do things that make Obama happy.
If Biden is he's going to do things that make
Biden happy. And now Trump's in office, and he's going
to do things that make Trump happy. My concern is
there is no core principle that you can point to
(37:22):
at Facebook other than We're going to make the party
in power as happy as we possibly can. I do
think Elon has demonstrated that he's willing to take the
slings and arrows of attack, even when it has a
significant financial component associated with it, in a way that
the other leaders of these media companies have not. Now,
(37:45):
I'm somewhat cautiously optimistic that the new paramount leadership the Ellisons,
because Larry Ellison, the second richest man in the world,
has been pretty stubborn and been willing to have people
attack him before. And he is a Tim Scott backer
who has been active in Republican politics before. So I'm
(38:06):
cautiously optimistic that he's going to provide some legacy media
backbone there. We know Rupert Murdoch has taken slings and
arrows for generations with the New York Posts, the Wall
Street Journal, in Fox. But do you agree with me
the Zuckerbergs of the world. I mean, if Kavin Newsom
wins in twenty god forbid in twenty twenty eight, I
(38:28):
think he'll go right back to whatever makes Gavin Newsom happy.
I don't think there's a principle there.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
I'm one hundred percent in my mind at least certain
that that is the case that a lot of what
we've seen with these social media companies. I think that Elon,
who can be a mercurial guy on some things, but
I think that on the issue of free speech and
free exchange of ideas, he is deeply devoted to that.
(38:54):
And I think that that's the best you can ask
Where people say, well, now it's just at the whim
of Elon musk on x well' the whim of a
guy who truly believes in the principle. I think that
that's the best you can ask for because it's not
a public utility and they're not going to be able
to regulate it like one. And now it's not a
social justice left wing woke looney bin.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So it's better.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
It's a lot better than it was, and we've got
to take the wins where we can on this to
the point that it is. And this is where Rush
read from you saying billionaires need to get involved back
in the day, and it's like, I'm far from a billionaire,
but it's why I found it out.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Kick. The best thing you can do is put your
money where your mouth is.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
If you are listening to us, right now, and you've
been frustrated over the way that media and the way
that politics has and culture has been influenced in this country.
The best thing you can do is put your money
on the table and try to impact that.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
And I believe Elon is going.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
To remain committed to free speech. The challenge here is
there's only a couple of guys and right now are
all guys that are truly committed to free speech. And
this is why I come back to as good as
Trump is and as great as Trump two point zero
has been so far, what is ailing our country is
(40:14):
going to take twenty years to fix and mention by
the way, President can't make it happen.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
The team actually has that cut of Rush. This was
back in June of twenty twenty talking about this exact problem,
Cut thirty one.
Speaker 13 (40:28):
Many of you might remember the former guest host on
this program, Buck Sextead of the CIA. Buck now tweets
a lot. Does he have his own show now? Or
yeah he does? Wait wait, Buck has been on a
tweet storm and had to put it in one of
those one of those thread apps because there's so many
(40:51):
tweets and he's ticked off at how conservative everything has
just given up.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
He has just.
Speaker 13 (40:59):
Seated the country seated, Hollywood seeded, music seated, television seated,
the media seated.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Everything. Doesn't understand it.
Speaker 13 (41:09):
If one of the conservative billionaires out there has any
stomach for saving their country from this mob, they should
buy and flip a major media platform or fund a
new one and make it an unsinkable aircraft's carrier of
true free speech.
Speaker 6 (41:29):
That is what Elon did. Yeah, he did it about
two years later, Clay. But that was the only answer,
and that's why Rush I think, seized on this right away.
That was the only way we were going to break
It was essentially a speech blockade that they were running.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
And also, this is where sometimes builds your own just
doesn't work because the scale of success required to truly
influence society. They tried with Blue Sky, they've tried with Threads.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
And that's not me because they're not trying to do
it with those platforms. It's because they aren't going to
reach the same level of influence because it's very hard
to get an influential app built and you can't just
build a new one.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
I try to tell people also, you've got to be
careful even if you are an occasional an occasional viewer
and user of Blue Sky, because as a guy, your
testosterol level will immediately drop down to that of like
a twelve year old girl, and you'll start just to
have like Brad Stealte. You'll be lucky around the house,
(42:32):
be like I was just a Blue Sky and I'm
so upset about Trump's fascism.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So just be careful.
Speaker 6 (42:37):
Blue Sky only in limited doses if you want to
see how crazy the left is. But you know, Clay,
it's like trying to clean up the nuclear reactor. The
longer you're in there, the more exposed to the fallout
you are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And I would point out too that you went on
there to your credit after the Charlie Kirk assassination. Those
platforms are far more toxic than Parlor, for instance, which
they decided was the cause of the January sixth event,
and they shut it down and suddenly you couldn't even
get on the Internet. And to a large extent, there
(43:14):
is no pressure to regulate them in any way. And
you know where now, Honestly, the most fervent left wingers
go together is Reddit. That is their platform of choice,
that is influential. I don't think Blue Sky or Threads
are remotely influential. I don't ever see anybody building stories
(43:35):
around the arguments made there. Reddit is where you go
if you are a far left winger to hang out online.
So again, nobody can guarantee any commitment to principle of
free speech over time. But I do believe that Elon
is going to continue to allow Twitter to flourish as
(43:56):
a free speech platform. And what I think is coming back,
and I've talked about this a little little bit, but
I bet you kind of see it too, is ultimately
all of AI is going to be a function of
the input of AI, and so there will be supremely
woke AI, which will be very popular with the MSNBC viewers.
I think Elon's ex AI is going to be popular
(44:19):
with what I would call saying people, and this idea
that AI is going to be some sort of utopia.
The algorithm is going to tell you what AI gives you,
and the Elon algorithm, I am confident, will be more
likable and acceptable in terms of its answers too many
of the people listening right now than will many of
(44:40):
the other AI.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yes, this will continue to play out.
Speaker 6 (44:42):
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They're just kind of buzzing along like Johnny five, number
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that great underrated movie from the eighties, Johnny five is
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just in the last six months, I would say.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Oh wow, I didn't even know that.
Speaker 6 (45:18):
Oh well you were next time you were in my
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This is the way I get him to come to
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Speaker 10 (45:27):
Uh.
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Speaker 2 (47:18):
All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. You know, Clay,
I was in DC and it was during the government shutdown,
and it was lovely.
Speaker 6 (47:26):
The streets are empty, the the highways are clear.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I could get everywhere.
Speaker 6 (47:32):
It was the DC that I wish I could always
have lived in, where you just get all the upside
but not the overcrowding. So it was it was really nice.
Trump spoke about the shutdown in this cabinet meeting just now,
right right when we came on air. Here's what he
said about it. This has cut thirty five hit.
Speaker 11 (47:46):
It, and we'll be making cuts it. We'll be permanent.
And we're only going to cut Democrat programs.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I hate to I guess that makes sense, but we're
only cutting Democrat programs With him to shut that, and
we have Russell we can talk to you about it
if he wants to.
Speaker 11 (48:04):
But where we'll be cutting some very popular Democrats programs
that earn't popular with Republicans, factly because that's the way
it works. They wanted to do this, so we'll get
a little taste of their own fantasy.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
Trump is enjoying the shutdowns so far, Clay, he is
not backing down an inch. Neither are the well, most
of the Republican centers. We had Senator Ron Johnson on
someonch you guys, do we have Senator Tuberville right now?
All right, Senator Tuberville, We've got a lot to talk
to you about. Thanks for joining us here. I'll actually
start just with the shutdown. Is the Republican caucus? Is
everyone standing strong on this one? Anybody getting the weak,
(48:40):
getting weak in the knees. You gotta let us know.
We can't have that stuff, No caving allowed.
Speaker 10 (48:45):
Well, I've seen a couple of a couple of soft
movements here lately from Republicans, but I think there's more
on the side of Democrats. I think the polling is
going against them. But we just got a hoole strong guys,
if we don't hold strong, in which we normally don't
on the Republican side, somebody starts to cave, and then
(49:05):
we're going to band for a one point five trillion
dollars more that American taxpayers are going to unlose because
of the corrupt Democrats and Socialist Party trying to spend
everything they send up here.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Do you get the sense, because I don't. I've been
on the road. I was just down in Florida. I've
been traveling all fall, but since the shutdown started, no
one asked me about it, And I understand that it's
a real focus in Washington, d C. But I don't
get the sense that Democrats are actually creating some form
of huge uproar over the government being shut down. And
(49:41):
now we've got President and Trump trying to travel to
the Middle East and potentially bringing peace there. I feel
like that story is far more important and attention gathering
right now than anything relating to the shutdown. I'm curious
what you hear when you are on the road and
people talk to you about things impacting their lives.
Speaker 10 (50:00):
Well, I hear more about tariffs than I do anything.
That's because of the farmers and you know they're struggling,
and we've got to protect our farmers, we got to
protect our military law enforcement during this shut down. But
you know, the Democrats, they have nothing to hang their
hat on, and so now they've got something they can Hey,
you know, we can fight back here. There's something some
(50:22):
people might agree with us, because nothing else is Very
few Americans agree with the Democratic Party on anything that
they've done or try to do, or anything that they
believe in. So we just got to hold on. We
just got to keep pushing, get President Trump and Scott
Bessett and the people over in the administration, and opportunity
to clean out the fat of this bloated government of
(50:43):
three million government employees. My gosh, I mean, we got
people that we don't even know get a paycheck, and
so at the end of the day, we've got to
clean this mess up.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
Senator Tubberville, it's absolutely a day of some celebrate from
the Trump side of things.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Given the ceasefire.
Speaker 6 (51:03):
I wanted to just get your reaction to what this
president seems to have accomplished and the satisfaction that I'm
sure he and many of us get from seeing even
people who never give Trump anything never give him the
benefit of the doubt, never give him a fair shot.
They're even having to say, this is a pretty big
(51:23):
deal that he has negotiated between Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 10 (51:28):
Yeah, this is huge, and we got to get the
hostages out. We got to get out of this mess.
Mike kukkulb Be, the ambassador, Marco Rubio went cough. All
these they have been working their tails off trying to
get something done there and also in Ukraine and Russia.
So hopefully this works out as a twenty point plan.
First of all, if we can get the hostages out,
(51:50):
I mean President Trump has done his job, because that
is our main goal is get these people loose, get
them out of these tunnels, these caves, give them some food,
to get him back to society. This group that we're fighting,
this Islamic terrorism that we're fighting within a moss. They
are absolutely trying to destroy that part of the country.
(52:14):
And by the way, they're coming to a theater near us,
and we better watch out.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
We're talking to Senator Tommy Tubberville, he's the next governor
of Alabama. I know you're in the midst of your
governor's campaign while also being a senator.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'm sure you saw.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
I did a sit down with Paul Feinbaum, a guy
you've known from college football, I imagine for a long
time in the state of Alabama. He hasn't officially announced,
but what's your reaction to what kind of candidate Paul
Feinbaum might be if he ran in the primary to
potentially be a senator from Alabama?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
What do you know about him? What do you think
about the idea?
Speaker 10 (52:51):
Yeah, I've been friends with Paul for thirty years and
even when I was an assistant coach. He's made a
name for hisself. He's got one hundred percent name idea
in Alabama. I tell him, he's also made everybody mad
in Alabama at one time, because but that was his job,
you know, making people, you know, a conversation about sports. Now,
he's never been in politics, but neither had I. He
(53:12):
asked me what I thought. I said, well, you know,
if you're going to get into this and I'm not
supporting anybody, that's not my job. I've talked to everybody
that's running from my position, and I said, you know,
you've got to get out there and sell yourself, not
as a media person, but as somebody's gonna represent the
people of Alabama in this country. So I heard your interview,
(53:35):
I've talked to him. I think he's really really looking
into it, and I think that he's about have had
it with a lot of things that have gone on
in his previous life professionally, and you know, he's an American,
but he's got to get out and sell the point
and the fact of am I Trump. He's got to
be a Trump guy in Alabama. He's got to be conservative,
and he's got to show and tell people and convince
(53:57):
people that that's what he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
You worked in sports as a head coach for a
long time, and by the way, you beat Alabama six
years in a row as an Auburn coach and got
elected in the state of Alabama. So that in and
of itself, and you're not going to be the governor
now in a state where Alabama is the majority fan base.
Auburn's got a great fan base.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Two. Paul's for that fed up?
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I think I'm you can kind of read it in
that conversation with Disney and ESPN deciding that they're going
to go full left wing. You've been doing sports a
long time. Would you ever believe that Disney and ESPN
We're going to turn ESPN into another arm of MSNBC.
Would you have ever believe that could be possible in
the world of sports.
Speaker 10 (54:40):
No, never, could have. Never would have believed it or
wanted to believe it. And I just can't believe that
that an entity that big, that touches so many people,
that has really lived off the American people and true patriotism,
would go that direction. You know, I worked Mike Patrick
(55:00):
one year, is his color guy, and now well he
was the play by play guy in his last year
for ESPN and ABC, And Uh, I've never seen such
far left groups in my life. I mean, it was
just it was just they were that's when Trump first
(55:21):
got elected, and they it was just a fight from
the start to the finish when you're around a lot
of those people that couldn't believe that I was a
Trump supporter. So at the end of the day, you've
got different factions in our country. The problem that I'm
having today is how much does the Democratic Party really
love this country so they love our constitution. Uh, you know,
(55:44):
we all have different opinions, but my god, folks, we
look what they did I'm in the elite eight I was.
I had my phone stoped by the FBI under the
Department of Justice, a city United States Senator. You've got
to be kidding me. So it is, you know, I
just don't understand it. I really don't of the mindset
of the people that that are are trying. And I
(56:07):
think it's uh, their their their way of life is
they want to change everything that we're doing and go
to another type of country that We're not going to
allow that to happen.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
You've known Paul Feinbaum, you said for thirty years. I
understand that you are not going to endorse. This is
your seat that's going to be up for grabs. Based
on your conversations, do you think he's going to run
or do you think he's not going to run?
Speaker 10 (56:33):
I think it's more than he is than he's not.
And now again, uh, this is a week or so
ago the last time I talked to him, and and
I said, Paul, you got to do your due diligence.
You got to go out. It's got to start making
phone calls. You've got to talk to people. Don't take
my word for it. I'm one vote. Uh uh And
I got an opinion, but you have to go talk
to people that and try to get two million people
(56:56):
to vote for you, and uh, there's a lot of
convention you're going to have to do. But I told
the same thing to Steve Marshall, Attorney General, the same
thing to Barry Moore, who's in Congress. It's running for
this seat. You have got to tell them what you
stand for, and people got to believe that. You've got
to be convincing. I did that for a year and
a half when I was football coach, and I said
(57:16):
I'm onna run for Senate. I went to every little town,
every meeting, every farm meeting, and told them, listen, I'm running,
and this is what I believe in. Forget about coaching,
just this is what I believe in. And thank goodness,
I don't think they elected me as coach. They elected
me for my beliefs and my love for the country.
Speaker 6 (57:37):
Senator Tuberville. Always appreciate you making the time for us
here on clan back.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 10 (57:42):
All right, guys, thank you, God bless and.
Speaker 6 (57:44):
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