December 18, 2025 • 62 mins
Trump IS Fixing the Economy
Inflation has dropped to 2.7%—the lowest level since spring 2021. Core inflation sits at 2.6%, nearing the Federal Reserve’s 2% target. Clay explains why this matters for everyday Americans, connecting the dots between Biden-era spending, skyrocketing prices, and the aggressive interest rate hikes that froze the housing market. He recalls how inflation surged to 9.1% in June 2022 after trillions in stimulus spending, driving mortgage rates above 7% and locking millions of homeowners into historically low rates from 2020–2021. This “housing freeze,” Clay argues, remains one of the biggest drags on economic mobility. Clay then pivots to President Trump’s primetime address, highlighting key announcements that could reshape the economic landscape.
Culture Wars
Brianna Lyman of The Federalist delivers a powerful defense of historical literacy amid efforts to erase America’s past. The discussion centers on Virginia’s removal of a Robert E. Lee statue, the legacy of reconciliation after the Civil War, and the dangers of applying modern moral standards to historical figures. Lyman warns that the left’s obsession with tearing down monuments—from Lee to Jefferson and even Washington—aims to delegitimize America’s founding principles and pave the way for radical ideological shifts. Clay and Lyman explore how this “floor vs. ceiling” approach to history—focusing on flaws instead of achievements—threatens national unity, especially as the country prepares for its 250th anniversary in 2026.
MIT Assassination
Authorities believe they have identified the suspect in the Brown University shooting, which left two students dead and 12 injured after 40 rounds were fired on campus. While no arrest has been made, investigators are also probing a possible link between this attack and the assassination of MIT professor Nuno Loureiro, a nuclear weapons expert killed in his Boston home just days later. Clay underscores the chilling implications of these events and promises continued coverage as details emerge.
The hour also touches on tragic news from North Carolina, where NASCAR legend Greg Biffle reportedly died in a private plane crash en route to Florida, according to Daily Mail reports citing close friends. Clay then pivots to a heated media moment: Candace Owens’ explosive claims on Piers Morgan’s show, suggesting two Turning Point USA employees may have had foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk’s assassination—a theory Clay calls “loony bin crazy” and emblematic of a media ecosystem that rewards outrageous, unverified opinions. He contrasts this with a Washington Post profile of alleged assassin Tyler Robinson, detailing his radicalization, anti-Trump rage, and ties to trans activism, reinforcing what Clay sees as the clear ideological motive behind the killing.
Dealing with Holiday TDS
Psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert joins to offer strategies for surviving holiday gatherings with politically divided families. Alpert warns that “Trump Derangement Syndrome” has hardened into personality-level anger for some, fueling anxiety and family estrangement. His advice: prioritize relationships over politics, set boundaries, and redirect conversations to holiday traditions. Callers weigh in with personal stories and coping tactics, from walking away during heated debates to reaffirming shared values. Alpert also explores whether this intense polarization will persist beyond Trump’s presidency, concluding that while partisan hostility will remain, Trump’s outsider status amplified the vitriol to unprecedented levels.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck has already,
like many of your kids and grandkids, have started his
Christmas vacation. He is off and about. I will be
with you today and tomorrow solo taking you into Christmas Week,
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and there's a lot for us to dive into. A
couple of different stories that are out there that we
will be monitoring. We still have no idea who the
Brown University shooter was. They've released a few more videos.
I will continue to update you with that, but I'm
not optimistic that there is any imminent arrest that is
(00:43):
coming there, and as a result, we still don't know
a lot about whatever the decision might have been that
was made that motivated that attack.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that is out there.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The continued fallout of the awful Bondai beach shooting in
Australia continue, but we begin with some good news. Inflation
has just come in at the lowest level since the
spring of twenty twenty one, when cost of goods began
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to skyrocket under Joe Biden as he poured trillions of
dollars into the economy in the early days of what
I think it's fair to call the worst administration in
any of our lives. Inflation comes in at two point
seven percent. Again, the inflation goal for the Fed is
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two percent. We have been fighting our way back down
since I believe it was June of twenty two. Team
can correct me if I'm wrong or right on that.
I think it was June of twenty two that inflation
hit nine point one percent in this country and necessitated
a rapid rise overall in interest rates. I'm gonna actually
(01:57):
break this down for you because a big part part
of the twenty twenty six election is going to be
based on cost of goods affordability. Uh, but I want
to give you the latest information. I'll give you a
couple of different ways that that this broke down. This
was from CNBC economics reporter Steve Leisman. Here he is
(02:21):
on CNBC reacting in surprise to the numbers on inflation
coming in much lower than expected.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Cut to the.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Number of the morning the CPI, Oh, maybe coming in
a little bit better than expecting. Two point seven percent
A little light here. I'm not calling I'm just reading
the headlines here. Year over year two seven ex food
and Energy Corps six, so four chants off. That is
a very good number. Here, all right, very good number.
That is CNBC. Here is Maria Bartiromo. Side note. I
(02:55):
got to meet Maria Bartiromo for the first time. I
think it was an Earth November at a Fox event,
and I was just giddy. And Buck would tell you this,
and my wife would tell you this. I got to
meet Joe Kernan. I was a kid who liked to
watch CNBC back in the day, So Maria Bartiromo, Joe
(03:16):
Kernan for those of you who remember that era when
there was no competition. I was so excited to meet
her and she I was just giddy and the fact
that she knew me and she said, oh, I love
what you and Buck are doing. That was awesome, which
reminds me we should get her on the program. But
here is Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo as this news
(03:36):
comes out, reacting to it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Cut one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Inflation is running at maybe two point nine percent right now,
two year over year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Let me interurck you.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I'm sorry, Steve. Two point seven percent year of a
year is the number we were expecting. Two point six
percent is on core. Two point six percent is core
and two point seven percent is headline. This is better
than expected. We were expecting three percent core. We got
two point six percent CPI for the month of November,
(04:05):
we got headline number of two point seven percent, much
better than the three point one percent expected.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Markets are on the move down.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Dusters now at the highs of the morning at one
hundred and sixty five on this number.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, as we speak to you, the Dow is near
and all time high. The S and P five hundred,
it is near an all time high, and the Nasdaq
is near an all time high. And there's no other
way to spin it, says Harvard Professor of economics Ken
Rogoff here he is reacting to it as well.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Again, cut three I mean, I was surprised. It was
a better number than anyone was expecting. Look, inflation has
been very high. It's stayed high. It has not been
coming down. But you know, people were expecting it to
be above three percent. It was well below three percent.
I mean, I think the president will take this as
(04:58):
good news. The investors think that interest rates will got
cut more. So, you know, it was a positive news.
There's no other way to spend.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, we're going to get into President Trump's address last night.
But this news has come out since then, and you
might be saying, Okay, Clay, what impact does this have
on my life? Why does this matter? Let me kind
of lay it out for you a little bit. I
get that people are frustrated with what things cost, and
let me take you on a little bit of a
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journey and try to make sense of what happened and
why you are angry, many of you, including me, at
what the cost of goods actually are. When Joe Biden
came into office in January of twenty twenty one, inflation
was right around two percent. That is the Fed's stated target,
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very low inflation. That is hard to recognize in general
cost of goods two percent inflation. Almost immediately, the decision
that Biden's team on the economy was, we have to
juice the economy coming out of COVID. There is danger
in not spending enough money. We have to make sure
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that the federal government is the fire hose that is
trying to spray as much economic growth as we can create.
And remember Biden came into office and immediately passed and
spent trillions of dollars in spending increases because that was.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Their idea, Hey, we can't go too small.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We got to put as much money from the federal
government into this economy as we can. And what happened
almost immediately, overall inflation started to skyrocket because we were
giving too many people cash. We were still at that
time telling a lot of people stay home, eat Cheetos.
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The government's got your back. You don't have to worry
about income, you don't have to worry about paying for
your cost of goods. And the value of a dollar
began to plummet, and inflation skyrocketed, and by June of
twenty twenty two, everything had gone up. We were at
a nine point one percent inflation rate overnight. And I
(07:15):
know many of you felt this. You would go out
to get fast food or buy a pizza for your family,
and everything just started costing way more than it should have.
You were looking around, you were saying, how in the
world did that pizza cost this much. I have talked
about it a lot because the place that my family
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goes the most often is Chick fil A. I love
Chick fil A. My boys love Chick fil A. I've
got three growing boys suddenly going through the Chick fil
a drive through. Starting in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
everything was over fifty dollars. For my family, that fifty
dollars used to be. Hey, I can go have a
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sit down meal. I can go to Logan's row House,
I can go to Applebee's, I can go to Chili's.
I can eat an affordable sit down meal with an
actual waitress coming to take our order. And all of
you felt this. And it wasn't just cost of goods.
Because inflation skyrocketed so fast, the overall rate of the
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FED interest rates also began to skyrocket, and this is
where the cost of homes started to explode at the
same time that interest rates took off. And for those
of you out there that were fortunate enough to buy
homes in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, you got
two and a half percent mortgage rates, fifteen year, three percent,
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thirty year rates, all sorts of unbelievable mortgage rates. And
then suddenly the mortgage rates skyrocketed to over seven percent.
And a lot of you out there listening to me
right now, you're still in those homes, and you're saying.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I'm not gonna move.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I've got a two and a half percent interest rate
locked in. I've got a three percent interest rate locked in.
So the overall housing market froze because a lot of
people that otherwise might have been considering moving to another
home because interest rates skyrocketed so fast, as inflation skyrocketed
so fast, money was so cheap that suddenly we had
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to raise the cost of interest rates to try to
bring down the overall rate of inflation. And this was
effectively the story of the Biden administration. So many people
got locked in to homes, and so many people got
locked out of homes, and instead of in the spring,
typically when moms and dads out there say hey we
got a new kid, it's time to move to a
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new school district, you're saying, hey, we're not moving, we're
locking in our two and a half percent interest rate.
And maybe your kids have left school, going off to college,
maybe you're thinking about retiring. You don't need the same
size home you've already had. You're sitting around saying, why
in the world would I sell my home when I'm
going to have to take on a mortgage that's a
lot higher. Price of homes has gone up so much.
(10:08):
Everything was broken that's the world in which Trump returned
to office in January of twenty twenty five, and what
he has tried to do is focus on bringing down
interest rates and bringing down inflation and putting more money
into your pocket.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And it is working.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The challenge is, I'm not sure that it's going to
work fast enough for people to feel it in twenty
twenty six. If we were having this conversation next year,
I think the economy is going to be firing on
all cylinders. I think the thing that you care about
the most, which is more money in your pocket and
the cost of goods increasing at a lower rate than
(10:55):
your overall wage growth, is that's the number one If
you told me, hey, Clay, what is the number one
economic issue that you think matters the most, it is
you need to be making on average more money in
wage increase than the cost of the goods that you
are buying. That with that is how you feel better
about your wallet, about your pocketbook, about the money there.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Trump is trying to tell that story.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The challenge is people are angry because of how bad
Joe Biden was, and as a result, telling that story
is really challenging because you risk sounding like you don't
understand what's really going on on the ground when you
tell people things are getting better but they can't feel
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it yet. That is to me the story of twenty
twenty six. How much does the reality of things getting
better start to pierce into the expectations of people on
the ground out there? Because things are getting better. The
numbers all reflect that, But it takes a while of
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things being better for people to start to feel it
and for the anger of the unprecedented economic failures of
the Biden tenure to start to diminish. And this is
why I have made the argument. As you guys know,
I love history. Many of you lived through it. It
took a while for Ronald Reagan to actually start to
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get popular in this country. He took over for Jimmy Carter,
who was an economic disaster. Reagan it took four years
for him to catch fire and for people to recognize
that all of the supply side decisions he was making
were starting to juice the economy, and the inflation from
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Jimmy Carter and the interest rates that everybody had to
pay on their mortgages. It took a while for people
to recognize that things were starting to get better. And
some of you who lived through that, remember people were
sold on Reagan in eighty one, eighty two, eighty three,
and then lo and behold. By eighty four, the ravages
of the Carter era are fading, and Reagan can go
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out and win forty nine states. I'm not sure that
we're going to see a huge victory in twenty twenty six.
I am very confident, based on the decisions that are
being made right now, that by twenty twenty eight, everything
is going to be firing on all cylinders. And if
you question me, remember where we were before COVID hit
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In February of twenty twenty. Trump was cruising to re election.
The economy was probably at that time the strongest it
had ever been, virtually no inflation, mortgage rates were incredibly low,
borrowing cost. Everything was starting to fire on all cylinders
in Trump one point zero. And then what happened COVID,
(14:00):
and suddenly everything got shut down in March of twenty twenty,
and we bore the brunt of the disastrous decisions made
really in the early part of the Biden administration. Okay,
did I do a good enough job of making sense
of why this matters? We're going to have open phone
lines eight hundred and two two to two A two.
Did I miss something? Is there something out there that
(14:22):
you think is important to add? You can do a talkback,
You can hop on the phones and react to us.
We got a couple of great guests coming your way,
Brianna Lyman, first time ever on the show. In the
second hour. Jonathan Albert is going to be with us
in the third hour. You guys love Jonathan Albert. He
was the psychologist we had on to talk about Trump
de arrangement syndrome in advance of Thanksgiving. Advice from him
(14:44):
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show wishing you
and your family of very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year. Buck Sexton here the entire Clayan Buck Show
wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and
a joyful new year. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show, We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
(16:33):
First guest of the day joining us now. I've been
impressed at how outspoken she has been on social media
of late. You certainly are seeing her a ton all
over the airwaves, whether it's Fox News, whether it's Fox Business,
CNN as well. Brianna Lyman joins us now, and she
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also writes at The Federalist, my friend Sean Davis got
a great company that he helps to drive there. Brianna,
I've been seeing you way in a lot on this
I would say maybe echo or continuing lasting legacy associated
with this era of taking down historic statues and trying
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to condemn people based on modern day standards for decisions
that they made in the past. And in particular, you've
been tweeting a lot about the state of Virginia pulling
a Robert E. Lee statue out of the capitol, where
every state has the ability to have two different statues.
What strikes you about that decision and what does it
say about the culture of America that we are still
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dealing with these continued reverberations from the crazy era of
twenty twenty.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
Yeah, the point of these statues are you're supposed to
honor people and who you cannot tell the story of
your state without mentioning Robert E. Lee is one of
those people that you cannot tell a story about Bridgie
without talking about Roberty Lee. And he's not idolized because
he was, you know, fighting for the Confederacy, which wanted
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to preserve slavery. He's more so idolized for what he
did after the war. This man became the faith of reconciliation.
And it's very easy for people in twenty twenty five
to sit back and say he should have been executed,
He should have been exiled. This man was a trader.
But unless you're in eighteen sixty and you understand that
it is not country first, it is state first. That
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Roberty Lee literally said he doesn't believe the Confederacy had
a reason to succeed, that he thought it was a
bad idea. But he said, if my home state of
Virginia seceeds, I will not, you know, take up arms
against my home state. Right, So that's the valor that
we're talking about. And then after the war ended, he
convinced Confederates who wanted to go into the bushes and
cite gorilla warfare. They were ready to die to the
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very end, and he said, no, go home, rebuild your families.
It's okay to ask for a pardon. He did it himself.
It's okay to want to be friends with your northern
neighbors again. We need peace and reconciliation. And it wasn't
very easy to do that. Nation was holding on by
a threat, and Roberty Lee helped convince a very disgruntled
South that it's time to make peace and that deserves remembrance.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
All of that is one hundred percent tru. And this
is my Civil War history. Nerd just geeking out here.
Everything that you said is one hundred percent tru. I've
made these arguments out there. Is it one of the
biggest threats that we face in this country? A profound
lack of historical literacy such that would you just laid
out and I would add, and you and I were
(19:35):
sending messages about this. Actually, there was a huge radical
Republican group that wanted to execute as many different former
Southerners as that fought against the North as many as
they could, including Jefferson Davis everybody else, and they actually
ended up not winning that battle, and as a result
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the reconciliation of the nation, which went far better because
leaders on the north and the South side said let's
lay down arms and let's actually come back together as
a nation. Very few people know that. Why do you
think that is?
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm so happy you brought that up. So Thaddeus
Stevens was a radical Republican who kind of led that
charge to execute and exile these Confederates. But if you
go back even to eighteen sixty Lincoln's first inaugural dress,
he spoke of mystic cords of memory. What he was
trying to do is he was trying to remind both
those in the South and in the North that at
the end of the day, they were people whose ancestors
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fought together in the Revolution. They were connected by blood
and memory, and they were all still Americans at the
end of the day. And throughout the entire war, Lincoln's
entire goal was keep the Union together. He did not
want to exile or kill all of the Confederates because
he understood they are part of the Union. They just
need to kind of be coped back into it.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
It's the same reason why Grant worked to get such
generous surrender terms for Lee because they understood that if
you want a union to actually be united, you can't
have half of them, and we're talking a massive half
be executed or exiled. It didn't work that way. And again,
it's very easy for us in twenty twenty five to say, oh, well,
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they should have been executed, they should have been exiled,
but you try holding a country together. And the reason
that this story right now is so important, it's not
just Robert E. Lee, You and I said this. They
tore down statues of Jefferson. And if we are making
the standard that if you're not morally perfect, your statue
has to come down, then so does Jefferson's, so does
Washington's because they own slaves. And that's the entire point
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of this entire woke movement. We don't get to have
heroes like Washington or Jefferson because they were stained by slavery.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
It doesn't matter what else they did. And that's why
we have to make sure that we're being honest about
historical realities and about living in those times and what
those people did. Besides, you know, the moral stains of slavery.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's also important to apply it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think you mentioned Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, certainly the monuments
those have been attacked for a variety of reasons. Martin
Luther King Junior used to do an advice column. Believe
it or not, you may have read this and said
that anybody who was gay was victim of a mental
illness and that they should be basically committed, essentially, And
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that was in the nineteen fifties. Well, now that would
be considered reprehensible by many parts of the nation. Do
we tear down his statue as well? All of us,
even the ones like you and me who think we're
pretty good at things, and everybody out there listening, we're
all going to be judged as lacking by history because
no one lives up to whatever the standard is in
the future in a perfect way. You actually, and I
(22:38):
think Robert Lee is such an interesting example of this, because,
as you mentioned in Arlington, he was offered and spent
all night pacing trying to decide do I want to
take over command of the entire Union forces or do
I want to stay loyal to my state. A lot
of people don't understand this in today's day and age,
but your state used to be the equivalent of a
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country for many people, because in the eighteen sixties a
lot of people never traveled outside of their state borders
because it was so difficult comparatively to be able to travel.
And so we think of state residents now as being
something that is easy to change. And maybe your national
character matters more than the state from which you live.
But back in the day, your state was more important
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to a large extent than your country was, because most
people never left their states.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, and it's you know, part of that, you know,
Ordo Amorus, Right, you rank things in priority, and to
your point, people one didn't travel more than fifteen miles
outside of their community in most cases. And two you
have to remember that up until eighteen sixty five, I
think we're operating pretty independent of the federal government.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
It wasn't until after the Civil War that we saw
the federal government's role kind of expand. And it's been expanding,
you know, it's expanding today as we speak. So states
really did function as that country ideology right there. And
Robert Lee is someone who loved the Union, but he
loved his state war and it's hard for people today,
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you know, the same people who would go publicly bash
RFK Junior, their cousin, their brother, whoever. It is to
understand that back then people had hierarchies of priorities, and
it was God, family, state, country, and it came in
that order, and that's what Lee did. So you have
to remember Lee in the times he was in versus
the time we are and now. And you brought up
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a great point when Martin Luther King Jr. Look, this
is a man who fought for good things. He also
apparently was beating his wife, right, And at some point
there's going to be someone, a big group of people
who say wife beating is bad, which it is, and
they're going to say, well, we got to tear down MLKA.
Of course that would be ridiculous, but that's what is
going to happen with this slippery slope. And I'm pretty
aggrieved that the same people who are sitting today convincing
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us that baby should be murdered in the womb, that
we should be transing young kids are suddenly the arbiters
of what is good and what's bad, and we're going
to listen to them.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Martin Luther King also, look, was a sad, fascinated in
nineteen sixty eight on that balcony of the Lorraine Hotel
in Memphis, as many people have seen in the hotel
room when he was assassinated, was a mistress.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Martin Luther King, as Robert F. Kennedy and John F.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Kennedy and a lot of people of that era in particular,
was not an upstanding family man in the way that
many would want men to be today and in the past.
And so again, if you go and look at the
past of many of our historic figures who are heroes
and change the course of the nation, they all had
some form of sordid past or aspect of their personality
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that would be found lacking. And I just think it's
interesting where we draw the line and where we don't.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
How old are you, Brianna, I'm twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
All right, So you're twenty seven. I and Buck, if
he were here, we're both huge history people. I was
a history major. I read everything I can about history.
When you are around people you're own age, how much
historical illiteracy do you see? And second part of that,
how much of that feels almost intentional? Because if you
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can tear down the heroes of American history, what you
really allow is for everything to be wiped clean, because
when you're saying, hey, if we can point to George
Washington and Thomas Jefferson and say they own slaves, therefore
their moral legitimacy is questioned, then it starts to allow
you to question the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
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and argue that America was founded on a huge hill
of lies, and so we can just wipe clean of
everything that the country has been founded on.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That feels historically like the goal.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
Yeah, the goal is to delegitimize the work of the founders.
In my generation in particular, you know, we've been indoctrinated
in public education and even higher education to a degree
where we're ashamed of our heritage and our ancestors. And
it's not always been like that. You know, you go
back to, you know, the seventies when Roberty Lee was
given his citizenship back and full that pass. I think
(27:03):
it was like four ten to three. It was some
massive margin because everybody Republican and Democrat understood that Roberty
Lee was significant for a few reasons, and it wasn't
so polarizing. You go to what was in nineteen ninety three,
the movie Gettysburg came out. They portray Lee as an
unrepentant racist. At the end scene, he's being cheered on
(27:24):
by his soldiers as he goes to surrender.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Right.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
And so there was a consensus really up until the
past twenty years that there are some figures who have
a definitely complex path where some things were bad, and
we don't condone that. But nonetheless it doesn't take away
from the reason that we look up to them or
at least recognize their impact on America.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I want to write another book, and my last book
just came out, But I think what you're getting at
I've been kind of grappling with in my own head.
It's do we define people by their ceilings or their floors?
Speaker 10 (28:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Do and a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And I just came from a funeral of my uncle
this week, and he didn't have much of a floor.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He had a great ceiling.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But if you go and watch a eulogy, it almost
always is this is what he or she achieved.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Let's talk about the positives.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We don't marinate in the awfulness of the failures that
we have in our life. At the end of the life.
We like to define people based on their ceilings. It
seems to me that the Democrat Party in general focuses
on the floor of American history.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The things that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They want to say are the worst parts of our
historic figures. And it seems in general like Republicans tend
to focus on the ceiling. Is that metaphor out of
line or do you think there's.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Some truth to it?
Speaker 10 (28:46):
No, I think it's accurate. And let's think why does
the left focus on the worst of the worst. Because
the things that they care about, right, socialism, communism, that
it's fundamentally incompatible with small r republicanism. And if you
actually want to implement communism and socialism on a large scale,
you have to fundamentally reshape America. You have to get
rid of the Declaration, you have to get rid of
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the Bill of Rights, you have to get rid of
the institutions and what underpins those institutions, which is Christianity,
to start fresh. So they have to focus on trying
to sour the sentiment of the American people by bashing
our heroes Jefferson Washington. Those are heroes, they should be revered,
and they are going to do this. I'm actually really
(29:28):
upset that we're coming into two fifty, and I'm not
feeling as patriotic as I should be because there's so
many people that are trying to tear down the legacy
of our founders because they want to delegitimize that they
can replace.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Are you so you're talking about two fifty and I
think it is incredibly important because I wasn't around in
America two hundred. But for those of you out there
that remember nineteen seventy six, it seems like there was
a profound national spirit of optimism that came out of
that two hundredth birthday celebration. Are you optimistic that next
year we can have something so mol on America to
(30:01):
fifty or do you think the Nicole Hannah Joneses of
the world and the sixteen nineteen project have been so
successful in tearing down American history that it's impossible to
bring everybody together.
Speaker 10 (30:12):
I think the Overton window is shifting, and I'm glad
that President Trump is in office.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
I would like to.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
See some changes to be a board running the two
hundred and fifty celebrations because this is a time to
honor the founders. And I say this as someone who's
you know, I'm related too. Declaration of Independence definers. My
two sixth great grand uncles were militia men in the
battles of Lexington and Concord. My family thought this, they
lived this and honoring their legacy and everyone else's legacy.
(30:37):
It is so important to me because without their sacrifices,
you and I wouldn't be speaking today.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
H Brionna, how can people find you if they want
to see your content? And or maybe they got kids
and grandkids out there that are in your age bracket,
and maybe they're more likely to respond in a positive
way to somebody their own age than people their age.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
I'm trying to be a patriot maxing. So you could
me on Twitter at Brian Alignment two or Instagram Brianna
dot Lineman.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Awesome, Hey, we appreciate the time. Have a good Christmas
and thanks for fighting the good fight. I mean, I
saw you fighting history battles on social media, which I
almost never see anybody else doing, and I wanted to
make sure you've got a chance to talk with you.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
Thank you, Mary Christmas. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's Brianna Lyman. That's fantastic. I mean history nerding out.
I mean again, when I see somebody just defending just
twenty seven the historic legacy of Robert E.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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able to entertain you as best we can. There a
lot of different stories that we are tracking. More video
footage surrounding the Brown University shooter. It's now been six days,
I believe, as we come up on six days since
that shooting occurred. No one has been arrested. We have
(33:39):
been reacting to very positive story. If you missed it earlier,
this morning, inflation came in lower than expected two point
seven percent, the lowest level of inflation since the spring
of twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden came into office
two point six percent core inflation level. The Fed's goal
(34:00):
is two percent. If you want to nerd out on
economic related analysis. We spent a lot of the opening
of the first hour discussing how this, how interest rates
are impacted in an inflation environment, and why I am
so optimistic as we head into twenty twenty six about
(34:21):
the overall trajectory of the economy. We discussed President Trump's
address last night from the White House nine pm Eastern
that was carried President Trump right now is signing an
executive order easing restrictions on marijuana. He is now taking
questions from the press that is assembled in the Oval Office.
(34:44):
He is seated at the resolute desk. We will be
monitoring that with all of you to make sure that
we are on top of anything that he says.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Now a bit of other news. The Trump Kennedy Center
is now a thing. We'll see whether not this name
sticks when there are new administrations that potentially come in.
But the Kennedy Center has voted to rename itself the
Trump Kennedy Center, and that is becoming the new name there.
(35:16):
In the wake of the amount of interest that President
Trump has given to the Kennedy Center overall again, they
have renamed it Daily Mail reporting I mentioned that this
was a story that we were following. A private plane
crashed in North Carolina with several people on it, and
(35:43):
the Daily Mail is now reporting that NASCAR legend Greg
Biffle died in that plane crash, and they are citing
one of his best friends, saying that the fifty five
year old NASCAR legend the plane was on its way
to Sarasota, Florida. According to this report, it crashed about
(36:07):
forty five minutes from from Charlotte, and Garrett Mitchell, one
of Biffle's friends, said, Unfortunately, I can confirm Greg Biffle,
his wife Christina, and son Writer were on that plane.
They were on the way to spend the afternoon with us. Mitchell,
(36:29):
according to Daily Mail, often appears in YouTube videos with Biffle.
He wrote this on Facebook, where devastated. I'm so sorry
to share this. He also said he was not sure
who else was potentially on that plane, a Sesna C
five point fifty according to the FAA. So that is
(36:51):
a awful story out there for those of you that
are NASCAR fans. Greg Biffle, very famous and well known
race car driver in the NASCAR world, again reportedly dying,
according to one of his best friends, as reported by
The Daily Mail. Okay, let's see another story that is
(37:13):
out there that I think is getting maybe not as
much attention as it should. I was texting with producer
Ali about this last night, and the Brown University shooting
certainly killed two people. This shooting at MIT, a professor
at MIT was assassinated.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Two days later.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Unknown assailant fatally shot MIT professor Nuno Lauro and I'm
probably mispronouncing his name inside his Boston home about fifty
miles away from that other shooting. The FBI agent says
they don't think there's a connection, but other people are saying,
(37:56):
is there a connection here? And the the idea that
a MIT professor who was an expert in nuclear weaponry
would be killed like this is It's a story that
I think should get a lot of attention. He is
a theoretical physicist and fusion scientist that has specializes in
(38:22):
nuclear science, engineering, and physics, and there are a lot
of discussions about how is this forty seven year old
dad of three just getting killed MIT professor with nuclear
weapons training background. Is there something more to this again
(38:42):
that happened here recently? So all of those stories being discussed.
By the way, We're going to talk with Jonathan Albert
at the bottom of the hour about how to handle
friends and family who may have Trump derangement syndrome as
the holidays are now upon us. I also wanted to
play this for you. Piers Morgan had Candace Owens on
(39:06):
his program. We haven't spent a lot of time talking
about this, but Candace Owens has been chasing the allegations
or conspiracy. She's been arguing that somebody other than this
crazy guy killed Charlie Kirk, and Pierce Morgan pressed her
on that, and this is what that sounded like in
(39:28):
their conversation.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
Listen, there is specifically two people at Turning Point USA,
and I have communicated that information to Erica and Justine
Strife that I would not be surprised if they had
for knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinatedvident. I'm not going
to name. I am not going to name those people, okay,
because it's not right for me to name those people.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And so I know for a fact that they did.
Did you give the names to Erica? Yes, I a
truly did.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
I gave the names to Erica of two employees, current
employees at Turning Point, who you believe were.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
I told them that if if I were in your shoes,
the would these would be two employees that I would
look further into.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
What evidence do you have that they had any prior
knowledge of the murder?
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why
I'm not naming them.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Uh, this is why I give credit and I am
optimistic that when this trial takes place that we are
going to be able to hear more and see more
of what motivated this assassin. And the Washington Post had
a story that was out that I thought was significant
(40:43):
and worthy of discussing. The Washington let me read some
of this. This Tyler Robinson, this far left wing activist
who killed Charlie Kirk based on all the evidence, and
this is the Washington Post profile that they did surrounding
this alleged assassin who will be standing trial soon. A
(41:04):
few times I'm reading from the Washington Post. When he
was drunk, Robinson would joke about right wing politicians, saying
like that guy's going to catch a bullet one day.
No one took it seriously, and they would say he
would say it when he was drinking. He reacted to
Trump being shot by celebratory joke, and they said that
(41:29):
he increasingly and his roommate were angry about right wing
politicians and an anti trans sentiment in Utah. They show
the roommate asked friends whether they wanted to attend an
anti Trump protest. After the twenty twenty four election, The
roommate viewed Trump's election I'm reading from the Washington Post
(41:53):
as a loss for trans rights and was distraught more
than once. The person said he saw Robinson cradling his
sobbing roommate in his arms. This is the trans roommate.
I believe this is the man who identified as a woman.
I sometimes get crossed up on this team. I believe
(42:14):
that's true. Correct me if I'm wrong. In February, the
roommate was furious when people came over to watch a
basketball game NBA game, According to people were there, One
of the visitors said something about trans athletes and how
ridiculous it was for trans athletes to be competing, and
(42:36):
the roommate interrupted him and shouted repeatedly to shut up
about that, and all the room went quiet before play
eventually resumed.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And also.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
This person, says Robinson and the trans roommate the killer,
the alleged assassin, would complain about right wing figures in
the news, including Trump. So again, the motivation here, I
think is very clear. I also understand the desire among
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many to believe that there is something larger in play
than just one person can get a rifle and go
in the life of somebody as significant as Charlie Kirk.
And thankfully we dodged this with President Trump in Butler,
Pennsylvania on July thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But it's I think.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Beyond the pale to suggest that someone at turning Point
was involved in trying to encourage the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
I mean, that is I think, absolutely a crazy, looney
bin take. And one of the things that I think
is very challenging in modern media is there are very
(44:01):
few consequences for crazy opinions.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And actually, we've.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Created a media ecosystem that can reward crazy opinions, and
I think that's something that is going to be important
to grapple with in the years ahead. How do we
reconcile when people say things that end up not being true.
And I'm not talking about just getting predictions wrong. We
get predictions wrong on this show all the time. Those
(44:28):
of you who listened to this show for a long
time know that, for instance, I said we were going
to have a red wave in twenty twenty two, didn't materialize.
I was wrong. I came on, I said I was wrong.
You know, we got a red wave in Florida, we
got a red wave in New York. It didn't happen
in other cities and states. And then in twenty twenty
(44:49):
four we did get a red wave and it brought
President Trump in and so you could feel the building
of the red wave. I was just early in my forecast.
I think honestly that Dobbs decision muted what would have
been a red wave in twenty twenty two. That's my opinion.
I think that abortion got out a lot of Democrats
and it forestalled the red wave until twenty twenty four.
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And by the way, you can argue that if we
had gotten a red wave in twenty twenty two. Joe
Biden would have stepped down then and said I'm not
running for reelection. The Democrats would have had a full primary,
Republicans would have had a full primary, and we wouldn't
have ended up with Trump versus Kamala. We may have
ended up with I think Trump still probably would have
(45:32):
won the overall Republican nomination, but who knows who the
nominee would have been for Democrats. I don't think it
would have been Kamala. And so you get things wrong.
That's part of this business. It's hard to forecast the future.
Nobody is perfect at it. But when you say things
that are able to be proven incorrect, what is the
(45:53):
metric under which there are consequences for that? I think
it's something that in the world in which we live,
it's very hard for me to sue, for instance, because
somebody defamed me, because I'm a public figure. So if
you go on social media at any moment, people are
saying awful things about me, They're saying awful things about Buck,
They're saying awful things about many different people in public life.
(46:17):
And because the standard is so substantial for a public figure,
to be able to sue. We almost have created a
world where you can say anything about anyone and if
they are a public figure in the United States, it's
almost impossible for there to be any form of defamation
that is recoverable, and so that actually leads, I think,
(46:41):
to an incentives culture where you can say awful things
about whoever you don't like, awful, untrue things, not opinions,
right me saying I think Tim Walls is an awful,
awful governor and was an atrocious vice presidential candidate and
didn't actually appeal to men at all, and Democrats made
(47:03):
it a tremendously boneheaded decision there. That's all well intentioned.
I believe everything I just said, But if I took
the next step and said I think Tim Walls is,
you know, he's a drug dealer, that would be totally
made up. I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever to
support it. But I don't know that Tim Walls could
(47:24):
sue because he's a public figure, and the standard of
public figures is you can basically say anything about them
and there are no consequences. I think this is going
to become more and more challenging in a social media age.
It's something that I spend a lot of time thinking about.
And this is me going down into the weeds legally,
but the New York Times v. Sullivan standard when it
(47:47):
comes to free speech in the First Amendment and how
that is implicated, it doesn't really fit the modern era
in which we live. It's an outdated policy precedent from
the nineteen sixties that I don't think fits the modern
reality of media in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six.
(48:08):
Something to think about, something to put a pin in it.
I don't even know how many Supreme Court justices really
get this. Several of them have started to say, hey,
you know what, this idea of Times v. Sullivan needs
to be modified. Clarence Thomas has talked about it. I
think it's a huge deal. I think it's a substantial
story that is going to be generationally important in the
(48:31):
years ahead. But just putting a pin in it. Wanted
to play that cut and use it kind of as
a jumping off point to talk about public commentary and
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Speaker 1 (49:52):
Welcome back at Play Travis buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition
of the program and let's get to some talkbacks. A
welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We are joined
now by Jonathan Albert, psychotherapist in New York City and
DC author of the forthcoming book Therapy Nation.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
We talked with you back.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
In around Thanksgiving, Jonathan, and there was a great feedback
from the audience. So given the fact that Christmas is nearing,
we are exactly one week from Christmas Day. If I
am doing my math correctly, and I think i am,
and obviously Hanukkah is underway, what is the number one
(50:38):
piece of advice you would give anyone out there that
is going to be with friends and family who hate
President Trump. Many of the people listening to us right
now are big Trump supporters. What is the number one
piece of advice when it comes to holidays with Trump haters?
Speaker 12 (50:56):
Well, Clay, maybe get a life, but that side, you know,
I think people need to recognize that family and friends are,
or at least should be, more important than Donald Trump
or any political figure that may be in our country.
But all too often that's not the case. We have
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people who are dividing families, cutting off relatives, loved ones,
friends just because of the way that someone voted. And
as a therapist, I mean I'm seeing this endlessly since Thanksgiving.
People are coming in talking about high anxiety about seeing
their Trump loving uncle or even their progressive cousin over
(51:37):
the holiday. So it's a real problem in our society.
And what I'm seeing this year seems worse than a
year's past. And I think part of the problem is
people have become their anger has become hardened, and it's
become part of their personality. So we really need to
try to examine that and figure out how to work
(51:58):
with these people. And sometimes a simplest saying past the
gravy may work just to remind people like, we're here
for the holiday dinner, not to discuss politics.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
We've got Kathy in Birmingham, Alabama. She has a question
for you. Kathy, you're talking with Jonathan Alpert. You've got
a dad who is a major Trump hater. Ask your question,
how do you deal with it?
Speaker 4 (52:26):
He is ninety years old, and Clay he was he
sounded I thought it was my own father that called
in the Bill from Wisconsin. My father's name is Bill
and he is from the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, and Bill
from Wisconsin is exactly how my father is treating his
(52:46):
three adult children.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Thank you for the case, what should she do?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
You didn't hear earlier, but we had to call her
Bill from Wisconsin, who just hates Trump sounds like her
dad years old. Is that way too? What would you
suggest that she should do? Is it completely ignore everything
having to do with Trump? What's the best way to
get through the holidays with some semblance of sanity in
the household?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (53:15):
And I think accepting that there will be people who
hate Trump, or hate Joe Biden, or hate Kamala Harris,
but again like recognizing that no one political figure should
dominate a holiday, and maybe getting back to the importance
of the holiday and what it's all about. And maybe
there can just be a brief acknowledgment. I understand that
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we don't see I politically, but I love you. You're
my father, you're my daughter, whatever the case may be.
And let's focus on family and enjoying the holiday together.
So most of the times that will work.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
We also have another question.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I appreciate people calling in Ryan and Boston has a
question for you. Jonathan Albert on with us.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
Now gentlemen, right topic and Built from Wisconsin. You have
to realize you don't get every vote, and he's one
of the guys that go the other way. But I
noticed this little kid, people going after Reagan, and I
don't even repeat the things they said. So this goes
on politically, it seems more from the left. They do
get kind of vicious. And I always wanted to know.
(54:19):
I believe on an emotional level, and i'd ask, is
are these people stunted emotionally because people now are excluding
people from Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and they want no
part of these They don't want no part of these
individuals because they can't control their political views at dinners anymore.
You know, I could. What I could do is what
I do is I just walk away. During Thanksgiving, I
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can watch football I'm a sports fan, or even Christmas,
they have games and I could watch and just walk
away from any kind of looming to his conversation. But
a lot of people on the other side don't like
it at all. People are being excluded. And a good
example I saw as a young guy when Pappy Cannon
ran for president, Republicans got vicious calling names. So name
(55:03):
calling is permitted in politics, but tampering with the actual
agenda is not.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
John, Thank you for the call, Ryan, Jonathan. I This
is something that I think everybody is grappling with and
it's not gonna go away. And I think I asked
you this last time, but I find it super interesting.
Is Trump derangement syndrome as it exists today? And I
would say there's about twenty percent of Americans that just
(55:33):
genuinely hate Trump with every fiber of their being. Is
it gonna translate to other politicians on the Republican side
of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Let's say it's J. D.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Vance or Marco Robio or Ron DeSantis, whoever is the
next flag bearer for the Republican Party. In your experience,
does this kind of hate translate or if Trump steps
off the stage, which he will do in January of
twenty twenty nine, does it then sort of leave with him.
Speaker 12 (56:04):
Yeah, it's a great question, Clay, and I remember you
did ask that last time. I think to some degree
the hate does stick around into the next president, whoever
that may be, but maybe to a lesser extent because
Trump has just been such a polarizing figure and he
came out of the business world, and most likely we'll
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have a politician that steps up into the presidency next
time and not this outsider that Trump was, and I
think a lot of people just had trouble reconciling, like,
how can this guy, a real estate tycoon and TV
star become president? And a lot of people just cannot
be okay with that and reconcile that. So I don't
think we'll quite have that at play and that hatred.
(56:48):
But yes, to your point, I think there are always
going to be people who hate the other side. One
of the differences that I've seen is the hatred towards
the seems to be much more potent than the hatred
towards the left. Plenty of patients of mind didn't like
Biden or Harris, but it never rose to the level
(57:11):
of wanting either of those people dead. But we've certainly
seen that on the other side.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Mary in Texas has an opinion. I'm curious what you
would think of her opinion. Mary, You've got Jonathan Albert
on with us. What have you got for us?
Speaker 13 (57:27):
Well, the basic things about being with your family or
friends during the holidays. It's just very very very lovingly,
very kindly say, look, we've been together for ninety years,
you know, forty years for children, has been wife. This
isn't about what's going on in politics. This is about Christmas,
(57:49):
this is about being with family.
Speaker 8 (57:51):
Let's take responsibility as adults, as human beings to be
loving with each other, to be Christian with each other,
and the rest is going to be what it is.
You're gonna think what you're gonna think, you're gonna you're
gonna want to do what you're gonna want to do,
but let's leave it away from around us.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Thank you, Mary. Good advice, Jonathan.
Speaker 12 (58:12):
Oh, excellent advice from Mary. That's pretty much what I
tell my patients that friends and family are far more
important than politics, and they should transcend any any occupant
of the White House. Unfortunately we're not seeing that this
holiday season, but that's great advice from Mary.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Historically, we talked with Breonna Lyman from The Federalist in
the second hour of the program. I love history because
it teaches you that you're way tougher and then you
think you are, and that the country is way tougher
than many people think it is. I would imagine that
in the wake of the Civil War there were probably
a lot of family gatherings that took place, particularly in
(58:55):
border states where people fought for different sides of the country.
North and South that it took a long time to
get through. Certainly for those of you out there who
remember the nineteen sixties, I would imagine during the Vietnam
War there were a lot of contentious Thanksgivings and Christmases.
Are you optimistic that we will come through and that
(59:16):
sanity will win or are you concerned that in a
social media era it's harder for sanity to triumph going forward?
In other words, how perpetual do you think the divisions
in the country are compared to past history and looking forward?
Speaker 12 (59:33):
Yeah, and I think if people could look at history,
would probably be better off now than we are. Our
mental health would be better off. But then when you
enter into the mix social media and echo chambers that
people surround themselves in, it's really only intensifying the division
in our country. And that's part of what my forthcoming book,
(59:53):
Therapy Nation is about, Like this division, and it's actually
fueled in part by my profession. We have therapy culture
that is, you know, placing blame on everyone but their patient.
Of course, it's your boss that's the bad guy, or
your spouse, it's not your fault. So you know, we
don't have resilience being taught to patients. These days we
(01:00:15):
have quite the opposite. We have grievance culture that's taking hold.
We have fragility and that's a big part of the problem.
And again, if people could just look at our country's history,
and you make a good point that during the Civil
War and after it, families probably still got together and
loved each other.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Thank you so much for joining us, Jonathan Albert. If
people want to read more of what you are doing,
I know you've got a book coming out called Therapy Nation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Where should they find you?
Speaker 12 (01:00:49):
People can find me on on x or Twitter at
Jonathan Albert and also my website Jonathan Albert dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Outstanding stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
As always, have good holiday and we look forward to
to talking to you again.
Speaker 12 (01:01:03):
Yeah, thank you, Clay.
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Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We
appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Buck has already,
like many of your kids and grandkids, have started his
Christmas vacation. He is off and about. I will be
with you today and tomorrow solo taking you into Christmas Week,
(00:22):
and there's a lot for us to dive into. A
couple of different stories that are out there that we
will be monitoring. We still have no idea who the
Brown University shooter was. They've released a few more videos.
I will continue to update you with that, but I'm
not optimistic that there is any imminent arrest that is
(00:43):
coming there, and as a result, we still don't know
a lot about whatever the decision might have been that
was made that motivated that attack.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So that is out there.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
The continued fallout of the awful Bondai beach shooting in
Australia continue, but we begin with some good news. Inflation
has just come in at the lowest level since the
spring of twenty twenty one, when cost of goods began
(01:14):
to skyrocket under Joe Biden as he poured trillions of
dollars into the economy in the early days of what
I think it's fair to call the worst administration in
any of our lives. Inflation comes in at two point
seven percent. Again, the inflation goal for the Fed is
(01:36):
two percent. We have been fighting our way back down
since I believe it was June of twenty two. Team
can correct me if I'm wrong or right on that.
I think it was June of twenty two that inflation
hit nine point one percent in this country and necessitated
a rapid rise overall in interest rates. I'm gonna actually
(01:57):
break this down for you because a big part part
of the twenty twenty six election is going to be
based on cost of goods affordability. Uh, but I want
to give you the latest information. I'll give you a
couple of different ways that that this broke down. This
was from CNBC economics reporter Steve Leisman. Here he is
(02:21):
on CNBC reacting in surprise to the numbers on inflation
coming in much lower than expected.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Cut to the.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Number of the morning the CPI, Oh, maybe coming in
a little bit better than expecting. Two point seven percent
A little light here. I'm not calling I'm just reading
the headlines here. Year over year two seven ex food
and Energy Corps six, so four chants off. That is
a very good number. Here, all right, very good number.
That is CNBC. Here is Maria Bartiromo. Side note. I
(02:55):
got to meet Maria Bartiromo for the first time. I
think it was an Earth November at a Fox event,
and I was just giddy. And Buck would tell you this,
and my wife would tell you this. I got to
meet Joe Kernan. I was a kid who liked to
watch CNBC back in the day, So Maria Bartiromo, Joe
(03:16):
Kernan for those of you who remember that era when
there was no competition. I was so excited to meet
her and she I was just giddy and the fact
that she knew me and she said, oh, I love
what you and Buck are doing. That was awesome, which
reminds me we should get her on the program. But
here is Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo as this news
(03:36):
comes out, reacting to it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Cut one.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Inflation is running at maybe two point nine percent right now,
two year over year.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Let me interurck you.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
I'm sorry, Steve. Two point seven percent year of a
year is the number we were expecting. Two point six
percent is on core. Two point six percent is core
and two point seven percent is headline. This is better
than expected. We were expecting three percent core. We got
two point six percent CPI for the month of November,
(04:05):
we got headline number of two point seven percent, much
better than the three point one percent expected.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Markets are on the move down.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Dusters now at the highs of the morning at one
hundred and sixty five on this number.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay, as we speak to you, the Dow is near
and all time high. The S and P five hundred,
it is near an all time high, and the Nasdaq
is near an all time high. And there's no other
way to spin it, says Harvard Professor of economics Ken
Rogoff here he is reacting to it as well.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
Again, cut three I mean, I was surprised. It was
a better number than anyone was expecting. Look, inflation has
been very high. It's stayed high. It has not been
coming down. But you know, people were expecting it to
be above three percent. It was well below three percent.
I mean, I think the president will take this as
(04:58):
good news. The investors think that interest rates will got
cut more. So, you know, it was a positive news.
There's no other way to spend.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, we're going to get into President Trump's address last night.
But this news has come out since then, and you
might be saying, Okay, Clay, what impact does this have
on my life? Why does this matter? Let me kind
of lay it out for you a little bit. I
get that people are frustrated with what things cost, and
let me take you on a little bit of a
(05:27):
journey and try to make sense of what happened and
why you are angry, many of you, including me, at
what the cost of goods actually are. When Joe Biden
came into office in January of twenty twenty one, inflation
was right around two percent. That is the Fed's stated target,
(05:48):
very low inflation. That is hard to recognize in general
cost of goods two percent inflation. Almost immediately, the decision
that Biden's team on the economy was, we have to
juice the economy coming out of COVID. There is danger
in not spending enough money. We have to make sure
(06:10):
that the federal government is the fire hose that is
trying to spray as much economic growth as we can create.
And remember Biden came into office and immediately passed and
spent trillions of dollars in spending increases because that was.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Their idea, Hey, we can't go too small.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We got to put as much money from the federal
government into this economy as we can. And what happened
almost immediately, overall inflation started to skyrocket because we were
giving too many people cash. We were still at that
time telling a lot of people stay home, eat Cheetos.
(06:51):
The government's got your back. You don't have to worry
about income, you don't have to worry about paying for
your cost of goods. And the value of a dollar
began to plummet, and inflation skyrocketed, and by June of
twenty twenty two, everything had gone up. We were at
a nine point one percent inflation rate overnight. And I
(07:15):
know many of you felt this. You would go out
to get fast food or buy a pizza for your family,
and everything just started costing way more than it should have.
You were looking around, you were saying, how in the
world did that pizza cost this much. I have talked
about it a lot because the place that my family
(07:35):
goes the most often is Chick fil A. I love
Chick fil A. My boys love Chick fil A. I've
got three growing boys suddenly going through the Chick fil
a drive through. Starting in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
everything was over fifty dollars. For my family, that fifty
dollars used to be. Hey, I can go have a
(07:56):
sit down meal. I can go to Logan's row House,
I can go to Applebee's, I can go to Chili's.
I can eat an affordable sit down meal with an
actual waitress coming to take our order. And all of
you felt this. And it wasn't just cost of goods.
Because inflation skyrocketed so fast, the overall rate of the
(08:19):
FED interest rates also began to skyrocket, and this is
where the cost of homes started to explode at the
same time that interest rates took off. And for those
of you out there that were fortunate enough to buy
homes in twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, you got
two and a half percent mortgage rates, fifteen year, three percent,
(08:44):
thirty year rates, all sorts of unbelievable mortgage rates. And
then suddenly the mortgage rates skyrocketed to over seven percent.
And a lot of you out there listening to me
right now, you're still in those homes, and you're saying.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I'm not gonna move.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I've got a two and a half percent interest rate
locked in. I've got a three percent interest rate locked in.
So the overall housing market froze because a lot of
people that otherwise might have been considering moving to another
home because interest rates skyrocketed so fast, as inflation skyrocketed
so fast, money was so cheap that suddenly we had
(09:24):
to raise the cost of interest rates to try to
bring down the overall rate of inflation. And this was
effectively the story of the Biden administration. So many people
got locked in to homes, and so many people got
locked out of homes, and instead of in the spring,
typically when moms and dads out there say hey we
got a new kid, it's time to move to a
(09:45):
new school district, you're saying, hey, we're not moving, we're
locking in our two and a half percent interest rate.
And maybe your kids have left school, going off to college,
maybe you're thinking about retiring. You don't need the same
size home you've already had. You're sitting around saying, why
in the world would I sell my home when I'm
going to have to take on a mortgage that's a
lot higher. Price of homes has gone up so much.
(10:08):
Everything was broken that's the world in which Trump returned
to office in January of twenty twenty five, and what
he has tried to do is focus on bringing down
interest rates and bringing down inflation and putting more money
into your pocket.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And it is working.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The challenge is, I'm not sure that it's going to
work fast enough for people to feel it in twenty
twenty six. If we were having this conversation next year,
I think the economy is going to be firing on
all cylinders. I think the thing that you care about
the most, which is more money in your pocket and
the cost of goods increasing at a lower rate than
(10:55):
your overall wage growth, is that's the number one If
you told me, hey, Clay, what is the number one
economic issue that you think matters the most, it is
you need to be making on average more money in
wage increase than the cost of the goods that you
are buying. That with that is how you feel better
about your wallet, about your pocketbook, about the money there.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Trump is trying to tell that story.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The challenge is people are angry because of how bad
Joe Biden was, and as a result, telling that story
is really challenging because you risk sounding like you don't
understand what's really going on on the ground when you
tell people things are getting better but they can't feel
(11:42):
it yet. That is to me the story of twenty
twenty six. How much does the reality of things getting
better start to pierce into the expectations of people on
the ground out there? Because things are getting better. The
numbers all reflect that, But it takes a while of
(12:05):
things being better for people to start to feel it
and for the anger of the unprecedented economic failures of
the Biden tenure to start to diminish. And this is
why I have made the argument. As you guys know,
I love history. Many of you lived through it. It
took a while for Ronald Reagan to actually start to
(12:27):
get popular in this country. He took over for Jimmy Carter,
who was an economic disaster. Reagan it took four years
for him to catch fire and for people to recognize
that all of the supply side decisions he was making
were starting to juice the economy, and the inflation from
(12:48):
Jimmy Carter and the interest rates that everybody had to
pay on their mortgages. It took a while for people
to recognize that things were starting to get better. And
some of you who lived through that, remember people were
sold on Reagan in eighty one, eighty two, eighty three,
and then lo and behold. By eighty four, the ravages
of the Carter era are fading, and Reagan can go
(13:11):
out and win forty nine states. I'm not sure that
we're going to see a huge victory in twenty twenty six.
I am very confident, based on the decisions that are
being made right now, that by twenty twenty eight, everything
is going to be firing on all cylinders. And if
you question me, remember where we were before COVID hit
(13:36):
In February of twenty twenty. Trump was cruising to re election.
The economy was probably at that time the strongest it
had ever been, virtually no inflation, mortgage rates were incredibly low,
borrowing cost. Everything was starting to fire on all cylinders
in Trump one point zero. And then what happened COVID,
(14:00):
and suddenly everything got shut down in March of twenty twenty,
and we bore the brunt of the disastrous decisions made
really in the early part of the Biden administration. Okay,
did I do a good enough job of making sense
of why this matters? We're going to have open phone
lines eight hundred and two two to two A two.
Did I miss something? Is there something out there that
(14:22):
you think is important to add? You can do a talkback,
You can hop on the phones and react to us.
We got a couple of great guests coming your way,
Brianna Lyman, first time ever on the show. In the
second hour. Jonathan Albert is going to be with us
in the third hour. You guys love Jonathan Albert. He
was the psychologist we had on to talk about Trump
de arrangement syndrome in advance of Thanksgiving. Advice from him
(14:44):
on how to handle your family members that may hate
Donald Trump as we come into the Christmas season. But
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show wishing you
and your family of very merry Christmas and a happy
New Year. Buck Sexton here the entire Clayan Buck Show
wish you and your family a warm Christmas season and
a joyful new year. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck
Sexton Show, We appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
(16:33):
First guest of the day joining us now. I've been
impressed at how outspoken she has been on social media
of late. You certainly are seeing her a ton all
over the airwaves, whether it's Fox News, whether it's Fox Business,
CNN as well. Brianna Lyman joins us now, and she
(16:55):
also writes at The Federalist, my friend Sean Davis got
a great company that he helps to drive there. Brianna,
I've been seeing you way in a lot on this
I would say maybe echo or continuing lasting legacy associated
with this era of taking down historic statues and trying
(17:16):
to condemn people based on modern day standards for decisions
that they made in the past. And in particular, you've
been tweeting a lot about the state of Virginia pulling
a Robert E. Lee statue out of the capitol, where
every state has the ability to have two different statues.
What strikes you about that decision and what does it
say about the culture of America that we are still
(17:39):
dealing with these continued reverberations from the crazy era of
twenty twenty.
Speaker 10 (17:46):
Yeah, the point of these statues are you're supposed to
honor people and who you cannot tell the story of
your state without mentioning Robert E. Lee is one of
those people that you cannot tell a story about Bridgie
without talking about Roberty Lee. And he's not idolized because
he was, you know, fighting for the Confederacy, which wanted
(18:07):
to preserve slavery. He's more so idolized for what he
did after the war. This man became the faith of reconciliation.
And it's very easy for people in twenty twenty five
to sit back and say he should have been executed,
He should have been exiled. This man was a trader.
But unless you're in eighteen sixty and you understand that
it is not country first, it is state first. That
(18:29):
Roberty Lee literally said he doesn't believe the Confederacy had
a reason to succeed, that he thought it was a
bad idea. But he said, if my home state of
Virginia seceeds, I will not, you know, take up arms
against my home state. Right, So that's the valor that
we're talking about. And then after the war ended, he
convinced Confederates who wanted to go into the bushes and
cite gorilla warfare. They were ready to die to the
(18:52):
very end, and he said, no, go home, rebuild your families.
It's okay to ask for a pardon. He did it himself.
It's okay to want to be friends with your northern
neighbors again. We need peace and reconciliation. And it wasn't
very easy to do that. Nation was holding on by
a threat, and Roberty Lee helped convince a very disgruntled
South that it's time to make peace and that deserves remembrance.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
All of that is one hundred percent tru. And this
is my Civil War history. Nerd just geeking out here.
Everything that you said is one hundred percent tru. I've
made these arguments out there. Is it one of the
biggest threats that we face in this country? A profound
lack of historical literacy such that would you just laid
out and I would add, and you and I were
(19:35):
sending messages about this. Actually, there was a huge radical
Republican group that wanted to execute as many different former
Southerners as that fought against the North as many as
they could, including Jefferson Davis everybody else, and they actually
ended up not winning that battle, and as a result
(19:56):
the reconciliation of the nation, which went far better because
leaders on the north and the South side said let's
lay down arms and let's actually come back together as
a nation. Very few people know that. Why do you
think that is?
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Yeah, I'm so happy you brought that up. So Thaddeus
Stevens was a radical Republican who kind of led that
charge to execute and exile these Confederates. But if you
go back even to eighteen sixty Lincoln's first inaugural dress,
he spoke of mystic cords of memory. What he was
trying to do is he was trying to remind both
those in the South and in the North that at
the end of the day, they were people whose ancestors
(20:32):
fought together in the Revolution. They were connected by blood
and memory, and they were all still Americans at the
end of the day. And throughout the entire war, Lincoln's
entire goal was keep the Union together. He did not
want to exile or kill all of the Confederates because
he understood they are part of the Union. They just
need to kind of be coped back into it.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Right.
Speaker 10 (20:51):
It's the same reason why Grant worked to get such
generous surrender terms for Lee because they understood that if
you want a union to actually be united, you can't
have half of them, and we're talking a massive half
be executed or exiled. It didn't work that way. And again,
it's very easy for us in twenty twenty five to say, oh, well,
(21:11):
they should have been executed, they should have been exiled,
but you try holding a country together. And the reason
that this story right now is so important, it's not
just Robert E. Lee, You and I said this. They
tore down statues of Jefferson. And if we are making
the standard that if you're not morally perfect, your statue
has to come down, then so does Jefferson's, so does
Washington's because they own slaves. And that's the entire point
(21:33):
of this entire woke movement. We don't get to have
heroes like Washington or Jefferson because they were stained by slavery.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (21:41):
It doesn't matter what else they did. And that's why
we have to make sure that we're being honest about
historical realities and about living in those times and what
those people did. Besides, you know, the moral stains of slavery.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's also important to apply it.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I think you mentioned Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, certainly the monuments
those have been attacked for a variety of reasons. Martin
Luther King Junior used to do an advice column. Believe
it or not, you may have read this and said
that anybody who was gay was victim of a mental
illness and that they should be basically committed, essentially, And
(22:16):
that was in the nineteen fifties. Well, now that would
be considered reprehensible by many parts of the nation. Do
we tear down his statue as well? All of us,
even the ones like you and me who think we're
pretty good at things, and everybody out there listening, we're
all going to be judged as lacking by history because
no one lives up to whatever the standard is in
the future in a perfect way. You actually, and I
(22:38):
think Robert Lee is such an interesting example of this, because,
as you mentioned in Arlington, he was offered and spent
all night pacing trying to decide do I want to
take over command of the entire Union forces or do
I want to stay loyal to my state. A lot
of people don't understand this in today's day and age,
but your state used to be the equivalent of a
(23:01):
country for many people, because in the eighteen sixties a
lot of people never traveled outside of their state borders
because it was so difficult comparatively to be able to travel.
And so we think of state residents now as being
something that is easy to change. And maybe your national
character matters more than the state from which you live.
But back in the day, your state was more important
(23:23):
to a large extent than your country was, because most
people never left their states.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, and it's you know, part of that, you know,
Ordo Amorus, Right, you rank things in priority, and to
your point, people one didn't travel more than fifteen miles
outside of their community in most cases. And two you
have to remember that up until eighteen sixty five, I
think we're operating pretty independent of the federal government.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Right.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
It wasn't until after the Civil War that we saw
the federal government's role kind of expand. And it's been expanding,
you know, it's expanding today as we speak. So states
really did function as that country ideology right there. And
Robert Lee is someone who loved the Union, but he
loved his state war and it's hard for people today,
(24:06):
you know, the same people who would go publicly bash
RFK Junior, their cousin, their brother, whoever. It is to
understand that back then people had hierarchies of priorities, and
it was God, family, state, country, and it came in
that order, and that's what Lee did. So you have
to remember Lee in the times he was in versus
the time we are and now. And you brought up
(24:26):
a great point when Martin Luther King Jr. Look, this
is a man who fought for good things. He also
apparently was beating his wife, right, And at some point
there's going to be someone, a big group of people
who say wife beating is bad, which it is, and
they're going to say, well, we got to tear down MLKA.
Of course that would be ridiculous, but that's what is
going to happen with this slippery slope. And I'm pretty
aggrieved that the same people who are sitting today convincing
(24:48):
us that baby should be murdered in the womb, that
we should be transing young kids are suddenly the arbiters
of what is good and what's bad, and we're going
to listen to them.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Martin Luther King also, look, was a sad, fascinated in
nineteen sixty eight on that balcony of the Lorraine Hotel
in Memphis, as many people have seen in the hotel
room when he was assassinated, was a mistress.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Martin Luther King, as Robert F. Kennedy and John F.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Kennedy and a lot of people of that era in particular,
was not an upstanding family man in the way that
many would want men to be today and in the past.
And so again, if you go and look at the
past of many of our historic figures who are heroes
and change the course of the nation, they all had
some form of sordid past or aspect of their personality
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that would be found lacking. And I just think it's
interesting where we draw the line and where we don't.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
How old are you, Brianna, I'm twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
All right, So you're twenty seven. I and Buck, if
he were here, we're both huge history people. I was
a history major. I read everything I can about history.
When you are around people you're own age, how much
historical illiteracy do you see? And second part of that,
how much of that feels almost intentional? Because if you
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can tear down the heroes of American history, what you
really allow is for everything to be wiped clean, because
when you're saying, hey, if we can point to George
Washington and Thomas Jefferson and say they own slaves, therefore
their moral legitimacy is questioned, then it starts to allow
you to question the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
(26:29):
and argue that America was founded on a huge hill
of lies, and so we can just wipe clean of
everything that the country has been founded on.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That feels historically like the goal.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
Yeah, the goal is to delegitimize the work of the founders.
In my generation in particular, you know, we've been indoctrinated
in public education and even higher education to a degree
where we're ashamed of our heritage and our ancestors. And
it's not always been like that. You know, you go
back to, you know, the seventies when Roberty Lee was
given his citizenship back and full that pass. I think
(27:03):
it was like four ten to three. It was some
massive margin because everybody Republican and Democrat understood that Roberty
Lee was significant for a few reasons, and it wasn't
so polarizing. You go to what was in nineteen ninety three,
the movie Gettysburg came out. They portray Lee as an
unrepentant racist. At the end scene, he's being cheered on
(27:24):
by his soldiers as he goes to surrender.
Speaker 8 (27:27):
Right.
Speaker 10 (27:28):
And so there was a consensus really up until the
past twenty years that there are some figures who have
a definitely complex path where some things were bad, and
we don't condone that. But nonetheless it doesn't take away
from the reason that we look up to them or
at least recognize their impact on America.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I want to write another book, and my last book
just came out, But I think what you're getting at
I've been kind of grappling with in my own head.
It's do we define people by their ceilings or their floors?
Speaker 10 (28:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Do and a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
And I just came from a funeral of my uncle
this week, and he didn't have much of a floor.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
He had a great ceiling.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But if you go and watch a eulogy, it almost
always is this is what he or she achieved.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Let's talk about the positives.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
We don't marinate in the awfulness of the failures that
we have in our life. At the end of the life.
We like to define people based on their ceilings. It
seems to me that the Democrat Party in general focuses
on the floor of American history.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
The things that.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
They want to say are the worst parts of our
historic figures. And it seems in general like Republicans tend
to focus on the ceiling. Is that metaphor out of
line or do you think there's.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Some truth to it?
Speaker 10 (28:46):
No, I think it's accurate. And let's think why does
the left focus on the worst of the worst. Because
the things that they care about, right, socialism, communism, that
it's fundamentally incompatible with small r republicanism. And if you
actually want to implement communism and socialism on a large scale,
you have to fundamentally reshape America. You have to get
rid of the Declaration, you have to get rid of
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the Bill of Rights, you have to get rid of
the institutions and what underpins those institutions, which is Christianity,
to start fresh. So they have to focus on trying
to sour the sentiment of the American people by bashing
our heroes Jefferson Washington. Those are heroes, they should be revered,
and they are going to do this. I'm actually really
(29:28):
upset that we're coming into two fifty, and I'm not
feeling as patriotic as I should be because there's so
many people that are trying to tear down the legacy
of our founders because they want to delegitimize that they
can replace.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Are you so you're talking about two fifty and I
think it is incredibly important because I wasn't around in
America two hundred. But for those of you out there
that remember nineteen seventy six, it seems like there was
a profound national spirit of optimism that came out of
that two hundredth birthday celebration. Are you optimistic that next
year we can have something so mol on America to
(30:01):
fifty or do you think the Nicole Hannah Joneses of
the world and the sixteen nineteen project have been so
successful in tearing down American history that it's impossible to
bring everybody together.
Speaker 10 (30:12):
I think the Overton window is shifting, and I'm glad
that President Trump is in office.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
I would like to.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
See some changes to be a board running the two
hundred and fifty celebrations because this is a time to
honor the founders. And I say this as someone who's
you know, I'm related too. Declaration of Independence definers. My
two sixth great grand uncles were militia men in the
battles of Lexington and Concord. My family thought this, they
lived this and honoring their legacy and everyone else's legacy.
(30:37):
It is so important to me because without their sacrifices,
you and I wouldn't be speaking today.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
H Brionna, how can people find you if they want
to see your content? And or maybe they got kids
and grandkids out there that are in your age bracket,
and maybe they're more likely to respond in a positive
way to somebody their own age than people their age.
Speaker 10 (30:57):
I'm trying to be a patriot maxing. So you could
me on Twitter at Brian Alignment two or Instagram Brianna
dot Lineman.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Awesome, Hey, we appreciate the time. Have a good Christmas
and thanks for fighting the good fight. I mean, I
saw you fighting history battles on social media, which I
almost never see anybody else doing, and I wanted to
make sure you've got a chance to talk with you.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
Thank you, Mary Christmas. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That's Brianna Lyman. That's fantastic. I mean history nerding out.
I mean again, when I see somebody just defending just
twenty seven the historic legacy of Robert E.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
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able to entertain you as best we can. There a
lot of different stories that we are tracking. More video
footage surrounding the Brown University shooter. It's now been six days,
I believe, as we come up on six days since
that shooting occurred. No one has been arrested. We have
(33:39):
been reacting to very positive story. If you missed it earlier,
this morning, inflation came in lower than expected two point
seven percent, the lowest level of inflation since the spring
of twenty twenty one, when Joe Biden came into office
two point six percent core inflation level. The Fed's goal
(34:00):
is two percent. If you want to nerd out on
economic related analysis. We spent a lot of the opening
of the first hour discussing how this, how interest rates
are impacted in an inflation environment, and why I am
so optimistic as we head into twenty twenty six about
(34:21):
the overall trajectory of the economy. We discussed President Trump's
address last night from the White House nine pm Eastern
that was carried President Trump right now is signing an
executive order easing restrictions on marijuana. He is now taking
questions from the press that is assembled in the Oval Office.
(34:44):
He is seated at the resolute desk. We will be
monitoring that with all of you to make sure that
we are on top of anything that he says.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Now a bit of other news. The Trump Kennedy Center
is now a thing. We'll see whether not this name
sticks when there are new administrations that potentially come in.
But the Kennedy Center has voted to rename itself the
Trump Kennedy Center, and that is becoming the new name there.
(35:16):
In the wake of the amount of interest that President
Trump has given to the Kennedy Center overall again, they
have renamed it Daily Mail reporting I mentioned that this
was a story that we were following. A private plane
crashed in North Carolina with several people on it, and
(35:43):
the Daily Mail is now reporting that NASCAR legend Greg
Biffle died in that plane crash, and they are citing
one of his best friends, saying that the fifty five
year old NASCAR legend the plane was on its way
to Sarasota, Florida. According to this report, it crashed about
(36:07):
forty five minutes from from Charlotte, and Garrett Mitchell, one
of Biffle's friends, said, Unfortunately, I can confirm Greg Biffle,
his wife Christina, and son Writer were on that plane.
They were on the way to spend the afternoon with us. Mitchell,
(36:29):
according to Daily Mail, often appears in YouTube videos with Biffle.
He wrote this on Facebook, where devastated. I'm so sorry
to share this. He also said he was not sure
who else was potentially on that plane, a Sesna C
five point fifty according to the FAA. So that is
(36:51):
a awful story out there for those of you that
are NASCAR fans. Greg Biffle, very famous and well known
race car driver in the NASCAR world, again reportedly dying,
according to one of his best friends, as reported by
The Daily Mail. Okay, let's see another story that is
(37:13):
out there that I think is getting maybe not as
much attention as it should. I was texting with producer
Ali about this last night, and the Brown University shooting
certainly killed two people. This shooting at MIT, a professor
at MIT was assassinated.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Two days later.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Unknown assailant fatally shot MIT professor Nuno Lauro and I'm
probably mispronouncing his name inside his Boston home about fifty
miles away from that other shooting. The FBI agent says
they don't think there's a connection, but other people are saying,
(37:56):
is there a connection here? And the the idea that
a MIT professor who was an expert in nuclear weaponry
would be killed like this is It's a story that
I think should get a lot of attention. He is
a theoretical physicist and fusion scientist that has specializes in
(38:22):
nuclear science, engineering, and physics, and there are a lot
of discussions about how is this forty seven year old
dad of three just getting killed MIT professor with nuclear
weapons training background. Is there something more to this again
(38:42):
that happened here recently? So all of those stories being discussed.
By the way, We're going to talk with Jonathan Albert
at the bottom of the hour about how to handle
friends and family who may have Trump derangement syndrome as
the holidays are now upon us. I also wanted to
play this for you. Piers Morgan had Candace Owens on
(39:06):
his program. We haven't spent a lot of time talking
about this, but Candace Owens has been chasing the allegations
or conspiracy. She's been arguing that somebody other than this
crazy guy killed Charlie Kirk, and Pierce Morgan pressed her
on that, and this is what that sounded like in
(39:28):
their conversation.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
Listen, there is specifically two people at Turning Point USA,
and I have communicated that information to Erica and Justine
Strife that I would not be surprised if they had
for knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinatedvident. I'm not going
to name. I am not going to name those people, okay,
because it's not right for me to name those people.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And so I know for a fact that they did.
Did you give the names to Erica? Yes, I a
truly did.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
I gave the names to Erica of two employees, current
employees at Turning Point, who you believe were.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 11 (40:04):
I told them that if if I were in your shoes,
the would these would be two employees that I would
look further into.
Speaker 7 (40:10):
What evidence do you have that they had any prior
knowledge of the murder?
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Because I don't have concrete evidence is the reason why
I'm not naming them.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Uh, this is why I give credit and I am
optimistic that when this trial takes place that we are
going to be able to hear more and see more
of what motivated this assassin. And the Washington Post had
a story that was out that I thought was significant
(40:43):
and worthy of discussing. The Washington let me read some
of this. This Tyler Robinson, this far left wing activist
who killed Charlie Kirk based on all the evidence, and
this is the Washington Post profile that they did surrounding
this alleged assassin who will be standing trial soon. A
(41:04):
few times I'm reading from the Washington Post. When he
was drunk, Robinson would joke about right wing politicians, saying
like that guy's going to catch a bullet one day.
No one took it seriously, and they would say he
would say it when he was drinking. He reacted to
Trump being shot by celebratory joke, and they said that
(41:29):
he increasingly and his roommate were angry about right wing
politicians and an anti trans sentiment in Utah. They show
the roommate asked friends whether they wanted to attend an
anti Trump protest. After the twenty twenty four election, The
roommate viewed Trump's election I'm reading from the Washington Post
(41:53):
as a loss for trans rights and was distraught more
than once. The person said he saw Robinson cradling his
sobbing roommate in his arms. This is the trans roommate.
I believe this is the man who identified as a woman.
I sometimes get crossed up on this team. I believe
(42:14):
that's true. Correct me if I'm wrong. In February, the
roommate was furious when people came over to watch a
basketball game NBA game, According to people were there, One
of the visitors said something about trans athletes and how
ridiculous it was for trans athletes to be competing, and
(42:36):
the roommate interrupted him and shouted repeatedly to shut up
about that, and all the room went quiet before play
eventually resumed.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And also.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
This person, says Robinson and the trans roommate the killer,
the alleged assassin, would complain about right wing figures in
the news, including Trump. So again, the motivation here, I
think is very clear. I also understand the desire among
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many to believe that there is something larger in play
than just one person can get a rifle and go
in the life of somebody as significant as Charlie Kirk.
And thankfully we dodged this with President Trump in Butler,
Pennsylvania on July thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
But it's I think.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Beyond the pale to suggest that someone at turning Point
was involved in trying to encourage the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
I mean, that is I think, absolutely a crazy, looney
bin take. And one of the things that I think
is very challenging in modern media is there are very
(44:01):
few consequences for crazy opinions.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
And actually, we've.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Created a media ecosystem that can reward crazy opinions, and
I think that's something that is going to be important
to grapple with in the years ahead. How do we
reconcile when people say things that end up not being true.
And I'm not talking about just getting predictions wrong. We
get predictions wrong on this show all the time. Those
(44:28):
of you who listened to this show for a long
time know that, for instance, I said we were going
to have a red wave in twenty twenty two, didn't materialize.
I was wrong. I came on, I said I was wrong.
You know, we got a red wave in Florida, we
got a red wave in New York. It didn't happen
in other cities and states. And then in twenty twenty
(44:49):
four we did get a red wave and it brought
President Trump in and so you could feel the building
of the red wave. I was just early in my forecast.
I think honestly that Dobbs decision muted what would have
been a red wave in twenty twenty two. That's my opinion.
I think that abortion got out a lot of Democrats
and it forestalled the red wave until twenty twenty four.
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And by the way, you can argue that if we
had gotten a red wave in twenty twenty two. Joe
Biden would have stepped down then and said I'm not
running for reelection. The Democrats would have had a full primary,
Republicans would have had a full primary, and we wouldn't
have ended up with Trump versus Kamala. We may have
ended up with I think Trump still probably would have
(45:32):
won the overall Republican nomination, but who knows who the
nominee would have been for Democrats. I don't think it
would have been Kamala. And so you get things wrong.
That's part of this business. It's hard to forecast the future.
Nobody is perfect at it. But when you say things
that are able to be proven incorrect, what is the
(45:53):
metric under which there are consequences for that? I think
it's something that in the world in which we live,
it's very hard for me to sue, for instance, because
somebody defamed me, because I'm a public figure. So if
you go on social media at any moment, people are
saying awful things about me, They're saying awful things about Buck,
They're saying awful things about many different people in public life.
(46:17):
And because the standard is so substantial for a public figure,
to be able to sue. We almost have created a
world where you can say anything about anyone and if
they are a public figure in the United States, it's
almost impossible for there to be any form of defamation
that is recoverable, and so that actually leads, I think,
(46:41):
to an incentives culture where you can say awful things
about whoever you don't like, awful, untrue things, not opinions,
right me saying I think Tim Walls is an awful,
awful governor and was an atrocious vice presidential candidate and
didn't actually appeal to men at all, and Democrats made
(47:03):
it a tremendously boneheaded decision there. That's all well intentioned.
I believe everything I just said, But if I took
the next step and said I think Tim Walls is,
you know, he's a drug dealer, that would be totally
made up. I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever to
support it. But I don't know that Tim Walls could
(47:24):
sue because he's a public figure, and the standard of
public figures is you can basically say anything about them
and there are no consequences. I think this is going
to become more and more challenging in a social media age.
It's something that I spend a lot of time thinking about.
And this is me going down into the weeds legally,
but the New York Times v. Sullivan standard when it
(47:47):
comes to free speech in the First Amendment and how
that is implicated, it doesn't really fit the modern era
in which we live. It's an outdated policy precedent from
the nineteen sixties that I don't think fits the modern
reality of media in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six.
(48:08):
Something to think about, something to put a pin in it.
I don't even know how many Supreme Court justices really
get this. Several of them have started to say, hey,
you know what, this idea of Times v. Sullivan needs
to be modified. Clarence Thomas has talked about it. I
think it's a huge deal. I think it's a substantial
story that is going to be generationally important in the
(48:31):
years ahead. But just putting a pin in it. Wanted
to play that cut and use it kind of as
a jumping off point to talk about public commentary and
what the standard should be when it comes to what
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Speaker 1 (49:52):
Welcome back at Play Travis buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition
of the program and let's get to some talkbacks. A
welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I appreciate
all of you hanging out with us. We are joined
now by Jonathan Albert, psychotherapist in New York City and
DC author of the forthcoming book Therapy Nation.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
We talked with you back.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
In around Thanksgiving, Jonathan, and there was a great feedback
from the audience. So given the fact that Christmas is nearing,
we are exactly one week from Christmas Day. If I
am doing my math correctly, and I think i am,
and obviously Hanukkah is underway, what is the number one
(50:38):
piece of advice you would give anyone out there that
is going to be with friends and family who hate
President Trump. Many of the people listening to us right
now are big Trump supporters. What is the number one
piece of advice when it comes to holidays with Trump haters?
Speaker 12 (50:56):
Well, Clay, maybe get a life, but that side, you know,
I think people need to recognize that family and friends are,
or at least should be, more important than Donald Trump
or any political figure that may be in our country.
But all too often that's not the case. We have
(51:17):
people who are dividing families, cutting off relatives, loved ones,
friends just because of the way that someone voted. And
as a therapist, I mean I'm seeing this endlessly since Thanksgiving.
People are coming in talking about high anxiety about seeing
their Trump loving uncle or even their progressive cousin over
(51:37):
the holiday. So it's a real problem in our society.
And what I'm seeing this year seems worse than a
year's past. And I think part of the problem is
people have become their anger has become hardened, and it's
become part of their personality. So we really need to
try to examine that and figure out how to work
(51:58):
with these people. And sometimes a simplest saying past the
gravy may work just to remind people like, we're here
for the holiday dinner, not to discuss politics.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
We've got Kathy in Birmingham, Alabama. She has a question
for you. Kathy, you're talking with Jonathan Alpert. You've got
a dad who is a major Trump hater. Ask your question,
how do you deal with it?
Speaker 4 (52:26):
He is ninety years old, and Clay he was he
sounded I thought it was my own father that called
in the Bill from Wisconsin. My father's name is Bill
and he is from the Upper Peninsula, Michigan, and Bill
from Wisconsin is exactly how my father is treating his
(52:46):
three adult children.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Thank you for the case, what should she do?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
You didn't hear earlier, but we had to call her
Bill from Wisconsin, who just hates Trump sounds like her
dad years old. Is that way too? What would you
suggest that she should do? Is it completely ignore everything
having to do with Trump? What's the best way to
get through the holidays with some semblance of sanity in
the household?
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (53:15):
And I think accepting that there will be people who
hate Trump, or hate Joe Biden, or hate Kamala Harris,
but again like recognizing that no one political figure should
dominate a holiday, and maybe getting back to the importance
of the holiday and what it's all about. And maybe
there can just be a brief acknowledgment. I understand that
(53:36):
we don't see I politically, but I love you. You're
my father, you're my daughter, whatever the case may be.
And let's focus on family and enjoying the holiday together.
So most of the times that will work.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
We also have another question.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I appreciate people calling in Ryan and Boston has a
question for you. Jonathan Albert on with us.
Speaker 7 (53:57):
Now gentlemen, right topic and Built from Wisconsin. You have
to realize you don't get every vote, and he's one
of the guys that go the other way. But I
noticed this little kid, people going after Reagan, and I
don't even repeat the things they said. So this goes
on politically, it seems more from the left. They do
get kind of vicious. And I always wanted to know.
(54:19):
I believe on an emotional level, and i'd ask, is
are these people stunted emotionally because people now are excluding
people from Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners and they want no
part of these They don't want no part of these
individuals because they can't control their political views at dinners anymore.
You know, I could. What I could do is what
I do is I just walk away. During Thanksgiving, I
(54:42):
can watch football I'm a sports fan, or even Christmas,
they have games and I could watch and just walk
away from any kind of looming to his conversation. But
a lot of people on the other side don't like
it at all. People are being excluded. And a good
example I saw as a young guy when Pappy Cannon
ran for president, Republicans got vicious calling names. So name
(55:03):
calling is permitted in politics, but tampering with the actual
agenda is not.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
John, Thank you for the call, Ryan, Jonathan. I This
is something that I think everybody is grappling with and
it's not gonna go away. And I think I asked
you this last time, but I find it super interesting.
Is Trump derangement syndrome as it exists today? And I
would say there's about twenty percent of Americans that just
(55:33):
genuinely hate Trump with every fiber of their being. Is
it gonna translate to other politicians on the Republican side
of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Let's say it's J. D.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Vance or Marco Robio or Ron DeSantis, whoever is the
next flag bearer for the Republican Party. In your experience,
does this kind of hate translate or if Trump steps
off the stage, which he will do in January of
twenty twenty nine, does it then sort of leave with him.
Speaker 12 (56:04):
Yeah, it's a great question, Clay, and I remember you
did ask that last time. I think to some degree
the hate does stick around into the next president, whoever
that may be, but maybe to a lesser extent because
Trump has just been such a polarizing figure and he
came out of the business world, and most likely we'll
(56:25):
have a politician that steps up into the presidency next
time and not this outsider that Trump was, and I
think a lot of people just had trouble reconciling, like,
how can this guy, a real estate tycoon and TV
star become president? And a lot of people just cannot
be okay with that and reconcile that. So I don't
think we'll quite have that at play and that hatred.
(56:48):
But yes, to your point, I think there are always
going to be people who hate the other side. One
of the differences that I've seen is the hatred towards
the seems to be much more potent than the hatred
towards the left. Plenty of patients of mind didn't like
Biden or Harris, but it never rose to the level
(57:11):
of wanting either of those people dead. But we've certainly
seen that on the other side.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Mary in Texas has an opinion. I'm curious what you
would think of her opinion. Mary, You've got Jonathan Albert
on with us. What have you got for us?
Speaker 13 (57:27):
Well, the basic things about being with your family or
friends during the holidays. It's just very very very lovingly,
very kindly say, look, we've been together for ninety years,
you know, forty years for children, has been wife. This
isn't about what's going on in politics. This is about Christmas,
(57:49):
this is about being with family.
Speaker 8 (57:51):
Let's take responsibility as adults, as human beings to be
loving with each other, to be Christian with each other,
and the rest is going to be what it is.
You're gonna think what you're gonna think, you're gonna you're
gonna want to do what you're gonna want to do,
but let's leave it away from around us.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
Thank you, Mary. Good advice, Jonathan.
Speaker 12 (58:12):
Oh, excellent advice from Mary. That's pretty much what I
tell my patients that friends and family are far more
important than politics, and they should transcend any any occupant
of the White House. Unfortunately we're not seeing that this
holiday season, but that's great advice from Mary.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Historically, we talked with Breonna Lyman from The Federalist in
the second hour of the program. I love history because
it teaches you that you're way tougher and then you
think you are, and that the country is way tougher
than many people think it is. I would imagine that
in the wake of the Civil War there were probably
a lot of family gatherings that took place, particularly in
(58:55):
border states where people fought for different sides of the country.
North and South that it took a long time to
get through. Certainly for those of you out there who
remember the nineteen sixties, I would imagine during the Vietnam
War there were a lot of contentious Thanksgivings and Christmases.
Are you optimistic that we will come through and that
(59:16):
sanity will win or are you concerned that in a
social media era it's harder for sanity to triumph going forward?
In other words, how perpetual do you think the divisions
in the country are compared to past history and looking forward?
Speaker 12 (59:33):
Yeah, and I think if people could look at history,
would probably be better off now than we are. Our
mental health would be better off. But then when you
enter into the mix social media and echo chambers that
people surround themselves in, it's really only intensifying the division
in our country. And that's part of what my forthcoming book,
(59:53):
Therapy Nation is about, Like this division, and it's actually
fueled in part by my profession. We have therapy culture
that is, you know, placing blame on everyone but their patient.
Of course, it's your boss that's the bad guy, or
your spouse, it's not your fault. So you know, we
don't have resilience being taught to patients. These days we
(01:00:15):
have quite the opposite. We have grievance culture that's taking hold.
We have fragility and that's a big part of the problem.
And again, if people could just look at our country's history,
and you make a good point that during the Civil
War and after it, families probably still got together and
loved each other.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Thank you so much for joining us, Jonathan Albert. If
people want to read more of what you are doing,
I know you've got a book coming out called Therapy Nation.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Where should they find you?
Speaker 12 (01:00:49):
People can find me on on x or Twitter at
Jonathan Albert and also my website Jonathan Albert dot com.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Outstanding stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
As always, have good holiday and we look forward to
to talking to you again.
Speaker 12 (01:01:03):
Yeah, thank you, Clay.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
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