December 15, 2025 • 51 mins
It's Not the Gun Laws
Australian Prime Minister calls for tougher gun laws, questioning whether limiting firearms ownership would prevent future attacks. They contrast Australia’s approach with America’s Second Amendment protections, emphasizing why armed citizens and well-trained law enforcement are vital for public safety. This segment includes a sobering look at how jihadist ideology and Islamist political movements threaten Western values globally, and why immigration policies must prioritize assimilation over cultural fragmentation.
Number One Goal of Society
A deep dive into the U.S. economy, highlighting President Donald Trump’s claims of historic tariff revenue and investment commitments totaling $18 trillion, contrasted with previous administrations. Clay and Buck discuss the national debt approaching $40 trillion, the deficit reduction of $600 billion compared to last year, and whether AI-driven growth could help America “grow its way out” of fiscal challenges. They stress that while Trump’s first year in office has been highly successful—border security improvements and crime reduction—the looming deficit remains a generational threat.
Security Lapses at Brown
The conversation then pivots to the Brown University mass shooting, where two students were killed and nine injured during an exam session. The hosts criticize Brown’s strict gun-free zone policy, arguing that banning lawful concealed carry left students defenseless. They question the effectiveness of campus security, noting the university’s nearly $100,000 annual cost for tuition and board yet an inability to prevent or respond to the attack. A former law enforcement officer calls in to explain why campus police staffing and reactive policies make universities far less safe than advertised. Clay and Buck warn that elite campuses across America may be equally vulnerable, raising urgent questions about school safety, concealed carry laws, and law enforcement readiness.
Yael Eckstein of IFCJ
Clay and Buck revisit the Bondi Beach Hanukkah terror attack in Australia, where 15 Jewish worshippers were slaughtered by jihadists. Special guest Yael Eckstein of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews joins to discuss the global surge in antisemitism, failures by governments to curb violent extremism, and the need for Christians and Jews to unite against this “global threat of darkness.” She details humanitarian efforts, including millions of meals distributed and security enhancements for Jewish institutions worldwide, emphasizing that individuals must take action rather than rely solely on politicians.
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in here to Clay and Box.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So we are talking about and sorry it's incongruous a
little bit with the or a lot the Christmas music,
but it is the Christmas season.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So this is a news show.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sometimes we're going to talk news that's very disheartening, very upsetting,
very tragic, and there's unfortunately a lot of that from
over the weekend. We've been looking at this terrorist attack
in Bandai Beach, Australia and Clay. This is a reminder
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of the threats that we face in remember Western civilization.
It's interesting Australia is on the other side of the globe,
but Australia is a part of Western civilization very much so,
and one of our sister countries.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of the Anglo sphere.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So that means that we can see what's going on there,
see what's going on in the UK, Canada, New Zealand,
and they are particularly culturally close to us and aligned
with us, and so when things go wrong there, it
means that things could also go wrong here. Rather, we
have perhaps the ability to see some of the mistakes
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and missteps that they make and then look at how
we could avoid the same situation. Our second Amendment is
something the founding fathers thought long and hard about and
included for good reason. Despite all of the nonsense you
will hear about this, despite all of the claims, I
saw some Democrat congressman saying that Trump wants more violence, actually,
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and that's why he defends the Second Amendment.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I mean, they'll say anything.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The fact of the matter is that they're gun grabbing,
just disarms the law abiding and sets us up for tyranny.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And this is why when.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The Australian Prime Minister comes forward Cut eleven, this is
the problem with statism is that the only response can
always be from the statists more state control, even when
their state controls have failed. Here's the Australian Prime Minister
saying they want to tighten gun laws.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The Government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.
Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws.
And this afternoon at four o'clock, I will put on
the Exenda of the National Cabinet tougher gun laws, including
limits on the number of guns that can be used
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or licensed by individuals, a review of licenses. Over a
period of time. People's circumstances change, people can be radicalized
over a period of time. Licenses should not be in perpetuity,
and checks of course, making sure that those checks and
balances are in place as well.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, So as a as a gun owner who, in
all honesty, I was talking to my brother, I'm about
to get a couple more guns, so I mean, and
not having nothing to do this, I just mean I
want more guns and I'm gonna get more. My brother
has I think twice the number that I have, and
that just seems like I need to catch up.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm at rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This idea that you will make people safer Clay by
saying you can only have three guns and not five.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let's just say just put that out there for.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
A second, as if one gun is not enough if
you're a bad guy who wants to hurt a lot
of people. The Virginia Tech shooter, which I believe was
the most the most fatalities from any shooting in the
US for a period of time. I'm not sure you
know the latest numbers are, but it was among the
certainly in the top three or top five. Pistols. The
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guy effectively had two pistols. The Ford Hood shooter pistols
you only need one or two if you're gonna kill
innocent people, and you can kill a lot of people.
Let me also point out a big problem here. You know,
we talked about Bondai Beach versus South Beach, Clay. If
this guy, if these two gi hots start doing something
like this around here, if they're out just as they were,
we all could see the video. It's broad daylight in
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a very prominent place with a lot of tourists, a
lot of people celebrating, just like what's outside my door
here in South Beach, Miami. If somebody does that there,
I mean, I know a number of gun owners in
my building, like we can respond and would respond in
a situation like that. Nobody could respond here. So limiting
the number of guns is moronic. And then this pretense that,
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oh if only we did reviews Clay. Really, Australia is
gonna review the Muslim guys who want guns, and they're
gonna say, I don't really like what you're saying in
the mosque these days, so I'm gonna take your gun
license away.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
They don't have the stones to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They wouldn't do it, they wouldn't catch it in the
first place, and even if they did. We've seen this
in so many countries already. Oh, I don't want to
be offensive. Diversity is our strength. Did jihadiser get guns too?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah? Look, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
If you are Australian today, you should be looking around
at everything that happened and asking yourself, how did we
get here? And I think there are multiple diff diferent
steps that were taken that led to this place, but
ultimately they all come back to Western civilization under attack
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and how has Australia benefited to a large extent from
this level of this level of change inside of their country?
And I just think we're at a time for such
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significant conversation. I hope that we're willing to have it
about the fact that we have opened our doors preying
on the innate goodness of all of these successful Western countries,
and we basically have rolled the dice that we are
importing people who want to live with traditional Western values.
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And when you see this guy raising his son to
grow up and kill old Jews, I think that is
a major point of time where people should step back
and say, wait a minute, what have we done? And
you can say, and it is true that this represents
a minority of the people that are brought into the country. Okay,
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that doesn't mean that it should still be happening at all.
And again, this whole idea that diversity is our strength,
I think it's one of the biggest lies we've all
been told. If you don't have a root relationship and
endorsement of Western civilization, then actually you're not showing up
to strengthen Western civilization any way, you're showing up to
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destroy it. And again being afraid to condemn radical Islamic
fundamental terrorism because you're worried that you might offend people
who are Muslim that are not radical terrorists. That to
me is just a further example of toxic empathy that's
being taken advantage of. I mean, in theory, buck, this
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twenty four year old should have been this is the
argument right, that he should have been accultivated and embraced
inside of Australian society such that he would never grow
up and be willing to go out and kill innocent
people because of their religious faith. Yet whatever Australia provided
as a basis to counteract this toxicity did not work.
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And so this father came to Australia, took advantage of
all of the advantages of Australian life and raised his
son to grow up and be a murderer and be
willing to give his life. And this is important. You
know it because you studied and have been involved here.
This is in their mind. This father had raised his
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son to be a hero. His son is a martyr.
This is the bravest, most extraordinary act that he could
have created for the son to engage in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And what you're talking about, Clay, also is something that
is a context that has been lost. I've seen a
lot of people on the right, unfortunately prominent voices embracing
the plight of the Palestinians as though they're this it's
specifically in Gaza, this innocent society of people that is
being beaten up on by these big bad Israelis uh.
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And that just shows an extreme ignorance of the reality
of what a Hamas ruled Gaza was like.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was a terrorist state.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They teach little kids in school, there's videos of this,
you can see they teach little kids in school they
want to go out and kill the Jews. I mean,
this is a top down societal hatred that is inculcated
in the Muslims of Gaza against the Jews and against
anybody who stands with them, and that existed before October seventh.
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That has existed for decades. Some people will say it
has existed for many centensees now, but that's a reality.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
That's what goes on.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
This is why people who have spent time either studying
or even meeting with, say Palestinians who have lost children
to jihadism by being suicide bombers, meaning that their kids
decided to be suicide bombers.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Palestinian parents celebrate this.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They celebrate this like imagine a school shooter and in
this country and you got what we'll talk about the
brown shooting in a little bit, and you were to
go and sit with that family, and the family said, yes,
this is what I raised my son to do, to
go into a school and shoot as many innocent people
as possible because he hated them and I hate them.
That is Palestinian society today in Gaza, unfortunately, or rather
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it was whatever's left of Gaza. That is the truth.
And a lot of people on the right who don't
really know a damn thing about the Middle East have
seemed to have lost this and talk about how terrible
it is that there's a genocide in Gaza. There was
no genocide in Gaza. There was also no starvation in Gaza.
Those were lies. And the viral of jihadism, which many
of us saw up close and personal in the GWAT,
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is making a comeback. It never really went away. But
you will see more of this and it's going to
raise questions Clay, exactly like what you were talking about
a moment ago. Are people who are Jiehtist compatible with
Western civilization that ideology?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
No they are not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Are Islamists people who believe in Islam as a vehicle
for politics in Western democracies, Are they compatible with Western civilization?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No they are not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So diversity is very much not our strength. When you
have people who are Muslims who think that Islamic faith
should be something that is used to govern and that
they should use the democratic process to put Islamic principles
to work. That is Islamism. And this is going to
be a big problem in Europe and it's going to
increasingly be a problem here unless we start to change
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the way we do our immigration system, whereby we take
in people who adopt our system want to be like
us the American people not want to bring their version
of something else here and then spread that.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And these are real conversations that should be had. And
if you think that what just happened at Bondai Beach
is not going to happen here, we fortunately have reports
that there was a major Muslim tarror attack that was
scheduled to happen in LA and thankfully we were able
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to keep that from happening. But I think you worked
in this world, Buck, It feels to me like absolute
certainty that something similar to what happened in Bondi will
be happening in the United States in who knows exactly
what the horizon will be, but at some point in
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unfortunately the relatively near future.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would say that generally, and we have the evidence
to prove this, are cops overall and overwhelmingly are like
the cops that showed up that day at Covington. Remember
we saw that video and they just went room to
room in that house, clearing it with their m fours,
and they eliminated the threat. That's that's most of our cops.
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That's a vast majority of our cops. So I think
that at least is different here. We still have something now.
It does bring up also the gender differences among law
enforcement officers, because there were a bunch of female cops
in Australia who were cowering behind their vehicles and they
were armed and they did nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So that's what I think. That's an important conversation too.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I would also point this out, they haven't had a
mass shooting in thirty years. How much training do they
actually do to respond touting.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
These cops couldn't These cops couldn't hit the broad side
of a bar and Clay, I can tell you that
right offhand, the ones that showed up in Australia. We
have cops in this country. I mean, you know, I
live in Miami Beach. Just to keep bringing it back
to another beach community where something of this could happen.
Our police response time here is under two minutes for
a films And I know the cops that are on
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the FOCE here, and I know some of the guys
from the squad here, and they can shoot, and if
they show up, they're going to shoot. In fact, there
was a hostage incident here about a year or two
ago where a guy took a woman hostage in a
store and put a knife to her neck. Iby Beach
police showed up, eliminated the threat, took him out with
a headshot. So that is different the UK Australia, they
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are trained to not shoot.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, even a lethal force situations.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
God forbid, you have to shoot a Muslim guy running
around with a hatchet chopping people up, You're gonna have
your career iceed for the next six years while they
try to figure out if you were right.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And I know it's tough to watch, but I encourage
you to watch that video again.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
This is open air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
This is running around at one of the most public,
famous places in all of Australia. It's South Beach in Miami.
It's Santa Monica Peer basically in La Right, a place
that if you go to those cities, you go to
that beach area because it is iconic and well known.
And these guys were allowed to run around with impunity
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for over ten minutes killing innocent people. I mean, it's
just unacceptable on every front. But the big picture question
that I think has to be addressed is Western civilization
is under attack and we are bringing people into Western
civilized countries that are not compatible with the values that
have made these countries the greatest in the history of
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the world, and we have to understand that we are
being taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think this is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Eight hundred and two A two two at A two
will continue to update you much less serious.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, actually this directly ties in.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Let me switch the read that I was going to do,
because it's perfect right now. Some are calling the Bondai
Beach terror attack Australia's October seventh. People were out celebrate
raiding the beginning of Hanuka at one of the most iconic.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Beaches in the country. Prior to the attack.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Social media videos circulated online people singing, eating, laughing, and
enjoying time with family and friends. Videos have eerie similarities
to the footage played from the Nova Festival before all
hell broke loose there and terrorists unleash their horror.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Now's the time.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
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Speaker 2 (16:26):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thank
you for being here with us. Everyone. Let's talk to
the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into
the swing of things here on the news front after
Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Talkbacks later this hour.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Keep him coming to people, don't don't let him, don't
let him stop digging just because the hole keeps getting
deeper and deeper. But let's get it, speaking of holes
getting deeper and deeper, we're going to be at forty
trillion dollars of debt before Trump's term is up.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That is, unfortunately the finance reality we face.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
However, however, it is the holiday. It's the holiday time,
and we'd like to bring you some at least somewhat
encouraging news whenever we can about the economy. Here is,
for example, National Economic Council Director, he was on Face
the Nation saying this is Kevin Hassett saying that there
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will be a six hundred billion there will be six
hundred billion dollars less in added to the deficit this year,
or rather in the deficit this year than last year.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Play five.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
We've got deficit going way way down. So right now
it's looking like the deficit for the serial B six
one hundred billion dollars lower than it was last year.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That really helps lower inflation.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We've got the trade deficit cut in half from last year,
and so all these things are things that should continue
to move us towards the FED target of two percent.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So that means that we could see continue rate cuts
that means that things are I think moving in the
right direction. It's a massive challenge the overall debt and
our cycle of overspending. But Trump is this administration is
taking action. And there's also the tariff's component of this.
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This has cut twenty two. Trump on Sunday was at
a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of
a victory lap here on what he says is the
income from I assume Clay this is tariffs as well
as commitments to invest, because the tariff number is not
eighteen trillion, but tariffs slash investment commitments in the US
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from countries like South Korea and others has cut twenty two.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Play it do that the.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
November fifth election, you would have had a president that
didn't have the courage to use tariffs the whey they
should be used. And because of the tariffs, we've taken
in more than eighteen Think of this, eighteen trillion dollars
has never been.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Anything like it.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
As an example, the previous administration, Sleepy Joe Biden, took
in less than one trillion in four years. We took
in more than eighteen trillion in ten months. I'd say
that's pretty good, right, I'd say that's very good. And
if you go back, if you go back into history,
there's never been a country that's taken in more than
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three trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Clay, what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Things to be at least feeling optimistic about with this economy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The economy is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
The deficits were screwed, and I just you and I
have talked about this a lot in the five years
that we've been on this show, nearly together. There is
no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists
when it comes to growing deficit. And I think Elon
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may have said it best Buck when he just basically
threw up at his hands and said.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We've got to grow our way out of this.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And grow our way out of this means that the
economy has to grow fast enough that we can start
to reverse the tie of these deficits. And Elon is
actually optimistic that we're going to be able to do
it with AI fingers crossed. But no one wants their
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benefits cut, No one wants to pay higher taxes. We
are in a society that is aging, and so the
idea that somehow we're going to create surplus, is going
forward and pay it back. I'm just incredibly skeptical that
the dynamics will allow that to be true.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And so.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think all of these challenges are coming together. I said,
as we went to break, so let's be positive here
as we come up on the end of the first year.
I think that two things can be true simultaneously. Trump
has had one of the most successful years of a
presidency that has existed in any of our lives. I
really do believe that I think he deserves an A rating.
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He solved everything at the border. Crime generally speaking, has
come down, but we remain in a situation where the
bigger threat for generational issues is the deficit that we
have created. And one of the challenges associated with the deficit,
buck is everybody has to be agreed to be pulling
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in the same direction. And I actually think this ties
in with some of the challenges that we are seeing
being brought to bear across the country. Shooting at Brown University.
We do not know who the shooter was. If you
watch the video, looks to be someone clad a male
basically likely clad in all black, walking away. The fact
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that they cannot catch that person is a symptom of
failure in policing in my opinion, given all the secure
that exist on Brown's campus, that this was allowed to
occur and that someone could open fire and get away
like this is a failure on all facets. What we
just saw happen in Bondai, I think is an evidence
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of the generational battle that we are fighting for the
future of Western civilization when you have people that are
accultivated in some way, have spent a generation or more
living in Australia, and yet they want to kill innocent
Jews more than they want to take advantage of the
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abundance and opportunity that Western freedoms bring to bear. Also,
I think you look at, unfortunately, the murder of Rob
Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were murdered by their son.
All of these stories are awful that happened over the weekend,
probably the three biggest stories that we've been talking about
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during the course of today's show, and they all kind
of tie into me Buck with the number one goal
of any society has to be to provide security to
the people that live there, because if there is not security,
then all of the other things can't follow. You can't
have a functional economy if people aren't safe to be
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able to live within the structure of that country. And
I think they represent all of them on different levels,
left wing failures, frankly, and I think we're going to
see these all interconnected. Still remains to be seen what
the motive is of the Brown shooter, the Brown University shooter.
We should mention I was just in Birmingham. Buck Ella Cook,
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one of the victims that was killed by this shooter
at Brown University, was the vice president of the College Republicans.
You know a little bit about this because you were
conservative and you went to an East Coast school. There's
hardly any outspoken public college Republicans in general on many
of these campuses. Ella Cook's SEMs to have been a
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unique voice for good, well liked by many people on campus,
and willing to stand up for political opinions which are
in a substantial minority. And we remain to see whether
there was any sort of connection as to why these
people were killed.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They're two dead kids.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But I do think that all of this awfulness, coming
as it does on the precipice of the holiday season,
I think you can go and look at all of
it and root it in failure to provide security for
people who live in Western civilization.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, let's look at some of the security failure there.
Brown University campus is a gun freezer. Brown is very
explicit that now some states ban any firearms on public
university campuses like state schools effectively, and then there's private
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institutions that can make their own decisions depending on the
state Brown prohibits. Brown prohibits not only any firearm carrying
by any person play. They prohibit paintball guns, slingshots, knives
with a blade longer than three inches, and any toy
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firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I read
that all out to you, because what exactly is the
point of that. Think about this for a moment. Who
is Let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh,
I want to be clear. They also ban people who
have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one
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is allowed to carry except for law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Where was law enforcement during the shooting? Not there? Were
they even able to apprehend the suspect.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, everyone on that campus was left utterly defenseless by
Brown University as a result of or in the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Moment and building on that buck how many? This is
something that I think if we had real media, they
would dive into it. You and I both spent a
lot of time on campus campuses, in speeches and schooling
and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown would have
hundreds of people that they employ in security on that campus?
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Like that doesn't seem like a crazy number to me?
Does it seem like a crazy number to you?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Probably not armed, probably mostly not armed with but aren't
but yes, okay, maybe not armed security, but the number
of security guards on that campus would be in the hundreds.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would bet that they will.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What value is an unarmed security guard when you have
running around shooting people?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
This is what I'm asking, Like, what are they actually
providing security for? If you can have someone go armed
into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people,
and they don't even stop him. I mean, this is
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if I'm a parent, if I'm a parent of a
Brown University student, I'm looking around, Sam, Wait a minute,
you charge? What does Brown cost? I bet it's eighty
or ninety thousand dollars a year when you roll in
room and board and everything else. Seventy five certainly at
least room and board intuition and everything else. The number
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one thing that you should be providing on Brown is
the same thing that I would say that we should
provide to every citizen. But if you're paying all that money,
you should have security on campus at a minimum, to
stop a guy from going shooting up a building and
walking off and getting away.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's been forty eight hours now, I mean, the security
on campus could be helpful. What would be even more
helpful is if you had somebody on Brown campus who
was concealed carrying who's a good guy, who the shooter
wouldn't know about and would have to take into account
if he's going to engage in something like this. All
the gun free zone on a college campus does is
make sure that there is no chance of a trained
(28:03):
and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself
and those around that person from a determined murderer. Because
the murderer, this should be a shock to no one
doesn't care about violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all
you're doing is preventing people who remember, you can't even
(28:24):
have it in your car, Clay, You can't even have
it in your dorm room. It cannot even be excessed,
nevermind like carrying it around with You can't even have
possession of it anywhere on Brown University's campus. How in
what universe does that make anyone safer? How could anyone
be safer as a result, that's safer from what?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, by the way, seventy two thousand dollars a year
Brown tuition, tuition and room and board now costs, according
to Google AI and our staff ninety five nine and
eighty four dollars a year. So you're talking about just
shy of one hundred thousand dollars a year intuition, room
and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually
(29:07):
no one to provide security when a true bad guy
shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even
know who the heck he is, but now we know
that he was able to go into a campus building,
kill two, hospitalize nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of
the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And to your point, we've talked about this off air.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
If you go and look a lot of times when
these guys and gals go shoot up schools, It happened
at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently.
They actually go scout the places out, confirm that there
aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness
and their their violence upon those locations. In other words,
(30:00):
they've actually done the research, and I bet this shooter
will have two buck to know where they can go.
And the fact that they are unlikely to be well
grunted by anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Unfortunately, Clay.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
In the context of schools, you know that if you
don't see security, there's no there's nobody who's going to
have a gun other than security. So this is why
concealed carry is such a useful component of the security
equation because, you know, it reminds me of my brother.
We used to go out together. We would joke around.
I mean, he has a Pomeranian, a little carrying case
(30:33):
and he had like a SIG three sixty five X
in that Pomeranian carrying case with three magazines at all times. Yeah,
and he shoots even more than he shoots all the time.
So it's like, if you're a bad guy. Now, I
understand that's just one person, but there's a lot of
that here in Florida. There's a lot of that people
at your Christmas party. Do you think had guns in
that Christmas party? Well, that's different because you can't conceal
(30:55):
carry at a bar, and we were at a bar. Okay, okay, this,
but there was if you want to know, there was
armed security there because of some of the personnel who attended.
So there were guns in that room, but only by
people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that situation.
Dave Ruben's party, I think we said we went there
not trying to put him on blast. Here, good party.
(31:17):
A bunch of people had guns. Yeah, there are people
that there are people that had firearms.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
And as a result, I frankly, I mean the world
that we live in right now, if I'm going to
be with people that have been targeted, I would rather
there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right,
And so I've said this every time a school gets
shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville,
Tennessee area. Every school in my county has an armed
(31:45):
security guard there. I think this should be standard everywhere.
The fact that brown one hundred thousand dollars a year
nearly these kids parents are paying for them to go
to school. There the fact that this could happen, it
should be we may ever get this guy. I mean,
I don't know. I mean the evidence that they seem
(32:05):
to have right now. They arrested some random guy at
a hotel who had nothing to do with it. That's
not a sign that they have very good sense for
what's going on. Buck and the tips so far have
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Santa Claus is coming to town. As long as you
don't agree with Clay that R and B is the
worst form of music. That's for crazy crazy takes flying
around like Rudolph himself here up in the sky today
on the Clay and Bucks show. You look like you
look like you're you're chomping at the bit to jump
in on this one, sir. I'm trying to give you
(34:14):
a an off ramp here.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I don't think no, I think I think I'm one
hundred percent right on this. And uh, it's there's so
much darkness out in the world today. Why would we
add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has
been created in the last twenty five or so.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Years R and B music.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So I just I refuse to play that game and
go down that dark hole of despair by making it
even darker and even more what is the plural of despair?
Even more, despairrier, and even worse. I think depressing would
work there, buddy. I think the depressing the well is
that is that an actual direct connection to despair?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Though, no, no, I was just trying to help their synonym. Yeah, okay,
Oh that's what I get for trying to help. Frank
in Kentucky he worked at law Enforce and wants to
weigh in on the news today.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
What's going on? Frank?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Hey, guys love the show, Hey listen to put in
perspective where Klay can grab it. Brown's about the same
size as Vanderbilt. They have about eighty five police officer slots.
No police department is fully compliment right now because it's
hard to want people to be the police. So they
probably had seventy five officers on hired at the time.
(35:28):
Take the administration out, because you're always going to have them,
take the detectives out. Divide it three shifts days off.
They'd be lucky if they had ten guys working that day.
And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those
are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if
they had five on the street, it would be amazing.
And then think about the fact, do you think Brown
University is actually going to have the back of any
(35:49):
cop that's doing proactive work. Heck no, So it's all reactive.
They don't, so are you?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This is all super good analysis because we were talking
for people who maybe didn't hear. This guy shoots up
the building, kills two students, wounds nine other peoples, many
of those severe wounds, and just walks out of the
campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that
(36:17):
surprise you that he could do that? I like the
way that you're analyzing this, or do you think you
mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here, I'm in
a lum I mean to give me a size. It's
not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there.
We're not talking about an Ohio State sized campus where
there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of
(36:38):
acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen
or do you think there's a lot of college campuses
where kids may think they're safe and parents may think
their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot
them up, and walk right off the campus and get
away with it. Because while you're talking about just the
Brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area
(36:58):
police that I would think should also be able to respond,
right because it's in the middle of a city, so
it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus
environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah, I worked in the city that has a university.
We were not the first call when things jumped off
on campus. So it does take a little bit of
time before your city police get involved, or your state
or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe
as they lead people to believe. Because they see the
police as an unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't
(37:38):
go out here stirring up stuff, don't be proactive because
then we have to report the crime, and we don't
want to report the crime. So if you don't go
find it, we don't have to report it, and we'll
get more students that come to our school. So it
absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as
people are led to believe.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And I mean, this is all really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think to walk through because when I was on campus,
they would always tell us, and I think you hear
it all the time, this is a very safe place.
A lot of campuses have like the big blue lights
that you hit where somebody could show up if you
feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Safeer eyed stuff like this.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
But I just never would have believed, would you, Buck,
And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
If you had told me, hey, you can walk.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Into an IVY League campus with a gun, I think
we just lost Frank and shoot up a building and
the guy can walk off campus. I would have never
believed that was possible, because that video is him just
walking off campus and we may never know who did it.
I mean, that is utterly insane to me that that
could happen. But it makes me wonder how many other
(38:46):
campuses are equally as susceptible to an attack like this
as Brown was, and what safety have we been sold,
because I think most people understand that it's almost impossible
to stop the shooting. There's a new video by the
way that Fox News is playing of the person they
say an interest in at Brown University. But I'm not
(39:09):
saying that I'm stunned that there could be a shooting
on campus. I am utterly stunned that someone could leave
a campus like a Brown University and just get away
with it. I would not have believed that was possible
that you could shoot up a place and just walk
off the off the facility.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, it depends on how many exits you.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I mean, you have to look at the specifics, the
tactical realities that you're dealing with. You would think that
the police response that I think would be fast enough
where that would be that would be hard.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
But Clay, you know, people get away with a lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I worked the Times Square bombing as part of a
pass force of hundreds of people. Just to be clear,
I was one of, you know, a cast of thousands
practically by the Time Square bombing back in twenty ten.
Faizel Shazad and I read about this in my book
Manufacturing Delusion, where I've never written about it before. You
should go get a copy of it on Amazon or
wherever fine books are sold. But I I remember that case.
(40:05):
The guy set a truck a car bomb in Times
Square on an absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday, and Clay
he got to the airport and got on the plane. Yeah,
he was heading back to Pakistan. He almost got So
people do get away when they you think, oh it's
Time Square, all the cops and everything. They're like, no,
if you get a start, you never know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
The shooter that would be assassin of Trump at the
West Palm Beach golf.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Course he got out in the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
The only reason they caught him was because a woman
in the parking lot where he had been set up
for hours jotted down his license plate number as he
was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Play the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in. Yeah, we
did not catch him. He turned himself in Yeah, so
you know this is this is the reality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
What do you do? Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
One reason, they did find the gun for the Charlie
Kirk assass and he abandoned it. According to reports on
the Utah Valley campus, there has there been any discussion
about the weapon that was used and whether it was
abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued
with that weapon afterwards. I haven't seen the specifics on
(41:25):
that particular case. Some of you may know, but I
haven't seen that reported. In the same way, we were
able to find that gun because he had to abandon it.
Now was a long rifle, so it was harder to conceal.
I think the shooting in Brown, if I'm not mistaken,
was a handgun. So the individual in question here may
(41:46):
well have just been able to put that gun inside
of inside of his outfit and continued on. But we
may never catch him. And I think that's a question
that a lot of campus security officials have to be
asking in the wake of this. Is it's one thing
to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible, I should say,
stop a shooting from happening. That's very difficult. If someone
(42:07):
is committed to it. But the idea that someone could
do it, kill two people, wound nine, and then just
leave and they wouldn't be able to stop it is
kind of crazy. It is indeed, so I wonder. I
honestly was thinking that they would have an update for
his clay during the quurse. Yeah, well, I thought they'll
(42:28):
probably get them during the show, and maybe they will
lie when we're finished. But you would think, I mean,
the era that we're in of cell phone tracking, cameras everywhere,
a lot of surveillance, it should be a lot harder
to get away with crimes now that it has been previously,
but it's still situations like this still happened far too frequently,
(42:50):
where an assailant in.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Broad daylight in a crowded place is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Able to kill a bunch of people and get away,
which which causes also a continuing risk to the public too.
It's not just the frustration of we haven't gotten this person.
Maybe they're going to go try to shoot somebody else,
and that was certainly a member of the Boston Marathon bombers.
The manhunt for them. The huge concern there was, well,
they're not done. I mean, these guys probably want to
(43:15):
go out in a you know, in a shootout of
some kind or something. So and they remember they got
away after being at the Boston Marathon. So it's a
pretty common thing for the assailants to escape. But we
don't know anything about this guy right now who did
the shooting on the Brown campus other than the only
thing that goes to motive at this point is the
(43:38):
the the vice president of the Republican Club was one
of those killed. That could be coincidental. To be clear,
it could be. It does seem that that would be
quite a coincidence, but it could be. You know, we
don't know. That's the only data point we have that
starts to go toward any kind of a motive. It
could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just guessing
and surmising at this point. Clay, Yeah, Look, we had
(44:02):
some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
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Speaker 4 (45:25):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do
not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode Island shooting. They
have now released a second video. You can barely see
anything on this video too, So in addition to the
fact that there was no response at all, I think
(45:46):
if you are spending the money that these universities are
susposed supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video
that they now have released. This is the second video.
You could still see nothing. They have eight hundred cameras
on campus. Now, maybe some of these cameras are inoperable
(46:07):
and they're more for show than they are for actual
detection of crime or danger on campus. But not only
did this guy, presumably it's a guy although we don't
even really know, go into campus and kill two people
and shoot up a building and have nine different people
that he put in the hospital, but he was able
(46:29):
to walk all the way through the campus, and they
have virtually zero footage of him at all in a
way that could remotely help someone catch this guy. I mean,
I'm watching again all in black. You can see very
little about him. It's cold and it's difficult to see.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Y'all.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Extein is with us now right before we finished the program.
We've talked to her quite a lot. And I bet
you were, like both Buck and myself, yell when you
woke up up and saw the news about the shooting
in Sydney. It's awful, but given all the anti Semitism
that had been occurring in Australia, did it surprise you,
(47:10):
unfortunately that this even happened.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
Wow? Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad
to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I
lived through October seventh, and I've lived through thirty five
thousand rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts,
and so when I see the terror attacks that are
happening around the world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising.
(47:35):
And the message that's very clear to me is that
it's not isolated to Australia or America, or Europe or Israel.
We are in this together. It is a global threat,
that of darkness that hates light. And so when I
saw it, the first thing that I thought about was
how Christians and Jews and those who sanctify life we
(47:56):
have to come together to do whatever we can to
light in the world and not just rely on the
politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, well it's buck, thank you for being with us.
If you could just speak to how has Australia been
when it comes to the handling of anti Semitism. I
just think there's a there's always a context here in
countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know,
there was there's obviously been anti semitism here in America,
specifically after the October seventh attacks and then on campuses,
(48:30):
people saw a lot of that, but there was a
huge pushback against that from Trump administration, from millions and
millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to,
is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness
or is it allowed to fester perhaps more than it should.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Well, we've seen across Australia lots of uh not just
rallies that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel
and attack on Jews, but we've seen politicians take hard
in that in Australia, they have not done a good
job at trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been
growing over the years. And that's when I realized that
(49:10):
it's us it's the silenced majority. There are I would
say three hundred million Christians around the world. You look
at the Far East, you look at Korea and China,
you look at South America, you look America, you look
in Australia and across North America. Jews and Christians today
need to stand together. And when we don't rely on
(49:30):
the government to take the right stand, we can make
such a big difference. Just since October seventh, the Fellowship
have distributed six million meals to people who needed it.
We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel, We've provided
security to Jewish institutions around the world, including in Australia
where there are threats, and we've gone into Syria to
(49:50):
provide medical conics and food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria.
And so I think we have to stop relying on
the government and we have to do whatever we can,
the little bit each one of us can to go
out and do it in order to bring comfort and
hope to each other.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Because is this the worst happy, Yeah, sorry to cut
you off. There, is this the worst that you've ever
seen when it comes to anti Semitism around the world.
Speaker 11 (50:17):
Well, it took twenty minutes for the authorities to respond,
And it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked
one of the gunmen and took the gun out of
his hand that stabbed so many more people from being killed.
But yes, we've seen it though across the world. We've
seen it in Buenos Aires, we've seen it in America.
(50:39):
We've seen it synagogues being shot up. So fifteen people
killed and that number is still going up. It's something.
There are no words to describe the pain of the
global Jewish community and all people who think of my life.
But it's going to get worse if we don't take
a stand against it, both politically and as individuals. There's
(51:01):
no more. We don't have the luxury of staying silent anymore.
Just like we put our Christmas trees on the public
square and our hanakamnours on the public square, we have
to go to the public square and say we stand
for life, we stand for freedom, we won't let this
happen under our watch. And I'm my brother's keeper.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yes, I am very well said. Yeah, we appreciate all
the work that you and the Fellowship is doing of
Christians and Jews around the world, particularly as we move
closer and closer to Christmas and Hanukkah itself is already underway.
We'll be talking more and more about this, the latest
on the Brown shooter. Hopefully we'll be able to catch
(51:40):
the person who shot up the university soon and more tomorrow.
Thanks for hanging with us on Clay and Buck
Welcome back in here to Clay and Box.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
So we are talking about and sorry it's incongruous a
little bit with the or a lot the Christmas music,
but it is the Christmas season.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
So this is a news show.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sometimes we're going to talk news that's very disheartening, very upsetting,
very tragic, and there's unfortunately a lot of that from
over the weekend. We've been looking at this terrorist attack
in Bandai Beach, Australia and Clay. This is a reminder
(00:33):
of the threats that we face in remember Western civilization.
It's interesting Australia is on the other side of the globe,
but Australia is a part of Western civilization very much so,
and one of our sister countries.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Of the Anglo sphere.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So that means that we can see what's going on there,
see what's going on in the UK, Canada, New Zealand,
and they are particularly culturally close to us and aligned
with us, and so when things go wrong there, it
means that things could also go wrong here. Rather, we
have perhaps the ability to see some of the mistakes
(01:12):
and missteps that they make and then look at how
we could avoid the same situation. Our second Amendment is
something the founding fathers thought long and hard about and
included for good reason. Despite all of the nonsense you
will hear about this, despite all of the claims, I
saw some Democrat congressman saying that Trump wants more violence, actually,
(01:35):
and that's why he defends the Second Amendment.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I mean, they'll say anything.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The fact of the matter is that they're gun grabbing,
just disarms the law abiding and sets us up for tyranny.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And this is why when.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The Australian Prime Minister comes forward Cut eleven, this is
the problem with statism is that the only response can
always be from the statists more state control, even when
their state controls have failed. Here's the Australian Prime Minister
saying they want to tighten gun laws.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Play eleven.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
The Government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.
Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws.
And this afternoon at four o'clock, I will put on
the Exenda of the National Cabinet tougher gun laws, including
limits on the number of guns that can be used
(02:27):
or licensed by individuals, a review of licenses. Over a
period of time. People's circumstances change, people can be radicalized
over a period of time. Licenses should not be in perpetuity,
and checks of course, making sure that those checks and
balances are in place as well.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, So as a as a gun owner who, in
all honesty, I was talking to my brother, I'm about
to get a couple more guns, so I mean, and
not having nothing to do this, I just mean I
want more guns and I'm gonna get more. My brother
has I think twice the number that I have, and
that just seems like I need to catch up.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm at rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
This idea that you will make people safer Clay by
saying you can only have three guns and not five.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let's just say just put that out there for.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
A second, as if one gun is not enough if
you're a bad guy who wants to hurt a lot
of people. The Virginia Tech shooter, which I believe was
the most the most fatalities from any shooting in the
US for a period of time. I'm not sure you
know the latest numbers are, but it was among the
certainly in the top three or top five. Pistols. The
(03:34):
guy effectively had two pistols. The Ford Hood shooter pistols
you only need one or two if you're gonna kill
innocent people, and you can kill a lot of people.
Let me also point out a big problem here. You know,
we talked about Bondai Beach versus South Beach, Clay. If
this guy, if these two gi hots start doing something
like this around here, if they're out just as they were,
we all could see the video. It's broad daylight in
(03:56):
a very prominent place with a lot of tourists, a
lot of people celebrating, just like what's outside my door
here in South Beach, Miami. If somebody does that there,
I mean, I know a number of gun owners in
my building, like we can respond and would respond in
a situation like that. Nobody could respond here. So limiting
the number of guns is moronic. And then this pretense that,
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oh if only we did reviews Clay. Really, Australia is
gonna review the Muslim guys who want guns, and they're
gonna say, I don't really like what you're saying in
the mosque these days, so I'm gonna take your gun
license away.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
They don't have the stones to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They wouldn't do it, they wouldn't catch it in the
first place, and even if they did. We've seen this
in so many countries already. Oh, I don't want to
be offensive. Diversity is our strength. Did jihadiser get guns too?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah? Look, I think.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
If you are Australian today, you should be looking around
at everything that happened and asking yourself, how did we
get here? And I think there are multiple diff diferent
steps that were taken that led to this place, but
ultimately they all come back to Western civilization under attack
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and how has Australia benefited to a large extent from
this level of this level of change inside of their country?
And I just think we're at a time for such
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significant conversation. I hope that we're willing to have it
about the fact that we have opened our doors preying
on the innate goodness of all of these successful Western countries,
and we basically have rolled the dice that we are
importing people who want to live with traditional Western values.
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And when you see this guy raising his son to
grow up and kill old Jews, I think that is
a major point of time where people should step back
and say, wait a minute, what have we done? And
you can say, and it is true that this represents
a minority of the people that are brought into the country. Okay,
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that doesn't mean that it should still be happening at all.
And again, this whole idea that diversity is our strength,
I think it's one of the biggest lies we've all
been told. If you don't have a root relationship and
endorsement of Western civilization, then actually you're not showing up
to strengthen Western civilization any way, you're showing up to
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destroy it. And again being afraid to condemn radical Islamic
fundamental terrorism because you're worried that you might offend people
who are Muslim that are not radical terrorists. That to
me is just a further example of toxic empathy that's
being taken advantage of. I mean, in theory, buck, this
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twenty four year old should have been this is the
argument right, that he should have been accultivated and embraced
inside of Australian society such that he would never grow
up and be willing to go out and kill innocent
people because of their religious faith. Yet whatever Australia provided
as a basis to counteract this toxicity did not work.
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And so this father came to Australia, took advantage of
all of the advantages of Australian life and raised his
son to grow up and be a murderer and be
willing to give his life. And this is important. You
know it because you studied and have been involved here.
This is in their mind. This father had raised his
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son to be a hero. His son is a martyr.
This is the bravest, most extraordinary act that he could
have created for the son to engage in.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And what you're talking about, Clay, also is something that
is a context that has been lost. I've seen a
lot of people on the right, unfortunately prominent voices embracing
the plight of the Palestinians as though they're this it's
specifically in Gaza, this innocent society of people that is
being beaten up on by these big bad Israelis uh.
(08:26):
And that just shows an extreme ignorance of the reality
of what a Hamas ruled Gaza was like.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was a terrorist state.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
They teach little kids in school, there's videos of this,
you can see they teach little kids in school they
want to go out and kill the Jews. I mean,
this is a top down societal hatred that is inculcated
in the Muslims of Gaza against the Jews and against
anybody who stands with them, and that existed before October seventh.
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That has existed for decades. Some people will say it
has existed for many centensees now, but that's a reality.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
That's what goes on.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
This is why people who have spent time either studying
or even meeting with, say Palestinians who have lost children
to jihadism by being suicide bombers, meaning that their kids
decided to be suicide bombers.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Palestinian parents celebrate this.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They celebrate this like imagine a school shooter and in
this country and you got what we'll talk about the
brown shooting in a little bit, and you were to
go and sit with that family, and the family said, yes,
this is what I raised my son to do, to
go into a school and shoot as many innocent people
as possible because he hated them and I hate them.
That is Palestinian society today in Gaza, unfortunately, or rather
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it was whatever's left of Gaza. That is the truth.
And a lot of people on the right who don't
really know a damn thing about the Middle East have
seemed to have lost this and talk about how terrible
it is that there's a genocide in Gaza. There was
no genocide in Gaza. There was also no starvation in Gaza.
Those were lies. And the viral of jihadism, which many
of us saw up close and personal in the GWAT,
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is making a comeback. It never really went away. But
you will see more of this and it's going to
raise questions Clay, exactly like what you were talking about
a moment ago. Are people who are Jiehtist compatible with
Western civilization that ideology?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
No they are not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Are Islamists people who believe in Islam as a vehicle
for politics in Western democracies, Are they compatible with Western civilization?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
No they are not.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So diversity is very much not our strength. When you
have people who are Muslims who think that Islamic faith
should be something that is used to govern and that
they should use the democratic process to put Islamic principles
to work. That is Islamism. And this is going to
be a big problem in Europe and it's going to
increasingly be a problem here unless we start to change
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the way we do our immigration system, whereby we take
in people who adopt our system want to be like
us the American people not want to bring their version
of something else here and then spread that.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And these are real conversations that should be had. And
if you think that what just happened at Bondai Beach
is not going to happen here, we fortunately have reports
that there was a major Muslim tarror attack that was
scheduled to happen in LA and thankfully we were able
(11:29):
to keep that from happening. But I think you worked
in this world, Buck, It feels to me like absolute
certainty that something similar to what happened in Bondi will
be happening in the United States in who knows exactly
what the horizon will be, but at some point in
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unfortunately the relatively near future.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I would say that generally, and we have the evidence
to prove this, are cops overall and overwhelmingly are like
the cops that showed up that day at Covington. Remember
we saw that video and they just went room to
room in that house, clearing it with their m fours,
and they eliminated the threat. That's that's most of our cops.
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That's a vast majority of our cops. So I think
that at least is different here. We still have something now.
It does bring up also the gender differences among law
enforcement officers, because there were a bunch of female cops
in Australia who were cowering behind their vehicles and they
were armed and they did nothing.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
So that's what I think. That's an important conversation too.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I would also point this out, they haven't had a
mass shooting in thirty years. How much training do they
actually do to respond touting.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
These cops couldn't These cops couldn't hit the broad side
of a bar and Clay, I can tell you that
right offhand, the ones that showed up in Australia. We
have cops in this country. I mean, you know, I
live in Miami Beach. Just to keep bringing it back
to another beach community where something of this could happen.
Our police response time here is under two minutes for
a films And I know the cops that are on
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the FOCE here, and I know some of the guys
from the squad here, and they can shoot, and if
they show up, they're going to shoot. In fact, there
was a hostage incident here about a year or two
ago where a guy took a woman hostage in a
store and put a knife to her neck. Iby Beach
police showed up, eliminated the threat, took him out with
a headshot. So that is different the UK Australia, they
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are trained to not shoot.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, even a lethal force situations.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
God forbid, you have to shoot a Muslim guy running
around with a hatchet chopping people up, You're gonna have
your career iceed for the next six years while they
try to figure out if you were right.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
And I know it's tough to watch, but I encourage
you to watch that video again.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
This is open air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
This is running around at one of the most public,
famous places in all of Australia. It's South Beach in Miami.
It's Santa Monica Peer basically in La Right, a place
that if you go to those cities, you go to
that beach area because it is iconic and well known.
And these guys were allowed to run around with impunity
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for over ten minutes killing innocent people. I mean, it's
just unacceptable on every front. But the big picture question
that I think has to be addressed is Western civilization
is under attack and we are bringing people into Western
civilized countries that are not compatible with the values that
have made these countries the greatest in the history of
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the world, and we have to understand that we are
being taken advantage of.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I think this is a big deal.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Eight hundred and two A two two at A two
will continue to update you much less serious.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, actually this directly ties in.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Let me switch the read that I was going to do,
because it's perfect right now. Some are calling the Bondai
Beach terror attack Australia's October seventh. People were out celebrate
raiding the beginning of Hanuka at one of the most iconic.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Beaches in the country. Prior to the attack.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Social media videos circulated online people singing, eating, laughing, and
enjoying time with family and friends. Videos have eerie similarities
to the footage played from the Nova Festival before all
hell broke loose there and terrorists unleash their horror.
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Speaker 2 (16:26):
Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off. Now, thank
you for being here with us. Everyone. Let's talk to
the economy for a few minutes. We'll get back into
the swing of things here on the news front after
Clay's scandalous takes on music, which we'll get to those.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Talkbacks later this hour.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Keep him coming to people, don't don't let him, don't
let him stop digging just because the hole keeps getting
deeper and deeper. But let's get it, speaking of holes
getting deeper and deeper, we're going to be at forty
trillion dollars of debt before Trump's term is up.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
That is, unfortunately the finance reality we face.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
However, however, it is the holiday. It's the holiday time,
and we'd like to bring you some at least somewhat
encouraging news whenever we can about the economy. Here is,
for example, National Economic Council Director, he was on Face
the Nation saying this is Kevin Hassett saying that there
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will be a six hundred billion there will be six
hundred billion dollars less in added to the deficit this year,
or rather in the deficit this year than last year.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Play five.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
We've got deficit going way way down. So right now
it's looking like the deficit for the serial B six
one hundred billion dollars lower than it was last year.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
That really helps lower inflation.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
We've got the trade deficit cut in half from last year,
and so all these things are things that should continue
to move us towards the FED target of two percent.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So that means that we could see continue rate cuts
that means that things are I think moving in the
right direction. It's a massive challenge the overall debt and
our cycle of overspending. But Trump is this administration is
taking action. And there's also the tariff's component of this.
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This has cut twenty two. Trump on Sunday was at
a Christmas reception and he was taking a bit of
a victory lap here on what he says is the
income from I assume Clay this is tariffs as well
as commitments to invest, because the tariff number is not
eighteen trillion, but tariffs slash investment commitments in the US
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from countries like South Korea and others has cut twenty two.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Play it do that the.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
November fifth election, you would have had a president that
didn't have the courage to use tariffs the whey they
should be used. And because of the tariffs, we've taken
in more than eighteen Think of this, eighteen trillion dollars
has never been.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Anything like it.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
As an example, the previous administration, Sleepy Joe Biden, took
in less than one trillion in four years. We took
in more than eighteen trillion in ten months. I'd say
that's pretty good, right, I'd say that's very good. And
if you go back, if you go back into history,
there's never been a country that's taken in more than
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three trillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Clay, what do you make of it?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Things to be at least feeling optimistic about with this economy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The economy is going to be really good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
The deficits were screwed, and I just you and I
have talked about this a lot in the five years
that we've been on this show, nearly together. There is
no willingness or recognition to acknowledge the threat that exists
when it comes to growing deficit. And I think Elon
(19:49):
may have said it best Buck when he just basically
threw up at his hands and said.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We've got to grow our way out of this.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
And grow our way out of this means that the
economy has to grow fast enough that we can start
to reverse the tie of these deficits. And Elon is
actually optimistic that we're going to be able to do
it with AI fingers crossed. But no one wants their
(20:19):
benefits cut, No one wants to pay higher taxes. We
are in a society that is aging, and so the
idea that somehow we're going to create surplus, is going
forward and pay it back. I'm just incredibly skeptical that
the dynamics will allow that to be true.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
And so.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I think all of these challenges are coming together. I said,
as we went to break, so let's be positive here
as we come up on the end of the first year.
I think that two things can be true simultaneously. Trump
has had one of the most successful years of a
presidency that has existed in any of our lives. I
really do believe that I think he deserves an A rating.
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He solved everything at the border. Crime generally speaking, has
come down, but we remain in a situation where the
bigger threat for generational issues is the deficit that we
have created. And one of the challenges associated with the deficit,
buck is everybody has to be agreed to be pulling
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in the same direction. And I actually think this ties
in with some of the challenges that we are seeing
being brought to bear across the country. Shooting at Brown University.
We do not know who the shooter was. If you
watch the video, looks to be someone clad a male
basically likely clad in all black, walking away. The fact
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that they cannot catch that person is a symptom of
failure in policing in my opinion, given all the secure
that exist on Brown's campus, that this was allowed to
occur and that someone could open fire and get away
like this is a failure on all facets. What we
just saw happen in Bondai, I think is an evidence
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of the generational battle that we are fighting for the
future of Western civilization when you have people that are
accultivated in some way, have spent a generation or more
living in Australia, and yet they want to kill innocent
Jews more than they want to take advantage of the
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abundance and opportunity that Western freedoms bring to bear. Also,
I think you look at, unfortunately, the murder of Rob
Reiner and his wife Michelle. They were murdered by their son.
All of these stories are awful that happened over the weekend,
probably the three biggest stories that we've been talking about
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during the course of today's show, and they all kind
of tie into me Buck with the number one goal
of any society has to be to provide security to
the people that live there, because if there is not security,
then all of the other things can't follow. You can't
have a functional economy if people aren't safe to be
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able to live within the structure of that country. And
I think they represent all of them on different levels,
left wing failures, frankly, and I think we're going to
see these all interconnected. Still remains to be seen what
the motive is of the Brown shooter, the Brown University shooter.
We should mention I was just in Birmingham. Buck Ella Cook,
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one of the victims that was killed by this shooter
at Brown University, was the vice president of the College Republicans.
You know a little bit about this because you were
conservative and you went to an East Coast school. There's
hardly any outspoken public college Republicans in general on many
of these campuses. Ella Cook's SEMs to have been a
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unique voice for good, well liked by many people on campus,
and willing to stand up for political opinions which are
in a substantial minority. And we remain to see whether
there was any sort of connection as to why these
people were killed.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They're two dead kids.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
But I do think that all of this awfulness, coming
as it does on the precipice of the holiday season,
I think you can go and look at all of
it and root it in failure to provide security for
people who live in Western civilization.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, let's look at some of the security failure there.
Brown University campus is a gun freezer. Brown is very
explicit that now some states ban any firearms on public
university campuses like state schools effectively, and then there's private
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institutions that can make their own decisions depending on the
state Brown prohibits. Brown prohibits not only any firearm carrying
by any person play. They prohibit paintball guns, slingshots, knives
with a blade longer than three inches, and any toy
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firearm that could be potentially perceived as real. I read
that all out to you, because what exactly is the
point of that. Think about this for a moment. Who
is Let's really just work through this piece by piece. Oh,
I want to be clear. They also ban people who
have a lawful concealed carry permit from carrying. No one
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is allowed to carry except for law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Where was law enforcement during the shooting? Not there? Were
they even able to apprehend the suspect.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, everyone on that campus was left utterly defenseless by
Brown University as a result of or in the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Moment and building on that buck how many? This is
something that I think if we had real media, they
would dive into it. You and I both spent a
lot of time on campus campuses, in speeches and schooling
and everything else. Wouldn't you suspect that Brown would have
hundreds of people that they employ in security on that campus?
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Like that doesn't seem like a crazy number to me?
Does it seem like a crazy number to you?
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Probably not armed, probably mostly not armed with but aren't
but yes, okay, maybe not armed security, but the number
of security guards on that campus would be in the hundreds.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would bet that they will.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
What value is an unarmed security guard when you have
running around shooting people?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
This is what I'm asking, Like, what are they actually
providing security for? If you can have someone go armed
into a campus building, kill two people, wound severely nine people,
and they don't even stop him. I mean, this is
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if I'm a parent, if I'm a parent of a
Brown University student, I'm looking around, Sam, Wait a minute,
you charge? What does Brown cost? I bet it's eighty
or ninety thousand dollars a year when you roll in
room and board and everything else. Seventy five certainly at
least room and board intuition and everything else. The number
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one thing that you should be providing on Brown is
the same thing that I would say that we should
provide to every citizen. But if you're paying all that money,
you should have security on campus at a minimum, to
stop a guy from going shooting up a building and
walking off and getting away.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's been forty eight hours now, I mean, the security
on campus could be helpful. What would be even more
helpful is if you had somebody on Brown campus who
was concealed carrying who's a good guy, who the shooter
wouldn't know about and would have to take into account
if he's going to engage in something like this. All
the gun free zone on a college campus does is
make sure that there is no chance of a trained
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and armed civilian being able to defend himself or herself
and those around that person from a determined murderer. Because
the murderer, this should be a shock to no one
doesn't care about violating Brown's policy on firearms. So all
you're doing is preventing people who remember, you can't even
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have it in your car, Clay, You can't even have
it in your dorm room. It cannot even be excessed,
nevermind like carrying it around with You can't even have
possession of it anywhere on Brown University's campus. How in
what universe does that make anyone safer? How could anyone
be safer as a result, that's safer from what?
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Yeah, by the way, seventy two thousand dollars a year
Brown tuition, tuition and room and board now costs, according
to Google AI and our staff ninety five nine and
eighty four dollars a year. So you're talking about just
shy of one hundred thousand dollars a year intuition, room
and board. And to your point, Buck, there is actually
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no one to provide security when a true bad guy
shows up. We don't know his motive, we don't even
know who the heck he is, but now we know
that he was able to go into a campus building,
kill two, hospitalize nine, no opposition whatsoever, walk out of
the building, leave campus, nobody stopping him, no issues whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And to your point, we've talked about this off air.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
If you go and look a lot of times when
these guys and gals go shoot up schools, It happened
at Covenant School in Nashville, it happened in Minneapolis recently.
They actually go scout the places out, confirm that there
aren't people to oppose them, and then enact their awfulness
and their their violence upon those locations. In other words,
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they've actually done the research, and I bet this shooter
will have two buck to know where they can go.
And the fact that they are unlikely to be well
grunted by anybody.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Unfortunately, Clay.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
In the context of schools, you know that if you
don't see security, there's no there's nobody who's going to
have a gun other than security. So this is why
concealed carry is such a useful component of the security
equation because, you know, it reminds me of my brother.
We used to go out together. We would joke around.
I mean, he has a Pomeranian, a little carrying case
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and he had like a SIG three sixty five X
in that Pomeranian carrying case with three magazines at all times. Yeah,
and he shoots even more than he shoots all the time.
So it's like, if you're a bad guy. Now, I
understand that's just one person, but there's a lot of
that here in Florida. There's a lot of that people
at your Christmas party. Do you think had guns in
that Christmas party? Well, that's different because you can't conceal
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carry at a bar, and we were at a bar. Okay, okay, this,
but there was if you want to know, there was
armed security there because of some of the personnel who attended.
So there were guns in that room, but only by
people that are specifically allowed to have guns in that situation.
Dave Ruben's party, I think we said we went there
not trying to put him on blast. Here, good party.
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A bunch of people had guns. Yeah, there are people
that there are people that had firearms.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
And as a result, I frankly, I mean the world
that we live in right now, if I'm going to
be with people that have been targeted, I would rather
there be a lot of guns around as opposed to none. Right,
And so I've said this every time a school gets
shot up. My kids in public school in the Nashville,
Tennessee area. Every school in my county has an armed
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security guard there. I think this should be standard everywhere.
The fact that brown one hundred thousand dollars a year
nearly these kids parents are paying for them to go
to school. There the fact that this could happen, it
should be we may ever get this guy. I mean,
I don't know. I mean the evidence that they seem
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to have right now. They arrested some random guy at
a hotel who had nothing to do with it. That's
not a sign that they have very good sense for
what's going on. Buck and the tips so far have
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Speaker 2 (33:53):
Santa Claus is coming to town. As long as you
don't agree with Clay that R and B is the
worst form of music. That's for crazy crazy takes flying
around like Rudolph himself here up in the sky today
on the Clay and Bucks show. You look like you
look like you're you're chomping at the bit to jump
in on this one, sir. I'm trying to give you
(34:14):
a an off ramp here.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I don't think no, I think I think I'm one
hundred percent right on this. And uh, it's there's so
much darkness out in the world today. Why would we
add more darkness by embracing the worst music that has
been created in the last twenty five or so.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Years R and B music.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So I just I refuse to play that game and
go down that dark hole of despair by making it
even darker and even more what is the plural of despair?
Even more, despairrier, and even worse. I think depressing would
work there, buddy. I think the depressing the well is
that is that an actual direct connection to despair?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Though, no, no, I was just trying to help their synonym. Yeah, okay,
Oh that's what I get for trying to help. Frank
in Kentucky he worked at law Enforce and wants to
weigh in on the news today.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
What's going on? Frank?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Hey, guys love the show, Hey listen to put in
perspective where Klay can grab it. Brown's about the same
size as Vanderbilt. They have about eighty five police officer slots.
No police department is fully compliment right now because it's
hard to want people to be the police. So they
probably had seventy five officers on hired at the time.
(35:28):
Take the administration out, because you're always going to have them,
take the detectives out. Divide it three shifts days off.
They'd be lucky if they had ten guys working that day.
And if they're like Vanderbilt, four or five of those
are going to be assigned to the hospital. So if
they had five on the street, it would be amazing.
And then think about the fact, do you think Brown
University is actually going to have the back of any
(35:49):
cop that's doing proactive work. Heck no, So it's all reactive.
They don't, so are you?
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This is all super good analysis because we were talking
for people who maybe didn't hear. This guy shoots up
the building, kills two students, wounds nine other peoples, many
of those severe wounds, and just walks out of the
campus and they don't catch him at all. Does that
(36:17):
surprise you that he could do that? I like the
way that you're analyzing this, or do you think you
mentioned Vanderbilt, which is in my backyard here, I'm in
a lum I mean to give me a size. It's
not a huge campus. We're not talking for people out there.
We're not talking about an Ohio State sized campus where
there are tens of thousands of students and hundreds of
(36:38):
acres involved. Does it surprise you that this could happen
or do you think there's a lot of college campuses
where kids may think they're safe and parents may think
their kids are safe, but somebody could walk in, shoot
them up, and walk right off the campus and get
away with it. Because while you're talking about just the
Brown cops, we also have all of the Providence area
(36:58):
police that I would think should also be able to respond,
right because it's in the middle of a city, so
it's not as if this is some rural, isolated campus
environment where there aren't resources surrounding it.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
Yeah, I worked in the city that has a university.
We were not the first call when things jumped off
on campus. So it does take a little bit of
time before your city police get involved, or your state
or wherever you're at. Universities are not near as safe
as they lead people to believe. Because they see the
police as an unwanted necessity. They tell their officers, don't
(37:38):
go out here stirring up stuff, don't be proactive because
then we have to report the crime, and we don't
want to report the crime. So if you don't go
find it, we don't have to report it, and we'll
get more students that come to our school. So it
absolutely could happen. Universities are not near as safe as
people are led to believe.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And I mean, this is all really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
I think to walk through because when I was on campus,
they would always tell us, and I think you hear
it all the time, this is a very safe place.
A lot of campuses have like the big blue lights
that you hit where somebody could show up if you
feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Safeer eyed stuff like this.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
But I just never would have believed, would you, Buck,
And I appreciate Frank from Kentucky calling in.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
If you had told me, hey, you can walk.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Into an IVY League campus with a gun, I think
we just lost Frank and shoot up a building and
the guy can walk off campus. I would have never
believed that was possible, because that video is him just
walking off campus and we may never know who did it.
I mean, that is utterly insane to me that that
could happen. But it makes me wonder how many other
(38:46):
campuses are equally as susceptible to an attack like this
as Brown was, and what safety have we been sold,
because I think most people understand that it's almost impossible
to stop the shooting. There's a new video by the
way that Fox News is playing of the person they
say an interest in at Brown University. But I'm not
(39:09):
saying that I'm stunned that there could be a shooting
on campus. I am utterly stunned that someone could leave
a campus like a Brown University and just get away
with it. I would not have believed that was possible
that you could shoot up a place and just walk
off the off the facility.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, it depends on how many exits you.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I mean, you have to look at the specifics, the
tactical realities that you're dealing with. You would think that
the police response that I think would be fast enough
where that would be that would be hard.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
But Clay, you know, people get away with a lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I worked the Times Square bombing as part of a
pass force of hundreds of people. Just to be clear,
I was one of, you know, a cast of thousands
practically by the Time Square bombing back in twenty ten.
Faizel Shazad and I read about this in my book
Manufacturing Delusion, where I've never written about it before. You
should go get a copy of it on Amazon or
wherever fine books are sold. But I I remember that case.
(40:05):
The guy set a truck a car bomb in Times
Square on an absolutely beautiful and busy Saturday, and Clay
he got to the airport and got on the plane. Yeah,
he was heading back to Pakistan. He almost got So
people do get away when they you think, oh it's
Time Square, all the cops and everything. They're like, no,
if you get a start, you never know.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
The shooter that would be assassin of Trump at the
West Palm Beach golf.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Course he got out in the Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
The only reason they caught him was because a woman
in the parking lot where he had been set up
for hours jotted down his license plate number as he
was fleeing when the Secret Service fired at him.
Speaker 9 (40:47):
Play the Charlie Kirk assassin turned himself in. Yeah, we
did not catch him. He turned himself in Yeah, so
you know this is this is the reality.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
What do you do? Sorry to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
One reason, they did find the gun for the Charlie
Kirk assass and he abandoned it. According to reports on
the Utah Valley campus, there has there been any discussion
about the weapon that was used and whether it was
abandoned on the site or if the shooter just continued
with that weapon afterwards. I haven't seen the specifics on
(41:25):
that particular case. Some of you may know, but I
haven't seen that reported. In the same way, we were
able to find that gun because he had to abandon it.
Now was a long rifle, so it was harder to conceal.
I think the shooting in Brown, if I'm not mistaken,
was a handgun. So the individual in question here may
(41:46):
well have just been able to put that gun inside
of inside of his outfit and continued on. But we
may never catch him. And I think that's a question
that a lot of campus security officials have to be
asking in the wake of this. Is it's one thing
to allow a shooting. It's almost impossible, I should say,
stop a shooting from happening. That's very difficult. If someone
(42:07):
is committed to it. But the idea that someone could
do it, kill two people, wound nine, and then just
leave and they wouldn't be able to stop it is
kind of crazy. It is indeed, so I wonder. I
honestly was thinking that they would have an update for
his clay during the quurse. Yeah, well, I thought they'll
(42:28):
probably get them during the show, and maybe they will
lie when we're finished. But you would think, I mean,
the era that we're in of cell phone tracking, cameras everywhere,
a lot of surveillance, it should be a lot harder
to get away with crimes now that it has been previously,
but it's still situations like this still happened far too frequently,
(42:50):
where an assailant in.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Broad daylight in a crowded place is.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Able to kill a bunch of people and get away,
which which causes also a continuing risk to the public too.
It's not just the frustration of we haven't gotten this person.
Maybe they're going to go try to shoot somebody else,
and that was certainly a member of the Boston Marathon bombers.
The manhunt for them. The huge concern there was, well,
they're not done. I mean, these guys probably want to
(43:15):
go out in a you know, in a shootout of
some kind or something. So and they remember they got
away after being at the Boston Marathon. So it's a
pretty common thing for the assailants to escape. But we
don't know anything about this guy right now who did
the shooting on the Brown campus other than the only
thing that goes to motive at this point is the
(43:38):
the the vice president of the Republican Club was one
of those killed. That could be coincidental. To be clear,
it could be. It does seem that that would be
quite a coincidence, but it could be. You know, we
don't know. That's the only data point we have that
starts to go toward any kind of a motive. It
could be totally a personal grudge. It's really just guessing
and surmising at this point. Clay, Yeah, Look, we had
(44:02):
some fun over the weekend. Some decent things did happen.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
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we had a grandpa throw a touchdown pass in the NFL.
Philip Rivers forty four year old grandpa came out of
retirement and threw a touchdown pass and price picks. They
actually put up this was very funny.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
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Speaker 4 (45:25):
Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're talking
about the Brown shooting and the fact that they do
not know the Brown University Providence, Rhode Island shooting. They
have now released a second video. You can barely see
anything on this video too, So in addition to the
fact that there was no response at all, I think
(45:46):
if you are spending the money that these universities are
susposed supposedly spending on security, I'm looking at this video
that they now have released. This is the second video.
You could still see nothing. They have eight hundred cameras
on campus. Now, maybe some of these cameras are inoperable
(46:07):
and they're more for show than they are for actual
detection of crime or danger on campus. But not only
did this guy, presumably it's a guy although we don't
even really know, go into campus and kill two people
and shoot up a building and have nine different people
that he put in the hospital, but he was able
(46:29):
to walk all the way through the campus, and they
have virtually zero footage of him at all in a
way that could remotely help someone catch this guy. I mean,
I'm watching again all in black. You can see very
little about him. It's cold and it's difficult to see.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Y'all.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
Extein is with us now right before we finished the program.
We've talked to her quite a lot. And I bet
you were, like both Buck and myself, yell when you
woke up up and saw the news about the shooting
in Sydney. It's awful, but given all the anti Semitism
that had been occurring in Australia, did it surprise you,
(47:10):
unfortunately that this even happened.
Speaker 11 (47:13):
Wow? Well, this world is so dark. It's so sad
to say that nothing is surprising me these days. I
lived through October seventh, and I've lived through thirty five
thousand rockets being rained down on Israel from seven different fronts,
and so when I see the terror attacks that are
happening around the world, my heart breaks. But it's not surprising.
(47:35):
And the message that's very clear to me is that
it's not isolated to Australia or America, or Europe or Israel.
We are in this together. It is a global threat,
that of darkness that hates light. And so when I
saw it, the first thing that I thought about was
how Christians and Jews and those who sanctify life we
(47:56):
have to come together to do whatever we can to
light in the world and not just rely on the
politicians to make the right decisions on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, well it's buck, thank you for being with us.
If you could just speak to how has Australia been
when it comes to the handling of anti Semitism. I
just think there's a there's always a context here in
countries where a terrible attack like this happens. You know,
there was there's obviously been anti semitism here in America,
specifically after the October seventh attacks and then on campuses,
(48:30):
people saw a lot of that, but there was a
huge pushback against that from Trump administration, from millions and
millions of Americans across the country. Can you speak to,
is Australia a place where this is taken with seriousness
or is it allowed to fester perhaps more than it should.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Well, we've seen across Australia lots of uh not just
rallies that were violent, calling for the destruction of Israel
and attack on Jews, but we've seen politicians take hard
in that in Australia, they have not done a good
job at trying to stop the anti Semitism that's been
growing over the years. And that's when I realized that
(49:10):
it's us it's the silenced majority. There are I would
say three hundred million Christians around the world. You look
at the Far East, you look at Korea and China,
you look at South America, you look America, you look
in Australia and across North America. Jews and Christians today
need to stand together. And when we don't rely on
(49:30):
the government to take the right stand, we can make
such a big difference. Just since October seventh, the Fellowship
have distributed six million meals to people who needed it.
We've placed thousands of bomb shelters in Israel, We've provided
security to Jewish institutions around the world, including in Australia
where there are threats, and we've gone into Syria to
(49:50):
provide medical conics and food boxes for persecuted Christians in Syria.
And so I think we have to stop relying on
the government and we have to do whatever we can,
the little bit each one of us can to go
out and do it in order to bring comfort and
hope to each other.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Because is this the worst happy, Yeah, sorry to cut
you off. There, is this the worst that you've ever
seen when it comes to anti Semitism around the world.
Speaker 11 (50:17):
Well, it took twenty minutes for the authorities to respond,
And it was actually a heroic Arab man who attacked
one of the gunmen and took the gun out of
his hand that stabbed so many more people from being killed.
But yes, we've seen it though across the world. We've
seen it in Buenos Aires, we've seen it in America.
(50:39):
We've seen it synagogues being shot up. So fifteen people
killed and that number is still going up. It's something.
There are no words to describe the pain of the
global Jewish community and all people who think of my life.
But it's going to get worse if we don't take
a stand against it, both politically and as individuals. There's
(51:01):
no more. We don't have the luxury of staying silent anymore.
Just like we put our Christmas trees on the public
square and our hanakamnours on the public square, we have
to go to the public square and say we stand
for life, we stand for freedom, we won't let this
happen under our watch. And I'm my brother's keeper.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Yes, I am very well said. Yeah, we appreciate all
the work that you and the Fellowship is doing of
Christians and Jews around the world, particularly as we move
closer and closer to Christmas and Hanukkah itself is already underway.
We'll be talking more and more about this, the latest
on the Brown shooter. Hopefully we'll be able to catch
(51:40):
the person who shot up the university soon and more tomorrow.
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