December 11, 2025 • 65 mins
Buck Flying Solo
The discussion opens with the economic outlook under President Donald Trump’s second term, emphasizing persistent affordability issues and inflationary pressures that remain despite strong stock market performance. Buck highlights the lingering impact of COVID-era shutdowns and stimulus spending, noting that prices for essentials like housing, healthcare, and education remain high. He cites recent trade deficit improvements as evidence of Trump’s “America First” trade policies and tariff strategy, while warning that Democrats will weaponize price discontent in upcoming elections. Insights from former SEC Chair Jay Clayton on the 22% price surge under Biden, framing affordability as the defining economic challenge. Buck stresses that Republicans must go beyond blaming Biden-era inflation and articulate clear solutions, including boosting supply and efficiency rather than resorting to destructive price controls—a policy he compares to Venezuela’s economic collapse.
The Unaffordable Care Act
Buck also addresses healthcare policy battles, revealing dueling Senate bills on Obamacare subsidies and criticizing Democrats’ push to extend Affordable Care Act provisions, which he argues have made healthcare far less affordable. He warns that rising premiums and taxpayer-funded coverage for illegal immigrants remain underreported but critical issues. Buck calls for unity on the right, rejecting intramural squabbles and urging focus on core priorities: fixing costs, securing the border, and countering media misinformation. He promotes his upcoming book Manufacturing Delusion, which explores propaganda and political manipulation, framing it as essential reading for understanding today’s ideological battles.
The Truth About Immigration
Buck Sexton leads a candid discussion on the breaking news that a federal judge has ordered the release of Ilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged MS-13 gang member previously detained by ICE. This controversial ruling sparks debate about the legal wrangling surrounding deportations, the Supreme Court’s involvement, and the Trump administration’s efforts to treat MS-13 as a foreign terrorist organization.
Buck frames the immigration crisis as a systemic failure spanning decades, criticizing both Democrats and establishment Republicans for enabling what he calls a “third-world invasion.” He cites expert commentary from Steven Miller, who argues that unchecked immigration impacts every major policy issue—from education and healthcare to crime and the federal deficit. Miller’s analysis underscores how subtracting illegal immigration from these metrics would dramatically improve outcomes, revealing the hidden costs of current policies.
We Have to Draw a Line
The conversation expands to Trump’s stance on merit-based immigration, including his blunt remarks about prioritizing immigrants from high-functioning countries like Norway and Denmark over those from unstable regions plagued by crime and terrorism. Buck explores the cultural implications of mass migration, questioning whether America can maintain its identity amid tens of millions of illegal immigrants—estimated at 20 to 30 million today. He warns that Democrats’ push for amnesty and open borders could permanently alter the nation’s political and social fabric.
Listeners hear Buck dismantle common pro-immigration narratives, challenging the notion that assimilation is automatic. He points to examples in Europe, where large migrant populations have resisted integration, fueling crime and cultural clashes. Buck emphasizes that shared language, law, and culture are essential for national unity, advocating for stronger enforcement and a slowdown in immigration to preserve American values.
The hour also touches on DHS Secretary Noem’s testimony on Capitol Hill, where she defends Trump’s immigration policies against Democratic attacks. Buck critiques media coverage, particularly CNN’s framing of the issue, and calls for honesty about historical immigration patterns and their consequences. He argues that America’s foreign-born population has reached unsustainable levels, making assimilation and economic stability increasingly difficult.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Thursday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show.
It kicks off right now. Mister Clay is in transit,
so he is in the sky. I will be your
solo pilot for the next three hours. My co pilot
is on another plane. But we've got a lot to
talk about. He'll be back tomorrow. We'll actually be together
(00:22):
here in South Florida doing the show. And in the meantime,
I want to bring you up to speed on all
of the things that are happening out there right now,
so many of them, so many things, so many things happening.
You had DHS Secretary Nome up on Capitol Hill, you
have business leaders talking to Trump about the state of
(00:46):
the economy and this affordability question. Some people are concerned,
and I mean people on our side, capitalists, reasonable intelligent people,
concerned about how things are looking going into the end
of the year here and what it will mean for
the mid terms. Now, for those who are saying the
concern should be fix the economy, not the political consequences
(01:10):
of problems in the economy, well let me tell you something.
It's getting a lot worse. If Democrats can throw sand
in the gears of the Trump administration. If they can
play spoiler just by having a majority in the House,
we will get to impeachment number three.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It will be a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Circus, the whole thing. So it is important that we
get into a good place here and also that the
Trump administration continues to tell everybody what the plans are
more on immigration and ice enforcement as well. We've got
some important sound to share with you, some some clips
(01:49):
to share with you on that. I'm going to start
off actually with a little bit of talk on the economy.
There's there's news today that we will dive into shortly
about a Fed judge now saying that Kilmar Abrego Garcia,
the alleged MS thirteen gang member who for over a
year now has been at the center of all these
(02:10):
administration efforts to deport this guy, and it's turned into
a huge political football. This has turned into a Supreme
Court weighing in. God got sound to al Salvador. We're
gonna send him a bunch of other countries, but then
we can. And now you've got a federal judge saying
you gotta let him out right now, So we will see.
(02:31):
And that's going on while DHS Secretary Nome is up
on Capitol Hill, so that's certainly in our sites and
an important story. Let's though, just for a bit here,
talk about where we stand on the economy. People are concerned,
(02:53):
and I hear that concern from many of you that
prices are quite high. And I understand the challenge here
is it's really hard to bring down prices once they've
gone up considerably, and this is a legacy of the
madness of COVID. I think everyone should keep that in mind.
(03:14):
That many of us, well not many, some of us.
There were even some conservatives who were pretty bad on
the COVID stuff, especially on lockdowns and all the rest
of it. We're saying, you can't just tell people stay home,
don't do anything in print money, and then you can't
just spend as much money as you want to juice
the economy after that shutdown. Unfortunately, that is largely what happened,
(03:38):
and we are still dealing with the reality of that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I will give you some of these details, or we
will discuss some of these details. But first up here CNBC,
this is cut eleven Rick Santelli. He's talking some numbers,
talking trade deficit. Let's hear from the man over at
CNBC play it.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Trade balance fifty two point eight billion. That's a better
lower trade deficit than we expected. We were looking for
a number closer to sixty two billion, and that follows
the revised minus fifty nine billion. Minus fifty two billion
would be the lightest going back to Wow, we're really
(04:18):
going back. Well, my records go back to nineteen ninety two,
and to find a smaller number than minus fifty two billion,
we're all the way back to June of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So this is important because Trump is establishing a rebalancing
of our global trade, America's global trade with the tariffs.
And as I've said all along, you don't have to
be an expert in tariffs to understand that something is
up when all of these other countries have tariffs on us,
we don't have tariffs on really anyone. And we're the
(04:57):
ones who can't figure this out, or you know, we're
we're the odd man out. But it's because we're so
much smarter than every other country, or is it because
we've been convinced by the globalist elite in our own
country that entirely free trade that does not take in
America first perspective, that allows all the offshoring and all
the stuff that we have seen decimate the American for example,
(05:21):
American manufacturing sector, auto industry, all these things that that
is somehow to our benefit. Well it's really to the
perhaps the stock price benefit of a handful of companies.
But people are changing their tune on this. They're seeing
what's really going on. But the problem is prices. The
problem is that stuff is still expensive and people are
upset about it. In fact, even here in my home. Well,
(05:45):
I live in Miami Beaches, you know, and that's next
door to Miami. I didn't even know this until I've
moved down here. Technically different cities, they're not part of
one city. And so Miami proper just elected Downtown Miami
elected a Democrat for the first time thirty years. And
it was a combination of two things that we're going
to have to really get right for the next year
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for the purposes of the midterm election, but also just
because they will be central I think to the success
or failure of the Trump agenda in his second term.
The cost of stuff, particularly housing young people came out.
Miami has become incredibly expensive as a city. It used
to be a great deal. I mean, if you were
smart enough to come here in two thousand and nine
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ten and start buying up some condos, you've done phenomenally well.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now not so much.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But the price of things, especially housing in Miami is
very high, so that factors in. We saw this also
in New York City when you have Mom. Donnieism largely
built around the promise of bringing housing prices down. He's
going to bring the cost of rent down. Now, if
you know anything about economics, you know that his solutions
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to these problems will actually make things worse. But they
sound good, and you can get a lot of power
by saying things that sound good, no matter how bad
the results are actually going to be. One of the
issues we're going to have is that going into a
midterm year, right, It's we're at the end of year
(07:19):
one of Trump's second term. Yeah, a lot of us
can point to the status of the Biden economy and
what was going on, but that is not going to
be compelling enough to win in key in challenging races.
Former SEC chair Jay Clayton had this to say about
(07:41):
the economy. I thought you should hear this. This is
cut twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The affordability issue is.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But from the twenty two percent increase in prices in
inflation under.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Biden, there's this full stop right there.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That's the affordability issue, and you got to be able.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To explain that, right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And look, I think that with the economic team President
Trump and the economic team led by Scott Dessa, you
have people who very much understand us. And it was
a they were thrown You know what, I would say,
the worst economy for the average American in my adult
lifetime in terms of the like you said, the incredible
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increase in prices at the household.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
This is true, and the case has to be made,
but it is not sufficient on its own.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
All of you who.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Call in, write in and say, hey guys, hey Clay,
hey Buck, this stuff is just too expensive where I am,
particularly healthcare, housing, education, these things are just the price
out of control in some aspects depends on the product,
but groceries, gas prices are down, but many of you
(08:53):
and the truckers out there, we love our truckers, are
saying diesel prices are still considerably higher than we would
want to see them for a robust economy. Spending at
Christmas time I've seen some of the data on this one.
Spending at Christmas time seems to be quite a bit down.
(09:15):
People are not shelling out the kind of cash that
they did even compared to last year. Now, I think
there was tremendous bullions about the economy because of Trump's victory.
So that explains in part why last year people were
spending because they thought, oh, we're going to have a
good economy, and they were right.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But now it's too full. The challenge ahead on prices.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Affordability a word I'm as I've said along, you have
to prepare yourself to hear about this more than any
of us are going to want to. But the power
balance in DC and therefore the future of the country
for the next few years is going to be largely determined.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think based upon that the two big.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Issues it's going to be the affordability and immigration election
mid terms. That's what's gonna that's what's gonna move the needle.
And this is Republicans are seeing this early enough. Thankfully,
I'm not having this talk with all of you in
August of the election year or September of the election year. Hey, Republicans,
it's time to make the case. I think they're actually
(10:20):
seeing this in advance. And they have Scott Besson, who
is both very good at the job of Treasury Secretary
and a very good spokesman for what this administration, the Treasury,
the economy, the Fed, all of this is doing. He's
a very good mind, a very good mouthpiece on these issues.
(10:42):
But this is what Democrats are gonna hammer. They're gonna
hammer the discontent of the prices. Isn't this the most
classic move that the Democrats could possibly come up with.
They made it so prices get all jacked up. We
told them don't We said, don't do it. This is
going back to twenty twenty one, said don't do it, guys,
it's crazy. Don't spend the trillions. We've already put a
(11:05):
lot of pressure, a lot of heat into the economy
with all the shutdown spending. And that was under Trump,
but that was both sides were saying, Oh, the world's
gonna end, you know, the whole thing. Trump left it
to the states whether to stay open or not, and
with the exception of Florida, states generally did not stay open.
South Dakota state open. But there's not very many people
in South Dakota, So that was easier. Most states shut down,
(11:28):
as you know, and so we had to do something.
There was that whole emergency. But now telling people that
the worst inflation in forty years started four years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Is not really a.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Winning strategy, right or in five years ago, whatever, it's
that's not enough. I think that, unfortunately, is going to
be insufficient as part of the narrative which brings me
to you the solutions and the things that Trump and
his team are trying to do. Look at what has
happened on Trey alone. That's why I started with that.
Look at where he is on tariffs. They said, the
(12:06):
so called intelligency and Trump's going to crash the economy
based on the tariffs. He's gonna mess everything up. No,
in fact, the economy, this stock market has been booming,
but prices have remained high. The only way to bring
prices down is well, if you want to get really
technical about it, technical about it, you got to see
a you can have a cessation of demand, or you
(12:28):
could have an increase in supply. But the best thing
that we could see is an increase in efficiency of
manufacturing of goods and services. And you know, and spending
and investment, and that's what will bring prices down. Mandates
the Mamdani approach price controls. Price controls not only have
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made New York City and the whole state of California
but because of government regulation, but price controls in New
York City have made real estate far more Anywhere where
they try this, it makes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Real estate more expensive.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And overall, price controls in the economy is part of
what has destroyed a large part of what destroyed the
Venezuelan economy. I mean, there's many things, but price controls
is at the heart of it. Oh, we're just gonna
seize assets and then we can't make this stuff. We're
gonna seize the factories, right, this is the Maduro approach.
We'll seize the factories and we'll make the stuff, but
we can't make much money off of it, and we're
(13:24):
not very good at making it, so we'll just say
it has to cost this. Well, that doesn't work that
way because you can't make them at that price. I
guess what happened. Shortages and then the black market comes
in with the real price. And all of this is
very well established, but the Trump team has to get
very dialed in on here is yes, talk about what
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the Biden inflation was, and that's why I played that
se former SEC chair talk about what the Biden inflation was,
but also how it is coming down, how it is
being addressed, and how it is going to get better
over the next year because of what Trump is doing.
Republicans gotta focus in on this because it is not
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an overstatement to say if we have a week year
of not just policy, but a week year of messaging,
and I'm gonna say, Republicans, where's the big legislation, guys,
the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, it's a spending bill.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Where's the legislation, where's the you know, the the new
approach to healthcare. Got to get together on this one
and make some things happen. If you lose the House
and you're Donald Trump, then it just turns into, all right,
we gotta wait for the next election. We gotta wait
for the you know, the heir apparent or the Republican
Party to take over for MAGA, because the Democrats will
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just till they will what's the phrase cut off their
nose to spite their face. I mean, they will just
make everything stink and then blame it all on Trump
and you know that so economy, economy, economy, very very important.
And we will talk about immigration here shortly in the
Abrego Garcia order that.
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Speaker 2 (16:45):
Almost in the middle of December. I can't believe it.
Christmas is gonna be here before you know. You know,
my wife's birthday is Christmas, so I can do the
two for one on the presence. I'm just saying I
got that going for me, which is nice. And then
my birthday is a few days later on December the
twenty eighth, so I will not be on air that day,
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very excited for the Christmas season. I've got my in
laws here actually right now, I'll be seeing more and
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more family, and sure many of you will too, and
that's fantastic. So on the one hand, I am in
a really good mood, and I think that it has
been a great year. I've had a great year. I've
loved doing this show. And we'll talk more about this
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:51):
I feel blessed that I get to do this show
every day. I love my job.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
There is no other job that I would rather have
than this job, which is an incredible thing to be
able to say. And I say that as somebody who
was asked at one point to maybe have a cabinet
level position in the government.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I still would rather do this job, you know, full stop.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I love what we get to do here, but there's
a responsibility with that as well, of course, not just
to do the best show possible, but to try to
help help save the country.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
In what little way we can.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
There's so many competing voices out there, and that then
brings me to the h I keep calling it the
food fight. You know, there's all this stuff that's happening
right now, and I'm not even sure how many of
you are aware of it. You know, you haven't brought
it up very much. And I always tell you this.
Your calls, your emails, even the ones that don't make
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it on the air, the team reads them, Clay and
I read them. So we have an ongoing conversation every day,
all the VIP emails, all the talkbacks, and even if
you don't get on the air, but you call in
and you talk to usually it's producer Greg to come
on live on the show. He tells us what you
were going to say. So we know where you are
as much as we can, and we're always trying to
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to be up on your thoughts on how the country
is going, and we haven't seen very much of Hey,
where are you on the food fight. And you know,
I really appreciate that, and I like it because there
is a decency and a maturity in this audience that
is I think second to none in the entire world
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of media, but also in it's certainly in conservative media.
I think that you are people who come at this,
this saving of the country, caring about the country with
so much good faith and enough wisdom to know that
you don't want your time wasted on petty nonsense, petty nonsense.
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So and Clay I talk about this, you know, because
we see what's going on out there and we choose
not to get into the mud slugging and everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And some of these are people that are involved that
we like. Some of them.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't even really know some of them. I don't
want to know. It doesn't really matter. I'm telling you
about all this one just so you know that we're
we're for any of you who are asking why haven't
you gotten into We're trying to save the country here.
And I don't say that to be grandiose or you know,
we're trying to get as many people as informed, as
(20:21):
fired up, as engaged, and get more people. We want
more young people. We want digital audience too, We want
YouTube subscribers, We want you know, as well as our
fantastic five hundred and sixty something stations. Who's counting we are,
But we want to focus on what really matters here.
And I just want to say, I think it is
(20:41):
to your tremendous credit that you want to as well,
because we're not getting a lot of we don't get
a lot of chirping at us about well what about
this crazy thing that this lunatic said. You know, yeah,
we make fun of the left and the Democrats to
say things, but we don't. I don't get into squabbles
with people on the right. If you're on my team
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for ninety percent or ninety five percent of stuff, you're
on my team as it pertains to policy, as it
pertains to saving the country. And I just think that
you give us the latitude in the lee way to
continue to focus on what matters, which brings me to
we are in a real fight here for the stuff
that is affecting you every day, and I think we're losing.
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Am I saying we the Republicans are losing a little
bit of ground on this right now? How many even
new about this that there are competing Obamacare plans being
voted on right now in the Senate. In fact, I
think the Republican one, just right, producer rally just got
voted on and failed. Now of course that of course
it failed, that's not the surprise. But they need to
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be talking about what's involved here. And now we've got
these these different plans. This is the stuff that really
affects your day to day life. Talk to me about prices.
Everyone needs to understand Obama Care, which was passed with
a Senate supermajority. Right, Remember the disaster of the McCain
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two thousand and eight campaign and a huge recession, and
you know, the Great Recession, all this stuff, they had
wide open, wide open pathway to slam through whatever they
wanted essentially, and this is what they did. They pushed
this reorganization of healthcare that has really put us on
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a glide path to single payer. And it's ali, I
shouldn't say glide path. It's more like a train that
has gone off the tracks and is eventually going to
like implode, right, But they know that that's what has happened.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
There's nothing gliding about this.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's not nice because the failures that occur along the way.
Your family's healthcare premiums, the cost that you are paying
every time you go the doctor, every time you're gonna
have an elective surgery or an emergency surgery, whatever it
may be. All of that is worse now than it
was before they passed to Obamacare, and you, with your
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tax dollars, but also more specifically specifically with your healthcare
premiums that you pay, are going to subsidize a llegal
aliens who aren't even supposed to be the country in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That's happening.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
They can pretend it's not happening, but absolutely is happening,
because the whole premise of this is that people are
going people with more. You know, this is from each
according to his ability, to each according to his needs,
played out via healthcare, and it's a disaster for all
of us because it's not increasing. I said, how do
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you deal with costs? How do you make stuff cheaper,
make more of it, make it more efficiently, put more
out there, do it better or you have shortages, Especially
with something like healthcare. What they've really done actually is
incentivize people who have care to use more of it,
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irrespective of the outcomes. The insurance companies get rich on
this because they have guaranteed customer bases now who have
no choice and no say. The whole thing is an
absolute mess. And how many people right now even know
about the dueling Senate bills? And the Schumer bill is
going to just extend the affordable care subsidies. First of all,
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isn't it funny? Notice a trend here. Democrats call it
the Affordable Care Act, and it has without question, there
is no counter argument here rooted in numbers, in reality, Okay,
it has made healthcare far less affordable. Premiums are up
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one hundred, one hundred and fifty percent. You want to
talk about prices, that's something you're gonna be paying every month.
That affects by the way, the bottom line, if you
own a business or you work for a business, that
is affecting everything because you're expected to, you know, you
gotta have this stuff or you're gonna go bear and
then you're just gonna deal with the realities of the
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healthcare system as somebody who's not an illegal alien but
doesn't have insurance but could have insurance. And the whole
thing is a mess. So what the Democrats want to
do is extend the subsidies. Yeah, it is the Unaffordable
Care Act. And that's the truth. Just like the Inflation
Reduction Act. Remember under Biden they passed the Inflation Reduction Act.
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Didn't reduce inflation at all. If anything, it increased inflation.
And the whole bill really wasn't about inflation anyway, they lie.
It is straight out of news speak from Orwell, it
is straight out of the propaganda playbook. By the way,
great time to check. One portion of Manufacturing Delusion that
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really the book is in is in thirds. It's brainwashing,
it's indoctrination, it's propaganda, and it's stories and hit stories
from my life and history about these things. So the
back third of the book is about propaganda. Go buy
this book Manufacturing Delusion. I really mean this. It is
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worth all of you reading. And you know, I would
not say that. People say, Buck, you've been doing this
fifteen years, why haven't you written a book before? Because
I wanted to write a book that I cared about.
I was going to write it, I had the time
to write it, and I had the ability to make
the book matter because of this platform, because of this
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radio show, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, which
I share with my main man who's up in the
sky right now on a plane. He's okay, But Clay,
that gives me the ability to have the critical mass
where it's It was worth the time because I didn't
want to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like how I am defeating the Libs. Buck's way to
defeat the.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Libs and you know, and pay someone else to write
some book that I'm gonna v hawk And I'm sorry,
you know, I don't call out names. People do their
own thing, but they're just saturating those saturating the conservative
book market with forgettable you know, slop written by somebody else.
That's what's been going on in recent years. Just the truth,
(27:26):
you know it. I researched, I wrote. I put this
book together because I think it matters. I think that
the manipulation of minds to political ends, the creation of
mass delusion, the playbook to do it, is the scariest.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Thing we face.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes, COVID, of course is a type or the you know,
the pinnacle example that comes to mind for many, but
there are so many examples of this that play out.
There are so many aspects of this in our politics today.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
People believe in all kinds of insane stuff, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We are increasingly in a world where, you know, if
you're not saying the most inflammatory conspiratorial people think that
you're like a sellout. Well, what I always want to
say to people is how often are we wrong on
this show? How often have I had to come to
you or Clay and say, Look, we make predictions, and
we like to joke around about that although a lot
(28:21):
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but but I'm talking about telling you something that is
fact or that we know to be true. Then we
go actually, or we're really we missed that one in
a big way.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
We tell you.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We we speak to you on this show in the
same way and with the same respect that I speak
to my closest friends and my family members about these issues. Again,
that is our currency with you, that authenticity, that integrity
that we bring to the show. I do it and
Clay does it. And this is why, honestly, why we
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because we are completely united in that mission. And yes,
it's the continuation, it's the the honoring of Russia's legacy
because Rush did that before. But That's what all this
is supposed to be about. It's not supposed to be
people who are just you know, sniping at this person
or that person with little things on Twitter and getting
(29:19):
all nasty with each other. And you're you're a fake,
you're a fed, you're you know. No, guys, the communists
want to ruin the country. Do you understand they still
want to do this? And I know that we've had
a year where it feels like we're winning, but that
can change in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It can change in the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Blink of an eye, and then all of a sudden,
you want to talk about having a rough go of things,
A fractured right with an ascendant lunatic AOC mom Donnie
left is a very scary country for us. So again,
how do we get there? How can people believe this?
The book Manufacturing Delusion? Manufacturing Illusion is the book? Please
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just go get it now and then February it'll arrive
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I'm gonna be recording that in a couple of weeks
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I really want all of you to get the book,
and I truly mean that. I don't know if I'm
ever going to write a book beyond this.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't know. This one took me two years and
it's not long. You can read the whole thing. It
is not a long book either.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think it matters and I want you to read
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like I said, this is the show. The things that
we do are supposed to have purpose, and it's beyond ego,
and it's beyond self congratulation and a lot of the
stuff that I see going on with the right these days.
(30:49):
We got to fix healthcare, we got to fix costs,
we got to fix inflation. We have to not just
secure the border. We got to ramp up these deportations
way more than what we've already seen. I know are
working on that, but we have to stay focused. Now
is not the time to get into intramural squabbles and
lose sight of what really matters. And to that end,
(31:10):
I will come back and discuss the Abrago, Garcia and
just the overall immigration enforcement picture. Because, like I've said, economy,
it's going to be number one the next twelve months.
I'm telling you this economy and how we talk about
it and what happens is critical. But also, yeah, the
border secure. What do we do about all the people
who are here illegally and what that has done to
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Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay Second Hour, Clay and Buck. Let's look at immigration,
shall we. Let's jump into the biggest immigration story today.
A federal judge has ordered ordered President Trump well the
Department of Justice to release kill mar Abrigo Garcia from
(33:32):
ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement from ICE custody.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is Judge Paula Zennis x I.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
NI S I guess yeah, so he is supposed to
be released immediately.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Team monitor this one for me. Let me know if
in fact.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
He does get released immediate. I have a feeling the
administration it's gonna say. I'm not sure that's how this
is going to go. We'll see, but this has been
quite a story and the Democrats are going to continue
to push very hard on this. Let's just take a
little trip down memory lane, shall we. This guy Abrego Garcia,
(34:17):
he is the alleged MS thirteen gang member who had
an order of deportation against him at some point, wasn't deported,
fighting his deportation, all this stuff, and on March fifteenth
of this year, he was sent from the US to
El Salvador, where he was detained in the Sea Cott,
(34:42):
the Center for Terrorism Confinement. And the Supreme Court weighed
in on this one, and I believe it was nine
to oh and they said, look, you guys, you can't
just remove this guy El Salvador and this removal to
(35:03):
l Salvador was illegal, so the US then brought him
back in.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The Trump administration brought him back in.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
They there's now all this legal wrangling about is he
a member of MS thirteen?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Is he not?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Abrego Garcia says he is not a member of MS thirteen.
Now that matters because that gang has been designated a
foreign terrorist organization. So from a legal perspective, the Trump
administration seeks to treat or now does treat it in
some ways MS thirteen like al Qaeda, and this guy
(35:39):
is now supposed to be released. There was one point
at which at which the Trump administration was trying to
remove him to Liberia, Uganda, Ghana or s what Tinny,
I gotta tell you. We're getting really deep into geography
knowledge here with that one. That's one of these really
(36:00):
tiny countries in Africa. There's some very very small countries
in Africa that are not well known. And yeah, he
was not removed to those countries. But that was what
was what was happening. Here's what's that issue with all
of this. There has been there's gonna be the continued
legal fighting over this, and is there a detainee order
to our whole immigration system has been turned into a
(36:23):
massive scam and a Third World invasion of this country
as a result of the misleading of the American people,
the taking advantage of the American people and has been
largely bipartisan. Democrats have been complete liars and frauds on this,
top to bottom. One hundred percent of Democrats are terrible
(36:44):
on immigration and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Half of Republicans.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
I would say in the twenty first century, roughly half
of Republicans are pretty terrible on immigration. I think that
would be fair me. You know, in recent years the
number has changed a lot because.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Of Trump, but if you were to take this all
the way back to say the year two thousand, you
take this back to the Bush era, Republicans have been
bad too. So this has been a huge, huge issue
and a little bit like where we are with the debt.
And I'm not somebody who traffics in despair on this program.
(37:22):
Quite the opposite, Right, we talk about the problems, we
also talk about the solutions. We look at what's gone wrong,
we never forget what's going right. But the immigration situation
is a bit like our four are soon to be
forty trillion dollars of debt It is massive. It is
affecting everything, and I don't know if we're going to
(37:43):
be able to fix it. This is just the truth.
We're going to try. I certainly am advocating for it.
But you hear people like Stephen Miller, who knows this
issue and is of sound mind on this issue at
the absolute peak. I mean, he's like at the top
of his game on immigration. This has cut sixteen. He's
(38:07):
pointing out that this issue of immigration, and more specifically
legal immigration, it is messing up everything in this country.
You cannot bring tens of millions. We don't know the number.
I would guess. See whatever I say, you're gonna say, buck,
how could you? It's more, it's less most of you
would say. I think there are twenty to thirty million
(38:32):
illegals in the country right now. Twenty to thirty million,
and I don't think that's even I think that's like
definitely twenty twenty five, and maybe it's thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's a lot. It's a lot. Tens of millions for sure.
The number they were telling us it's eleven million. Please.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They let ten million in under Biden and they're planning
to never leave. So we know we're in the twenties.
I think we're in the thirties. Some of you are
gonna say, buck, we're in the forties, mate, But it's
definitely twenty thirty millions that we're talking about here. And
this is Stephen Miller on what a big issue it
is Play sixteen.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
We mask the impact of immigration every public policy issue
we discuss. We talk about test scores. If you subtract
immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden, our
test scores skyrocket. If you subtract immigration out of healthcare,
all of a sudden, we don't have near the size
of the healthcare challenges our country faces. If you subtract
(39:28):
immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden, we
don't have by the crime in so many of our cities,
issue after issue, we talk about these things that just
they just happen to us. The schools just suddenly fail,
by the crime just suddenly explodes, the deficit just suddenly skyrockets.
These are a result of social policy choices that we
made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's all true. It's all true now.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
The way that this issue has been and this is
why the Obrago Garcia thing is interfascinating Democrats aclu these types.
Oh my gosh, anything to keep a break Goo Garcia.
And this guy's in illegal, it's been accused of crimes.
He's in illegal.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
He should go.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Whatever it is they wanted, whatever it is they have
to do, they will do the left the Democrats will
do to keep illegals in this country. They want to
keep them all. If they could keep them all, they
would keep them all. Occasionally and they'll say, what about
Obama and all this. Yeah, in order to fool just
enough people to stay in power, Democrats will occasionally go
(40:34):
through a period of oh, you know, you're right, this
is a problem. Oh, maybe we should And what Obama
did was change the definition of a deportation such that
people who were caught and turned away immediately the border
they counted as a deportation. So they were juicing the
numbers there. But they were also doing that so they
(40:55):
could create the political momentum with the Gang of eight BILLU,
with the Gang of the Senate Gang of eight. They
were trying to create the political momentum for a mass amnesty,
which is and by the way, that's game over. Do
you know that the Reagan amnesty the worst thing that
Reagan did when he was president. Was the amnesty they
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did under Eisenhower. The deportation operation there ran I think
it was over a million. It was like one point
two one point three million in one year deported and
that was in nineteen fifty something. So we've been here
before and the country at some points has said, you
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know what, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
You gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Also, note people act like it's so oh, you've been
in America for a year or three years or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It may be.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
The notion of going back to the country you lived
in your whole life until you snuck into this country.
It's so horrible, it's so unthinkable. What does that mean? Well, actually,
it's interesting that Trump is just saying stuff out loud
that you're you're not supposed to say, you're not allowed
to say, but we say it now. There are countries
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that people want to live it in countries that are crappy,
this is true. There are cultures that produce countries where
people live in security, prosperity, able to achieve some degree
of of you know of of relative happiness. And and
where are countries where that's just not not going on
at all, where people.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Live a far more Hobbesian. You know, life is British,
nasty and short Hobbesian existence, and Somalia is a very
very high on that list of of what Hobbes would say.
That's a rough place.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Here is Trump saying, you know, we should be bringing
in more people from countries that produce extremely law abiding,
extremely high productivity, aligned with our values, immigrants, that's what
(43:07):
we should be doing.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
This is cut fifteen. This is what Trump says.
Speaker 9 (43:09):
We had a meeting, and I say, why is it
we only take people from whole countries?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Right?
Speaker 9 (43:17):
Why can't we have some people from Norway?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Sweet? Just a few?
Speaker 9 (43:21):
Let us have a few from Denmark.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Do you mind sending us with.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
Your people, send us some nice people, do you mind?
But we always take people from Semia, places that are
a disaster, right, filthy, dirty, discussing, ridden with crime. The
only thing they're good at is going after ships.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
You can tell Trump not a fan of Somalia. It's
definitely seeing black Hawk down a few times. Not a
fan of Somolia, and a lot of Somalis aren't either.
You know, we talk about the Somali population here in Minneapolis.
There's a tremendous amount of displacement of Somalis into Kenya,
which is right next door, which is still a country
with a lot of tremendous amount of crime, unfortunately a
lot of problems, but.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The functional country.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Notice though, that it's you're not supposed to say we
want people from happy, good countries. And you say, well,
hold on, I thought our immigration system we have been
told all this time that we're.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
Taking the next founder of Google, and we're this is,
you know, immigration doing the jobs Americans won't do, and
we're a nation of immigrants, and you hear all this propaganda,
all this stuff all the time.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's supposed the system is supposed to benefit the people.
Here is the system is our immigration system in the
twenty first century, benefiting those who are already here on
a aggregate you know, net net on an aggregate basis,
or have we turned into a immigration from third wor
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world countries welfare ward that we constantly are lied to.
And because most of the very poor countries in the
world this starts to get into other conversations about immigration
and about the nation state. Most of the very poor
countries in the world are non white countries. And so
(45:22):
when you start to look at countries that you don't
necessarily want to take a lot of immigrants from because
they're going to have Again, this is just objective stuff.
It's not about not liking the way someone looks. It's
not about judging someone because of their skin color. It's
we're making policies to benefit Americans. If you're taking people
from countries with high levels of crime and or terrorism,
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low level of education, do not speak English and have
no cultural tie or affinity to America other than we're
really rich here, and they get to be safe and
get free stuff. And then, of course, as soon as possible,
start voting in the directions that will undermine all of that, right,
(46:05):
start voting for socialism, start voting for Islamism, start voting
for whatever. We are told that that's not what's happening,
but that has been happening, and people are allowed to
notice that and be upset about it, and the American
people are allowed to say this baden switch cannot happen anymore.
Where you say it is to our benefit, but really
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it is part of some global dei crusade of we
need to have the most.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Non white immigration possible.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And look, there are lots. There are plenty of countries
that are non white countries that.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Are wonderful places. People are doing great.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
You know, I hope ever always is attacking Japan, for example,
for its lack of replacement. They've got to have more kids,
that's true. But it's an amazing Taiwan, which I just
came back from. It's an amazing country, phenomenal in so
many ways, wonderful people, incredibly smart, incredibly civilized. And you know,
(47:07):
there are many, many others. There are a lot, a
lot of great countries all around the world. Our immigration
system is absolutely not set up to prioritize those people.
We say, the reality of immigration is kind of the
way if you had, like, you know, a Gavin Newsome
voting California, you know, wine swilling lib you know, with
(47:33):
the Chardonnay glass, and oh, let's take as many people
from war torn filling the blank as possible. Cause that'll
make me feel I'm gonna live in Beverly Hills, but
it'll make me feel good about myself to say that
we're going to take as many people from what do
they call it in Team America dirka Drkistan, right to
take as many people from whatever country is some gee,
(47:56):
hottest hell, whole of the moment or whatever, going through
some famine or civil war. We're supposed to have a
very small percentage of asylum seekers.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Look what happened. These millions and millions of people came in.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They all say they're here for asylum. They're not here
for asylum, They're here for the spoil system. Can we
get enough of them to actually go back to their
home countries that America can be saved? This is the question.
This is where we are, and this is certainly where
the Trump administration is on this. But I'm is it
too late? We'll see what do you think happens? If
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a Democrat wins the next election, they're gonna open the
flood gates again.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Of course, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
If Trump can't get this done with the House in
the Senate, who's gonna reverse the flood. We need to
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All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
We are talking immigration and how this is such a
critical issue. Go with immigration, so go with the nation.
I think Ken Trump and his team fix it. You
had DHS Secretary of Nome on the Hill today, getting
a whole lot of back and forth with Democrats who
(50:15):
are trying to get their soundbites, and she is trying
to make the case, make the case that well, for one,
Democrats are very dishonest on this issue. Of course that's true,
and that the Trump administration is acting within the law,
and that there's going to be a lot more of
what we have already seen. I certainly hope that's the case.
(50:38):
In the meantime, over on that CNN show, I think
it's CNN tonight, right, is that the one or they
changed them all the time, It doesn't really, it's that
the one with Abby Phillip whatever they call it.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
She was talking about this.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
She was talking about the immigration issues that you and
I are discussing here. And I just want to point
out whenever you start to hear a liberal talk about
this country and they're the worst on guns, this is
just kind of funny for those of you, which is
pretty much not all of you, but a vast, vast
(51:17):
majority of you who are gun people. Democrats will speak
about guns and it's like their first day of learning
Mandarin Chinese, like they just know nothing and they don't care.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
They know nothing.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
They'll talk about chainsaw, bayonets and machine gun, flamethrower, you know,
laser pods, and they.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Just have no idea. They just know they want to
ban them, they want to take them from you. Everything goes.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
When they talk about the history of immigration, they also
have no idea. They don't know what they're talking about,
and they leave out very key things, things that we
need to know today and we need to have people
familiar with in order to have reasonable immigration policy going forward.
(52:02):
And I think we've reached a point in America where
the foreign born population is too high, meaning that we
need to slow things down. It's not a knock on
anybody who's an immigrant legally, not a knock on anybody's
background who's an immigrant, or anyone's religion or skin color
who's an immigrant.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
It's just okay.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
The history of America and its immigration policies has been
we take in a bunch of people, and then we say, okay,
we need to let everyone do the America thing for
a while here, and then all right, we taking in
a bunch of people, and then we say, hold on
a second, it's time to let everybody get to know
each other. Americanize the new arrivals, and this is now
(52:44):
something you can talk about. You couldn't even say this
stuff really ten fifteen years ago without.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh my gosh, how could you. Well, look, what's happening
in Europe.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
You have large constituencies, including of asylum seekers or refugees
in Europe in countries who make it very explicit they
hate the country.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That I mean when I say hate it. They love
the welfare, they love that.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
They're now safe and fed and warm and housed and
all of that courtesy of the host country. But they
despise the beliefs and the people and the culture and
everything else. You have this in the UK, you have
this in Sweden, you have this in the Netherlands. You
have this in Belgium. You have this in France, you
have this in Spain. You know, you have Germany. You
have this in these countries now, large populations of new
(53:28):
arrivals who are not saying, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
be there for you, We're gonna do the best stuff
we had, and we're so grateful, We're so grateful.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Do you get the sense.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
That the illegals that have come into America, who go
to these protests for example, and create all this this
spectacle in places like Los Angeles. Remember we saw that
Trump called it the National Guard. Did they ever speak
of the gratitude they have for this country. No, they
think they'd They think that it's owed to them. I
(54:03):
came here and I'm just as American as you.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
But you're not.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
You're not lawfully in this country. You violated the Compact.
The law of the United States is something that binds
all Americans, and you, the illegal, have violated that. You
are not as American as everybody else. Sorry, but you
go on place like CNN and they will say things
(54:29):
that are just counterfactual about the history of immigration and
how these processes have all worked. And I've even gotten
to the point now where I like to say to people,
you know, pick a country, Pick a country like Sweden.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
It's a good example for a bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
I think Sweden has ten million people, you know, ten
million people, and they've led in something like a million
migrants in the last decade or two from the Middle
East for Muslim countries, and they've got some problems, some
challenges by the The data on particularly violent crimes of
(55:10):
sexual sexual crimes show that the new arrivals. Unfortunately, in
these countries from the Muslim world are wildly disproportionately represented
in the ranks of the offenders, just a fact, so
much so that countries like Sweden try to hide it
as a matter of state policy. We have that too,
(55:32):
I might add, in this country you have a lot
of in the stats about who's committing crimes. You'll have
illegals who look like they're in MS thirteen, but they'll
be counted in prison data as white. So wait, so
now we're dealing with the white Hispanic thing again. Remember
that with George Zimmerman, which they only could pull off,
(55:52):
they thought the media on the Trayvon Martin situation because
his last name was Zimmerman. If his name was you know,
with George Dominguez, might have been a little harder to
say he's a white guy. But that's that's what they
tried for a while. The white Hispanic I'd never I had,
truly never. I'm trying to think in the media have
I had I ever heard that term. I don't think
I'd ever heard that term in a media report, at
(56:13):
least before the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin trial, which Obama
weigh in on if you recall and said, if he
had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon. Because
Obama was really interested in harmony and racial healing in
this country. Sure, how did that all go for us? Regardless?
(56:34):
I am now on a mission to try to do
all I can to educate people who were willing to
listen about what really happened at various times in this
country's history when it comes to immigration. Oh sorry, Sweden,
I have to finish my Sweden Sweden model.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm weaving.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I'm weaving, as Trump says, right, he says, I'm weaving,
weaving a story, weaving a tale.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Okay, Swedeness ten million people.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Would it still be Sweden if they brought in five
million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis?
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Just take that one. Would it still be Sweden?
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Technically? Yes, maybe you would. You would call it that?
Is it the same country? Is it the same country?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (57:18):
So the people will admit when you go through this
that at some point, if you change the people in
a country enough, it is a different country.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's obvious.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
And if that, and if the five million of the
ten million coming from very different cultures, very different backgrounds,
doesn't Okay, what if we brought in ten million, What
if you're brought in ten what if all of a
sudden You'll also notice that it is only countries, according
to the Left and according to Democrats, that are predominantly
or overwhelmingly white Caucasian, that are supposed to just say
(57:52):
this is a process, that this is as natural as
it can be.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
We want as many people from the third World as possible.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Japanese aren't doing that, quite the opposite. In fact, they
Japan is for Japanese. China is not doing that, second
biggest country in the world, India is not doing that,
the biggest country in the world. They're not saying give
me everyone from everywhere else. But why is it that America,
Canada and Western European countries are supposed to do that
(58:23):
without protest, no matter the consequences. Well we start to
see what's what the awakening in this country has been
all about. And I would also again just work through
this piece by piece. If all countries are the same
in terms of where we should be privileging those who
(58:46):
come here legally, why even have a system that pretends
to be sorting and making decisions.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's all the same. Of course, it's not all the same.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Canada had a points system, an explicit point system for
how much money you have, your education, and they still
have all kinds of problems up there now with assimilation
and with the unity of the Canadian people.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
And still have a lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
But they were just like, we're gonna take the people
that are gonna do the best for us. And that
was I think, well, I'll let the Canadian speak on
that one. But it's been a big change in perception
about that. So why even have a system that allows
some in but not others if it's all the same.
Clearly some countries are going to send and this is
(59:34):
not This is again about policy.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Are there amazing? Are there incredible? Yeah? Ion Hersy Ali
is Somali, She's brilliant, She's brave, she's incredible, incredible woman.
Read her book Infidel whatever it was twenty something years ago.
She is gutsy, she is, She's an amazing woman. She's Somalie.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
It's not about holding anything against any individual. And we
talk about immigration, it's about we gotta make we gotta draw.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
The line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
We have to have some what's generally true policies, and
it is generally true that taking people from I've talked
about Taiwana fair a bit because I was just there
from Taiwan is going to result in more people who
are highly productive, highly law abiding than taking people who
(01:00:31):
have have come here from pick pick a country, you know,
from Yemen. Yemen's been in rough shape for a long
time now, very poor country, war torn country, ideologically, a
lot of jihadism.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So and then this goes back even to what the's
so called Muslim bent. We have to start to look
at this, Okay, I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
CNN. Here's CNN's Abby Phillip taking taking shot Stephen Miller
over his role in Trump administration immigration policy, Play seventeen.
Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Why are you assuming that assimilation is not happening? Yeah,
because you know, when Stephen Miller's ancestors came here in
the early nineteen hundreds, they didn't speak a lick of English.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Okay, they were.
Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Working factory jobs. There is a generational shift that happens
where sometimes the first generation they don't speak English, but
they have children, and those people are Americans, and they
become people who are no different from you or you
or you or you, assimilation actually is happening.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It does happen, So that's not the policy that we
have been told is in effect, which is just take anybody.
Eventually they'll learn English, and their kids will be born
here and they'll be as American as everybody else. And
I also note, in the context of a place like Europe,
we've seen it's not always true, not always true they
even learn the language.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
And I'm gonna tell you this. I'm here in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
There are I did not really come across as very
much in New York City in my thirty something years
living in New York. It is more common here. There
are people here who speak no English, who live here,
who are here forever. They speak no English. They are
immigrants to this country. They do not speak any English.
That's a problem. Everybody who's here should be able to
(01:02:23):
speak English. English a Trump signed, you know, English is
the National Language Executive Order. I would like to see
actually more action on this with Congress. You have to
have shared law, shared language, shared culture, shared history, because
a nation at some level is a people who come
together around ideas and those shared things.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
That I just laid out. But it is a people
meaning that it's a.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Place in time and a people in that place, and
you can't just say all of you go over here
to some other place and we're going to replace all
of you at once and it's the same country. That's
just not true. And so we've had to look at
this at a very baseline level. What is going on
in America today? How rapidly is the are the American
(01:03:12):
people not as American in this sense that you've got
tens of millions of illegals who are here, and you've
got people who are arriving here and in the case
of what we see in Minneapolis, immediately becoming dependent on
the state. Immediately they want their benefits, and that's on
all of us to pay those bills.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
The Americans who are already here.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
We're allowed to say, I don't want to be I
don't want the boot of the state on my neck
making sure that I give forty percent of my income
to the federal government so that I can pay for
foreigners who have arrived here. And you can say, oh,
it's only a small part of the budget, Okay, well
then get rid of it. That it shouldn't be happening
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Thursday edition of The Clay Travis en Buck Sexton Show.
It kicks off right now. Mister Clay is in transit,
so he is in the sky. I will be your
solo pilot for the next three hours. My co pilot
is on another plane. But we've got a lot to
talk about. He'll be back tomorrow. We'll actually be together
(00:22):
here in South Florida doing the show. And in the meantime,
I want to bring you up to speed on all
of the things that are happening out there right now,
so many of them, so many things, so many things happening.
You had DHS Secretary Nome up on Capitol Hill, you
have business leaders talking to Trump about the state of
(00:46):
the economy and this affordability question. Some people are concerned,
and I mean people on our side, capitalists, reasonable intelligent people,
concerned about how things are looking going into the end
of the year here and what it will mean for
the mid terms. Now, for those who are saying the
concern should be fix the economy, not the political consequences
(01:10):
of problems in the economy, well let me tell you something.
It's getting a lot worse. If Democrats can throw sand
in the gears of the Trump administration. If they can
play spoiler just by having a majority in the House,
we will get to impeachment number three.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It will be a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Circus, the whole thing. So it is important that we
get into a good place here and also that the
Trump administration continues to tell everybody what the plans are
more on immigration and ice enforcement as well. We've got
some important sound to share with you, some some clips
(01:49):
to share with you on that. I'm going to start
off actually with a little bit of talk on the economy.
There's there's news today that we will dive into shortly
about a Fed judge now saying that Kilmar Abrego Garcia,
the alleged MS thirteen gang member who for over a
year now has been at the center of all these
(02:10):
administration efforts to deport this guy, and it's turned into
a huge political football. This has turned into a Supreme
Court weighing in. God got sound to al Salvador. We're
gonna send him a bunch of other countries, but then
we can. And now you've got a federal judge saying
you gotta let him out right now, So we will see.
(02:31):
And that's going on while DHS Secretary Nome is up
on Capitol Hill, so that's certainly in our sites and
an important story. Let's though, just for a bit here,
talk about where we stand on the economy. People are concerned,
(02:53):
and I hear that concern from many of you that
prices are quite high. And I understand the challenge here
is it's really hard to bring down prices once they've
gone up considerably, and this is a legacy of the
madness of COVID. I think everyone should keep that in mind.
(03:14):
That many of us, well not many, some of us.
There were even some conservatives who were pretty bad on
the COVID stuff, especially on lockdowns and all the rest
of it. We're saying, you can't just tell people stay home,
don't do anything in print money, and then you can't
just spend as much money as you want to juice
the economy after that shutdown. Unfortunately, that is largely what happened,
(03:38):
and we are still dealing with the reality of that.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I will give you some of these details, or we
will discuss some of these details. But first up here CNBC,
this is cut eleven Rick Santelli. He's talking some numbers,
talking trade deficit. Let's hear from the man over at
CNBC play it.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Trade balance fifty two point eight billion. That's a better
lower trade deficit than we expected. We were looking for
a number closer to sixty two billion, and that follows
the revised minus fifty nine billion. Minus fifty two billion
would be the lightest going back to Wow, we're really
(04:18):
going back. Well, my records go back to nineteen ninety two,
and to find a smaller number than minus fifty two billion,
we're all the way back to June of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
So this is important because Trump is establishing a rebalancing
of our global trade, America's global trade with the tariffs.
And as I've said all along, you don't have to
be an expert in tariffs to understand that something is
up when all of these other countries have tariffs on us,
we don't have tariffs on really anyone. And we're the
(04:57):
ones who can't figure this out, or you know, we're
we're the odd man out. But it's because we're so
much smarter than every other country, or is it because
we've been convinced by the globalist elite in our own
country that entirely free trade that does not take in
America first perspective, that allows all the offshoring and all
the stuff that we have seen decimate the American for example,
(05:21):
American manufacturing sector, auto industry, all these things that that
is somehow to our benefit. Well it's really to the
perhaps the stock price benefit of a handful of companies.
But people are changing their tune on this. They're seeing
what's really going on. But the problem is prices. The
problem is that stuff is still expensive and people are
upset about it. In fact, even here in my home. Well,
(05:45):
I live in Miami Beaches, you know, and that's next
door to Miami. I didn't even know this until I've
moved down here. Technically different cities, they're not part of
one city. And so Miami proper just elected Downtown Miami
elected a Democrat for the first time thirty years. And
it was a combination of two things that we're going
to have to really get right for the next year
(06:10):
for the purposes of the midterm election, but also just
because they will be central I think to the success
or failure of the Trump agenda in his second term.
The cost of stuff, particularly housing young people came out.
Miami has become incredibly expensive as a city. It used
to be a great deal. I mean, if you were
smart enough to come here in two thousand and nine
(06:31):
ten and start buying up some condos, you've done phenomenally well.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now not so much.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
But the price of things, especially housing in Miami is
very high, so that factors in. We saw this also
in New York City when you have Mom. Donnieism largely
built around the promise of bringing housing prices down. He's
going to bring the cost of rent down. Now, if
you know anything about economics, you know that his solutions
(06:59):
to these problems will actually make things worse. But they
sound good, and you can get a lot of power
by saying things that sound good, no matter how bad
the results are actually going to be. One of the
issues we're going to have is that going into a
midterm year, right, It's we're at the end of year
(07:19):
one of Trump's second term. Yeah, a lot of us
can point to the status of the Biden economy and
what was going on, but that is not going to
be compelling enough to win in key in challenging races.
Former SEC chair Jay Clayton had this to say about
(07:41):
the economy. I thought you should hear this. This is
cut twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
The affordability issue is.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
But from the twenty two percent increase in prices in
inflation under.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Biden, there's this full stop right there.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That's the affordability issue, and you got to be able.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
To explain that, right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And look, I think that with the economic team President
Trump and the economic team led by Scott Dessa, you
have people who very much understand us. And it was
a they were thrown You know what, I would say,
the worst economy for the average American in my adult
lifetime in terms of the like you said, the incredible
(08:21):
increase in prices at the household.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
This is true, and the case has to be made,
but it is not sufficient on its own.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
All of you who.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Call in, write in and say, hey guys, hey Clay,
hey Buck, this stuff is just too expensive where I am,
particularly healthcare, housing, education, these things are just the price
out of control in some aspects depends on the product,
but groceries, gas prices are down, but many of you
(08:53):
and the truckers out there, we love our truckers, are
saying diesel prices are still considerably higher than we would
want to see them for a robust economy. Spending at
Christmas time I've seen some of the data on this one.
Spending at Christmas time seems to be quite a bit down.
(09:15):
People are not shelling out the kind of cash that
they did even compared to last year. Now, I think
there was tremendous bullions about the economy because of Trump's victory.
So that explains in part why last year people were
spending because they thought, oh, we're going to have a
good economy, and they were right.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But now it's too full. The challenge ahead on prices.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Affordability a word I'm as I've said along, you have
to prepare yourself to hear about this more than any
of us are going to want to. But the power
balance in DC and therefore the future of the country
for the next few years is going to be largely determined.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think based upon that the two big.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Issues it's going to be the affordability and immigration election
mid terms. That's what's gonna that's what's gonna move the needle.
And this is Republicans are seeing this early enough. Thankfully,
I'm not having this talk with all of you in
August of the election year or September of the election year. Hey, Republicans,
it's time to make the case. I think they're actually
(10:20):
seeing this in advance. And they have Scott Besson, who
is both very good at the job of Treasury Secretary
and a very good spokesman for what this administration, the Treasury,
the economy, the Fed, all of this is doing. He's
a very good mind, a very good mouthpiece on these issues.
(10:42):
But this is what Democrats are gonna hammer. They're gonna
hammer the discontent of the prices. Isn't this the most
classic move that the Democrats could possibly come up with.
They made it so prices get all jacked up. We
told them don't We said, don't do it. This is
going back to twenty twenty one, said don't do it, guys,
it's crazy. Don't spend the trillions. We've already put a
(11:05):
lot of pressure, a lot of heat into the economy
with all the shutdown spending. And that was under Trump,
but that was both sides were saying, Oh, the world's
gonna end, you know, the whole thing. Trump left it
to the states whether to stay open or not, and
with the exception of Florida, states generally did not stay open.
South Dakota state open. But there's not very many people
in South Dakota, So that was easier. Most states shut down,
(11:28):
as you know, and so we had to do something.
There was that whole emergency. But now telling people that
the worst inflation in forty years started four years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Is not really a.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Winning strategy, right or in five years ago, whatever, it's
that's not enough. I think that, unfortunately, is going to
be insufficient as part of the narrative which brings me
to you the solutions and the things that Trump and
his team are trying to do. Look at what has
happened on Trey alone. That's why I started with that.
Look at where he is on tariffs. They said, the
(12:06):
so called intelligency and Trump's going to crash the economy
based on the tariffs. He's gonna mess everything up. No,
in fact, the economy, this stock market has been booming,
but prices have remained high. The only way to bring
prices down is well, if you want to get really
technical about it, technical about it, you got to see
a you can have a cessation of demand, or you
(12:28):
could have an increase in supply. But the best thing
that we could see is an increase in efficiency of
manufacturing of goods and services. And you know, and spending
and investment, and that's what will bring prices down. Mandates
the Mamdani approach price controls. Price controls not only have
(12:50):
made New York City and the whole state of California
but because of government regulation, but price controls in New
York City have made real estate far more Anywhere where
they try this, it makes.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Real estate more expensive.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
And overall, price controls in the economy is part of
what has destroyed a large part of what destroyed the
Venezuelan economy. I mean, there's many things, but price controls
is at the heart of it. Oh, we're just gonna
seize assets and then we can't make this stuff. We're
gonna seize the factories, right, this is the Maduro approach.
We'll seize the factories and we'll make the stuff, but
we can't make much money off of it, and we're
(13:24):
not very good at making it, so we'll just say
it has to cost this. Well, that doesn't work that
way because you can't make them at that price. I
guess what happened. Shortages and then the black market comes
in with the real price. And all of this is
very well established, but the Trump team has to get
very dialed in on here is yes, talk about what
(13:47):
the Biden inflation was, and that's why I played that
se former SEC chair talk about what the Biden inflation was,
but also how it is coming down, how it is
being addressed, and how it is going to get better
over the next year because of what Trump is doing.
Republicans gotta focus in on this because it is not
(14:09):
an overstatement to say if we have a week year
of not just policy, but a week year of messaging,
and I'm gonna say, Republicans, where's the big legislation, guys,
the big beautiful bill.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Okay, it's a spending bill.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Where's the legislation, where's the you know, the the new
approach to healthcare. Got to get together on this one
and make some things happen. If you lose the House
and you're Donald Trump, then it just turns into, all right,
we gotta wait for the next election. We gotta wait
for the you know, the heir apparent or the Republican
Party to take over for MAGA, because the Democrats will
(14:43):
just till they will what's the phrase cut off their
nose to spite their face. I mean, they will just
make everything stink and then blame it all on Trump
and you know that so economy, economy, economy, very very important.
And we will talk about immigration here shortly in the
Abrego Garcia order that.
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and you talk to usually it's producer Greg to come
on live on the show. He tells us what you
were going to say. So we know where you are
as much as we can, and we're always trying to
(19:03):
to be up on your thoughts on how the country
is going, and we haven't seen very much of Hey,
where are you on the food fight. And you know,
I really appreciate that, and I like it because there
is a decency and a maturity in this audience that
is I think second to none in the entire world
(19:26):
of media, but also in it's certainly in conservative media.
I think that you are people who come at this,
this saving of the country, caring about the country with
so much good faith and enough wisdom to know that
you don't want your time wasted on petty nonsense, petty nonsense.
(19:47):
So and Clay I talk about this, you know, because
we see what's going on out there and we choose
not to get into the mud slugging and everything else.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And some of these are people that are involved that
we like. Some of them.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't even really know some of them. I don't
want to know. It doesn't really matter. I'm telling you
about all this one just so you know that we're
we're for any of you who are asking why haven't
you gotten into We're trying to save the country here.
And I don't say that to be grandiose or you know,
we're trying to get as many people as informed, as
(20:21):
fired up, as engaged, and get more people. We want
more young people. We want digital audience too, We want
YouTube subscribers, We want you know, as well as our
fantastic five hundred and sixty something stations. Who's counting we are,
But we want to focus on what really matters here.
And I just want to say, I think it is
(20:41):
to your tremendous credit that you want to as well,
because we're not getting a lot of we don't get
a lot of chirping at us about well what about
this crazy thing that this lunatic said. You know, yeah,
we make fun of the left and the Democrats to
say things, but we don't. I don't get into squabbles
with people on the right. If you're on my team
(21:03):
for ninety percent or ninety five percent of stuff, you're
on my team as it pertains to policy, as it
pertains to saving the country. And I just think that
you give us the latitude in the lee way to
continue to focus on what matters, which brings me to
we are in a real fight here for the stuff
that is affecting you every day, and I think we're losing.
(21:26):
Am I saying we the Republicans are losing a little
bit of ground on this right now? How many even
new about this that there are competing Obamacare plans being
voted on right now in the Senate. In fact, I
think the Republican one, just right, producer rally just got
voted on and failed. Now of course that of course
it failed, that's not the surprise. But they need to
(21:50):
be talking about what's involved here. And now we've got
these these different plans. This is the stuff that really
affects your day to day life. Talk to me about prices.
Everyone needs to understand Obama Care, which was passed with
a Senate supermajority. Right, Remember the disaster of the McCain
(22:11):
two thousand and eight campaign and a huge recession, and
you know, the Great Recession, all this stuff, they had
wide open, wide open pathway to slam through whatever they
wanted essentially, and this is what they did. They pushed
this reorganization of healthcare that has really put us on
(22:33):
a glide path to single payer. And it's ali, I
shouldn't say glide path. It's more like a train that
has gone off the tracks and is eventually going to
like implode, right, But they know that that's what has happened.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
There's nothing gliding about this.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's not nice because the failures that occur along the way.
Your family's healthcare premiums, the cost that you are paying
every time you go the doctor, every time you're gonna
have an elective surgery or an emergency surgery, whatever it
may be. All of that is worse now than it
was before they passed to Obamacare, and you, with your
(23:11):
tax dollars, but also more specifically specifically with your healthcare
premiums that you pay, are going to subsidize a llegal
aliens who aren't even supposed to be the country in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That's happening.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
They can pretend it's not happening, but absolutely is happening,
because the whole premise of this is that people are
going people with more. You know, this is from each
according to his ability, to each according to his needs,
played out via healthcare, and it's a disaster for all
of us because it's not increasing. I said, how do
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you deal with costs? How do you make stuff cheaper,
make more of it, make it more efficiently, put more
out there, do it better or you have shortages, Especially
with something like healthcare. What they've really done actually is
incentivize people who have care to use more of it,
(24:10):
irrespective of the outcomes. The insurance companies get rich on
this because they have guaranteed customer bases now who have
no choice and no say. The whole thing is an
absolute mess. And how many people right now even know
about the dueling Senate bills? And the Schumer bill is
going to just extend the affordable care subsidies. First of all,
(24:33):
isn't it funny? Notice a trend here. Democrats call it
the Affordable Care Act, and it has without question, there
is no counter argument here rooted in numbers, in reality, Okay,
it has made healthcare far less affordable. Premiums are up
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one hundred, one hundred and fifty percent. You want to
talk about prices, that's something you're gonna be paying every month.
That affects by the way, the bottom line, if you
own a business or you work for a business, that
is affecting everything because you're expected to, you know, you
gotta have this stuff or you're gonna go bear and
then you're just gonna deal with the realities of the
(25:17):
healthcare system as somebody who's not an illegal alien but
doesn't have insurance but could have insurance. And the whole
thing is a mess. So what the Democrats want to
do is extend the subsidies. Yeah, it is the Unaffordable
Care Act. And that's the truth. Just like the Inflation
Reduction Act. Remember under Biden they passed the Inflation Reduction Act.
(25:40):
Didn't reduce inflation at all. If anything, it increased inflation.
And the whole bill really wasn't about inflation anyway, they lie.
It is straight out of news speak from Orwell, it
is straight out of the propaganda playbook. By the way,
great time to check. One portion of Manufacturing Delusion that
(26:03):
really the book is in is in thirds. It's brainwashing,
it's indoctrination, it's propaganda, and it's stories and hit stories
from my life and history about these things. So the
back third of the book is about propaganda. Go buy
this book Manufacturing Delusion. I really mean this. It is
(26:23):
worth all of you reading. And you know, I would
not say that. People say, Buck, you've been doing this
fifteen years, why haven't you written a book before? Because
I wanted to write a book that I cared about.
I was going to write it, I had the time
to write it, and I had the ability to make
the book matter because of this platform, because of this
(26:44):
radio show, the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, which
I share with my main man who's up in the
sky right now on a plane. He's okay, But Clay,
that gives me the ability to have the critical mass
where it's It was worth the time because I didn't
want to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Like how I am defeating the Libs. Buck's way to
defeat the.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Libs and you know, and pay someone else to write
some book that I'm gonna v hawk And I'm sorry,
you know, I don't call out names. People do their
own thing, but they're just saturating those saturating the conservative
book market with forgettable you know, slop written by somebody else.
That's what's been going on in recent years. Just the truth,
(27:26):
you know it. I researched, I wrote. I put this
book together because I think it matters. I think that
the manipulation of minds to political ends, the creation of
mass delusion, the playbook to do it, is the scariest.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Thing we face.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yes, COVID, of course is a type or the you know,
the pinnacle example that comes to mind for many, but
there are so many examples of this that play out.
There are so many aspects of this in our politics today.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
People believe in all kinds of insane stuff, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
We are increasingly in a world where, you know, if
you're not saying the most inflammatory conspiratorial people think that
you're like a sellout. Well, what I always want to
say to people is how often are we wrong on
this show? How often have I had to come to
you or Clay and say, Look, we make predictions, and
we like to joke around about that although a lot
(28:21):
of our predictions, you know, end up coming true. So
but but I'm talking about telling you something that is
fact or that we know to be true. Then we
go actually, or we're really we missed that one in
a big way.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
We tell you.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We we speak to you on this show in the
same way and with the same respect that I speak
to my closest friends and my family members about these issues. Again,
that is our currency with you, that authenticity, that integrity
that we bring to the show. I do it and
Clay does it. And this is why, honestly, why we
get along so well on the air and off the air,
(28:56):
because we are completely united in that mission. And yes,
it's the continuation, it's the the honoring of Russia's legacy
because Rush did that before. But That's what all this
is supposed to be about. It's not supposed to be
people who are just you know, sniping at this person
or that person with little things on Twitter and getting
(29:19):
all nasty with each other. And you're you're a fake,
you're a fed, you're you know. No, guys, the communists
want to ruin the country. Do you understand they still
want to do this? And I know that we've had
a year where it feels like we're winning, but that
can change in the blink of an eye.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
It can change in the.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Blink of an eye, and then all of a sudden,
you want to talk about having a rough go of things,
A fractured right with an ascendant lunatic AOC mom Donnie
left is a very scary country for us. So again,
how do we get there? How can people believe this?
The book Manufacturing Delusion? Manufacturing Illusion is the book? Please
(30:01):
go And I know you say, oh, buck, I'm gonna wait. No,
just go get it now and then February it'll arrive
at your front door on the day of. And also
that you can get the audiobook too. By the way,
I'm gonna be recording that in a couple of weeks
but that'll be out on the release date of February seventeenth.
I really want all of you to get the book,
and I truly mean that. I don't know if I'm
ever going to write a book beyond this.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't know. This one took me two years and
it's not long. You can read the whole thing. It
is not a long book either.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I think it matters and I want you to read
it and you can get There's a link up at
clayanbuck dot com. But please go get the book, because,
like I said, this is the show. The things that
we do are supposed to have purpose, and it's beyond ego,
and it's beyond self congratulation and a lot of the
stuff that I see going on with the right these days.
(30:49):
We got to fix healthcare, we got to fix costs,
we got to fix inflation. We have to not just
secure the border. We got to ramp up these deportations
way more than what we've already seen. I know are
working on that, but we have to stay focused. Now
is not the time to get into intramural squabbles and
lose sight of what really matters. And to that end,
(31:10):
I will come back and discuss the Abrago, Garcia and
just the overall immigration enforcement picture. Because, like I've said, economy,
it's going to be number one the next twelve months.
I'm telling you this economy and how we talk about
it and what happens is critical. But also, yeah, the
border secure. What do we do about all the people
who are here illegally and what that has done to
(31:31):
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Speaker 6 (32:56):
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Speaker 2 (33:11):
Okay Second Hour, Clay and Buck. Let's look at immigration,
shall we. Let's jump into the biggest immigration story today.
A federal judge has ordered ordered President Trump well the
Department of Justice to release kill mar Abrigo Garcia from
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ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement from ICE custody.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is Judge Paula Zennis x I.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
NI S I guess yeah, so he is supposed to
be released immediately.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Team monitor this one for me. Let me know if
in fact.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
He does get released immediate. I have a feeling the
administration it's gonna say. I'm not sure that's how this
is going to go. We'll see, but this has been
quite a story and the Democrats are going to continue
to push very hard on this. Let's just take a
little trip down memory lane, shall we. This guy Abrego Garcia,
(34:17):
he is the alleged MS thirteen gang member who had
an order of deportation against him at some point, wasn't deported,
fighting his deportation, all this stuff, and on March fifteenth
of this year, he was sent from the US to
El Salvador, where he was detained in the Sea Cott,
(34:42):
the Center for Terrorism Confinement. And the Supreme Court weighed
in on this one, and I believe it was nine
to oh and they said, look, you guys, you can't
just remove this guy El Salvador and this removal to
(35:03):
l Salvador was illegal, so the US then brought him
back in.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
The Trump administration brought him back in.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
They there's now all this legal wrangling about is he
a member of MS thirteen?
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Is he not?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Abrego Garcia says he is not a member of MS thirteen.
Now that matters because that gang has been designated a
foreign terrorist organization. So from a legal perspective, the Trump
administration seeks to treat or now does treat it in
some ways MS thirteen like al Qaeda, and this guy
(35:39):
is now supposed to be released. There was one point
at which at which the Trump administration was trying to
remove him to Liberia, Uganda, Ghana or s what Tinny,
I gotta tell you. We're getting really deep into geography
knowledge here with that one. That's one of these really
(36:00):
tiny countries in Africa. There's some very very small countries
in Africa that are not well known. And yeah, he
was not removed to those countries. But that was what
was what was happening. Here's what's that issue with all
of this. There has been there's gonna be the continued
legal fighting over this, and is there a detainee order
to our whole immigration system has been turned into a
(36:23):
massive scam and a Third World invasion of this country
as a result of the misleading of the American people,
the taking advantage of the American people and has been
largely bipartisan. Democrats have been complete liars and frauds on this,
top to bottom. One hundred percent of Democrats are terrible
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on immigration and.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Half of Republicans.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
I would say in the twenty first century, roughly half
of Republicans are pretty terrible on immigration. I think that
would be fair me. You know, in recent years the
number has changed a lot because.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Of Trump, but if you were to take this all
the way back to say the year two thousand, you
take this back to the Bush era, Republicans have been
bad too. So this has been a huge, huge issue
and a little bit like where we are with the debt.
And I'm not somebody who traffics in despair on this program.
(37:22):
Quite the opposite, Right, we talk about the problems, we
also talk about the solutions. We look at what's gone wrong,
we never forget what's going right. But the immigration situation
is a bit like our four are soon to be
forty trillion dollars of debt It is massive. It is
affecting everything, and I don't know if we're going to
(37:43):
be able to fix it. This is just the truth.
We're going to try. I certainly am advocating for it.
But you hear people like Stephen Miller, who knows this
issue and is of sound mind on this issue at
the absolute peak. I mean, he's like at the top
of his game on immigration. This has cut sixteen. He's
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pointing out that this issue of immigration, and more specifically
legal immigration, it is messing up everything in this country.
You cannot bring tens of millions. We don't know the number.
I would guess. See whatever I say, you're gonna say, buck,
how could you? It's more, it's less most of you
would say. I think there are twenty to thirty million
(38:32):
illegals in the country right now. Twenty to thirty million,
and I don't think that's even I think that's like
definitely twenty twenty five, and maybe it's thirty thirty five.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's a lot. It's a lot. Tens of millions for sure.
The number they were telling us it's eleven million. Please.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
They let ten million in under Biden and they're planning
to never leave. So we know we're in the twenties.
I think we're in the thirties. Some of you are
gonna say, buck, we're in the forties, mate, But it's
definitely twenty thirty millions that we're talking about here. And
this is Stephen Miller on what a big issue it
is Play sixteen.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
We mask the impact of immigration every public policy issue
we discuss. We talk about test scores. If you subtract
immigration out of test scores, all of a sudden, our
test scores skyrocket. If you subtract immigration out of healthcare,
all of a sudden, we don't have near the size
of the healthcare challenges our country faces. If you subtract
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immigration out of public safety, all of a sudden, we
don't have by the crime in so many of our cities,
issue after issue, we talk about these things that just
they just happen to us. The schools just suddenly fail,
by the crime just suddenly explodes, the deficit just suddenly skyrockets.
These are a result of social policy choices that we
made through immigration.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's all true. It's all true now.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
The way that this issue has been and this is
why the Obrago Garcia thing is interfascinating Democrats aclu these types.
Oh my gosh, anything to keep a break Goo Garcia.
And this guy's in illegal, it's been accused of crimes.
He's in illegal.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
He should go.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Whatever it is they wanted, whatever it is they have
to do, they will do the left the Democrats will
do to keep illegals in this country. They want to
keep them all. If they could keep them all, they
would keep them all. Occasionally and they'll say, what about
Obama and all this. Yeah, in order to fool just
enough people to stay in power, Democrats will occasionally go
(40:34):
through a period of oh, you know, you're right, this
is a problem. Oh, maybe we should And what Obama
did was change the definition of a deportation such that
people who were caught and turned away immediately the border
they counted as a deportation. So they were juicing the
numbers there. But they were also doing that so they
(40:55):
could create the political momentum with the Gang of eight BILLU,
with the Gang of the Senate Gang of eight. They
were trying to create the political momentum for a mass amnesty,
which is and by the way, that's game over. Do
you know that the Reagan amnesty the worst thing that
Reagan did when he was president. Was the amnesty they
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did under Eisenhower. The deportation operation there ran I think
it was over a million. It was like one point
two one point three million in one year deported and
that was in nineteen fifty something. So we've been here
before and the country at some points has said, you
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know what, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
You gotta go, you gotta go.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Also, note people act like it's so oh, you've been
in America for a year or three years or whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
It may be.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
The notion of going back to the country you lived
in your whole life until you snuck into this country.
It's so horrible, it's so unthinkable. What does that mean? Well, actually,
it's interesting that Trump is just saying stuff out loud
that you're you're not supposed to say, you're not allowed
to say, but we say it now. There are countries
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that people want to live it in countries that are crappy,
this is true. There are cultures that produce countries where
people live in security, prosperity, able to achieve some degree
of of you know of of relative happiness. And and
where are countries where that's just not not going on
at all, where people.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Live a far more Hobbesian. You know, life is British,
nasty and short Hobbesian existence, and Somalia is a very
very high on that list of of what Hobbes would say.
That's a rough place.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Here is Trump saying, you know, we should be bringing
in more people from countries that produce extremely law abiding,
extremely high productivity, aligned with our values, immigrants, that's what
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we should be doing.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
This is cut fifteen. This is what Trump says.
Speaker 9 (43:09):
We had a meeting, and I say, why is it
we only take people from whole countries?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Right?
Speaker 9 (43:17):
Why can't we have some people from Norway?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Sweet? Just a few?
Speaker 9 (43:21):
Let us have a few from Denmark.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Do you mind sending us with.
Speaker 9 (43:26):
Your people, send us some nice people, do you mind?
But we always take people from Semia, places that are
a disaster, right, filthy, dirty, discussing, ridden with crime. The
only thing they're good at is going after ships.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
You can tell Trump not a fan of Somalia. It's
definitely seeing black Hawk down a few times. Not a
fan of Somolia, and a lot of Somalis aren't either.
You know, we talk about the Somali population here in Minneapolis.
There's a tremendous amount of displacement of Somalis into Kenya,
which is right next door, which is still a country
with a lot of tremendous amount of crime, unfortunately a
lot of problems, but.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
The functional country.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Notice though, that it's you're not supposed to say we
want people from happy, good countries. And you say, well,
hold on, I thought our immigration system we have been
told all this time that we're.
Speaker 7 (44:22):
Taking the next founder of Google, and we're this is,
you know, immigration doing the jobs Americans won't do, and
we're a nation of immigrants, and you hear all this propaganda,
all this stuff all the time.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
It's supposed the system is supposed to benefit the people.
Here is the system is our immigration system in the
twenty first century, benefiting those who are already here on
a aggregate you know, net net on an aggregate basis,
or have we turned into a immigration from third wor
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world countries welfare ward that we constantly are lied to.
And because most of the very poor countries in the
world this starts to get into other conversations about immigration
and about the nation state. Most of the very poor
countries in the world are non white countries. And so
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when you start to look at countries that you don't
necessarily want to take a lot of immigrants from because
they're going to have Again, this is just objective stuff.
It's not about not liking the way someone looks. It's
not about judging someone because of their skin color. It's
we're making policies to benefit Americans. If you're taking people
from countries with high levels of crime and or terrorism,
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low level of education, do not speak English and have
no cultural tie or affinity to America other than we're
really rich here, and they get to be safe and
get free stuff. And then, of course, as soon as possible,
start voting in the directions that will undermine all of that, right,
(46:05):
start voting for socialism, start voting for Islamism, start voting
for whatever. We are told that that's not what's happening,
but that has been happening, and people are allowed to
notice that and be upset about it, and the American
people are allowed to say this baden switch cannot happen anymore.
Where you say it is to our benefit, but really
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it is part of some global dei crusade of we
need to have the most.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Non white immigration possible.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
And look, there are lots. There are plenty of countries
that are non white countries that.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Are wonderful places. People are doing great.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
You know, I hope ever always is attacking Japan, for example,
for its lack of replacement. They've got to have more kids,
that's true. But it's an amazing Taiwan, which I just
came back from. It's an amazing country, phenomenal in so
many ways, wonderful people, incredibly smart, incredibly civilized. And you know,
(47:07):
there are many, many others. There are a lot, a
lot of great countries all around the world. Our immigration
system is absolutely not set up to prioritize those people.
We say, the reality of immigration is kind of the
way if you had, like, you know, a Gavin Newsome
voting California, you know, wine swilling lib you know, with
(47:33):
the Chardonnay glass, and oh, let's take as many people
from war torn filling the blank as possible. Cause that'll
make me feel I'm gonna live in Beverly Hills, but
it'll make me feel good about myself to say that
we're going to take as many people from what do
they call it in Team America dirka Drkistan, right to
take as many people from whatever country is some gee,
(47:56):
hottest hell, whole of the moment or whatever, going through
some famine or civil war. We're supposed to have a
very small percentage of asylum seekers.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Look what happened. These millions and millions of people came in.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They all say they're here for asylum. They're not here
for asylum, They're here for the spoil system. Can we
get enough of them to actually go back to their
home countries that America can be saved? This is the question.
This is where we are, and this is certainly where
the Trump administration is on this. But I'm is it
too late? We'll see what do you think happens? If
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a Democrat wins the next election, they're gonna open the
flood gates again.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Of course, of course they are.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
If Trump can't get this done with the House in
the Senate, who's gonna reverse the flood. We need to
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Speaker 2 (49:54):
We are talking immigration and how this is such a
critical issue. Go with immigration, so go with the nation.
I think Ken Trump and his team fix it. You
had DHS Secretary of Nome on the Hill today, getting
a whole lot of back and forth with Democrats who
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are trying to get their soundbites, and she is trying
to make the case, make the case that well, for one,
Democrats are very dishonest on this issue. Of course that's true,
and that the Trump administration is acting within the law,
and that there's going to be a lot more of
what we have already seen. I certainly hope that's the case.
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In the meantime, over on that CNN show, I think
it's CNN tonight, right, is that the one or they
changed them all the time, It doesn't really, it's that
the one with Abby Phillip whatever they call it.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
She was talking about this.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
She was talking about the immigration issues that you and
I are discussing here. And I just want to point
out whenever you start to hear a liberal talk about
this country and they're the worst on guns, this is
just kind of funny for those of you, which is
pretty much not all of you, but a vast, vast
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majority of you who are gun people. Democrats will speak
about guns and it's like their first day of learning
Mandarin Chinese, like they just know nothing and they don't care.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
They know nothing.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
They'll talk about chainsaw, bayonets and machine gun, flamethrower, you know,
laser pods, and they.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Just have no idea. They just know they want to
ban them, they want to take them from you. Everything goes.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
When they talk about the history of immigration, they also
have no idea. They don't know what they're talking about,
and they leave out very key things, things that we
need to know today and we need to have people
familiar with in order to have reasonable immigration policy going forward.
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And I think we've reached a point in America where
the foreign born population is too high, meaning that we
need to slow things down. It's not a knock on
anybody who's an immigrant legally, not a knock on anybody's
background who's an immigrant, or anyone's religion or skin color
who's an immigrant.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
It's just okay.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
The history of America and its immigration policies has been
we take in a bunch of people, and then we say, okay,
we need to let everyone do the America thing for
a while here, and then all right, we taking in
a bunch of people, and then we say, hold on
a second, it's time to let everybody get to know
each other. Americanize the new arrivals, and this is now
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something you can talk about. You couldn't even say this
stuff really ten fifteen years ago without.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh my gosh, how could you. Well, look, what's happening
in Europe.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
You have large constituencies, including of asylum seekers or refugees
in Europe in countries who make it very explicit they
hate the country.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That I mean when I say hate it. They love
the welfare, they love that.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
They're now safe and fed and warm and housed and
all of that courtesy of the host country. But they
despise the beliefs and the people and the culture and
everything else. You have this in the UK, you have
this in Sweden, you have this in the Netherlands. You
have this in Belgium. You have this in France, you
have this in Spain. You know, you have Germany. You
have this in these countries now, large populations of new
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arrivals who are not saying, hey, we're gonna we're gonna
be there for you, We're gonna do the best stuff
we had, and we're so grateful, We're so grateful.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Do you get the sense.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
That the illegals that have come into America, who go
to these protests for example, and create all this this
spectacle in places like Los Angeles. Remember we saw that
Trump called it the National Guard. Did they ever speak
of the gratitude they have for this country. No, they
think they'd They think that it's owed to them. I
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came here and I'm just as American as you.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
But you're not.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
You're not lawfully in this country. You violated the Compact.
The law of the United States is something that binds
all Americans, and you, the illegal, have violated that. You
are not as American as everybody else. Sorry, but you
go on place like CNN and they will say things
(54:29):
that are just counterfactual about the history of immigration and
how these processes have all worked. And I've even gotten
to the point now where I like to say to people,
you know, pick a country, Pick a country like Sweden.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
It's a good example for a bunch of reasons.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
I think Sweden has ten million people, you know, ten
million people, and they've led in something like a million
migrants in the last decade or two from the Middle
East for Muslim countries, and they've got some problems, some
challenges by the The data on particularly violent crimes of
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sexual sexual crimes show that the new arrivals. Unfortunately, in
these countries from the Muslim world are wildly disproportionately represented
in the ranks of the offenders, just a fact, so
much so that countries like Sweden try to hide it
as a matter of state policy. We have that too,
(55:32):
I might add, in this country you have a lot
of in the stats about who's committing crimes. You'll have
illegals who look like they're in MS thirteen, but they'll
be counted in prison data as white. So wait, so
now we're dealing with the white Hispanic thing again. Remember
that with George Zimmerman, which they only could pull off,
(55:52):
they thought the media on the Trayvon Martin situation because
his last name was Zimmerman. If his name was you know,
with George Dominguez, might have been a little harder to
say he's a white guy. But that's that's what they
tried for a while. The white Hispanic I'd never I had,
truly never. I'm trying to think in the media have
I had I ever heard that term. I don't think
I'd ever heard that term in a media report, at
(56:13):
least before the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin trial, which Obama
weigh in on if you recall and said, if he
had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon. Because
Obama was really interested in harmony and racial healing in
this country. Sure, how did that all go for us? Regardless?
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I am now on a mission to try to do
all I can to educate people who were willing to
listen about what really happened at various times in this
country's history when it comes to immigration. Oh sorry, Sweden,
I have to finish my Sweden Sweden model.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm weaving.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I'm weaving, as Trump says, right, he says, I'm weaving,
weaving a story, weaving a tale.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
Okay, Swedeness ten million people.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Would it still be Sweden if they brought in five
million Syrians, Iraqis and Somalis?
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Just take that one. Would it still be Sweden?
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Technically? Yes, maybe you would. You would call it that?
Is it the same country? Is it the same country?
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (57:18):
So the people will admit when you go through this
that at some point, if you change the people in
a country enough, it is a different country.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
That's obvious.
Speaker 2 (57:27):
And if that, and if the five million of the
ten million coming from very different cultures, very different backgrounds,
doesn't Okay, what if we brought in ten million, What
if you're brought in ten what if all of a
sudden You'll also notice that it is only countries, according
to the Left and according to Democrats, that are predominantly
or overwhelmingly white Caucasian, that are supposed to just say
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this is a process, that this is as natural as
it can be.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
We want as many people from the third World as possible.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Japanese aren't doing that, quite the opposite. In fact, they
Japan is for Japanese. China is not doing that, second
biggest country in the world, India is not doing that,
the biggest country in the world. They're not saying give
me everyone from everywhere else. But why is it that America,
Canada and Western European countries are supposed to do that
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without protest, no matter the consequences. Well we start to
see what's what the awakening in this country has been
all about. And I would also again just work through
this piece by piece. If all countries are the same
in terms of where we should be privileging those who
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come here legally, why even have a system that pretends
to be sorting and making decisions.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It's all the same. Of course, it's not all the same.
Speaker 2 (58:57):
Canada had a points system, an explicit point system for
how much money you have, your education, and they still
have all kinds of problems up there now with assimilation
and with the unity of the Canadian people.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
And still have a lot of problems.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
But they were just like, we're gonna take the people
that are gonna do the best for us. And that
was I think, well, I'll let the Canadian speak on
that one. But it's been a big change in perception
about that. So why even have a system that allows
some in but not others if it's all the same.
Clearly some countries are going to send and this is
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not This is again about policy.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
Are there amazing? Are there incredible? Yeah? Ion Hersy Ali
is Somali, She's brilliant, She's brave, she's incredible, incredible woman.
Read her book Infidel whatever it was twenty something years ago.
She is gutsy, she is, She's an amazing woman. She's Somalie.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
It's not about holding anything against any individual. And we
talk about immigration, it's about we gotta make we gotta draw.
Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
The line somewhere.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
We have to have some what's generally true policies, and
it is generally true that taking people from I've talked
about Taiwana fair a bit because I was just there
from Taiwan is going to result in more people who
are highly productive, highly law abiding than taking people who
(01:00:31):
have have come here from pick pick a country, you know,
from Yemen. Yemen's been in rough shape for a long
time now, very poor country, war torn country, ideologically, a
lot of jihadism.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
So and then this goes back even to what the's
so called Muslim bent. We have to start to look
at this, Okay, I wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
CNN. Here's CNN's Abby Phillip taking taking shot Stephen Miller
over his role in Trump administration immigration policy, Play seventeen.
Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Why are you assuming that assimilation is not happening? Yeah,
because you know, when Stephen Miller's ancestors came here in
the early nineteen hundreds, they didn't speak a lick of English.
Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Okay, they were.
Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Working factory jobs. There is a generational shift that happens
where sometimes the first generation they don't speak English, but
they have children, and those people are Americans, and they
become people who are no different from you or you
or you or you, assimilation actually is happening.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It does happen, So that's not the policy that we
have been told is in effect, which is just take anybody.
Eventually they'll learn English, and their kids will be born
here and they'll be as American as everybody else. And
I also note, in the context of a place like Europe,
we've seen it's not always true, not always true they
even learn the language.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
And I'm gonna tell you this. I'm here in South Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
There are I did not really come across as very
much in New York City in my thirty something years
living in New York. It is more common here. There
are people here who speak no English, who live here,
who are here forever. They speak no English. They are
immigrants to this country. They do not speak any English.
That's a problem. Everybody who's here should be able to
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speak English. English a Trump signed, you know, English is
the National Language Executive Order. I would like to see
actually more action on this with Congress. You have to
have shared law, shared language, shared culture, shared history, because
a nation at some level is a people who come
together around ideas and those shared things.
Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
That I just laid out. But it is a people
meaning that it's a.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Place in time and a people in that place, and
you can't just say all of you go over here
to some other place and we're going to replace all
of you at once and it's the same country. That's
just not true. And so we've had to look at
this at a very baseline level. What is going on
in America today? How rapidly is the are the American
(01:03:12):
people not as American in this sense that you've got
tens of millions of illegals who are here, and you've
got people who are arriving here and in the case
of what we see in Minneapolis, immediately becoming dependent on
the state. Immediately they want their benefits, and that's on
all of us to pay those bills.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
The Americans who are already here.
Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
We're allowed to say, I don't want to be I
don't want the boot of the state on my neck
making sure that I give forty percent of my income
to the federal government so that I can pay for
foreigners who have arrived here. And you can say, oh,
it's only a small part of the budget, Okay, well
then get rid of it. That it shouldn't be happening
at all. Finally, we can talk about this. The President's
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