What if nations weren’t conquered by armies—but by debt, data, and deception?
In this explosive episode, Navy SEAL David Rutherford sits down with former Green Beret, financial strategist, and author EM Burlingame to expose the Financialist Kill Chain—a chilling 7-step playbook used to infiltrate, entrap, and collapse nations from the inside out.
From historical roots in Venetian banking to the manipulation of global markets today, Burlingame breaks down how modern financial elites use influence, debt, asset seizures, and economic destabilization to dominate countries without firing a single shot.
If you want to understand the real mechanisms behind economic collapse, rising authoritarianism, and global instability, this is the episode you can’t afford to miss.
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The 7 stages of the Financialist Kill Chain
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BlackRock, algorithmic trading & economic warfare
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The hidden history of global finance from Venice to Wall Street
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How pension funds, national debt, and infrastructure are weaponized
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Why America may be next
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you know what a financialist kill chain is or
how it's going to be the end of nations. Well
it's time for you to join me and my guest E. M.
Burling Game on the David Rutherford Show. As a person
that is pretty much consumed with what's taken place on
x and Instagram and all of the other you know,
(00:22):
monologues and dialogues that are taking place every single day,
and the explosion of kind of this historical relevance that's
that we're seeing emerge on the Internet, from the Martyr
Made podcast to revisionist history podcasts. So all of this,
I find myself really trying to get focused on individuals
(00:46):
that seem to have a real understanding and grasp of
the details of history, not just you know, to synthesize
it or give a glossy overview. And so as I
was preparing to go on on Dan Halloway's show Than
Citizen podcast, which I highly recommend for everybody, it's a
great show, I was doing my research. I came across
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a gentleman named Iamburling Game and who you know, obviously
you look at his resume, you know, former Green Beret.
He's a researcher. He's an author, you know, I and
I started following him and what I quickly began to
realize was that his grasp and understanding of history and
it is not only impeccable, but it's it's absolute. It
(01:33):
provokes such a deeper sense of thinking that it sucked
me into where I was like waking up every day
and I was thinking to myself, man, I want I
want more, I want more. And then I started commenting
and next thing you know, we started chatting, and he
started feeding me a lot of his his stuff that's
on his website on imberlinggame dot com and in his writings,
(01:56):
and I really began to go, Wow, this guy has
a deeper understanding that I really want to share with
my audience. So, em Man, it is such a privilege
to have you on. I'm really excited about digging into
the Financialist kill chain article you wrote, h and so
thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You're I don't generally engage with people very often other
than a small group, but the things that you were
putting up and your commentary on it was like, Okay, well,
this is a guy that he gets it more than
certainly more than most of the soft guys, but more
than a lot of the other pundits as well.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So well, thank you. You know. One of the I
think the difficult things that you know, I talk about
often with with my other friends is, you know, we're
there's a representation of our communities that you know, are
are putting out really interesting content and it's you know,
I think it's a lot of what what what people
want to see and want to hear, whether it's in
(03:00):
the team room stuff or it's the tactical evaluation stuff
or whatever. But you know what my favorite are or
when guys actually you know, are able to uh utilize
their experiences in the world that we come from as
as a conduit for opening their consciousness to a much
(03:22):
more what would be the right word, a much more
hard reality to the fact of of the roles we
actually play in Geode politics. I'll never forget when I
first my only combat deployment in the teams in the
(03:43):
summer O two, when I used to believe that I
was you know, the tip of the spear, and I
was out there and I was going to change the
course of history. And next you know, and I realized, well,
not only am I, you know, a pawn not a
pawn on this you know, you know, you know, chessboard
of a million infinite chess boards, playing a game I
(04:05):
don't understand with rules that aren't really the rules. But
I was actually like a piece of wint on the
felt underneath the pond. And and I, you know, finding
other people that are able to deliver that without demeaning
the significance of the communities that we come from, the
historical relevance in the work of our compatriots, who who
(04:30):
really in there in the individual way have have done
remarkable things, but are still able to take a step
back and go, ohh, there's a much bigger picture here
going on. So you're you're that guy for me?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, I think maybe perhaps because I had an unusual
path into sof if I didn't get there till I
was in my forties. I had my forty second birthday
the second day of selection.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh my gosh, the first time I went selection because
I separated my right shoulder. I had to go back
about seven months later and finally did get selected.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But I already been in tech.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I'd already been in Silicon Valley I had already be
an investment banker oriented around technology mostly. I've been in
the art business for a little bit as a chief
financial officer in Europe, so I did and you know,
in Monaco, and you know, so I'd had and then
i had a very unique mother and childhood, so.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'd had a lot of this kind of experience.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I went into soft because there was some there was
some dynamics I didn't understand that I couldn't get in
the books, that I couldn't get in the conversations with,
you know, the community I came from and.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Engaged with.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I was also looking in financial data when I
was doing analysis and due diligence for investments around the world,
and things didn't add up. It's, you know, what was
being articulated by the best financial information companies and companies,
et cetera at the time didn't match up to what
was going on in the world. And then you'd see
(06:05):
even the best analysts were not able to make the
right analysis. I was like, Okay, well, something's wrong with
the baseline frontline data. I need to get out there
in the world and outside of the you know, curated
safety bubble of an investor in some part of the world,
and the only way to do that was like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And in a certain mission set.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I was like, okay, well, the only guys I know
that do that are the green Berets, you know, specifically
the dime mission, diplomacy, information, military economics, right, and then
increasingly the finance, intelligence, and law enforcement are legal as well.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And so I'd already had a bit.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Of a life before, which gave me a little bit
of a different perspective, you know, substantive.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And then I had an im mental.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Amount to learn about SOLF itself and its mission and
the people. And and then there was the same thing.
It was like, okay, well we're out doing work, but
the data doesn't match up to what we're being told.
That's right, the intelligence doesn't match up. And then I
was like, I was involved in writing some of the
intelligence reports. And then I go back into a certain
(07:18):
database of databases later on a year or two years later,
and what I've written wasn't That's not what we wrote.
Somebody had edited that before it finally got accepted, right,
So then I started going, I wonder how much that's
been happening in.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
History, right, exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Wonder how And then it's like, okay, so why is
that happening? Well, I'd had some time in algorithmic high
frequency trading before I went in in late two thousand
and eight, and I would look at tartans went into
the targeting side of things with the SITH, and it
(08:06):
was interesting who we were allowed to look at for
targeting and who was actually being exercised. And as you know,
that's not always kill you know, more often than not,
it's you know, if not capture, co opt in some
other way to get them working for you, right, But
it was like, who were we actually who was who
(08:28):
was the tier one guys and you know, the equivalent
tier one local assets actually exercising and why why them?
Well it short turned out a whole lot of times
that if you talk to the threat finance guys, you'd
find out why. And it had something to do with
moving some stock in some exchange, you know, some market
around the world for three or four days, so algorithmic
(08:51):
trading guys could make a billion dollars or so.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, that is uh. Those are the things that kind
of hit you like a ton of bricks. For me,
the big one was when I left the teams, I
went to work for Blackwater right and my second gig,
well first gig was working an Azerbaijan for about ten months,
and our job was to design and implement a maritime
(09:18):
interdiction program for the cas be It And what ended
up coming out was it's essentially some type of reconnaissance
mission for the nuclear material that's moving north and south,
you know, from Russia and Iran. And then the next
one was doing training counter drug command. It was in Afghanistan,
(09:40):
which is the greatest what is it, the greatest irony
on the planet when after the second op I you know,
was mentoring on and it was the second drug lord
we tried to take down and there was nobody there, right,
And so that's for me all of a sudden, you know,
and I'm just a kid still, and I thought I
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had understand a little bit of the world. But now
all of a sudden, things really start to unfold for me.
And by the time I went to work for you know,
the agency, it was a whole different ballgame. At that time,
I was I was kind of awoken to the real
complexities of how all of this stuff is interlaced. And
(10:21):
that's why I think, you know, the content that you're
putting out is so critical to help people understand the
depths of of these Maybe you know these these playbooks,
if you will, right, these these these are frameworks that
have been in place, not not for you know, strictly
(10:42):
post World War two or post Vietnam or or even
the modern you know, g WID. I mean, these are
playbooks that have been around for a long long time.
And and so what I was hoping you could do
today is just introduce, you know, that one article the
evolution of the financialist kill chain, and you could explain
(11:03):
what that financialist kill chain is, and then the history
of this story, so we can get people to try
to start to think in a grander scale about how
all of this stuff is in related.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, so maybe we walked through the seven steps of
the kill chain itself. And a little background just just
to give you. In the nineties, I did corporate restructuring.
(11:37):
This was after the leverage buyout days of the eighties,
where you know, junk bonds cheap, you know, the equivalent
of cheap free money at the time, you know, like
quality any Easy now built the bri equity industry.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Back in the eighties Gecko days, we got greed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Is good, right, the k k R days, the you know,
so a good number of the billionaires that we have
today were made in the leverage buyout days, right, the.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Non tech oligarch ones.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So on the other side of that, in the nineties,
we had to fix all those problems we had because
all of it was it was one of the first
great flea scenes. Okay, all of these private companies, right,
all these assets, all these private companies slammed them together
(12:34):
in these big conglomerates, raised massive amounts of debt to
make those acquisitions, floated junk bonds to get people to
pay for it, and IPOs, all of which though you know,
eighty plus percent of the proposed value of these you know,
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break everything up, you know, bring everything together into big,
massive conglomerate companies, centralize everything. All these you know, valued
unlocking things that were sold to raise all this debt
and junk paper and to dump these onto the public
markets was all a lie. It was never intended for that.
(13:18):
It was intended for the fees that were made in
the process and the wealth that people made in the
markets by taking wealth from retirement funds that were increasingly
legally allowed to invest in the stock markets. Okay, in
the nineties, we had to fix all those problems or
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many of those problems, and unfortunately we couldn't fix a
whole lot, but there was things we could do well recently.
And I don't know why I didn't think about this before,
but maybe it just wasn't part of the path as
I started to realize, well, that happens at the level
of nations, principalities, dukedoms, earldoms, baronets. You know that this
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has been going on for a very very long time,
and the West Phalian world model put in place in
the sixteen hundreds is what really instantiated this in all
of the West at every level.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So maybe we talked to kill chain.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And keep in mind that it's both corporations, banks, you know.
So this is playing out in the business and industry
and finance, but it's also happening at the state level,
at the nation state level, okay, with the same financialists
behind it all. So the first step is infiltration and influence.
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So the financialistsmbed themselves in the country's leadership, posing as
advisors or allies.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
What the hell is the we the world economic forma.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Right stakeholder, right, It's the state stay.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, right, So.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What was Operation maxwell Epstein? Really it wasn't about kids.
That was just a mechanism. And there's all kinds of
other ways to compromise people and to get them onto it, right.
So that's the infiltration and influence. Then there's debt entrapment.
They push unsustainable loans, locking nations into repayment cycles. What
(15:17):
was the whole climate crisis thing? The whole climate you know,
you've got to invest all of this money. You know, cities, county,
states and nations had to invest, you know, or create
municipal bonds that the financialists could buy and trade so
that you could raise the debt so that you could
roll out this new infrastructure, right, and everything related and
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all kinds of other things. But that's one that comes
to my tought of my mind. In the process, what
are you doing. You're identifying assets, right, You're identifying the
assets in that country or in that company or that corporation,
because now you're on the inside. Now you've got people
on the inside. Now you have you know, you're trying
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to expand upon what you're doing. You're trying to you're
bringing more people in who get paid off a little
bit or make some money or some career or whatever
it is. But what you're really doing inside of all
of there is you're identifying assets of value to you
and you're figuring out, how can I gain access to
that asset? How can I Because what do the financialists
(16:23):
need more than anything else? They need collateral, right, because
you've got to have collateral for debt. They don't create
anything ever ever, so they have to find assets that
others have created and established and in the form of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
States, nation states. That's infrastructure, wow, And his activity.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Is that that's that's your commodities, right, that's the stuff
that comes out of the ground. That's your correct rare money.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It's also it's also revenue bases for power generation, so
it's your utilities. It's your you know, so power generation gas,
so it's also tax bass right, so San Francisco. For
(17:08):
the financialists, that's an asset. That's a revenue generator, right.
So you sell bonds to build up or improve your
revenue generating utilities. Those bonds are purchased by the financiers,
they're paid off by the taxpayers. Are they're they're secured
and guaranteed by the tax base, right, what is the
(17:31):
US national debt? The US national debt is you know,
is the using the United States tax base as an
asset as a collateralized asset in the form of that
debt is collateral. It's why treasuries are the most secure
collateral in the world, the most sought after collateral in
the world.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Why because it's backed up.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
By the by the ability of the United States to
enforce people to pay tax through the violence.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
How that's that's the key, right, don't pay your taxes,
get a knocked go to jail, to jail everything. How
the pension funds integrated into.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That, right, So that's through you know, management of Black Rock,
State Street, Vanguard, et cetera. That's another mechanism whereby they
those funds in the retirement funds.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is collateral as well.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Funds under management can be used as collateral. Now it
should be illegal, and it was until nineteen ninety four
Deregulation Act. So, but all of these things are collateralized assets.
Now there's there are some strictures, limitations on the ability
to how do you enforce the payment or the acquisition
(19:04):
of collateral, And there are some limitations on the retirement stuff,
but not much. That's that whole bailian thing, right, that great,
the great taking stuff that the gentleman whose names scares
me right now, but who's very brilliant about.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
All that articulates. That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's the mechanims whereby should they need to expend that collateral.
They have the mechanisms through the banks and other things,
you know, the hypothfication system, et cetera, to take that
asset right, right, so you know assets value, resource, land, industry,
tax bases, infrastructure, retirement funds, et cetera. Now there's limit,
(19:42):
they don't necessarily because everything they do is on debt, right,
Everything that they do is based off of debt and
fees fees earned. There's various ways in which they get
their fees. They don't always want to cash out that asset.
That's not always in their best interest, especially if they
went after retirement funds, et cetera. There'll be a revolution, right,
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But for as long as they can use it as
many ways as they can, they're going to use that
as a collateralized asset that gains them access to other
things other countries, other states, bigger investments, big corporations. And
a prime example of this is black Rock. It's exactly
what Blackrock does with something like tens of billions on
(20:29):
its own books. It manages tens of trillions, right, right, Okay,
so that's step three. The third step is and they're
constantly doing step three, which is asset identification constantly, and
that's natural resources, you know, in countries, locations, it's all
kinds of things. So anything that could be used as
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collateral for lending in debt or for the refinancing of
old debts, which is a lot of what happens, right, Okay.
Economic destabilization is step four. That's where the markets are
manipulated to deepen a crisis.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sometimes there's pulsing of that destabilization so that they can
liquidate some assets, they can liquidate some positions, they.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Can roll over debt at a lower rate, right, all
these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But ultimately, the ability of that to compensate for the
theft of productivity, the theft of real asset value improvement
into the financialist system can't be compensated for anymore, and
so that destabilization is constantly woven in there. So because
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later they're going to have to do step seven. So
debt five. Step five's debt for asset swaps. This is
the pulsing, right, they'll pulse and someone won't be able
to pay the debt, and so the financialists will come
in with cap and they'll buy that asset at a
at a discounted rate.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Right, So asset seas in exchange for debt relief. And
this we've seen this not just in corporations, but it
meant you know, municipalities right right. Water, So there's the
The Samarians talked about hydraulic despotism thousands of years ago,
and hydraulic despotism is if you can control the flow
(22:25):
of water, you control of people, right, damn it right,
damming diversion. So the hydraulic despotism beyond that also includes agriculture,
includes fuel.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
For cooking, for other things. It includes electricity.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Today blotting out the sun, blotting out the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So it's all of it collectively is called hydraulic despotism
because of the earlier But okay, if you control so
when they do their debt for.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Assets swaps, the assets.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
That they go after are the ones that support hydraulic
despotism in all of its forms, got it okay?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And or which provide revenues.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But if you see them, and sometimes those are the
same because they're your utilities and other things.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But generally when they go for a swap, an actual
hard collateral for debt swap, they go for assets that
give not generally always give them more power. Or sometimes
they'll go after assets that they can flip at a
higher value to somebody else that they already know about.
(23:41):
Or as what happened turned out to be in the
leverage buyout days of the seventies and eighties into the
early nineties, they had a lot of the companies they
went after had cash.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Hm.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Right, They had cash.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Because cash is king and that way they want that cash.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So it turned out what happened in the starting the
nineties is companies didn't keep very much cash anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
They just kept it in.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Convertibles, in debt, et cetera, which unfortunately made them more
even more susceptible. All right, So number six is extraction
and exploitation. Wealth is dreamed through profit extraction.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's what I'm saying. They take the asset through a
debt swap.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
In its verious complex forms, and they sell that to
somebody else, or they put it into a fund, right,
private equity fund, hedge fund, whatever, excuse me, so that
they can continue to benefit from the revenues generated by it,
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or they'll put it into they'll put it into a
trust or a funder or some kind of an account
that then they can use it as collateral to leverage
up ten to twenty eight hundred times through hypothecation, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
The whole purpose, however, is to tract as much value
out of it for as long as they can, right, okay,
all right, and then to exploit it and then final stage,
which they have to do. Okay, the final stage is
a step seven, which is abandonment and collapse. They have to,
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you know, once they've extracted everything they can, and so
you have to think of these like parasites. Yep, like
a virulent, virulent host killing parasite. Because that's exactly the
mind and the concept the book I wrote, The Eternal War,
goes into this, right.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I started that last week.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's all fascinating thing awesome, you know, So they at
some point they have to abandon collapse and move on. Now,
they've already moved on by that point, right, But they
have to abandon and collapse because the cost for them
to maintain the illusion of a functioning whole system becomes
too expensive. They don't want to carry it. They don't
(25:58):
want to bury it as well. They can't hide what
they've done anymore, right, So they have to do a
collapse war generally, or civil war or failed narco state,
et cetera. They have to do some kind of a
collapse so that, you know, a genocide, so that you're
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so busy fighting each other and trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That you can't look for and see what they've done.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You can't go after him, right, You can't organize and
coordinate to go after them and get get wealth back
from them. What wealth is possible? Like not much? Because
how many people got their money back from Bernie Madoff?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
None?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Or or or from what was the young kid who
just did it again? Oh freed, yeah, yeah, bankment freed
or I mean, it's just it's it's never ending. It's
just one experience after the challenging ones. I think though,
the scary ones that I think, you know, the modern
you know, I think more and more people are starting,
(27:03):
especially with people like you going out there and explaining
this in detail. But you're starting to realize that those
catastrophic events of the twentieth century were relative to this procedure. Right,
we're relative to this.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh, they weren't relative. They're the direct result.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Of the direct result. Sorry, yeah, sorry, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So when you look back through history to where does
this start a thousand years ago? Well, maybe about seven
hundred years ago in Venice. Starts in Venice with the
bankers in Venice who invented modern banking.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And oh, by the way, no, it's not the Jews.
I'm tired of hearing the whole it's the Jews.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It seems like such a sloppy argument nowadays, it's.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's but I mean, they got their people and they're
doing their thing, and I get it, so's everybody else.
But to think that, you know, purely European peoples haven't
been strewing one another over in absolutely ludicrous, least clever
ways for thousands of years before we ever even heard
of a thing called the Jew is like stupid as hell. Yeah, right, absolutely,
(28:17):
the codification of these things go back earlier, right, because
you can hear about it in Egyptian histories and Sumerian
histories and Babylonian histories, and in you know, the you
know who did I think the Jesus guy threw over
the tables of the money changers and the temple and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yep. So this stuff goes back way further.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But when it comes to Europe, and Europe specifically in
the post Roman Empire time, it really this never ending
constant cycle of you know, seven step process really took
off in the thirteenth century in Venice and then it's
(29:03):
just gone from there to Amsterdam, from Amsterdam to London,
from London to Wall Street. They tried to take it
to China next China said no, you were not doing this,
and so what's the next step?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Right? Where do they go from here?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Can you can you drill down on the jump from
Venice to Amsterdam, because I you know what you think
about I mean, obviously, every time you hear about the
Venetian power, right, you think about the meta cheese, You
think about those people that were able to consolidate post
Roman collapse and in power into through the shipping industries.
(29:44):
But from Venice to Amsterdam seems like a weird jump
can you can you explain that a little bit to
people like I. At first, like when I was reading,
I was like, whoa, that that's weird. But when you
started getting into the East India Trading Company, so I
was like, oh that makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So one, they're both swamps. So you know, they keep
talking about draining the swamp in d C. I mean
it's the same people. It's like, wow, maybe there is
something to the actual swamp and it goes back way
before the fact that the DC itself was an actual
literal swamp, right, Like you know, so was Amsterdam and
(30:26):
it was a marsh swamp and so it was Venice
and you know, anyways, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Fascinating that I never even thought about it, like that
these are swamp creatures.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not aliens. You know, they're not lizard people,
et cetera. There's swamp creatures.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But their tongues and their Yeah, no disrespect to my
swamp friends, my Cajun swamp friends now in Louisiana. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You all are different, all different breed. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
First but first platoon, uh lieutenant, my my AOI see,
my first platoon was from bad Rouge and just different
cut man, just a different cut.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Those Cajun's are different folk.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Did you ever see that movie Southern Comfort when.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You're oh with Carrodine and his brother and then Booth
what's the name? God?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Uh so, you know, okay, so the Venetians build up
a sea empire, right, a minor sea empire. But what
really made the Venetians successful, uh was that initially they
had Byzantium there as the shield right on on their
(31:46):
eastern flank. And what really made him successful is they
innovated financially and you know, promisory notes, bills of lading, factoring,
you know. So they were doing very clever financial things,
probably borrowing from the concepts and ideas of the Templars,
which is maybe where some of the you know, co mingling.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Those ideas because they all had to go through that
area to go fight in the Holy Land, which I
wonder sometimes how fucking holy it is. Excuse my language,
we'll do that just fine over.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But the point is that that the Venetians, because of
the conflicts that were in the area and where they
were and the type of business they were doing, they
innovated financially. That allowed them to be very, very successful
as a you know, a I don't want to say minor,
but you know, at the time kind of a minor
sea power. Historically, they weren't a minor power that would
(32:45):
you know, their reach and everything else. It was pretty
substantial when the Ottomans took over. When the Ottomans you know,
finally breached Constantinople and began to take in, you know,
uh lock in control of the Ionian sea, et cetera,
the Venetian Empire, the Venetians were starting to spend way
(33:06):
too much money, uh just on safety, security, you know, bribes, everything.
It was just it was just too costly for them,
and the Venetian Empire started to decline. Well, shipping powers,
you know, the big ships, the first galleon like ships
weren't in Venice. They were in Holland and Portugal and Spain,
(33:28):
you know, then the other side of the Mediterranean and
then up et cetera. Well, the place that welcomed them,
that was a natural fit for them, just geographically, you know,
just everything they'd known for centuries was was Amsterdam. It
was Holland Amsterdam, and Holland was also very business oriented, right,
(33:53):
very commercial oriented.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It was mercantilist. It was already mercantilist.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
It was a natural fit, and it already had fairly
good bankers. But the Venetians brought a whole lot more
sophistication with them, and they helped charter the the Dutch
East India Company and finance and bank roll it and
greatly improve upon the success of the dust Eats India companies,
(34:17):
such that within a few years it surpassed the British
East India Company in success and capabilities.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And primarily they did that. We're able to do.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
That now as Dutch bankers, not Venetian bankers anymore, but
Dutch bankers. Well, in their intervening time, the Venetian bankers
had figured out this kill chain and had been using
it in eastern you know, the eastern parts of the
Mediterranean and in some of the principalities you know, in
(34:53):
continental Europe. So they'd already been embedding that kill chain
in parts of Nor Than Africa, the Levant and elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
So they get to.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Amsterdam in the sixteenth century and they start spreading it
now back down across the continent. The other way. There
was one one state, one group of states and islands
though that said yeah no, and that was the British Isles, right.
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Speaker 2 (36:30):
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Speaker 3 (36:34):
And the British Isles had a very substantive fleet that
was developed. The Henry the Eighth began that Elizabeth continued.
The Dutch went to war with the Spanish, with the
have Spurks for what thirty years.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The Dutch bankrolled and backed the thirty years, eighty years
and one hundred years wars on the continent. So what
happens in the sixteen hundreds is by the sixteen hundreds,
everything's so hot on the continent.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
There's wars everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
They convened the Peace of Westphilure, which is two treaties
in brook and Munsters sixteen forty five sixteen forty nine,
and they for all intents and purposes, ended feudalism and
the rule of princes which had been resisting them, and
instantiated the killed chain into everything in every state in Europe.
(37:39):
The ones that disagreed were the eastern East of Poland
and a few others, and they went to war with.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Them for for a century.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It was getting too hot on the you know, because
Holland's not very or the Netherlands isn't very defensible, and
so they needed to again, just like from Venice a
century or so before, they needed to rebase. Well, there
was these British Isles over there, and there were disloyal
(38:10):
nobles in the British Isles, and they had bought parliamentarians,
you know, the stead one influence, right, and they had
been working with the Catholic Church, even though they're supposed
supposedly enemies, but they'd been working with the Catholic Church.
They had a beef with the English because of Henry
the eighth who had kicked him out, and Henry eight
(38:33):
had kicked him out for this very reason. Henry the
Eighth's ending Catholicism the British Isles had nothing to do
with marriage.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That was ostensibly the argument.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It was to try and prevent this banking kill chain
from being embedded in the British.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Isles, in the British Kingdoms.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Unfortunately, had there not been unseasonable storms actually uh won
and forgive me, I forgot the year sixteen forty something
or sixteen twenty, sixteen thirty somewhere it went. But the
nobles did were rallying, trying to rally to his Majesty
(39:13):
King Charles the first to throw off the parliamentarians who
had been bought off. And you know, so this whole
hostile corporate takeover by the dustchyst India Company of the
British East India Company, which was culminated many years later.
But there were unseasonable reigns when the Civil War, the
(39:36):
English Civil War actually backed out kicked off the English
Civil War backed by the Dutch and the Dutch bankers
and all of that, who were looking to move take
the islands and then move their headquarters to London because
it was safer, more secure, okay, And an empire was
starting to build up under the English, and the English
had the manpower, and it had the ships, and it
(39:58):
had it was a defense will read out to et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Et cetera. It was a ripe post.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It was a ripe post, and it was you know, unfortunately,
the wars of the Roses did a serious number on
the nobility, and you know, and the war the Roses
went on for quite some time. And then Henry, his
Majesty King Henry the eighth and her Majesty Queen Elizabeth
the Second are the first and Queen Mary in between.
(40:26):
We're all batshit insane, I mean literally certifiably insane. And
so they had done a number on you know, the people,
and then the breaking of from Catholicism, and which was
done again to try and actually prevent this kill chain
from being embedded through the vector of the church, right
(40:50):
the Catholic Church. Unfortunately there's these these unseasonable reigns. The
nobles couldn't ge it to London, so the king had
to flee, you know, and then that the whole civil
war kicked off. Cromwell comes along later and the round heads,
and he thinks he's fighting, you know, the kings and
(41:13):
for parliamentarians and Puritans, et cetera. At a certain point
Cromwell realizes, holy cow, we're under invasion by the Dutch
and this is actually an attempt by a foreign power
to you know, embed you know, to take over our
nation and country. So Cromwell fought them for you know,
(41:34):
till the day he died. His son was supposed to
replace him. Unfortunately his son wasn't wasn't the man. And
down underneath the English civilization we're monarchical people. We can
say we don't like it, we don't believe in, et cetera,
but we elect a monarch every four years.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
So we can say, down with the king.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's like just voted for a king.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, man, that that's about as poignant as anything I've
heard in the last.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Eight And not only the king, but you know who
are these other you know, senators and congress. You just
voted for your duke and your baron and your you know,
it's like your governor's like your duke. It's like, come
on right down with princes. You vote for princes every
two or four years. Shut the hell anyways. Point is,
and once Cromwell's gone, there is no no cohesion. There
(42:35):
were six major lords, British lords, well it wouldn't be
called British till later, but you know English lords.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Who betrayed the crown.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Betrayed the English because they wanted to change the power structure.
And in sixteen eighty eight, William of Orange is brought
over married to his Stuart daughter, and they take the
crown back with an army directly funded by the Dutch
East India Company and the bankers, and then they take over.
(43:08):
They with their parliamentarians everybody they've been buying off. The
industrialists were all for it because the industriosts were building
up on the Thames River there, et cetera, and they
didn't want to be beholden to the king. They wanted to,
you know, they they wanted the nobles labor to work
their factories. So they had to end nobility. They had
(43:29):
to end aristocracy, They had to end any power. And
when William came over, since sixteen eighty eight, no king
that sat on the English throne has had any power.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
That was the done.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Because fumalism was over. Lands were no longer as relevant
as they were those twos.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
They were worth okay, so great.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
With the bankers in this financialist kill chain, in this
creation of artificial wealth, the financialists backed parliamentarians, merchants, industrialists
were able to generate vast fortunes, artificial wealth fortunes, and
(44:15):
the nobility couldn't keep up because everything the nobility had
to do was based They had to be based in
reality crops and lands and peoples and all of these
complex spaces that the nobility had to maintain. They couldn't
keep up with this artificial currency, financial manipulation derivatives game.
(44:39):
And I wrote another article I published yesterday about how
the Venetians become the Dutch become then the.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Bank of England have for.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Seven hundred, eight hundred years intentionally, directly, substantively worked to
remove hereditary print is everywhere, always, and to turn the
people against the princes, because the only places where this
kill chain didn't work until it did it was those
places where there was a strong prince, prince, king, duke, barring,
(45:15):
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
But there was a.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Strong centralized leader, an individual centralized leadership. That that power
is rooted, and it's it's its historical legacy, right.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
It's correct, correct, correct, and it and it met its
obligations to its people, and because of that, it had
the loyalty of its people.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
What do we call any one of these people now? Today?
We call them a dictator? Right, a tyrant? Well, who's telling.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Us that, right, the very people that have been steadily
working to remove princes as because the princes are the
only obstacle to the kill chain, and because they want
all the assets of the prince that's collateral and they
want the commons that it's the thing that's been destroyed
the worst. And Peter Buffett actually Warren Sun sent me
(46:05):
an article one day, or he actually gave me an
article one day from the New York Post, I think
from many years ago.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Twenty thirteen I think, but it was about the theft
of the commons.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Right, So that's that's.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I mean, that's almost like the theft of the middle class,
the offshoring of the middle class. Right, it's exactly what
it is, exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yes, okay, yeah, the commons today, primarily the commons today
is retirement savings. Okay, right, it's the financial commons, and
they've stolen it two thousand and eight, stole it two
thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
They're working on doing it again, yep.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Right, So in the modern era, the commons are people
shared retirement funds that are invested in the companies and
assets of the country nation.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
That's the commons. We all share it common, you know,
in common. We share these things. It's important, you know,
what is the product of our labor, you know, our
collective labor. It's our financial assets and our retirement funds.
It's our you know, collateral in our homes, et cetera.
(47:23):
We all share that in these complex ways, and this
these financialists have been steadily stealing that throughout the last
seven eight hundred years.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
That was the thing that really it was remarkable to me,
I mean, my whole childhood, and you know, and I
had some pretty good teachers growing up in the schools
I went to, and it was the whole idea of
the British Empire, and the sun never set on the
British Empire, and they were able to take this through
you know, that merchantile mindset and spread it worldwide. Right,
(47:59):
So you you figure, oh my god, they've they've got
this host, they expand it, they've grown it, They've reduced
the monarchy, if you will, down to where it's parliamentary
and control, and then they spread it through merchantilism. But
then what how come that, like go back to the
(48:19):
place that moment in particular as it relates to England
and Britain. Eventually, how does that collapse? Then? How does
the how does over extending yourself get to the point
for the collapse?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think it's easy to understand with the Venetians and
the Dutch, because you know, as power grew with the
Ottomans and that region, they couldn't defend themselves against the
mass of that army or or or you know, the
Dutch weren't I've never really been known as this warring
people or tribe, right, like somebody, Well, the early Dutch, right,
(48:57):
the Viking Dutch right.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
The Dutch East Indies Company and the Dutch under the
Dutch East Indies Company were in.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Thirty year War. No, the Dutch were a very warlike
people all over the world. Look at you.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
They actually provided the soldiers for the sailors.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
The Dutch that physically sent the armies to conquer the British.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Got it, got okay, all right. So with Britain now
them taking over Britain and they're expanding it, growing the empire,
how does Britain get to that point? I mean, obviously everybody,
not everybody, but some people recognize how overleveraged they got
in World War One and then ultimately, I mean, World
(49:43):
War Two is just catastrophics.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Okay, so great question.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Sorry, it's kind of rambling. I just so much and trying.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Very important because this is where the US is right now,
where they're trying to get it right. Go back in
memory or I don't know many people been to Europe,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
But I've been all over Europe. I've lived there for
a while. In people like it's London, it's the city
of London. It's the Brits. They've been raping and pillaging
the world. Okay, you've been to Britain.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
It's pretty poor, Yeah, pretty shabby. Where's all there?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Where's all of their oligark they're old oligark families. Right,
where's all that wealth? Where's all those stately homes, where's
all the mansions?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
All those Right, it's all gone m hm Right, it's
all gone, tenements and trash and it's it's it's in
total and absolute decay, collapsing, except you know, certain palaces
and monuments, et cetera. Right, Okay, where'd all that wealth goes?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
M hm?
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Went through the city of London to the continent of Europe. Okay,
how many times has Europe been rebuilt from basically the
ground up in the last two hundred plus years?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Three times?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Three times?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, Europe, Britain and the British peoples and the English
speaking peoples have rebuilt. The United States are at Europe
from the ground up three times? Right, right, So, okay
(51:34):
to your question, what happens look at the United States
right now, since you know, since World War One, we've
had the highest well you know, I mean, there's a
bit in the eighteen hundreds, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
As there was expansion and growth, et cetera. But we've been,
you know, ostensibly.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
The greatest GDP produced, you know, the greatest productive engine
in the world. Have you seen our infrastructure? Have you
seen our streets in our cities? Have you seen the
debt burdens we have that? Where'd all that wealth go? Well,
they certainly didn't go to England or Britain because it's
(52:11):
a forget my language, but a shithold too.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So where to go? Well, Europe looks pretty nice, Europe's
pretty beautiful. They don't.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
It's a damn thing. They haven't produced anything in eighty years. Wow,
they don't create anything. They don't produce anything. You know,
there's some German industry, et cetera. But as a continent
and a you know, as a you know, seven hundred
million people proportionally, they they produced nothing. So how do
they look so good? How are they living so well?
(52:44):
How did they have these two hundred feet foot fricking yachts?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
They haven't had empires and forever, and their empires were
never much anyways, not compared to the British. So where
did the where did the wealth of the last century
the United States go, where did the wealth of the
British Empire for the last three centuries plus go? Europe
looks pretty nice, and it looks pretty nice for the
(53:12):
third time in the last two hundred plus years, because
it was rebuilt under the Napoleonic era, rebuilt after World
War One, it was rebuilt again after World War Two.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
This just hit a whole nother court. I don't know
if you watched Tucker Carlson, but he just had a
woman on, Catherine Fritz, who used to be in the government,
in the Bush Senior government, and she ran kind of
the hud and she's got this great news site called
Solari and they do these very intense analysis of the
(53:48):
economic mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had
this really fascinating seq segment of it where she was saying,
you know when you know, and she went back to
that famous you know, September tenth, two thousand and one
(54:08):
where Rumsfeld comes out and says, yeah, we were unaccounted
for two point seven trillion dollars. And what she was
hinting at her saying is that underneath all these structures, right,
I guess those structures of the seven the steps that
you were talking about, they're funneling money out of the
(54:30):
commoners into these other areas and other places through these
different types of systems. So for me, like, as you're
saying this, I'm like, whoa, here's a person that was
in and she actually was attacked for nine years, had
to defend herself against the DJ. They tried to destroy her.
She was an investment banker and all this, and they
tried to completely destroy her. And it's like because she
(54:53):
was exposing this these hidden secrets of where the money
is going and funneling to. And so that kind of
brings us up to the modern era post World War
Two after the British host was destroyed and it coming
over to New York and can you just talk, you
know a little bit about that and what you're seeing
(55:15):
up until where we're at today and how that worked.
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Do you know what a financialist kill chain is or
how it's going to be the end of nations. Well
it's time for you to join me and my guest E. M.
Burling Game on the David Rutherford Show. As a person
that is pretty much consumed with what's taken place on
x and Instagram and all of the other you know,
(00:22):
monologues and dialogues that are taking place every single day,
and the explosion of kind of this historical relevance that's
that we're seeing emerge on the Internet, from the Martyr
Made podcast to revisionist history podcasts. So all of this,
I find myself really trying to get focused on individuals
(00:46):
that seem to have a real understanding and grasp of
the details of history, not just you know, to synthesize
it or give a glossy overview. And so as I
was preparing to go on on Dan Halloway's show Than
Citizen podcast, which I highly recommend for everybody, it's a
great show, I was doing my research. I came across
(01:09):
a gentleman named Iamburling Game and who you know, obviously
you look at his resume, you know, former Green Beret.
He's a researcher. He's an author, you know, I and
I started following him and what I quickly began to
realize was that his grasp and understanding of history and
it is not only impeccable, but it's it's absolute. It
(01:33):
provokes such a deeper sense of thinking that it sucked
me into where I was like waking up every day
and I was thinking to myself, man, I want I
want more, I want more. And then I started commenting
and next thing you know, we started chatting, and he
started feeding me a lot of his his stuff that's
on his website on imberlinggame dot com and in his writings,
(01:56):
and I really began to go, Wow, this guy has
a deeper understanding that I really want to share with
my audience. So, em Man, it is such a privilege
to have you on. I'm really excited about digging into
the Financialist kill chain article you wrote, h and so
thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You're I don't generally engage with people very often other
than a small group, but the things that you were
putting up and your commentary on it was like, Okay, well,
this is a guy that he gets it more than
certainly more than most of the soft guys, but more
than a lot of the other pundits as well.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
So well, thank you. You know. One of the I
think the difficult things that you know, I talk about
often with with my other friends is, you know, we're
there's a representation of our communities that you know, are
are putting out really interesting content and it's you know,
I think it's a lot of what what what people
want to see and want to hear, whether it's in
(03:00):
the team room stuff or it's the tactical evaluation stuff
or whatever. But you know what my favorite are or
when guys actually you know, are able to uh utilize
their experiences in the world that we come from as
as a conduit for opening their consciousness to a much
(03:22):
more what would be the right word, a much more
hard reality to the fact of of the roles we
actually play in Geode politics. I'll never forget when I
first my only combat deployment in the teams in the
(03:43):
summer O two, when I used to believe that I
was you know, the tip of the spear, and I
was out there and I was going to change the
course of history. And next you know, and I realized, well,
not only am I, you know, a pawn not a
pawn on this you know, you know, you know, chessboard
of a million infinite chess boards, playing a game I
(04:05):
don't understand with rules that aren't really the rules. But
I was actually like a piece of wint on the
felt underneath the pond. And and I, you know, finding
other people that are able to deliver that without demeaning
the significance of the communities that we come from, the
historical relevance in the work of our compatriots, who who
(04:30):
really in there in the individual way have have done
remarkable things, but are still able to take a step
back and go, ohh, there's a much bigger picture here
going on. So you're you're that guy for me?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, I think maybe perhaps because I had an unusual
path into sof if I didn't get there till I
was in my forties. I had my forty second birthday
the second day of selection.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh my gosh, the first time I went selection because
I separated my right shoulder. I had to go back
about seven months later and finally did get selected.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But I already been in tech.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I'd already been in Silicon Valley I had already be
an investment banker oriented around technology mostly. I've been in
the art business for a little bit as a chief
financial officer in Europe, so I did and you know,
in Monaco, and you know, so I'd had and then
i had a very unique mother and childhood, so.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'd had a lot of this kind of experience.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I went into soft because there was some there was
some dynamics I didn't understand that I couldn't get in
the books, that I couldn't get in the conversations with,
you know, the community I came from and.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Engaged with.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I was also looking in financial data when I
was doing analysis and due diligence for investments around the world,
and things didn't add up. It's, you know, what was
being articulated by the best financial information companies and companies,
et cetera at the time didn't match up to what
was going on in the world. And then you'd see
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even the best analysts were not able to make the
right analysis. I was like, Okay, well, something's wrong with
the baseline frontline data. I need to get out there
in the world and outside of the you know, curated
safety bubble of an investor in some part of the world,
and the only way to do that was like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And in a certain mission set.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I was like, okay, well, the only guys I know
that do that are the green Berets, you know, specifically
the dime mission, diplomacy, information, military economics, right, and then
increasingly the finance, intelligence, and law enforcement are legal as well.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And so I'd already had a bit.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Of a life before, which gave me a little bit
of a different perspective, you know, substantive.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And then I had an im mental.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Amount to learn about SOLF itself and its mission and
the people. And and then there was the same thing.
It was like, okay, well we're out doing work, but
the data doesn't match up to what we're being told.
That's right, the intelligence doesn't match up. And then I
was like, I was involved in writing some of the
intelligence reports. And then I go back into a certain
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database of databases later on a year or two years later,
and what I've written wasn't That's not what we wrote.
Somebody had edited that before it finally got accepted, right,
So then I started going, I wonder how much that's
been happening in.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
History, right, exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Wonder how And then it's like, okay, so why is
that happening? Well, I'd had some time in algorithmic high
frequency trading before I went in in late two thousand
and eight, and I would look at tartans went into
the targeting side of things with the SITH, and it
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was interesting who we were allowed to look at for
targeting and who was actually being exercised. And as you know,
that's not always kill you know, more often than not,
it's you know, if not capture, co opt in some
other way to get them working for you, right, But
it was like, who were we actually who was who
(08:28):
was the tier one guys and you know, the equivalent
tier one local assets actually exercising and why why them?
Well it short turned out a whole lot of times
that if you talk to the threat finance guys, you'd
find out why. And it had something to do with
moving some stock in some exchange, you know, some market
around the world for three or four days, so algorithmic
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trading guys could make a billion dollars or so.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yep, that is uh. Those are the things that kind
of hit you like a ton of bricks. For me,
the big one was when I left the teams, I
went to work for Blackwater right and my second gig,
well first gig was working an Azerbaijan for about ten months,
and our job was to design and implement a maritime
(09:18):
interdiction program for the cas be It And what ended
up coming out was it's essentially some type of reconnaissance
mission for the nuclear material that's moving north and south,
you know, from Russia and Iran. And then the next
one was doing training counter drug command. It was in Afghanistan,
(09:40):
which is the greatest what is it, the greatest irony
on the planet when after the second op I you know,
was mentoring on and it was the second drug lord
we tried to take down and there was nobody there, right,
And so that's for me all of a sudden, you know,
and I'm just a kid still, and I thought I
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had understand a little bit of the world. But now
all of a sudden, things really start to unfold for me.
And by the time I went to work for you know,
the agency, it was a whole different ballgame. At that time,
I was I was kind of awoken to the real
complexities of how all of this stuff is interlaced. And
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that's why I think, you know, the content that you're
putting out is so critical to help people understand the
depths of of these Maybe you know these these playbooks,
if you will, right, these these these are frameworks that
have been in place, not not for you know, strictly
(10:42):
post World War two or post Vietnam or or even
the modern you know, g WID. I mean, these are
playbooks that have been around for a long long time.
And and so what I was hoping you could do
today is just introduce, you know, that one article the
evolution of the financialist kill chain, and you could explain
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what that financialist kill chain is, and then the history
of this story, so we can get people to try
to start to think in a grander scale about how
all of this stuff is in related.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, so maybe we walked through the seven steps of
the kill chain itself. And a little background just just
to give you. In the nineties, I did corporate restructuring.
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This was after the leverage buyout days of the eighties,
where you know, junk bonds cheap, you know, the equivalent
of cheap free money at the time, you know, like
quality any Easy now built the bri equity industry.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Back in the eighties Gecko days, we got greed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Is good, right, the k k R days, the you know,
so a good number of the billionaires that we have
today were made in the leverage buyout days, right, the.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Non tech oligarch ones.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
So on the other side of that, in the nineties,
we had to fix all those problems we had because
all of it was it was one of the first
great flea scenes. Okay, all of these private companies, right,
all these assets, all these private companies slammed them together
(12:34):
in these big conglomerates, raised massive amounts of debt to
make those acquisitions, floated junk bonds to get people to
pay for it, and IPOs, all of which though you know,
eighty plus percent of the proposed value of these you know,
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break everything up, you know, bring everything together into big,
massive conglomerate companies, centralize everything. All these you know, valued
unlocking things that were sold to raise all this debt
and junk paper and to dump these onto the public
markets was all a lie. It was never intended for that.
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It was intended for the fees that were made in
the process and the wealth that people made in the
markets by taking wealth from retirement funds that were increasingly
legally allowed to invest in the stock markets. Okay, in
the nineties, we had to fix all those problems or
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many of those problems, and unfortunately we couldn't fix a
whole lot, but there was things we could do well recently.
And I don't know why I didn't think about this before,
but maybe it just wasn't part of the path as
I started to realize, well, that happens at the level
of nations, principalities, dukedoms, earldoms, baronets. You know that this
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has been going on for a very very long time,
and the West Phalian world model put in place in
the sixteen hundreds is what really instantiated this in all
of the West at every level.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So maybe we talked to kill chain.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
And keep in mind that it's both corporations, banks, you know.
So this is playing out in the business and industry
and finance, but it's also happening at the state level,
at the nation state level, okay, with the same financialists
behind it all. So the first step is infiltration and influence.
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So the financialistsmbed themselves in the country's leadership, posing as
advisors or allies.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
What the hell is the we the world economic forma.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Right stakeholder, right, It's the state stay.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, right, So.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What was Operation maxwell Epstein? Really it wasn't about kids.
That was just a mechanism. And there's all kinds of
other ways to compromise people and to get them onto it, right.
So that's the infiltration and influence. Then there's debt entrapment.
They push unsustainable loans, locking nations into repayment cycles. What
(15:17):
was the whole climate crisis thing? The whole climate you know,
you've got to invest all of this money. You know, cities, county,
states and nations had to invest, you know, or create
municipal bonds that the financialists could buy and trade so
that you could raise the debt so that you could
roll out this new infrastructure, right, and everything related and
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all kinds of other things. But that's one that comes
to my tought of my mind. In the process, what
are you doing. You're identifying assets, right, You're identifying the
assets in that country or in that company or that corporation,
because now you're on the inside. Now you've got people
on the inside. Now you have you know, you're trying
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to expand upon what you're doing. You're trying to you're
bringing more people in who get paid off a little
bit or make some money or some career or whatever
it is. But what you're really doing inside of all
of there is you're identifying assets of value to you
and you're figuring out, how can I gain access to
that asset? How can I Because what do the financialists
(16:23):
need more than anything else? They need collateral, right, because
you've got to have collateral for debt. They don't create
anything ever ever, so they have to find assets that
others have created and established and in the form of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
States, nation states. That's infrastructure, wow, And his activity.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Is that that's that's your commodities, right, that's the stuff
that comes out of the ground. That's your correct rare money.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It's also it's also revenue bases for power generation, so
it's your utilities. It's your you know, so power generation gas,
so it's also tax bass right, so San Francisco. For
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the financialists, that's an asset. That's a revenue generator, right.
So you sell bonds to build up or improve your
revenue generating utilities. Those bonds are purchased by the financiers,
they're paid off by the taxpayers. Are they're they're secured
and guaranteed by the tax base, right, what is the
(17:31):
US national debt? The US national debt is you know,
is the using the United States tax base as an
asset as a collateralized asset in the form of that
debt is collateral. It's why treasuries are the most secure
collateral in the world, the most sought after collateral in
the world.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Why because it's backed up.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
By the by the ability of the United States to
enforce people to pay tax through the violence.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
How that's that's the key, right, don't pay your taxes,
get a knocked go to jail, to jail everything. How
the pension funds integrated into.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That, right, So that's through you know, management of Black Rock,
State Street, Vanguard, et cetera. That's another mechanism whereby they
those funds in the retirement funds.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Is collateral as well.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Funds under management can be used as collateral. Now it
should be illegal, and it was until nineteen ninety four
Deregulation Act. So, but all of these things are collateralized assets.
Now there's there are some strictures, limitations on the ability
to how do you enforce the payment or the acquisition
(19:04):
of collateral, And there are some limitations on the retirement stuff,
but not much. That's that whole bailian thing, right, that great,
the great taking stuff that the gentleman whose names scares
me right now, but who's very brilliant about.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
All that articulates. That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
It's the mechanims whereby should they need to expend that collateral.
They have the mechanisms through the banks and other things,
you know, the hypothfication system, et cetera, to take that
asset right, right, so you know assets value, resource, land, industry,
tax bases, infrastructure, retirement funds, et cetera. Now there's limit,
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they don't necessarily because everything they do is on debt, right,
Everything that they do is based off of debt and
fees fees earned. There's various ways in which they get
their fees. They don't always want to cash out that asset.
That's not always in their best interest, especially if they
went after retirement funds, et cetera. There'll be a revolution, right,
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But for as long as they can use it as
many ways as they can, they're going to use that
as a collateralized asset that gains them access to other
things other countries, other states, bigger investments, big corporations. And
a prime example of this is black Rock. It's exactly
what Blackrock does with something like tens of billions on
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its own books. It manages tens of trillions, right, right, Okay,
so that's step three. The third step is and they're
constantly doing step three, which is asset identification constantly, and
that's natural resources, you know, in countries, locations, it's all
kinds of things. So anything that could be used as
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collateral for lending in debt or for the refinancing of
old debts, which is a lot of what happens, right, Okay.
Economic destabilization is step four. That's where the markets are
manipulated to deepen a crisis.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Sometimes there's pulsing of that destabilization so that they can
liquidate some assets, they can liquidate some positions, they.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Can roll over debt at a lower rate, right, all
these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But ultimately, the ability of that to compensate for the
theft of productivity, the theft of real asset value improvement
into the financialist system can't be compensated for anymore, and
so that destabilization is constantly woven in there. So because
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later they're going to have to do step seven. So
debt five. Step five's debt for asset swaps. This is
the pulsing, right, they'll pulse and someone won't be able
to pay the debt, and so the financialists will come
in with cap and they'll buy that asset at a
at a discounted rate.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Discounted rate.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Right, So asset seas in exchange for debt relief. And
this we've seen this not just in corporations, but it
meant you know, municipalities right right. Water, So there's the
The Samarians talked about hydraulic despotism thousands of years ago,
and hydraulic despotism is if you can control the flow
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of water, you control of people, right, damn it right,
damming diversion. So the hydraulic despotism beyond that also includes agriculture,
includes fuel.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
For cooking, for other things. It includes electricity.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Today blotting out the sun, blotting out the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So it's all of it collectively is called hydraulic despotism
because of the earlier But okay, if you control so
when they do their debt for.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Assets swaps, the assets.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
That they go after are the ones that support hydraulic
despotism in all of its forms, got it okay?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
And or which provide revenues.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But if you see them, and sometimes those are the
same because they're your utilities and other things.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But generally when they go for a swap, an actual
hard collateral for debt swap, they go for assets that
give not generally always give them more power. Or sometimes
they'll go after assets that they can flip at a
higher value to somebody else that they already know about.
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Or as what happened turned out to be in the
leverage buyout days of the seventies and eighties into the
early nineties, they had a lot of the companies they
went after had cash.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Hm.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Right, They had cash.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Because cash is king and that way they want that cash.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Correct. Correct.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
So it turned out what happened in the starting the
nineties is companies didn't keep very much cash anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
They just kept it in.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Convertibles, in debt, et cetera, which unfortunately made them more
even more susceptible. All right, So number six is extraction
and exploitation. Wealth is dreamed through profit extraction.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's what I'm saying. They take the asset through a
debt swap.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
In its verious complex forms, and they sell that to
somebody else, or they put it into a fund, right,
private equity fund, hedge fund, whatever, excuse me, so that
they can continue to benefit from the revenues generated by it,
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or they'll put it into they'll put it into a
trust or a funder or some kind of an account
that then they can use it as collateral to leverage
up ten to twenty eight hundred times through hypothecation, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
The whole purpose, however, is to tract as much value
out of it for as long as they can, right, okay,
all right, and then to exploit it and then final stage,
which they have to do. Okay, the final stage is
a step seven, which is abandonment and collapse. They have to,
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you know, once they've extracted everything they can, and so
you have to think of these like parasites. Yep, like
a virulent, virulent host killing parasite. Because that's exactly the
mind and the concept the book I wrote, The Eternal War,
goes into this, right.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I started that last week.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
By the way.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's all fascinating thing awesome, you know, So they at
some point they have to abandon collapse and move on. Now,
they've already moved on by that point, right, But they
have to abandon and collapse because the cost for them
to maintain the illusion of a functioning whole system becomes
too expensive. They don't want to carry it. They don't
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want to bury it as well. They can't hide what
they've done anymore, right, So they have to do a
collapse war generally, or civil war or failed narco state,
et cetera. They have to do some kind of a
collapse so that, you know, a genocide, so that you're
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so busy fighting each other and trying to survive.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That you can't look for and see what they've done.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
You can't go after him, right, You can't organize and
coordinate to go after them and get get wealth back
from them. What wealth is possible? Like not much? Because
how many people got their money back from Bernie Madoff?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
None?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Or or or from what was the young kid who
just did it again? Oh freed, yeah, yeah, bankment freed
or I mean, it's just it's it's never ending. It's
just one experience after the challenging ones. I think though,
the scary ones that I think, you know, the modern
you know, I think more and more people are starting,
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especially with people like you going out there and explaining
this in detail. But you're starting to realize that those
catastrophic events of the twentieth century were relative to this procedure. Right,
we're relative to this.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh, they weren't relative. They're the direct result.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Of the direct result. Sorry, yeah, sorry, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
So when you look back through history to where does
this start a thousand years ago? Well, maybe about seven
hundred years ago in Venice. Starts in Venice with the
bankers in Venice who invented modern banking.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And oh, by the way, no, it's not the Jews.
I'm tired of hearing the whole it's the Jews.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It seems like such a sloppy argument nowadays, it's.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
It's but I mean, they got their people and they're
doing their thing, and I get it, so's everybody else.
But to think that, you know, purely European peoples haven't
been strewing one another over in absolutely ludicrous, least clever
ways for thousands of years before we ever even heard
of a thing called the Jew is like stupid as hell. Yeah, right, absolutely,
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the codification of these things go back earlier, right, because
you can hear about it in Egyptian histories and Sumerian
histories and Babylonian histories, and in you know, the you
know who did I think the Jesus guy threw over
the tables of the money changers and the temple and
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yep. So this stuff goes back way further.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
But when it comes to Europe, and Europe specifically in
the post Roman Empire time, it really this never ending
constant cycle of you know, seven step process really took
off in the thirteenth century in Venice and then it's
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just gone from there to Amsterdam, from Amsterdam to London,
from London to Wall Street. They tried to take it
to China next China said no, you were not doing this,
and so what's the next step?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Right? Where do they go from here?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Can you can you drill down on the jump from
Venice to Amsterdam, because I you know what you think
about I mean, obviously, every time you hear about the
Venetian power, right, you think about the meta cheese, You
think about those people that were able to consolidate post
Roman collapse and in power into through the shipping industries.
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But from Venice to Amsterdam seems like a weird jump
can you can you explain that a little bit to
people like I. At first, like when I was reading,
I was like, whoa, that that's weird. But when you
started getting into the East India Trading Company, so I
was like, oh that makes sense now.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So one, they're both swamps. So you know, they keep
talking about draining the swamp in d C. I mean
it's the same people. It's like, wow, maybe there is
something to the actual swamp and it goes back way
before the fact that the DC itself was an actual
literal swamp, right, Like you know, so was Amsterdam and
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it was a marsh swamp and so it was Venice
and you know, anyways, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Fascinating that I never even thought about it, like that
these are swamp creatures.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not aliens. You know, they're not lizard people,
et cetera. There's swamp creatures.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But their tongues and their Yeah, no disrespect to my
swamp friends, my Cajun swamp friends now in Louisiana. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You all are different, all different breed. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
First but first platoon, uh lieutenant, my my AOI see,
my first platoon was from bad Rouge and just different
cut man, just a different cut.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Those Cajun's are different folk.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Did you ever see that movie Southern Comfort when.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You're oh with Carrodine and his brother and then Booth
what's the name? God?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I love that movie.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Uh so, you know, okay, so the Venetians build up
a sea empire, right, a minor sea empire. But what
really made the Venetians successful, uh was that initially they
had Byzantium there as the shield right on on their
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eastern flank. And what really made him successful is they
innovated financially and you know, promisory notes, bills of lading, factoring,
you know. So they were doing very clever financial things,
probably borrowing from the concepts and ideas of the Templars,
which is maybe where some of the you know, co mingling.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Those ideas because they all had to go through that
area to go fight in the Holy Land, which I
wonder sometimes how fucking holy it is. Excuse my language,
we'll do that just fine over.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
But the point is that that the Venetians, because of
the conflicts that were in the area and where they
were and the type of business they were doing, they
innovated financially. That allowed them to be very, very successful
as a you know, a I don't want to say minor,
but you know, at the time kind of a minor
sea power. Historically, they weren't a minor power that would
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you know, their reach and everything else. It was pretty
substantial when the Ottomans took over. When the Ottomans you know,
finally breached Constantinople and began to take in, you know,
uh lock in control of the Ionian sea, et cetera,
the Venetian Empire, the Venetians were starting to spend way
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too much money, uh just on safety, security, you know, bribes, everything.
It was just it was just too costly for them,
and the Venetian Empire started to decline. Well, shipping powers,
you know, the big ships, the first galleon like ships
weren't in Venice. They were in Holland and Portugal and Spain,
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you know, then the other side of the Mediterranean and
then up et cetera. Well, the place that welcomed them,
that was a natural fit for them, just geographically, you know,
just everything they'd known for centuries was was Amsterdam. It
was Holland Amsterdam, and Holland was also very business oriented, right,
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very commercial oriented.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
It was mercantilist. It was already mercantilist.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
It was a natural fit, and it already had fairly
good bankers. But the Venetians brought a whole lot more
sophistication with them, and they helped charter the the Dutch
East India Company and finance and bank roll it and
greatly improve upon the success of the dust Eats India companies,
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such that within a few years it surpassed the British
East India Company in success and capabilities.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And primarily they did that. We're able to do.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
That now as Dutch bankers, not Venetian bankers anymore, but
Dutch bankers. Well, in their intervening time, the Venetian bankers
had figured out this kill chain and had been using
it in eastern you know, the eastern parts of the
Mediterranean and in some of the principalities you know, in
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continental Europe. So they'd already been embedding that kill chain
in parts of Nor Than Africa, the Levant and elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
So they get to.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Amsterdam in the sixteenth century and they start spreading it
now back down across the continent. The other way. There
was one one state, one group of states and islands
though that said yeah no, and that was the British Isles, right.
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Speaker 2 (36:30):
Who yuh right?
Speaker 3 (36:34):
And the British Isles had a very substantive fleet that
was developed. The Henry the Eighth began that Elizabeth continued.
The Dutch went to war with the Spanish, with the
have Spurks for what thirty years.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The Dutch bankrolled and backed the thirty years, eighty years
and one hundred years wars on the continent. So what
happens in the sixteen hundreds is by the sixteen hundreds,
everything's so hot on the continent.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
There's wars everywhere.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
They convened the Peace of Westphilure, which is two treaties
in brook and Munsters sixteen forty five sixteen forty nine,
and they for all intents and purposes, ended feudalism and
the rule of princes which had been resisting them, and
instantiated the killed chain into everything in every state in Europe.
(37:39):
The ones that disagreed were the eastern East of Poland
and a few others, and they went to war with.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Them for for a century.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
It was getting too hot on the you know, because
Holland's not very or the Netherlands isn't very defensible, and
so they needed to again, just like from Venice a
century or so before, they needed to rebase. Well, there
was these British Isles over there, and there were disloyal
(38:10):
nobles in the British Isles, and they had bought parliamentarians,
you know, the stead one influence, right, and they had
been working with the Catholic Church, even though they're supposed
supposedly enemies, but they'd been working with the Catholic Church.
They had a beef with the English because of Henry
the eighth who had kicked him out, and Henry eight
(38:33):
had kicked him out for this very reason. Henry the
Eighth's ending Catholicism the British Isles had nothing to do
with marriage.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That was ostensibly the argument.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
It was to try and prevent this banking kill chain
from being embedded in the British.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Isles, in the British Kingdoms.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Unfortunately, had there not been unseasonable storms actually uh won
and forgive me, I forgot the year sixteen forty something
or sixteen twenty, sixteen thirty somewhere it went. But the
nobles did were rallying, trying to rally to his Majesty
(39:13):
King Charles the first to throw off the parliamentarians who
had been bought off. And you know, so this whole
hostile corporate takeover by the dustchyst India Company of the
British East India Company, which was culminated many years later.
But there were unseasonable reigns when the Civil War, the
(39:36):
English Civil War actually backed out kicked off the English
Civil War backed by the Dutch and the Dutch bankers
and all of that, who were looking to move take
the islands and then move their headquarters to London because
it was safer, more secure, okay, And an empire was
starting to build up under the English, and the English
had the manpower, and it had the ships, and it
(39:58):
had it was a defense will read out to et cetera.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Et cetera. It was a ripe post.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It was a ripe post, and it was you know, unfortunately,
the wars of the Roses did a serious number on
the nobility, and you know, and the war the Roses
went on for quite some time. And then Henry, his
Majesty King Henry the eighth and her Majesty Queen Elizabeth
the Second are the first and Queen Mary in between.
(40:26):
We're all batshit insane, I mean literally certifiably insane. And
so they had done a number on you know, the people,
and then the breaking of from Catholicism, and which was
done again to try and actually prevent this kill chain
from being embedded through the vector of the church, right
(40:50):
the Catholic Church. Unfortunately there's these these unseasonable reigns. The
nobles couldn't ge it to London, so the king had
to flee, you know, and then that the whole civil
war kicked off. Cromwell comes along later and the round heads,
and he thinks he's fighting, you know, the kings and
(41:13):
for parliamentarians and Puritans, et cetera. At a certain point
Cromwell realizes, holy cow, we're under invasion by the Dutch
and this is actually an attempt by a foreign power
to you know, embed you know, to take over our
nation and country. So Cromwell fought them for you know,
(41:34):
till the day he died. His son was supposed to
replace him. Unfortunately his son wasn't wasn't the man. And
down underneath the English civilization we're monarchical people. We can
say we don't like it, we don't believe in, et cetera,
but we elect a monarch every four years.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
So we can say, down with the king.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
It's like just voted for a king.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, man, that that's about as poignant as anything I've
heard in the last.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Eight And not only the king, but you know who
are these other you know, senators and congress. You just
voted for your duke and your baron and your you know,
it's like your governor's like your duke. It's like, come
on right down with princes. You vote for princes every
two or four years. Shut the hell anyways. Point is,
and once Cromwell's gone, there is no no cohesion. There
(42:35):
were six major lords, British lords, well it wouldn't be
called British till later, but you know English lords.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Who betrayed the crown.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Betrayed the English because they wanted to change the power structure.
And in sixteen eighty eight, William of Orange is brought
over married to his Stuart daughter, and they take the
crown back with an army directly funded by the Dutch
East India Company and the bankers, and then they take over.
(43:08):
They with their parliamentarians everybody they've been buying off. The
industrialists were all for it because the industriosts were building
up on the Thames River there, et cetera, and they
didn't want to be beholden to the king. They wanted to,
you know, they they wanted the nobles labor to work
their factories. So they had to end nobility. They had
(43:29):
to end aristocracy, They had to end any power. And
when William came over, since sixteen eighty eight, no king
that sat on the English throne has had any power.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
That was the done.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Because fumalism was over. Lands were no longer as relevant
as they were those twos.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
They were worth okay, so great.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
With the bankers in this financialist kill chain, in this
creation of artificial wealth, the financialists backed parliamentarians, merchants, industrialists
were able to generate vast fortunes, artificial wealth fortunes, and
(44:15):
the nobility couldn't keep up because everything the nobility had
to do was based They had to be based in
reality crops and lands and peoples and all of these
complex spaces that the nobility had to maintain. They couldn't
keep up with this artificial currency, financial manipulation derivatives game.
(44:39):
And I wrote another article I published yesterday about how
the Venetians become the Dutch become then the.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Bank of England have for.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Seven hundred, eight hundred years intentionally, directly, substantively worked to
remove hereditary print is everywhere, always, and to turn the
people against the princes, because the only places where this
kill chain didn't work until it did it was those
places where there was a strong prince, prince, king, duke, barring,
(45:15):
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
But there was a.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
Strong centralized leader, an individual centralized leadership. That that power
is rooted, and it's it's its historical legacy, right.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
It's correct, correct, correct, and it and it met its
obligations to its people, and because of that, it had
the loyalty of its people.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
What do we call any one of these people now? Today?
We call them a dictator? Right, a tyrant? Well, who's telling.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Us that, right, the very people that have been steadily
working to remove princes as because the princes are the
only obstacle to the kill chain, and because they want
all the assets of the prince that's collateral and they
want the commons that it's the thing that's been destroyed
the worst. And Peter Buffett actually Warren Sun sent me
(46:05):
an article one day, or he actually gave me an
article one day from the New York Post, I think
from many years ago.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Twenty thirteen I think, but it was about the theft
of the commons.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Right, So that's that's.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
I mean, that's almost like the theft of the middle class,
the offshoring of the middle class. Right, it's exactly what
it is, exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Yes, okay, yeah, the commons today, primarily the commons today
is retirement savings. Okay, right, it's the financial commons, and
they've stolen it two thousand and eight, stole it two
thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
They're working on doing it again, yep.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Right, So in the modern era, the commons are people
shared retirement funds that are invested in the companies and
assets of the country nation.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
That's the commons. We all share it common, you know,
in common. We share these things. It's important, you know,
what is the product of our labor, you know, our
collective labor. It's our financial assets and our retirement funds.
It's our you know, collateral in our homes, et cetera.
(47:23):
We all share that in these complex ways, and this
these financialists have been steadily stealing that throughout the last
seven eight hundred years.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
That was the thing that really it was remarkable to me,
I mean, my whole childhood, and you know, and I
had some pretty good teachers growing up in the schools
I went to, and it was the whole idea of
the British Empire, and the sun never set on the
British Empire, and they were able to take this through
you know, that merchantile mindset and spread it worldwide. Right,
(47:59):
So you you figure, oh my god, they've they've got
this host, they expand it, they've grown it, They've reduced
the monarchy, if you will, down to where it's parliamentary
and control, and then they spread it through merchantilism. But
then what how come that, like go back to the
(48:19):
place that moment in particular as it relates to England
and Britain. Eventually, how does that collapse? Then? How does
the how does over extending yourself get to the point
for the collapse?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I think it's easy to understand with the Venetians and
the Dutch, because you know, as power grew with the
Ottomans and that region, they couldn't defend themselves against the
mass of that army or or or you know, the
Dutch weren't I've never really been known as this warring
people or tribe, right, like somebody, Well, the early Dutch, right,
(48:57):
the Viking Dutch right.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
The Dutch East Indies Company and the Dutch under the
Dutch East Indies Company were in.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Thirty year War. No, the Dutch were a very warlike
people all over the world. Look at you.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
They actually provided the soldiers for the sailors.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
The Dutch that physically sent the armies to conquer the British.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Got it, got okay, all right. So with Britain now
them taking over Britain and they're expanding it, growing the empire,
how does Britain get to that point? I mean, obviously everybody,
not everybody, but some people recognize how overleveraged they got
in World War One and then ultimately, I mean, World
(49:43):
War Two is just catastrophics.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Okay, so great question.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Sorry, it's kind of rambling. I just so much and trying.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Very important because this is where the US is right now,
where they're trying to get it right. Go back in
memory or I don't know many people been to Europe,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
But I've been all over Europe. I've lived there for
a while. In people like it's London, it's the city
of London. It's the Brits. They've been raping and pillaging
the world. Okay, you've been to Britain.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
It's pretty poor, Yeah, pretty shabby. Where's all there?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Where's all of their oligark they're old oligark families. Right,
where's all that wealth? Where's all those stately homes, where's
all the mansions?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
All those Right, it's all gone m hm Right, it's
all gone, tenements and trash and it's it's it's in
total and absolute decay, collapsing, except you know, certain palaces
and monuments, et cetera. Right, Okay, where'd all that wealth goes?
Speaker 1 (50:59):
M hm?
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Went through the city of London to the continent of Europe. Okay,
how many times has Europe been rebuilt from basically the
ground up in the last two hundred plus years?
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Three times?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Three times?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, Europe, Britain and the British peoples and the English
speaking peoples have rebuilt. The United States are at Europe
from the ground up three times? Right, right, So, okay
(51:34):
to your question, what happens look at the United States
right now, since you know, since World War One, we've
had the highest well you know, I mean, there's a
bit in the eighteen hundreds, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
As there was expansion and growth, et cetera. But we've been,
you know, ostensibly.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
The greatest GDP produced, you know, the greatest productive engine
in the world. Have you seen our infrastructure? Have you
seen our streets in our cities? Have you seen the
debt burdens we have that? Where'd all that wealth go? Well,
they certainly didn't go to England or Britain because it's
(52:11):
a forget my language, but a shithold too.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
So where to go? Well, Europe looks pretty nice, Europe's
pretty beautiful. They don't.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
It's a damn thing. They haven't produced anything in eighty years. Wow,
they don't create anything. They don't produce anything. You know,
there's some German industry, et cetera. But as a continent
and a you know, as a you know, seven hundred
million people proportionally, they they produced nothing. So how do
they look so good? How are they living so well?
(52:44):
How did they have these two hundred feet foot fricking yachts?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
Right right?
Speaker 3 (52:49):
They haven't had empires and forever, and their empires were
never much anyways, not compared to the British. So where
did the where did the wealth of the last century
the United States go, where did the wealth of the
British Empire for the last three centuries plus go? Europe
looks pretty nice, and it looks pretty nice for the
(53:12):
third time in the last two hundred plus years, because
it was rebuilt under the Napoleonic era, rebuilt after World
War One, it was rebuilt again after World War Two.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
This just hit a whole nother court. I don't know
if you watched Tucker Carlson, but he just had a
woman on, Catherine Fritz, who used to be in the government,
in the Bush Senior government, and she ran kind of
the hud and she's got this great news site called
Solari and they do these very intense analysis of the
(53:48):
economic mismanagement or redirection of economies. And she actually had
this really fascinating seq segment of it where she was saying,
you know when you know, and she went back to
that famous you know, September tenth, two thousand and one
(54:08):
where Rumsfeld comes out and says, yeah, we were unaccounted
for two point seven trillion dollars. And what she was
hinting at her saying is that underneath all these structures, right,
I guess those structures of the seven the steps that
you were talking about, they're funneling money out of the
(54:30):
commoners into these other areas and other places through these
different types of systems. So for me, like, as you're
saying this, I'm like, whoa, here's a person that was
in and she actually was attacked for nine years, had
to defend herself against the DJ. They tried to destroy her.
She was an investment banker and all this, and they
tried to completely destroy her. And it's like because she
(54:53):
was exposing this these hidden secrets of where the money
is going and funneling to. And so that kind of
brings us up to the modern era post World War
Two after the British host was destroyed and it coming
over to New York and can you just talk, you
know a little bit about that and what you're seeing
(55:15):
up until where we're at today and how that worked.
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