November 20, 2023 • 37 mins
Happy birthday to Biden, now the oldest president ever, prompting debate over whether he’ll be the candidate. Trump stays on the ballot, is up six in national poll -- the efforts to get him off aren’t going anywhere. Will Democrats have to dump Biden at the convention? Biden confuses three pop stars in pandering turkey pardon. Denzel Washington as Hannibal. Callers on Democrats who’d vote for Big Bird and who'll be Trump’s VP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
and man, we are in the Thanksgiving holiday week already,
signed is flying. A lot of us will be flying.
Apparently the biggest travel season ever ever is anticipated, like
thirty million people are going to be moving about for
Thanksgiving this year. So we're talking to you more about that.
(00:28):
I'm out after today, so you've got Clay for a
couple of days, getting you prepared for Turkey Day. He's
going to be talking to you about the deliciousness of
cranberry sauce. He will probably be defending some of the
more idiosyncratic Thanksgiving sides of the South, including what is
it the green bean cast.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Role that you all like so much? That's always the
one that I see.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I made it clear that I'm very anti green bean,
So that's the one food that I just I think
is always awful no matter where are a lot of it.
It seems I'm just gonna say, whenever they put out
that chart, there are a lot of Tennesseeans disagree with you.
In the Northeast, We've uh, well, I live in Florida
now but formerly fairly love rolls.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's the big thing. We're big Norman people in the midding.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I think I think the biscuit and roll is maybe
the greatest thing the South is given to America. So
I'm even disputing what what the guidelines are there, and.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm I'm even gonna say this.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We're about to get into all the news by the way,
just to be clear, But I just Thanksgiving. Yeah, But
because it's my last day before thanks Kevin, I'm already
thinking about the Thanksgiving feast. I'm a big fan of
when the cranberry sauce maybe it's accidental, maybe it's not,
and you mix it a little bit with the gravy
and you get this kind of salty swee. I don't know.
It sounds weird, but it works on the plate. I'm
just telling you, all right, it is a birthday today,
(01:46):
you know. I have my brother Mason's birthday coming up
in the have it coming up in a few days,
have my little brother's birthday over the weekend. So happy
birthday to Keats and a Mason coming up. But there's
a birthday that a lot of people are focused on
right now. Clay because you know, it sort of goes
right to the center of the biggest political discussion of
the country right now. A lot of poll numbers out,
(02:06):
a lot of discussion underway. Everyone keeps asking me, I've
never had so many people way in any of our
steake bets. I'm just gonna let you know, I get
people who just like, oh man, Clay is right, and
they're like, oh man, you got to take him to
the cleaners when he has to buy you a stake
both sides of will Biden be Biden, Kamala be the
nominee or will there be something else going on with Democrats?
(02:28):
Today is Joe Biden's birthday. Happy birthday, Joe Biden eighty
one years old, everybody, he is eighty one, and as
it stands right now, he'll be running for his second
term as president of the United States. We've got a
lot to talk about. Also on the primary side, Trump's numbers,
all the rest of it. But you know, CNN had
(02:51):
this headline up Biden's birthday prompts debate about age and
wisdom of America's oldest president. And this comes at a
time there's a lot of these editorials Clay and here's
I got a couple of broad thoughts. I want to
share this with you, and then I know you got
some data to break down for us. I think that
Democrats have realized finally, like those who thought maybe there
(03:15):
was something else that was going to happen, the window
is now closed for there to be normal process to
replace Joe Biden. That is basically gone now. The only
things that could happen would be break the glass plants
because they don't have time to get a primary done.
They don't Democrats don't have time to do a normal
process of replacement and running an election and all the
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rest of it. They can't get on the state ballots.
With that in mind, Clay, the Trump numbers right now,
what do you make of it versus Biden? I mean, yeah,
so here is the So my big analysis here as
we sit eleven months out, is the story of Joe
Biden has shifted from he's an empty vessel, who's a
(03:59):
nod Trump candidate, which is effectively what they ran.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
In twenty twenty in the basement campaign.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But they got the benefit of COVID and I think
in the same way that Jimmy Carter and Rest in
Peace Rosalind Carter, who died over the weekend at ninety
six years old. Whatever you think of Jimmy and Jimmy
Carter's presidency, he and Rosalind had one of the great
marriages in all of American political history. It does seem
quite clear. And I read Buck that they still live
(04:27):
in the same house in Plains, Georgia that they built
in nineteen sixty one. Jimmy Carter might be the only
former president who didn't get fabulously wealthy off being president
of the United States, and anybody out there listening's life basically,
but in the same way that Jimmy Carter was an
accidental president in the aftermath of Watergate, I think COVID
(04:50):
made Joe Biden an accidental president. And the data, as
you reference in that CNN poll, other than Trump, who
obviously the polls hated in twenty twenty, no incumbent president
in any of our lives has been in as rough
as shape as Joe Biden is in right now. And
here is the Harvard Harris pole that just came out,
(05:12):
that is coming out on Joe Biden's eighty first birthday, Buck,
and this is now showing the biggest lead that Donald
Trump has ever.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Had that I remember in a national poll.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Trump is up six in the poll that just came
out today, fifty three to forty seven. If RFK Junior
is added to the mix, Trump is up eight. And
if RFK Junior, Cornell West and Jill Stein, who is
the Green Party candidate, is added, Trump is up nine.
These are uh, oh, break the glass moments for the
(05:48):
Democrat Party, I think, buck and that's why I believe
that increasingly there is going there. It seems to me
as we move through this holiday season, a lot of
people are going to be sitting around over Thanksgiving, over Christmas,
and then over New Years. I think by the time
we come back post New Years, presuming that these numbers
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haven't really shifted much, and I don't think they will have,
there's going to be an acknowledgment that Democrats have to
figure out a way to get Joe Biden off the ticket.
And I thought that it would be Biden announcing he's
not running and everybody gets on and they have a
real primary debate over who the candidate should be.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We've missed that deadline.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You think that they're just going to stick with Joe
Biden I think to break the glass moment is here.
Things are so bad that they're not going to trot
him out, and I think they're going to come up
with a candidate Michelle Obama is my fear at the
Democrat National Convention this summer.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There's a lot going on here. It's funny because this
is one where now I just see people, you know,
I play some tennis to the friend this week, and
this is the thing that everyone asked. This is the
number one question, much more so than anything about the
primary and Trump and Desantists and all the rest. People say,
is it going to be Biden? You know, I have
one brother, for example, who thinks it will be Biden,
another who thinks it definitely won't be Biden. So I
(07:06):
sit here and I'm like, Okay, this is this is
now the center of political gravity.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
In the country, and this is what everyone's thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Let me let me give you first off, Ron DeSantis
over the weekend. Now you could obviously he's got his
own feelings on this because he wants to be president
and he wants to be the nominee for the Republicans.
This has cut three. Here's the here's a case that
he is you know, let's be a little contrarian here
for a second. Let's open up the possibility that there
might be something we're not seeing. This is what Governor
(07:36):
Santis of Florida says, play three.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I wouldn't be running unless I thought that that the
Democrats would beat Trump if he were the nominee. I mean,
they're going very easy on him right now. I mean
they're they're not saying much the minute. If he were
to be the nominee, I mean, you're gonna see scorched earth.
You're going to see all this stuff brought up from
from the past, and the whole election will end up
being a referendum on Donald Trump, and Biden will be
(07:59):
able to hang out in the basement, and I think
he'll be able to get away with it. Again, Look,
the presidency is not a job for somebody that's pushing
eighty years old. I just think that that's something that
has been shown with Joe Biden. Father time is undefeated.
Donald Trump is not exempt from any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Okay, now we can we just put out he's basically saying, yeah,
Biden's too old. But to a lot of voters, not
Trump people, obviously, but a lot of voters in the middle.
They're going to say, well, basically, Trump is, you know,
as old, we can make the case, and we do that,
He's much more with it and all the rest of it.
But Clay, I look at twenty twenty two as a
warning sign where everything look like Democrats they're gonna get crushed.
(08:40):
They're so you know, they're the polls look terrible for them.
Inflation is the worst it's been in forty years. Twenty
twenty two is really disappointing. Twenty twenty three off your
election pretty disappointing. Even though we are where we are
with Biden the Democrats, are we being lulled into false
confidence on twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I've said, and I still believe that if Ron DeSantis,
Nikki Hayley, vive ak Ramaswami, or Donald Trump or the
nominee running against Joe Biden, I think all four of
those guys would win. I have had thoughts that DeSantis
shared there about Donald Trump's electability over this past year,
certainly in the wake of twenty twenty two. But here's
(09:21):
where I think things have changed. Biden is going to
be the story. I think it's going to be hard
to hide Joe Biden, because again, think about twenty twenty
it's almost always a referendum on the incumbent. Now they'll
try to make twenty twenty four a referendum on Trump,
but boss.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
With the legal system erectively as the primary weapon.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Which is, by the way, why I also don't believe
that they're going easy on Trump. Only in a Trump
world could we say going easy on Trump is trying
to put him in jail for the rest of his
life and being underway.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To be fair to what the DeSantis was saying there,
I think he meant the media hasn't gone full end
of democracy. Fascism is upon us the way that they
will as those trials are going on.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
The trials aren't happening right now.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't think it works, and I think it doesn't
work because everybody's made up their mind about Trump, and
I think what Trump is benefiting from buck A lot
of people want to go back to pre COVID America.
A lot of people right now. And this is why
I think young people are actually supporting Trump too. If
you go back and look at twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
(10:35):
and twenty nineteen, January of twenty twenty is probably the
strongest the United States has ever been in the history
of our republic. When you look at the economy, when
you look at the safety around the world pre COVID,
it's hard to even comprehend how good are economy was.
(11:02):
Inflation didn't exist, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic record employment record wages,
A lot of you out there two and a half
three percent mortgages instead of seven and a half or
eight where we're sitting right now. There wasn't a massive
twenty plus percent price increase on everything in the United States.
(11:26):
We were at peace. I think a lot of people
nostalgically now buck are looking back and saying, yeah, you know,
I didn't like some of the things that Trump did,
But the controversy surrounding Trump seems small when we're basically
in a world war.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Here's what we can't leave out of it, though, right.
I agree with you, and I used to. I've said
this before. When I was doing radio solo in twenty nineteen.
I would tell the audience people like, stop, you sound
like you're euphoric. I would say, guys, this is about
as good as it's going to get for the country,
so enjoy it. We're at peace, the economy is kicking butt.
We've got a president who you know, is trying to
do the best he can for the country and not
(12:03):
for like the global community or you know, the UN
or whatever. And then obviously COVID hit. But since COVID
hit Clay, you know, you have you've had a few things,
You've had a few changes. Right if you're if you're
going to go back in time five years, you have
to take into account. One the way that January sixth
will be used in this election cycle, which yeah, it
(12:26):
was used in the midterm, but it hasn't really Donald
Trump wasn't on the ballot. They're going to bring all
of that back. The legal onslaught against Trump. I think
that we think right now that that's working at Trump's favor.
But there's polling that's we we and we love all
the polls, except the polls that say Trump loses in
every swing state if he's convicted, right, I I just
don't Yes, I just agree with you that I don't
(12:47):
believe it. But I'm just saying I don't think we
can just discount that because we don't like it, or
we you know, my gut and your gut are aligned
on that one. But the numbers. We love all these
numbers except those numbers, and I think we have to
be fair minded about well, you know, maybe there's maybe
there's some risk there to the analysis. And then you
know you obviously, the abortion issue, which has been a
tough one for Republicans, tougher than I thought it would be.
(13:09):
I'll be honest. I thought that I thought that it
would be less of an issue than it has been
in some of these elections. So there are some things
that make it. You know, I don't think that people
are going to transport their minds back to twenty nineteen necessarily.
And also, the economy can change a lot between now
and next year, whether it does in reality or just
does in perception. I mean, Democrats, you know this. They're
(13:31):
gonna they're gonna pull out the money gun. They're gonna
be spraying taxpayer cash around, and I think they're going
to start to bring rates down. There a lot of
things that's going one hundred percent happened starting in about March.
They're going to start to pull down rates and Biden's
going to say we beat inflation. The mortgage rates are
going to tick down a point point and a half,
and he's going to claim that they're on the way
back to two and a half or three percent.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think all that's gonna happen. Uh. By the way,
tell us which you think eight hundred and two A
two two eight a two? Uh, what are we missing?
If anything?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I think basically, and I'll build on this a little
bit when we come back. Buck to me, everybody's already
made up their mind what they think about Joe Biden
and what they think about Donald Trump. So I think
the idea that you're going to in some way alter
what people think is going to be challenging.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Can I just throw this in there. I think you're
right about ninety call it ninety seven percent of the electorate. Yeah,
two or three percent of the electorate. It's going to
determine the election. The whole thing, the billions of dollars,
everything that's going to happen between now and next November
is going to come down to probably a half a
million people over six states something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're probably right, that's that, by the way, that's that's
that's high.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean some people would say it'll come down to
you know, one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand people.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The one thing I'll say, Buck, is we go to
break here that I've been surprised by is the number
of people who say they're willing to change their mind.
That's the one thing I didn't factor in because obviously,
if you swing Biden to Trump, and I'm not seeing
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Welcome back in happy birthday to our nation's commander in chief,
Joe Biden, eighty one years young. Today he decided to
combat the idea that he's old and out of touch
by pardoning the Thanksgiving Turkey, I believe is what's going
on today. And he tried to talk about the Taylor
Swift Tour, I think, but he managed to get Beyonce,
(16:21):
Taylor Swift, and Britney Spears all mixed up together. Here
is the latest Biden word salad. Listen now.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Just to get here, Liberty and Belle had to beat
some tough odds competition, had to work hard to show
patience and be willing to travel over a thousand miles.
You could say, even this harder than getting a ticket
to the Renaissance Tour or Riftness Tour. She's down in.
(16:51):
It's kind of warm in Brazil right now?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What all right?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I understand some of you out there, maybe even
you yourself, Buck, probably you sort of have some sympathy
here for Biden, because you don't know the difference beyond
Say's tour was what he referenced. It's been done since October.
Taylor Swift is currently in Brazil doing her concert tour,
which is what he actually referenced, and Britney Spears, to
(17:17):
my knowledge, has not been on concert in years. So
he managed to conflate all three of those famous pop
stars in one gobblygook word salad, can.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I give a I'm gonna give you a really quick,
unpopular take here that I'll be gone for the next
few days, so hopefully everybody will forget. I think that
live music in stadium settings is almost always overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just putting it out there, just put it out there,
just saying, I just you're just gonna throw a bunch
of bombs.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Today and leave me to pick up a refuse on
Tuesday and Wednesday when you're out already celebrating Thanksgiving. I
wonder on some level whether this helps Biden because a
lot of you out there listening are like I have
no idea who those are either, but I just love
that they try to make him seem young and hip
and with it, and he manages to just mangle all.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Three of those into one mess.
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a Democrat. Well, I guess he's not. He's an independent.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Whenever you're a former Republican or just trashes Republicans all
the time for your TV job, you can say, well,
I'm an independent, but here is talking to uh missus.
Scarborough on the on the TV said this is clip
to play this one.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
New pulling from NBC News has Donald Trump ahead of
President Biden by.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Two points forty six to forty four.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Pus one second, I've got a yawn hold on the second.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
A yawning.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I know, because this is a pattern.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
This is the end of the world, according to Democrats,
according to David Axelrod, who by the way, said Biden
was toasted several times in twenty twenty, this is the
end of the world.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Excuse me while.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I yawn while Democrats left and right, who let's just.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Let's just say it.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Democrats who said he was toast in twenty twenty after
Iowa New Hampshire, now they're saying he's toast again.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Clay I hesitate to say this. I agree with the
sentiment here of Joe Scarborough. Given all that's going on.
Let me let me throw something out there because people
you and Scarborough BFFs. I knew it was gonna happen.
Guy's got pretty good hair. I mean, you know he's
no gap admitable.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But you're gonna be on soon, hanging out morning Joe,
drinking your coffee, chilling with Mika and Joe and.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
All their other stude the whole thing, two sixteen BC.
Battle of can I. We were just talking about Hannibal before,
and they're making a Netflix show with Denzel Washington as Hannibal,
one of the greatest military tacticians and commanders of all time.
Second Punic wards two sixteen BC. There have already been
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the Roman disasters where they got their butts kicked by
Hannibal at Trevia and Lake Trasimani. And they go to
the single biggest defeat that they had faced on the
second of August and two sixteen BC at Canai Clay.
And this is still taught in military academies and any
military history. It's basically eighty thousand, give or take Romans
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against fifty thousand mixed Carthaginian forces including Gauls and a
whole bunch of other Galeric Island, slingers, all kinds of stuff.
I bring it up because it's a classic example in history,
perhaps the most famous of what you call a double envelopment,
also a pincer move, right you probably it's probably.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Something it's referenced all the time in the Civil War
because everybody's trying. Everybody always thought they would destroy the
opposing army. No one really ever did until the Battle
of Nashville. So what they want, right, what they wanted
was a double envelopment. That's because that means you fully
surround the enemy. What happens at Canai is the overconfident
Roman consuls Vero and Paulus decide to sort of heavy
(22:00):
load the front line, and there's cavalry. Both of them
are cavern in the sides. Heavy load the front line.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
By the way, this is like an incredibly intricate and
important battle, and I'm doing this in thirty seconds, so
I don't just keep labbering on about it. But they push,
and they push and they push clay they get the
front line gets very confident. They're pushing in and as
they're pushing the Carthaginian forces are in a little bit
of retreat. They're pushing back. They're pushing back, but their sides,
the wings start the double envelopment, and then they finally
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when by the time the Romans figure out, because obviously
battlefield communication is very difficult, you're talking about tens of
thousands of people, they figure out that they are actually
by pushing in they are becoming surrounded. It is too late,
and you have an absolute slaughter. I mean, the contemporary
sources say of the eighty some oni thousand Romans, you know,
like a few thousand end up escaping and they basically
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just are slaughtered with spear and sword that day. One
of the biggest losses of battlefield life in one day
in all history, and it was because of overconfidence of
the front line. Is the GOP right now now in
a consul Veris and Paulo Romans at canny moment where
we think.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, it's amazing, we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Crush Biden, and they're actually coming around our sides in
a double envelopment in twenty twenty four, right now, if
the election were held today, I think Trump, if he
were the nominee or DeSantis, but certainly Trump, because I
think he's the most battle tested at this point to
build on your analogy would win comfortably. If you are
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a Democrat supporter, I think you have to believe that
Biden is going to somehow rise, not as much as
Trump is going to fall, because I.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Don't think Trump's gore.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Here is my thesis, and you can grab this and
we'll talk about it in uh in October as we
get closer to the election. I just don't believe there's
gonna be that much movement. The thing that has Supper
the most about where we are in this cycle is
(24:05):
that every time there are voters that are surveyed, there
are way more people that are willing to say I
voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty and I'm flipping
to Trump in twenty twenty four than I ever would
have believed.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm sure you see this, and DeSantis said it, others
are saying it. Yeah, are we falling?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is the GOP?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Is the Republican Party falling into a trap of over confidence.
That's why I brought up can I, because the whole
point is like, yeah, oh, we're winning, we're winning, an
oh my gosh, wait, what have we done? Now We've lost?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, I don't what do you say I know you
can't answer because we under the election, but that analysis,
what are the pros and cons? Because that's what Ron
DeSantis is saying, that's what some others are saying.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, if you are buying that, then you have to
believe that they are trying to get Trump to be
the nominee, yes, and that they they think that once
he's the nominee and he's officially locked in, let's say
in February or March, that they are going to be
able to slaughter him right in the same way that
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happened at the Battle of Canai. I don't buy it.
I think that that was their initial thesis. I think
they thought, hey, we're gonna weaken Trump will strengthen him
in the Republican primary. I think what they have failed
on is Trump is sort of a teflon candidate at
(25:30):
this point. I don't mean that he doesn't have weaknesses,
but I mean that all of his weaknesses have already
been publicly analyzed and considered and either accepted or rejected
by voters. There's nothing that I really believe this. There's
nothing that Trump, sort of a health related concern, is
(25:50):
going to say or do in the next eleven months.
That's going to make people out there say, oh, this
is different than Trump. Now, let me say this because
we've got a lot of Trump people who we got
a lot of different campaigns. If I were running the
Trump campaign right now, I would go all in on
Trump is actually a grandpa and he's a super nice guy.
(26:11):
I saw a video that should be I think the
lead for Trump's ad buys right now. It was Trump
going to Grandparents' Day with one of his granddaughters in
North Carolina. I think the Lara Trump, her daughter. I
think it was in North Carolina. I could be wrong.
If I were buying ads right now, I would be
(26:32):
buying social media ads of Trump holding that little kindergartener
it looked like's hand and walking into grandparents' day, and
I would be putting those everywhere where every mom and
grandma goes on social media so that you couldn't miss it.
And the reason why I say that is I actually
think Trump has an opportunity to be way more likable
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than he is.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't think the same is true for Biden.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think they've already played the uncle Joe Grandpa Joe card,
and today with him turning eighty one Buck, his greatest
flaw is his age, and every day it gets worse.
So I don't I think their thesis was we're gonna
wound Trump and he's gonna be unelectable in twenty twenty
(27:23):
four based on the legal proceedings and everything else. I
think that's failed. And I think worse than failing, I
think it's backfired on them. Remember the Wall Street Journal
had a story Buck where they said they tested all
these super negative ads acts back that actually they worked
in his favor.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, when they were running ads about his legal issues.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I just it feels to me like there's this exuberance,
there's there's a right now. The GOP has an over
and over confidence and I can't shape that. And I
think it's because I've got you know, so post twenty
twenty two trauma. You know, I remember twenty needed to win.
(28:07):
I mean, didn't win the races we needed to win.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Correct, But but if you won a national popular vote
by two points in the presidential race, the presidential race
wouldn't be close. And so I get the frustration over
twenty twenty two. But when you actually go back through it,
you know, we had a red wave in New York
and in Florida. But a red wave requires you win
(28:30):
by five or six points in order to truly flip
things in a big way in the House or the Senate.
That didn't happen. And honestly, I think, and I hate
to give him credit, but I think a lot of
that was candidate quality. I think if the if the
Republican I worked as hard as I could for herschel Walker,
if the Republicans had run the blandest, most boring Republican
(28:52):
Senate candidate in Georgia, I think they won every other
race by seven and a half or eight points.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think they would have won.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And I think the same thing likely would have happened
in Pennsylvania if McCormick had been the nominee. I think
that if they hadn't had a disastrous Mastriano, who we like,
but he lost by fourteen points. So I think what's
going to happen Buck in your historical analogy is Biden's
not going to run. I think it's the Democrats whose
(29:23):
strategy is flawed and they're going to have to adjust.
And then that's when I get nervous, because we're all
geared up for Trump v. Biden, and I think Biden
is the weakest candidate that Democrats.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Can put forward.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
This is so interesting because there are people who really
believe out there who are very conservative. We're a very
right wing They think that the you know, the Democrats
are very quiet about it, right, But we have to
banish that thinking right away, because a year is an eternity.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
In an ala, it is an eternity.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But I would say this and lots of things can
change that don't involve Trump or Biden and the large
look at what happened with COVID in February and March
of twenty But I do think we have to recognize
that this campaign is unique in a way that nothing
like it has ever occurred in any of our lives.
Where every single person knows everything about Joe Biden and
(30:14):
everything about Trump. Usually the challenger is not that well known.
If it's a Trump Biden rematch, everybody knows everything, so
redefining the candidates becomes very very hard.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But isn't that then just the question is if this
is going to be turning on a razor's edge, who's
going to be better at that?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This is where it is. I think, well, the get
out the vote.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Your your thesis, which is scary is that the candidate
doesn't matter because Democrats have perfected to get out the
vote machine in the states where it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
For those That is that is my belief. That is
what keep you know, if you're asking what keeps me
up at night about this election, and put aside any
actual shenanigans or fraud or cheating, it's that. It's that
I just I think the Vetter effect. They're better at
this in Pennsylvania and in Michigan and in Georgia, in
Consin than we are. Yes, that's when airly Ess concerns me.
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on this Monday edition of the program, we got a
bunch of you who want to weigh in. Variety of
(32:45):
different topics. Let's take some of those calls right here,
and let's start with Kate in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Kate, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Hight You guys asked if we might be missing something.
We are all that we are all missing. Here's what
I think we are a message Democrats do not care
if Biden is incompetent. In fact, by voting for Biden,
it's like liberals are giving everyone the big middle finger,
as in, they could hook forth Big Bird and still
vote for him because they all know that the liberal
machine is running the country. And that's why I think
Biden will unfortunately win.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I mean, it sounds like you're on team Buck on
this one. That's what I've been saying for like a
year now.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yes, Yes, I just I see everything falling into place
for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I get fear and hear that Big Bird she
thinks they could run Big Bert.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, I mean John Fetterman. Big Bird's probably better spokesperson
than John Fetterman was in the twenty twenty two election.
Jessica san Antonio down in Texas with us.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
What's up, Jessica, Hey, guys, Okay, so my take on
all of this is and I don't even know who
this person's going to be. I would be very interested
to know who Trump is going to have running with him,
who is running made it's going to be. I think
that's going to be of the utmost importance.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Jessica, you didn't vote for according to this, you didn't
vote for Trump in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Who'd you vote for? Do you not vote at all?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
I sat out twenty twenty because I was always a Democrat, always,
but I could not even I can't stand Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, so okay, So what made you change? You said
you were a lifelong Democrat. I've talked about this. I
voted Democrat earlier in my life. I think Democrats have
gone crazy. But I'm curious, was there something that occurred?
Was it COVID like what changed for you such that
I'm assuming if Trump ran in twenty four, you would
be a voter for him in twenty four, ready to.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
Vote for him.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:31):
I would say for me, it's really just the Democrats
going so far to the left and really seeing what
they have done to Trump, you know, and really just
you know, listening to both sides. I think it's I
think it's you know, terrible what they've done to him,
and I think, you know, painting him as a racist.
(34:52):
I just can't find the evidence for all of these
things they are accusing him of. And I and I
should be able to find that being a liberal person,
you know, with the friends I have, I just can't.
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
How old How old are you, Jessica? How old are you?
Speaker 9 (35:07):
I'm thirty nine?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, you're thirty nine. How do your friends around your
same age react if and when you tell them that
you're going to vote for Trump? Are they concerned about abortion?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
What is the reaction when you have those conversations with
other women?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
With women one hundred percent, it's about his They think
he's a white supremacist. I mean, this is that comes
out of their mouth. They think that that's that's what
he is. Abortion is going to be a huge issue,
I mean for Democrats and for women who say they're independent,
but they're going to vote pro choice no matter what.
I mean. I you know, that's just that's a big
(35:43):
issue for all women. But they the way that my
circle of friends and a lot of these people are
Trump voters. Now, I mean, I'm telling you he has
really converted a lot of people. I have I don't
even I mean, well, just.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
The polling seems to indicate that some thing. Thank you
for the cop recently, Thank you for calling Jessica Clay,
because these are it's not like, oh yeah, it's neck
and neck, because that's always what we would have expected
between Biden and Trump, because that's what it has been
in the past. Yeah, he has surged. Why is he
surging in the polling? I talked about the possibility that
this is almost a trap.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You know, this is meant to it's a trip. Maybe
it's a trap.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Maybe not, maybe not, Clay, where are you taking the
CNB train of the next hour.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Let's dive into I think, in particular the fact that
Biden's eighty one years old today. You're not gonna hear this.
Talked about very many places. You heard Biden in DeSantis
and the cliff that you played, say, Trump is seventy seven,
and you know he's got the same age issue. They're
hiding the fact that Biden is having his birthday today.
(36:48):
They had a wedding on the eightieth birthday to try
to distract that as well.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Biden can barely walk. Trump shot a seventy two on
the golf course the day we saw
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Right slay Avis and buck Sexton on the front lines
of truth.
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now,
and man, we are in the Thanksgiving holiday week already,
signed is flying. A lot of us will be flying.
Apparently the biggest travel season ever ever is anticipated, like
thirty million people are going to be moving about for
Thanksgiving this year. So we're talking to you more about that.
(00:28):
I'm out after today, so you've got Clay for a
couple of days, getting you prepared for Turkey Day. He's
going to be talking to you about the deliciousness of
cranberry sauce. He will probably be defending some of the
more idiosyncratic Thanksgiving sides of the South, including what is
it the green bean cast.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Role that you all like so much? That's always the
one that I see.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I made it clear that I'm very anti green bean,
So that's the one food that I just I think
is always awful no matter where are a lot of it.
It seems I'm just gonna say, whenever they put out
that chart, there are a lot of Tennesseeans disagree with you.
In the Northeast, We've uh, well, I live in Florida
now but formerly fairly love rolls.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
That's the big thing. We're big Norman people in the midding.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I think I think the biscuit and roll is maybe
the greatest thing the South is given to America. So
I'm even disputing what what the guidelines are there, and.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm I'm even gonna say this.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We're about to get into all the news by the way,
just to be clear, But I just Thanksgiving. Yeah, But
because it's my last day before thanks Kevin, I'm already
thinking about the Thanksgiving feast. I'm a big fan of
when the cranberry sauce maybe it's accidental, maybe it's not,
and you mix it a little bit with the gravy
and you get this kind of salty swee. I don't know.
It sounds weird, but it works on the plate. I'm
just telling you, all right, it is a birthday today,
(01:46):
you know. I have my brother Mason's birthday coming up
in the have it coming up in a few days,
have my little brother's birthday over the weekend. So happy
birthday to Keats and a Mason coming up. But there's
a birthday that a lot of people are focused on
right now. Clay because you know, it sort of goes
right to the center of the biggest political discussion of
the country right now. A lot of poll numbers out,
(02:06):
a lot of discussion underway. Everyone keeps asking me, I've
never had so many people way in any of our
steake bets. I'm just gonna let you know, I get
people who just like, oh man, Clay is right, and
they're like, oh man, you got to take him to
the cleaners when he has to buy you a stake
both sides of will Biden be Biden, Kamala be the
nominee or will there be something else going on with Democrats?
(02:28):
Today is Joe Biden's birthday. Happy birthday, Joe Biden eighty
one years old, everybody, he is eighty one, and as
it stands right now, he'll be running for his second
term as president of the United States. We've got a
lot to talk about. Also on the primary side, Trump's numbers,
all the rest of it. But you know, CNN had
(02:51):
this headline up Biden's birthday prompts debate about age and
wisdom of America's oldest president. And this comes at a
time there's a lot of these editorials Clay and here's
I got a couple of broad thoughts. I want to
share this with you, and then I know you got
some data to break down for us. I think that
Democrats have realized finally, like those who thought maybe there
(03:15):
was something else that was going to happen, the window
is now closed for there to be normal process to
replace Joe Biden. That is basically gone now. The only
things that could happen would be break the glass plants
because they don't have time to get a primary done.
They don't Democrats don't have time to do a normal
process of replacement and running an election and all the
(03:37):
rest of it. They can't get on the state ballots.
With that in mind, Clay, the Trump numbers right now,
what do you make of it versus Biden? I mean, yeah,
so here is the So my big analysis here as
we sit eleven months out, is the story of Joe
Biden has shifted from he's an empty vessel, who's a
(03:59):
nod Trump candidate, which is effectively what they ran.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
In twenty twenty in the basement campaign.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But they got the benefit of COVID and I think
in the same way that Jimmy Carter and Rest in
Peace Rosalind Carter, who died over the weekend at ninety
six years old. Whatever you think of Jimmy and Jimmy
Carter's presidency, he and Rosalind had one of the great
marriages in all of American political history. It does seem
quite clear. And I read Buck that they still live
(04:27):
in the same house in Plains, Georgia that they built
in nineteen sixty one. Jimmy Carter might be the only
former president who didn't get fabulously wealthy off being president
of the United States, and anybody out there listening's life basically,
but in the same way that Jimmy Carter was an
accidental president in the aftermath of Watergate, I think COVID
(04:50):
made Joe Biden an accidental president. And the data, as
you reference in that CNN poll, other than Trump, who
obviously the polls hated in twenty twenty, no incumbent president
in any of our lives has been in as rough
as shape as Joe Biden is in right now. And
here is the Harvard Harris pole that just came out,
(05:12):
that is coming out on Joe Biden's eighty first birthday, Buck,
and this is now showing the biggest lead that Donald
Trump has ever.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Had that I remember in a national poll.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Trump is up six in the poll that just came
out today, fifty three to forty seven. If RFK Junior
is added to the mix, Trump is up eight. And
if RFK Junior, Cornell West and Jill Stein, who is
the Green Party candidate, is added, Trump is up nine.
These are uh, oh, break the glass moments for the
(05:48):
Democrat Party, I think, buck and that's why I believe
that increasingly there is going there. It seems to me
as we move through this holiday season, a lot of
people are going to be sitting around over Thanksgiving, over Christmas,
and then over New Years. I think by the time
we come back post New Years, presuming that these numbers
(06:10):
haven't really shifted much, and I don't think they will have,
there's going to be an acknowledgment that Democrats have to
figure out a way to get Joe Biden off the ticket.
And I thought that it would be Biden announcing he's
not running and everybody gets on and they have a
real primary debate over who the candidate should be.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We've missed that deadline.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You think that they're just going to stick with Joe
Biden I think to break the glass moment is here.
Things are so bad that they're not going to trot
him out, and I think they're going to come up
with a candidate Michelle Obama is my fear at the
Democrat National Convention this summer.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
There's a lot going on here. It's funny because this
is one where now I just see people, you know,
I play some tennis to the friend this week, and
this is the thing that everyone asked. This is the
number one question, much more so than anything about the
primary and Trump and Desantists and all the rest. People say,
is it going to be Biden? You know, I have
one brother, for example, who thinks it will be Biden,
another who thinks it definitely won't be Biden. So I
(07:06):
sit here and I'm like, Okay, this is this is
now the center of political gravity.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
In the country, and this is what everyone's thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Let me let me give you first off, Ron DeSantis
over the weekend. Now you could obviously he's got his
own feelings on this because he wants to be president
and he wants to be the nominee for the Republicans.
This has cut three. Here's the here's a case that
he is you know, let's be a little contrarian here
for a second. Let's open up the possibility that there
might be something we're not seeing. This is what Governor
(07:36):
Santis of Florida says, play three.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I wouldn't be running unless I thought that that the
Democrats would beat Trump if he were the nominee. I mean,
they're going very easy on him right now. I mean
they're they're not saying much the minute. If he were
to be the nominee, I mean, you're gonna see scorched earth.
You're going to see all this stuff brought up from
from the past, and the whole election will end up
being a referendum on Donald Trump, and Biden will be
(07:59):
able to hang out in the basement, and I think
he'll be able to get away with it. Again, Look,
the presidency is not a job for somebody that's pushing
eighty years old. I just think that that's something that
has been shown with Joe Biden. Father time is undefeated.
Donald Trump is not exempt from any of that.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Okay, now we can we just put out he's basically saying, yeah,
Biden's too old. But to a lot of voters, not
Trump people, obviously, but a lot of voters in the middle.
They're going to say, well, basically, Trump is, you know,
as old, we can make the case, and we do that,
He's much more with it and all the rest of it.
But Clay, I look at twenty twenty two as a
warning sign where everything look like Democrats they're gonna get crushed.
(08:40):
They're so you know, they're the polls look terrible for them.
Inflation is the worst it's been in forty years. Twenty
twenty two is really disappointing. Twenty twenty three off your
election pretty disappointing. Even though we are where we are
with Biden the Democrats, are we being lulled into false
confidence on twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I've said, and I still believe that if Ron DeSantis,
Nikki Hayley, vive ak Ramaswami, or Donald Trump or the
nominee running against Joe Biden, I think all four of
those guys would win. I have had thoughts that DeSantis
shared there about Donald Trump's electability over this past year,
certainly in the wake of twenty twenty two. But here's
(09:21):
where I think things have changed. Biden is going to
be the story. I think it's going to be hard
to hide Joe Biden, because again, think about twenty twenty
it's almost always a referendum on the incumbent. Now they'll
try to make twenty twenty four a referendum on Trump,
but boss.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
With the legal system erectively as the primary weapon.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Which is, by the way, why I also don't believe
that they're going easy on Trump. Only in a Trump
world could we say going easy on Trump is trying
to put him in jail for the rest of his
life and being underway.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
To be fair to what the DeSantis was saying there,
I think he meant the media hasn't gone full end
of democracy. Fascism is upon us the way that they
will as those trials are going on.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
The trials aren't happening right now.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't think it works, and I think it doesn't
work because everybody's made up their mind about Trump, and
I think what Trump is benefiting from buck A lot
of people want to go back to pre COVID America.
A lot of people right now. And this is why
I think young people are actually supporting Trump too. If
you go back and look at twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
(10:35):
and twenty nineteen, January of twenty twenty is probably the
strongest the United States has ever been in the history
of our republic. When you look at the economy, when
you look at the safety around the world pre COVID,
it's hard to even comprehend how good are economy was.
(11:02):
Inflation didn't exist, White, Black, Asian, Hispanic record employment record wages,
A lot of you out there two and a half
three percent mortgages instead of seven and a half or
eight where we're sitting right now. There wasn't a massive
twenty plus percent price increase on everything in the United States.
(11:26):
We were at peace. I think a lot of people
nostalgically now buck are looking back and saying, yeah, you know,
I didn't like some of the things that Trump did,
But the controversy surrounding Trump seems small when we're basically
in a world war.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Here's what we can't leave out of it, though, right.
I agree with you, and I used to. I've said
this before. When I was doing radio solo in twenty nineteen.
I would tell the audience people like, stop, you sound
like you're euphoric. I would say, guys, this is about
as good as it's going to get for the country,
so enjoy it. We're at peace, the economy is kicking butt.
We've got a president who you know, is trying to
do the best he can for the country and not
(12:03):
for like the global community or you know, the UN
or whatever. And then obviously COVID hit. But since COVID
hit Clay, you know, you have you've had a few things,
You've had a few changes. Right if you're if you're
going to go back in time five years, you have
to take into account. One the way that January sixth
will be used in this election cycle, which yeah, it
(12:26):
was used in the midterm, but it hasn't really Donald
Trump wasn't on the ballot. They're going to bring all
of that back. The legal onslaught against Trump. I think
that we think right now that that's working at Trump's favor.
But there's polling that's we we and we love all
the polls, except the polls that say Trump loses in
every swing state if he's convicted, right, I I just
don't Yes, I just agree with you that I don't
(12:47):
believe it. But I'm just saying I don't think we
can just discount that because we don't like it, or
we you know, my gut and your gut are aligned
on that one. But the numbers. We love all these
numbers except those numbers, and I think we have to
be fair minded about well, you know, maybe there's maybe
there's some risk there to the analysis. And then you
know you obviously, the abortion issue, which has been a
tough one for Republicans, tougher than I thought it would be.
(13:09):
I'll be honest. I thought that I thought that it
would be less of an issue than it has been
in some of these elections. So there are some things
that make it. You know, I don't think that people
are going to transport their minds back to twenty nineteen necessarily.
And also, the economy can change a lot between now
and next year, whether it does in reality or just
does in perception. I mean, Democrats, you know this. They're
(13:31):
gonna they're gonna pull out the money gun. They're gonna
be spraying taxpayer cash around, and I think they're going
to start to bring rates down. There a lot of
things that's going one hundred percent happened starting in about March.
They're going to start to pull down rates and Biden's
going to say we beat inflation. The mortgage rates are
going to tick down a point point and a half,
and he's going to claim that they're on the way
back to two and a half or three percent.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I think all that's gonna happen. Uh. By the way,
tell us which you think eight hundred and two A
two two eight a two? Uh, what are we missing?
If anything?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I think basically, and I'll build on this a little
bit when we come back. Buck to me, everybody's already
made up their mind what they think about Joe Biden
and what they think about Donald Trump. So I think
the idea that you're going to in some way alter
what people think is going to be challenging.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Can I just throw this in there. I think you're
right about ninety call it ninety seven percent of the electorate. Yeah,
two or three percent of the electorate. It's going to
determine the election. The whole thing, the billions of dollars,
everything that's going to happen between now and next November
is going to come down to probably a half a
million people over six states something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're probably right, that's that, by the way, that's that's
that's high.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean some people would say it'll come down to
you know, one hundred and one hundred and fifty thousand people.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The one thing I'll say, Buck, is we go to
break here that I've been surprised by is the number
of people who say they're willing to change their mind.
That's the one thing I didn't factor in because obviously,
if you swing Biden to Trump, and I'm not seeing
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Speaker 1 (16:00):
Welcome back in happy birthday to our nation's commander in chief,
Joe Biden, eighty one years young. Today he decided to
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by pardoning the Thanksgiving Turkey, I believe is what's going
on today. And he tried to talk about the Taylor
Swift Tour, I think, but he managed to get Beyonce,
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Taylor Swift, and Britney Spears all mixed up together. Here
is the latest Biden word salad. Listen now.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Just to get here, Liberty and Belle had to beat
some tough odds competition, had to work hard to show
patience and be willing to travel over a thousand miles.
You could say, even this harder than getting a ticket
to the Renaissance Tour or Riftness Tour. She's down in.
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It's kind of warm in Brazil right now?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What all right?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So I understand some of you out there, maybe even
you yourself, Buck, probably you sort of have some sympathy
here for Biden, because you don't know the difference beyond
Say's tour was what he referenced. It's been done since October.
Taylor Swift is currently in Brazil doing her concert tour,
which is what he actually referenced, and Britney Spears, to
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my knowledge, has not been on concert in years. So
he managed to conflate all three of those famous pop
stars in one gobblygook word salad, can.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I give a I'm gonna give you a really quick,
unpopular take here that I'll be gone for the next
few days, so hopefully everybody will forget. I think that
live music in stadium settings is almost always overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Just putting it out there, just put it out there,
just saying, I just you're just gonna throw a bunch
of bombs.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Today and leave me to pick up a refuse on
Tuesday and Wednesday when you're out already celebrating Thanksgiving. I
wonder on some level whether this helps Biden because a
lot of you out there listening are like I have
no idea who those are either, but I just love
that they try to make him seem young and hip
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a Democrat. Well, I guess he's not. He's an independent.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
That's what.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Whenever you're a former Republican or just trashes Republicans all
the time for your TV job, you can say, well,
I'm an independent, but here is talking to uh missus.
Scarborough on the on the TV said this is clip
to play this one.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
New pulling from NBC News has Donald Trump ahead of
President Biden by.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Two points forty six to forty four.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
Pus one second, I've got a yawn hold on the second.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
A yawning.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I know, because this is a pattern.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
This is the end of the world, according to Democrats,
according to David Axelrod, who by the way, said Biden
was toasted several times in twenty twenty, this is the
end of the world.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Excuse me while.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I yawn while Democrats left and right, who let's just.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Let's just say it.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Democrats who said he was toast in twenty twenty after
Iowa New Hampshire, now they're saying he's toast again.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Clay I hesitate to say this. I agree with the
sentiment here of Joe Scarborough. Given all that's going on.
Let me let me throw something out there because people
you and Scarborough BFFs. I knew it was gonna happen.
Guy's got pretty good hair. I mean, you know he's
no gap admitable.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
But you're gonna be on soon, hanging out morning Joe,
drinking your coffee, chilling with Mika and Joe and.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
All their other stude the whole thing, two sixteen BC.
Battle of can I. We were just talking about Hannibal before,
and they're making a Netflix show with Denzel Washington as Hannibal,
one of the greatest military tacticians and commanders of all time.
Second Punic wards two sixteen BC. There have already been
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the Roman disasters where they got their butts kicked by
Hannibal at Trevia and Lake Trasimani. And they go to
the single biggest defeat that they had faced on the
second of August and two sixteen BC at Canai Clay.
And this is still taught in military academies and any
military history. It's basically eighty thousand, give or take Romans
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against fifty thousand mixed Carthaginian forces including Gauls and a
whole bunch of other Galeric Island, slingers, all kinds of stuff.
I bring it up because it's a classic example in history,
perhaps the most famous of what you call a double envelopment,
also a pincer move, right you probably it's probably.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Something it's referenced all the time in the Civil War
because everybody's trying. Everybody always thought they would destroy the
opposing army. No one really ever did until the Battle
of Nashville. So what they want, right, what they wanted
was a double envelopment. That's because that means you fully
surround the enemy. What happens at Canai is the overconfident
Roman consuls Vero and Paulus decide to sort of heavy
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load the front line, and there's cavalry. Both of them
are cavern in the sides. Heavy load the front line.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
By the way, this is like an incredibly intricate and
important battle, and I'm doing this in thirty seconds, so
I don't just keep labbering on about it. But they push,
and they push and they push clay they get the
front line gets very confident. They're pushing in and as
they're pushing the Carthaginian forces are in a little bit
of retreat. They're pushing back. They're pushing back, but their sides,
the wings start the double envelopment, and then they finally
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when by the time the Romans figure out, because obviously
battlefield communication is very difficult, you're talking about tens of
thousands of people, they figure out that they are actually
by pushing in they are becoming surrounded. It is too late,
and you have an absolute slaughter. I mean, the contemporary
sources say of the eighty some oni thousand Romans, you know,
like a few thousand end up escaping and they basically
(22:48):
just are slaughtered with spear and sword that day. One
of the biggest losses of battlefield life in one day
in all history, and it was because of overconfidence of
the front line. Is the GOP right now now in
a consul Veris and Paulo Romans at canny moment where
we think.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, it's amazing, we're gonna.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Crush Biden, and they're actually coming around our sides in
a double envelopment in twenty twenty four, right now, if
the election were held today, I think Trump, if he
were the nominee or DeSantis, but certainly Trump, because I
think he's the most battle tested at this point to
build on your analogy would win comfortably. If you are
(23:28):
a Democrat supporter, I think you have to believe that
Biden is going to somehow rise, not as much as
Trump is going to fall, because I.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Don't think Trump's gore.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Here is my thesis, and you can grab this and
we'll talk about it in uh in October as we
get closer to the election. I just don't believe there's
gonna be that much movement. The thing that has Supper
the most about where we are in this cycle is
(24:05):
that every time there are voters that are surveyed, there
are way more people that are willing to say I
voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty and I'm flipping
to Trump in twenty twenty four than I ever would
have believed.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I'm sure you see this, and DeSantis said it, others
are saying it. Yeah, are we falling?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Is the GOP?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Is the Republican Party falling into a trap of over confidence.
That's why I brought up can I, because the whole
point is like, yeah, oh, we're winning, we're winning, an
oh my gosh, wait, what have we done? Now We've lost?
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Right?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, I don't what do you say I know you
can't answer because we under the election, but that analysis,
what are the pros and cons? Because that's what Ron
DeSantis is saying, that's what some others are saying.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Well, if you are buying that, then you have to
believe that they are trying to get Trump to be
the nominee, yes, and that they they think that once
he's the nominee and he's officially locked in, let's say
in February or March, that they are going to be
able to slaughter him right in the same way that
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happened at the Battle of Canai. I don't buy it.
I think that that was their initial thesis. I think
they thought, hey, we're gonna weaken Trump will strengthen him
in the Republican primary. I think what they have failed
on is Trump is sort of a teflon candidate at
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this point. I don't mean that he doesn't have weaknesses,
but I mean that all of his weaknesses have already
been publicly analyzed and considered and either accepted or rejected
by voters. There's nothing that I really believe this. There's
nothing that Trump, sort of a health related concern, is
(25:50):
going to say or do in the next eleven months.
That's going to make people out there say, oh, this
is different than Trump. Now, let me say this because
we've got a lot of Trump people who we got
a lot of different campaigns. If I were running the
Trump campaign right now, I would go all in on
Trump is actually a grandpa and he's a super nice guy.
(26:11):
I saw a video that should be I think the
lead for Trump's ad buys right now. It was Trump
going to Grandparents' Day with one of his granddaughters in
North Carolina. I think the Lara Trump, her daughter. I
think it was in North Carolina. I could be wrong.
If I were buying ads right now, I would be
(26:32):
buying social media ads of Trump holding that little kindergartener
it looked like's hand and walking into grandparents' day, and
I would be putting those everywhere where every mom and
grandma goes on social media so that you couldn't miss it.
And the reason why I say that is I actually
think Trump has an opportunity to be way more likable
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than he is.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I don't think the same is true for Biden.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think they've already played the uncle Joe Grandpa Joe card,
and today with him turning eighty one Buck, his greatest
flaw is his age, and every day it gets worse.
So I don't I think their thesis was we're gonna
wound Trump and he's gonna be unelectable in twenty twenty
(27:23):
four based on the legal proceedings and everything else. I
think that's failed. And I think worse than failing, I
think it's backfired on them. Remember the Wall Street Journal
had a story Buck where they said they tested all
these super negative ads acts back that actually they worked
in his favor.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, when they were running ads about his legal issues.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
I just it feels to me like there's this exuberance,
there's there's a right now. The GOP has an over
and over confidence and I can't shape that. And I
think it's because I've got you know, so post twenty
twenty two trauma. You know, I remember twenty needed to win.
(28:07):
I mean, didn't win the races we needed to win.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Correct, But but if you won a national popular vote
by two points in the presidential race, the presidential race
wouldn't be close. And so I get the frustration over
twenty twenty two. But when you actually go back through it,
you know, we had a red wave in New York
and in Florida. But a red wave requires you win
(28:30):
by five or six points in order to truly flip
things in a big way in the House or the Senate.
That didn't happen. And honestly, I think, and I hate
to give him credit, but I think a lot of
that was candidate quality. I think if the if the
Republican I worked as hard as I could for herschel Walker,
if the Republicans had run the blandest, most boring Republican
(28:52):
Senate candidate in Georgia, I think they won every other
race by seven and a half or eight points.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I think they would have won.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And I think the same thing likely would have happened
in Pennsylvania if McCormick had been the nominee. I think
that if they hadn't had a disastrous Mastriano, who we like,
but he lost by fourteen points. So I think what's
going to happen Buck in your historical analogy is Biden's
not going to run. I think it's the Democrats whose
(29:23):
strategy is flawed and they're going to have to adjust.
And then that's when I get nervous, because we're all
geared up for Trump v. Biden, and I think Biden
is the weakest candidate that Democrats.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Can put forward.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
This is so interesting because there are people who really
believe out there who are very conservative. We're a very
right wing They think that the you know, the Democrats
are very quiet about it, right, But we have to
banish that thinking right away, because a year is an eternity.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
In an ala, it is an eternity.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
But I would say this and lots of things can
change that don't involve Trump or Biden and the large
look at what happened with COVID in February and March
of twenty But I do think we have to recognize
that this campaign is unique in a way that nothing
like it has ever occurred in any of our lives.
Where every single person knows everything about Joe Biden and
(30:14):
everything about Trump. Usually the challenger is not that well known.
If it's a Trump Biden rematch, everybody knows everything, so
redefining the candidates becomes very very hard.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
But isn't that then just the question is if this
is going to be turning on a razor's edge, who's
going to be better at that?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
This is where it is. I think, well, the get
out the vote.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Your your thesis, which is scary is that the candidate
doesn't matter because Democrats have perfected to get out the
vote machine in the states where it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
For those That is that is my belief. That is
what keep you know, if you're asking what keeps me
up at night about this election, and put aside any
actual shenanigans or fraud or cheating, it's that. It's that
I just I think the Vetter effect. They're better at
this in Pennsylvania and in Michigan and in Georgia, in
Consin than we are. Yes, that's when airly Ess concerns me.
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on this Monday edition of the program, we got a
bunch of you who want to weigh in. Variety of
(32:45):
different topics. Let's take some of those calls right here,
and let's start with Kate in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Kate, what you got for us?
Speaker 8 (32:54):
Hight You guys asked if we might be missing something.
We are all that we are all missing. Here's what
I think we are a message Democrats do not care
if Biden is incompetent. In fact, by voting for Biden,
it's like liberals are giving everyone the big middle finger,
as in, they could hook forth Big Bird and still
vote for him because they all know that the liberal
machine is running the country. And that's why I think
Biden will unfortunately win.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I mean, it sounds like you're on team Buck on
this one. That's what I've been saying for like a
year now.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yes, Yes, I just I see everything falling into place
for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I get fear and hear that Big Bird she
thinks they could run Big Bert.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Well, I mean John Fetterman. Big Bird's probably better spokesperson
than John Fetterman was in the twenty twenty two election.
Jessica san Antonio down in Texas with us.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
What's up, Jessica, Hey, guys, Okay, so my take on
all of this is and I don't even know who
this person's going to be. I would be very interested
to know who Trump is going to have running with him,
who is running made it's going to be. I think
that's going to be of the utmost importance.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Jessica, you didn't vote for according to this, you didn't
vote for Trump in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Who'd you vote for? Do you not vote at all?
Speaker 9 (34:04):
I sat out twenty twenty because I was always a Democrat, always,
but I could not even I can't stand Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, so okay, So what made you change? You said
you were a lifelong Democrat. I've talked about this. I
voted Democrat earlier in my life. I think Democrats have
gone crazy. But I'm curious, was there something that occurred?
Was it COVID like what changed for you such that
I'm assuming if Trump ran in twenty four, you would
be a voter for him in twenty four, ready to.
Speaker 9 (34:30):
Vote for him.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (34:31):
I would say for me, it's really just the Democrats
going so far to the left and really seeing what
they have done to Trump, you know, and really just
you know, listening to both sides. I think it's I
think it's you know, terrible what they've done to him,
and I think, you know, painting him as a racist.
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I just can't find the evidence for all of these
things they are accusing him of. And I and I
should be able to find that being a liberal person,
you know, with the friends I have, I just can't.
I just can't.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
How old How old are you, Jessica? How old are you?
Speaker 9 (35:07):
I'm thirty nine?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, you're thirty nine. How do your friends around your
same age react if and when you tell them that
you're going to vote for Trump? Are they concerned about abortion?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Like?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
What would you say?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
What is the reaction when you have those conversations with
other women?
Speaker 9 (35:22):
With women one hundred percent, it's about his They think
he's a white supremacist. I mean, this is that comes
out of their mouth. They think that that's that's what
he is. Abortion is going to be a huge issue,
I mean for Democrats and for women who say they're independent,
but they're going to vote pro choice no matter what.
I mean. I you know, that's just that's a big
(35:43):
issue for all women. But they the way that my
circle of friends and a lot of these people are
Trump voters. Now, I mean, I'm telling you he has
really converted a lot of people. I have I don't
even I mean, well, just.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
The polling seems to indicate that some thing. Thank you
for the cop recently, Thank you for calling Jessica Clay,
because these are it's not like, oh yeah, it's neck
and neck, because that's always what we would have expected
between Biden and Trump, because that's what it has been
in the past. Yeah, he has surged. Why is he
surging in the polling? I talked about the possibility that
this is almost a trap.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You know, this is meant to it's a trip. Maybe
it's a trap.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Maybe not, maybe not, Clay, where are you taking the
CNB train of the next hour.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Let's dive into I think, in particular the fact that
Biden's eighty one years old today. You're not gonna hear this.
Talked about very many places. You heard Biden in DeSantis
and the cliff that you played, say, Trump is seventy seven,
and you know he's got the same age issue. They're
hiding the fact that Biden is having his birthday today.
(36:48):
They had a wedding on the eightieth birthday to try
to distract that as well.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Biden can barely walk. Trump shot a seventy two on
the golf course the day we saw
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