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August 29, 2025 45 mins

Investigative reporter Anna Giaritelli joins David Rutherford to share her personal story of assault in Washington D.C.—and the shocking failures of the justice system that followed.

➡️ Hear how Anna was attacked in broad daylight, how her assailant was repeatedly released despite multiple arrests, and how D.C. authorities hide sex crime data from the public.

➡️ Discover the political games that protect criminals instead of victims.

➡️ Learn how Anna turned her pain into purpose, writing and speaking out to expose the truth.

This episode is a powerful conversation about courage, accountability, and the fight to protect women from violence.

Key Takeaways:

  • Anna’s personal story of survival and resilience
  • How crime statistics are manipulated in D.C.
  • Why local authorities fail victims of sexual assault
  • The broader problem of crime and corruption in U.S. cities
  • What must change to truly protect women and children

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Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro

01:07 - Anna’s Viral Story That Shocked The World

03:36 - How The Justice System Failed Her & Others

22:58 - DC Crime Stats Coverup & How Governments Are Abandoning Citizens

36:32 - Why Is Crime Exploding Across The World?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the most profound problems that's taking place around
the world is the assault on women. And this assault
on women that's taking place is completely preventable if certain municipalities, states,
or governments decide that they have a desire and a
willingness to protect their female population. The problem is is

(00:24):
we're seeing politics in play to protect a certain class
of people or certain group of people from having to
face the reality of justice, in order to amplify certain
untruths about the conditions of their streets. Well, today, I'm
honored in privileged to welcome Anna Geirtelly, who's a reporter

(00:45):
with the DC Examiner who recently published an incredible piece
about her own personal story with abuse and assault, as
well as the ramifications of what's taking place within the
negligence from the local municipalities in Washington in DC. So,
without further ado, Anna, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
David, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So, if you could, could you just explain to our
audience what the piece was about and what your intention
was in telling this story.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, so, it was my decision to come out and
speak publicly as a sexual assault victim. Five years ago.
I was assaulted in daylight in the street outside Union Station,
which is a public transportation hub a couple of blocks
from the US Capital. I've been running to the post
office when I was attacked randomly, and so this was

(01:40):
my decision in light of what President Trump was doing
to crack down on crime and DC. He gave a
speech two weeks ago, three weeks ago that was very
emotional for me to see as a victim and see
someone for the first time taking crime and DC really seriously.
And so I decided after that speech that this was
the time for me to speak out. I've been writing

(02:01):
a book for the last year, and the op ed
explained that there's two things I experienced as a victim
of crime in DC that I think need to be
addressed by the administration. One, my attacker, who had a
criminal record, was arrested several months after my attack, and
then he went on to be released the following day,
then arrested five additional more times additional times and released

(02:26):
the following day after each arrest. So that was one issue.
The other was, even though he ended up going to
federal prison for what he did to me, he is
not counted in the DC Police Department's crime stats. So
you go online, you look at their public facing website
under sex abuse, which is what he was charged with.
Because it was not a top tier sex crime, it

(02:47):
was not a rape or attempted rape that we know of,
it was, it is not counted in there. And so
those two things, I thought, how can you understand, you know,
the scope of crime in DC. If a victims people,
I mean, you went to federal prison. You know, this
wasn't a slap on the wrist, are not included in that.
And so that's what led me to speak out and

(03:08):
share what I've experienced when others are experiencing as problems
within the criminal justice system.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
I commend you on your courage. There's there's nothing more
difficult one to expose yourself publicly in a way of
the most traumatic events of your life. You know, it's
it's incredibly difficult to do that right for a whole
slew of reasons. You know, Can you just describe a

(03:38):
little bit of the frustration that you felt over the
years watching you know, the system fail you? Because my
favorite part in the article not my favorite, I'm sorry,
shouldn't Noah, you're but but but the part that really,
you know, just jumped out at me, was that the DC,

(04:00):
you know, justice system was so fixated on prosecuting January
six offenders to the tune of what and it was
something at one point it was eighteen hundred people that
they didn't have time to prosecute, you know, and a
majority of those were misdemeanor offensive of you know, entering

(04:22):
a building or disrupting a government whatever. But here you
have a felony offense against you, and they just they
couldn't do it. They couldn't get this guy off the street.
And then the other one that was shocking to me
is they actually told you we're doing it because our
prison systems or our confinement systems are overcrowded. Can you

(04:45):
just describe a little bit of that emotional battle you
went through, processing the neglect that the Justice Department was
supposed to give you.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah. And I think part of the reason I didn't
speak out for years was I didn't understand how bad
what happened to me was not the physical crime. I
grasped that, but the cover up and the delay and
justice and all these things. You just feel like you're
not right in your mind. After you've been through a

(05:15):
trauma and it's not the next day, it's not weeks months.
I mean, for me, it's taken years to really I
think be over it in a very big way. But
but yeah, on the first thing, will you remind me
of the first one again.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, it was about the Let's start with the fact
that they told you that the jails were overcrowded.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Let's start with that one.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
So after the attack that day he got away, the
police arrived. I told them what he did to me,
and they brought in the Sex Crime department, brought detective
and a dog and they couldn't catch him, but they
did get my clothes and were able to get his
DNA off my clothes, and so they determined two months later,

(06:00):
it takes a while to get DNA evidence back that
he was a match. They had his DNA in the system,
so he'd previously been arrested in DC and so it
was about a month after that they let me know
we've arrested him. He lives pretty close to your apartment
building on Second Street Northeast, and he's homeless. He lives

(06:20):
in a tunnel, and the judge decided to let him
go the following day. And so yeah, that was like
I said, you're not in your right mind. This is
This is a couple months after the attack, so this
is I was. I had moved out of state at
that point, temporarily. I'd gone to see my parents. I
was trying to work. So when people see like, oh,

(06:44):
but you were working a little bit, I was drugged up.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I was drugged absolutely.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Trying to stay normal, also going through a global crisis
that in DC felt it felt a little apocalyptic.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Oh of course.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I mean I had so many friends from church who
wanted to come around me and help, but people in
d C would not come outside and see you. So
despite what I've been through. So anyway, so I left
and it just you know, hearing what what happened with
him being released, it just was like, well, I'm not
going back to d C tomorrow or next week. They're

(07:21):
not holding him. So it was just like, I'll stay
here for a few months out of state, and then
you know, when I get strong enough go back to
d C and face that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Can you I and a story you talk about a
Construction World worker that came to your your your aid.
Can you talk a little bit about that guy and
that experience and in the effect that Are you still
in contact with him or are you, you know, just
talk a little bit about him.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, so I actually haven't talked to him since the
day after the attack. His name was Donnie. And during
the attack, I was screaming at the top of my lungs.
The man who attacked me was also screaming at the
top of his lungs. I don't know why he was screaming.
They're trying to kill me, So I think between the
two of us, obviously we got a lot of attention.

(08:14):
People ran over and did respond. It took a little
bit of time to sort of figure out what's happening here.
But one of the first people who arrived was a
construction worker and the day after the attack, this attack
happened to block from where I lived. The day after
the attack, I walked that block to the construction side

(08:34):
across the street where Donnie had run from, and I asked,
there was a man working here yesterday holding a sign.
He looked like this. You know, he came over and
helped me when I was being attacked, and they brought
him over and I got to thank him for that.
And I know he was called before the grand jury
to testify but I didn't get to see him that
day a year and a half later. But I mean,

(08:58):
it was other people who saved me. And I think
of the situations you see where people try to help
someone else getting attacked in public and they get prosecuted,
and all the time, I thank God that this man.
I mean, I would assume because I'm a woman, someone
sees a woman being attacked clabbered by this massive guy.
They might not even have see me because this guy

(09:19):
was so big and just taking me down. But people
came to help, and in this day and age, that
that might have been the difference between you know, a
worser crime or maybe death.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
That's right, Yeah, you know, I think I always, you know,
after spending fifteen years of carrying a gun for a
living and all the trauma from that, and then all
you know, the ramifications of all those experiences, not only
with me but my friends and processing their trauma. You know,
it's really just this, you know, you always try and

(09:57):
find those little pieces that can bring the humanity back
to the experience, right that you're like, Okay, there is
some goodness in the world, and there is some people
out there that do possess that what is it that
righteousness to persevere in those those extreme situations? Unfortunately, you
know that, I mean so many of that. You hear

(10:18):
just thousands of accounts in these big cities where people
just walk by and they don't even react. So, you know,
thank God for him and the other people that reacted
for you.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
But the other problem I think where then it really
kind of got out of control, is you know, do
you who was the judge that made that call and
what was their rationale? What did the DA tell you?
What did the judge say that you know that this
is why we have to do this.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, So in DC, it's an interesting process because we
don't have district attorneys or das we have, is it
if it's a felony defense, a prosecuting it. So that
was a really empowering thing to know that the US
Attorney's Office was going to bring my case. It really,
I would gave me such a good feeling and still

(11:08):
does to know that they did this. But the judge,
I've actually through this entire process, never once stepped in
the courtroom. The only time I appeared in court was
virtually before the grand jury. And then I guess it's
sentencing as well. I read a statement and so I
actually don't know who the judge was. It was letters

(11:31):
that I was getting in the mail from the US
Attorney's office letting you know he's been arrested again. And
then the attorney might call me the day after and
say the judge toes to release him. And so yeah,
a lot of people on X have asked who was
the judge? People want, people are angry and.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
How with what we're seeing right now?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it, And I honestly I
don't know. I know the name of the assailant. My
name has been protected through this whole process because I'm
a sex abuse victim and I'm grateful that the system
protects me from, you know, just just having my name
out there. So me coming out is it's a very

(12:13):
scary thing because I'm not naming the man who attack
to me. I don't want to give him any more reason.
This was a random attack, right, It wasn't intentional because
of my reporting or anything. But I don't want to
give him any reason to hate me more, right, right,
And and he could put the pieces together and figure
it out probably, Oh this happened, then this is what

(12:34):
happened after. But but yeah, so much of it, which
which is what makes it so hard going through it.
You just feel like the system doesn't care about you.
And I used to say to my my father during
this process, I bet this judge has a daughter, and
I bet he would not be doing this if I
was his daughter. You just can't. Yeah, And there their

(12:58):
their explanation why they didn' told him in jail was
the jail. The DC jail was full. It was during COVID,
which in DC was years long, not like the rest
of the country, which was like a few months, maybe
a year. It was years, and so they didn't want
to overfill the jail, and so I felt like that
was putting me and every other woman, even every other
man on the street in danger. Because what I didn't

(13:21):
find out until sentencing was that before he attacked me,
he was at large for having attacked an off duty
female police officer, and so they knew and they responded
that day to my attack, the police on sne They
knew this matches the description, This is the same exact
area he went after a woman in a sex crime,

(13:42):
and so they knew this looked like the same guy.
And yet those things apparently weren't enough, and he had
a record already to be held in jail.

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Speaker 3 (15:08):
Thank you very much, hu yah and god speed. Did
when you.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Did you ever have the opportunity to question the prosecutors
to get answers from them? Well?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Why is this happening? How often has this happened?

Speaker 1 (15:24):
You know how many of these predators are released on
a day?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Like? Did you ever?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Because I know you you are a very talented journalist
as well too, so you know, after managing your own
vulnerability and your trauma and that experience and then feeling
like you could be hunted from that, I mean just
processing that alone is so significant. People can't fathom it
unless you've been through it, right and and but on

(15:49):
the other side, you know, you you do have access
to federal prosecutors who are carrying Did you ever get
the opportunity to inquiry on a deeper level of what
actually going on?

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And why?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, my conversations with the US attorney I had
two that represented me, one for the first six months
and then they switched out. I had a different one.
They said that January sixth, they said that had no
impact on my case. I put it in the op
ed because I thought we'll let people decide. But you know,

(16:24):
I never really thought that big. I think I was
so focused on I must be the only one. Why
is this happening? You don't know that you're a tree
for the forest, right, you don't know that this is
happening broadly, and that so many people are being released,
and you know, I love to know. The only thing
we really talked about and along those lines was yeah,

(16:48):
we're frustrated too, you know, yeah this And sometimes I
even felt I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I felt
like would they even be bringing this case if I
hadn't stayed on them, and because of my work as
a national reporter, I mean, this wasn't a rape. He

(17:08):
got away that day, and so we don't have any
proof that he had a weapon on him when he
attacked me, although he was later arrested for carrying a
machete near my apartment, so you know, that would have
been an additional charge. We don't know if this was
going to be an attempted homicide attempted rape, so those
charges also are irrelevant. And you know, you look at

(17:31):
it and like you said at the beginning, it's you
weren't raped. It's just a sex crime. It's not you know,
the worst and in the world eyes it's you know,
you move on, you get over it. And I think
sometimes even prosecutors and just the system can feel like,
you know, people almost forget I was also assaulted. You know,

(17:54):
this wasn't just a sexual assault. I was bound. I
could not get away.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, well, and you could. You could actually prosecute for
kidnapping once once you're bound, that opens the door for
that whole you know, resist a restraint against your will,
that goes into a kidnapping charge. So, you know, with
a person that's dedicated towards, you know, getting predators off
the streets, you make that case.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Work no matter what.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now, you know, you do have to say, all right,
they did get a conviction, but after how long? How
long was the total time from when it started to
where he was incarcerated.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It started, the crime occurred in April twenty twenty, and
then we were supposed to start moving toward trial at
the end of twenty twenty in the fall early winter,
and they called me up and said the US Attorney's
Office we've been delayed six months and he's still at large.
Their plan was to have police arrest him when we
were getting ready to go to trial because they felt

(18:57):
like they could find him. They know where he lived
on the street, which didn't do much for me. So
then they alert, Yeah, they said, we've been delayed until
after like six months, so into like the spring of
twenty twenty one. We know what happened. In early twenty
twenty one, January sixth, the Feds nationwide, but especially the
District of Columbia chose to prosecute. You know, I think

(19:21):
probably had the most case as far as prosecutions, and
so they got delayed until the end of twenty twenty one,
and finally that third start time, they said, okay, we're
moving forward. We're going to take him into custody. He's
being arrested five times during this period. He exposed himself
his genitals to a staff member at the Supreme Court,

(19:44):
was arrested. He violated the restraining order outside my apartment,
and I applaud police for the officers on the ground
actually arresting him, because that's like the least thing they
need to be concerned about, is violating a restraining order right,
but five times, including the machete into offenses, and so
they let him out every time, and we finally they

(20:04):
rested him late twenty twenty one and said we're moving
to trial. I went to d C in December twenty
twenty one, testified before I was living in Texas. By
then I left d C and I flew into d
C to testify for the grand jury. And I got
there and I'm envisioning this, you know, SVU grand jury,

(20:26):
you know this real process. And they said, because you
came in from out of state, we can't let you
appear in the same room as the grand jury and
the judge because it's a health risk. And so they
put me in a room directly next to the grand jury,
and I spoke into a camera and looked at a
Actually there was no screen. I just spoke into the camera,
so I didn't even see anybody and testified as to

(20:49):
what happened to me. And then that day I went
and flew home back to Texas. So the whole process,
I don't feel like I've been through a lee process.
It was a bizarre and he ended up in January
twenty twenty two. They said Okay, we're going to go
for a plea deal. This is the US Attorney's office.

(21:11):
And I felt like I didn't have a choice of
that matter. Now that was my decision to make, but
I felt heavily pressured, like, you don't want to go
to trial. It's going to be unpleasant, it's going to
take longer. We're just going to get him to sign
a plea deal if we can, and it'll be a

(21:31):
little short sentence, but you know, we'll get this done quicker.
And in my head, you don't want to fight a
US attorney. You know, You're like, I don't know. You're
telling me, you know the process. I don't know what
I'm doing here. And so that's something that's still it
bothers me. Because he ended up getting he had sentenced
in March twenty two. He was deemed competent and stable

(21:54):
to go to prison. They do a whole testing before
someone is officially sentenced, and he got about two two
and a half years. This is when I found out
the day of sentencing for what he did to me,
what he did to this off duty female police officer,
and then the five other crimes which were lowered down
to misdemeanors, so everything bundled up together nicely. And he's

(22:19):
since been release from prison back onto the street in
d C. So I don't know if he's been arrested again.
I don't know where he is. I told the US
Attorney's office, please don't contact me again. I'm done. And
yet it's that's where we're at today. But that's one
of the reasons I can't. You know, I'm not going

(22:40):
to live my life based on him. But at the
same time, I don't feel safe in DC, not just
because of him, but all the other thousand thousand ways
that someone could hurt you.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Oh yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Just you know the system now, so you know, well,
someone hurts me, they might not hold him and he
could live a block for me and it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
So that's right, and that's what's taken place now. The
other facet of your phenomenal article was the reality of
the statistics and the cover up of those statistics.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
So can you talk a little.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Bit about how they hid this within their crime statistics reporting.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah. So I went back to work several weeks after
the attack. Again, like I said, you know, bound to
just get back to regular life and I'm a Homeland
security reporter. I cover the department. Typically I'm covering border patrol, customs,
and ice. During COVID, we pivoted a little bit more
to crime and civil unrest, those things which made my

(23:40):
recovery a little more difficult. You're looking at how society
feels like it's falling apart, and you have no human
contact every day, and you live six floors up in
her sirens every day. So in May or June of
twenty twenty, shortly after the attack, I had Actually the
backstory is I had moved from Upper Georgetown in d

(24:01):
C great safe area to next to Union Station. It
was better for work. And before I moved, I looked
at DC's crime map. Because I'm used to working with
the FEDS, I knew that the data would be there,
and I based my move on They used to have
pins on the map for different crimes. And said, Okay,
this apartment building is better than this one two blocks away,

(24:22):
then this one over here by Whole Foods or this,
and like chose this building because it was one of
the best locations just in a few blocks. And so
I went back after the attack, and I was doing
a story on a violent crime in DC had gone up.
That includes burglaries, robberies, homicides, assaults, sex abuse.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Carjackings, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Carjackings. Yeah, And I'm looking at the map and I thought,
I'm going to look at where the pin is for
my attack, because they showed just the month of April
twenty twenty. And I zoomed in on that area. It
was Second Street northeast and between like F and G
and there's no pit and I was like, Oh, they

(25:07):
didn't put the pen up yet. What's wrong with these people?
You know? So I look at my home address across
the street and them there. I thought maybe they put
it with my old home address in Georgetown. I'm looking
over there and nothing. I'm looking at all my previous
addresses because you know, in DC you move around a
little bit, and so I'm looking at my work address.
Then I think in DC there's four of pretty much
every address because there's four quadrants. So I'm checking the

(25:30):
other quadrants. There's nothing. And I reached out to the
police and I asked them I'm a victim, but I'm
also a reporter. I'm writing a story and I'm curious
why my assault isn't on here, and they responded to
me and said, we're only putting first degree crimes, first
degree felonies on the map. And that set a tone

(25:53):
for the next few years where I felt like what
happened to me wasn't significant, even though it brought me
so much grief and changed my life. It was confusing
to me why we were moving forward with pressing charges
if this wasn't even going to be a pin on
a map. To say this happened really invalidating and in

(26:18):
a victim's recovery. Uh, I mean, the one thing you
want to have is the police on your.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Side, acknowledgment.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, that's right, that that yes, you your rights were violated.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
You were violated.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
We acknowledge that, and you know, and and and you know,
we're sorry that it happened.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah, you know that's that's the that's even the hardest one, right, Yeah,
because they're they're so desensitized by the magnitude of how
crime has has taken over, you know, their city streets.
And then you know, the next nefarious nature of this
is what are they getting told in their briefs every morning? Right? Oh,

(27:01):
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going to respond to your crime like you're gonna get
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you're gonna have a break in. We're not coming to
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Speaker 3 (28:44):
Thank you very much. In godspeed.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
And you know, when you get to that place in society,
what you have a couple options, right you Either you know,
you know, you say, all right, enough is enough. You
ramp up your police recruitment, give them you know, greater
uh breadth of of what to be able to wrap

(29:09):
them up for a rest, right, a broader spectrum, and
then you you guarantee, hey, we're going to prosecute these people,
We're gonna put them away. But the opposite was happening.
It's almost like there is something somewhere, someone has come
in and said, no, we're not going to do this.
We're we're not going to prosecute crime. It's you know,

(29:31):
we're violating their lights, the rights. And that's what I
think the majority of like very not a majority, but
a profound amount of people in America are feeling, is
that the criminals are the ones who are being taken
care of. Is that what you felt when you're as
you further go into investigating crimes.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, that's exactly what I felt. And the month after
my attack was when George Floyd's death occurred, and that
spurred riots, you know in different cities, including DC and
partic that lasted a while, and so I'm then living
through you know, defund the police, and I'm like, I

(30:11):
I didn't have like a conscious reaction to it. It's
almost looking back, you're thinking, well, that was confusing to
live through. And I didn't come out. I didn't come
out with my story. I came out a couple of
years ago on Twitter. Actually it was a year ago
on Twitter, and I just said, today marks four years
since I was attacked. No one knows this happened. I'm

(30:33):
going to write a book that was it. And this,
you know, this a couple of weeks ago was really
the first time I've I've said, hey, I'm going to
talk about more about this. But last when I was
writing this offbed, I contact the DC police again and said,
are you showing all degrees of all felonies on your

(30:55):
website on this crime page? It's also now it's called
the crime cards page, so they renamed it. And I
noticed when I looked at it, they don't showl pins anymore.
They have like squares over certain you know, a couple
of blocks within each square, and they're color coded to
show the crime crime level there. And they said, we

(31:15):
went back and forth and I could not get a
straight answer, so I said, fine, let's just talk about
sex abuse. There used to be four degrees of sex
abuse you could be charged with in DC.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Are those all.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
In the in the listed here? And they said, what's
listed is first degree for rape and then certain second
degree which is attempted rape. And you know, to this day,
I don't know where my crime was going. I don't
know if the detectives didn't get an answer from the
guy who assaulted me when they arrested him three months later,
or or what. But for me, it means it's not

(31:51):
going to be on the crime map, and it makes
me wonder how many other victims have no idea, they're
not in rooted in those stats and just think, you know,
it's it's a weird thing that matters to you. It
matters for how we a society of vie crime. But
I want an honest look how safe the city is

(32:16):
right where crimes occur. But also as a victim, we
already spoke about this, but it says you mattered, what
happened to you mattered because why should the attorney's office
prosecute it? And it's not on Yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I am completely convinced that this is, you know, part
of a of a much larger focused effort to you know,
reduce the necessity to target a specific.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Area where crime originates.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Right, And I think you know once you look at
a crime map of a particular city, and you know,
I've had friends at the Bureau of friends at the agent,
I worked at the agencies.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I know how how you.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Target areas and why and how you identify criminal rings
and criminal enterprises.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I got all that.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
But it's like they know where this stuff is taking
place because the beat coop on the street is filing
a report every single day. That report goes up to
whoever that watch commander is and then that watch commander
puts it into the system. But they're not making it
into the system. And there's a reason for that. And
I think what we're seeing from this backlash of Trump finally,

(33:30):
you know, federalizing the protection of citizens in d C.
I mean, the perfect example in my mind is that
you know that DC went the first time, and I'm
not quite sure. Maybe you could help me with how
long that they didn't have a homicide in a week
in d C.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I think it was like twelve or thirteen days.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
So think about that, think, I mean, that's that's an
insane reality to the state of things. And then you
look at you look at you know, for me, the
one I was in phill Itdelta crime statistics last spring,
I think it was. I looked at and there was
I don't know, it's something like eighteen hundred carjackings, right,

(34:10):
and the average age of the carjacker was thirteen to
fifteen years old. And we saw the one in DC
the two girls carjacked the car and then ended up,
you know, dying from the carjack or killed the guy.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And then that happened at the.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Lad a block from where I moved to after this
attack in d C. Oh my god, and the uber
driver was killed. It was that's right. It was so close.
It was right outside nat Stadium, and it was like,
you just can't get away from crazy stuff always happening.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, well that's the reality. I think when you look
at the social fabric I think of the country has
shifted profoundly, and it shifted because people feel unsafe, and
they feel unsafe from the magnitude I think of corruption
that our government has displayed over the last you know,
x amount. I mean depend upon where you like to

(35:04):
originate the corruption level. You know, whether it's John F.
Kennedy's assassination or you know, it's even in the modern
era of the Iraq War and afterwards, whether you know
it's corruption at a federal level, it's a state level, whatever,
it seems like it's out of control. And the thing
that is automatically affected by those levels of corruption is

(35:24):
the civilian population because crime just goes unchecked in those moments.
And you know, I think it's this is indicative of
a much larger thing that's going on around the world.
I mean, if you look at the sexual assault statistics,
rape statistics over in Europe. I just read a post

(35:45):
on x that showed, you know, well, it's like five
year twenty nineteen. It was something like, you know, I
think almost eight thousand rapes in England and then it's
like sixty eight thousand sexual assaults now or it's some
astronomical advancement. And and the reality is is it seems

(36:08):
like governments municipalities are pulling back on the protection of
its citizens. Do you feel the same thing as you
obviously with your you know, your level of your investigated mind,
you're trying, I would imagine you're trying to discover is
this a construct of uh, you know, the degradation of
our civil society.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Is it a degradation of of you know, uh policing
or what is it?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
So?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
What are your thoughts on why is is crime going
unchecked as a whole in particular against women?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, you know, at the top of my head, I
think it's twofold. I think women just still aren't and
maybe some of its unconscious bias just aren't seen as
as a sex crime. You know, I'm trying to think

(37:04):
of myself as a man in my head who it thinks, well,
she probably enjoyed it. It was terrible, you know, like
I'm trying to think because I don't know. I mean,
like I don't know. When I was screaming no, don't
touch me, it means don't touch me anywhere. So I
think part of it is just women just aren't viewed

(37:28):
the same as men, and the sex crime is like
a bizarre it's almost unfortunate we have to say it's
a sex crime. It's an assault, period, That's right. It's
an assault on a certain part of your body in
a certain way, but you're being assaulted. And that was
part of coming out. I was deciding whether it's a
sexual assault or assault because I've seen the comments on

(37:49):
X what people say I shouldn't shouldn't have been wearing
or doing. I was in sweats with my hair in
a bun, so I couldn't have looked worse that day,
but I was targeted, and I think women and children
are always going to be at the lower end unfortunately
of the totem pole. I work on the border. I've

(38:11):
been to the border on sixty occasions, particularly during the
Biden administration when people were just flooding across and what
you can't know looking at someone coming across is is
this person being trafficked against their will. And so many
people who pay to be smuggled are they're under the impression, Okay,

(38:37):
I don't have this money, but i'll give you some
of it, and then when I get to the final destination,
I'll send you money. Every month. They never make it
to their aunts in Chicago. They get taken to New
Orleans and they're working in god only knows what type
of work. It could be a restaurant of bodega, which
that's the best case circumstance, or it could be sex

(38:57):
work or forced flavor in another way. And they pay
off that debt, debt and then some and pay for
all their living expenses. They don't go to the police
because you know, you're coming from a country that has
terrible relations with police typically, and so you know, even that,
I think the right is very concerned about that, certainly

(39:18):
more than the left is. And it's it's almost like
it hasn't made it mainstream. We know rape is bad,
we know women shouldn't be victims of these crimes, but
you know, it's it's like we almost accept it as well.
It's always going to happen, you know, because there's a
power dynamic, you know. As far as why it's happening

(39:42):
more so in the world, it's it's hard to put
the nail nail on the head and say why, And.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Well, I think a component of his culture, I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
And we're seeing how much migration right now. And I
want to be really careful right because we're not saying
people from somewhere or somewhere are are inherently bad or
targeting women because of that. But when you look at cultures,
some have no value for women or only see women
valued in a certain way. So inevitably, if a lot

(40:23):
of people from one culture are going into a culture
that doesn't see women in that way and respects women,
and you're going to have big changes like that, and
you can't change. It's not like you can pass a
law and say no, we don't treat we already have
a law, we don't treat women like this, or this
is something we don't do. You know, so many of

(40:44):
the people that ICE is targeting within the country and arresting.
I see it every single day are legitimate pedophiles and
people keeps the sex crimes, convicted of sex crimes. I
mean overwhelmingly, I see so many targeting of people under eighteen, twelve, thirteen,
even younger. It's not the exception, it's the norm. And

(41:08):
so that makes me think, what about it typically from
certain countries in Latin America? Why does it seem like
this is a very popular crime we're seeing in the US.
And I don't know the answer to that question. Maybe
it's just that they think they can get away with
it because they're younger, or women have less inherent value,

(41:32):
and are you know, in certain cultures in Latin America.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
But yeah, I agree on all those assets. I think
they're all relevant questions to ask because there's relevant data
that supports it, right, and if we could get the
appropriate data, the real data right with not only the
specificity of every level of salt where it took place,

(41:57):
but who committed the crime? And you know, I think
the overwhelming majority is repeat offenders that have had a
life of crime, and in particular sexual assault or salt
or pedophilic criminals. Right, And I think you know those people,
You're right, there's this idea that you know, how do

(42:20):
we protect when there's so many going on right now?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
There?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I think you have you know, the cop on the
street is inundated with so much crime and then being
told well, that's not a real crime. This is a
real crime. We can only handle this or we only
want to do so everybody's confused across the whole level, like,
all right, well this is something. This is a fat
women in the protection of women and children should be

(42:45):
a cornerstone for what American justice looks like. I mean,
and that that's you would hope, but inevitably what it
just continues and continues and continues. So I just I
thank you for your courage of being able to come
out and share this, but also the work you're doing

(43:07):
with investigating this and telling the truth of these the
crime and where it's at and what's going on. I hope,
you know, with the recent you know, effort to you know,
federalize a lot of these very dangerous cities around the country,
you might give some semblance of like maybe it's changing

(43:30):
a little bit and get some hope going in you
because otherwise, I know, it just might be so difficult.
I mean, I as I said when we before we
came on, you know, I have fourteen age daughters. The
scariest thing that I possibly could feel is them leaving
my house and my protection and even where I live
in South Florida. You know, my oldest says, I want

(43:51):
to go down to Miami, which is one of the
top human trafficking hubs of the world.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
And I'm like, who you going with? Are you?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know, she's not an old enough to care very
concealed weapon yet, so it's like, well, how do we
get her there? Here?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Do I give you mace?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Do I here's a blade, Here's how you strike a blade,
Here's a you know here you know. But again, as
she's a child and so being able to you know,
live with that level of situational awareness and also try
and be a child and have fun. Man, it's like
it's you're caught in this conundrum of of of this
social degradation that continues to happen.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
So thank you so much. Anna.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Where can people follow your work? When's the book going
to come out?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
You think?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
And and just you know, how can people just really
start paying attention and get behind what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, I'm talking with several publishers right now. Since this
story went viral on x it fortunately brought a lot
of attention and people want to share that story. So
we're TVD on when that's going to come out. It
could be a few months to a year, And the
best way to find me is on X and on Instagram.

(45:00):
It's Anna underscored jewrs helly Anna.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Once again, just thank you so much for your courage.
I'm sorry this happened to you.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
If I had been there that day, that dude would
not have been going to jail. I promise you that,
But I just I hope you keep, you know, inspiring
not only women but everybody and bring awareness to what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Thank you so much, David for having me on and
for amplifying the story.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And this issue. You're welcome. Thank you, God bless you
you

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