July 7, 2025 • 56 mins
📍What happens when a coach cares more about eternal purpose than just wins and losses? In this inspiring and emotional episode, David Rutherford sits down with legendary Wheaton College football coach Mike Swider, a man who led his team to 9 championships and transformed countless lives through servant leadership, unwavering faith, and deep integrity.
Coach Swider lays out his five core principles that shaped his program and his players:
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Fear God
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Trust God
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Seek God First
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Reject the Philosophy of the World
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Never Forget the Cost of Your Salvation
With stories of hardship, victory, and legacy, this episode challenges us to reflect on who we are, what we believe, and how we lead. This isn’t just a conversation about coaching—it’s a spiritual blueprint for every man who wants to lead with truth, courage, and faith.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - The Role of Men, Fathers & Coaches
13:10 - The Leadership Quality You Must Have
19:36 - Why We Must Fear God, Not Men
26:59 - Trusting In God, Even When It’s Hard
34:54 - Seek Ye First…Putting God At The Center Of Everything
43:33 - Reject The Ways Of The World
47:49 - When Your Faith Is Shaken, Remember This
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Since the age of four, I have been involved in
organized sports and dedicated the whole first half of my
life pursuing a destiny of being an elite athlete. And
I had literally hundreds of coaches come across my path
and that quest, and since I was in the Sealed Teams,
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I had dozens and dozens of instructors that had profound
impact on me.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And then even being out in my.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Professional life and all the different sports teams and coaches
I've worked with myself, but I have never met an
individual that has had such a long lasting and deep
and profound impact on the.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Men that he coached.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I've had the incredible opportunity to meet and work as
colleagues with twenty plus of his former players, and it's
them that introduced me to the idea of what it
really meant to be a servant coach, to be somebody
that utilizes God as a primary force of influence to
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shape young men into becoming the men they hope to become.
And so ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. It is
an unbelievable privilege and pleasure to welcome coach Mike Swider,
former head football coach of twenty three years at Wheaton College,
a D three school in Wheaton, Illinois, with nine CCIW championships,
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seven Division three tournament appearances, and seven CCIW Coach of
the Year awards. So, without further ado, Coach, it is
an incredible honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's great to be here, David, it really is.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's you know, you call it a privilege to have
an opportunity to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
With me and share, and I the feeling is mutual.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your legacy and your history and your reputation precedes you
as well. And like iron sharpens iron, so does one
man sharpen another. And that's why it's critical that men
surround themselves by like minded men who are common goals
and common ambitions and common values.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And you know, we have a.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
World that can beat us down, in a world that
can just through social media and everything else, can just
absolutely inundate you with all kinds of ideas, and your
self esteem can get just get beat up. But when
you know for a fact that your identity is in
Christ and that can't change no matter what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You're a son or child of God and.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That doesn't change, and then you also surround yourself by
by men that like mind and that can challenge you
and you look you in the eye and say how
you doing? No, no, really know how you do it?
And and and have those men in your life, it's
it's great.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And so I if I can knew.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You better, I would count you as one of those
for me if we were close by with the greater proximity.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, I'll tell you what, Now that we're connected, there's
a definitive.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Chance that in my future.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Endeavors, if I should be af forwarded the opportunity of
working with some great teams again in the future, I'm
going to call you up for sure and ask for
advice on how to improve it is what I do
for a living.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I there's a YouTube video that Justin Zeller, one of
your players who's also just a phenomenal human being, sent
me a few months ago, and I watched this and
it's a speech that you gave at Wheaton Chapel and
it was the speech is titled Walk with God. And
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in that speech you listed five ideas that really you
have implemented to try and educate your players onto the
deeper meaning of what it meant to be a servant, right,
not only just a servant to their fellow players or
a servant to the coaches, a servant to their community
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at the school or the school itself, but what it
meant to build the foundation so they could go on
to serve at.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
A higher level.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Can you describe that speech and where it came from,
and then maybe go through those five things and how
it can apply to young players or young better for
better purposes, young coaches out there that are trying to
figure out what their philosophy looks like and what's the
best way to impact their players.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, let me just begin with two things, and then
we can actually run through that those five expectations that
have to be involved and have to be part of
your daily life. I mentioned this to you when we
first spoke David, that he's the here's the importance of
coaches as we speak to coaches, men, even fathers. I
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was raised in a home where there wasn't a day
in my life that my father didn't reaffirm to me
that God loved me, that I was not an accident,
that I was created by a sovereign God for a purpose,
and that that God loved me and there was nothing
I can do to lose that love, and there was
nothing I could do to earn that love, and that
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my life was purposeful and that that purpose was going
to be executed by him.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
My dad told me that every day.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I wasn't an accident. My second thing, my dad told
me every day. My dad was a World War two
bet I told you that earlier.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So he was, you know, part of the.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Greatest generation, grew up there in the depression, that had
a gun in his hand at eighteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So second thing he told me every day was that
he loved me. God loved me.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And there's nothing I could ever do to keep my
father from loving me. And so every day of my
life I would come home fifteen sixteen, come home from
high school, whatever it was. You know, your image could
get beat up. Good days, bad days, whatever it was.
And I walked through a home where I knew, beyond
a shadow of a doubt, that the maker of this universe,
the god to put the stars in the sky, that
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created me for a purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And I wasn't an accident.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
And then I walked into home and my father told
me every day he loved me. And the third thing
my dad told me is that I love your mother.
And there was never a day in a life in
my life. Then my father and mother didn't sleep in
the same bed until the day my dad died.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He died of cancer. He slept in the same bed.
And so I was three for three.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
David, I have no excuses for my life. I was
a young man that grew up and you know, I
was growing up in the sixties. It was crazy now,
it's crazy then too, But I and I walked into
a home where my identity wasn't wrapped around what happened
to me all day long. My identity was wrapped around
that a God who loved me, a dad who loved me,
and a dad who loved my mom, and those things
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weren't changing. Here's the problem, David, and to all the
coaches everybody out there, most kids today are zero for three.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Most kids today are growing up in homes, and they're
growing up in homes. We're talking to men. They're growing
up in homes where nobody's telling them. The father's not
telling them God loves them, the father's probably not even
in a fifty percent of the time, the file is
not in the home and the file's not a loving mom,
and then we expect that young man to go out
there and find his identity and what and they're finding
the identity that every single thing that hits them in
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the mouth throughout the day.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I don't have any excuses, and so here's.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
The reason I preface, and I start by saying that
is coaches. There's a problem, and that's where you step in.
That's why I coached. And that's the first thing you
got to understand is why are you coaching? Is this
your ego? Is this you want to set records, you
want to have something to boast about, a trophy, whatever,
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Why are you coaching? And if you're not coaching to
address a problem that's in our culture and to inspire
young men, then you're coaching for the wrong reason. I'm
not saying winning is not important. Trust me, nobody wants
to win more and I do. I'm telling you right
now I will lay in a hot tire roof longer.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Than you to win. But that's not the first reason
I coach.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
The first reason I coach is to inspire young men
and ultimately to love God, which we can talk about
some today. That's why I'm coaching. So all the coaches
out there, that's why you do what you do. And
if that's not your priority, it'll never show up in
your coaching. It's not going to show up. It's only
going to show up if that's your priority. And it
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says in It says in Matthew six thirty three. But
seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness,
and then all these things will be added under you.
Here's the problem. We've chased all those things first and
never find the Kingdom of God and his righteousness. When
I speak to business man, it's not bad to chase money.
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I all those guys at First Trust. Jim Bowen was
a teammate of mine. I said, if you're in the
business I was in the business world, I'd be kicking
your button. I'd be making a million more than you are.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I would.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I told that to zeller Man, You'd be number two
and I'd be number one. But that's that can't be
your first goal in football and coaches. Your first goal
should be win, win, win, win win, Because here's what happens.
You will prostitute yourself for that dollar, and you will
prostitute yourself for that w yeah, and you will never
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find the Kingdom of God, and you will never influence
people for Christ.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So it's a priority thing. That's the first thing.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I can sit here and chat all day long about
these things that got to be instilled. But if these
things that you're instilling are coming second, third, and fourth
on your priority list, the kid's going to figure it
out and be going to figure it out. It's an afterthought.
It's an absolute afterthought. And so that would be the
first thing that I would say before I get into
these things. And then the other thing I would say, David,
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and you you understand this is better than anybody does.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If you don't live these things, you have no shot.
You have no shot in tech. I call it integrity.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Integrity is the absolute supreme quality of any leader. Dwight
Eisenhower said it. I think Dwight Eisenhower is the greatest
leader of all time. And you can argue with me,
but you're gonna lose that argument.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
West Point grad rose to its five star general and
became president.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know what anybody else has done?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That no means he you know what he said, Integrity
is a number one quality of a.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Leader, and here's what integrity is.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What you say and how you live sync up what
you represent the model of First Trust or business or
Wheaton College of your family being a believer here are
here's the model, and here's.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What this stuff stands for. Here's how I live.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
If those two don't sync up, it's you're not gonna
teach your players anything. They're gonna see through you in
a second. You have to live it before you say it.
You've got to live it and they've got to see
it in your life. First, there's got to be authenticity, David.
Without authenticity, your words, they are absolutely they rendered meaningless.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And so that's what.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I would say to these coach, the coaches that are
listening in men and who's ever out there, is that
your integrity?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you do you? And here's another way you can
explain it. You're in a business world. Men of integrity
regularly audit the state of their soul. Wow, first trust.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
First Trust doesn't audit every year, maybe two a year.
Money in money out right, here's what we're bringing in.
Here's how it's being spent. Well, a lot more's coming in.
I don't see it being spent or more's beings.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And you know, they got to They gotta line them up.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you don't line them up regularly, something gets out
of whack and then you fall down. You gotta audit
the state of your soul. Here's what it means, the
coaches and men. Here's what I say. Here's how I live.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Does it add up?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Here's my vows to my wife. Here's how I'm living.
Does it add up? I represented Wheaton Football. Here are
our core values.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Here's my life. Does it add up?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow? I claim Christ is my savior. These are the values.
Here's what I say. What do I talk about today?
Here's how I live? Does it add up? If it
done that up, you have no shot. We can sit
here and talk all you want to, these coaches out here,
but if.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You're not living this stuff, you ain't gonna infhone anybody,
no aboudy at all, not a person in your life.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And so you know, I would preface everything we talk
about by those two things, that you've got to prioritize
these things, and you've got to live these things because
your life, your life will teach your kids more than
any word that comes out of your mouth, you know,
And it set all those guys I mean they that's
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what they said. Coach man, you lived it. You know
it can come to just training demands. I was, I
would in the weight room, I was running, I was
doing everything with them. Man, you know it's I couldn't
do as much as them at the end, but I
was there. I got I got five art official joints.
Now to specify.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I love the legendary story. What's the one about you, uh.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Running the what was it?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The mile?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You had to do the bile and you did three
of them.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Back about run, we had had a twelve minute Yeah,
a twelve minute run.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I first came in.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
When I first came in, I made all these demands
and I said, I got it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There's only one thing to make these guys do, and
they're going to see someone.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So we had to run a twelve minute run based
on your height, your weight, your position.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
The big guys had run it, obviously not as far
as the little guys anyhow, So I said, this is
what we're doing. And I wasn't the head coach at
the time. I said, but this is what we're doing.
And maybe you know, this kind of aerobic capacity doesn't
equate to a football player, but you know what, I
want to find out who's got it down inside.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I want to find.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Who's going to do something because I said, you got
to do it, and who's going to fight through it.
This is gonna tell me who you are and if
you're gonna be able to handle everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm in a demand. So I said, here's what I'm
gonna do. We did it.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
We did a twelve minute run for three different position groups,
and then within a minute we did another one for
the next We would get it done in thirty six minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I said, I'm gonna run every single one.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'm going to run the first one with the first group,
I'm gonna run the second one the second group. I'm
gonna run a third one with a third group, and
I'm gonna make the standard of the fastest group on
every group. And so I went back to back to
back and set the standard on every single group.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, all of a sudden, you know what happens. When
I challenged him, the runner sprints the next day. You
know what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They believe me, Yes they did.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You can't manufacture that stuff, man, you can't. You who
you are, it's everything you know. People don't follow titles.
They follow leaders. People that follow title, you know what
they followed, They follow a life, that's what they follow.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They don't. And if your life.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And your words don't sync up what we share today
on your show, David, we can talk about anything, it's
not going to matter. So I had to start with that.
And then the third thing I wanted just to mention
before we really jump into this, and is what I
had shared with you earlier too. You know, we got
a as believers, we got under it. Really it's anybody,
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but as believers, we know we are attorney done. We
have two days in life guarantee. We got today, David,
I'm on your show. We got that guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
God gave us that. He's like, we got today.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And the only other guarantee we got, David, is the
day we see God. Those are the only two days
we got guaranteed. Here's the problem. We live in a
world as if that day is they were going to come.
I'm gonna tell you right now, it could come tomorrow.
Mike Leach, coach Mississippi State's coaching in a practice before
a bowl game, and four o'clock that afternoon, he passes
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away from a massive heart attack.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
We all know stories about people woke up that day
and it was their last day. If we all lived
life in light of the day we see God, every
single person would live differently. Nobody would worry about peer pressure,
nobody worry about anything. We would all live differently. And
what we're going to talk about today would always be priorities.
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Everything you would it would reset your priorities in a second,
It would reset everything.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And and but we don't do that, and we forget that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And so I think if we we we adjust everything.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'm going to say based on those three things.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You know, setting your priorities, make sure your priorities are right,
live it, and remember that you could see God tomorrow
and you're to stand before him on the brink of eternity.
I think you'd be much more apt to make these
a priority as you coach, rather than winning and losing.
The wnting and losing will happen. I'm telling you, I
can get on a board and I can diagram stuff
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with the best of them. I'll I can go x
and os with you to the Cole's come home. That's
That's not what Justin Zeller and Chris Bosson. Remember right now,
do they David, No, I don't remember that now.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You remember everything.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Else once they didn't have to compromise winning, and you
don't have to compromise making money in the business world. People,
you can make your money. But I'm gonna tell you
right now, if you don't put God first, man, the
rest of your life will get twisted up. So anyhow,
just a little preface to some of these things.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I take that's the whole show. Right there, We're done.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We could probably do ten shows.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well as this as it's involving.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
All I'm taking to my head is, man, I'm gonna
get him on at least on the phone with me
once once every month, just to get that motivation that
get them on the show, to motivate my audience, you know,
once a quarter.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So don't worry, that's gonna happen, coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So yeah, here, here's here's why we'll start this chat
that I had.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
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Speaker 4 (19:36):
First, I have a statement that you never rise to
the occasion. You always default to your level of preparation.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I mean if a Navy seal doesn't know it, nobody
knows it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We live and die by it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Paron me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We live and die by that motto.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, you have to you know alla rise that. No,
you default all your preparation. Nobody's going to ever perform
and do some of these heroic things in any walk
of life, whether it's a fireman, a football player, a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
In the army, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Now's ever going to rise to this this level of
competency and a performance just because the moment inspired them.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Because we're all gonna start.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Squeezing something really tight and we're gonna fail, but we
we just default to what we've been repeatedly done for years.
Prior problem is people get bored with repetition, They get
bored with all this stuff, and then when the moment comes,
it's it's not it's not a natural instinct. And if
you got to think about every single thing you're cooked,
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you are absolutely cooked. So I would say, these are
things that you know, you've got to regularly, you know,
incorporate into your life and and and core values. And
they come by reading scripture. I said, you know youve
got to. If you're not reading the scripture every day,
and you're not praying every day, and you're not church
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on Sunday, and you're not in a small group, and
you're not involving acts of service, you're you're never gonna
be close to God and you're never going to be
prepared for anything. And so I would challenge them with that.
And so let's start with the first. The first one
that I think is absolutely critical. If in that moment
of truth in your life, that moment of truth, you're
you know, your your marriage with you, you're on Friday night,
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you're on a business trip, that moment of truth comes.
Are you going to walk with God when you could
compromise yourself with a deal that's not square? Are you
going to walk with God when you're going to lose
your patience? It's who do you fear? That's principal number one.
Who do you fear? Do you fear God? Or do
you fear man? And I can tell who you fear
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within ten minutes, within ten minutes, who you fear, because
you know what, when the next guy gets in front
of you, you fear him. And when you don't fear God,
you become this amoeba who just forms to his environment.
Whoever I'm around, whatever group I'm around, I'm this politician
who speaking to the veterans of foreign wars, to the
team stirs, to liberal Hollywood, to all and you know
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what talk changes?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Who are you? You know what I want?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I want?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
The guy says the same dagone thing.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Everybody stands in front of that guy, and when comes
your faith, that guy is the guy that fears God.
Because you base whether you're a politician, you base your
life and your decisions on what does God think? I
could see him tomorrow? What would God want me to do?
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What would you want me to say? I would get
in front of a group of people when I speak,
and one of the things I always say to start with,
I say, listen, I hope all you end up liking
me when I'm done talking here, But to be honest
with you, with all due respect, even in this conversation
with me, I don't care whether you like me or not.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I hope you do, but I don't. I'm not saying
this so you like me. I could see God tomorrow.
And you know what, guy, I want God to say
to me. Man, oh Man, you represented me well on
David's show, A New Central Standard Time.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's what I want to hear. You said.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I don't want to be said. One hundred different people
liked me. No, I hope they do, but if they don't,
it's irrelevant. And so that's the fear of God.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Who do you fear?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Who are you all to me? Accountable to? Who influences
your choices? You know, it's called peer pressure. For we
tell our junior high kids, your junior high son, don't
worry about people think, And the fifty year old is
worry about someone thinks in the marketplace. He's worried about
what someone thinks in the in the political realm. You know,
it's it's lunacy. We demand from our junior high kids
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to not respond to peer pressure, and.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
We live a life based on peer pressure. It's sad.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's sad. It's absolutely sad. And so what I would
always tell my kids growing up that the fear of
the Lord is the beginning of wisdom at Psalm one
eleven ten.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's the beginning of wisdom.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And don't, like I said, don't ever base your decisions
on public opinion, based on conviction, based on the fear
of God. And when you fear God and when you
regularly ought at the state of your soul.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm gonna tell you something. You're going to live a life.
You know what, It's.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Consistent, Yes, And that's what people are gonna follow. They're
going to follow a consistent life. And a consistent life
can only be lived if your convictions and your actions
are based on what would God want me to do?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And I'm worried.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
About what He is going to respond, how he's gonna
respond when I see him, and I could see him tomorrow.
And I'm gonna tell you something. Right now, most of
the world thinks God didn't even exists. They don't think
he exists, or they don't think they're going to see him.
And then you wonder why we just float around in
this this this world, and we just bounce around with change,
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and we change, and nobody's following, nobody's adjusting.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And so I think that's the first.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Thing that we got to do as men and as coaches,
is that we got to live a life that's consistent, yes,
our core values, with our convictions that have been based
on Scripture and what God would want me to do.
And that's the first thing we got instill in young people.
And that's the first thing you got to do to live.
When you live, is everything's got to be based on
there's I would finish every practice.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
We're at a Christian school, and so we.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Lived our life based on at least the core values
were the principles of the Scripture, and I finish every practice.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I'd say, Man, you.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Know the difference between right and wrong deep in your soul,
justin Zeller, deep in your soul.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You know the difference. Choose right, choose right when it comes.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
To your walk with God, when it comes to your kids,
when it comes to your wife, when it comes.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
To a deal you got to make choose right and
choose right. And what is right right? Right, right, doesn't change. Right,
doesn't depend upon your environment. Right, that's right. Right, was
what God says.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
What would the God that I'm going to see want
me to do on the brink of eternity.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's the fear of God. And when you fear God
and you.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Regularly audits the state of your souls, I'm gonna tell
you right now, you'll be different.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I've also said this many times.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Your reputation is merely what men and women think of you.
Your character and your integrity is what God and the
angels know. David Ruthford would have God and the angels
know about your soul. Mike Sweider, Mike Switer would have
God and the angels know about my soul. Man, am
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I worried about what they think? Because your reputation can change. Well,
this person thinks I'm great, That person thinks I'm a bomb.
I coach, that parent thought I was the greatest coach
in the world. A parent of a kid I didn't play,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I was a bomb.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You know that's my reputational You know my character is
That's what God and the angels know about me. And
that's when you have character and you have integrity. It's
always based on the fear of God, and that would
be the first thing that you got to default to.
How you live is fearing God. The second thing I
always say was trusting God. You gotta fear God and
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you gotta trust God. Who do you trust so or
Proverbs three five says says trust in the Lord with
all your heart, and what lean not on your own
understanding in all your ways. Acknowledge him and he will
make your path straight. But what we do first we
lean on our own understanding. When something crazy happens, we
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immediately try to decide why. But then first I say, Okay,
I'm gonna trust God's for this. It's the first time
we do. I'm gonna get on my knees and I'm
gonna trust God.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It doesn't mean we don't work. We don't mean we
don't apply our understanding, but it's a priority thing.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Again, I'm gonna trust God through this process and that
this is occurring in my life not because of chance,
not because of bad luck, but because a sovereign God
is allowing it into my life. That God loves me.
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He demonstrated his love by dying on the cross from me.
I will trust him, and that's the first thing I'm
gonna do. I'm gonna trust him through this, and then
I'm gonna get to work. But I'm gonna trust him
that this is not a random class. This is something
that has been filtered through the hand of God who
loves me.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I say this all the time for people who have kids.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, when my eight year old six year old,
my second one, little Mike Mikey, he runs in the
street chasing a ball in between two part cars, bolts
out there, I grab him and I spank his little behind.
I know you can't do that anymore, but I did it. Okay,
now we got that out of the way. Okay, I
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spank him. I said, you can't do that. You can't
do that. And he doesn't understand why. He doesn't even
he has no conception. So here's what I say to him.
Because it was a bad moment in his life. He
felt pain, he was deprived of joy of chasing a ball.
I say number one, I say, does Daddy love you?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Through a sniffle, Daddy loves me?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
How do you know Daddy loves you? Tell me how
you know I love you. I want you to verbalize
that for me right now. Well, because you give me food,
or you play baseball with me, or you you take
me to the Yankees game, or whatever what you do
for me, or you you came home early from work,
or you sacrifice, So you know I love you and
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you can verbalize how you know I love you? And
you say it's because I love you that I'm doing this,
and you know my next statement.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Is trust me, trus trust me.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You trust somebody who has demonstrated his love for you.
You're a Navy seal. Those guys have demonstrated their loves
for you. That's why you trust them. They've already demonstrated
that you can trust them by the lives they've lived
and by what they've done. We're not trusting a god
that is some out there god that is distant, that's abstract.
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We are trusting a God with our days who took
his son and put him on a cross and died
because that was the penalty we were going to face
in after death if we didn't put our faith in God.
And so then I use this example. I have my
older son. I put him in front of our team
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David every Easter. I put him my iron around it
when he was playing, put my arm around and said,
here's the deal, you hunter guys, you're condemned to death.
Row You're going to die because what you've done, that's
your penalty.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's death. But I got a plan, and my son,
my son, he's in on the plan too. And here's
what we're going to do. He's going to go and
die for you and you all going to live. He's
gonna die, my son who you know, He's going to die,
and you're gonna live.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And so I watched my son get beaten beyond human recognition,
and I allowed him to dine across when I could
have stopped at anytime. And I allow my son to
be executed so David Rutherford could live. You know that's happened.
Would you ever not trust me, David? No, not a
shot now, not a shot. Would you ever not talk
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to me? You never not pray to me?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Pray me to God? I mean now that you know.
Would you ever not read my words? Listen to me.
We don't talk to a god.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Read his words, speak to him, ask him, and trust
to God who let his.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Own son take our death penalty. Shame on us, man.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And if we're gonna make it, if we're gonna make
people of influence coaches, we got to make.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Sure our players understand that they are trusting.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
A God whose son died so that we can live,
and that that God's going to allow things in our
life with losses tough times that we have no concept
of my second So on a note, why don't understand?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Why trust me? I love you? That's all we need
to know.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You know what's going to happen someday, though understand and
something you understand God too. When my son was ten
years old, he came up to me, he says, Dad,
I understand now why he spanked me when I was six?
I understand, and you always said next, thank you, thank you.
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We don't understand everything God puts in our life right now,
do we? Now? He's fine, He's infinite and we're finite.
I was forty years old and my son was six.
If a six year old can understand a forty year
old mind, it it's not very good. So I asked
him to trust that forty year old money because I
loved him. And God is infinite, infinite, and we're I'm
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seventy years old. I'm called to trust that infinite mind
who loves me. And so when things come in my way,
my first recipes would be, not your bitterness, someone's trying
to screw.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Me over, not any of this is why did this happen? I?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
No, no, no, there's purpose in every day in my
life and that purpose is being allowed by a God
who demonstrated his love for me.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Trust him. Now get to work, Yes, now get to work.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Now get to work.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know, fear God, Now get to work.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It doesn't mean we rail over and die and who
we you know, I always said this. The greatest airplane
pilots ought to be believers, the greatest navy seals ought
to be believers. The greatest businessman ought to be believers.
You know why they ought to be believers because you
know what our days and our and and and and
the results of everything we do is already determined by God.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And we're just being obedient to a God we love.
I love it anyhow, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I could go on and on and on and all that,
but it's you know, the other example I use all
the time about trust is you know the story of Jesus,
And there was that storm and the disciples were in
a boat and Peter. They're all worried, and all of
a sudden, Jesus is walk comes walking on the water,
and there's there's turbulence and why and Jesus calls Peter
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and he calls Peter out of the boat.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
He says, ah, love that did he call him out
of the boat to watch him drown?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
No? Why did he call him out of the boat
to do something special with his life like walk on water?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And all Peter had to do was trust them. It
didn't make any sense. It made no sense what God
was asking him to do. But God will never do
anything remarkable with your life.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
And as he step out of the boat and trust
the God who died for you, and then you know
what happened.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You'll walk on water. You walk on water. Amen? And
so the.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Trust part again. I could go on and on, but
that that was the second thing I mentioned. And uh,
the third thing I talked about was we mentioned it
briefly here already. But seeky first Matthew six thirty three,
The Kingdom of God.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
It's setting your priorities. You know, our identity has to
be in Christ, our idea.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
My son I coached baseball with my son and he says,
all the times of your identity is if you're at
bat well, your identity is going to be good thirty
percent of the time because you hit three okay, so
you know, are you win one for five to day
you're gonna think you stunk four times.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In your identity. You just made an air I mean
your identity. It can't be in that.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
The only people whose identity is level is the people
whose identity is in Christ.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What I want to just talk to you a little
bit about is our our new Embrace Fear curriculum that's
available on David Rutherford dot com. It's a part of
the Frog Logic Institute, which is going to be an
emerging group of of of core products or core curriculum
that I've been working on over the past thirty years.
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The first in line is learning to embrace your fear.
Fear is the number one emotion that impedes us from
achieving anything that we truly put want to put our
minds to right. It's that emotion that's wired in you've
been taught at your whole life. It's it's that that
one thing that you really have to get.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
A hold of.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Now here's the deal. There's no such thing as fearless.
So please go to David Brotherford dot com, check out,
go to courses, and sign up for your Embrace Fear Curriculum.
This is a five week or five month course. I
recommend it doing it over the course of five months,
and this course is designed not only to help you
understand your fear, to accept your fear, to begin to
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retrain your brain with the fear, to test your fear
every day, and then ultimately to live with courage and
to deal with your fear as a motivational component to
go help.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You achieve your purpose in life. So don't waste time.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Go to David brotherfor dot com and check out our
Brace Fear curriculum.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
That's why what I told you when they've started out,
I never questioned my identity.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
My dad told me my I Dinny was in God.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
My next identity I was his son, and the next
identity was I had a father that loved his mother.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And those three never changed. I wasn't three for ten
like the baseball guy. I was three for three every
single day.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
David, and my identity concept, I was three for three
every day as a sixteen year old kid. In my identity,
my God loved me, my dad loved me, my dad
loved my mom. And I never saw that change no
matter what my day was like. My day was God
awful sometimes, but my identity was in Christ. And then
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when that comes, you seek him in first. When your
identity is in him. You seek Him first in all
that you do. You don't seek you know. It's like
when you go to do something and saying and is
this pleasing to God? Okay, First, I'm doing something that's
pleasing to God. Next, I'm gonna take a lot of
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reps in the batting cageuse it's going to help me hit.
But it can't be displeasing to God. It's the business guy.
I gotta make this decision.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Okay. Is this pleasing to God?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
First?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
No, it's not. Then I don't care how much money
it's gonna make me. We're not doing this.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Is it pleasing to God? I mean seeking God first?
The Kingdom of God is righteousness. I am this is okay?
This aligns with core values? Okay, then I'm going after
that win and I'm going after that million dollar deal
harder than you are, harder than you are man, and
I will beat you. Justin Zella, I'll beat you because
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I lay on that.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Hot to hear roof how longer? But it's filtered through.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Does this match up with my core values that are
established because I'm a lever in the core values of scripture?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Am I seeking.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
God's approval first? And that's that is so critical. It's
we would here, here's one thing. When I was at
weeting with these guys, we would split up into small
groups and we you know, we small groups met once
a week. We'd go on mission trips and we would
raise a couple hundred thousand dollars every year, and we
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would send eighty percent of our team. We required our
kids to go at least once other four years, but
we wouw eighty percent of our kids. We'd have eighty
to ninety kids every year, and we would we would
we would go to a part of the world where
there was a former player as a missionary to be
an encouragement to him. So we were in Africa and
Central America and South America and Eastern Europe and all
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over the place. And then we would be sometimes in
some areas here in the country. Wow, And we would
go and that had such a powerful influence on our kids' life, and.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So they learned how to serve. They learned what it
was like to serve others. And when you serve others
less fortunate, what you think is such a big problem
in your own life, very very very big. Amen.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I would stand in our football field at the end
of a game our home field. Now, we went about
ninety percent of the games on our home field. I
mean there was a streak we'd lost six out of
like an eighty five year period. I mean we home period. Okay,
better not then we lost. Well, there's a train behind
that visitors stand. That was a commuter chain that would
go into the city. We're about forty five minutes outside
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the city of Chicago. The commuter chain would go in
the city. And here's what I would tell after every loss.
Guys are down and they were belly ache and they're
blaming others.
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You know, the whole world was falling apart. They're gonna
yell at their mom.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You know whatever I said, here's what you need to
do everyone on this team, or if you're struggling this
loss so bad, Here's what I want to do. I
want you to take some money. I want you go
down to the grocery store. I want you to go
buy a bag of man or An oranges. I want
you buy a jar of peanut butter and a loaf
of bread. I want you to make some peanut butter sandwiches.
I want you to buy a case of water. I
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want you to put in your backpack. I want you
to get on that train. I want you to go
in the city.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I want you to feed the homeless for the next
two hours Saturday night. Wow. Okay, And when you come
back this loss, won't we need a hill of beans? Deal?
Because you have realized what count my blessing? Yes, seek
God first. Put everything through that perspective.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
And that's that's what all that does is it's a
football team that when we address loss, talk about seeking God.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
How can we serve God tonight? You know, we go
on these mission trips. These mission trips cost uswo hundred
thousand dollars a year. Well, if it's twenty years, that's
four million dollars. I could have built a heck of
a weighting room. Man. So I'm speaking to am, I'm speaking.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
To a group of coaches, and they're going, well, that
four hundred four million dollars you get, you spend it
on it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
He says, yeah. He said, well, and.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
On Friday nights you have chapel and you don't practice.
I say, yeah, we sing and pray. We're seeking God first.
You mean, and you take you to go feed the homeless.
We're seeking God first?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Your spring break, you're spending two hundred thousand dollars a
year ago. Yeah, we're seeking God.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
First he said, well, how are you ready to play
games on Saturday? If you've got if you're singing and
praying on Friday, if you're spring break and.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
You're I says here, why do your schedules? Can find
out if we're ready. Okay, you schedule.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Us because you don't want Our kids are fighting, and
you know this. Our kids are fighting for the cause
of Christ because they seek Christ. They're fighting for the
cause of their team. It translates down you're you were
in the military. You hire a mercenary, he's not going
to fight to death because he wants to spend his money.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
You hire someone's fighting for glory. He'll never fight to
the death because he wants to hear the applause.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
But the guy's fighting for cause he eyes because the
cause transcends his life. The money's not going to transcend
your life. The fame's not going to transcend your life,
but that flag will fran change your life. Never get
in a fight with someone's fighting for cause if you're
not fighting for it, because you lose every time. Now
there's good causes and bad causes. But you've put a
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cause first and seek God first.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
That's your cause.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
That's why we're doing this, that's why we're why we're
playing the way we play, That's why we live the
way we live. That's why we practice, because that's what
God would call us to do. For reject the philosophy
of the world Colossians two eight. You know, my dad
would send this to me. My first coaching job was
down in Atlanta, and I was at Westminster Prep School
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in Atlanta for from seventy eight to eighty four before
I came back to Wheaton when I was thirty, and
my dad would send me this verse and you'd send
me once a week through the Pony Express.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
He wasn't through an email. It wasn't through un tell
you nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
And then out of that existence he'd write in a
letters of the mail and I'd get it five days later,
And it said Colossians two eight. See to it that
no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception
according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary
principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. See
to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy
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and empty deception according to the tradition of men.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Wow, you know what.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I read that every week from my father. You already
know the story my dad, so you know where it's
coming from.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, I read that every day.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And I'm gonna tell you something right now. If you
read Galatians six, don't be deceived. God will not be wocked.
You will reap what you saw one Corinthians three nineteen.
I will make foolish the wisdom of this world.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You know what we do. We don't reject the philosophy
of the world. We don't reject it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
If you are ever going to be a difference maker,
you've got to reject the philosophy of the world.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Because the philosophy of the world is going to hell
in a handbasket.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
You have got to say, here is the philosophy, if
we call philosophy, but here is my faith. My faith,
and my perspective and my core values and my roadmap
does not come from the philosophy of the world. It
comes from scripture, unchanging two thousand year old scripture that
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has stood the test of time and has never changed.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
That's what I'm going to base my life on. But
we don't.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
We do not reject the philosophy of the world because
we don't fear God.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Because we don't trust God.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
The are all they piggyback, they overlap, they layer each
other because we don't trust God.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So my question to you is who are you listening to? Yes,
who are you listening to? You listen to that Instagram
post your Twitter account. I can't even spell Instagram. I
can't even Twitter.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I can't even spell Facebook. I've never even been on them.
I don't even care. I don't even care. I don't
even care. The only reason I have Instagram, I tell
you events.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I take that back.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
The only Instagram account I've ever even seen in is
the Instagram Acount of my kids when they put post
pictures of.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
My grandkids of what they're doing that day. So I
look at theirs. I've never been on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't even know what Twitter is. I'm the village idiot.
I'm just a long hair, dumb football coach man, That's
all I am. But I'm telling you something is who
are you listening to that will that's going to determine
your destiny? And in Scripture it says see to it
that you don't be taken captive by the rudimentary, elementary
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principles of the world of man rather than according to Christ.
You can just see how this layers. And you can
see how the businessman fails on a Friday night when
he's got.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Alcohol in him mm hmm. You can see how it fails.
He can rise to the occasion. He has no shot
to rise the occasion. He in fearing God. He's not
seeking God.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
He's reading his Instagram account. He doesn't trust God. Well,
you know what's gonna have?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You gonna fail? So am I going to fail?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
That Navy seal is not going to execute that assignment
if he hasn't prepared himself, he's had no shot. He'd
be like a dude off the street with a three
piece sudo. He his head going off in the first
five minutes of the event. You know, it's it's this
isn't rocket.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Science, it really is not.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
And and just like that navy soit you got to
have these things that are regularly happening in your life
so when that moment comes, you're prepared and so you'll
stand tall, you won't fall, and and they're they're critical.
And then the fifth one here and I know we
we we got to go.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
But the last one good, you're good coach.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Rolling.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
It's it's the last one is is I do it earlier?
Don't forget the cost of your salvation. If you never
forget the cost of your.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Salvation, you know what happened. You never be unfaithful.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
I've already talked about my son becoming you know, if
we're gonna put him in front like on Eastern But
here's the thing, this is why, this is what grind
My dad was World War two vet. You say in
a country, that's what grinds me when Memorial Day and
some of these days are abused, because.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
You know what happens when you forget the cost of
your freedom. You lose it. You lose it when you forget.
Don't forget.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Do not forget the cost of your salvation. And here
in the United States, do not forget the price that
was paid. So you and I can talk today because
you know what happens. We forget, we forget, and that's
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the sad thing. You know, Like I said, if if if,
if I if my son David had died for you,
and this is a different kind of death. You were
in the military. This is a different kind of death.
When a guy just out of reaction and because you're
his combat brother, jumps on, are gonna aid or shields
a bullet? I mean premeditatively, okay, I mean this is
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this is not in common.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
This is premeditatively. Okay. I might die for someone in.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
A in a combat zone, but premeditatively. I've said this
many times. I die for like, well, before my kids
got married, I always say this, I die for four people. Premeditatively.
I die for my wife, my three kids. Those the
only people I die for. Now, if I was in
war something, you're right, you know, because you're you're, you're, you're,
you're gonna be favd.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
But I mean pre mented.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
You know why, because I don't want my kids to
go a lot of father and so just to premeditatively plan,
I'm just going to choreograph this so David can live if.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I did that, Like I said, would you ever for
get the cost for you to live?
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Now?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Translate that to the next level.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
These soldiers that have done it at the next level,
not the level of Christ, but the next level. But
we forget on both accounts, and we don't talk to God,
we don't talk to God, do we ever? We don't
thank God. We don't trust God. You can see how
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these others start happening. We don't fear God.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
We don't do any of this because we forgot what
he did for us. We forgot. We forgot the cost
that was paid so that we can coach football, so
that you can speak at first trust, so we can
be on the air here. We forgot, and we think
it's just a right for God.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
We're going to heaven. I've said this many times, David,
You and I deserve hell. You know what we get heaven? Heymen,
we get heaven. Not to say anything we did.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
We get heaven.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
He's a God put his son in a cross and
shed his blood for our sin.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
See that blood.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
All we got to do is accept his blood in
place of our blood. That bloods for everybody, black, white,
don't matter.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
That blood is for every human being because all of
our blood's red, so his blood is.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
We just got to say, will you take your son's
blood in my place?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
And God said I'll take it. And you know what happens.
We become a child of God. God.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
And as long as we don't forget that, we don't
forget that everything else will fall into place.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
We'll fear God, we'll seek him, we'll trust him. Well,
we won't. We'll reject the Who are you going to
listen to the guy that died for you? The yo
yo out there wants an Instagram hit? I mean, who
are you listening to? What I'm listening to? Twitter? Dude,
You're not listening to the guy who died for you?
What about your own son? I mean, what if?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What about the soldier, like I said, who died and
then and his parents or his buddy ask you to
do something and you'd rather.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Come on, man, this is rocket science.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, it really is not, you know, And so you know,
I just I could go on and on so many
things here, David, But you know those things. I think
those are the things that you you asked me to
share on and I could. I could speak an hour
and each of them. But there's so many other things.
But those are the five things that I happened at
that chapel talk point. He took twenty one minutes, and
we've been on for forty. Coach you, but those are
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the five things that they've got to be going on
in your life, and coaches, those are five things you
better be living.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
And if you ain't living them, don't try to teach them.
Don't even try to teach them.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
If you're living them, then demand them and and and
and and like I said, there, you're you're you're gonna
get people that respond to you because they want to
because you're living them, and uh and and so that
would be my my justt to you, guys is is
live these things out and remember you could see God tomorrow.
So if you live them out and you're gonna see
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God tomorrow, man, your players will buy into them. And
then those players, you know what they'll do. They'll play
for you. They'll play for you. There's a thousands of
other reasons they'll play for you. I could go into,
I could go into a lot of other reasons why
they play for you, but they'll they'll play for you
and your business guys, they'll work for you. They'll stay
up later and and it's your life. Before you try
to teach those five things or demand them from your players,
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make sure you're living them. And the only way you'll
live them if is if you believe you're gonna see
God tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Amen, coach.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
It's not often that somebody leaves me speechless. I could
tell you that, my wife could tell you that for sure,
but I just uh, you know, hearing you in person,
you know, deliver those five things again has made that
video ever even hit me even heavier than it did.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Watching it the first time.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
And I know, and I watch this and listen to
this again, and I just hope and pray that the
people that listen to this show and hear what you're
saying to them that it just uh that seed, they
allow that seed to be planted in their heart and
their soul because I know that you know, your words
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are coming from your faith and coming from how you
live your life, and as a person who's talked to
you know twenty plus of the men that you influence
and how they live their lives and how they act
as men in their communities, and you know, and the
and the lessons that they portray, you know, through your
word and through the word of God as it's been transformational,
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and the people that they impact and the people that
you know, we've tried to impact in our lives. And
I know this is truth. So once again, coach Uh,
I can't thank you enough. I'm beyond honored to have
had you on my show and I'm looking forward to
the next time you come back, sir.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, it'd be It'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Man. It's it's like I said, you know, it's as
iron sharpens iron. And I want to publicly thank you
for your service to our country, for the sacrifices you
made for your family had to make for what you did,
and know that there are people out there that recognize
that and appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
And I hope you ever put your head on a pillow.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
At night and feel like your service to our country
was in vain because there's one guy right here you're
talking to that appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Well, thank you very much, sir. All Right, God bless
your coach.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Thank you so much. You have a great day, David
Since the age of four, I have been involved in
organized sports and dedicated the whole first half of my
life pursuing a destiny of being an elite athlete. And
I had literally hundreds of coaches come across my path
and that quest, and since I was in the Sealed Teams,
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I had dozens and dozens of instructors that had profound
impact on me.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
And then even being out in my.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Professional life and all the different sports teams and coaches
I've worked with myself, but I have never met an
individual that has had such a long lasting and deep
and profound impact on the.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Men that he coached.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I've had the incredible opportunity to meet and work as
colleagues with twenty plus of his former players, and it's
them that introduced me to the idea of what it
really meant to be a servant coach, to be somebody
that utilizes God as a primary force of influence to
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shape young men into becoming the men they hope to become.
And so ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. It is
an unbelievable privilege and pleasure to welcome coach Mike Swider,
former head football coach of twenty three years at Wheaton College,
a D three school in Wheaton, Illinois, with nine CCIW championships,
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seven Division three tournament appearances, and seven CCIW Coach of
the Year awards. So, without further ado, Coach, it is
an incredible honor to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you well.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's great to be here, David, it really is.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
It's you know, you call it a privilege to have
an opportunity to speak.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
With me and share, and I the feeling is mutual.
It really is.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your legacy and your history and your reputation precedes you
as well. And like iron sharpens iron, so does one
man sharpen another. And that's why it's critical that men
surround themselves by like minded men who are common goals
and common ambitions and common values.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And you know, we have a.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
World that can beat us down, in a world that
can just through social media and everything else, can just
absolutely inundate you with all kinds of ideas, and your
self esteem can get just get beat up. But when
you know for a fact that your identity is in
Christ and that can't change no matter what happens.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
You're a son or child of God and.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
That doesn't change, and then you also surround yourself by
by men that like mind and that can challenge you
and you look you in the eye and say how
you doing? No, no, really know how you do it?
And and and have those men in your life, it's
it's great.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And so I if I can knew.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
You better, I would count you as one of those
for me if we were close by with the greater proximity.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, I'll tell you what, Now that we're connected, there's
a definitive.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Chance that in my future.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Endeavors, if I should be af forwarded the opportunity of
working with some great teams again in the future, I'm
going to call you up for sure and ask for
advice on how to improve it is what I do
for a living.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I there's a YouTube video that Justin Zeller, one of
your players who's also just a phenomenal human being, sent
me a few months ago, and I watched this and
it's a speech that you gave at Wheaton Chapel and
it was the speech is titled Walk with God. And
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in that speech you listed five ideas that really you
have implemented to try and educate your players onto the
deeper meaning of what it meant to be a servant, right,
not only just a servant to their fellow players or
a servant to the coaches, a servant to their community
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at the school or the school itself, but what it
meant to build the foundation so they could go on
to serve at.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
A higher level.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Can you describe that speech and where it came from,
and then maybe go through those five things and how
it can apply to young players or young better for
better purposes, young coaches out there that are trying to
figure out what their philosophy looks like and what's the
best way to impact their players.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, let me just begin with two things, and then
we can actually run through that those five expectations that
have to be involved and have to be part of
your daily life. I mentioned this to you when we
first spoke David, that he's the here's the importance of
coaches as we speak to coaches, men, even fathers. I
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was raised in a home where there wasn't a day
in my life that my father didn't reaffirm to me
that God loved me, that I was not an accident,
that I was created by a sovereign God for a purpose,
and that that God loved me and there was nothing
I can do to lose that love, and there was
nothing I could do to earn that love, and that
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my life was purposeful and that that purpose was going
to be executed by him.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
My dad told me that every day.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I wasn't an accident. My second thing, my dad told
me every day. My dad was a World War two
bet I told you that earlier.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
So he was, you know, part of the.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Greatest generation, grew up there in the depression, that had
a gun in his hand at eighteen and a half.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
So second thing he told me every day was that
he loved me. God loved me.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And there's nothing I could ever do to keep my
father from loving me. And so every day of my
life I would come home fifteen sixteen, come home from
high school, whatever it was. You know, your image could
get beat up. Good days, bad days, whatever it was.
And I walked through a home where I knew, beyond
a shadow of a doubt, that the maker of this universe,
the god to put the stars in the sky, that
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created me for a purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And I wasn't an accident.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
And then I walked into home and my father told
me every day he loved me. And the third thing
my dad told me is that I love your mother.
And there was never a day in a life in
my life. Then my father and mother didn't sleep in
the same bed until the day my dad died.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He died of cancer. He slept in the same bed.
And so I was three for three.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
David, I have no excuses for my life. I was
a young man that grew up and you know, I
was growing up in the sixties. It was crazy now,
it's crazy then too, But I and I walked into
a home where my identity wasn't wrapped around what happened
to me all day long. My identity was wrapped around
that a God who loved me, a dad who loved me,
and a dad who loved my mom, and those things
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weren't changing. Here's the problem, David, and to all the
coaches everybody out there, most kids today are zero for three.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Most kids today are growing up in homes, and they're
growing up in homes. We're talking to men. They're growing
up in homes where nobody's telling them. The father's not
telling them God loves them, the father's probably not even
in a fifty percent of the time, the file is
not in the home and the file's not a loving mom,
and then we expect that young man to go out
there and find his identity and what and they're finding
the identity that every single thing that hits them in
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the mouth throughout the day.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I don't have any excuses, and so here's.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
The reason I preface, and I start by saying that
is coaches. There's a problem, and that's where you step in.
That's why I coached. And that's the first thing you
got to understand is why are you coaching? Is this
your ego? Is this you want to set records, you
want to have something to boast about, a trophy, whatever,
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Why are you coaching? And if you're not coaching to
address a problem that's in our culture and to inspire
young men, then you're coaching for the wrong reason. I'm
not saying winning is not important. Trust me, nobody wants
to win more and I do. I'm telling you right
now I will lay in a hot tire roof longer.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Than you to win. But that's not the first reason
I coach.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
The first reason I coach is to inspire young men
and ultimately to love God, which we can talk about
some today. That's why I'm coaching. So all the coaches
out there, that's why you do what you do. And
if that's not your priority, it'll never show up in
your coaching. It's not going to show up. It's only
going to show up if that's your priority. And it
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says in It says in Matthew six thirty three. But
seek ye first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness,
and then all these things will be added under you.
Here's the problem. We've chased all those things first and
never find the Kingdom of God and his righteousness. When
I speak to business man, it's not bad to chase money.
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I all those guys at First Trust. Jim Bowen was
a teammate of mine. I said, if you're in the
business I was in the business world, I'd be kicking
your button. I'd be making a million more than you are.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I would.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I told that to zeller Man, You'd be number two
and I'd be number one. But that's that can't be
your first goal in football and coaches. Your first goal
should be win, win, win, win win, Because here's what happens.
You will prostitute yourself for that dollar, and you will
prostitute yourself for that w yeah, and you will never
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find the Kingdom of God, and you will never influence
people for Christ.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
So it's a priority thing. That's the first thing.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I can sit here and chat all day long about
these things that got to be instilled. But if these
things that you're instilling are coming second, third, and fourth
on your priority list, the kid's going to figure it
out and be going to figure it out. It's an afterthought.
It's an absolute afterthought. And so that would be the
first thing that I would say before I get into
these things. And then the other thing I would say, David,
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and you you understand this is better than anybody does.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
If you don't live these things, you have no shot.
You have no shot in tech. I call it integrity.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Integrity is the absolute supreme quality of any leader. Dwight
Eisenhower said it. I think Dwight Eisenhower is the greatest
leader of all time. And you can argue with me,
but you're gonna lose that argument.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
West Point grad rose to its five star general and
became president.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You know what anybody else has done?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
That no means he you know what he said, Integrity
is a number one quality of a.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Leader, and here's what integrity is.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
What you say and how you live sync up what
you represent the model of First Trust or business or
Wheaton College of your family being a believer here are
here's the model, and here's.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What this stuff stands for. Here's how I live.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
If those two don't sync up, it's you're not gonna
teach your players anything. They're gonna see through you in
a second. You have to live it before you say it.
You've got to live it and they've got to see
it in your life. First, there's got to be authenticity, David.
Without authenticity, your words, they are absolutely they rendered meaningless.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And so that's what.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
I would say to these coach, the coaches that are
listening in men and who's ever out there, is that
your integrity?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Do you do you? And here's another way you can
explain it. You're in a business world. Men of integrity
regularly audit the state of their soul. Wow, first trust.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
First Trust doesn't audit every year, maybe two a year.
Money in money out right, here's what we're bringing in.
Here's how it's being spent. Well, a lot more's coming in.
I don't see it being spent or more's beings.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
And you know, they got to They gotta line them up.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
If you don't line them up regularly, something gets out
of whack and then you fall down. You gotta audit
the state of your soul. Here's what it means, the
coaches and men. Here's what I say. Here's how I live.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Does it add up?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Here's my vows to my wife. Here's how I'm living.
Does it add up? I represented Wheaton Football. Here are
our core values.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Here's my life. Does it add up?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Wow? I claim Christ is my savior. These are the values.
Here's what I say. What do I talk about today?
Here's how I live? Does it add up? If it
done that up, you have no shot. We can sit
here and talk all you want to, these coaches out here,
but if.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You're not living this stuff, you ain't gonna infhone anybody,
no aboudy at all, not a person in your life.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
And so you know, I would preface everything we talk
about by those two things, that you've got to prioritize
these things, and you've got to live these things because
your life, your life will teach your kids more than
any word that comes out of your mouth, you know,
And it set all those guys I mean they that's
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what they said. Coach man, you lived it. You know
it can come to just training demands. I was, I
would in the weight room, I was running, I was
doing everything with them. Man, you know it's I couldn't
do as much as them at the end, but I
was there. I got I got five art official joints.
Now to specify.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I love the legendary story. What's the one about you, uh.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Running the what was it?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
The mile?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
You had to do the bile and you did three
of them.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Back about run, we had had a twelve minute Yeah,
a twelve minute run.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I first came in.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
When I first came in, I made all these demands
and I said, I got it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There's only one thing to make these guys do, and
they're going to see someone.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So we had to run a twelve minute run based
on your height, your weight, your position.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
The big guys had run it, obviously not as far
as the little guys anyhow, So I said, this is
what we're doing. And I wasn't the head coach at
the time. I said, but this is what we're doing.
And maybe you know, this kind of aerobic capacity doesn't
equate to a football player, but you know what, I
want to find out who's got it down inside.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I want to find.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Who's going to do something because I said, you got
to do it, and who's going to fight through it.
This is gonna tell me who you are and if
you're gonna be able to handle everything else.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I'm in a demand. So I said, here's what I'm
gonna do. We did it.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
We did a twelve minute run for three different position groups,
and then within a minute we did another one for
the next We would get it done in thirty six minutes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I said, I'm gonna run every single one.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I'm going to run the first one with the first group,
I'm gonna run the second one the second group. I'm
gonna run a third one with a third group, and
I'm gonna make the standard of the fastest group on
every group. And so I went back to back to
back and set the standard on every single group.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Well, all of a sudden, you know what happens. When
I challenged him, the runner sprints the next day. You
know what happened.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They believe me, Yes they did.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You can't manufacture that stuff, man, you can't. You who
you are, it's everything you know. People don't follow titles.
They follow leaders. People that follow title, you know what
they followed, They follow a life, that's what they follow.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They don't. And if your life.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
And your words don't sync up what we share today
on your show, David, we can talk about anything, it's
not going to matter. So I had to start with that.
And then the third thing I wanted just to mention
before we really jump into this, and is what I
had shared with you earlier too. You know, we got
a as believers, we got under it. Really it's anybody,
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but as believers, we know we are attorney done. We
have two days in life guarantee. We got today, David,
I'm on your show. We got that guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
God gave us that. He's like, we got today.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And the only other guarantee we got, David, is the
day we see God. Those are the only two days
we got guaranteed. Here's the problem. We live in a
world as if that day is they were going to come.
I'm gonna tell you right now, it could come tomorrow.
Mike Leach, coach Mississippi State's coaching in a practice before
a bowl game, and four o'clock that afternoon, he passes
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away from a massive heart attack.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
We all know stories about people woke up that day
and it was their last day. If we all lived
life in light of the day we see God, every
single person would live differently. Nobody would worry about peer pressure,
nobody worry about anything. We would all live differently. And
what we're going to talk about today would always be priorities.
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Everything you would it would reset your priorities in a second,
It would reset everything.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
And and but we don't do that, and we forget that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And so I think if we we we adjust everything.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'm going to say based on those three things.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You know, setting your priorities, make sure your priorities are right,
live it, and remember that you could see God tomorrow
and you're to stand before him on the brink of eternity.
I think you'd be much more apt to make these
a priority as you coach, rather than winning and losing.
The wnting and losing will happen. I'm telling you, I
can get on a board and I can diagram stuff
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with the best of them. I'll I can go x
and os with you to the Cole's come home. That's
That's not what Justin Zeller and Chris Bosson. Remember right now,
do they David, No, I don't remember that now.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
You remember everything.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Else once they didn't have to compromise winning, and you
don't have to compromise making money in the business world. People,
you can make your money. But I'm gonna tell you
right now, if you don't put God first, man, the
rest of your life will get twisted up. So anyhow,
just a little preface to some of these things.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I take that's the whole show. Right there, We're done.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
We could probably do ten shows.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Well as this as it's involving.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
All I'm taking to my head is, man, I'm gonna
get him on at least on the phone with me
once once every month, just to get that motivation that
get them on the show, to motivate my audience, you know,
once a quarter.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So don't worry, that's gonna happen, coach for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So yeah, here, here's here's why we'll start this chat
that I had.
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Speaker 4 (19:36):
First, I have a statement that you never rise to
the occasion. You always default to your level of preparation.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
You know this.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
I mean if a Navy seal doesn't know it, nobody
knows it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We live and die by it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Paron me.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
We live and die by that motto.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Yeah, you have to you know alla rise that. No,
you default all your preparation. Nobody's going to ever perform
and do some of these heroic things in any walk
of life, whether it's a fireman, a football player, a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
In the army, whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Now's ever going to rise to this this level of
competency and a performance just because the moment inspired them.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Because we're all gonna start.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Squeezing something really tight and we're gonna fail, but we
we just default to what we've been repeatedly done for years.
Prior problem is people get bored with repetition, They get
bored with all this stuff, and then when the moment comes,
it's it's not it's not a natural instinct. And if
you got to think about every single thing you're cooked,
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you are absolutely cooked. So I would say, these are
things that you know, you've got to regularly, you know,
incorporate into your life and and and core values. And
they come by reading scripture. I said, you know youve
got to. If you're not reading the scripture every day,
and you're not praying every day, and you're not church
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on Sunday, and you're not in a small group, and
you're not involving acts of service, you're you're never gonna
be close to God and you're never going to be
prepared for anything. And so I would challenge them with that.
And so let's start with the first. The first one
that I think is absolutely critical. If in that moment
of truth in your life, that moment of truth, you're
you know, your your marriage with you, you're on Friday night,
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you're on a business trip, that moment of truth comes.
Are you going to walk with God when you could
compromise yourself with a deal that's not square? Are you
going to walk with God when you're going to lose
your patience? It's who do you fear? That's principal number one.
Who do you fear? Do you fear God? Or do
you fear man? And I can tell who you fear
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within ten minutes, within ten minutes, who you fear, because
you know what, when the next guy gets in front
of you, you fear him. And when you don't fear God,
you become this amoeba who just forms to his environment.
Whoever I'm around, whatever group I'm around, I'm this politician
who speaking to the veterans of foreign wars, to the
team stirs, to liberal Hollywood, to all and you know
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what talk changes?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Who are you? You know what I want?
Speaker 4 (22:05):
I want?
Speaker 3 (22:05):
The guy says the same dagone thing.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Everybody stands in front of that guy, and when comes
your faith, that guy is the guy that fears God.
Because you base whether you're a politician, you base your
life and your decisions on what does God think? I
could see him tomorrow? What would God want me to do?
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What would you want me to say? I would get
in front of a group of people when I speak,
and one of the things I always say to start with,
I say, listen, I hope all you end up liking
me when I'm done talking here, But to be honest
with you, with all due respect, even in this conversation
with me, I don't care whether you like me or not.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I really don't.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I hope you do, but I don't. I'm not saying
this so you like me. I could see God tomorrow.
And you know what, guy, I want God to say
to me. Man, oh Man, you represented me well on
David's show, A New Central Standard Time.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That's what I want to hear. You said.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
I don't want to be said. One hundred different people
liked me. No, I hope they do, but if they don't,
it's irrelevant. And so that's the fear of God.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Who do you fear?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Who are you all to me? Accountable to? Who influences
your choices? You know, it's called peer pressure. For we
tell our junior high kids, your junior high son, don't
worry about people think, And the fifty year old is
worry about someone thinks in the marketplace. He's worried about
what someone thinks in the in the political realm. You know,
it's it's lunacy. We demand from our junior high kids
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to not respond to peer pressure, and.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
We live a life based on peer pressure. It's sad.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
It's sad. It's absolutely sad. And so what I would
always tell my kids growing up that the fear of
the Lord is the beginning of wisdom at Psalm one
eleven ten.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
It's the beginning of wisdom.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And don't, like I said, don't ever base your decisions
on public opinion, based on conviction, based on the fear
of God. And when you fear God and when you
regularly ought at the state of your soul.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm gonna tell you something. You're going to live a life.
You know what, It's.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Consistent, Yes, And that's what people are gonna follow. They're
going to follow a consistent life. And a consistent life
can only be lived if your convictions and your actions
are based on what would God want me to do?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
And I'm worried.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
About what He is going to respond, how he's gonna
respond when I see him, and I could see him tomorrow.
And I'm gonna tell you something. Right now, most of
the world thinks God didn't even exists. They don't think
he exists, or they don't think they're going to see him.
And then you wonder why we just float around in
this this this world, and we just bounce around with change,
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and we change, and nobody's following, nobody's adjusting.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
And so I think that's the first.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Thing that we got to do as men and as coaches,
is that we got to live a life that's consistent, yes,
our core values, with our convictions that have been based
on Scripture and what God would want me to do.
And that's the first thing we got instill in young people.
And that's the first thing you got to do to live.
When you live, is everything's got to be based on
there's I would finish every practice.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
We're at a Christian school, and so we.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Lived our life based on at least the core values
were the principles of the Scripture, and I finish every practice.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I'd say, Man, you.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Know the difference between right and wrong deep in your soul,
justin Zeller, deep in your soul.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
You know the difference. Choose right, choose right when it comes.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
To your walk with God, when it comes to your kids,
when it comes to your wife, when it comes.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
To a deal you got to make choose right and
choose right. And what is right right? Right, right, doesn't change. Right,
doesn't depend upon your environment. Right, that's right. Right, was
what God says.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
What would the God that I'm going to see want
me to do on the brink of eternity.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's the fear of God. And when you fear God
and you.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Regularly audits the state of your souls, I'm gonna tell
you right now, you'll be different.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I've also said this many times.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Your reputation is merely what men and women think of you.
Your character and your integrity is what God and the
angels know. David Ruthford would have God and the angels
know about your soul. Mike Sweider, Mike Switer would have
God and the angels know about my soul. Man, am
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I worried about what they think? Because your reputation can change. Well,
this person thinks I'm great, That person thinks I'm a bomb.
I coach, that parent thought I was the greatest coach
in the world. A parent of a kid I didn't play,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I was a bomb.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
You know that's my reputational You know my character is
That's what God and the angels know about me. And
that's when you have character and you have integrity. It's
always based on the fear of God, and that would
be the first thing that you got to default to.
How you live is fearing God. The second thing I
always say was trusting God. You gotta fear God and
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you gotta trust God. Who do you trust so or
Proverbs three five says says trust in the Lord with
all your heart, and what lean not on your own
understanding in all your ways. Acknowledge him and he will
make your path straight. But what we do first we
lean on our own understanding. When something crazy happens, we
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immediately try to decide why. But then first I say, Okay,
I'm gonna trust God's for this. It's the first time
we do. I'm gonna get on my knees and I'm
gonna trust God.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
It doesn't mean we don't work. We don't mean we
don't apply our understanding, but it's a priority thing.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Again, I'm gonna trust God through this process and that
this is occurring in my life not because of chance,
not because of bad luck, but because a sovereign God
is allowing it into my life. That God loves me.
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He demonstrated his love by dying on the cross from me.
I will trust him, and that's the first thing I'm
gonna do. I'm gonna trust him through this, and then
I'm gonna get to work. But I'm gonna trust him
that this is not a random class. This is something
that has been filtered through the hand of God who
loves me.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I say this all the time for people who have kids.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, when my eight year old six year old,
my second one, little Mike Mikey, he runs in the
street chasing a ball in between two part cars, bolts
out there, I grab him and I spank his little behind.
I know you can't do that anymore, but I did it. Okay,
now we got that out of the way. Okay, I
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spank him. I said, you can't do that. You can't
do that. And he doesn't understand why. He doesn't even
he has no conception. So here's what I say to him.
Because it was a bad moment in his life. He
felt pain, he was deprived of joy of chasing a ball.
I say number one, I say, does Daddy love you?
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Through a sniffle, Daddy loves me?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
How do you know Daddy loves you? Tell me how
you know I love you. I want you to verbalize
that for me right now. Well, because you give me food,
or you play baseball with me, or you you take
me to the Yankees game, or whatever what you do
for me, or you you came home early from work,
or you sacrifice, So you know I love you and
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you can verbalize how you know I love you? And
you say it's because I love you that I'm doing this,
and you know my next statement.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Is trust me, trus trust me.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
You trust somebody who has demonstrated his love for you.
You're a Navy seal. Those guys have demonstrated their loves
for you. That's why you trust them. They've already demonstrated
that you can trust them by the lives they've lived
and by what they've done. We're not trusting a god
that is some out there god that is distant, that's abstract.
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We are trusting a God with our days who took
his son and put him on a cross and died
because that was the penalty we were going to face
in after death if we didn't put our faith in God.
And so then I use this example. I have my
older son. I put him in front of our team
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David every Easter. I put him my iron around it
when he was playing, put my arm around and said,
here's the deal, you hunter guys, you're condemned to death.
Row You're going to die because what you've done, that's
your penalty.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
It's death. But I got a plan, and my son,
my son, he's in on the plan too. And here's
what we're going to do. He's going to go and
die for you and you all going to live. He's
gonna die, my son who you know, He's going to die,
and you're gonna live.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
And so I watched my son get beaten beyond human recognition,
and I allowed him to dine across when I could
have stopped at anytime. And I allow my son to
be executed so David Rutherford could live. You know that's happened.
Would you ever not trust me, David? No, not a
shot now, not a shot. Would you ever not talk
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to me? You never not pray to me?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Pray me to God? I mean now that you know.
Would you ever not read my words? Listen to me.
We don't talk to a god.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Read his words, speak to him, ask him, and trust
to God who let his.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Own son take our death penalty. Shame on us, man.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
And if we're gonna make it, if we're gonna make
people of influence coaches, we got to make.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Sure our players understand that they are trusting.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
A God whose son died so that we can live,
and that that God's going to allow things in our
life with losses tough times that we have no concept
of my second So on a note, why don't understand?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Why trust me? I love you? That's all we need
to know.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
You know what's going to happen someday, though understand and
something you understand God too. When my son was ten
years old, he came up to me, he says, Dad,
I understand now why he spanked me when I was six?
I understand, and you always said next, thank you, thank you.
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We don't understand everything God puts in our life right now,
do we? Now? He's fine, He's infinite and we're finite.
I was forty years old and my son was six.
If a six year old can understand a forty year
old mind, it it's not very good. So I asked
him to trust that forty year old money because I
loved him. And God is infinite, infinite, and we're I'm
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seventy years old. I'm called to trust that infinite mind
who loves me. And so when things come in my way,
my first recipes would be, not your bitterness, someone's trying
to screw.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Me over, not any of this is why did this happen? I?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
No, no, no, there's purpose in every day in my
life and that purpose is being allowed by a God
who demonstrated his love for me.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Trust him. Now get to work, Yes, now get to work.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Now get to work.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know, fear God, Now get to work.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
It doesn't mean we rail over and die and who
we you know, I always said this. The greatest airplane
pilots ought to be believers, the greatest navy seals ought
to be believers. The greatest businessman ought to be believers.
You know why they ought to be believers because you
know what our days and our and and and and
the results of everything we do is already determined by God.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
And we're just being obedient to a God we love.
I love it anyhow, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I could go on and on and on and all that,
but it's you know, the other example I use all
the time about trust is you know the story of Jesus,
And there was that storm and the disciples were in
a boat and Peter. They're all worried, and all of
a sudden, Jesus is walk comes walking on the water,
and there's there's turbulence and why and Jesus calls Peter
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and he calls Peter out of the boat.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
He says, ah, love that did he call him out
of the boat to watch him drown?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
No? Why did he call him out of the boat
to do something special with his life like walk on water?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
And all Peter had to do was trust them. It
didn't make any sense. It made no sense what God
was asking him to do. But God will never do
anything remarkable with your life.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
And as he step out of the boat and trust
the God who died for you, and then you know
what happened.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
You'll walk on water. You walk on water. Amen? And
so the.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Trust part again. I could go on and on, but
that that was the second thing I mentioned. And uh,
the third thing I talked about was we mentioned it
briefly here already. But seeky first Matthew six thirty three,
The Kingdom of God.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
It's setting your priorities. You know, our identity has to
be in Christ, our idea.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
My son I coached baseball with my son and he says,
all the times of your identity is if you're at
bat well, your identity is going to be good thirty
percent of the time because you hit three okay, so
you know, are you win one for five to day
you're gonna think you stunk four times.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
In your identity. You just made an air I mean
your identity. It can't be in that.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
The only people whose identity is level is the people
whose identity is in Christ.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
What I want to just talk to you a little
bit about is our our new Embrace Fear curriculum that's
available on David Rutherford dot com. It's a part of
the Frog Logic Institute, which is going to be an
emerging group of of of core products or core curriculum
that I've been working on over the past thirty years.
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The first in line is learning to embrace your fear.
Fear is the number one emotion that impedes us from
achieving anything that we truly put want to put our
minds to right. It's that emotion that's wired in you've
been taught at your whole life. It's it's that that
one thing that you really have to get.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
A hold of.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Now here's the deal. There's no such thing as fearless.
So please go to David Brotherford dot com, check out,
go to courses, and sign up for your Embrace Fear Curriculum.
This is a five week or five month course. I
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and this course is designed not only to help you
understand your fear, to accept your fear, to begin to
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retrain your brain with the fear, to test your fear
every day, and then ultimately to live with courage and
to deal with your fear as a motivational component to
go help.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You achieve your purpose in life. So don't waste time.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Go to David brotherfor dot com and check out our
Brace Fear curriculum.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
That's why what I told you when they've started out,
I never questioned my identity.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
My dad told me my I Dinny was in God.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
My next identity I was his son, and the next
identity was I had a father that loved his mother.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And those three never changed. I wasn't three for ten
like the baseball guy. I was three for three every
single day.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
David, and my identity concept, I was three for three
every day as a sixteen year old kid. In my identity,
my God loved me, my dad loved me, my dad
loved my mom. And I never saw that change no
matter what my day was like. My day was God
awful sometimes, but my identity was in Christ. And then
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when that comes, you seek him in first. When your
identity is in him. You seek Him first in all
that you do. You don't seek you know. It's like
when you go to do something and saying and is
this pleasing to God? Okay, First, I'm doing something that's
pleasing to God. Next, I'm gonna take a lot of
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reps in the batting cageuse it's going to help me hit.
But it can't be displeasing to God. It's the business guy.
I gotta make this decision.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Okay. Is this pleasing to God?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
First?
Speaker 3 (38:23):
No, it's not. Then I don't care how much money
it's gonna make me. We're not doing this.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Is it pleasing to God? I mean seeking God first?
The Kingdom of God is righteousness. I am this is okay?
This aligns with core values? Okay, then I'm going after
that win and I'm going after that million dollar deal
harder than you are, harder than you are man, and
I will beat you. Justin Zella, I'll beat you because
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I lay on that.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Hot to hear roof how longer? But it's filtered through.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Does this match up with my core values that are
established because I'm a lever in the core values of scripture?
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Am I seeking.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
God's approval first? And that's that is so critical. It's
we would here, here's one thing. When I was at
weeting with these guys, we would split up into small
groups and we you know, we small groups met once
a week. We'd go on mission trips and we would
raise a couple hundred thousand dollars every year, and we
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would send eighty percent of our team. We required our
kids to go at least once other four years, but
we wouw eighty percent of our kids. We'd have eighty
to ninety kids every year, and we would we would
we would go to a part of the world where
there was a former player as a missionary to be
an encouragement to him. So we were in Africa and
Central America and South America and Eastern Europe and all
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over the place. And then we would be sometimes in
some areas here in the country. Wow, And we would
go and that had such a powerful influence on our kids' life, and.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So they learned how to serve. They learned what it
was like to serve others. And when you serve others
less fortunate, what you think is such a big problem
in your own life, very very very big. Amen.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
I would stand in our football field at the end
of a game our home field. Now, we went about
ninety percent of the games on our home field. I
mean there was a streak we'd lost six out of
like an eighty five year period. I mean we home period. Okay,
better not then we lost. Well, there's a train behind
that visitors stand. That was a commuter chain that would
go into the city. We're about forty five minutes outside
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the city of Chicago. The commuter chain would go in
the city. And here's what I would tell after every loss.
Guys are down and they were belly ache and they're
blaming others.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
You know, the whole world was falling apart. They're gonna
yell at their mom.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
You know whatever I said, here's what you need to
do everyone on this team, or if you're struggling this
loss so bad, Here's what I want to do. I
want you to take some money. I want you go
down to the grocery store. I want you to go
buy a bag of man or An oranges. I want
you buy a jar of peanut butter and a loaf
of bread. I want you to make some peanut butter sandwiches.
I want you to buy a case of water. I
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want you to put in your backpack. I want you
to get on that train. I want you to go
in the city.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I want you to feed the homeless for the next
two hours Saturday night. Wow. Okay, And when you come
back this loss, won't we need a hill of beans? Deal?
Because you have realized what count my blessing? Yes, seek
God first. Put everything through that perspective.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
And that's that's what all that does is it's a
football team that when we address loss, talk about seeking God.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
How can we serve God tonight? You know, we go
on these mission trips. These mission trips cost uswo hundred
thousand dollars a year. Well, if it's twenty years, that's
four million dollars. I could have built a heck of
a weighting room. Man. So I'm speaking to am, I'm speaking.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
To a group of coaches, and they're going, well, that
four hundred four million dollars you get, you spend it
on it.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
He says, yeah. He said, well, and.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
On Friday nights you have chapel and you don't practice.
I say, yeah, we sing and pray. We're seeking God first.
You mean, and you take you to go feed the homeless.
We're seeking God first?
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Your spring break, you're spending two hundred thousand dollars a
year ago. Yeah, we're seeking God.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
First he said, well, how are you ready to play
games on Saturday? If you've got if you're singing and
praying on Friday, if you're spring break and.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
You're I says here, why do your schedules? Can find
out if we're ready. Okay, you schedule.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Us because you don't want Our kids are fighting, and
you know this. Our kids are fighting for the cause
of Christ because they seek Christ. They're fighting for the
cause of their team. It translates down you're you were
in the military. You hire a mercenary, he's not going
to fight to death because he wants to spend his money.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
You hire someone's fighting for glory. He'll never fight to
the death because he wants to hear the applause.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
But the guy's fighting for cause he eyes because the
cause transcends his life. The money's not going to transcend
your life. The fame's not going to transcend your life,
but that flag will fran change your life. Never get
in a fight with someone's fighting for cause if you're
not fighting for it, because you lose every time. Now
there's good causes and bad causes. But you've put a
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cause first and seek God first.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
That's your cause.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
That's why we're doing this, that's why we're why we're
playing the way we play, That's why we live the
way we live. That's why we practice, because that's what
God would call us to do. For reject the philosophy
of the world Colossians two eight. You know, my dad
would send this to me. My first coaching job was
down in Atlanta, and I was at Westminster Prep School
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in Atlanta for from seventy eight to eighty four before
I came back to Wheaton when I was thirty, and
my dad would send me this verse and you'd send
me once a week through the Pony Express.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
He wasn't through an email. It wasn't through un tell
you nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
And then out of that existence he'd write in a
letters of the mail and I'd get it five days later,
And it said Colossians two eight. See to it that
no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception
according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary
principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. See
to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy
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and empty deception according to the tradition of men.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Wow, you know what.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
I read that every week from my father. You already
know the story my dad, so you know where it's
coming from.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, I read that every day.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And I'm gonna tell you something right now. If you
read Galatians six, don't be deceived. God will not be wocked.
You will reap what you saw one Corinthians three nineteen.
I will make foolish the wisdom of this world.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You know what we do. We don't reject the philosophy
of the world. We don't reject it.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
If you are ever going to be a difference maker,
you've got to reject the philosophy of the world.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Because the philosophy of the world is going to hell
in a handbasket.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
You have got to say, here is the philosophy, if
we call philosophy, but here is my faith. My faith,
and my perspective and my core values and my roadmap
does not come from the philosophy of the world. It
comes from scripture, unchanging two thousand year old scripture that
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has stood the test of time and has never changed.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
That's what I'm going to base my life on. But
we don't.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
We do not reject the philosophy of the world because
we don't fear God.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Because we don't trust God.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
The are all they piggyback, they overlap, they layer each
other because we don't trust God.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So my question to you is who are you listening to? Yes,
who are you listening to? You listen to that Instagram
post your Twitter account. I can't even spell Instagram. I
can't even Twitter.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
I can't even spell Facebook. I've never even been on them.
I don't even care. I don't even care. I don't
even care. The only reason I have Instagram, I tell
you events.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I take that back.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
The only Instagram account I've ever even seen in is
the Instagram Acount of my kids when they put post
pictures of.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
My grandkids of what they're doing that day. So I
look at theirs. I've never been on Twitter.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
I don't even know what Twitter is. I'm the village idiot.
I'm just a long hair, dumb football coach man, That's
all I am. But I'm telling you something is who
are you listening to that will that's going to determine
your destiny? And in Scripture it says see to it
that you don't be taken captive by the rudimentary, elementary
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principles of the world of man rather than according to Christ.
You can just see how this layers. And you can
see how the businessman fails on a Friday night when
he's got.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Alcohol in him mm hmm. You can see how it fails.
He can rise to the occasion. He has no shot
to rise the occasion. He in fearing God. He's not
seeking God.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
He's reading his Instagram account. He doesn't trust God. Well,
you know what's gonna have?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You gonna fail? So am I going to fail?
Speaker 4 (47:17):
That Navy seal is not going to execute that assignment
if he hasn't prepared himself, he's had no shot. He'd
be like a dude off the street with a three
piece sudo. He his head going off in the first
five minutes of the event. You know, it's it's this
isn't rocket.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Science, it really is not.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
And and just like that navy soit you got to
have these things that are regularly happening in your life
so when that moment comes, you're prepared and so you'll
stand tall, you won't fall, and and they're they're critical.
And then the fifth one here and I know we
we we got to go.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
But the last one good, you're good coach.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Rolling.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
It's it's the last one is is I do it earlier?
Don't forget the cost of your salvation. If you never
forget the cost of your.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Salvation, you know what happened. You never be unfaithful.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
I've already talked about my son becoming you know, if
we're gonna put him in front like on Eastern But
here's the thing, this is why, this is what grind
My dad was World War two vet. You say in
a country, that's what grinds me when Memorial Day and
some of these days are abused, because.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
You know what happens when you forget the cost of
your freedom. You lose it. You lose it when you forget.
Don't forget.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Do not forget the cost of your salvation. And here
in the United States, do not forget the price that
was paid. So you and I can talk today because
you know what happens. We forget, we forget, and that's
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the sad thing. You know, Like I said, if if if,
if I if my son David had died for you,
and this is a different kind of death. You were
in the military. This is a different kind of death.
When a guy just out of reaction and because you're
his combat brother, jumps on, are gonna aid or shields
a bullet? I mean premeditatively, okay, I mean this is
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this is not in common.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
This is premeditatively. Okay. I might die for someone in.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
A in a combat zone, but premeditatively. I've said this
many times. I die for like, well, before my kids
got married, I always say this, I die for four people. Premeditatively.
I die for my wife, my three kids. Those the
only people I die for. Now, if I was in
war something, you're right, you know, because you're you're, you're, you're,
you're gonna be favd.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
But I mean pre mented.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
You know why, because I don't want my kids to
go a lot of father and so just to premeditatively plan,
I'm just going to choreograph this so David can live if.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
I did that, Like I said, would you ever for
get the cost for you to live?
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Now?
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Translate that to the next level.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
These soldiers that have done it at the next level,
not the level of Christ, but the next level. But
we forget on both accounts, and we don't talk to God,
we don't talk to God, do we ever? We don't
thank God. We don't trust God. You can see how
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these others start happening. We don't fear God.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
We don't do any of this because we forgot what
he did for us. We forgot. We forgot the cost
that was paid so that we can coach football, so
that you can speak at first trust, so we can
be on the air here. We forgot, and we think
it's just a right for God.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
We're going to heaven. I've said this many times, David,
You and I deserve hell. You know what we get heaven? Heymen,
we get heaven. Not to say anything we did.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
We get heaven.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
He's a God put his son in a cross and
shed his blood for our sin.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
See that blood.
Speaker 4 (51:26):
All we got to do is accept his blood in
place of our blood. That bloods for everybody, black, white,
don't matter.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
That blood is for every human being because all of
our blood's red, so his blood is.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
We just got to say, will you take your son's
blood in my place?
Speaker 3 (51:46):
And God said I'll take it. And you know what happens.
We become a child of God. God.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
And as long as we don't forget that, we don't
forget that everything else will fall into place.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
We'll fear God, we'll seek him, we'll trust him. Well,
we won't. We'll reject the Who are you going to
listen to the guy that died for you? The yo
yo out there wants an Instagram hit? I mean, who
are you listening to? What I'm listening to? Twitter? Dude,
You're not listening to the guy who died for you?
What about your own son? I mean, what if?
Speaker 4 (52:21):
What about the soldier, like I said, who died and
then and his parents or his buddy ask you to
do something and you'd rather.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Come on, man, this is rocket science.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, it really is not, you know, And so you know,
I just I could go on and on so many
things here, David, But you know those things. I think
those are the things that you you asked me to
share on and I could. I could speak an hour
and each of them. But there's so many other things.
But those are the five things that I happened at
that chapel talk point. He took twenty one minutes, and
we've been on for forty. Coach you, but those are
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the five things that they've got to be going on
in your life, and coaches, those are five things you
better be living.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
And if you ain't living them, don't try to teach them.
Don't even try to teach them.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
If you're living them, then demand them and and and
and and like I said, there, you're you're you're gonna
get people that respond to you because they want to
because you're living them, and uh and and so that
would be my my justt to you, guys is is
live these things out and remember you could see God tomorrow.
So if you live them out and you're gonna see
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God tomorrow, man, your players will buy into them. And
then those players, you know what they'll do. They'll play
for you. They'll play for you. There's a thousands of
other reasons they'll play for you. I could go into,
I could go into a lot of other reasons why
they play for you, but they'll they'll play for you
and your business guys, they'll work for you. They'll stay
up later and and it's your life. Before you try
to teach those five things or demand them from your players,
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make sure you're living them. And the only way you'll
live them if is if you believe you're gonna see
God tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
Amen, coach.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
It's not often that somebody leaves me speechless. I could
tell you that, my wife could tell you that for sure,
but I just uh, you know, hearing you in person,
you know, deliver those five things again has made that
video ever even hit me even heavier than it did.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Watching it the first time.
Speaker 1 (54:28):
And I know, and I watch this and listen to
this again, and I just hope and pray that the
people that listen to this show and hear what you're
saying to them that it just uh that seed, they
allow that seed to be planted in their heart and
their soul because I know that you know, your words
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are coming from your faith and coming from how you
live your life, and as a person who's talked to
you know twenty plus of the men that you influence
and how they live their lives and how they act
as men in their communities, and you know, and the
and the lessons that they portray, you know, through your
word and through the word of God as it's been transformational,
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and the people that they impact and the people that
you know, we've tried to impact in our lives. And
I know this is truth. So once again, coach Uh,
I can't thank you enough. I'm beyond honored to have
had you on my show and I'm looking forward to
the next time you come back, sir.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Well, it'd be It'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (55:33):
Man. It's it's like I said, you know, it's as
iron sharpens iron. And I want to publicly thank you
for your service to our country, for the sacrifices you
made for your family had to make for what you did,
and know that there are people out there that recognize
that and appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
And I hope you ever put your head on a pillow.
Speaker 4 (55:53):
At night and feel like your service to our country
was in vain because there's one guy right here you're
talking to that appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Well, thank you very much, sir. All Right, God bless
your coach.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
Thank you so much. You have a great day, David
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