October 16, 2025 • 62 mins
Trump is Feelin' It
President Donald Trump’s high-stakes diplomacy, including his call with Vladimir Putin and efforts to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine. They analyze Trump’s strategy to pressure Russia by potentially supplying Ukraine with long-range weapons capable of striking inside Russian territory, and the economic leverage involving oil and gas markets. The conversation expands to Trump’s simultaneous trade showdown with China, highlighting looming 100% tariffs on Chinese goods and the global battle over rare earth minerals critical to modern technology.
The hosts explore whether Trump can realistically achieve a ceasefire in Ukraine, the risks of escalation—including nuclear threats—and the role of frozen Russian assets in Europe as a potential game-changer. They also touch on U.S. defense production challenges, noting America’s limited capacity to ramp up weapons manufacturing compared to Russia’s reserves, and how winter conditions in Ukraine could stall battlefield advances and open a window for negotiations.
Clean Up on Isle Amanpour
A sharp critique of CNN’s Christiane Amanpour after her controversial claim that Israeli hostages were “treated better than the average Gazan.” Clay and Buck play the original clip and her subsequent apology, arguing that her first statement reveals the media’s bias toward Hamas narratives. They dismantle myths of “genocide” and “starvation” in Gaza, underscore Hamas’s use of civilians as human shields, and stress the moral clarity of Israel’s position in the conflict.
The conversation pivots to major breaking news: President Donald Trump’s tweet summarizing his lengthy call with Vladimir Putin. Trump described the exchange as “very productive,” noting Putin congratulated him on Middle East peace efforts and agreed to high-level talks aimed at ending the Russia-Ukraine war. Clay and Buck analyze the geopolitical stakes, including Trump’s upcoming Oval Office meeting with President Zelensky, Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s role in negotiations, and Hungary as a potential summit location.
Mamdani is Wrong About Everything
New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani and his Fox News interview with Martha MacCallum. Clay and Buck critique Mamdani’s evasive answers on whether Hamas should disarm, comparing his rhetorical style to Abigail Spanberger’s non-answers. They warn that Mamdani’s progressive proposals—such as rent freezes and city-run grocery stores—reflect economic illiteracy that worsens housing affordability and cost-of-living crises. The hosts draw parallels to California’s regulatory failures and Canada’s housing costs, arguing government overreach drives prices higher.
Democrats Have Become a Slur
President Donald Trump’s multi-hour call with Vladimir Putin, which Trump says will lead to high-level advisor meetings and a future summit in Budapest aimed at ending the Russia-Ukraine war. Clay and Buck examine Trump’s diplomatic momentum following the Gaza peace deal and discuss whether his approach could reshape global negotiations.
The conversation shifts to domestic politics, spotlighting New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani and his Fox News interview with Martha MacCallum. Mamdani refused to credit Trump for the Gaza peace agreement, calling it “too early,” and offered vague answers on Hamas disarmament.
Clay and Buck critique Mamdani’s progressive agenda—tax hikes, rent freezes, and city-run grocery stores—arguing these policies would harm New York’s economy and worsen affordability. They also highlight Mamdani’s recent apology to police for past “defund” rhetoric, framing it as political damage control.
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Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are rolling
with all of you. Thursday edition of the program. I
have joined Buck in the Free State of Florida. I'm
in the northern part of Florida. He is in the
absolute most southern, nearly part of Florida. But we have
got the entire sides of the state covered. I'm on
the Panhandlebuck, and I know you talked about when you
(00:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
Audience in all of America. So this is fun.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm in Panama City Beach for the next couple of
days and we are monitoring a bunch of different stories
that are out there. President Trump is as we speak,
I believe, unless something has happened in the last couple
of minutes on a phone call with Vladimir Putin, Trump
is Buck. He's feeling it. You know, when you you
(01:38):
know you got the role going a little bit. Maybe
whatever your game is, table steaks, Hey, JB. Pritzker one
point four million dollars. We've had some fun with that
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The governor of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But you have that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Maybe you're on the crabs table and the roles are
going your direction. Maybe you've just hit blackjack against the
dealer and you got some money in your hocket. Maybe
you just hit on a few of our prize pick winners.
But President Trump is feeling it right now. He's got
the peace agreement in the Middle East and he now
(02:13):
is stepping up. He's got Zelensky coming into the White
House on Friday, and I think he's increasingly emboldened at
his hand, so to speak, and the string of victories
that he has put together. And I think he has
expectations that he's going to be able to find peace
in this Ukraine and Russia deal. And it's going to
(02:33):
be interesting to see what his negotiating lever is. We
got a bunch to get into, but right off the top, Buck,
it seems like right now Trump has decided that maybe
the way to get peace is to make Russia fear
if the war continues. Right now, there is no fear
if you look in the Middle East. I know a
lot of people disagreed with you and me, but we
(02:55):
were right the strike in Iran. Basically let everybody know, Okay,
there are consequences if we step outside the lines of
acceptable behavior, and right now there are no consequences for Russia.
Those consequences can be economic as it comes to oil
and gas, and Trump has tried to bring that to
bear on India, but it seems and I'm not sure
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he's officially going to do it, but it seems that
Trump has decided that giving Ukraine weapons that can reach
into Russia and directly attack Russia's ability to produce oil,
which is what is the money funding source that is
allowing this war to continue. That maybe Trump is at
least willing to threaten, if not actually willing to do it.
(03:41):
Does that kind of seem to be your read from
a negotiating standpoint in what exactly is at stake here
or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, and we should dive into some of the specifics here.
I would just add to it that there's also the
very high stakes negotiation with China going on on over
trade over tariffs, where on the first of January, as
of right now, it's supposed to be one hundred percent
tariff going into effect on Chinese goods, which this is
(04:13):
true trade war stuff. I mean one hundred percent tariff
is in a little certax that is now the products
will no longer be competitive entering the US market at
the current rates. So that's a big deal. China is
thinking that they can out maneuver Trump by cutting rare
(04:33):
earth minerals to the rest of the world. This is
a very complicated topic on its own because rare earth.
We have rare earth minerals here, we haven't been mining them.
I think a lot of this is because the environmental
lobby and concerns about, oh, the mining is going to
be so terrible, So China has been doing it, and
now China is this massive provider of rare earth to
the whole world. You need these things for the electronics
(04:56):
that we all now rely on for our day to
day lives. So the China negotiation clay is heating up
right at the same time, we are entering now another
fate of the Russia negotiation, which you were laying out.
Here's my sense of this. I do not believe that
Trump is going to get a deal on Russia Ukraine
this time around. Either. I think that Putin still believes
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that he is taking territory. He may give some indication
of progress via words meaning putin and we're going to
revisit this. I think that Putin squarely and strongly believes
that he will continue to strengthen his hand and gain
more territory with the battlefield at status quo, and even
(05:40):
Trump saying I'm going to bloody your nose on this
if you don't stop is not going to be enough.
You're going to have to see an actual change in
what's happening on the battlefield because of US weapons and support,
and then maybe you can get to a deal. I
think Trump has to turn up the heat, just threatened
(06:00):
to turn up the heat to get to any kind
of meaningful just cease fire, never mind peace deal.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, so let's build on that to what extent is
giving Ukraine offensive weaponry going to lead to a more
significant battle ground, a more deadly, a more serious. Remember
that Russia has nukes. Do you fear that if we
accelerate the weaponry on Ukraine side, that Russia will accelerate
(06:30):
the use of weaponry on their side, because that's the
rationale for which giving Ukraine weapons that could strike into
Russia have not been done to this point. Do you
buy that as a fear that Russia will accelerate or
increase the level of violence that they bring to bear.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do not. I think that Putin will make noise
about that, but I think that there are a few
reasons why he wouldn't do it. For one, you have
Russian and Ukrainian troops in essentially a trench warfare standoff,
in very close contact, such that if this was used,
even a so called tactical nuke used on the battlefield,
(07:08):
you would be taking I think, a substantial risk to
your own forces most likely. Now people can say, what
if you nukes Kiev or goes deep into the interior, Well,
that's a massive escalation beyond what we have even seen.
That would bring I think the international you know, forget
about the international community, America, the UK, even China at
(07:31):
that point and be like, what the heck are you doing?
And you might have reprisals, You might have a response
from nations that you know get takes us to a
very scary place. I don't think that they're willing to
do that. I don't think they would do that if
we started, if they start lobbing missiles into Moscow. Maybe,
I mean, you know that there are red lines that
Russians have, but I don't think that more effective weapons
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on the Ukraine battlefield against the Russians results in Russia
deploying and you know, using a nuke. That would be
a very scary world if that happened. And I know
that this is very high stakes poker, but keep in
mind they've been dangling that threat this whole time. I
think at some point people have to be willing to
(08:13):
call the bluff on it. I'm not sure that Trump is.
I'm not sure how far deep down this rabbit hole
Trump is going to go. But I also think that
he recognizes the Hey, Vladimir, let's be reasonable, let's be
let's be reasonable men here does not work. That's not
gonna work with Putin. He is not reasonable in the
sense of how we view reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think it comes down to fear. I think the
only thing that Putin responds to is fear. And I
don't mean that he's physically fearful. I mean that he
is afraid somebody might be willing to be as nasty
to him as he is clearly willing to be to them.
And I think Trump has come to see that that
might be necessary. And I think you hit on something
(08:56):
important here, which is the China component. I wondered what
extent a peace deal that could be brokeered might involve
China starting to step away for just a short period
of time from purchasing Russian oil because Trump brought the
hammer down on India, and to be fair, a lot
(09:16):
of this Russian oil embargo is complete bs, by which
I mean people say, oh, we're not gonna buy Russian oil.
They're invading Ukraine. This is unacceptable, and so Russia sells
the oil to India at a discount. India then marks
it up some and sells it back to the rest
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of the world. It's a ridiculous shell It's not a
bad business for India, right, because they're getting reduced oil
gas cost and then they're able to still sell at
a reduced price as the middleman. But this whole idea
that we've cut off Russia's outlets to the rest of
the world with their oil is a total shell game.
And Trump has recognized it. He's put the pressure on India. Now,
(10:02):
will China bend in any way? Because really, if you
want to curtail the financial might of Russia, you have
to end a fake game. Here's the other thing they
could do, and there has been some discussion about this,
much of it in Europe. Start letting Europe use all
of the frozen Russian assets that have been seized in
overseas bank accounts to pay for the war against Russia.
(10:27):
That to me is something that could get Putin's attention
in a significant way as well. I think Buckett is
around two hundred or three hundred billion dollars that has
been seized in Russian assets in European banks by and large.
And if you just give all that money to Ukraine
and say, okay, Boom, go buy all the weaponry that
(10:49):
you want, and we'll let Russia fund the war directly
against Russia, I think that might well get a lot
of their attention, and it feels like to me a
significant step that should be taken.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, there's a lot here that could be done. Again,
I think Trump is going to have to do it.
I don't think that the talking about it to putin,
even from President Trump, is going to result in any
real change here. That's just based on how this has
gone so far. I would also say one of the
challenges that we have, and Clay this came up even
in my discussions with the Taiwanese leadership in Taipei. One
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of the challenges is that even when America now wants
to sell, not give sell weapons to allies so they
can defend themselves, we run into capacity problems. We don't
have the World War two all of the above. What
was a factory for cars is now a factory for tanks.
(11:46):
We don't have that economy anymore, for understandable reasons. But
that's not the situation we are in. So we can't
even ramp up the production of some of even things
that straightforward as artillery round for the Ukrainian fighters. So
are the Ukrainian armies, So that's a challenge that we
run into here as well. So we can give them
(12:08):
more advanced systems, but just giving them part of the
problem is that Russia can just put more men and
materiel on the battlefield with a whole lot more in reserve,
and our ability to try to match them for the
Ukrainians in any meaningful way is constrained by we can't
make the stuff fast enough. Yeah, so that's another problem
(12:30):
that we're running up against here, you know, and you
can't just build advanced factories to make whatever it is,
you know, the various missile systems. There used to be
a lot more defense contractors. There were dozens in the
I think even back in like the eighties. Now it's
really just four that are the primary or is four
or five, But they're just a handful that are the
(12:51):
major defense contractors, and they're not going to operate at
a loss with capacity they don't use, so they're just
churning out what they're churning out, so that there's complexity
here to the battlefront that Ukraine is on that we
have to take take into account here as well, that
Trump has to take take into account when he's doing
these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
One other bit of news there that could be favorable
is we're now into mid October. By mid November, the
mud becomes so significant according to everything that I've read,
because winter arrives in Ukraine that the battlefield movement and
attacks diminished substantially, meaning we may now have several months
where there isn't any ability to move the lines in
(13:34):
an aggressive fashion that might facilitate peace now to the
extent that Putin feels like he's captured as much territory
as he possibly can. By the way, several other stories
out there. Again, we begin with that because Trump is
on a call with Vladimir Putin as we are beginning
the show with all of you. John Fetterman big story
in Axios that Democrats are unhappy with him and maybe
(13:56):
bringing a challenge in the Senate primary in twenty twenty
eight in the state of Pennsylvania. AOC says Republicans are
leading young men astray with their toxic masculinity Mom Donnie
went on Fox News with Martha McCollum as the New
York City mayor's race inches closer and closer, just about
(14:18):
three weeks away there, and maybe things in Virginia are
more competitive than we thought. Obama has had to drop
an ad for Abigail Spanberger in that Virginia governor's race.
We'll continue to follow all of that with you, but
we want to tell you the headlines out of Israel
this week speak of joy, relief, and hopefulness for meaningful peace.
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Now at hand, millions feel that way, but they're still
a large segment of the population rebuilding their lives, their homes,
dealing with the after effects of being targeted by missile
attacks and worse. You should know our partners at the
IFCJ that's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They're
still on the ground in Israel providing valuable assistance to
the part of the population that desperately needs help. They've
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been at this for forty years now. The Fellowship's brought
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One of those problems, feeding the Hungary and those without
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Speaker 2 (16:08):
Welcome in everybody, second hour of play and Fuck kick
this off now. And we had mentioned this, so we
have to play. We can't just leave you hang it out.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
There, right, Chris Bion, I'm on Pool who has a
sort of English accent, but also it's like fancier than
an English accent.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
What percentage of her professional success is related to her accent?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Buck?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
If she talked like you or me, not bad voices
we talk on the radio.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Would she be seventy five percent less successful in her career? Oh,
at least at least there was a time when, and uh,
and this is just fact, there was a time when,
especially in television, if you had a British accent of
any kind, people just assumed you were smart and they
should listen to you in America, which is weird, especially
(17:01):
when you stop to think that the GDP per capita
of the UK is less than the per capita income
of the poorest American state, Like, why do we think
they're so fancy over there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is a weird not even it's not even past
buck this. I think John Oliver owes seventy five percent
of his career success to the fact that he's British.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well that's not right, noice, isn't klay?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah? Absolutely, If these guys actually spoke like everybody again,
John Oliver had a Southern accent, he would have no career.
Exact same, exact, same opinions, deep Southern accent. He does
not have a media career.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's he owes everything to the British and the fact
that he doesn't have a deep Southern accent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
What's funny to me is I've tried to go to
Clay into giving me the most country Tennessee accent possible,
and he does, like it's it's not even the thing
that's there. He just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I just feel like if you fake an accent, uh,
and I don't mean for comedic purposes. This is the
thing that drives me crazy. Every Southerner. We've talked about
this before. Politicians disrespect us so much because they pretend
that they're actually Southern whenever they come down here, that
(18:19):
my mom and dad have deep Southern accents.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But you can't even you don't even code switch though.
You don't do the code switch thing, Like it's not
like when you're in Nashville, but you're like, hey, I'm
Clay Travis y'all. You know, like that does not happen.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I don't believe in code switching, Like I'm me for
better or worse, Like there is no distinction between me
on this microphone and when I walk outside and I'm
on the sidewalk in Panama City, I will sound the exaccent.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I can't act. I'm a rust actor. I was gonna say,
you know, when I'm in Sheepshead Bay, I'm showing Clay
around in New York and I'm like, hey, it's Buck.
I'm a firefighter FDNY. You know, like Clay doesn't even
He's like, what's going on here? I mc don't worrying
with the locals we're talking, you know, you know, like
it's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I want to even do it. I'm helping people get
elected in Tennessee. I just show up and I talk
like me, Now, does it help that I'm from Tennessee
and that people know that I am. Yes, probably because
there's so many people who have moved in from other
places and they trust me because I'm a local. But
what we don't trust in the South, and I know
there's tons of you out there in the South listening
(19:24):
nodding along, is when somebody who's not from here shows
up and tries to pretend like they are, which is
every politician. Well, as we've discussed, we actually do need
to have a national dispensation. Maybe Trump could sign an
executive order whereby we all just appropriate y'all because it
is a better contraction, you guys, which is really the
(19:44):
Northeastern equivalent, you guys, y'all is way better, easier to say,
rolls off the tong better. But none of us want
to seem like posers by taking your y'all. So I
know some of you write and say, buck, you can
do it because I have honorary Southern privileges, but we
really should, just as an American thing get to everybody
can say, is your honorary Southern privilege that you married
(20:08):
a girl from the South. Is that why you think
you have the ability to say y'all? Or is it
the movement to Florida? What if you had moved to
Florida and just married another New Yorker in Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, I actually I think it's just because I do
this show and Southerners, in their graciousness, it's like getting
to the city or something. It's like an honorary PhD.
I have honorary because we have such enormous audiences in
Southern states and audience all you know. Yeah, No, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Look, my wife has been down in the South for
twenty four years and it took her a while to
get comfortable saying y'all. But it is a way better
word than the alternative. Like you guys, it's way more efficient,
way more effective, and so yeah, I think the whole
nation should adopt it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Now back to Christiana, very fancy, but also very sorry
because she said something really, really stupid. Let's start with
the stupid thing that she said that she had to
apologize for, play that.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
People who start to talk to the hostages who have
only just been released will find that it will take
a long long time for them to recover physically but
also mentally. It's been a terrible, terrible two years with
them because not only are they there, you know, they've
probably been treated better than the average garsen because they
are the pawns and the chips that Hamas had. Now
(21:29):
Hamas has given up all its leverage, by the way,
by giving them all up better.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That place, she said better than I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Probably Why go back to the last fifteen seconds of that.
Can we cut through into that, because not only there
are two things that she said there that I think
are significant, and actually she's telling on herself. One the
hostages that were made to dig their own graves, most
of whom were actually killed murdered by the people holding them.
(22:02):
The people that have not been above ground, some of
them in years they're probably being treated better than the
average person in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's what she said.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
She also pointed out here something she said, Well, this
is a big risk for Hamas because they're giving up
their leverage.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is something that everybody. She sounds like a homage.
She sounds like a Hamas negotiator. Honestly, she sounds like
she could be doing the Hamas back and forth with
trump Et cetera herself.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And she's saying that because Hamas has told her that right,
she's not. She has bought into the idea that Hamas,
the average person in Gaza is being treated way worse
than the average hostage. Play that backside again and then
we'll play her apology where she tried to clean it up.
But sometimes you got to listen to people because they
(22:52):
will tell on themselves. And again, this was live television.
Christian naman par who owes seventy five percent of her
entire career, at least to the fact that she has
an interesting accent that makes her sound smarter than she is.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Listen, terrible, terrible two years for them, because not only
are they there, you know, they're probably being treated better
than the average garsen because they are the pawns and
the chips that Hamas had. Now Hamas has given up
all its leverage, by the way, by giving them all.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Up, probably being treated better than the average gozen. Christiana
modpoor on how the hostages are being treated. Okay, that
was I'm glad we played that. Then she had to
clean it up because a lot of people saw that
clip and said, my god, how did that air? And
(23:40):
here was clean up on asle Amanpour. This was CNN.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I noticed that for the hostages who are finally home,
it'll take a long time for them to recover mentally
and physically. But I regret also saying that they might
have been treated better than many gardens because Hamas used
these hostages as pawns and bargaining chips. That was insensitive
and it was wrong. From speaking to many formal hostages
and their families. Like everyone, I've been horrified at what
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Hamas has subjected them to over two long years.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Okay, the first the first version was what she really thinks,
just to be correct. The apology was by CNN corporate
leadership saying, you moron, we don't want to have to
fire you after thirty years of you being an overpaid,
you know, zero, But you better go out there and
clean this up right away. But she actually believed the
first thing that she said, because there are a lot
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of people who have adopted this narrative of the gazas
the casualty. The real casualty figures for Gaza are something
like one percent of the overall population. That's the actual
ca So ninety nine percent of gausands in a so
called genocide and starvation scenario, ninety nine percent of them
are are not. We're not in any way killed or casual.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The one percent is also important here, Buck, It's because
Homosages was using.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Them human shields, human shields, so it's not the number.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And look, Israel is imperfect, as everyone is in a
time of war. But this was probably the most targeted
attack on bad guys that we have ever seen in
the history of modern warfare, of warfare at all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Remember, look at what they did in Iran. Some of
the things that they did.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They went into apartment buildings and took out Iranian leaders
in the nuclear arms race and didn't even hit the
rest of the apartment. So when they're out there saying,
oh my goodness, all these people are innocent being killed.
Some innocent people are killed in times of war. That
is unfortunate, that is a reality. But that's an intentional
move by Hamas because they put so many of their
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facilities under hospitals, under schools, in places so they can
point and say, no, there's nothing wrong here. Remember Buck
in the early days, remember when every newspaper put that
Israel had hit a hospital, and then it came out
that it was actually Hamas that hit it, and it
just kind of van Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, this also, though, is a reminder when we want
to talk about the moral clarity with which people should
look at this conflict. They could have avoided a single
Palestinian casualty if Hamas just didn't do what it did,
didn't do October seventh, correct or even in the aftermath
of October seventh, the Hamas leadership. If the Palestinian people
(26:22):
have been like, you know what, you take these bumps
and do with them whatever you want. They're out and
we're giving you back your hostages, and you take our
Hamas leaders and try them and execute those that, you
know whatever, they would have saved a lot of civilian
casualties that way too. But they chose to fight after
starting the fight. If you start a fight and then
(26:43):
you choose to fight, you don't get to cry when
you lose the fight, which is exactly what has been
going on here the whole time.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
By the way, President Trump just tweeted, we'll read this
maybe when we come back. He's been on the call
with Putin our whole show so far today, Buck, he
just hung up with Vladimir Putin, so he has been
talking for Putin. I mean we've been talking for an
hour and twenty minutes already. Before we started the show,
he was on the call with Putin. Well, hold on,
(27:10):
here we have I have just concluded my telephone conversation
with President Putin of Russia. Very productive one. President Putin
congratulated me in the United States on the great accomplishment
of peace in the Middle East, something that he said
has been dreamed about for centuries. I actually believe the
success in the Middle East will help in our negotiation
and attaining an end to the war with Russia Ukraine.
(27:32):
President Putin thanked First Lady of Milanya for her involvement
with children. Very appreciative, said this will continue. We also
spent a great deal of time talking about trade between
Russia and the United States when the war with Ukraine
is over. At the conclusion of the call, we agreed
there will be a meeting of our high level advisors
next week the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Initial meetings will be led.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By Secretary of State Marco Rubio, together with various other
people to be designated a meeting location to be de termined,
and President Putin and I will then meet in an
agreed upon location Buddapest, Hungary to see if we can
bring this inglorious war between Russia and Ukraine to an end.
President Zelensky and I will be meeting tomorrow in the
(28:14):
Oval Office, where we will discuss my conversation with President
Putin and much more. I believe great progress was made
with today's telephone conversation. That is President Trump two minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I hope President Trump is right. Let's see. That's I
think where we have to be. We'll continue to look
at the details to see if we can get a
little more of a readout some of the specifics from
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
One is some of you been saying that Fetterman voted
to keep the government open. There's been a lot of
these votes, and until there's agreement from the Democrat side,
it's really just a going through the motions gesture. But
in a recent vote, as I see here two days ago,
six senators did not vote to reopen the government, including
(30:36):
Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania. So at least in a
recent one he didn't vote. Now, I guess he's been
vocally supportive of reopening the government as well. But you know,
let me see fetterman statement on the government is not
the reason the government is shut down. Look, the reality
is you got to get to sixty.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I don't believe we've gotten to more than fifty
five or fifty six so far. I think they need
four more Democrats in order to open the government.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Path.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
According to Fetterman, he voted yes to extend the ACA
tax credits, but he won't vote for the shuttering of
the government, so he voted in favor of House and
Centive Democrats alternative Continuing Resolution in the Demo. Anyway, whatever, guys,
he's gone in the middle of this one. There's been
a bunch of different votes here. I'm just trying to see. Yeah,
(31:31):
he voted with the Democrats on this, but I guess
he says he wouldn't vote whatever. I don't know, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I find Let me just say this, Eventually, the government
is going to reopen and we are going to run
unfortunately massive deficits for years. They're going to take a
lot of our money and they are going to continue
to spend it, and none of us are going to
be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So I also want to throw this out there. If
anyone of you have done we have a lot of
California listeners, many of you have done the Catalina Island
Channel swim, please call in. I want to hear what
it's like. I look this up because I was wondering.
Also because to me, swimming at night you're generally advised.
I know, maybe I'm a little too freaked out about sharks. Okay,
maybe we've established that I have a shark attack phobia
(32:16):
or something, but I've seen Jaws too many times. In fact,
I've seen all of them, and they get really bad
after Jaws too, I mean even Jaws. A lot of
money grabs going on. Yeah, yeah, they the Jaws movies.
Really they they sink to the bottom of the ocean,
if you ask me. But the reason they do it
at night Generally, you don't want to swim at night
(32:38):
because it's harder to find you rip tides and also sharks,
sharks and more active feeding at night. But the reason
they do it is because of all the heavy boat traffic,
boat boat traffic exactly so, which is even a bigger
risk to swimmers because there's a lot of boats that
are moving in that area and you don't want obviously
(32:58):
any problems with that. So that's why they do it
at night. Okay, clarified that the feederman vote thing sounds
like he's trying to play a little bit of both
sides on it. But nonetheless, uh, that's where we are.
So with that, sir, I wanted to where you wanted
to dive into your boy mom.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Donnie was on with here Martha McCall yesterday afternoon on
Fox News.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Not born in America, so cannot be president. Glad we clarified.
I had forgotten that he was Dan. Yep, you know
I actually randomide side note here, I had a good
friend in college who was Ugandan and he uh, his
father came home one day and said, pack a bag
(33:45):
to his family, to his two sons and his wife,
pack a bag right now, we are going to the airport.
And his uh. His father was a lawyer in Uganda
at the time of Idiomanes reign as president, but really
as dictator, right, he was effectively the dictator of Uganda
(34:07):
who was making perceived enemies disappear. And the story that
again my friend told me, was that his father showed
up to the law firm late one day he had
some other business or whatever, and all the partners had
been detained and disappeared. Yeah. Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So anyway, Uganda, if you have I've told you, Hey,
he and the family got out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They got out. Yeah, he made it out. You knew him.
His dad became a professor in this country. They by
the way, actual refugees right right, actual asylum seeker slash
refugee situation. That's what it's for. It's for someone's trying
to kill me just because I, you know, am like
(34:51):
an educated member of the political opposition. Will you please
take in my family? It is not hey, I just
crossed the border and I want to make more money
slash get access to your welfare anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But if you have on the Uganda front, sorry to
remind you, Mamdanni's middle name is Quame. Remember we talked
about this, and he tried to pretend that he was
black for purposes of or mixed race for purposes of
his Colombia application when he clicked African American on the A.
(35:23):
I know a lot of people have stopped talking about that,
but he did that because he was born in Uganda
and his middle name, he's Zorn Quame, mom Donnie, and
so he was hoping I think that the admissions counselors
would think, oh, how many Quames from Africa are not
partly black, and that he would help him get into Colombia,
(35:45):
which did not work.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
By my Ugandan friend was most certainly black and uh
yes and uh yes uh and he fled. And I
would say, if you have not seen last King of Scotland.
That is a which deals with this. It's a fictionalize
but it degrees with with Idioman and what it was
like under his reign. And it is a It is
a great movie, underrated I think, and kind of forgotten now,
(36:09):
but a really really good watch.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Although the Christ Whitaker is the star in that movie, right,
really really he plays I also think later, Yeah, I
think of as an underrated actor in general.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Also, I think Forrest Whittaker. You know, people who know
know that he's actually really good, really good actor, and
he was phenomenal in that role. But yeah, he's Yeah,
some of the scenes are you're will kind of traumatize you.
I kind of wish they actually had toned it down
a little bit with some of the brutality. But anyway,
it's a very very good movie and there we have it,
(36:40):
okay now. Zoron Mumdani born in Uganda. Zoron Mumdani. Here
he is. When he sat down with Martha McCallum. She
got the exclusive yesterday to sit down with him on Fox.
And I will note that you're going to see Clay
More democrats who realize they have to do this now,
(37:00):
they have to be willing to sit down with not
puff media that's just going to tell them how amazing
they are because they don't have the same media ecosystem
dominance that they used to. So you're going to have
to go in and talk to people at Fox News.
You're increasingly I'm not saying it's going to be everywhere,
but you're going to see more of this. Look, Gavin
(37:21):
Newsom has been doing it, obviously because he wants to.
He does want to run for president. But he was asked.
Rammdani was asked about Hamas and whether they should lay
down their arms. This is cut twenty two. This is
what he said.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I have no issue with critiquing Hamas or the Israeli
government because my critiques all come from a place of
universal human rights. And my focus, however, is right here
in New York City and transforming the most expensive city
in America into one that's affordable for each and ever
New Yorker.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
But okay, and I want to get to that absolutely,
But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their
weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
I believe that any future here in New York City
is one that we have to make sure that's affordable
for all, and as it pertains to Israel and Palestine
that we have and sure that there is peace, and
that is the future that we have to fight for.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their
arms and give up leadership in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas
and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and
the fact that anything has to abide by international law,
and that applies to Hamas, that applies to Israeli military,
applies to anyone.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You could ask me about Clay. It sounds a little
bit like Abigail Spanberger being asked about the trans issue,
where you hear a bunch of words but you don't
get much of an answer.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Martha is, I think one of the best interviewers in news,
and that's a very direct question. Should the terror organization
lay down their arms or not so we can have
peace in the Middle East. That's effectively what Martha is asking,
and he, to your point, went full Abigail Spanburger and
(38:50):
just talked his way out of having to answer that question. Look, mom,
Donnie is really glib, He is really articulate. He is
a handsome guy. He's way better at saying nothing than
Abigail Spamberger is, and he smiles, and he knows how
(39:10):
to play the television game. And I am glad that
he was born in Uganda because earlier, when you were
talking about it, I've thought through this. He would one
hundred percent have an American presidential future in his horizon
if he had been born in the United States, because
he is that good at being disarming. He's wrong about everything,
(39:34):
I want to be clear, wrong about everything, but talks
a good game. And there are a lot of people
out there that if you smile. I have talked about
this with people on television for years. You can deliver
absolute missiles if you smile while you're do it. And
(39:56):
if the better looking you are, the more you can
get away with it. I joked about this with Tommy Laren,
who works it out kick go listen to some of
the some of the bullets that Tommy Larn metaphorically is firing.
But she is so good at smiling while she does it,
(40:17):
and she is gutting people and.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
They don't even realize it. And Mom Donnie is a handsome,
good looking, telligenic.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Disciple of all the wrong messaging, but he does it
so well that a lot of people just don't even
recognize what he's arguing. And then there are other things
that really appeal to young people. Hey, groceries are too expensive.
Why doesn't the city of New York just run its
own grocery store and then everything will be cheaper. Hey, man,
(40:51):
rent's really expensive. We should just freeze rent. That'll solve
all the problems. When you lack basic echon knowledge, you
come up with lots of answers to challenging situations that
actually make the challenging situation worse. But they have the
illusion of success for people who are often too young
(41:14):
or too ignorant to recognize that they're going to end
up in a worse shape. You know who doesn't get
frozen buck mortgage, the mortgages that the landlords have to pay,
like their rates of payments don't get helped.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, it's all broken. You're leading right into what
I wanted to dive into, which is as somebody who
lived in New York and had to deal with I
mean I was like thirty and had four roommates, right,
I mean, this is it's a very tough place to
make it go. Of it. But the reasons for it
are not lack of government intervention. The reasons for it
are largely I would argue government doing too many things
(41:54):
the wrong way and thinking that it can just create
by Fiat market conditions, right, and then those market conditions
that actually exist after the government intervention happens are the same
thing in California housing. By the way, California, it's like,
why is housing so expensive? Why is a house so
(42:14):
expensive in California. Well, it's because there's all these regulations
and all these permits and all these things that go
into the process. You know, recently they did an analysis
clay and I think it was in Canada, another very
liberal place, right left wing place, and something like fifty
percent of the cost of a new house in Canada
is purely regulation, taxes and permits fifty percent. And I mean,
(42:37):
if you looked at what it is in California. Remember
when they were going to build a million dollar porta
potty essentially, I think it was in San Francisco. They
were going to spend a million dollars on a public,
single occupancy bathroom. Everybody that's a porta potty. How do
you spend a million dollars on a porta potty California. Yeah,
the newsom has an answer for you. New York City,
(43:00):
twenty percent of New Yorkers, something like a one point
four million people are in subsidize almost free, depends on
which conversation subsidize housing. And then they make it very
expensive and very difficult to create new housing. Guess what
this makes market conditions where everything is priced here. The
(43:23):
two percent surcharge that Mamdannie says he's going to charge
on incomes to make life less expensive for people is
a joke. It is not even scratching at the problem.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
It also reminds me of your bathroom analogy. You remember
when they were gonna build a nationwide network of charging
stations for all the vehicles, and then the numbers came
out that they had spent billions of dollars and somehow
added like seven charging stations. The government can't do anything
efficiently or effectively, which is why we need to get
the government out of as much as we possibly can.
(43:58):
We'll play a couple more of these Donnie kuts, because
I do think they're very significant. Also, we got Obama
coming in to the Virginia governor's race, and I saw
this aoc on masculinity. But also, Buck, did you see
that AI articles now make up the majority of articles
published on the internet already, just in the two years
(44:21):
that AI has taken off.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I think this is the book industry, which you and
I are still in for what it's worth. I don't
know what's going to happen now. It's gone from ghostwriters
to AI writers. Is what you're going to see. I
can tell you I wrote my book, and I know
Clay wrote his book. Because I know the people in
the publishing industry who are reading these things. That's unfortunately
going to become a vanishingly small number of books that
you're actually able to buy, no doubt.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've got a bunch
of different stories that we are chasing.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Today.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
President Trump had a multi hour long call with Vladimir Putin.
The impact of that call, according to President Trump's statements,
are that there will be a meeting between Trump and
Putin in Budapest and that there will be a meeting
very soon between high level advisors the United States. Initial
(46:51):
meeting will be led, according to President Trump, by Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, and a meeting location to be determined.
So the goal there to try and end the war
that is taking place right now in Ukraine. President Trump
writing a great deal of momentum off of the release
(47:12):
of the hostages and the positive directions that things are
moving in that context. Now, we also have John Fetterman
potentially facing a Senate challenge for not being committed enough
to crazy left wing ideals.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
That is according to an Axios report.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
We've been talking about Mom Donnie making his initial appearance
on Fox News, Martha McCollum asking the big questions of
Mom Donnie and Mom Donnie being frankly very good at
dodging responsibility for much of his public commentary. Now, he
did say, Buck, and I think we have this audio.
(47:53):
I want to make sure we pull it up. He
did publicly apologize to police officers for saying that he
had previously said they should be defunded. He also said
it was too early to give Trump credit for the
Gaza peace deal, and so let me hit a couple
of those.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Here is cut twenty three.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Martha McCollum says, hey, does President Trump deserve credit for
the peace deal? And Mom Donnie said it's too early,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still
just this in the last few days, that five Palestines
were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives
me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration
at a moment when it is still so in its infancy.
And what I will tell you is that in that
same moment, it is also one that requires a focus
on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better
(48:44):
future is one that is emblematic in our policies right
here in New York City as well. And that's what
we're hoping to lead with Willie, would.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
You give President Trump credit or not to any extent
credit or not.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I think it's too early to do so, too early
to say.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
But if it proves to be something that is lasting,
something that is durable, then I think that that's where
you give credit.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Can I just one quick thing, Clay, because we talked
about it. He's saying, the five Palestinians were killed. Where
where's the outrage, where's the condemnation, or even just the
conversation about the public executions, you know, summary judgment and
execution of captives by Hamas that occurred in the last
(49:20):
twenty four hours. I mean they're they're they're bounding and gag,
I know, gagging, tying up, blindfolding, and shooting people in
the back of the head on the street. And there's
I don't see any of these people that are so
concerned about gosins concerned about those gosins. It seems quite strange.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, And I also think it's funny the way this
is covered. Uh there's a big article in New York
Times about Mom Donnie going on uh the Martha McCollums show.
Here's a couple of the paragraphs. This is how the
New York Times covered it. Since mister mom Donnie's rapid
rise to the top of New York City politics, Fox
News has led a right wing media effort to characterize
him as an avatar of the Democrat Party grown too
(50:01):
beholden to its factions on the far left. The network's
contributors often point to his thin political experience, past comments
about law enforcement and proposals to increase taxes on New
York's wealthiest residents as both disqualifying and dangerous to New
York City, America's largest financial center.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yes, this is all very accurate.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
And it's written as if it's like, Oh, my goodness,
can you believe all the crazy things they say on
Fox News about mom Donnie. He wants to tax everyone
who makes money in New York City into virtual oblivion.
So that is one star of the New York City
Democrat Party. Now the other star of the New York
City Democrat Party in New York City is AOC. And
(50:47):
I wanted to play this for you, Buck. This was
last night Bernie Sanders and AOC had a town hall
with Caitlyn Collins and she was asked AOC was why
are Republicans successful on law and Uh, she said two
different things. One because uh, they we'll just listen to her.
I won't characterize it. Here's cut eighteen.
Speaker 9 (51:09):
When they talk about Republicans and their success online. They
have been successful because they have also been very clear,
especially digitally, about what they believe. That women are inferior,
that do not and they do not deserve equal rights.
That they believe that lgbt Q Americans are subhuman, that
(51:30):
they believe and are circulating disgusting racial and and white
supremacist messaging, that they are able to get away with
digital digitally and.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Online, get get away with this is they have no
hope for young men. I mean, I just wrote a
book it's coming out called Ball's Buck. But this is
this is not a good pitch. I just don't think
AOC is very aware of how the internet works. Based
on that answer, I want AOC to be the great
(52:03):
commie splainer of masculinity for the Democrats. I want her
to be out in the forefront telling all young men
because they have.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
As Democrats would say, their lived experience. They have been
through men, particularly now in their twenties. They've been through
the COVID shutdowns and the complete eradication of free speech,
scientific inquiry, and everything else that the left manufactured during that.
They've been through the toxic masculinity talks. They've been through
(52:34):
CNN doing documentaries about how college campuses are quote like
hunting grounds for the constant sexual assaults and sexual abusers
that are other college students. That's what they're saying. They've
been through all of this, and they know that something
is really wrong with the Democrat Party. And if the
(52:55):
Democrat Party's response is going to be no, actually, your
toxic masculinity is the problem. Great, stay with that. Stay
on that. Democrats have AOC tell young men how they
should really feel about things, and if they don't agree
with her, it's because they're sexist and racist. Love it,
keep it going, Blast it from the rooftops. That's exactly
(53:17):
what she did in Cut nineteen buck. She's listening to you.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
She's running the game plan Cut nineteen AOC last night
on CNN.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
They are able to radicalize and target and exploit a
generation of young boys, in particular, away from healthy masculinity
and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of
others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender
(53:46):
than them, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basist and worst
parts of human nature.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
And I think about this all the time because I've
got three boys, and also because I just wrote the
book Book. But the Democrat brand it has become a
slur for young men. They will accuse each other of
being Democrats. Black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men,
teenage young men. I don't know how they come back
(54:24):
from this. I am very certain that it is not
by having a woman lecture young men that they are
actually toxic, because that's why they've left in the first place.
We don't talk ever. Have you ever heard anybody talk
about toxic femininity. Have you ever heard a huge national
(54:45):
discussion about how women are toxic and they are destroying
the country. Maybe we need to have that conversation because
liberal women are toxic and they are destroying the country.
But young men have been told their entire lives that
they are the problem. And this is me getting on
the soapbox because I think about this so much. Buck,
(55:06):
I see the world through the eyes of my kids.
You and I are roughly of the age, and a
lot of listeners are out there where we were raised
in the idea that men and women should both be
able to aspire to the apex of success, whatever it
might be. Become president, fud fly a plane, whatever you
(55:27):
want to do, be an astronaut. Everyone should be able
to aspire to the apex to pursue the meritocracy to
the fullest extent of their ability. And I think everybody
out there nods along and says, yeah, that's good. Men,
women be the best, be the best that you can be.
There's a difference between be the best that you can be,
which I would say is the culture and era in
which you and I were raised and women are better
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than men. And sometime around and I don't know the
exact year, but sometime around two thoy twelve ten fourteen,
in that era of social media rising and Barack Obama,
we moved from women and men should both be able
to be as successful as they possibly can to men
(56:13):
are bad. Certainly me too accelerated it and women are
better than men. And we this is the era now
that young men are being raised in and they're looking
around and saying, why am I being blamed for everything?
In America? Actually America is awesome first of all. Secondly,
to a large degree, America is awesome because of brave
men and women. But a lot of brave men and
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masculinity isn't toxic at all. And so that is I
think the foundational issue that emerged in twenty twenty four,
and Democrats don't seem capable of addressing it in any
way that is going to be successful.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I think it's getting worse for them. I think you
could not have civilization as we have come to know
it without men embracing their masculinity. Yes, I think that
if it were not for men who were willing to
put their lives on the line and lose their lives
to fight for something bigger than themselves, if it were
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not for men who would spend the longest of hours
and make tremendous personal sacrifice and in a sense give
their lives in a different way to the pursuit of
incredible inventions or exploration or technological advancement or building something,
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whether it's a skyscraper, a manufacturing plant, or a cathedral. Right,
if it weren't for men willing to take masculinity in
its different forms to the extreme or to its maybe
its most appropriate you could argue level its highest level.
(57:54):
Then we would not have a civilization that we enjoy
right now, and that I think is for gotten or
rather entirely suppressed by the angry and bitter feminist left,
which has sadly tragically led an entire generation, really now
a couple of generations of American women who buy into
that stuff down a pathway that is not fulfilling, that
(58:18):
is filled with bitterness and self pity, and is ultimately
a bad life course. And this is just the reality
that you see. I mean, I've said this before. I've
had this talk with many people, including in my own family,
that I think the sex and the city ification of
American women has been horrendously undermining for their long term happiness.
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And I know they can say, oh, I'm man explaining
I'm a man, what do wh I know? You know,
I'm in my forties. I've seen a lot, and I
pay attention, and I actually want what's best for men
and for women in this country. And there's been a
huge departure from civilizational norms that are the basis for
building our civilization, which is, of course family cohesion. It
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is male and female parental roles and spousal roles and
roles within a civilization itself, within society, and we pay
the price for that. And you can just see this
all around, Clay. It's a very sad thing. We've talked
with this in their day. I know so many women
now because they're my age that I grew up with
in New York who did this sort of eat, prey
(59:23):
love through your twenties and thirties thing. And maybe they
had some job in I don't know, you know, marketing
or PR or advertising or something that they liked, but
weren't really that invested in, not like a life's calling.
They're not heart surgeons. And now they're unmarried. They look around,
they don't have families. It's hard to start a family
at that age. Biological reality kicks in. Being forty four
year old woman, it's not easy to have kids. And
(59:47):
they look around and they want someone to explain this
to them, and unfortunately, the Democrats say it's men's fault, yes,
and that's not true. So this is where we are.
I don't know if people can see it in some
other lens or some other men are, but men, I
think see this and say to themselves, I didn't cause this,
(01:00:07):
And actually it was the people saying that toxic, that
men are toxic, that convince women to go down this
pathway where effectively they are trying to compete with and
act as men in ways that are not going to
be fulfilled. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think that's all said, and I've spent a ton
of time. I love this topic. This is a big
part of the book. There's a difference between equality and sameness.
You can treat everyone equal, but it doesn't mean that
they're the same. And we spend so much time on
this idea to kind of build on what you said
and kind of maybe distill it a little bit. We
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have told men they should be more like women, and
we have told women they should be more like men.
And the result is men don't like by and large,
women who act like men, and women do not like
men who act like women. And so when you're trying
to androgenize the sexes, you're actually driving everybody unhappily away
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from each other. And to Buck's point, this is what
you end up with a lot of people who are
sitting around saying, wait a minute, I made all these
good choices, and I wanted to have kids and I
can't find a man.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
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Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We are rolling
with all of you. Thursday edition of the program. I
have joined Buck in the Free State of Florida. I'm
in the northern part of Florida. He is in the
absolute most southern, nearly part of Florida. But we have
got the entire sides of the state covered. I'm on
the Panhandlebuck, and I know you talked about when you
(00:58):
were in the Highlands. However, who comes up is super
I bet per capita. The Panhandle of Florida particularly down
in the beach area. Maybe the number one most indexed
I Love you, Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Audience in all of America. So this is fun.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm in Panama City Beach for the next couple of
days and we are monitoring a bunch of different stories
that are out there. President Trump is as we speak,
I believe, unless something has happened in the last couple
of minutes on a phone call with Vladimir Putin, Trump
is Buck. He's feeling it. You know, when you you
(01:38):
know you got the role going a little bit. Maybe
whatever your game is, table steaks, Hey, JB. Pritzker one
point four million dollars. We've had some fun with that
in gambling earnings last year. Did you guys see that?
The governor of Illinois.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
But you have that.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Maybe you're on the crabs table and the roles are
going your direction. Maybe you've just hit blackjack against the
dealer and you got some money in your hocket. Maybe
you just hit on a few of our prize pick winners.
But President Trump is feeling it right now. He's got
the peace agreement in the Middle East and he now
(02:13):
is stepping up. He's got Zelensky coming into the White
House on Friday, and I think he's increasingly emboldened at
his hand, so to speak, and the string of victories
that he has put together. And I think he has
expectations that he's going to be able to find peace
in this Ukraine and Russia deal. And it's going to
(02:33):
be interesting to see what his negotiating lever is. We
got a bunch to get into, but right off the top, Buck,
it seems like right now Trump has decided that maybe
the way to get peace is to make Russia fear
if the war continues. Right now, there is no fear
if you look in the Middle East. I know a
lot of people disagreed with you and me, but we
(02:55):
were right the strike in Iran. Basically let everybody know, Okay,
there are consequences if we step outside the lines of
acceptable behavior, and right now there are no consequences for Russia.
Those consequences can be economic as it comes to oil
and gas, and Trump has tried to bring that to
bear on India, but it seems and I'm not sure
(03:17):
he's officially going to do it, but it seems that
Trump has decided that giving Ukraine weapons that can reach
into Russia and directly attack Russia's ability to produce oil,
which is what is the money funding source that is
allowing this war to continue. That maybe Trump is at
least willing to threaten, if not actually willing to do it.
(03:41):
Does that kind of seem to be your read from
a negotiating standpoint in what exactly is at stake here
or what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yes, and we should dive into some of the specifics here.
I would just add to it that there's also the
very high stakes negotiation with China going on on over
trade over tariffs, where on the first of January, as
of right now, it's supposed to be one hundred percent
tariff going into effect on Chinese goods, which this is
(04:13):
true trade war stuff. I mean one hundred percent tariff
is in a little certax that is now the products
will no longer be competitive entering the US market at
the current rates. So that's a big deal. China is
thinking that they can out maneuver Trump by cutting rare
(04:33):
earth minerals to the rest of the world. This is
a very complicated topic on its own because rare earth.
We have rare earth minerals here, we haven't been mining them.
I think a lot of this is because the environmental
lobby and concerns about, oh, the mining is going to
be so terrible, So China has been doing it, and
now China is this massive provider of rare earth to
the whole world. You need these things for the electronics
(04:56):
that we all now rely on for our day to
day lives. So the China negotiation clay is heating up
right at the same time, we are entering now another
fate of the Russia negotiation, which you were laying out.
Here's my sense of this. I do not believe that
Trump is going to get a deal on Russia Ukraine
this time around. Either. I think that Putin still believes
(05:18):
that he is taking territory. He may give some indication
of progress via words meaning putin and we're going to
revisit this. I think that Putin squarely and strongly believes
that he will continue to strengthen his hand and gain
more territory with the battlefield at status quo, and even
(05:40):
Trump saying I'm going to bloody your nose on this
if you don't stop is not going to be enough.
You're going to have to see an actual change in
what's happening on the battlefield because of US weapons and support,
and then maybe you can get to a deal. I
think Trump has to turn up the heat, just threatened
(06:00):
to turn up the heat to get to any kind
of meaningful just cease fire, never mind peace deal.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, so let's build on that to what extent is
giving Ukraine offensive weaponry going to lead to a more
significant battle ground, a more deadly, a more serious. Remember
that Russia has nukes. Do you fear that if we
accelerate the weaponry on Ukraine side, that Russia will accelerate
(06:30):
the use of weaponry on their side, because that's the
rationale for which giving Ukraine weapons that could strike into
Russia have not been done to this point. Do you
buy that as a fear that Russia will accelerate or
increase the level of violence that they bring to bear.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I do not. I think that Putin will make noise
about that, but I think that there are a few
reasons why he wouldn't do it. For one, you have
Russian and Ukrainian troops in essentially a trench warfare standoff,
in very close contact, such that if this was used,
even a so called tactical nuke used on the battlefield,
(07:08):
you would be taking I think, a substantial risk to
your own forces most likely. Now people can say, what
if you nukes Kiev or goes deep into the interior, Well,
that's a massive escalation beyond what we have even seen.
That would bring I think the international you know, forget
about the international community, America, the UK, even China at
(07:31):
that point and be like, what the heck are you doing?
And you might have reprisals, You might have a response
from nations that you know get takes us to a
very scary place. I don't think that they're willing to
do that. I don't think they would do that if
we started, if they start lobbing missiles into Moscow. Maybe,
I mean, you know that there are red lines that
Russians have, but I don't think that more effective weapons
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on the Ukraine battlefield against the Russians results in Russia
deploying and you know, using a nuke. That would be
a very scary world if that happened. And I know
that this is very high stakes poker, but keep in
mind they've been dangling that threat this whole time. I
think at some point people have to be willing to
(08:13):
call the bluff on it. I'm not sure that Trump is.
I'm not sure how far deep down this rabbit hole
Trump is going to go. But I also think that
he recognizes the Hey, Vladimir, let's be reasonable, let's be
let's be reasonable men here does not work. That's not
gonna work with Putin. He is not reasonable in the
sense of how we view reasonableness.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think it comes down to fear. I think the
only thing that Putin responds to is fear. And I
don't mean that he's physically fearful. I mean that he
is afraid somebody might be willing to be as nasty
to him as he is clearly willing to be to them.
And I think Trump has come to see that that
might be necessary. And I think you hit on something
(08:56):
important here, which is the China component. I wondered what
extent a peace deal that could be brokeered might involve
China starting to step away for just a short period
of time from purchasing Russian oil because Trump brought the
hammer down on India, and to be fair, a lot
(09:16):
of this Russian oil embargo is complete bs, by which
I mean people say, oh, we're not gonna buy Russian oil.
They're invading Ukraine. This is unacceptable, and so Russia sells
the oil to India at a discount. India then marks
it up some and sells it back to the rest
(09:38):
of the world. It's a ridiculous shell It's not a
bad business for India, right, because they're getting reduced oil
gas cost and then they're able to still sell at
a reduced price as the middleman. But this whole idea
that we've cut off Russia's outlets to the rest of
the world with their oil is a total shell game.
And Trump has recognized it. He's put the pressure on India. Now,
(10:02):
will China bend in any way? Because really, if you
want to curtail the financial might of Russia, you have
to end a fake game. Here's the other thing they
could do, and there has been some discussion about this,
much of it in Europe. Start letting Europe use all
of the frozen Russian assets that have been seized in
overseas bank accounts to pay for the war against Russia.
(10:27):
That to me is something that could get Putin's attention
in a significant way as well. I think Buckett is
around two hundred or three hundred billion dollars that has
been seized in Russian assets in European banks by and large.
And if you just give all that money to Ukraine
and say, okay, Boom, go buy all the weaponry that
(10:49):
you want, and we'll let Russia fund the war directly
against Russia, I think that might well get a lot
of their attention, and it feels like to me a
significant step that should be taken.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yes, there's a lot here that could be done. Again,
I think Trump is going to have to do it.
I don't think that the talking about it to putin,
even from President Trump, is going to result in any
real change here. That's just based on how this has
gone so far. I would also say one of the
challenges that we have, and Clay this came up even
in my discussions with the Taiwanese leadership in Taipei. One
(11:24):
of the challenges is that even when America now wants
to sell, not give sell weapons to allies so they
can defend themselves, we run into capacity problems. We don't
have the World War two all of the above. What
was a factory for cars is now a factory for tanks.
(11:46):
We don't have that economy anymore, for understandable reasons. But
that's not the situation we are in. So we can't
even ramp up the production of some of even things
that straightforward as artillery round for the Ukrainian fighters. So
are the Ukrainian armies, So that's a challenge that we
run into here as well. So we can give them
(12:08):
more advanced systems, but just giving them part of the
problem is that Russia can just put more men and
materiel on the battlefield with a whole lot more in reserve,
and our ability to try to match them for the
Ukrainians in any meaningful way is constrained by we can't
make the stuff fast enough. Yeah, so that's another problem
(12:30):
that we're running up against here, you know, and you
can't just build advanced factories to make whatever it is,
you know, the various missile systems. There used to be
a lot more defense contractors. There were dozens in the
I think even back in like the eighties. Now it's
really just four that are the primary or is four
or five, But they're just a handful that are the
(12:51):
major defense contractors, and they're not going to operate at
a loss with capacity they don't use, so they're just
churning out what they're churning out, so that there's complexity
here to the battlefront that Ukraine is on that we
have to take take into account here as well, that
Trump has to take take into account when he's doing
these negotiations.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
One other bit of news there that could be favorable
is we're now into mid October. By mid November, the
mud becomes so significant according to everything that I've read,
because winter arrives in Ukraine that the battlefield movement and
attacks diminished substantially, meaning we may now have several months
where there isn't any ability to move the lines in
(13:34):
an aggressive fashion that might facilitate peace now to the
extent that Putin feels like he's captured as much territory
as he possibly can. By the way, several other stories
out there. Again, we begin with that because Trump is
on a call with Vladimir Putin as we are beginning
the show with all of you. John Fetterman big story
in Axios that Democrats are unhappy with him and maybe
(13:56):
bringing a challenge in the Senate primary in twenty twenty
eight in the state of Pennsylvania. AOC says Republicans are
leading young men astray with their toxic masculinity Mom Donnie
went on Fox News with Martha McCollum as the New
York City mayor's race inches closer and closer, just about
(14:18):
three weeks away there, and maybe things in Virginia are
more competitive than we thought. Obama has had to drop
an ad for Abigail Spanberger in that Virginia governor's race.
We'll continue to follow all of that with you, but
we want to tell you the headlines out of Israel
this week speak of joy, relief, and hopefulness for meaningful peace.
(14:40):
Now at hand, millions feel that way, but they're still
a large segment of the population rebuilding their lives, their homes,
dealing with the after effects of being targeted by missile
attacks and worse. You should know our partners at the
IFCJ that's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They're
still on the ground in Israel providing valuable assistance to
the part of the population that desperately needs help. They've
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been at this for forty years now. The Fellowship's brought
Christians and Jews together to solve big problems facing the
Jewish people in places like Israel and the former Soviet Union.
One of those problems, feeding the Hungary and those without
necessary means, including Holocaust survivors. I saw the work the
Foundation does on the ground. It is absolutely incredible. The
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work that they do is immense and frankly fantastically important.
Every day, the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, they're
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
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Speaker 2 (16:08):
Welcome in everybody, second hour of play and Fuck kick
this off now. And we had mentioned this, so we
have to play. We can't just leave you hang it out.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
There, right, Chris Bion, I'm on Pool who has a
sort of English accent, but also it's like fancier than
an English accent.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
What percentage of her professional success is related to her accent?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Buck?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
If she talked like you or me, not bad voices
we talk on the radio.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Would she be seventy five percent less successful in her career? Oh,
at least at least there was a time when, and uh,
and this is just fact, there was a time when,
especially in television, if you had a British accent of
any kind, people just assumed you were smart and they
should listen to you in America, which is weird, especially
(17:01):
when you stop to think that the GDP per capita
of the UK is less than the per capita income
of the poorest American state, Like, why do we think
they're so fancy over there? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
This is a weird not even it's not even past
buck this. I think John Oliver owes seventy five percent
of his career success to the fact that he's British.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well that's not right, noice, isn't klay?
Speaker 5 (17:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah? Absolutely, If these guys actually spoke like everybody again,
John Oliver had a Southern accent, he would have no career.
Exact same, exact, same opinions, deep Southern accent. He does
not have a media career.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's he owes everything to the British and the fact
that he doesn't have a deep Southern accent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
What's funny to me is I've tried to go to
Clay into giving me the most country Tennessee accent possible,
and he does, like it's it's not even the thing
that's there. He just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I just feel like if you fake an accent, uh,
and I don't mean for comedic purposes. This is the
thing that drives me crazy. Every Southerner. We've talked about
this before. Politicians disrespect us so much because they pretend
that they're actually Southern whenever they come down here, that
(18:19):
my mom and dad have deep Southern accents.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
But you can't even you don't even code switch though.
You don't do the code switch thing, Like it's not
like when you're in Nashville, but you're like, hey, I'm
Clay Travis y'all. You know, like that does not happen.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I don't believe in code switching, Like I'm me for
better or worse, Like there is no distinction between me
on this microphone and when I walk outside and I'm
on the sidewalk in Panama City, I will sound the exaccent.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I can't act. I'm a rust actor. I was gonna say,
you know, when I'm in Sheepshead Bay, I'm showing Clay
around in New York and I'm like, hey, it's Buck.
I'm a firefighter FDNY. You know, like Clay doesn't even
He's like, what's going on here? I mc don't worrying
with the locals we're talking, you know, you know, like
it's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I want to even do it. I'm helping people get
elected in Tennessee. I just show up and I talk
like me, Now, does it help that I'm from Tennessee
and that people know that I am. Yes, probably because
there's so many people who have moved in from other
places and they trust me because I'm a local. But
what we don't trust in the South, and I know
there's tons of you out there in the South listening
(19:24):
nodding along, is when somebody who's not from here shows
up and tries to pretend like they are, which is
every politician. Well, as we've discussed, we actually do need
to have a national dispensation. Maybe Trump could sign an
executive order whereby we all just appropriate y'all because it
is a better contraction, you guys, which is really the
(19:44):
Northeastern equivalent, you guys, y'all is way better, easier to say,
rolls off the tong better. But none of us want
to seem like posers by taking your y'all. So I
know some of you write and say, buck, you can
do it because I have honorary Southern privileges, but we
really should, just as an American thing get to everybody
can say, is your honorary Southern privilege that you married
(20:08):
a girl from the South. Is that why you think
you have the ability to say y'all? Or is it
the movement to Florida? What if you had moved to
Florida and just married another New Yorker in Florida.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
No, I actually I think it's just because I do
this show and Southerners, in their graciousness, it's like getting
to the city or something. It's like an honorary PhD.
I have honorary because we have such enormous audiences in
Southern states and audience all you know. Yeah, No, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Look, my wife has been down in the South for
twenty four years and it took her a while to
get comfortable saying y'all. But it is a way better
word than the alternative. Like you guys, it's way more efficient,
way more effective, and so yeah, I think the whole
nation should adopt it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Now back to Christiana, very fancy, but also very sorry
because she said something really, really stupid. Let's start with
the stupid thing that she said that she had to
apologize for, play that.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
People who start to talk to the hostages who have
only just been released will find that it will take
a long long time for them to recover physically but
also mentally. It's been a terrible, terrible two years with
them because not only are they there, you know, they've
probably been treated better than the average garsen because they
are the pawns and the chips that Hamas had. Now
(21:29):
Hamas has given up all its leverage, by the way,
by giving them all up better.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That place, she said better than I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Probably Why go back to the last fifteen seconds of that.
Can we cut through into that, because not only there
are two things that she said there that I think
are significant, and actually she's telling on herself. One the
hostages that were made to dig their own graves, most
of whom were actually killed murdered by the people holding them.
(22:02):
The people that have not been above ground, some of
them in years they're probably being treated better than the
average person in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's what she said.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
She also pointed out here something she said, Well, this
is a big risk for Hamas because they're giving up
their leverage.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
This is something that everybody. She sounds like a homage.
She sounds like a Hamas negotiator. Honestly, she sounds like
she could be doing the Hamas back and forth with
trump Et cetera herself.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And she's saying that because Hamas has told her that right,
she's not. She has bought into the idea that Hamas,
the average person in Gaza is being treated way worse
than the average hostage. Play that backside again and then
we'll play her apology where she tried to clean it up.
But sometimes you got to listen to people because they
(22:52):
will tell on themselves. And again, this was live television.
Christian naman par who owes seventy five percent of her
entire career, at least to the fact that she has
an interesting accent that makes her sound smarter than she is.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Listen, terrible, terrible two years for them, because not only
are they there, you know, they're probably being treated better
than the average garsen because they are the pawns and
the chips that Hamas had. Now Hamas has given up
all its leverage, by the way, by giving them all.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Up, probably being treated better than the average gozen. Christiana
modpoor on how the hostages are being treated. Okay, that
was I'm glad we played that. Then she had to
clean it up because a lot of people saw that
clip and said, my god, how did that air? And
(23:40):
here was clean up on asle Amanpour. This was CNN.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
I noticed that for the hostages who are finally home,
it'll take a long time for them to recover mentally
and physically. But I regret also saying that they might
have been treated better than many gardens because Hamas used
these hostages as pawns and bargaining chips. That was insensitive
and it was wrong. From speaking to many formal hostages
and their families. Like everyone, I've been horrified at what
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Hamas has subjected them to over two long years.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Okay, the first the first version was what she really thinks,
just to be correct. The apology was by CNN corporate
leadership saying, you moron, we don't want to have to
fire you after thirty years of you being an overpaid,
you know, zero, But you better go out there and
clean this up right away. But she actually believed the
first thing that she said, because there are a lot
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of people who have adopted this narrative of the gazas
the casualty. The real casualty figures for Gaza are something
like one percent of the overall population. That's the actual
ca So ninety nine percent of gausands in a so
called genocide and starvation scenario, ninety nine percent of them
are are not. We're not in any way killed or casual.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
The one percent is also important here, Buck, It's because
Homosages was using.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Them human shields, human shields, so it's not the number.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And look, Israel is imperfect, as everyone is in a
time of war. But this was probably the most targeted
attack on bad guys that we have ever seen in
the history of modern warfare, of warfare at all.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Remember, look at what they did in Iran. Some of
the things that they did.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
They went into apartment buildings and took out Iranian leaders
in the nuclear arms race and didn't even hit the
rest of the apartment. So when they're out there saying,
oh my goodness, all these people are innocent being killed.
Some innocent people are killed in times of war. That
is unfortunate, that is a reality. But that's an intentional
move by Hamas because they put so many of their
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facilities under hospitals, under schools, in places so they can
point and say, no, there's nothing wrong here. Remember Buck
in the early days, remember when every newspaper put that
Israel had hit a hospital, and then it came out
that it was actually Hamas that hit it, and it
just kind of van Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, this also, though, is a reminder when we want
to talk about the moral clarity with which people should
look at this conflict. They could have avoided a single
Palestinian casualty if Hamas just didn't do what it did,
didn't do October seventh, correct or even in the aftermath
of October seventh, the Hamas leadership. If the Palestinian people
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have been like, you know what, you take these bumps
and do with them whatever you want. They're out and
we're giving you back your hostages, and you take our
Hamas leaders and try them and execute those that, you
know whatever, they would have saved a lot of civilian
casualties that way too. But they chose to fight after
starting the fight. If you start a fight and then
(26:43):
you choose to fight, you don't get to cry when
you lose the fight, which is exactly what has been
going on here the whole time.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
By the way, President Trump just tweeted, we'll read this
maybe when we come back. He's been on the call
with Putin our whole show so far today, Buck, he
just hung up with Vladimir Putin, so he has been
talking for Putin. I mean we've been talking for an
hour and twenty minutes already. Before we started the show,
he was on the call with Putin. Well, hold on,
(27:10):
here we have I have just concluded my telephone conversation
with President Putin of Russia. Very productive one. President Putin
congratulated me in the United States on the great accomplishment
of peace in the Middle East, something that he said
has been dreamed about for centuries. I actually believe the
success in the Middle East will help in our negotiation
and attaining an end to the war with Russia Ukraine.
(27:32):
President Putin thanked First Lady of Milanya for her involvement
with children. Very appreciative, said this will continue. We also
spent a great deal of time talking about trade between
Russia and the United States when the war with Ukraine
is over. At the conclusion of the call, we agreed
there will be a meeting of our high level advisors
next week the United States.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Initial meetings will be led.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
By Secretary of State Marco Rubio, together with various other
people to be designated a meeting location to be de termined,
and President Putin and I will then meet in an
agreed upon location Buddapest, Hungary to see if we can
bring this inglorious war between Russia and Ukraine to an end.
President Zelensky and I will be meeting tomorrow in the
(28:14):
Oval Office, where we will discuss my conversation with President
Putin and much more. I believe great progress was made
with today's telephone conversation. That is President Trump two minutes ago.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I hope President Trump is right. Let's see. That's I
think where we have to be. We'll continue to look
at the details to see if we can get a
little more of a readout some of the specifics from
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Speaker 2 (30:16):
One is some of you been saying that Fetterman voted
to keep the government open. There's been a lot of
these votes, and until there's agreement from the Democrat side,
it's really just a going through the motions gesture. But
in a recent vote, as I see here two days ago,
six senators did not vote to reopen the government, including
(30:36):
Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania. So at least in a
recent one he didn't vote. Now, I guess he's been
vocally supportive of reopening the government as well. But you know,
let me see fetterman statement on the government is not
the reason the government is shut down. Look, the reality
is you got to get to sixty.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And I don't believe we've gotten to more than fifty
five or fifty six so far. I think they need
four more Democrats in order to open the government.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Path.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
According to Fetterman, he voted yes to extend the ACA
tax credits, but he won't vote for the shuttering of
the government, so he voted in favor of House and
Centive Democrats alternative Continuing Resolution in the Demo. Anyway, whatever, guys,
he's gone in the middle of this one. There's been
a bunch of different votes here. I'm just trying to see. Yeah,
(31:31):
he voted with the Democrats on this, but I guess
he says he wouldn't vote whatever. I don't know, I
like it.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I find Let me just say this, Eventually, the government
is going to reopen and we are going to run
unfortunately massive deficits for years. They're going to take a
lot of our money and they are going to continue
to spend it, and none of us are going to
be happy about it.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
So I also want to throw this out there. If
anyone of you have done we have a lot of
California listeners, many of you have done the Catalina Island
Channel swim, please call in. I want to hear what
it's like. I look this up because I was wondering.
Also because to me, swimming at night you're generally advised.
I know, maybe I'm a little too freaked out about sharks. Okay,
maybe we've established that I have a shark attack phobia
(32:16):
or something, but I've seen Jaws too many times. In fact,
I've seen all of them, and they get really bad
after Jaws too, I mean even Jaws. A lot of
money grabs going on. Yeah, yeah, they the Jaws movies.
Really they they sink to the bottom of the ocean,
if you ask me. But the reason they do it
at night Generally, you don't want to swim at night
(32:38):
because it's harder to find you rip tides and also sharks,
sharks and more active feeding at night. But the reason
they do it is because of all the heavy boat traffic,
boat boat traffic exactly so, which is even a bigger
risk to swimmers because there's a lot of boats that
are moving in that area and you don't want obviously
(32:58):
any problems with that. So that's why they do it
at night. Okay, clarified that the feederman vote thing sounds
like he's trying to play a little bit of both
sides on it. But nonetheless, uh, that's where we are.
So with that, sir, I wanted to where you wanted
to dive into your boy mom.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Donnie was on with here Martha McCall yesterday afternoon on
Fox News.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Not born in America, so cannot be president. Glad we clarified.
I had forgotten that he was Dan. Yep, you know
I actually randomide side note here, I had a good
friend in college who was Ugandan and he uh, his
father came home one day and said, pack a bag
(33:45):
to his family, to his two sons and his wife,
pack a bag right now, we are going to the airport.
And his uh. His father was a lawyer in Uganda
at the time of Idiomanes reign as president, but really
as dictator, right, he was effectively the dictator of Uganda
(34:07):
who was making perceived enemies disappear. And the story that
again my friend told me, was that his father showed
up to the law firm late one day he had
some other business or whatever, and all the partners had
been detained and disappeared. Yeah. Wow yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So anyway, Uganda, if you have I've told you, Hey,
he and the family got out of it.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They got out. Yeah, he made it out. You knew him.
His dad became a professor in this country. They by
the way, actual refugees right right, actual asylum seeker slash
refugee situation. That's what it's for. It's for someone's trying
to kill me just because I, you know, am like
(34:51):
an educated member of the political opposition. Will you please
take in my family? It is not hey, I just
crossed the border and I want to make more money
slash get access to your welfare anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
But if you have on the Uganda front, sorry to
remind you, Mamdanni's middle name is Quame. Remember we talked
about this, and he tried to pretend that he was
black for purposes of or mixed race for purposes of
his Colombia application when he clicked African American on the A.
(35:23):
I know a lot of people have stopped talking about that,
but he did that because he was born in Uganda
and his middle name, he's Zorn Quame, mom Donnie, and
so he was hoping I think that the admissions counselors
would think, oh, how many Quames from Africa are not
partly black, and that he would help him get into Colombia,
(35:45):
which did not work.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
By my Ugandan friend was most certainly black and uh
yes and uh yes uh and he fled. And I
would say, if you have not seen last King of Scotland.
That is a which deals with this. It's a fictionalize
but it degrees with with Idioman and what it was
like under his reign. And it is a It is
a great movie, underrated I think, and kind of forgotten now,
(36:09):
but a really really good watch.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Although the Christ Whitaker is the star in that movie, right,
really really he plays I also think later, Yeah, I
think of as an underrated actor in general.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Also, I think Forrest Whittaker. You know, people who know
know that he's actually really good, really good actor, and
he was phenomenal in that role. But yeah, he's Yeah,
some of the scenes are you're will kind of traumatize you.
I kind of wish they actually had toned it down
a little bit with some of the brutality. But anyway,
it's a very very good movie and there we have it,
(36:40):
okay now. Zoron Mumdani born in Uganda. Zoron Mumdani. Here
he is. When he sat down with Martha McCallum. She
got the exclusive yesterday to sit down with him on Fox.
And I will note that you're going to see Clay
More democrats who realize they have to do this now,
(37:00):
they have to be willing to sit down with not
puff media that's just going to tell them how amazing
they are because they don't have the same media ecosystem
dominance that they used to. So you're going to have
to go in and talk to people at Fox News.
You're increasingly I'm not saying it's going to be everywhere,
but you're going to see more of this. Look, Gavin
(37:21):
Newsom has been doing it, obviously because he wants to.
He does want to run for president. But he was asked.
Rammdani was asked about Hamas and whether they should lay
down their arms. This is cut twenty two. This is
what he said.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
I have no issue with critiquing Hamas or the Israeli
government because my critiques all come from a place of
universal human rights. And my focus, however, is right here
in New York City and transforming the most expensive city
in America into one that's affordable for each and ever
New Yorker.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
But okay, and I want to get to that absolutely,
But do you believe that Hamas should lay down their
weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
I believe that any future here in New York City
is one that we have to make sure that's affordable
for all, and as it pertains to Israel and Palestine
that we have and sure that there is peace, and
that is the future that we have to fight for.
Speaker 8 (38:03):
But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their
arms and give up leadership in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas
and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and
the fact that anything has to abide by international law,
and that applies to Hamas, that applies to Israeli military,
applies to anyone.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
You could ask me about Clay. It sounds a little
bit like Abigail Spanberger being asked about the trans issue,
where you hear a bunch of words but you don't
get much of an answer.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Martha is, I think one of the best interviewers in news,
and that's a very direct question. Should the terror organization
lay down their arms or not so we can have
peace in the Middle East. That's effectively what Martha is asking,
and he, to your point, went full Abigail Spanburger and
(38:50):
just talked his way out of having to answer that question. Look, mom,
Donnie is really glib, He is really articulate. He is
a handsome guy. He's way better at saying nothing than
Abigail Spamberger is, and he smiles, and he knows how
(39:10):
to play the television game. And I am glad that
he was born in Uganda because earlier, when you were
talking about it, I've thought through this. He would one
hundred percent have an American presidential future in his horizon
if he had been born in the United States, because
he is that good at being disarming. He's wrong about everything,
(39:34):
I want to be clear, wrong about everything, but talks
a good game. And there are a lot of people
out there that if you smile. I have talked about
this with people on television for years. You can deliver
absolute missiles if you smile while you're do it. And
(39:56):
if the better looking you are, the more you can
get away with it. I joked about this with Tommy Laren,
who works it out kick go listen to some of
the some of the bullets that Tommy Larn metaphorically is firing.
But she is so good at smiling while she does it,
(40:17):
and she is gutting people and.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
They don't even realize it. And Mom Donnie is a handsome,
good looking, telligenic.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Disciple of all the wrong messaging, but he does it
so well that a lot of people just don't even
recognize what he's arguing. And then there are other things
that really appeal to young people. Hey, groceries are too expensive.
Why doesn't the city of New York just run its
own grocery store and then everything will be cheaper. Hey, man,
(40:51):
rent's really expensive. We should just freeze rent. That'll solve
all the problems. When you lack basic echon knowledge, you
come up with lots of answers to challenging situations that
actually make the challenging situation worse. But they have the
illusion of success for people who are often too young
(41:14):
or too ignorant to recognize that they're going to end
up in a worse shape. You know who doesn't get
frozen buck mortgage, the mortgages that the landlords have to pay,
like their rates of payments don't get helped.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I mean, it's all broken. You're leading right into what
I wanted to dive into, which is as somebody who
lived in New York and had to deal with I
mean I was like thirty and had four roommates, right,
I mean, this is it's a very tough place to
make it go. Of it. But the reasons for it
are not lack of government intervention. The reasons for it
are largely I would argue government doing too many things
(41:54):
the wrong way and thinking that it can just create
by Fiat market conditions, right, and then those market conditions
that actually exist after the government intervention happens are the same
thing in California housing. By the way, California, it's like,
why is housing so expensive? Why is a house so
(42:14):
expensive in California. Well, it's because there's all these regulations
and all these permits and all these things that go
into the process. You know, recently they did an analysis
clay and I think it was in Canada, another very
liberal place, right left wing place, and something like fifty
percent of the cost of a new house in Canada
is purely regulation, taxes and permits fifty percent. And I mean,
(42:37):
if you looked at what it is in California. Remember
when they were going to build a million dollar porta
potty essentially, I think it was in San Francisco. They
were going to spend a million dollars on a public,
single occupancy bathroom. Everybody that's a porta potty. How do
you spend a million dollars on a porta potty California. Yeah,
the newsom has an answer for you. New York City,
(43:00):
twenty percent of New Yorkers, something like a one point
four million people are in subsidize almost free, depends on
which conversation subsidize housing. And then they make it very
expensive and very difficult to create new housing. Guess what
this makes market conditions where everything is priced here. The
(43:23):
two percent surcharge that Mamdannie says he's going to charge
on incomes to make life less expensive for people is
a joke. It is not even scratching at the problem.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
It also reminds me of your bathroom analogy. You remember
when they were gonna build a nationwide network of charging
stations for all the vehicles, and then the numbers came
out that they had spent billions of dollars and somehow
added like seven charging stations. The government can't do anything
efficiently or effectively, which is why we need to get
the government out of as much as we possibly can.
(43:58):
We'll play a couple more of these Donnie kuts, because
I do think they're very significant. Also, we got Obama
coming in to the Virginia governor's race, and I saw
this aoc on masculinity. But also, Buck, did you see
that AI articles now make up the majority of articles
published on the internet already, just in the two years
(44:21):
that AI has taken off.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I think this is the book industry, which you and
I are still in for what it's worth. I don't
know what's going to happen now. It's gone from ghostwriters
to AI writers. Is what you're going to see. I
can tell you I wrote my book, and I know
Clay wrote his book. Because I know the people in
the publishing industry who are reading these things. That's unfortunately
going to become a vanishingly small number of books that
you're actually able to buy, no doubt.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us. We've got a bunch
of different stories that we are chasing.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Today.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
President Trump had a multi hour long call with Vladimir Putin.
The impact of that call, according to President Trump's statements,
are that there will be a meeting between Trump and
Putin in Budapest and that there will be a meeting
very soon between high level advisors the United States. Initial
(46:51):
meeting will be led, according to President Trump, by Secretary
of State Marco Rubio, and a meeting location to be determined.
So the goal there to try and end the war
that is taking place right now in Ukraine. President Trump
writing a great deal of momentum off of the release
(47:12):
of the hostages and the positive directions that things are
moving in that context. Now, we also have John Fetterman
potentially facing a Senate challenge for not being committed enough
to crazy left wing ideals.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
That is according to an Axios report.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
We've been talking about Mom Donnie making his initial appearance
on Fox News, Martha McCollum asking the big questions of
Mom Donnie and Mom Donnie being frankly very good at
dodging responsibility for much of his public commentary. Now, he
did say, Buck, and I think we have this audio.
(47:53):
I want to make sure we pull it up. He
did publicly apologize to police officers for saying that he
had previously said they should be defunded. He also said
it was too early to give Trump credit for the
Gaza peace deal, and so let me hit a couple
of those.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Here is cut twenty three.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Martha McCollum says, hey, does President Trump deserve credit for
the peace deal? And Mom Donnie said it's too early,
cut twenty three.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still
just this in the last few days, that five Palestines
were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives
me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration
at a moment when it is still so in its infancy.
And what I will tell you is that in that
same moment, it is also one that requires a focus
on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better
(48:44):
future is one that is emblematic in our policies right
here in New York City as well. And that's what
we're hoping to lead with Willie, would.
Speaker 8 (48:49):
You give President Trump credit or not to any extent
credit or not.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I think it's too early to do so, too early
to say.
Speaker 5 (48:54):
But if it proves to be something that is lasting,
something that is durable, then I think that that's where
you give credit.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Can I just one quick thing, Clay, because we talked
about it. He's saying, the five Palestinians were killed. Where
where's the outrage, where's the condemnation, or even just the
conversation about the public executions, you know, summary judgment and
execution of captives by Hamas that occurred in the last
(49:20):
twenty four hours. I mean they're they're they're bounding and gag,
I know, gagging, tying up, blindfolding, and shooting people in
the back of the head on the street. And there's
I don't see any of these people that are so
concerned about gosins concerned about those gosins. It seems quite strange.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, And I also think it's funny the way this
is covered. Uh there's a big article in New York
Times about Mom Donnie going on uh the Martha McCollums show.
Here's a couple of the paragraphs. This is how the
New York Times covered it. Since mister mom Donnie's rapid
rise to the top of New York City politics, Fox
News has led a right wing media effort to characterize
him as an avatar of the Democrat Party grown too
(50:01):
beholden to its factions on the far left. The network's
contributors often point to his thin political experience, past comments
about law enforcement and proposals to increase taxes on New
York's wealthiest residents as both disqualifying and dangerous to New
York City, America's largest financial center.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Yes, this is all very accurate.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
And it's written as if it's like, Oh, my goodness,
can you believe all the crazy things they say on
Fox News about mom Donnie. He wants to tax everyone
who makes money in New York City into virtual oblivion.
So that is one star of the New York City
Democrat Party. Now the other star of the New York
City Democrat Party in New York City is AOC. And
(50:47):
I wanted to play this for you, Buck. This was
last night Bernie Sanders and AOC had a town hall
with Caitlyn Collins and she was asked AOC was why
are Republicans successful on law and Uh, she said two
different things. One because uh, they we'll just listen to her.
I won't characterize it. Here's cut eighteen.
Speaker 9 (51:09):
When they talk about Republicans and their success online. They
have been successful because they have also been very clear,
especially digitally, about what they believe. That women are inferior,
that do not and they do not deserve equal rights.
That they believe that lgbt Q Americans are subhuman, that
(51:30):
they believe and are circulating disgusting racial and and white
supremacist messaging, that they are able to get away with
digital digitally and.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Online, get get away with this is they have no
hope for young men. I mean, I just wrote a
book it's coming out called Ball's Buck. But this is
this is not a good pitch. I just don't think
AOC is very aware of how the internet works. Based
on that answer, I want AOC to be the great
(52:03):
commie splainer of masculinity for the Democrats. I want her
to be out in the forefront telling all young men
because they have.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
As Democrats would say, their lived experience. They have been
through men, particularly now in their twenties. They've been through
the COVID shutdowns and the complete eradication of free speech,
scientific inquiry, and everything else that the left manufactured during that.
They've been through the toxic masculinity talks. They've been through
(52:34):
CNN doing documentaries about how college campuses are quote like
hunting grounds for the constant sexual assaults and sexual abusers
that are other college students. That's what they're saying. They've
been through all of this, and they know that something
is really wrong with the Democrat Party. And if the
(52:55):
Democrat Party's response is going to be no, actually, your
toxic masculinity is the problem. Great, stay with that. Stay
on that. Democrats have AOC tell young men how they
should really feel about things, and if they don't agree
with her, it's because they're sexist and racist. Love it,
keep it going, Blast it from the rooftops. That's exactly
(53:17):
what she did in Cut nineteen buck. She's listening to you.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
She's running the game plan Cut nineteen AOC last night
on CNN.
Speaker 9 (53:24):
They are able to radicalize and target and exploit a
generation of young boys, in particular, away from healthy masculinity
and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of
others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender
(53:46):
than them, and that is why they are resonating online,
because they are appealing to the most basist and worst
parts of human nature.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
And I think about this all the time because I've
got three boys, and also because I just wrote the
book Book. But the Democrat brand it has become a
slur for young men. They will accuse each other of
being Democrats. Black men, white men, Asian men, Hispanic men,
teenage young men. I don't know how they come back
(54:24):
from this. I am very certain that it is not
by having a woman lecture young men that they are
actually toxic, because that's why they've left in the first place.
We don't talk ever. Have you ever heard anybody talk
about toxic femininity. Have you ever heard a huge national
(54:45):
discussion about how women are toxic and they are destroying
the country. Maybe we need to have that conversation because
liberal women are toxic and they are destroying the country.
But young men have been told their entire lives that
they are the problem. And this is me getting on
the soapbox because I think about this so much. Buck,
(55:06):
I see the world through the eyes of my kids.
You and I are roughly of the age, and a
lot of listeners are out there where we were raised
in the idea that men and women should both be
able to aspire to the apex of success, whatever it
might be. Become president, fud fly a plane, whatever you
(55:27):
want to do, be an astronaut. Everyone should be able
to aspire to the apex to pursue the meritocracy to
the fullest extent of their ability. And I think everybody
out there nods along and says, yeah, that's good. Men,
women be the best, be the best that you can be.
There's a difference between be the best that you can be,
which I would say is the culture and era in
which you and I were raised and women are better
(55:51):
than men. And sometime around and I don't know the
exact year, but sometime around two thoy twelve ten fourteen,
in that era of social media rising and Barack Obama,
we moved from women and men should both be able
to be as successful as they possibly can to men
(56:13):
are bad. Certainly me too accelerated it and women are
better than men. And we this is the era now
that young men are being raised in and they're looking
around and saying, why am I being blamed for everything?
In America? Actually America is awesome first of all. Secondly,
to a large degree, America is awesome because of brave
men and women. But a lot of brave men and
(56:36):
masculinity isn't toxic at all. And so that is I
think the foundational issue that emerged in twenty twenty four,
and Democrats don't seem capable of addressing it in any
way that is going to be successful.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I think it's getting worse for them. I think you
could not have civilization as we have come to know
it without men embracing their masculinity. Yes, I think that
if it were not for men who were willing to
put their lives on the line and lose their lives
to fight for something bigger than themselves, if it were
(57:12):
not for men who would spend the longest of hours
and make tremendous personal sacrifice and in a sense give
their lives in a different way to the pursuit of
incredible inventions or exploration or technological advancement or building something,
(57:34):
whether it's a skyscraper, a manufacturing plant, or a cathedral. Right,
if it weren't for men willing to take masculinity in
its different forms to the extreme or to its maybe
its most appropriate you could argue level its highest level.
(57:54):
Then we would not have a civilization that we enjoy
right now, and that I think is for gotten or
rather entirely suppressed by the angry and bitter feminist left,
which has sadly tragically led an entire generation, really now
a couple of generations of American women who buy into
that stuff down a pathway that is not fulfilling, that
(58:18):
is filled with bitterness and self pity, and is ultimately
a bad life course. And this is just the reality
that you see. I mean, I've said this before. I've
had this talk with many people, including in my own family,
that I think the sex and the city ification of
American women has been horrendously undermining for their long term happiness.
(58:41):
And I know they can say, oh, I'm man explaining
I'm a man, what do wh I know? You know,
I'm in my forties. I've seen a lot, and I
pay attention, and I actually want what's best for men
and for women in this country. And there's been a
huge departure from civilizational norms that are the basis for
building our civilization, which is, of course family cohesion. It
(59:01):
is male and female parental roles and spousal roles and
roles within a civilization itself, within society, and we pay
the price for that. And you can just see this
all around, Clay. It's a very sad thing. We've talked
with this in their day. I know so many women
now because they're my age that I grew up with
in New York who did this sort of eat, prey
(59:23):
love through your twenties and thirties thing. And maybe they
had some job in I don't know, you know, marketing
or PR or advertising or something that they liked, but
weren't really that invested in, not like a life's calling.
They're not heart surgeons. And now they're unmarried. They look around,
they don't have families. It's hard to start a family
at that age. Biological reality kicks in. Being forty four
year old woman, it's not easy to have kids. And
(59:47):
they look around and they want someone to explain this
to them, and unfortunately, the Democrats say it's men's fault, yes,
and that's not true. So this is where we are.
I don't know if people can see it in some
other lens or some other men are, but men, I
think see this and say to themselves, I didn't cause this,
(01:00:07):
And actually it was the people saying that toxic, that
men are toxic, that convince women to go down this
pathway where effectively they are trying to compete with and
act as men in ways that are not going to
be fulfilled. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think that's all said, and I've spent a ton
of time. I love this topic. This is a big
part of the book. There's a difference between equality and sameness.
You can treat everyone equal, but it doesn't mean that
they're the same. And we spend so much time on
this idea to kind of build on what you said
and kind of maybe distill it a little bit. We
(01:00:44):
have told men they should be more like women, and
we have told women they should be more like men.
And the result is men don't like by and large,
women who act like men, and women do not like
men who act like women. And so when you're trying
to androgenize the sexes, you're actually driving everybody unhappily away
(01:01:07):
from each other. And to Buck's point, this is what
you end up with a lot of people who are
sitting around saying, wait a minute, I made all these
good choices, and I wanted to have kids and I
can't find a man.
Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It's the man's fault. That's where we are. And they
vote Democrat. And if I had to take a wild
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