September 14, 2023 • 36 mins
Bidenomics is a disaster, Republicans have to hammer Dems on it. Georgia judge orders two separate trials for defendants in Trump case. Clay and Buck talk to Victor in Albuquerque, New Mexico, who is struggling to survive in the Biden economy. Pelosi says she didn't set impeachment precedent. C&B take calls on impeachment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. It's Thursday, everybody. Welcome to Clay and Buck.
We got a lot to talk to you about today
on the program, looking forward to it. First off, Nancy
Pelosi changing history or changing the rules, which one I
(00:20):
guess it actually could be both because it looks like
she changed the rules and she's trying to change history
about impeachments. We shall discuss that in a little bit.
Is Kamala ready for running the country. Pelosi was also
asked about that we've got a Trump Meghan Kelly interview
(00:42):
with some interesting exchanges specifically on COVID and vaccines, which
I think we will have some time for sure to
dive into here. And we've also got some of the
latest on where the polls stand, where the racist stand.
But I actually want to take step back for a second,
because you're often hearing and Clinton. I both read a
(01:06):
an editorial in the Wall Street Journal today about this
you'll hear about Biden comics, and essentially the argument that
is being made is since we aren't in a horrific
recession with mass layoffs and you know, a stock market
down thirty percent or more or something. Since it isn't
(01:27):
pure economic devastation out there, Biden has somehow done a
good job. That's that's a very charitable reading to put
it mildly of what's actually going on. So what this
piece looks at is based on Census data. Again, is
this from the Wall Street Journal. And here let me
let me give this quote to everybody. Biden's trying to
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avoid the real story, which is that the Census Bureau
says median household income adjusted for inflation, fell last year
by one thousand, seven and fifty dollars seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty. It is down three thousand, six
hundred and seventy dollars from twenty nineteen, and households in
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the fourth income quintile making between ninety four and one
hundred and fifty three thousand dollars lost forty six hundred
dollars in twenty twenty two and sixty seven one hundred
dollars since twenty nineteen. When you're looking at real household income,
people are on an annualized basis thousands of dollars poorer
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than they were before Biden was in charge. A huge
part of this play clearly is inflation, which is chewing
away at the wages of people who live on wages.
It's different than people who own a lot of assets
that can function as a You know, if you own
the properties right, you can raise the rents as inflation
goes up. But if you're wage dependent, people are getting
(02:57):
hurt by this. I think the only point that biden
can make at this phase, or the only way that
they can try to sell people on Bidenomics, is the
usual class warfare junk right, it's about the billionaires and
you know they're whatever, which that's just that just relies
on envy and economic illiteracy. The other option is to say, well,
(03:18):
I didn't steer us right into a depression, did I?
That's pretty much where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
This is this is where the crux of this lies
because people get confused when you say, oh, inflation, I
think was up three point nine percent over last year.
People don't experience inflation year over year three point seven, Yeah,
three point seven. They look at it in the context
of what's their actual buying power. And that's what I've
(03:45):
tried to keep hammering home. And I give credit to
the Wall Street Journal because I read this this morning,
and I said, okay, this really crystallizes it. If you
feel like you legitimately have less money in your pocket
than you did before Joe Biden became president, you're not
making that up.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Again.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The numbers here buck the average median income, So right,
median Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I
think the median is not the average. But if you
put like there's three hundred and thirty million Americans out there,
this is the absolute middle of Because you know Elon
Musk makes the trillion dollars or whatever else, the averages
can get skewed. This is what the real person in
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the dead center middle of the country. Median real income
household average was seventy eight thousand, two hundred and fifty
dollars in twenty nineteen, the last full year before COVID started.
All Right, you want to know what the impact of
the Trump economy was. You were having a lot more
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money in your pockets. Seventy eight thousand, two hundred and
fifty dollars, all.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Now in twenty twenty two, you have seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty Again the dead smack dab the
middle American out there all over the country, different regions geographically.
I understand seventy four thousand dollars in New York City
is different than seventy four thousand in Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, I mean we all know this, but.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's four thousand dollars, basically, buck in real dollars that
you had in your pocket. So if you're out there
and you're thinking to yourself, man, it feels like I
have less money. I'm working just as hard, and it
feels like I have less money to be able to
take care of my family. It's not your imagination. And
so when they try to come out and say Biden
(05:35):
on bags is working, everybody, everything is rolling here. No,
Joe Biden has been one of the worst guys on
the economy in any of our lives. And this is
the crux of the argument that I think Republicans need
to be making and Buck. I got a couple of
other data points here. Do you know what according to
the Quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday, you know what
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the approval rating is nationwide for Joe Biden on the
economy thirty five percent. I asked a question thirty five
I was gonna say thirty five, but I cut you off.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, you're gonna say thirty five, Now I was gonna
say thirty nine to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, So thirty five thirty five percent, that's lower.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
His overall approval.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rating is thirty nine percent. It ain't good, But he's
thirty five percent on the economy. And you hear all
these guys out there, the quote unquote elite media, They're like,
why aren't people giving Biden credit for the economic situation?
Do they not realize what an amazing job he's done
avoiding a recession. And the answer is they've got four
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thousand dollars less in their pocket than they did before
Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Here's also why I think this is going to be
a bigger problem for Democrats and not just Joe Biden.
This one goes beyond these macroeconomic sentiments have down ballot consequences.
It's more than just oh, the guy who's at the
top is responsible for all of this because of what
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the Democrats and the legislature have voted for the you know,
the Inflation Reduction Act, which has all this welfare basically
for you know, electric cars and solar panels and all
this other climate change nonsense. It's really a climate change
deal that they give away. Deal that they pretended was
an inflation reduction Notice, the Inflation Reduction Act Clay went
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in this summer and inflation still going up. Inflation has
not been completely tamed the way that they had promised
that would be, so clearly it failed. But that doesn't
surprise anybody. But I think that the longer we get
from the pandemic and the Trump presidency, and you saw
this with the Obama administration too. Remember the first two
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years Obama was in office, when he took over from Bush,
it was you know, the car was in the ditch
and we had to take the car out of the
ditch and it wasn't our fault. And to some degree
that works. That buys you some time, right. But now
we're going into year four of the Biden economy, and
I think anybody who is just looking at what it
has done on a dollars and cents basis for their
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lives recognizes this isn't this isn't an improvement, this isn't working. Yeah,
they didn't shut down all four years of sectors of
the economy. Am I supposed to be grateful for that,
you know, under a COVID mandate. This is insane. And
so I think that now the oh it's not our fault,
the guy before us messed it all up. That's not
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gonna fly. And these numbers are tough for them to grinding.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Inflation, high energy prices, high food prices in year four,
which is what we're heading into. That's tough to blame
on the guy before you. And also Buck, this is
important for everybody out there listening. It's important to understand
the arguments that they're trying to make that are not
rooted in reality. But what they will say is your
wages have gone up. And that's true because over time,
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wages do go up unless you're in a totally defunct economy.
But here's the problem, and this is what this number
gets to, the sense of, if your wages go up
two percent and inflation is eight percent, that's a real
loss of buying power for you, and people feel it.
But I don't know that they necessarily sit there and
(09:13):
look at the economic data, because what Biden's saying is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Your wages are up two percent this year.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, Well, to your point, if inflation's three point seven
percent in real dollars, you're actually losing money. In order
to make money, your income has in terms of increasing
your buying power, Your income has to exceed the rate
of inflation, right, And I feel like the Biden people
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are taking advantage of First of all, a lot of
people in media don't understand basic business, and I mean
are just economically illiterate. So they say, well, wages are
up two percent. I don't know why people are upset. Well,
they're upset because inflation is at three point seven percent.
So if I got a two percent increase in my salary,
I actually lost one point seven percent in my buying power.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And that's what this is the argument.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You need to be able to make that argument, because
this is why Biden's so underwater.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
People feel it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I don't know that Republicans buck are making the argument
of why they feel the way they do.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
People aren't dumb.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They know I keep using my Chick fil A example,
But when I'm going through the Chick fil A drive
through and I'm having to pay fifty dollars for you know,
a bunch of sandwiches for my kids, I'm like, I
can't believe that it costs this much. I know, everybody
who goes through the grocery store these days is like,
are you kidding me? I'm still buying the same stuff,
and now it's you know, twenty percent more.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You also look at if you're if you're let's take
that example, the median household income, which you could say
is by the numbers, you know, dead center middle class. Now,
just as an aside, you know, if you make seventy
thousand dollars in New York City, which I used to
make less than that, living in New York City, you're
not middle class for New York City. If you make
seventy thousand dollars living in Tulsa, you're you're kicking. But
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you got like three cars in the driveway in a
five thousand square foot house, right, So you know, the
cost of living is not taken into the median. So
if anyone who's like I don't feel middle class and
I make seven year, I have feel way better. Well,
where you live makes an enormous difference. You know, if
you make seventy thousand dollars in the San Francisco Bay Area,
you're living in your car. Okay, so very that's actually real.
By the way, there are Google engineers who make like
(11:21):
one hundred grand have you seen these articles? And they
sleep in their cars and so I'm not just making
that up. That's I talk.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I mean, by the way, you know this. But for
people who aren't from New York, like we have a
bunch of young outcack employees in their twenties, I cannot
believe what their rent in Manhattan is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Like my mind almost blows up at the idea, I mean,
the notion of savings and investments as a young person
in his twenties and thirties living in New York City
with no money except what he was making day to day.
It's very very challenging. True in some other major cities.
But okay, so you look at that that household that
seventy thousand dollars give or take a household income, and
you see what are the expenses? What are the costs
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that can really affect you and really put pressure on you?
Why are we seeing credit card defaultse clay as we
are dramatically escalating well, food and energy costs yes, you know,
heating and cooling your home, but also gasoline going way up,
have been way up and that adds up over time,
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and they've gone up far more than any increase in
wages when you take the inflationary inflationary aspect of the
wages and what you can buy with them into account.
So people that are making you know, we'll call on anywhere,
you know, fifty to seventy grand household income are really
getting the raw end of the deal here. It's not good.
(12:40):
And what's so interesting about it is that the Biden mantra, Clay,
as you know, is always over growing economy from middle
out folks, middle out, you know, not top down. Yeah,
you sit here and you go, you know, captain aviators
over there. When he knows where he is, Joe Biden,
he's what he's saying is the is the It's not
just that it's not true, Clay. It is the opposite
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of reality, which is that the people that are being
hurt the most. If you're on welfare, Democrats are actually
pretty good because they're expanding the welfare net for you.
And if you own a ton of assets, you know,
those asset prices can continue to go up even with inflations.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're doing fines if you're rich. If you're poor, Democrats
are great. If you're in the middle, they stink, and
that's where Joe Biden's vulnerable. And one hundred percent you're
right about all that. It also is so funny to
me because I read the New York Times editorial page
every day, so you don't have to. They keep on
the editorial page saying, I don't know why Americans aren't
giving Biden credit for the economy because the average, the
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dead middle average part of this country is getting hammered
by Joe Biden's second.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
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news are How many people who write for or work
in the New York Times newsroom have spent you know,
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to update you guys. This is somewhat of breaking news
has happened in the last hour. Georgia judge. This is
in the Atlanta Fulton County charges against Donald Trump, which
so far are still in a state court. A Georgia
judge there has ordered two separate trials. So two defendants
(15:18):
wanted really speedy trials. Those two defendants, we make sure
that I get their names right, cheesebro and Powell, Sidney Powell,
and I believe Kenneth Cheesebrough. Those two are going to
have a trial that is going to start in theory
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on October twenty third. Really, that is in a little
bit over a month from now. If you're wondering, hey,
what's going on there? Why did they choose that? Remember
their nineteen defendants in this case, These two defendants think
that they have a advantage to try and make the
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pro secution bring the case as rapidly as they possibly can.
They want a speedy trial, so they requested it. The
prosecutor tried to say, I want to try all nineteen
of these defendants on October twenty third. The judge now
has said no, we're not going to allow that. And Buck,
(16:20):
this just goes into the timing of twenty twenty four
and why we've talked a lot about this. How many
trials can happen, How do you slot them? How do
you schedule them? You can't have two criminal trials happening
at the same time because the defendant needs to be
present in the courtroom for the criminal trials. And now
(16:41):
it's quite clear that nothing is going to happen in
twenty three for Trump, and so that means that everything
now is slotted into this twenty four mix and correct
me if I'm wrong, Buck, But we've got March in
New York City right now, right with the sort of
bookkeeping error. Uh, we've got May in South Florida with
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the with that event. Those are the only two that
are scheduled right now.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And Mike or d C the DC. D C is.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Scheduled for March for March as well, but that's also
going to be a challenge because they've they've got the
New York City.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right So that's where we think that out in Bragg
is probably gonna say I'll let draw it. Is that
it actually, you know, Andy McCarthy credit to him for this.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Bragg gets to say,
I'm gonna let you know, any time a state or
local prosecutor steps aside to let the Feds come in,
it's kind of like the cavalry is arriving because you
you do not want to go against the Feds much
(17:40):
longer prison terms resources at their disposal. Uh, you know,
there's even differences and evidence allowance and things like that.
So he'll be able to step away and I think
hands hand it to d C. The FED case with
with Jack Smith and Judge Chuckkin presiding who by the way,
they've asked for her to recuse herself or be replaced.
That is not happened, just not going to step aside.
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sense of the rules of Congress when it comes to impeachment,
as in, she makes it up as she goes along.
(19:08):
Not a surprise. Nancy is really magnificently mendacious. I mean,
Nancy Pelosi is a skilled and truly sociopathic liar. We'll
get into that. And also her response when pushed a
little bit about the Kamala hair situation. I want to
we analyzed that yesterday, so I don't want to spend
too much time on it today. But there's a little
(19:29):
more on it, and you know, we'll get into why
that's significant. But first we got to call her Victor
in New Mexico, who's passionate about well bidnomics not working
for him. Victor, give us a sense what's going on.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I'm a Hispanic male, stayed in New Mexico, worked my
way up to from poverty in the middle class, and
I could tell you I can barely pay the bills,
and I'm actually starving out here, working and starving. I've
had a cucumber and a cup of coffee in the
last two days because I got to put fuel in
the vehicle, and I still need to go out there
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and work and pay the bills.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So Victor, you see very clearly and very personally the
increase in that gas gauge meter, the cost when you're
filling up and then when you're in the grocery store
trying to fill up the basket. That's made a real
difference to you, unfortunately, a negative difference to you.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yes, sir, no more groceries for me.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Okay, so milk, no juice, water, So question for you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Because New Mexico is a state that Joe Biden won
by ten points. We had Ryan Gerdusky on last week
talking about a lot of Hispanic voters moving away from
Joe Biden. When you are moving around in your life
in New Mexico, what do you hear about the idea
of Biden nomics?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I'm just kind of curious from people who may
not be particularly political, they feel what you are telling
us you feel, which is the dollar doesn't go as
far as it used to because everybody out there in
America has gotten an actual pay cut because of Joe
Biden's economic policies.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, sir, Here in the state of New Mexico, we
all definitely feel it. Your Democrats are in Albuquerque up
there with Grisham in that area, but all the other counties.
We are very aware of what's happening, and we are
very aware of what's happening to our pocket.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Bit well, Victor, thank you for listening to us, stay
in the fight. Better days ahead and hopefully a much
stronger economy is not far off here if the American
people wake up and do the right thing in this election.
Thank you Victor for calling in now. Clay, we had
mentioned the Pelosi situation here. We know there's an impeachment
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inquiry underway which is very likely to lead to an
impeachment vote. It's a super narrow congressional majority for Republicans,
so an impeachment vote that's fails would not be good,
but it also people wouldn't also be the end of
the world. We know he's not going to get removed
from office by the Senate, no chance of that. No
chance you get to sixty seven, no chance you can
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get to sixty But people want to see what the
truth is. I think that's the bigger thing here is
an impeachment inquiry will create a process for both forcing
the cuts. To your point all the time, Clay, about
how they have to talk about it. It creates forced
coverage of the Biden scandals, and beyond that, there's an
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effort to get more of the information about the Biden
crime family out there for the voters to see, which
is also important. But this is this is funny.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Pelosi says it is hogwash that she set the precedent
now where you don't need.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
To have a vote to open an impeachment inquiry. Play
One speaker McCarthy made the argument the other day that, well,
Nancy Pelosi set this precedent to wait it a long
time to have a vote on the first impeachment of
Donald Trump. You did hold a vote, we should add,
but he said you made the rules.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And he's just following them now by not holding this
initial vote for an impeachment inquiry.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I say that that's hogwash. I mean, it's ridiculous, and
I don't know why the press keeps repeating it. The
fact is we said we were going to I assign
my committee chair six of them to develop the facts,
because you have to act upon the facts. That's a
strange thing to say maybe around here, but got the
active on the fact. We had a couple of weeks
of doing that, a few weeks of doing that, in
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three or four weeks, we then prepared to bring the
bill to the floor.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
All right, Clay, here she is in October of twenty nineteen,
the same Nancy Pelosi from what we know. Here she is.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Play and the same with Sherman said, there's no requirement
that we have vote, and so at this time we
will not be having a vote. And I'm very pleased
with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being
supportive of the path that we are on, in terms
of fairness, in terms of making the truth, in terms
of upholding the Constitution of the United States.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, Clay, not only is she making it up about
what she used to say, is we know this is
common for Democrats. She's the one who really pushed for
Remember two impeachments of Trump. Impeachment is just effectively a
vote of parliamentary no confidence. Now it's just I don't
like you. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, it's
a censure moment.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And you can argue about whether or not you wanted
to see impeachment devalued in this way, but Democrats did
it by impeaching Trump. Twice, particularly for the Ukraine situation.
I mean, if anything, we should be honoring Trump for
asking the questions that he did about Ukraine that continue
to come out associated with Joe Biden. And in fact,
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the irony here, to the extent you want to point
out in irony is Trump got impeached for asking about
what Joe Biden did. Think about how crazy that is
the first impeachment over the Ukrainian phone call. They impeached
Donald Trump for asking about what Joe Biden did. I mean,
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that is remarkable on its face when you contemplate that
Trump was punished more significantly for asking about what Joe
Biden did than Joe Biden has been for what.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
He actually did. It's also worth reminding everybody that Biden
in that now infamous audio it's been around for years,
but where he says, you know, well, you know, son
of a goone, the prosecutor got fired. That whole thing.
I remember that Biden there was explicitly admitting to a
quid pro quo, as we know now, to fire a
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prosecutor who posed a threat to the company that was
paying his son eighty thousand dollars a month. I mean,
that's what actually happened. Trump was impeached for asking his counterpart.
Trump was president, he asked his counterpart Zelenski of Ukraine
to look into what was criminal conduct, and that was
the basis for an impeachment, not just an inquiry, an
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actual impeachment vote to be held. So you look at this,
you say which one is more egregious?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
No, And look, I think the ultimate impact of this
is the reason why impeachment needs to happen is buck.
I was actually impressed by this. I try to look
on the bright side, as a lot of you out
there listening. No, sixty one percent of people in the
CNN poll believe that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter
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Biden's business dealings sixty one percent, sixty four percent, I
believe of independence believe it forty two percent. Overall of
voters believe that Joe Biden has behaved in a criminal fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You and I made this point. I think it's important
everyone out there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Listening thinks that the January sixth political hearings or a
total sham and we didn't learn anything new, and that's true,
but they put them on primetime and they managed to
motivate and move a relatively small number of people to
be willing to vote based on democracy and danger. That's
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the truth. If Republicans hold these hearings, buck even if
there's nothing new developed, and I think there's likely to
still be some new evidence developed. But if they just
hold the hearings, forcing the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN,
and MSNBC to cover the hearings will put some of
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these allegations for the first time in front of those audiences.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Remember this is important fact.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Over half of Democrats still believe the Hunter Biden laptop
is Russian disinformation.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
A huge percentage of the American public doesn't know the
truth about the Hunter Biden lap. These hearings might cut
through some of those noise, and the numbers are already
starting to move in our direction. So from a political perspective,
I think it puts the truth, which is Biden's criminal, legitimate,
(28:18):
very strong evidentiary basis for him to be charged with
crimes and or investigated for crimes. It puts it in
front of an audience that still doesn't know any of
this is true.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I asked this question that does not have an answer,
but I think we should be thinking about how does
this cut this will cut through the media news cycle
under normal circumstances. How does this impeachment inquiry do in
an environment where there are four criminal trials looming of
the other guy. That's there's not an answer, but I
(28:52):
think it's something to keep in mind here that the expectation,
you know, you see, it's a great question. And my
thought on this, Buck is and this is where I
can keep coming back to to what I think the
race is. If it's Trump Biden, I think it's basically
most people who are persuadable are going to say a
pox on both their houses. If you're middle of the road.
(29:14):
Now again middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think you say Biden's corrupt, and I think you
say Trump's corrupt. You're just like you're done with politicians.
You just want to throw the whole lot of them out.
I think that benefits Trump and Buck. The reason why
I think that benefits Trump is Biden ran in twenty
twenty as I am pure as newfound Snow it's a
(29:37):
BS right. I have to be careful not to curse,
but it's BS. But enough people bought the idea I'll
just restore decency and decorum and sanctity and honor to
the White House, and now I think a lot of
people are saying, wait a minute, you are super dirty.
I think it takes that off the table, and then
it comes back to buck Biden's old versus Trump's criminal
(29:59):
try and I think Trump wins that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I also think that people remember that Joe Biden was
going on TV giving speeches with red lighting in the
background flanked by marines, where he was talking about how
if you don't get a shot, that doesn't stop the spread. Anyway,
you're a murderer and society should be afraid of you.
I hope people remember that anytime they think about whether
he's a Uniter's honestly the most outrageous and scariest speech
(30:27):
I have seen from a sitting president. I don't think
there's anything that really comes close. Well, let let's over
up the lines here. Eight hundred two eighty two to
two eight eight two thoughts on impeachment? Is it going
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Today, Clay and Buck twenty four to seven and subscribe
today rolling through the Thursday edition of the program Buck
we come back at the top of the next hour.
I want to build on a conversation that we had yesterday.
We got some interesting audio. We talked about sort of
people coming after Joe Biden in that Washington Post column.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Hey, he shouldn't run. But the Kamala thing.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I went back and I read it again yesterday after
our show, and the headline is all Joe Biden, But
I actually see it as more of an attack on
Kamala when you actually read and look at the text
as opposed to the headline.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know that excellent piece in Tablet magazine that we
both talked about the Obama factor, about who's really calling
the shots in this administration? Could you what I would
really want to see if I could just like request,
you know, put this out there as a tasking for
a real journalist, would be the behind the scenes conversations,
you know, it would be effectively the Kamala factor in
(32:52):
this the behind the scenes conversations about I know we
all have to say she's ready, she's ready, but speaking
as a Democrat there, right, is she really guys? Do
we think she not only can win, but could be
a president that wouldn't drag down the whole Democrat you know,
ticket party, the whole thing going forward. I think I
(33:15):
think the confidence levels in her are incredibly weak from
her own team, and.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think something for you to think about out there
at writ large. The argument for Kamala is what basically
that she's a black woman. The argument that Kamala has
tried to put forward is it's racist and sexist for
you to attack me. Actually, I'm doing a really really
(33:45):
good job, right, That's what Kamala has tried to put
out there. The reality is, I think people, no matter
what background you have, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight
male female, I think people overwhelmingly see her as doing
a really really poor job. And if that is true,
(34:05):
then she's starting to destroy the possibility of even being
able to play the identity politics defense.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, let's we'll get because I think there's a lot there.
We've got some audio from Pelosi that goes to it's
the top of the next hour. We'll dive in this
little more. Wanted to get a few of you to
weigh in here. Uh John from Illinois, John, what have
you got? Hey?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
How you doing today?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We're good.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You guys are doing a great job. You've got instead
of shoes to fill, So keep going.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Thank you. We're trying. We're trying. So what's on your
mom with impeachment?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
As the impeachment goes, I think you're right about the
fact that you know it's it'll go through the House
and they'll get the votes, but they won't get the
votes in the Senate. And it's going to be for
a couple of reasons. Number one, because the Democrats aren't
going to admit to any kind of defeat or wrongdoing.
And second of all, because Kamala Harris is an absolute bafoon.
(35:05):
To go along with the conversation you were just having,
the woman does absolutely nothing but talk gibberish and embarrass
us every time she opens her mouth in front of
a microphone. It's it's a horrifying event. Almost as bad
as Joe. Okay, I mean, John, they're a match, They're
a match made in heaven.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
John, Thank you, Thank you very much. Diana in Winter Gardens, Florida, Diane,
what have you got for us?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (35:30):
How's it done?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Guys were great?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Good, So I just wanted to say the guy who called,
who had a cucumber and a cup of coffee in
two days.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, Victor in albert b Yeah, Victor in Albuquerque, sorry
to cut you off. Tons of you have reached out
wanting to help out Victor in Albuquerque who called in,
But yes, you wanted to continue to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I just want to make sure people knew who she who.
He was.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Broke my heart and pissed me off like Joe By,
who can be impeached for so many reasons. Yet I
honestly don't think it's gonna happen, you know, And they're
gonna continue to attack Trump and I don't have a
lot of votes for the next couple of years.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks for calling in, Diana. I I we're gonna We're
gonna pull through. I actually think that it's not just
like we'll pull through as a country. But the more
I look at this, the more it feels like people
are understanding that there are very fundamental principles at stake
here with the effort to destroy Donald Trump that actually
(36:36):
go beyond Donald Trump. And I think they're gonna reject
this tyrannical distok you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Super positive for a change, Well, you know, you must
have had a good night's sleep, I did actually
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Govel it next
Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck
Sexton Show podcast. It's Thursday, everybody. Welcome to Clay and Buck.
We got a lot to talk to you about today
on the program, looking forward to it. First off, Nancy
Pelosi changing history or changing the rules, which one I
(00:20):
guess it actually could be both because it looks like
she changed the rules and she's trying to change history
about impeachments. We shall discuss that in a little bit.
Is Kamala ready for running the country. Pelosi was also
asked about that we've got a Trump Meghan Kelly interview
(00:42):
with some interesting exchanges specifically on COVID and vaccines, which
I think we will have some time for sure to
dive into here. And we've also got some of the
latest on where the polls stand, where the racist stand.
But I actually want to take step back for a second,
because you're often hearing and Clinton. I both read a
(01:06):
an editorial in the Wall Street Journal today about this
you'll hear about Biden comics, and essentially the argument that
is being made is since we aren't in a horrific
recession with mass layoffs and you know, a stock market
down thirty percent or more or something. Since it isn't
(01:27):
pure economic devastation out there, Biden has somehow done a
good job. That's that's a very charitable reading to put
it mildly of what's actually going on. So what this
piece looks at is based on Census data. Again, is
this from the Wall Street Journal. And here let me
let me give this quote to everybody. Biden's trying to
(01:49):
avoid the real story, which is that the Census Bureau
says median household income adjusted for inflation, fell last year
by one thousand, seven and fifty dollars seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty. It is down three thousand, six
hundred and seventy dollars from twenty nineteen, and households in
(02:10):
the fourth income quintile making between ninety four and one
hundred and fifty three thousand dollars lost forty six hundred
dollars in twenty twenty two and sixty seven one hundred
dollars since twenty nineteen. When you're looking at real household income,
people are on an annualized basis thousands of dollars poorer
(02:34):
than they were before Biden was in charge. A huge
part of this play clearly is inflation, which is chewing
away at the wages of people who live on wages.
It's different than people who own a lot of assets
that can function as a You know, if you own
the properties right, you can raise the rents as inflation
goes up. But if you're wage dependent, people are getting
(02:57):
hurt by this. I think the only point that biden
can make at this phase, or the only way that
they can try to sell people on Bidenomics, is the
usual class warfare junk right, it's about the billionaires and
you know they're whatever, which that's just that just relies
on envy and economic illiteracy. The other option is to say, well,
(03:18):
I didn't steer us right into a depression, did I?
That's pretty much where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
This is this is where the crux of this lies
because people get confused when you say, oh, inflation, I
think was up three point nine percent over last year.
People don't experience inflation year over year three point seven, Yeah,
three point seven. They look at it in the context
of what's their actual buying power. And that's what I've
(03:45):
tried to keep hammering home. And I give credit to
the Wall Street Journal because I read this this morning,
and I said, okay, this really crystallizes it. If you
feel like you legitimately have less money in your pocket
than you did before Joe Biden became president, you're not
making that up.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Again.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
The numbers here buck the average median income, So right,
median Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I
think the median is not the average. But if you
put like there's three hundred and thirty million Americans out there,
this is the absolute middle of Because you know Elon
Musk makes the trillion dollars or whatever else, the averages
can get skewed. This is what the real person in
(04:24):
the dead center middle of the country. Median real income
household average was seventy eight thousand, two hundred and fifty
dollars in twenty nineteen, the last full year before COVID started.
All Right, you want to know what the impact of
the Trump economy was. You were having a lot more
(04:45):
money in your pockets. Seventy eight thousand, two hundred and
fifty dollars, all.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Right, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Now in twenty twenty two, you have seventy four thousand,
five hundred and eighty Again the dead smack dab the
middle American out there all over the country, different regions geographically.
I understand seventy four thousand dollars in New York City
is different than seventy four thousand in Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, I mean we all know this, but.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's four thousand dollars, basically, buck in real dollars that
you had in your pocket. So if you're out there
and you're thinking to yourself, man, it feels like I
have less money. I'm working just as hard, and it
feels like I have less money to be able to
take care of my family. It's not your imagination. And
so when they try to come out and say Biden
(05:35):
on bags is working, everybody, everything is rolling here. No,
Joe Biden has been one of the worst guys on
the economy in any of our lives. And this is
the crux of the argument that I think Republicans need
to be making and Buck. I got a couple of
other data points here. Do you know what according to
the Quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday, you know what
(05:56):
the approval rating is nationwide for Joe Biden on the
economy thirty five percent. I asked a question thirty five
I was gonna say thirty five, but I cut you off.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, you're gonna say thirty five, Now I was gonna
say thirty nine to be honest with you.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, So thirty five thirty five percent, that's lower.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
His overall approval.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Rating is thirty nine percent. It ain't good, But he's
thirty five percent on the economy. And you hear all
these guys out there, the quote unquote elite media, They're like,
why aren't people giving Biden credit for the economic situation?
Do they not realize what an amazing job he's done
avoiding a recession. And the answer is they've got four
(06:37):
thousand dollars less in their pocket than they did before
Joe Biden became president.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Here's also why I think this is going to be
a bigger problem for Democrats and not just Joe Biden.
This one goes beyond these macroeconomic sentiments have down ballot consequences.
It's more than just oh, the guy who's at the
top is responsible for all of this because of what
(07:01):
the Democrats and the legislature have voted for the you know,
the Inflation Reduction Act, which has all this welfare basically
for you know, electric cars and solar panels and all
this other climate change nonsense. It's really a climate change
deal that they give away. Deal that they pretended was
an inflation reduction Notice, the Inflation Reduction Act Clay went
(07:22):
in this summer and inflation still going up. Inflation has
not been completely tamed the way that they had promised
that would be, so clearly it failed. But that doesn't
surprise anybody. But I think that the longer we get
from the pandemic and the Trump presidency, and you saw
this with the Obama administration too. Remember the first two
(07:43):
years Obama was in office, when he took over from Bush,
it was you know, the car was in the ditch
and we had to take the car out of the
ditch and it wasn't our fault. And to some degree
that works. That buys you some time, right. But now
we're going into year four of the Biden economy, and
I think anybody who is just looking at what it
has done on a dollars and cents basis for their
(08:04):
lives recognizes this isn't this isn't an improvement, this isn't working. Yeah,
they didn't shut down all four years of sectors of
the economy. Am I supposed to be grateful for that,
you know, under a COVID mandate. This is insane. And
so I think that now the oh it's not our fault,
the guy before us messed it all up. That's not
(08:25):
gonna fly. And these numbers are tough for them to grinding.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Inflation, high energy prices, high food prices in year four,
which is what we're heading into. That's tough to blame
on the guy before you. And also Buck, this is
important for everybody out there listening. It's important to understand
the arguments that they're trying to make that are not
rooted in reality. But what they will say is your
wages have gone up. And that's true because over time,
(08:53):
wages do go up unless you're in a totally defunct economy.
But here's the problem, and this is what this number
gets to, the sense of, if your wages go up
two percent and inflation is eight percent, that's a real
loss of buying power for you, and people feel it.
But I don't know that they necessarily sit there and
(09:13):
look at the economic data, because what Biden's saying is,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Your wages are up two percent this year.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, Well, to your point, if inflation's three point seven
percent in real dollars, you're actually losing money. In order
to make money, your income has in terms of increasing
your buying power, Your income has to exceed the rate
of inflation, right, And I feel like the Biden people
(09:42):
are taking advantage of First of all, a lot of
people in media don't understand basic business, and I mean
are just economically illiterate. So they say, well, wages are
up two percent. I don't know why people are upset. Well,
they're upset because inflation is at three point seven percent.
So if I got a two percent increase in my salary,
I actually lost one point seven percent in my buying power.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And that's what this is the argument.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You need to be able to make that argument, because
this is why Biden's so underwater.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
People feel it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I don't know that Republicans buck are making the argument
of why they feel the way they do.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
People aren't dumb.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They know I keep using my Chick fil A example,
But when I'm going through the Chick fil A drive
through and I'm having to pay fifty dollars for you know,
a bunch of sandwiches for my kids, I'm like, I
can't believe that it costs this much. I know, everybody
who goes through the grocery store these days is like,
are you kidding me? I'm still buying the same stuff,
and now it's you know, twenty percent more.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You also look at if you're if you're let's take
that example, the median household income, which you could say
is by the numbers, you know, dead center middle class. Now,
just as an aside, you know, if you make seventy
thousand dollars in New York City, which I used to
make less than that, living in New York City, you're
not middle class for New York City. If you make
seventy thousand dollars living in Tulsa, you're you're kicking. But
(11:00):
you got like three cars in the driveway in a
five thousand square foot house, right, So you know, the
cost of living is not taken into the median. So
if anyone who's like I don't feel middle class and
I make seven year, I have feel way better. Well,
where you live makes an enormous difference. You know, if
you make seventy thousand dollars in the San Francisco Bay Area,
you're living in your car. Okay, so very that's actually real.
By the way, there are Google engineers who make like
(11:21):
one hundred grand have you seen these articles? And they
sleep in their cars and so I'm not just making
that up. That's I talk.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I mean, by the way, you know this. But for
people who aren't from New York, like we have a
bunch of young outcack employees in their twenties, I cannot
believe what their rent in Manhattan is.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Like my mind almost blows up at the idea, I mean,
the notion of savings and investments as a young person
in his twenties and thirties living in New York City
with no money except what he was making day to day.
It's very very challenging. True in some other major cities.
But okay, so you look at that that household that
seventy thousand dollars give or take a household income, and
you see what are the expenses? What are the costs
(11:59):
that can really affect you and really put pressure on you?
Why are we seeing credit card defaultse clay as we
are dramatically escalating well, food and energy costs yes, you know,
heating and cooling your home, but also gasoline going way up,
have been way up and that adds up over time,
(12:19):
and they've gone up far more than any increase in
wages when you take the inflationary inflationary aspect of the
wages and what you can buy with them into account.
So people that are making you know, we'll call on anywhere,
you know, fifty to seventy grand household income are really
getting the raw end of the deal here. It's not good.
(12:40):
And what's so interesting about it is that the Biden mantra, Clay,
as you know, is always over growing economy from middle
out folks, middle out, you know, not top down. Yeah,
you sit here and you go, you know, captain aviators
over there. When he knows where he is, Joe Biden,
he's what he's saying is the is the It's not
just that it's not true, Clay. It is the opposite
(13:01):
of reality, which is that the people that are being
hurt the most. If you're on welfare, Democrats are actually
pretty good because they're expanding the welfare net for you.
And if you own a ton of assets, you know,
those asset prices can continue to go up even with inflations.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You're doing fines if you're rich. If you're poor, Democrats
are great. If you're in the middle, they stink, and
that's where Joe Biden's vulnerable. And one hundred percent you're
right about all that. It also is so funny to
me because I read the New York Times editorial page
every day, so you don't have to. They keep on
the editorial page saying, I don't know why Americans aren't
giving Biden credit for the economy because the average, the
(13:39):
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by Joe Biden's second.
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Truth Seeking, reality telling The Clay Travis and buck Sexton Show.
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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I wanted
to update you guys. This is somewhat of breaking news
has happened in the last hour. Georgia judge. This is
in the Atlanta Fulton County charges against Donald Trump, which
so far are still in a state court. A Georgia
judge there has ordered two separate trials. So two defendants
(15:18):
wanted really speedy trials. Those two defendants, we make sure
that I get their names right, cheesebro and Powell, Sidney Powell,
and I believe Kenneth Cheesebrough. Those two are going to
have a trial that is going to start in theory
(15:39):
on October twenty third. Really, that is in a little
bit over a month from now. If you're wondering, hey,
what's going on there? Why did they choose that? Remember
their nineteen defendants in this case, These two defendants think
that they have a advantage to try and make the
(15:59):
pro secution bring the case as rapidly as they possibly can.
They want a speedy trial, so they requested it. The
prosecutor tried to say, I want to try all nineteen
of these defendants on October twenty third. The judge now
has said no, we're not going to allow that. And Buck,
(16:20):
this just goes into the timing of twenty twenty four
and why we've talked a lot about this. How many
trials can happen, How do you slot them? How do
you schedule them? You can't have two criminal trials happening
at the same time because the defendant needs to be
present in the courtroom for the criminal trials. And now
(16:41):
it's quite clear that nothing is going to happen in
twenty three for Trump, and so that means that everything
now is slotted into this twenty four mix and correct
me if I'm wrong, Buck, But we've got March in
New York City right now, right with the sort of
bookkeeping error. Uh, we've got May in South Florida with
(17:04):
the with that event. Those are the only two that
are scheduled right now.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
And Mike or d C the DC. D C is.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Scheduled for March for March as well, but that's also
going to be a challenge because they've they've got the
New York City.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right So that's where we think that out in Bragg
is probably gonna say I'll let draw it. Is that
it actually, you know, Andy McCarthy credit to him for this.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Bragg gets to say,
I'm gonna let you know, any time a state or
local prosecutor steps aside to let the Feds come in,
it's kind of like the cavalry is arriving because you
you do not want to go against the Feds much
(17:40):
longer prison terms resources at their disposal. Uh, you know,
there's even differences and evidence allowance and things like that.
So he'll be able to step away and I think
hands hand it to d C. The FED case with
with Jack Smith and Judge Chuckkin presiding who by the way,
they've asked for her to recuse herself or be replaced.
That is not happened, just not going to step aside.
(18:04):
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Not a surprise. Nancy is really magnificently mendacious. I mean,
Nancy Pelosi is a skilled and truly sociopathic liar. We'll
get into that. And also her response when pushed a
little bit about the Kamala hair situation. I want to
we analyzed that yesterday, so I don't want to spend
too much time on it today. But there's a little
(19:29):
more on it, and you know, we'll get into why
that's significant. But first we got to call her Victor
in New Mexico, who's passionate about well bidnomics not working
for him. Victor, give us a sense what's going on.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
All right.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
I'm a Hispanic male, stayed in New Mexico, worked my
way up to from poverty in the middle class, and
I could tell you I can barely pay the bills,
and I'm actually starving out here, working and starving. I've
had a cucumber and a cup of coffee in the
last two days because I got to put fuel in
the vehicle, and I still need to go out there
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and work and pay the bills.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So Victor, you see very clearly and very personally the
increase in that gas gauge meter, the cost when you're
filling up and then when you're in the grocery store
trying to fill up the basket. That's made a real
difference to you, unfortunately, a negative difference to you.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yes, sir, no more groceries for me.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Okay, so milk, no juice, water, So question for you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Because New Mexico is a state that Joe Biden won
by ten points. We had Ryan Gerdusky on last week
talking about a lot of Hispanic voters moving away from
Joe Biden. When you are moving around in your life
in New Mexico, what do you hear about the idea
of Biden nomics?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
What do you hear?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I'm just kind of curious from people who may
not be particularly political, they feel what you are telling
us you feel, which is the dollar doesn't go as
far as it used to because everybody out there in
America has gotten an actual pay cut because of Joe
Biden's economic policies.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yes, sir, Here in the state of New Mexico, we
all definitely feel it. Your Democrats are in Albuquerque up
there with Grisham in that area, but all the other counties.
We are very aware of what's happening, and we are
very aware of what's happening to our pocket.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Bit well, Victor, thank you for listening to us, stay
in the fight. Better days ahead and hopefully a much
stronger economy is not far off here if the American
people wake up and do the right thing in this election.
Thank you Victor for calling in now. Clay, we had
mentioned the Pelosi situation here. We know there's an impeachment
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inquiry underway which is very likely to lead to an
impeachment vote. It's a super narrow congressional majority for Republicans,
so an impeachment vote that's fails would not be good,
but it also people wouldn't also be the end of
the world. We know he's not going to get removed
from office by the Senate, no chance of that. No
chance you get to sixty seven, no chance you can
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get to sixty But people want to see what the
truth is. I think that's the bigger thing here is
an impeachment inquiry will create a process for both forcing
the cuts. To your point all the time, Clay, about
how they have to talk about it. It creates forced
coverage of the Biden scandals, and beyond that, there's an
(22:30):
effort to get more of the information about the Biden
crime family out there for the voters to see, which
is also important. But this is this is funny.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Pelosi says it is hogwash that she set the precedent
now where you don't need.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
To have a vote to open an impeachment inquiry. Play
One speaker McCarthy made the argument the other day that, well,
Nancy Pelosi set this precedent to wait it a long
time to have a vote on the first impeachment of
Donald Trump. You did hold a vote, we should add,
but he said you made the rules.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And he's just following them now by not holding this
initial vote for an impeachment inquiry.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
What do you say to that.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
I say that that's hogwash. I mean, it's ridiculous, and
I don't know why the press keeps repeating it. The
fact is we said we were going to I assign
my committee chair six of them to develop the facts,
because you have to act upon the facts. That's a
strange thing to say maybe around here, but got the
active on the fact. We had a couple of weeks
of doing that, a few weeks of doing that, in
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three or four weeks, we then prepared to bring the
bill to the floor.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
All right, Clay, here she is in October of twenty nineteen,
the same Nancy Pelosi from what we know. Here she is.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Play and the same with Sherman said, there's no requirement
that we have vote, and so at this time we
will not be having a vote. And I'm very pleased
with the thoughtfulness of our caucus in terms of being
supportive of the path that we are on, in terms
of fairness, in terms of making the truth, in terms
of upholding the Constitution of the United States.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, Clay, not only is she making it up about
what she used to say, is we know this is
common for Democrats. She's the one who really pushed for
Remember two impeachments of Trump. Impeachment is just effectively a
vote of parliamentary no confidence. Now it's just I don't
like you. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, it's
a censure moment.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And you can argue about whether or not you wanted
to see impeachment devalued in this way, but Democrats did
it by impeaching Trump. Twice, particularly for the Ukraine situation.
I mean, if anything, we should be honoring Trump for
asking the questions that he did about Ukraine that continue
to come out associated with Joe Biden. And in fact,
(24:48):
the irony here, to the extent you want to point
out in irony is Trump got impeached for asking about
what Joe Biden did. Think about how crazy that is
the first impeachment over the Ukrainian phone call. They impeached
Donald Trump for asking about what Joe Biden did. I mean,
(25:10):
that is remarkable on its face when you contemplate that
Trump was punished more significantly for asking about what Joe
Biden did than Joe Biden has been for what.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
He actually did. It's also worth reminding everybody that Biden
in that now infamous audio it's been around for years,
but where he says, you know, well, you know, son
of a goone, the prosecutor got fired. That whole thing.
I remember that Biden there was explicitly admitting to a
quid pro quo, as we know now, to fire a
(25:45):
prosecutor who posed a threat to the company that was
paying his son eighty thousand dollars a month. I mean,
that's what actually happened. Trump was impeached for asking his counterpart.
Trump was president, he asked his counterpart Zelenski of Ukraine
to look into what was criminal conduct, and that was
the basis for an impeachment, not just an inquiry, an
(26:07):
actual impeachment vote to be held. So you look at this,
you say which one is more egregious?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
No, And look, I think the ultimate impact of this
is the reason why impeachment needs to happen is buck.
I was actually impressed by this. I try to look
on the bright side, as a lot of you out
there listening. No, sixty one percent of people in the
CNN poll believe that Joe Biden was involved in Hunter
(26:36):
Biden's business dealings sixty one percent, sixty four percent, I
believe of independence believe it forty two percent. Overall of
voters believe that Joe Biden has behaved in a criminal fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You and I made this point. I think it's important
everyone out there.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Listening thinks that the January sixth political hearings or a
total sham and we didn't learn anything new, and that's true,
but they put them on primetime and they managed to
motivate and move a relatively small number of people to
be willing to vote based on democracy and danger. That's
(27:15):
the truth. If Republicans hold these hearings, buck even if
there's nothing new developed, and I think there's likely to
still be some new evidence developed. But if they just
hold the hearings, forcing the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN,
and MSNBC to cover the hearings will put some of
(27:38):
these allegations for the first time in front of those audiences.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Remember this is important fact.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Over half of Democrats still believe the Hunter Biden laptop
is Russian disinformation.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Think about that for a minute.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
A huge percentage of the American public doesn't know the
truth about the Hunter Biden lap. These hearings might cut
through some of those noise, and the numbers are already
starting to move in our direction. So from a political perspective,
I think it puts the truth, which is Biden's criminal, legitimate,
(28:18):
very strong evidentiary basis for him to be charged with
crimes and or investigated for crimes. It puts it in
front of an audience that still doesn't know any of
this is true.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I asked this question that does not have an answer,
but I think we should be thinking about how does
this cut this will cut through the media news cycle
under normal circumstances. How does this impeachment inquiry do in
an environment where there are four criminal trials looming of
the other guy. That's there's not an answer, but I
(28:52):
think it's something to keep in mind here that the expectation,
you know, you see, it's a great question. And my
thought on this, Buck is and this is where I
can keep coming back to to what I think the
race is. If it's Trump Biden, I think it's basically
most people who are persuadable are going to say a
pox on both their houses. If you're middle of the road.
(29:14):
Now again middle of the road.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I think you say Biden's corrupt, and I think you
say Trump's corrupt. You're just like you're done with politicians.
You just want to throw the whole lot of them out.
I think that benefits Trump and Buck. The reason why
I think that benefits Trump is Biden ran in twenty
twenty as I am pure as newfound Snow it's a
(29:37):
BS right. I have to be careful not to curse,
but it's BS. But enough people bought the idea I'll
just restore decency and decorum and sanctity and honor to
the White House, and now I think a lot of
people are saying, wait a minute, you are super dirty.
I think it takes that off the table, and then
it comes back to buck Biden's old versus Trump's criminal
(29:59):
try and I think Trump wins that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I also think that people remember that Joe Biden was
going on TV giving speeches with red lighting in the
background flanked by marines, where he was talking about how
if you don't get a shot, that doesn't stop the spread. Anyway,
you're a murderer and society should be afraid of you.
I hope people remember that anytime they think about whether
he's a Uniter's honestly the most outrageous and scariest speech
(30:27):
I have seen from a sitting president. I don't think
there's anything that really comes close. Well, let let's over
up the lines here. Eight hundred two eighty two to
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we come back at the top of the next hour.
I want to build on a conversation that we had yesterday.
We got some interesting audio. We talked about sort of
people coming after Joe Biden in that Washington Post column.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Hey, he shouldn't run. But the Kamala thing.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I went back and I read it again yesterday after
our show, and the headline is all Joe Biden, But
I actually see it as more of an attack on
Kamala when you actually read and look at the text
as opposed to the headline.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
You know that excellent piece in Tablet magazine that we
both talked about the Obama factor, about who's really calling
the shots in this administration? Could you what I would
really want to see if I could just like request,
you know, put this out there as a tasking for
a real journalist, would be the behind the scenes conversations,
you know, it would be effectively the Kamala factor in
(32:52):
this the behind the scenes conversations about I know we
all have to say she's ready, she's ready, but speaking
as a Democrat there, right, is she really guys? Do
we think she not only can win, but could be
a president that wouldn't drag down the whole Democrat you know,
ticket party, the whole thing going forward. I think I
(33:15):
think the confidence levels in her are incredibly weak from
her own team, and.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think something for you to think about out there
at writ large. The argument for Kamala is what basically
that she's a black woman. The argument that Kamala has
tried to put forward is it's racist and sexist for
you to attack me. Actually, I'm doing a really really
(33:45):
good job, right, That's what Kamala has tried to put
out there. The reality is, I think people, no matter
what background you have, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight
male female, I think people overwhelmingly see her as doing
a really really poor job. And if that is true,
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then she's starting to destroy the possibility of even being
able to play the identity politics defense.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, let's we'll get because I think there's a lot there.
We've got some audio from Pelosi that goes to it's
the top of the next hour. We'll dive in this
little more. Wanted to get a few of you to
weigh in here. Uh John from Illinois, John, what have
you got? Hey?
Speaker 4 (34:27):
How you doing today?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We're good.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
You guys are doing a great job. You've got instead
of shoes to fill, So keep going.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Thank you. We're trying. We're trying. So what's on your
mom with impeachment?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
As the impeachment goes, I think you're right about the
fact that you know it's it'll go through the House
and they'll get the votes, but they won't get the
votes in the Senate. And it's going to be for
a couple of reasons. Number one, because the Democrats aren't
going to admit to any kind of defeat or wrongdoing.
And second of all, because Kamala Harris is an absolute bafoon.
(35:05):
To go along with the conversation you were just having,
the woman does absolutely nothing but talk gibberish and embarrass
us every time she opens her mouth in front of
a microphone. It's it's a horrifying event. Almost as bad
as Joe. Okay, I mean, John, they're a match, They're
a match made in heaven.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
John, Thank you, Thank you very much. Diana in Winter Gardens, Florida, Diane,
what have you got for us?
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (35:30):
How's it done?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Guys were great?
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Good, So I just wanted to say the guy who called,
who had a cucumber and a cup of coffee in
two days.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, Victor in albert b Yeah, Victor in Albuquerque, sorry
to cut you off. Tons of you have reached out
wanting to help out Victor in Albuquerque who called in,
But yes, you wanted to continue to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I just want to make sure people knew who she who.
He was.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Broke my heart and pissed me off like Joe By,
who can be impeached for so many reasons. Yet I
honestly don't think it's gonna happen, you know, And they're
gonna continue to attack Trump and I don't have a
lot of votes for the next couple of years.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks for calling in, Diana. I I we're gonna We're
gonna pull through. I actually think that it's not just
like we'll pull through as a country. But the more
I look at this, the more it feels like people
are understanding that there are very fundamental principles at stake
here with the effort to destroy Donald Trump that actually
(36:36):
go beyond Donald Trump. And I think they're gonna reject
this tyrannical distok you.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Super positive for a change, Well, you know, you must
have had a good night's sleep, I did actually
Speaker 1 (36:52):
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