Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Nov 5 2025

About Last Night

Clay and Buck break down the major political headlines following a pivotal election night. The discussion opens with Zohran Mamdani’s historic win in New York City, where he captured just over 50% of the vote in one of the city’s highest-turnout elections in decades. The hosts analyze why Mamdani’s campaign resonated, citing his energy, entertainment factor, and ability to mobilize younger voters and recent arrivals to the city. They highlight demographic trends, including Mamdani’s overwhelming support among Black voters and strong backing from millennials, Hispanics, and Asians.

The conversation then shifts to Democratic victories in Virginia and New Jersey, emphasizing the GOP’s turnout problem. Clay points out that 600,000 Trump voters stayed home in these states compared to the 2024 presidential election, raising alarms for 2026 and 2028. Buck underscores that while these were tough races in blue-leaning states, Republicans must address enthusiasm gaps when Trump isn’t on the ballot.

From Nazi to King?

Clay and Buck dive deeper into the fallout from the latest election results in Virginia, New Jersey, and New York City, analyzing what the outcomes reveal about voter behavior and party strategies. They emphasize that while the night wasn’t catastrophic for Republicans, it exposed a critical weakness: Trump voters don’t turn out when Trump isn’t on the ballot. They cite data showing 600,000 fewer GOP voters in Virginia and New Jersey compared to 2024, underscoring the challenge for Republicans heading into the 2026 midterms and 2028 presidential race.

The hosts dissect Democratic messaging, noting how slogans like “No Kings” and anti-Trump rhetoric continue to energize the left, even in off-year elections. They argue that Democrats successfully frame elections as a referendum on Trump rather than policy, mobilizing their base with emotional appeals rather than substantive governance plans. Clay and Buck contrast this with Republican struggles to motivate turnout, stressing the need for a strategy that extends beyond Trump’s personal magnetism.

Let That Sink In 

The Virginia Attorney General race, where Democrat Jay Jones won despite leaked texts revealing he wished death on political opponents’ children and vowed to piss on their graves. The hosts express outrage that nearly half of voters dismissed these comments as non-disqualifying, calling the result a troubling sign of partisan loyalty overriding basic standards of decency. They warn that this reflects a broader cultural shift where Democrats prioritize party allegiance over character, even for top law enforcement positions.  Clay and Buck also touch on healthcare costs and the broken insurance system, criticizing Obamacare and the Supreme Court decision that enabled taxing inactivity. They highlight skyrocketing premiums and lack of transparency as systemic failures, while briefly mentioning Trump’s ongoing legal battles over tariff authority.  

Professor Clay Nerds Out

Examining California’s Proposition 50, which could give Democrats 4–5 new congressional seats through redistricting, offsetting GOP gains in Texas. Clay and Buck argue that Republicans must focus on swing districts Trump won by less than five points and invest heavily in mobilization strategies to maintain control of Congress.
A major legal topic dominates the latter half: the Supreme Court review of Trump’s tariff authority. The hosts explain that Trump relied on a 1970s emergency statute to impose tariffs, citing crises like fentanyl and trade deficits. If the Court rules against him, it could invalidate hundreds of billions in tariff revenue and spark a constitutional showdown over separation of powers. Clay and Buck explore historical context, noting tariffs were America’s original revenue source before the income tax, and debate whether refunds would be required if the tariffs are struck down.

The discussion expands into tax policy and government overreach, with fiery commentary on property taxes, Social Security’s sustainability, and the welfare state. Listeners call in with sharp takes, including a historical breakdown of tariffs and a controversial claim about women’s voting rights that sparks a lively close to the show. Clay and Buck end by emphasizing how hate-driven politics and envy-based messaging dominate Democratic strategy, while Republicans must counter with economic solutions and cultural engagement.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
In Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, the sun
is in fact up after a dark night, and I'm
in New York City and it is certainly a very
dark morning in New York City. We will dive into,

(00:22):
as you might well imagine, Mam Donnie's huge win, the
wins in New Jersey and in Virginia for the Democrat candidates.
It is the one year anniversary of Trump's big win.
And certainly the Democrats who hate Trump, well, they have
not stopped hating Trump. And to me, Buck, there are

(00:45):
two big takeaways that I have and then I'm curious
whether you co sign or whether you have different takeaways.
And to me, let's start with New York City. This
is not an upset. Mam Donnie won a majority of
the vote in one of the highest turnout elections that
New York City has seen in most of the listeners'

(01:08):
lives out there, So all of our wr people open
phone lines. By the way, producer Greg will open them
if all of you. Curtis Slee, what people would like
to call in and apologize to me for correctly pointing
out that he had zero percent chance of winning and
that honestly I do think if he had dropped out
earlier and it had been a Cuomo against Mom Donnie

(01:30):
straight up election, I think that Cuomo may have been
able to win. The latest numbers that I saw Buck,
unless more have come in, is that Mam Donnie won
right around fifty four point four percent of the vote,
that is just barely over a majority, and that the
rest was split between SLIWA and so New York City.
Starting there, what was your take? My biggest take is like,

(01:52):
this is what New York wanted. The polls were all correct.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Let's take a moment because we get a lot of
of oh, you can't trust the polls, you can't know.
The polls were pretty much spot on the people that
were leading all one, and the margins were more or
less what was expected. Virginia might have been a little
bigger than expected, but look, we lost the governor's mansion
in Virginia. We lost, well, we didn't win the contest

(02:19):
for the governor's mansion. In New Jersey, we've got a
communist mayor of New York City Inbound Clay.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I am wearing Soviet.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Union red today in solidarity with Comrade Zoran. But the
political consensus the wisdom of the chattering class, whatever you
want to call it, was locked in correct. And everything
that we told you to be fair was also correct.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
None of this.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
I was hopeful that maybe we would steal something from
New Jersey, but we didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
So it was not a strong night.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Look, these are very tough races in very tough spaces
for not just a Republican but for sanity.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
This is like the heart of darkness.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
When you're talking about New York City, you're talking about
you know, the northern part of Virginia, which now dominates
the state. Clay I will say, and we're going to
get into the demographic data too here that also completely
aligned with what we thought. If you thought some group
was going to vote Mam Donnie, they did. By the way,
Mom Donnie got over ninety percent of the black vote,

(03:25):
something that was not talked about very much in advance
of the election. So that was the single strongest demographic
for Mom Donnie. But there are many, you know, young women, millennials, Hispanics, Asians.
There's all these breakdowns of the data we'll see, Clay,
I think that at the biggest level, at the thirty

(03:47):
thousand foot view, this is a reminder that economics is
still the dominant political issue in America. Wherever you are,
people are worried about price, They're worried about cost of living.
They're worried about their future and their children's future, or
even their ability to have children because of the future

(04:08):
that they see, and the political party that addresses that
with more a plum, not just more accuracy. Zoran was
more fun than the other guys. Yeah, he's a communist,
He's gonna ruin New York. We all get that, right,
But Clay who was more entertaining, who was more engaging,
who seemed like he wanted it more?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's not even close. Cuomo barely showed up.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
New York City's in trouble with Mom Donnie, but they
voted for him for sure. The turnout was huge. Here's
what I would say about Virginia and New Jersey, and
I think this is where not only do we look
at the results, but we have to spin it forward
and we have to do it honestly. Trump got more
votes in New Jersey and in Virginia last year than

(04:55):
either of the winning candidates did Mickey, Cheryl or spam Berger. Okay,
why do I say that? Yes, it was a presidential election. Yes,
it's an off year election, but that always happens. In
New Jersey in Virginia, six hundred thousand Trump voters, Buck
did not show up and vote in both New Jersey

(05:16):
and in Virginia. Six hundred thousand. Some of you are
listening to us right now, and you didn't go vote,
even though we change you to go vote. Okay, shame.
What does that mean going forward? The people Buck who
hate Trump, they show up, their brains are broken. They

(05:39):
will show up at a school board vote because they
hate Trump. The people who love Trump, they don't show
up when Trump's not on the ballot. And so that
is ominous for twenty twenty six, and candidly it's ominous
for twenty twenty eight, which is why I have told
you the pivot is coming very soon to Trump's voters

(06:03):
won't show up in twenty eight. And they're gonna say
Trump's voters won't show up in twenty six. And that
is to me, the biggest, most impactful thing about what
happened last night. Six hundred thousand people less showed up
in New Jersey and Virginia. It wasn't that somehow these
Democrats won and turned out unbelievable numbers.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
The numbers in New York City were unbelievable, and they
were good.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I mean, they actually did do a good job of turnout,
I think in New York particularly, but in New York City.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But that's why I said, it's two different takes. New
York City, they said, we want Commie Mom, Donnie, he's
our guy. We are excited to go to the polls
and make this guy the next mayor. You said, it's
because he's exciting. I mean, I think that he ran.
I think you got to give him credit. A great
campaign and he delivered based on an awful, awful pitch

(06:52):
reality wise, But in New Jersey and Virginia, the biggest
story to me is Trump's people didn't show up.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
There is a fundamental reality that the GOP is going
to have to address. Look, this is an off year election.
This was Democrat home turf really across the board. I mean,
Virginia is.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
A purple blue state.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I know we had that that nice, that nice off
year win before with youngkin win. Some Seieres seems like
a wonderful lady and a just a very good person.
A completely unmemorable campaign, not to be mean. I think
she's very impressive and I obviously would have voted for

(07:33):
her to live in Virginia, but just not a campaigner.
You know, you can be a good leader, you can
be a good decider, but not really a campaigner. Zorn
is kind of funny, Clay, He's the opposite. Zoran created
a show. Zorn remembered the lessons of Saul Alinsky. Go
back and read Rules for Radicals. Everybody Alyinsky there was.

(07:54):
There is an evil brilliance to so much that is
in that book. One of the things is make it fun,
Make it an activity. Make activism something people want to
show up to because they'll feel cool and they'll laugh
and they'll be with their friends. And Zoran manage to
do that. Now Trump has had that same effect on

(08:16):
the right. Trump is both a political and a cultural phenomenon.
People show up with their MAGA hats, People show up
feeling like they are part of something. The big question
for twenty eight, more so even than twenty six, I
think Clay, is how does the MAGA movement coalesce around

(08:36):
an air apparent? How does Trump play into that? And
this is gonna be something we talk a lot about
in the next year. But in the meantime, the economy,
and that means healthcare, that means inflation, the cost of rent,
the cost of groceries, the cost of everything. You gotta
have messaging on this everyone or else, the commedies will
be in charge.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Here is a funny tweet on this, because we are
going to try to have some hue because sometimes you
get your ask, you have to have a little bit
of you have to have a little bit of black
sense of humor, right, a dark sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I told my parents, just make sure that go bags
are by the front door. I'm here in Florida. If
you flee, you know where to go. They're fine.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Brad Chadlington, I don't know who he is, but I
saw this and I thought it was so funny. The richest, whitest,
most sheltered girl you know, from the wealthiest suburb in
the country is posting a picture of zorn mom Donnie
on her story right now, captioned power to the people
from her soho apartment that's paid for by her wealthy

(09:34):
conservative father. There is a lot of truth to this,
because the more recently you arrived in New York City,
I saw a breakdown based on length of time that
people have lived in New York City, the more likely
you were to vote for Mom Donnie overwhelming majority.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I think it was eighty two percent.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I saw of people that have gotten to New York
City in the last decade.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
A lot of those or immigrants, right, which is a
whole big discussion in general. But a lot of those
people are actually just young college kids like the girl
probably that I just described.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well, we all we got to slow immigration down in general.
There's another conversation that ever needs to have. If you
have the largest city in America with being largely determined
its future being determined by people who have been in
America for only a couple of years, that's that's a problem.
That's actually not what you want. No other country would
allow that. Yeah, I know the worst. We've been brainwashed

(10:32):
to believe, but that's all you know. If you just
came across the border, even if you're illegal, you're as
American as everybody who's ever been here, and even if
for families been here for generations, that is not true. Uh,
And we have to have a discussion about that as well.
We're good, We've had a lot of immigration you know,
we've had a lot of legal immigration, a lot of
illegal immigration. It's time to it's time to tighten up

(10:52):
some of these numbers a little bit and let assimilation
and Americanism and Americanizing take place for everybody. It can't
just be this wide open door and you get people
coming here from all over the world who are saying,
you know what, I want, communism.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's not good.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
That's not going to help us very much here by
the country went through this before the city of Chicago,
in particular Clay right around the turn of the twentieth century.
There are all kinds of commedis and socialists and anarchists
who were showing up and it was a real concern then.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
The biggest issue I would say with illegal immigration and
immigration now is back in the day when we had
you know where I am right now in New York City,
huge Irish populations, huge Italian populations, huge numbers of immigrants.
A lot of them still came from a Western civilization

(11:39):
culture that recognized that Western civilization. And yes, Christianity, although
it might have been Catholic. Remember the big battle there
was between Protestants and Catholics.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
There was a.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Common floor of agreement on some level. A lot of
people coming now, which is certainly incredibly ironic. Are our
youing America is an awful place. Oh oh, and America's
history is awful.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And this will I think it's even worse Clay, because
there's also this is a spoils system that people now arrive.
And you see this in Minneapolis, and you see this
in New York, and you see this in cities where
there is a particularly increasingly obvious tribal, newly arrived political attitude. Yes,
like I have arrived. I'm going to vote as a

(12:27):
voting block to dispossess the natives, the ones who have
been here. And by the way, to be very clear,
that's all Americans. That's white, Black, Asian, Latino. But it's
people that were born here, people that were raised here,
people that are American. There's now the new arrivals that
are saying, why do I even have to Why don't
I even have to conform? I don't have to learn
English even or do any of this stuff. I'm just

(12:48):
going to stay with my voting block here, do you see.
By the way, if you want to look at a
version of this, Sweden, the Netherlands, They've got big problems
because people show up and they say, I just want
the welfare state, and I'm going to have nothing to
do with your culture and your society. Now, look, there's
a very complicated, broad discussion with a lot of things
going on, but in New York it is very stark.

(13:12):
People who are college educated and young who have been brainwashed.
I will just say it, they have been brainwashed.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
They do not know.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
The other problem on this, though, is they are getting
screwed by not having assets because of the inflationary policies
of both Democrats and Republicans and the way that we've
created a system that unfortunately is intergenerational theft. No one
wants to hear that, but it's true. Thirty seven trillion
dollars of debt. This is a problem. We do actually

(13:40):
have to deal with this. So there's a lot a
lot of lessons I think you can take from this,
but there's nothing dire here. It's an off year election.
We expected all these results, Clay.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
We told people that these results were coming, and a
lot of people out there said.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't believe the polls.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Remember Hillary Clay, You're the reason Slee was gonna win.
When I said, okay, I'll wear a beret for like
he got seven and a half percent of the vote, Yes,
seven and a half percent of vote.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I think I could have gotten seven and a half
percent of the vote, honestly, I mean, you know, I think.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
You would have gotten more than seven and a half
percent of the vote.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
So, you know, a native son of New York formerly
of the NYPD's got some got decent hair.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
No beret, but decent hair.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it was not a good showing for sleeve. Well
you fled the city just in time. By the way,
A lot of people are gonna say buck, you know, yeah,
got out. I mean, I'm actually I'm actually closing on
a Florida property today, an investment. So I've been told
we could have some fun with this too. Real estate
agents legitimately in Florida and Tennessee and Texas are being

(14:44):
flooded with calls right now.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I wonder is that really.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I'm gonna send some messages out because everybody in Florida
has a real estate license, so I'm gonna ask them,
my buddies, it is.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
One hundred percent real.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Now people may not act on it, but there's a
lot of people waking up in New York this morning
saying this is just they went through COVID, they dealt
with all of the things that had to do with
Eric Adams, but this is much worse.

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Speaker 1 (16:22):
We have been talking about election results.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Of course, look not a great night for Republicans, but
not a terrible night because we expected to lose these races.
So let's all keep it, keep it in context, we
keep our composure here. We are happy warriors. It's all good,
It's all gonna be fine in the long run. We're
all dead. Clay, you know what I mean. You know,
so don't make me go full Bill Murray in groundhog

(16:48):
Day when he's like thousands of people gathered together to
worship a ract.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Remember that, Oh he's just quit.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
He's just done with everything because he's living the same
day over and over again. Groundhog Day on under rated movie,
I might say a great movie. It's just a it's
it's funny. You can watch it over and over again.
Look at that the irony. It's a great movie. I
just always remember Bill Murray like so just he's just
had it right. We're not there. Everything's gonna be fine,
Everything's gonna be fine. But we gotta fight, we gotta win,

(17:17):
we gotta stay focused. That is that is baked in here.
That is all a part of this. And uh, this
is the situation as we see it.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
In New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
It was a close call, but there they ran two female,
very establishment candidates in New for Democrats in New Jersey
and in Virginia. And let's just say it, it was a
smart play for them. Women are the constituency of the
Democrat I should say, particularly young and unmarried women are

(17:53):
a primary constituency of the Democrat Party right now. And
they ran against Trump Clay in these states. Isn't that
It's so interesting. You get to run to be the governor.
Here's Mikey Cheryl. You get to run to be the
governor of New Jersey. But instead of having to explain
why Democrats run New Jersey so poorly, instead of that

(18:19):
they have oh we have no kings here, and that
gets their base all fired up, like this is looney
tone stuff Play seventeen.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
We're not going to give in to our darker impulses
here in New Jersey. We know that this station has
not ever been, nor will it ever be, ruled by kings.
We take oaths to a constitution, not a king. We've
chosen liberty, the very foundation of democracy, and we've chosen

(18:52):
prosperity necessary to create opportunity for all.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Okay, idea here, theory, theory here, I'm gonna float something
out to you. So the Trump is a Nazi thing
has been they They have beaten that dead horse so much.
I mean, they have pushed that so much. And yet Trump,
as we know, close ally of Israel. By the way,
despite a lot of the noise on the right these
days about Israel and Jews in America and everything, Trump

(19:20):
is the closest friend that Israel has ever had. I
noticed that some of these voices on the right that
are critical of the APAK and Israel and everything not
critical of Trump. Though very interesting how that happens. But anyway,
Trump is a close friend of Israel, and so they
have to drop that, is it now? If you're an
emotionally unstable lib are you really going with the fighting

(19:44):
Trump is fighting monarchy thing?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Is this what the switch is? Now? They've gone from
Nazis to King Trump.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
They just have to convince their base that Trump is
a Nazi to such an extent that they will show up.
And I mean to me, Buck, I looked at the
numbers this morning. That's the first thing that I did.
Trump's base doesn't show up when Trump's not on the ballot.

(20:11):
Remember Obama's base didn't show up when Obama was not
on the base on the ballot. I think there are
some very popular with the base politicians that have a
certain amount of personal magnetism that doesn't translate beyond them.
I mean again, I look at it. Six hundred thousand
fewer people showed up to vote Republican in New Jersey

(20:34):
and in Virginia. Yes, look, Democrats, their voters showed up.
But Buck, I think to your point, it's because if
you hate Trump, you are way more likely to show
up than if you love Trump when Trump himself is
not on the ballot. Democrat, this is why logically the
Democrat go after Trump thing. It works in midterms. It

(20:55):
works when Trump's not on the ballot. I don't think
it works very well when Trump is on the ballot.
And so this is why I.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Think the preach just yeah, just for a second. The
resistance thing.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Look, it was a little over, a little overdrawn, a
little overwrought, you know, the whole thing. But there was
like Laisistons in France, and you know, there was like
some cool historical parallel and you can think of yourself
as some kind of revolutionary clay. No, Kings, it just
sound like a bunch of dorks. Honestly, it's not even
a it's yes, it's delusional and absurd, but also it's

(21:28):
it's like they're slipping usually they're Look, Black Lives Matter,
say what you will about what it has done, and
we've said a lot, right, it's been very bad. The slogan,
understanding the activist impulse, understanding the power of those words.
There was some marketing genius in the Black Lives Matter situation, right,

(21:51):
No Kings, it's lame.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's just lame. This is what it's lame and weak.
It might work in the midterms, Ah, killing me with this. No,
I look, yes, it's a blue state, it's New Jersey.
It's Virginia. I am always of the opinion, and this
is the way that I think. Maybe I'm wrong on this.
If you lose, the first thing I want to do
is go back and look at what you did. This

(22:15):
is what I always tell my kids when I coach basketball,
when I coach football, when I coached baseball. Your opponent
being good is to a large extent beyond your control.
An opponent can play really well or really poorly. Now
you can make it more difficult. Like all those things.
What I always want to control is what I can control.

(22:36):
That's the number one rule I think of life. Honestly,
control what you can control. Six hundred thousand people in
New Jersey and in Virginia who voted for Trump last
year did not show up to vote in this twenty
twenty five election. Who were those? Who are those people?
Like I said, some of y'all are listening to right now.

(22:57):
So if they had, and these races would have either
been very very close or Republicans would have won. So
Republicans didn't lose because Democrats had better arguments. They lost
because the Democrat base was more willing to respond to
their argument than the Republican base was to respond to

(23:18):
Winsorciers and and to Chitaerelli.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
The Mikey Sheryl thing.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
That was, Uh, it was disappointing because I think that
Chitdarelli had a real chance.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But then there's Spanberger and look, let's hear who is
who is such a a h an amorphous phony in
so many ways, you know, just talks and circles. Doesn't
take the she's going to govern like a radical leftist.

(23:53):
People who follow up politics and know anything about who
she is know that, but not enough to your point
about people not showing up, Virginians thought, oh, well, you
know it's govern or not not that, not all of them,
but obviously a fair number of Republicans in Virginia decided,
or don't just say Trump voters, not even just Republicans,
A fair number of Trump voters enough to deliver a

(24:15):
w for the Republicans said oh, I'm not going to
show up.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Here's what Spanberger says, Play twenty.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
My fellow Virginians tonight we sent a message. We sent
a message to every corner of the Commonwealth, a message
to our neighbors and our fellow Americans across the country.

(24:41):
We sent a message to the whole world that in
twenty twenty five, Virginia chose pragmatism over partisanship. We chose
our commonwealth over chaos.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
What does that even mean, Clay, pragmatism over partisan ship.
You ran in a partisan election and you want dudes
in chicks' locker rooms pragmatism.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I just again, I think everybody has to prepare themselves
for as moronic as you believe it is to say
no Kings or Hitler or the base of any're right,
it is like these people are losers, they are morons.
I'm gonna just be honest with you. If you are
showing up at a No King's protest, I think you

(25:29):
are a huge loser who needs to get a life.
I don't think there's any other way to describe it.
But they have decided that their life's purpose Buck is
Trump is a king, Trump is Hitler, and so they're
gonna show up. So I think, for looking forward, what
has to happen in order for the coalition that showed

(25:52):
up for Trump in twenty twenty four to show up
again in twenty six and again in twenty eight. Those
are the questions that I think should be asked as
we get ready for the mid terms.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I think that this is something I addressed in my book,
which will be out in February. By the way, have
you gotten your copy of Balls? I got my copy
of Balls that showed up yesterday, so I don't forget.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
On that one.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I saw your picture. You're pushing your book. I know
you are today. I appreciate it. The book is out there.
Please go buy it. I love all of you who
have bought it. It is everywhere and it is selling really,
really well, according to the people who can monitor these things,
and one of the best selling books in America as
we speak.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
You don't want to get caught without balls, you know
what I mean. It's not good.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So you end up voting for Mikey Cheryl or Avidannaberg
or Mom Donnie. If you don't have balls, you need balls, Yeah,
you need them.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
I would say, though, the.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
The Democrat Party now for the purposes of mobilization, and
this is why I was talking about the Nazi thing
for Trump and now the No King's thing and the
resistance and anti fascism. They have have to get people
on their side to believe in a fantasy in unreality. Yes,

(27:08):
they're not saying show up and vote for the Democrat
because we can get higher taxes on high earners and
we're going to have a more open borders policy where
anybody can claim asylum and they're not.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's Trump is a king. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Look, honestly, I think Trump being a king would be
kind of fun for a little while. But that's a
whole other that's a whole other conversation. That's a whole
other conversation. Point is he's not nowhere near a king,
all right, He's nowhere near a king. We all know this.
They are running against a delusion and it works, and
it works. Now that's the troubling part.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
It works.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So that's why I look forward. I mean, look, the
reality is most of our lives and if you live
in Virginia or New Jersey, that can be different. Certainly,
if you live in New York City, that can be different.
But for the vast majority of people listening right now,
our lives are not going to change substantially based on
what happened last night. But in the midterms, the first
thing they're gonna do if they take back the House
is impeached Donald Trump, and they're just gonna throw themselves

(28:07):
athwart all of a governance and refuse to allow anything
at all to happen if they take back the House.
And obviously in twenty twenty eight, whomever is elected as
the next republic the president and certainly who the Republican
nominee is going to impact a lot of people out there.
So my point on all this is they're gonna look
at these results and they're gonna say, our base still

(28:31):
turns out against Trump, and so I would suspect that
will be their entire campaign next year, well the midterms.
That is absolutely the case. It is the midterms is
just a stop Trump election for them, and that may
be enough. Now we're gonna have to have people understand
if the Democrats even just take the House, never mind
the Senate, the Trump agenda's over correct. Effectively, it's dead

(28:54):
in the water. Legislatively, you may be able to get
some cool executive You might get really creative with some
executive wars. We should mention the Supreme Court is really
hearing whether he has the authority on tariffs. That happened
today too. It kind of got snowed under in the
election results.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
So there's that that might be the most destructive Supreme
Court decision since they decided that you could tax inactivity
with Obamacare, which now we all see. I might add,
but do you see what the policies would be without
the subsidies for some family of four policies for healthcare
forty fifty grand a year forty fifty thousand dollars a

(29:29):
year for insurance, not for health care, for insurance, for
health care. This is what Obamacare half brought America madness.
Thank you, Supreme Court, Thank you John Roberts.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, it's totally broken, and the whole concept of paying
for insurance is predicated on I hate the insurance industry
in general. Apologies to all the insurance agents out there.
It's the only thing you're forced to buy that you
hope you never use in all seriousness, Like right, the
amount that you spend and I spend on car insurance

(30:03):
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the vast majority of people will never use it, which
is why the industry exists at all. It drives me insane.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I know it's nowhere near groundhog Day, and now I'm
thinking of Ned Ryerson from groundhog Day. Remember the insurance
salesman that he meets on the street. That guy is
a character actor, does a great business. I don't begrudge
the insurance business. How many times can you get paid
for something that people never use? I mean, that's the
entire foundation of the insurance. But our medical system is

(30:35):
broken because there is no actual transparency on cost. If
I could change one thing and just wave a magic
wand it would be that everybody knows what insurance costs.
I mean, health is also an active We need to
think of health as an active process and not something
like where your car breaks down, you.

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You don't know what you don't know right, but you
could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.
Welcome back in Clay, Travis, Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all
of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
through the second hour of the program reacting to the
election results in Virginia, in New Jersey, and in New

(32:52):
York City. And we had a caller as we went
to break there Buck talking about the Jay Jones situation.
He was the canon it for Attorney General in Virginia,
who it was revealed, had said awful things about his
political opponents, that he wanted his kids to die, the
political opponents of his kids, that he would piss on

(33:13):
their graves. And he won, and he won fifty three
basically to forty seven. And I believe we have the
data here. I was going to play it for us,
but cut twenty two, just forty six percent of Virginia
voters thought saying that you wanted your kid, the kids

(33:35):
of your political opponents to be killed and you would
piss on their graves if it happened, was disqualifying. Saunder
Smith Fox News twenty two.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
If you look at some of the some of the
questions over the j Jones texts and that scandal from
text back to twenty twenty two and how this is
affecting the.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Attorney general's race.

Speaker 7 (33:55):
There possibility of a split ticket. We asked voters what
best described their opinion of those leaked techs. Almost has
found them to be disqualifying. About one in four so
they were concerning, But then another one and four said
they weren't concerned or they hadn't heard.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Enough about it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
So buck to me, this is the worst part of
the election results because I'm not surprised. We talked about
the fact that New Jersey is a blue state, it
occasionally elects Republicans, most of the time it does not,
and so the fact that Cheryl won not a huge surprise.
The fact that Virginia flipped back Virginia almost always the

(34:37):
winning party is the opposition to who the president is.
But this thing, I thought that Jason Miarz, who we
had on the program, I thought he would win because
if you're the chief law enforcement officer of a state,
I'm not sure exactly what the standard on behavior should be,

(34:58):
but wishing that you're the kids of your political opponents
were murdered, and that if it happened, you would piss
on their graves and Matt having been written out I
being in text, it would be disqualifying to me. I'd
be like, I don't know that I can trust the
judgment of this guy. Virginia didn't care.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Look, this is disconcerting because you also would like to think.
I mean, I don't want to get too deep into this,
but the country's been through a lot. The country's been
through a lot of stuff that we would never want
to see again, and so I would hope that the

(35:42):
general electorate. I'm not talking about lunatics on Blue Sky
or Blue Star or whatever, you know, the left wing Twitter.
I would hope that normal Americans would really have a
problem with the kind of stuff that this guy, who
is supposed to be a senior law enforcement officer, yes,

(36:04):
was saying. And the fact that they don't have a
problem with it at all is important for everyone to
understand the mentality and what we're opposing here and what
we're dealing with. That's where this is. You need to
recognize that while they're claiming no kings, and while they're

(36:25):
saying Trump is so coarse and Trump is so awful,
on the other side of things, on the other side
of things, they will allow someone to become a senior
law enforcement officer who does this right, so they don't
actually have any standards.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Play is the reality. There's not any.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Moral or ethical clarity. It's we want what we want.
We support our team no matter what, and we're going
to say whatever we want about your team, no or
how absurd, crazy, defamatory, or destructive it is. And we're
only going to talk about tamping down political violence when
our side, the left, actually does it, which as we know,
the left is the one that has the problem with

(37:09):
political violence. That is reality. They're only going to say
maybe we should calm both sides down after their side
does something horrible, and they take no ownership for the climate,
the temperature, any of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
And it speaks to the fact that all that mattered
was that Jay Jones was a Democrat. And I mean,
this makes me like kind of want to puke a
little bit. But what do you think j Jones said
after he was elected. This is the guy who wanted
the kids of his political opponents murdered, said he would
piss on their graves. Here's what he said in his

(37:43):
acceptance speech cut twenty one.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
I will defend the rights of every single Virginian. I
will protect our jobs, our healthcare, and our economy from
Donald Trump's attacks. I will always work to protect a
woman's right to an abortion here in Virginia. Donald Trump,
MAGA and those corporate special interests believe that Virginia's government
should be beholden to them. But tonight we sent a

(38:06):
loud message to them into every single person across this country.
Virginia belongs to the people. Together, we stand firm against
the people who would take us backward. We will use
tonight as a springboard to reject the politics of divisiveness
and division.

Speaker 9 (38:21):
You wanted to kill the kids of your opponents. How
in the world in your acceptance speech are you saying
you're fighting back against the politics of division.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Again.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I look at some of this and I just say,
in many respects, this is You know, if I lived
in a state that was regularly electing Democrats, I don't
think I could live in that state anymore. And I
understand because forty percent of people are going to vote

(38:56):
the other way in any state. Right So, California forty Democrat,
and my state is going to be pretty comfortably sixty
to forty Republican.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
In Tennessee for the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't think I could live in a state that
would elect someone like Jay Jones. I'm just being honest
with you. If you can elect someone as the chief
law enforcement officer of your state that said he wants
to see the kids of a political opponent murdered and
that if it happened, he would piss on their graves,
how can you feel comfortable living in that state? And

(39:31):
I understand a lot of you in southwest Virginia are
listening to us right now, very different vibe than what
happens in northern Virginia. But this guy's the chief law
enforcement officer of your state. Now, how can you trust
any decision that he makes? And how can you trust
any decision that your fellow neighbors in Virginia have made? Again,

(39:53):
I don't think I could live in a blue state
right now. And also, all these people at these No
Kings protests, as we were discussing, we're always whining on
about civility and decency and how Trump is so coarse
and Trump goes too far and all this stuff. We're
the ones who had our president and presidential candidate shot

(40:15):
through the year and almost shot again. We're the ones
who are still processing the horrendous grief of losing our
friend and incredible political force, Charlie Kirk to an assassin's bullet.
We're the ones that are having to always say, Okay,
I know there's a lot of crazies on your side,

(40:35):
but for the betterment of the country, we're going to
try to move forward and stay calm. And then they
have something like this, yeah, where it.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Would be very clear.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I mean, no one saying, you know, it's not like
this is a presidential election where you say, well, but
I'll do anything to make sure that abortion stays legal
nationally or whatever it is. This is for the attorney
general of a state, and you're really going to put
forward this guy. Look, the other thing we haven't even mentioned.
Alvin Bragg in New York City got re elected.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Well, of course.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
That doesn't I mean, that doesn't surprise me at all.
I mean, Letitia James, if she is able, will get
elected for the rest of her life or as long
as people are willing to are able to claim that
Trump is Hitler and everything else. But Virginia, this surprised me.
This was the only result that I saw and I
thought wow, because again New Jersey governor, Virginia governor, Democrats

(41:33):
traditionally win, they're favored. They didn't vote for Trump in
those states. But for the attorney general to have those techs,
to have it come out, and for him to win
not only win buck, but win by I think six
and a half points, which means that it really wasn't
that close, and that not even very many people ticket split.
Even if you were a Democrat supporter, you didn't say, Okay,

(41:57):
you know what, I'll vote span Berger for governor, but
I'm gonna draw the line at wanting my kids out,
wanting the kids of political opponents murdered. Democrats were just like, Nope,
I'm sticking with Jay Jones. And then for him to
come out and say in his reelection or his election
speech night victory, we got to work on divisiveness. We're

(42:20):
gonna tamp down divisiveness. Like what so many of these.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
People that's spinning in the face of everyone who's paying attention.
That's what that is, that's meant to be. That's like
Gavin Newsom saying he hates politicians who lie.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yes, that's exactly what that is. But it also makes
me hate politicians. The more time I spend listening to
some of these morons talk, the more time I spend
thinking we need way better politicians. We are not being
led by the best and brightest among us candidly. And
so look, I can be angry at voters, and I

(42:58):
am because they put Jajos in office.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
But Jay Jones is a.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Moron, violent, incompetent, and he was able to get elected.
And you just said, Buck, did you listen. I'm like spamburger, Mickey, Cheryl.
These are the most bland, uninteresting, not particularly inspiring candidates
that are on the planet, and yet they're out there,
like I just.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
They're just a trojan They're just a trojan horse for
the left wing agenda, which is exactly what you and
I and so many others said was going to be
true of Biden in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Oh, good old Joe.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
You know, he's a moderate, he's a guy you can trust,
he's a union guy. All lies, all lies. The White
House was putting out stuff about transgender surgery for miners
being critical care. The White House was doing that under
Joe Biden. Okay, we need to have twelve year olds
on hormone therapy. Asap because the left is insane. You're
gonna get the same thing with these women who you know,

(43:55):
Mikey Cheryl Apparently her whole campaign is like I went
to the Naval Academy. Okay, yeah, you know, thirty years
that's nice, but that was it from what I understand.
And Alison Spamberger, Abigail Allison whatever and is spam Burger.
She was just I'm not Trump, no Kings, and unfortunately

(44:16):
that was enough. With all of the brainless, brainless automatons
that go along with that stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
We would you be.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Thinking if you still lived in New York City? You
know I was saying earlier, I couldn't live Like, if
you were still living in New York City, would you
I know, you made the decision to move to Miami, yeah,
because you saw this coming. But do you think if
you were waking up in New York City this morning
you would be would it be your tipping point in
some way if you had managed to stay?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I think if you were willing to put up with
what happened after COVID, you're willing to see how it goes,
willing to roll the dice with this. I don't expect
they'll be a big outflow of people. I don't expect that.
So I just I look at this. I mean, when
I see the Jay Jones, when I see the mom
Donnie thing, I don't think I could live in a
place where people would make decisions like these, because I

(45:15):
would just walk around all the time, like how can
I trust anything here? Because I mean to vote for
someone who wanted to see his political opponent's kids murdered?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Is so far?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
People's like, well Trump said some salacious that. Yeah, he
talked about how to grab chicks. Okay, like that's so
that's ridiculous, but it's clear like locker room talk ridiculousness,
it's Trump right, Like this is Hey, I'm on a text, man,
he's telling what he thinks is a joke, trying to
make somebody laugh. This is on a text message. And

(45:54):
the woman he was texting with Buck was like, you
don't really mean that, like you're kind of getting carried away,
and he's like, no, I really mean it, and I
would miss on their graves. Like she gave him an
off ramp of like, hey, you just got carried away
a little bit on a text.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
She realized what you said is so shameful, like you
can't actually, let's give you the opportunity to not be
a total, you know, demonic freak. And he decided to
double down on it. And now he's going to be
determining who goes to prison correct and who's prosecuted in
the state of Virginia. Think about that now.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Arguably it's the most important job in many ways in
the state of Virginia, and certainly it's one where judgment
matters more than most because everything you do is look
at cases and determine what are the cases that should
be brought. And Jason Mirs, by the way, was doing
a really good job as the sitting Attorney General. So
it's not only that he got elected, it's that he

(46:47):
beat an incumbent that was running for reelection having done
a good job.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
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Speaker 1 (48:06):
Oh, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. Oh
my friends. A lot of you on a weigh in
on a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
But one thing that we mentioned that this, unfortunately could
be a bit of a problem. Supreme Court looking at
Trump's tariffs, which remember a little bit of review here,
we were told they would be so bad for the economy.
Meanwhile they've been it seems, hundreds of billions of dollars

(48:35):
in the American coffer, and the economy is doing just great,
at least when it comes to trade, the stock market, investment,
things like that. Yes, prices are high, but and some
people said, well, prices are going to rise a lot
because of terriffs. We actually haven't seen that. If they've risen,
they've risen a little bit. But that's something that's certainly

(48:59):
on everyone's mind because if the Supreme Court were to
say Trump's tariffs are unconstitutional, we have a problem. This
is cut thirty three. Trump just in Miami, my city. Here,
here's what he's saying. Play it.

Speaker 10 (49:12):
One hundred percent of the jobs have come from the
private sector.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Otherwise you don't have a country.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
I mean, I love government workers, but if you have
all government workers, you don't have a country, do you.
At the same time, my tariffs are bringing in hundreds
of billions of dollars and a helping slash a deficit
this year by more than fifty percent. Did you see
those numbers? We're going to be down fifty percent anywhere
from twenty five to fifty, but closer to fifty percent

(49:37):
to them who would think that one, those are big numbers, Clay.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Whatever one thinks of the tariffs, if they were to
get undermined by the Supreme or effectively done away with
by the Supreme Court, that's gonna get messy.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
What do you even do?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
It's not dissimilar in my mind back to how you
in birthright citizenship. Sometimes the law has just been applied
for so long and so significantly you would have to
give refunds. It would turn into a real mess. So
a part of me wonders if they could say, hey,
we don't think this is constitutional. But it's also also

(50:19):
incredibly difficult for the court to to order a remediation
in some way in this perspective, So they could try
to instruct Congress to see if Congress would vote to
give the president the authority right, because this is really
a separation of powers argument. It's does the president have
the power under emergency declarations to put in place tariffs.

(50:42):
This is a big picture analysis, or should with the
power of the purse, Congress have to make a decision
of this magnitude, And so you have all three powers
of separation of power elements here the court trying to
tell Congress what they should have done and what the
president can't do and deligate those differences. It is somewhat

(51:05):
complicated to go back, we were talking about this off
air and say, oh, by the way, that four hundred
billion dollars that the President has already collected in tariffs
roughly maybe it's three hundred billion now certainly projected towards
four hundred it has to somehow be refunded. That's first
of all, going to increase the deficit obviously, but also

(51:26):
complicated to figure out how to reassess and reallocate those dollars.
So this is actually an incredibly significant but also incredibly
complicated Supreme Court case that was taking place this morning.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
How do you think it shakes out, mister lawyer hat Clay.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
A part of me thinks that they will say that
the president doesn't have the authority to do it and
try to put a end of year timeline. This is
just totally making it up right, because I think going
back and taking away the dollars that have already come
into the government and making the government give refunds is complicated.
The easy out, I would think, would be trying to

(52:06):
figure out if there's a congressional bill that could be
passed to rubber stamp what Trump's already done.

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Speaker 3 (53:18):
Oh my, so much coming in here on the talkbacks
and on the well just everything from the results from
this election last twenty four hours and we have, uh,
this is this is gonna be very interesting here Randy.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Do we still have? Randy and Jupiter, Florida.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
He wants to wait on the constitutionality of the tariffs, actually,
which I find interesting. Randy in the lovely Jupiter, Florida, which,
by the way, I hear great homes for sale New Yorkers.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yes, I'm sure that's true. What's up, Randy?

Speaker 5 (53:47):
I live on the intracoastal, so please go Inland and Jupiter.
But yes, it's faird ice every day.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
What you got for us?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Wanted to get some help here on the tariff faith
the other night club forty seven USA posted Eric Trump speaking,
and we were trying to figure this out. I thought
that the Constitution gave the I don't know in the Constitution.
Wasn't tariffs part of our original revenue source for the

(54:18):
federal government long before the Income Tax Amendment ever came about.
I thought tariffs was a legitimate revenue source. We're needing
some help to understand.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Okay, So that's a great question, and I'm sure that
tariffs were incredibly impactful. I mean, look, the Boston Tea Party,
uh in many ways was funded by tariffs, right, if
I'm remembering correctly, the cost that they were demanding that
the colonies pay in order to import tea and other substances. Well,

(54:55):
the stamp the Stamp the Stamp Act from the ap
AP American history, the intolerable acts my understanding, and I
will be one hundred percent transparent. I do not do
tariff law, and have never done tariff law is a
part of my legal practice. I do know a little
bit about maritime law, by the way, which is maybe

(55:17):
somewhat closely interlocked at times. My understanding is that Trump
has cited specifically a nineteen seventies era law which was
passed that gives the president the authority to mandate tariffs
in times of emergency. My understanding of this dispute is
Trump has cited, among other things, I think two primary things,

(55:40):
and guys, I don't have the Wall Street Journal with
me this morning, but I was reading in their editorial
breaking this down, if I remember correctly. One of them
is the drug crisis fentanyl and the fact that it's
been allowed to be brought into this country, and he
is saying that is a crisis based on the number
of people that are being killed. And then I think
there is an illegal immigration aspect associated with this as

(56:02):
well that he has used as the u and by
the way, Congress gave the authority to the president to
enact that those actions. The question, so far as I
understand it to be, and if there is a constitutional
scholar out there eight hundred and two A two two
eighty two who can pronounce and discuss this to a

(56:23):
better degree, the question that is at stake that the
constitution that they debated this morning was has Trump exceeded
the authority of that nineteen seventies era statute in taking
the power to mandate these emergency tariffs by basically taking
away the power that otherwise would have resided with Congress.

(56:45):
So the argument against the tariffs is that Congress has
the power to levy the tariffs. Now, now maybe you're
talking about back in the day, in the Articles of
Confederation day, in the colony days, and maybe even in
the early days of the country. But the authority to
enact tariffs, I believe, is with Congress. And one reason

(57:07):
they wanted that was obviously separation of powers in general.
But I think rooted historically in the fact that tariffs
had been such a significant issue for the colonies back
in the day, they didn't want one unitary executive necessarily
with the ability and all of you who took government
back in the day, remember the power of the purse

(57:30):
historically and constitutionally has resided with the Congress.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I think Professor Clay's history class would be a well
a well attended seminar, I really do.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I don't want to swear that every single element of
that is one hundred percent correct, but I think I
got most of it correct. But it's a smart question.
But Randy is asking a deep historical question. Again, this
is rooted in the authority of a nineteen seventy statute
that the Trump administration has cited as the authority for
the president unilaterally imposed tariffs across a broad swath of

(58:04):
the global trade in commerce.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Indeed, we have more coming in here on this one.
A lot of folks with a lot of thoughts. Where
we hear a second ago VIP email from Lewis election
summary and one word hate a powerful emotion and it
has been manipulated against core Americans. This just goes to
show the Democrat Party has become the party of hate.

(58:31):
That was the platform in each race, and unfortunately the
Democrat Party is taught to hate from an early age
or socially indoctored at embrace hate. Not one Democrat candidate
had any solution for the people, just a platform to
tear down and stop Trump. We need to take note
and fully understand what is coming. History is repeating itself. Lewis,
I think that there are there's certainly a lot of

(58:53):
anger and rage and hate on the left. I think
that envy is one of the most unfortunately one of
the most powerful political mobilization tools that exist, especially for
people who are of the leftist, redistributive, collectivist, Marxist mindset
that you can always find people because the truth is

(59:14):
that the material conditions of the New Yorkers, even who
are all pro Mamdani. First of all, McLay read was
so hilarious, so true. There are a lot of heiresses
in Chappaquah who are like.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I have Mendani. Yesi's the best.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
You know, They're they're all all about it and they
love pretending to be these radicals that care so much
about the poor. I mean, they're gonna live in the
highest income, most non diverse neighborhood they possibly can personally,
but they want everybody else to, you know, have like
community housing and no laws and no cops. Let me

(59:49):
step back in, Professor clay here a minute. Bock trade
deficits was what one of and finnyl were the two
emergencies that Trump cited nineteen seventy nine law that was passed.
Amy Cony Barrett talked about the challenges of returning these tariffs.

(01:00:11):
She said, how would the government refund billions of dollars
in tariffs? And the lawyer who is suing said representing
small businesses, said the court could make its ruling perspective only,
meaning no refunds would be necessary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
It would only start.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
That's kind of what I said, it would start at
a certain date, and I do think that that is
that is a huge part of this as well. But again,
the question is what is an emergency?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
There are many different levels here, and this is kind
of a fun legal question, but what is an emergency?
And how long would an emergency last within the context
of this law that the Trump administration has cited as
the legal authority. John in San Diego, this seems like
it could be a super nerd call, but I'm kind

(01:01:01):
of impressed by it. John, you say you remember, well,
tell us your take here.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
Okay, it's real simple. The original Constitution only provides for
imposts and X posts for taxes, and an impost is
a tax on imports, which is a terriff. An next
post is an excise tax on domestic goods.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
So thank you for the call. Sorry to continue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
You're the Initially the government was designed to be small, uh,
and we did not get the authority for the income
tax it started. If I'm remembering correct, because I bet John,
you're going to be a nerd here and know this,
if I remember correctly, during the Civil War for Abraham
Lincoln to pay for the Civil War?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Am I correct in that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
And then it was canceled and permanent one started in
nineteen thirteen or the sixteenth Amendment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yes, okay, thank you for the call. A lot of
people don't know that book. There was no income tax
in the United States until the Civil War. Abraham Lincoln
has to pay for the Civil War. Once the war's over,
they do away with it. And then in the early
nineteen hundreds they said, hey, we're going to go back
to this, and all of you are going to pay us,
you know, thirty plus percent of everything you make.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
This reminds me very much of the discussion here in
Florida about eliminating property for homesteaded properties. And I keep
seeing people say, but but where will the money come from.
There's plenty of money and the property taxes that would
you're talking about something like six percent of the of
the actual budget the state of Florida. But everyone gets
used to a tax and then thinks that that tax

(01:02:36):
is always going to be there. It's just a question
of what the number is. But this country operator just
fine without an income tax for a long time, and
you start to look at what's going on and where
the expenditures are going and increasingly, my friends, we're paying
for a massive welfare state, massive welfare state in this country.
We don't necessarily call it that, but that is what

(01:02:57):
is going on. Oh well, not only that. The challenge
is whenever you try to restrain the welfare straight state,
they're immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
The talking point is you're trying to cut trying to
cut benefits. You can never and this is the truth. Psychologically,
you can never give somebody something and then try to
take it back without them willing to basically be going
go to war on you. I mean, this is Look,
this is the story of social security. The reality is
social security relies on there always being way more young

(01:03:30):
people than there are old people because it's basically one
big pyramid scheme. And guess what's going to happen. We're
soon going to start having a lot more old people
than we are young people. So where does the money
for social security come from? And when you tell people that,
they say, well, no, no, no, no, no, this is like this
is my money. I've been giving you so security money

(01:03:52):
for everyone. Okay, but at some point in time, if
the demographics reverse, then you can't take seventy at least
in theory, you can't take seventy percent of what somebody
earns to pay it back out later. And by the way,
the fact that the government just takes huge amounts of
money from us buck If I die tomorrow and god

(01:04:16):
forbid my wife dies tomorrow, and once my kids are eighteen,
I get no Social Security benefits.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
They cease to exist.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
So really you're just rolling the dice on how long
are you going to live as to whether you ever
get any of the money that the government takes for
you from you on Social Security and at least you
have a possibility of getting that money back. All the
other money they take and you're never getting it back,
it's an awful Against your point, we just get used
to the idea of getting screwed by the government to

(01:04:45):
such an extent that nobody ever really takes a step
back and says, do we have to screw everybody like
this by the government? To your point, property taxes is ridiculous.
You buy a home, you work your whole life, and
you have to give the government a huge payment to
be able to stay in the home that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You owe, that you own.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I mean, it really is unbelieve you're renting your home
from the government, and the government can take the government
is your landlord. If you don't pay your home fermies,
they will take your home. That you can never actually
just own a home that you can live in. You
have to always do this thing of continuing to be
extracted from You cannot just exist.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
And older people who retire, it becomes brutal on them
because it's one thing to pay property taxes when you
and I are working age. I mean, I don't like it,
but at least I'm working. But if I'm seventy and
I've lived in the same house for thirty years, those
numbers guess what, they ain't going down. They're going to
keep going up. And it becomes more and more for

(01:05:46):
many of you out there listening to us right now
that are fortunate to own homes. You're nodding along, you're
saying this is crazy, but yes, we've just accepted that
this should happen. And again, the fact that we didn't
even have an income tax that was in existence until
the early nineteen hundred, it stuns a lot of people
because they just presume that we've always been doing this. Indeed, indeed,

(01:06:09):
Professor Clay yes anyway, I can nerd out on this
stuff and I just like asking why are we doing this?
Maybe I'm a little bit weird. Sometimes I take a
step back and I'm like, yes, this exists, but why?
And kids are really great at this. Any of you
out there, Buck, You're gonna get into this soon. You're
six month old is just going to ask. The amount
of questions that kids can ask. They are just question

(01:06:31):
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