November 12, 2025 • 63 mins
Dishonest Dems
A deep dive into the political fallout from the recently ended government shutdown, framing it as a strategic misfire by Democrats. The hosts argue that the shutdown was a cynical attempt to secure election gains and force permanent funding for temporary Obamacare subsidies, originally enacted during the COVID-era American Rescue Plan. They highlight commentary from Steven Miller and Hakeem Jeffries, dissecting the partisan blame game over healthcare costs and the broader implications for the 2026 elections.
If They Could Do This to You...
Conservative activist Robby Starbuck shares a disturbing account of AI defamation. Starbuck reveals that Google’s AI platforms, Bard and Gemini, falsely accused him of heinous crimes, fabricating court records, media articles, and even statements from public figures like JD Vance and President Trump. The discussion highlights the dangers of AI misinformation, the lack of accountability from tech giants, and the broader implications for political candidates and everyday Americans. Starbuck’s lawsuit against Google is positioned as a landmark case in the fight for AI transparency and fairness.
Chances of War
The show then pivots to foreign policy with guest Steven Yates, senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, who recently returned from a diplomatic tour across Asia with Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. Yates offers firsthand insights into U.S. engagement in the Indo-Pacific, emphasizing the Trump administration’s proactive stance against Chinese aggression. He praises Japan’s new leadership, discusses Taiwan’s strategic importance, and warns of the economic and geopolitical fallout if China were to invade. Yates also reacts to breaking news: China’s agreement to halt fentanyl precursor exports following direct negotiations led by FBI Director Kash Patel. He calls for even stronger measures, including labeling fentanyl precursors as weapons of mass destruction.
Cha Cha Change
The U.S. Mint ends production of the penny. Clay and Buck debate the future of physical currency in an increasingly cashless society, citing the high cost of coin production and the shift toward digital payments like Apple Pay, Venmo, and Zelle. They explore the implications for privacy, government tracking, and economic behavior, sparking a lively conversation with listeners about the sentimental and practical value of coins.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of d Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The shutdown has.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Come to a shutdown, I guess, or they've unshut it down.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
So that's good.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That's something that we can certainly have a moment of, well,
if not satisfaction over, we can definitely look at each
other and say, what the heck was that about?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And we're going to do that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Also got some discussion underway after appearances by the President
himself and also his Secretary of Homeland Security on H
one B visas on immigration, some interesting points coming across,
particularly in an interview with Trump and Fox News's Laura Ingraham.
We will have those discussions. We've also got hopefully an
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end to the flight delays or pretty close to an
end of the flight delays here, so that's going on.
That is certainly a good thing. A Secretary of War,
not to be confused with Secretary of Defense, heg Seth
has some thoughts about the reformation of some of the
military that he has put into effect, and we will
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discuss that too. But Clay, I want to start with this.
Stephen Miller had some thoughts to share on the Democrat shutdown.
The White Houses own Stephen Miller, this is what he
has to say, Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It was worse than pointless.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
It was cruel, It was capricious, It was dangerous, It
was radical, it was extreme. The Democrats shut down the
government in a failed attempt to extort one point five
trillion dollars for their pet projects, including, as has long
been documented in Black and White, full funding for healthcare,
leaval aliens for several hundred billions of dollars. They resulted in,
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as a consequence their shutdown, massive flight delays for the
American people, huge impacts on public safety, federal.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Workers going without pay, people.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Who are living paycheck to paycheck, not being able to
make ends meet. This was a Democrat sabotage of the
Trump economy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It was clay, and it was used to try to
get maximum turnout result on election day. And Democrats did
have good results, unfortunately in those elections. But it was
deeply cynical, it was destructive, and I hope that the
American people, who are open to the evidence of their
own eyes and ears, will remember the madness that was
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inflicted upon us for a month by Democrats pouting and
demanding that they get their way and it was outrageous.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Do you think it's a.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Test potentially for twenty twenty six? In other words, are
they trying to look at the numbers that came out
in Virginia and New Jersey and say, if we're shutting
down the government, does the idea that there's chaos work
against Trump? Is there a larger game plan here? We
(02:58):
know that they gained nothing essentially from this shutdown, but
going forward, did they learn something that they want to apply?
Is there any resonance here or is this just going
to vanish? They're already moving on. I'm watching the news
stories right now. They're not even discussing anything having to
(03:18):
do with the shutdown. They've moved on to emails and
Epstein and everything else there, which they're trying to turn
into a story to connect Trump to Epstein. And they've
been trying to do this for years candidly. But so
is the what is the takeaway? Right you go into
a game, you lose. They lost. Did they test anything,
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did they learn anything? It's just so dumb and ineffective
that a part of me thinks there has to be
a larger strategic comparative in play here than just we
shut down everything for forty three days and now everything
is fine.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, if we look at cut twelve here for a
second Clay, this is Hakeem Jeffries, and he is saying
the following about where House Democrats stand on this play twelve.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
House Democrats will strongly oppose any legislation that does not
decisively address the Republican health care crisis. We want to
reopen the government. We'll continue to stand by our hard
working federal employees and civil servants. But we have a
responsibility to make sure that we extend the Affordable Care
Act tax credits so that tens of millions of Americans
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don't experience dramatically increase health care costs that's going to
prevent them from being able to see a doctor when
they need one.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Let's unpack this a little bit for second clay, the
Republican healthcare crisis. Okay, let's really look at the facts here.
The facts are as follows. The Democrats during COVID put
in place a multi multi billion dollar temporary all agreed
that it was temporary at the time, basically win fall
(05:00):
for Obamacare exchanges. It's gonna throw billions of dollars into
a on a temporary basis. And now we have come
to a point where the Democrats under Schumer earlier this
year agreed to spending levels without those temporary billions in subsidies.
But then they say, you know what, they're not really temporary.
(05:23):
We want them forever, and we're going to shut down
the government. And this is a Republican problem. I mean
that is, I think when people look at what has
happened here, there's an understanding that the Democrats are being
incredibly dishonest, which is not a surprise to any of us.
But they really don't have a leg to stand on
other than line about what's really happened here.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Also, this is reflective of everything that is in any
way not permanent. If you end it is described as
a cut right like. The reality is this was a
temporary program that was for its entire existence predicated on
the idea that it would not exist forever as soon
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as the temporary program runs out. And the reason why
it was temporary program, buck is they didn't want to
have the cost tallied for decades into the future of
just how expensive this was going to be as soon
as that temporary program runs out. A decision not to
continue with the temporary program is seen as a cut.
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The big flaw here that is I think becoming increasingly
clear to so many Americans of all different backgrounds, is
the healthcare industry is broken, and the idea that by
subsidizing healthcare insurance you're going to help with health care costs,
I think has been proven to be frankly one wrong.
(06:51):
And all it is done is inflated the bureaucracy of
the healthcare insurance companies and given them way money. Obamacare
is just a big giveaway to the healthcare insurance industry.
And we talked about this some earlier this week and
last week, but I do think it's significant that if
(07:13):
you pulled Americans and you said what companies do you
hate the most dealing with in America? Don't you think
healthcare insurance would be number one overall?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Buck?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
If you asked Americans, hey, what for profit industry out
there that you have to deal with on a regular
basis do you hate the most? I don't even think
there's a close second. I think it's the healthcare insurance companies,
and unlike car insurance, which is frustrating, but as these
self driving cars come on the market, I actually think
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the overall cost of car insurance is going to plummet.
I mean, you can argue as we move into more
and more of a self driving car industry and future,
that that's one where you look at that you say, oh,
the amount of money that we're having to spend on
cars could end up going down in the future, and
I'm optimistic that that could occur. The problem with healthcare
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insurance is we're getting more and more older people in
the country, and the amount of healthcare that you need
skyrockets as you age, and so I don't see any
way that this is going to get better. And really
the only way healthcare works, the only way healthcare insurance
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works is if there are tons of young people who
basically never need insurance that are paying for older people
who do need insurance. I was meeting with a healthcare
industry guy recently, buck and he said, Hey, we got
killed in our company. He said, how do you think
we got killed in the company recently? And I said,
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I don't know. He said, we had people going out
and signing up young people. What is the one thing
that could crush you If you're a health insurance company
and you're signing up young people, pregnant women because the
cost of having a baby is high, and so somehow
the cost of these insurance companies pregnant women all got
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signed up. A cost of having a baby is expensive,
and that's basically for young people.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
For people under the age of thirty five.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
The only way under forty the only way that these
health insurance companies really get hit is when they have
expensive when people have kids. Otherwise, most people putting money
in never use it, and elderly people are able to
benefit from that. The problem is now we have way
too few young people and a huge exit, huge influx
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of older people.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It's gonna bring Well.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
This is where you see the problem lies. It's all
about hiding what's really going on from people so that
they can't understand where the money is being spent and
what their role in this whole system is. Because if
you buy insurance as an individual, something like seventy percent
they estimate clay of the people who buy insurance on
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the individual marketplace, right, so not company subsidized, which is
a whole other component of this. Seventy percent of them
said that if without the billions in subsidies from the government,
the enhanced subsidies, they would have a huge increase in
their premiums that they would not be able to afford.
Why is that right? Why are the individual marketplaces so
(10:37):
very expensive? Why is it that people keep seeing their
premiums going up year after year. It's not insurance. If
you are young and healthy, you are forced into this system.
And when I say young, I mean relatively young, thirties, forties, fifties.
You are forced into this system to subsidize the care
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for the old and the sick. Now, if that's what
we have to do as a society, that's one thing,
but we at least need to have an honest conversation
about that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You are not getting a good.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Deal if you are in your thirties, forties, and fifties
and you are getting anything that is a health insurance
plan on the individual market, anything that is Obamacare approved, Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Any of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Well, and I may be, I think there's a lot
of people around my age that kind of are in
this world. I care less about the individual expense and
more about just having catastrophic protection. It's highly unlikely that
you're going to have a catastrophic health issue. We hope
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in the same way, that I bet you, Buck, have
taken out life insurance now that you have a baby.
A lot of dads and moms out there, when they
have kids, they go back and they look at their
overall expenses and they say, Okay, what if the worst
case scenario happens to me? Highly unlikely? The insurance companies
look at you. If you get a decent amount of
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health insurance, they come out and take as much of
your blood as they can. They run your all your
vitals to try and make sure that there's not something
out there that is an issue. Most people only are
concerned about catastrophic issues, particularly when you're in your forties,
your thirties, your twenties, and that isn't actually that expensive
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in the grand scheme of things. But the problem is,
again that's just a math equation. We don't have enough
young people to deal with what people in their sixties
and seventies are going to be costing for health care.
Here's another part of this, Buck that very few people
talk about. Probably fifty percent of the medical coverage that
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our average people get in the United States is completely
unnecessary because doctors are afraid of being sued and so
they don't think that you need that MRI. They don't
think that you need that cat scan, but they go
ahead and check the box because if they get sued
and something really wrong, something is really wrong with you,
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then they want to be able to say, oh, we
gave as much standard of care as we could, not
to mention the hospital makes money on it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
So I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think we could eliminate fifty percent of all healthcare
one positive buck. I do think some of these glps,
which could drive down obesity, if they are widely distributed,
could could start to decline because obesity is probably the
leading cause.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Of no care right now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I'm not a doctor, but I am allowed to
have opinions on national policy when it comes to health.
If we took some of the tens of billions of
dollars wasted on nonsense in the healthcare apparatus and directly
subsidiz GLP medicaid because right now, I look, these companies,
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they're going to make their money. They have a right
to make their money because they did their research all
that stuff. Right, we're capitalists, Okay, But if you want
to talk about government subsidies, subsidizing and this is by
the way, it straight for me. Elon Musk, he said
the same thing, widely subsidizing GLP one access to medication
for people, not making it free, but make me know
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subsidized because it's crazy expensive.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now I don't know that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
It's thousands of dollars a month or something if you
can't get your insurance to cover it, and insurance doesn't
want to cover it because it's so expensive. The healthcare
costs that this would actually bring down clay for individuals
and the whole nation. It would it would pay for
itself many many times over. That that's just the reality
of the way that obesity is two hundred billion dollars
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a year of healthcare spending.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
I'm cautiously optimistic that is if you want to have
a positive on healthcare, I am cautiously optimistic. These are
for by the way, what are the companies Jarrow we
Go The ozempic is the super famous one. This is
Eli Lilly, this is Pfizer, this is the big drug giants.
These drugs are changing people's lives all over the place.
(15:10):
And so if we can drive down obesity, we drive
down the need for as much medical coverage. To your point, buck,
we could potentially save hundreds of billions of dollars in healthcare.
It's a positive out there. If you need to we
have AI.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I know, we got we got to jump into break here,
clib We have AI doing all these things first. Now
it's amazing. I get there are cheeseburgers. Maybe this ozempic
and cheeseburgers go ahead, but there are cheeseburgers being delivered
to me by robot? Can AI handle this so that
I don't have to spend thirty minutes filling out paperwork
every time I go to every doctor, even when I
fill out stuff online before I go, Like, can't we
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get to the point where the bureaucracy of medicine at
least is less of a total disaster.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Doctors want that too, because the amount of time that
they have to spend on paperwork to serve you'uriating. By
the way, it's all the insurance companies do this to
make it as a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
They actually do this on purpose.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
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Speaker 1 (17:33):
Thanks for being here, everybody appreciate all of you. So
our friend Laura ingram Over at Fox News had a
sit down with President Trump and they got into a
whole range of issues, very good interviews, and there's a
couple of moments, a couple of takeaways from it that
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I think it's important for us to have a little
discussion about. One of them is it gets to H
one B visas and the government, the administration approach to
the H one B visas, which this was a discussion
that led right around.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Actually, there was a pretty intense online exchange about this
involving Elon Musk, who went completely scored short in favor
of H one b's until people provided him with the
data the information to show that the H one B
visa program is actually really abused and it can be
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very exploitative and it's unfair to the American people. It
needs dramatic reform. And Vivak Ramaswami also weighed in on
this one, and it was a moment where Mago was saying,
hold on a second, I don't think that we have
to celebrate other cultures over American culture. When it comes
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to excellence, I think America is the culture of global excellence.
It was not a good moment for mister vick uh,
And there was a lot of back and forth, and
it was all over this H one B situation. Now
Lord Ingram pressed Trump on this uh, and here is
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how the exchange went play cut one.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Does that mean the H one B visa thing will
not be a big priority for your administration, because if
you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't
flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
Of Also, do have to bring in talent.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
When we come to talent, you don't.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
We don't have talent.
Speaker 12 (19:36):
Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and
you have to people have to learn. You can't take
people off an unemployed like an unemployment line and say
I'm going to put you into a factory.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
We're going to make missiles or I'm going to put
how do.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We ever do it before?
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Well, and I I'll give you an example.
Speaker 12 (19:51):
In Georgia they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They
had people from from South Korea that need battery all
their lives. You know, making batteries are very complicated and
it's not an easy thing and a very dangerous a
lot of explosions, a lot of problems. They had like
five or six hundred people early stages to make batteries
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and to teach people how to do it. Well, they
wanted them to get out of the country.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You're gonna need that lure.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making missiles.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
It doesn't okay down Well, this.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Is a very important discussion. But Clay, We're sorry, guys.
We we got to put a pin in it because
we were gonna have Robbie Starbick gone. We had a
little tech issue. But we can get him on now.
The phone line situation got squared away, so Robbie Starbuck
joins us. Now he's a conservative activist and many of
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you're familiar with his work. Robbie, thanks for being here.
Tell us your story, man, because you wanted to come on,
and I think people to know about what's been going on.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
Yeah, thanks trapping me on. Yeah, it's been wild. What
has happened? So essentially two years ago I found out
that Google's AI, which then was called Barred, was saying
all kinds of crazy stuff about me that just wasn't true,
from saying that I was a supporter of the KKKA
to even making arguments for the death penalty because I
guess some of my takes offend people on the left.
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But then it got much worse when they introduced Gemini
and Gemma. Gemini and Gemma went so far as to
make accusations that I was accused of sexual assault, of
raping people, including people who are PG is possible for
the audience in case there's kids in the car. But
you know, it can't be stressed enough how hard we
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tried to get Google to stop this.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I notified them starting two.
Speaker 13 (21:47):
Years ago that this was going on, and my lawyers
at Dylan Law firm have been repeatedly letting them know
and sending season desist letters throughout this year, and Google
just continued to allow this stuff to go on. The
lies got so intense, so elaborate that you almost can't
believe it. And it came from prompts as simple as
tell me about Robbi Starbuck or somebody looking me up, right.
So this wasn't somebody saying, hey, invent the story. It
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was as simple as tell me about this guy, right.
And it got so detailed that it invented fake court records,
fake police records, fake victims, fake therapy records. And it
would get so detailed that if you said, hey, what
are your sources for this, it would invent fake court
records and also fake media articles. Okay, so it would
say foxnews dot com slash Robbie Starbucks sexual assault allegations
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or something along those lines. And it did that with
all of the major media outlets essentially and some of
the biggest figures in media. It even invented fake statements
from JD. Vans and President Trump about the situation. So
this is obviously incredibly dangerous and you have to wonder
why this is happening, right, because something is feeding this
information to the AI, and that we intend to find
out in discovery. But if you think about like the
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long side of this, right, like look ten years down
the line, control of our country is decided by a
very small number of swing seats, and it's very easy
to envision a future where this type of you know,
malicious AI is deployed against every right wing candidate in
those swing seats, and you're able to shift five to
six percent of the vote based on telling wise about
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the candidates to voters who reach out saying, hey, tell
me there's a difference between these two candidates.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
This is a hugely important story, and I appreciate you
coming on. We're talking to Robbie Starbuck. You just heard
him lay out what happened with Google AI. There's a
lawsuit pending. But if they could do this to you,
and this is where I think this becomes so important
and you just hit on it. I mean, they could
do it to yes, Republican Senate candidates, Republican presidential candidates,
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Republican congressional candidates. But I think a lot of people
out there also know that arguably at least those guys
can punch back. Why couldn't they do this to anyone?
In America where Google what happens when your name is
googled is probably the number one most important thing on
the Internet. I would say for most people in most professions,
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this seems hugely important, not just for what happened to you,
but for the message that it's sending.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
It could happen to anyone. What are you trying to
do to remedy.
Speaker 13 (24:13):
It, Clay, I was hoping you'd bring that up, because
You're exactly right. The biggest problem is not that even
this is happening to me. Obviously, I'm concerned to damage
my reputation and all those things, but I'm thinking about
my kids, like this can happen to your son, your daughter,
your wife, your husband, and it could eliminate your ability
to get jobs. I mean, I want people to think
about this. How far AI is reaching into our lives.
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It's already being used in reputation scoring for insurance, which,
by the way, crazy story. I was actually denied insurance
by I think it was five insurers this last year.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I've never been denied my life.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
I'm an auto pay person, never been in a car
accident like there is no reason I should be denied
for insurance. It took until the sixth insure for us
to even get an offer from a major insurance company.
Every other one said risky. Wouldn't tell us why, and
we're going to have to figure out through discovery if
it was because it was pulling that information from AI.
But you can get debanked, you can, you know, have
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what a job interviewers often do, They google the people
who are applying for jobs, right, And so you get
googled on Gemini and they tell this potential job that
you're actually accused of some heinous crime, you know, and
this could be as simple as getting back at you
for your politics that Google doesn't share, right. So it's
very easy to see where this can get very dangerous,
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very fast. And so I think, you know, part of
the remedy here isn't just making me whole and you know,
fixing the situation. It's fixing the problem for good and
setting a standard and setting precedent that AI cannot harm humans.
That needs to be the first principle of AI, because
if you allow it on this level where it's deflammatory, right,
you're baking that in at the root level of a
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tree that is either going to bear fruit that helps
humanity grow into abundance, or you're going to grow poison
fruit and it's going to be to the detriment of humanity.
What you bake in that root is very important. So
we're teaching AI now what is going to later be
very important, and it's deployment across all platforms and law enforcement, medicine,
everything else. And so that's why I feel like this
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is a critically important fight. I'm thinking ten years out,
fifteen years out, how deeply this is going to affect
all of us and our kids.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
What was it like when you were trying to get
answers in the early stage and then throughout from a
company like Google that is so vastly powerful, influential, connected
and resourced. Yet I can only imagine Robbie, like, if
this happened to me, I wouldn't even know who do
you call for email? Who can you get to actually
(26:35):
sit down or speak to you as a human to
try to address this. Feels like you were probably in
a very kafka esque like where do I go for justice?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Situation?
Speaker 13 (26:45):
Yeah, it was very confusing, honestly, even with me, where
I'm able to get in front of the media. I'm
able to you know, pay lawyers to be able to
do this stuff. But back then, initially I raised the
red flag about this publicly, just adding the and direct
messaging people at Google like hey, can you get this fix?
And eventually a Google employee reached out to me, and
(27:05):
this lady seemed like she wanted to help. So I
laid out the whole story and send screenshots from the
people who had sent them to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Me and that we were able to recreate these.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
She says, okay, I want to help, and I checked
in over time, and it was about three months later
she lets me know, I'm so sorry I wasn't able
to fix this. And this is in a lawsuit. We
put this like, we put all the receipts. Okay, she said,
I'm so sorry I wasn't able to help. I am
resigning today and she resigned. And then things got much
worse with Gemma and Gemini. And here's the other thing
(27:35):
that's really scary, right, is that you'd think a company
like this could fix all this, right, Well, it took
until last week to finally get them to fix some
of this stuff in the actual app and the Google
Dot com website. But here's what's crazy. They're over one
hundred and fifty million wild downloads of Gemma. Gemma is
also used by developers beyond just being a chatbot to
(27:57):
help develop apps that power the future. Right and Gemini
same thing. Gemini has a bunch of uncountable digital downloads.
We don't even know what that number is. In many
of these, they can never be connected to the Internet
or won't be connected to the Internet, and cannot be
fixed remotely by Google. So these things, which will be
used in many different contexts over god knows how long,
(28:17):
can never be changed.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And that's pretty.
Speaker 13 (28:20):
Wild, and I think that's something that also has to
change in this process.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You're in the process of going through discovery and finding
all this stuff out buck you mentioned how do you
even get a person to be able to address We
found out when we sold OutKick to Fox. Fox went
through the deep dive and they said, hey, you're not
indexed on Google. And I knew that was true because
we would break news on OutKick and then we would
(28:46):
never show up at the top of Google search results.
And we had gone through this four or five different
times with them, and they had said everything's fine. Somebody
had just taken us out of the Google search results, Robbie.
That had to be an individual, right, somebody just they
don't like me. They're one of you know, thousands and thousands,
tens of thousands of Google employees. They hide your site
(29:07):
over in the refuse so that you can't be found.
Do you feel like, and again, I know the discovery
is underway, do you feel like ultimately this is malice
driven by an individual or individuals inside of the company
to have set up or and I know I'm asking
you to speculate a little bit. Do you think this
(29:28):
is just Ai run a muck and for some reason
you happen to get dragged through the cycle like this.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
So there's two different things here. One is, you know,
does it meet the legal standard of malice? No matter what, Absolutely,
it doesn't matter what the intent was. The fact was
they were notified so many times over the course of
two years to fix this, and they didn't fix it,
And they continually repeatedly told the same lies, inventing the
same situations with similar victims and evidence and all these
fake news articles and everything. That's growth negligence that equal malice.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Right.
Speaker 13 (30:01):
But then there's my personal view, right, My personal view
is one where I can't I can't get myself to
a place where I think this is just AI run
a muck, right, because Google's response publicly has been to
essentially excuse this as hallucinations, is what they say, Well,
you deep dive into hallucinations. And I've talked to AI experts.
They're typically kind of disjointed and kind of like weird, right,
(30:25):
They're pulling things from different places and kind of mixing
them all together. There's too many similar threads and too
many commonalities in what it continually repeated about me for
it to fit a hallucination pattern, by my estimation from
talking to these experts. And I think lawyers agree with this,
and so when you look at it from that context,
it's very hard for me to get anywhere except for
(30:46):
thinking this was deliberately poisoned. So that's how I view it, right,
is it seems deliberate when you get as detailed as
these things did, and you repeatedly refuse to own up
to the fact that it's a lie, and this is
what's crazy, Like you can literally answer.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Back to this AI.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And we had people saying things like, hey, these news
stories are totally false.
Speaker 13 (31:06):
Nothing like this ever happened, and it would double and
triple down that it did happen, And it went so
far on one occasion to actually create a fake article
in a real journalist's name when somebody pressed the AI
and saying the link didn't work to the story it
was sending them, so it literally invented a fake news story.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I want people to think about this.
Speaker 13 (31:24):
Right, we're at this precipice where we have all these
image generators and voice generators and video generators, but they're
not all quite interconnected to the chatbots as well as
they will be a year or two from now, maybe
even less.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Had this continued to happen.
Speaker 13 (31:39):
For another year or two, it would have literally been
inventing fake videos and audio of me doing these crimes.
I want people to think about that, because if you've
seen the AI outputs that we're seeing in video and audio,
there's currently a top charting music artist I think it's
called Breaking Russ that is AI right like, and you
can't distinguish it from a human being. It sounds like
a real human mus position. That is so incredibly dangerous,
(32:03):
And again, I imagine our sons and our daughters facing
accusations with fake AI videos and audio. It's very clear
when you think about that, that we need guardrails.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
No doubt, Robbie, this is fantastic. If people want to
know more about this story, where would you tell them to?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Follow me on social media?
Speaker 13 (32:21):
YouTube x at Robbie Starbuck Robbi Starbuck, or go to
robbistarbuck dot com if you want to read the actual lawsuit.
We've put it up there in case anybody wants.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
To read the full thing. Even lawyers who don't like me, people.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Who hate me, have said, like dang, they have absolutely
an incredible case. So I think it's a seminal case
in the fight for fairness and getting rid of bias
and AI.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Appreciate the time. It is an important story. Keep us updated.
We want to continue to share this story as we
move along.
Speaker 13 (32:47):
Thank you, gentlemen for shinming a light on it.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
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Speaker 2 (34:15):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We're joined by my longtime friend and friend of the
show here and my guide for all things Taiwan. Recently
Stephen Yates. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
He's a former senior Administration official and national security under
the Bush administration. And as I said before, he's a
(34:37):
fluent Mandarin speaker, and I saw him in action in Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It was very impressive. Steven.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I know you're still recovering from some crazy jet lag.
Thanks for making the time for us.
Speaker 14 (34:46):
Well, Bucket's wonderful to join, and thanks very much for
the kind intro.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Please give us a census to you just went. I
mean it was quite a world tour. You were traveling
with the press pool of the Secretary of War. Now
I have to keep reminding myself Secretor of War. Hegset
but President Trump was over there in Asia.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Where did you go? What were the meetings, what were.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The big policy takeaways and your most important observations?
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Well, thank you, Buck.
Speaker 14 (35:12):
There's a few things that really stand out. I mean,
really the first thing was we did go to Japan
Malaysia for the Southeast Asian Osion. The Defense ministerial meetings.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
That allowed for bilateral.
Speaker 14 (35:28):
Meetings with the nine countries of asion, but also with India, Australia,
Japan and Korea there and then we went up from
Malaysia through Vietnam to Korea and then from Korea all
the way home. I'll just remind the audience this is
on the doomsday plane from which nuclear retaliation can be
(35:48):
called after the apocalypse begins. Kind of a fun ride,
but that plane I think is older than the Secretary,
and I pray that the Secretary gets new planes soon.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
Just as an Asia.
Speaker 14 (36:00):
But that fourteen hour flight home to Andrews is quite
an adventure, going through the aerial refueling, some.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Cool helicopter rides.
Speaker 14 (36:08):
Very fun stuff in some sense, but serious policy. I
think the first number one it put the lie to
the notion that somehow the Trump administration is isolationist. This
is opposite of isolationism. The President had a very widespread
tour through the Indo Pacific region, major meetings and decisions
(36:31):
made in that region. The first stop with Secretary of
Hegseth was Japan. The new prime minister there is a
gang busters iron Lady of East Asia loves America, loves Japan,
is good for the alliance. She paid deep respect for
our troops, The President, the Prime Minister were there, Secretary
of Hegseth were there. I think the troops loved that.
(36:53):
I thought it was a really wonderful message to the alliance.
So first, the Trump administration is engaging the world. It's
just differently and the establishment doesn't know what to do
about that. But it's not isolationism, and alliances are largely
happy and improving. A lot of the defense spending increases
are happening. They need to move further faster, but it's
(37:15):
directionally correct, and I think that was attested to when
the Defense minister from the Philippines just spoke so positively
and effusively about America's engagement with them as they're challenged
by the communist Chinese. And just the final point, Buck,
I'd say, just watching Secretary of Pe Hexsas in action.
(37:35):
You and I have known him from our younger days
and commentary. It was great to see him in action
in this regard. I mean, he spoke clearly, decisively and
without wavering about the China challenge to the United States
but also the region, and he did it with the
Chinese in the room.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
And the message was the same.
Speaker 14 (37:54):
Whether it's public private, no matter who was there, and
I just thought that kind of consistency, clarity, conviction to purpose.
It was good to see and I would expect no
less out of peat.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Steve Buck just came back from Taiwan. He's talked a
lot about it. If you were telling.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Steve was my shirpa in Taiwan, so he was there
every step of the way, he was translating in the meetings, if.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
You were telling us out there, hey, this is what
I would be concerned about. This is what you should
be concerned about. I'm presuming Taiwan and what happens with
China would probably be number one on your list?
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
And how much higher is that on your list of
concern than other things? How should we calibrate concerns in
Trump two point zero in that respect, Oh.
Speaker 14 (38:46):
Clay, I think there's a couple of things first, and
Buck has had to listen to me say this.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Over and over.
Speaker 14 (38:53):
But basically, what happens in Taiwan is not a Taiwan
only situation. Japan has a fundamental national interest in the
status quo being maintained, and that Taiwan continue to be
a free and democratic territory, and that China is not
able to dominate those air and sea lanes around it
through which fifty percent of the world's container traffic go.
(39:15):
So if you imagine an economy that is rocked by
fifty percent of those containers carrying all your cheap goods
to your doorstep by way of Amazon or elsewhere going
could put for a time, then this matters, and it
matters for more than just the transactional notion of are
we buying things? But Taiwan is also part of the
value chain. They have major companies that are helping us
(39:37):
have a shot at winning the ai race and finding
ways to adapt their military capabilities. They also buy assistance
from US, not ask for assistance be given to them
from US, and so in many ways there are a
value add But the most important thing is to understand
that it's that first island chain that goes from Japan
(39:58):
through Taiwan, through the Philippines down into Southeast Asia that
have common cause. And if they're all doing more to
protect themselves, they're all buying more from America to defend themselves,
and we're keeping our partnerships vital within economically and otherwise.
That's a pretty profound deterrent and it makes the chances
of war go way down.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Steven Yates with us now a senior fellow at the
Heritage Foundation, and just got back from travel with the
Secretary of War all over Asia and on the China front. Stephen,
there was actually a pretty big announcement today. This came
from FBI Director Cash Patel speaking about China and their
(40:40):
role in the fentanyl crisis. Let's play this clip and
then Steve and I wanted to have you react to it.
Play the audio.
Speaker 15 (40:45):
While we the Interagency, the Department of Justice have been
fighting hard to seize and stop drug traffickers, we must
attack fentanyl precursors, the ingredients necessary to make this lethal drug.
That was the sole purpose of my trip to China
to eliminate these pre cursors and if successful, we would
suffocate the drug trafficking organization's ability to manufacture fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
In places like Mexico.
Speaker 15 (41:07):
This was the first time an FBI director has been
to China in over a decade and received the audience
with his counterpart to address this matter directly and again,
thanks to President Trump's directing gaves with President Shei, the
government of China committed fully to my engagement there on
the ground in Beijing at a level never seen before.
While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I met with
(41:29):
my counterpart at MPs where that Chinese government agreed on
a plan to stop fentanyl precursors.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
What does that mean?
Speaker 15 (41:37):
The People's Republic of China has fully designated and listed
all thirteen precursors utilized to make fentanyl effective immediately. Essentially,
President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl
that kills tens of thousands of Americans.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Steven wanted you to react to this big news today
from the White House from the FBI director.
Speaker 14 (41:58):
Well, first and Foremoe, I just I'm very, very grateful
for President Trump and the team making this.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
A very real priority.
Speaker 14 (42:08):
As you know, Buck, my daughter was killed by fensanel
poisoning two years ago, and so I'm not unbiased in
trying to assess who's to blame and what needs to
be done about this, and so I think what Cash
is saying is incredibly important. I would also just add
that this is ten years too late by China. I
have no forgiveness for that regime in the slow and
(42:31):
methodical murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and I
don't think we should have to negotiate people to stop
murdering our eighteen to thirty five year old demographic in America.
That said, we live in a world of bad people,
and the President and his team are serious about trying
to enforce this, I would like to see them go
further and designate these illicit precursors as a weapon of
(42:54):
mass destruction. So, just like the cartels are terrorist organizations,
if you engage in this business, you're at war, and
I would be happy to see you get lit up
the way those boats would.
Speaker 10 (43:04):
Be get lit up with the Caribbean.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Last question for you, and we appreciate that you sharing
that story about your daughter, and I know there's many
people out there that have had similar experiences because unfortunately,
we've been losing one hundred thousand people a year to
fentanyl poisoning. What do you think President Trump would do
if China invaded Taiwan and how would you assess the
(43:30):
probability or likelihood of something like that happening in the
next three years of his term in office.
Speaker 14 (43:37):
Well, I certainly hope that President Trump sees it as
a potential catastrophic development, not because of just the well
being of the people of Taiwan, but it would lead
to such a severe market reaction that it would be
cataclysmic for our own gross domestic product for a sustained
period of time.
Speaker 10 (43:58):
It would call it to.
Speaker 14 (44:00):
Question alliances if we didn't rally to find a way
to push back against this kind of encroachment, and it
would be crippling in this race for ai and other
things that are unfortunately a very very important part of
our future economic and social way of life. So I
hope that he's improving de terrens. I think that's what
(44:23):
Secretary of Hegseth was all about. I think the reform
of the manufacturing supply chain and making sure that those
are safe and clean supply chains are necessary down payment
on getting that right. Having new allies or new leaders
among our allies that are serious about it, like.
Speaker 10 (44:41):
In Japan, all of this is to the good.
Speaker 14 (44:43):
So I'm hoping that directionally we've got the right team
and we're starting to.
Speaker 10 (44:47):
Do the right policies.
Speaker 14 (44:49):
And if there's rationality left engaging they would say, you
know what, this would be a bad data test.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Uncle Sam steven Yates of the Heritage Foundation. Steven, we'll
have you back again soon. A lot of important things
happening in the area of the world that you know best.
Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 10 (45:04):
Thank you Buck, thank you play.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We may
have stepped into a coin loving buzzsaw here Buck. It
is uh, the comments are gonna be very, very funny.
I think on this the poll you can go vote
in it. Thousands of you are already weighing in, and
the general consensus is it's close to fifty to fifty
(47:05):
on whether we should be eliminating all coins. The reason
why I brought that up was because today is reportedly
the last day I saw this on Fox News that
they are going to be producing the penny. It definitely
costs more to produce the penny than the penny is worth,
and so in the future, the smallest coin would now
(47:27):
be the nickel. And I think going forward, you're going
to see more and more arguments about, hey, do we
still need to continue to produce coins. There would still
be coins in circulation, probably for the next hundred years.
I mean, I don't know how long it would go on.
Here's a fun stat for you, Buck before we dive
into phenomenal messenger for the Democrats, Jasmine Crockett. What percentage
(47:52):
of money that exists in the world today actually physically exists?
What percentage of big money fifteen? Good guess, I'm told
it's ten. Okay, I was I was in the RELs,
I was in the rail But yeah, I think that
will blow a lot of your minds out there. In
(48:12):
other words, if you went to the bank and you
have X dollars, and everybody went to the bank and
they have X dollars, I mean this is sort of
a bank run. The physical notes that represent the vast
majority of the wealth in the world, it doesn't exist.
It's just numbers on a computer screen. Only about ten
(48:34):
percent of the dollars in America, of the euros in America,
of all of the different currencies physically exist. That's something
kind of interesting. And the younger you are, young people,
and I saw like an old guy every time I
say that young people, and I'm going to be an
old guy. They don't even carry money, I mean like
(48:55):
the actual physical carrying of money.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
They have their.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
iPhone, they pay with Apple Pay, they have credit cards,
they don't physically carry around cash at all. They have Venmo,
they have Zel, they have all these different ways to
share expenses when they're buying, you know, going out for
dinners or whatever else, concert tickets.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
It's kind of wild. We're moving towards a cashlest society already,
and I think we're moving there in really rapid fashion.
Much to producer Greg Chagrin.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, yes, and I do agree that there are concerns
about not having the privacy and the ability to just
have currency that the government is not tracking and aware
of at all times. But I don't know, man, pennies
not a fan of pennies quarters.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm a little more open to a little more.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
You ever work retail, Did you ever work in a
place where you had to accept cash, make change, like
process transactions. I've done a lot of retail in my life.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Tell everybody Abercrombie and Fitch were they only were they
only hired good looking people when played that, it loves
to remind us all. My wife too a very shy
about it. I'm like, I'm like, so, you were hired
at the Florida Abercrombie or you know, Fitch or like
the Orlando area or whatever because you were cute, right, Like,
just say it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
She's like, no, I was a hard worker. I'm like,
right right.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
It was a the retail jobs that I had. I
worked at American Eagle, now famous because of the Sydney
Sweeney jeans.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
For years.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
I worked at a company called Media Play in the
book section. The idea there was you could buy CDs,
you could buy books. Some of you will remember the
concept big box retailer. And then I worked at Abercrombie
and Fitch Pentagon City Mall in Washington, d C. While
I was in college. One of the best jobs I
ever had buck pretty girls walk in. You got an
(50:50):
immediate excuse to talk to pretty girls. It's like, I mean,
that's basically can tell.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
You the truth.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I got caught up in the world and this was
really common in the or the world of the unpaid
corporate internship I had, and in retrospect I got scammed.
I think it would have been way better now some
some places I got like I worked at the Washington
Institute for Neary's Policy, and they because they actually had
(51:17):
interns do real work, they paid you like you were paid.
It was you know, with maybe three or four hundred
bucks a week or something at the time. But it
was like at the time living in DC with three
roommates over the summer. That was real money. But I
remember other places where I worked and I did. I
worked at the Council on Foreign Relations as an intern.
They didn't pay, and that place has a huge see
(51:40):
if people like CUFAR, that's the globalist and the illuminati. Yeah,
I was an intern there, trust me, No one cared,
no one remembered me. They didn't pay, and people were
There was someone who got a an actual recommendation from
I think it was the Crown Prince of Jordan or
something for one of those internships. Clay people would go
(52:02):
all out for. These didn't matter, these unpaid internships. It
doesn't people. I was like, Oh, it'll transmit a new
a job. What I'm saying is I think your experience
of actually working in commerce and capitalism a much better
play for people, and it establishes something of an economic libido.
You're like, oh, work harder, work longer, more money. An
(52:22):
internship where you're not paid just so you can put
it on your resume, you're actually incentivized to do as
little as possible and get out of there as fast
as possible.
Speaker 6 (52:31):
And I think they're diminishing the number of unpaid internships
in general.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh no, it's there are rules against it now. There
are rules against it now because it became so exploitative.
Like I did want at CBS even News, but I
got school credit for it, so that seemed like a fair.
But I did summer internships, a number of them, starting
when I was even in high school, where I didn't
get any I didn't get paid, and I was just
basically fetching coffee and making xeroxes so I could put
(52:57):
on my resume that I this was a thing in
the ninety Those of you who are elder millennials, not
you old gen X people. Gen X people, you got
to worry about your creaking joints and bones. The elder millennials,
You know what I'm talking about you. We all got
scammed man, late nineties. It was like Clay, I worked
at a a at a music label for a summer
(53:19):
for a couple of months, and it was a complete
waste of my time. This is unexpected. You worked at
a music label for like a month. Yeah, like an internship,
total waste of time. They're like the biggest I think
it was supposed to be all summer. I legitimly told
my parents, like, I'm gonna go play tennis and said,
this is a waste of time.
Speaker 5 (53:34):
So yeah, uh, what was the music label? Death Row?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
No, no, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
It was actually a music publishing company, so it was
kind of like did A and R and it was
owned publishing, right. Clay was the most boring intern I
don't even remember. I was like seventeen. It's the worst
thing I ever worst, the worst way I ever spent
a summer in college. When I was at GW undergrad,
I went and worked on Capitol Hill as part of
being a student in DC, and that was actually somewhat
(54:03):
useful and interesting. But yeah, there's a ton of those
that don't have any impact at all. I was just
thinking nowadays, when you work retail, and a lot of
you out there who work in uh who work in
restaurants or whatever else. I don't even remember the last
time I saw someone pay in a restaurant with cash.
(54:24):
You know, they have all these mobile devices now where
they can come right to your right to your table
and like take all your money. I don't even remember.
A lot of places won't even take cash now.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
We used to.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
The reason I was bringing it up buck is at
the end of the day at American Eagle, and it
doesn't seem very safe.
Speaker 10 (54:40):
Now.
Speaker 6 (54:41):
We would have a big bag of cash that we
would deposit into the bank, that we would clear out
the cash registers with. And I was thinking about it
the other day because if I tried to explain that
to my kids, they wouldn't even understand. And it was
filled with coins, and it was filled with cash, and
we had to tally it up and we had to
take it and we had to deposit it at the
(55:02):
end of the day. There's never any security. I remember thinking,
this doesn't make a lot of sense. There's thousands and
thousands of dollars, But that was what we had to
do because the physical encapsulation of money was such a thing.
And remember in Breaking Bad when he starts to make
real amounts of money, great television show, and he doesn't
even know what to do with all the cash. This
(55:22):
is one of the challenges of the drug trade in general.
It's all a cash business. It takes a lot of
space when you have actual, the physical manifestation of all
that wealth.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Somebody can tell me what the This was a famous
problem that Pablo Escobar, the world's drug kingpin back in
the eighties and nineties and really the original public enemy
number one of the US government in the pre War
on Terror terror era, he had something that they would
call spoilage clay, which was they had so that they
(55:53):
could not find a place to put all the cash
that they were making by selling cocaine in the United States,
and so they would store it underground in palettes and
rats would eat it. And there were some crazy figure
tens of millions of dollars a year. They thought they
were losing to rats eating their cash, because that's how
(56:14):
much cash they were making in the illegal drug trade.
One thing that used to exist in New York It
doesn't really anymore, but there were a number of restaurants
that were famous play for being cash only.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah, and it was basically.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Because it was like they weren't really reporting all the
money they were making, and.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That was the idea issue.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yes, but the irs got way better at calculating the
you know, because they can base it off your inventory,
So what you buy, What are you buying monthly? Oh, really,
you're only making that much, but you're buying this much.
So they have ways of figuring this stuff out. Extants
that was huge. They would avoid reporting the actual dollars
(56:54):
that came into the building. And now obviously you can't
do that with credit card and a lot of you
out there who get tips, it's way easier to track
your tips now when a credit card era than it
ever was when you just got cash handed to you.
Speaker 6 (57:06):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a very all right,
let's play this. We'll react to it a little bit
as we go forward. A lot of discussion about what's
the future of the Democrat Party. You've got spaan Berger
and and the governor in New Jersey who just won
Mickey Cheryl I think was her name, and they're arguing, hey,
we're moderates.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
We know that's a lie, but they're arguing that's the path.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
Mom Donnie is clearly on the far left of the
Democrat Party. And then there is an argument out there
and it is interesting that that the future of the
Democrat Party should actually be defined by Jasmine Crockett, who
Charlemanne the God. You sat with him at a recent
fundraising event. We know, we had dinner. We had dinner
(57:51):
in can with a group as part of our iHeart
festival there and it was it was a great He's
a great company, very very very good time. Okay, so
you probably agree with him as I do that. Yes,
the Democrats are underutilizing Jasmin Crockett. She really is a
phenomenal messenger for their worldview. They should use her more.
Speaker 11 (58:11):
Listen, Dadmin Crockett is actually what the Democrats should be
leaning into, like because she is a phenomenal messenger and
some people just got it, like some people just have
a different annoying on them. She's always on message about something.
I was watching her yesterday and she was like, Yo,
Donald Trump is racist and this whole administration is racist,
(58:34):
and it starts at the top and she just broke
down example after example, and it was so powerful and
so provocative, and you understood what the root of her
issue was and she got you by just saying Donald
Trump is racist and this administration is racist, and let
me tell you why, and then you get into all
of the issues. I'm like, Yo, you need somebody like
Davin Crockett. She is the most effective messenger that the
(58:57):
Democratic Party has right now, and they need to be
using her as a trojan horse.
Speaker 6 (59:03):
Using her as a trojan horse is an interesting analogy there,
because the trojan horse didn't actually work out that well.
Uh necessarily, Uh depends depends on what worked that look
that you're looking at it from. Yes, But but the
concept of Chasmin Crockett as a phenomenal messenger buck, I
(59:24):
think is one of the worst takes if I were
actually telling Democrats what to do.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
This is where you and I.
Speaker 10 (59:32):
She is.
Speaker 14 (59:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
I went from being a unknown congresswoman to being talked
about right here on one of the biggest, if not
the biggest radio programs in the country, Clay. She has
met hurt and it's purely a function of brand you know,
the branding and communication approach that she has. You know,
people were all making fun of AOC the bartender. She's
one of the biggest names in Democrat politics. Now, so
(59:56):
I we're we're in a We're in a new era.
Now you have to be look at mom, Donnie, you
have to be social media savvy. You have to understand
how to go viral and to people who say, oh,
but the crazy things, Yeah, but they just look look
what they did with Biden. They'll just lie about the
crazy things they've said or done. Or even Kamala Kama's like, yeah,
we need transsurgery for foreigners to coming to the country
(01:00:19):
illegally funded by taxpayers, and then when it was time,
she's like, yeah, no, we don't need to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
That's all they'll do.
Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
This is I don't disagree on this. It's great for her,
it's awful I think for the Democrat Party. But to
your point, Buck, you and I were talking about this
off air, there's almost no consequence for crazy anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
We aren't crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Enough, Like our opinions are so rational and reasonable that
you actually are incentivized now to be totally bonkers in everything.
I want to run a psychology experiment where we just
do a podcast play.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We launch a new podcast where I just say therasiest
stuff possible that I know will get the most attention possible,
and then we give all the proceeds to charity, because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think by the way, I think i'd be funding
wings for children's hospitals.
Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
I think we would be Cash is the raasiest thing
that we could argue tongue in cheek for the audience,
but it would go megaviral.
Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
And it's actually a great idea.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
But the only problem is, I don't know if it
would be as crazy as some of the things that
I'm hearing these days, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
There's some interesting stuff online these days, just putting that
out there. Some of us have to stay within the
facts in reality that we live in. But it would
be nice to be able to just get as crazy
as we want.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It'd be kind of a fun experiment.
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Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of d Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The shutdown has.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Come to a shutdown, I guess, or they've unshut it down.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
So that's good.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
That's something that we can certainly have a moment of, well,
if not satisfaction over, we can definitely look at each
other and say, what the heck was that about?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And we're going to do that.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Also got some discussion underway after appearances by the President
himself and also his Secretary of Homeland Security on H
one B visas on immigration, some interesting points coming across,
particularly in an interview with Trump and Fox News's Laura Ingraham.
We will have those discussions. We've also got hopefully an
(00:51):
end to the flight delays or pretty close to an
end of the flight delays here, so that's going on.
That is certainly a good thing. A Secretary of War,
not to be confused with Secretary of Defense, heg Seth
has some thoughts about the reformation of some of the
military that he has put into effect, and we will
(01:13):
discuss that too. But Clay, I want to start with this.
Stephen Miller had some thoughts to share on the Democrat shutdown.
The White Houses own Stephen Miller, this is what he
has to say, Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It was worse than pointless.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
It was cruel, It was capricious, It was dangerous, It
was radical, it was extreme. The Democrats shut down the
government in a failed attempt to extort one point five
trillion dollars for their pet projects, including, as has long
been documented in Black and White, full funding for healthcare,
leaval aliens for several hundred billions of dollars. They resulted in,
(01:49):
as a consequence their shutdown, massive flight delays for the
American people, huge impacts on public safety, federal.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Workers going without pay, people.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Who are living paycheck to paycheck, not being able to
make ends meet. This was a Democrat sabotage of the
Trump economy.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It was clay, and it was used to try to
get maximum turnout result on election day. And Democrats did
have good results, unfortunately in those elections. But it was
deeply cynical, it was destructive, and I hope that the
American people, who are open to the evidence of their
own eyes and ears, will remember the madness that was
(02:28):
inflicted upon us for a month by Democrats pouting and
demanding that they get their way and it was outrageous.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Do you think it's a.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Test potentially for twenty twenty six? In other words, are
they trying to look at the numbers that came out
in Virginia and New Jersey and say, if we're shutting
down the government, does the idea that there's chaos work
against Trump? Is there a larger game plan here? We
(02:58):
know that they gained nothing essentially from this shutdown, but
going forward, did they learn something that they want to apply?
Is there any resonance here or is this just going
to vanish? They're already moving on. I'm watching the news
stories right now. They're not even discussing anything having to
(03:18):
do with the shutdown. They've moved on to emails and
Epstein and everything else there, which they're trying to turn
into a story to connect Trump to Epstein. And they've
been trying to do this for years candidly. But so
is the what is the takeaway? Right you go into
a game, you lose. They lost. Did they test anything,
(03:41):
did they learn anything? It's just so dumb and ineffective
that a part of me thinks there has to be
a larger strategic comparative in play here than just we
shut down everything for forty three days and now everything
is fine.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, if we look at cut twelve here for a
second Clay, this is Hakeem Jeffries, and he is saying
the following about where House Democrats stand on this play twelve.
Speaker 7 (04:06):
House Democrats will strongly oppose any legislation that does not
decisively address the Republican health care crisis. We want to
reopen the government. We'll continue to stand by our hard
working federal employees and civil servants. But we have a
responsibility to make sure that we extend the Affordable Care
Act tax credits so that tens of millions of Americans
(04:27):
don't experience dramatically increase health care costs that's going to
prevent them from being able to see a doctor when
they need one.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Let's unpack this a little bit for second clay, the
Republican healthcare crisis. Okay, let's really look at the facts here.
The facts are as follows. The Democrats during COVID put
in place a multi multi billion dollar temporary all agreed
that it was temporary at the time, basically win fall
(05:00):
for Obamacare exchanges. It's gonna throw billions of dollars into
a on a temporary basis. And now we have come
to a point where the Democrats under Schumer earlier this
year agreed to spending levels without those temporary billions in subsidies.
But then they say, you know what, they're not really temporary.
(05:23):
We want them forever, and we're going to shut down
the government. And this is a Republican problem. I mean
that is, I think when people look at what has
happened here, there's an understanding that the Democrats are being
incredibly dishonest, which is not a surprise to any of us.
But they really don't have a leg to stand on
other than line about what's really happened here.
Speaker 6 (05:45):
Also, this is reflective of everything that is in any
way not permanent. If you end it is described as
a cut right like. The reality is this was a
temporary program that was for its entire existence predicated on
the idea that it would not exist forever as soon
(06:07):
as the temporary program runs out. And the reason why
it was temporary program, buck is they didn't want to
have the cost tallied for decades into the future of
just how expensive this was going to be as soon
as that temporary program runs out. A decision not to
continue with the temporary program is seen as a cut.
(06:28):
The big flaw here that is I think becoming increasingly
clear to so many Americans of all different backgrounds, is
the healthcare industry is broken, and the idea that by
subsidizing healthcare insurance you're going to help with health care costs,
I think has been proven to be frankly one wrong.
(06:51):
And all it is done is inflated the bureaucracy of
the healthcare insurance companies and given them way money. Obamacare
is just a big giveaway to the healthcare insurance industry.
And we talked about this some earlier this week and
last week, but I do think it's significant that if
(07:13):
you pulled Americans and you said what companies do you
hate the most dealing with in America? Don't you think
healthcare insurance would be number one overall?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Buck?
Speaker 6 (07:24):
If you asked Americans, hey, what for profit industry out
there that you have to deal with on a regular
basis do you hate the most? I don't even think
there's a close second. I think it's the healthcare insurance companies,
and unlike car insurance, which is frustrating, but as these
self driving cars come on the market, I actually think
(07:47):
the overall cost of car insurance is going to plummet.
I mean, you can argue as we move into more
and more of a self driving car industry and future,
that that's one where you look at that you say, oh,
the amount of money that we're having to spend on
cars could end up going down in the future, and
I'm optimistic that that could occur. The problem with healthcare
(08:09):
insurance is we're getting more and more older people in
the country, and the amount of healthcare that you need
skyrockets as you age, and so I don't see any
way that this is going to get better. And really
the only way healthcare works, the only way healthcare insurance
(08:31):
works is if there are tons of young people who
basically never need insurance that are paying for older people
who do need insurance. I was meeting with a healthcare
industry guy recently, buck and he said, Hey, we got
killed in our company. He said, how do you think
we got killed in the company recently? And I said,
(08:52):
I don't know. He said, we had people going out
and signing up young people. What is the one thing
that could crush you If you're a health insurance company
and you're signing up young people, pregnant women because the
cost of having a baby is high, and so somehow
the cost of these insurance companies pregnant women all got
(09:15):
signed up. A cost of having a baby is expensive,
and that's basically for young people.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
For people under the age of thirty five.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
The only way under forty the only way that these
health insurance companies really get hit is when they have
expensive when people have kids. Otherwise, most people putting money
in never use it, and elderly people are able to
benefit from that. The problem is now we have way
too few young people and a huge exit, huge influx
(09:47):
of older people.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
It's gonna bring Well.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
This is where you see the problem lies. It's all
about hiding what's really going on from people so that
they can't understand where the money is being spent and
what their role in this whole system is. Because if
you buy insurance as an individual, something like seventy percent
they estimate clay of the people who buy insurance on
(10:12):
the individual marketplace, right, so not company subsidized, which is
a whole other component of this. Seventy percent of them
said that if without the billions in subsidies from the government,
the enhanced subsidies, they would have a huge increase in
their premiums that they would not be able to afford.
Why is that right? Why are the individual marketplaces so
(10:37):
very expensive? Why is it that people keep seeing their
premiums going up year after year. It's not insurance. If
you are young and healthy, you are forced into this system.
And when I say young, I mean relatively young, thirties, forties, fifties.
You are forced into this system to subsidize the care
(11:00):
for the old and the sick. Now, if that's what
we have to do as a society, that's one thing,
but we at least need to have an honest conversation
about that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
You are not getting a good.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Deal if you are in your thirties, forties, and fifties
and you are getting anything that is a health insurance
plan on the individual market, anything that is Obamacare approved, Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Any of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Well, and I may be, I think there's a lot
of people around my age that kind of are in
this world. I care less about the individual expense and
more about just having catastrophic protection. It's highly unlikely that
you're going to have a catastrophic health issue. We hope
(11:45):
in the same way, that I bet you, Buck, have
taken out life insurance now that you have a baby.
A lot of dads and moms out there, when they
have kids, they go back and they look at their
overall expenses and they say, Okay, what if the worst
case scenario happens to me? Highly unlikely? The insurance companies
look at you. If you get a decent amount of
(12:05):
health insurance, they come out and take as much of
your blood as they can. They run your all your
vitals to try and make sure that there's not something
out there that is an issue. Most people only are
concerned about catastrophic issues, particularly when you're in your forties,
your thirties, your twenties, and that isn't actually that expensive
(12:29):
in the grand scheme of things. But the problem is,
again that's just a math equation. We don't have enough
young people to deal with what people in their sixties
and seventies are going to be costing for health care.
Here's another part of this, Buck that very few people
talk about. Probably fifty percent of the medical coverage that
(12:50):
our average people get in the United States is completely
unnecessary because doctors are afraid of being sued and so
they don't think that you need that MRI. They don't
think that you need that cat scan, but they go
ahead and check the box because if they get sued
and something really wrong, something is really wrong with you,
(13:13):
then they want to be able to say, oh, we
gave as much standard of care as we could, not
to mention the hospital makes money on it.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
So I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think we could eliminate fifty percent of all healthcare
one positive buck. I do think some of these glps,
which could drive down obesity, if they are widely distributed,
could could start to decline because obesity is probably the
leading cause.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Of no care right now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And I'm not a doctor, but I am allowed to
have opinions on national policy when it comes to health.
If we took some of the tens of billions of
dollars wasted on nonsense in the healthcare apparatus and directly
subsidiz GLP medicaid because right now, I look, these companies,
(14:03):
they're going to make their money. They have a right
to make their money because they did their research all
that stuff. Right, we're capitalists, Okay, But if you want
to talk about government subsidies, subsidizing and this is by
the way, it straight for me. Elon Musk, he said
the same thing, widely subsidizing GLP one access to medication
for people, not making it free, but make me know
(14:23):
subsidized because it's crazy expensive.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Now I don't know that's right.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
It's thousands of dollars a month or something if you
can't get your insurance to cover it, and insurance doesn't
want to cover it because it's so expensive. The healthcare
costs that this would actually bring down clay for individuals
and the whole nation. It would it would pay for
itself many many times over. That that's just the reality
of the way that obesity is two hundred billion dollars
(14:46):
a year of healthcare spending.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
I'm cautiously optimistic that is if you want to have
a positive on healthcare, I am cautiously optimistic. These are
for by the way, what are the companies Jarrow we
Go The ozempic is the super famous one. This is
Eli Lilly, this is Pfizer, this is the big drug giants.
These drugs are changing people's lives all over the place.
(15:10):
And so if we can drive down obesity, we drive
down the need for as much medical coverage. To your point, buck,
we could potentially save hundreds of billions of dollars in healthcare.
It's a positive out there. If you need to we
have AI.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
I know, we got we got to jump into break here,
clib We have AI doing all these things first. Now
it's amazing. I get there are cheeseburgers. Maybe this ozempic
and cheeseburgers go ahead, but there are cheeseburgers being delivered
to me by robot? Can AI handle this so that
I don't have to spend thirty minutes filling out paperwork
every time I go to every doctor, even when I
fill out stuff online before I go, Like, can't we
(15:43):
get to the point where the bureaucracy of medicine at
least is less of a total disaster.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Doctors want that too, because the amount of time that
they have to spend on paperwork to serve you'uriating. By
the way, it's all the insurance companies do this to
make it as a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
They actually do this on purpose.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
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Speaker 1 (17:33):
Thanks for being here, everybody appreciate all of you. So
our friend Laura ingram Over at Fox News had a
sit down with President Trump and they got into a
whole range of issues, very good interviews, and there's a
couple of moments, a couple of takeaways from it that
(17:54):
I think it's important for us to have a little
discussion about. One of them is it gets to H
one B visas and the government, the administration approach to
the H one B visas, which this was a discussion
that led right around.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
A year ago.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Actually, there was a pretty intense online exchange about this
involving Elon Musk, who went completely scored short in favor
of H one b's until people provided him with the
data the information to show that the H one B
visa program is actually really abused and it can be
(18:34):
very exploitative and it's unfair to the American people. It
needs dramatic reform. And Vivak Ramaswami also weighed in on
this one, and it was a moment where Mago was saying,
hold on a second, I don't think that we have
to celebrate other cultures over American culture. When it comes
(18:56):
to excellence, I think America is the culture of global excellence.
It was not a good moment for mister vick uh,
And there was a lot of back and forth, and
it was all over this H one B situation. Now
Lord Ingram pressed Trump on this uh, and here is
(19:16):
how the exchange went play cut one.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
Does that mean the H one B visa thing will
not be a big priority for your administration, because if
you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't
flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds.
Speaker 10 (19:29):
Of Also, do have to bring in talent.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
When we come to talent, you don't.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
We don't have talent.
Speaker 12 (19:36):
Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and
you have to people have to learn. You can't take
people off an unemployed like an unemployment line and say
I'm going to put you into a factory.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
We're going to make missiles or I'm going to put
how do.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We ever do it before?
Speaker 10 (19:49):
Well, and I I'll give you an example.
Speaker 12 (19:51):
In Georgia they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They
had people from from South Korea that need battery all
their lives. You know, making batteries are very complicated and
it's not an easy thing and a very dangerous a
lot of explosions, a lot of problems. They had like
five or six hundred people early stages to make batteries
(20:12):
and to teach people how to do it. Well, they
wanted them to get out of the country.
Speaker 10 (20:16):
You're gonna need that lure.
Speaker 12 (20:17):
I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
You can't just say a country's coming in, going to
invest ten billion dollars to build a plant and going
to take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked
in five years, and they're going to start making missiles.
Speaker 10 (20:31):
It doesn't okay down Well, this.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Is a very important discussion. But Clay, We're sorry, guys.
We we got to put a pin in it because
we were gonna have Robbie Starbick gone. We had a
little tech issue. But we can get him on now.
The phone line situation got squared away, so Robbie Starbuck
joins us. Now he's a conservative activist and many of
(20:53):
you're familiar with his work. Robbie, thanks for being here.
Tell us your story, man, because you wanted to come on,
and I think people to know about what's been going on.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
Yeah, thanks trapping me on. Yeah, it's been wild. What
has happened? So essentially two years ago I found out
that Google's AI, which then was called Barred, was saying
all kinds of crazy stuff about me that just wasn't true,
from saying that I was a supporter of the KKKA
to even making arguments for the death penalty because I
guess some of my takes offend people on the left.
(21:22):
But then it got much worse when they introduced Gemini
and Gemma. Gemini and Gemma went so far as to
make accusations that I was accused of sexual assault, of
raping people, including people who are PG is possible for
the audience in case there's kids in the car. But
you know, it can't be stressed enough how hard we
(21:44):
tried to get Google to stop this.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I notified them starting two.
Speaker 13 (21:47):
Years ago that this was going on, and my lawyers
at Dylan Law firm have been repeatedly letting them know
and sending season desist letters throughout this year, and Google
just continued to allow this stuff to go on. The
lies got so intense, so elaborate that you almost can't
believe it. And it came from prompts as simple as
tell me about Robbi Starbuck or somebody looking me up, right.
So this wasn't somebody saying, hey, invent the story. It
(22:09):
was as simple as tell me about this guy, right.
And it got so detailed that it invented fake court records,
fake police records, fake victims, fake therapy records. And it
would get so detailed that if you said, hey, what
are your sources for this, it would invent fake court
records and also fake media articles. Okay, so it would
say foxnews dot com slash Robbie Starbucks sexual assault allegations
(22:31):
or something along those lines. And it did that with
all of the major media outlets essentially and some of
the biggest figures in media. It even invented fake statements
from JD. Vans and President Trump about the situation. So
this is obviously incredibly dangerous and you have to wonder
why this is happening, right, because something is feeding this
information to the AI, and that we intend to find
out in discovery. But if you think about like the
(22:52):
long side of this, right, like look ten years down
the line, control of our country is decided by a
very small number of swing seats, and it's very easy
to envision a future where this type of you know,
malicious AI is deployed against every right wing candidate in
those swing seats, and you're able to shift five to
six percent of the vote based on telling wise about
(23:14):
the candidates to voters who reach out saying, hey, tell
me there's a difference between these two candidates.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
This is a hugely important story, and I appreciate you
coming on. We're talking to Robbie Starbuck. You just heard
him lay out what happened with Google AI. There's a
lawsuit pending. But if they could do this to you,
and this is where I think this becomes so important
and you just hit on it. I mean, they could
do it to yes, Republican Senate candidates, Republican presidential candidates,
(23:41):
Republican congressional candidates. But I think a lot of people
out there also know that arguably at least those guys
can punch back. Why couldn't they do this to anyone?
In America where Google what happens when your name is
googled is probably the number one most important thing on
the Internet. I would say for most people in most professions,
(24:05):
this seems hugely important, not just for what happened to you,
but for the message that it's sending.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
It could happen to anyone. What are you trying to
do to remedy.
Speaker 13 (24:13):
It, Clay, I was hoping you'd bring that up, because
You're exactly right. The biggest problem is not that even
this is happening to me. Obviously, I'm concerned to damage
my reputation and all those things, but I'm thinking about
my kids, like this can happen to your son, your daughter,
your wife, your husband, and it could eliminate your ability
to get jobs. I mean, I want people to think
about this. How far AI is reaching into our lives.
(24:34):
It's already being used in reputation scoring for insurance, which,
by the way, crazy story. I was actually denied insurance
by I think it was five insurers this last year.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I've never been denied my life.
Speaker 13 (24:43):
I'm an auto pay person, never been in a car
accident like there is no reason I should be denied
for insurance. It took until the sixth insure for us
to even get an offer from a major insurance company.
Every other one said risky. Wouldn't tell us why, and
we're going to have to figure out through discovery if
it was because it was pulling that information from AI.
But you can get debanked, you can, you know, have
(25:04):
what a job interviewers often do, They google the people
who are applying for jobs, right, And so you get
googled on Gemini and they tell this potential job that
you're actually accused of some heinous crime, you know, and
this could be as simple as getting back at you
for your politics that Google doesn't share, right. So it's
very easy to see where this can get very dangerous,
(25:24):
very fast. And so I think, you know, part of
the remedy here isn't just making me whole and you know,
fixing the situation. It's fixing the problem for good and
setting a standard and setting precedent that AI cannot harm humans.
That needs to be the first principle of AI, because
if you allow it on this level where it's deflammatory, right,
you're baking that in at the root level of a
(25:45):
tree that is either going to bear fruit that helps
humanity grow into abundance, or you're going to grow poison
fruit and it's going to be to the detriment of humanity.
What you bake in that root is very important. So
we're teaching AI now what is going to later be
very important, and it's deployment across all platforms and law enforcement, medicine,
everything else. And so that's why I feel like this
(26:06):
is a critically important fight. I'm thinking ten years out,
fifteen years out, how deeply this is going to affect
all of us and our kids.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
What was it like when you were trying to get
answers in the early stage and then throughout from a
company like Google that is so vastly powerful, influential, connected
and resourced. Yet I can only imagine Robbie, like, if
this happened to me, I wouldn't even know who do
you call for email? Who can you get to actually
(26:35):
sit down or speak to you as a human to
try to address this. Feels like you were probably in
a very kafka esque like where do I go for justice?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Situation?
Speaker 13 (26:45):
Yeah, it was very confusing, honestly, even with me, where
I'm able to get in front of the media. I'm
able to you know, pay lawyers to be able to
do this stuff. But back then, initially I raised the
red flag about this publicly, just adding the and direct
messaging people at Google like hey, can you get this fix?
And eventually a Google employee reached out to me, and
(27:05):
this lady seemed like she wanted to help. So I
laid out the whole story and send screenshots from the
people who had sent them to.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Me and that we were able to recreate these.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
She says, okay, I want to help, and I checked
in over time, and it was about three months later
she lets me know, I'm so sorry I wasn't able
to fix this. And this is in a lawsuit. We
put this like, we put all the receipts. Okay, she said,
I'm so sorry I wasn't able to help. I am
resigning today and she resigned. And then things got much
worse with Gemma and Gemini. And here's the other thing
(27:35):
that's really scary, right, is that you'd think a company
like this could fix all this, right, Well, it took
until last week to finally get them to fix some
of this stuff in the actual app and the Google
Dot com website. But here's what's crazy. They're over one
hundred and fifty million wild downloads of Gemma. Gemma is
also used by developers beyond just being a chatbot to
(27:57):
help develop apps that power the future. Right and Gemini
same thing. Gemini has a bunch of uncountable digital downloads.
We don't even know what that number is. In many
of these, they can never be connected to the Internet
or won't be connected to the Internet, and cannot be
fixed remotely by Google. So these things, which will be
used in many different contexts over god knows how long,
(28:17):
can never be changed.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And that's pretty.
Speaker 13 (28:20):
Wild, and I think that's something that also has to
change in this process.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
You're in the process of going through discovery and finding
all this stuff out buck you mentioned how do you
even get a person to be able to address We
found out when we sold OutKick to Fox. Fox went
through the deep dive and they said, hey, you're not
indexed on Google. And I knew that was true because
we would break news on OutKick and then we would
(28:46):
never show up at the top of Google search results.
And we had gone through this four or five different
times with them, and they had said everything's fine. Somebody
had just taken us out of the Google search results, Robbie.
That had to be an individual, right, somebody just they
don't like me. They're one of you know, thousands and thousands,
tens of thousands of Google employees. They hide your site
(29:07):
over in the refuse so that you can't be found.
Do you feel like, and again, I know the discovery
is underway, do you feel like ultimately this is malice
driven by an individual or individuals inside of the company
to have set up or and I know I'm asking
you to speculate a little bit. Do you think this
(29:28):
is just Ai run a muck and for some reason
you happen to get dragged through the cycle like this.
Speaker 13 (29:36):
So there's two different things here. One is, you know,
does it meet the legal standard of malice? No matter what, Absolutely,
it doesn't matter what the intent was. The fact was
they were notified so many times over the course of
two years to fix this, and they didn't fix it,
And they continually repeatedly told the same lies, inventing the
same situations with similar victims and evidence and all these
fake news articles and everything. That's growth negligence that equal malice.
Speaker 10 (30:00):
Right.
Speaker 13 (30:01):
But then there's my personal view, right, My personal view
is one where I can't I can't get myself to
a place where I think this is just AI run
a muck, right, because Google's response publicly has been to
essentially excuse this as hallucinations, is what they say, Well,
you deep dive into hallucinations. And I've talked to AI experts.
They're typically kind of disjointed and kind of like weird, right,
(30:25):
They're pulling things from different places and kind of mixing
them all together. There's too many similar threads and too
many commonalities in what it continually repeated about me for
it to fit a hallucination pattern, by my estimation from
talking to these experts. And I think lawyers agree with this,
and so when you look at it from that context,
it's very hard for me to get anywhere except for
(30:46):
thinking this was deliberately poisoned. So that's how I view it, right,
is it seems deliberate when you get as detailed as
these things did, and you repeatedly refuse to own up
to the fact that it's a lie, and this is
what's crazy, Like you can literally answer.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Back to this AI.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And we had people saying things like, hey, these news
stories are totally false.
Speaker 13 (31:06):
Nothing like this ever happened, and it would double and
triple down that it did happen, And it went so
far on one occasion to actually create a fake article
in a real journalist's name when somebody pressed the AI
and saying the link didn't work to the story it
was sending them, so it literally invented a fake news story.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I want people to think about this.
Speaker 13 (31:24):
Right, we're at this precipice where we have all these
image generators and voice generators and video generators, but they're
not all quite interconnected to the chatbots as well as
they will be a year or two from now, maybe
even less.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Had this continued to happen.
Speaker 13 (31:39):
For another year or two, it would have literally been
inventing fake videos and audio of me doing these crimes.
I want people to think about that, because if you've
seen the AI outputs that we're seeing in video and audio,
there's currently a top charting music artist I think it's
called Breaking Russ that is AI right like, and you
can't distinguish it from a human being. It sounds like
a real human mus position. That is so incredibly dangerous,
(32:03):
And again, I imagine our sons and our daughters facing
accusations with fake AI videos and audio. It's very clear
when you think about that, that we need guardrails.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
No doubt, Robbie, this is fantastic. If people want to
know more about this story, where would you tell them to?
Speaker 10 (32:18):
Go?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Follow me on social media?
Speaker 13 (32:21):
YouTube x at Robbie Starbuck Robbi Starbuck, or go to
robbistarbuck dot com if you want to read the actual lawsuit.
We've put it up there in case anybody wants.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
To read the full thing. Even lawyers who don't like me, people.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Who hate me, have said, like dang, they have absolutely
an incredible case. So I think it's a seminal case
in the fight for fairness and getting rid of bias
and AI.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Appreciate the time. It is an important story. Keep us updated.
We want to continue to share this story as we
move along.
Speaker 13 (32:47):
Thank you, gentlemen for shinming a light on it.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
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Speaker 5 (34:00):
Do you know him as conservative radio hosts?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Now, just get to know them as guys.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
On this Sunday hang podcast with Clay and Buck. Find
it in their podcast feed on the iHeartRadio app or
wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We're joined by my longtime friend and friend of the
show here and my guide for all things Taiwan. Recently
Stephen Yates. He is a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.
He's a former senior Administration official and national security under
the Bush administration. And as I said before, he's a
(34:37):
fluent Mandarin speaker, and I saw him in action in Taiwan.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It was very impressive. Steven.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I know you're still recovering from some crazy jet lag.
Thanks for making the time for us.
Speaker 14 (34:46):
Well, Bucket's wonderful to join, and thanks very much for
the kind intro.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Please give us a census to you just went. I
mean it was quite a world tour. You were traveling
with the press pool of the Secretary of War. Now
I have to keep reminding myself Secretor of War. Hegset
but President Trump was over there in Asia.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Where did you go? What were the meetings, what were.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The big policy takeaways and your most important observations?
Speaker 10 (35:12):
Well, thank you, Buck.
Speaker 14 (35:12):
There's a few things that really stand out. I mean,
really the first thing was we did go to Japan
Malaysia for the Southeast Asian Osion. The Defense ministerial meetings.
Speaker 10 (35:26):
That allowed for bilateral.
Speaker 14 (35:28):
Meetings with the nine countries of asion, but also with India, Australia,
Japan and Korea there and then we went up from
Malaysia through Vietnam to Korea and then from Korea all
the way home. I'll just remind the audience this is
on the doomsday plane from which nuclear retaliation can be
(35:48):
called after the apocalypse begins. Kind of a fun ride,
but that plane I think is older than the Secretary,
and I pray that the Secretary gets new planes soon.
Speaker 10 (35:58):
Just as an Asia.
Speaker 14 (36:00):
But that fourteen hour flight home to Andrews is quite
an adventure, going through the aerial refueling, some.
Speaker 10 (36:06):
Cool helicopter rides.
Speaker 14 (36:08):
Very fun stuff in some sense, but serious policy. I
think the first number one it put the lie to
the notion that somehow the Trump administration is isolationist. This
is opposite of isolationism. The President had a very widespread
tour through the Indo Pacific region, major meetings and decisions
(36:31):
made in that region. The first stop with Secretary of
Hegseth was Japan. The new prime minister there is a
gang busters iron Lady of East Asia loves America, loves Japan,
is good for the alliance. She paid deep respect for
our troops, The President, the Prime Minister were there, Secretary
of Hegseth were there. I think the troops loved that.
(36:53):
I thought it was a really wonderful message to the alliance.
So first, the Trump administration is engaging the world. It's
just differently and the establishment doesn't know what to do
about that. But it's not isolationism, and alliances are largely
happy and improving. A lot of the defense spending increases
are happening. They need to move further faster, but it's
(37:15):
directionally correct, and I think that was attested to when
the Defense minister from the Philippines just spoke so positively
and effusively about America's engagement with them as they're challenged
by the communist Chinese. And just the final point, Buck,
I'd say, just watching Secretary of Pe Hexsas in action.
(37:35):
You and I have known him from our younger days
and commentary. It was great to see him in action
in this regard. I mean, he spoke clearly, decisively and
without wavering about the China challenge to the United States
but also the region, and he did it with the
Chinese in the room.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
And the message was the same.
Speaker 14 (37:54):
Whether it's public private, no matter who was there, and
I just thought that kind of consistency, clarity, conviction to purpose.
It was good to see and I would expect no
less out of peat.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
Steve Buck just came back from Taiwan. He's talked a
lot about it. If you were telling.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Steve was my shirpa in Taiwan, so he was there
every step of the way, he was translating in the meetings, if.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
You were telling us out there, hey, this is what
I would be concerned about. This is what you should
be concerned about. I'm presuming Taiwan and what happens with
China would probably be number one on your list?
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (38:34):
And how much higher is that on your list of
concern than other things? How should we calibrate concerns in
Trump two point zero in that respect, Oh.
Speaker 14 (38:46):
Clay, I think there's a couple of things first, and
Buck has had to listen to me say this.
Speaker 10 (38:52):
Over and over.
Speaker 14 (38:53):
But basically, what happens in Taiwan is not a Taiwan
only situation. Japan has a fundamental national interest in the
status quo being maintained, and that Taiwan continue to be
a free and democratic territory, and that China is not
able to dominate those air and sea lanes around it
through which fifty percent of the world's container traffic go.
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So if you imagine an economy that is rocked by
fifty percent of those containers carrying all your cheap goods
to your doorstep by way of Amazon or elsewhere going
could put for a time, then this matters, and it
matters for more than just the transactional notion of are
we buying things? But Taiwan is also part of the
value chain. They have major companies that are helping us
(39:37):
have a shot at winning the ai race and finding
ways to adapt their military capabilities. They also buy assistance
from US, not ask for assistance be given to them
from US, and so in many ways there are a
value add But the most important thing is to understand
that it's that first island chain that goes from Japan
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through Taiwan, through the Philippines down into Southeast Asia that
have common cause. And if they're all doing more to
protect themselves, they're all buying more from America to defend themselves,
and we're keeping our partnerships vital within economically and otherwise.
That's a pretty profound deterrent and it makes the chances
of war go way down.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Steven Yates with us now a senior fellow at the
Heritage Foundation, and just got back from travel with the
Secretary of War all over Asia and on the China front. Stephen,
there was actually a pretty big announcement today. This came
from FBI Director Cash Patel speaking about China and their
(40:40):
role in the fentanyl crisis. Let's play this clip and
then Steve and I wanted to have you react to it.
Play the audio.
Speaker 15 (40:45):
While we the Interagency, the Department of Justice have been
fighting hard to seize and stop drug traffickers, we must
attack fentanyl precursors, the ingredients necessary to make this lethal drug.
That was the sole purpose of my trip to China
to eliminate these pre cursors and if successful, we would
suffocate the drug trafficking organization's ability to manufacture fentanyl.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
In places like Mexico.
Speaker 15 (41:07):
This was the first time an FBI director has been
to China in over a decade and received the audience
with his counterpart to address this matter directly and again,
thanks to President Trump's directing gaves with President Shei, the
government of China committed fully to my engagement there on
the ground in Beijing at a level never seen before.
While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I met with
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my counterpart at MPs where that Chinese government agreed on
a plan to stop fentanyl precursors.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
What does that mean?
Speaker 15 (41:37):
The People's Republic of China has fully designated and listed
all thirteen precursors utilized to make fentanyl effective immediately. Essentially,
President Trump has shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl
that kills tens of thousands of Americans.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Steven wanted you to react to this big news today
from the White House from the FBI director.
Speaker 14 (41:58):
Well, first and Foremoe, I just I'm very, very grateful
for President Trump and the team making this.
Speaker 10 (42:04):
A very real priority.
Speaker 14 (42:08):
As you know, Buck, my daughter was killed by fensanel
poisoning two years ago, and so I'm not unbiased in
trying to assess who's to blame and what needs to
be done about this, and so I think what Cash
is saying is incredibly important. I would also just add
that this is ten years too late by China. I
have no forgiveness for that regime in the slow and
(42:31):
methodical murder of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and I
don't think we should have to negotiate people to stop
murdering our eighteen to thirty five year old demographic in America.
That said, we live in a world of bad people,
and the President and his team are serious about trying
to enforce this, I would like to see them go
further and designate these illicit precursors as a weapon of
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mass destruction. So, just like the cartels are terrorist organizations,
if you engage in this business, you're at war, and
I would be happy to see you get lit up
the way those boats would.
Speaker 10 (43:04):
Be get lit up with the Caribbean.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Last question for you, and we appreciate that you sharing
that story about your daughter, and I know there's many
people out there that have had similar experiences because unfortunately,
we've been losing one hundred thousand people a year to
fentanyl poisoning. What do you think President Trump would do
if China invaded Taiwan and how would you assess the
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probability or likelihood of something like that happening in the
next three years of his term in office.
Speaker 14 (43:37):
Well, I certainly hope that President Trump sees it as
a potential catastrophic development, not because of just the well
being of the people of Taiwan, but it would lead
to such a severe market reaction that it would be
cataclysmic for our own gross domestic product for a sustained
period of time.
Speaker 10 (43:58):
It would call it to.
Speaker 14 (44:00):
Question alliances if we didn't rally to find a way
to push back against this kind of encroachment, and it
would be crippling in this race for ai and other
things that are unfortunately a very very important part of
our future economic and social way of life. So I
hope that he's improving de terrens. I think that's what
(44:23):
Secretary of Hegseth was all about. I think the reform
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on getting that right. Having new allies or new leaders
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In Japan, all of this is to the good.
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So I'm hoping that directionally we've got the right team
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Do the right policies.
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And if there's rationality left engaging they would say, you
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Thanks for being with us.
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Thank you Buck, thank you play.
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For sure.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We may
have stepped into a coin loving buzzsaw here Buck. It
is uh, the comments are gonna be very, very funny.
I think on this the poll you can go vote
in it. Thousands of you are already weighing in, and
the general consensus is it's close to fifty to fifty
(47:05):
on whether we should be eliminating all coins. The reason
why I brought that up was because today is reportedly
the last day I saw this on Fox News that
they are going to be producing the penny. It definitely
costs more to produce the penny than the penny is worth,
and so in the future, the smallest coin would now
(47:27):
be the nickel. And I think going forward, you're going
to see more and more arguments about, hey, do we
still need to continue to produce coins. There would still
be coins in circulation, probably for the next hundred years.
I mean, I don't know how long it would go on.
Here's a fun stat for you, Buck before we dive
into phenomenal messenger for the Democrats, Jasmine Crockett. What percentage
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of money that exists in the world today actually physically exists?
What percentage of big money fifteen? Good guess, I'm told
it's ten. Okay, I was I was in the RELs,
I was in the rail But yeah, I think that
will blow a lot of your minds out there. In
(48:12):
other words, if you went to the bank and you
have X dollars, and everybody went to the bank and
they have X dollars, I mean this is sort of
a bank run. The physical notes that represent the vast
majority of the wealth in the world, it doesn't exist.
It's just numbers on a computer screen. Only about ten
(48:34):
percent of the dollars in America, of the euros in America,
of all of the different currencies physically exist. That's something
kind of interesting. And the younger you are, young people,
and I saw like an old guy every time I
say that young people, and I'm going to be an
old guy. They don't even carry money, I mean like
(48:55):
the actual physical carrying of money.
Speaker 5 (48:57):
They have their.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
iPhone, they pay with Apple Pay, they have credit cards,
they don't physically carry around cash at all. They have Venmo,
they have Zel, they have all these different ways to
share expenses when they're buying, you know, going out for
dinners or whatever else, concert tickets.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
It's kind of wild. We're moving towards a cashlest society already,
and I think we're moving there in really rapid fashion.
Much to producer Greg Chagrin.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, yes, and I do agree that there are concerns
about not having the privacy and the ability to just
have currency that the government is not tracking and aware
of at all times. But I don't know, man, pennies
not a fan of pennies quarters.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I'm a little more open to a little more.
Speaker 6 (49:48):
You ever work retail, Did you ever work in a
place where you had to accept cash, make change, like
process transactions. I've done a lot of retail in my life.
Speaker 1 (49:59):
Tell everybody Abercrombie and Fitch were they only were they
only hired good looking people when played that, it loves
to remind us all. My wife too a very shy
about it. I'm like, I'm like, so, you were hired
at the Florida Abercrombie or you know, Fitch or like
the Orlando area or whatever because you were cute, right, Like,
just say it.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
She's like, no, I was a hard worker. I'm like,
right right.
Speaker 6 (50:20):
It was a the retail jobs that I had. I
worked at American Eagle, now famous because of the Sydney
Sweeney jeans.
Speaker 5 (50:28):
For years.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
I worked at a company called Media Play in the
book section. The idea there was you could buy CDs,
you could buy books. Some of you will remember the
concept big box retailer. And then I worked at Abercrombie
and Fitch Pentagon City Mall in Washington, d C. While
I was in college. One of the best jobs I
ever had buck pretty girls walk in. You got an
(50:50):
immediate excuse to talk to pretty girls. It's like, I mean,
that's basically can tell.
Speaker 10 (50:54):
You the truth.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I got caught up in the world and this was
really common in the or the world of the unpaid
corporate internship I had, and in retrospect I got scammed.
I think it would have been way better now some
some places I got like I worked at the Washington
Institute for Neary's Policy, and they because they actually had
(51:17):
interns do real work, they paid you like you were paid.
It was you know, with maybe three or four hundred
bucks a week or something at the time. But it
was like at the time living in DC with three
roommates over the summer. That was real money. But I
remember other places where I worked and I did. I
worked at the Council on Foreign Relations as an intern.
They didn't pay, and that place has a huge see
(51:40):
if people like CUFAR, that's the globalist and the illuminati. Yeah,
I was an intern there, trust me, No one cared,
no one remembered me. They didn't pay, and people were
There was someone who got a an actual recommendation from
I think it was the Crown Prince of Jordan or
something for one of those internships. Clay people would go
(52:02):
all out for. These didn't matter, these unpaid internships. It
doesn't people. I was like, Oh, it'll transmit a new
a job. What I'm saying is I think your experience
of actually working in commerce and capitalism a much better
play for people, and it establishes something of an economic libido.
You're like, oh, work harder, work longer, more money. An
(52:22):
internship where you're not paid just so you can put
it on your resume, you're actually incentivized to do as
little as possible and get out of there as fast
as possible.
Speaker 6 (52:31):
And I think they're diminishing the number of unpaid internships
in general.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Oh no, it's there are rules against it now. There
are rules against it now because it became so exploitative.
Like I did want at CBS even News, but I
got school credit for it, so that seemed like a fair.
But I did summer internships, a number of them, starting
when I was even in high school, where I didn't
get any I didn't get paid, and I was just
basically fetching coffee and making xeroxes so I could put
(52:57):
on my resume that I this was a thing in
the ninety Those of you who are elder millennials, not
you old gen X people. Gen X people, you got
to worry about your creaking joints and bones. The elder millennials,
You know what I'm talking about you. We all got
scammed man, late nineties. It was like Clay, I worked
at a a at a music label for a summer
(53:19):
for a couple of months, and it was a complete
waste of my time. This is unexpected. You worked at
a music label for like a month. Yeah, like an internship,
total waste of time. They're like the biggest I think
it was supposed to be all summer. I legitimly told
my parents, like, I'm gonna go play tennis and said,
this is a waste of time.
Speaker 5 (53:34):
So yeah, uh, what was the music label? Death Row?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
No, no, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
It was actually a music publishing company, so it was
kind of like did A and R and it was
owned publishing, right. Clay was the most boring intern I
don't even remember. I was like seventeen. It's the worst
thing I ever worst, the worst way I ever spent
a summer in college. When I was at GW undergrad,
I went and worked on Capitol Hill as part of
being a student in DC, and that was actually somewhat
(54:03):
useful and interesting. But yeah, there's a ton of those
that don't have any impact at all. I was just
thinking nowadays, when you work retail, and a lot of
you out there who work in uh who work in
restaurants or whatever else. I don't even remember the last
time I saw someone pay in a restaurant with cash.
(54:24):
You know, they have all these mobile devices now where
they can come right to your right to your table
and like take all your money. I don't even remember.
A lot of places won't even take cash now.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
We used to.
Speaker 6 (54:35):
The reason I was bringing it up buck is at
the end of the day at American Eagle, and it
doesn't seem very safe.
Speaker 10 (54:40):
Now.
Speaker 6 (54:41):
We would have a big bag of cash that we
would deposit into the bank, that we would clear out
the cash registers with. And I was thinking about it
the other day because if I tried to explain that
to my kids, they wouldn't even understand. And it was
filled with coins, and it was filled with cash, and
we had to tally it up and we had to
take it and we had to deposit it at the
(55:02):
end of the day. There's never any security. I remember thinking,
this doesn't make a lot of sense. There's thousands and
thousands of dollars, But that was what we had to
do because the physical encapsulation of money was such a thing.
And remember in Breaking Bad when he starts to make
real amounts of money, great television show, and he doesn't
even know what to do with all the cash. This
(55:22):
is one of the challenges of the drug trade in general.
It's all a cash business. It takes a lot of
space when you have actual, the physical manifestation of all
that wealth.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Somebody can tell me what the This was a famous
problem that Pablo Escobar, the world's drug kingpin back in
the eighties and nineties and really the original public enemy
number one of the US government in the pre War
on Terror terror era, he had something that they would
call spoilage clay, which was they had so that they
(55:53):
could not find a place to put all the cash
that they were making by selling cocaine in the United States,
and so they would store it underground in palettes and
rats would eat it. And there were some crazy figure
tens of millions of dollars a year. They thought they
were losing to rats eating their cash, because that's how
(56:14):
much cash they were making in the illegal drug trade.
One thing that used to exist in New York It
doesn't really anymore, but there were a number of restaurants
that were famous play for being cash only.
Speaker 5 (56:24):
Yeah, and it was basically.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Because it was like they weren't really reporting all the
money they were making, and.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
That was the idea issue.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yes, but the irs got way better at calculating the
you know, because they can base it off your inventory,
So what you buy, What are you buying monthly? Oh, really,
you're only making that much, but you're buying this much.
So they have ways of figuring this stuff out. Extants
that was huge. They would avoid reporting the actual dollars
(56:54):
that came into the building. And now obviously you can't
do that with credit card and a lot of you
out there who get tips, it's way easier to track
your tips now when a credit card era than it
ever was when you just got cash handed to you.
Speaker 6 (57:06):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a very all right,
let's play this. We'll react to it a little bit
as we go forward. A lot of discussion about what's
the future of the Democrat Party. You've got spaan Berger
and and the governor in New Jersey who just won
Mickey Cheryl I think was her name, and they're arguing, hey,
we're moderates.
Speaker 5 (57:25):
We know that's a lie, but they're arguing that's the path.
Speaker 6 (57:28):
Mom Donnie is clearly on the far left of the
Democrat Party. And then there is an argument out there
and it is interesting that that the future of the
Democrat Party should actually be defined by Jasmine Crockett, who
Charlemanne the God. You sat with him at a recent
fundraising event. We know, we had dinner. We had dinner
(57:51):
in can with a group as part of our iHeart
festival there and it was it was a great He's
a great company, very very very good time. Okay, so
you probably agree with him as I do that. Yes,
the Democrats are underutilizing Jasmin Crockett. She really is a
phenomenal messenger for their worldview. They should use her more.
Speaker 11 (58:11):
Listen, Dadmin Crockett is actually what the Democrats should be
leaning into, like because she is a phenomenal messenger and
some people just got it, like some people just have
a different annoying on them. She's always on message about something.
I was watching her yesterday and she was like, Yo,
Donald Trump is racist and this whole administration is racist,
(58:34):
and it starts at the top and she just broke
down example after example, and it was so powerful and
so provocative, and you understood what the root of her
issue was and she got you by just saying Donald
Trump is racist and this administration is racist, and let
me tell you why, and then you get into all
of the issues. I'm like, Yo, you need somebody like
Davin Crockett. She is the most effective messenger that the
(58:57):
Democratic Party has right now, and they need to be
using her as a trojan horse.
Speaker 6 (59:03):
Using her as a trojan horse is an interesting analogy there,
because the trojan horse didn't actually work out that well.
Uh necessarily, Uh depends depends on what worked that look
that you're looking at it from. Yes, But but the
concept of Chasmin Crockett as a phenomenal messenger buck, I
(59:24):
think is one of the worst takes if I were
actually telling Democrats what to do.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
This is where you and I.
Speaker 10 (59:32):
She is.
Speaker 14 (59:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
I went from being a unknown congresswoman to being talked
about right here on one of the biggest, if not
the biggest radio programs in the country, Clay. She has
met hurt and it's purely a function of brand you know,
the branding and communication approach that she has. You know,
people were all making fun of AOC the bartender. She's
one of the biggest names in Democrat politics. Now, so
(59:56):
I we're we're in a We're in a new era.
Now you have to be look at mom, Donnie, you
have to be social media savvy. You have to understand
how to go viral and to people who say, oh,
but the crazy things, Yeah, but they just look look
what they did with Biden. They'll just lie about the
crazy things they've said or done. Or even Kamala Kama's like, yeah,
we need transsurgery for foreigners to coming to the country
(01:00:19):
illegally funded by taxpayers, and then when it was time,
she's like, yeah, no, we don't need to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
That's all they'll do.
Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
This is I don't disagree on this. It's great for her,
it's awful I think for the Democrat Party. But to
your point, Buck, you and I were talking about this
off air, there's almost no consequence for crazy anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
We aren't crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
Enough, Like our opinions are so rational and reasonable that
you actually are incentivized now to be totally bonkers in everything.
I want to run a psychology experiment where we just
do a podcast play.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We launch a new podcast where I just say therasiest
stuff possible that I know will get the most attention possible,
and then we give all the proceeds to charity, because.
Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think by the way, I think i'd be funding
wings for children's hospitals.
Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
I think we would be Cash is the raasiest thing
that we could argue tongue in cheek for the audience,
but it would go megaviral.
Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
And it's actually a great idea.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
But the only problem is, I don't know if it
would be as crazy as some of the things that
I'm hearing these days, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
There's some interesting stuff online these days, just putting that
out there. Some of us have to stay within the
facts in reality that we live in. But it would
be nice to be able to just get as crazy
as we want.
Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It'd be kind of a fun experiment.
Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
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where I worked with a big bag full of cash.
It doesn't seem very safe. Nobody ever really trained us
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