July 16, 2025 • 41 mins
Hour 1 of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show dives into a dynamic mix of political commentary, economic analysis, and media critique. The hour opens with a major economic headline: the Producer Price Index (PPI) inflation rate has dropped to 2.3%, the lowest since September 2024. Clay and Buck emphasize how this undercuts mainstream economic forecasts and challenges the narrative that tariffs would drive inflation—highlighting a key win for the Trump administration’s economic policy. The conversation then shifts to President Donald Trump’s Oval Office remarks, where he hints at replacing Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell. Trump’s economic achievements—such as falling gas prices, a budget surplus in June, and record-high 401(k) values—are spotlighted as evidence of a booming economy. The hosts argue that these successes are being overshadowed by media distractions, particularly the renewed focus on the Jeffrey Epstein case. Trump’s labeling of the Epstein controversy as a “hoax” sparks a heated discussion. The hosts debate the administration’s communication strategy, criticizing Attorney General Pam Bondi and others for mishandling public expectations. They call for greater transparency and suggest a press conference to clarify the administration’s findings. The segment underscores how the Epstein narrative has become a political liability, detracting from Trump’s policy wins on the economy, border security, and crime. Listeners weigh in, expressing frustration over unfulfilled promises of transparency and the perception that the administration is backpedaling. The show also features a notable endorsement from Home Depot co-founder Ken Langone, who praises Trump’s presidency as potentially the best in U.S. history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. A lot of news today and
we're going to break it all down for you.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Here's a story. We have a media focus on this one.
Let's take a look here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
PPI Producer Price Index inflation falls to two point three
percent lowist reading since September twenty twenty four. Fifty fore
casters in the Bloomberg survey. We're wrong on this one.
The tariffs. The bottom line here, the tariffs not having
the inflationary effect that we were all pulled would happen,
(00:40):
and not having the price rise effect that we were
all told would happen. So that seems like a pretty big,
pretty big deal.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The economy thing's going well. Another story that may get
some attention. And President Trump, just to be clear, we're
monitoring it. We have our monitors going, we have our
team pulling from it in real time. President and Trump
is currently in the Oval Office and he is actually guys, can.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We join this live for a second here? Can we
try to join the president?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Let's find on free markets?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Those are report, but they're not true.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
What would be useful to know?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Are you?
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Are you committed to picking someone from the outside?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Are you going to inter interview individus? So many people
that want that job.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I have people that I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
They're calling me begging for the job. You know what
you need.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
They're a smart person with common sense, but you need
a very smart person.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
For that job. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I think it's so he's talking now about the FED chair,
which it looks like it is. Well, it is underway
that they're going to replace the FED share that process
has begun. Rates coming down. Well, the economy could be
just so fantastic, Clay, it's already strong, already looking good,
already proving his critics wrong on tariffs. Another story that
may gets some attention. Here a truth from President Trump,
(01:58):
and he was just asked about this. We're gonna bring
you that SoundBite here momentarily. But this, Clay, is is
what the President wrote, and I am I'm just gonna
read it. I'm gonna read it for this is from
the President of United States from his official account. The
radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like
with the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying
(02:19):
fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, which the
dem swar had come from Russia.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No, it came from Hunter's bathroom. And even the.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Russia Russia Russia scam itself totally fake, made up store
used in order to hide Crooked Hillary's big loss in
the twenty sixteen presidential election. These scams and hoaxes are
all Democrats are good at. It's all they have. They're
no good at governing, no good at policy. Their new
scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
And my past supporters have bought into this BS he
(02:48):
didn't write, BS, hook line, and sinker. They haven't learned
their lesson and probably never will. Even after being conned
by the lunatic left for eight long years. I've had
more success in six months and perhaps any president in
our history. Democrats are starved for things. The success Democrats
are starved for is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Make America great again? Clay, what do you make of it?
I don't understand why he keeps talking about it. I mean,
if you truly feel like this story is not a story.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
The number one thing to do is just move on and.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Not talk about it, because this is to me the
equivalent of a scab that Trump keeps ripping off. And
every time this happens, we get deluged with people that
are really upset with Trump over the way that he's
handling this. And I'm leaving aside the Epstein story for
the moment and purely talking about the communication associated with this. Okay,
(03:49):
so this is not Epstein based. It's been awful, Just
gonna be candid. Pam Bondi has been a disaster on this.
The fact that she gave all those influence and sirs
a Jeffrey Epstein binder, the fact that she said that
the Epstein files were on her desk. I understand why
that set forth the expectation that there were going to
(04:11):
be substantial results as a result of those public comments.
And then what is it ten days ago?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Ish they walk it back in a Sunday night post.
If I remember correctly, a release, Buck, you can correct me,
a team, you can correct me on the dates, because
everything kind of runs together. And now here we are
two weeks later and Trump continues to post about it.
I think he's upset that he is getting criticism on
this front. I think that Trump feels that he has
(04:42):
done nothing wrong and that Epstein is old news. He
killed himself six years ago. Democrats had this story for
years that they could have done something with in the
Biden administration. They didn't, And I think he believes that
this is a manufacturer hoax of a story. I think
he's being honest with his expectations.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's not going away.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And this is where again I'm addressing directly the management
related to it. We had the poor, I think, handling
of the initial situation by Attorney General Bondi. We then
had last week the report that Dan Bongino was basically
at loggerheads with the Attorney General's office and potentially was
going to leave. That seems to have been diffused. I
(05:29):
thought this story was kind of put to bed. I
woke up this morning in Atlanta and the number one
thing that's echoing all over the social media universe this
morning was Trump deciding to go after the Epstein story
again and tell anybody that basically doesn't believe him, hey,
go you know, I'm done with you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So that we have he was just asked about this
minutes ago, and so as we were coming on air.
He was mid answer, so we wanted to give you
the full answer. President Trump in the Oval Office with
a bab rainey Prime Minister Press gaggle goes right to Epstein.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Here's what he said. We're going to play the full answer.
Listen in.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
I really want to move past all this Atrey Lord
the FC files, but I do want to ask you
to clarify something you said this morning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You said this was all hoaks.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Has your attorne each other told you this was a hoax?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Whatever it is, it's not a journey, General, No, I
know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. It's been
run by the Democrats for four years. You had Christopher
Ray and these characters and call me before him, and
it's a bad group.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It started.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Actually, look at the Steele Dussier that turned out to
be a total hoax. The fifty one agency intelligence so
called intelligence agents, it was a hoax.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There's all been a big hoax.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
It's perpetrated by the Democrats, and some stupid Republicans and
foolish Republicans fall into the net and so they try
and do the Democrats work. The Democrats are good for
nothing other than these oases. They're bad for policy, they're
bad for picking candidates that can get elected. No, No,
it's all of the Epstein hooks.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Takes a lot of time and effort.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Instead of talking about the great achievements we've had.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A great gentleman.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Yesterday, a's you know when on CNBC and you made
the statement that Trump bago down is the greatest president
of all in the United States. And instead of talking
about the things we've achieved, We've had tremendous achievement, they're
wasting their time with a guy who obviously has some
very serious problems, who died three or four years ago.
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy,
(07:29):
the best we've ever had, and all of the things
we've done, including in the Middle East. I mean, you
see it. Instead they want to talk about the Epstein hooks.
And the sad part is it's people that are really
doing the Democrats work as stupid people, Clay.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
This is not going to make the issue go away.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't think people who are still upset about the
whiplash over the promise versus the presentation and that we
could all again, I don't want to go down the
Epstein rabbit hole right now. We could do that. I
mean people are doing that. You can do hours and
hours and hours on the Epstein case. But the way
this is being handled at this moment by the administration
has a lot of people scratching their heads and pretty frustrated.
(08:14):
And I think that frustration is completely fair. Well, look,
here's what I would say about the idea of the
Epstein hoax. I think it's an interesting idea, and I
think Trump probably does believe it. That this is a
continuation of the Russia collusion hoax, that this is a
continuation of the Steele dossier hoax, all these things that
(08:37):
Democrats were told, Hey, we're going to get Trump on this.
He sees it as connected. Here's where I would say
the difference is unlike those and I think you would
sign off on this too, like just making the analogy.
There was no real crime committed related to Russia. I
know they got a couple of people for lying to intelligence,
(08:59):
you know, during inn that was the whole thing was
a fabrication, a fantasy. Nobody was harmed in the making
of that movie, so to speak. It was just all
cra well, Trump was harmed in the event but I'm
saying there was no actual crime. There was no murder,
there was no nothing, nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We know there were yeah, we know there were crimes
related to Epstein. Right, So unlike Russia collusion, where it
is I think manufactured out of whole cloth. I don't
think anybody out there saying, hey, Jeffrey Epstein, j Elaine Maxwell,
they were totally innocent. This was manufactured. There's nothing associated
with it. Now, I and I get people are fired
(09:37):
up about this.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I actually think that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you look at the logic, if you look at
the logic, I don't buy that there's tons of information
that they are refusing to give to the American public.
I think that might be the frustration of Trump. That
is why to me, and I think I said this
last week, the only way to handle this is either
one just move on, just say hey, we got a
(10:02):
disference of opinions.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
We're not going to solve this.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But we're not seeing that right because the President put
out the statement that he did today. He just had
that statement that we played for you in the Oval office.
And so the second one is, I think you have
to just put out everything that you have. Now here's
the challenge as you well know this, Buck, whatever they
put out, there are going to be people who say
they're still holding things back. This is not all of it, right,
(10:29):
So the challenge you're in now is everyone who believes
that this is a massive, huge scandal that is decades
in the history, right building. They're not suddenly going to
believe if you give them a binder and push it
out publicly. And again, I don't know who advised Pambondi, Buck,
(10:50):
we said this when this happened, Giving those influencers the binders,
the trapper keepers, whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It made it seem like a clown show.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And there's nothing funny about any of the stuff that
is being discs.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Who in the world if you or I have been
asked a question about this.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I've been involved in investigations, right, I've done criminal defense work.
Who in the world said, hey, we should give these guys,
these influencers, a binder and call it part one? Right,
There's not very often Epstein files part one. There's not
very often you call something part one and part two
never comes, right. So the lack of fulfilled expectations here
(11:28):
is real. I get why people are super frustrated. I
just don't get why Trump, if he truly thinks this
is not a significant story, you stop talking about things
that you think are insignificant and you move on to
other things. And he does have an incredible story on
six months of the economy, on the border, on crime,
as we have talked about on this show. I think
he's got the best six months of tangible results of
(11:49):
any president in my life. But when you put out
that post this morning and then you get, as you
would expect, a question like this in the Oval office,
I don't know what he expects the new cycle of
the day to be other than what we started off
the show talking about, which is what everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And part of the problem is that there are a
lot of senior government people who said that there was
a lot going on with Epstein in the run up
to this election, and now some of those same individuals
are saying everything is fine, there's nothing I mean meaning,
there's nothing further to show or share, and I just
don't think that's going to fly. I think people are
(12:27):
going to continue to be very agitated about this. So
I had said they should do a press conference where
they just address with clarity because when you say things
like the Epstein hoax, Okay, Epstein is not a hoax,
Obviously no one actually is holding Trump doesn't. No one's
holding the position that Epstein wasn't a serial sex criminal
(12:48):
over decades and did horrible things. No one takes that position.
The part of it that he's saying is a hoax
is that there is a and I'm doing some Trump
translation here, but the notion that they're actually is a
list of people who committed crimes or proof of those
people committing crimes, not going to release, just a general
(13:09):
covering of all allegations, even those that were unsubstantiated, et cetera.
I think that's what the position of the administration is,
I think, and I just wish they would make that
more clear because this tweet and I just look, we're
just reading to you what the president is saying. I'm
not the president. Clay's not the president. He's saying, shut up,
there's nothing to see. I don't want to answer any
(13:30):
more questions about this. And if you still fall, if
you still want answers on this, you're playing into the
Democrats hands. That's what he's saying. And he's and he's
using a little profanity and he's done with it. So
take that with as you will. I would advise not
to go in that direction. No one's asking me, well,
some people, but the President's not asking me. I would say,
(13:51):
address it with clarity and openness, and if there is
anything more to be shared than what has already been shared,
share it, redact.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What is necessary, explain those reactions.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
President Trump is saying even that position is not helpful
and as bad right now, I disagree, right, I mean,
that's he can he's the president.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
He can say what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I think that to make this go away, it
would be better to have that transparency. So but I
don't get to make the call. The president does, and
that's where this is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I also think the more you talk about it, the
more people think there's something to it. I mean, I'm
just gonna be honest, Like, if you keep telling, I mean,
in your own lives, step away. If somebody keeps talking
about something with you and forces you to constantly marinate
in it, We're going to break here and we'll take
some of your calls, and we'll take some of your
reactions again, this is going to be the story that
(14:49):
comes out. I think the Jerome Powell stuff is far
more significant today.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I want to play the gentleman who said Trump might
have the greatest presidency ever because I agree, because I
think Trump is absolutely kicking ass.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
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We started off the show talking about the economic news,
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of the Oval office with the president or Prime Minister
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(17:02):
and we can have some fun with this when we
come back. More accurate forecaster, weather guy or economics guy,
because I actually think weather guy is infinitely.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Better than no, this is no guy, this is known.
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Weather guy is definitely more trustworthy source of predictions than
than economists and even political prediction guys.
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I think it is a It is kind of extraordinary
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sure there's a profession that gets paid more that is
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the data is already in with telling you why the
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Speaker 2 (20:27):
Welcome back into Play and Buck. And we're racking and
stacking a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Of your calls as well as your talk facts, and
we want to hear from all of.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You about the subjects of the day, as we always do,
so we will dive into some of that. We'll also
bring you more from the Trump presser that just was
going on in the Oval Office a few moments. It
might actually still I'm paying attention to the radio show
we're doing it. It's still going on. It could be,
but Trump is definitely addressing that, it has been addressing
the nation taking questions.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So we'll dive into some of that.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But he may this and I saw this this morning
Ken Langone, who is the Home Depot founder, a very
wealthy guy and a guy who understands business.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know, I got to say.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's going on TV and he's basically saying, Maya Kulpa,
I was wrong about my concerns about the Trump presidency.
Not only was I wrong about it, but I have
to say that this may be the best presidency in
my lifetime. And you know, he's an older guy, and
(21:34):
here is exactly I wanted to hear this this is
what a play a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Oh yeah, talking to me and founded where I'm from
in Atlanta, Home Depot where I'm broadcasting from right now.
Home Depot, one of the great American companies. And yeah,
this guy is swimming in billions of dollars and kind
of understands maybe better than most retailers because so much
of what he sells is predicated on construction, which gives
(21:59):
you a good indication of how the growth of the
economy is going. But yeah, this was an incredible endorsement
that he gave this morning.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Look, I'm going to tell you right now, I am
sold on Trump. In fact, I'll say this, I think
he's got a good shot at going down in history
as one of our best presidents ever.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
That is a real turnaround because you didn't want to
vote for him.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I told you the reason. I want to tell you,
I'm a believer. What I'm seeing happening is is absolutely
nothing short of a great thing.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And there's a feat.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
People are walking with more bounce than there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's all around. I think that's all true. He went on.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He went on it at some length there, just to
talk about how much Trump is let's just say it's
just kicking ass with the economy and with the border
and do it. We talk about the difficulties as well
as the victories here, but let's not forget those victories.
And I think he's doing a phenomenal job in the economy.
The fact that once again he had essentially all of
(22:57):
the as we say, the consensus right the economists saying,
oh my gosh, you can't do this tariff thing. Tariffs
haven't raised prices and are bringing in hundreds of billions
of dollars to the treasury, and it hasn't done the
terrible things that that we were told we're going to happen,
despite so many people saying it. So Clay, at some level,
I'll put this out there. I understand his frustration because
(23:20):
anything that's not this that affects three hundred and fifty
million people to Trump right now, I believe he does
view as something of a distraction. So I get that
he's frustrated because the administration is doing on the big
things that matter with the economy. I think we can
all agree that phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Job so far, not only the economy, economy, border crime,
which is what he ran on as his foremost three
tenth polls that he was focused on. I think he
is delivered in a massive way on all three of those,
and I give credit.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Look.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
One of the things if I could go back in time,
one of the things I wish I could do is
I wish we gave as much credit to people for
admitting when they're wrong as we do when they're right,
because admitting when you're wrong on something is I think
a sign of intellectual health and growth. I'm wrong on
things all the time. When we're wrong on this show,
(24:11):
we try to come on and correct and we've been
wrong about a lot of things, as everybody is, especially
when you're in the prediction game. But what I love
about business guys and gals in general, ultimately it all
boils down to what the data shows them right. And
this Home Depot founder said like, Hey, I wasn't a
Trump guy. I was not a big believer in Trump,
(24:33):
and he now is seeing through the data that the
economy is producing that he might well have been wrong,
and he's going on and saying what I think is true,
which is Trump has had one of the greatest six
months of any president ever.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I get why Trump would be frustrated because there are
distractions from that. What I would say to Trump is
and if you ask me, I would tell him this
you face to face. Hey, you're creating some of the
distractions from your super significant successes, because as soon as
you sat down and decided to draft something on Epstein,
it's going to take away from other things that I
(25:08):
think are more consequential. Inflation below expectations is a huge deal.
Jerome Powell not lowering rates is a huge deal for
you and me and everybody out there that has a home,
that has a mortgage, that's buying a vehicle, that's paying
interest rates. They have cut rates seven eight times in
the EU, I believe in the last year or so,
(25:32):
we haven't done it hardly at all here. And so look,
is it a coincidence that Jerome Powell cut rates right
before the election? I don't think so. He was trying
to help Joe Biden. So the idea, in my opinion,
the idea that he's an a political economic steward, I
don't believe is true. And look, I mean, the economists
(25:53):
are wrong over and over and over again. I believe
this is five straight months where there inflation expectations have
been higher than what the results have been, and so look,
to me, that's the story. The economy is starting to roar.
We need to have more steam. More steam would be
lower interest rates that would help get the growth rate up. Fuck,
(26:14):
we just hit a surplus in June. It's like nobody
even noticed it. How much time have we spent talking about, Hey,
we got to balance the budget. We got to make
sure that we're not spending more. Now I know that
it's not going to happen every month. I would love,
by the way, if the economy got roaring so much
that it did happen. If the tariffs ended up having
the impact that Trump believes that they might, that would
be an incredible outcome. But the fact that we actually
(26:36):
didn't borrow money in June for one of the first
times in years that we balance the budget, I believe
had a twenty seven billion dollar surplus that should be screamed.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
From the heavens. No, there was I bet there.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Wasn't a single economist in the country that said, if
you asked them, hey, will there be a budget surplus
in any month in twenty twenty five during the Trump administration.
I bet there wasn't one single forecast of that occurring,
and it's already happened in six months. Gas price is
four year lows, the overall stock market prices, if you've
got a four oh one k record highs. All these
(27:09):
things are great, but you've got to be disciplined on
the messaging. And I think one, the media is not
going to want to give Trump a lot of credit. Two,
they're going to follow conflicting chaos. So if you sow
conflict in chaos in any way in your messaging, then
you're going to create, I think, a continued storyline which
(27:30):
suggests that you haven't been as successful as you have.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And I think that's where we are. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think that the more that people see the economy
and the trajectory overall of it as well, the more
understanding they'll be. And maybe even people coming out and
admitting that the choice between Trump and Kamala for the economy,
how could that even be a choice. How could anybody
any person think, Oh, yes, I wanted Kamala Harris to
(28:00):
be making the discomala hers couldn't couldn't run a you know,
a food stand. Somewhere's no idea how to run a
profitable eliminade. Stand I like what kids do in the neighborhood.
I don't think commonly she never run a business, but
I don't think she'd be able to do it. By
the way, Larry and Thomasville has a good theory here.
And by the way, have we reached out Ali to
(28:21):
Alan Dershowitz to ask if he will come on and
talk about some of these things.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Okay, let's do that today.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, here is Larry who wants to talk some about
Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Yes, Like Dershuis said said this weekend, it's not Trump's
d OJ and the FBI of Trump that is doing
the suppression of this evidence. It's a southern district in
New York and the previous administration's fault for that and
probably summoned South Florida where the previous trial was. Some
evidence was probably suppressed there. But they don't they don't
(28:56):
need to get Trump mad with his supporters. His supporters
do not blame Trump and his people. They blame the
previous bunch.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, So I think this is a good call, and
again we'll reach out to Alan Dershowitz. This is why
I'm focused. There's two different stories. To me, there is
the Epstein story, which has been I mean, it's twenty
years in the making. People have covered it at infinitum.
There's lots of uncertainties. Was the intelligence asset was he not?
How substantial is the larger ring of criminal perpetuity that
(29:28):
surrounds him outside of Jelaane Maxwell and Epstein himself. All
of those things. You can dive into them, deep dives
all those things. I think there's also the messaging side,
which is what he's calling about. If Pam Bondi and
Cash Pattel and Dan Bongino and Trump, after reviewing all
of these files, had had a big press conference and
(29:48):
they had answered every question and they said, guys, we
went over everything in here with a fine tooth.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Come.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
We are going to release as much as we possibly can.
And what we have uncovered here is there's nothing that
can criminally charged against anybody else. We can't speak to
what evidence might have existed before. Certainly, if any new
evidence comes out, I think people, I'm curiousou how you
think of this would have gone Buck. I think people
would have been upset, but I don't think they would
have had the expectation based on the binders and all
(30:15):
the comments from BONDI that charges were coming and there
was going to be some grand revelation here. It's managing
communication wise, this story that I think has been a
failure beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, a huge problem has been the the on the
one side of the equation promising massive transparency.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Look, this is why I didn't like the Oh the.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
JFK files, the MLK junior files. We're going to unseal
those and there's gonna be big things in there too,
because there's not I knew there wasn't in that. I
know people are now saying, oh, the CIA killed JFK. Please,
this is not something. Maybe you can believe that, but
that hasn't been proven based on these new files that
are out. And even beyond that, in those cases too,
(30:59):
I just want to say, Okay, so what do we
everybody involved would be dead, Like, what would we even
do about that?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Even if that were theoretically true? But I don't want to.
I know the problem with some point, and I think
this is important.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
If there were truly earth shattering things in files on
JFK or RFK or any of those, the idea that
it would have stayed buried or not been destroyed for
fifty whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's saying, all along, Okay, anybody, there are people that
have access that would know these things, and they would
have smuggled it out. Just think, look at some of
the stuff that has been leaked everybody. I mean, I
was in the CIA when the whole Black Site thing
was leaked. I mean, stuff that's supposed to be kept
really really secret has gotten to the press.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Big juicy stories get to the press.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now the Epstein thing is different because at different layers
of the Justice Department there have clear and it's recent.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Still there have.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Been efforts or you know, we're talking about the twenty
nineteen raid on this houseman, this is recent stuff, right,
This isn't fifty years of sitting in files. People could
see nobody cares anymore. And so when they say there's
gonna be a huge revelation and then there's not, that's
that's not good. That's that's a that's a problem, and
that's where a lot of this has come from. So
(32:11):
I I understand, I get it. I just other than
just sitting around and speaking about the frustration, we can
advise what we think should happen. Which is make more
stuff transparent, or make a do a press conference. Beyond that,
the people in charge of the people in charge, and
they determine what gets released.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We don't get enough.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We're not I'm not sitting on any documents. If I were,
you would know.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I think the challenge that you're in now, and I'm
just being candid, is if you release every single file
in the entire Epstein file. I'm saying that that happens.
A ton of people are saying it's not enough. Right,
There is no way to satisfy the demand now short
of frog walking perpetrator style people out in handcuffs associated
(32:55):
with it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Well, we got Todd in Louisville, Kentucky wants to talk
to us about this. Todd, let's let's go for or
what do you got?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
All right, guys, this couple angles Trump.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Here's what aggravated me about all of it, and Trump
campaigned on it mostciferously.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Constant, We're going to.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Da da da da da constant.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Now, when all the information when it came out, Bondi
said there was Bongino, there's no there there patail Bondy
come out. But the one That kind of killed me.
Because all of them are in they're all instinct, and
I think they've done a wonderful job.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm behind them a million percent.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
This doesn't bother me.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
At all, but it's aggravating to me when I hear
Trump when he was asked a week and a half ago,
what they're still talking about that, like it's something that
hadn't been mentioned in five years. He just got off
the campaign trip for months talking about it, and just
that to say that the other angle, I love Trump. Hey,
(33:54):
make no mistake, Bongeno, Fatail and Bonding are appointed by Trump.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
A lot of people said all that.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Bon Geno knows.
Speaker 11 (34:02):
He'll come right out.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No he won't because he.
Speaker 11 (34:05):
Knows that Trump will drop the hammer. He can find
him on the spot get rid of him. I'm not
saying people would sacrifice their goodness. I'm just saying, with
putting information out that ain't going to matter here or.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
There if he tells them, I think, thank you for
the call. We got to go to a break. But
let me say this, and I think Buck you would
sign off on that. I agree with quite a lot
of what he was saying, but I do believe that
Bongino Cash. I don't know Pambondi well enough, but I
think if those guys had evidence of crimes that were
(34:39):
being committed and they were told, hey, you can't prosecute people,
I think.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
They would resign. I think they would leave.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't think that they would not charge pedophiles with
sex crimes. That's my personal opinion. Some of you can disagree.
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We're going to talk about Joe Biden, one of his
top advisors, Anthony Bernall, also Joe Biden's top advisor, taking
the fifth and why I think all of this combined
with the Biden doctor doing it as well. But I
will read some of the messages all right, Karen says,
(36:57):
you just said, the more you talk about the issue,
the bigger it becomes. So why do you keep talking
about it? Well, the President talked about it, so I
feel like we probably have to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
When the president's talking about it in a press conference
as we're on air, I think it makes it a
new thing to talk about.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I think that's fair. But I'm gonna read these.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
The Democrats had four years to release anything on Epstein.
Why is the Trump administration being demonized over this issue?
Seems to me you're helping keep this non issue alive
by making it a focus every day. I don't care
if Epstein was murdered or killed himself, and I can
happily live the rest of my life without seeing the list.
Please give it a rest. Another email every minute, this
(37:38):
is from Bob. Every minute you continue to talk about
a four year old Epstein story does exactly what the
Democrats and the liberal media want, exactly what Trump said today.
They do not want to talk about everything he is
doing to move the country forward. The legacy media. Once
you guys doing there bidding, move on if Bongino has
his underwear in or not, move on from him. Also,
(37:59):
most of us are of the smoke and the mirrors.
By the way, okay, we're now going to get delused
in the exact opposite side. But those are the most
recent emails we just got. We come back Anthony Bernal
update on what his testimony was, why I think it
was significant, NPR and PBS. A tax recission package being
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(38:21):
talk about that and more all coming your direction. Will
also take your calls eight hundred two two two eight
a two and you can continue to let us know
what you think. Those are both VIP emails that I
just read, and we will bring you the absolute latest
there as well. I was down in Atlanta. I hope
you guys got to watch the All Star Game. I'm
still in Atlanta. The Hank Aaron memorial that they did
(38:45):
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Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome everybody to the Wednesday edition of The Clay Travis
and Buck Sexton Show. A lot of news today and
we're going to break it all down for you.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Here's a story. We have a media focus on this one.
Let's take a look here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
PPI Producer Price Index inflation falls to two point three
percent lowist reading since September twenty twenty four. Fifty fore
casters in the Bloomberg survey. We're wrong on this one.
The tariffs. The bottom line here, the tariffs not having
the inflationary effect that we were all pulled would happen,
(00:40):
and not having the price rise effect that we were
all told would happen. So that seems like a pretty big,
pretty big deal.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The economy thing's going well. Another story that may get
some attention. And President Trump, just to be clear, we're
monitoring it. We have our monitors going, we have our
team pulling from it in real time. President and Trump
is currently in the Oval Office and he is actually guys, can.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We join this live for a second here? Can we
try to join the president?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Let's find on free markets?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Those are report, but they're not true.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
What would be useful to know?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Are you?
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Are you committed to picking someone from the outside?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Are you going to inter interview individus? So many people
that want that job.
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I have people that I've known a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
They're calling me begging for the job. You know what
you need.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
They're a smart person with common sense, but you need
a very smart person.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
For that job. Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I think it's so he's talking now about the FED chair,
which it looks like it is. Well, it is underway
that they're going to replace the FED share that process
has begun. Rates coming down. Well, the economy could be
just so fantastic, Clay, it's already strong, already looking good,
already proving his critics wrong on tariffs. Another story that
may gets some attention. Here a truth from President Trump,
(01:58):
and he was just asked about this. We're gonna bring
you that SoundBite here momentarily. But this, Clay, is is
what the President wrote, and I am I'm just gonna
read it. I'm gonna read it for this is from
the President of United States from his official account. The
radical left Democrats have hit pay dirt again, just like
with the fake and fully discredited Steele dossier, the lying
(02:19):
fifty one intelligence agents, the Laptop from Hell, which the
dem swar had come from Russia.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No, it came from Hunter's bathroom. And even the.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Russia Russia Russia scam itself totally fake, made up store
used in order to hide Crooked Hillary's big loss in
the twenty sixteen presidential election. These scams and hoaxes are
all Democrats are good at. It's all they have. They're
no good at governing, no good at policy. Their new
scam is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
And my past supporters have bought into this BS he
(02:48):
didn't write, BS, hook line, and sinker. They haven't learned
their lesson and probably never will. Even after being conned
by the lunatic left for eight long years. I've had
more success in six months and perhaps any president in
our history. Democrats are starved for things. The success Democrats
are starved for is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Make America great again? Clay, what do you make of it?
I don't understand why he keeps talking about it. I mean,
if you truly feel like this story is not a story.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
The number one thing to do is just move on and.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Not talk about it, because this is to me the
equivalent of a scab that Trump keeps ripping off. And
every time this happens, we get deluged with people that
are really upset with Trump over the way that he's
handling this. And I'm leaving aside the Epstein story for
the moment and purely talking about the communication associated with this. Okay,
(03:49):
so this is not Epstein based. It's been awful, Just
gonna be candid. Pam Bondi has been a disaster on this.
The fact that she gave all those influence and sirs
a Jeffrey Epstein binder, the fact that she said that
the Epstein files were on her desk. I understand why
that set forth the expectation that there were going to
(04:11):
be substantial results as a result of those public comments.
And then what is it ten days ago?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Ish they walk it back in a Sunday night post.
If I remember correctly, a release, Buck, you can correct me,
a team, you can correct me on the dates, because
everything kind of runs together. And now here we are
two weeks later and Trump continues to post about it.
I think he's upset that he is getting criticism on
this front. I think that Trump feels that he has
(04:42):
done nothing wrong and that Epstein is old news. He
killed himself six years ago. Democrats had this story for
years that they could have done something with in the
Biden administration. They didn't, And I think he believes that
this is a manufacturer hoax of a story. I think
he's being honest with his expectations.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's not going away.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
And this is where again I'm addressing directly the management
related to it. We had the poor, I think, handling
of the initial situation by Attorney General Bondi. We then
had last week the report that Dan Bongino was basically
at loggerheads with the Attorney General's office and potentially was
going to leave. That seems to have been diffused. I
(05:29):
thought this story was kind of put to bed. I
woke up this morning in Atlanta and the number one
thing that's echoing all over the social media universe this
morning was Trump deciding to go after the Epstein story
again and tell anybody that basically doesn't believe him, hey,
go you know, I'm done with you.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
So that we have he was just asked about this
minutes ago, and so as we were coming on air.
He was mid answer, so we wanted to give you
the full answer. President Trump in the Oval Office with
a bab rainey Prime Minister Press gaggle goes right to Epstein.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Here's what he said. We're going to play the full answer.
Listen in.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
I really want to move past all this Atrey Lord
the FC files, but I do want to ask you
to clarify something you said this morning.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You said this was all hoaks.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Has your attorne each other told you this was a hoax?
Speaker 7 (06:18):
Whatever it is, it's not a journey, General, No, I
know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats. It's been
run by the Democrats for four years. You had Christopher
Ray and these characters and call me before him, and
it's a bad group.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
It started.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Actually, look at the Steele Dussier that turned out to
be a total hoax. The fifty one agency intelligence so
called intelligence agents, it was a hoax.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
There's all been a big hoax.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
It's perpetrated by the Democrats, and some stupid Republicans and
foolish Republicans fall into the net and so they try
and do the Democrats work. The Democrats are good for
nothing other than these oases. They're bad for policy, they're
bad for picking candidates that can get elected. No, No,
it's all of the Epstein hooks.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Takes a lot of time and effort.
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Instead of talking about the great achievements we've had.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
A great gentleman.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Yesterday, a's you know when on CNBC and you made
the statement that Trump bago down is the greatest president
of all in the United States. And instead of talking
about the things we've achieved, We've had tremendous achievement, they're
wasting their time with a guy who obviously has some
very serious problems, who died three or four years ago.
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy,
(07:29):
the best we've ever had, and all of the things
we've done, including in the Middle East. I mean, you
see it. Instead they want to talk about the Epstein hooks.
And the sad part is it's people that are really
doing the Democrats work as stupid people, Clay.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
This is not going to make the issue go away.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I don't think people who are still upset about the
whiplash over the promise versus the presentation and that we
could all again, I don't want to go down the
Epstein rabbit hole right now. We could do that. I
mean people are doing that. You can do hours and
hours and hours on the Epstein case. But the way
this is being handled at this moment by the administration
has a lot of people scratching their heads and pretty frustrated.
(08:14):
And I think that frustration is completely fair. Well, look,
here's what I would say about the idea of the
Epstein hoax. I think it's an interesting idea, and I
think Trump probably does believe it. That this is a
continuation of the Russia collusion hoax, that this is a
continuation of the Steele dossier hoax, all these things that
(08:37):
Democrats were told, Hey, we're going to get Trump on this.
He sees it as connected. Here's where I would say
the difference is unlike those and I think you would
sign off on this too, like just making the analogy.
There was no real crime committed related to Russia. I
know they got a couple of people for lying to intelligence,
(08:59):
you know, during inn that was the whole thing was
a fabrication, a fantasy. Nobody was harmed in the making
of that movie, so to speak. It was just all
cra well, Trump was harmed in the event but I'm
saying there was no actual crime. There was no murder,
there was no nothing, nothing happened.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We know there were yeah, we know there were crimes
related to Epstein. Right, So unlike Russia collusion, where it
is I think manufactured out of whole cloth. I don't
think anybody out there saying, hey, Jeffrey Epstein, j Elaine Maxwell,
they were totally innocent. This was manufactured. There's nothing associated
with it. Now, I and I get people are fired
(09:37):
up about this.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I actually think that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
If you look at the logic, if you look at
the logic, I don't buy that there's tons of information
that they are refusing to give to the American public.
I think that might be the frustration of Trump. That
is why to me, and I think I said this
last week, the only way to handle this is either
one just move on, just say hey, we got a
(10:02):
disference of opinions.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
We're not going to solve this.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But we're not seeing that right because the President put
out the statement that he did today. He just had
that statement that we played for you in the Oval office.
And so the second one is, I think you have
to just put out everything that you have. Now here's
the challenge as you well know this, Buck, whatever they
put out, there are going to be people who say
they're still holding things back. This is not all of it, right,
(10:29):
So the challenge you're in now is everyone who believes
that this is a massive, huge scandal that is decades
in the history, right building. They're not suddenly going to
believe if you give them a binder and push it
out publicly. And again, I don't know who advised Pambondi, Buck,
(10:50):
we said this when this happened, Giving those influencers the binders,
the trapper keepers, whatever the heck it was.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It made it seem like a clown show.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And there's nothing funny about any of the stuff that
is being discs.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Who in the world if you or I have been
asked a question about this.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I've been involved in investigations, right, I've done criminal defense work.
Who in the world said, hey, we should give these guys,
these influencers, a binder and call it part one? Right,
There's not very often Epstein files part one. There's not
very often you call something part one and part two
never comes, right. So the lack of fulfilled expectations here
(11:28):
is real. I get why people are super frustrated. I
just don't get why Trump, if he truly thinks this
is not a significant story, you stop talking about things
that you think are insignificant and you move on to
other things. And he does have an incredible story on
six months of the economy, on the border, on crime,
as we have talked about on this show. I think
he's got the best six months of tangible results of
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any president in my life. But when you put out
that post this morning and then you get, as you
would expect, a question like this in the Oval office,
I don't know what he expects the new cycle of
the day to be other than what we started off
the show talking about, which is what everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
And part of the problem is that there are a
lot of senior government people who said that there was
a lot going on with Epstein in the run up
to this election, and now some of those same individuals
are saying everything is fine, there's nothing I mean meaning,
there's nothing further to show or share, and I just
don't think that's going to fly. I think people are
(12:27):
going to continue to be very agitated about this. So
I had said they should do a press conference where
they just address with clarity because when you say things
like the Epstein hoax, Okay, Epstein is not a hoax,
Obviously no one actually is holding Trump doesn't. No one's
holding the position that Epstein wasn't a serial sex criminal
(12:48):
over decades and did horrible things. No one takes that position.
The part of it that he's saying is a hoax
is that there is a and I'm doing some Trump
translation here, but the notion that they're actually is a
list of people who committed crimes or proof of those
people committing crimes, not going to release, just a general
(13:09):
covering of all allegations, even those that were unsubstantiated, et cetera.
I think that's what the position of the administration is,
I think, and I just wish they would make that
more clear because this tweet and I just look, we're
just reading to you what the president is saying. I'm
not the president. Clay's not the president. He's saying, shut up,
there's nothing to see. I don't want to answer any
(13:30):
more questions about this. And if you still fall, if
you still want answers on this, you're playing into the
Democrats hands. That's what he's saying. And he's and he's
using a little profanity and he's done with it. So
take that with as you will. I would advise not
to go in that direction. No one's asking me, well,
some people, but the President's not asking me. I would say,
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address it with clarity and openness, and if there is
anything more to be shared than what has already been shared,
share it, redact.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
What is necessary, explain those reactions.
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I just want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
President Trump is saying even that position is not helpful
and as bad right now, I disagree, right, I mean,
that's he can he's the president.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
He can say what he wants to say.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
But I think that to make this go away, it
would be better to have that transparency. So but I
don't get to make the call. The president does, and
that's where this is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I also think the more you talk about it, the
more people think there's something to it. I mean, I'm
just gonna be honest, Like, if you keep telling, I mean,
in your own lives, step away. If somebody keeps talking
about something with you and forces you to constantly marinate
in it, We're going to break here and we'll take
some of your calls, and we'll take some of your
reactions again, this is going to be the story that
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comes out. I think the Jerome Powell stuff is far
more significant today.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I want to play the gentleman who said Trump might
have the greatest presidency ever because I agree, because I
think Trump is absolutely kicking ass.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't want to talk about this stuff at all.
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we'll come back, we'll break down all the breaking news
that just came out of the Trump presser basically inside
of the Oval office with the president or Prime Minister
by Raying visiting. But I got a question for you, Buck,
(17:02):
and we can have some fun with this when we
come back. More accurate forecaster, weather guy or economics guy,
because I actually think weather guy is infinitely.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
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Weather guy is definitely more trustworthy source of predictions than
than economists and even political prediction guys.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I think it is a It is kind of extraordinary
how the economists have been wrong on everything. I'm not
sure there's a profession that gets paid more that is
wrong more than economic analysts, because they're really good once
the data is already in with telling you why the
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Speaker 2 (20:27):
Welcome back into Play and Buck. And we're racking and
stacking a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Of your calls as well as your talk facts, and
we want to hear from all of.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You about the subjects of the day, as we always do,
so we will dive into some of that. We'll also
bring you more from the Trump presser that just was
going on in the Oval Office a few moments. It
might actually still I'm paying attention to the radio show
we're doing it. It's still going on. It could be,
but Trump is definitely addressing that, it has been addressing
the nation taking questions.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So we'll dive into some of that.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But he may this and I saw this this morning
Ken Langone, who is the Home Depot founder, a very
wealthy guy and a guy who understands business.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You know, I got to say.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
He's going on TV and he's basically saying, Maya Kulpa,
I was wrong about my concerns about the Trump presidency.
Not only was I wrong about it, but I have
to say that this may be the best presidency in
my lifetime. And you know, he's an older guy, and
(21:34):
here is exactly I wanted to hear this this is
what a play a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Oh yeah, talking to me and founded where I'm from
in Atlanta, Home Depot where I'm broadcasting from right now.
Home Depot, one of the great American companies. And yeah,
this guy is swimming in billions of dollars and kind
of understands maybe better than most retailers because so much
of what he sells is predicated on construction, which gives
(21:59):
you a good indication of how the growth of the
economy is going. But yeah, this was an incredible endorsement
that he gave this morning.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Look, I'm going to tell you right now, I am
sold on Trump. In fact, I'll say this, I think
he's got a good shot at going down in history
as one of our best presidents ever.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
That is a real turnaround because you didn't want to
vote for him.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I told you the reason. I want to tell you,
I'm a believer. What I'm seeing happening is is absolutely
nothing short of a great thing.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
And there's a feat.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
People are walking with more bounce than there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's all around. I think that's all true. He went on.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He went on it at some length there, just to
talk about how much Trump is let's just say it's
just kicking ass with the economy and with the border
and do it. We talk about the difficulties as well
as the victories here, but let's not forget those victories.
And I think he's doing a phenomenal job in the economy.
The fact that once again he had essentially all of
(22:57):
the as we say, the consensus right the economists saying,
oh my gosh, you can't do this tariff thing. Tariffs
haven't raised prices and are bringing in hundreds of billions
of dollars to the treasury, and it hasn't done the
terrible things that that we were told we're going to happen,
despite so many people saying it. So Clay, at some level,
I'll put this out there. I understand his frustration because
(23:20):
anything that's not this that affects three hundred and fifty
million people to Trump right now, I believe he does
view as something of a distraction. So I get that
he's frustrated because the administration is doing on the big
things that matter with the economy. I think we can
all agree that phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Job so far, not only the economy, economy, border crime,
which is what he ran on as his foremost three
tenth polls that he was focused on. I think he
is delivered in a massive way on all three of those,
and I give credit.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Look.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
One of the things if I could go back in time,
one of the things I wish I could do is
I wish we gave as much credit to people for
admitting when they're wrong as we do when they're right,
because admitting when you're wrong on something is I think
a sign of intellectual health and growth. I'm wrong on
things all the time. When we're wrong on this show,
(24:11):
we try to come on and correct and we've been
wrong about a lot of things, as everybody is, especially
when you're in the prediction game. But what I love
about business guys and gals in general, ultimately it all
boils down to what the data shows them right. And
this Home Depot founder said like, Hey, I wasn't a
Trump guy. I was not a big believer in Trump,
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and he now is seeing through the data that the
economy is producing that he might well have been wrong,
and he's going on and saying what I think is true,
which is Trump has had one of the greatest six
months of any president ever.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I get it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I get why Trump would be frustrated because there are
distractions from that. What I would say to Trump is
and if you ask me, I would tell him this
you face to face. Hey, you're creating some of the
distractions from your super significant successes, because as soon as
you sat down and decided to draft something on Epstein,
it's going to take away from other things that I
(25:08):
think are more consequential. Inflation below expectations is a huge deal.
Jerome Powell not lowering rates is a huge deal for
you and me and everybody out there that has a home,
that has a mortgage, that's buying a vehicle, that's paying
interest rates. They have cut rates seven eight times in
the EU, I believe in the last year or so,
(25:32):
we haven't done it hardly at all here. And so look,
is it a coincidence that Jerome Powell cut rates right
before the election? I don't think so. He was trying
to help Joe Biden. So the idea, in my opinion,
the idea that he's an a political economic steward, I
don't believe is true. And look, I mean, the economists
(25:53):
are wrong over and over and over again. I believe
this is five straight months where there inflation expectations have
been higher than what the results have been, and so look,
to me, that's the story. The economy is starting to roar.
We need to have more steam. More steam would be
lower interest rates that would help get the growth rate up. Fuck,
(26:14):
we just hit a surplus in June. It's like nobody
even noticed it. How much time have we spent talking about, Hey,
we got to balance the budget. We got to make
sure that we're not spending more. Now I know that
it's not going to happen every month. I would love,
by the way, if the economy got roaring so much
that it did happen. If the tariffs ended up having
the impact that Trump believes that they might, that would
be an incredible outcome. But the fact that we actually
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didn't borrow money in June for one of the first
times in years that we balance the budget, I believe
had a twenty seven billion dollar surplus that should be screamed.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
From the heavens. No, there was I bet there.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Wasn't a single economist in the country that said, if
you asked them, hey, will there be a budget surplus
in any month in twenty twenty five during the Trump administration.
I bet there wasn't one single forecast of that occurring,
and it's already happened in six months. Gas price is
four year lows, the overall stock market prices, if you've
got a four oh one k record highs. All these
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things are great, but you've got to be disciplined on
the messaging. And I think one, the media is not
going to want to give Trump a lot of credit. Two,
they're going to follow conflicting chaos. So if you sow
conflict in chaos in any way in your messaging, then
you're going to create, I think, a continued storyline which
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suggests that you haven't been as successful as you have.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
And I think that's where we are. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think that the more that people see the economy
and the trajectory overall of it as well, the more
understanding they'll be. And maybe even people coming out and
admitting that the choice between Trump and Kamala for the economy,
how could that even be a choice. How could anybody
any person think, Oh, yes, I wanted Kamala Harris to
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be making the discomala hers couldn't couldn't run a you know,
a food stand. Somewhere's no idea how to run a
profitable eliminade. Stand I like what kids do in the neighborhood.
I don't think commonly she never run a business, but
I don't think she'd be able to do it. By
the way, Larry and Thomasville has a good theory here.
And by the way, have we reached out Ali to
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Alan Dershowitz to ask if he will come on and
talk about some of these things.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Okay, let's do that today.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, here is Larry who wants to talk some about
Alan Dershowitz.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Listen.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Yes, Like Dershuis said said this weekend, it's not Trump's
d OJ and the FBI of Trump that is doing
the suppression of this evidence. It's a southern district in
New York and the previous administration's fault for that and
probably summoned South Florida where the previous trial was. Some
evidence was probably suppressed there. But they don't they don't
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need to get Trump mad with his supporters. His supporters
do not blame Trump and his people. They blame the
previous bunch.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, So I think this is a good call, and
again we'll reach out to Alan Dershowitz. This is why
I'm focused. There's two different stories. To me, there is
the Epstein story, which has been I mean, it's twenty
years in the making. People have covered it at infinitum.
There's lots of uncertainties. Was the intelligence asset was he not?
How substantial is the larger ring of criminal perpetuity that
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surrounds him outside of Jelaane Maxwell and Epstein himself. All
of those things. You can dive into them, deep dives
all those things. I think there's also the messaging side,
which is what he's calling about. If Pam Bondi and
Cash Pattel and Dan Bongino and Trump, after reviewing all
of these files, had had a big press conference and
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they had answered every question and they said, guys, we
went over everything in here with a fine tooth.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Come.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
We are going to release as much as we possibly can.
And what we have uncovered here is there's nothing that
can criminally charged against anybody else. We can't speak to
what evidence might have existed before. Certainly, if any new
evidence comes out, I think people, I'm curiousou how you
think of this would have gone Buck. I think people
would have been upset, but I don't think they would
have had the expectation based on the binders and all
(30:15):
the comments from BONDI that charges were coming and there
was going to be some grand revelation here. It's managing
communication wise, this story that I think has been a
failure beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, a huge problem has been the the on the
one side of the equation promising massive transparency.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Look, this is why I didn't like the Oh the.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
JFK files, the MLK junior files. We're going to unseal
those and there's gonna be big things in there too,
because there's not I knew there wasn't in that. I
know people are now saying, oh, the CIA killed JFK. Please,
this is not something. Maybe you can believe that, but
that hasn't been proven based on these new files that
are out. And even beyond that, in those cases too,
(30:59):
I just want to say, Okay, so what do we
everybody involved would be dead, Like, what would we even
do about that?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Even if that were theoretically true? But I don't want to.
I know the problem with some point, and I think
this is important.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
If there were truly earth shattering things in files on
JFK or RFK or any of those, the idea that
it would have stayed buried or not been destroyed for
fifty whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's saying, all along, Okay, anybody, there are people that
have access that would know these things, and they would
have smuggled it out. Just think, look at some of
the stuff that has been leaked everybody. I mean, I
was in the CIA when the whole Black Site thing
was leaked. I mean, stuff that's supposed to be kept
really really secret has gotten to the press.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Big juicy stories get to the press.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now the Epstein thing is different because at different layers
of the Justice Department there have clear and it's recent.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Still there have.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Been efforts or you know, we're talking about the twenty
nineteen raid on this houseman, this is recent stuff, right,
This isn't fifty years of sitting in files. People could
see nobody cares anymore. And so when they say there's
gonna be a huge revelation and then there's not, that's
that's not good. That's that's a that's a problem, and
that's where a lot of this has come from. So
(32:11):
I I understand, I get it. I just other than
just sitting around and speaking about the frustration, we can
advise what we think should happen. Which is make more
stuff transparent, or make a do a press conference. Beyond that,
the people in charge of the people in charge, and
they determine what gets released.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We don't get enough.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
We're not I'm not sitting on any documents. If I were,
you would know.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I think the challenge that you're in now, and I'm
just being candid, is if you release every single file
in the entire Epstein file. I'm saying that that happens.
A ton of people are saying it's not enough. Right,
There is no way to satisfy the demand now short
of frog walking perpetrator style people out in handcuffs associated
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with it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Well, we got Todd in Louisville, Kentucky wants to talk
to us about this. Todd, let's let's go for or
what do you got?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
All right, guys, this couple angles Trump.
Speaker 11 (33:04):
Here's what aggravated me about all of it, and Trump
campaigned on it mostciferously.
Speaker 8 (33:09):
Constant, We're going to.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Da da da da da constant.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Now, when all the information when it came out, Bondi
said there was Bongino, there's no there there patail Bondy
come out. But the one That kind of killed me.
Because all of them are in they're all instinct, and
I think they've done a wonderful job.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm behind them a million percent.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
This doesn't bother me.
Speaker 11 (33:31):
At all, but it's aggravating to me when I hear
Trump when he was asked a week and a half ago,
what they're still talking about that, like it's something that
hadn't been mentioned in five years. He just got off
the campaign trip for months talking about it, and just
that to say that the other angle, I love Trump. Hey,
(33:54):
make no mistake, Bongeno, Fatail and Bonding are appointed by Trump.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
A lot of people said all that.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Bon Geno knows.
Speaker 11 (34:02):
He'll come right out.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
No he won't because he.
Speaker 11 (34:05):
Knows that Trump will drop the hammer. He can find
him on the spot get rid of him. I'm not
saying people would sacrifice their goodness. I'm just saying, with
putting information out that ain't going to matter here or.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
There if he tells them, I think, thank you for
the call. We got to go to a break. But
let me say this, and I think Buck you would
sign off on that. I agree with quite a lot
of what he was saying, but I do believe that
Bongino Cash. I don't know Pambondi well enough, but I
think if those guys had evidence of crimes that were
(34:39):
being committed and they were told, hey, you can't prosecute people,
I think.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
They would resign. I think they would leave.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't think that they would not charge pedophiles with
sex crimes. That's my personal opinion. Some of you can disagree.
I think they would resign if they were given that instruction.
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We're going to talk about Joe Biden, one of his
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the fifth and why I think all of this combined
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you just said, the more you talk about the issue,
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The Democrats had four years to release anything on Epstein.
Why is the Trump administration being demonized over this issue?
Seems to me you're helping keep this non issue alive
by making it a focus every day. I don't care
if Epstein was murdered or killed himself, and I can
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Please give it a rest. Another email every minute, this
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is from Bob. Every minute you continue to talk about
a four year old Epstein story does exactly what the
Democrats and the liberal media want, exactly what Trump said today.
They do not want to talk about everything he is
doing to move the country forward. The legacy media. Once
you guys doing there bidding, move on if Bongino has
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most of us are of the smoke and the mirrors.
By the way, okay, we're now going to get delused
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update on what his testimony was, why I think it
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