Daily Review with Clay and Buck - May 9 2022

Violent Leftists Threaten SCOTUS Justices at Their Homes, Disrupt Catholic Masses. Former Clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas, Carrie Severino, Gives Her Perspective on the Court. We Were on the Right Side of History With Covid. Allie Beth Stuckey, host of the podcast "Relatable," on the Baby Formula Shortage.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody, so the Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show on this Monday. It's great of
you to join from all over the country and for
our digital listeners perhaps all over the world. We've got
a lot going on over the weekend. We'll dive in
here momentarily to the protests, which I gotta say are

(00:24):
quite clearly intended to intimidate Supreme Court justices outside of
their own homes. Mobs have gathered, and we'll discuss what's
going on with that. The White House doing a little
bit of a walk back on it's fine. People are
just passionate to realize that that's way beyond what you
can claim if you're going to say you're all for

(00:46):
civil discourse. Really, because they're threatening Supreme Court justices and
this White House was essentially complicit in that by refusing
to condemn it. We'll discuss what this is likely to
turn into. Plus, the baby formula shortage across America right now,
it's a big deal and people are really parents, moms

(01:07):
are really getting desperate because they can't find baby formula anywhere.
The price is up dramatically, and this comes against a
backdrop of the Biden administration, supply chain issues, inflation at
a forty year high, the stock market getting crushed again today,
all the gains essentially wiped out from Biden's presidency to now.

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So if you've had your money sitting there, if you've
got a four oh one K, you got an IRA,
you're looking to retire soon. It's rough out there. And
it turns out that the Fauciites and the people who
pushed for lockdowns, the massive spending which did nothing positive.
I have to remember that not only was it extremely negative,

(01:50):
pushed all kinds of people into despair, into suicide, destroyed businesses,
People got fired from their jobs for not getting the shot.
We had to stand six apart outside and the freezing
cold in New York City to go in and get groceries.
I mean, the idiotic stuff we were all put through.
None of it was worthwhile, none of it was good.
And Fauci is out there getting an honorary doctrine. Bill

(02:13):
Gates is walking around saying, yeah, you know, I guess
we kind of didn't understand that it really wasn't that dangerous.
As a virus to younger people, which is a huge lie.
Steam actually comes out of Clay's ears when he sees
that clip, by the way, like he actually do it,
really does it. We start to lose our minds over here.
But let's just start with this because Clay, there's a
legal component of this that I wanted to get to.

(02:35):
First off, here's what it sounds like. If you were
to say, over the weekend, walk past, if you're a
neighbor of Justice Brett Cavita on Virginia, here's what you
we're hearing. It's interesting on so many levels. One is,

(03:02):
I mean, Clay, they're not trying to make it. They're
not going to convince Justice Cavanaugh of the constitutionality of
abortion by shrieking like morons on his front lawn. It's
meant to be a threat. That's one part of it.
And the other part of this is it's actually not
legal to do this under Virginia law. There is a
statutory you cannot gather and protest at someone's home and

(03:24):
essentially disrupt the peace. But the police aren't doing anything. Yeah,
this is one where I think, regardless of your politics, Democrat, Republican, independent, indifferent,
the idea that you should be able to show up
outside of someone's house in a neighborhood and scream at them.
And you talked about this last week, Buck, the fact
that you lived in Washington, DC, where people were doing

(03:45):
this outside of your apartment building, not at you, but
at other people. I just fundamentally reject this, and I
think the overwhelming majority of the American public does too,
regardless of their politics, which is why we got this
sort of awkward tweet that I thought Jensaki had already
retired by the way as Press secretary because she has

(04:05):
introduced her air apparent but the White House this morning
early on Monday, I'll read this, this came from Jensaki.
Podas strongly believes in the constitutional right to protest, but
that should never include violence, threats, or vandalism. Just perform
an incredibly important function in our society. They must be

(04:28):
able to do their jobs without concern for their personal safety.
So to me, this feels they're not directly saying don't protest,
but it feels like a fig leaf, because Buck, what
I'm concerned about is what we started talking about, being
concerned about the moment this Justice Alito opinion leaked, which
is violence ensuing, and one of the Supreme Court justices

(04:49):
that is right now in a five to four majority,
being targeted for violence. And if you watch those videos
and you saw those protests over the weekend in the Washington,
DC area outside of Supreme Court Justice Holmes, you could
easily see buck how that could turn violent, how somebody
could bring a molotov cocktail like they did. They got

(05:10):
thrown I believe it was in Was it in Wisconsin
where that thing got thrown over the weekend? Buck into
a into a anti abortion clinic? Yes, it was in
Wisconsin because they weren't doing it good. This was a no.
I believe this was a Yes. It was an anti
abortion group in Wisconsin. And it said if abortions aren't safe,

(05:32):
you aren't either, was what they wrote on the walls.
That is a threat in leadrect threat in moral terms,
that is for you. And I think they're aware that
this is a really bad look for them. And look,
the politics of this potential Supreme Court case are more
complicated than most people want to acknowledge. But standing outside

(05:53):
of elected officials homes and screaming at them not to
mention while carrying the signs that they were the groups
were acting in that way. That doesn't reflect well on Democrats.
And I think again, this is a little bit of
a fig leaf, because they remember over last week they
refused to condemn the idea when all these Supreme Court
justices were having their home addresses circulated and it was

(06:15):
being announced that they were going to be protest at
their homes. And by the way, this goes across the board,
if if conservatives suddenly didn't like a decision that the
Supreme Court put out. I think that protesting in residential
areas in front of justice's homes is just flat out wrong, period,
And that is a content neutral position that I believe

(06:37):
the overwhelming majority of the American public agrees with. I'm
sure you saw as well. A lot of people listening
certainly saw that there were these and to call them
protests is actually to dignify them more than they deserve,
because there was true lunacy on display at Catholic churches,
including here in New York on Mother's Day, where you
had activists. Yeah, you probably saw some of the video.

(06:58):
I mean, there was one activists who was saying, I
want to kill the baby, screaming I want to kill
the babies of the Catholic Church. And I just want
to say to the left wing pro abortion base, keep
it up, keep keep showing up in churches and Catholic churches,
destroying the piece of that service, showing disrespect to the parishioners,
because a lot of people are watching, including Latino voters who,

(07:21):
as we've all been talking about those recent polls, fifty
two percent in the most recent polling that's out there
at the national level, fifty two percent support for the
GOP among Latinos, thirty nine percent for Democrats. And that's NPR,
by the way, Buck, that's not some you know, right
wing organization that is doing that poll. That's the NPR
poll showed Hispanics plus thirteen. To put that in context,

(07:45):
white voters were plus nine Republicans. So if that is accurate,
Hispanics have become more Republican in the past several years,
then white voters have one of the you know, I'm
of two minds of this, Clay, because as we get
closer and closer to the actual mid terms. On the
one hand, there's a part of me that is encouraged
by the fact that the Democrats have not made a

(08:05):
single adjustment. Really, that shows me they're serious about trying
to limit the damage of these mid terms to them.
They have not made a pivot where I go, oh,
they're they're going to try to convince everybody they're not
as crazy. But then there's also this part of me,
as things are getting crazy out there on this Row
issue with these activists and the threats and the going

(08:27):
after Supreme Court justices and the leak of the Supreme
Court draft decision, that they'll cheat and they'll intimidate and
they'll actually fight dirty. Right, So, on the one hand,
I see they're not making the intelligent political moves you'd
need to win fair and square. On the other hand,
I realize, oh, so is this going to be some
kind of a COVID play going into the falling? You know,

(08:48):
there's they're gonna try something because policy wise, they're hitting
the gas pedal as they're getting closer to the cliff on. Yeah,
that's it. That's a good description. On Friday, they they
came out and said, hey, we may have a hundred
million new COVID cases in the fall and winter. Now
they're trying to make that argument if they don't get
still more dollars for COVID. But I read that and

(09:13):
I thought they are laying the groundwork again, buck for
unlimited mail in voting, for unlimited absentee ballots, for abilities
to get ballots into the election tally that otherwise would
not have been allowed or considered to be appropriate, just

(09:34):
like they did in twenty twenty. Now we can talk
about what the tally is and whether it's legitimate, and
whether eighty one million people voted for Joe Biden or not. Right,
But the reality was the biggest part of the rigged
election was big tech to me, and the change in
the voting rights so that you could get all these

(09:55):
mail drops, so that everything was changed, and they did
that predicated on COVID. A lot of people thought there's
no way they can make the argument for that again
in November of twenty twenty two. We're then two and
a half years into COVID, and yet when they're coming
out and saying they may have a hundred million new
cases in the fall in winter, it's hard for me

(10:19):
to not think that is laying the groundwork for this
to happen all over again. This is the only thing
that makes sense what you're discussing where you're describing here,
where there's some strategy, there's going to be a dishonest
strategy to try to at least limit the annihilation that
seems to be coming for the Democrats. Because let's just
take a moment, a moment, a step back, right now,

(10:42):
look at this Biden administration. You got record high inflation,
all right, and there's nothing usually, you know, Clay, as
you and I know from doing this, there's usually well,
what would the Democrats say on the other side, right,
They'll have their fusillade, so forward, their fusillade of talking
points to support their side. We could sit here and
talk about eight point five percent inflation, highest in forty years,

(11:04):
worst war in Europe since World War Two, and the
real prospect of a nuclear exchange if it keeps going
in certain directions, Baby formula shortages, stock market absolutely tanking,
people's four O one case getting crushed, low labor market participation,
any wage increases getting wiped out by inflation. I know,
well what am I king going? I mean, the murder

(11:25):
rates skyrocketing, police under siege, the border at its worst
level maybe in the history of our southern border ever,
existing with Mexico, going almost all the way back to
when we actually had a war with Mexico in eighteen
thirty six. Honestly, when you talk about the issues on
either side of the border right now, it's almost impossible

(11:46):
to point to anything, which is why Buck they've already
tried to move beyond the Supreme Court over ruling Roe v.
Way to say gay marriage is at stake, contraception is
at stake, your ability to have kids who are gay
go to classrooms. They're trying to follow that down the
slippery slope because really, I think all they're gonna have
is arguing cultural issues, But I don't know that that

(12:09):
motivates people to get out and vote. When we're talking
about an economy in the tank like it is right now,
they're desperate to mobilize their base in any way they can.
I don't even I think they're almost writing off independence.
I think this is just going to turn into for
Democrats a base turnout operation with mail in balloting under
some bs COVID excuse, and they're just going to try

(12:31):
to hold on into the blue areas as much as
they possibly can and realize that in what could happen
to turn that we're in May. I mean, it's you know,
it's gonna be junior in a matter of a couple
of weeks. So you're in the summer period, right before
the midterms. It's gonna get back. Joe Biden's gonna give
some great speeches. I mean, they're lucky of people are

(12:53):
going to tune out in the summer. And honestly, Buck,
there's even an argument that the leak of this opinion,
in the event it comes out, is actually going to
spread out the reaction, so you don't get that massive
immediate you know, because imagine if the Supreme Court comes
out at ten am on some random Wednesday and overturns
Roe v. Wade, and there was no real indication that

(13:15):
it might legitimately happen beforehand. It's it's a five alarm
fire going off. Now, even that anger is likely to
I think recede and moderate in the six weeks. Now,
that's presuming that we don't get which I hope we don't,
a true act of violence directed towards the Court, which
is my fear, particularly with these protests going on and

(13:35):
everything else. But if we get the normal release, which
would have happened when in late June, right as we
get ready for July fourth. If we get the normal
release of this opinion, then I think even that is
going to fade into the summer, and then by the
fall everything has fallen apart with the economy. It's gonna
be hard to argue anything matters. Like James Carville said

(13:56):
back in nineteen ninety two, it's the economy stupid. This
is an economic election in twenty twenty. I'm just worried.
I think everything, all of that analysis, I think is
spot on. I just think that they're my anxiety. My
concern over them fighting over the commies, fighting dirty, is
getting higher and higher, because that's gonna be the I

(14:17):
just think they're only a play. That's the only play.
I don't I don't see another play for them at
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through the Monday edition of the program. Joined now by
Carrie Savarino. She's Judicial Crisis Networks president and a former
clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas. So, Carrie, you have been
a Supreme Court clerk, and I went to law school,
but I was nowhere near smart enough to be a

(15:44):
Supreme Court clerk. So you will know and understand to
an unbelievable degree. What was your reaction when you saw
news that this Alito draft opinion had leaked? How stunning
was it contextual wise it for us for those of
us who will not have experienced what being a clerk

(16:04):
and working at the Supreme Court is like, Yeah, that
was utterly jaw dropping to see not just even a
leak about Hey, we think this is what the votes are,
this is the direction of going. But like an entire
draft opinion as circulated, the Justice is so much though that,
like other clerks I know said, they just they literally said,
this have to be a fake. There's no way it

(16:24):
could be real, because that would never happen. So until
the Chief Justice confirmed it, they were like, nope, can't
I I just don't believe it. When we were when
I was clerking, it was like you could not have
ever left the building with a piece of paper like that,
And the only thing you could I could take out,
like if I wanted to do work at home in
the evening with the filings and the things that had
been already publicly filed for the court, so I could
do my background reading. But that's it. Any intern documents

(16:47):
never left the building in you know, paper form, in
digital form, nada. So the idea and you know, well
Congress is always leaking and the White House is always leaking.
The Supreme Court, it just doesn't happen. Thinking about it,
like Bush versus Gore, most controversial case. Yeah, certainly that decade,
probably in many decades, very tense. I heard clerks were

(17:08):
like literally getting into fights, like physical fights over how
upset they were about this case. And we didn't have
a draft opinion for that, did We didn't. I don't
even think we had a like here's what the vote's
going to be leak. So this is completely novel for
the Supreme Court to have something like this, and I
think it's going to be a long time, if ever,
that the Court and their internal processes can recover from

(17:31):
something like this, let alone the threats to the justices
that have been triggered by this type of league, Carrie.
So immediately when the league happens, a lot of us
out there start trying to analyze who the leaker might be.
And it's informed speculation to a certain degree, but nowhere
near like what I imagine the Supreme Court clerk text

(17:52):
chains were like, how would you assess where this leak
was likely to come from. What did you and your
former Supreme Court clerk colleagues think in terms of analyzing
this when you saw the story so well, Our immediate
assumption is this has got to be a leak from
one of the liberal clerks. I think a lot of
people assume that maybe someone like a clerk injustice, so

(18:14):
to my Oris Chamber, because she seems to particularly you know,
on fire about this issue and just perceived as being
a little more political than some of the others, but
obviously not based on any real information. Just like, wow,
this seems what the kind of thing they might do.
And I think you saw people on the right and
the left presuming that this was a liberal clerk leaking
it in order to try to impact the court, in

(18:36):
order to try to trigger exactly the types of protests
that we're seeing right now in the hopes of impact
the justices. And I think that's maybe a nice way
putting it. I would say, more threatening and intimidating the
justices if it's coming from that side, because there's the
difference between an opinion being leaked before it comes out
and afterwards it's not This is not just people saying

(18:57):
I'm really upset about this. It's trying to say they're
upset about it in a way that will influence the
justice is to change their opinion, whether that's based on
just purely seeing outrage or based on the implicit threat
that that come of, like protesting and set in front
of someone's private residence. Hey Carrie, it's buck. You know,
the statutes pretty clear on this. This is not legal

(19:18):
what they are doing, and I'm wondering what the explanation
is for why this is allowed to continue. My understanding,
it's not illegal. It's not legal under Virginia state law,
and also on the federal side judicial tampering. I mean,
think about it this way. If if there was a
drug dealer, let's say, who was facing life in prison,
you know, a drug kingpin, and he had ten of

(19:41):
his guys standing outside of the judge's home waving signs
saying you know, you better watch out. Every would say, well,
that's judicial intimidation. Why isn't this judicial intimidation? Well? I
really think it is. I mean, what can the kind
of stuff that's going on here is it is not
just limited to hey, we want to you know, express

(20:02):
that we're annoying your opinion. It's we want you to
change your vote, and that is effect attempting to affect
the direction of the court. And that again is assuming, Um,
you know, I think the best of motive because it
worst case scenario. I mean, we've we've heard that Justice
Alito had not is not returning to his home and
is relocated to a different secure location. I mean, this

(20:25):
is really disturbing. And what's even more disturbing is seeing
the response from the White House and their refusal to
condemn the idea of justices uh protesting at the private
residences of these justices, some of whom have young children, right, So,
I mean, this is this is a really outrageous thing. Um.

(20:45):
You know, over the weekend there were so much outraged
that I think they tried to walk it back a
little bit. They still they said, well, of course, we
want them to just be peaceful and and no not
no threat or anything. It took them four days to
even say that much before they were just like, oh,
these is they're very passionate, like let's let's let the protest.
I think there's absolutely a place for protesting, for making
your voice heard, but that place is in the public sphere,

(21:08):
in front of the Supreme Court, in front of you know,
things like that, not in front of someone's private home.
We're talking to Kerry Savarino, Judicial Crisis Network President, former
Clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas. Okay, Kerry, So if you
had a magic wand and you could waive it right now,
we don't know what Chief Justice Roberts is going to do.

(21:28):
Right now. It's a five to four it appears majority.
Should they expedite the release of this opinion? Given the
danger that may be out there for the conservative clerk,
the conservative justice is also probably the conservative clerks, and
the overall atmosphere surrounding the Supreme Court is that the
wrong decision. Should Chief Justice Roberts join on to keep

(21:50):
this from being a five to four decision? You have
a magic wand what's the best way to restore some
form of credibility and normalcy to the court in the
wake of this leak? Wow, If I've got a magic wand,
let's make it nine zero while we're at right. But
you know, I think so the tip Justice is said,
I don't want to do anything differently because of the leak,

(22:10):
But I think that's that's a miss, you know, I
think that's a misconception of what's going on here. I
think you shouldn't change your vote because of a league.
I am absolutely in favor of that, but I think
under the circumstances, you know, the Court, the Court can
expedite opinions when they recognize there's a serious reason to
do so. They did that with the Texas Heartbeat bill

(22:30):
that got opinion, came out in like fifty days, which
is lightning fast for a significant Supreme Court decision to
come out. They clearly put some you know, put the
heat on and and and got that out. They could
do that here, especially because we know there's already a
complete draft. Now we don't know, there could have easily
we're talking about months in between February when this was

(22:51):
passed around to the justices and maybe when it was leaked,
so there they already could have made a lot of
you know edits in between, there could have been justice
and saying, hey, let's you what they can ask for
anything from like I'd rather phrase this differently or move
this comma to hey let's add this argument or take
out this one. So we don't really know what the
current version the justices are working at with but I
would say, guys, get your act together, get that signed.

(23:14):
As long as once all five justices sign on, they
could theoretically release it even if the Descent wasn't ready.
They could say, okay, you know what, the discenting opinions
is going to come out when they're when the number
of justices or in the descent are all agreed on it,
or they could they could lean on those justices, especially
since their colleagues are actually being put I think, in
physical danger as a result of this. I would hope

(23:36):
that all the justices would say, you know what, let's
let's put this to the top of our pile, get
this done right now, and get it out and then um,
you know, some of that pressures off. There's still going
to be people outraged about the opinion. Frankly, whatever ends
up happening with it, it's not going to be one
of those opinions that just yeah, carried. How concerned are
you that we could actually see a flip and that

(23:57):
it would go five four in the other direction and
actively the league and pressure campaign and threats would have
been successful. Well, you know what, I hope, and I
really do think that the nature of how how outrageous
this was for the justices would um would fortify this

(24:18):
mind of any who are who are considering. You know
that maybe maybe this kind of outrage would be something
that I would not want to see. Maybe they maybe
they didn't want to see. And I think none of
the justices wanted to see want to see this type
of activity. But um, I would hope this would never
be something that would make them switch their votes. Now
we know they have life tenure under the Constitution specifically
to allow them to have that independence to not have

(24:40):
to be looking at the outside effects. Although obviously you
know when you have actual threats and things that that
changes that whether you got life tenure or not, right,
But um, but I would hope that they would they
would be able to stay firm. Again, I would love
it if the Chief Justice said, you know what I'm
going to I'm going to join this opinion just to
make the points that I'm I'm gonna not gonna be

(25:01):
bullied by by these things. And I think recognizing too
that he's not trying trying to uphold row is simply
not legally plausible. If you're off holding the missip lot
as well, it's just completely at odds with that decision.
You have kind of have to take one or the other,
and he's trying to have it both ways. Sounds like
Chief Justice Roberts unfortunately. But Kerry Savarino, everybody, Judicial Crisis

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right now at your leisure and Buck, we were rights
on probably the most consequential decision of the twenty first century,
which was, how do we respond to COVID in this country.

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Give me a massive number of people that are out
there listening to us, And unfortunately, as we have continued
to discuss the fallout of the wrongheaded decisions by the
lockdown crowd, by people who wanted to shut down schools,
by the people who insisted that you wear masks everywhere,
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kids in New York City are forced to continue to
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ballot box. But also the reckoning needs to happen in
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(28:42):
not a necessarily outlet that you would anticipate would be
coming out with this study, and the one that I'm
referencing today just came out got a lot of attention
so far. This morning. Harvard did a study and into
education and the impact of Locke downs and remote learning,
that oxymoron of remote learning, and they found that gaps

(29:05):
in quote, math achievement by race and school poverty, which
skyrocketed all over the country, predominantly in blue states, didn't
widen in school districts like Florida and Texas that mostly
kept schools open, two biggest red states in the country,
Florida and Texas. And I'm reading directly from their study. Interestingly,

(29:31):
gaps in math achievement did not widen in school districts
in Texas and Florida where schools remained in person, gaps
did not widen. This is racial and socioeconomic gaps. Where
schools shifted to remote learning, gaps widened sharply. Shifting to
remote instruction was like turning a switch on a critical

(29:53):
piece of our social infrastructured we'd taken for granted. Our
findings imply public tools truly are the balance wheel of
social machinery, and that that was broken by our COVID responses. So, Buck,
one of the things that needs to happen is a reckoning,
and I believe that reckoning hopefully will start in November.

(30:15):
But also, these people who argued you don't want to
be on the wrong side of history, Buck, they are
going to be on the wrong side of history in
their response to COVID. It's just a question of how
long it will take for this to become consensus opinion.
But for the Rhn decantis Is of the world and

(30:35):
the Greg Abbots, both of whom are up for reelection.
If you're listening to us in Florida and Texas, as
many of you are, you need to be sharing this
data with your suburban mother friends, with your friends who
are willing to be persuadable. And we need absolute landslides
in this state to ratify the decisions that were made

(30:55):
in these states. You know, I also found this data
that was shared on the stats website Nate Silver's five
thirty eight about trust in science. Did you saw this
graphic fascinating. Just so I can explain to everybody who's listening,
I wish I could show you this graphic, but starting
in about this is the share of Americans who said
they had a great deal of confidence in the scientific

(31:18):
community by party affiliation from nineteen seventy three to twenty
twenty one. The graphic is fascinating because Democrats and Republicans
are basically both in the forty percent range, up and
down a little bit here and there in nineteen eighties,
nineteen nineties, you know, not a lot of change. It's

(31:39):
sort of Democrats and Republicans roughly call it a little
you know, it's usually less than half. I'd say, you know,
forty five percent of Republicans had faith in science until
about two thousand and then it dropped down a little
bit forty percent of Democrats, and it actually dropped down
quite a bit lower a few times. But anyway, overall
it's in the forties. You get to the pandemic, and

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people who say they have trust in science skyrockets like
hockey stick graph straight up a stock going from one
dollar to a thousand dollars. That's what it looks like.
All of a sudden, Democrats go way up to sixty
five percent and Republicans start dropping off down into the
thirties at the start of the pandemic. And you can

(32:22):
see it by the way the Democrat line is almost
a straight lineup, meaning that there was What this is
showing you, and this is why I think it's so fascinating,
is that it was a political designation. This was not
about what could because it starts at the beginning of pandemic.
All of a sudden, Democrats decided where the Science party,
and this became a personal branding issue for them. And

(32:43):
what I think is so fascinating is that if you
go back and look at Marxism, which has a lot
of similarities with the left the Democrat Party, if you
go back and look at Marxism, it is a religion
that pretends to be a science, and the language that
it uses and the pre tense of the Marxists all
along was to try to create the notion that this

(33:04):
is actually just scientific reality that they're putting through a
social theory, when in fact it's it's really a religious
belief that they're pretending is somehow rooted in reality, fact
and the inevitability of truth. And you see this with
the Democrats. It's the same thing. Science for them became
a political rallying cry, and the way that they all

(33:28):
of a sudden identified with I believe in the science,
and I'd be fascinating to see, I bet Clay, they
haven't hasn't dropped off because they don't want to believe
that they were part of this mob mentality of Fouchi's
a genius when he's really a moron. Well, you and
I have talked about before, Buck. The thing that really
gets these left wing people really triggered is the idea

(33:51):
that they're dumb right, like they can handle almost any
other criticism, but the idea that they are a sheep,
the idea that they are the idea that they have
behaved in an anti science manner. And I thought there
was a perfect metaphor. I was watching Saturday night the
Golden State Warriors playing against Memphis Grizzlies. NBA playoffs are
going on. My kids are big job morant fans, so

(34:13):
we're sitting around watching this game. One guy in a
twenty thousand seat arena in San Francisco, just about Buck
is wearing his mask. You know who that was? King
NBA Lib Steve Kerr, he would wear his mask. He's
the head coach of the Golden State Warriors, twenty thousand

(34:33):
seat arena. Virtually no one you could see wearing a mask.
Steve Kerr is the head coach, is wearing his mask,
and what's he doing constantly pulling the mask down to
yell out instructions to his team and then pull the
mask back up. There is no way to justify wearing
the mask. And I thought to myself, this is Steve

(34:55):
Kerr making it clear to all of the left wing
loo natics out there that he is their champion. He
is their ride or die. Because I'm sitting there watching
this and I'm gonna watch it again on Monday night
and I'll probably tweet about it because I didn't tweet
about it on Saturday night. But I'm watching this because
I want to take a picture of it. There's no

(35:16):
one that you can see around him buck wearing the mask,
and he's regularly constantly pulling it down because you can't
hear what anybody says when they're wearing a mask, right,
especially in a crowded arena where everybody's yelling. And I'm
thinking to myself, he thinks, and he is sending the
message of I am doing what the science dictates, even

(35:38):
though he looks like an absolute and complete moron by
doing this. This is like people who this is the
same the same scientific mentality, you could say, as somebody
who thinks that they're protecting themselves effectively from a very
contagious venereal disease by taking the prophylactic device on and

(35:59):
off many times over the course of their session. You know,
take it on and take it off, take it on,
take off. Yeah, I'm protected. Kind of No, you're not. Actually,
you're wasting your time with this, which is the same
thing that you had had with planes and the mask
up between bites. And I mean, I am still almost

(36:19):
in all the stupidity of the Delta Airlines flight attendant
I have I had just a few weeks ago, maybe
a month ago, who was saying that people were taking
wasn't just me? So people say, oh, it's because she
knows you. No, no, no, anybody who was taking too
long between bites. She thought she was keeping us safe
by saying, sir, you've that's enough, Like that's enough time
between bites. You need to mask up in between bites.

(36:42):
These are people who are mentally ill. They actually have
This is like people who will not go at This
is like agoraphobia. They will not go outside. They almost
have a fear of breathing fresh air and not having
the mask on their face. In fact, I think we
should come up with some term of phobia without masking,
because that's what this really is. I'll have to look
at what the what the Greek would be on this,

(37:02):
the ancient Greek. Well, and to your point, did you
see and we need to talk about this too, because
it's just so ridiculous. But I'll give a little bit
of a tease here for later in the show. Did
you see the idiot md online who said as soon
as masks are removed on airplanes? I want to read
her tweet here. As we get ready to finish the cancelations, everywhere,
everyone's gonna get canceled. Every everything on the planet basically

(37:26):
is going to get canceled. Uh, you're you're not gonna
be able to fly anywhere, all of this ridiculousness and uh,
and it completely fell apart. There was out there. I'm sorry,
ahead I thought you want to should we tease it?
Should we play the tease game, and I'll read this
tweet when we come back. Let's play when we come back.
What I just want to say, it's nice, right, you
and me and this audience can sleep well at night

(37:49):
knowing that we were not the jackasses for two years
who thought that all this stuff was a good idea.
I'm just gonna say there should be some real solace
taken in. We were right, they were wrong, and that
does have its own its own it has its own reward.
But I want the scoreboard to reflect it. And that's
why November needs to be so. I want CNN and

(38:12):
MSNB siying literal tears rolling down their cheeks. I want
Welter curled up in a ball in the corner asking
Mommy to make it stop as those election returns come in.
And I want and I know you're in New York City,
but I want all those people living in New York
in LA who have no idea how the rest of
the country is living, to be trying to explain what

(38:33):
the national electorate is saying. When I feel like living
here in Nashville and traveling around for college football games,
which to me is the heartbeat of America, I feel
like I have my finger on the pulse of America
really really well. And this destruction that is coming in November,
I think it is going to blow the minds of

(38:55):
the East and West coast lives and they're not going
to be able to really understand what the message. It's
the only way to restore balance. It's the only way
to restore sanity. Actually, if if it doesn't happen, we're
in trouble as a country, no doubt. By the way,
inflation is coming out the newest number this week for
the month of April, but we already know it was

(39:15):
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(40:47):
and Buck Sexton Show. As promised, our friend Ali Beth
Stucky is with us now. She is host of the
podcast Relatable, author of You're Not Enough, and a writer
at World Magazine. Ali, thanks for joining us, Yeah, thanks
for having me. Can we start because there's obviously so
much bide administration, imploding inflation, abortion, decision looming. We've got

(41:12):
a lot we can talk to you about, but I
just want to know what are you hearing. You're plugged
into this community. You know what it's like for the
young moms out there, the baby formula shortage. I'm seeing
people really really freaked out about this because what are
they supposed to do? Yeah, this is terrifying in so
many ways, and I think a lot of people don't
even consider. I am friends with people who are foster

(41:34):
parents who have recently adopted. I have friends who have
kids who have special allergies and special needs that require
them to have a certain kind of formula. This is
an insanely impactful and pervasive problem. I mean, this is
your worst nightmare if you're a mom who is trying
to feed your child, to get your child and nutrients

(41:55):
that it needs, like bare minimum. First priority as a
mother is to take care of your child in this way,
and you are literally helpless, especially if you are someone
who maybe doesn't have the means that others do. If
you have lots of dollars laying around, you might be
able to stockpile the formula if you can find it,
or you can order some expensive brand overseas, but for

(42:17):
working class women, for the average woman, especially for a
woman who is impoverished, it is almost getting impossible for
them to feed their children. That is a very scary prospect. Ali,
what are thanks for coming on the show? By the way,
what are moms being told and dads who have to
go out to buy this formula? What are they being

(42:38):
told about? How long this shortage is going to last,
how much worse it might get. I mean, this is
alarming on an incredibly high level for anybody out there
that has raised kids and has had to buy formula,
as you mentioned, because this is one of those things
that it's hard to replicate with something else. What are
moms being told? Yeah, that's part of the anxiety, right,

(42:59):
is that they just kind of being told as vague
answer supply chain issues, which we can talk about all
the different possibilities and all of the different reasons causing that.
Some of it also is a recall that happened to
add It Labs. Unfortunately, there is contamination of the formula
that led to the sickness of lots of babies and
the death of two babies, and so that's scary. So

(43:20):
there's just less formula in circulation and they're not being
told any answers is to really why. And then also
when it's going to end, there are suppliers or stores
like Target, like CBS, like Walgreen saying that for the
foreseeable future they are just going to have to ration
the formula. So I don't have any answers. A Biden

(43:42):
administration doesn't seem to have any answers. These suppliers don't
seem to have any answers. I true, I wish I
could say there's light at the end of the tunnel,
but I just don't have that kind of a positive
vision right now. Ali also want to ask you your
thoughts on the situation of the Supreme Court justice who
have lunatics shrieking at them from their front lawns of

(44:05):
their private, you know, their homes, and an unwillingness it
seems from most of the Democrat media. The White House
just changed their position from hey, people are upset, too
bad too Okay, maybe don't threaten Supreme Court justices, but
this feels like a very combustible situation, and I think
the unhinged and to some demonic components of the left

(44:27):
are coming out for everyone to see. And it's not
just the Supreme Court justices and the Young Children of
Justice League cabin On a Barratt that are being you know,
intimidated and threatened right now. We're also talking about people
with far less security and far fewer places to go,
like your pregnancy resource centers. Unfortunately, we've seen on Twitter

(44:50):
pictures of these resource centers being vandalized. I mean, these
are clinics. These are centers that are helping women no
matter what they ultimately decide to do with their to see.
They're offering pre pregnancy classes, free babies, supplied, maternity closed,
all kinds of things. And as you said, these demonic
pro abortion activists, for whatever reason, feel that they need

(45:12):
to vandalize and in some cases burn down these clinics
because they are so rabid and intent on seeing more
babies murdered. And it really is sad. But I hope
people see more than they ever have that this is
a really a light versus darkness dichotomy more than it
is a political battle. Ali, I'm curious what you're hearing
from moms because I talked about this on the show

(45:34):
on Thursday. I was out with a group of couples
a lot of different moms of a variety of different
political persuasions, and what I found was just I was
just having a conversation with them about what their thoughts
were on the Alito opinion leak. It's amazing to me
that people who are pro choice define themselves very strongly
pro choice. Almost all of them that I talked to said, well, no,

(45:56):
I would never support an abortion in the seventh, eighth,
or ninth month of pregnant, see when the child is
in many ways potentially able to survive outside of the womb.
And similarly, people who said, hey, I'm one hundred percent
pro life, obviously, we're okay with birth control. Everyone that
I was talking with, they were okay with exceptions in

(46:17):
the life of the mother certainly an incest and ape
and other things. How much agreement, and this may be
a surprise question, but it surprised me there's actually a
ton of agreement on abortion, and now that every state
has to make decisions, I think democrats are going to
find when you go into the specific details of abortion,

(46:38):
there isn't as much support for certainly all the way
up to nine month pregnancy as they're trying to argue
through the media. Have you started to see those conversations
take place, maybe an indifferent way, that the shift has
gone from should Rove Wade be the law of the
land to okay, what should abortion policy look like? Because
I'm kind of intrigued by the actions and responses when

(47:01):
you have those conversations. Well, you're absolutely right, and putting
my own opinions aside, I'm really as anti abortion as
you can get. The average American is extremely what I
would call moderate on this issue. You'll hear a lot
of pro choice activist day. While the majority of people
want women to have access to abortion, they support Roe v. Wade,

(47:23):
But also the reality is that most people don't really
understand what Roe v Wade is. They think that if
Rovwade is overturned, then America is going to abolish abortion
across the land. Most people in America do believe in exceptions,
even if they consider themselves pro life. Again putting my

(47:43):
own personal opinions to decide that it's just typical of
the average Americans. But as you mentioned, most Americans also
believe that there should be restriction, especially when you get
into this second and third trimester, and that really has
been Eddie. I mean, the last has moved far left
over the past ten and twenty years, for sure, but

(48:04):
when it comes to abortion, the average American really has
stayed the same in what they consider to be a
good abortion policy. So if the LAFT really cares about
democracy as much as they say they do, if they
really are so confident that Americans want access to abortion,
then let's put it up to a vote, which is

(48:25):
exactly what would happen across the state. Of course, if
Roe v. Wade is overturned, it would be our democratic
processes playing out in state legislatures. I feel like we're
making you are unofficial but semi official Mom whisperer here
in real time, because I got another mom question for you,
and that is with the school issue that we've seen

(48:46):
and teaching of CRT and all of the all of
the back and forth at the school board meetings, are
you getting the sense that moms, we know moms were
fired up, right, that would be we saw that in Virginia.
We've seen that in some key some key indicators, including
in some elections. Let's call it six seven months ago.
But are they still fired up? Do you think that

(49:07):
the shutdowns of schools for COVID the teaching of CRT
and now the teaching the transagenda might surprise some folks
with how much that motivates parents, moms, but parents in
general to show up at the polls in this midterm. Well,
you can absolutely bet the Democrats that's exactly what Democrats
are trying to distract women and moms from using this

(49:29):
abortion issue and trying to stoke courage around abortion. They're
trying to make them forget about what Democrats did to
their children over the past couple of years. I don't
think that it's going to work. I don't think abortion
mobilize it independent or moderate women as much as they
think that it does, and so I do think it's
an issue. I do think that the radicalism and school

(49:52):
curriculum is going to be an issue. I think the economy, inflation,
the lack of supplies like baby formula that moms are
able to find, I think that that's going to be
far more mobilizing than the abortion issue, for sure. And
I think as the fall comes and as we see
more school board meetings, that you are going to see

(50:13):
that energy kind of reop once again. But look, it's
going to take a lot of work on the conservative
side to make sure that moms are still aware of that,
because look, there's a lot of propaganda, especially I like
to say that white woman Instagram, especially progressive white woman Instagram,
is like the biggest purveyor of political propaganda that exists.

(50:35):
And so it's going to take a lot of effort
to reach those moms and to educate and inform those
moms to make sure they know what's going on and
why it matters. I think it's possible, but it's going
to take a lot of efforts. Ali, we agree suburban
women hold the key to the twenty twenty two and
the twenty twenty four electimes. We need to get you
on again sometime soon. Appreciate it. Yeah, thanks so much.

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