October 10, 2025 • 64 mins
Delicious Irony
Clay and Buck dive into the federal indictment of New York Attorney General Letitia James on mortgage fraud charges, a stunning development given her high-profile role in pursuing former President Donald Trump. The hosts break down the legal implications, the irony of James facing the same type of charges she once weaponized, and whether she can ethically remain in office while under felony indictment. They also explore the political fallout, media reactions—including CNN’s controversial “everybody commits mortgage fraud” comment—and the likelihood of disbarment or removal from office.
The discussion expands to legal ethics, prosecutorial overreach, and the double standard in law enforcement, with comparisons to past cases like James Comey and Rudy Giuliani. Clay and Buck emphasize the principle that no one is above the law, especially those enforcing it.
AG Jason Miyares
An interview with Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares, who calls Democratic candidate for Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones’ comments “astonishing” and “disqualifying.” Jones faces backlash for vile text messages advocating violence, including wishing death on the children of political opponents and fantasizing about shooting a Republican leader. Clay and Buck slam the lack of accountability from Virginia Democrats and question why Spanberger continues to dodge questions about endorsing Jones.
Miyares details the ethical and moral crisis this represents, emphasizing that the election is now about “right versus wrong.” He also outlines his record on reducing violent crime, combating fentanyl trafficking, and achieving the nation’s largest drop in addiction deaths, crediting partnerships with law enforcement and targeted action against repeat violent offenders.
Why We're Anti-Cancel Culture
The latest on the ongoing government shutdown, as Speaker Mike Johnson accuses Democrats of prioritizing political theatrics over reopening the government. Clay and Buck analyze why Democrats are facing growing public backlash and how internal party pressures from the far-left are driving the stalemate.
The conversation shifts to Antifa and left-wing extremism, sparked by a White House statement labeling Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and Jimmy Kimmel’s viral claim that “Antifa doesn’t exist.” Clay and Buck dismantle that narrative, citing historical examples of Antifa violence and highlighting media hypocrisy in downplaying left-wing political violence, including the shocking case of a man caught with 200 explosive devices allegedly targeting Supreme Court justices.
Jack Carr Drops By
An in-depth interview with Jack Carr, former Navy SEAL and bestselling author of the Terminal List series and Amazon Prime hit Dark Wolf. Carr shares behind-the-scenes details on adapting his books for television, his writing process, and his latest novel Cry Havoc. He offers practical advice for aspiring authors, insights on balancing creative projects with Hollywood demands, and his thoughts on weaving real-world geopolitics into fiction. The discussion wraps with Carr naming his top war movies and the literary legends who inspired his career.
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on Amazon today. Welcome in everybody to the Friday edition
of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am
in a great mood today, Clay, because I am finally
home after almost two and a half weeks of travel.
Saw Ginger Spice by the front door.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's not that she's the most important, It's just that
she's the fastest on four legs.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You came off and you gave me a big hello
this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my door baby, and I'm
finally home, So yay for that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Also, some really good news for the whole world.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, So
that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit
on this, so much so that even some of his
adversaries and enemies are saying, yeah, that is a pretty
good one tells you. I think all you need to know.
But let me tell you what else you need to know.
(01:26):
For the show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney
General of Virginia, and he's going to talk about this
other guy who wants to be an attorney general for
the state of Virginia who had some text messages released
that were not good. Talk about that. The Virginia race
also getting a lot of attention because of the debate.
(01:47):
We are going to take you right into this. Alison
spam Berger span Berger whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't
I I think you said Allison, but I think it's whatever.
I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The point nobody knows that Berger is her last name.
You got that part right, I got that part right.
The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas
the Democrats is a woman, what does she stand for?
Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they
tried that on the debate stage and it didn't work
out well for her. One of the worst debate performances
(02:25):
I've seen in a well, very long time. Not quite
Joe Biden level debate performance, but pretty terrible. So we
will play some of the low lights of that for
you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our
friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminal
List series, and.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
He's got the series on Amazon right now, Black Wolf.
It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching
everybody on like a lot of stuff you see on
the streaming services.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So we'll talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right
after we got off.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The show yesterday, the news came out that New York
State's Attorney General, Leticia James has been indicted for mortgage fraud.
Here is what she has to say about this clip
thirteen hit it.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's
desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal law
enforcement agencies to do his bidding, all because I did
my job as a New York State attorney General. These
charges are baseless, and the president's own public statements make
clear that his only goal is political retribution at any cost.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm
sure you will too. I want to start with this one.
The charges aren't baseless. I mean, you know, you could
say a lot about it. And I actually believe that
some of these laws, and specifically mortgage fraud unless it's
systematic and intentional and overall large.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Mortgage fraud laws are need to be reformed.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I will say that, But that doesn't change the fact
that she's an attorney general put other people in prison
for mortgage fraud, had no problem with it, used statutes
in ways they never had been used before to try
to bankrupt Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But let's just look at it this way play.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
She broke the law based on the allegations. Unless the
facts are in dispute here, which they don't seem.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To be, she broke the law.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, I would go back to the same thing I
said when James Comey was indicted. This was a grand jury.
This was a grand jury in a Northern Virginia I
believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask
Letitia James if she were on the radio with us
right now, we played that clip. Is why did the
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grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh,
Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires
that a grand jury agree that there is a legitimate
basis for these charges to be brought. And that is
not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck,
this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area.
(05:14):
This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area.
This is among the best possible grand jury pools that
Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group
seventy thirty Biden, seventy thirty Kamala, and they are looking
at all this evidence and they are saying, we think
(05:35):
Letitia James broke the law. I will say this, it's
another one we got right. This is not a very
complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms.
And if you are a lawyer and you are in
charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest
states in the country, I think a lot of people
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out there do not give you the benefit of the doubt.
If there are parts of the mortgage application that are wrong,
that are favorable to you. This is not your average
guy or gal out there who's running through a mortgage
form as fast as they can. When you pass a
bar exam and when you are charged with enforcing the
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law for again, one of the biggest states in the country,
I think that you have a higher standard of expecting
to understand what you are filling out when it comes
to mortgages. And so I think that she's in a
tough spot. And of course this is a delicious irony,
as it were, because she went after Trump for alleged
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fraud when it came to the loan proceedings that he
was able to get relating to his assets and the
loans that he had repaid. And so this is based
on a property that she owns in Virginia that evidently
she has lied about what it's being used for.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences,
and the word primary is a problem for her there.
Everybody knows what that means. You can't have to i'mary
residences and clay beyond that. So there's the facts of
this which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if
you're the Attorney General of New York to Clay's point,
you should understand the law really better than anybody and
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should be held to a standard that you've held everyday
Americans to.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's a very straightforward question.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Have people gone to prison for mortgage fraud like this
in New York State with Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial
offices that do this because it's all federal The answers yes.
So if somebody can go to prison for this, she
can go to prison for this. And people might.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Say, oh, that's harsh. Well, to that, I say, it
is harsh.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under
the laws they use against us, or.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
We are in a tyranny, my friends. The law either
applies to everyone or should apply to no one. And
by the way, here she is, this is cut fourteen. Yeah,
making that very point, Clay, play it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The president of these United States is not above the laws.
No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are.
Everyone must play by the same rules. Please see him.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
For us, she said, everyone has to played by the
same rules. Looks like she broke the rules according to
this grand jury. She certainly did, I mean, Clay. Also,
if she didn't do this, this wouldn't be where it is.
This is a very straightforward crime. This is in fact
the crime that they try to get the corrupt congressman
(08:31):
in the show The Wire On and they and they
call it at that time the quote headshot because you
can go away for years based.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
On mortgage fraud.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, she's facing up to thirty years in prison now again.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Which is insane, Which is insane, and we can all,
by the way, we can all agree that's insane. But
change the laws, everybody. These some of these federal laws
are absurd. It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts, systemic,
essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times, okay, yeah,
you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only
probably get if she's found guilty six months or something.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Comey sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib
that didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Comy told a little fib too.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Guess what more significantly too, I don't know how she
remains the New York Attorney General. If you are the
chief law enforcement officer of a state and you are
facing felony charges, I don't understand how you remain in
that position. And she's benefited because she's in a blue state.
(09:36):
But there have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump related
officials who have law degrees for far less than felony
mortgage charges. So my question would be for everybody out
there listening on wor and all over the state of
New York, and this would be a question that I
think Kathy Hokele should have to answer. How can you
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have a chief law enforcement office of the State of
New York who is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud
executing the executing the office of New York Attorney General.
Because look, Buck, she's prosecuting people right now for the
crime that she has been indicted for in Virginia. That
(10:20):
feels to me to be untenable. I think she's going
to have to step down, And I'm surprised that more
people aren't already raising this as an issue, because again,
when you are the chief law enforcement official of a
state and you are facing felony charges, how in the
world can you be expected to be a fair and
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impartial ruler of the law when you're prosecuting people for
felony charges? That you yourself face.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That seems like a tough putt to say, it's a
huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more irony here,
because there's a lot of irony in this whole situation.
Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly.
But to bankrupt hundreds of million of dollars worth of
is to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks
involved them said it was great, we would do it again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
There was no problem here. What are you taught?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to
say that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars
or something. This is this is truly bonkers. Nobody would
ever say that. But beyond that, Clay she's gonna I
mentioned Clay Davis, who's actually the guy, a different Clay,
the guy from the wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud.
(11:30):
That's how they get the politician and what he's he do.
He appeals to the jury on sort of purely emotional
political grounds. He really goes for jury nullification. Here is
Leticia James. This is just a quick one. This cut fifteen.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
She told everybody she was going after Trump for political
reasons play it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald
Trump are coming to an end.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct,
especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played
with fire, but now she's seeing that can go both ways.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No doubt, And again I would love team see if
there's been any questioning. Of course, there probably hasn't because
the New York media is mostly left wing, but I'm
surprised there hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James
can stay in office given that she has felony charges
against her. I mean, judges would typically have to recuse
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themselves from any sort of judicial proceeding if they were
facing felony charges. How can Leticia James stay in the
office of New York AG. Now, the answer is politically,
this might actually be good for right because it elevates
her profile and in the left, if you're fighting Trump.
I was laughing when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB.
Pritzker that Gavin Newsom has to be so mad.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, Gavin.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Newsom's like, why won't he say he has to arrest me?
You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wineglass
against the wall when he saw that JB. Pritzker and
Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over ice and
not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know,
I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking
that question. It feels like a no brainer that she
would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General.
(13:10):
You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones
that you are facing from a fellow. Here's where my
guest claim.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I have to look at the New York state laws
about this, But my guess is that, like a judge
recusing himself for herself, there's some degree of it's like
up to the person unless they get maybe pressured from
the legislature in New York State that hey, look, you
either can step aside or will remove you. And I
(13:40):
just think that she'll be able to Again, I'm totally
spitballing here, but my sense is she will be able
to rely on the anti Trump lunacy of any Democrats.
Of Course, the New York State Assembly is Democrat and
the governor is a Democrat, so there won't be pressure
on her. I think from her own party in New
York State.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Two step aside.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So unless there's clear, you know, written out law that
you must, which I don't think there is, or we
would have already heard about it, she'll be able to
ride this out in office until the actual trial happens.
That's my Do you agree with that or you see
that going a different way?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't. I mean, I'm I'm working through in my
head the legal ethics morass, for lack of a better
way to describe it, on who lawyers can represent is
enough to make your eyeballs roll back into your head.
The conflicts and the withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things.
But do you think she stays in office or not?
(14:38):
I think that she has to. I'm gonna send this
sweet out, but I think she has to step down.
I don't, Well, I understand she'll it. And again this
is political versus legal, which is too different from like
we told.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
There's probably a good faith, Oh you should recuse yourself
in the in the ethics you know they're written.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I fix about the attorney genteral for New York. But
my guess is it's not an automatic And if it's
not an automatic. Then it relies on pressure from other
Democrats who can I'm sure you know she could be
fired by the governor, she could be removed from office.
I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes in place
usually for things like that. Clay, I don't think they're
gonna do that. I think they're gonna let her fight
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this thing out and see how it goes with a jury.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's my guess. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Look, and I'm gonna tee off here, so get ready
for popcorn if you want to see the reaction when
I'm about to post here. In addition to what we've
said obviously, but this may be one of the first
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(15:49):
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holding your kids or your grandkids hostage for the past
two years, and God willing on Monday, those surviving hostages
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Speaker 1 (17:22):
You welcome back in m Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you. We are joined now by the
current Attorney General of Virginia, Jason Miarez, who is right
now in the midst of a very close race against
the Jay Jones, who is the Democrat nominee. We were
(17:43):
just playing a lot of cuts from the governor's debate
last night, Jason, which I'm assuming that you watched in full,
and for people out there who have not heard, I
jotted down a lot of the awful things that Jay
Jones said and we'll run through them. But can you
believe that he's still running for the office of Attorney
general based on the stories that are out there right
(18:05):
now about calling for someone's kids who was the Virginia
Speaker of the House to die, to send them a
message saying they're being raised as fascits. I mean, it's
truly vile and reprehensible, and I was kind of stunned
that anybody would say it, much less somebody who's running
to be the chief law enforcement officer of a state.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean I gotta admit, as Attorney general, your job,
your number one job is to stop violence. I can't
imagine someone running for this position as advocated for it.
And you know, part of why this has been so
surreal for me is I previously part of being Attorney General,
I served in the General Assembly in Virginia with Jay
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and Todd Todd. Gilbert Todd is a personal friend of mine.
In fact, during session me him and another legislators will
get an airbnb. He was my roommate during session. He's
a personal friend. I know Jennifer, so did Jay Jones.
I mean, Jennifer Gilbert would come to the Assembly. Jennifer
Gilbert would bring her children. You would see them running
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down the hall or on the house floor. So this
wasn't some hypothetical. Part of what makes this so startling
to me was the fact that at.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
The ages of Todd's children when he sent these text messages.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Was they were two and five years old. And I
gotta tell you when this first broke, you know, my
team was all that you've got to get a statement out,
and I said, just stop. I need some time to
process this because just imagine this politics aside. Imagine somebody
saying this about a friend of yours and their family.
Imagine how you would feel. And so the idea that
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he would say this about someone he knows, someone he's
worked with, children that he has met, I think has
just made this at a different level that has just
astonished me. And you know that it seems like you
are seeing a few Democrats outside of Virginia that clearly
indicated they can't vote for him. But as far as
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right now, the political class in Virginia right now is
saying these are horrible texts. He needs to be held accountable,
but they don't say what accountability looks like. I think
Virginia voters are gonna hold him accountable for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, mister me, attorney general, we are as I got
to ask the moment where on the debate stage, and
we played it for this audience just a few minutes ago,
where the Lieutenant governor asked, uhl Abigail Spanberger, if she
still endorses Jay Jones for attorney general? How can you
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have somebody who is hoping to be governor who can't
even say that the attorney general from her part, the
would be attorney general from her party, has her full
endorsement it just seems like this is a should be
a non starter.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, it's clear, it's clear that's where we are now.
And just to remind people that uh Abigail Stamberger had
asked for Ralph Northam's resignation as governor of the previous
governor over a thirty year old yearbook photo.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
But to your.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Point, I mean, I think this should be a question
asked of every elected Democrat or even elected official in
either side of island Virginia. If someone was applying for
a job to work in your office and it came
out during their vetting that they had sent these that
expressed these sentiments and had actually wished or as they hoped,
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a two to five year old child would die in
their mother's arm, would you still hire them? Well, then
extra question to answers knows, then why would you vote
to elevate this person to be literally the top prosecutor
in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. And it just shows
and just for your listeners realized the background. What set
Jay Jones on this path is he was very upset
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that Todd Gilbert had said nice words in memory of
a moderate Democrat that served in the Assembly that had
passed away. He was angry that Todd was saying something
nice about a member of his own party, and his
response was that he wanted to be able to pit
on the graves of his political opponents. I mean, think
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about that where you're coming from and for your listeners.
You know, I keep a sign of my office in Richmond.
It's one of my favorite quotes from Thomas Jefferson, and
it is this. I have never found the difference of
opinion in politics, philosophy, or religion to be cause to
withdrawal from a friend. It's just a reminder for me
in my job that I may disagree with you politically,
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I'm not going to draw my friendship for you. I
had met with victims. I had never once asked the
victim of a crime whether they ever voted for me.
What part of the are I don't care. My job
is to be the people's protector of everyone. That's such
a different mindset of someone who says I would like
to see a you know, my political opponents have two
built bullets.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
In their head. And when he's texted by his.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Colleague Jay, you're literally saying you're hoping that Jennifer Gilbert's
children die in her arms. Your responses, yes, because it
is only through change the pain, through pain, the change occurs. Well,
that is a that is an incredibly dark worldview to
think that you have to inflict pain on individuals to
somehow achieve a political objective. That is a that you know,
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we we have some chapters in our history obviously as
our country, but we settle a long time ago.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
We don't.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
We don't settle our differences with bullets. We settlement the
ballot box. And that's the sign of a vibrant democracy.
And so it's a I do think this, this election
now in Virginian is not about right versus left. It's
about right versus wrong. It's about a basic standard of decency.
And candidly, it's just nationwide, what is the signal, uh
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that can you say anything you want about your opposition,
even even saying you help violence against their family, and
they're not be a political price. And I think I
trust Virginians are going to get it right. But I
think the stake's here for the larger nation is a
sobering one.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Let me hit you with some of those quotes you
mentioned them at a little bit. I am reading from
the New York Times, which actually managed to cover it today.
At one point, Jay Jones, as you said, remarked that
he would quote piss on the graves of Republican delegates
when they died. He went on to say that if
he had two bullets in a gun and his choice
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was to shoot Adolph Hitler, the former Cambodian dictator Polpot
or Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert, a Republican, that he
would shoot mister Gilbert twice, and he said, spoiler, put
Gilbert and the crew with the two worst people you know,
and he receives both bullets every time. He also said
(24:51):
that he hoped that Jennifer Gilbert's children would die, and
he didn't back down. He said, yes, I've told you
this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they
move on policies. He then said, I mean, do I
think Todd who was the Speaker of the House, and
Jennifer his wife are evil and that they're breeding little
(25:14):
fascist Yes, I mean this is vile, vile things that
Jay Jones is saying. So are you surprised? You mentioned
that there are some Democrats out of the state that
are saying even Kentucky Governor Andy Basheer said, yeah, I
would have trouble voting for Jay Jones. He's the Democrat
governor of Kentucky. Are you surprised that Virginians in the
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Democrat Party so far are staying rock ribbed behind Jay
Jones given what he did? Would we know that?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
He said, yeah, I mean I am surprised.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I'm Kim William very surprised. But I do think that
there has been a disconnect between the leadership and where
everyday Virginians are. Obviously, it's something I am hearing about
constantly when I am out talking to individuals. But think
about this as well. What this also tells me that
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about my opponent is that he's never actually met with
real mothers that have actually lost.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Their children's to violence. I have.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I have met the mom's of murdered victims, and I
can tell you that right now, there is no cry
like the cry of a mother that has lost her child.
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
It is.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
It is soul searing, and once you've actually experienced that,
you can't even imagine that on your on anybody, you know,
even if they're your political enemy.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
But it just shows that he is as he's not.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Prepared, he's obviously reckless with his judgment, and he has
a worldview that is completely incompatible with this office, period.
And don't forget it also has come out that he
apparently told another colleague that as far as police violence,
that he said, if you could get rid of qualified
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immunity to sue police personally, and maybe if some cops died,
and actually they would change their behavior. And so you've
seen the Fraternal Order Police and a host of other
law enforcement organizations also have come out. You had a
group of sheriffs and commonwealth attorneys in Virginia say that
he should not stay in the race. So you've seen
law enforcement has come out quite forcibly saying we don't
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want him to be the top prosecutor in the states, period.
And so you have seen, I think of, not surprisingly,
an enormous amount of courage from our law enforcement heroes
that have come out quite fortunately, a lot of which
are apolitical. The Virginia State Police Association, which normally rarely
ever delves into anything slightly political, has come out quite
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forcilly about these remarks. Because the hardest thing for me
is attending to the end of watch funerals for officers
that have died in a line of duty. That is
by far the most difficult moment that you ever have
as a public official. You realize it's the hardest job
in America, and you just sit back and you think,
I can't imagine not that I think we'd ever attend,
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but somebody who actually has wished, because when you talk
to these family members and then they talk about the
job and the burden of the badge and what it
means to carry the shield every day. And earlier this year,
I attended the End of Watch with offser Cameron gerbin
Ostar Christopher Reef. They died February twenty second of this year,
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two officers in Virginia Beach gunned down in the line
of duty. You know, you talk to those famili you know,
Cameron left behind the wife who had just found out
she was pregnant with a baby girl. I mean, you
get those stories. You meet these law enforcement guardians and
you realize what Jay Jones has said, this worldview of
violence that gets individuals to advance agendas. So outside of
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the normal frameworks, I think he's disqualified himself from the job.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Pretty gentlemen, are as could you just tell everybody with
the couple of minutes we have left. What have you
done as attorney general that has had real impact that
you're proud of, that has shown the kind of law
enforcement focus in there. I love Virginia. It's a state
that it's like a top five in terms of time
spent state. For me, I would say, so, I have
family in Charlottesville. I'm very, very fond of Virginia. Tell
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everybody what you've been doing in your state.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Yeah, well, listen.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
When I came in the office, the Virginia had a murderated,
a twenty year high, violent crime rated a thirty year high,
the high level of addiction desk ever recorded. And I
had this novel Idea Clay. I said, I'm going to
work with law enforcement, not work against them. We also
saw that we had unacceptable violence. Our murder rate was
driven by violence in certain areas of the state, certain
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of our localities. We saw the five percent of felons
were committing over fifty percent of the violent felonies. So
we went after these repeat violent offenders by a way,
a lot of which are in the narcotics trade city
of Brono. Cologone, for example, is zero point one to
two percent of population of the City of Roanoke. That's
one fifth of one percent. We're committing over thirty percent
of the homicide. So we went after the small subset
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of repeat violent offenders. We investigated them, we indicted, we
in prosecuted them, and the murder rates dropped dramatically. City
of Roanoke sixty two percent drop in our murder rate.
We've had a double digit cross drop in our violent
frank crime rate our seafire cities. This huge reduction more
people are alive today. We prosecuted and got enough vetanyl
off the streets that would have killed seven million Virginians.
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Record settlements against some of the opioid manufacturers that has
gone to treatments. So Virginia is not top ten, we're
not top five. We are now the number one state
in the entire country. And they overall dropping of addiction
death from this record high addiction desk to this number
one in the country and the drop, huge dropping reduction
or a violent crime. I say, as Attorney General and
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the people's protector, I protect all Virginians, whether they're Republican,
Democrat or Independence. We're proud of that record. I've said
Virginian safety has been my mission from day one. What
I'm asking Virginians to rehire me to continue to do
that good work, and definitely don't hire somebody to be
the top prosecutor who a has never been a prosecutor
again his life. B has a legislative voting record of
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voting against police and against victims, and c literally is
advocated for violence against his political opponents and said he
hopes to see their children die. He's simply unfit and
disqualified to this office.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Turning, gentlemen, Arez appreciate what you've done, sir, and we
know our audience is going to get out there in
your state, those who are listening who live there and
help you pull this one over the finish line.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Thanks so much.
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Speaker 3 (31:41):
With you, absolutely all right.
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Speaker 2 (32:56):
All right, third hour of play in book, last hour
before the weekend and gets going, which is so accepting.
And let's just bring up to speed all the latest
news here. Let's dive into it, shall we. First of all,
the government shutdown is still a thing. The government is
still shut down. And Speaker Johnson, who play while you
(33:16):
were out, he actually called into the show. So we
spoke to the Speaker of a House about this issue.
But he just weighed in earlier today and his take
is that Democrats know they're going to have to cave,
but first they have to go through the theatrics of
perhaps some rallies over this weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Here is the Speaker of the House cut thirty hit it.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
We're so angry about it. I mean, you know, I'm
a very patient guy, but I have had it with
these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The
theory we have right now. They have a Hate America
rally that's scheduled for October eighteenth on the National Mall.
It's all the pro Hamas wing and the you know,
the Antifa people. They're all coming out. Some of the
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House Democrats are selling T shirts for the event. And
it's being told to us that they won't be able
to reopen the government until after that rally because they
can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is serious business.
Hurting real people, and I just I'm beyond words. I
can't believe they're actually doing.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
This, Democrats putting the politics of the moment ahead of
real people's interests.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Clay not a surprise here at all.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And I think this is the first shutdown I can
remember where Democrats are getting rarely the blame from a
majority of Americans.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't think most Americans feel impacted by the shutdown
at all. I mean, the Trump Middle East peace agreement
and him traveling to the Middle East is going to
take over all of the news through the weekend. The
release of the hostages, hopefully, which will occur after two
years on Monday, will be an unbelievable moment in the
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Middle East. Even for Trump detractors, that will be an
event that is very difficult not to imagine it leading
news all through Monday. I just I feel like Democrats
are in a tough spot and the reality is it
seems like Trump's kind of calling their bluff and saying, Okay,
We're going to start laying off primarily Democrat workers, and
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they cause this, and they don't really seem to have
a way to fix it, and I just think it's
going to drag on for a long time until some
of these senators in swing states Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, Arizona,
until they start looking around and recognizing that their constituents
(35:43):
are not pleased over their decision making. Remember, there's nothing
going on here. This is unprecedented because the continuing resolution
would just continue to spend money as has already occurred.
And I just think they're in a really tough position.
I don't know how they get themselves out of this mess.
And I think the only reason Chuck Schumer let it
(36:04):
happen is because he's terrified of AOC and I think
Hakeem Jefferies is terrified over one of the mom Donnie
guys who evidently is going to challenge him in his seat.
And I think radical left wing ideas have taken root,
because remember, the leader of the House is a New Yorker,
(36:24):
the leader of the Senate for Democrats is a New Yorker,
and the left in New York City has lost its mind.
They're going to elect a socialist, a communists, it appears,
and that has taken over the entire Democrat Party. So
I think this is actually just a local political preservation
move that Hakeem Jefferies and Schumer are engaged in.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Meanwhile, speaking of the radical left, Clay, the White House
puts out this on X Make no mistake. ANTIPHA is
a radical terrorist organization that explicitly calls for the overthrow
of the US government, law enforcement, and our system of law.
Under the Trump administration, Antifa's days are over, but noted
extremism expert Jimmy Kimmel, who still has a TV show, Everybody,
(37:14):
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
First amendments not dead? Oh my gosh, Jimmy Kimmel was
off the air for two days.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Here's Jimmy or was it three days? Whatever it was,
here's Jimmy Kimmel four days. To be fair, I think
I don't want MSNBC fact checking you on your lack
of commitment to the truth and decency.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Thank you, Clay's Clay's always got my back. Jimmy Kimmel
lying to his audience about Antifa. This is twenty four
hit it.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
You understand, there's no Antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
There is not in Antifa.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
This is no different than if they announced they rounded
up a dozen decepticons. We've captured the super Cobra.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Everyone, Clay, I've read books about Antifa, I've seen Antifa personally.
I've never seen the Chupacabra though, so I think that
Jimmy's analysis here needs a little bit of work.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, he's wrong, And I've seen Antifa too. I remember
when Antifa really kind of got its start. Remember all
the World Bank protests that they used to have. I
don't think they care about the World Bank anymore. But
my recollection is this is where all of the crazy
people became crazy for the first time, was related to
the IMF. Do you remember that when they decided the
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IMF was uniquely evil? And I haven't heard about the
IMF in a very, very long time, but when I
was in college, the IMF is right next to George
Washington University, and they basically rioted in nineteen ninety nine
or two thousand or whatever it was. I remember walking
through campus and all these Antifa lunatics running around with
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spray paint cans and throwing throwing Molotov cocktail a little
bit like it wasn't as if it was the same
level that we saw during the BLM protest, but lots
of graffiti, lots of the spray lighting things on fire.
Remember that back in the day when people used to
have I don't know what it was, but they would
spray something and they'd have a lighter and it would
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kind of turn into a blow torch or whatever. Yeah,
a lot of that going on. And yeah, so I
don't understand the argument being this thing that you're seeing
happen is not real. This is the typical way this goes, Right,
they say that's not happening. Then they say, Okay, it happens,
but not very often. Then they go to, yeah, it's
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happening and it's a good thing. So at some point
they're going to come back around to yes, Antifa exists,
but they're not very impactful, and eventually we're all going
to be told, yes Antifa exists. Then they have to
exist because otherwise who would stand up to fascism? And
that's kind of the treadmill that we're on when it
comes to the way we talk about left wing violence
(39:53):
in the country. Buck did we even talk about this?
Apologies if we didn't, But it may have been earlier
this week, you may have been everybody just totally basically
stopped talking about a guy who had two hundred explosive
devices and showed up outside of a church where the
Republican the Republican appointed and confirmed Supreme Court justices tend
(40:15):
to go worship, and he wanted to kill as many
people as he could. Thankfully, they caught him two hundred
incendiary devices in his car. Though that seems like kind
of a big deal.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It just totally plays that story.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Before we know whether he should spend the rest of
his life in prison or not, we have to know
does he identify as trans? Yeah, that's important because if
you identify as trans, you get a very light sentence,
even if you're planning a political assassination. That was just
established based on the guy who said he wanted to
kill Brett Kavanaugh. Because now he says he's trends. It's like, whoa, WHOA.
(40:47):
Hold on a second, I didn't know he was trans.
We can't put him in prison that long, and we're
gonna put him in a women's prison. That's what they're
trying to do. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I guess if you had to get sent to prison,
like if I have faced multiple years in prison, I'm
gonna say I'm a chick too. It's probably a lot
safer in a girl's prison than it is a guy's prison.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
In my crazy much better deal for a guy.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
To be in a woman's prison, and a I would assume,
I would assume I don't have experience. I feel I
feel like I'm gonna be safer in the showers, let's
put it that way, than I would in the men's prison.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
So I do.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'm not even necessarily surprised by the decision, But I mean,
in all seriousness, we just keep stacking all of these
left wing wounds one after the other, and they happen
so frequently that the stories vanish and they have no
residence whatsoever. And it just reminds me of.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
The Jan six.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
You know, Jan six happens and they talk about it
four years and they refuse to allow it to vanish. Meanwhile,
there's an assassin outside of Brett Kavanaugh's house who is
trying to kill him to ensure.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That Roe V.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Wade is not overturned. We still don't know who the
leaker was. Worth mentioning that set all of this in order,
and was designed to set this in order right, that
basically drew the big target on the on the Supreme
Court justices because it was until the yes, it was
inciting terrorism, it was inciting releasing that decision was meant
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to incite violence and perhaps an assassination of a Supreme
Court justice to stop that decision because Democrats told, I
feel as many babies as they want with no one
stopping them until the opinion is published. It is not law.
So that was an unprecedented leak which never occurs. And
there's only fifty people probably that had significant access to
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that opinion, and basically everybody just threw up their hands
and said, well, we'll never know. But that was the
impetus under which Brett Kavanaugh's assassination was attempted.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Jimmy Kimmel not finished, by the way, with his statements
about politics lately. Here he is, remember he got in
trouble because he said that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a
MAGA guy, which was a lie. It was preposterous. Now
Here he is saying that he didn't say anything wrong.
It was the way that people pounced on what he
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said played twenty five.
Speaker 11 (43:09):
I didn't think there was a big problem, I you know,
I just saw it as distortion on the part of
some of the right wing media networks, and I was
I aimed to correct it.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
I have problems like all the time.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
And it's kind of funny because sometimes you think, oh,
this is not a problem, and then it turns into
a big problem. And then sometimes it goes the other
way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna
be a problem nobody really notices.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And so what point did you realize this was a problem.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
I think when they pulled the show off the air, well,
that's unusual. He felt like their initial comments had been mischaracterized.
I didn't feel like it was anywhere it was intentionally
and I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
How is someone mischaracterizing his words when what he's said
was clearly false and malicious? That this is This is
where I wish somebody would ask, like, explain how that's
a mischaracter You said something that was clearly untrue and
you didn't it wasn't part of a joke. By the way,
(44:14):
that's also a lie. He wasn't making a joke. He
was making a political statement. So now I don't know
what the answer is. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
there is one.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean, look, I would just say we talk live
every single day, and so far, to my knowledge, we
haven't really had to apologize for anything. Now we get
facts wrong unintentionally, we come back and we say, hey,
we saw that, we said this, but we never apologized
for an actual opinion. I don't think there was a mischaracterization. Now,
(44:46):
I do agree with him. That was I thought actually
kind of funny. When they took the show off. That's
when you know it's a bad thing. This is why
I'm anti cancel culture. Many of you who listened to
Rush know this. Uh, they will not stop coming after
us no matter what. They came after Rush with everything
they had, and I don't think that they're suddenly going
(45:09):
to say, oh they're coming for us too, we're gonna
change it. I think this is where you stand on principle.
I understand some people disagree and say, hey, live radio,
live television, whatever it is, this shouldn't be a cancel
culture at all. And I said that for Roseanne, I
said that for for Gina Carano. I think that if
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you're in creative space, any comedian out there, you're sometimes
going to speak inarticulately and sometimes you're gonna say moronic things.
And I think as long as you are doing your
best to to to try to be creative in the space.
I don't think we should try to cancel people. But
the words weren't mischaracterized, they were poorly said, and they
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were they were rightly condemned. I think by I saw
that he lied or either rather or he said something
false because he's a moron. But either way it's a
bad thing to say. Living on blue sky, the amount
of left wingers who do not know basic truths now
and this is why I talk about the cognitive dissonance.
(46:13):
You've been told Trump's Hitler, and now he's on the
cover of Jerusalem Today or whatever it is, and is
going to bring back all the terrorists. I mean, at
some point, the alarm bell should start going off in
your head. Hey wait a minute, maybe the things that
I've been told by the media I follow are not true.
And I'm cautiously optimistic. Buck if you look, for instance,
at what's going on with the Washington Post, that people
(46:35):
like Jeff Bezos are starting to get fed up with things,
and there is a cultural shift that is significant even
in left wing publications. Fingers crossed, you have more faith
than I do. I'm an opmorph. This is true, you're
an optimist.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I'm surly all right.
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Speaker 3 (48:27):
Back in everybody. We're joined by Jackcarr.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He is a former Navy seal turned bestselling author of
the Terminal List book series and The Streaming Show, which
is an excellent show. Highly highly recommend the books and
the show. Usually, Jack, you know you don't get both
to be great, Like you can write great books, but
they don't do a great show. You are in very
rarefied air my friend as somebody who has both great
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books and great show.
Speaker 7 (48:54):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah, both went to
the number one on Prime Video, which is not that
and the first one that in twenty twenty two summer
of twenty twenty two hops back into that top five,
which is unusual as well, so after so many years,
so that was pretty pretty cool. We'll find out in
the next couple of weeks if we get a second
season of Dark Wolf. It's looking good though. Everybody wants
(49:14):
to do it, so we shall see. And then we
just finished film and True Believer of the second book
over in Morocco and finished up. There been fild me
that since February in South Africa, Morocco and Toronto, and
that should come out next summer. So there's a lot
in the works.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I really appreciate you know, when you're in the first episode,
the first episode of Dark Wolf, which obviously I saw recently,
it to me there's so much really good content that
could be done about that Gwatt era and special operations,
but really very few people have done it or certainly
done it well, and I think you just nailed it
(49:49):
in the opening episode of Dark Wolf.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I'm also a tailor. Kitch and.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Pratt are like two of my favorite actors, so how
did you manage did you get to p were you like,
you know what, I just want these two awesome guys
to be playing important roles in my series.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Well, Chris optioned out of the gate. He's the only
person I wanted to option it and play the character
of James Reees. So he was he was my pick
and set from the beginning, and then the first season
I wasn't involved in the casting process. I was involved
in it for the second season and for Dark Wolf,
but first season I wasn't. So it was a not
a surprise, but I guess a surprise in the fact
(50:25):
that I didn't pick him. I didn't pick anybody because
I wasn't involved. But they said Taylor Kitsch is playing
Ben Edwards, and I said, oh my gosh, that is
the best pick.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
You got Riggins to play a Navy series.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Fck even recognizes the start from Friday Night Lights. Yeah, Jack,
And so that's an incredible combo. What is it like
to balance writing obligations with making television show obligations Because
I imagine you're on the road all the time, you're
promoting the book, the books all the time, but you
(50:57):
have to continue to produce new books. How do you
balance it all out? Do you have a set, regimented schedule.
There's a lot of people out there in creative space,
I bet that are curious how you balance all of that.
Speaker 7 (51:09):
Yes, well, balance is a bit of a misnomer. I
hope to get to some balance one day. But there's
a reason we're talking here in October and not in
June when the book was supposed to come out, and
that is because I was juggling so much with both
the TV show, two TV shows, essentially Dark Wolf and
True Believer, and writing this book that I thought was
going to be the most efficiently written book yet, meaning
(51:31):
I thought I had a good understanding of Vietnam, lessons
learned from Vietnam, the sixties, overall the feel of that
period of time. And then I dove into the research
for this book Cry Havocs, and I'm on book tour
four right now, and I realized I'd really just scratched
the surface because every sentence in this book has to
be written through the lens of nineteen sixty eight. I
didn't want to have fifty plus years of hindsight applied
(51:54):
to any character's perspective on an event, a situation, or
part of a conversation. So that took a lot longer
than research for a contemporary thriller. And that's why we're
here in October. Point being the balance thing is something
I am still working on. Every morning I get up
and it's like being shot out of the cannon with kids, wife,
dog and all the rest of it. So it's just
(52:15):
mass chaos. But I feel extremely fortunate to be working
on multiple Hollywood projects, multiple books, and to have Cry
Havoc out there, which I think is my best book yet.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Ooh, let's saying something.
Speaker 7 (52:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
And you know, my father in law is a huge fan,
huge fan of the series.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
I know, I think I said it one. I didn't
ad directed by that.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
No, I think you did. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And he reads it like within you know, days of
getting it, so he's always very up to speed on it.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
The one thing that we get here a lot, especially
when I see people in person, Jack, is they'll say,
you know, I'm thinking about doing a podcast, like I
do you have any advice, and I'll you know, and
we really do a radio show that's also a podcast.
But I just say, yeah, here's my advice, do it
and just start doing it, and just do a lot,
and then go What if someone comes up to you
and says, you know, hey, man, like you you really,
(53:07):
you know, you're the Tom Clancy of our era, Like
you've become this huge phenomenon, so much success in writing.
How do I start to write a fiction book? In
the most general terms, what do you say to them?
Speaker 7 (53:19):
I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,
don't worry about Do I need to find an agent?
Do I need to find a publisher? How does that happen?
Do I need a social media presence? Do I need
to build that up in order to sell books? I
need to get a website going? You when need to start? No,
all of that bandwidth is now bandwidth that is not
going into making that product, in this case, a book,
the best that it can possibly be. So focus those
(53:41):
efforts on making this book the best it can possibly be.
And then once it's done, or you get it to
a place where you think, hey, if I worked on
this for the next five to ten years, it would
get better, but it would get better by a degree
or two. And when you're at that stage, then it's
time to start thinking about those other things, thinking about
having to find an agent and a publisher and all
the rest of it. But the first thing you have
to do is.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Have that product that I got one follow up question
for you, Jack, and sorry, I may or may not
be taking notes here, because I think writing a fiction
book would be fun. Do you structure the whole thing
out or do you start writing based on the story
you want to tell and then create structure after you've
gotten a chapter out or something.
Speaker 7 (54:21):
Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,
and it's not based on anything that I read or
anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.
And I come up with the title and a theme
for every book. And I've come up with a title
even if it's going to change, so I'm not wasting
bandwidth worried about coming up with a good title. So
I do that I have a theme that's going to
guide the writing process. In the case of the first book,
(54:41):
it was Revenge without Constraint, and I had that on
a little yellow sticky on my computer as I typed away,
just to keep me on track. Then I read a
one page executive summary and I read it, and I say,
is this worth the next year to the year and
a half of my life? And if the answer is yes,
I read it again and I say, if someone was
to walk by a Hudson News at the airport and
pull this book off the show and read something similar
to this that describes the book, would they be willing
(55:03):
to invest time in this story that they're never going
to get back? And if the answer is yes or
most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.
And I take that one page executive summary, turn that
into the outline so I know where I'm going. So
I have that beginning of that middle of that end,
a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,
and I at least have a destination. And if there's
some things in that outline where I'm like, ah, hell,
(55:24):
are you ever going to get out of this situation?
Or well, I know I have a year to figure
it out. This isn't the battlefield in a rack at
Afghanistan where I have to make a split second decision
that's going to affect people to my right and left
forever and their families. Now I have time I can
sleep on or I can wake up. I can edit
and in a year, I am confident that I'm creative
enough that I can figure this out. So get that
to that stage, and then I turn that outline into
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the narrative.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We're talking to Jack Carr. Cry Havoc is the latest
and best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According
to Jack Carr himself, I love those answers, by the way,
and I would encourage people out there to take that
advice and pursue your own writing design. Let me ask
you this. The world is evolving and there's so much
crazy happening every day. You write out those plot points,
(56:09):
and do you ever think, boy, there's no way anything
like this could happen. And then there's a plot point
that is very similar to what you have thought about before.
And to your point, you spend a year writing, but
it can end up looking very timely. How much do
you pay attention to current events? Buck just came back
from Taiwan, for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You
(56:29):
probably haven't thought about a lot, but you know you
can kind of think of where the geopolitical flash points
might be. Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking
about it as you're writing, or are you trying to
divorce yourself from the current world in which you sit.
Speaker 7 (56:45):
I'm always, ever since a little kid, I'm always interested
in in Currens's current events, also history, the merging of
those two. What lessons we can draw from history and
apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.
But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something
from that headlines, or I need to project into the future.
It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on
(57:06):
around the world. That's just where my interests lie then,
but I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into
a story. Instead, I'm focused only on the story. And
if I'm only focused on this story without worrying about
the current event or a headline, or if I'm going
to upset somebody with if I say X, Y or
Z or hey, are short chapters better than the long chapters? Now,
(57:27):
I don't consider any of that. I just focus on
the story, and in doing so, I honor I think
the readership and the listenership now that is going to
spend time with me that they're never getting back, So
I focus on that. But things have happened that I've
written about that I didn't it looks like I'm projecting
something like the Russian invasian Ukraine, But that was not
a hard one. That was Zach came out in twenty nineteen.
(57:50):
That's the one we filmed True Believer that we just
finished up, and that storyline had to change a little
bit because the Russians actually did invade Ukraine. So there's
been that I talked about an AI a quantum computer
well before anyone had heard of chat GPT. There are
certain things like that that have come up in the novels.
October seventh, something similar to that I wrote about in
(58:11):
Israel not too long ago before it happened. So some
of these things look like I'm projecting I have a
crystal ball, but I certainly do not. They are just
they just happened to correspond with some current events. But
I do like to weave a lot of things that
are our topical into the storylines because at one day
people are going to go back maybe and read these
(58:32):
and it'll be like a time machine. It's me going
back and reading Hunt for Red October. Now, that's a
time machine in nineteen eighty four. And so I do
I am talking to some of that.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had.
Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,
if you had to pick one author would be the
biggest thing.
Speaker 7 (58:50):
You picked one because I read so many growing up
and they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.
It's David Morale, It's Nelson de Mill, It's JJ Quanelli's
JC Pollock, It's Mark Old and it's more. It's johny Caray,
It's Ian Fleming, It's Robert Ludlamits all of those masters
that I read from the eighties all the way through
the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell, who
created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood, kicked
(59:13):
off this book tour with me in Phoenix just a
few days ago. Such an honor to be on stage
with him. And all of those guys were so instrumental
during those very formative time in my life, let's say
for most of us age ten to twenty, and during
that time, I am reading all those masters, and they're
really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling. But
back then I didn't look at it that way. I
(59:34):
just looked at it as escaping into the magic of
those pages. But it created this foundation that I then
coupled with the academic study of warfare and my experiences
downrange in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring the
feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was involved with.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
All Right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,
You're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being
far too diplomatic and humble though, so I want to
put you on the hot seat with three best war
movies of all time, then to give you your author
number one. But the three best war movies for you
are what?
Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
All right, Band of Brothers, even though it's a series,
I think it's you know, keep that one to the side,
but it's a series. But that is certainly up there.
I was chefs actually right before we came on here,
I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen
and we were talking, oh wow, tune. Yeah. We're talking
about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now
when he was like nine or ten years old with
his dad, because my book is probably have like nineteen
(01:00:26):
seventy eight, and so we're talking about that and his
experiences on set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and
Robert Duval and just just a fascinating conversation with him.
So I would say band of brothers. I would throw
a platoon in there, for sure. I love Uncommon Valor.
For those who have remember that one Apocalypse now long
Longest Day, those ones really stand out to me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Last question for you, as we got break here, I've
got one here. Who is a guy or gal who
has read your book that you were blown away? Is
a fan? Has there been somebody that you met and
you just couldn't get over it, because, look, you come
from a background, you're busting your ass, you know, doing
what you do in the military before you end up
writing these books. Is there anybody that you were just
(01:01:12):
in disbelief was a reader or a big fan of
your work?
Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
It's yeah. David Morrell, who created Rambo. I can't believe
that he's He actually gave me a blurb when that
blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just that that one
blew me away because discovering him through Rambo First Blood
Part two, a novelization, which is a book based on
the screenplay In the Summer of Rambo in nineteen eighty five,
then going back and reading First Blood, then reading Brother
(01:01:36):
for the Rose fra Turning the Stone, League of Night
and Fogg, and then having him one of my heroes
in the literary realm, read my books and be a fan.
That's a little crazy. And then Charlie Sheen he was
a fan of the books before before he even came
on the podcast, and that was a little bit crazy too,
having grown up watching him in these movies, to include
Navy Seals, No very cool.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a
runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm
mid series right now for dark Wolf. Highly recommend it
to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always,
congrats on all your success. Come back and hang out
with us anytime.
Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.
Stay strong, it's important.
Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
We'll do. Thank you.
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of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show. I am
in a great mood today, Clay, because I am finally
home after almost two and a half weeks of travel.
Saw Ginger Spice by the front door.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's not that she's the most important, It's just that
she's the fastest on four legs.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You came off and you gave me a big hello
this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Saw my beautiful wife, Carrie, my door baby, and I'm
finally home, So yay for that.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Also, some really good news for the whole world.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
The truce goes into effect between Israel and Hamas, So
that's great news. And President Trump deserved so much credit
on this, so much so that even some of his
adversaries and enemies are saying, yeah, that is a pretty
good one tells you. I think all you need to know.
But let me tell you what else you need to know.
(01:26):
For the show today, we have Jason Miaris, the Attorney
General of Virginia, and he's going to talk about this
other guy who wants to be an attorney general for
the state of Virginia who had some text messages released
that were not good. Talk about that. The Virginia race
also getting a lot of attention because of the debate.
(01:47):
We are going to take you right into this. Alison
spam Berger span Berger whatever abig I said, Abigail didn't
I I think you said Allison, but I think it's whatever.
I actually didn't mean to do that, but it's the same.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
The point nobody knows that Berger is her last name.
You got that part right, I got that part right.
The whole thing is, who are you voting for? Anas
the Democrats is a woman, what does she stand for?
Nobody really knows, and that's the whole game. Well, they
tried that on the debate stage and it didn't work
out well for her. One of the worst debate performances
(02:25):
I've seen in a well, very long time. Not quite
Joe Biden level debate performance, but pretty terrible. So we
will play some of the low lights of that for
you and I am looking forward to it. Also, our
friend Jack Carr, former Navy seal, author of the Terminal
List series, and.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
He's got the series on Amazon right now, Black Wolf.
It's awesome, it's doing great stuff. It's actually worth watching
everybody on like a lot of stuff you see on
the streaming services.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
So we'll talk to him. But Clay, oh my. Right
after we got off.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
The show yesterday, the news came out that New York
State's Attorney General, Leticia James has been indicted for mortgage fraud.
Here is what she has to say about this clip
thirteen hit it.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
This is nothing more than a continuation of the President's
desperate weaponization of our justice system. He's forcing federal law
enforcement agencies to do his bidding, all because I did
my job as a New York State attorney General. These
charges are baseless, and the president's own public statements make
clear that his only goal is political retribution at any cost.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Claire, I have a lot of thoughts on this. I'm
sure you will too. I want to start with this one.
The charges aren't baseless. I mean, you know, you could
say a lot about it. And I actually believe that
some of these laws, and specifically mortgage fraud unless it's
systematic and intentional and overall large.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I mean, the.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Mortgage fraud laws are need to be reformed.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I will say that, But that doesn't change the fact
that she's an attorney general put other people in prison
for mortgage fraud, had no problem with it, used statutes
in ways they never had been used before to try
to bankrupt Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But let's just look at it this way play.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
She broke the law based on the allegations. Unless the
facts are in dispute here, which they don't seem.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
To be, she broke the law.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Well, I would go back to the same thing I
said when James Comey was indicted. This was a grand jury.
This was a grand jury in a Northern Virginia I
believe Alexandria as well courtroom. So what I would ask
Letitia James if she were on the radio with us
right now, we played that clip. Is why did the
(04:50):
grand jury get it wrong? Because you can say, oh,
Trump is going after his political adversaries, but it requires
that a grand jury agree that there is a legitimate
basis for these charges to be brought. And that is
not a grand jury of your or mine. Peers Buck,
this is not where I live in Nashville, Tennessee area.
(05:14):
This is not where you live in the Miami, Florida area.
This is among the best possible grand jury pools that
Leticia James could have. They probably voted as a group
seventy thirty Biden, seventy thirty Kamala, and they are looking
at all this evidence and they are saying, we think
(05:35):
Letitia James broke the law. I will say this, it's
another one we got right. This is not a very
complicated case because everybody has to fill out these forms.
And if you are a lawyer and you are in
charge of enforcing the law in one of the biggest
states in the country, I think a lot of people
(05:55):
out there do not give you the benefit of the doubt.
If there are parts of the mortgage application that are wrong,
that are favorable to you. This is not your average
guy or gal out there who's running through a mortgage
form as fast as they can. When you pass a
bar exam and when you are charged with enforcing the
(06:16):
law for again, one of the biggest states in the country,
I think that you have a higher standard of expecting
to understand what you are filling out when it comes
to mortgages. And so I think that she's in a
tough spot. And of course this is a delicious irony,
as it were, because she went after Trump for alleged
(06:37):
fraud when it came to the loan proceedings that he
was able to get relating to his assets and the
loans that he had repaid. And so this is based
on a property that she owns in Virginia that evidently
she has lied about what it's being used for.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Well, yeah, she said that she had two primary residences,
and the word primary is a problem for her there.
Everybody knows what that means. You can't have to i'mary
residences and clay beyond that. So there's the facts of
this which are very straightforward. And I'm sorry, but if
you're the Attorney General of New York to Clay's point,
you should understand the law really better than anybody and
(07:15):
should be held to a standard that you've held everyday
Americans to.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's a very straightforward question.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Have people gone to prison for mortgage fraud like this
in New York State with Tiss James overseeing the prosecutorial
offices that do this because it's all federal The answers yes.
So if somebody can go to prison for this, she
can go to prison for this. And people might.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Say, oh, that's harsh. Well, to that, I say, it
is harsh.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
But either the elites and that includes prosecutors, live under
the laws they use against us, or.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
We are in a tyranny, my friends. The law either
applies to everyone or should apply to no one. And
by the way, here she is, this is cut fourteen. Yeah,
making that very point, Clay, play it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
The president of these United States is not above the laws.
No matter how rich, powerful, or politically connected you are.
Everyone must play by the same rules. Please see him.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
For us, she said, everyone has to played by the
same rules. Looks like she broke the rules according to
this grand jury. She certainly did, I mean, Clay. Also,
if she didn't do this, this wouldn't be where it is.
This is a very straightforward crime. This is in fact
the crime that they try to get the corrupt congressman
(08:31):
in the show The Wire On and they and they
call it at that time the quote headshot because you
can go away for years based.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
On mortgage fraud.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, she's facing up to thirty years in prison now again.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Which is insane, Which is insane, and we can all,
by the way, we can all agree that's insane. But
change the laws, everybody. These some of these federal laws
are absurd. It should only be you know, multiple counts, accounts, systemic,
essentially a Rico situation, like if you did this fifty times, okay, yeah,
you should face maybe thirty years. I know she'll only
probably get if she's found guilty six months or something.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But again, James Comy, we're seeing a pattern here.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Comey sent Martha Stewart to prison for a little fib
that didn't matter.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Comy told a little fib too.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Guess what more significantly too, I don't know how she
remains the New York Attorney General. If you are the
chief law enforcement officer of a state and you are
facing felony charges, I don't understand how you remain in
that position. And she's benefited because she's in a blue state.
(09:36):
But there have been disbarment proceedings brought against Trump related
officials who have law degrees for far less than felony
mortgage charges. So my question would be for everybody out
there listening on wor and all over the state of
New York, and this would be a question that I
think Kathy Hokele should have to answer. How can you
(09:57):
have a chief law enforcement office of the State of
New York who is under federal indictment for mortgage fraud
executing the executing the office of New York Attorney General.
Because look, Buck, she's prosecuting people right now for the
crime that she has been indicted for in Virginia. That
(10:20):
feels to me to be untenable. I think she's going
to have to step down, And I'm surprised that more
people aren't already raising this as an issue, because again,
when you are the chief law enforcement official of a
state and you are facing felony charges, how in the
world can you be expected to be a fair and
(10:41):
impartial ruler of the law when you're prosecuting people for
felony charges? That you yourself face.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
That seems like a tough putt to say, it's a
huge problem, a huge problem, and there's more irony here,
because there's a lot of irony in this whole situation.
Remember she brought effectively mortgage fraud charges against now civilly.
But to bankrupt hundreds of million of dollars worth of
is to bankrupt the Trump organization, even though the banks
involved them said it was great, we would do it again.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
There was no problem here. What are you taught?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And her valuations for properties were absurd. I mean to
say that mar A Lago is worth sixteen million dollars
or something. This is this is truly bonkers. Nobody would
ever say that. But beyond that, Clay she's gonna I
mentioned Clay Davis, who's actually the guy, a different Clay,
the guy from the wire who is prosecuted for mortgage fraud.
(11:30):
That's how they get the politician and what he's he do.
He appeals to the jury on sort of purely emotional
political grounds. He really goes for jury nullification. Here is
Leticia James. This is just a quick one. This cut fifteen.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
She told everybody she was going after Trump for political
reasons play it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
It's important that everyone understand that the days of Donald
Trump are coming to an end.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Prosecutors should not be saying things like that, Okay, correct,
especially when they're bringing active charges against somebody. She played
with fire, but now she's seeing that can go both ways.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No doubt, And again I would love team see if
there's been any questioning. Of course, there probably hasn't because
the New York media is mostly left wing, but I'm
surprised there hasn't been more discussion about how Letitia James
can stay in office given that she has felony charges
against her. I mean, judges would typically have to recuse
(12:24):
themselves from any sort of judicial proceeding if they were
facing felony charges. How can Leticia James stay in the
office of New York AG. Now, the answer is politically,
this might actually be good for right because it elevates
her profile and in the left, if you're fighting Trump.
I was laughing when Trump said, hey, we should arrest JB.
Pritzker that Gavin Newsom has to be so mad.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, Gavin.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Newsom's like, why won't he say he has to arrest me?
You know, like Gavin Newsom is probably throwing his wineglass
against the wall when he saw that JB. Pritzker and
Brandon Johnson are getting threatened with arrest over ice and
not him. But in all honesty, I'm gonna you know,
I'll tweet this out, but I haven't seen anybody asking
that question. It feels like a no brainer that she
would have to immediately step down as New York Attorney General.
(13:10):
You can't prosecute cases that are similar to the ones
that you are facing from a fellow. Here's where my
guest claim.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I have to look at the New York state laws
about this, But my guess is that, like a judge
recusing himself for herself, there's some degree of it's like
up to the person unless they get maybe pressured from
the legislature in New York State that hey, look, you
either can step aside or will remove you. And I
(13:40):
just think that she'll be able to Again, I'm totally
spitballing here, but my sense is she will be able
to rely on the anti Trump lunacy of any Democrats.
Of Course, the New York State Assembly is Democrat and
the governor is a Democrat, so there won't be pressure
on her. I think from her own party in New
York State.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Two step aside.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So unless there's clear, you know, written out law that
you must, which I don't think there is, or we
would have already heard about it, she'll be able to
ride this out in office until the actual trial happens.
That's my Do you agree with that or you see
that going a different way?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't. I mean, I'm I'm working through in my
head the legal ethics morass, for lack of a better
way to describe it, on who lawyers can represent is
enough to make your eyeballs roll back into your head.
The conflicts and the withdrawals and the mandatory aspects of things.
But do you think she stays in office or not?
(14:38):
I think that she has to. I'm gonna send this
sweet out, but I think she has to step down.
I don't, Well, I understand she'll it. And again this
is political versus legal, which is too different from like
we told.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
So that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
There's probably a good faith, Oh you should recuse yourself
in the in the ethics you know they're written.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I fix about the attorney genteral for New York. But
my guess is it's not an automatic And if it's
not an automatic. Then it relies on pressure from other
Democrats who can I'm sure you know she could be
fired by the governor, she could be removed from office.
I'm sure by the state legislature. There's processes in place
usually for things like that. Clay, I don't think they're
gonna do that. I think they're gonna let her fight
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this thing out and see how it goes with a jury.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
That's my guess. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
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Speaker 1 (17:22):
You welcome back in m Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.
Appreciate all of you. We are joined now by the
current Attorney General of Virginia, Jason Miarez, who is right
now in the midst of a very close race against
the Jay Jones, who is the Democrat nominee. We were
(17:43):
just playing a lot of cuts from the governor's debate
last night, Jason, which I'm assuming that you watched in full,
and for people out there who have not heard, I
jotted down a lot of the awful things that Jay
Jones said and we'll run through them. But can you
believe that he's still running for the office of Attorney
general based on the stories that are out there right
(18:05):
now about calling for someone's kids who was the Virginia
Speaker of the House to die, to send them a
message saying they're being raised as fascits. I mean, it's
truly vile and reprehensible, and I was kind of stunned
that anybody would say it, much less somebody who's running
to be the chief law enforcement officer of a state.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Yeah, I mean I gotta admit, as Attorney general, your job,
your number one job is to stop violence. I can't
imagine someone running for this position as advocated for it.
And you know, part of why this has been so
surreal for me is I previously part of being Attorney General,
I served in the General Assembly in Virginia with Jay
(18:46):
and Todd Todd. Gilbert Todd is a personal friend of mine.
In fact, during session me him and another legislators will
get an airbnb. He was my roommate during session. He's
a personal friend. I know Jennifer, so did Jay Jones.
I mean, Jennifer Gilbert would come to the Assembly. Jennifer
Gilbert would bring her children. You would see them running
(19:07):
down the hall or on the house floor. So this
wasn't some hypothetical. Part of what makes this so startling
to me was the fact that at.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
The ages of Todd's children when he sent these text messages.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
Was they were two and five years old. And I
gotta tell you when this first broke, you know, my
team was all that you've got to get a statement out,
and I said, just stop. I need some time to
process this because just imagine this politics aside. Imagine somebody
saying this about a friend of yours and their family.
Imagine how you would feel. And so the idea that
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he would say this about someone he knows, someone he's
worked with, children that he has met, I think has
just made this at a different level that has just
astonished me. And you know that it seems like you
are seeing a few Democrats outside of Virginia that clearly
indicated they can't vote for him. But as far as
(20:04):
right now, the political class in Virginia right now is
saying these are horrible texts. He needs to be held accountable,
but they don't say what accountability looks like. I think
Virginia voters are gonna hold him accountable for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Well, mister me, attorney general, we are as I got
to ask the moment where on the debate stage, and
we played it for this audience just a few minutes ago,
where the Lieutenant governor asked, uhl Abigail Spanberger, if she
still endorses Jay Jones for attorney general? How can you
(20:39):
have somebody who is hoping to be governor who can't
even say that the attorney general from her part, the
would be attorney general from her party, has her full
endorsement it just seems like this is a should be
a non starter.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, it's clear, it's clear that's where we are now.
And just to remind people that uh Abigail Stamberger had
asked for Ralph Northam's resignation as governor of the previous
governor over a thirty year old yearbook photo.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
But to your.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Point, I mean, I think this should be a question
asked of every elected Democrat or even elected official in
either side of island Virginia. If someone was applying for
a job to work in your office and it came
out during their vetting that they had sent these that
expressed these sentiments and had actually wished or as they hoped,
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a two to five year old child would die in
their mother's arm, would you still hire them? Well, then
extra question to answers knows, then why would you vote
to elevate this person to be literally the top prosecutor
in the entire Commonwealth of Virginia. And it just shows
and just for your listeners realized the background. What set
Jay Jones on this path is he was very upset
(21:52):
that Todd Gilbert had said nice words in memory of
a moderate Democrat that served in the Assembly that had
passed away. He was angry that Todd was saying something
nice about a member of his own party, and his
response was that he wanted to be able to pit
on the graves of his political opponents. I mean, think
(22:12):
about that where you're coming from and for your listeners.
You know, I keep a sign of my office in Richmond.
It's one of my favorite quotes from Thomas Jefferson, and
it is this. I have never found the difference of
opinion in politics, philosophy, or religion to be cause to
withdrawal from a friend. It's just a reminder for me
in my job that I may disagree with you politically,
(22:35):
I'm not going to draw my friendship for you. I
had met with victims. I had never once asked the
victim of a crime whether they ever voted for me.
What part of the are I don't care. My job
is to be the people's protector of everyone. That's such
a different mindset of someone who says I would like
to see a you know, my political opponents have two
built bullets.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
In their head. And when he's texted by his.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Colleague Jay, you're literally saying you're hoping that Jennifer Gilbert's
children die in her arms. Your responses, yes, because it
is only through change the pain, through pain, the change occurs. Well,
that is a that is an incredibly dark worldview to
think that you have to inflict pain on individuals to
somehow achieve a political objective. That is a that you know,
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we we have some chapters in our history obviously as
our country, but we settle a long time ago.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
We don't.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
We don't settle our differences with bullets. We settlement the
ballot box. And that's the sign of a vibrant democracy.
And so it's a I do think this, this election
now in Virginian is not about right versus left. It's
about right versus wrong. It's about a basic standard of decency.
And candidly, it's just nationwide, what is the signal, uh
(23:50):
that can you say anything you want about your opposition,
even even saying you help violence against their family, and
they're not be a political price. And I think I
trust Virginians are going to get it right. But I
think the stake's here for the larger nation is a
sobering one.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Let me hit you with some of those quotes you
mentioned them at a little bit. I am reading from
the New York Times, which actually managed to cover it today.
At one point, Jay Jones, as you said, remarked that
he would quote piss on the graves of Republican delegates
when they died. He went on to say that if
he had two bullets in a gun and his choice
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was to shoot Adolph Hitler, the former Cambodian dictator Polpot
or Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert, a Republican, that he
would shoot mister Gilbert twice, and he said, spoiler, put
Gilbert and the crew with the two worst people you know,
and he receives both bullets every time. He also said
(24:51):
that he hoped that Jennifer Gilbert's children would die, and
he didn't back down. He said, yes, I've told you
this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they
move on policies. He then said, I mean, do I
think Todd who was the Speaker of the House, and
Jennifer his wife are evil and that they're breeding little
(25:14):
fascist Yes, I mean this is vile, vile things that
Jay Jones is saying. So are you surprised? You mentioned
that there are some Democrats out of the state that
are saying even Kentucky Governor Andy Basheer said, yeah, I
would have trouble voting for Jay Jones. He's the Democrat
governor of Kentucky. Are you surprised that Virginians in the
(25:37):
Democrat Party so far are staying rock ribbed behind Jay
Jones given what he did? Would we know that?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
He said, yeah, I mean I am surprised.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
I'm Kim William very surprised. But I do think that
there has been a disconnect between the leadership and where
everyday Virginians are. Obviously, it's something I am hearing about
constantly when I am out talking to individuals. But think
about this as well. What this also tells me that
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about my opponent is that he's never actually met with
real mothers that have actually lost.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Their children's to violence. I have.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I have met the mom's of murdered victims, and I
can tell you that right now, there is no cry
like the cry of a mother that has lost her child.
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 7 (26:29):
It is.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
It is soul searing, and once you've actually experienced that,
you can't even imagine that on your on anybody, you know,
even if they're your political enemy.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
But it just shows that he is as he's not.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Prepared, he's obviously reckless with his judgment, and he has
a worldview that is completely incompatible with this office, period.
And don't forget it also has come out that he
apparently told another colleague that as far as police violence,
that he said, if you could get rid of qualified
(27:06):
immunity to sue police personally, and maybe if some cops died,
and actually they would change their behavior. And so you've
seen the Fraternal Order Police and a host of other
law enforcement organizations also have come out. You had a
group of sheriffs and commonwealth attorneys in Virginia say that
he should not stay in the race. So you've seen
law enforcement has come out quite forcibly saying we don't
(27:29):
want him to be the top prosecutor in the states, period.
And so you have seen, I think of, not surprisingly,
an enormous amount of courage from our law enforcement heroes
that have come out quite fortunately, a lot of which
are apolitical. The Virginia State Police Association, which normally rarely
ever delves into anything slightly political, has come out quite
(27:49):
forcilly about these remarks. Because the hardest thing for me
is attending to the end of watch funerals for officers
that have died in a line of duty. That is
by far the most difficult moment that you ever have
as a public official. You realize it's the hardest job
in America, and you just sit back and you think,
I can't imagine not that I think we'd ever attend,
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but somebody who actually has wished, because when you talk
to these family members and then they talk about the
job and the burden of the badge and what it
means to carry the shield every day. And earlier this year,
I attended the End of Watch with offser Cameron gerbin
Ostar Christopher Reef. They died February twenty second of this year,
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two officers in Virginia Beach gunned down in the line
of duty. You know, you talk to those famili you know,
Cameron left behind the wife who had just found out
she was pregnant with a baby girl. I mean, you
get those stories. You meet these law enforcement guardians and
you realize what Jay Jones has said, this worldview of
violence that gets individuals to advance agendas. So outside of
(28:54):
the normal frameworks, I think he's disqualified himself from the job.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Pretty gentlemen, are as could you just tell everybody with
the couple of minutes we have left. What have you
done as attorney general that has had real impact that
you're proud of, that has shown the kind of law
enforcement focus in there. I love Virginia. It's a state
that it's like a top five in terms of time
spent state. For me, I would say, so, I have
family in Charlottesville. I'm very, very fond of Virginia. Tell
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everybody what you've been doing in your state.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Yeah, well, listen.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
When I came in the office, the Virginia had a murderated,
a twenty year high, violent crime rated a thirty year high,
the high level of addiction desk ever recorded. And I
had this novel Idea Clay. I said, I'm going to
work with law enforcement, not work against them. We also
saw that we had unacceptable violence. Our murder rate was
driven by violence in certain areas of the state, certain
(29:45):
of our localities. We saw the five percent of felons
were committing over fifty percent of the violent felonies. So
we went after these repeat violent offenders by a way,
a lot of which are in the narcotics trade city
of Brono. Cologone, for example, is zero point one to
two percent of population of the City of Roanoke. That's
one fifth of one percent. We're committing over thirty percent
of the homicide. So we went after the small subset
(30:08):
of repeat violent offenders. We investigated them, we indicted, we
in prosecuted them, and the murder rates dropped dramatically. City
of Roanoke sixty two percent drop in our murder rate.
We've had a double digit cross drop in our violent
frank crime rate our seafire cities. This huge reduction more
people are alive today. We prosecuted and got enough vetanyl
off the streets that would have killed seven million Virginians.
(30:29):
Record settlements against some of the opioid manufacturers that has
gone to treatments. So Virginia is not top ten, we're
not top five. We are now the number one state
in the entire country. And they overall dropping of addiction
death from this record high addiction desk to this number
one in the country and the drop, huge dropping reduction
or a violent crime. I say, as Attorney General and
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the people's protector, I protect all Virginians, whether they're Republican,
Democrat or Independence. We're proud of that record. I've said
Virginian safety has been my mission from day one. What
I'm asking Virginians to rehire me to continue to do
that good work, and definitely don't hire somebody to be
the top prosecutor who a has never been a prosecutor
again his life. B has a legislative voting record of
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voting against police and against victims, and c literally is
advocated for violence against his political opponents and said he
hopes to see their children die. He's simply unfit and
disqualified to this office.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Turning, gentlemen, Arez appreciate what you've done, sir, and we
know our audience is going to get out there in
your state, those who are listening who live there and
help you pull this one over the finish line.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Thanks so much.
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With you, absolutely all right.
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All right, third hour of play in book, last hour
before the weekend and gets going, which is so accepting.
And let's just bring up to speed all the latest
news here. Let's dive into it, shall we. First of all,
the government shutdown is still a thing. The government is
still shut down. And Speaker Johnson, who play while you
(33:16):
were out, he actually called into the show. So we
spoke to the Speaker of a House about this issue.
But he just weighed in earlier today and his take
is that Democrats know they're going to have to cave,
but first they have to go through the theatrics of
perhaps some rallies over this weekend.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Here is the Speaker of the House cut thirty hit it.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
We're so angry about it. I mean, you know, I'm
a very patient guy, but I have had it with
these people. They're playing games with real people's lives. The
theory we have right now. They have a Hate America
rally that's scheduled for October eighteenth on the National Mall.
It's all the pro Hamas wing and the you know,
the Antifa people. They're all coming out. Some of the
(34:00):
House Democrats are selling T shirts for the event. And
it's being told to us that they won't be able
to reopen the government until after that rally because they
can't face their rabid base. I mean, this is serious business.
Hurting real people, and I just I'm beyond words. I
can't believe they're actually doing.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
This, Democrats putting the politics of the moment ahead of
real people's interests.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Clay not a surprise here at all.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
And I think this is the first shutdown I can
remember where Democrats are getting rarely the blame from a
majority of Americans.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't think most Americans feel impacted by the shutdown
at all. I mean, the Trump Middle East peace agreement
and him traveling to the Middle East is going to
take over all of the news through the weekend. The
release of the hostages, hopefully, which will occur after two
years on Monday, will be an unbelievable moment in the
(34:58):
Middle East. Even for Trump detractors, that will be an
event that is very difficult not to imagine it leading
news all through Monday. I just I feel like Democrats
are in a tough spot and the reality is it
seems like Trump's kind of calling their bluff and saying, Okay,
We're going to start laying off primarily Democrat workers, and
(35:21):
they cause this, and they don't really seem to have
a way to fix it, and I just think it's
going to drag on for a long time until some
of these senators in swing states Michigan, New Hampshire, Georgia, Arizona,
until they start looking around and recognizing that their constituents
(35:43):
are not pleased over their decision making. Remember, there's nothing
going on here. This is unprecedented because the continuing resolution
would just continue to spend money as has already occurred.
And I just think they're in a really tough position.
I don't know how they get themselves out of this mess.
And I think the only reason Chuck Schumer let it
(36:04):
happen is because he's terrified of AOC and I think
Hakeem Jefferies is terrified over one of the mom Donnie
guys who evidently is going to challenge him in his seat.
And I think radical left wing ideas have taken root,
because remember, the leader of the House is a New Yorker,
(36:24):
the leader of the Senate for Democrats is a New Yorker,
and the left in New York City has lost its mind.
They're going to elect a socialist, a communists, it appears,
and that has taken over the entire Democrat Party. So
I think this is actually just a local political preservation
move that Hakeem Jefferies and Schumer are engaged in.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Meanwhile, speaking of the radical left, Clay, the White House
puts out this on X Make no mistake. ANTIPHA is
a radical terrorist organization that explicitly calls for the overthrow
of the US government, law enforcement, and our system of law.
Under the Trump administration, Antifa's days are over, but noted
extremism expert Jimmy Kimmel, who still has a TV show, Everybody,
(37:14):
I guess the.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
First amendments not dead? Oh my gosh, Jimmy Kimmel was
off the air for two days.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Here's Jimmy or was it three days? Whatever it was,
here's Jimmy Kimmel four days. To be fair, I think
I don't want MSNBC fact checking you on your lack
of commitment to the truth and decency.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Thank you, Clay's Clay's always got my back. Jimmy Kimmel
lying to his audience about Antifa. This is twenty four
hit it.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
You understand, there's no Antifa. This is an entirely imaginary organization.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
There is not in Antifa.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
This is no different than if they announced they rounded
up a dozen decepticons. We've captured the super Cobra.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Everyone, Clay, I've read books about Antifa, I've seen Antifa personally.
I've never seen the Chupacabra though, so I think that
Jimmy's analysis here needs a little bit of work.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, he's wrong, And I've seen Antifa too. I remember
when Antifa really kind of got its start. Remember all
the World Bank protests that they used to have. I
don't think they care about the World Bank anymore. But
my recollection is this is where all of the crazy
people became crazy for the first time, was related to
the IMF. Do you remember that when they decided the
(38:28):
IMF was uniquely evil? And I haven't heard about the
IMF in a very, very long time, but when I
was in college, the IMF is right next to George
Washington University, and they basically rioted in nineteen ninety nine
or two thousand or whatever it was. I remember walking
through campus and all these Antifa lunatics running around with
(38:49):
spray paint cans and throwing throwing Molotov cocktail a little
bit like it wasn't as if it was the same
level that we saw during the BLM protest, but lots
of graffiti, lots of the spray lighting things on fire.
Remember that back in the day when people used to
have I don't know what it was, but they would
spray something and they'd have a lighter and it would
(39:10):
kind of turn into a blow torch or whatever. Yeah,
a lot of that going on. And yeah, so I
don't understand the argument being this thing that you're seeing
happen is not real. This is the typical way this goes, Right,
they say that's not happening. Then they say, Okay, it happens,
but not very often. Then they go to, yeah, it's
(39:33):
happening and it's a good thing. So at some point
they're going to come back around to yes, Antifa exists,
but they're not very impactful, and eventually we're all going
to be told, yes Antifa exists. Then they have to
exist because otherwise who would stand up to fascism? And
that's kind of the treadmill that we're on when it
comes to the way we talk about left wing violence
(39:53):
in the country. Buck did we even talk about this?
Apologies if we didn't, But it may have been earlier
this week, you may have been everybody just totally basically
stopped talking about a guy who had two hundred explosive
devices and showed up outside of a church where the
Republican the Republican appointed and confirmed Supreme Court justices tend
(40:15):
to go worship, and he wanted to kill as many
people as he could. Thankfully, they caught him two hundred
incendiary devices in his car. Though that seems like kind
of a big deal.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It just totally plays that story.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Before we know whether he should spend the rest of
his life in prison or not, we have to know
does he identify as trans? Yeah, that's important because if
you identify as trans, you get a very light sentence,
even if you're planning a political assassination. That was just
established based on the guy who said he wanted to
kill Brett Kavanaugh. Because now he says he's trends. It's like, whoa, WHOA.
(40:47):
Hold on a second, I didn't know he was trans.
We can't put him in prison that long, and we're
gonna put him in a women's prison. That's what they're
trying to do. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I guess if you had to get sent to prison,
like if I have faced multiple years in prison, I'm
gonna say I'm a chick too. It's probably a lot
safer in a girl's prison than it is a guy's prison.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
In my crazy much better deal for a guy.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
To be in a woman's prison, and a I would assume,
I would assume I don't have experience. I feel I
feel like I'm gonna be safer in the showers, let's
put it that way, than I would in the men's prison.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
So I do.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'm not even necessarily surprised by the decision, But I mean,
in all seriousness, we just keep stacking all of these
left wing wounds one after the other, and they happen
so frequently that the stories vanish and they have no
residence whatsoever. And it just reminds me of.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
The Jan six.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
You know, Jan six happens and they talk about it
four years and they refuse to allow it to vanish. Meanwhile,
there's an assassin outside of Brett Kavanaugh's house who is
trying to kill him to ensure.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That Roe V.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Wade is not overturned. We still don't know who the
leaker was. Worth mentioning that set all of this in order,
and was designed to set this in order right, that
basically drew the big target on the on the Supreme
Court justices because it was until the yes, it was
inciting terrorism, it was inciting releasing that decision was meant
(42:10):
to incite violence and perhaps an assassination of a Supreme
Court justice to stop that decision because Democrats told, I
feel as many babies as they want with no one
stopping them until the opinion is published. It is not law.
So that was an unprecedented leak which never occurs. And
there's only fifty people probably that had significant access to
(42:34):
that opinion, and basically everybody just threw up their hands
and said, well, we'll never know. But that was the
impetus under which Brett Kavanaugh's assassination was attempted.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Jimmy Kimmel not finished, by the way, with his statements
about politics lately. Here he is, remember he got in
trouble because he said that Charlie Kirk's assassin was a
MAGA guy, which was a lie. It was preposterous. Now
Here he is saying that he didn't say anything wrong.
It was the way that people pounced on what he
(43:08):
said played twenty five.
Speaker 11 (43:09):
I didn't think there was a big problem, I you know,
I just saw it as distortion on the part of
some of the right wing media networks, and I was
I aimed to correct it.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
I have problems like all the time.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
And it's kind of funny because sometimes you think, oh,
this is not a problem, and then it turns into
a big problem. And then sometimes it goes the other
way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna
be a problem nobody really notices.
Speaker 7 (43:34):
And so what point did you realize this was a problem.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
I think when they pulled the show off the air, well,
that's unusual. He felt like their initial comments had been mischaracterized.
I didn't feel like it was anywhere it was intentionally
and I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
How is someone mischaracterizing his words when what he's said
was clearly false and malicious? That this is This is
where I wish somebody would ask, like, explain how that's
a mischaracter You said something that was clearly untrue and
you didn't it wasn't part of a joke. By the way,
(44:14):
that's also a lie. He wasn't making a joke. He
was making a political statement. So now I don't know
what the answer is. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
there is one.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean, look, I would just say we talk live
every single day, and so far, to my knowledge, we
haven't really had to apologize for anything. Now we get
facts wrong unintentionally, we come back and we say, hey,
we saw that, we said this, but we never apologized
for an actual opinion. I don't think there was a mischaracterization. Now,
(44:46):
I do agree with him. That was I thought actually
kind of funny. When they took the show off. That's
when you know it's a bad thing. This is why
I'm anti cancel culture. Many of you who listened to
Rush know this. Uh, they will not stop coming after
us no matter what. They came after Rush with everything
they had, and I don't think that they're suddenly going
(45:09):
to say, oh they're coming for us too, we're gonna
change it. I think this is where you stand on principle.
I understand some people disagree and say, hey, live radio,
live television, whatever it is, this shouldn't be a cancel
culture at all. And I said that for Roseanne, I
said that for for Gina Carano. I think that if
(45:30):
you're in creative space, any comedian out there, you're sometimes
going to speak inarticulately and sometimes you're gonna say moronic things.
And I think as long as you are doing your
best to to to try to be creative in the space.
I don't think we should try to cancel people. But
the words weren't mischaracterized, they were poorly said, and they
(45:52):
were they were rightly condemned. I think by I saw
that he lied or either rather or he said something
false because he's a moron. But either way it's a
bad thing to say. Living on blue sky, the amount
of left wingers who do not know basic truths now
and this is why I talk about the cognitive dissonance.
(46:13):
You've been told Trump's Hitler, and now he's on the
cover of Jerusalem Today or whatever it is, and is
going to bring back all the terrorists. I mean, at
some point, the alarm bell should start going off in
your head. Hey wait a minute, maybe the things that
I've been told by the media I follow are not true.
And I'm cautiously optimistic. Buck if you look, for instance,
at what's going on with the Washington Post, that people
(46:35):
like Jeff Bezos are starting to get fed up with things,
and there is a cultural shift that is significant even
in left wing publications. Fingers crossed, you have more faith
than I do. I'm an opmorph. This is true, you're
an optimist.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I'm surly all right.
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Speaker 1 (48:12):
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Speaker 3 (48:27):
Back in everybody. We're joined by Jackcarr.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He is a former Navy seal turned bestselling author of
the Terminal List book series and The Streaming Show, which
is an excellent show. Highly highly recommend the books and
the show. Usually, Jack, you know you don't get both
to be great, Like you can write great books, but
they don't do a great show. You are in very
rarefied air my friend as somebody who has both great
(48:51):
books and great show.
Speaker 7 (48:54):
Thank you, Thank you so much. Yeah, both went to
the number one on Prime Video, which is not that
and the first one that in twenty twenty two summer
of twenty twenty two hops back into that top five,
which is unusual as well, so after so many years,
so that was pretty pretty cool. We'll find out in
the next couple of weeks if we get a second
season of Dark Wolf. It's looking good though. Everybody wants
(49:14):
to do it, so we shall see. And then we
just finished film and True Believer of the second book
over in Morocco and finished up. There been fild me
that since February in South Africa, Morocco and Toronto, and
that should come out next summer. So there's a lot
in the works.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
I really appreciate you know, when you're in the first episode,
the first episode of Dark Wolf, which obviously I saw recently,
it to me there's so much really good content that
could be done about that Gwatt era and special operations,
but really very few people have done it or certainly
done it well, and I think you just nailed it
(49:49):
in the opening episode of Dark Wolf.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I'm also a tailor. Kitch and.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Pratt are like two of my favorite actors, so how
did you manage did you get to p were you like,
you know what, I just want these two awesome guys
to be playing important roles in my series.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Well, Chris optioned out of the gate. He's the only
person I wanted to option it and play the character
of James Reees. So he was he was my pick
and set from the beginning, and then the first season
I wasn't involved in the casting process. I was involved
in it for the second season and for Dark Wolf,
but first season I wasn't. So it was a not
a surprise, but I guess a surprise in the fact
(50:25):
that I didn't pick him. I didn't pick anybody because
I wasn't involved. But they said Taylor Kitsch is playing
Ben Edwards, and I said, oh my gosh, that is
the best pick.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
You got Riggins to play a Navy series.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
Fck even recognizes the start from Friday Night Lights. Yeah, Jack,
And so that's an incredible combo. What is it like
to balance writing obligations with making television show obligations Because
I imagine you're on the road all the time, you're
promoting the book, the books all the time, but you
(50:57):
have to continue to produce new books. How do you
balance it all out? Do you have a set, regimented schedule.
There's a lot of people out there in creative space,
I bet that are curious how you balance all of that.
Speaker 7 (51:09):
Yes, well, balance is a bit of a misnomer. I
hope to get to some balance one day. But there's
a reason we're talking here in October and not in
June when the book was supposed to come out, and
that is because I was juggling so much with both
the TV show, two TV shows, essentially Dark Wolf and
True Believer, and writing this book that I thought was
going to be the most efficiently written book yet, meaning
(51:31):
I thought I had a good understanding of Vietnam, lessons
learned from Vietnam, the sixties, overall the feel of that
period of time. And then I dove into the research
for this book Cry Havocs, and I'm on book tour
four right now, and I realized I'd really just scratched
the surface because every sentence in this book has to
be written through the lens of nineteen sixty eight. I
didn't want to have fifty plus years of hindsight applied
(51:54):
to any character's perspective on an event, a situation, or
part of a conversation. So that took a lot longer
than research for a contemporary thriller. And that's why we're
here in October. Point being the balance thing is something
I am still working on. Every morning I get up
and it's like being shot out of the cannon with kids, wife,
dog and all the rest of it. So it's just
(52:15):
mass chaos. But I feel extremely fortunate to be working
on multiple Hollywood projects, multiple books, and to have Cry
Havoc out there, which I think is my best book yet.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Ooh, let's saying something.
Speaker 7 (52:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
And you know, my father in law is a huge fan,
huge fan of the series.
Speaker 7 (52:29):
I know, I think I said it one. I didn't
ad directed by that.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
No, I think you did. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
And he reads it like within you know, days of
getting it, so he's always very up to speed on it.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
I want to ask you.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
The one thing that we get here a lot, especially
when I see people in person, Jack, is they'll say,
you know, I'm thinking about doing a podcast, like I
do you have any advice, and I'll you know, and
we really do a radio show that's also a podcast.
But I just say, yeah, here's my advice, do it
and just start doing it, and just do a lot,
and then go What if someone comes up to you
and says, you know, hey, man, like you you really,
(53:07):
you know, you're the Tom Clancy of our era, Like
you've become this huge phenomenon, so much success in writing.
How do I start to write a fiction book? In
the most general terms, what do you say to them?
Speaker 7 (53:19):
I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,
don't worry about Do I need to find an agent?
Do I need to find a publisher? How does that happen?
Do I need a social media presence? Do I need
to build that up in order to sell books? I
need to get a website going? You when need to start? No,
all of that bandwidth is now bandwidth that is not
going into making that product, in this case, a book,
the best that it can possibly be. So focus those
(53:41):
efforts on making this book the best it can possibly be.
And then once it's done, or you get it to
a place where you think, hey, if I worked on
this for the next five to ten years, it would
get better, but it would get better by a degree
or two. And when you're at that stage, then it's
time to start thinking about those other things, thinking about
having to find an agent and a publisher and all
the rest of it. But the first thing you have
to do is.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
Have that product that I got one follow up question
for you, Jack, and sorry, I may or may not
be taking notes here, because I think writing a fiction
book would be fun. Do you structure the whole thing
out or do you start writing based on the story
you want to tell and then create structure after you've
gotten a chapter out or something.
Speaker 7 (54:21):
Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,
and it's not based on anything that I read or
anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.
And I come up with the title and a theme
for every book. And I've come up with a title
even if it's going to change, so I'm not wasting
bandwidth worried about coming up with a good title. So
I do that I have a theme that's going to
guide the writing process. In the case of the first book,
(54:41):
it was Revenge without Constraint, and I had that on
a little yellow sticky on my computer as I typed away,
just to keep me on track. Then I read a
one page executive summary and I read it, and I say,
is this worth the next year to the year and
a half of my life? And if the answer is yes,
I read it again and I say, if someone was
to walk by a Hudson News at the airport and
pull this book off the show and read something similar
to this that describes the book, would they be willing
(55:03):
to invest time in this story that they're never going
to get back? And if the answer is yes or
most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.
And I take that one page executive summary, turn that
into the outline so I know where I'm going. So
I have that beginning of that middle of that end,
a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,
and I at least have a destination. And if there's
some things in that outline where I'm like, ah, hell,
(55:24):
are you ever going to get out of this situation?
Or well, I know I have a year to figure
it out. This isn't the battlefield in a rack at
Afghanistan where I have to make a split second decision
that's going to affect people to my right and left
forever and their families. Now I have time I can
sleep on or I can wake up. I can edit
and in a year, I am confident that I'm creative
enough that I can figure this out. So get that
to that stage, and then I turn that outline into
(55:45):
the narrative.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
We're talking to Jack Carr. Cry Havoc is the latest
and best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According
to Jack Carr himself, I love those answers, by the way,
and I would encourage people out there to take that
advice and pursue your own writing design. Let me ask
you this. The world is evolving and there's so much
crazy happening every day. You write out those plot points,
(56:09):
and do you ever think, boy, there's no way anything
like this could happen. And then there's a plot point
that is very similar to what you have thought about before.
And to your point, you spend a year writing, but
it can end up looking very timely. How much do
you pay attention to current events? Buck just came back
from Taiwan, for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You
(56:29):
probably haven't thought about a lot, but you know you
can kind of think of where the geopolitical flash points
might be. Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking
about it as you're writing, or are you trying to
divorce yourself from the current world in which you sit.
Speaker 7 (56:45):
I'm always, ever since a little kid, I'm always interested
in in Currens's current events, also history, the merging of
those two. What lessons we can draw from history and
apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.
But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something
from that headlines, or I need to project into the future.
It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on
(57:06):
around the world. That's just where my interests lie then,
but I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into
a story. Instead, I'm focused only on the story. And
if I'm only focused on this story without worrying about
the current event or a headline, or if I'm going
to upset somebody with if I say X, Y or
Z or hey, are short chapters better than the long chapters? Now,
(57:27):
I don't consider any of that. I just focus on
the story, and in doing so, I honor I think
the readership and the listenership now that is going to
spend time with me that they're never getting back, So
I focus on that. But things have happened that I've
written about that I didn't it looks like I'm projecting
something like the Russian invasian Ukraine, But that was not
a hard one. That was Zach came out in twenty nineteen.
(57:50):
That's the one we filmed True Believer that we just
finished up, and that storyline had to change a little
bit because the Russians actually did invade Ukraine. So there's
been that I talked about an AI a quantum computer
well before anyone had heard of chat GPT. There are
certain things like that that have come up in the novels.
October seventh, something similar to that I wrote about in
(58:11):
Israel not too long ago before it happened. So some
of these things look like I'm projecting I have a
crystal ball, but I certainly do not. They are just
they just happened to correspond with some current events. But
I do like to weave a lot of things that
are our topical into the storylines because at one day
people are going to go back maybe and read these
(58:32):
and it'll be like a time machine. It's me going
back and reading Hunt for Red October. Now, that's a
time machine in nineteen eighty four. And so I do
I am talking to some of that.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had.
Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,
if you had to pick one author would be the
biggest thing.
Speaker 7 (58:50):
You picked one because I read so many growing up
and they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.
It's David Morale, It's Nelson de Mill, It's JJ Quanelli's
JC Pollock, It's Mark Old and it's more. It's johny Caray,
It's Ian Fleming, It's Robert Ludlamits all of those masters
that I read from the eighties all the way through
the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell, who
created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood, kicked
(59:13):
off this book tour with me in Phoenix just a
few days ago. Such an honor to be on stage
with him. And all of those guys were so instrumental
during those very formative time in my life, let's say
for most of us age ten to twenty, and during
that time, I am reading all those masters, and they're
really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling. But
back then I didn't look at it that way. I
(59:34):
just looked at it as escaping into the magic of
those pages. But it created this foundation that I then
coupled with the academic study of warfare and my experiences
downrange in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring the
feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was involved with.
Speaker 2 (59:47):
All Right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,
You're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being
far too diplomatic and humble though, so I want to
put you on the hot seat with three best war
movies of all time, then to give you your author
number one. But the three best war movies for you
are what?
Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
All right, Band of Brothers, even though it's a series,
I think it's you know, keep that one to the side,
but it's a series. But that is certainly up there.
I was chefs actually right before we came on here,
I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen
and we were talking, oh wow, tune. Yeah. We're talking
about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now
when he was like nine or ten years old with
his dad, because my book is probably have like nineteen
(01:00:26):
seventy eight, and so we're talking about that and his
experiences on set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper and
Robert Duval and just just a fascinating conversation with him.
So I would say band of brothers. I would throw
a platoon in there, for sure. I love Uncommon Valor.
For those who have remember that one Apocalypse now long
Longest Day, those ones really stand out to me.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Last question for you, as we got break here, I've
got one here. Who is a guy or gal who
has read your book that you were blown away? Is
a fan? Has there been somebody that you met and
you just couldn't get over it, because, look, you come
from a background, you're busting your ass, you know, doing
what you do in the military before you end up
writing these books. Is there anybody that you were just
(01:01:12):
in disbelief was a reader or a big fan of
your work?
Speaker 7 (01:01:16):
It's yeah. David Morrell, who created Rambo. I can't believe
that he's He actually gave me a blurb when that
blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just that that one
blew me away because discovering him through Rambo First Blood
Part two, a novelization, which is a book based on
the screenplay In the Summer of Rambo in nineteen eighty five,
then going back and reading First Blood, then reading Brother
(01:01:36):
for the Rose fra Turning the Stone, League of Night
and Fogg, and then having him one of my heroes
in the literary realm, read my books and be a fan.
That's a little crazy. And then Charlie Sheen he was
a fan of the books before before he even came
on the podcast, and that was a little bit crazy too,
having grown up watching him in these movies, to include
Navy Seals, No very cool.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a
runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm
mid series right now for dark Wolf. Highly recommend it
to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always,
congrats on all your success. Come back and hang out
with us anytime.
Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.
Stay strong, it's important.
Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
We'll do. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
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