December 24, 2025 • 52 mins
🎄In this special Christmas episode of The David Rutherford Show, Rut explores the true meaning of Christmas — the birth of Christ, the origin of faith, and why sacrifice is the foundation of meaning, courage, and civilization. From ancient tribal survival to biblical prophecy and modern chaos, Rut explains how faith shapes strong men, strong families, and free societies. This is not religion as an accessory — this is faith as a living force that governs who you become.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today on the David Rutherford Show, The Birth of Faith
and how ideas emerge and transfer into our entire belief systems.
What's up, everybody? Instructor Rutherford Old rut here on my
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annual Christmas show, and I want to coming down to
the wire at the end of every year. In this
show in particular, you know, I spend a lot of
time trying to figure out how to interlace the sensation
of what's taking place in the country and where I live,
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in my life, with my children, with my friends, on
the show, what I do for a living, and I
try and allow all of the confluence of that consternation
of my my perpetual debate which is taking place in
my mind to naturally unfold this idea. And you know,
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it kind of really started. I had an incredible opportunity.
There's a woman who's acted as a therapist for me
for a long time, and it's not it is some
emotional therapy, but she she does therapy on my body.
She's a physical therapist, a seuse, but she's a healer
and and so recently I had the incredible opportunity she
came over the house, and you know she is you know,
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she has limited or has really reduced the amount of
work she does. But she was in town, knew I
needed work. We used to do a lot of work
together when I for ten years after I got out
of the military and came over and so we sat
down on our table, and I was on that table
for almost two and a half hours, and in that discussion,
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and we have an hour discussion leading up. That's our
primer for doing deep tissue work, as this philosophical and
theological analysis of of of a bunch of things. And
we started to talk about, you know, dropping the seeds
of not only our faith, but the seeds of love
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for other people, the seeds of motivation, seeds of strength,
seeds of courage, seeds of duty. Told her about this
great conversation I had had with my great friend Dan Luna,
doctor Dan Luna, Team six buddy of mine, who is
you know, really talked. We had this great talk recently
about the idea of duty for a man and what
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that means. And it's not so much about the profound
nature of your own meaning or your own motivation, but
more importantly the duty you have to the people that
depend on you. Right, that was his his idea of
what the seed, the most critical seed is one of
the most critical seeds for not rising to the occasion,
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but more in line of cultivating an idea, right, cultivating
a frame of reference, a philosophical thought uh and ideology,
and allowing that seed to enter into your soul and
germinate and begin to grow. And I think, what Christmas
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if you get rid of the extemporaneous materialism of of
of Christmas, which I think you know, I think most
people have a moment or two during these holidays where
they pause for a second and they go, Wow, this
is much deeper than you know, getting my latest flat
screen TV or my paddle board or whatever it is
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I'm hoping for new player, Chuck Te's whatever your your
your goals are for your your gifts this year. But
it's it's that moment of like, all right, what's this
all mean? And what is the thing that is driving
me forward to have the courage first, the motivation to
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take another step forward, to wake up every day and
check out my opposable thumbs and take a deep breath
and march forth once more unto the breach. And I
think the idea of that the core of the motivation
stems from what your faith is involved in, right, And
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you know, obviously at Christmas it's a deeply religious connotation
of the birth of Jesus Christ and what that did
for billions of people since that moment, you know, two
out twenty one hundred and twenty five years ago, soon
to be twenty six years ago, that that that the
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living Messiah emerged out of Bethlehem. But before I get
into that, I first want to just spend a little
bit of time on how the birth of faith can
take place in our lives generally, because if you go
before Christ, you know, five thousand, ten thousand Syrians, Marians,
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if you go twenty thousand, right, ancient Abrahamic Abrahamic stories
or stories that we don't even know, ancient cultures, fifty thousand,
one hundred thousand. Hell, there was a Chinese Chinese archaeologist
said they found a Homo Sapien skull that was dated
a million years old. So how was faith being birthed
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during those times? And I think, you know it's people
want to say, Oh, it's the birth of faith emerged
when you didn't get eaten, or the elem mins didn't
destroy you, or you bonded with another tribe or clan
in order to survive another attacking bond or or you know,
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clan that was trying to take you out, or savages
or you know, whatever was out there waiting for you
in the dark, right in the the estimation of chaos,
that was his and that has always been all around us.
So what takes place around that fire, right, What takes
place in that cave or in that that hide, or
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in that domicile that you hack out of the earth.
You know what takes place in those moments? And I
think you know, all human beings, you know, regardless of
us living now or us living thousands and thousands or
hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, you know
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what takes place is the birth of these these ideas
or these behaviors, or these uh series of exchanges, or
the game that is played, or the selfless selflessness or
the sacrifice or all these components kind of percolate into
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these moments where someone or something or someone most likely
and in those moments begins to explain or articulate or
to pontificate about these things that guide us, right, you know.
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Jordan Peterson describes it as as the observable behavioral patterning,
the observable and iterable behavioral patterns that take place over
tens of thousands of years. Right, and after a particular
group or species group within our species groups around they
see these things, they begin to formulate a construct of
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what they believe to be true, what they have faith in, right,
whether they're you know, I know that if I choose
this person, then my seed will continue. Right, and then
how does it continue in some relevant manner within the
clanner tribe? Well, if they become strong, if they learn
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to farm, if they learn to sacrifice, if they can hunt,
if they can fight, if they are good at the
game of selfless participation, then all of a sudden, I
start to see this take place over and over. Well,
as a leader or elder of the tribe or a
warrior of the tribe. Then all of a sudden, they
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start telling these stories, and these stories emerge, and they
emerge in a way where they seem to quantify the
things that give us meaning or the things that enable
us to survive collectively or to thrive. Also, because it's
not just about survival, right, It's not just about making
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it through each day. Although that was certainly, and is
a massive part of it. For many people, every day
is day to day around the world right now. Think
about you know, the soldiers that are in the trenches
in Ukraine right now, or you know, think about the
children that are being trafficked and abused all over the
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world right now, right every day is a day they
have to find or have a rebirth of faith that
sparks motivation to survive. Or even young men in America
right now. I had two unbelievable conversations this morning, both
with really exceptional young men that are putting forth the
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same question to me, like how do I know what
direction to follow? Like how do I know what I
want to become in my life? You know? And as
a person that has spent an exorbitant amount of time
contemplating these things and contemplating my faith and contemplating, you know,
my life experience in several rebirths throughout my adult life,
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I think I have a tendency to offer some type
of rational explanation for how this transpires. And so today
again what I wanted to really drill down on for
all of you is that this time specifically is about
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a birth of a specific faith, right Now, what I
find utterly fascinating about this particular story, in this particular
birth of of Jesus Christ, was that, you know, if
you look at the historical context of the Bible, maybe
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not the historical but but the certainly the prophecy of
the Bible for hundreds, if not thousands of years prior
to Jesus Christ being born, there was a bunch of prophecies.
In fact, Jordy, when you look that up for me,
how many prophecies of christ birth took place in the
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Old Testament? Yep. So you know, as I go and
reflect in my Bible last night and this morning, you know,
you think about, all right, you know, the build up
of this particular birth, and what does it say, JORDI,
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all right, So there's not.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
A universally agreed upon number, but there are at least
eight very direct explicit prophecies and forty to six messianic
properties overall that Jesus fulfills major ones. Where Isaiah seven fourteen,
the version shall conceive and bear's son born in Bethlehem
Micah five two, but you, Bethlehem, out of you shall
come forth for me one who is to be ruler
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in Israel, and then the big one. Let me scroll down.
If they have Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh they don't have it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's crazy, was it Isaiah fifty two fifty three?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Four?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Somewhere in there where it's like, basically, they just he
just describes Jesus Christ and pull it up.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Pull it up and read it. Read it for us,
because this is relevant. You have to understand the relevance
of this, and because what I'm trying to lay out
for you is that the birth of an idea, right,
the birth of something you believe in that can shape
and guide pretty much every principle that you adhere to
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in life. Think about the magnitude of what that does
for what the consistency of a group? Right? Nope, these
these are the way we're going to do it. These
are the laws we're gonna here do. This is what
we're going to do because this shapes our behaviors in
a way that doesn't descend into our devolve into mass
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chaos and killing and butchering and savagery. Right, did you
bring it up? Did you find it? Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Isaiah fifty three. This is a highly debated verse between
the Jewish and Christian religions. But Isaiah fifty three written
about seven hundred years before Jesus describes a single innocent
man who dies as a substitutionary sacrifice for others. He
was despised and rejected by men, A man of sorrows
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and acquainted with grief. Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows. He was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought
us peace was upon him. And by his wounds we
are healed. And so it goes on.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's pretty powerful, and that happens seven hundred years prior
to Christ being born and evolving into my Messiah. And
I think Jeordi's as well too, absolutely, And so my
point I'm trying to make is that there are ideas
that develop right in the fertile soil of your heart
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and of your soul for long, long periods of time,
and so as as what is the component that transpires
that creates this birth, this new life, Because I mean,
that's what birth is, right, The essence of our entire
existence is the continued birth of new life, right, birth
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of new trees, birth of new nature, birth of new species,
birth of new fish, birth of new cows, birth of
new chickens, birth all the things that we need as
a sustenance survive. It continues to happen. That's the cycle.
And then with us what else. We continue to have children,
and you know, those children move into a place where
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they what they birth into adults. Right, they metamorphosize from
you know, child children and that need consummate protection to
becoming independent and then moving out and facilitating their own
growth and their own participation in whatever things they believe
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in or have faith in. And so this process is
perpetual in nature. You can argue that it's it's infinite
in nature, as many people theorize that, you know, the
there is no beginning or no end to the infinites
of the universe. It's perpetually dying and living and being reborn,
much like the perpetual nature of if you're blessed enough
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to have the cycle of recreation. Right, Jordan, beautiful wife
just had their first child, thereby stepping into a long
legacy of births that have been taking place in his family. Right,
I have four daughters. Right again, you know, I'm constantly,
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you know, begging them to each to have six to
eight children. I'm hoping, you know, Trump passes some law
that says, all right, after four children, there the rest
are tax free, you know, until they're making in their
own living. But I'm not gonna hold my breath. But
the point I'm trying to say is that that's the continuation,
that's that that that birth of faith and the faith
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is that there's something worth living for, there's something worth
committing to having children, you know, the idea of children
and then children coming into your life and then doing
whatever you need to do to grow those children into
people that can then model or emulate the hundreds of
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thousands of iterable behaviors millions billions of iterable behaviors that
have taken place across the time and history. And so
when I take a step back and go, what are
the most fundamental ideas of birth and rebirth that take
place every single day? For me? First and foremost, you know,
it's gratitude. Right, I wake up and I'm grateful that
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I'm still alive. You know, I think the most notorious
or famous thing that I answer people when they go, hey, Rod,
how you doing, My answer is pretty much the same.
I'm doing great. I'm above dirt, right, and not that
being dead, because my faith proves me if I die
and I'm a Christian and I repent for my sins,
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that I'll have eternal life. But that's another birth of
an idea. But let me just focus on, you know,
the status quo of living itself now, you know, from
that infancy of gratitude, then I move into the next phase,
which is, all right, how am I going to earn
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my place in this life? Right? What is the motivation
that's going to drive me forward? And for me, first
and foremost is my faith right and to try and
live an apostolic life if you will, or to live
a life imbued by the message of Christ. And God
knows I have failed that many, many, many times, and
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luckily I've repented, try to repent regularly for it. But
that's the rebirth that takes the birth that takes place
every day. And then what else is reborn every day?
My faith in my children, my spouse, my beautiful wife.
I have to rebirth that faith in my wife in
her commitment to my commitment to her, so then that
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she feels the rebirth in me every day, and then
is reborn in the face she has in me with
my children, four teenage daughters. You want to talk about
a struggle for rebirth. Every day trying to convince them
that my faith in them is eternal, but every day
trying to show active, a living and active faith in them,
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right through what through my dedication to them, my protection
of them, my representing a strong male role model for them,
to teach them, to guide them, to shepherd them, to
inspire them to seek out the beauty of developing and
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birthing their own ideology, their own faith, what they believe in.
So all of that has taken place every day in
our lives, no matter what, even if you have a
shitty ass day right and you're like this sucks, I'm
calling up in my under my covers, I'm not getting
out of bed, I'm gonna eat twenty five gummies, I'm
gonna drink or I'm gonna get higher whatever, even if
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you don't, even if I'm just gonna just isolate, ignore,
and not engage in the process that allows for rebirth.
Every day, I'm gonna bury myself. I'm gonna bury my thoughts.
I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, get under the soil again. Now,
in certain occasions, if you are lost. There's there's a
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benefit to that. I I don't think it's healthy long term,
but certainly to check yourself and to sit in that quiet,
in that darkness, to contemplate a rebirth of sorts every day,
to emerge back with a courageous posture if you will.
I think, you know, sometimes taking a step back and
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evaluating is good. To let the breadth of seeds that
have been given you right since you were a child, right,
the ultimate seed of life, the seed of influence, the
seed of life experience, the seed of friendship, the seed
of relationships, the seed of your own faith as well too,
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And so that that birth is critical for us now.
I believe the greatest seats are attained through a courageous
will to sacrifice for others, just like what you know,
the story of Christ himself. I think that's that's the rebirth.
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That's the birth and the rebirth right, and that's that's
the pinnacle of this these stories. That's that's the benchmark,
that's the reset point that we always come back to.
Right and now, obviously, when this story took place, you know,
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twenty one hundred years ago, you got to imagine the
context of what was taking place with Rome's control of Jerusalem, right,
the flailing Egyptian empires, right, the growth of all these
other place what was taking place in China or other
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parts in the world. Well, really you know this, this this,
you know, female virgin, as the story goes, right, is
impregnated miraculously through through through a Messianic influence of God,
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the pure woman, and and the next thing, you know,
we're We're in this masterfully written Gospel of Matthew. Right,
and it really his as it was synthesized when I
put it in for groc it was this is what
it says. Right. The metaphor oracle and theological focus is
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Matthew emphasizes Jesus as the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and
the Messianic king. From David's line, the stories draws parallels
to Moses flight to Egypt, Herod the Pharaoh betraying Jesus
as the new liberator of Israel. The magi represent the
gentile recognition of this kingship, while the virgin birth underscores
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divine intervention in Jesus's sinless nature as your savior. All right,
So this birth of the idea, right, this birth of Christ. Right,
what does that idea represent for all of us? First,
it's the purity of this this being right that had
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a lineage of the prophecy, right, that all of a sudden, like, hey,
you're going to be the vessel for the living God.
Now imagine you're I would assume she was teenage girl, right,
maybe eighteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old, something like that.
You know, all of a sudden, these angels, she has
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these visions. Guess what, We're gonna pregnate you. Who yeah, Now,
all of a sudden she's pregnant. Yeah yeah, yeah, who yah,
you know you're pregnant. And now Joseph, her hubby, is like,
what the hell's going on here? How's this happened? And
she's like, you gotta trust me, you gotta trust this
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idea from the very get go as the idea was born,
which kind of freaked her out, I would imagine, and
then she's like accepts it, and then all of a
sudden she's pregnant, and now she shares with Joseph, just
a man who loves her. Hey, by the way, I
got pregnant by some these angel things, and I'm gonna
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have you know the Messiah like wait, like what wait,
what are you talking? Wait? What? Yeah? And now all
of a sudden that seed is planted in him. Does
how does that seed grow inside of him? It's through
what his faith in her right, And that's how it works.
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Like you put your faith and what the people you
care about are telling you. Honestly, you still have to
go through the walk of it, like he had to
watch all of a sudden belly grow. Then people are like, Oh,
you're having a baby. That's great. He's thinking, well, I
hope the kid looks like me, you know, hoping she's
not lying to me. Is this going to affect me
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and my standing? Am I going to be able to
you know, literally find work or have a farm or
take care of my family? I don't even know what
does this mean? Mess I I don't you know. And
so he's having to birth all of these new ideas
based on this blind faith and his wife.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Mary, to his credit, he supports her fully. He did
like fully embraces it. I'm sure he went through all
the emotions that a man would go through, obviously, and
how did he respond well? Fully protected her actually right
from all of the public opinion of I'm sure what
she faced.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, and it must have been. I mean, you know,
people have you know, twenty five abortions and they're celebrated
as heroes. Right, That's not the way it was back then.
It was you know, antiquity, and there was very distinct
guidelines and structures that mandated social exchanges and social normal
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norms and rules and laws, religious laws and Roman laws,
like the governance was. There was not a lot of
great tolerance that you know, we assume today. It was
a big problem, big major yeah. And so all of
a sudden it happens, right, and you know, so I
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think as I went to the next and you know,
only two of the fundamental four gospels talk about the birth,
and the other is Luke. And so this is what
it said for Luke. Luke II likes humility, inclusivity, and
universal salvation, the lowly setting, the manger, the shepherds as
first witnesses, you know, and I love that story of
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them being out in the fields and the angels approven.
They're like, hey, go in here and witness this, and
they're like, uh okay. You know, meanwhile they're like, what
did I just witness? What did I just see? You.
I just felt this holy spirit. Now I'm going to
go in this manger and I'm going to watch this
impoverish these peasants and this woman have this child that
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is like got this angels around Like I mean, you're
like again, you're you're having to have faith in this
experience that this new idea is emerging from you. And
it's not like being like this is dumb, this is stupid.
I'm out. It's like, Okay, I'll take another step with this,
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and I'll take another step, and I'll take another step,
and with each step you're taking what's happening right, just
as in Luke, it's you know, Mary is the central
role and songs that emphasize joy and reversal of power,
you know, rich versus the poor, the mighty versus the
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humble right, and Jesus as the savior for all nations,
right Jews and Gentiles alike, for Muslims, for atheist agnostics,
like this is the birth of the person that is
going to provide you with the true seed of faith
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that exists within this faith in each other in a
willingness to be forgiven right led by our savior in
this child, Jesus Christ. And the virgin birth of both
birth affirms divine origin amid everyday human circumstances. Now, you know,
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modern day, you know, someone pops up like, oh, I
didn't have sex and I'm gonna have this baby. People
are gonna be like, you're full of shit, lie detector test,
pregnancy tests, DNA test, you know, and chastise and thrown away,
and and so they what we we I think there's
faith has almost become a commodity of sorts, and I've
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been seeing a lot of that lately online, people utilizing
their faith as a as a way to magnify loyalty tests,
or to magnify their transactional abilities online, or to validate
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their stance of of of influence or prestige. Or it's
like an accessory.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yes, it's like an access for you where which is
ironic because they're trying to signal that I'm in this
tribe and you're not in that tribe. Right, the whole
thing that you just said was the idea of No,
we're gonna flip the idea of the tribes of the
Jews and the Gentiles.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And the Romans whatever on his head. That's the idea.
Everything that's and that's the thing, that's what people struggle with,
is this grand idea right of and you know, equality
is not even remotely big enough of a word to
describe this right. This is this is this is what
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is it? It's it's You're connected to an energy that exists
within the infinites of the universe, which is God, made
in the image of God, made in the image of God. Right,
and there's a reason for for for that. As one
of the defining characteristics of the Book of Genesis, right,
one of those first five books, is that we were
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made in the image of God, and that connects us
to the sovereignty of this birth, the birth of this idea.
It makes it feasible for us to comprehend and to
act upon, to live out our duty to our faith.
And so as you look at these the early stories
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of Mary and what took place, and now all of
a sudden it was set in motion, right, this idea
was set in motion. And I think that's the magnificent
aspect of this idea. This, the birth of this faith, right,
the birth of Jesus was set in force. I mean,
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you could argue that the prophecy set in motion the
legacy which made the prophecy come true with with Mary
herself and then the birth. But then he still had
to become the Messiah, right, it was just the baby. Yes,
he possessed the divine presence internally, the seed of the
Holy Spirit was in him, but he still had to
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walk the proverbial walk of being the Savior. And I
think that's the thing that Christmas represents for all of us,
is it represents this birth of the idea. Like if
you stop for a moment and you contemplate what all
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of this means and what we're actually talking about, which
was our freedom right? And that's what the core of
this idea is. Jesus Christ represents freedom, the ultimate freedom,
if you will, right, because the ultimate freedom is to
be absolved of what of death itself, And so the
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idea of putting your faith in Christ, it absolves you
of death because if you believe, and belief is relative
to action and duty, as both my friend Maggie and
Dan said, right, then those ideas have to Germany. They
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have to take hold internally in your soul. And what
allows you to do that it allows that your faith
that these ideas will provide you with this long term
estimation or sensation of freedom even into the afterlife, which
God only knows what our meaning and purpose will become
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after that, should we choose this path, this faith, this
idea to constantly be reborn in us every day. And
I think that's the thing that I'm starting to believe
that Christmas truly represents. It's this reset for us every year. Yes,
Easter has a component of that, but I thing h Easter,
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what Easter is is for me is at least is
to be humbled in the magnificence of Christ's death and
rebirth or in his his emerging from the tomb like
that shatters any concept of idea that I could ever
conjure in my own time or own mind, in my
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own way. It frees me from the limited nature of
my intellectual or emotional abilities. Right, it's the it's me
and my soul becoming unbounded or unbonded or unchained from
the limitations that I have as a human being. Right,
and I put my faith into this, this my God,
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my Christ, right for all of the things that enable
me to be reborn every single day in this idea
of freedom and of being free of sin. And then
more importantly, the ability to recognize the crucial importance of
me and my sacrifice for those I love right. And
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that's why the whole concept of love your neighbor as
you love yourself is the most revolutionary idea that was
ever born, or at least that we've seen so far
in human history. I think now there's a Don't get
me wrong, I'm not naive. I realize there's a level
of history that has been forgotten, buried, or raised however
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you want to look at it. But what I know
is existent in my life, and the thing that has
allowed me to be reborn again and again and again
in the midst of my comprehensive and endless sin is
this idea of Jesus Christ and his birth. So saying
all that to say this, you know, this is an
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old idea. I mean, I mean relative terms. You know,
two thousand years isn't tremendously old, But it is because
it's an idea that requires to be reborn every day
as you awake from the slumber of your subconsciousness and
you move into this realm of conscious thought, action, behavior, emotion, spirituality, sacrifice, integrity, malevolence, evil, savagery,
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whatever choice you're gonna make You're having to be reborn
in these ideas that you have faith in every single day,
and the one that seems to work the best that
keeps all of those other things not at bay, because
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I don't think they can be kept at bay. I
think it's there's a a continuity of of of good
and evil and order and chaos, and uh, you know
light and dark. That's that's infinite, like like the universe,
or like the omnipresence of God is in Christ. But
this one's different because you know, Christ was a tangible
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figure in human history that lived, that died, and that
was reborn. If you struggle with the reborn part and
having faith in that, what I highly recommend is Tucker
Carlson did a beautiful show with a gentleman who's one
of the world's leading experts on the Shroud of Turn.
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And if you watch that show, there are the scientific
reality of that cloth is. If you're struggling with whether
or not Christ existed, that that's a good one to
start with. Another one is the case for Christ by
least Drobulshawan always has him on every Christmas Great conversations there.
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But really it all comes down to is is are
you going to take care of the infant, the infancy
of these ideas in you every morning, to to put
your your a sacrificial focus on building this faith in you,
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like growing this faith in you, allowing it to mature,
allowing it to gain strength, allowing it to run independently
of these other earthly ideas, whether it's your political affiliations,
or it's your your materialistic or it's some type of
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philosophical ideation or whatever it is. But to to protect
this infancy of Christ, the child uh Christ, the man
who fell from grace and was sacrificed for your sins
and mine, and and the deity that rose from the
dead to present us with eternal access to to God,
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our Father and in the infinites of of the universe. Man,
that that's hard core. It's like you're birthing a child
every day. I mean, I would imagine, and I think
it is. You know, birthing a child is much easier.
That's why you see so many children abandoned or sold
into slavery or mutilated or treated poorly. Is just because
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there's so many people that that can't recognize the power
of that seed. Well, the one thing I believe you
can start by getting there and being able to translate
that that that rebirth, or that that strength of the
child of your faith into a strong, mature, virile I
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idea that can govern you in a in a way
that grants you salvation. What is it. It's nurturing and
allowing the birth of the idea of Christ to enter
into you at any time you need it, anytime you
don't need it. To just be actively present, right, to
be a living thing in how you represent your own
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self as it relates to the collective nature of your family,
your community, and whatever those communities look like, your society
as a whole. I think over the next you know,
the next few years, this revival in this faith that
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we have in Christ is going to grow. I think
it's going to go through a lot of manifestations. I
think we're going to have to be patient with the
evolution of that transactional nature of what we're seeing in uh,
the commodity of your faith or what you call it, Jordie,
you said it, you said it was the Uh it's
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an accessory, an accessory of faith. You're there, Yeah, It's
like it's like you're you know, you're you know, tied
you know, cord around your thing, or it's your you know,
your your Gucci slippers, or it's you know, your you know,
whatever car you think is cool. Like it's the accessory.
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But but remember you're using an accessory for status, right,
You're you're nurturing your faith to find salvation and that
salvation takes place, and how you you you share that
seed with other people. That's a component of this responsibility
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about the birth of faith, Like it's on you to
be willing to share your faith with somebody around you,
even if they may not have or have experienced that
seed or that birth themselves. Like that's really the only
thing that what oh hey, Seuss asked you know, his
apostles to do. Like he didn't say, go couldn't go
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wage war like Muhammad did. You know, he didn't say
you know, you know, he didn't fortify his position on
particular laws or sacrifices or whatever it was. But what
he did said is, hey, go tell everybody, just go
plant the seeds or drop the seeds. Be the sower
of the good news, which is there is an eternal,
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infinite God that produced his child for you know, for
influence or to help plant the major seed of this
particular faith that you can reach salvation by sacrifice, right,
and and so that's it, that's that's all you gotta do.
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The challenge And we're seeing this at a profound level,
and we have seen it from day one, is that
there is a contingency of people that are perpetually trying
to attack that in trying to destroy this faith, this idea,
whether it's in Nigeria and Christians being persecuted there, it's
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in Sudan, it's in Niger, it's in the Middle East,
it's in Ukraine, it's in Israel, it's in South America,
wherever in America, I mean, certainly Christians that are under
attack and have been under attack in America for quite
a while now. Now it hasn't totally gotten volid. There
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are violent examples, but you know, there's a there's I believe,
a distinct measurement to reduce the impact of the Christian
population of not only America, but of the world itself.
Why Because what it represents is it represents the complete
opposite of what it means to be to utilize the
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accessory of your faith as a dominant controlling factor of
other people. Now, Don't get me wrong, there are a
profound amount of those Christians out there that are trying
to wield that faith as a way to pollute or
to infect the core idea of what Jesus Christ the
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Child was brought into this world to do was to
be a birthing point for your redemption, to be a
birthing point for your desire to sacrifice for others, a
birthing point for your ability to believe that salvation is
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possible by renouncing in and confessing to your sins to
Christ Almighty. I just what I'm trying to focus on
over this holiday break, and it's been obviously a whirlwind
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year for me in many different ways, shapes and forms.
I think the greatest blessing I've had this year is
the opportunity to get on this microphone again and to
work with Jordy and to work together and my wife
and other friends who have supported me, from Buck Sexton
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and Sean Ryan to a lot of other people who've
gotten behind me and what I try and do on
the microphone, and that is a profound blessing. Obviously, the
content that we cover is very challenging in many occasions
and very dark and very manipulative, and very not that
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I'm trying to be manipulative in your thoughts, but I'm
trying to birth ideas in you. That's what I'm trying
to do. I'm trying to live up to what the
I witnessed as the Apostles do, which is to spread
a message to get you to think about what's taking
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place in the world, to be able to reset yourself
into a fundamental faith that you know is against evil,
is against darkness, is against savagery, is against materialism or
whatever ism is trying to conform you to this power
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structure broker instead of being sovereign to Christ Almighty, and
your main mission in life is to spread those seeds
of love and faith and temperance and patience and to
do what Christ wanted us to do. And so you
know I've been able to do that. Now we're going
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to have a great end of the year year and
review show coming up next week or the week after
I think it's next week, and we'll discuss all the
kind of finer points to life and what's taking place.
But this show and my Christmas show, I just really
the main thing I want you to understand is that
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every day that you have above dirt which is upon you,
to make sure that the dirt inside your soul is fertile, right,
because that's what it is. That's where the birth of
this idea takes place. It takes place in the fertility
of your own heart, the fertility of your own soul,
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your own mind, and your willingness to look at the
expansiveness the infinite number of ideas that you can allow
to emerge in you, to influence you and to inspire you.
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You know, there's a lot of choices, But what I'm
asking of you is that you just contemplate this idea
and allow yourself to have that fertility and open heart
and open mind as to the power of what Christ
is and what who Christ was, and the story of
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Christ's birth. What it represents into in terms of human existence,
what has emerged as Christianity has emerged and swept around
the world in many different ways. What it represents for
you right now and the unstable world that we exist in.
What it represents in your relationships and the people you
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care and love most that you need to sacrifice for
for your children, for your parents, for your best friends,
those relationships and more importantly, what it represents for you,
as as as the foundation of what you believe in
and how that belief transpires into how you act right No,
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and all of the different limbs that emerge from this
core faith in Christ. And then from those limbs emerges
what the leaves that protect us, in the flower that
rejuvenates us, that starts the circle of life again, all
of those metaphors of this faith that can grow out
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of you if you just open your heart and you
give it this this what you give it, this focused
effort to allow those seeds to grow inside of you.
And that's what I believe the birth of faith is about.
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In Christmas. God bless all of you. God bless Hugh
Jordy and your family. I love you, buddy, God bless
all the people who listen. I can't thank you enough. Uh,
It's it's such it's such an overwhelming blessing. I just
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want to let you know I'll be hosting the Clay
and Buck National News Show on Friday from noon to three.
You'll be able to find me wherever Clay and Bucks
Show is listed on those radio stations. I want to
thank all the people I work with. I want to
thank my closest friends. I want to thank my parents,
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my brother and James. I want to thank Johna's family
for their support. I want to thank my children, my
beautiful children. I want to most specially thank my wife
Johnna for her influence and faith in me and allowing
to help me be reborn every day. But again, the
most important gratitude I have is I want to thank
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Jesus Christ for his eternal presence in my heart and
in my life, and for the guidance and for most
importantly the forgiveness that He gives me every day in
my pathway till to salvation. So one of the people
that has been most profoundly inspiring and planning the seed
for me was the apostle Paul. And so I want
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to leave you with this passage from Ephesians three sixteen
through nineteen, and the hope that it might turn the
soil in your heart and to allow those seeds to
sink deeply in your soul. I pray that out of
his glorious riches, he may strengthen you with power through
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His spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may
dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that
you being rooted and established in love, may have power,
together with all the Lord Holy people, to grasp how
wide and long, and high and deep is the love
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of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge,
that you may be filled to the measure of all
the fullness of God. All right, God bless you. Merry Christmas,
Love y'all. Oh yeah,
Today on the David Rutherford Show, The Birth of Faith
and how ideas emerge and transfer into our entire belief systems.
What's up, everybody? Instructor Rutherford Old rut here on my
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annual Christmas show, and I want to coming down to
the wire at the end of every year. In this
show in particular, you know, I spend a lot of
time trying to figure out how to interlace the sensation
of what's taking place in the country and where I live,
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in my life, with my children, with my friends, on
the show, what I do for a living, and I
try and allow all of the confluence of that consternation
of my my perpetual debate which is taking place in
my mind to naturally unfold this idea. And you know,
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it kind of really started. I had an incredible opportunity.
There's a woman who's acted as a therapist for me
for a long time, and it's not it is some
emotional therapy, but she she does therapy on my body.
She's a physical therapist, a seuse, but she's a healer
and and so recently I had the incredible opportunity she
came over the house, and you know she is you know,
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she has limited or has really reduced the amount of
work she does. But she was in town, knew I
needed work. We used to do a lot of work
together when I for ten years after I got out
of the military and came over and so we sat
down on our table, and I was on that table
for almost two and a half hours, and in that discussion,
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and we have an hour discussion leading up. That's our
primer for doing deep tissue work, as this philosophical and
theological analysis of of of a bunch of things. And
we started to talk about, you know, dropping the seeds
of not only our faith, but the seeds of love
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for other people, the seeds of motivation, seeds of strength,
seeds of courage, seeds of duty. Told her about this
great conversation I had had with my great friend Dan Luna,
doctor Dan Luna, Team six buddy of mine, who is
you know, really talked. We had this great talk recently
about the idea of duty for a man and what
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that means. And it's not so much about the profound
nature of your own meaning or your own motivation, but
more importantly the duty you have to the people that
depend on you. Right, that was his his idea of
what the seed, the most critical seed is one of
the most critical seeds for not rising to the occasion,
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but more in line of cultivating an idea, right, cultivating
a frame of reference, a philosophical thought uh and ideology,
and allowing that seed to enter into your soul and
germinate and begin to grow. And I think, what Christmas
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if you get rid of the extemporaneous materialism of of
of Christmas, which I think you know, I think most
people have a moment or two during these holidays where
they pause for a second and they go, Wow, this
is much deeper than you know, getting my latest flat
screen TV or my paddle board or whatever it is
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I'm hoping for new player, Chuck Te's whatever your your
your goals are for your your gifts this year. But
it's it's that moment of like, all right, what's this
all mean? And what is the thing that is driving
me forward to have the courage first, the motivation to
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take another step forward, to wake up every day and
check out my opposable thumbs and take a deep breath
and march forth once more unto the breach. And I
think the idea of that the core of the motivation
stems from what your faith is involved in, right, And
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you know, obviously at Christmas it's a deeply religious connotation
of the birth of Jesus Christ and what that did
for billions of people since that moment, you know, two
out twenty one hundred and twenty five years ago, soon
to be twenty six years ago, that that that the
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living Messiah emerged out of Bethlehem. But before I get
into that, I first want to just spend a little
bit of time on how the birth of faith can
take place in our lives generally, because if you go
before Christ, you know, five thousand, ten thousand Syrians, Marians,
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if you go twenty thousand, right, ancient Abrahamic Abrahamic stories
or stories that we don't even know, ancient cultures, fifty thousand,
one hundred thousand. Hell, there was a Chinese Chinese archaeologist
said they found a Homo Sapien skull that was dated
a million years old. So how was faith being birthed
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during those times? And I think, you know it's people
want to say, Oh, it's the birth of faith emerged
when you didn't get eaten, or the elem mins didn't
destroy you, or you bonded with another tribe or clan
in order to survive another attacking bond or or you know,
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clan that was trying to take you out, or savages
or you know, whatever was out there waiting for you
in the dark, right in the the estimation of chaos,
that was his and that has always been all around us.
So what takes place around that fire, right, What takes
place in that cave or in that that hide, or
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in that domicile that you hack out of the earth.
You know what takes place in those moments? And I
think you know, all human beings, you know, regardless of
us living now or us living thousands and thousands or
hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago, you know
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what takes place is the birth of these these ideas
or these behaviors, or these uh series of exchanges, or
the game that is played, or the selfless selflessness or
the sacrifice or all these components kind of percolate into
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these moments where someone or something or someone most likely
and in those moments begins to explain or articulate or
to pontificate about these things that guide us, right, you know.
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Jordan Peterson describes it as as the observable behavioral patterning,
the observable and iterable behavioral patterns that take place over
tens of thousands of years. Right, and after a particular
group or species group within our species groups around they
see these things, they begin to formulate a construct of
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what they believe to be true, what they have faith in, right,
whether they're you know, I know that if I choose
this person, then my seed will continue. Right, and then
how does it continue in some relevant manner within the
clanner tribe? Well, if they become strong, if they learn
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to farm, if they learn to sacrifice, if they can hunt,
if they can fight, if they are good at the
game of selfless participation, then all of a sudden, I
start to see this take place over and over. Well,
as a leader or elder of the tribe or a
warrior of the tribe. Then all of a sudden, they
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start telling these stories, and these stories emerge, and they
emerge in a way where they seem to quantify the
things that give us meaning or the things that enable
us to survive collectively or to thrive. Also, because it's
not just about survival, right, It's not just about making
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it through each day. Although that was certainly, and is
a massive part of it. For many people, every day
is day to day around the world right now. Think
about you know, the soldiers that are in the trenches
in Ukraine right now, or you know, think about the
children that are being trafficked and abused all over the
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world right now, right every day is a day they
have to find or have a rebirth of faith that
sparks motivation to survive. Or even young men in America
right now. I had two unbelievable conversations this morning, both
with really exceptional young men that are putting forth the
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same question to me, like how do I know what
direction to follow? Like how do I know what I
want to become in my life? You know? And as
a person that has spent an exorbitant amount of time
contemplating these things and contemplating my faith and contemplating, you know,
my life experience in several rebirths throughout my adult life,
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I think I have a tendency to offer some type
of rational explanation for how this transpires. And so today
again what I wanted to really drill down on for
all of you is that this time specifically is about
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a birth of a specific faith, right Now, what I
find utterly fascinating about this particular story, in this particular
birth of of Jesus Christ, was that, you know, if
you look at the historical context of the Bible, maybe
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not the historical but but the certainly the prophecy of
the Bible for hundreds, if not thousands of years prior
to Jesus Christ being born, there was a bunch of prophecies.
In fact, Jordy, when you look that up for me,
how many prophecies of christ birth took place in the
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Old Testament? Yep. So you know, as I go and
reflect in my Bible last night and this morning, you know,
you think about, all right, you know, the build up
of this particular birth, and what does it say, JORDI,
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all right, So there's not.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
A universally agreed upon number, but there are at least
eight very direct explicit prophecies and forty to six messianic
properties overall that Jesus fulfills major ones. Where Isaiah seven fourteen,
the version shall conceive and bear's son born in Bethlehem
Micah five two, but you, Bethlehem, out of you shall
come forth for me one who is to be ruler
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in Israel, and then the big one. Let me scroll down.
If they have Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh they don't have it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's crazy, was it Isaiah fifty two fifty three?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Four?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Somewhere in there where it's like, basically, they just he
just describes Jesus Christ and pull it up.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Pull it up and read it. Read it for us,
because this is relevant. You have to understand the relevance
of this, and because what I'm trying to lay out
for you is that the birth of an idea, right,
the birth of something you believe in that can shape
and guide pretty much every principle that you adhere to
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in life. Think about the magnitude of what that does
for what the consistency of a group? Right? Nope, these
these are the way we're going to do it. These
are the laws we're gonna here do. This is what
we're going to do because this shapes our behaviors in
a way that doesn't descend into our devolve into mass
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chaos and killing and butchering and savagery. Right, did you
bring it up? Did you find it? Yes?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Isaiah fifty three. This is a highly debated verse between
the Jewish and Christian religions. But Isaiah fifty three written
about seven hundred years before Jesus describes a single innocent
man who dies as a substitutionary sacrifice for others. He
was despised and rejected by men, A man of sorrows
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and acquainted with grief. Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows. He was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought
us peace was upon him. And by his wounds we
are healed. And so it goes on.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's pretty powerful, and that happens seven hundred years prior
to Christ being born and evolving into my Messiah. And
I think Jeordi's as well too, absolutely, And so my
point I'm trying to make is that there are ideas
that develop right in the fertile soil of your heart
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and of your soul for long, long periods of time,
and so as as what is the component that transpires
that creates this birth, this new life, Because I mean,
that's what birth is, right, The essence of our entire
existence is the continued birth of new life, right, birth
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of new trees, birth of new nature, birth of new species,
birth of new fish, birth of new cows, birth of
new chickens, birth all the things that we need as
a sustenance survive. It continues to happen. That's the cycle.
And then with us what else. We continue to have children,
and you know, those children move into a place where
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they what they birth into adults. Right, they metamorphosize from
you know, child children and that need consummate protection to
becoming independent and then moving out and facilitating their own
growth and their own participation in whatever things they believe
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in or have faith in. And so this process is
perpetual in nature. You can argue that it's it's infinite
in nature, as many people theorize that, you know, the
there is no beginning or no end to the infinites
of the universe. It's perpetually dying and living and being reborn,
much like the perpetual nature of if you're blessed enough
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to have the cycle of recreation. Right, Jordan, beautiful wife
just had their first child, thereby stepping into a long
legacy of births that have been taking place in his family. Right,
I have four daughters. Right again, you know, I'm constantly,
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you know, begging them to each to have six to
eight children. I'm hoping, you know, Trump passes some law
that says, all right, after four children, there the rest
are tax free, you know, until they're making in their
own living. But I'm not gonna hold my breath. But
the point I'm trying to say is that that's the continuation,
that's that that that birth of faith and the faith
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is that there's something worth living for, there's something worth
committing to having children, you know, the idea of children
and then children coming into your life and then doing
whatever you need to do to grow those children into
people that can then model or emulate the hundreds of
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thousands of iterable behaviors millions billions of iterable behaviors that
have taken place across the time and history. And so
when I take a step back and go, what are
the most fundamental ideas of birth and rebirth that take
place every single day? For me? First and foremost, you know,
it's gratitude. Right, I wake up and I'm grateful that
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I'm still alive. You know, I think the most notorious
or famous thing that I answer people when they go, hey, Rod,
how you doing, My answer is pretty much the same.
I'm doing great. I'm above dirt, right, and not that
being dead, because my faith proves me if I die
and I'm a Christian and I repent for my sins,
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that I'll have eternal life. But that's another birth of
an idea. But let me just focus on, you know,
the status quo of living itself now, you know, from
that infancy of gratitude, then I move into the next phase,
which is, all right, how am I going to earn
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my place in this life? Right? What is the motivation
that's going to drive me forward? And for me, first
and foremost is my faith right and to try and
live an apostolic life if you will, or to live
a life imbued by the message of Christ. And God
knows I have failed that many, many, many times, and
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luckily I've repented, try to repent regularly for it. But
that's the rebirth that takes the birth that takes place
every day. And then what else is reborn every day?
My faith in my children, my spouse, my beautiful wife.
I have to rebirth that faith in my wife in
her commitment to my commitment to her, so then that
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she feels the rebirth in me every day, and then
is reborn in the face she has in me with
my children, four teenage daughters. You want to talk about
a struggle for rebirth. Every day trying to convince them
that my faith in them is eternal, but every day
trying to show active, a living and active faith in them,
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right through what through my dedication to them, my protection
of them, my representing a strong male role model for them,
to teach them, to guide them, to shepherd them, to
inspire them to seek out the beauty of developing and
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birthing their own ideology, their own faith, what they believe in.
So all of that has taken place every day in
our lives, no matter what, even if you have a
shitty ass day right and you're like this sucks, I'm
calling up in my under my covers, I'm not getting
out of bed, I'm gonna eat twenty five gummies, I'm
gonna drink or I'm gonna get higher whatever, even if
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you don't, even if I'm just gonna just isolate, ignore,
and not engage in the process that allows for rebirth.
Every day, I'm gonna bury myself. I'm gonna bury my thoughts.
I'm gonna I'm gonna, you know, get under the soil again. Now,
in certain occasions, if you are lost. There's there's a
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benefit to that. I I don't think it's healthy long term,
but certainly to check yourself and to sit in that quiet,
in that darkness, to contemplate a rebirth of sorts every day,
to emerge back with a courageous posture if you will.
I think, you know, sometimes taking a step back and
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evaluating is good. To let the breadth of seeds that
have been given you right since you were a child, right,
the ultimate seed of life, the seed of influence, the
seed of life experience, the seed of friendship, the seed
of relationships, the seed of your own faith as well too,
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And so that that birth is critical for us now.
I believe the greatest seats are attained through a courageous
will to sacrifice for others, just like what you know,
the story of Christ himself. I think that's that's the rebirth.
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That's the birth and the rebirth right, and that's that's
the pinnacle of this these stories. That's that's the benchmark,
that's the reset point that we always come back to.
Right and now, obviously, when this story took place, you know,
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twenty one hundred years ago, you got to imagine the
context of what was taking place with Rome's control of Jerusalem, right,
the flailing Egyptian empires, right, the growth of all these
other place what was taking place in China or other
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parts in the world. Well, really you know this, this this,
you know, female virgin, as the story goes, right, is
impregnated miraculously through through through a Messianic influence of God,
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the pure woman, and and the next thing, you know,
we're We're in this masterfully written Gospel of Matthew. Right,
and it really his as it was synthesized when I
put it in for groc it was this is what
it says. Right. The metaphor oracle and theological focus is
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Matthew emphasizes Jesus as the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and
the Messianic king. From David's line, the stories draws parallels
to Moses flight to Egypt, Herod the Pharaoh betraying Jesus
as the new liberator of Israel. The magi represent the
gentile recognition of this kingship, while the virgin birth underscores
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divine intervention in Jesus's sinless nature as your savior. All right,
So this birth of the idea, right, this birth of Christ. Right,
what does that idea represent for all of us? First,
it's the purity of this this being right that had
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a lineage of the prophecy, right, that all of a sudden, like, hey,
you're going to be the vessel for the living God.
Now imagine you're I would assume she was teenage girl, right,
maybe eighteen seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old, something like that.
You know, all of a sudden, these angels, she has
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these visions. Guess what, We're gonna pregnate you. Who yeah, Now,
all of a sudden she's pregnant. Yeah yeah, yeah, who yah,
you know you're pregnant. And now Joseph, her hubby, is like,
what the hell's going on here? How's this happened? And
she's like, you gotta trust me, you gotta trust this
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idea from the very get go as the idea was born,
which kind of freaked her out, I would imagine, and
then she's like accepts it, and then all of a
sudden she's pregnant, and now she shares with Joseph, just
a man who loves her. Hey, by the way, I
got pregnant by some these angel things, and I'm gonna
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have you know the Messiah like wait, like what wait,
what are you talking? Wait? What? Yeah? And now all
of a sudden that seed is planted in him. Does
how does that seed grow inside of him? It's through
what his faith in her right, And that's how it works.
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Like you put your faith and what the people you
care about are telling you. Honestly, you still have to
go through the walk of it, like he had to
watch all of a sudden belly grow. Then people are like, Oh,
you're having a baby. That's great. He's thinking, well, I
hope the kid looks like me, you know, hoping she's
not lying to me. Is this going to affect me
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and my standing? Am I going to be able to
you know, literally find work or have a farm or
take care of my family? I don't even know what
does this mean? Mess I I don't you know. And
so he's having to birth all of these new ideas
based on this blind faith and his wife.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Mary, to his credit, he supports her fully. He did
like fully embraces it. I'm sure he went through all
the emotions that a man would go through, obviously, and
how did he respond well? Fully protected her actually right
from all of the public opinion of I'm sure what
she faced.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, and it must have been. I mean, you know,
people have you know, twenty five abortions and they're celebrated
as heroes. Right, That's not the way it was back then.
It was you know, antiquity, and there was very distinct
guidelines and structures that mandated social exchanges and social normal
(26:37):
norms and rules and laws, religious laws and Roman laws,
like the governance was. There was not a lot of
great tolerance that you know, we assume today. It was
a big problem, big major yeah. And so all of
a sudden it happens, right, and you know, so I
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think as I went to the next and you know,
only two of the fundamental four gospels talk about the birth,
and the other is Luke. And so this is what
it said for Luke. Luke II likes humility, inclusivity, and
universal salvation, the lowly setting, the manger, the shepherds as
first witnesses, you know, and I love that story of
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them being out in the fields and the angels approven.
They're like, hey, go in here and witness this, and
they're like, uh okay. You know, meanwhile they're like, what
did I just witness? What did I just see? You.
I just felt this holy spirit. Now I'm going to
go in this manger and I'm going to watch this
impoverish these peasants and this woman have this child that
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is like got this angels around Like I mean, you're
like again, you're you're having to have faith in this
experience that this new idea is emerging from you. And
it's not like being like this is dumb, this is stupid.
I'm out. It's like, Okay, I'll take another step with this,
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and I'll take another step, and I'll take another step,
and with each step you're taking what's happening right, just
as in Luke, it's you know, Mary is the central
role and songs that emphasize joy and reversal of power,
you know, rich versus the poor, the mighty versus the
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humble right, and Jesus as the savior for all nations,
right Jews and Gentiles alike, for Muslims, for atheist agnostics,
like this is the birth of the person that is
going to provide you with the true seed of faith
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that exists within this faith in each other in a
willingness to be forgiven right led by our savior in
this child, Jesus Christ. And the virgin birth of both
birth affirms divine origin amid everyday human circumstances. Now, you know,
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modern day, you know, someone pops up like, oh, I
didn't have sex and I'm gonna have this baby. People
are gonna be like, you're full of shit, lie detector test,
pregnancy tests, DNA test, you know, and chastise and thrown away,
and and so they what we we I think there's
faith has almost become a commodity of sorts, and I've
(29:30):
been seeing a lot of that lately online, people utilizing
their faith as a as a way to magnify loyalty tests,
or to magnify their transactional abilities online, or to validate
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their stance of of of influence or prestige. Or it's
like an accessory.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yes, it's like an access for you where which is
ironic because they're trying to signal that I'm in this
tribe and you're not in that tribe. Right, the whole
thing that you just said was the idea of No,
we're gonna flip the idea of the tribes of the
Jews and the Gentiles.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And the Romans whatever on his head. That's the idea.
Everything that's and that's the thing, that's what people struggle with,
is this grand idea right of and you know, equality
is not even remotely big enough of a word to
describe this right. This is this is this is what
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is it? It's it's You're connected to an energy that exists
within the infinites of the universe, which is God, made
in the image of God, made in the image of God. Right,
and there's a reason for for for that. As one
of the defining characteristics of the Book of Genesis, right,
one of those first five books, is that we were
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made in the image of God, and that connects us
to the sovereignty of this birth, the birth of this idea.
It makes it feasible for us to comprehend and to
act upon, to live out our duty to our faith.
And so as you look at these the early stories
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of Mary and what took place, and now all of
a sudden it was set in motion, right, this idea
was set in motion. And I think that's the magnificent
aspect of this idea. This, the birth of this faith, right,
the birth of Jesus was set in force. I mean,
(31:45):
you could argue that the prophecy set in motion the
legacy which made the prophecy come true with with Mary
herself and then the birth. But then he still had
to become the Messiah, right, it was just the baby. Yes,
he possessed the divine presence internally, the seed of the
Holy Spirit was in him, but he still had to
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walk the proverbial walk of being the Savior. And I
think that's the thing that Christmas represents for all of us,
is it represents this birth of the idea. Like if
you stop for a moment and you contemplate what all
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of this means and what we're actually talking about, which
was our freedom right? And that's what the core of
this idea is. Jesus Christ represents freedom, the ultimate freedom,
if you will, right, because the ultimate freedom is to
be absolved of what of death itself, And so the
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idea of putting your faith in Christ, it absolves you
of death because if you believe, and belief is relative
to action and duty, as both my friend Maggie and
Dan said, right, then those ideas have to Germany. They
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have to take hold internally in your soul. And what
allows you to do that it allows that your faith
that these ideas will provide you with this long term
estimation or sensation of freedom even into the afterlife, which
God only knows what our meaning and purpose will become
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after that, should we choose this path, this faith, this
idea to constantly be reborn in us every day. And
I think that's the thing that I'm starting to believe
that Christmas truly represents. It's this reset for us every year. Yes,
Easter has a component of that, but I thing h Easter,
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what Easter is is for me is at least is
to be humbled in the magnificence of Christ's death and
rebirth or in his his emerging from the tomb like
that shatters any concept of idea that I could ever
conjure in my own time or own mind, in my
(34:24):
own way. It frees me from the limited nature of
my intellectual or emotional abilities. Right, it's the it's me
and my soul becoming unbounded or unbonded or unchained from
the limitations that I have as a human being. Right,
and I put my faith into this, this my God,
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my Christ, right for all of the things that enable
me to be reborn every single day in this idea
of freedom and of being free of sin. And then
more importantly, the ability to recognize the crucial importance of
me and my sacrifice for those I love right. And
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that's why the whole concept of love your neighbor as
you love yourself is the most revolutionary idea that was
ever born, or at least that we've seen so far
in human history. I think now there's a Don't get
me wrong, I'm not naive. I realize there's a level
of history that has been forgotten, buried, or raised however
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you want to look at it. But what I know
is existent in my life, and the thing that has
allowed me to be reborn again and again and again
in the midst of my comprehensive and endless sin is
this idea of Jesus Christ and his birth. So saying
all that to say this, you know, this is an
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old idea. I mean, I mean relative terms. You know,
two thousand years isn't tremendously old, But it is because
it's an idea that requires to be reborn every day
as you awake from the slumber of your subconsciousness and
you move into this realm of conscious thought, action, behavior, emotion, spirituality, sacrifice, integrity, malevolence, evil, savagery,
(36:35):
whatever choice you're gonna make You're having to be reborn
in these ideas that you have faith in every single day,
and the one that seems to work the best that
keeps all of those other things not at bay, because
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I don't think they can be kept at bay. I
think it's there's a a continuity of of of good
and evil and order and chaos, and uh, you know
light and dark. That's that's infinite, like like the universe,
or like the omnipresence of God is in Christ. But
this one's different because you know, Christ was a tangible
(37:20):
figure in human history that lived, that died, and that
was reborn. If you struggle with the reborn part and
having faith in that, what I highly recommend is Tucker
Carlson did a beautiful show with a gentleman who's one
of the world's leading experts on the Shroud of Turn.
(37:42):
And if you watch that show, there are the scientific
reality of that cloth is. If you're struggling with whether
or not Christ existed, that that's a good one to
start with. Another one is the case for Christ by
least Drobulshawan always has him on every Christmas Great conversations there.
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But really it all comes down to is is are
you going to take care of the infant, the infancy
of these ideas in you every morning, to to put
your your a sacrificial focus on building this faith in you,
(38:27):
like growing this faith in you, allowing it to mature,
allowing it to gain strength, allowing it to run independently
of these other earthly ideas, whether it's your political affiliations,
or it's your your materialistic or it's some type of
(38:48):
philosophical ideation or whatever it is. But to to protect
this infancy of Christ, the child uh Christ, the man
who fell from grace and was sacrificed for your sins
and mine, and and the deity that rose from the
dead to present us with eternal access to to God,
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our Father and in the infinites of of the universe. Man,
that that's hard core. It's like you're birthing a child
every day. I mean, I would imagine, and I think
it is. You know, birthing a child is much easier.
That's why you see so many children abandoned or sold
into slavery or mutilated or treated poorly. Is just because
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there's so many people that that can't recognize the power
of that seed. Well, the one thing I believe you
can start by getting there and being able to translate
that that that rebirth, or that that strength of the
child of your faith into a strong, mature, virile I
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idea that can govern you in a in a way
that grants you salvation. What is it. It's nurturing and
allowing the birth of the idea of Christ to enter
into you at any time you need it, anytime you
don't need it. To just be actively present, right, to
be a living thing in how you represent your own
(40:21):
self as it relates to the collective nature of your family,
your community, and whatever those communities look like, your society
as a whole. I think over the next you know,
the next few years, this revival in this faith that
(40:47):
we have in Christ is going to grow. I think
it's going to go through a lot of manifestations. I
think we're going to have to be patient with the
evolution of that transactional nature of what we're seeing in uh,
the commodity of your faith or what you call it, Jordie,
you said it, you said it was the Uh it's
(41:08):
an accessory, an accessory of faith. You're there, Yeah, It's
like it's like you're you know, you're you know, tied
you know, cord around your thing, or it's your you know,
your your Gucci slippers, or it's you know, your you know,
whatever car you think is cool. Like it's the accessory.
(41:28):
But but remember you're using an accessory for status, right,
You're you're nurturing your faith to find salvation and that
salvation takes place, and how you you you share that
seed with other people. That's a component of this responsibility
(41:50):
about the birth of faith, Like it's on you to
be willing to share your faith with somebody around you,
even if they may not have or have experienced that
seed or that birth themselves. Like that's really the only
thing that what oh hey, Seuss asked you know, his
apostles to do. Like he didn't say, go couldn't go
(42:12):
wage war like Muhammad did. You know, he didn't say
you know, you know, he didn't fortify his position on
particular laws or sacrifices or whatever it was. But what
he did said is, hey, go tell everybody, just go
plant the seeds or drop the seeds. Be the sower
of the good news, which is there is an eternal,
(42:36):
infinite God that produced his child for you know, for
influence or to help plant the major seed of this
particular faith that you can reach salvation by sacrifice, right,
and and so that's it, that's that's all you gotta do.
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The challenge And we're seeing this at a profound level,
and we have seen it from day one, is that
there is a contingency of people that are perpetually trying
to attack that in trying to destroy this faith, this idea,
whether it's in Nigeria and Christians being persecuted there, it's
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in Sudan, it's in Niger, it's in the Middle East,
it's in Ukraine, it's in Israel, it's in South America,
wherever in America, I mean, certainly Christians that are under
attack and have been under attack in America for quite
a while now. Now it hasn't totally gotten volid. There
(43:43):
are violent examples, but you know, there's a there's I believe,
a distinct measurement to reduce the impact of the Christian
population of not only America, but of the world itself.
Why Because what it represents is it represents the complete
opposite of what it means to be to utilize the
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accessory of your faith as a dominant controlling factor of
other people. Now, Don't get me wrong, there are a
profound amount of those Christians out there that are trying
to wield that faith as a way to pollute or
to infect the core idea of what Jesus Christ the
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Child was brought into this world to do was to
be a birthing point for your redemption, to be a
birthing point for your desire to sacrifice for others, a
birthing point for your ability to believe that salvation is
(44:51):
possible by renouncing in and confessing to your sins to
Christ Almighty. I just what I'm trying to focus on
over this holiday break, and it's been obviously a whirlwind
(45:11):
year for me in many different ways, shapes and forms.
I think the greatest blessing I've had this year is
the opportunity to get on this microphone again and to
work with Jordy and to work together and my wife
and other friends who have supported me, from Buck Sexton
(45:33):
and Sean Ryan to a lot of other people who've
gotten behind me and what I try and do on
the microphone, and that is a profound blessing. Obviously, the
content that we cover is very challenging in many occasions
and very dark and very manipulative, and very not that
(45:54):
I'm trying to be manipulative in your thoughts, but I'm
trying to birth ideas in you. That's what I'm trying
to do. I'm trying to live up to what the
I witnessed as the Apostles do, which is to spread
a message to get you to think about what's taking
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place in the world, to be able to reset yourself
into a fundamental faith that you know is against evil,
is against darkness, is against savagery, is against materialism or
whatever ism is trying to conform you to this power
(46:35):
structure broker instead of being sovereign to Christ Almighty, and
your main mission in life is to spread those seeds
of love and faith and temperance and patience and to
do what Christ wanted us to do. And so you
know I've been able to do that. Now we're going
(46:55):
to have a great end of the year year and
review show coming up next week or the week after
I think it's next week, and we'll discuss all the
kind of finer points to life and what's taking place.
But this show and my Christmas show, I just really
the main thing I want you to understand is that
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every day that you have above dirt which is upon you,
to make sure that the dirt inside your soul is fertile, right,
because that's what it is. That's where the birth of
this idea takes place. It takes place in the fertility
of your own heart, the fertility of your own soul,
(47:40):
your own mind, and your willingness to look at the
expansiveness the infinite number of ideas that you can allow
to emerge in you, to influence you and to inspire you.
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You know, there's a lot of choices, But what I'm
asking of you is that you just contemplate this idea
and allow yourself to have that fertility and open heart
and open mind as to the power of what Christ
is and what who Christ was, and the story of
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Christ's birth. What it represents into in terms of human existence,
what has emerged as Christianity has emerged and swept around
the world in many different ways. What it represents for
you right now and the unstable world that we exist in.
What it represents in your relationships and the people you
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care and love most that you need to sacrifice for
for your children, for your parents, for your best friends,
those relationships and more importantly, what it represents for you,
as as as the foundation of what you believe in
and how that belief transpires into how you act right No,
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and all of the different limbs that emerge from this
core faith in Christ. And then from those limbs emerges
what the leaves that protect us, in the flower that
rejuvenates us, that starts the circle of life again, all
of those metaphors of this faith that can grow out
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of you if you just open your heart and you
give it this this what you give it, this focused
effort to allow those seeds to grow inside of you.
And that's what I believe the birth of faith is about.
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In Christmas. God bless all of you. God bless Hugh
Jordy and your family. I love you, buddy, God bless
all the people who listen. I can't thank you enough. Uh,
It's it's such it's such an overwhelming blessing. I just
(50:14):
want to let you know I'll be hosting the Clay
and Buck National News Show on Friday from noon to three.
You'll be able to find me wherever Clay and Bucks
Show is listed on those radio stations. I want to
thank all the people I work with. I want to
thank my closest friends. I want to thank my parents,
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my brother and James. I want to thank Johna's family
for their support. I want to thank my children, my
beautiful children. I want to most specially thank my wife
Johnna for her influence and faith in me and allowing
to help me be reborn every day. But again, the
most important gratitude I have is I want to thank
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Jesus Christ for his eternal presence in my heart and
in my life, and for the guidance and for most
importantly the forgiveness that He gives me every day in
my pathway till to salvation. So one of the people
that has been most profoundly inspiring and planning the seed
for me was the apostle Paul. And so I want
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to leave you with this passage from Ephesians three sixteen
through nineteen, and the hope that it might turn the
soil in your heart and to allow those seeds to
sink deeply in your soul. I pray that out of
his glorious riches, he may strengthen you with power through
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His spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may
dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that
you being rooted and established in love, may have power,
together with all the Lord Holy people, to grasp how
wide and long, and high and deep is the love
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of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge,
that you may be filled to the measure of all
the fullness of God. All right, God bless you. Merry Christmas,
Love y'all. Oh yeah,
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