December 12, 2025 • 51 mins
Get Out of Jail Free Card
Breaking news from the world of college football: University of Michigan offensive coordinator Sherrone Moore has been fired and faces serious criminal charges after an alleged violent incident involving a former subordinate. Clay details the shocking reports of Moore’s arrest and the potential arraignment, underscoring how this story could dominate national sports and news cycles. From sports, the conversation pivots to legal and political battles in blue jurisdictions, focusing on the difficulty of securing grand jury indictments against high-profile Democrats like New York Attorney General Letitia James. Buck and Clay analyze why grand juries in deep-blue areas often refuse to indict, even in cases with clear evidence, and praise attorney Lindsay Halligan for her rare success in obtaining indictments against figures such as James Comey and Letitia James. They argue that partisan bias has fractured the justice system and propose reforms, including allowing defendants to move federal cases to their home states for fairer trials.
The War on Drugs
Escalating ttensions in the Caribbean as the United States seizes a Venezuelan oil tanker, signaling a major escalation in President Donald Trump’s push for regime change against Nicolás Maduro. The hosts detail how Venezuela’s economy—dependent on oil exports and narcotics—is collapsing under U.S. sanctions and military pressure, including 22 strikes on narco-trafficking boats resulting in 80 traffickers killed. They analyze Trump’s strategy, which includes tightening sanctions, seizing oil shipments, and possibly deploying targeted airstrikes or drone operations, while emphasizing that Maduro’s days in power appear numbered.
The discussion explores the geopolitical ripple effects, including Cuba’s vulnerability as it relies on Venezuelan oil and the broader implications for global energy markets. Buck argues that stabilizing Venezuela could significantly lower oil and gas prices, reducing shipping costs and easing inflation for American consumers. Clay highlights the irony of climate activists opposing U.S. energy production while forcing reliance on “dirty” foreign oil, and the hosts underscore how communism has turned a resource-rich nation into an economic disaster. They also touch on Chevron’s stake in Venezuelan assets and the Nobel Peace Prize awarded to an exiled Venezuelan dissident who credited Trump for supporting her escape.
Nerding Out with Ryan Girdusky
Ryan Girdusky, who shares exclusive insights from CDC birth data revealing a sharp decline in births to foreign-born mothers across 41 states. This trend suggests that mass deportations and self-deportation under President Donald Trump’s immigration policies are working, with an estimated 2 to 2.5 million illegal immigrants leaving the U.S. in 2025. Ryan explains how enforcement measures, combined with pending Supreme Court action on birthright citizenship, could further curb illegal immigration and end birth tourism in hotspots like New York, Miami, and California.
The discussion highlights the broader impact of immigration enforcement on housing affordability, noting that fewer illegal immigrants reduces demand for homes and rentals. Buck and Clay connect this to recent reports showing a 2.5% drop in home prices and four consecutive months of declining rental rates, signaling relief for young Americans seeking housing. Ryan also critiques outdated immigration laws prioritizing family reunification and urges reforms to strengthen merit-based entry. On the economic front, the trio evaluates Trump’s performance on affordability, praising lower gas prices and reshoring efforts while calling for strategic use of government contracts to boost domestic manufacturing.
Clay & Buck Christmas Plans
The hosts wrap up with reflections on AI’s growing role in media, sharing behind-the-scenes anecdotes about audiobook recording and future tech that could replicate voices for interactive experiences. They caution listeners about potential scams targeting seniors and discuss the cultural implications of AI-driven personalization. Closing out the hour, Clay previews his upcoming Fox News appearance and teases next week’s lineup of guest hosts, ensuring fans stay connected during the Christmas season.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family of very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Here, the entire Clay and Buck Show wish you and
your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome in Friday edition, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We
are down in Miami where Buck and his wife Carrie
through a spectacular holiday party last night. So festivities of
the Christmas season are in the air here and I'm
sure many different places around the country, as I bet
(00:38):
a lot of you are into the holiday party season swing.
We've got a ton of different stories to update you
on and to dive into with all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is a crazy one, Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This is a little bit my world's colliding because it
is a top story everywhere and it kind of came
out yesterday. But the University of Michigan has a football
coach who has been fired, Sharon Moore, and it appears
that he is going to be charged with very very
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serious criminal offenses.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Maybe while we're.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
On the air today in the ann Arbor, Michigan area,
there are tons of reporters that are prepared to hear
the arraignment there. He has been in prison in jail
since Wednesday, so two nights now. They have not yet
released the arraignment, but Buck, it appears, based on the
(01:41):
reports that are out there, that he was engaged in
a relationship with a subordinate. She went public with the
University of Michigan with the fact that that relationship was
going on, and then he was fired, and then he
evidently he flipped out, and there are reports he showed
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up at her house with a knife, threatening to kill
her and kill himself, and he was arrested and he
has been held for the past two days now those
reports maybe we can grab him. That aired on the
local Fox affiliate in Detroit. But this is a this
(02:23):
is an unbelievable story and it is going to be
I think as the charges come out, and even bigger story,
so we will follow that. Just when you think college football,
Buck finally becomes a college football fan a bit and
the Stori's just become unbelievable and insane as we break
all that down. Now bigger international stories that are out there. Buck,
(02:49):
the Venezuela situation continues to tick up. It feels like,
to a large degree, we've got the Jasmine Crockett Joy
reads it down interview that absolutely no one on the
planet was talking about, but I actually wanted to. We'll
talk about Gilmar Breo Garcia, the Maryland Dad aka the
(03:10):
human trafficking smuggler, is back in the news. But I
thought this was interesting and we haven't talked about it
a lot. Lindsay Halligan was the attorney who was appointed
and was able to get indictments of James Comy and
of Leticia James. But we've talked about the difficulty sometimes
(03:31):
in getting grand jury indictments in these Democrat blue areas.
Buck and Leticia James, now with new attorneys trying to
get these indictments, has twice been refused to be indicted
by grand juries. And this is cut one. Listen to this,
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this big discussion, because again, what is it that Lindsay
Halligan was able to do that no one else who
has been in her job can somehow accomplished.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Listen to cut one. You died by the word.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This is the the notion that no one is above
the law.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And it seems pretty clear that she actually did commit
a crime.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Now I actually because.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Leticia James, I'm saying it's clear that she did commit
a crime.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It looks like she filed application.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
That were the case, it would be easy piece to
get a grand jury jury.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
In Virginia is necessarily I don't know, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What's going on here that only Lindsay Halligan seems capable
of getting these indictments you're seeing. We've talked about this
a lot, but you you know, the guy who threw
the subway sandwich was the DC grand jury refused to indict.
One of the big challenges that Trump has faced as
he is trying to hold people accountable for the crimes
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that they allegedly have committed, is there are lots of
these blue jurisdictions which we are playing a road game
every single time time, that to a large extent just
will not indict.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I have an idea about what a solution would be, Buck,
But this is why we've kind of consistently said, the
idea that you're going to be able to get some
form of justice here is going to be very very difficult,
not only because the statutes of limitations are running out,
but just because left wing grand juries refuse to indict
because they're trying to indict their own team members. So
(05:28):
that's really the final thing you said. I think is
the determining factor, which is it's not I would think
the particular skill, legal skill and acumen of the of
Lindsay Halligan. I think that what this is just is
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the jury. Is this grand jury comprised of people who
view any indictment of Leticia James as inherently political. This
is the problem. It is now all so political that
it's very hard for people, where some people are unwilling
to disentangle the politics. Right, Letitia James Attorney General of
New York in a gross violation of very basic ethics
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for government employee, a prosecutor said I'm going to get
a private citizen when she was running, okay, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Was the entire foundation of much of her campaign, was
saying I'm going to get Donald.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Trump and and she should be ashamed of that, and
everybody who supports her or supported and supports her should
be ashamed of that. They're not, of course, but that
was what she did. And then she brought a very
clearly absurd political hit job civil case against Donald Trump
and with a massive judgment. And all you have to
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know is that she, according to her the banks are idiots.
Trump's an idiot, even though everyone involved here are super sophisticated,
worth billions and billions of dollars, do their own due diligence,
and they're all happy. She knew more than Trump and
the banks who were he worked with, who said he
wanted to wanted to work with them again, he defrauded them.
(07:07):
That this is insane. But now they've said, okay, fine,
no one's above the law. That includes no one includes
right inherently Letitia James. There are people on that jury
who they watch CNN, they read the Washington Post, in.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Particularly the Northern Virginia jury.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right, they read the Washington Post, and they think that
no matter what you clay, if they if they showed
up with Leticia James on video accepting a million dollars
in cash to prosecute Trump, yes, there are a lot
of people on the jury who say, Nope, nope, not
going to do it. Either I don't believe it or
I don't care because she's anti Trump. So this just
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shows you how fractured the legal system has become because
of this. Well, and here's my solution.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And I think I've had a couple of senators on
with us and made this case we have to allow
at least when it comes to prosecutions, people say, okay,
they can indict anybody who's a Republican in DC, Northern Virginia, obviously,
New York City, many of these blue cities inside of
blue jurisdictions.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You should be.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges
brought against you. So, in other words, if I were
charged with a crime in Washington, d C. I should
be able to move that case back to my home
state of Tennessee. I don't think it would solve everything,
but it would mean that a jury of my actual
peers would judge me as opposed to a jury of
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a kangaroo court in a blue city that is overwhelmingly
opposed to me because of my politics. And look, this
is what Trump is having to deal with.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We're in South Florida right now, and there is talk
that they are trying to make charges be brought around
the Biden Department of Justice, Jack Smith, all of that
investigatory process. I believe there's a grand jury impaneled in
South Florida that actually feels fair to me because it's
much more of a fifty to fifty ish jurisdiction. But
(09:08):
when you're trying to get anyone indicted for federal crimes
that occur in the Washington, DC area, which almost all
of them do, it is well nigh impossible.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I used to phrase, well nigh, I don't think my
grandma's going to be happy. Well nigh impossible to get
an actual indictment there. And look, we praise Lindsay Halligan
for her ability to do this, buck no one else
seems to be capable of doing it, which makes you
wonder what are these career prosecutors actually doing and how
aggressively are they really bringing the case in front of
(09:42):
the grand jury. Why could we get an indictment from
Lindsay Halligan when she did it and these career prosecutors
aren't able to do it. It makes me wonder how
much are they really going through the process of trying
to get charges versus just kind of going through what
they consider to be an illegitimate case, not actually trying
to get an indictment.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, also, if you look at just expectations management here,
we're just talking about a grand jury indictment, which Abby
Phillip is correct. Abby Phillips is correct that that is
generally a pretty slam dunk part of the process. Yes,
getting an actual conviction, that's going to be a whole
other situation. But I would just say with this kind
(10:22):
of a crime, it's very straightforward, yes, which is why
the resistance to this or you know, to claim that
it's political, is to assert that facts in evidence that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Both sides have.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean, this is, you sign the paperwork, it wasn't
your house, you signed it multiple times, you lied, you
got a financial benefit from it. Those are the allegations.
But that's what is pretty straightforward about this. Other broke
the law, you didn't. And really what you're seeing are
people who will take the position that breaking the law
for someone who is who has used the law to
(10:58):
get trumpet, they have a get out of Jeffrey Cart
essentially that you are above and beyond legal sanction as
long as you have tried to get Trump and I think,
unfortunately that may play out the same way on a jury, Clay,
all you need is one hashtag resistance, you know, angry,
(11:20):
probably middle aged female bureaucratit Department of such and such
to be on that jury. And guess what logician James.
Worst case scenario, you're looking at a hung jury and
totally I think that will one hundred percent end up happening.
We wanted to update you on that. We'll have some
fun Friday edition. Our buddy Ryan Gerdesky is going to
(11:40):
be with us at two. There's some data out there
that suggests that millions of people may well have left
the country who were here illegally in.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The birth numbers, and he's a data nerd. He broke
it down for us. I read it earlier this week.
I was impressed by the methodology. And he'll come on
and explain because there's been a lot of talk about
not only who is being deported, but how many people
are self deporting. So we will talk about all that
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Speaker 3 (13:30):
All right, second hour, Play and Buck kicks off right now,
and things are well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
They've been heating up for a while.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela, a
US armada not only prepared for further action like what
we have seen against those Narco boats which are getting
blown up, and Secretary of warhag Set says that is
going to continue. But now we have in addition to
(14:01):
this of seizures of oil tanker, we have the US
has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan
oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this,
more than anything else, is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan
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Maduro regime. So we already have this build up clay
of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly
and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got
to go. There have been reports even of efforts to
get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that
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the Trump administration has been willing to give them have
been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this so far,
or at least that's what the reporting is. And now
you have the US grabbing ninety ninety percent of the
Venezuelan government's budget, essentially is oil exports.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil exports,
and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting right now,
drugs and oil. The oil is like a heavy crude
that requires some pretty extensive refining as I understand it,
and even more importantly than that, it also is under sanctioned.
(15:30):
So it's only getting sold to Chinese, mostly getting sold
to the Russians. I know they have a lot of oil,
but you know they'll take it at a huge discount.
It's getting sold essentially to countries that are willing to skirt,
evade or just ignore US sanctions in different ways.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
There.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So we seized an oil tanker, just like fast rope
guys down there's photos of this. We just took this
oil tanker and said that it is a part of
are sanctions against the Venezuelan regime. We have twenty two
strikes against boats in the region clay eighty people narco
traffickers killed in those strikes, and now we have the
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US seizing oil tankers from Venezuela. This will not take long.
The Venezuelan economy is already teetering on the I mean
it's effectively ruined. It has been ruined by Maduro, by
the socialist. No shock there, and it seems pretty clear
to me at this point. I don't think it's going
on on a limit. All that Trump's policy here is
regime change in Venezuela. Now that doesn't necessarily mean US
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troops or any kind of a ground invasion. But Trump
has also not ruled out targeted air strikes, essentially missile strikes,
perhaps bombers coming off of aircraft carriers, drones going after
ground assets in Venezuela. We might be in the regime
(17:03):
change business here very soon because seizing oil tankers, you
only have to do this a few times before the
Venezuela and all of a sudden, the coffers are just
dry in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They got nothing left.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here which
the climate change people seem to have to a large
extent kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing
us at least they're not making ascendant arguments that are
winning right now. When they were not allowing us to
explore oil and gas to a large degree in this country,
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and they were trying to limit how much we could
produce here, they were instead allowing other countries which produce
oil and gas, as you said, in a much less
refined and clean way that is actually far more detrimental
to the overall environment. We were having to buy the
oil from them, so even on their own goals here
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they were morons. I do think that the question of
what should happen in Venezuela. I don't know if you
read the story the exiled woman who got the Nobel
Peace Prize and said I'm accepting this partly on behalf
of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck out of
the country. Did you see that story is really kind
of an amazing story about how they snuck her out
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of the country. They notified the United States of what
vessel she was going to be in, so we didn't
strike it, thinking that it might be a Narco boat.
And there's also reports that we provided cover for her
when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from being able
to come and try to seize her. On that boat,
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she went to I believe, Cursow and then caught a
plane there.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To fly to.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able
to speak there. But so the question is if we
removed Maduro to what extent will that rate game change
look like. And when I say we remove Maduro, I
think there's just a hope at this point that due
to the threats that we have brought to bear, that
he will decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how
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much of a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela regime
change A lot of people out there, probably listening to
us right now, are going to point out does not
always go fantastically well for the United States. So I
believe there are twenty three million Venezuelans. How many people
do you think of Venezuelan descent are An America?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
A million or more I would think, certainly, right that
have fled that country because they are so angry over
what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here,
the rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike
anything you can even possibly COMPREHENDI.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
There's one hundred thousand Venezuelans to one hundred and fifty
thousand Venezuelans just here in mind, I mean Venezuelan Americans
or you know, immigrants just here in Miami.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, I mean, maybe the number is not a million,
but I would think it's close hundreds of thousands of
people have fled Venezuela to come to the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Eight thousands not too bad.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
How many of those people would be willing to go
back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have
some form of sustained, not crazy left wing leadership.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who
remember what it was like really under the Shaw period
and before the Komani and Iranian Islamic Revolution took over.
It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people.
Everything should be overall going very well there. For this
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is one of the things that you see here, Clay.
It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall
into the grips of say, of communism, because look, it's
gonna be tough. There's not a lot of not a
lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous
amount of advantage in that in that geography, just just
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as a as a place to set up a country.
It's like the old sid Meyer civilization game that I
love so much as a kid, Like you got to
pick where you put your city, and you want it
to be near a river, and you want it to
be near farmland. You know, Nicaragua's a pretty place, but
it's not sitting on one of the largest proven oil
reserves in the world. Yes, Venezuela is in the Western Hemisphere.
Should have a fantastic relationship with America and Canada and
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you know, all the big players in the region. And
it should have a high quality of standard of living.
You know, it should be like Latin American Norway. Yeah,
another place that has huge now you know, oil and
gas reserves and has created you know, a really big
essentially national trust fund for everybody to fund a lot
of things. And instead it's a total economic basket case.
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It's actually kind of a hell hole.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The Majuro regime has worked with We hear about Trenda Aragua.
It's a prison gang and now they have not only
gangs that run all the prisons, which you can imagine
if you're an opposition figure clay, you get arrested, you
go into one of the prisons run by a prison
gang that, oh, by the way, is supported.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
By the actual government.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Think about what that's Yeah, and controls the smuggling roots
for the drugs and engages in acts of political violence.
Assassination and all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices.
It's like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's
going on. And Trump is just saying, We're going to
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tighten the screws until this thing collapses.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We'll play this, by the way, in a sec Trump saying,
we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But
before we play that, I was reading an article and
I think it is significant that there are tons of
tankers of oil that are currently out to see that
are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously
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trying to sell on the black market tons of oil
and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that
the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China,
for instance, in India are not taking that illicit oil
and gas at the same level that they were before,
which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also
in theory putin from an economic perspective, here, by the way,
(23:21):
is Trump this is cut thirty saying, hey, by the way,
you heard, we did this. We seized a tanker of
oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela cut thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day
from the same point of news. As you probably know,
we've just choosed a tanker on the coast of Venezuela
large tank of very large largest whatever scenes action and
other things are happening.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Other by the way, it's a very trump thing. Other
things are happening. Yeah, you've got the bugis Armada. The
Caribbean has I don't know if there's ever been a
bigger one. I mean maybe you have to go back
to the World War One will get way back in the day.
But you you have a massive military build up in
the Caribbean, not a place we usually think of is
(24:16):
where you know, Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean not as much.
Something's definitely going on and and a secondary component of
all this clay and this definitely is going to get
the attention of a lot of our South South Florida listeners.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Cuba is also just scraping along, just barely. The regime
there just barely able to make it all keep going.
And they're they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or
highly subsidized ohyah. In Venezuelan regime, and they do effectively
a barter of sorts, where Venezuela sends Cuba oil and
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Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs by the way,
because they're all trained by the KGB and the Soviets,
so you know, they.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Know that business.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They they are very close as well to a regime
that is effectively economically frozen in place. So I mean
more so than Cuba already has been for fifty years.
So we're going to see where this goes. We're gonna
it's like when Trump says, we're gonna We're gonna look
at that. We're gonna look at it. I think there's
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a very good chance that Maduro is going to be
gone within six months, and that's a pretty wide latitude.
It might even be more like two or three months.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, And again, what I would say, if you're out
there and you say I don't care what goes on
in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could
have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price
of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially.
And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods.
Then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's
diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any
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product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that
allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping
comes down. And anybody out there who was ever been
involved as I have been in selling retail goods through
the mail, the amount of cost of shipping will blow
your mind.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt,
and always trying to find ways to do it at
the best cost so that we don't have to pass
those costs on to cost on to customers. So yeah,
shipping is a big partner thinking about this. Venezuela is
sending its oil to China, Yes, that's I mean, think
about the cost of that shipment for that oil, which
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is already, like I said, it's a very heavy crude,
and then on top of it, there's the sanctions, and
then on top of it you've got to.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Send it all the way.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity selling
oil right here into the US or right you know,
right into all around Latin America. But communism can destroy anything.
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This is what people.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Communism is a virus, and when the virus takes hold
and replicates, it will kill the host every time. And
on top of all that, buck we have a lot
of interest with American corporate I think it's Chevron has
a huge stake and they've to a large extent, tried
(27:15):
to seize all the American assets inside of those companies
the foreign assets. So this is something worth paying attention to.
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think it's going to happen, maybe by the end
of the year, maybe by into January. By the way,
news coming out of Michigan head coach there has been
charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live,
I think right now in Fox News. Former University of
Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now
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Welcome and final Hour of the Week. We hope all
of you are having fantastic fridays. You can always find
us on podcasts. You can find the entire podcast network,
which includes the guests that we are about to bring on,
Ryan Gerdusky, Carol Markowitz, Lisa Booth, David Rutherford. I mean,
(29:28):
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who is a total chunk. There may be photos of
that up soon.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What is he? What is he? Wait now, not trying
to put him on blast.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Here, twenty pounds, He's in the ninety fifth percent of
for weight. We call him Lord Chunkingham.
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First of his name.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
He is a chunker. I mean those legs. That's like, yeah,
it is really awesome. So we were just downstairs with that.
You can see that picture. I hope you and your
family are having great holiday seasons already. All right, bring
in Ryan Kurdusky. Now, Ryan, you got a lot of
great stuff. Encourage people to go subscribe to your substack
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as I am, and you can see many different stories
out there that you're regularly writing. And earlier this week
you had a piece that I thought was super interesting.
One of the big debates out there has been we
know that Trump is deporting illegal immigrants, focused on the
criminal among them, but exactly how many people are choosing
(30:51):
to voluntarily leave on top of those that are being
deported has.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Been a point of real debate.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And you you now have been able to go into
data and look at some of the birth details and
start to maybe get a sense for what the overall
population might be of the illegal immigrant population and how
it might have changed. That's a long way of asking
what have you found, tell us how you found it.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
So the CDC, the government shutdown, did not update their
birth their monthly birthday, and it's the preliminary birthday because
they come out with the final one after the next
year is over, obviously, because they got through December, so
they finally come up with September and October, and we've
have a long, long year basically of data. And what
I always said was if an on legal alien was pregnant,
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seven months, eight months, she's not going to self deport.
You go, I wait to have the baby and have
an anchor baby, basically a citizen. But over the time,
we would see if if the massiveportations were working, because
by this time of the year October, they wouldn't have
been pregnant when Trump was a president or just newly pregnant,
so they would have been deported or self deport And
what we've noticed is in forty one states and the
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District of Columbia, the foreign born population of new babies
being born is down in forty one of the fifty states,
and in a lot of the states that have seen
population increase of foreign born births, most of them have
a very small foreign born population. So it's like Vermont,
New Hampshire, West Virginia, Montana, North Dakota, so anything like
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if there's two more, it would be a big increase
because there's very few to begin with. So in most
parts of the country there's a significant decline in the overall.
There's but thirty five thousand fewer births from foreign born
mothers this year compared to last year, and what we're
looking at overall especially and that's especially coming the last
two months. The numbers have dropped up significantly, by ten
(32:43):
thousand in the last month alone. So you're seeing mass
deportations decrease substance, sorry, increase substantially. And given that the
form born data is matching other data up there, rental
property data, you're seeing Bureau of Labor Statistics data that
means it's self deportation. The number is well into the
two millions of foreign born people, mostly illegal aliens, who
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have left the country. And it's very interesting is where
you're seeing the scattering of the drop in foreign born birds.
Places like Texas had a big drop off, Nevada, you know,
even Kentucky and New York, places that have both been
complying with the administration and non compliant, You've seen this
overall drop. So it's pretty broad across the country.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Ryan, this is a story that I feel like the
administration needs to get out there more because the deportation
number is what four or five hundred thousand I think
for the year so far. Does that sound about right?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Something?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
They now it's plus six or seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay, it ticked up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, so we'll say six hundred thousand just to put
us in the ballpark. But when you've let ten million
in not this administration obviously, but with ten plus million
coming in under Biden in four years, people can do
the back of the Napkin math on this one. It's
this other piece of changing enforcement priorities and the incentives
for people to continue to stay here illegally that gives
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that number that you're citing. Looking at this data, where
do you think they can actually increase this? What are
the ways that they can take these numbers and get
them even higher next year? Because I know the White
House is considering a whole range of things.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well, the first thing is made the Supreme Court case right,
which is over the birthright citizenship, which is what the
Trump has done. If that is gone, if the Supreme
Court says that the illegal aliens tourists do not have
rights to citizenship, they are not considered in the jurisdiction
of which is the big five words of the fourteenth Amendment.
If they're not in the jurisdiction of the United States
because they're here illegally and their children are not automatically
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granted citizenship, that is going to be a slight switch
because that will dry of birth tourism in New York, California, Miami,
the other places. You see a lot of people from
across the world, China and Russia and Mexico coming United
States to have a child as a citizen. That will
be the first thing the administration is pursuing that very
very strongly. Another one is going to sit there, and
(35:04):
I mean what they really should do is sit there
and withhold Medicaid payments to hospitals that are notorious illegal
alien hub hubs for illegal aliens to have children in
places like in al Paso or in San Diego, places
that sit there in the use because these births are
all covered by the taxpayer. The hospital is not refusing them,
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which is why you're seeing a massive number of border
of hospitals on the border going bankrupt year after year
because Medicaid payments are not as high as private sector
payments or private insurance payments. Sitting there and asking for
the full data of illegal alien birth in these hospitals
and with I'm threatened with whole Medicaid money unless those
berths are given, that could ramp up enforcement in those
(35:47):
areas because they're not going, you know, they're not going
to see the Rapids Iowa, you know, to have a baby,
they're going to the same twenty cities across the country,
and that we can crack down on birth tourism by
forcing in those areas you know, where people are having children,
where people are at nine months pregnant showing up with
(36:07):
you know, a six month long visa of TOURUS visa
to have a child. And they're not all illegally crossing
the border. Some of them are requesting to sit there
and visit the United States at eight and a half
months pregnant for several months in order to have a
baby here. Things like that that could stop them from
flying in overseas when they're nine months pregnant in order
just to have American citizen children. That's those are easy
staples that are not you know, they don't have ugly
(36:31):
views as far as like you know, pregnant one being
arrested that we don't want, we don't want videos of
that happening. So refusing visa's torust visas to women who
are nine months pregnant in these specific areas. But also
you know, it dropped that number them further.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
We're seeing and I think this is partly related frankly
to interest rates starting to come down, meaning fifteen and
thirty year mortgages in general are cheaper at the end
of the year than they were at the beginning. But
I saw a report this morning, Ryan that the average
home price came down two point five percent this year,
and there are some people saying, well, partly real estate
(37:07):
prices are going to come down. In fact, this is
one argument JD. Van's made because if we have twenty
million illegals, which is the number that Tom Homan has
said we have, if millions of those illegals leave the country,
then in theory, that would open up more.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Housing and drive down the cost of housing. Right.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Do you buy into a correlation there at all or
do you think it's more likely just connected with interest rates.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah. The last especially says we just don't build up housing.
We build at one point five million new homes per
year in the United States. But you think about it. One,
we taken about a million legal immigrants per year, and
then there's all the amount of adults who are turning
twenty one, twenty two they want to buy a house
though twenty five, whatever it is, and buy a house
or rent a house either, which one and all the
people who buy second homes and the foreigners who buy homes.
(37:54):
There's tons of Canadians who own homes in Florida, for example,
for summer homes in Arizona. So you increase, you open
the entire housing markets of the world. And plus with
the illegal and population, it's not a matter of a
supply issue, it's a demand issue. That demand for a
house in America is just through the roof, and our
own citizens always kind of fall to the back. So
given that there are fifteen to twenty million illegal aliens,
(38:17):
I know they say there's less, but it's probably closer
to it's probably fifteen million or above. Dropping that population
down by two million, which is, you know, less than
ten percent, but it's a significant percentage that absolutely opens
up the housing market and even a rental apartment. Rentals
are are declined for four consecutive months in half the country,
so you see it. You're seeing housing housing down two
(38:40):
point five percent. It's not a significant drop, but you
don't want that significant of a drop. You don't want
a massive housing recession. So two point five percent drop
in housing is great. Four months of consecutive declining in
rental's overall nationally. Is also a strong sign for eighteen
to twenty five year olds who want to rent an
apartment for the very first time in their life. All
these are good indicators that the illegal alien population and
(39:03):
the form worm population declining. That population is open up
availability towards housing and at least relieving you know, this
major crisis we have, at least temporarily on housing. We
have to start cracking down on the legal immigration system
and trying to change it. The fact that more than
half of our legal immigration is just family reunification. It's
(39:24):
because you're related to somebody you get citizenship into our
Our entry into our country is very, very outdated and
should be reformed. But the illegal alien population, which is
the low hanging fruit going after that, we're seeing signs
in housing and in birth data to say this is
this is changing, and so therefore the illegal alien population
is drying up by two to two point five million
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this year.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
By the way, I say twenty million, and we always
get emails from people saying, oh, it's way higher. That's
the number that Tom Holman has given us. I asked
him directly, how many illegal immigrants do you think are
in the country. Tom Holman, who knows this world better
than almost anyone, says that number is twenty million.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Just FYI, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
No, I agree with him. It's probably it's twenty million.
What the official number the eleven point two which has
done like that for twenty five years. That comes from
Pew Research. They put that number at every year. So
like CBS and CNN eat it up. But it's a
complete it. It's just a Pew Research number. It's a lie.
Everybody who's really a study this knows is twenty million
or around that number. So I completely agree with Tom Holman. So, yeah,
(40:27):
ten percent is a big drop in a single solitary year.
I mean, it's a really effective enforced mechanism that Tom
Holman and the Department of Homeland Security is really initiated
throughout this year.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
How is the Trump team doing you think on the
affordability issue as it pertains to the electorate going into
the midterms next year. Affordability is the huge buzzword. Everyone
knows it. How are they handling this you think?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I mean, look on certain things, it is becoming more affordable.
Gasoline's at a five year low. That's great. Gasoline and
energy is one of the main major, major, major drivers
a lot of different things, right, because we need gas
to transport food across the country and across the globe.
We need we need gasoline to move products, you know, everywhere.
(41:12):
What I think, what I think, there's there's a there's
there's certain things. The media is a very good job
at labeling the terraffs as the main driver. Everything that
is increasing is not terrorf related. In insurance is increasing substantially.
Everyone's insurance has gone up. That has nothing to do
with a terraff, right, There's a lot of other things
(41:32):
that are working in there. Electricity bills, partially because the
AI data centers, but not completely, but partially because of that.
That's a problem. Where they have failed the most this
administration is by passing another budget that borrows money, that
decreases the value of the dollar. It's it's it's it's
it's a tax that no one is seeing. But where
they have been effective is at reassuring some manufacturing. What
(41:53):
I have told many people in the administration people and
the Senate people on the Hill, what they need to
do is go to the Department of War and have
Pete Hagg's guest sit there and look at certain items,
certain items that is necessary in the military bias, for instance,
aspirin and anti inflammation. The military is one of the
biggest purchasers of medical supplies in the entire world. If
(42:17):
they said we're going to issue a government contract only
if those supplies were built in America or made in America,
which Titlenholl can be made in America, they would make
them in America. They need to weaponize government contracting to
build them more domestically, which would increase supply chains towards
the United States, increase job production towards the United States.
Weaponizing military weaponizing contracts to the Department of War would
(42:39):
be essential in bringing that. So I would give them
about a six. They've done certain things been very effective.
The media has lied terribly about these tariffs, which have
good things and bad things attached them, but more good
than bad. But overall a lot of these prices are
things that are kind of lingering from the Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Ryan outstanding stuff as always. Where can people find you?
In addition to the fantastic Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah Numbers Game podcast is on YouTube app Please like
and subscribe everywhere iHeartRadio app and Apple podcasts and everything
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Speaker 1 (43:15):
Gardusky outstanding stuff. Have a good weekend, man, and a
happy holiday season.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yes, Merry Christmas, all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
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for the local children's hospital there, and I donated my
speaking fee to the local children's hospital and also to
Mountain Ways, which is a Hurricane Helene relief organization that
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Speaker 3 (45:16):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are closing up
shoped before we send you off for this weekend, and
I want to tell you that you know we are
gonna be there's gonna be a live Clan Buck show
all next week. It'll be US or a version there off.
Clay is gonna be solo Thursday Friday. And it's not
because I'm heading off the cabo. I'm gonna be recording
Manufacturing Delusion audio.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Book for my book.
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So please those of you who are audiobook people, you
can already you can get that. You can buy that
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Book is released.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Guest host though Clay during the holidays, yes, meaning that
there will be live Clay and Buck shows. We're gonna
have fantastic guest host Brett Winterble of WBT, John Colebilt
of k f I out that's a huge, huge station.
Brian Mudd of a w j n O or good
buddy from West Palm. David Rutherford, former Navy seal of
(46:07):
the Clay and Buck podcast network, and Tutor Dixon of Michigan,
also of the Clay and Buck podcast network. So all
all people who will do really great shows. So if
any of you are going to be tuning into the
news or just want someone to hang with it. All
over the holiday weeks, we will have some great, great people.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
See, I promise you you're not going to be he
will be together Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Then you're going to
be doing the book twenty minutes in You'll be like
I would kill to me.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I'm probably going to send you some live I'm going
to send you some live updates for how people don't
miss rad I did.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I did the Balls book read. I've done the last
three of my books. They just put you basically in
a windowless container and you sit directly in front of
a mic, and there you have to flip through and
you imagine how tough this was for me. Any word
you mispronounced, any unnecessary verbiage that comes out, or sound
(47:01):
or anything else, and you constantly, I mean, you have
to read every word. And this is probably something that
AI is eventually going to be able to do. That
will be one that I look forward to.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
We don't want AI to get too good at talking
like us. That's not good either, you know, but we
want it to be helpful with things like this.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
In fact, this is fun.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I was with the Fox Sports crew at the Big
Ten title game this past weekend, and they now have
Colin Cowherd's one of the biggest names, Buddy of mine,
biggest names in sports talk radio. They now have AI
that is soon going to debut where you can ask
Colin Cowherd any question about sports under the sun, and
(47:42):
it automatically gives an answer his voice in a perspective
that they've done based on analyzing all of the shows
that he's done, so you can basically have him in
the pocket of your hand. And I thought to myself,
oh man, this is going to be Clay and Buck.
At some point they're going to decide because we talked
for fifteen hours a week to get us one of
these AI things. But then it's going to eventually lead into, honestly,
(48:05):
where you can't tell what's real and what's not right
because AI is getting so advanced that they can take
a voice like mine or a voice like yours and
have us saying anything under the sun. And I think
it's going to become an issue for politicians, for people
who are in public life, heck, maybe just for normal people.
I think also it's going to really get complicated for
elderly people, Buck, because I think they're going to start
(48:27):
to scam people by making you think, oh, that's my
grandson or your granddaughter.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Happen.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
It's just gonna get more and more sotisficated talkbacks. Here
AA weighing in on the wrapping paper debacle.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Play it, hey, guys, Tyson here Northern Minnesota truck driver
farmer bringing week to the mill. Anyways, for those who
need special wrapping paper, I hope their parents love them
enough to pack them chalk as a present. And also,
i'd like to hear what your guys thoughts would be
on the movie remake of Warriors in a modern money
New York City. Just thought that'd be interesting.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Have a good one, Warriors, Mom, Donnie in New York City. Look, Mom,
don he's not the mayor yet, so we haven't seen
anything that crazy go on. I'm gonna tell you something.
I actually have not seen the movie Warriors. I've seen
the jiu jitsu movie with Tom Hardy, Warrior, which I
actually thought was good and enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Have you seen Warriors?
Speaker 5 (49:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I haven't because I saw that I was hoping you had.
Because I know that we're gonna get blown up probably
for not having seen this movie, so I can't even
give a good answer to his second part.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Seventies when is when the movie producer you know who's
definitely seen it? Producer Mike, Producer Mike, do you have
a take for a son Warriors or producer Greg, either
of you. It's good. Oh okay, he said, Okay, yeah,
I knew these guys had seen it, Movie Warriors. I'm
trying to think when it when it came out Movie
Warriors seventy nine. I was gonna say, right, a little
(49:51):
bit before I was born. It's a bunch of gangs,
not gangs of New York. Obviously, that's a different movie
where I honestly think that Daniel de Lewis is the
only reason to watch that movie.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
But that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Warriors come out and play is the famous line, Oh
I've not seen this one. I'm an have to check
it out.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
We will see. But yeah, there used to be.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
New York used to be the backdrop for a lot
of urban healthscates movies, largely because of not just this
the urban decay, but there's so much graffiti. The city
with graffiti was a plague, and it was when I
was in the eighties. It was terrible there's a if.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
You look at some of the situations of Paris. Paris
has been overrun by graffiti feeing.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Such a bad sign of where things stand. KK Brian
from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Let's hear him, okay, Buck.
Speaker 8 (50:42):
The difference between us nineteen eleven users and the rest
of you is we only need seven rounds because we're
that good is shot and we indeed one round per target,
not multiple rounds with those tiny little nine million years.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
We don't.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
All right, Brian, it's in the gadgets. We get it done,
We get ourselves a long rifle.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And then we really take Look, Brian, I want to
be clear. I respect that you still use a musket
and that you're willing to take the little powder horn
and go through that whole process. But when you fire
and miss with your musket, just know that I will
be there with my staccato nine millie and I got
your back.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh, all the gun trash talk, you will see me
in four minutes on Fox News talking with Martha McCallum.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I believe, so I'll see you guys. I'm like Clay's handler.
I'm gonna run him out like you gotta get there,
you gotta get there. We'll see you all on Monday.
Have a great weekend, everybody. Merry Christmas.
Play Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you
and your family of very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Buck Sexton.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Here, the entire Clay and Buck Show wish you and
your family a warm Christmas season and a joyful New Year.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Welcome in Friday edition, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We
are down in Miami where Buck and his wife Carrie
through a spectacular holiday party last night. So festivities of
the Christmas season are in the air here and I'm
sure many different places around the country, as I bet
(00:38):
a lot of you are into the holiday party season swing.
We've got a ton of different stories to update you
on and to dive into with all of you.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is a crazy one, Buck.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
This is a little bit my world's colliding because it
is a top story everywhere and it kind of came
out yesterday. But the University of Michigan has a football
coach who has been fired, Sharon Moore, and it appears
that he is going to be charged with very very
(01:14):
serious criminal offenses.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Maybe while we're.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
On the air today in the ann Arbor, Michigan area,
there are tons of reporters that are prepared to hear
the arraignment there. He has been in prison in jail
since Wednesday, so two nights now. They have not yet
released the arraignment, but Buck, it appears, based on the
(01:41):
reports that are out there, that he was engaged in
a relationship with a subordinate. She went public with the
University of Michigan with the fact that that relationship was
going on, and then he was fired, and then he
evidently he flipped out, and there are reports he showed
(02:02):
up at her house with a knife, threatening to kill
her and kill himself, and he was arrested and he
has been held for the past two days now those
reports maybe we can grab him. That aired on the
local Fox affiliate in Detroit. But this is a this
(02:23):
is an unbelievable story and it is going to be
I think as the charges come out, and even bigger story,
so we will follow that. Just when you think college football,
Buck finally becomes a college football fan a bit and
the Stori's just become unbelievable and insane as we break
all that down. Now bigger international stories that are out there. Buck,
(02:49):
the Venezuela situation continues to tick up. It feels like,
to a large degree, we've got the Jasmine Crockett Joy
reads it down interview that absolutely no one on the
planet was talking about, but I actually wanted to. We'll
talk about Gilmar Breo Garcia, the Maryland Dad aka the
(03:10):
human trafficking smuggler, is back in the news. But I
thought this was interesting and we haven't talked about it
a lot. Lindsay Halligan was the attorney who was appointed
and was able to get indictments of James Comy and
of Leticia James. But we've talked about the difficulty sometimes
(03:31):
in getting grand jury indictments in these Democrat blue areas.
Buck and Leticia James, now with new attorneys trying to
get these indictments, has twice been refused to be indicted
by grand juries. And this is cut one. Listen to this,
(03:52):
this big discussion, because again, what is it that Lindsay
Halligan was able to do that no one else who
has been in her job can somehow accomplished.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Listen to cut one. You died by the word.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
This is the the notion that no one is above
the law.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And it seems pretty clear that she actually did commit
a crime.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Now I actually because.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Leticia James, I'm saying it's clear that she did commit
a crime.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It looks like she filed application.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
That were the case, it would be easy piece to
get a grand jury jury.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
In Virginia is necessarily I don't know, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
What's going on here that only Lindsay Halligan seems capable
of getting these indictments you're seeing. We've talked about this
a lot, but you you know, the guy who threw
the subway sandwich was the DC grand jury refused to indict.
One of the big challenges that Trump has faced as
he is trying to hold people accountable for the crimes
(04:52):
that they allegedly have committed, is there are lots of
these blue jurisdictions which we are playing a road game
every single time time, that to a large extent just
will not indict.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I have an idea about what a solution would be, Buck,
But this is why we've kind of consistently said, the
idea that you're going to be able to get some
form of justice here is going to be very very difficult,
not only because the statutes of limitations are running out,
but just because left wing grand juries refuse to indict
because they're trying to indict their own team members. So
(05:28):
that's really the final thing you said. I think is
the determining factor, which is it's not I would think
the particular skill, legal skill and acumen of the of
Lindsay Halligan. I think that what this is just is
(05:49):
the jury. Is this grand jury comprised of people who
view any indictment of Leticia James as inherently political. This
is the problem. It is now all so political that
it's very hard for people, where some people are unwilling
to disentangle the politics. Right, Letitia James Attorney General of
New York in a gross violation of very basic ethics
(06:14):
for government employee, a prosecutor said I'm going to get
a private citizen when she was running, okay, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Was the entire foundation of much of her campaign, was
saying I'm going to get Donald.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Trump and and she should be ashamed of that, and
everybody who supports her or supported and supports her should
be ashamed of that. They're not, of course, but that
was what she did. And then she brought a very
clearly absurd political hit job civil case against Donald Trump
and with a massive judgment. And all you have to
(06:46):
know is that she, according to her the banks are idiots.
Trump's an idiot, even though everyone involved here are super sophisticated,
worth billions and billions of dollars, do their own due diligence,
and they're all happy. She knew more than Trump and
the banks who were he worked with, who said he
wanted to wanted to work with them again, he defrauded them.
(07:07):
That this is insane. But now they've said, okay, fine,
no one's above the law. That includes no one includes
right inherently Letitia James. There are people on that jury
who they watch CNN, they read the Washington Post, in.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Particularly the Northern Virginia jury.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right, they read the Washington Post, and they think that
no matter what you clay, if they if they showed
up with Leticia James on video accepting a million dollars
in cash to prosecute Trump, yes, there are a lot
of people on the jury who say, Nope, nope, not
going to do it. Either I don't believe it or
I don't care because she's anti Trump. So this just
(07:45):
shows you how fractured the legal system has become because
of this. Well, and here's my solution.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And I think I've had a couple of senators on
with us and made this case we have to allow
at least when it comes to prosecutions, people say, okay,
they can indict anybody who's a Republican in DC, Northern Virginia, obviously,
New York City, many of these blue cities inside of
blue jurisdictions.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You should be.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Able to remove to your local jurisdiction any federal charges
brought against you. So, in other words, if I were
charged with a crime in Washington, d C. I should
be able to move that case back to my home
state of Tennessee. I don't think it would solve everything,
but it would mean that a jury of my actual
peers would judge me as opposed to a jury of
(08:35):
a kangaroo court in a blue city that is overwhelmingly
opposed to me because of my politics. And look, this
is what Trump is having to deal with.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
We're in South Florida right now, and there is talk
that they are trying to make charges be brought around
the Biden Department of Justice, Jack Smith, all of that
investigatory process. I believe there's a grand jury impaneled in
South Florida that actually feels fair to me because it's
much more of a fifty to fifty ish jurisdiction. But
(09:08):
when you're trying to get anyone indicted for federal crimes
that occur in the Washington, DC area, which almost all
of them do, it is well nigh impossible.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I used to phrase, well nigh, I don't think my
grandma's going to be happy. Well nigh impossible to get
an actual indictment there. And look, we praise Lindsay Halligan
for her ability to do this, buck no one else
seems to be capable of doing it, which makes you
wonder what are these career prosecutors actually doing and how
aggressively are they really bringing the case in front of
(09:42):
the grand jury. Why could we get an indictment from
Lindsay Halligan when she did it and these career prosecutors
aren't able to do it. It makes me wonder how
much are they really going through the process of trying
to get charges versus just kind of going through what
they consider to be an illegitimate case, not actually trying
to get an indictment.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, also, if you look at just expectations management here,
we're just talking about a grand jury indictment, which Abby
Phillip is correct. Abby Phillips is correct that that is
generally a pretty slam dunk part of the process. Yes,
getting an actual conviction, that's going to be a whole
other situation. But I would just say with this kind
(10:22):
of a crime, it's very straightforward, yes, which is why
the resistance to this or you know, to claim that
it's political, is to assert that facts in evidence that.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Both sides have.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I mean, this is, you sign the paperwork, it wasn't
your house, you signed it multiple times, you lied, you
got a financial benefit from it. Those are the allegations.
But that's what is pretty straightforward about this. Other broke
the law, you didn't. And really what you're seeing are
people who will take the position that breaking the law
for someone who is who has used the law to
(10:58):
get trumpet, they have a get out of Jeffrey Cart
essentially that you are above and beyond legal sanction as
long as you have tried to get Trump and I think,
unfortunately that may play out the same way on a jury, Clay,
all you need is one hashtag resistance, you know, angry,
(11:20):
probably middle aged female bureaucratit Department of such and such
to be on that jury. And guess what logician James.
Worst case scenario, you're looking at a hung jury and
totally I think that will one hundred percent end up happening.
We wanted to update you on that. We'll have some
fun Friday edition. Our buddy Ryan Gerdesky is going to
(11:40):
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that suggests that millions of people may well have left
the country who were here illegally in.
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The birth numbers, and he's a data nerd. He broke
it down for us. I read it earlier this week.
I was impressed by the methodology. And he'll come on
and explain because there's been a lot of talk about
not only who is being deported, but how many people
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All right, second hour, Play and Buck kicks off right now,
and things are well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
They've been heating up for a while.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They're getting really hot off the coast of Venezuela, a
US armada not only prepared for further action like what
we have seen against those Narco boats which are getting
blown up, and Secretary of warhag Set says that is
going to continue. But now we have in addition to
(14:01):
this of seizures of oil tanker, we have the US
has seized an oil tanker in the Caribbean, Venezuela, Venezuelan
oil tanker. And this is a big deal because this,
more than anything else, is the lifeblood of the Venezuelan
(14:22):
Maduro regime. So we already have this build up clay
of forces in the Caribbean. Trump has been saying repeatedly
and for weeks now, Maduro's days are numbered. Maduro's got
to go. There have been reports even of efforts to
get Maduro to leave the country, but the guarantees that
(14:44):
the Trump administration has been willing to give them have
been insufficient to get Maduro to agree to this so far,
or at least that's what the reporting is. And now
you have the US grabbing ninety ninety percent of the
Venezuelan government's budget, essentially is oil exports.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
It is a true economic one trick pony. It's oil exports,
and then it's drugs. That's what Venezuela is exporting right now,
drugs and oil. The oil is like a heavy crude
that requires some pretty extensive refining as I understand it,
and even more importantly than that, it also is under sanctioned.
(15:30):
So it's only getting sold to Chinese, mostly getting sold
to the Russians. I know they have a lot of oil,
but you know they'll take it at a huge discount.
It's getting sold essentially to countries that are willing to skirt,
evade or just ignore US sanctions in different ways.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
There.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
So we seized an oil tanker, just like fast rope
guys down there's photos of this. We just took this
oil tanker and said that it is a part of
are sanctions against the Venezuelan regime. We have twenty two
strikes against boats in the region clay eighty people narco
traffickers killed in those strikes, and now we have the
(16:18):
US seizing oil tankers from Venezuela. This will not take long.
The Venezuelan economy is already teetering on the I mean
it's effectively ruined. It has been ruined by Maduro, by
the socialist. No shock there, and it seems pretty clear
to me at this point. I don't think it's going
on on a limit. All that Trump's policy here is
regime change in Venezuela. Now that doesn't necessarily mean US
(16:41):
troops or any kind of a ground invasion. But Trump
has also not ruled out targeted air strikes, essentially missile strikes,
perhaps bombers coming off of aircraft carriers, drones going after
ground assets in Venezuela. We might be in the regime
(17:03):
change business here very soon because seizing oil tankers, you
only have to do this a few times before the
Venezuela and all of a sudden, the coffers are just
dry in Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
They got nothing left.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I think you pointed out something significant here which
the climate change people seem to have to a large
extent kind of vanished. But when they were not allowing
us at least they're not making ascendant arguments that are
winning right now. When they were not allowing us to
explore oil and gas to a large degree in this country,
(17:35):
and they were trying to limit how much we could
produce here, they were instead allowing other countries which produce
oil and gas, as you said, in a much less
refined and clean way that is actually far more detrimental
to the overall environment. We were having to buy the
oil from them, so even on their own goals here
(18:00):
they were morons. I do think that the question of
what should happen in Venezuela. I don't know if you
read the story the exiled woman who got the Nobel
Peace Prize and said I'm accepting this partly on behalf
of Donald Trump. She had to be snuck out of
the country. Did you see that story is really kind
of an amazing story about how they snuck her out
(18:23):
of the country. They notified the United States of what
vessel she was going to be in, so we didn't
strike it, thinking that it might be a Narco boat.
And there's also reports that we provided cover for her
when she was overseas to keep Venezuela from being able
to come and try to seize her. On that boat,
(18:44):
she went to I believe, Cursow and then caught a
plane there.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To fly to.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Fly to accept the Nobel Peace Prize and be able
to speak there. But so the question is if we
removed Maduro to what extent will that rate game change
look like. And when I say we remove Maduro, I
think there's just a hope at this point that due
to the threats that we have brought to bear, that
he will decide to voluntarily relinquish power. And then how
(19:12):
much of a power vacuum does exist in Venezuela regime
change A lot of people out there, probably listening to
us right now, are going to point out does not
always go fantastically well for the United States. So I
believe there are twenty three million Venezuelans. How many people
do you think of Venezuelan descent are An America?
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
A million or more I would think, certainly, right that
have fled that country because they are so angry over
what has happened there. And we talk about inflation here,
the rates of inflation in Venezuela are right now unlike
anything you can even possibly COMPREHENDI.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
There's one hundred thousand Venezuelans to one hundred and fifty
thousand Venezuelans just here in mind, I mean Venezuelan Americans
or you know, immigrants just here in Miami.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, I mean, maybe the number is not a million,
but I would think it's close hundreds of thousands of
people have fled Venezuela to come to the United States.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Eight thousands not too bad.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
How many of those people would be willing to go
back to Venezuela potentially if we were able to have
some form of sustained, not crazy left wing leadership.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
It reminds me of when you talk to Iranians who
remember what it was like really under the Shaw period
and before the Komani and Iranian Islamic Revolution took over.
It's a great culture, a great country with fantastic people.
Everything should be overall going very well there. For this
(20:39):
is one of the things that you see here, Clay.
It's one thing for a country like Nicaragua to fall
into the grips of say, of communism, because look, it's
gonna be tough. There's not a lot of not a
lot of natural resources. You know, there's not a tremendous
amount of advantage in that in that geography, just just
(21:02):
as a as a place to set up a country.
It's like the old sid Meyer civilization game that I
love so much as a kid, Like you got to
pick where you put your city, and you want it
to be near a river, and you want it to
be near farmland. You know, Nicaragua's a pretty place, but
it's not sitting on one of the largest proven oil
reserves in the world. Yes, Venezuela is in the Western Hemisphere.
Should have a fantastic relationship with America and Canada and
(21:26):
you know, all the big players in the region. And
it should have a high quality of standard of living.
You know, it should be like Latin American Norway. Yeah,
another place that has huge now you know, oil and
gas reserves and has created you know, a really big
essentially national trust fund for everybody to fund a lot
of things. And instead it's a total economic basket case.
(21:48):
It's actually kind of a hell hole.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The Majuro regime has worked with We hear about Trenda Aragua.
It's a prison gang and now they have not only
gangs that run all the prisons, which you can imagine
if you're an opposition figure clay, you get arrested, you
go into one of the prisons run by a prison
gang that, oh, by the way, is supported.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
By the actual government.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Think about what that's Yeah, and controls the smuggling roots
for the drugs and engages in acts of political violence.
Assassination and all kinds of horrific oppression to silence opposition voices.
It's like an anarcho tyranny state right now. That's what's
going on. And Trump is just saying, We're going to
(22:30):
tighten the screws until this thing collapses.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
We'll play this, by the way, in a sec Trump saying,
we seize the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. But
before we play that, I was reading an article and
I think it is significant that there are tons of
tankers of oil that are currently out to see that
are having difficulty being delivered anywhere because Russia is obviously
(22:58):
trying to sell on the black market tons of oil
and gas, and so is Venezuela. And the pressure that
the Trump administration has brought to bear means that China,
for instance, in India are not taking that illicit oil
and gas at the same level that they were before,
which is weakening the overall power of Maduro. But also
in theory putin from an economic perspective, here, by the way,
(23:21):
is Trump this is cut thirty saying, hey, by the way,
you heard, we did this. We seized a tanker of
oil and gas off the coast of Venezuela cut thirty.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Well, thank you very much. It's been an interesting day
from the same point of news. As you probably know,
we've just choosed a tanker on the coast of Venezuela
large tank of very large largest whatever scenes action and
other things are happening.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Other by the way, it's a very trump thing. Other
things are happening. Yeah, you've got the bugis Armada. The
Caribbean has I don't know if there's ever been a
bigger one. I mean maybe you have to go back
to the World War One will get way back in the day.
But you you have a massive military build up in
the Caribbean, not a place we usually think of is
(24:16):
where you know, Persian Gulf. Yes, Caribbean not as much.
Something's definitely going on and and a secondary component of
all this clay and this definitely is going to get
the attention of a lot of our South South Florida listeners.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Cuba is also just scraping along, just barely. The regime
there just barely able to make it all keep going.
And they're they're dependent on getting essentially free oil or
highly subsidized ohyah. In Venezuelan regime, and they do effectively
a barter of sorts, where Venezuela sends Cuba oil and
(24:51):
Cuba sends Venezuela some doctors, some security thugs by the way,
because they're all trained by the KGB and the Soviets,
so you know, they.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Know that business.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
They they are very close as well to a regime
that is effectively economically frozen in place. So I mean
more so than Cuba already has been for fifty years.
So we're going to see where this goes. We're gonna
it's like when Trump says, we're gonna We're gonna look
at that. We're gonna look at it. I think there's
(25:21):
a very good chance that Maduro is going to be
gone within six months, and that's a pretty wide latitude.
It might even be more like two or three months.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, And again, what I would say, if you're out
there and you say I don't care what goes on
in Venezuela, I think what would happen if we could
have a sane government in Venezuela is the overall price
of oil and gas would continue to come down pretty substantially.
And if you're out there concerned about cost of goods.
Then the cost of goods relating to shipping, whether it's
diesel fuel for people out there driving trucks, or any
(25:51):
product that's being effectively shipped anywhere around the world that
allows a higher profit margin when the cost of shipping
comes down. And anybody out there who was ever been
involved as I have been in selling retail goods through
the mail, the amount of cost of shipping will blow
your mind.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Is what we deal with with Crockett. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I'm just shipping people coffee is an expensive problem, no doubt,
and always trying to find ways to do it at
the best cost so that we don't have to pass
those costs on to cost on to customers. So yeah,
shipping is a big partner thinking about this. Venezuela is
sending its oil to China, Yes, that's I mean, think
about the cost of that shipment for that oil, which
(26:31):
is already, like I said, it's a very heavy crude,
and then on top of it, there's the sanctions, and
then on top of it you've got to.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Send it all the way.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
You know, Venezuela should be operating at maximum capacity selling
oil right here into the US or right you know,
right into all around Latin America. But communism can destroy anything.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
This is what people.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Communism is a virus, and when the virus takes hold
and replicates, it will kill the host every time. And
on top of all that, buck we have a lot
of interest with American corporate I think it's Chevron has
a huge stake and they've to a large extent, tried
(27:15):
to seize all the American assets inside of those companies
the foreign assets. So this is something worth paying attention to.
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I think it's going to happen, maybe by the end
of the year, maybe by into January. By the way,
news coming out of Michigan head coach there has been
charged with three criminal elements. They are taking it live,
I think right now in Fox News. Former University of
Michigan football coach Sharon Moore in the jail right now
(27:44):
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One of the big debates out there has been we
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criminal among them, but exactly how many people are choosing
(30:51):
to voluntarily leave on top of those that are being
deported has.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Been a point of real debate.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
And you you now have been able to go into
data and look at some of the birth details and
start to maybe get a sense for what the overall
population might be of the illegal immigrant population and how
it might have changed. That's a long way of asking
what have you found, tell us how you found it.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
So the CDC, the government shutdown, did not update their
birth their monthly birthday, and it's the preliminary birthday because
they come out with the final one after the next
year is over, obviously, because they got through December, so
they finally come up with September and October, and we've
have a long, long year basically of data. And what
I always said was if an on legal alien was pregnant,
(31:40):
seven months, eight months, she's not going to self deport.
You go, I wait to have the baby and have
an anchor baby, basically a citizen. But over the time,
we would see if if the massiveportations were working, because
by this time of the year October, they wouldn't have
been pregnant when Trump was a president or just newly pregnant,
so they would have been deported or self deport And
what we've noticed is in forty one states and the
(32:01):
District of Columbia, the foreign born population of new babies
being born is down in forty one of the fifty states,
and in a lot of the states that have seen
population increase of foreign born births, most of them have
a very small foreign born population. So it's like Vermont,
New Hampshire, West Virginia, Montana, North Dakota, so anything like
(32:21):
if there's two more, it would be a big increase
because there's very few to begin with. So in most
parts of the country there's a significant decline in the overall.
There's but thirty five thousand fewer births from foreign born
mothers this year compared to last year, and what we're
looking at overall especially and that's especially coming the last
two months. The numbers have dropped up significantly, by ten
(32:43):
thousand in the last month alone. So you're seeing mass
deportations decrease substance, sorry, increase substantially. And given that the
form born data is matching other data up there, rental
property data, you're seeing Bureau of Labor Statistics data that
means it's self deportation. The number is well into the
two millions of foreign born people, mostly illegal aliens, who
(33:06):
have left the country. And it's very interesting is where
you're seeing the scattering of the drop in foreign born birds.
Places like Texas had a big drop off, Nevada, you know,
even Kentucky and New York, places that have both been
complying with the administration and non compliant, You've seen this
overall drop. So it's pretty broad across the country.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Ryan, this is a story that I feel like the
administration needs to get out there more because the deportation
number is what four or five hundred thousand I think
for the year so far. Does that sound about right?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Something?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
They now it's plus six or seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Okay, it ticked up a little bit.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, so we'll say six hundred thousand just to put
us in the ballpark. But when you've let ten million
in not this administration obviously, but with ten plus million
coming in under Biden in four years, people can do
the back of the Napkin math on this one. It's
this other piece of changing enforcement priorities and the incentives
for people to continue to stay here illegally that gives
(34:06):
that number that you're citing. Looking at this data, where
do you think they can actually increase this? What are
the ways that they can take these numbers and get
them even higher next year? Because I know the White
House is considering a whole range of things.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well, the first thing is made the Supreme Court case right,
which is over the birthright citizenship, which is what the
Trump has done. If that is gone, if the Supreme
Court says that the illegal aliens tourists do not have
rights to citizenship, they are not considered in the jurisdiction
of which is the big five words of the fourteenth Amendment.
If they're not in the jurisdiction of the United States
because they're here illegally and their children are not automatically
(34:43):
granted citizenship, that is going to be a slight switch
because that will dry of birth tourism in New York, California, Miami,
the other places. You see a lot of people from
across the world, China and Russia and Mexico coming United
States to have a child as a citizen. That will
be the first thing the administration is pursuing that very
very strongly. Another one is going to sit there, and
(35:04):
I mean what they really should do is sit there
and withhold Medicaid payments to hospitals that are notorious illegal
alien hub hubs for illegal aliens to have children in
places like in al Paso or in San Diego, places
that sit there in the use because these births are
all covered by the taxpayer. The hospital is not refusing them,
(35:24):
which is why you're seeing a massive number of border
of hospitals on the border going bankrupt year after year
because Medicaid payments are not as high as private sector
payments or private insurance payments. Sitting there and asking for
the full data of illegal alien birth in these hospitals
and with I'm threatened with whole Medicaid money unless those
berths are given, that could ramp up enforcement in those
(35:47):
areas because they're not going, you know, they're not going
to see the Rapids Iowa, you know, to have a baby,
they're going to the same twenty cities across the country,
and that we can crack down on birth tourism by
forcing in those areas you know, where people are having children,
where people are at nine months pregnant showing up with
(36:07):
you know, a six month long visa of TOURUS visa
to have a child. And they're not all illegally crossing
the border. Some of them are requesting to sit there
and visit the United States at eight and a half
months pregnant for several months in order to have a
baby here. Things like that that could stop them from
flying in overseas when they're nine months pregnant in order
just to have American citizen children. That's those are easy
staples that are not you know, they don't have ugly
(36:31):
views as far as like you know, pregnant one being
arrested that we don't want, we don't want videos of
that happening. So refusing visa's torust visas to women who
are nine months pregnant in these specific areas. But also
you know, it dropped that number them further.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
We're seeing and I think this is partly related frankly
to interest rates starting to come down, meaning fifteen and
thirty year mortgages in general are cheaper at the end
of the year than they were at the beginning. But
I saw a report this morning, Ryan that the average
home price came down two point five percent this year,
and there are some people saying, well, partly real estate
(37:07):
prices are going to come down. In fact, this is
one argument JD. Van's made because if we have twenty
million illegals, which is the number that Tom Homan has
said we have, if millions of those illegals leave the country,
then in theory, that would open up more.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Housing and drive down the cost of housing. Right.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Do you buy into a correlation there at all or
do you think it's more likely just connected with interest rates.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah. The last especially says we just don't build up housing.
We build at one point five million new homes per
year in the United States. But you think about it. One,
we taken about a million legal immigrants per year, and
then there's all the amount of adults who are turning
twenty one, twenty two they want to buy a house
though twenty five, whatever it is, and buy a house
or rent a house either, which one and all the
people who buy second homes and the foreigners who buy homes.
(37:54):
There's tons of Canadians who own homes in Florida, for example,
for summer homes in Arizona. So you increase, you open
the entire housing markets of the world. And plus with
the illegal and population, it's not a matter of a
supply issue, it's a demand issue. That demand for a
house in America is just through the roof, and our
own citizens always kind of fall to the back. So
given that there are fifteen to twenty million illegal aliens,
(38:17):
I know they say there's less, but it's probably closer
to it's probably fifteen million or above. Dropping that population
down by two million, which is, you know, less than
ten percent, but it's a significant percentage that absolutely opens
up the housing market and even a rental apartment. Rentals
are are declined for four consecutive months in half the country,
so you see it. You're seeing housing housing down two
(38:40):
point five percent. It's not a significant drop, but you
don't want that significant of a drop. You don't want
a massive housing recession. So two point five percent drop
in housing is great. Four months of consecutive declining in
rental's overall nationally. Is also a strong sign for eighteen
to twenty five year olds who want to rent an
apartment for the very first time in their life. All
these are good indicators that the illegal alien population and
(39:03):
the form worm population declining. That population is open up
availability towards housing and at least relieving you know, this
major crisis we have, at least temporarily on housing. We
have to start cracking down on the legal immigration system
and trying to change it. The fact that more than
half of our legal immigration is just family reunification. It's
(39:24):
because you're related to somebody you get citizenship into our
Our entry into our country is very, very outdated and
should be reformed. But the illegal alien population, which is
the low hanging fruit going after that, we're seeing signs
in housing and in birth data to say this is
this is changing, and so therefore the illegal alien population
is drying up by two to two point five million
(39:46):
this year.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
By the way, I say twenty million, and we always
get emails from people saying, oh, it's way higher. That's
the number that Tom Holman has given us. I asked
him directly, how many illegal immigrants do you think are
in the country. Tom Holman, who knows this world better
than almost anyone, says that number is twenty million.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Just FYI, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
No, I agree with him. It's probably it's twenty million.
What the official number the eleven point two which has
done like that for twenty five years. That comes from
Pew Research. They put that number at every year. So
like CBS and CNN eat it up. But it's a
complete it. It's just a Pew Research number. It's a lie.
Everybody who's really a study this knows is twenty million
or around that number. So I completely agree with Tom Holman. So, yeah,
(40:27):
ten percent is a big drop in a single solitary year.
I mean, it's a really effective enforced mechanism that Tom
Holman and the Department of Homeland Security is really initiated
throughout this year.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
How is the Trump team doing you think on the
affordability issue as it pertains to the electorate going into
the midterms next year. Affordability is the huge buzzword. Everyone
knows it. How are they handling this you think?
Speaker 4 (40:51):
I mean, look on certain things, it is becoming more affordable.
Gasoline's at a five year low. That's great. Gasoline and
energy is one of the main major, major, major drivers
a lot of different things, right, because we need gas
to transport food across the country and across the globe.
We need we need gasoline to move products, you know, everywhere.
(41:12):
What I think, what I think, there's there's a there's
there's certain things. The media is a very good job
at labeling the terraffs as the main driver. Everything that
is increasing is not terrorf related. In insurance is increasing substantially.
Everyone's insurance has gone up. That has nothing to do
with a terraff, right, There's a lot of other things
(41:32):
that are working in there. Electricity bills, partially because the
AI data centers, but not completely, but partially because of that.
That's a problem. Where they have failed the most this
administration is by passing another budget that borrows money, that
decreases the value of the dollar. It's it's it's it's
it's a tax that no one is seeing. But where
they have been effective is at reassuring some manufacturing. What
(41:53):
I have told many people in the administration people and
the Senate people on the Hill, what they need to
do is go to the Department of War and have
Pete Hagg's guest sit there and look at certain items,
certain items that is necessary in the military bias, for instance,
aspirin and anti inflammation. The military is one of the
biggest purchasers of medical supplies in the entire world. If
(42:17):
they said we're going to issue a government contract only
if those supplies were built in America or made in America,
which Titlenholl can be made in America, they would make
them in America. They need to weaponize government contracting to
build them more domestically, which would increase supply chains towards
the United States, increase job production towards the United States.
Weaponizing military weaponizing contracts to the Department of War would
(42:39):
be essential in bringing that. So I would give them
about a six. They've done certain things been very effective.
The media has lied terribly about these tariffs, which have
good things and bad things attached them, but more good
than bad. But overall a lot of these prices are
things that are kind of lingering from the Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Ryan outstanding stuff as always. Where can people find you?
In addition to the fantastic Clay and Buck podcast network.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Yeah Numbers Game podcast is on YouTube app Please like
and subscribe everywhere iHeartRadio app and Apple podcasts and everything
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Speaker 1 (43:15):
Gardusky outstanding stuff. Have a good weekend, man, and a
happy holiday season.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yes, Merry Christmas, all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Right, Buck, I was down in Birmingham. I had an
awesome time with the Monday Morning Quarterback Club. They do
fantastic work in Birmingham, raise tens of millions of dollars
for the local children's hospital there, and I donated my
speaking fee to the local children's hospital and also to
Mountain Ways, which is a Hurricane Helene relief organization that
(43:47):
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Speaker 3 (45:16):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We are closing up
shoped before we send you off for this weekend, and
I want to tell you that you know we are
gonna be there's gonna be a live Clan Buck show
all next week. It'll be US or a version there off.
Clay is gonna be solo Thursday Friday. And it's not
because I'm heading off the cabo. I'm gonna be recording
Manufacturing Delusion audio.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Book for my book.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
So please those of you who are audiobook people, you
can already you can get that. You can buy that
and it will be downloaded the day the.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Book is released.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Guest host though Clay during the holidays, yes, meaning that
there will be live Clay and Buck shows. We're gonna
have fantastic guest host Brett Winterble of WBT, John Colebilt
of k f I out that's a huge, huge station.
Brian Mudd of a w j n O or good
buddy from West Palm. David Rutherford, former Navy seal of
(46:07):
the Clay and Buck podcast network, and Tutor Dixon of Michigan,
also of the Clay and Buck podcast network. So all
all people who will do really great shows. So if
any of you are going to be tuning into the
news or just want someone to hang with it. All
over the holiday weeks, we will have some great, great people.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
See, I promise you you're not going to be he
will be together Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Then you're going to
be doing the book twenty minutes in You'll be like
I would kill to me.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I'm probably going to send you some live I'm going
to send you some live updates for how people don't
miss rad I did.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I did the Balls book read. I've done the last
three of my books. They just put you basically in
a windowless container and you sit directly in front of
a mic, and there you have to flip through and
you imagine how tough this was for me. Any word
you mispronounced, any unnecessary verbiage that comes out, or sound
(47:01):
or anything else, and you constantly, I mean, you have
to read every word. And this is probably something that
AI is eventually going to be able to do. That
will be one that I look forward to.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
We don't want AI to get too good at talking
like us. That's not good either, you know, but we
want it to be helpful with things like this.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
In fact, this is fun.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
I was with the Fox Sports crew at the Big
Ten title game this past weekend, and they now have
Colin Cowherd's one of the biggest names, Buddy of mine,
biggest names in sports talk radio. They now have AI
that is soon going to debut where you can ask
Colin Cowherd any question about sports under the sun, and
(47:42):
it automatically gives an answer his voice in a perspective
that they've done based on analyzing all of the shows
that he's done, so you can basically have him in
the pocket of your hand. And I thought to myself,
oh man, this is going to be Clay and Buck.
At some point they're going to decide because we talked
for fifteen hours a week to get us one of
these AI things. But then it's going to eventually lead into, honestly,
(48:05):
where you can't tell what's real and what's not right
because AI is getting so advanced that they can take
a voice like mine or a voice like yours and
have us saying anything under the sun. And I think
it's going to become an issue for politicians, for people
who are in public life, heck, maybe just for normal people.
I think also it's going to really get complicated for
elderly people, Buck, because I think they're going to start
(48:27):
to scam people by making you think, oh, that's my
grandson or your granddaughter.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Happen.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
It's just gonna get more and more sotisficated talkbacks. Here
AA weighing in on the wrapping paper debacle.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Play it, hey, guys, Tyson here Northern Minnesota truck driver
farmer bringing week to the mill. Anyways, for those who
need special wrapping paper, I hope their parents love them
enough to pack them chalk as a present. And also,
i'd like to hear what your guys thoughts would be
on the movie remake of Warriors in a modern money
New York City. Just thought that'd be interesting.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
Have a good one, Warriors, Mom, Donnie in New York City. Look, Mom,
don he's not the mayor yet, so we haven't seen
anything that crazy go on. I'm gonna tell you something.
I actually have not seen the movie Warriors. I've seen
the jiu jitsu movie with Tom Hardy, Warrior, which I
actually thought was good and enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Have you seen Warriors?
Speaker 5 (49:19):
No?
Speaker 1 (49:20):
I haven't because I saw that I was hoping you had.
Because I know that we're gonna get blown up probably
for not having seen this movie, so I can't even
give a good answer to his second part.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Seventies when is when the movie producer you know who's
definitely seen it? Producer Mike, Producer Mike, do you have
a take for a son Warriors or producer Greg, either
of you. It's good. Oh okay, he said, Okay, yeah,
I knew these guys had seen it, Movie Warriors. I'm
trying to think when it when it came out Movie
Warriors seventy nine. I was gonna say, right, a little
(49:51):
bit before I was born. It's a bunch of gangs,
not gangs of New York. Obviously, that's a different movie
where I honestly think that Daniel de Lewis is the
only reason to watch that movie.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
But that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Warriors come out and play is the famous line, Oh
I've not seen this one. I'm an have to check
it out.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
We will see. But yeah, there used to be.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
New York used to be the backdrop for a lot
of urban healthscates movies, largely because of not just this
the urban decay, but there's so much graffiti. The city
with graffiti was a plague, and it was when I
was in the eighties. It was terrible there's a if.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
You look at some of the situations of Paris. Paris
has been overrun by graffiti feeing.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Such a bad sign of where things stand. KK Brian
from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Let's hear him, okay, Buck.
Speaker 8 (50:42):
The difference between us nineteen eleven users and the rest
of you is we only need seven rounds because we're
that good is shot and we indeed one round per target,
not multiple rounds with those tiny little nine million years.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
We don't.
Speaker 8 (50:57):
All right, Brian, it's in the gadgets. We get it done,
We get ourselves a long rifle.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
And then we really take Look, Brian, I want to
be clear. I respect that you still use a musket
and that you're willing to take the little powder horn
and go through that whole process. But when you fire
and miss with your musket, just know that I will
be there with my staccato nine millie and I got
your back.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Oh, all the gun trash talk, you will see me
in four minutes on Fox News talking with Martha McCallum.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I believe, so I'll see you guys. I'm like Clay's handler.
I'm gonna run him out like you gotta get there,
you gotta get there. We'll see you all on Monday.
Have a great weekend, everybody. Merry Christmas.
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