November 19, 2021 • 43 mins
Build Back Better is going to bust the budget. Biden's popularity keeps declining. Kyle Rittenhouse NOT GUILTY on all charges. Alex Berenson explains how that case is similar to covid (hint: media coverage). Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan reacts to Rittenhouse verdict and government overreach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
It is Friday. A lot of you probably going to
take off a decent amount of time next week as
Thanksgiving inches closer and closer for all of us. I hope,
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wherever you are across this great country or around the
world listening right now to myself and Buck Sexton, that
all of you are having a fantastic early start to
your weekend. We have got a ton of different stories
to hit you with. Let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap. At one o'clock Eastern, Alex Berenson
is going to join us to give us the absolute
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latest on COVID. At two eastern, we will talk with
Jim Jordan about the idea of the FBI and the
Department of Justice investigating all those awful domestic terrorists like
yours truly who showed up to speak at all of
our respective school board meetings. The Billback Better Bill has
now passed the House. Kevin McCarthy spent over eight hours
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fighting against it all throughout the night. He will soon
be I believe the Speaker of the House But what's
the overall impact of that bill. We will discuss doctor
Fauci seen out in Washington, DC's Georgetown Cafe, Milano Posh
restaurant without a Mask. Portland is refunding police now that
the murder rate has skyrocketed. There COVID madness all over Europe,
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and frankly this country Australia has executed now a full
nationwide lockdown. Enis Canter going to war with China. Lebron
James chairman Z and credit to the Women's Tennis Association.
A Chinese woman who won the doubles title in the
French Open has disappeared after accusing a high ranking Communist
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Party official of sexual assault. The WPA WTA is demanding
to know what has happened to her. All stories, plus
that Kyle Rittenhouse jury continues deliberations. We will be breaking
all of that down for you. But first, Nancy Pelosi
is exulting after months of delay, they have passed the
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Build Back Better bill, and she says, Nancy Pelosi does
it's fully paid for, even though you and I and
everyone listening knows, even based on CBO estimates, that's a
full and complete lie. Bilback Better is fully paid for.
It reduces the deficit and grows the economy and bilback
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better will not increase inflation, according to the experts, including
an array of Nobel Prize winning economist and Moodiest also
Buck Nancy Pelosi said that the five hundred and fifty
billion dollars being spent on climate related issues is a
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religious thing for her. Listen to this. It's about healthcare
for our children, clean air, clean water. It's about jobs, jobs, jobs,
good paying union jobs, to keep us pre eminent in
green technologies throughout the world. You've heard me say it's
a national security issue as a national security advisors tell
us a competition for habitat and resources with drought and
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rising sea levels, etc. Can cause a conflict, and of
course a moral obligation for us to hand this planet
over to the next generation a responsible way. For me,
it's a religious thing. I believe this is God's creation
and we have moral obligation to be good stewarts. But
if you don't share that view, you must share the
view that we have an obligation to future generation. Kind
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of say, how excited I am that Nancy Pelosi is
finally admitting what I've been saying about her and the
crazy Green New Deal Libs for as long as they've
been running aroun which is this is a she says,
a religious belief. I mean, I thought she said the
quiet part out loud. In a sense, this is an
ideologically driven It's not about making you wealthier, more prosperous,
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more free, happier. It's about saving the planet. Now, if
you live in a twenty million dollar mansion in the
San Francisco Bay area and you're worth seventy or eighty
million dollars, as Pelosi I believe, is something in that neighborhood.
You don't care about the price of gas, you don't
care about the price of inflation, and you certainly don't
care about what the Green New Deal items that are
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in this spending package will do to the cost of
everything around you, to the efficiency of everything around you.
And why, Clay, it's not about what's best for the people,
it's about what's best for the planet. Okay. I mean,
we don't use limousine liberal anymore because no one actually
drives around in limousines unless you want like a throwback
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where you have to put the window down yourself. You know,
if you've used the old old school, cranked the prim
the window down. I guess private Jet progressive, this is
the ultimate and five hundred billion dollars going to Green
New Deal nonsense that is in this House version of
the bill. Yeah, And I was reading the Wall Street
Journal editorial this morning, Buck, and they say, you know,
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they did the Congressional Budget Office scoring, which proved it
wasn't paid for even under those metrics, But that this
bill because it's sunset provision for people out there who
you know, haven't really been following this closely. The way
Democrats got the cost down to one seven five or
whatever they're trying to claim is by pretending that these
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costs basically end in ten years. Less than that for
some of these provisions when you actually count them out ahead.
The Wall Street Journal says that it's going to cost
five trillion dollars. And now the big question is going
to be Buck, is Joe Mansion, maybe Kirsten Cinema, maybe
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Hasten up and up in New Hampshire. People who are
under legitimate maybe Kelly out in Arizona, people who are
under legitimate danger of losing reelection in twenty twenty two.
Are they going to stand up to this bill. There's
talk of trying to get it passed officially in the
Senate by Christmas. But I wanted to share this data
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with you. Joe Mansion right now in West Virginia has
a sixty percent approval rate. Joe Biden has a thirty
two percent approval rate. Seventy eight percent support Mansion on
the infrastructure bill, but seventy four percent of West Virginians
say Mansion should oppose the president's build back better plans.
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So is Mansion going to bend to the will of
the Democrats or is he going to be thinking about
his future potential reelection in twenty twenty four in West
Virginia and do what the vast majority of his constituency
wants him to do. The ironic part is that he
may by stripping out some of the most egregious as
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part of the reconciling of the bills in the two House. Right,
so where the two parts of Congress. The House has
passed this thing very narrow by the way, two twenty
to two hundred and thirteen. So yeah, you know, you
should definitely transform the American economy and do something that
nobody on the right think should be done right now,
and a lot of people on the left even things
shouldn't be done when you have a whole seven seat
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majority in the House and not even a one seat
majority in the Senate. That seems like a logical place
to decide to change the American economy when way of
life with it. But Clay, I have to say, I
think that the Senate version of this is going to
strip out some so we don't know how much. Some
of it that will then be claimed is making it
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moderate in some way, and maybe Mansion will then go
along with it, and in doing so, by saving the
Democrats from some of the most excessive portions of it,
I think he'll be doing them a favor because people
are going to start to see as this thing rolls
out a no you know who's read it. Not even
the people are voting for it have read it. I mean,
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you look at some of the Wall Street Journal, some
of these analyzes. They're doing budgetary analysis of it. But
what does it really mean and what will it mean
for you guess that everybody inflation, which if it keeps
going up, will destroy the Biden presidency from a political perspective.
They'll have nothing left. They'll get wiped out in the
mid terms. He won't if inflation is really bad, Biden
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won't even run for reelection. That actually that actually I
feel very confident in well, I'm not sure that well.
By the way, Biden is also getting a colonoscopy today,
and Kamala Harris is in charge for some small period
of time. But I can't imagine Kamala being the person
who's running. I simultaneously can't imagine Democrats, who accuse everybody
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of being racist and sexist not nominating her given the
fact that she's the VP. But really, Buck, I believe
it's on December ninth, the next reading of inflation comes out,
and there's all these economists. You know, economists are pretty
worthless in many ways, right Buck. They're good at telling
you why something happened after it happened. But all of
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them are expressing shock, many of them over the fact
that inflation has skyrocketed like it has, and it doesn't
seem like it's gonna go away anytime soon. So I
think what's going to happen is we're gonna get that
reading in early December, and it's going to give Mansion
political cover to say we're not going to do anything
in the early part of this year. We'll take it
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into twenty twenty two. It turns into almost a continuation
of the Mansion effect after that election in Virginia where
Glenn Unkin won. I can assure everybody out there that,
if you didn't already know, Mansion after that whole thing
went down, was in a much strengthened position to push
back against the more left wing members of the Democrat
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Party who wanted him to go along with it. I
just think it's interesting play that Pelosi. Look, she gets
she gets the whip done, she pulls people together for
votes on very progressive, massive spending packages, but she doesn't
really you know, it's interesting she does this, and if
you look at history, I mean, look what happened last
time Pelosi went along with the huge spending package in
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the Obama administration. No less, heading into those mid terms
felt like a very different play. She's gonna retire, this
is her this is her swan song. I feel like
this is the thing that she's leaving right. It would
be stunning if she decides not to retire. To me,
I feel like they just never want to give it up,
you know, they the people that are at the levers
of power. This is something that you see play out
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time and again. Look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden, is
he gonna be seventy nine tomorrow? I think I think
that's right, seventy nine years old tomorrow. I mean, how
many of you have a seventy nine year old relative that,
honestly you would want to put in now. You may
want that relative in charge of the country more than
Joe Biden or pretty much all of you have that,
But how many of you would say, you know what
the best person for the job is, my seventy nine
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year old relative. That person should be president of the
United States right now. And then when you have Kamala
Harris stepping in, even just for it's ceremonial, right, nothing's
going to happen today, but you could tell everyone goes.
I hope North Korea doesn't invade. You know, there's a
little bit of a concern here that if she had
to make a real decision, this is not who you
would would want to be to be doing that. So
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I think there's a legitimate concern there. Pelosi build back better.
I think that clay inflation will be there undoing. We
will have to see. We'll come back with more of
that in a moment. Also, it is open line Friday,
eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. So
what do you think about all Clay, do we have
like a special question we want to post everybody there.
I just want to let it, let it rip, whatever,
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whatever's on the minds of the folks, whatever we're talking about.
We got so many different topics out there. I feel
like this rittenhouse jury entering into a fourth day of
deliberation is pretty crazy. That's stunning. And also, Buck, I wonder,
as you run into the weekend, if they were to
give a verdict now, is it actually worse right, because
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then you have all these people who don't have jobs
they have with all these people who are riding don't
have jobs period, but they have even more free time
headed into the weekend. It feels like that's the worst
time for a verdict to come down. It would be sensible.
I've only been to Wisconsin recently that one time, but
I do know enough about it to know that you
kind of want that Wisconsin weather where you've got bicycles
forming from your nose. Yes, and you want that, and
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you want a verdict at like ten am on a Monday,
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Welcome back to clay An Buck Show. I think you
try to answer that question every day, different adat detail,
a little bit of fact, a little bit of analysis.
But we're not the only ones. I think things aren't
going very well right now. That's obvious from the polling.
But even some Democrats are recognizing that the response to
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oh my gosh, inflations getting really bad should not be
let's spend more money in a non emergency spending bill
than at any time since the nineteen sixties, since the
creation effectively of the American welfare state. Let's not do
that right now. That's not going to help. Forget about
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whether that's the country we want to live in, and
whether we should become a European style welfare state, and
all the rest. I mean what I don't mean forget
about it. I mean just put it aside for a second.
What does it do to the economic challenges that we
see right now? And here's my buddy, Steve Rattner, Steve
not the other guy who wrote that off air that
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I mentioned you earlier in the week, who's going around
This is a guy he's trying to raise the alarm
for Democrats by saying what you're doing is really bad. Now,
this is a guy who's a lib but he understands
the money. He understands a monetary policy. He was a
private equity guy, and unlike economists, he actually had to
be right or else he goes broke right. So he's
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a savvy, savvy guy about money. Here's what he says
about why Biden is unpopular. I think Afghanistan was a disaster.
It may well pass, but there's nobody in America pretty
much who thinks it was handled well. The border is
another huge problem that the public perceives to be a
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result of Biden encouraging people this idea that it was
going to be a different attitude than Trump and people
should come and try to cross the border. That's another
huge problem. He's basically cast himself as a transformational president,
one who's going to be LBJ and FDR are put together.
But the problem is he didn't really have a mandate
to do that. LBJ when he was president had a
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he had sixty nine sentence seats, says Democrats, So he
actually had a mandated, absolutely correct analysis from an Obama
advisor everybody. I think one of the things that Obama
people are seeing is one they don't trust the competency
of Biden. But there was so much orange man bad
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associated with Trump, which all of us out there listening
right now know how unfair it was. But now that
Biden is in charge, there seems to be a rationality
in some parts of the Democratic Party returning that's an
imminently reasonable, rational analysis of the Joe Biden presidency. That's
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also devastating because it's coming from a rational member of
the Obama administration. And I think the Democratic Party has
gone so insane that you're starting to see people push
back now that Trump is out of office, and that's
why I think ultimately this civil war in the Democratic
Party is going to get exposed in twenty twenty two
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they have the left wing base that they need to
show us, but also for donations and enthusiasm and energy
and elections. They think this is their time. I think
that there are some of the Democrat Party who realize
the more of the American people figure out the Green
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Not guilty on all counts. Not guilty on accounts. Man,
it feels good to say it. Kyle Rittenhouse walks from
court right now, a free man because Kyle Rittenhouse did
nothing wrong. Welcome back to Clay and Buck Show. White
House is going to be making a statement on the
Rittenhouse verdict soon. Here we're following it all for you.
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We do want to take a moment as our team
continues to watch all the Rittenhouse coverage here and again,
not guilty on all accounts. That's what you really need
to know, just announced a few moments ago. But we'll
come back to it. We'll tell you more about what's
happening here, what the White House is saying on it.
In the meantime, we have author of pandemia and please
go subscribe to his work on sub stack. Alex Barrenson
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with us now, Alex, appreciate it. Thank you, sir, Thank
you so much for having me so. I posed a
question to you via text. I want to ask you
about it now, Alex if I can, because it's it's
hard to believe some of what we're seeing right now.
This is from the Independent, a serious you k paper.
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It says in every age group over thirty in the UK,
the rates of COVID infection per one hundred thousand are
now higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. In ages
between forty and seventy nine, infection rates among the vaccinated
are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated.
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How is that possible, Alex? We were told this is
a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Well, you know, and this
is one reason I think the written verdict is so interesting.
You were lied to you know you were lied to
about who this guy was and why he was in Kenoshan,
all the rest of men you were lied to about.
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You know, COVID. You've been lied to about many things,
and the thing you've been most recently lied to about
is about the vaccines and how well they work. And
that data is completely correct. You know, I talked about
it on Rogan about six weeks ago and it has
only gotten worse since then. And this is UK government.
This is not you know, your brother's cousin telling you
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that you know zinc works or something. This is this
is government data. They're counting cases. They The only difference
between the US and the UK is that we don't
really count cases. Okay, we both because our healthcare system
is so fractured and so problematic, and because the CDC
clearly does not want to collect this data, they haven't
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collected it. But in the UK the data is extremely clear.
There is no protection from infection or transmission. After a
few months, it just disappears. And we can argue about
the level of protection against severe disease and death, but
that clearly goes down. Also, whether it goes down to zero,
we don't really know. Although there's some evidence it trends
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that way. So thanks for coming on with us, Alex.
Where are we headed this winter based on the data
that you see right now? Well, I've been saying this
two guys for two months, you know, and I've said
to I don't like to make predictions about COVID because
COVID makes fools the people who try to predict it.
But it seemed very clear to me that we were
going to be headed back up again, and now we are.
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You know, we're over one hundred thousand cases a day
in the United States in the Northern States that Vermont
set is setting records. New York had its worth day
I think yesterday. In six months, you know, you can
very clearly see what's happening because it's happening. It happened
in the UK over the summer, when you know the
UK was the first place to vaccinate. It happened in
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along with Israel. It happens. It's happening right now in
central Europe that Germany and Austria are seeing incredible numbers
of cases. The only thing that's going to protect the
US is that we had work cases before. So there's
a number of people out there with natural immunity, and
you know, in our vaccination um sort of stopped and
it was more stop and start than Europe. So so
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the waning immunity is going to be a little bit
more stop and start too. But human biology is everywhere,
and we have every reason to expect that there's going
to be problems going forward. Now, how many people get hospitalized,
I don't know how many people die. It will likely
be less. And the people who you know have been
vaccine fanatics are going to try to give all the
credit to the vaccines for that. The vaccines may deserve
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some credit. Improvements in treatment may deserve some credit. Look,
I will give you one piece of good news, which
is it is possible that the fires are drug. Not
the fires are vaccine, but the fires are drug which
had very very good results in a clinical trial, so
good that the trial was stopped early a few weeks ago,
are about ten days ago. That may actually begin to
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alter the course of the epidemic when it is approved. Okay,
it will not be the vaccines. It will be this drug.
And I really need to write a substect about this.
I'm working on one. I spoke to a really smart
doctor who's not political, but he said, in his view,
COVID is over when this drug is approved. So it
seems to me that if we get to a point
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where it's clear the vaccines don't really prevent transmission very well,
if I mean, I believe you said really at all
after a certain period, but they clearly don't prevent transmission
very well. And if the real closest thing to a
silver bullet we have isn't the vaccine, but is treatment
for anybody who gets COVID via this pill and whatever
other modalities are used, then then what's the rationalization for
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our vaccine mandates and also for us just not going
back to living our normal lives and if someone gets
really sick, they go get the COVID pill. The rationalization
of that. Tony Fauci has been telling you for eighteen
months that this is a disaster that vaccines are going
to solve, Okay, and he won't admit he was wrong.
And this guy, by the way, this doctor who was
around at a during HIV during the beginning of HIV,
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pointed something out to me that no one has ever
said to me before. And I don't think the point
has been made. The Fauci gets blamed for a lot
of things for the early days of HIV. People say, well,
there was a drug AVT to kill people, and he
refused to admit that. This guy said, forget that, like
that's all sort of political. The truth is, the big
mistake Fauci made very early in HIV was from eighty
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two to eighty seven. He wanted to bolster people's immune systems. Okay,
he thought that that was going to cure HIV. A
vaccine would cure HIV even if you got infected, it
would bolster your immune system. That was wrong. The Age
activists said, Tony, we were healthy before all this happened.
It's not about our immune systems failing. It's about this
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virus destroying us. You need to focus on the virus
and get anti virals out there. And guess what. That's
exactly how it has played out with COVID. He's wanted
to he's wanted to come up with a vaccine, and
it looks like the vaccines actually don't really work very well.
And this drug, which targets the virus, not trying to
bolster your immune system, directly attacking the virus maybe what
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gets us out of this. It's amazing history. You know,
the joke, it is not a joke. It's the same
history doesn't repeat itself, but it ryme. Tony Fauci will
not admit that he's wrong, you know, And the Biden
administration has staked you know, they're so dumb they think that,
you know, people are hiding their homes because of COVID,
when sixty percent the country just wants to forget all
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about it. But their base, you know, they spent eighteen
months scaring them. They cannot figure out how to drive
out of this ditch. It's it's a great point that
they basically got elected by claiming that Biden was going
to solve COVID, and now COVID has been worse in
twenty twenty one in terms of death than it was
in twenty twenty. You'd think they'd acknowledge maybe politics isn't
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the way to deal with this. But question for you, Alex,
There's always been a shifting blame. It's the people who
are unvaccinated. It's the people who's not wearing masks, they
aren't social distancing well enough. What is going to be
the blame now this winter that the Biden administration is
going to try to sell I mean lack of boosters.
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You can see it in Europe it will be. They'll
still try to blame the unvaccinated, which I mean they're
doing in Austria and Germany even though those countries have
higher vaccination rights in the US. At Portugal, by the way,
Portugal is, you know, this country that's been held up
as the shining barometer of getting everybody vaccinated. They're going
back up the curve. So yeah, I think they're gonna blame.
They're gonna say, you know what, we do need to
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mask again, and these stupid unvaccinated people they won't mask,
and now nobody wants to mask. We do need boosters.
It's all about you know, Alex Perienceon and Klay Saxton
and Tucker Carlson, Buck Saxon, A Klay Travis and Tucker
Carlson and Joe Rogan. It's those guys. It's just nonsense, Okay,
the virus, it doesn't matter what you do. A month ago,
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The Atlantic wrote a story about how great Germany was doing.
Now Germany has more cases than they have ever had.
Everyone's getting infected with this. They're getting infected with it
either before or after they've been vaccinated, period, end of story.
Most of us will be just fine. Now, thankfully, it
looks like we have a drug that might actually helped too.
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Plus we have the monoclone on anybody's so we just
need to accept this. We need to stop with the mandates. Fortunately,
this country seems to have a little bit more you know,
tradition of individual liberty. It looks like they're not going
to be able to force these mandates through. But if
you look at what's happening in Europe, they are seriously
talking about separating vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It is so insane, Alex, Absolutely,
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it is that pill. What is the status of the
of the Fiser pill? So Fiser has filed for an
EUA for it now you know it Based on that,
I think it could be approved by your end. The
vaccine you know, has approved that quickly, and the data
on the pill is better than the data on vaccine ones. M.
There's also a murk pill, but that pill is more
problematic because it can actually it's called the mutagen, it
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can actually cause DNA alterations, so so that one is
not as good. The Fiser pill looks better. All right, Alex,
We're gonna have you back on man, because this is
not going away anytime soon. And thanks to look like it. Yeah,
thanks for being right again. By the way, as much
as we're all getting booted off with Twitter and all
this other stuff, just talking to Barrenston, you are marked
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Welcome in final hour of the week. I am Clay Travis.
He is fuck Sexton and we were about to be
joined by Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio. But for many
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of you out there who may have been busy about
your day, we had major breaking news just over an
hour ago, Kenosha, Wisconsin. The jury rendered their verdict in
the Kyle Rittenhouse case. This is what it sounded like.
The first count of reafformation Joseph defendant Kyle H. Rittenhouse
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not guilty as to the second count of the information
Richard McInnis. We the jury find the defendant Kyle H.
Rittenhouse not guilty as to the third count of the
information unknown mail. We the jury find the defendant Kyle H.
Rittenhouse not guilty as to the fourth count of the information.
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Anthony Hubert Queena Jury find the defendant Kyle H. Brittenhouse
not guilty as to the fifth count of the information
Gage Cross Queena Jury find the defendant Kyle A. Kyle H.
Brittenhouse not guilty, not guilty on all five counts. We
bring in now Congressman Jim Jordan from the Great State
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of Ohio. Congressman, were you watching What was your reaction
when you saw and or heard about this verdict. I
was not watching I was I was on a plane.
But when since at landed, I got information from our office.
My reaction is God bless America. Our system works, due
process works. This is a win for freedom. This is
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a win for for facts, for truth, This is a
win for the Second Amendment. I mean this is this
is good for our country. Where that jury was not intimidated. Um,
they looked at the facts, they looked at the evidence,
and you know, if that wasn't self defense, what is
what is so um? No, I think this is this
is good for our great system in our great country.
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There's also a lot of people in Congress, the President
of the United States who already prejudged Congressman. We played
a clip of a lot of people in media calling
him a murderer, a school shooter, seventeen year old, vigilante,
teenage domestic terrorists, deeply racist, murderer. What does it say
about them to have this jury repudiate all of their
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attacks upon written House. No, I think it says. What
it says is this is how good our country is,
because in spite of that, the jury got to the truth.
I see this much like this other issue that that Frankly,
you're involved in this issue where the Department of Justice
is trying to chill the speech of parents, and they're
trying to force their beliefs on the country, and regular
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moms and dads are saying, no, you're not, You're not
going to do that. And the folks in Wisconsin in
that courtroom on that jury said no, you're not. We're
going to do what the facts say, what the truth says.
I see this as such a positive and I think
there's a there's a change happening. Clay. I said this
when Merrick Garland was in front of our committee. I said,
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your actions when you tried to treat parents as as
domestic terrorists, and when we may get in that, but
I said, it is a catalyst. It's the last straw.
It is the start of a reawakening in this country
for freedom, for liberty, for the principles that make our
country the best. And you're seeing it happen and it
is so darn encouraging. Hey, Congressman Jordan, it's buck And
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I just want to follow up on the attitude as well.
I mean, there's the FBI that you know put out
the stuff. I mean, the Merrick Garland ag letter and
now the FBI according to that whistleblower complaint. I saw
that letter, we read some of it on air that
you put out about using terrorism tags for concerned parents.
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I mean, this is dystopian level insanity. But it's very
clear that there really is a sentiment among the left
in this country that parents should just shut up. I mean,
here's a piece on NBC News that just went up
in last twenty four hours and an opinion piece. But
here's part of it. Parents think they have the right
to control teaching and learning because their children are the
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ones educated. It's sort of like entering a surgical unit
thinking you can interfere with an operation because the parent
is your child. Wow. I hope every Democrat across America
takes that approach going into these mid terms. Yeah. No, no,
But when when they think we're all deplorables, when they
think we're all racist, these elite people, when they when
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they when that's their view, that then they take this
crazy attitude. But it is not going to play well.
And we saw that in Virginia. We're seeing that across
the country. And understand this too. I don't think this.
The more I've looked at this, and the facts now
begin to come out. Remember we have news reporting that
the school board Association before the initial letter was sent
on September twenty ninth, before that letter was even sent
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the White House, in the school Board Association, we're talking, so,
I don't think. And then, of course, five days later
after they send the letter, Merritt Garland does his memo,
and then we get this email that comes sixteen days
later out to FBI agency and put this threat tag,
this terrorist tag on parents. I don't think it really
started with the school boards. I think that the letter
was just the pretext. I think this came from the government.
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I think this is the Biden administration working with the
Garland DOJ saying we don't like parents pushing back on anything,
so we're going to chill their speech with this, but
we're going to have to have something to be the catalyst,
so it's going to be this letter. I think it
went that way. I think it was the government using
the letter as a pretext to go after parents. What
they didn't count on, what they didn't understand, is the
pushback they were going to get from moms and dads,
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and that again, that is what is so darned encouraging
about all this. We're talking to Jim Jordan, congressman from Ohio.
He's got a new book out, Do what you said
you would do fighting for freedom in the Swamp. We
don't know what the fallout is going to be in Kenosha,
whether there might be people who try to riot as
a result of the not guilty charges. What should the
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state of Wisconsin do to protect the people and the
small business owners this time in Kenosha that they didn't
do back in August which led to these charges against
Scott written now, so, yeah, great, great, great point. I mean,
they should have the National Guard out. I think my
understanding is that's what what they're doing. And also leaders,
the mayor, the governor, uh, members of Congress, members of
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the Senate, leaders in the government should be standing up
and saying, look, this is how our great system works.
You all saw the fact. Just just be a leader
for goodness sake. That that's what That's what's needed that frankly,
that's what needed in the White House right now, is
someone who will actually lead and talk about the things
that need to be talked about instead of just catering
to the to the left as we see Biden do,
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but be leaders and minderstanding. The clay is that um,
the governor there has has got the National Guard called out,
So I think that that's that's obviously the right move.
Congress and Jordan. You know, the Build Back Better Bill,
a lot of bees has been voted through the House,
Nancy Pelosi pushing it all the way by what was
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the vote just it was a handful two twenty to
two thirteen today. How much of it is going to
get changed? Do you think? I know that we're asking
you to kind of think about what they're doing across
the hall in the center side, but how much? And
the bigger point, the bigger question really is how big
a deal is this going to be for those of
us who are worried about inflation, drags on economic growth
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and the growth of government overall. It's just going to
exacerbate the message that Biden administration and Democrats running all
the federal government, the messag they've created in just ten months,
it's only going to make it worse. We know that. Now,
Let's hope mansion and send them a hold firm. I mean,
they've said they want changes and everything else, but they
haven't said therefore, So I hope this thing doesn't pass, obviously,
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because it's not just a number. It's not just the spending.
I mean, that's bad enough. A couple of more train
dollargy on. They're already crazy spinning that they've done. It's
the policy. It's it's the left wing energy policy, and
that it's going to make gas prices go up even more.
It's the tax increases. I mean, you think about the
Democrats economic planets, and just the other day, the Democrats
economic plan is basically lockdown the economy, spend like crazy,
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pay people not to work, and then for everyone has
been working, they're getting ready to raise your taxes. Such
a deal. So this is how crazy this all is.
I hope it doesn't pass. But for the President of
the United States a few weeks ago say if you
pass this, if you spend two tray more, it will
help inflation. There is not a rational, sane person on
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this planet who believes that. Why the president of our
country would say something like that is beyond me. So again,
let's let's hope Senator's mansion and sent them on stay no,
and this thing doesn't ever, doesn't ever become law. Kyle
Rittenhouse not guilty. Congressman, You've got the Steel dossier officially
total crap, as you've been arguing for years that it was.
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You have inflation skyrocketing, the border is a disaster. Is
this a turning point for moderate meat, middle of the
road people to recognize how much the media has been
lying to them? I mean I talked to a lot
of people, Congressman, I know you do too, the amount
of just flat out wise that we're out there about
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Rittenhouse versus what was actually proven at the court hearing
at the case. I mean it, I think it red
pilled a lot of people out there that otherwise hadn't
been paying a lot of attention. Yeah, no, I mean
Donald Trump colluded with Russia. Donald Trump's kids were going
to prison. Kyle Rittenhouse was the terrorist, was was went
out looking for to assault people and kill me. I mean,
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all lies, all based on no no no evidence, no
facts behind those claims made by the press. It it
got so bad the Washington Post had to go back
and say, well, we're gonna make corrections in our stories
about the Trump Russia situation. That whole shar raised that
they so Yeah, the American people get it now. They
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American people have common sense. They understand that they were
fed a bunch of loney by the left wing press.
They understand that the Democrat Party is now controlled by
the hard left, and they're saying time out, Timeout again.
The first sign was Virginia the first time, and I
think that's only going to pick up. There's a reason
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why seventy one percent of our fellow citizens think the
country's own the wrong track. I mean, because it is.
It is on the wrong track. But Americans are going
to turn it around. And again I've said this a
couple of times, but you can see it happening, and
it's so encouraging, and it's it's what we all sort
of instinctively know about our fellow citizens, about this great country.
Americans get it right, and you're seeing that now start
(41:38):
to play out. We're Congressman Jim Jordan, wishing to you
the best of luck here on your book coming out
on Tuesday. Do what you said you would do fighting
for freedom in the swamp Coson Jordan. Always good to
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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
It is Friday. A lot of you probably going to
take off a decent amount of time next week as
Thanksgiving inches closer and closer for all of us. I hope,
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wherever you are across this great country or around the
world listening right now to myself and Buck Sexton, that
all of you are having a fantastic early start to
your weekend. We have got a ton of different stories
to hit you with. Let me give you a little
bit of a roadmap. At one o'clock Eastern, Alex Berenson
is going to join us to give us the absolute
(00:41):
latest on COVID. At two eastern, we will talk with
Jim Jordan about the idea of the FBI and the
Department of Justice investigating all those awful domestic terrorists like
yours truly who showed up to speak at all of
our respective school board meetings. The Billback Better Bill has
now passed the House. Kevin McCarthy spent over eight hours
(01:03):
fighting against it all throughout the night. He will soon
be I believe the Speaker of the House But what's
the overall impact of that bill. We will discuss doctor
Fauci seen out in Washington, DC's Georgetown Cafe, Milano Posh
restaurant without a Mask. Portland is refunding police now that
the murder rate has skyrocketed. There COVID madness all over Europe,
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and frankly this country Australia has executed now a full
nationwide lockdown. Enis Canter going to war with China. Lebron
James chairman Z and credit to the Women's Tennis Association.
A Chinese woman who won the doubles title in the
French Open has disappeared after accusing a high ranking Communist
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Party official of sexual assault. The WPA WTA is demanding
to know what has happened to her. All stories, plus
that Kyle Rittenhouse jury continues deliberations. We will be breaking
all of that down for you. But first, Nancy Pelosi
is exulting after months of delay, they have passed the
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Build Back Better bill, and she says, Nancy Pelosi does
it's fully paid for, even though you and I and
everyone listening knows, even based on CBO estimates, that's a
full and complete lie. Bilback Better is fully paid for.
It reduces the deficit and grows the economy and bilback
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better will not increase inflation, according to the experts, including
an array of Nobel Prize winning economist and Moodiest also
Buck Nancy Pelosi said that the five hundred and fifty
billion dollars being spent on climate related issues is a
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religious thing for her. Listen to this. It's about healthcare
for our children, clean air, clean water. It's about jobs, jobs, jobs,
good paying union jobs, to keep us pre eminent in
green technologies throughout the world. You've heard me say it's
a national security issue as a national security advisors tell
us a competition for habitat and resources with drought and
(03:24):
rising sea levels, etc. Can cause a conflict, and of
course a moral obligation for us to hand this planet
over to the next generation a responsible way. For me,
it's a religious thing. I believe this is God's creation
and we have moral obligation to be good stewarts. But
if you don't share that view, you must share the
view that we have an obligation to future generation. Kind
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of say, how excited I am that Nancy Pelosi is
finally admitting what I've been saying about her and the
crazy Green New Deal Libs for as long as they've
been running aroun which is this is a she says,
a religious belief. I mean, I thought she said the
quiet part out loud. In a sense, this is an
ideologically driven It's not about making you wealthier, more prosperous,
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more free, happier. It's about saving the planet. Now, if
you live in a twenty million dollar mansion in the
San Francisco Bay area and you're worth seventy or eighty
million dollars, as Pelosi I believe, is something in that neighborhood.
You don't care about the price of gas, you don't
care about the price of inflation, and you certainly don't
care about what the Green New Deal items that are
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in this spending package will do to the cost of
everything around you, to the efficiency of everything around you.
And why, Clay, it's not about what's best for the people,
it's about what's best for the planet. Okay. I mean,
we don't use limousine liberal anymore because no one actually
drives around in limousines unless you want like a throwback
(04:55):
where you have to put the window down yourself. You know,
if you've used the old old school, cranked the prim
the window down. I guess private Jet progressive, this is
the ultimate and five hundred billion dollars going to Green
New Deal nonsense that is in this House version of
the bill. Yeah, And I was reading the Wall Street
Journal editorial this morning, Buck, and they say, you know,
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they did the Congressional Budget Office scoring, which proved it
wasn't paid for even under those metrics, But that this
bill because it's sunset provision for people out there who
you know, haven't really been following this closely. The way
Democrats got the cost down to one seven five or
whatever they're trying to claim is by pretending that these
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costs basically end in ten years. Less than that for
some of these provisions when you actually count them out ahead.
The Wall Street Journal says that it's going to cost
five trillion dollars. And now the big question is going
to be Buck, is Joe Mansion, maybe Kirsten Cinema, maybe
(05:59):
Hasten up and up in New Hampshire. People who are
under legitimate maybe Kelly out in Arizona, people who are
under legitimate danger of losing reelection in twenty twenty two.
Are they going to stand up to this bill. There's
talk of trying to get it passed officially in the
Senate by Christmas. But I wanted to share this data
(06:20):
with you. Joe Mansion right now in West Virginia has
a sixty percent approval rate. Joe Biden has a thirty
two percent approval rate. Seventy eight percent support Mansion on
the infrastructure bill, but seventy four percent of West Virginians
say Mansion should oppose the president's build back better plans.
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So is Mansion going to bend to the will of
the Democrats or is he going to be thinking about
his future potential reelection in twenty twenty four in West
Virginia and do what the vast majority of his constituency
wants him to do. The ironic part is that he
may by stripping out some of the most egregious as
(07:05):
part of the reconciling of the bills in the two House. Right,
so where the two parts of Congress. The House has
passed this thing very narrow by the way, two twenty
to two hundred and thirteen. So yeah, you know, you
should definitely transform the American economy and do something that
nobody on the right think should be done right now,
and a lot of people on the left even things
shouldn't be done when you have a whole seven seat
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majority in the House and not even a one seat
majority in the Senate. That seems like a logical place
to decide to change the American economy when way of
life with it. But Clay, I have to say, I
think that the Senate version of this is going to
strip out some so we don't know how much. Some
of it that will then be claimed is making it
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moderate in some way, and maybe Mansion will then go
along with it, and in doing so, by saving the
Democrats from some of the most excessive portions of it,
I think he'll be doing them a favor because people
are going to start to see as this thing rolls
out a no you know who's read it. Not even
the people are voting for it have read it. I mean,
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you look at some of the Wall Street Journal, some
of these analyzes. They're doing budgetary analysis of it. But
what does it really mean and what will it mean
for you guess that everybody inflation, which if it keeps
going up, will destroy the Biden presidency from a political perspective.
They'll have nothing left. They'll get wiped out in the
mid terms. He won't if inflation is really bad, Biden
(08:32):
won't even run for reelection. That actually that actually I
feel very confident in well, I'm not sure that well.
By the way, Biden is also getting a colonoscopy today,
and Kamala Harris is in charge for some small period
of time. But I can't imagine Kamala being the person
who's running. I simultaneously can't imagine Democrats, who accuse everybody
(08:56):
of being racist and sexist not nominating her given the
fact that she's the VP. But really, Buck, I believe
it's on December ninth, the next reading of inflation comes out,
and there's all these economists. You know, economists are pretty
worthless in many ways, right Buck. They're good at telling
you why something happened after it happened. But all of
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them are expressing shock, many of them over the fact
that inflation has skyrocketed like it has, and it doesn't
seem like it's gonna go away anytime soon. So I
think what's going to happen is we're gonna get that
reading in early December, and it's going to give Mansion
political cover to say we're not going to do anything
in the early part of this year. We'll take it
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into twenty twenty two. It turns into almost a continuation
of the Mansion effect after that election in Virginia where
Glenn Unkin won. I can assure everybody out there that,
if you didn't already know, Mansion after that whole thing
went down, was in a much strengthened position to push
back against the more left wing members of the Democrat
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Party who wanted him to go along with it. I
just think it's interesting play that Pelosi. Look, she gets
she gets the whip done, she pulls people together for
votes on very progressive, massive spending packages, but she doesn't
really you know, it's interesting she does this, and if
you look at history, I mean, look what happened last
time Pelosi went along with the huge spending package in
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the Obama administration. No less, heading into those mid terms
felt like a very different play. She's gonna retire, this
is her this is her swan song. I feel like
this is the thing that she's leaving right. It would
be stunning if she decides not to retire. To me,
I feel like they just never want to give it up,
you know, they the people that are at the levers
of power. This is something that you see play out
(10:44):
time and again. Look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden, is
he gonna be seventy nine tomorrow? I think I think
that's right, seventy nine years old tomorrow. I mean, how
many of you have a seventy nine year old relative that,
honestly you would want to put in now. You may
want that relative in charge of the country more than
Joe Biden or pretty much all of you have that,
But how many of you would say, you know what
the best person for the job is, my seventy nine
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year old relative. That person should be president of the
United States right now. And then when you have Kamala
Harris stepping in, even just for it's ceremonial, right, nothing's
going to happen today, but you could tell everyone goes.
I hope North Korea doesn't invade. You know, there's a
little bit of a concern here that if she had
to make a real decision, this is not who you
would would want to be to be doing that. So
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I think there's a legitimate concern there. Pelosi build back better.
I think that clay inflation will be there undoing. We
will have to see. We'll come back with more of
that in a moment. Also, it is open line Friday,
eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two. So
what do you think about all Clay, do we have
like a special question we want to post everybody there.
I just want to let it, let it rip, whatever,
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whatever's on the minds of the folks, whatever we're talking about.
We got so many different topics out there. I feel
like this rittenhouse jury entering into a fourth day of
deliberation is pretty crazy. That's stunning. And also, Buck, I wonder,
as you run into the weekend, if they were to
give a verdict now, is it actually worse right, because
(12:08):
then you have all these people who don't have jobs
they have with all these people who are riding don't
have jobs period, but they have even more free time
headed into the weekend. It feels like that's the worst
time for a verdict to come down. It would be sensible.
I've only been to Wisconsin recently that one time, but
I do know enough about it to know that you
kind of want that Wisconsin weather where you've got bicycles
forming from your nose. Yes, and you want that, and
(12:29):
you want a verdict at like ten am on a Monday,
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Welcome back to clay An Buck Show. I think you
try to answer that question every day, different adat detail,
a little bit of fact, a little bit of analysis.
But we're not the only ones. I think things aren't
going very well right now. That's obvious from the polling.
But even some Democrats are recognizing that the response to
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oh my gosh, inflations getting really bad should not be
let's spend more money in a non emergency spending bill
than at any time since the nineteen sixties, since the
creation effectively of the American welfare state. Let's not do
that right now. That's not going to help. Forget about
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whether that's the country we want to live in, and
whether we should become a European style welfare state, and
all the rest. I mean what I don't mean forget
about it. I mean just put it aside for a second.
What does it do to the economic challenges that we
see right now? And here's my buddy, Steve Rattner, Steve
not the other guy who wrote that off air that
(14:57):
I mentioned you earlier in the week, who's going around
This is a guy he's trying to raise the alarm
for Democrats by saying what you're doing is really bad. Now,
this is a guy who's a lib but he understands
the money. He understands a monetary policy. He was a
private equity guy, and unlike economists, he actually had to
be right or else he goes broke right. So he's
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a savvy, savvy guy about money. Here's what he says
about why Biden is unpopular. I think Afghanistan was a disaster.
It may well pass, but there's nobody in America pretty
much who thinks it was handled well. The border is
another huge problem that the public perceives to be a
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result of Biden encouraging people this idea that it was
going to be a different attitude than Trump and people
should come and try to cross the border. That's another
huge problem. He's basically cast himself as a transformational president,
one who's going to be LBJ and FDR are put together.
But the problem is he didn't really have a mandate
to do that. LBJ when he was president had a
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hundred and sixty nine seat majority in the House, and
he had sixty nine sentence seats, says Democrats, So he
actually had a mandated, absolutely correct analysis from an Obama
advisor everybody. I think one of the things that Obama
people are seeing is one they don't trust the competency
of Biden. But there was so much orange man bad
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associated with Trump, which all of us out there listening
right now know how unfair it was. But now that
Biden is in charge, there seems to be a rationality
in some parts of the Democratic Party returning that's an
imminently reasonable, rational analysis of the Joe Biden presidency. That's
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also devastating because it's coming from a rational member of
the Obama administration. And I think the Democratic Party has
gone so insane that you're starting to see people push
back now that Trump is out of office, and that's
why I think ultimately this civil war in the Democratic
Party is going to get exposed in twenty twenty two
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and also in twenty twenty four. I think that's absolutely right.
I think that they've got a huge problem here because
they have the left wing base that they need to
show us, but also for donations and enthusiasm and energy
and elections. They think this is their time. I think
that there are some of the Democrat Party who realize
the more of the American people figure out the Green
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New Deal, madness, the open border's agenda, these are not
popular ideas with most of America. That's why the Biden
administration pretends they don't want illegal immigration. That's why they
pretend they don't want to make guy A gas prices skyrocket,
right to make electricity companies based on cole Go bankrupt.
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Not guilty on all counts. Not guilty on accounts. Man,
it feels good to say it. Kyle Rittenhouse walks from
court right now, a free man because Kyle Rittenhouse did
nothing wrong. Welcome back to Clay and Buck Show. White
House is going to be making a statement on the
Rittenhouse verdict soon. Here we're following it all for you.
(19:19):
We do want to take a moment as our team
continues to watch all the Rittenhouse coverage here and again,
not guilty on all accounts. That's what you really need
to know, just announced a few moments ago. But we'll
come back to it. We'll tell you more about what's
happening here, what the White House is saying on it.
In the meantime, we have author of pandemia and please
go subscribe to his work on sub stack. Alex Barrenson
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with us now, Alex, appreciate it. Thank you, sir, Thank
you so much for having me so. I posed a
question to you via text. I want to ask you
about it now, Alex if I can, because it's it's
hard to believe some of what we're seeing right now.
This is from the Independent, a serious you k paper.
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It says in every age group over thirty in the UK,
the rates of COVID infection per one hundred thousand are
now higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. In ages
between forty and seventy nine, infection rates among the vaccinated
are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated.
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How is that possible, Alex? We were told this is
a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Well, you know, and this
is one reason I think the written verdict is so interesting.
You were lied to you know you were lied to
about who this guy was and why he was in Kenoshan,
all the rest of men you were lied to about.
(20:42):
You know, COVID. You've been lied to about many things,
and the thing you've been most recently lied to about
is about the vaccines and how well they work. And
that data is completely correct. You know, I talked about
it on Rogan about six weeks ago and it has
only gotten worse since then. And this is UK government.
This is not you know, your brother's cousin telling you
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that you know zinc works or something. This is this
is government data. They're counting cases. They The only difference
between the US and the UK is that we don't
really count cases. Okay, we both because our healthcare system
is so fractured and so problematic, and because the CDC
clearly does not want to collect this data, they haven't
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collected it. But in the UK the data is extremely clear.
There is no protection from infection or transmission. After a
few months, it just disappears. And we can argue about
the level of protection against severe disease and death, but
that clearly goes down. Also, whether it goes down to zero,
we don't really know. Although there's some evidence it trends
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that way. So thanks for coming on with us, Alex.
Where are we headed this winter based on the data
that you see right now? Well, I've been saying this
two guys for two months, you know, and I've said
to I don't like to make predictions about COVID because
COVID makes fools the people who try to predict it.
But it seemed very clear to me that we were
going to be headed back up again, and now we are.
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You know, we're over one hundred thousand cases a day
in the United States in the Northern States that Vermont
set is setting records. New York had its worth day
I think yesterday. In six months, you know, you can
very clearly see what's happening because it's happening. It happened
in the UK over the summer, when you know the
UK was the first place to vaccinate. It happened in
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along with Israel. It happens. It's happening right now in
central Europe that Germany and Austria are seeing incredible numbers
of cases. The only thing that's going to protect the
US is that we had work cases before. So there's
a number of people out there with natural immunity, and
you know, in our vaccination um sort of stopped and
it was more stop and start than Europe. So so
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the waning immunity is going to be a little bit
more stop and start too. But human biology is everywhere,
and we have every reason to expect that there's going
to be problems going forward. Now, how many people get hospitalized,
I don't know how many people die. It will likely
be less. And the people who you know have been
vaccine fanatics are going to try to give all the
credit to the vaccines for that. The vaccines may deserve
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some credit. Improvements in treatment may deserve some credit. Look,
I will give you one piece of good news, which
is it is possible that the fires are drug. Not
the fires are vaccine, but the fires are drug which
had very very good results in a clinical trial, so
good that the trial was stopped early a few weeks ago,
are about ten days ago. That may actually begin to
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alter the course of the epidemic when it is approved. Okay,
it will not be the vaccines. It will be this drug.
And I really need to write a substect about this.
I'm working on one. I spoke to a really smart
doctor who's not political, but he said, in his view,
COVID is over when this drug is approved. So it
seems to me that if we get to a point
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where it's clear the vaccines don't really prevent transmission very well,
if I mean, I believe you said really at all
after a certain period, but they clearly don't prevent transmission
very well. And if the real closest thing to a
silver bullet we have isn't the vaccine, but is treatment
for anybody who gets COVID via this pill and whatever
other modalities are used, then then what's the rationalization for
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our vaccine mandates and also for us just not going
back to living our normal lives and if someone gets
really sick, they go get the COVID pill. The rationalization
of that. Tony Fauci has been telling you for eighteen
months that this is a disaster that vaccines are going
to solve, Okay, and he won't admit he was wrong.
And this guy, by the way, this doctor who was
around at a during HIV during the beginning of HIV,
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pointed something out to me that no one has ever
said to me before. And I don't think the point
has been made. The Fauci gets blamed for a lot
of things for the early days of HIV. People say, well,
there was a drug AVT to kill people, and he
refused to admit that. This guy said, forget that, like
that's all sort of political. The truth is, the big
mistake Fauci made very early in HIV was from eighty
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two to eighty seven. He wanted to bolster people's immune systems. Okay,
he thought that that was going to cure HIV. A
vaccine would cure HIV even if you got infected, it
would bolster your immune system. That was wrong. The Age
activists said, Tony, we were healthy before all this happened.
It's not about our immune systems failing. It's about this
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virus destroying us. You need to focus on the virus
and get anti virals out there. And guess what. That's
exactly how it has played out with COVID. He's wanted
to he's wanted to come up with a vaccine, and
it looks like the vaccines actually don't really work very well.
And this drug, which targets the virus, not trying to
bolster your immune system, directly attacking the virus maybe what
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gets us out of this. It's amazing history. You know,
the joke, it is not a joke. It's the same
history doesn't repeat itself, but it ryme. Tony Fauci will
not admit that he's wrong, you know, And the Biden
administration has staked you know, they're so dumb they think that,
you know, people are hiding their homes because of COVID,
when sixty percent the country just wants to forget all
(26:14):
about it. But their base, you know, they spent eighteen
months scaring them. They cannot figure out how to drive
out of this ditch. It's it's a great point that
they basically got elected by claiming that Biden was going
to solve COVID, and now COVID has been worse in
twenty twenty one in terms of death than it was
in twenty twenty. You'd think they'd acknowledge maybe politics isn't
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the way to deal with this. But question for you, Alex,
There's always been a shifting blame. It's the people who
are unvaccinated. It's the people who's not wearing masks, they
aren't social distancing well enough. What is going to be
the blame now this winter that the Biden administration is
going to try to sell I mean lack of boosters.
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You can see it in Europe it will be. They'll
still try to blame the unvaccinated, which I mean they're
doing in Austria and Germany even though those countries have
higher vaccination rights in the US. At Portugal, by the way,
Portugal is, you know, this country that's been held up
as the shining barometer of getting everybody vaccinated. They're going
back up the curve. So yeah, I think they're gonna blame.
They're gonna say, you know what, we do need to
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mask again, and these stupid unvaccinated people they won't mask,
and now nobody wants to mask. We do need boosters.
It's all about you know, Alex Perienceon and Klay Saxton
and Tucker Carlson, Buck Saxon, A Klay Travis and Tucker
Carlson and Joe Rogan. It's those guys. It's just nonsense, Okay,
the virus, it doesn't matter what you do. A month ago,
(27:39):
The Atlantic wrote a story about how great Germany was doing.
Now Germany has more cases than they have ever had.
Everyone's getting infected with this. They're getting infected with it
either before or after they've been vaccinated, period, end of story.
Most of us will be just fine. Now, thankfully, it
looks like we have a drug that might actually helped too.
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Plus we have the monoclone on anybody's so we just
need to accept this. We need to stop with the mandates. Fortunately,
this country seems to have a little bit more you know,
tradition of individual liberty. It looks like they're not going
to be able to force these mandates through. But if
you look at what's happening in Europe, they are seriously
talking about separating vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It is so insane, Alex, Absolutely,
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it is that pill. What is the status of the
of the Fiser pill? So Fiser has filed for an
EUA for it now you know it Based on that,
I think it could be approved by your end. The
vaccine you know, has approved that quickly, and the data
on the pill is better than the data on vaccine ones. M.
There's also a murk pill, but that pill is more
problematic because it can actually it's called the mutagen, it
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can actually cause DNA alterations, so so that one is
not as good. The Fiser pill looks better. All right, Alex,
We're gonna have you back on man, because this is
not going away anytime soon. And thanks to look like it. Yeah,
thanks for being right again. By the way, as much
as we're all getting booted off with Twitter and all
this other stuff, just talking to Barrenston, you are marked
by social media, but we stand beside you, sir. Thank you,
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and check out Pandemia, which is his book on Subscribe
to Alex's substack, which I get every day. Alex, thanks
so much. There we go, Thank you everybody. Thank you.
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Welcome in final hour of the week. I am Clay Travis.
He is fuck Sexton and we were about to be
joined by Jim Jordan, Congressman from Ohio. But for many
(31:16):
of you out there who may have been busy about
your day, we had major breaking news just over an
hour ago, Kenosha, Wisconsin. The jury rendered their verdict in
the Kyle Rittenhouse case. This is what it sounded like.
The first count of reafformation Joseph defendant Kyle H. Rittenhouse
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not guilty as to the second count of the information
Richard McInnis. We the jury find the defendant Kyle H.
Rittenhouse not guilty as to the third count of the
information unknown mail. We the jury find the defendant Kyle H.
Rittenhouse not guilty as to the fourth count of the information.
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Anthony Hubert Queena Jury find the defendant Kyle H. Brittenhouse
not guilty as to the fifth count of the information
Gage Cross Queena Jury find the defendant Kyle A. Kyle H.
Brittenhouse not guilty, not guilty on all five counts. We
bring in now Congressman Jim Jordan from the Great State
(32:21):
of Ohio. Congressman, were you watching What was your reaction
when you saw and or heard about this verdict. I
was not watching I was I was on a plane.
But when since at landed, I got information from our office.
My reaction is God bless America. Our system works, due
process works. This is a win for freedom. This is
(32:41):
a win for for facts, for truth, This is a
win for the Second Amendment. I mean this is this
is good for our country. Where that jury was not intimidated. Um,
they looked at the facts, they looked at the evidence,
and you know, if that wasn't self defense, what is
what is so um? No, I think this is this
is good for our great system in our great country.
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There's also a lot of people in Congress, the President
of the United States who already prejudged Congressman. We played
a clip of a lot of people in media calling
him a murderer, a school shooter, seventeen year old, vigilante,
teenage domestic terrorists, deeply racist, murderer. What does it say
about them to have this jury repudiate all of their
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attacks upon written House. No, I think it says. What
it says is this is how good our country is,
because in spite of that, the jury got to the truth.
I see this much like this other issue that that Frankly,
you're involved in this issue where the Department of Justice
is trying to chill the speech of parents, and they're
trying to force their beliefs on the country, and regular
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moms and dads are saying, no, you're not, You're not
going to do that. And the folks in Wisconsin in
that courtroom on that jury said no, you're not. We're
going to do what the facts say, what the truth says.
I see this as such a positive and I think
there's a there's a change happening. Clay. I said this
when Merrick Garland was in front of our committee. I said,
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your actions when you tried to treat parents as as
domestic terrorists, and when we may get in that, but
I said, it is a catalyst. It's the last straw.
It is the start of a reawakening in this country
for freedom, for liberty, for the principles that make our
country the best. And you're seeing it happen and it
is so darn encouraging. Hey, Congressman Jordan, it's buck And
(34:31):
I just want to follow up on the attitude as well.
I mean, there's the FBI that you know put out
the stuff. I mean, the Merrick Garland ag letter and
now the FBI according to that whistleblower complaint. I saw
that letter, we read some of it on air that
you put out about using terrorism tags for concerned parents.
(34:51):
I mean, this is dystopian level insanity. But it's very
clear that there really is a sentiment among the left
in this country that parents should just shut up. I mean,
here's a piece on NBC News that just went up
in last twenty four hours and an opinion piece. But
here's part of it. Parents think they have the right
to control teaching and learning because their children are the
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ones educated. It's sort of like entering a surgical unit
thinking you can interfere with an operation because the parent
is your child. Wow. I hope every Democrat across America
takes that approach going into these mid terms. Yeah. No, no,
But when when they think we're all deplorables, when they
think we're all racist, these elite people, when they when
(35:33):
they when that's their view, that then they take this
crazy attitude. But it is not going to play well.
And we saw that in Virginia. We're seeing that across
the country. And understand this too. I don't think this.
The more I've looked at this, and the facts now
begin to come out. Remember we have news reporting that
the school board Association before the initial letter was sent
on September twenty ninth, before that letter was even sent
(35:55):
the White House, in the school Board Association, we're talking, so,
I don't think. And then, of course, five days later
after they send the letter, Merritt Garland does his memo,
and then we get this email that comes sixteen days
later out to FBI agency and put this threat tag,
this terrorist tag on parents. I don't think it really
started with the school boards. I think that the letter
was just the pretext. I think this came from the government.
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I think this is the Biden administration working with the
Garland DOJ saying we don't like parents pushing back on anything,
so we're going to chill their speech with this, but
we're going to have to have something to be the catalyst,
so it's going to be this letter. I think it
went that way. I think it was the government using
the letter as a pretext to go after parents. What
they didn't count on, what they didn't understand, is the
pushback they were going to get from moms and dads,
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and that again, that is what is so darned encouraging
about all this. We're talking to Jim Jordan, congressman from Ohio.
He's got a new book out, Do what you said
you would do fighting for freedom in the Swamp. We
don't know what the fallout is going to be in Kenosha,
whether there might be people who try to riot as
a result of the not guilty charges. What should the
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state of Wisconsin do to protect the people and the
small business owners this time in Kenosha that they didn't
do back in August which led to these charges against
Scott written now, so, yeah, great, great, great point. I mean,
they should have the National Guard out. I think my
understanding is that's what what they're doing. And also leaders,
the mayor, the governor, uh, members of Congress, members of
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the Senate, leaders in the government should be standing up
and saying, look, this is how our great system works.
You all saw the fact. Just just be a leader
for goodness sake. That that's what That's what's needed that frankly,
that's what needed in the White House right now, is
someone who will actually lead and talk about the things
that need to be talked about instead of just catering
to the to the left as we see Biden do,
(37:42):
but be leaders and minderstanding. The clay is that um,
the governor there has has got the National Guard called out,
So I think that that's that's obviously the right move.
Congress and Jordan. You know, the Build Back Better Bill,
a lot of bees has been voted through the House,
Nancy Pelosi pushing it all the way by what was
(38:02):
the vote just it was a handful two twenty to
two thirteen today. How much of it is going to
get changed? Do you think? I know that we're asking
you to kind of think about what they're doing across
the hall in the center side, but how much? And
the bigger point, the bigger question really is how big
a deal is this going to be for those of
us who are worried about inflation, drags on economic growth
(38:23):
and the growth of government overall. It's just going to
exacerbate the message that Biden administration and Democrats running all
the federal government, the messag they've created in just ten months,
it's only going to make it worse. We know that. Now,
Let's hope mansion and send them a hold firm. I mean,
they've said they want changes and everything else, but they
haven't said therefore, So I hope this thing doesn't pass, obviously,
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because it's not just a number. It's not just the spending.
I mean, that's bad enough. A couple of more train
dollargy on. They're already crazy spinning that they've done. It's
the policy. It's it's the left wing energy policy, and
that it's going to make gas prices go up even more.
It's the tax increases. I mean, you think about the
Democrats economic planets, and just the other day, the Democrats
economic plan is basically lockdown the economy, spend like crazy,
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pay people not to work, and then for everyone has
been working, they're getting ready to raise your taxes. Such
a deal. So this is how crazy this all is.
I hope it doesn't pass. But for the President of
the United States a few weeks ago say if you
pass this, if you spend two tray more, it will
help inflation. There is not a rational, sane person on
(39:26):
this planet who believes that. Why the president of our
country would say something like that is beyond me. So again,
let's let's hope Senator's mansion and sent them on stay no,
and this thing doesn't ever, doesn't ever become law. Kyle
Rittenhouse not guilty. Congressman, You've got the Steel dossier officially
total crap, as you've been arguing for years that it was.
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You have inflation skyrocketing, the border is a disaster. Is
this a turning point for moderate meat, middle of the
road people to recognize how much the media has been
lying to them? I mean I talked to a lot
of people, Congressman, I know you do too, the amount
of just flat out wise that we're out there about
(40:12):
Rittenhouse versus what was actually proven at the court hearing
at the case. I mean it, I think it red
pilled a lot of people out there that otherwise hadn't
been paying a lot of attention. Yeah, no, I mean
Donald Trump colluded with Russia. Donald Trump's kids were going
to prison. Kyle Rittenhouse was the terrorist, was was went
out looking for to assault people and kill me. I mean,
(40:36):
all lies, all based on no no no evidence, no
facts behind those claims made by the press. It it
got so bad the Washington Post had to go back
and say, well, we're gonna make corrections in our stories
about the Trump Russia situation. That whole shar raised that
they so Yeah, the American people get it now. They
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American people have common sense. They understand that they were
fed a bunch of loney by the left wing press.
They understand that the Democrat Party is now controlled by
the hard left, and they're saying time out, Timeout again.
The first sign was Virginia the first time, and I
think that's only going to pick up. There's a reason
(41:17):
why seventy one percent of our fellow citizens think the
country's own the wrong track. I mean, because it is.
It is on the wrong track. But Americans are going
to turn it around. And again I've said this a
couple of times, but you can see it happening, and
it's so encouraging, and it's it's what we all sort
of instinctively know about our fellow citizens, about this great country.
Americans get it right, and you're seeing that now start
(41:38):
to play out. We're Congressman Jim Jordan, wishing to you
the best of luck here on your book coming out
on Tuesday. Do what you said you would do fighting
for freedom in the swamp Coson Jordan. Always good to
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