June 22, 2022 • 49 mins
Biden's Gas Tax Holiday is a Gimmick -- Just Ask Obama. Our Favorite Data Nerd, Ian Miller, with the Real Science on Covid. DeSantis vs. Trump in 2024? Missouri Senator Josh Hawley on Giving Voters a Reason to Vote Republican. A Red Radio Wave and Shout-Out to Our Amazing Affiliates!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Wednesday edition.
Always happy when I get the day right of the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. So we have a
lot going on to talk to you all about today. Obviously,
we'll dive in just a second here to the gas
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tax holiday situation. Is the Biden regime really gonna pull
this at the last minute and do everything that they
can to buy off the voters, which is really what
this is. It is it is a gimmick to borrow
a term from a Democrat administration. We'll dive into that
here in just a second. And we've also got more
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updates on what happened at UV all day. We'll be
discussing that with you in a little bit. Just say,
the details keep getting worse for the law enforcement response.
With more information comes more outrage unfortunately about what happened there.
We will discuss that with you. Also, some major US
cities are having a particularly high year for violence right now,
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including New York and Los Angeles, after all time records
in places like Philadelphia and other cities last year. So
you're seeing cities that are having their worst years of
violence in a long time, and even some that are
having their worst years ever. And when you look at
some of the Democrat policies that are being pushed by
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progressive prosecutors like Gascone and Krasner, I would say Boudan,
but he just got recalled. There's others that we have
to discuss, others that we have to talk about here
as well. That's an important story. We've also got Senator
Josh Holly joining us to talk about the gun control
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legislation Senates pushed through here. I mean they call it bipartisan,
and it technically it is bipartisan. There's a whole lot
more to discuss here about how it's not really going
to do very much, if anything, I would say anything
that's good. It will also leave some open territory for
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abuse of some of the regulations. And we've got our
friend Ian Miller, who is great on the topic of
masks not working and vaccines being overpromised. When it comes there,
he'll be joining us third hour two. So show is
racked and stacked, and I'm here, of course with my
main man, Clay. I'm still down in Key Largo, which
is quite a lovely place to be. Clay is in
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Atlanta and Clay So the federal gas tax, Hollott, let's
just start with this. Even the gas CEOs who usually
you'll notice, they don't usually get into the political fray
because a lot of regulation. They just want to keep
pumping their oil, doing their business. I know there's obviously
lobbyists and such, but they don't speak out against politicians
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that frequently. The Chevron CEO has said Biden basically doesn't
know what the heck he's talking about. Here is Biden's
response play clip one good question on the Chevron CEO's
complaint Today. He said that your administration has largely criticized
the oil and gas industry and at times has vilified it,
and that the administration would need to take a change
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in approach in order to make progress. I'm reducing energy
prices and to increase supply. Do you have a reaction
to that, surf I didn't know if they get that quickly.
I mean, does it really think it's a time for jokes?
Clay people can't afford gas. The gas CEO is saying
the Biden regime is clownish and he thinks it's funny
here's what's going on. The Democrats know that nothing else matters.
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All the distractions they're trying to throw up surrounding January sixth,
the potential impact as we go forward, surrounding whatever the
Supreme Court does with Roe v. Wade, All of it
is a big distraction that is not taking away attention
from eight point six percent inflation and how angry every
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single person is when they go to pump their gas
and it's five dollars a gallon. That is every single time.
The essence of this, and the problem with the gas
tax holiday is it's not going to do anything other
than provide a short term show. And the biggest issue
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the Biden administration has is all of the oil and
gas companies know that the Biden administration is opposed to
everything that they do and every aspect of their business.
So take it outside of gas. If you knew that
there was a government that hated what your business was
and they were suddenly desperate for your product because there
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was a midterm election coming up, would you invest billions
of dollars in production when you knew that as soon
as they possibly could, they would cut your legs out
from underneath you and what was a profitable business would
rapidly decline in profitability because remember Bucket, wasn't very long
ago that we were talking about gas prices going negative.
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Do you remember that, Like in March and April of
twenty twenty when everybody was supposed to stay at home
and all this oil was being delivered to the United
States and the price of a barrel of crude oil
actually went into negative territory because there was nowhere to
store it and there was no consumption product in place.
That's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of creating a
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situation where they're drastically oversupplying a market that is trying
to cut the legs out of the business that they
are in the middle of. And so there's no trust,
there's no reciprocity here, there's no reproachment, there is no
relationship because ultimately Democrats want oil and gas, anything other
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than so called clean energy, to vanish and to vanish forever.
And Biden is trying to make the oil and gas
companies responsible for the price of oil and gas, when
if he had allowed the full fruition of our production
from the first place, he wouldn't be going on bended
need of Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran begging for them
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to increase production so that we can replace what we're
losing in Russia. They don't have any plans, folks, not really.
At this point, it is down to gimmicks. You have
to wonder at what phase will Biden just decide to
send Biden stimulus checks even though we're going through a
terrible period of inflation, to effectively buy off as many
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voters as possible at the very end here. And they
can't have it both ways either. You can't have the
Biden regime talking about a move that will bring down
gas prices and Biden doing everything he can on gas prices.
But it's not as fault that gas prices are high, right, Well,
no one's saying it's all his fault. Nothing at a
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macroeconomic level is ever entirely the sitting president's fault. But
has he made it worse? Has he made the wrong moves? Yes,
clearly obviously, everybody, including the CEOs of all the fossil
fuel energy companies, but also everybody who's had to pump
gas for the last six months. Nos. Yeah, this administration
has made things more painful, more difficult, and you know
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you still, Clay, I love this. You've got like these.
The Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm can't help herself. John Kerry
can't help himself. They're going around here, You go here,
Graholm saying, yeah, look, things are tough, but what a
great opportunity while you can't afford to drive to work,
to transition to green energy. Place seven. We've got obviously
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all of this upheaval, We've got the coming out of
the pandemic, we've got this obvious invasion of Ukraine on
the energy side, and we've got the moment to think
and act strategically about lifting up communities and building these
supply chains out and building out the installations in a
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way that give everyone a chance to succeed. The sixty
four thousand dollars electric vehicle solution to five dollars gas
is maybe the most Marie Antoinette esque move of any
modern political party during our lives. Remember Debbie stab Now,
the Senator from Michigan, bragging about how she had driven
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from Michigan to DC and she just kept driving past
in her brand new electric vehicle, all of the high
gas prices and ultimately what's wild here, buck is Barack
Obama actually pointed this out some time ago, that everything
about a gas tax holiday was a gimmick. He said
it back in two thousand and eight. And I would
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imagine there'll be a lot of people playing this because
obviously Joe Biden was the vice president of Barack Obama
at the time that this was said. And guess what Obama,
at least on this scenario was one hundred percent right. Listen.
But for us to suggest that thirty cents a day
for three months is real relief, that that's a real
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energy policy means that we are not tackling the problem
that has to be tackling. We are offering gimmicks when
we're offering the same thing that John McCain's offering on
the cheat. That means we're not presenting a truthful response
to the challenges that we face in America. We can
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do better than that. This time. It's a gimmick. It's
a gimmick. Luck. I would love to hear Joe Biden
actually directly questioned on this. Of course it rarely happens,
but hey, your former president set a gas tax holiday
was a gimmick. Why was he wrong. I would love
to hear that Joe Biden's response to that, and that
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they also know Clay where this is all heading. A
Biden administration that has a Republican major already in the
House and even a slim majority in the Senate isn't
going to get any major legislation through. You're going to
hear a lot of class warfare stuff, and obviously depending
on the Republican candidate, there'll be a real focus on
you know, January sixth, all the things that we can expect.
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But then it really turns into politically, this country after
the midterms is going to shift right into presidential election mode,
and it's there's not going to be some long holiday.
There's not going to be a honeymoon period of you know,
a year in between. We're going to be shifting right
toward and at that point, with Biden not able to
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point to any achievements, and with all the pain that
we're seeing economically in this country, never mind all the
other dysfunction that we talk about. Legal immigration, worst it's
ever been, violent crime the worst it's ever been in
a number of cities a nationwide, the worst it's been
in decades. All these things just point in one direction.
And that is for the one thing that Democrats and
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the apparatus are really responsive to, the imminent loss of power,
the massive loss of authority. That's where they're heading. And
so you're already seeing the desperation, right, I mean, come on,
a gas tax holiday is desperate. Honestly, Biden. Even tapping
into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, it's not really what it's
for now. Politicians play games with things like this, but
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that's supposed to be in the case of an embargo
or award. It's not just gas price a little high.
Let's buy off the voters a little bit. Let's tell
them I'm doing something. The thing that they could do
is encourage not just exploration, not just refining, Encourage fossil
fuel domestic production, and say we're not going to stand
in your way this year or in four years or
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in ten years. We understand this is where the economy is.
They ideologically cannot do that. That is where the rubber
meets the road. Drill, baby, drill. I remember someone distilling
the question of what we should do when it came
to oil and gas, and that is exactly what should
be done. But you're right, when your entire party is
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predicated on the idea of climate change as a destructive
force that must be resolved, then the Green New Deal
energy policies mean you can't actually solve an energy crisis
that has emerged and is continuing to grow and is
probably going to lead to higher gas prices throughout the
course of the summer. And Buck, the discussion here is
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about a gas tax holiday until September. Do you really
think they would end it in September or do you
think they would extend it to Oh, I don't know,
November tenth, maybe through Thanksgiving. Oh, we're going to give
everybody a little bit of a break. And I can't
even wait. We'll have to talk about this as it
gets closer to July fourth, more in earnest. Remember last
year when the Biden White House put out the statement
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that you were saving sixteen cents on your Fourth of
July barbecue over the year before thanks to the Biden
economic Those pork rib tasted so much better with the
two bits that I was saving or whatever. You know
that the twelve and a sixteen cents that you were saving.
We'll talk about this and more. And also you mentioned
twenty twenty four. Got some great guests coming down the line.
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Donald Trump endorsement, Ron De Santis Politico with an interesting
story there about looking ahead and where we might be headed.
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Buck Sexton Show underway. Thanks for being here with us,
as always an honor of privilege and a pleasure to
speak you all across the country. Are you ready to
get your shot every year? And I mean every year,
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and by shot I mean the COVID vaccine that they're
going to keep update. I know a lot of you
are shouting no, But the CEO of Visor he's got
a different plan in mind. We'll talk about this in
a second. We've been calling this out for now over
a year. This was going to be the plan. More
on this one, and yes we were right. Once again.
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We're joined on this issue of where we stand in
the fight against COVID tyranny. By our friend Ian Miller
ofoutkick dot com. That's right. He went to work with
Clay at OutKick. It's a smart man. He also was
the author of Unmasked in its Clay being nice. Absolutely,
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he's been great so far, been been thrilled. It's really exciting, fantastic,
expect nothing less. So tell me, my friend this. Actually,
let's have let's play the CEO of a visor Bordelaw
telling everybody, you know, yeah, shots every year. Let's let's
play that that audio. Do you think we're going to
get updated mRNA vaccines every season that will be directed
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to each new variation of the coronavirus? And what we
have to take those shots every year. I'm almost certain
about it. And I say almost certain because of course
regulators have the final stay and all of that. But
that's the beauty of mRNA. You can adopt your vaccine,
us play change in the sequencing, which is a very
minor change. I mean, you've been on this all along,
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doing great research. They're straight up telling us now that
afies or yeah, you'r mRNA shots forever. That's the plan, right,
And it's it's kind of absurd that he says it
that way, because you know, they haven't updated it so far,
even though we've had multiple different variants, and you know,
as we've seen sometimes there will be three or four
different variants that emerge in a year, and you know,
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so he the thing is going to update three or
four times a year, he's supposed to go get three
or four shots per year, or is he going to
update for the first strain that emerges, which will then
be too late because we'll have two other ones by
the end of the year. You know. And on top
of the fact that the effectiveness of the vaccines has
clearly been waiting, and not just in terms of infection,
but in terms of hospitalizations as well. So it's it's
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just kind of a certain it honestly feels like they're
just trying to sell more product going forward. Yeah, that's
the part ian that really jumps out to me. If
you had a federal mandate that someone had to buy
a for profit product and that they had to do
it every year as far into the future as you
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could see, wouldn't that raise a lot of red flags
for many people? And doors shouldn't it? In addition to
the fact that it's not working very well. An annual
subscription vaccine and vaccine as in quotation marks is probably
the best recurring profit margin that fiser could ever hope for,
given how large the addressable market is and how many
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places are requiring that that market continue to buy that product.
I take it outside of just COVID shots. It feels
incredibly dirty to me that we're even in this situation. Absolutely,
it's hard to imagine a better business model than saying
we have to update our product every year, and the
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federal government's going to mandate that you take it for
many you know, contractors or employers, government employees. On top
of you know, you see things like colleges that are
mandating booster shots for healthy eighteen and nineteen year old
college students. I've recently read about a story a Stamford
student was going to be banned from receiving his diploma,
banned from graduating because he refused to comply with their
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booster mandate even though we'd already had COVID. And you know,
that's another aspect of this that has completely forgotten often
is that you know, CDC is as estimated, seventy five
percent of kids have already had COVID, and yet a
lot of schools are going to be mandating the full
series of vaccinations, then a booster, and now presumably boosters
indefinitely for kids that have already been exposed to COVID
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and have some natural community and protection. We're speaking of.
Ian Mill of OutKick dot com also got a great book, Unmasked,
and he was the guy for any of you who
are on Twitter who was sharing out the graphs of
mask mandates all along and where they went into effect,
and how they didn't work over and over again. In fact,
they didn't work anywhere. And yet we still have people
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I saw people today, Clay even down here wearing masks
that people are still voluntarily not under mandate. But the
Democrat Fauci apparatus still believes in this stuff. Ian, I
want to ask you also, what's your sense is about this?
From the very beginning of the COVID pandemic, we were told,
and it's become I think seared into our brains that
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this was a once in a century pandemic. They spent
trillions of dollars. A lot of that money, as we
see now, was poorly spent, didn't actually help anything, and
has created massive inflation. But Biden's out there telling everybody, well,
it's time to set up more spending for the next pandemic,
as if it's right around the quarter. Here's what the
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here's what the Biden White House is saying about this
play that cut. Please eight, how many of the nation's
kids will you be able to get vaccinated before you
need more money from timers? Well, we'll get through least
this year. We do need more money, but we don't
just need more money for vaccines for children. Eventually we
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need more money to fan for the second pandemics. There's
going to be another pandemic. We have to think ahead.
So first of all, need more money for shots for
kids that kids don't actually need based on the data.
And Biden seems very certain that the next once in
a century pandemic is right around the corner. Yeah, that's
it's very concerning to hear them say that. And of
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course that money will be distributed to the same public
health bureaucrats and supposed experts that have completely failed during
this once in a century pandemic. You know that all
of the measures that they did, the interventions have completely failed.
You know, That's what the book is about. It's all
my writing. A lot of my writing has been about
showing that all these things that we did that as
we're now experiencing, have had a huge tremendous unintended consequences
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and side effects. They all failed. So in response to that,
which most people now universally kind of agree that it
was a failure, in response, we need to give them
more money to prepare for whatever next. Once in essentially
pandemic is coming. And that's a major concern that all
these measures that we seem don't work are going to
continue to be brought back in the future now because
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the public health experts and democrats have decided they work
based off of no data whatsoever. Ian, you just mentioned
that seventy five percent of kids, based on data from
the spring, have already been exposed to COVID. Yesterday, kids
ages six months to five years old became eligible for
COVID shots, and again some of them are gonna have
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to get three shots. This is, as you heard from
the Fiser CEO, potentially going to be going forward for
years to come. You wrote about the data at OutKick
and did a great job there. What would you tell
parents out there listening to us right now? The data
shows about the efficacy levels for six months to five
year old COVID shots given the fact that seventy five
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percent of these kids essentially have already had COVID at
least right, well, I think the data is shown pretty
conclusively the natural immunity provides better protection against infection and
severe outcomes than the vaccines do for all age groups,
but especially for children, there's there's really been no benefit,
and the trials didn't even present a benefit. You know.
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Their own estimates of vaccine efficacy for these age groups
was for the first like I think it was six
months to two years, was something like fourteen percent against
infection and then thirty percent against the severe infection for
the slightly older age groups, So that would have failed
the initial standard that the FDA set. They initially wanted
fifty percent efficacy to emergency authorize a vaccine. This would
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have for kids, but they approved it anyway, and because
they changed how they measured it by using something called
immuno bridging. I mean, it's it's really ludicrous, and they
try to justify it by presenting COVID as a leading
cause of death for these younger age groups. Except the
way that they measured this leading cause of death ranking
was completely misleading, which is what I wrote about Route kicked,
that they kind of conflated two different ways of counting
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to make it appear that COVID is deadli or for
young kids than it actually is. So it's really it's
another concerning incident of the CDC kind of manipulating data
to try to get the outcome they want. And you know,
I preparents would be I would be very hesitant. You know,
we don't have a lot of great long term safety
data on this for this age group, and there really
was no significant benefit jump by the FDA we're speaking of.
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Ian Miller of OutKick dot Com has a great book
on the failure of mask mandates called Unmasked. Ian, I
just want to know, based on you've been following the
COVID issue very closely for a long time now, and
it seems to me that when they're talking about vaccines
for kids, covidvaccines for kids and also omicron specific vaccines,
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that we have to assume that it's going to be
a new then multiple dose right or if not, why not?
Because it seems to me that the vaccine that is
currently a proof for children is a three dose vaccine,
as I understand it, because the first two showed no
real efficacy whatsoever, so they said, let's just give him
another shot. Well, if they're going to do an omicron
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specific shot, wouldn't that then also likely be three mRNA doses?
And oh, by the way, won't we probably be facing
a non omicron new variant this fall again? If not?
Why not? Yeah, exactly, that's a great point. This series
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is three doses, but it's based off the same vaccine
that they're giving to adults. I think it's different dosages,
but it's three shots. And then, exactly, as you say,
if they need to update a phramicron, is that going
to be another three dose series? And then for the
next variant, another three dose series after that. And again,
by the time they even get the almicron variant up,
there will likely be another new dominant variant that has
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popped up. As we've seen, it moves very quickly with
the strains of the coronavirus. And so again it's it's
like we're doing we're trying to do something that doesn't
really have a demonstrable benefit for this age group who's
had an incredibly low risk for serious illness from COVID anyway.
I mean the COVID was something like twenty five times
less likely to cause death among young children than accidents.
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But you know, and then down the road, we're going
to keep adding more and more shots to this series
when we don't really have any long term data on
it yet and we haven't demonstrated clear benefit. It's really
to me, it's inexcusable that the I mean clay it
really is the sixth or the ninth or the twelfth
shot though, that will solve it forever. Yeah, Ian, you
wrote a great book about masks and how poorly they worked.
By the way, I'd encourage all of you go follow
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at E. N. M sc on Twitter. He does a
fantastic job giving you data and analytics surrounding this by plays.
Buck basically lives on Broadway starting July, I do I
live above a Broadway theater? Essentially? Yes, yes, I mean
July first, they are going to end the mask mandate
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on Broadway plays. Why in the world are they randomly
deciding to do this? And has there been any justification
whatsoever for wearing masks inside of Broadway plays? Based on
the data that you have seen across the country. Well,
of course not. And it's funny because you know, we've
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had NBA events that are essentially the same thing, twenty
thousand people in an enclosed arena going on for months
with no negative impacts, with no mask required anywhere. I mean,
we just saw the NBA Finals with nobody wearing a
mask in any either of the venues, and it's it's
been kind of ludicrous that they've continued it this long
and this has been what they do. They've pick an
arbitrary date and it's like, oh, it'll be safe July first,
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you know, why not June twenty eighth. Oh, nobody has
an explanation. What's also concerning, though, is that they said
that they're going to reevaluate that decision every month, So
you know, you could buy a ticket for a Broadway
show expecting to go to have it be mask free,
and then the next month they could decide, actually, we
need to bring it back now based off of nothing,
and then you could, you know, have spent three hundred
dollars on a ticket and be forced to wear a mask.
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So it's another episode of this kind of ludicrous, arbitrary
thinking that these the mask canatics do, and it's it's
kind of crazy. No matter how much data accumulates that
there are still some segments of the population and just
can't give it up. He's Ian Miller. Were excited to
have him writing at OutKick. You can go check him
out at OutKick dot com. You can follow him on
Twitter at ian MSc. Appreciate the time a man, keep
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I think it's going to be a reality. I believe
that Ronda Santis, governor of Florida, is going to be
running against Donald Trump for the twenty twenty four presidential
nomination on behalf of the Republican Party. And Politico has
a story that went up early this morning that Rhonda
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Santis is not asking for Donald Trump's indorsement in the
state of Florida, according to four people I'm reading from Politico.
According to four people connected to the governor and former president,
DeSantis has not asked Trump for a formal endorsement and
isn't planning to. It's a clear sign de Santis, who
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more than four years ago was a little known congressman
from northeast Florida, has risen high in the gop stratosphere,
and they are expecting now that there is going to
be There's a New Yorker article we talked about it
that hinted edit had quotes from Trump. I think that
we are headed for a major battle between DeSantis and
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Trump in twenty twenty three. As we run into the
twenty twenty four presidential election, now things can still change.
Buck Rohn de Santis has got to win reelection in
Florida this November. His wife has been unhealthy. She had
breast cancer. Appears fortunately to have recovered from that, but
there are potential health considerations there. Trump is obviously over
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the age of seventy five. He seems to be in
great health right now, but that's always worth mentioning two.
But it appears increasingly likely that that is going to
be a battle of Leviathans in the Republican Party for
twenty twenty four's nomination. I feel like the rest of
the country is going to have to ask for Rhn
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de Santis too. They got to ask Floridians to be
willing to part with their favorite governor because we got
audience is now listening Fla, Tampa, Iod, Miami, all up
the southern, all up South Florida, and then you know,
on the side of the west side hand handle world,
I mean everything, and we got a big on. Everyone
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is the capital of the Republican Party now and both
these guys live there, and so it's just gonna be
a It's gonna be so interesting to see it. But
I know they don't want to give up their governor
and he's heading into to a presidential Well, let's be honest.
I mean, do they want to even give him up
to the to the White House, But certainly even to
a presidential election would be a big, a big shift
in focus that would have curled. I think people can
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handle keep people do handle both those things. I just
say this though, Clay, Um he's gonna win reelection. It
looks like in the governor's race in Florida, not by
a little bit, but by a major amount, and also
will have changed the registrations of hundreds of thousands from
down a few hundred thousand to the Democrats to upstate
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wide a few hundred thousand Republican. So we live in
interesting times, Clay, that is. I just don't want our
to be shocked by this coming battle. We want to
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Thirty years this president murder or murder, suicide after suicide,
mass shooting after mass shooting, Congress did nothing. This week.
We have a chance to break this thirty year period
of silence with a bill that changes our laws in
a way that will save thousands of lives. It is
a compliment, It is a bipartisan compromise. It is a
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path forward to the way that both Republicans and Democrats
can work together to address some of the most vexing,
most difficult challenges this nation faces. We have a chance
to show parents and kids and families that we take
their safety seriously and we are prepared to do not
just something, but something that saves lives in order to
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protect them. I would send a Democrat Chris Murphy on
the Senate advancing this bypartisan gun restriction legislation. What does
it do actually and why are they claiming that it
will save lives? In what way would this save lives?
And what ways would this perhaps create due process and
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even constitutional concerns. We're joined by Senator Josh Holley of Missouri,
who has a lot of thoughts on this and more.
Senator always, good to have you, Hey, thanks for having me,
great to be with you. What do you think of
this legislation? And we were trying to talk about this
on the show and the last couple of weeks, and
it was always, well, it's a framework, there's no text,
(35:24):
and now did anyone even see this text before they
voted on it. It feels like they did this one
behind closed doors and no one gets to know what's
going on. Yeah, that's about right, that's about right. It's
weeks of closed door negotiations where nobody knows exactly what's
going on. And then yesterday, in typical DC fashion, they
dropped the bill eighty some pages into our laps and say, okay,
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now vote on it. You know, it's just incredible, especially
for legislation as fundamental as this that touches and affects
every law abiding citizen Second Amendment right. So I voted
no on this and I'm opposed to it. What the
bill does, see answer your question a second ago, as
it pays states to set up programs to take away
Second Amendment rights from lawbyding citizens. By the way, that
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includes nineteen states that already have these red flag laws
where you don't get due process before your guns are
taken away, where you can be accused and have them
taken away before there's any crime that you're accused of,
let alone convicted of. All of those states are going
to get money under this bill. They're going to get paid,
and all the other states are going to get paid
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and encouraged to set up laws like this. So this
is not a bill that I can support, not by
a mile, and to me, it doesn't do anything to
address the real problem here, which is crime. In criminals
who commit acts of violence with firearms, they're the ones
who ought to be punished here, not lawbiding citizens. Yeah, Center, Holly,
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I'm glad you mentioned that, because Buck and I have
talked about on the show that even if we were
able to eliminate every mass shooting in this country, which
certainly we would be in favor of, ninety nine percent
of violence would still be occurring. Why do you think
the conversation never goes to, Hey, let's put way more
cops back out on the streets and let's put violent
(37:09):
criminals behind bars for longer periods of time, two things
we did in the nineties that were proven to drastically
improve overall quality of life and reduce violence in this country.
And yet it's almost as if that can't be discussed
in any measure. Yeah. And the reason for that, Clay,
is the Democrats are pro criminal. I mean, that's why.
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These are the people who think that we have too
many people in jail and that we have sentences that
are too lengthy, and that we ought to just let
folks out. And they're doing that, by the way, all
over the country. This is why we have a crime wave,
is because all over the country, soft on crime mayors
and governors and liberal das are out there not enforcing
the laws we're talking about violent crime. By the way,
we're not talking about petty offenses violent crime. They're not
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enforcing the laws, and the Democrats don't want to, So
you're exactly right. What we ought to be doing is
putting more cops on the street, giving every cop in
America a pay raise, and we ought to be increasing
the sentences for violent offenders, including people who try to
bring a firearm to a crime and use it. But
that is exactly what they do not want to do,
the Democrats, because they don't want to actually get tough
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on crime and criminals. It's just it's exactly backwards, and
that's another reason why I'm not going to support this legislation.
It doesn't crack down on criminals. It just goes after
lawbiding citizens, and I'm against that. Speaking to Senator Josh
Holley of Missouri, Senator, we never have enough time to
go through all of the crises that the Biden administration
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is not only facing, but we argue day in and
day out here on the show has made worse in
some cases, has really created of their all through their
own doing. The gas situation right as Clay and I
were on are about thirty minutes ago, Biden spoke on
this and called on Congress to suspend the federal gas
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tax play clip thirty two, going on Congress to suspend
the federal gas tax for the next ninety days through
the busy summer season, busy travel season. Here's what that means.
Every time you go to the gas station to fill
your tank, the federal government charges an eighteen cents tax
per gallon and gas that you purchase, and a twenty
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four cent tax per gallon of diesel you purchase. It's
a tax that's been around for ninety years. It's important
because we use it for the Highway Trust Fund to
keep our highways going. But what I'm proposed is suspending
the federal gas tax without affecting the Highway Trust Fund. So, Senator,
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for my math year and back of the Napkin math
on radio is always dangerous. So even if this happens,
people were paying six dollars a gallon might be paying
what about five forty two give or take yeah, for
like a few weeks, and then it'll go right back up.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
I mean, what Joe Biden can do if he wants
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to have any effect on gas prices is to suspend
and reverse his idiotic Green New Deal policies that are
causing this crisis. Let's not forget this is the guy
who when he came into office, the first thing he
did was suspend oil and gas leases, get rid of
our pipelines, cancel them, shut down American energy production. I mean,
and he boasted about it at the time, he bragged
(40:25):
about it, how he was going to be the climate
change president. Well, now we are getting the Green New Deal,
and we're getting it good and hard, and nobody can
afford to develop the tank or buy groceries, or by
critical goods and services because all of it is affected
by the price of energy. So and by the way,
it's just isn't anybody else tired of seeing the President
of the United States up there blaming everybody in anybody
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but himself. He won't take responsibility for anything. It's almost
like he isn't president, which you know, if that's what
he wants, we'd be happy to accommodate him. So doubt
is just absurd how much success our Republicans going to
be able to put forward in terms of just stopping
Joe Biden from being able to pass anything else. And
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the reason why I ask is it's clear buildback better
would have made inflation so much worse than it already was,
and he has created eight point six percent inflation with
many of the policy choices he's made. Now, do you
think we're going to be able to effectively run out
the clock and keep any more disastrous legislation from passing
before the midterms, or do you think Democrats, seeing the
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shellacking that's coming, are just going to throw up their
hands and say we better get stuff past now while
we still have a majority. How would you assess the
landscape right now in the Senate and in the House
in terms of Biden's ability to get more bad bills
passed before we get into officially the campaign season. Well,
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I would just say that if Republicans will hang together
in the Senate, you know, it takes sixty to get
anything done in the Senate, and all Republicans have to
do is to stand together and say no, we're not
going to go along. And this is one of the
reasons that this gun legislation disappoints me, is we should
be clear about this. This will has to pass with
Republican votes. It cannot get through without at least ten
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Republican votes, and I just think it's a big, big mistake.
So I hope the Republicans will want to stand strong
between now and November a Senate Republicans in particular will
say no to the Biden agenda. I think it's critical,
and I think we've got to give voters a reason
to vote Republican. I mean, Republicans have got us stand
strong and should have got backbone. Why else would people
(42:33):
vote for us? Very good question, Senator Josh Holly of Missouri, Senator,
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, gonna tee
off on all these crazy parents who are getting their
kids six months to five years old, the COVID shot,
(44:23):
which officially began yesterday. But we told you on this
show that we believe we're probably already in a recession.
The richest man in the world, well, Elon Musk, he
says recession is inevitable. Joe Biden claiming that recession is
(44:44):
not inevitable. Whose side you're going to take, the guy
who understands business and has built the largest wealth almost
in the history of the country, or the guy who's
been in government for over forty years and basically never
accomplished anything. Here's Elon Musk responding to Biden. Joe has
just come out and said that a recession in America
is not inevitable. How do you feel about the economy, Well,
(45:06):
I think a recession is inevitable at some point. As
to whether there is a recession in the near tone,
I think that is more likely than not. You agree
with Elon Musk. If you had to pick a side
to be on, would you either be on Joe Biden's
opinion on the economy or Elon Musk's opinion on the economy.
So here's what's going on. The Biden administration is hoping
(45:29):
that they can bolster sentiment. I mean, this is really
you know, fingers and toes in the dam as it's
cracking kind of a policy, right, But they're hoping that
they can bolster sentiment just enough that we eke out
another quarter or two here without being formally in a recession,
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because the only thing that might drive their political hopes
down into the dumps more than the super high price
of gas is when everybody has to because it becomes
a definitional issue use the R word recession when you
have people saying, because it's gonna, you know what, it's
gonna be called the Biden recession. They're gonna try to
(46:11):
call it, you know, the Trump recession, or the Biden
Transition to Greatness plan or some such lunacy. But it's
gonna be the Biden recession, and we all know it.
And I gotta tell you, I talked to a friend
of mine. I'll just say it. I talked to him.
We talked on air about this yesterday on TV side
Ned Ryan, who's a super smart we've had him most
show many times Great Guy Super Squared Away runs American Majority.
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And I said, so, what are we really looking at here, Clay?
He said, based on the numbers, and he's plugged in
with the political consultants and he knows how these races
are going. Anything that Biden won by twelve to fifteen
points in twenty twenty is in play, and maybe some
outliers of fifteen to twenty points that meeting Biden won
(46:57):
by fifteen or twenty points then could be in play
in this mid term, which means I don't know if
we've ever seen something like this. Well, to put it
in a context, we just saw a Texas thirty fourth
congressional district that myra floor as one. It's swung by
twenty one points. So the Democrat congressman one by fourteen.
(47:19):
She won by about seven So that's a twenty one
point swing. That kind of could put into a rough
outline some of these districts and how they could change.
And by the way, yesterday I told everybody out there, hey,
it's our one year anniversary. I want to think the
specific markets that we have been number one in buck
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are you ready during the course of this year? You
know it I love it. I've got it. I am
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top one hundred markets. We have been number one in Houston,
in Phoenix, in San Diego, in Denver, in Salt Lake City,
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in Sacramento, Austin, Texas, Columbus, Ohio, Raleigh, Durham, Milwaukee, Greensboro,
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New York, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Des Moines, Iowa, Omaha, Spokane
and Spokane, Washington, and Syracuse, New York. Now, those are
just the top one hundred biggest radio markets in the country.
We rank highly in many of them. But Buck, that
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is an awful lot of markets out there. We love
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and a lot of unique areas all over the country
that are currently listening to us the most of any
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for decades. We want to know, take this platform and
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and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. Welcome and everybody to the Wednesday edition.
Always happy when I get the day right of the
Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. So we have a
lot going on to talk to you all about today. Obviously,
we'll dive in just a second here to the gas
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tax holiday situation. Is the Biden regime really gonna pull
this at the last minute and do everything that they
can to buy off the voters, which is really what
this is. It is it is a gimmick to borrow
a term from a Democrat administration. We'll dive into that
here in just a second. And we've also got more
(00:44):
updates on what happened at UV all day. We'll be
discussing that with you in a little bit. Just say,
the details keep getting worse for the law enforcement response.
With more information comes more outrage unfortunately about what happened there.
We will discuss that with you. Also, some major US
cities are having a particularly high year for violence right now,
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including New York and Los Angeles, after all time records
in places like Philadelphia and other cities last year. So
you're seeing cities that are having their worst years of
violence in a long time, and even some that are
having their worst years ever. And when you look at
some of the Democrat policies that are being pushed by
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progressive prosecutors like Gascone and Krasner, I would say Boudan,
but he just got recalled. There's others that we have
to discuss, others that we have to talk about here
as well. That's an important story. We've also got Senator
Josh Holly joining us to talk about the gun control
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legislation Senates pushed through here. I mean they call it bipartisan,
and it technically it is bipartisan. There's a whole lot
more to discuss here about how it's not really going
to do very much, if anything, I would say anything
that's good. It will also leave some open territory for
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abuse of some of the regulations. And we've got our
friend Ian Miller, who is great on the topic of
masks not working and vaccines being overpromised. When it comes there,
he'll be joining us third hour two. So show is
racked and stacked, and I'm here, of course with my
main man, Clay. I'm still down in Key Largo, which
is quite a lovely place to be. Clay is in
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Atlanta and Clay So the federal gas tax, Hollott, let's
just start with this. Even the gas CEOs who usually
you'll notice, they don't usually get into the political fray
because a lot of regulation. They just want to keep
pumping their oil, doing their business. I know there's obviously
lobbyists and such, but they don't speak out against politicians
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that frequently. The Chevron CEO has said Biden basically doesn't
know what the heck he's talking about. Here is Biden's
response play clip one good question on the Chevron CEO's
complaint Today. He said that your administration has largely criticized
the oil and gas industry and at times has vilified it,
and that the administration would need to take a change
(03:19):
in approach in order to make progress. I'm reducing energy
prices and to increase supply. Do you have a reaction
to that, surf I didn't know if they get that quickly.
I mean, does it really think it's a time for jokes?
Clay people can't afford gas. The gas CEO is saying
the Biden regime is clownish and he thinks it's funny
here's what's going on. The Democrats know that nothing else matters.
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All the distractions they're trying to throw up surrounding January sixth,
the potential impact as we go forward, surrounding whatever the
Supreme Court does with Roe v. Wade, All of it
is a big distraction that is not taking away attention
from eight point six percent inflation and how angry every
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single person is when they go to pump their gas
and it's five dollars a gallon. That is every single time.
The essence of this, and the problem with the gas
tax holiday is it's not going to do anything other
than provide a short term show. And the biggest issue
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the Biden administration has is all of the oil and
gas companies know that the Biden administration is opposed to
everything that they do and every aspect of their business.
So take it outside of gas. If you knew that
there was a government that hated what your business was
and they were suddenly desperate for your product because there
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was a midterm election coming up, would you invest billions
of dollars in production when you knew that as soon
as they possibly could, they would cut your legs out
from underneath you and what was a profitable business would
rapidly decline in profitability because remember Bucket, wasn't very long
ago that we were talking about gas prices going negative.
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Do you remember that, Like in March and April of
twenty twenty when everybody was supposed to stay at home
and all this oil was being delivered to the United
States and the price of a barrel of crude oil
actually went into negative territory because there was nowhere to
store it and there was no consumption product in place.
That's what they're afraid of. They're afraid of creating a
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situation where they're drastically oversupplying a market that is trying
to cut the legs out of the business that they
are in the middle of. And so there's no trust,
there's no reciprocity here, there's no reproachment, there is no
relationship because ultimately Democrats want oil and gas, anything other
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than so called clean energy, to vanish and to vanish forever.
And Biden is trying to make the oil and gas
companies responsible for the price of oil and gas, when
if he had allowed the full fruition of our production
from the first place, he wouldn't be going on bended
need of Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran begging for them
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to increase production so that we can replace what we're
losing in Russia. They don't have any plans, folks, not really.
At this point, it is down to gimmicks. You have
to wonder at what phase will Biden just decide to
send Biden stimulus checks even though we're going through a
terrible period of inflation, to effectively buy off as many
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voters as possible at the very end here. And they
can't have it both ways either. You can't have the
Biden regime talking about a move that will bring down
gas prices and Biden doing everything he can on gas prices.
But it's not as fault that gas prices are high, right, Well,
no one's saying it's all his fault. Nothing at a
(06:55):
macroeconomic level is ever entirely the sitting president's fault. But
has he made it worse? Has he made the wrong moves? Yes,
clearly obviously, everybody, including the CEOs of all the fossil
fuel energy companies, but also everybody who's had to pump
gas for the last six months. Nos. Yeah, this administration
has made things more painful, more difficult, and you know
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you still, Clay, I love this. You've got like these.
The Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm can't help herself. John Kerry
can't help himself. They're going around here, You go here,
Graholm saying, yeah, look, things are tough, but what a
great opportunity while you can't afford to drive to work,
to transition to green energy. Place seven. We've got obviously
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all of this upheaval, We've got the coming out of
the pandemic, we've got this obvious invasion of Ukraine on
the energy side, and we've got the moment to think
and act strategically about lifting up communities and building these
supply chains out and building out the installations in a
(08:03):
way that give everyone a chance to succeed. The sixty
four thousand dollars electric vehicle solution to five dollars gas
is maybe the most Marie Antoinette esque move of any
modern political party during our lives. Remember Debbie stab Now,
the Senator from Michigan, bragging about how she had driven
(08:23):
from Michigan to DC and she just kept driving past
in her brand new electric vehicle, all of the high
gas prices and ultimately what's wild here, buck is Barack
Obama actually pointed this out some time ago, that everything
about a gas tax holiday was a gimmick. He said
it back in two thousand and eight. And I would
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imagine there'll be a lot of people playing this because
obviously Joe Biden was the vice president of Barack Obama
at the time that this was said. And guess what Obama,
at least on this scenario was one hundred percent right. Listen.
But for us to suggest that thirty cents a day
for three months is real relief, that that's a real
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energy policy means that we are not tackling the problem
that has to be tackling. We are offering gimmicks when
we're offering the same thing that John McCain's offering on
the cheat. That means we're not presenting a truthful response
to the challenges that we face in America. We can
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do better than that. This time. It's a gimmick. It's
a gimmick. Luck. I would love to hear Joe Biden
actually directly questioned on this. Of course it rarely happens,
but hey, your former president set a gas tax holiday
was a gimmick. Why was he wrong. I would love
to hear that Joe Biden's response to that, and that
(09:52):
they also know Clay where this is all heading. A
Biden administration that has a Republican major already in the
House and even a slim majority in the Senate isn't
going to get any major legislation through. You're going to
hear a lot of class warfare stuff, and obviously depending
on the Republican candidate, there'll be a real focus on
you know, January sixth, all the things that we can expect.
(10:16):
But then it really turns into politically, this country after
the midterms is going to shift right into presidential election mode,
and it's there's not going to be some long holiday.
There's not going to be a honeymoon period of you know,
a year in between. We're going to be shifting right
toward and at that point, with Biden not able to
(10:36):
point to any achievements, and with all the pain that
we're seeing economically in this country, never mind all the
other dysfunction that we talk about. Legal immigration, worst it's
ever been, violent crime the worst it's ever been in
a number of cities a nationwide, the worst it's been
in decades. All these things just point in one direction.
And that is for the one thing that Democrats and
(10:57):
the apparatus are really responsive to, the imminent loss of power,
the massive loss of authority. That's where they're heading. And
so you're already seeing the desperation, right, I mean, come on,
a gas tax holiday is desperate. Honestly, Biden. Even tapping
into the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, it's not really what it's
for now. Politicians play games with things like this, but
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that's supposed to be in the case of an embargo
or award. It's not just gas price a little high.
Let's buy off the voters a little bit. Let's tell
them I'm doing something. The thing that they could do
is encourage not just exploration, not just refining, Encourage fossil
fuel domestic production, and say we're not going to stand
in your way this year or in four years or
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in ten years. We understand this is where the economy is.
They ideologically cannot do that. That is where the rubber
meets the road. Drill, baby, drill. I remember someone distilling
the question of what we should do when it came
to oil and gas, and that is exactly what should
be done. But you're right, when your entire party is
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predicated on the idea of climate change as a destructive
force that must be resolved, then the Green New Deal
energy policies mean you can't actually solve an energy crisis
that has emerged and is continuing to grow and is
probably going to lead to higher gas prices throughout the
course of the summer. And Buck, the discussion here is
(12:25):
about a gas tax holiday until September. Do you really
think they would end it in September or do you
think they would extend it to Oh, I don't know,
November tenth, maybe through Thanksgiving. Oh, we're going to give
everybody a little bit of a break. And I can't
even wait. We'll have to talk about this as it
gets closer to July fourth, more in earnest. Remember last
year when the Biden White House put out the statement
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that you were saving sixteen cents on your Fourth of
July barbecue over the year before thanks to the Biden
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that the twelve and a sixteen cents that you were saving.
We'll talk about this and more. And also you mentioned
twenty twenty four. Got some great guests coming down the line.
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Donald Trump endorsement, Ron De Santis Politico with an interesting
story there about looking ahead and where we might be headed.
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Buck Sexton Show underway. Thanks for being here with us,
as always an honor of privilege and a pleasure to
speak you all across the country. Are you ready to
get your shot every year? And I mean every year,
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and by shot I mean the COVID vaccine that they're
going to keep update. I know a lot of you
are shouting no, But the CEO of Visor he's got
a different plan in mind. We'll talk about this in
a second. We've been calling this out for now over
a year. This was going to be the plan. More
on this one, and yes we were right. Once again.
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We're joined on this issue of where we stand in
the fight against COVID tyranny. By our friend Ian Miller
ofoutkick dot com. That's right. He went to work with
Clay at OutKick. It's a smart man. He also was
the author of Unmasked in its Clay being nice. Absolutely,
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he's been great so far, been been thrilled. It's really exciting, fantastic,
expect nothing less. So tell me, my friend this. Actually,
let's have let's play the CEO of a visor Bordelaw
telling everybody, you know, yeah, shots every year. Let's let's
play that that audio. Do you think we're going to
get updated mRNA vaccines every season that will be directed
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to each new variation of the coronavirus? And what we
have to take those shots every year. I'm almost certain
about it. And I say almost certain because of course
regulators have the final stay and all of that. But
that's the beauty of mRNA. You can adopt your vaccine,
us play change in the sequencing, which is a very
minor change. I mean, you've been on this all along,
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doing great research. They're straight up telling us now that
afies or yeah, you'r mRNA shots forever. That's the plan, right,
And it's it's kind of absurd that he says it
that way, because you know, they haven't updated it so far,
even though we've had multiple different variants, and you know,
as we've seen sometimes there will be three or four
different variants that emerge in a year, and you know,
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so he the thing is going to update three or
four times a year, he's supposed to go get three
or four shots per year, or is he going to
update for the first strain that emerges, which will then
be too late because we'll have two other ones by
the end of the year. You know. And on top
of the fact that the effectiveness of the vaccines has
clearly been waiting, and not just in terms of infection,
but in terms of hospitalizations as well. So it's it's
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just kind of a certain it honestly feels like they're
just trying to sell more product going forward. Yeah, that's
the part ian that really jumps out to me. If
you had a federal mandate that someone had to buy
a for profit product and that they had to do
it every year as far into the future as you
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could see, wouldn't that raise a lot of red flags
for many people? And doors shouldn't it? In addition to
the fact that it's not working very well. An annual
subscription vaccine and vaccine as in quotation marks is probably
the best recurring profit margin that fiser could ever hope for,
given how large the addressable market is and how many
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places are requiring that that market continue to buy that product.
I take it outside of just COVID shots. It feels
incredibly dirty to me that we're even in this situation. Absolutely,
it's hard to imagine a better business model than saying
we have to update our product every year, and the
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federal government's going to mandate that you take it for
many you know, contractors or employers, government employees. On top
of you know, you see things like colleges that are
mandating booster shots for healthy eighteen and nineteen year old
college students. I've recently read about a story a Stamford
student was going to be banned from receiving his diploma,
banned from graduating because he refused to comply with their
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booster mandate even though we'd already had COVID. And you know,
that's another aspect of this that has completely forgotten often
is that you know, CDC is as estimated, seventy five
percent of kids have already had COVID, and yet a
lot of schools are going to be mandating the full
series of vaccinations, then a booster, and now presumably boosters
indefinitely for kids that have already been exposed to COVID
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and have some natural community and protection. We're speaking of.
Ian Mill of OutKick dot com also got a great book, Unmasked,
and he was the guy for any of you who
are on Twitter who was sharing out the graphs of
mask mandates all along and where they went into effect,
and how they didn't work over and over again. In fact,
they didn't work anywhere. And yet we still have people
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I saw people today, Clay even down here wearing masks
that people are still voluntarily not under mandate. But the
Democrat Fauci apparatus still believes in this stuff. Ian, I
want to ask you also, what's your sense is about this?
From the very beginning of the COVID pandemic, we were told,
and it's become I think seared into our brains that
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this was a once in a century pandemic. They spent
trillions of dollars. A lot of that money, as we
see now, was poorly spent, didn't actually help anything, and
has created massive inflation. But Biden's out there telling everybody, well,
it's time to set up more spending for the next pandemic,
as if it's right around the quarter. Here's what the
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here's what the Biden White House is saying about this
play that cut. Please eight, how many of the nation's
kids will you be able to get vaccinated before you
need more money from timers? Well, we'll get through least
this year. We do need more money, but we don't
just need more money for vaccines for children. Eventually we
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need more money to fan for the second pandemics. There's
going to be another pandemic. We have to think ahead.
So first of all, need more money for shots for
kids that kids don't actually need based on the data.
And Biden seems very certain that the next once in
a century pandemic is right around the corner. Yeah, that's
it's very concerning to hear them say that. And of
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course that money will be distributed to the same public
health bureaucrats and supposed experts that have completely failed during
this once in a century pandemic. You know that all
of the measures that they did, the interventions have completely failed.
You know, That's what the book is about. It's all
my writing. A lot of my writing has been about
showing that all these things that we did that as
we're now experiencing, have had a huge tremendous unintended consequences
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and side effects. They all failed. So in response to that,
which most people now universally kind of agree that it
was a failure, in response, we need to give them
more money to prepare for whatever next. Once in essentially
pandemic is coming. And that's a major concern that all
these measures that we seem don't work are going to
continue to be brought back in the future now because
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the public health experts and democrats have decided they work
based off of no data whatsoever. Ian, you just mentioned
that seventy five percent of kids, based on data from
the spring, have already been exposed to COVID. Yesterday, kids
ages six months to five years old became eligible for
COVID shots, and again some of them are gonna have
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to get three shots. This is, as you heard from
the Fiser CEO, potentially going to be going forward for
years to come. You wrote about the data at OutKick
and did a great job there. What would you tell
parents out there listening to us right now? The data
shows about the efficacy levels for six months to five
year old COVID shots given the fact that seventy five
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percent of these kids essentially have already had COVID at
least right, well, I think the data is shown pretty
conclusively the natural immunity provides better protection against infection and
severe outcomes than the vaccines do for all age groups,
but especially for children, there's there's really been no benefit,
and the trials didn't even present a benefit. You know.
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Their own estimates of vaccine efficacy for these age groups
was for the first like I think it was six
months to two years, was something like fourteen percent against
infection and then thirty percent against the severe infection for
the slightly older age groups, So that would have failed
the initial standard that the FDA set. They initially wanted
fifty percent efficacy to emergency authorize a vaccine. This would
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have for kids, but they approved it anyway, and because
they changed how they measured it by using something called
immuno bridging. I mean, it's it's really ludicrous, and they
try to justify it by presenting COVID as a leading
cause of death for these younger age groups. Except the
way that they measured this leading cause of death ranking
was completely misleading, which is what I wrote about Route kicked,
that they kind of conflated two different ways of counting
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to make it appear that COVID is deadli or for
young kids than it actually is. So it's really it's
another concerning incident of the CDC kind of manipulating data
to try to get the outcome they want. And you know,
I preparents would be I would be very hesitant. You know,
we don't have a lot of great long term safety
data on this for this age group, and there really
was no significant benefit jump by the FDA we're speaking of.
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Ian Miller of OutKick dot Com has a great book
on the failure of mask mandates called Unmasked. Ian, I
just want to know, based on you've been following the
COVID issue very closely for a long time now, and
it seems to me that when they're talking about vaccines
for kids, covidvaccines for kids and also omicron specific vaccines,
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that we have to assume that it's going to be
a new then multiple dose right or if not, why not?
Because it seems to me that the vaccine that is
currently a proof for children is a three dose vaccine,
as I understand it, because the first two showed no
real efficacy whatsoever, so they said, let's just give him
another shot. Well, if they're going to do an omicron
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specific shot, wouldn't that then also likely be three mRNA doses?
And oh, by the way, won't we probably be facing
a non omicron new variant this fall again? If not?
Why not? Yeah, exactly, that's a great point. This series
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is three doses, but it's based off the same vaccine
that they're giving to adults. I think it's different dosages,
but it's three shots. And then, exactly, as you say,
if they need to update a phramicron, is that going
to be another three dose series? And then for the
next variant, another three dose series after that. And again,
by the time they even get the almicron variant up,
there will likely be another new dominant variant that has
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popped up. As we've seen, it moves very quickly with
the strains of the coronavirus. And so again it's it's
like we're doing we're trying to do something that doesn't
really have a demonstrable benefit for this age group who's
had an incredibly low risk for serious illness from COVID anyway.
I mean the COVID was something like twenty five times
less likely to cause death among young children than accidents.
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But you know, and then down the road, we're going
to keep adding more and more shots to this series
when we don't really have any long term data on
it yet and we haven't demonstrated clear benefit. It's really
to me, it's inexcusable that the I mean clay it
really is the sixth or the ninth or the twelfth
shot though, that will solve it forever. Yeah, Ian, you
wrote a great book about masks and how poorly they worked.
By the way, I'd encourage all of you go follow
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at E. N. M sc on Twitter. He does a
fantastic job giving you data and analytics surrounding this by plays.
Buck basically lives on Broadway starting July, I do I
live above a Broadway theater? Essentially? Yes, yes, I mean
July first, they are going to end the mask mandate
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on Broadway plays. Why in the world are they randomly
deciding to do this? And has there been any justification
whatsoever for wearing masks inside of Broadway plays? Based on
the data that you have seen across the country. Well,
of course not. And it's funny because you know, we've
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had NBA events that are essentially the same thing, twenty
thousand people in an enclosed arena going on for months
with no negative impacts, with no mask required anywhere. I mean,
we just saw the NBA Finals with nobody wearing a
mask in any either of the venues, and it's it's
been kind of ludicrous that they've continued it this long
and this has been what they do. They've pick an
arbitrary date and it's like, oh, it'll be safe July first,
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you know, why not June twenty eighth. Oh, nobody has
an explanation. What's also concerning, though, is that they said
that they're going to reevaluate that decision every month, So
you know, you could buy a ticket for a Broadway
show expecting to go to have it be mask free,
and then the next month they could decide, actually, we
need to bring it back now based off of nothing,
and then you could, you know, have spent three hundred
dollars on a ticket and be forced to wear a mask.
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So it's another episode of this kind of ludicrous, arbitrary
thinking that these the mask canatics do, and it's it's
kind of crazy. No matter how much data accumulates that
there are still some segments of the population and just
can't give it up. He's Ian Miller. Were excited to
have him writing at OutKick. You can go check him
out at OutKick dot com. You can follow him on
Twitter at ian MSc. Appreciate the time a man, keep
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the program and I tease this as we went to break,
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I think it's going to be a reality. I believe
that Ronda Santis, governor of Florida, is going to be
running against Donald Trump for the twenty twenty four presidential
nomination on behalf of the Republican Party. And Politico has
a story that went up early this morning that Rhonda
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Santis is not asking for Donald Trump's indorsement in the
state of Florida, according to four people I'm reading from Politico.
According to four people connected to the governor and former president,
DeSantis has not asked Trump for a formal endorsement and
isn't planning to. It's a clear sign de Santis, who
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more than four years ago was a little known congressman
from northeast Florida, has risen high in the gop stratosphere,
and they are expecting now that there is going to
be There's a New Yorker article we talked about it
that hinted edit had quotes from Trump. I think that
we are headed for a major battle between DeSantis and
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Trump in twenty twenty three. As we run into the
twenty twenty four presidential election, now things can still change.
Buck Rohn de Santis has got to win reelection in
Florida this November. His wife has been unhealthy. She had
breast cancer. Appears fortunately to have recovered from that, but
there are potential health considerations there. Trump is obviously over
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the age of seventy five. He seems to be in
great health right now, but that's always worth mentioning two.
But it appears increasingly likely that that is going to
be a battle of Leviathans in the Republican Party for
twenty twenty four's nomination. I feel like the rest of
the country is going to have to ask for Rhn
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de Santis too. They got to ask Floridians to be
willing to part with their favorite governor because we got
audience is now listening Fla, Tampa, Iod, Miami, all up
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and he's heading into to a presidential Well, let's be honest.
I mean, do they want to even give him up
to the to the White House, But certainly even to
a presidential election would be a big, a big shift
in focus that would have curled. I think people can
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handle keep people do handle both those things. I just
say this though, Clay, Um he's gonna win reelection. It
looks like in the governor's race in Florida, not by
a little bit, but by a major amount, and also
will have changed the registrations of hundreds of thousands from
down a few hundred thousand to the Democrats to upstate
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Thirty years this president murder or murder, suicide after suicide,
mass shooting after mass shooting, Congress did nothing. This week.
We have a chance to break this thirty year period
of silence with a bill that changes our laws in
a way that will save thousands of lives. It is
a compliment, It is a bipartisan compromise. It is a
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path forward to the way that both Republicans and Democrats
can work together to address some of the most vexing,
most difficult challenges this nation faces. We have a chance
to show parents and kids and families that we take
their safety seriously and we are prepared to do not
just something, but something that saves lives in order to
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protect them. I would send a Democrat Chris Murphy on
the Senate advancing this bypartisan gun restriction legislation. What does
it do actually and why are they claiming that it
will save lives? In what way would this save lives?
And what ways would this perhaps create due process and
(35:03):
even constitutional concerns. We're joined by Senator Josh Holley of Missouri,
who has a lot of thoughts on this and more.
Senator always, good to have you, Hey, thanks for having me,
great to be with you. What do you think of
this legislation? And we were trying to talk about this
on the show and the last couple of weeks, and
it was always, well, it's a framework, there's no text,
(35:24):
and now did anyone even see this text before they
voted on it. It feels like they did this one
behind closed doors and no one gets to know what's
going on. Yeah, that's about right, that's about right. It's
weeks of closed door negotiations where nobody knows exactly what's
going on. And then yesterday, in typical DC fashion, they
dropped the bill eighty some pages into our laps and say, okay,
(35:46):
now vote on it. You know, it's just incredible, especially
for legislation as fundamental as this that touches and affects
every law abiding citizen Second Amendment right. So I voted
no on this and I'm opposed to it. What the
bill does, see answer your question a second ago, as
it pays states to set up programs to take away
Second Amendment rights from lawbyding citizens. By the way, that
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includes nineteen states that already have these red flag laws
where you don't get due process before your guns are
taken away, where you can be accused and have them
taken away before there's any crime that you're accused of,
let alone convicted of. All of those states are going
to get money under this bill. They're going to get paid,
and all the other states are going to get paid
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and encouraged to set up laws like this. So this
is not a bill that I can support, not by
a mile, and to me, it doesn't do anything to
address the real problem here, which is crime. In criminals
who commit acts of violence with firearms, they're the ones
who ought to be punished here, not lawbiding citizens. Yeah, Center, Holly,
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I'm glad you mentioned that, because Buck and I have
talked about on the show that even if we were
able to eliminate every mass shooting in this country, which
certainly we would be in favor of, ninety nine percent
of violence would still be occurring. Why do you think
the conversation never goes to, Hey, let's put way more
cops back out on the streets and let's put violent
(37:09):
criminals behind bars for longer periods of time, two things
we did in the nineties that were proven to drastically
improve overall quality of life and reduce violence in this country.
And yet it's almost as if that can't be discussed
in any measure. Yeah. And the reason for that, Clay,
is the Democrats are pro criminal. I mean, that's why.
(37:30):
These are the people who think that we have too
many people in jail and that we have sentences that
are too lengthy, and that we ought to just let
folks out. And they're doing that, by the way, all
over the country. This is why we have a crime wave,
is because all over the country, soft on crime mayors
and governors and liberal das are out there not enforcing
the laws we're talking about violent crime. By the way,
we're not talking about petty offenses violent crime. They're not
(37:53):
enforcing the laws, and the Democrats don't want to, So
you're exactly right. What we ought to be doing is
putting more cops on the street, giving every cop in
America a pay raise, and we ought to be increasing
the sentences for violent offenders, including people who try to
bring a firearm to a crime and use it. But
that is exactly what they do not want to do,
the Democrats, because they don't want to actually get tough
(38:16):
on crime and criminals. It's just it's exactly backwards, and
that's another reason why I'm not going to support this legislation.
It doesn't crack down on criminals. It just goes after
lawbiding citizens, and I'm against that. Speaking to Senator Josh
Holley of Missouri, Senator, we never have enough time to
go through all of the crises that the Biden administration
(38:36):
is not only facing, but we argue day in and
day out here on the show has made worse in
some cases, has really created of their all through their
own doing. The gas situation right as Clay and I
were on are about thirty minutes ago, Biden spoke on
this and called on Congress to suspend the federal gas
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tax play clip thirty two, going on Congress to suspend
the federal gas tax for the next ninety days through
the busy summer season, busy travel season. Here's what that means.
Every time you go to the gas station to fill
your tank, the federal government charges an eighteen cents tax
per gallon and gas that you purchase, and a twenty
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four cent tax per gallon of diesel you purchase. It's
a tax that's been around for ninety years. It's important
because we use it for the Highway Trust Fund to
keep our highways going. But what I'm proposed is suspending
the federal gas tax without affecting the Highway Trust Fund. So, Senator,
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for my math year and back of the Napkin math
on radio is always dangerous. So even if this happens,
people were paying six dollars a gallon might be paying
what about five forty two give or take yeah, for
like a few weeks, and then it'll go right back up.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of.
I mean, what Joe Biden can do if he wants
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to have any effect on gas prices is to suspend
and reverse his idiotic Green New Deal policies that are
causing this crisis. Let's not forget this is the guy
who when he came into office, the first thing he
did was suspend oil and gas leases, get rid of
our pipelines, cancel them, shut down American energy production. I mean,
and he boasted about it at the time, he bragged
(40:25):
about it, how he was going to be the climate
change president. Well, now we are getting the Green New Deal,
and we're getting it good and hard, and nobody can
afford to develop the tank or buy groceries, or by
critical goods and services because all of it is affected
by the price of energy. So and by the way,
it's just isn't anybody else tired of seeing the President
of the United States up there blaming everybody in anybody
(40:46):
but himself. He won't take responsibility for anything. It's almost
like he isn't president, which you know, if that's what
he wants, we'd be happy to accommodate him. So doubt
is just absurd how much success our Republicans going to
be able to put forward in terms of just stopping
Joe Biden from being able to pass anything else. And
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the reason why I ask is it's clear buildback better
would have made inflation so much worse than it already was,
and he has created eight point six percent inflation with
many of the policy choices he's made. Now, do you
think we're going to be able to effectively run out
the clock and keep any more disastrous legislation from passing
before the midterms, or do you think Democrats, seeing the
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shellacking that's coming, are just going to throw up their
hands and say we better get stuff past now while
we still have a majority. How would you assess the
landscape right now in the Senate and in the House
in terms of Biden's ability to get more bad bills
passed before we get into officially the campaign season. Well,
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I would just say that if Republicans will hang together
in the Senate, you know, it takes sixty to get
anything done in the Senate, and all Republicans have to
do is to stand together and say no, we're not
going to go along. And this is one of the
reasons that this gun legislation disappoints me, is we should
be clear about this. This will has to pass with
Republican votes. It cannot get through without at least ten
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Republican votes, and I just think it's a big, big mistake.
So I hope the Republicans will want to stand strong
between now and November a Senate Republicans in particular will
say no to the Biden agenda. I think it's critical,
and I think we've got to give voters a reason
to vote Republican. I mean, Republicans have got us stand
strong and should have got backbone. Why else would people
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vote for us? Very good question, Senator Josh Holly of Missouri, Senator,
appreciate you, Sarah, Thanks so much. Hey, thanks for having me. Folks.
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Appreciate all of you hanging out with us, gonna tee
off on all these crazy parents who are getting their
kids six months to five years old, the COVID shot,
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which officially began yesterday. But we told you on this
show that we believe we're probably already in a recession.
The richest man in the world, well, Elon Musk, he
says recession is inevitable. Joe Biden claiming that recession is
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not inevitable. Whose side you're going to take, the guy
who understands business and has built the largest wealth almost
in the history of the country, or the guy who's
been in government for over forty years and basically never
accomplished anything. Here's Elon Musk responding to Biden. Joe has
just come out and said that a recession in America
is not inevitable. How do you feel about the economy, Well,
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I think a recession is inevitable at some point. As
to whether there is a recession in the near tone,
I think that is more likely than not. You agree
with Elon Musk. If you had to pick a side
to be on, would you either be on Joe Biden's
opinion on the economy or Elon Musk's opinion on the economy.
So here's what's going on. The Biden administration is hoping
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that they can bolster sentiment. I mean, this is really
you know, fingers and toes in the dam as it's
cracking kind of a policy, right, But they're hoping that
they can bolster sentiment just enough that we eke out
another quarter or two here without being formally in a recession,
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because the only thing that might drive their political hopes
down into the dumps more than the super high price
of gas is when everybody has to because it becomes
a definitional issue use the R word recession when you
have people saying, because it's gonna, you know what, it's
gonna be called the Biden recession. They're gonna try to
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call it, you know, the Trump recession, or the Biden
Transition to Greatness plan or some such lunacy. But it's
gonna be the Biden recession, and we all know it.
And I gotta tell you, I talked to a friend
of mine. I'll just say it. I talked to him.
We talked on air about this yesterday on TV side
Ned Ryan, who's a super smart we've had him most
show many times Great Guy Super Squared Away runs American Majority.
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And I said, so, what are we really looking at here, Clay?
He said, based on the numbers, and he's plugged in
with the political consultants and he knows how these races
are going. Anything that Biden won by twelve to fifteen
points in twenty twenty is in play, and maybe some
outliers of fifteen to twenty points that meeting Biden won
(46:57):
by fifteen or twenty points then could be in play
in this mid term, which means I don't know if
we've ever seen something like this. Well, to put it
in a context, we just saw a Texas thirty fourth
congressional district that myra floor as one. It's swung by
twenty one points. So the Democrat congressman one by fourteen.
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She won by about seven So that's a twenty one
point swing. That kind of could put into a rough
outline some of these districts and how they could change.
And by the way, yesterday I told everybody out there, hey,
it's our one year anniversary. I want to think the
specific markets that we have been number one in buck
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are you ready during the course of this year? You
know it I love it. I've got it. I am
ready to roll. We have been number one, and this
is in order of the market size, so I'm not
trying to favor one or the other. This is market size,
top one hundred markets. We have been number one in Houston,
in Phoenix, in San Diego, in Denver, in Salt Lake City,
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in Sacramento, Austin, Texas, Columbus, Ohio, Raleigh, Durham, Milwaukee, Greensboro,
North Carolina, Memphis, Tennessee, Fort Myers and Naples, Louisville, Kentucky, Birmingham, Alabama, Tucson, Arizona, Albany,
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New York, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Des Moines, Iowa, Omaha, Spokane
and Spokane, Washington, and Syracuse, New York. Now, those are
just the top one hundred biggest radio markets in the country.
We rank highly in many of them. But Buck, that
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is an awful lot of markets out there. We love
all of you. Those are a lot of big cities
and a lot of unique areas all over the country
that are currently listening to us the most of any
radio show. And we want to use this platform, this
legendary platform built created by held up by Rush Lumbaugh
for decades. We want to know, take this platform and
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make sure this audience feels focused, informed, entertained, and fired
up for our first full scale election together friends in
this mid term. So we are on a mission. You
are part of this mission. You are the mission to
save the country, my friends. That's the plant flat. Travis
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