October 17, 2025 • 64 mins
Gross Bolton
The bombshell indictment of former National Security Advisor John Bolton on charges related to the transmission and retention of national defense information. Buck explains the gravity of the allegations, noting Bolton allegedly kept top-secret material and wrote detailed diary entries from classified meetings for a future book deal.
The hosts break down the legal complexities, including the “graymail” defense, the role of secure facilities (SCIFs), and why Bolton’s case differs from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago documents controversy. They also compare Bolton’s situation to Hillary Clinton’s email scandal and Joe Biden’s classified document mishandling, highlighting what they call a double standard in DOJ enforcement.
What is Curtis Doing?
Clay and Buck dissect polling data showing Zohran Momani with an 18-point lead, making an Andrew Cuomo comeback nearly impossible unless Curtis Sliwa exits the race. Buck argues that Sliwa’s continued candidacy splits the anti-Momani vote, virtually guaranteeing a far-left victory.
Clay controversially suggests that a Momani win could benefit Republicans nationally by highlighting progressive failures, potentially boosting Elise Stefanik’s chances against Gov. Kathy Hochul in 2026. They spotlight Stefanik’s fiery statement labeling Momani a “jihadist” for his pro-Hamas stance, noting the reluctance of Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries to endorse him.
The conversation shifts to public safety and policing, analyzing Momani’s hollow apology to NYPD officers and his proposal to make public transit free by hiking taxes on top earners and corporations. Clay and Buck argue that safety and cleanliness—not cost—are the real issues plaguing New York’s transit system.
Tensions in Venezuela
An in-depth interview with former Navy SEAL and Clay & Buck Podcast Network host David Rutherford. Rutherford provides expert insight into escalating tensions in Venezuela, where U.S. forces have conducted kinetic strikes on narco-terrorist boats linked to Mexican cartels. He details China’s $60 billion investment in Venezuela, cartel bounties on U.S. border agents, and the likelihood of joint special operations missions ramping up.
Rutherford predicts Maduro may seek a deal to retain power but warns of growing pressure for UN-supervised elections and U.S. leverage over Venezuela’s oil industry. The discussion also touches on cartel strategies, potential civil unrest, and the geopolitical tug-of-war involving China and BRICS nations.
The hour closes with a caller emphasizing the entrenched corruption in Venezuela, naming narco kingpin Diosdado Cabello as a key player alongside Maduro. Clay and Buck underscore how these developments tie into falling oil and gas prices, now at their lowest since 2021—a major economic win that’s flying under the radar.
The Two FBI's
Former FBI agent Nicole Parker joins the show to discuss her explosive new book, The Two FBIs: The Bravery and Betrayal I Saw in My Time at the Bureau. Parker calls the John Bolton indictment “solid” and praises the current DOJ and FBI leadership under Pam Bondi and Cash Patel for restoring equal enforcement of the law. She details the internal “civil war” between rank-and-file agents (FBI One) and politically weaponized factions (FBI Two), exposing how diversity initiatives and partisan agendas undermined the Bureau’s mission.
Parker recounts shocking stories, including agents refusing to participate in the Mar-a-Lago raid, CNN being tipped off, and the tragic death of her best friend during a child exploitation operation—while SWAT resources were diverted to January 6th cases. Her insights raise critical questions about whether cultural reforms at the FBI can withstand future political swings.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Friday edition of the Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
gets going right now and we have much to discuss.
You have another strike on a suspected cartel drug vessel
off the coast of Venezuela and the Caribbean. This time
around there are survivors. I think this was an undersea
(00:22):
meaning submersible like a It's like a submarine, but just
a few feet below the surface.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
So we will talk a bit more about what's going
on with this war, a real war on drug It's
not just a metaphorical war on drugs.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This is real war on drug stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And we'll talk to our friend, former Davy Seal Dave
Rutherford about this later on. He well, he knows about
special operations for sure. He's also a host in the
Clay and Buck podcast network, so we'll have a conversation
with him.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We've also gotten Nicole Parker in the third hour.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
She's a former FBI agent, and we'll talk to her
about everything going on over at the bureau, the Kombe indictment,
and also, yes, the big news story of the day today,
which is the indictment of former National Security advisor Bolton.
(01:13):
So John Bolton is now facing a whole lot of
charges relating to transmission of and retention of national defense information.
This is going to be already play. It's a case
that has a lot of people speaking about the politics involved,
(01:37):
and they're talking about this whole situation as though it
is just Trump doing things that he shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And trying to settle scores.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I read the indictment and it primarily relates to
John Bolton going home from his job as National Security Advisor,
where you see you can see anything near the National
Security Advisor, meaning you're cleared for the most sensitive compartmented stuff,
covert actions in foreign countries, very sensitive collection methods, you know,
(02:13):
you name it, right, I mean the nuclear arsenal, whatever
you want to know. When you're NSA, you can know,
and you are seeing that stuff on a daily basis.
Bolton was going home Clay while he was serving as
Trump's National Security Advisor and writing a diary of all
of his conversations so that he could put it in
a book. Now, that is bizarre behavior. And I would
(02:38):
tell you that if I had a friend in the
national security world who said, hey, I've got a plan.
I'm going to just sit and classified briefings and reclassified
stuff all day, and then I'm going to go home
and I'm going to relay what I I mean, when
I was at CIA, they said, you don't talk to
your family about what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, they brought it to me. By the way, not
having been in the CIA, it seems like that's kind
of important for top secret information. Like when I would
go home if I got a call from my mom
when I and I was just a lowly analyst, but
if I got a call from my mom, I was like,
you know, mom, we're working on this this sensitive counter
terrorism platform and we're gonna be able to blow up
(03:20):
bad guys in this province because of it. And man,
I hit some bureaucracy on that one, like no, you
don't do that. Now they're saying in the indictment that
the stuff that.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He was relaying Clay would be classified up to the
top secret sci compartmented level. So I mean, this is
they're saying, it's very sensitive stuff. And they lay out, now,
this is interesting. You can't see the information right because
then you're they're sharing classify with everybody. So there's a
little bit of taking the government's word for it that
(03:51):
has to go on here. They call this the gray
mail defense, where they say, well, if people could only
know that this information is what you're talking about, it's
actually not that sensitive. So that's going to be one
of the ways they fight on this. The other thing
is going to be I've seen reporting that there were
marked classified documents in his home, but essentially the primary
(04:12):
part of the indictment is that he was writing down
stuff from his meetings that was clearly classified, emailing it
to family members, and preparing it in a diary every day,
and that is I think he's got some big problems here.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So this is one of those things where it's almost
not that complicated of a case to prove it would
be my analysis as someone who has never been involved
in top secret documents. You've talked about this before, that,
for instance, Joe Biden taking things out as a senator
(04:46):
that are marked top secret and storing it in his
garage and bragging about it on tape with his autobiographer,
that these are things that are relatively easy to prove
because their form of strict liability. You either did or
did not do it, And so the intent matters less.
(05:07):
I haven't seen there are eighteen counts brought in this indictment.
Unlike we saw with Letitia James, and unlike we saw
with James Comey, I haven't seen the same level of
oh my goodness, this is a unbelievable act by Trump.
And I think it's because one, this investigation started under
(05:29):
Joe Biden, and then I would suspect bucks, see if
you sign off on this or co sign on this.
As soon as they realized that Joe Biden had classified documents,
they really started waving their arms and saying, let's just
this classified. Remember initially when mar A Lago, they took
a picture of it on the ground and everybody just
grabbed their pearls and fell on their fainting couch. Even
(05:52):
though Trump had been the president to talk about how
this was an unbelievable jeopardy of national security and this
was very, very serious and there's no way that Trump
was going to be able to escape prosecution on it.
And then you remember when they found out that Biden
had all these classified documents, not just in his home
garage beside the corvette, but also I think in his
(06:13):
office at University of Pennsylvania and in his office in Washington,
d C. And they just kept finding all these classified documents.
The idea that classified documents and having them was a
crime that was one of the greatest that could be
committed by anyone in our nation. They just basically stopped.
And so I think they were smart enough to recognize
they couldn't prosecute John Bolton because Joe Biden has had
(06:37):
his own classified documents. But this was an investigation that
to a large extent, was taking place while Joe Biden
was president and the raid, remember even the criticism of
the early morning raid, which now we know it appears
they found documents that are indicative of crimes being committed.
I don't feel like everybody's lining up to argue this
(06:58):
is a this is Trump exceeding the bounds of presidential authority.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I would tell you the Wall Street Journal, to my surprise,
went all out on Bolton's defense, pretty much on their
real age.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They did.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes, Wall Street Journal has been breaking with Trump on
a number of things.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I think they're a little.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Bit bitter over there because their consensus on trade stuff
has really undermined. That's a core competency you would think
for the Wall Street Journal, and I think Trump on
trade has looked a lot savvier than they gave him
credit for, and a lot of their warnings have seemed
like they were incorrect.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But yeah, they went all in on defense of John
Bolton on this when they're saying this is clearly a
political effectively political payback because Bolton was such a critic
of the Trump administration. Now it's interesting because the Biden
administration dropped this probe, and I think you might be
able to see or argue that Biden's team dropped the
(07:59):
probe because he was such a Trump critic. They're like, oh, well,
this guy, we kind of like what he's doing. Former
National Security advisor is sticking his thumb in Trump's eye,
and you know, let's let's let this keep going. The
defense though for both and as I see it is
going to be a couple of things. One and I
see different things on this. If he had marked classified
(08:21):
documents at home, he's going to have to take a
plea deal unless there's gonna be much way.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
To really defend. For your perspective, Trump's defense was I'm president,
so I can declassify anything. Now people try to argue
against it. But Bolton, as his positions, does not have
that as a potential defense.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Direc there's no defense of he had a skiff. This
comes up in the indictment, a secure compartmented information facility,
a little secure room where he was allowed to have classified.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
In his home.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And and he also got hacked by the Iranians, I
might add on his personal email, so that comes up
in this too. This is all the indictment. But he
was allowed to have classify documents at his home, and
then he wasn't when the skiff, when he no longer
had that government job. This skiff essentially goes away, as
does your right to have any classified documents at home. Okay,
(09:11):
so what he's going to say is my recollections of
meetings I did not believe to be classified information, and
nobody else would think it's classified information. And what I
put in the book got cleared through the White House,
So clearly it's not classified information in some cases or
(09:32):
maybe in all cases, because you know this is this
goes to what Komy did as well. Contemporaneous notes of
a classified discussion can or can you know, can be
or aren't necessarily classified?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Right, So let me, let me, let me pause you there,
because I this is me putting on my lawyer hat.
If I can't take the actual classified documents out because
it would be a crime, it doesn't make sense to
me that I can take a yellow legal pad in
and write down what's on the classified documents, yes, and
(10:08):
then take it outside of my house. And let me
explain if everybody out there listening, if my yellow legal
pad was stolen, which recited the information that was on
a classified document, the practical impact of an enemy getting
the information is the same whether it's written on my
yellow legal pad or shared in an email or anything else,
(10:29):
as it would be if I was in physical possession
of the document itself. Right, So for me, that's a
distinction that should not be a difference of magnitude from
a practical perspective. That is correct.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The fundamentally the information is what is classified, correct, It
is not the marketing. And this came up with the
Hillary thing too, right, because she says, well, it wasn't
mark classified. Now in Hillary's case, they were xeroxing classified
and putting it in the emails. I mean that she
absolutely broke national defense law. She absolutely could have and
(11:04):
should have been prosecuted, no question. Okay, that was actually
like open and shutcase. As much as everyone at the time,
because they wanted her to be president, tried to defend
from the Democrat side on this side, or rather on
this case. Both In is going to say, the things
that I wrote down were not actually classified from those meetings,
(11:26):
and the things that I wrote down were the basis
for a book that was cleared by the White House.
Therefore nothing is actually like he's just going to argue
the information isn't classified, and this becomes a tough case
for the government because the government has to convince people
that it is classified.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Now, I think the jury will be able to see this.
I don't know. Some have never been involved in a
classified case, but I don't understand how you could convict
someone without showing what was classified that the person had
in their possession, even though to your point, that further
exposes national security because twelve random people on a jury
(12:04):
suddenly get the news about whatever classified documents that Bolton
was holding, which would theoretically allow even more of a
national security issue.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, this is where this is a little bit
like the pornography. I know it when I see it
classified to those who have held the clearance. You know
when you see it. You know, if Bolton was going
home writing down from his meetings, which he very well
could have, Oh, we're going to do a strike tomorrow
on Abu Jihad in this country using you know hell
(12:33):
fire missiles which were launching out of this allied country's
you know airspace.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's very very classified.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The fact that it's not Mark classified as he writes
it down does not change because to your point, well,
then I could sit there in this I could sit
there and Langley and read about all the covert actions
and then just get on a phone and call somebody
and talk about it and like I'm not My words
aren't Mark classific. The information is what is classified, and
it is your responsibility, as somebody with access to it
(13:03):
to know. You know where these lines are and what
you where you can operate well. And this is where
I come back to. I understand the importance of taking notes.
I mean every lawyer does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's why I do the entire show every day on
yellow legal pads, right, that's all I have. But those notes,
if they are truly classified information, should not be able
to leave a secure place your brain should be the
place where you keep extremely classified information.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, I think again, I think that what he was doing,
Clay was going home and writing a diary entry based
on his meetings. Yeah, so it's not contemporaneous in the
meeting notes. I think I got it. I might have
to go back and check this in the indictment, because
you know, I had to read the whole thing this morning.
My sense is he was creating diary entries day to day, which,
(13:55):
by the way, the notion that you would create a
diary like this when you're the national secut your advisor
so you can write a book is so gross. It's
not about your book that no one's going to read.
Like you're supposed to be keeping Americans safe and protecting
our interests. This thing, This goes to a lot of things,
and everybody listening is out of clearance, knows what I'm
gonna say. There's this idea the like people actually doing
(14:18):
the work every day in the national security apparatus, military side,
civilian side, they are expected to be perfect with all
this stuff or their lives are ruined. But when you
get to be senior enough, it's all about whatever publishing
house you know wants to give you the biggest book deal,
and that matters more than the law and your oath,
and I think people are sick of that, and this
(14:39):
this is there's the legal aspect of his claim. There's
also the it's kind of just gross. The way that
he was doing this was just gross because it was
all meant to hit Trump too. So he's working for Trump,
trying to undermine Trump, using national security information to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I think that's one hundred percent correct. And so
again I will be curious to see how this plays out,
but not a not a strong position in general to
break down. I mean, I think beyond a shadow of
a doubt, so John Bolton latest, I think the question
(15:15):
is how many more people are going to get charges
brought and how many of these people are eventually going
to get convicted versus a jury pool that is likely
predisposed to not like Trump, although you know, Trump's approval
ratings starting to go up, So maybe even in Northern Virginia,
there are people who are having their having their expectations
(15:36):
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Welcome back in our number two Friday edition, Clay and Buck.
I am down on the north side of Florida, on
the beautiful Panhandle. Buck is down on the south side
of Florida in Miami. We are covering both sides of
the state and all sides of the country as we
take you into the weekend. And I want to play
(18:22):
a cut for you to kind of put a bow
on the discussion that we had surrounding the John Bolton
eighteen felony counts that he has been charged with. Even
on MSNBC, when the indictment came out and they reviewed
the charges against him, they said, uh oh, this is
not very good for John Bolton. Here is MSNBC's guest
(18:47):
cut thirty three. Listen. It doesn't look good for him.
There's no way to slice it. The details of this
indictment do not look good. Okay. That's former White House
Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews. And so if CNN and
MSNBC are actually saying, uh oh, that is a huge mess,
it probably is a huge mess for John Bolton, and
(19:09):
we've talked about that a lot in an hour. One
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us on wherever you may be across the country. A
whole first hour much of the discussion about John Bolton. Now,
there were two different debates last night. For those of
you who have been following this closely, this is an
(19:29):
off year and there are not a ton of races
going on, but the New Jersey governor's race, the Virginia
governor's race, and now the Virginia Attorney General's race in
conjunction with the New York City mayor's race, will give
you some sense maybe of the political environment in general. Now,
to be fair, Kamala won New Jersey by five or
(19:50):
six points, she won Virginia by five or six points,
and obviously New York City, even though it moved in
Trump's direction, these are all Democrat bases. So I'm not
sure how much you can tell what the impact is
going to be going forward. Uh So, all of that
in mind, but within the context of these debates, I
(20:11):
just got to be honest buck, You're a lifelong New
York City resident who moved to Miami. What is Curtis
Leewa doing. Mom Donnie is going to win this race
as long as he stays in it. And I get it.
If some of you say, well, Andrew Cuomo is no better,
I'm going to vote for Curtis Sliwa, I get it.
But whenever there is an anti Mom Donnie vote that
(20:32):
is being split, it means Mom Donnie is going to win. Uh.
And so I just I don't understand at all what
is going on here, and Mam Donnie just went aggressively
after Andrew Cuomo. Will play a couple of those a
couple of those cuts, But I do want to play
(20:54):
this from Harry Enton, who just lays out the math
on Mom Donnie is gonna win. This is cut thirty one.
Mamdanni leads by eighteen points.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Right now, look at the largest polling average miss since
nineteen hundred and eighty nine. You know what it was,
It was eleven points. You don't gonna be a mathematical
genius to know eleven points is less than eighteen points.
So if Andrew Cuomo is going to come back and win,
either something like Curtis Leewa has to drop out of
the race, or you need a polling miss that is
(21:26):
nearly twice as large as the largest.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Miss on record.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
So you're gonna probably need something historically unprecedented for Andrew
Cuomo to win this race if the polling average holds
through election day.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, Buck, what am I missing here? Now? I have
previously said, and I'm sorry to the WR listeners. I'm
sorry to all of you in New York City. I
have previously said, I actually think Mam Donnie Win, a
Mam Donnie Win is beneficial to the nation because it
forces a far left wing Bucks shaking his head. He's
(22:01):
already he's already getting rueful look on his face.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Hey, I thought we're all I thought all we conservatives
were on this lifeboat together. And Clay is taking New
York and the christ State area conservatives. Me's saying, just
like just like Jack, there was no room for him
on the door with Rose. He's letting New Yorkers just
slide into the icy depths after the Titanic has gone down.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And I'm not okay with that. I would I'm rolling
my lifeboat over to you New Yorkers. I want you
to be Okay, water's cold, there's no room for the
rest of us. Sometimes you just got to toss New
York City in. Let it, much like Buck Island, as
another island, go underneath the waves of left wing insanity
and h and let the rest of us live to
see a happier day. So I actually don't know that
(22:47):
this is a bad result for the national picture as
it pertains to the House of Representatives, as it pertains
to all of the Senate races, governor's races in the
midterms coming up in twenty twenty six. But but there
is no other result here for New Yorkers. Mom, Donnie
(23:07):
is gonna win as long as Curtis Sleewa stays in
the race. Buck, You're a lifelong New York City guy
until a couple of years ago. What's going on here?
What is the calculus other than I want the attention
and I want the the Uh. I think it's just
attention because you're not gonna win for Curtis Sleewa, who
I like. We've had him on the show a bunch.
(23:28):
I just don't understand what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Look, uh, I you know I appreciate where Curtis is
coming from us.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I don't know him. I don't know him, but we've
had him on the show before and I like him.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I mean, he's yeah, and would he be would he
be a great mayor? Yeah, sure he would. Really, he'd
be so much better. But we got to look at
the political reality as it is here. And you said,
I'm a I'm a former New Yorker, which the the
Gertrude Stein thing. America is my country, but Paris is
my home. It feels like Florida is my state, but
New York City is my hometown. You know that's I
(24:05):
feel like a Floridian at the state level. But I
still have much more of a connection to New York
City than I do to Miami specifically. That may change
in time, But so maybe I'm a New Yorker in
exile in some way. I think a lot of people
down here are actually Clay. I think what you need
(24:26):
to do is have Cuomo offer I was gonna say, Mom, Donnie,
that's not good. Gonna have Cuomo offer Sliwa maybe a
deputy mayor role with the portfolio of public safety, which
would also go toward the fact that Cuomo is the
jail break.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I mean, the problem here is Cuomo is awful too.
I'm actually not getting the fact that he's considered in
any way to be the savior. Is how bad of
a position that New York City has put itself in.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I am not that convinced that Cuomo would be a
lot better than mom. Do Do I think he'd be
better than Mam Donnie. Yeah, I'm not convinced he'd be
a lot better than Mam Donni. So that's why it's
very hard for me to even I think the mentality is,
oh my gosh, I'm not gonna do what the Left
(25:14):
does with like a Hitler thing, but like, oh, that
Hitler guy's awful. Thank god, we've got Stalin on our side,
you know, Like there's a little bit of that going
on here.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Stalin was really bad too. Uh So I think that Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is Stalin in this analogy, And I think that it's
very hard for Sliwa to see this as anything other
than maybe a miracle happens. But I can't let this
be left to Cuomo either. But if you if you
want it to not be Mam donnie, he's got to
get some deal going, and he's got to drop out,
and why he won't drop out, I don't know. He's
not going to be mayor unless a meteor hits the
(25:49):
world and something completely unforeseeable happens.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now, let me give you a positive side of this,
because mam Donnie's gonna win. I want all of you
to be prepared for this. I know the guy we
had call in who was all angry at me for
telling you this. This is not the polls trying to
tell you a story. This is Mamdanni is gonna win
because the Mamdanni opposition is going to be split between
Sliwa and Cuomo. Could be beneficial. Let me give you
(26:14):
a positive New York angle. Could be beneficial for Elised Stephonic,
who is running to try to beat Kathy Hokel in
twenty twenty six. In fact, this is what Elis Stephonic
just put out. The New York Times was upset that
Elis Stephonics said that that Mamdanni is a Jihattist. They
(26:34):
said that this is islamophobic of Elis Stephonic And this
is her response, which I like. I called Zorn Mamdani
a Jihatis because he is Mamdanni is a raging anti Semite.
Mam Donnie is the definition of a jihadist as he
supports Hamas terrorist, which he did as recently as yesterday
when he refused to call for Hamas Terris to put
(26:56):
down their arms, the same Hamas terrorist group that slaughtered civilians,
including New Yorkers on October seven, twenty twenty three. He
is Kathy Hokeels endorsed jiehattest communist who she is empowered
to destroy New York City. It's why the New York
State Democratic Party chair refuses to support him. It's why
multiple Democrat members of Congress refuse to support him. It's
(27:17):
why Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have still not endorsed
him because Zron is a jihadist who will destroy New York.
Thank you, now, that's a pretty good response from elist Stefani.
I think that not only could it benefit her in
the governor's race if Mamdanni is in, certainly, I think
(27:38):
it's massively beneficial to her point, There's a reason Akiem
Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, who are also New York City guys,
have not come on board with Mamdani. So I am
circling back to I'm gonna look at this as a positive,
as a glass half full situation. Yes, New York is
gonna drown, but the rest of us are going to
be in much better position. So kiss to New Yorkers,
(28:02):
and uh, I'm just gonna continue to float away on
my life vest while you guys go under the water
in the icy waters.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I just think I think there's room. I think there's
room for Jack on that door. And Rose needs to
just you know, suck it in a little bit here
and make some space. So New York, I'm not I'm
not letting you just go down into the icy depths
of communism without a fight. All right, mister Nashville over here,
a little bit of a Nashville New York rivalry. He
has no problem with New York turning into something.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We're gonna be fine. Tennessee's fine, Florida is fine where
I am right now. New York, I'm gonna be up
there with you on Monday. But yeah, you're kind of screwed.
I think it's it's all gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But maybe this is finally the uh, the sanity that
needs to happen. Unfortunately, through a degree of pain that
will allow at least to Phonic to be not just competitive,
but maybe win against Kathy Hochel. That's a positive, I
do think. I think someone like hokel Well, the thing
that she would have relied on in previous elections to
(29:03):
stay in office would have been the abortion issue in
New York. I think that's going to be largely off
that it's not off the table. They're going to try
to make a thing of it, but people don't care
that much. It doesn't move the needle the way that
they would need it to. So I think at least
a Phonic will be very competitive on the economy and
on public safety statewide, and just also running a saner,
(29:26):
better government in New York, which it could certainly have,
as we love, we love to say New York has
fewer people than Florida and double the budget and worse
public services. So someone has to explain how that's not
the clearest indicator imaginable of the misappropriation or misallocation of
(29:46):
funds that's going on a New York and a regular basis. Mom, Donnie,
I also want to note play said this was cut fourteen.
He apologized to NYPD officers, But I want you to
listen very closely to.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The the way that he says it. Play fourteen.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
I apologize for the language that I used, and I
spoke to them about the fact that I want to
work with them to deliver public safety because what we're
seeing in this city right now is we're asking officers
to do nearly everything we can think.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Of police officers that I spoke to, they don't want
a behind closed doors apology.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
They want a broad public apology for the things that
you suggested about them.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Will you do that right now?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Absolutely, I'll apologize to police officers right here, because this
is the apology that I've been sharing with many rank
and file officers. And I apologize because of the fact
that I'm looking to work with these officers, and I
know that these officers, these men and women who serve
in the NYPD, they put their lives on the line
every single day.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I apologize for the language I used. I apologize because
the cops are great. He's saying here, But what he's
not doing is apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon of
cops are racist and cause all of the problems in
our cities because of that racism, and therefore we need
(31:02):
to pull funding from them, which makes everybody less safe,
including and specifically minority residence. Right, Like it's it's it's
a hollow apology, clays.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It feels like, yeah, apologize. It's almost like.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
When and you know where I'm going with this one
with your wife. I'm sorry if that upset you.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh not good? Or rather I'm sorry you took it
that way. Mmm, No, you know what I mean. Yeah, yes,
I'm sorry if you were offended by that. Like, that's
not really what they want to hear. Yeah, the tone
of your voice, tone of you. It's not what you said,
(31:44):
it's the tone of your voice. Why are you yelling?
I'm not yelling. This is how I talk every husband
out there slowly nodding. I'm having flashbacks right now. I'm
a little traumatized just hearing you say this. This is
Let's play a little bit more of these, mind let
me play this as we go to break, and then
(32:04):
let's talk about this. Because Public Transit producer Ali, I
think some of the other crew rides public transit in
New York and they now are going to try to
make public transit free for everybody. Here's the problem. The
issue is safety and cleanliness, it's not cost cut and
making it free for everybody to me is not going
(32:26):
to make safety better, and it's not going to make
the cleanliness of the experience better. Cut eleven. Just going
to raise tax rates and everything's going to be free.
This is what he's going to do. It's again New York,
you're going to sink underneath the waters. But the rest
of us, we're going to be great. We've got nice
life rafts. Cut eleven.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
The question is how you'll make them free.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been
brought in from fares, and that's something that we would
do in partnership with Albany. And I've put forward two proposals.
The first is to raise taxes on the top one
percent of New Yorkers by two percent. That would raise
four billion dollars. The second is to raise the safe's
top corporate tax to match that out New Jersey, which
would raise five billion.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Home there you go, just going to tax everybody. It's buses.
But how many people out there think to themselves, Hey,
what buses need? The cost is too high. We just
need to have cheaper bussing. Maybe I really think that
it's safety and it's cleanliness. That's what everybody wants.
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Speaker 1 (34:34):
Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. David Rutherford
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. We're going
to get in to the situation in Venezuela with him
momentarily just updating you on the news. In the last
couple of moments, Zelensky of Ukraine has arrived at the
White House for a meeting with President with President Trump,
(34:59):
question yelled out, does he believe he can convince Putin
to end the World War in Ukraine? Trump nods yes,
as he is welcoming Zelenski clad in a black suit
for those of you who are sarctorially inclined, not in
his green fatigues and T shirt. Just FYI. So they
have begun that meeting. We will see what news, if any,
(35:21):
emerges from that discussion. We bring in now David Rutherford.
Excited to have him as a part of the Clay
and Buck podcast network. He's doing fabulous work. You should
go subscribe to his podcast. Make sure that you're on
top of everything. In sort of military and door kicking,
bad ass worldview, and he is with us. Now, okay,
(35:43):
we've seen all of the blown up boats that are
happening off the coast in the Caribbean area, off the
coast of Venezuela. There has been talked. Trump has talked
about it. CIA may be covertly attempting to attack the
regime of major there, the person who stole power according
to most analysis of the election there. What should we
(36:06):
know about Venezuela? Where do you think it's headed? Are
we going to have boots on the ground? Is the
Maduro regime in your mind in danger? David Rutherford, Hey, thank.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You guys so much for having me on. That was
a hell to intro. I appreciate that. I believe where
what we need to do is look at the nexuses
of power that are emerging through the Venezuelan developments. Right,
You've got China who's invested over sixty billion dollars into loans, infrastructure,
(36:37):
everything you can think of. You've got coordinated relationships potentially
with Mexican cartels. Just recently we had a Mexican cartels
issue basically headhunting fees on certain border patrols and then
I also think you have probably a large portion of
(36:58):
the population after the last election fiasco with Machado, that
is probably primed and wants to change. So all of
these things converging into I think the posture that we're
representing right now. I mean, what three D fifty two's
We've got ten thousand troops, We've got soft guys. There's
(37:19):
definitely agency folks working down there. So what happens next,
I think is going to be dependent upon Maduro's actions.
I mean, the funniest thing I saw in the last
few hours was one of their naval ships ran abrown
and sunk. So I'm not sure anybody's not good right,
(37:39):
So all of that, you know, I think we're things
are heating up for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, Venezuela's Maduro regime has just ordered military exercises, by
the way, which I got to say, I guess if
you are the you're the tinpot dictator of Venezuela. Now,
ru you got to make it seem like you got
muscles to flex. But if I were this guy, if
I were Maduro, I might well, I'm sure he already
(38:06):
has stash cash in uh where are the places people
do it? Like the Cook Islands or the Channel Islands
or whatever. But if I were him, I would have
my If I were Maduro, I would have my go
bag ready and an exit plan.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Maybe he can go get an apartment next door to
a sad playing video games over in Russia.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Wait, can I just jump in there?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
When I read that rut all I wanted to know
in that article just ever Understandce the longtime dictator of Syria.
There was a report that came out that he's just
hanging out in a luxury Moscow apartment playing video games
all day?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Is it call of duty? Like what? I want to know?
What the video game is? FIFA? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, roadblocks?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, I think what's interesting is you have people
that capture power in the way they did. And you know,
I don't know if either of you saw the deposition
from the gentleman relative Tina Peters was putting it out
relative to his work at Smart Mattic and the specific
development of that operating system to capture the elections thirty
(39:11):
years ago or whatever it was. And and you know,
I think when you have somebody that drives the country
into the ground, eventually, what happens the people began to
rise up, and we certainly saw that in the last
election and then the crackdown that came over. You know, yes,
this idea of citizen warfare. We saw what was a
(39:33):
couple of months ago, they were showing some promo stuff
of you know, tractor Bob and you know in the
Little ladyhold in the Aka learning how to fight, and
that's absurd. I just don't believe that this country is
willing to endure any more of what's been taking place
(39:55):
because you know, they're look at their inflation, look at
their production, get their output. The only thing that saves them,
obviously is illegal drug traffic and probably some human trafficking
as well as you know, probably some arms traffic, but
it's oil and so, you know, before putting boots on
the ground, I'd love to see maybe a blockade or
(40:17):
something a little bit more giving them time to negotiate
or alter or come out with a position before we
start sending, you know, a young American women into fight
in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We're speaking to David Rutherford, former Navy seal, host of
the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and Buck podcast network,
which you should all be catching up on listening to
this weekend if you if you missed this week's episode
and and Rut you mentioned the cartels and how they've
put out bounties on members of US Border Patrol. We've
had multiple strikes now on on narco terrorist boats in
(40:54):
the Caribbean, lethal strikes right kinetics strike missile is basically
blown up ships. And we're moving more our military assets
into the region to do this. And when Joint Special
Operations gets involved here, when our operators are doing more
against these cartels, do you think the likelihood is they're
(41:14):
going to go on go to ground and try to
write it out or are they going to try to
escalate the violence in response to change the political calculation
here at home?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You know, that's the great question right iron Clad has had.
There's a woman who's a Mexican reporter who's talking about
she's doing on the ground interviews, you know, blacked out faces,
and they're saying, we're just going to wait it out.
But think about the magnitude of the impact of shutting
that border down. What does it cause? Right, It's a
(41:46):
lot of people. There's a guy named Oscar Ramirez that's
been reporting that there's a small civil war amongst the cartels,
grouping bit building. So you know, I think everybody's looking for,
you know, how do we recapture those those revenue streams
that we lost from human trafficking and probably a significant
portion of trafficking across the border, and so what what
(42:08):
do they have to lose other than you know, going kinetics.
So as a result of that, Yeah, there's a distinct
possibility that's this, you know, Jasock. I don't know about
typical soft units, the lower tier three units, but I
definitely think you know, Jasock combined with you know, maybe
some of the agency's assets or some of the you know,
counter narco assets within homeland. Yeah, they're they're going to
(42:32):
be ramping up their their mission profiles for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Where does this go? All right, So we're and I
know you're trying to analyze this in general, but what
do you think the true end goal? Marco Rubio is
very very well informed with what's been going on in
venezuela former senator obviously now a Secretary of State, So
I would imagine that he's driving a large degree of
this inside of the White House. If the Trump team
(43:00):
had their ability to sort of wave their magic wand
what would they like to see happen in Venezuela. We
know they have unbelievable I think it's Chevron, primarily oil
and gas assets that used to be American owned. There
have been reports that Maduro basically is bending the knee
and saying, whatever you guys need, I'll give back to
you in terms of oil and gas assets. Is it
(43:23):
any kind of negotiation with him or do you think
he has to be gone in order for there to
be any sort of reconciliation between the United States and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Play That is the one thousand dollars question right there
right And I think Mark Rubio is a great guy
to be doing this. You know, he's been so integrated
into the Central South American political landscape, his Cuban ancestry
and just where he positions himself and has been for years.
So I think he's a great guy. I think they're
(43:55):
riding this incredible high of negotiations right now. Obviously the
the Ukraine Russia one is the one that escapes them,
but I think there might be a real willingness to,
you know, come in and try and negotiate some type
of deal, uh to to put the fires out, so
to speak, and that would be relative to regaining some
(44:17):
considerable you know, uh leverage on the oil industry because
that's the heartbeat of their whole country. However, you know,
you've got a very staunch influence coming from China again,
you know, I was looking up the numbers just you know,
this morning, and and it's pretty staggering what they've been doing.
So if they feel like they their exports can be
(44:40):
maintained through their China relationship or the Bricks relationship or
whatever that might be, I think they're you know, Madua
might be willing to save off any of the economic
pressures that he's already been doing so far. But I
I just think there's such a momentum. I mean that
that piece deal in Israel, I mean that is more
(45:02):
significant than anything I think we've seen in a long
long time. And the fact that you know, Machada wanted
to give her Nobel Peace Prize to Trump. You know,
there's this unique relationship that's been formed there. So I
think it's some kind of either deal with with like
you said, with the oil industry or some of those,
(45:23):
but it's also I would imagine pressure to hold new
elections with some perhaps some un oversight that that would
be something that would be truly a monumental feat for
Rubio in his team of you know, the newly found
ability to have diplomacy in our state department, which is
(45:45):
a pretty awesome thing to see.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
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Speaker 3 (46:00):
You saw what happened the last time the Green Beret
guy went down there and tried to do it right,
and you know, it was kind of funny, which is
kind of this hidden story a lot of people don't
talk about, is you know, they the last administration tried
to pin that on a bunch of Trump loyalists right
FBI investigations. They tried to really connect some true Trump loyalists,
(46:23):
people that are you know, involved in the government now
to participating and kind of that you know, random like
Kama Cozi We're going to take down. It was almost
like a bush League bay of pigs for Yasco for
the group thing.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
It was like an eighties action movie plot, but it
was real.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
It was totally real. And I have a lot of
friends that had to go talk to the Bureau as
a result of that. And so I don't know. I mean,
I I think the population is ripe for some influence,
but don't I don't know. And it seemed like the
military really coalesced around him to go after you know,
(47:05):
the opposition or whatever you want to call it, after
those elections, you know, and we saw Brazil was able
to do that. You know a lot of these other
kind of socialist countries were able to do that. And
so what I think it is is how are they
so confident that they can, you know, repress those uprisings?
And I think it's about a money issue. So where
(47:27):
is Venezuela getting the money to pay for their soldiers
at scale in support of knocking down these these you know,
organic uprisings, internal and organic with quotations obviously.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
You're just getting a little, a little taste here, everybody
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Welcome back in everybody to the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
We are joined now by former FBI agent Nicole Parker.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
She's got a new book out, The two fbis The
Bravery and Betrayal I saw in my time at the Bureaus.
You can go check out your copy of that one.
Nicole let's how are this one. You've looked at the
national security side of what the bureau does before many times.
What's your first read of Ambassador or former Ambassador Bolton
with this indictment on the classified information in his home.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
I think it's a solid indictment. I think that this
is something that the FBI has likely been looking into
it for a very long period of time. But as
we know, having worked at the FBI, they pretty much
put the brakes on a lot of cases and investigations
that should have been indicted a long time ago under
the Biden administration. And so now we've got a fair
(50:38):
dj right, We've got Attorney General Pam Bondy, FBI Director
Cash Betel, and they're getting in there and they're actually
enforcing the law equally and fairly. And that's something very
foreign to us, especially at the FBI. We didn't see
a lot of that equal enforcement of the law. And
so let's see what happens. I mean, you know, they
always say that you can induide a hand sandwich, which
(51:01):
is true. You know, the threshold that you have to
meet is just probable cause, you know, as opposed to
proving beyond a reasonable DABTA trial, But based on my
understanding and what I've read, it's a very solid indictment.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
How optimistic are you that things are starting to get
back on the right foot? Thanks for coming on with us.
You've got a book, You've spent time in the FBI,
You've told your story about why you went there on
the show before. Are you optimistic that things are changing
as it pertains to the culture that Cash and Dan
Bongino are trying to bring to bear, and what have
you seen if that is true to suggest to you
(51:36):
that it's happening.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
Okay, that's a great question. And I wish that my
book could come out a year ago before the election,
but you know, we're a year late basically in my opinion.
But that's okay. It's perfect timing because I think what
it does is it details a lot of the frustrations
that I had working at the FBI, and I basically
represent the voice of FBI one, this solid FBI agents
who are just trying to do the good work as
(51:59):
opposed to the FBI to the politically and socially weaponized agents,
and I detail step by step things that I personally
was highly disturbed by and writing this book and seeing
the new administration come in, it's very I have to say,
I have hope because there are a lot of things
in that book that just drove us. We were so frustrated,
(52:19):
we were ticked off, we were angry. There was literally
like a civil war going on within the FBI, you know,
the two opposing sides, FBI one versus FBI two. And
as I've watched what Pam Bondi cash to tell, Dan
Bongino and others have done. Slowly but surely, it's going
to take time, but I am seeing things check. You know,
the diversity initiative that was going on at the Bureau,
(52:40):
it was off the charts. I mean, I started feeling
like I worked for a social justice warrior club rather
than the number one law enforcement agency in the world.
And they have completely obliterated those programs that in and
of itself is a huge plus for the Bureau. And
seeing these indictments coming out, you know, I'm kind of
sick and tired of people on the left saying, you know,
(53:00):
this is political retribution. Actually what this is is this
is accountability, and it's equal enforcement of the law, and
it's very long overdue, and so no, this is not
political retribution. This is what should have been happening all along.
And so these are examples, you know, seeing Jim Comey
get indicted, you know, watching John Bolton, people that were
fact that they were untouchable under the last administration. And frankly,
(53:23):
since all of this occurred, I say, for the last
at least ten years. Those are the steps that they're taking.
And then I think another really important thing is I think,
slowly but surely, they're rooting out the deep state from
the FBI. And that's a daunting task. I mean, this,
this didn't happen overnight. This what they've created, and the
mess that they're being asked to clean up. This has
(53:44):
been going on for over a decade, and so I
am hopeful and I think my book will be interesting
in the American people because I worked under Obama, Trump
and Biden, and I worked under multiple FBI directors and
to see the progress that they have made in such
a short period of time. I mean, they've captured four
people off of the FBI's most wanted list since January's
(54:06):
That's as many as Biden captured in four years. I mean,
it's pretty awesome, but it's going to take time. And
you know, it's just the reality of it. They've got
a lot to do, but they're working tirelessly. So I
feel I do feel a sense of hope. But I
do think my book is kind of something that they
can even use and say, look, how are we doing
on this? How are we doing on that? But I
do think that they're making significant progress.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
And one thing that I remember hearing Nicole when Comy
was the really, at one point in time, the chief
of the hashtag resistance against Donald Trump, right he was
this this big figure of admiration for MSNBC and the
New York Times, was that when he got fired, there
(54:51):
was this there was this story that was always being
circulated by the Democrat media of oh my gosh, all
the agents are just crying in the hallways because Komy
is gone. What's the truth of that?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yes or no? Or what can you tell us?
Speaker 7 (55:07):
Excellent question, And I'll tell you right now, that's what
my book's about. FBI one. We were cheering, celebrating because
he's single handedly was the one that destroyed the FBI
and frankly, it's never recovered. FBI one. Agents like myself
were like, thank goodness, thank you, President Trump. This is
absolutely justified. Get him out of here. FBI two. They
(55:30):
were the ones that were crying and so upset and
this is not fair. And they literally had mugs and
T shirts in all this paraphernalia that said Komy's homies.
That's how you could tell it the bureau and it is.
It literally is like you're either on one side or
you're on the other. So I would say it's a
mixed right, I'd say if the FBI was probably fifty
to fifty. But it really did feel like an internal
(55:53):
civil war, like you would think that you were working
for two different agencies based on what side of the
spectrum you are, and it really was and always based
on politics either. I mean I worked with some outstanding agents.
Why don't share political views with The key is can
you put aside your political persuasions and do a fair
and unbiased investigation? And frankly, many of these agents of
(56:14):
FBI too were incapable of doing that. I mean, look
at Peter Struckle, he's a page. Andrew mccabs James call me.
The list goes on and on and on, and you'll
read in my book Cases where I worked to protect democrats,
I didn't say, oh, you know, I'm not going to
protect you because we don't share political views. That's not
the way it works, that's not the way the law works.
But unfortunately, that's how FBI two worked, and that's how
(56:34):
they destroyed the agency.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
How much should we be concerned, Nicole, Let's say that
somehow the Democrats win back, and again this kind of
goes to the culture. Are we in a world now
where the FBI culture swings wildly based on who the
president is? Or do you think the culture can be
fixed where the president doesn't matter? In other words, right
(56:59):
now everything's great. Trump's president. January twenty twenty nine, a
Democrat comes in, Kamala Harris, AOC, Gavin Newsom, insert name here.
How much should we be concerned that the culture just
flips right back to what it was when it was broken.
Speaker 7 (57:14):
That's a genuine concern. That's a concern that I personally have.
Bringing back all of these social justice warrior clubs, the
things that literally destroyed law enforcement agency work. Then they're
going to say, Okay, well now we're going to go
after these people. But that's why I think it's important
that under this administration that these indictments is made perfectly clear.
These are not political retribution indictments. These are what we
(57:36):
call equal enforcement of the law. And that's what it
has to be. It cannot be this ping pong. Oh,
you know a Democrat, this is to happen a Republican's
in charge. No, it literally has to be a political
and lady justice must be blind. That's the goal. We'll
see what happens, because I'm telling you right now, the
Democrats they're just thinking, Oh, they're just going after all
of you know, Trump's opponents. That's not what's happening at all.
(57:58):
They're finally enforcing should have been enforced a long time ago,
and that's what Americans want to see. It should be
fair and it should be unbiased. And for anyone to
say that it was fair and unbiased under the Biden administration,
it's completely that's just ridiculous. I mean, they went after
President Trump like he was on the FBI's top ten
most wanted list. I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. Again,
(58:18):
I detailed things that I heard with my own two ears.
The rate at mar A Lago was an FBI in
Miami's jurisdiction, which is where I was located. Hearing some
of the conversations, I'm like, I can't believe that this
is happening. Is this is not what we when we
raised our hand into the oaths, it was not to this.
We are sworn to protect the American people and uphold
the Constitution. And again, FBI one, they did it beautifully.
(58:41):
They're out there working violent crime, stopping human traffickers, and
I do I talk about some of the heroin cases.
My best friend the FBI was killed protecting children. Those
are heroes. There are good people there. But the other
half FBI two political nonsense.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
And wait, what did they tell people if it was
what were they telling the agents had to put on
the famous or infamous windbreakers that we all think of
we think of FBI raids, that they were going to
essentially the President's residence at mar A Lago to grab
some dusty folders. How did they sell that one to
(59:18):
the FBI agents in your office?
Speaker 7 (59:20):
Okay, so first of all, the raid jackets, Yeah, it's
on the cover of my book. I was not involved
at the raid of mar A Lago. But they there
wasn't like a big open discussion that it was going
to be happening. Okay there For instance, roger Stone, when
the roger Stone incident happened, they actually sent out what
we call a canvas and it was an email acting
people to volunteer for an arrest in for Lauderdale. But
(59:43):
they didn't specify who it was or what it was.
Something in my gut was like, and that's off, I'm
not doing that because you know, when they have these
big operations.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Did you think did you think that someone in the
bureau tipped off the FBI to the oh sorry, tipped
off the CNN to that raid.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
By the way, how else is the course? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Well, I just wanted to get an FBI person on,
you know, to say this because we're all said at
the time, there's no way CNN just happened to be
there at.
Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Five yeuts, no, no, you read in my book that's not
a coincidence. You don't just suddenly get information about that, Like,
no one knows where we are, what we're doing. But
as far as Mara a Lago, that's not something that
they put a canvas outboard. They handpicked very carefully and
it was WFO from DC that came down. They worked
with FBI Miami. Certain people were selected. Obviously, it was
up in our Palm Beach office out of the Palm
(01:00:27):
Beach Residence Agency, which is part of FBI Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Did you hear of anyone refusing Sorry, sorry, but we
have limited time. Did you hear of anyone refusing to
go or at least raising the issue of like I
don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Yes, I did, yep, I did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, they were good.
Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
It said no, I don't want to be a part
of that. And again FBI one, they want nothing to
do with it. They just want to do so. Yeah,
there are people within the agency that said no. I
personally was one that said, I'm not doing January sixth,
I don't care. And I made a vow to my
best friend the day before she's killed. We're like, we're
not doing that, no matter what, I Am not doing
that because that is not fair. It is they are
(01:01:03):
my friend right before she died, literally some of her
last words, and it's very very powerful. She's like, this
looks like political intimidation. I'm not going to be a
part of this. And I said I'm not going to
be a part of it either, And we made a
vow to each other and then she was killed, you know,
eighteen hours later. So these are the kinds of honorable
people that we don't hear about at the FBI. The
FBI one, they are strong, I mean, she lost her
(01:01:26):
life protecting children. On the other hand, there were people
salivating at the chance.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
What happened to your friend. You've mentioned this a few times.
I assume it's in the book.
Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
It's in the book, and it's very it is. It
is disgusting. They didn't send the SWAT team for her operation.
When they were going to take down the child predator
for a search warrant the child you know, child porn guy,
no slot for her. And this is February second of
twenty twenty one. But in the meantime, they were liberally
sending SWAT resources nationwide for January sixth misdemeanors. People that
(01:01:57):
walked into the Capitol and took a photo. They got
the full force of the federal government on them with
SWAT and everything. But when it came to the real
work and people protecting children like my best friend, no
SWAT two ages dead, three agent shot. And you will
read about that in the book. And that's something no
one knows about. So I think this book will be
very interesting to people. And by the way, the FBI
(01:02:18):
didn't even pay for her funeral. They didn't have the
money to pay for her funeral, but they had the
money to pay for diversity programs. So I recommend that
people pick up the book because their little facts and
details that only an insider like I lived it, and
it's it's so frustrating when you're on the inside. You
can't say a word, you can't say.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I'm going to get my copy right I'm sold. I'm
gonna get my copy right now, and I recommend everyone else.
The two fbis Nicole Parker's the author. Nicole, thanks for
being here. We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
All right.
Speaker 7 (01:02:47):
I love y'all. Have a great weekend, and God bless
take care, Thank.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You, thank you.
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Friday edition of the Clay Travis end Buck Sexton Show
gets going right now and we have much to discuss.
You have another strike on a suspected cartel drug vessel
off the coast of Venezuela and the Caribbean. This time
around there are survivors. I think this was an undersea
(00:22):
meaning submersible like a It's like a submarine, but just
a few feet below the surface.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's my understanding.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
So we will talk a bit more about what's going
on with this war, a real war on drug It's
not just a metaphorical war on drugs.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
This is real war on drug stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And we'll talk to our friend, former Davy Seal Dave
Rutherford about this later on. He well, he knows about
special operations for sure. He's also a host in the
Clay and Buck podcast network, so we'll have a conversation
with him.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We've also gotten Nicole Parker in the third hour.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
She's a former FBI agent, and we'll talk to her
about everything going on over at the bureau, the Kombe indictment,
and also, yes, the big news story of the day today,
which is the indictment of former National Security advisor Bolton.
(01:13):
So John Bolton is now facing a whole lot of
charges relating to transmission of and retention of national defense information.
This is going to be already play. It's a case
that has a lot of people speaking about the politics involved,
(01:37):
and they're talking about this whole situation as though it
is just Trump doing things that he shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And trying to settle scores.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Okay, I read the indictment and it primarily relates to
John Bolton going home from his job as National Security Advisor,
where you see you can see anything near the National
Security Advisor, meaning you're cleared for the most sensitive compartmented stuff,
covert actions in foreign countries, very sensitive collection methods, you know,
(02:13):
you name it, right, I mean the nuclear arsenal, whatever
you want to know. When you're NSA, you can know,
and you are seeing that stuff on a daily basis.
Bolton was going home Clay while he was serving as
Trump's National Security Advisor and writing a diary of all
of his conversations so that he could put it in
a book. Now, that is bizarre behavior. And I would
(02:38):
tell you that if I had a friend in the
national security world who said, hey, I've got a plan.
I'm going to just sit and classified briefings and reclassified
stuff all day, and then I'm going to go home
and I'm going to relay what I I mean, when
I was at CIA, they said, you don't talk to
your family about what we're doing here.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, they brought it to me. By the way, not
having been in the CIA, it seems like that's kind
of important for top secret information. Like when I would
go home if I got a call from my mom
when I and I was just a lowly analyst, but
if I got a call from my mom, I was like,
you know, mom, we're working on this this sensitive counter
terrorism platform and we're gonna be able to blow up
(03:20):
bad guys in this province because of it. And man,
I hit some bureaucracy on that one, like no, you
don't do that. Now they're saying in the indictment that
the stuff that.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He was relaying Clay would be classified up to the
top secret sci compartmented level. So I mean, this is
they're saying, it's very sensitive stuff. And they lay out, now,
this is interesting. You can't see the information right because
then you're they're sharing classify with everybody. So there's a
little bit of taking the government's word for it that
(03:51):
has to go on here. They call this the gray
mail defense, where they say, well, if people could only
know that this information is what you're talking about, it's
actually not that sensitive. So that's going to be one
of the ways they fight on this. The other thing
is going to be I've seen reporting that there were
marked classified documents in his home, but essentially the primary
(04:12):
part of the indictment is that he was writing down
stuff from his meetings that was clearly classified, emailing it
to family members, and preparing it in a diary every day,
and that is I think he's got some big problems here.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So this is one of those things where it's almost
not that complicated of a case to prove it would
be my analysis as someone who has never been involved
in top secret documents. You've talked about this before, that,
for instance, Joe Biden taking things out as a senator
(04:46):
that are marked top secret and storing it in his
garage and bragging about it on tape with his autobiographer,
that these are things that are relatively easy to prove
because their form of strict liability. You either did or
did not do it, And so the intent matters less.
(05:07):
I haven't seen there are eighteen counts brought in this indictment.
Unlike we saw with Letitia James, and unlike we saw
with James Comey, I haven't seen the same level of
oh my goodness, this is a unbelievable act by Trump.
And I think it's because one, this investigation started under
(05:29):
Joe Biden, and then I would suspect bucks, see if
you sign off on this or co sign on this.
As soon as they realized that Joe Biden had classified documents,
they really started waving their arms and saying, let's just
this classified. Remember initially when mar A Lago, they took
a picture of it on the ground and everybody just
grabbed their pearls and fell on their fainting couch. Even
(05:52):
though Trump had been the president to talk about how
this was an unbelievable jeopardy of national security and this
was very, very serious and there's no way that Trump
was going to be able to escape prosecution on it.
And then you remember when they found out that Biden
had all these classified documents, not just in his home
garage beside the corvette, but also I think in his
(06:13):
office at University of Pennsylvania and in his office in Washington,
d C. And they just kept finding all these classified documents.
The idea that classified documents and having them was a
crime that was one of the greatest that could be
committed by anyone in our nation. They just basically stopped.
And so I think they were smart enough to recognize
they couldn't prosecute John Bolton because Joe Biden has had
(06:37):
his own classified documents. But this was an investigation that
to a large extent, was taking place while Joe Biden
was president and the raid, remember even the criticism of
the early morning raid, which now we know it appears
they found documents that are indicative of crimes being committed.
I don't feel like everybody's lining up to argue this
(06:58):
is a this is Trump exceeding the bounds of presidential authority.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I would tell you the Wall Street Journal, to my surprise,
went all out on Bolton's defense, pretty much on their
real age.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They did.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yes, Wall Street Journal has been breaking with Trump on
a number of things.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I think they're a little.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Bit bitter over there because their consensus on trade stuff
has really undermined. That's a core competency you would think
for the Wall Street Journal, and I think Trump on
trade has looked a lot savvier than they gave him
credit for, and a lot of their warnings have seemed
like they were incorrect.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
But yeah, they went all in on defense of John
Bolton on this when they're saying this is clearly a
political effectively political payback because Bolton was such a critic
of the Trump administration. Now it's interesting because the Biden
administration dropped this probe, and I think you might be
able to see or argue that Biden's team dropped the
(07:59):
probe because he was such a Trump critic. They're like, oh, well,
this guy, we kind of like what he's doing. Former
National Security advisor is sticking his thumb in Trump's eye,
and you know, let's let's let this keep going. The
defense though for both and as I see it is
going to be a couple of things. One and I
see different things on this. If he had marked classified
(08:21):
documents at home, he's going to have to take a
plea deal unless there's gonna be much way.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
To really defend. For your perspective, Trump's defense was I'm president,
so I can declassify anything. Now people try to argue
against it. But Bolton, as his positions, does not have
that as a potential defense.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Direc there's no defense of he had a skiff. This
comes up in the indictment, a secure compartmented information facility,
a little secure room where he was allowed to have classified.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
In his home.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And and he also got hacked by the Iranians, I
might add on his personal email, so that comes up
in this too. This is all the indictment. But he
was allowed to have classify documents at his home, and
then he wasn't when the skiff, when he no longer
had that government job. This skiff essentially goes away, as
does your right to have any classified documents at home. Okay,
(09:11):
so what he's going to say is my recollections of
meetings I did not believe to be classified information, and
nobody else would think it's classified information. And what I
put in the book got cleared through the White House,
So clearly it's not classified information in some cases or
(09:32):
maybe in all cases, because you know this is this
goes to what Komy did as well. Contemporaneous notes of
a classified discussion can or can you know, can be
or aren't necessarily classified?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Right, So let me, let me, let me pause you there,
because I this is me putting on my lawyer hat.
If I can't take the actual classified documents out because
it would be a crime, it doesn't make sense to
me that I can take a yellow legal pad in
and write down what's on the classified documents, yes, and
(10:08):
then take it outside of my house. And let me
explain if everybody out there listening, if my yellow legal
pad was stolen, which recited the information that was on
a classified document, the practical impact of an enemy getting
the information is the same whether it's written on my
yellow legal pad or shared in an email or anything else,
(10:29):
as it would be if I was in physical possession
of the document itself. Right, So for me, that's a
distinction that should not be a difference of magnitude from
a practical perspective. That is correct.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
The fundamentally the information is what is classified, correct, It
is not the marketing. And this came up with the
Hillary thing too, right, because she says, well, it wasn't
mark classified. Now in Hillary's case, they were xeroxing classified
and putting it in the emails. I mean that she
absolutely broke national defense law. She absolutely could have and
(11:04):
should have been prosecuted, no question. Okay, that was actually
like open and shutcase. As much as everyone at the time,
because they wanted her to be president, tried to defend
from the Democrat side on this side, or rather on
this case. Both In is going to say, the things
that I wrote down were not actually classified from those meetings,
(11:26):
and the things that I wrote down were the basis
for a book that was cleared by the White House.
Therefore nothing is actually like he's just going to argue
the information isn't classified, and this becomes a tough case
for the government because the government has to convince people
that it is classified.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Now, I think the jury will be able to see this.
I don't know. Some have never been involved in a
classified case, but I don't understand how you could convict
someone without showing what was classified that the person had
in their possession, even though to your point, that further
exposes national security because twelve random people on a jury
(12:04):
suddenly get the news about whatever classified documents that Bolton
was holding, which would theoretically allow even more of a
national security issue.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mean, this is where this is a little bit
like the pornography. I know it when I see it
classified to those who have held the clearance. You know
when you see it. You know, if Bolton was going
home writing down from his meetings, which he very well
could have, Oh, we're going to do a strike tomorrow
on Abu Jihad in this country using you know hell
(12:33):
fire missiles which were launching out of this allied country's
you know airspace.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's very very classified.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The fact that it's not Mark classified as he writes
it down does not change because to your point, well,
then I could sit there in this I could sit
there and Langley and read about all the covert actions
and then just get on a phone and call somebody
and talk about it and like I'm not My words
aren't Mark classific. The information is what is classified, and
it is your responsibility, as somebody with access to it
(13:03):
to know. You know where these lines are and what
you where you can operate well. And this is where
I come back to. I understand the importance of taking notes.
I mean every lawyer does.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's why I do the entire show every day on
yellow legal pads, right, that's all I have. But those notes,
if they are truly classified information, should not be able
to leave a secure place your brain should be the
place where you keep extremely classified information.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well, I think again, I think that what he was doing,
Clay was going home and writing a diary entry based
on his meetings. Yeah, so it's not contemporaneous in the
meeting notes. I think I got it. I might have
to go back and check this in the indictment, because
you know, I had to read the whole thing this morning.
My sense is he was creating diary entries day to day, which,
(13:55):
by the way, the notion that you would create a
diary like this when you're the national secut your advisor
so you can write a book is so gross. It's
not about your book that no one's going to read.
Like you're supposed to be keeping Americans safe and protecting
our interests. This thing, This goes to a lot of things,
and everybody listening is out of clearance, knows what I'm
gonna say. There's this idea the like people actually doing
(14:18):
the work every day in the national security apparatus, military side,
civilian side, they are expected to be perfect with all
this stuff or their lives are ruined. But when you
get to be senior enough, it's all about whatever publishing
house you know wants to give you the biggest book deal,
and that matters more than the law and your oath,
and I think people are sick of that, and this
(14:39):
this is there's the legal aspect of his claim. There's
also the it's kind of just gross. The way that
he was doing this was just gross because it was
all meant to hit Trump too. So he's working for Trump,
trying to undermine Trump, using national security information to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, I think that's one hundred percent correct. And so
again I will be curious to see how this plays out,
but not a not a strong position in general to
break down. I mean, I think beyond a shadow of
a doubt, so John Bolton latest, I think the question
(15:15):
is how many more people are going to get charges
brought and how many of these people are eventually going
to get convicted versus a jury pool that is likely
predisposed to not like Trump, although you know, Trump's approval
ratings starting to go up, So maybe even in Northern Virginia,
there are people who are having their having their expectations
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Welcome back in our number two Friday edition, Clay and Buck.
I am down on the north side of Florida, on
the beautiful Panhandle. Buck is down on the south side
of Florida in Miami. We are covering both sides of
the state and all sides of the country as we
take you into the weekend. And I want to play
(18:22):
a cut for you to kind of put a bow
on the discussion that we had surrounding the John Bolton
eighteen felony counts that he has been charged with. Even
on MSNBC, when the indictment came out and they reviewed
the charges against him, they said, uh oh, this is
not very good for John Bolton. Here is MSNBC's guest
(18:47):
cut thirty three. Listen. It doesn't look good for him.
There's no way to slice it. The details of this
indictment do not look good. Okay. That's former White House
Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews. And so if CNN and
MSNBC are actually saying, uh oh, that is a huge mess,
it probably is a huge mess for John Bolton, and
(19:09):
we've talked about that a lot in an hour. One
would encourage you go download the podcast. You can dive
in and keep up with us, even if you happen
to just be getting in your car or just turning
us on wherever you may be across the country. A
whole first hour much of the discussion about John Bolton. Now,
there were two different debates last night. For those of
you who have been following this closely, this is an
(19:29):
off year and there are not a ton of races
going on, but the New Jersey governor's race, the Virginia
governor's race, and now the Virginia Attorney General's race in
conjunction with the New York City mayor's race, will give
you some sense maybe of the political environment in general. Now,
to be fair, Kamala won New Jersey by five or
(19:50):
six points, she won Virginia by five or six points,
and obviously New York City, even though it moved in
Trump's direction, these are all Democrat bases. So I'm not
sure how much you can tell what the impact is
going to be going forward. Uh So, all of that
in mind, but within the context of these debates, I
(20:11):
just got to be honest buck, You're a lifelong New
York City resident who moved to Miami. What is Curtis
Leewa doing. Mom Donnie is going to win this race
as long as he stays in it. And I get it.
If some of you say, well, Andrew Cuomo is no better,
I'm going to vote for Curtis Sliwa, I get it.
But whenever there is an anti Mom Donnie vote that
(20:32):
is being split, it means Mom Donnie is going to win. Uh.
And so I just I don't understand at all what
is going on here, and Mam Donnie just went aggressively
after Andrew Cuomo. Will play a couple of those a
couple of those cuts, But I do want to play
(20:54):
this from Harry Enton, who just lays out the math
on Mom Donnie is gonna win. This is cut thirty one.
Mamdanni leads by eighteen points.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Right now, look at the largest polling average miss since
nineteen hundred and eighty nine. You know what it was,
It was eleven points. You don't gonna be a mathematical
genius to know eleven points is less than eighteen points.
So if Andrew Cuomo is going to come back and win,
either something like Curtis Leewa has to drop out of
the race, or you need a polling miss that is
(21:26):
nearly twice as large as the largest.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Miss on record.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
So you're gonna probably need something historically unprecedented for Andrew
Cuomo to win this race if the polling average holds
through election day.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, Buck, what am I missing here? Now? I have
previously said, and I'm sorry to the WR listeners. I'm
sorry to all of you in New York City. I
have previously said, I actually think Mam Donnie Win, a
Mam Donnie Win is beneficial to the nation because it
forces a far left wing Bucks shaking his head. He's
(22:01):
already he's already getting rueful look on his face.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Hey, I thought we're all I thought all we conservatives
were on this lifeboat together. And Clay is taking New
York and the christ State area conservatives. Me's saying, just
like just like Jack, there was no room for him
on the door with Rose. He's letting New Yorkers just
slide into the icy depths after the Titanic has gone down.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
And I'm not okay with that. I would I'm rolling
my lifeboat over to you New Yorkers. I want you
to be Okay, water's cold, there's no room for the
rest of us. Sometimes you just got to toss New
York City in. Let it, much like Buck Island, as
another island, go underneath the waves of left wing insanity
and h and let the rest of us live to
see a happier day. So I actually don't know that
(22:47):
this is a bad result for the national picture as
it pertains to the House of Representatives, as it pertains
to all of the Senate races, governor's races in the
midterms coming up in twenty twenty six. But but there
is no other result here for New Yorkers. Mom, Donnie
(23:07):
is gonna win as long as Curtis Sleewa stays in
the race. Buck, You're a lifelong New York City guy
until a couple of years ago. What's going on here?
What is the calculus other than I want the attention
and I want the the Uh. I think it's just
attention because you're not gonna win for Curtis Sleewa, who
I like. We've had him on the show a bunch.
(23:28):
I just don't understand what he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Look, uh, I you know I appreciate where Curtis is
coming from us.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I don't know him. I don't know him, but we've
had him on the show before and I like him.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I mean, he's yeah, and would he be would he
be a great mayor? Yeah, sure he would. Really, he'd
be so much better. But we got to look at
the political reality as it is here. And you said,
I'm a I'm a former New Yorker, which the the
Gertrude Stein thing. America is my country, but Paris is
my home. It feels like Florida is my state, but
New York City is my hometown. You know that's I
(24:05):
feel like a Floridian at the state level. But I
still have much more of a connection to New York
City than I do to Miami specifically. That may change
in time, But so maybe I'm a New Yorker in
exile in some way. I think a lot of people
down here are actually Clay. I think what you need
(24:26):
to do is have Cuomo offer I was gonna say, Mom, Donnie,
that's not good. Gonna have Cuomo offer Sliwa maybe a
deputy mayor role with the portfolio of public safety, which
would also go toward the fact that Cuomo is the
jail break.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I mean, the problem here is Cuomo is awful too.
I'm actually not getting the fact that he's considered in
any way to be the savior. Is how bad of
a position that New York City has put itself in.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I am not that convinced that Cuomo would be a
lot better than mom. Do Do I think he'd be
better than Mam Donnie. Yeah, I'm not convinced he'd be
a lot better than Mam Donni. So that's why it's
very hard for me to even I think the mentality is,
oh my gosh, I'm not gonna do what the Left
(25:14):
does with like a Hitler thing, but like, oh, that
Hitler guy's awful. Thank god, we've got Stalin on our side,
you know, Like there's a little bit of that going
on here.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Stalin was really bad too. Uh So I think that Cuomo.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is Stalin in this analogy, And I think that it's
very hard for Sliwa to see this as anything other
than maybe a miracle happens. But I can't let this
be left to Cuomo either. But if you if you
want it to not be Mam donnie, he's got to
get some deal going, and he's got to drop out,
and why he won't drop out, I don't know. He's
not going to be mayor unless a meteor hits the
(25:49):
world and something completely unforeseeable happens.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Now, let me give you a positive side of this,
because mam Donnie's gonna win. I want all of you
to be prepared for this. I know the guy we
had call in who was all angry at me for
telling you this. This is not the polls trying to
tell you a story. This is Mamdanni is gonna win
because the Mamdanni opposition is going to be split between
Sliwa and Cuomo. Could be beneficial. Let me give you
(26:14):
a positive New York angle. Could be beneficial for Elised Stephonic,
who is running to try to beat Kathy Hokel in
twenty twenty six. In fact, this is what Elis Stephonic
just put out. The New York Times was upset that
Elis Stephonics said that that Mamdanni is a Jihattist. They
(26:34):
said that this is islamophobic of Elis Stephonic And this
is her response, which I like. I called Zorn Mamdani
a Jihatis because he is Mamdanni is a raging anti Semite.
Mam Donnie is the definition of a jihadist as he
supports Hamas terrorist, which he did as recently as yesterday
when he refused to call for Hamas Terris to put
(26:56):
down their arms, the same Hamas terrorist group that slaughtered civilians,
including New Yorkers on October seven, twenty twenty three. He
is Kathy Hokeels endorsed jiehattest communist who she is empowered
to destroy New York City. It's why the New York
State Democratic Party chair refuses to support him. It's why
multiple Democrat members of Congress refuse to support him. It's
(27:17):
why Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have still not endorsed
him because Zron is a jihadist who will destroy New York.
Thank you, now, that's a pretty good response from elist Stefani.
I think that not only could it benefit her in
the governor's race if Mamdanni is in, certainly, I think
(27:38):
it's massively beneficial to her point, There's a reason Akiem
Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, who are also New York City guys,
have not come on board with Mamdani. So I am
circling back to I'm gonna look at this as a positive,
as a glass half full situation. Yes, New York is
gonna drown, but the rest of us are going to
be in much better position. So kiss to New Yorkers,
(28:02):
and uh, I'm just gonna continue to float away on
my life vest while you guys go under the water
in the icy waters.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
I just think I think there's room. I think there's
room for Jack on that door. And Rose needs to
just you know, suck it in a little bit here
and make some space. So New York, I'm not I'm
not letting you just go down into the icy depths
of communism without a fight. All right, mister Nashville over here,
a little bit of a Nashville New York rivalry. He
has no problem with New York turning into something.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We're gonna be fine. Tennessee's fine, Florida is fine where
I am right now. New York, I'm gonna be up
there with you on Monday. But yeah, you're kind of screwed.
I think it's it's all gonna be okay.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
But maybe this is finally the uh, the sanity that
needs to happen. Unfortunately, through a degree of pain that
will allow at least to Phonic to be not just competitive,
but maybe win against Kathy Hochel. That's a positive, I
do think. I think someone like hokel Well, the thing
that she would have relied on in previous elections to
(29:03):
stay in office would have been the abortion issue in
New York. I think that's going to be largely off
that it's not off the table. They're going to try
to make a thing of it, but people don't care
that much. It doesn't move the needle the way that
they would need it to. So I think at least
a Phonic will be very competitive on the economy and
on public safety statewide, and just also running a saner,
(29:26):
better government in New York, which it could certainly have,
as we love, we love to say New York has
fewer people than Florida and double the budget and worse
public services. So someone has to explain how that's not
the clearest indicator imaginable of the misappropriation or misallocation of
(29:46):
funds that's going on a New York and a regular basis. Mom, Donnie,
I also want to note play said this was cut fourteen.
He apologized to NYPD officers, But I want you to
listen very closely to.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
The the way that he says it. Play fourteen.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
I apologize for the language that I used, and I
spoke to them about the fact that I want to
work with them to deliver public safety because what we're
seeing in this city right now is we're asking officers
to do nearly everything we can think.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Of police officers that I spoke to, they don't want
a behind closed doors apology.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
They want a broad public apology for the things that
you suggested about them.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Will you do that right now?
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Absolutely, I'll apologize to police officers right here, because this
is the apology that I've been sharing with many rank
and file officers. And I apologize because of the fact
that I'm looking to work with these officers, and I
know that these officers, these men and women who serve
in the NYPD, they put their lives on the line
every single day.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I apologize for the language I used. I apologize because
the cops are great. He's saying here, But what he's
not doing is apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon of
cops are racist and cause all of the problems in
our cities because of that racism, and therefore we need
(31:02):
to pull funding from them, which makes everybody less safe,
including and specifically minority residence. Right, Like it's it's it's
a hollow apology, clays.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It feels like, yeah, apologize. It's almost like.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
When and you know where I'm going with this one
with your wife. I'm sorry if that upset you.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh not good? Or rather I'm sorry you took it
that way. Mmm, No, you know what I mean. Yeah, yes,
I'm sorry if you were offended by that. Like, that's
not really what they want to hear. Yeah, the tone
of your voice, tone of you. It's not what you said,
(31:44):
it's the tone of your voice. Why are you yelling?
I'm not yelling. This is how I talk every husband
out there slowly nodding. I'm having flashbacks right now. I'm
a little traumatized just hearing you say this. This is
Let's play a little bit more of these, mind let
me play this as we go to break, and then
(32:04):
let's talk about this. Because Public Transit producer Ali, I
think some of the other crew rides public transit in
New York and they now are going to try to
make public transit free for everybody. Here's the problem. The
issue is safety and cleanliness, it's not cost cut and
making it free for everybody to me is not going
(32:26):
to make safety better, and it's not going to make
the cleanliness of the experience better. Cut eleven. Just going
to raise tax rates and everything's going to be free.
This is what he's going to do. It's again New York,
you're going to sink underneath the waters. But the rest
of us, we're going to be great. We've got nice
life rafts. Cut eleven.
Speaker 7 (32:43):
The question is how you'll make them free.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been
brought in from fares, and that's something that we would
do in partnership with Albany. And I've put forward two proposals.
The first is to raise taxes on the top one
percent of New Yorkers by two percent. That would raise
four billion dollars. The second is to raise the safe's
top corporate tax to match that out New Jersey, which
would raise five billion.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Home there you go, just going to tax everybody. It's buses.
But how many people out there think to themselves, Hey,
what buses need? The cost is too high. We just
need to have cheaper bussing. Maybe I really think that
it's safety and it's cleanliness. That's what everybody wants.
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Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. David Rutherford
part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. We're going
to get in to the situation in Venezuela with him
momentarily just updating you on the news. In the last
couple of moments, Zelensky of Ukraine has arrived at the
White House for a meeting with President with President Trump,
(34:59):
question yelled out, does he believe he can convince Putin
to end the World War in Ukraine? Trump nods yes,
as he is welcoming Zelenski clad in a black suit
for those of you who are sarctorially inclined, not in
his green fatigues and T shirt. Just FYI. So they
have begun that meeting. We will see what news, if any,
(35:21):
emerges from that discussion. We bring in now David Rutherford.
Excited to have him as a part of the Clay
and Buck podcast network. He's doing fabulous work. You should
go subscribe to his podcast. Make sure that you're on
top of everything. In sort of military and door kicking,
bad ass worldview, and he is with us. Now, okay,
(35:43):
we've seen all of the blown up boats that are
happening off the coast in the Caribbean area, off the
coast of Venezuela. There has been talked. Trump has talked
about it. CIA may be covertly attempting to attack the
regime of major there, the person who stole power according
to most analysis of the election there. What should we
(36:06):
know about Venezuela? Where do you think it's headed? Are
we going to have boots on the ground? Is the
Maduro regime in your mind in danger? David Rutherford, Hey, thank.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You guys so much for having me on. That was
a hell to intro. I appreciate that. I believe where
what we need to do is look at the nexuses
of power that are emerging through the Venezuelan developments. Right,
You've got China who's invested over sixty billion dollars into loans, infrastructure,
(36:37):
everything you can think of. You've got coordinated relationships potentially
with Mexican cartels. Just recently we had a Mexican cartels
issue basically headhunting fees on certain border patrols and then
I also think you have probably a large portion of
(36:58):
the population after the last election fiasco with Machado, that
is probably primed and wants to change. So all of
these things converging into I think the posture that we're
representing right now. I mean, what three D fifty two's
We've got ten thousand troops, We've got soft guys. There's
(37:19):
definitely agency folks working down there. So what happens next,
I think is going to be dependent upon Maduro's actions.
I mean, the funniest thing I saw in the last
few hours was one of their naval ships ran abrown
and sunk. So I'm not sure anybody's not good right,
(37:39):
So all of that, you know, I think we're things
are heating up for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, Venezuela's Maduro regime has just ordered military exercises, by
the way, which I got to say, I guess if
you are the you're the tinpot dictator of Venezuela. Now,
ru you got to make it seem like you got
muscles to flex. But if I were this guy, if
I were Maduro, I might well, I'm sure he already
(38:06):
has stash cash in uh where are the places people
do it? Like the Cook Islands or the Channel Islands
or whatever. But if I were him, I would have
my If I were Maduro, I would have my go
bag ready and an exit plan.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Maybe he can go get an apartment next door to
a sad playing video games over in Russia.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Wait, can I just jump in there?
Speaker 2 (38:27):
When I read that rut all I wanted to know
in that article just ever Understandce the longtime dictator of Syria.
There was a report that came out that he's just
hanging out in a luxury Moscow apartment playing video games
all day?
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Is it call of duty? Like what? I want to know?
What the video game is? FIFA? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, roadblocks?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know, I think what's interesting is you have people
that capture power in the way they did. And you know,
I don't know if either of you saw the deposition
from the gentleman relative Tina Peters was putting it out
relative to his work at Smart Mattic and the specific
development of that operating system to capture the elections thirty
(39:11):
years ago or whatever it was. And and you know,
I think when you have somebody that drives the country
into the ground, eventually, what happens the people began to
rise up, and we certainly saw that in the last
election and then the crackdown that came over. You know, yes,
this idea of citizen warfare. We saw what was a
(39:33):
couple of months ago, they were showing some promo stuff
of you know, tractor Bob and you know in the
Little ladyhold in the Aka learning how to fight, and
that's absurd. I just don't believe that this country is
willing to endure any more of what's been taking place
(39:55):
because you know, they're look at their inflation, look at
their production, get their output. The only thing that saves them,
obviously is illegal drug traffic and probably some human trafficking
as well as you know, probably some arms traffic, but
it's oil and so, you know, before putting boots on
the ground, I'd love to see maybe a blockade or
(40:17):
something a little bit more giving them time to negotiate
or alter or come out with a position before we
start sending, you know, a young American women into fight
in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We're speaking to David Rutherford, former Navy seal, host of
the David Rutherford Show on the Clay and Buck podcast network,
which you should all be catching up on listening to
this weekend if you if you missed this week's episode
and and Rut you mentioned the cartels and how they've
put out bounties on members of US Border Patrol. We've
had multiple strikes now on on narco terrorist boats in
(40:54):
the Caribbean, lethal strikes right kinetics strike missile is basically
blown up ships. And we're moving more our military assets
into the region to do this. And when Joint Special
Operations gets involved here, when our operators are doing more
against these cartels, do you think the likelihood is they're
(41:14):
going to go on go to ground and try to
write it out or are they going to try to
escalate the violence in response to change the political calculation
here at home?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
You know, that's the great question right iron Clad has had.
There's a woman who's a Mexican reporter who's talking about
she's doing on the ground interviews, you know, blacked out faces,
and they're saying, we're just going to wait it out.
But think about the magnitude of the impact of shutting
that border down. What does it cause? Right, It's a
(41:46):
lot of people. There's a guy named Oscar Ramirez that's
been reporting that there's a small civil war amongst the cartels,
grouping bit building. So you know, I think everybody's looking for,
you know, how do we recapture those those revenue streams
that we lost from human trafficking and probably a significant
portion of trafficking across the border, and so what what
(42:08):
do they have to lose other than you know, going kinetics.
So as a result of that, Yeah, there's a distinct
possibility that's this, you know, Jasock. I don't know about
typical soft units, the lower tier three units, but I
definitely think you know, Jasock combined with you know, maybe
some of the agency's assets or some of the you know,
counter narco assets within homeland. Yeah, they're they're going to
(42:32):
be ramping up their their mission profiles for sure.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Where does this go? All right, So we're and I
know you're trying to analyze this in general, but what
do you think the true end goal? Marco Rubio is
very very well informed with what's been going on in
venezuela former senator obviously now a Secretary of State, So
I would imagine that he's driving a large degree of
this inside of the White House. If the Trump team
(43:00):
had their ability to sort of wave their magic wand
what would they like to see happen in Venezuela. We
know they have unbelievable I think it's Chevron, primarily oil
and gas assets that used to be American owned. There
have been reports that Maduro basically is bending the knee
and saying, whatever you guys need, I'll give back to
you in terms of oil and gas assets. Is it
(43:23):
any kind of negotiation with him or do you think
he has to be gone in order for there to
be any sort of reconciliation between the United States and Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Play That is the one thousand dollars question right there
right And I think Mark Rubio is a great guy
to be doing this. You know, he's been so integrated
into the Central South American political landscape, his Cuban ancestry
and just where he positions himself and has been for years.
So I think he's a great guy. I think they're
(43:55):
riding this incredible high of negotiations right now. Obviously the
the Ukraine Russia one is the one that escapes them,
but I think there might be a real willingness to,
you know, come in and try and negotiate some type
of deal, uh to to put the fires out, so
to speak, and that would be relative to regaining some
(44:17):
considerable you know, uh leverage on the oil industry because
that's the heartbeat of their whole country. However, you know,
you've got a very staunch influence coming from China again,
you know, I was looking up the numbers just you know,
this morning, and and it's pretty staggering what they've been doing.
So if they feel like they their exports can be
(44:40):
maintained through their China relationship or the Bricks relationship or
whatever that might be, I think they're you know, Madua
might be willing to save off any of the economic
pressures that he's already been doing so far. But I
I just think there's such a momentum. I mean that
that piece deal in Israel, I mean that is more
(45:02):
significant than anything I think we've seen in a long
long time. And the fact that you know, Machada wanted
to give her Nobel Peace Prize to Trump. You know,
there's this unique relationship that's been formed there. So I
think it's some kind of either deal with with like
you said, with the oil industry or some of those,
(45:23):
but it's also I would imagine pressure to hold new
elections with some perhaps some un oversight that that would
be something that would be truly a monumental feat for
Rubio in his team of you know, the newly found
ability to have diplomacy in our state department, which is
(45:45):
a pretty awesome thing to see.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
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people that are you know, involved in the government now
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We are joined now by former FBI agent Nicole Parker.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
She's got a new book out, The two fbis The
Bravery and Betrayal I saw in my time at the Bureaus.
You can go check out your copy of that one.
Nicole let's how are this one. You've looked at the
national security side of what the bureau does before many times.
What's your first read of Ambassador or former Ambassador Bolton
with this indictment on the classified information in his home.
Speaker 7 (50:15):
I think it's a solid indictment. I think that this
is something that the FBI has likely been looking into
it for a very long period of time. But as
we know, having worked at the FBI, they pretty much
put the brakes on a lot of cases and investigations
that should have been indicted a long time ago under
the Biden administration. And so now we've got a fair
(50:38):
dj right, We've got Attorney General Pam Bondy, FBI Director
Cash Betel, and they're getting in there and they're actually
enforcing the law equally and fairly. And that's something very
foreign to us, especially at the FBI. We didn't see
a lot of that equal enforcement of the law. And
so let's see what happens. I mean, you know, they
always say that you can induide a hand sandwich, which
(51:01):
is true. You know, the threshold that you have to
meet is just probable cause, you know, as opposed to
proving beyond a reasonable DABTA trial, But based on my
understanding and what I've read, it's a very solid indictment.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
How optimistic are you that things are starting to get
back on the right foot? Thanks for coming on with us.
You've got a book, You've spent time in the FBI,
You've told your story about why you went there on
the show before. Are you optimistic that things are changing
as it pertains to the culture that Cash and Dan
Bongino are trying to bring to bear, and what have
you seen if that is true to suggest to you
(51:36):
that it's happening.
Speaker 7 (51:38):
Okay, that's a great question. And I wish that my
book could come out a year ago before the election,
but you know, we're a year late basically in my opinion.
But that's okay. It's perfect timing because I think what
it does is it details a lot of the frustrations
that I had working at the FBI, and I basically
represent the voice of FBI one, this solid FBI agents
who are just trying to do the good work as
(51:59):
opposed to the FBI to the politically and socially weaponized agents,
and I detail step by step things that I personally
was highly disturbed by and writing this book and seeing
the new administration come in, it's very I have to say,
I have hope because there are a lot of things
in that book that just drove us. We were so frustrated,
(52:19):
we were ticked off, we were angry. There was literally
like a civil war going on within the FBI, you know,
the two opposing sides, FBI one versus FBI two. And
as I've watched what Pam Bondi cash to tell, Dan
Bongino and others have done. Slowly but surely, it's going
to take time, but I am seeing things check. You know,
the diversity initiative that was going on at the Bureau,
(52:40):
it was off the charts. I mean, I started feeling
like I worked for a social justice warrior club rather
than the number one law enforcement agency in the world.
And they have completely obliterated those programs that in and
of itself is a huge plus for the Bureau. And
seeing these indictments coming out, you know, I'm kind of
sick and tired of people on the left saying, you know,
(53:00):
this is political retribution. Actually what this is is this
is accountability, and it's equal enforcement of the law, and
it's very long overdue, and so no, this is not
political retribution. This is what should have been happening all along.
And so these are examples, you know, seeing Jim Comey
get indicted, you know, watching John Bolton, people that were
fact that they were untouchable under the last administration. And frankly,
(53:23):
since all of this occurred, I say, for the last
at least ten years. Those are the steps that they're taking.
And then I think another really important thing is I think,
slowly but surely, they're rooting out the deep state from
the FBI. And that's a daunting task. I mean, this,
this didn't happen overnight. This what they've created, and the
mess that they're being asked to clean up. This has
(53:44):
been going on for over a decade, and so I
am hopeful and I think my book will be interesting
in the American people because I worked under Obama, Trump
and Biden, and I worked under multiple FBI directors and
to see the progress that they have made in such
a short period of time. I mean, they've captured four
people off of the FBI's most wanted list since January's
(54:06):
That's as many as Biden captured in four years. I mean,
it's pretty awesome, but it's going to take time. And
you know, it's just the reality of it. They've got
a lot to do, but they're working tirelessly. So I
feel I do feel a sense of hope. But I
do think my book is kind of something that they
can even use and say, look, how are we doing
on this? How are we doing on that? But I
do think that they're making significant progress.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
And one thing that I remember hearing Nicole when Comy
was the really, at one point in time, the chief
of the hashtag resistance against Donald Trump, right he was
this this big figure of admiration for MSNBC and the
New York Times, was that when he got fired, there
(54:51):
was this there was this story that was always being
circulated by the Democrat media of oh my gosh, all
the agents are just crying in the hallways because Komy
is gone. What's the truth of that?
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yes or no? Or what can you tell us?
Speaker 7 (55:07):
Excellent question, And I'll tell you right now, that's what
my book's about. FBI one. We were cheering, celebrating because
he's single handedly was the one that destroyed the FBI
and frankly, it's never recovered. FBI one. Agents like myself
were like, thank goodness, thank you, President Trump. This is
absolutely justified. Get him out of here. FBI two. They
(55:30):
were the ones that were crying and so upset and
this is not fair. And they literally had mugs and
T shirts in all this paraphernalia that said Komy's homies.
That's how you could tell it the bureau and it is.
It literally is like you're either on one side or
you're on the other. So I would say it's a
mixed right, I'd say if the FBI was probably fifty
to fifty. But it really did feel like an internal
(55:53):
civil war, like you would think that you were working
for two different agencies based on what side of the
spectrum you are, and it really was and always based
on politics either. I mean I worked with some outstanding agents.
Why don't share political views with The key is can
you put aside your political persuasions and do a fair
and unbiased investigation? And frankly, many of these agents of
(56:14):
FBI too were incapable of doing that. I mean, look
at Peter Struckle, he's a page. Andrew mccabs James call me.
The list goes on and on and on, and you'll
read in my book Cases where I worked to protect democrats,
I didn't say, oh, you know, I'm not going to
protect you because we don't share political views. That's not
the way it works, that's not the way the law works.
But unfortunately, that's how FBI two worked, and that's how
(56:34):
they destroyed the agency.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
How much should we be concerned, Nicole, Let's say that
somehow the Democrats win back, and again this kind of
goes to the culture. Are we in a world now
where the FBI culture swings wildly based on who the
president is? Or do you think the culture can be
fixed where the president doesn't matter? In other words, right
(56:59):
now everything's great. Trump's president. January twenty twenty nine, a
Democrat comes in, Kamala Harris, AOC, Gavin Newsom, insert name here.
How much should we be concerned that the culture just
flips right back to what it was when it was broken.
Speaker 7 (57:14):
That's a genuine concern. That's a concern that I personally have.
Bringing back all of these social justice warrior clubs, the
things that literally destroyed law enforcement agency work. Then they're
going to say, Okay, well now we're going to go
after these people. But that's why I think it's important
that under this administration that these indictments is made perfectly clear.
These are not political retribution indictments. These are what we
(57:36):
call equal enforcement of the law. And that's what it
has to be. It cannot be this ping pong. Oh,
you know a Democrat, this is to happen a Republican's
in charge. No, it literally has to be a political
and lady justice must be blind. That's the goal. We'll
see what happens, because I'm telling you right now, the
Democrats they're just thinking, Oh, they're just going after all
of you know, Trump's opponents. That's not what's happening at all.
(57:58):
They're finally enforcing should have been enforced a long time ago,
and that's what Americans want to see. It should be
fair and it should be unbiased. And for anyone to
say that it was fair and unbiased under the Biden administration,
it's completely that's just ridiculous. I mean, they went after
President Trump like he was on the FBI's top ten
most wanted list. I couldn't believe what I was experiencing. Again,
(58:18):
I detailed things that I heard with my own two ears.
The rate at mar A Lago was an FBI in
Miami's jurisdiction, which is where I was located. Hearing some
of the conversations, I'm like, I can't believe that this
is happening. Is this is not what we when we
raised our hand into the oaths, it was not to this.
We are sworn to protect the American people and uphold
the Constitution. And again, FBI one, they did it beautifully.
(58:41):
They're out there working violent crime, stopping human traffickers, and
I do I talk about some of the heroin cases.
My best friend the FBI was killed protecting children. Those
are heroes. There are good people there. But the other
half FBI two political nonsense.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
And wait, what did they tell people if it was
what were they telling the agents had to put on
the famous or infamous windbreakers that we all think of
we think of FBI raids, that they were going to
essentially the President's residence at mar A Lago to grab
some dusty folders. How did they sell that one to
(59:18):
the FBI agents in your office?
Speaker 7 (59:20):
Okay, so first of all, the raid jackets, Yeah, it's
on the cover of my book. I was not involved
at the raid of mar A Lago. But they there
wasn't like a big open discussion that it was going
to be happening. Okay there For instance, roger Stone, when
the roger Stone incident happened, they actually sent out what
we call a canvas and it was an email acting
people to volunteer for an arrest in for Lauderdale. But
(59:43):
they didn't specify who it was or what it was.
Something in my gut was like, and that's off, I'm
not doing that because you know, when they have these
big operations.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Did you think did you think that someone in the
bureau tipped off the FBI to the oh sorry, tipped
off the CNN to that raid.
Speaker 1 (59:56):
By the way, how else is the course? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Well, I just wanted to get an FBI person on,
you know, to say this because we're all said at
the time, there's no way CNN just happened to be
there at.
Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Five yeuts, no, no, you read in my book that's not
a coincidence. You don't just suddenly get information about that, Like,
no one knows where we are, what we're doing. But
as far as Mara a Lago, that's not something that
they put a canvas outboard. They handpicked very carefully and
it was WFO from DC that came down. They worked
with FBI Miami. Certain people were selected. Obviously, it was
up in our Palm Beach office out of the Palm
(01:00:27):
Beach Residence Agency, which is part of FBI Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Did you hear of anyone refusing Sorry, sorry, but we
have limited time. Did you hear of anyone refusing to
go or at least raising the issue of like I
don't want to be a part of this.
Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Yes, I did, yep, I did.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, they were good.
Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
It said no, I don't want to be a part
of that. And again FBI one, they want nothing to
do with it. They just want to do so. Yeah,
there are people within the agency that said no. I
personally was one that said, I'm not doing January sixth,
I don't care. And I made a vow to my
best friend the day before she's killed. We're like, we're
not doing that, no matter what, I Am not doing
that because that is not fair. It is they are
(01:01:03):
my friend right before she died, literally some of her
last words, and it's very very powerful. She's like, this
looks like political intimidation. I'm not going to be a
part of this. And I said I'm not going to
be a part of it either, And we made a
vow to each other and then she was killed, you know,
eighteen hours later. So these are the kinds of honorable
people that we don't hear about at the FBI. The
FBI one, they are strong, I mean, she lost her
(01:01:26):
life protecting children. On the other hand, there were people
salivating at the chance.
Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
What happened to your friend. You've mentioned this a few times.
I assume it's in the book.
Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
It's in the book, and it's very it is. It
is disgusting. They didn't send the SWAT team for her operation.
When they were going to take down the child predator
for a search warrant the child you know, child porn guy,
no slot for her. And this is February second of
twenty twenty one. But in the meantime, they were liberally
sending SWAT resources nationwide for January sixth misdemeanors. People that
(01:01:57):
walked into the Capitol and took a photo. They got
the full force of the federal government on them with
SWAT and everything. But when it came to the real
work and people protecting children like my best friend, no
SWAT two ages dead, three agent shot. And you will
read about that in the book. And that's something no
one knows about. So I think this book will be
very interesting to people. And by the way, the FBI
(01:02:18):
didn't even pay for her funeral. They didn't have the
money to pay for her funeral, but they had the
money to pay for diversity programs. So I recommend that
people pick up the book because their little facts and
details that only an insider like I lived it, and
it's it's so frustrating when you're on the inside. You
can't say a word, you can't say.
Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
I'm going to get my copy right I'm sold. I'm
gonna get my copy right now, and I recommend everyone else.
The two fbis Nicole Parker's the author. Nicole, thanks for
being here. We'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
All right.
Speaker 7 (01:02:47):
I love y'all. Have a great weekend, and God bless
take care, Thank.
Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
You, thank you.
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