October 9, 2025 • 36 mins
Hour 1 of today’s Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show dives into breaking news about a historic Middle East peace agreement brokered by President Donald Trump. The hosts analyze Trump’s announcement of a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, which includes the imminent release of hostages held since the October 7, 2023 terror attacks.
According to Trump, approximately 20 hostages are still alive, and their return is expected Monday, alongside the remains of others who perished in captivity. Clay and Buck emphasize the monumental nature of this deal, calling it one of the most transformative peace efforts in modern history.
The discussion explores Trump’s unique ability to negotiate across traditional divides, earning praise even from critics like Washington Post columnist David Ignatius. The hosts highlight Trump’s plan to address the Israeli Knesset, the formation of a “Council of Peace” to oversee Gaza’s rebuilding, and the broader implications for global diplomacy, including potential progress in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. They also tackle the controversy surrounding Trump’s possible Nobel Peace Prize candidacy, arguing that motivations matter less than results when world peace is at stake.
Clay and Buck examine the cognitive dissonance among Trump’s detractors, particularly those who previously labeled him as a threat to global stability. They underscore Trump’s pragmatic approach—focused on commerce and results rather than ideology—which has enabled him to gain trust from both Israel and key Arab nations. The conversation also addresses enforcement challenges, the role of Arab states in Gaza governance, and the weakening of Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah following recent U.S. and Israeli actions.
Hour 1 closes with lighter moments, including humorous banter about shopping mishaps and culinary adventures, but the dominant theme remains clear: this is a pivotal moment for peace in the Middle East, with Trump at the center of negotiations that could reshape global geopolitics.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We are back together on the same show, and it
is one that is filled with tons of news, most
of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as
he has continued his world tour and we've got a
speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening,
so that will be very fun. But right off the top,
(00:29):
President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope
is a lasting peace arrangement.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will
monitor and see what additional news is outstanding there. But
let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown.
Monday is expected to be the day for the return
of the living hostages that have been held now for
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over two years, since the October seventh, twenty twenty three
terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears
that there are around twenty different hostages that are still
alive and they've been held in the most extreme, awful
conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems
(01:25):
likely to happen. There has also been a cease fire
agreed to in Gaza, and let me play a couple
of cuts here. Cut one is President Trump on the
phone with the hostage family members. You can listen to
them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know
that their family members are coming home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Cut one, President of.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Trump, you have the best crowd in the world. What
do you guys have to say to President Trump?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This is amazing, mister President. We believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We know you've done so much for us over the
past since you became a president, even before that, and
we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every
forty eight of the hostages are home.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Blessed be the Peacemaker.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
God, bless you, mister President.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You just said here yourselves, the hostages will come back
there coming coming back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Buck. Here's my big takeaway here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They have spent a decade telling all of us that
are Trump supporters that we are Nazis, that Trump is
Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing
with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue
to enact against the people of Israel. That is, the
(03:03):
Muslim fundamentalist, the Islamic terrorists. They are going to continue
to attack, but to the extent that we can have
some form of normalcy return to the Middle East and
for Trump to get these hostages home. We hope and
pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones that
are still alive, I think twenty expected to still be alive.
(03:24):
Twenty eight bodies that are still being held, is my understanding.
Of those forty eight that number there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This would be one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle East peace agreements
that has ever been entered into by any president Israel.
As I know, I was over there in December, and
as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is
the most popular American president probably in the history of
Israel being a country. And this is a moment that
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I think many of us believed was likely to occur,
and it's one that should provoke a great deal of
cognitive dissonance in the minds of all the people who
have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's
going to bring about World War three. This is an
incredible accomplishment and Trump and his entire team should be
praised to the high heavens, regardless of what partisan lens
(04:16):
you've viewed this from. This is not just a home run.
This is an upper deck grand slam. If it comes
to fruition, that would lead to one of the greatest
outcomes for peace in the history of any of our lives.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate
on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen
some of this clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's
wrong ninety nine times, if they're right on the hundredth
you know, even if he's doing it just because just
because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at
him over this, But they have to admit that a
(04:48):
win is a win. As they say online, a win
is a win. You got to take the win, take
the w here, and I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
To view this.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The deal is in phases.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Our sense of this should follow, meaning it is enormously
it is enormous progress. It is enormously encouraging that the
war is coming to a stop, a cease fire. This
is actually happening right that there won't be bloodshed unless
at this point, if Hamas were to blow this deal
(05:20):
up at this stage, Israel's just gonna hunt them all
down and kill them. Also, I don't think that they're
going to do that. This is going to save lives.
The fact that the hostages are going home, the fact
that Israel is trading for forty eight total, including some
the remains of hostages. Can I also note here all
the hostages should be alive. Yes, this is something that
(05:42):
doesn't get enough. These hostages were in the custody of Hamas.
They could have kept them all alive. Something I'm going
to keep returning to here, Clay, these are not Israel
and Hamas are not morally equivalent, nowhere near it as entities.
This is a situation. People can say it is simplistic,
but in terms of the combatants involved here it is
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good guys and bad guys.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Israel are the good guys. That is just reality.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
But the war coming to an end is obviously an
enormously encouraging a humanitarian step.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And Trump was the guy able to get this done
because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm,
which is you have to beat your either pro Israeli
or your pro Muslim pro Arab and you know, anti
Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks down.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
With Trump.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
It's no hold on, guys. I just have a goal here.
I want this thing to be done. I'm willing to
push and make concessions and deal make for both sides.
It's enormously you know, enormously encouraging, and I'm very, very
pleased the President has gotten this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is
President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity Show last night.
Here he is cut a You heard him say the
hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he
is speaking in more detail. We should also say, before
replace some of these things, there are people who want
war to continue. There are many of them, and so
it wouldn't stun me or shock me if there are
(07:15):
after effects sort of post action agreement that is designed
to try to derail this between now and then. In fact,
I think we should expect them before we place some
those cuts. Can I just throw as an addendum to
what you just said, there are American democrats, There are
(07:35):
leftists in our country who truly would rather see this conflict,
which they call a genocide. Mind you, it is not
a genocide, but they call it a genocide.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
If they had their choice, they would rather the quote
unquote genocide continue. Then Trump get the credit for ending this,
which tells you a lot about the people involved. A
lot of people who are saying cease fire within hours
of the initial October seventh terrorist attack, which was a
bad faith. Israel's not allowed to defend itself, maneuver Clay
(08:05):
all of a sudden, cease fires or suspect to them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Isn't that so strange? Yeah, And you would think if
you truly believe that a genocide were occurring, that you
would take to the streets to celebrate. Have there been
celebrations from the pro Palestindian activists. Again, they don't want peace,
they want a perpetual war. So my concern is a
terrorist actor will try, probably multiple of them, to stage
(08:29):
attacks to derail this peace process. But here's Trump talking about,
as you laid out, Buck, this is a multi step process.
There are many different actions that have to be undertaken.
But Hamas turning over the hostages is basically the end
of Hamas being able to bargain in any way. The
reason they took these two hundred and fifty hostages in
(08:50):
the first place was so they could continue to bargain
in some way with Israel. This was very intentional on
their part. Once the hostages and the bodies. Unfortunately, as
you said, Buck, of those hostages whose lives were lost
while they were in captivity, once all of that is
turned back over, Hamas has no bargaining power left again.
(09:11):
This is why they took these hostages. But this is
Trump last night on Sean Hannity's show Cut eight.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think you're going to see all of that disappear.
I think you're going to see people getting along and
you'll see guys are being rebuilt. We're forming a council
that the Council of Peace. We think it's going to
be called, and it's going to be very powerful, and
it's going to really, I think, to a large extent,
it's going to have a lot to do with the
(09:38):
whole Gaza situation. People are going to be taken care of.
It's going to be a different world. I think. Really
the Middle East came together amazingly, they came together. You know,
they have some countries with extraordinary wealth and just spending
a small portion of that wealth can do so much
for that area. So will we'll be involved in it,
but the big thing, as hostages are going to be released,
(10:02):
it's probably our time would be probably Monday, and.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed. The
last I saw is that Trump is going to travel
to the Middle East and address the Israeli legislature the
Knesset in person for the first time since George Bush Senior,
sorry Bush junior, George W. Bush, since he spoke in
(10:29):
two thousand and eight. So all of this is potentially transformative. Again,
there are many different steps that it must be followed,
but Trump said he was going to bring peace here.
If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel
Peace Prize. I also think this then we'll put more
of a attention on the Ukraine Russia conflict to see
(10:52):
if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace
to the world within the first year of his presidency.
This is pretty impressive. Even you mentioned it, Buck, even
people who hate Trump. The Washington Post David Ignatius h
said ignacious, ignacious, No way this would have happened if
(11:13):
it were not for the for Trump's particular action. When
you get in praise from the Washington Post, that's a
sign that that you've upset. The Apple card of expectations cut.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
To the deal that President Trump is announcing played a
key part in negotiating. Is a significant change. This scar
was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him,
was unable to find a way to stop it. President
Trump found that found that way by being tough on
both sides.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
And you'll take a victory lap for sure over the
next few days, but it's it's deserved.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There's no way that I can.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
See that this would have been done without Trump's pressure
in the final hours.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is
not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's worked
explicitly against the Trump administration and Trump himself in the
past as really an activist journalist. But I would say
this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People
will sometimes draw the line at saying things that everybody
will recognize sounds dumb and anybody who can't admit that
(12:21):
this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but
a huge win for really everybody of good faith in
the Middle East, here at home around the world. A
war coming to a terminus and people no longer dying
is a good thing, and Trump's role in this is
undeniable and he deserves about and maybe the Nobel Peace Prize,
although we should talk about I have a theory about
(12:42):
the Nobel Peace Prize component of this.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm sure you do too. We'll get to that. I'm
curious how many people, actually, let's just say Jewish in particular,
do any of them that have been so virulently anti Trump,
primarily in the United States, not in Israel itself.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
How do they react to this?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Have you been telling everybody for a decade, this guy
is Hitler two point zero? At some point do you
recognize that you're the bad guy and that you've been
wrong about everything?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Or is it too difficult to.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Acknowledge that you've been wrong such that the I don't
even know how you address this?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do they have the tweels to acknowledge?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Yeah, it's weird to say you would think that Trump
is hit is Hitler like except for the fact that
the Jewish state would tell you almost universally, Trump is
the greatest ally they've had in the Oval office in
our lifetime. That's a weird that's a weird circle to square,
you know, that's a tough one to make sense of
(13:43):
And this is why people the cognitive dissonance that is
necessary to be a Democrat, and as you point out,
a to be a liberal American Democrat jew who thinks
that Trump is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Hitler is a bizarre place to be, but that exists.
There's plenty of how yeah, you're right, And I just wonder,
because I try to be hyper rational, what are they
thinking this morning as they wake up, and what are
they going to be thinking when Trump, hopefully on Monday,
is able to return these hostages after two years in
captivity and that to actually end.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
They're gonna say that the war was basically coming to
an end anyway, and that Trump is taking You know,
they'll always you can always.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Find a way, man.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You can always come up with some rationalization for your
hate or your disdain. Let's remember, it's not Trump analysis syndrome.
It's Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I think that's where they are. But bringing peace
to the Middle East is a tough one to square
with the Hitler with the Hitler talk. Even for them,
I think this is a boy, maybe he's not pure evil,
and maybe I'm the bad guy historically.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now, I mean, you would.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 1 (16:10):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we have the
good news today to celebrate and talk to all of
you about of the peace deal agreed to between Israel
and Hamas.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
The return of hostages is imminent. We are told that
it will happen. Trump just said, Clay, he's holding a
cabinet meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He's got our friends Sectef, Hegseeth and Sex State Rubio
right next to him. They flank him on both sides.
But he says it's gonna happen Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It was the latest.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
So that is in process that there will be now
some in some cases it will be remains, so they'll
be closure for those families.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
But obviously that's not.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
What we wanted to see. We wanted to see people
returned alive. There will be some hostages though in this agreement,
whom will be returned alive to their families. And that's
a a incredibly joyous and wonderful thing. And this has
all happened because of the Trump team, because of Howard Lutnik,
because of the people around him who have been pushing
(17:12):
the combatants here or pushing the two sides of this
conflict lay to come to this resolution, and we should
talk about what the steps are. I mean, this is
it's a very good day. There's still a lot of
work to be done, though, once the war ends.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
One hundred percent, and again, there are going to be
a lot of actors that have ill intent that are
I think, going to try to derail this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And I would just point out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
All those people have been marching demanding a ceasefire and
then there's a genocide going on. Where are they wouldn't
they be Would they be celebrating like so excited? Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Some of them, some of them honestly are upset at
the ceasefire because it gives Trump too much credit.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's the that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
They would rather the war continue than Trump get the
credit for the ceasefire that they've been demanding.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
For two years. They've been demanding this. Oh.
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
One of the attacks that's being leveled against Trump is
all he cares about is winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
So you said you had a theory on this I'll
give you my theory. I'm curious if we overlap here.
Who cares if?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, if your.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Motivation is public acclamation and it leads to world peace,
isn't that what awards should be based on. I mean,
shouldn't they incentivize good behavior? So I don't think this
is true. I think Trump just genuinely wants there to
be peace. But if an award is designed to make
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you a better version of yourself, and in some way
you are motivated because of that award to pursue better
versions of yourself, whether it's hey, I want to be
the MVP of a league, whether it's going to be
I want to be the best salesperson at this company
because I want the commendation and the public acclaim that
comes with that award. Isn't that what awards should be for?
(20:06):
So I don't even understand the attack. Oh, he's only
motivated by a international.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Award of World Peace.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, isn't that why the International Award of World Peace
should partly exist to incentivize people to pursue world peace?
Even if that were the case, which I don't buy, it,
actually seems like this would be a positive result.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
If somebody cured cancer, and it's because they wanted to
make a lot of money and be famous. I think
we could still just celebrate them curing cancer and not
care about what their specific motivation was. The point is
the great achievement. The point is not trying to get
into the psychology. And I agree with you as well.
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I think that Trump is a far more humane person.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
We know this.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He's a far more humane person than his detractors give
him credit for. He's actually a very very warm and
friendly and engaging guy. And you know, he's a dad,
he's a grandfather, and we've seen that side of him too,
I me and you and I have seen that up
close many times. But my other part of the theory, Clay,
is the Nobel Peace Prize. I want Trump to maybe
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get it. I don't care if he does or not,
just because it is in some way the ultimate troll
of the establishments. It is the ultimate troll of the
globalist elite that the guy that they have been telling
us for a decade now going on a decade is
Orange Hitler is actually a Nobel laureate for the Peace Prize, notheless,
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and for a clear accomplishment. Even Obama's big fans had
to say, I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Know if he should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You know, they had to admit that that the award
was never the same after that too. It was clearly
just a kind of absurd. I do not like, as
a general rule, people on the right in our country,
conservatives caring about I don't want us vying for Pulitzers.
I don't want us caring about Nobel prizes because these
(22:11):
things don't actually matter, and they have been so politicized
for so long that I don't think we should seek
them out. But in Trump's case, I'll make an exception
because it'll just make all the right people so angry.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It would be, and i'd by I don't think they'll
give it to.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Him, and I think that it would be too much
of an endorsement of Trump and too much of a
cognitive as we talked about earlier continy. They will not
give it to him, by the way. They will not
do that for all the people who have spent so
long telling us that he was not going to bring peace,
but would in fact bring World War three to the
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nation if he were in office. But I do think
even that criticism in some ways is a is a
desperate hail Mary attempt to refuse acknowledging the truth, which
is the first ten months of Trump two point zero
has been one of the most consequential, successful first years
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that we have seen in any presidential term in any
of our lives. And I think it's fair to start
if you want to analyze Trump, I think it's fair
to start comparing Trump two point oh to Trump one
point zero, and Trump two point zero is infinitely more
significant and far more impactful on all fronts than Trump
(23:32):
one point oh was. And I do think it's worth
pointing this out too. If Trump had taken office in
twenty twenty for a second term sworn in in twenty
twenty one, he would have been nowhere near as impactful
in changing the culture as he was letting Biden be
in office for four years and then coming back in.
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I think the real challenge that they're facing here is
many of the people who have spent a decade lecturing
us that we were on the wrong side of history,
if they're being honest with themselves, are having a recognition
that they were wrong about all of this and that
they're actually the bad guys. And in order to avoid
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having to recognize that they were wrong about everything and
that they misidentified and misattributed motivations for Trump. They're now
grasping at straws to come up with reasons why things
that are great for everyone are not in reality great,
and Buck, you hit on something that I think is
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important here. What Trump has managed to do is be
both beloved by Israel and beloved by many different Arab countries.
That's pretty difficult to pull off. In fact, almost no
one has ever been able to do it. And I
think the reason he has been able to pull it
off is he connects with the Arab community to a
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large extent on business. They just see each other. There's
not a religious component to it. I'm not trying to
wade into the war of religion here. They just see
it from a capitalistic perspective. Those guys are trying to
build buildings, They're trying to build legacies from a capitalistic perspective.
Trump respects it. They respect his ability to have done that.
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And on the Israel front, I think Trump, because you
can speak to this having grown up in New York City,
I think he sees and has a great affinity for
Jewish people his daughter is Jewish, his grandchildren are Jewish,
and son in law is Jewish. Son in law is Jewish.
He's not primarily addressing this from a religious prism. He
(25:43):
just wants everybody to be have peace in the Middle East.
And it's pretty remarkable, honestly.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Well, the fact that he is a results driven guy
who is very you know, what have you done for
me lately in his approach to these things, And that's
a good thing. It's not ideological for him, to your point.
It's not about some deep seated desire to prove one
side right or wrong or to He just wants them
to stop killing each other and to stop the warfare
(26:12):
from happening. And now, to be clear, these are not
morally equivalent sides Hamas and Israel. But Trump's perspective on
this is it's the same thing with Russia, UKRAINI my dad.
It's not morally equivalent there either, But we just want
people to stop dying on that battlefield. That is the
most pressing issue. One thing that I would say though
with all of this is Hamas cannot be allowed to
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stay in charge. That is the for me, and it's
now as part of the deal that is part of
the deal, but there has to be an understanding of
that's a redline. Israelis did not go through all this
for two years. The IDF has not fought this this
war for two years and done all of the things
that they have done to severely destroy Hamas capabilities so
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that they can just play this game once again on
the Hamas side of we're gonna take We're gonna sell
the aid on the black market, we're gonna build up
you know, we're gonna have very rich Hamas leadership. Everybody
else is poor, and we're gonna smuggle in missiles again.
That cannot happen, okay, because we didn't go through the
last two years for that to happen again. But that
means that there has to be accountability on the Hamas
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side too. If they start breaking the agreement, there's going
to have to be enforcement of that agreement. I know
Trump knows this, but I just think we have to
keep that in mind too, because otherwise this is just
the cycle continuing with a little bit of a pause.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think that's why the goal is to have Arab
countries involved in Gaza governance because and I know it's
in the weeds but there is some sort of board
that is supposed to be involved in the governance of Gaza,
and that that's why you want to have countries like
Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Bahrain at places where commerce,
(28:08):
I would say, is what to a large extent is
the motivation the UAE as opposed to religion. And what
I mean by that is Iran is a religious theocracy
and it has fallen behind places like Saudi Arabia. Not
to say that certainly Saudi Arabia is not a religious country,
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just that if you're looking around in those countries, if
you're Iranian, your country and your civilization was one of
the strongest in the Middle East for thousands of years
the Persian people. And now you're looking at Saudi Arabia
and the UAE and Katar and all these other countries
that have completely dominated you. Now, yes they have oil,
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but Iran has oil, and I think that's a difficult
position to be in, which is why Trump, again connecting
on the commerce side with many of these Arab countries,
wants there to be rational peace because if you can't
have you can't have successful commerce without peace. And the
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Arab countries buy and large. I think a lot of
them get that, and that's why they need to be involved.
Whereas Amas is basically convinced that for thousands of years
they're going to be in a perpetual war with Israel. Iran,
I think, is on that perspective, but a lot of
the Middle Eastern countries are not anymore. And that's why commerce,
maybe not with religion, but commerce could start to be
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connective tissue here.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think that's what Trump has seen.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Well, these Middle Eastern countries. Remember, there's the Sunni Shia
divide that has increasingly, i think opened up opportunities for
the US in the region because Saudi's, for example, Iran
is a huge thorn in their side and all of
the Iranian activities in the region are problematic from the
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Sunni Arab perspective. This has been the case for a decade,
well forever, but certainly in recent decades we've seen how
this has played out. But Clay, one of the one
of the really encouraging such things that is playing out
as well is that in the aftermath of this deal,
the enemies of Israel, and really therefore the enemies of
broader diplomacy and stability in the region are more on
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their back foot. You know, they have been depleted, they
have been undermined more than at any time that I
can remember. Hesbola Hamas, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, all of
these different entities and everyone that they work with is
in a really weak spot right now because of the IDF,
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but also of course America coming in with the final
blow on the nuclear facilities, which was a very This
came up when I was talking to our Taiwanese allies.
Came up with the President of Taiwan, Clay last week
that the the action that Trump took all the nuclear
facilities was really encouraging to our allies around the world.
That America will still throw a knockout punch at the
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bully if it has to, and that Trump will certainly
do that when he has to. So there's a lot
of reason for optimism right now. We go into this
with our eyes wide open. You pointed out already there
are people, there are people in this country who are
they love ceasefire, and now they don't love ceasefire as much,
which tells you all you have to know about their
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ethics and morality.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
There are a few ways that this could go in
the wrong direction pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
But right now at least, this is a huge breakthrough,
and there's a lot of reason to believe that this
could continue to make the region much safer.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No doubt, we will talk about more of this. We'll
take some of your talkback. We're scheduled to be joined
by the way, I don't think we've said it yet
by Senator Tommy Tubberville of Alabama in the second hour
of the program, but you just heard. Israel and Amas
have agreed to one of a piece deal that President
Trump says will see the release of the remaining hostages,
twenty of whom we still believe are alive, along with
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the twenty eight who have been killed by Hamas. The
deal also has Israel withdrawing its troops from most of
Gaza in initiating a ceasefire with Hamas. Big moment for
peace and everyone will be holding their breath for the
next few days as it all plays out. Past two
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happens when Clay's out stays where he.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Was not expecting To look down at my phone and
see that Buck was talking about his roommate introducing him
to Polish sauceage, my mentions.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
My mentions all of a sudden got very feisty, and
I was like, oh God, here we go.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I was shopping with my wife Laura.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I looked down at my phone and and I just
couldn't stop laughing. I'm in a you know, women's clothing store.
First of all, awkward for any man to just if
you're you're not even able to go to the corner
of the store where there might be four men's shirts,
Like this store didn't even pretend that they cared about
men at all. So I'm already just kind of walking
around awkwardly in there, and then I just start giggling
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like a like a schoolboy.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Uh, they didn't have a husband chair for you. The
smart stores always have the husband chair, you know where
you said. It's pretty comfy too, if they if they
know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I was looking for the husband chair, but the husband
chair had boxes in it because they had recently gotten
a shipment. So I'm just standing around awkwardly. You know,
every woman's like you're in the way. You can't even
find the place in the store where you can go
and not be in the way of everyone else. And uh,
and I'm just standing there giggling at your Polish sausage commentary.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So so that was my uh.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I guess that was what Tuesday when you come to
best your Polish sausage.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
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or Don and Saint Louis bail us out? What have
you got for us from the road.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Hike guys, thank you for taking Mike all. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Great show as usual.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
You guys are the best. First of all, Clay, I
feel your pain. I went to go to the Trump
rally on the the Harry Truman this weekend with my son,
and because I didn't have a star on my license,
I was not allowed in.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So this is the real ID people out there. There's
a small contingent of us like we just can't get
in places where you're expected to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are able to get out.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Civilization requires adhering to rules. Gentlemen, We Floridians have real IDs.
You Tennesseeans need to get on the bandwagon. It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
At some point, I'm gonna have to go to the
DMV to get my star when we come back. Buck,
maybe you can confess your love of other sausages. Never
know what's going to mean.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Culinary delights are a frequent topic on this show, so
we will be back shortly with that and more
Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
We are back together on the same show, and it
is one that is filled with tons of news, most
of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as
he has continued his world tour and we've got a
speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening,
so that will be very fun. But right off the top,
(00:29):
President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope
is a lasting peace arrangement.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will
monitor and see what additional news is outstanding there. But
let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown.
Monday is expected to be the day for the return
of the living hostages that have been held now for
(01:04):
over two years, since the October seventh, twenty twenty three
terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears
that there are around twenty different hostages that are still
alive and they've been held in the most extreme, awful
conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems
(01:25):
likely to happen. There has also been a cease fire
agreed to in Gaza, and let me play a couple
of cuts here. Cut one is President Trump on the
phone with the hostage family members. You can listen to
them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know
that their family members are coming home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Cut one, President of.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Trump, you have the best crowd in the world. What
do you guys have to say to President Trump?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You did it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
This is amazing, mister President. We believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
We know you've done so much for us over the
past since you became a president, even before that, and
we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every
forty eight of the hostages are home.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Blessed be the Peacemaker.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
God, bless you, mister President.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You just said here yourselves, the hostages will come back
there coming coming back on Monday.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Buck. Here's my big takeaway here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
They have spent a decade telling all of us that
are Trump supporters that we are Nazis, that Trump is
Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing
with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue
to enact against the people of Israel. That is, the
(03:03):
Muslim fundamentalist, the Islamic terrorists. They are going to continue
to attack, but to the extent that we can have
some form of normalcy return to the Middle East and
for Trump to get these hostages home. We hope and
pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones that
are still alive, I think twenty expected to still be alive.
(03:24):
Twenty eight bodies that are still being held, is my understanding.
Of those forty eight that number there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
This would be one.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle East peace agreements
that has ever been entered into by any president Israel.
As I know, I was over there in December, and
as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is
the most popular American president probably in the history of
Israel being a country. And this is a moment that
(03:54):
I think many of us believed was likely to occur,
and it's one that should provoke a great deal of
cognitive dissonance in the minds of all the people who
have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's
going to bring about World War three. This is an
incredible accomplishment and Trump and his entire team should be
praised to the high heavens, regardless of what partisan lens
(04:16):
you've viewed this from. This is not just a home run.
This is an upper deck grand slam. If it comes
to fruition, that would lead to one of the greatest
outcomes for peace in the history of any of our lives.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate
on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen
some of this clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's
wrong ninety nine times, if they're right on the hundredth
you know, even if he's doing it just because just
because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at
him over this, But they have to admit that a
(04:48):
win is a win. As they say online, a win
is a win. You got to take the win, take
the w here, and I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
To view this.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
The deal is in phases.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Our sense of this should follow, meaning it is enormously
it is enormous progress. It is enormously encouraging that the
war is coming to a stop, a cease fire. This
is actually happening right that there won't be bloodshed unless
at this point, if Hamas were to blow this deal
(05:20):
up at this stage, Israel's just gonna hunt them all
down and kill them. Also, I don't think that they're
going to do that. This is going to save lives.
The fact that the hostages are going home, the fact
that Israel is trading for forty eight total, including some
the remains of hostages. Can I also note here all
the hostages should be alive. Yes, this is something that
(05:42):
doesn't get enough. These hostages were in the custody of Hamas.
They could have kept them all alive. Something I'm going
to keep returning to here, Clay, these are not Israel
and Hamas are not morally equivalent, nowhere near it as entities.
This is a situation. People can say it is simplistic,
but in terms of the combatants involved here it is
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good guys and bad guys.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Israel are the good guys. That is just reality.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
But the war coming to an end is obviously an
enormously encouraging a humanitarian step.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
And Trump was the guy able to get this done
because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm,
which is you have to beat your either pro Israeli
or your pro Muslim pro Arab and you know, anti
Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks down.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
With Trump.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
It's no hold on, guys. I just have a goal here.
I want this thing to be done. I'm willing to
push and make concessions and deal make for both sides.
It's enormously you know, enormously encouraging, and I'm very, very
pleased the President has gotten this.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is
President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity Show last night.
Here he is cut a You heard him say the
hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he
is speaking in more detail. We should also say, before
replace some of these things, there are people who want
war to continue. There are many of them, and so
it wouldn't stun me or shock me if there are
(07:15):
after effects sort of post action agreement that is designed
to try to derail this between now and then. In fact,
I think we should expect them before we place some
those cuts. Can I just throw as an addendum to
what you just said, there are American democrats, There are
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leftists in our country who truly would rather see this conflict,
which they call a genocide. Mind you, it is not
a genocide, but they call it a genocide.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
If they had their choice, they would rather the quote
unquote genocide continue. Then Trump get the credit for ending this,
which tells you a lot about the people involved. A
lot of people who are saying cease fire within hours
of the initial October seventh terrorist attack, which was a
bad faith. Israel's not allowed to defend itself, maneuver Clay
(08:05):
all of a sudden, cease fires or suspect to them.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Isn't that so strange? Yeah, And you would think if
you truly believe that a genocide were occurring, that you
would take to the streets to celebrate. Have there been
celebrations from the pro Palestindian activists. Again, they don't want peace,
they want a perpetual war. So my concern is a
terrorist actor will try, probably multiple of them, to stage
(08:29):
attacks to derail this peace process. But here's Trump talking about,
as you laid out, Buck, this is a multi step process.
There are many different actions that have to be undertaken.
But Hamas turning over the hostages is basically the end
of Hamas being able to bargain in any way. The
reason they took these two hundred and fifty hostages in
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the first place was so they could continue to bargain
in some way with Israel. This was very intentional on
their part. Once the hostages and the bodies. Unfortunately, as
you said, Buck, of those hostages whose lives were lost
while they were in captivity, once all of that is
turned back over, Hamas has no bargaining power left again.
(09:11):
This is why they took these hostages. But this is
Trump last night on Sean Hannity's show Cut eight.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I think you're going to see all of that disappear.
I think you're going to see people getting along and
you'll see guys are being rebuilt. We're forming a council
that the Council of Peace. We think it's going to
be called, and it's going to be very powerful, and
it's going to really, I think, to a large extent,
it's going to have a lot to do with the
(09:38):
whole Gaza situation. People are going to be taken care of.
It's going to be a different world. I think. Really
the Middle East came together amazingly, they came together. You know,
they have some countries with extraordinary wealth and just spending
a small portion of that wealth can do so much
for that area. So will we'll be involved in it,
but the big thing, as hostages are going to be released,
(10:02):
it's probably our time would be probably Monday, and.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
The expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed. The
last I saw is that Trump is going to travel
to the Middle East and address the Israeli legislature the
Knesset in person for the first time since George Bush Senior,
sorry Bush junior, George W. Bush, since he spoke in
(10:29):
two thousand and eight. So all of this is potentially transformative. Again,
there are many different steps that it must be followed,
but Trump said he was going to bring peace here.
If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel
Peace Prize. I also think this then we'll put more
of a attention on the Ukraine Russia conflict to see
(10:52):
if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace
to the world within the first year of his presidency.
This is pretty impressive. Even you mentioned it, Buck, even
people who hate Trump. The Washington Post David Ignatius h
said ignacious, ignacious, No way this would have happened if
(11:13):
it were not for the for Trump's particular action. When
you get in praise from the Washington Post, that's a
sign that that you've upset. The Apple card of expectations cut.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
To the deal that President Trump is announcing played a
key part in negotiating. Is a significant change. This scar
was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him,
was unable to find a way to stop it. President
Trump found that found that way by being tough on
both sides.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
And you'll take a victory lap for sure over the
next few days, but it's it's deserved.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
There's no way that I can.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
See that this would have been done without Trump's pressure
in the final hours.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is
not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's worked
explicitly against the Trump administration and Trump himself in the
past as really an activist journalist. But I would say
this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People
will sometimes draw the line at saying things that everybody
will recognize sounds dumb and anybody who can't admit that
(12:21):
this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but
a huge win for really everybody of good faith in
the Middle East, here at home around the world. A
war coming to a terminus and people no longer dying
is a good thing, and Trump's role in this is
undeniable and he deserves about and maybe the Nobel Peace Prize,
although we should talk about I have a theory about
(12:42):
the Nobel Peace Prize component of this.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm sure you do too. We'll get to that. I'm
curious how many people, actually, let's just say Jewish in particular,
do any of them that have been so virulently anti Trump,
primarily in the United States, not in Israel itself.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
How do they react to this?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Have you been telling everybody for a decade, this guy
is Hitler two point zero? At some point do you
recognize that you're the bad guy and that you've been
wrong about everything?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Or is it too difficult to.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Acknowledge that you've been wrong such that the I don't
even know how you address this?
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do they have the tweels to acknowledge?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Yeah, it's weird to say you would think that Trump
is hit is Hitler like except for the fact that
the Jewish state would tell you almost universally, Trump is
the greatest ally they've had in the Oval office in
our lifetime. That's a weird that's a weird circle to square,
you know, that's a tough one to make sense of
(13:43):
And this is why people the cognitive dissonance that is
necessary to be a Democrat, and as you point out,
a to be a liberal American Democrat jew who thinks
that Trump is.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Hitler is a bizarre place to be, but that exists.
There's plenty of how yeah, you're right, And I just wonder,
because I try to be hyper rational, what are they
thinking this morning as they wake up, and what are
they going to be thinking when Trump, hopefully on Monday,
is able to return these hostages after two years in
captivity and that to actually end.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
They're gonna say that the war was basically coming to
an end anyway, and that Trump is taking You know,
they'll always you can always.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Find a way, man.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
You can always come up with some rationalization for your
hate or your disdain. Let's remember, it's not Trump analysis syndrome.
It's Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I think that's where they are. But bringing peace
to the Middle East is a tough one to square
with the Hitler with the Hitler talk. Even for them,
I think this is a boy, maybe he's not pure evil,
and maybe I'm the bad guy historically.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Now, I mean, you would.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 1 (16:10):
Welcome back into Clay and Buck. So we have the
good news today to celebrate and talk to all of
you about of the peace deal agreed to between Israel
and Hamas.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
The return of hostages is imminent. We are told that
it will happen. Trump just said, Clay, he's holding a
cabinet meeting.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
He's got our friends Sectef, Hegseeth and Sex State Rubio
right next to him. They flank him on both sides.
But he says it's gonna happen Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
It was the latest.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
So that is in process that there will be now
some in some cases it will be remains, so they'll
be closure for those families.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
But obviously that's not.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
What we wanted to see. We wanted to see people
returned alive. There will be some hostages though in this agreement,
whom will be returned alive to their families. And that's
a a incredibly joyous and wonderful thing. And this has
all happened because of the Trump team, because of Howard Lutnik,
because of the people around him who have been pushing
(17:12):
the combatants here or pushing the two sides of this
conflict lay to come to this resolution, and we should
talk about what the steps are. I mean, this is
it's a very good day. There's still a lot of
work to be done, though, once the war ends.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
One hundred percent, and again, there are going to be
a lot of actors that have ill intent that are
I think, going to try to derail this.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And I would just point out.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
All those people have been marching demanding a ceasefire and
then there's a genocide going on. Where are they wouldn't
they be Would they be celebrating like so excited? Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:43):
Some of them, some of them honestly are upset at
the ceasefire because it gives Trump too much credit.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
That's the that's the truth.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
They would rather the war continue than Trump get the
credit for the ceasefire that they've been demanding.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
For two years. They've been demanding this. Oh.
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
One of the attacks that's being leveled against Trump is
all he cares about is winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
So you said you had a theory on this I'll
give you my theory. I'm curious if we overlap here.
Who cares if?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, if your.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Motivation is public acclamation and it leads to world peace,
isn't that what awards should be based on. I mean,
shouldn't they incentivize good behavior? So I don't think this
is true. I think Trump just genuinely wants there to
be peace. But if an award is designed to make
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you a better version of yourself, and in some way
you are motivated because of that award to pursue better
versions of yourself, whether it's hey, I want to be
the MVP of a league, whether it's going to be
I want to be the best salesperson at this company
because I want the commendation and the public acclaim that
comes with that award. Isn't that what awards should be for?
(20:06):
So I don't even understand the attack. Oh, he's only
motivated by a international.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Award of World Peace.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Well, isn't that why the International Award of World Peace
should partly exist to incentivize people to pursue world peace?
Even if that were the case, which I don't buy, it,
actually seems like this would be a positive result.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
If somebody cured cancer, and it's because they wanted to
make a lot of money and be famous. I think
we could still just celebrate them curing cancer and not
care about what their specific motivation was. The point is
the great achievement. The point is not trying to get
into the psychology. And I agree with you as well.
(20:48):
I think that Trump is a far more humane person.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
We know this.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He's a far more humane person than his detractors give
him credit for. He's actually a very very warm and
friendly and engaging guy. And you know, he's a dad,
he's a grandfather, and we've seen that side of him too,
I me and you and I have seen that up
close many times. But my other part of the theory, Clay,
is the Nobel Peace Prize. I want Trump to maybe
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get it. I don't care if he does or not,
just because it is in some way the ultimate troll
of the establishments. It is the ultimate troll of the
globalist elite that the guy that they have been telling
us for a decade now going on a decade is
Orange Hitler is actually a Nobel laureate for the Peace Prize, notheless,
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and for a clear accomplishment. Even Obama's big fans had
to say, I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Know if he should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
You know, they had to admit that that the award
was never the same after that too. It was clearly
just a kind of absurd. I do not like, as
a general rule, people on the right in our country,
conservatives caring about I don't want us vying for Pulitzers.
I don't want us caring about Nobel prizes because these
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things don't actually matter, and they have been so politicized
for so long that I don't think we should seek
them out. But in Trump's case, I'll make an exception
because it'll just make all the right people so angry.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
It would be, and i'd by I don't think they'll
give it to.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Him, and I think that it would be too much
of an endorsement of Trump and too much of a
cognitive as we talked about earlier continy. They will not
give it to him, by the way. They will not
do that for all the people who have spent so
long telling us that he was not going to bring peace,
but would in fact bring World War three to the
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nation if he were in office. But I do think
even that criticism in some ways is a is a
desperate hail Mary attempt to refuse acknowledging the truth, which
is the first ten months of Trump two point zero
has been one of the most consequential, successful first years
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that we have seen in any presidential term in any
of our lives. And I think it's fair to start
if you want to analyze Trump, I think it's fair
to start comparing Trump two point oh to Trump one
point zero, and Trump two point zero is infinitely more
significant and far more impactful on all fronts than Trump
(23:32):
one point oh was. And I do think it's worth
pointing this out too. If Trump had taken office in
twenty twenty for a second term sworn in in twenty
twenty one, he would have been nowhere near as impactful
in changing the culture as he was letting Biden be
in office for four years and then coming back in.
(23:55):
I think the real challenge that they're facing here is
many of the people who have spent a decade lecturing
us that we were on the wrong side of history,
if they're being honest with themselves, are having a recognition
that they were wrong about all of this and that
they're actually the bad guys. And in order to avoid
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having to recognize that they were wrong about everything and
that they misidentified and misattributed motivations for Trump. They're now
grasping at straws to come up with reasons why things
that are great for everyone are not in reality great,
and Buck, you hit on something that I think is
(24:37):
important here. What Trump has managed to do is be
both beloved by Israel and beloved by many different Arab countries.
That's pretty difficult to pull off. In fact, almost no
one has ever been able to do it. And I
think the reason he has been able to pull it
off is he connects with the Arab community to a
(25:00):
large extent on business. They just see each other. There's
not a religious component to it. I'm not trying to
wade into the war of religion here. They just see
it from a capitalistic perspective. Those guys are trying to
build buildings, They're trying to build legacies from a capitalistic perspective.
Trump respects it. They respect his ability to have done that.
(25:21):
And on the Israel front, I think Trump, because you
can speak to this having grown up in New York City,
I think he sees and has a great affinity for
Jewish people his daughter is Jewish, his grandchildren are Jewish,
and son in law is Jewish. Son in law is Jewish.
He's not primarily addressing this from a religious prism. He
(25:43):
just wants everybody to be have peace in the Middle East.
And it's pretty remarkable, honestly.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
Well, the fact that he is a results driven guy
who is very you know, what have you done for
me lately in his approach to these things, And that's
a good thing. It's not ideological for him, to your point.
It's not about some deep seated desire to prove one
side right or wrong or to He just wants them
to stop killing each other and to stop the warfare
(26:12):
from happening. And now, to be clear, these are not
morally equivalent sides Hamas and Israel. But Trump's perspective on
this is it's the same thing with Russia, UKRAINI my dad.
It's not morally equivalent there either, But we just want
people to stop dying on that battlefield. That is the
most pressing issue. One thing that I would say though
with all of this is Hamas cannot be allowed to
(26:35):
stay in charge. That is the for me, and it's
now as part of the deal that is part of
the deal, but there has to be an understanding of
that's a redline. Israelis did not go through all this
for two years. The IDF has not fought this this
war for two years and done all of the things
that they have done to severely destroy Hamas capabilities so
(27:03):
that they can just play this game once again on
the Hamas side of we're gonna take We're gonna sell
the aid on the black market, we're gonna build up
you know, we're gonna have very rich Hamas leadership. Everybody
else is poor, and we're gonna smuggle in missiles again.
That cannot happen, okay, because we didn't go through the
last two years for that to happen again. But that
means that there has to be accountability on the Hamas
(27:25):
side too. If they start breaking the agreement, there's going
to have to be enforcement of that agreement. I know
Trump knows this, but I just think we have to
keep that in mind too, because otherwise this is just
the cycle continuing with a little bit of a pause.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think that's why the goal is to have Arab
countries involved in Gaza governance because and I know it's
in the weeds but there is some sort of board
that is supposed to be involved in the governance of Gaza,
and that that's why you want to have countries like
Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Bahrain at places where commerce,
(28:08):
I would say, is what to a large extent is
the motivation the UAE as opposed to religion. And what
I mean by that is Iran is a religious theocracy
and it has fallen behind places like Saudi Arabia. Not
to say that certainly Saudi Arabia is not a religious country,
(28:29):
just that if you're looking around in those countries, if
you're Iranian, your country and your civilization was one of
the strongest in the Middle East for thousands of years
the Persian people. And now you're looking at Saudi Arabia
and the UAE and Katar and all these other countries
that have completely dominated you. Now, yes they have oil,
(28:53):
but Iran has oil, and I think that's a difficult
position to be in, which is why Trump, again connecting
on the commerce side with many of these Arab countries,
wants there to be rational peace because if you can't
have you can't have successful commerce without peace. And the
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Arab countries buy and large. I think a lot of
them get that, and that's why they need to be involved.
Whereas Amas is basically convinced that for thousands of years
they're going to be in a perpetual war with Israel. Iran,
I think, is on that perspective, but a lot of
the Middle Eastern countries are not anymore. And that's why commerce,
maybe not with religion, but commerce could start to be
(29:35):
connective tissue here.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think that's what Trump has seen.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
Well, these Middle Eastern countries. Remember, there's the Sunni Shia
divide that has increasingly, i think opened up opportunities for
the US in the region because Saudi's, for example, Iran
is a huge thorn in their side and all of
the Iranian activities in the region are problematic from the
(30:02):
Sunni Arab perspective. This has been the case for a decade,
well forever, but certainly in recent decades we've seen how
this has played out. But Clay, one of the one
of the really encouraging such things that is playing out
as well is that in the aftermath of this deal,
the enemies of Israel, and really therefore the enemies of
broader diplomacy and stability in the region are more on
(30:27):
their back foot. You know, they have been depleted, they
have been undermined more than at any time that I
can remember. Hesbola Hamas, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, all of
these different entities and everyone that they work with is
in a really weak spot right now because of the IDF,
(30:47):
but also of course America coming in with the final
blow on the nuclear facilities, which was a very This
came up when I was talking to our Taiwanese allies.
Came up with the President of Taiwan, Clay last week
that the the action that Trump took all the nuclear
facilities was really encouraging to our allies around the world.
That America will still throw a knockout punch at the
(31:09):
bully if it has to, and that Trump will certainly
do that when he has to. So there's a lot
of reason for optimism right now. We go into this
with our eyes wide open. You pointed out already there
are people, there are people in this country who are
they love ceasefire, and now they don't love ceasefire as much,
which tells you all you have to know about their
(31:30):
ethics and morality.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
There are a few ways that this could go in
the wrong direction pretty quickly.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
But right now at least, this is a huge breakthrough,
and there's a lot of reason to believe that this
could continue to make the region much safer.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No doubt, we will talk about more of this. We'll
take some of your talkback. We're scheduled to be joined
by the way, I don't think we've said it yet
by Senator Tommy Tubberville of Alabama in the second hour
of the program, but you just heard. Israel and Amas
have agreed to one of a piece deal that President
Trump says will see the release of the remaining hostages,
twenty of whom we still believe are alive, along with
(32:09):
the twenty eight who have been killed by Hamas. The
deal also has Israel withdrawing its troops from most of
Gaza in initiating a ceasefire with Hamas. Big moment for
peace and everyone will be holding their breath for the
next few days as it all plays out. Past two
years have been incredibly difficult, but through it all, America
has stood by Israel. One reason is because Israel represents
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the only true democracy in the Middle East, and they've
been a consistent ally of the United States since nineteen
forty eight, particularly when we needed friends in that part
of the world. Many Christians in America are standing with
Israel this month by participating in a growing movement created
by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews called the
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careful on some of your phrasing. I see when I
didn't expect you to come out as game. You don't
have to discuss the Polish sausage incident of October twenty
(34:25):
twenty five. We don't have to discuss this. Okay, you
were out, buddy, all right, so that's off limits. What
happens when Clay's out stays where he.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Was not expecting To look down at my phone and
see that Buck was talking about his roommate introducing him
to Polish sauceage, my mentions.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
My mentions all of a sudden got very feisty, and
I was like, oh God, here we go.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I was shopping with my wife Laura.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I looked down at my phone and and I just
couldn't stop laughing. I'm in a you know, women's clothing store.
First of all, awkward for any man to just if
you're you're not even able to go to the corner
of the store where there might be four men's shirts,
Like this store didn't even pretend that they cared about
men at all. So I'm already just kind of walking
around awkwardly in there, and then I just start giggling
(35:14):
like a like a schoolboy.
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Uh, they didn't have a husband chair for you. The
smart stores always have the husband chair, you know where
you said. It's pretty comfy too, if they if they
know what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I was looking for the husband chair, but the husband
chair had boxes in it because they had recently gotten
a shipment. So I'm just standing around awkwardly. You know,
every woman's like you're in the way. You can't even
find the place in the store where you can go
and not be in the way of everyone else. And uh,
and I'm just standing there giggling at your Polish sausage commentary.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So so that was my uh.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I guess that was what Tuesday when you come to
best your Polish sausage.
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or Don and Saint Louis bail us out? What have
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Speaker 4 (35:58):
Hike guys, thank you for taking Mike all. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Great show as usual.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
You guys are the best. First of all, Clay, I
feel your pain. I went to go to the Trump
rally on the the Harry Truman this weekend with my son,
and because I didn't have a star on my license,
I was not allowed in.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So this is the real ID people out there. There's
a small contingent of us like we just can't get
in places where you're expected to.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Are able to get out.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Civilization requires adhering to rules. Gentlemen, We Floridians have real IDs.
You Tennesseeans need to get on the bandwagon. It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
At some point, I'm gonna have to go to the
DMV to get my star when we come back. Buck,
maybe you can confess your love of other sausages. Never
know what's going to mean.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Culinary delights are a frequent topic on this show, so
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